GOP: Massive campaign donations should be secret
“WASHINGTON — During their long campaign to loosen rules on campaign money, conservatives argued that there was a simpler way to prevent corruption: transparency. Get rid of limits on contributions and spending, they said, but make sure voters know where the money is coming from.
Today, with those fundraising restrictions largely removed, many conservatives have changed their tune. They now say disclosure could be an enemy of free speech.
High-profile donors could face bullying and harassment from liberals out to “muzzle” their opponents, Sen. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said in a recent speech.
Corporations could be subject to boycotts and pickets, warned the Wall Street Journal editorial page this spring.
Democrats “want to intimidate people into not giving to these conservative efforts,” said Republican strategist Karl Rove on Fox News. “I think it’s shameful.”
The Times’ story goes on to document a wide-ranging effort by conservative groups to undermine, dismantle and evade laws intended to force disclosure of who is giving how much money to who. They are also aggressively abusing a loophole in regulations that allow nonprofit groups to collect hundreds of millions of dollars in anonymous donations — under the guise that they are social-welfare organizations — and use that anonymous money to buy campaign ads.
The Federal Election Commission, which has the legal authority and even obligation to intervene, has been rendered incapable of doing so. In an all-too-familiar pattern, the commission’s three Republican members are blocking its three Democratic members from taking action to force disclosure that the law clearly requires. (See Van Hollen v. FEC).
As a result, it is becoming increasingly difficult for the public and the media to “follow the money,” the traditional means to trace how big money in the political system produces favorable outcomes for those doing the giving.
The excuse for such secrecy is that large donors fear a backlash should their involvement become public. Poor little sensitive dears.
What do they think happens when John Q. Public writes a letter to the editor of the local newspaper, puts a campaign sign in his front yard or a bumper sticker on his car?
Why should they be exempt from disclosing contributions measured in the millions of dollars, while Jane Q. Public’s little $500 contribution to a candidate ends up in a FEC database accessible to her employer, her family and friends and everyone else with an Internet connection?
As one prominent jurist noted back in 2010:
“Requiring people to stand up in public for their political acts fosters civic courage, without which democracy is doomed. For my part, I do not look forward to a society which, thanks to the Supreme Court, campaigns anonymously and even exercises the direct democracy of initiative and referendum hidden from public scrutiny and protected from the accountability of criticism.”
Of course, given that the jurist in question was Justice Antonin Scalia, he may be singing a different tune now, given the partisan turn this issue has taken.
– Jay Bookman
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Jefferson
June 27th, 2012
11:49 am
What if gas was $3.91 instead of the $2.91 I paid this morning ?
Jefferson
June 27th, 2012
11:49 am
What if gas was $3.91 instead of the $2.91 I paid this morning ?
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
11:49 am
But I do recall several of our regulars getting all bent out of shape about that previous bus incident, as if kids picking on other kids on the bus was some new phenomenon unique to the Obama era.
Jay
You have to remember that they had just come down from the trees, so they may not have known any better back then in 2009.
Jay
June 27th, 2012
11:50 am
From the Limbaugh diatribe on the 2009 incident:
“Hey, look, folks, the white kid on that bus in Belleville, Illinois, he deserved to be beat up. You don’t know about this story? Oh, there’s video of this. The school bus filled with mostly black students beat up a white student a couple of times with all the black students cheering. Of course the white student on the bus deserved the beating. He was born a racist. That’s what Newsweek magazine told us in its most recent cover. It’s Obama’s America, is it not? Obama’s America, white kids getting beat up on school buses now. You put your kids on a school bus, you expect safety but in Obama’s America the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering, “Yay, right on, right on, right on, right on,” and, of course, everybody says the white kid deserved it, he was born a racist, he’s white. Newsweek magazine told us this.”
So go ahead, Ty. Make your case as to why my statement was unreasonable.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
11:50 am
What if gas was $3.91 instead of the $2.91 I paid this morning ?
What if Superman were a Nazi?
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/78/78jwhatif.phtml
josef
June 27th, 2012
11:51 am
I find it highly interesting that those who are calling the GOP and conservatives all types of bigots are often the ones who have no qualms at all about throwing out the most scurrilous of anti-Mormon comments, trailer trash, redneck, cracker, etc. I’m not trying to give the right a free pass, but at the same time, we might want to cast the mote from our own eye…
yuzeyurbrane
June 27th, 2012
11:51 am
Democracy is fast on the road to being dead in America. Thank you Justice Mussolini.
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
11:52 am
josef
You’re a bigot!!
j/k
USMC
June 27th, 2012
11:52 am
“Said the pot to the kettle.”
adam, I actually ATTENDED Jay’s Leftwing political lecture (2 years in a row now) and listened to a differing point of view….
When was the last time time you sat through a Conservative lecture and listened to a differing point of view??? you aren’t sounding very “diverse” anymore , Adam.
That’s what I thought, sport.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 27th, 2012
11:53 am
josef — ” I’m not trying to give the right a free pass, but at the same time, we might want to cast the mote from our own eye…”
And I might be inclined to listen to what you’re saying if you weren’t so quick to presume ill will on others’ part yourself from time to time.
Jay
June 27th, 2012
11:53 am
Agreed, Josef.
The “magic underwear” thing is a cheap attack on someone’s religion. I thought about banning the phrase, but then I’d also have to censor all the posts about Obama as a Muslim and the Rev. Wright, etc.
josef
June 27th, 2012
11:53 am
BROSEPHUS
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
June 27th, 2012
11:53 am
Well, I say keep the campaign donations secret. The reason is because people don’t want you to know who they voted for, so why should they let you know who they gave money to? Besides, if I give money to canadate that’s against Those People and the Gays and the hippies and the bums that won’t work, I don’t want to come home to the trailer to find the so-called Rev. Jesse Jackson or Al Sharptongue leading a mob of people to protest me.
I say let’s treat political offices kinda like blind auctions. You’ll get to know who bought a office after it’s been sold. Now I got to admit I might feel different if it was the librul Democrats that all those rich people were giving money to. But it ain’t, so I don’t.
Have a good Hump Day everybody.
USMC
June 27th, 2012
11:54 am
“Democracy is fast on the road to being dead in America. Thank you Comrade Obama.–yuzbeurban
There, you owe me one.
Jefferson
June 27th, 2012
11:55 am
I wish someone would give me a ben to vote for someone of their choice…I’d take their ben.
ty webb
June 27th, 2012
11:55 am
Jay,
Regarding media “race baiting”, it seems you’ve morphed into something you may abhor.
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/03/21/trayvon-martin-guilty-of-being-17-and-black/
oh, and this was written before all the facts of this case have been put out…many of which still haven’t come out.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 27th, 2012
11:56 am
“are often the ones who have no qualms at all about throwing out the most scurrilous of anti-Mormon comments”
hey, the only things that I have a problem with are: 1) the fact that they “converted” Jews after death and gave them a Mormon burial – that’s just so wrong on so many levels … and 2) the modern-day LDS doesn’t see blacks as equal (evidently, they can’t be ordained)
but trailer trash, etc – that’s just silly
getalife
June 27th, 2012
11:56 am
I would be a bigot against planet kolob if I could find it.
Jay
June 27th, 2012
11:56 am
And here’s Jon Stewart’s rebuttal to Drudge on that bus-fight incident:
http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/09/16/video-jon-stewart-drudge-reports-coverage-of-white-boy-beaten-on-school-bus-story-race-baiting/
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
11:57 am
Jay
I wouldn’t ban that phrase or any of the other stuff. All it does is reveal the small-minded individuals here for who they truly are.
“Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”
– Thomas Jefferson as recounted by Eleanor Roosevelt
josef
June 27th, 2012
11:57 am
JOE
You’re not speaking to me, remember?
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Is anybody else getting the posting too fast fatwah?
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IMAM
Agreed with that. It does give an insight into the mindset, though, and is a valuable tool for evaluating the merit of the comment…
Adam
June 27th, 2012
11:58 am
USMC: When was the last time time you sat through a Conservative lecture and listened to a differing point of view???
As in attended one? Or sat through the video? Because I don’t go TO lectures very often, unless it’s about a scientific topic. But I HAVE sat through many live video feeds of conservatives having their say.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 27th, 2012
11:59 am
Josef — “You’re not speaking to me, remember?”
I need no reminder from you.
The fact that you seem to find it funny simply demonstrates what a good idea it was in the first place.
btull27
June 27th, 2012
12:01 pm
Again, Ty, if you think I’m not being reasonable in that assertion, explain why. Take a look at the Rush clip, and then tell me that he and others wouldn’t have seized this situation in exactly the same fashion. — Jay
So, you consider yourself to be like Rush? Nice comparison.
Jay
June 27th, 2012
12:01 pm
Are you attempting to change the topic, Ty?
Again, if you think I’m wrong about the bus-monitor story, even in light of what Drudge and Rush have done in the past, make that argument. You have yet to try.
As to my Trayvon piece, I stand by it fully. Zimmerman followed Trayvon out of suspicion about a black kid, and the case was initially handled far differently than it would have been had Trayvon been the one with the gun and Zimmerman the one lying there dead. All of that remains true.
At this point, if the system decides that Zimmerman should go free, I would have no problem with that. Justice will have been done, the case will have had a full investigation. That’s all I was interested in from the beginning.
Jay
June 27th, 2012
12:02 pm
Btull, you misinterpreted that post.
Perhaps I could have made it clearer by writing “… and then tell me that he and others wouldn’t have seized this situation in exactly the same fashion that they seized upon the bus-fight case.”.
josef
June 27th, 2012
12:02 pm
USinUK
Those are matters of theology and if you want to discuss that, fine, just don’t go throwing it around for no good reason just because you don’t like the candidate…and BTW Blacks have been ordained since 1978…Mormonism is an evolutionary sect…the thing on Jews has been repudiated by the Church hierachy.
And, no, the trailer trash thing is not just plain silly…it’s just “acceptable” like that one so many like to throw around “off the reservation.”
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
12:02 pm
Geez, not Zimmerman again…
Peadawg
June 27th, 2012
12:03 pm
“What if gas was $3.91 instead of the $2.91 I paid this morning ?
What if my aunt had a d*k? She’d be my uncle.
“if the system decides that Zimmerman should go free”
Zimmerman will probably go free on a murder charge. Involuntary manslaughter or something though, he’d be convicted.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 27th, 2012
12:04 pm
josef – I don’t think it has anything to do with Mittens … just my issues with Mormonism
(if you’d like my issues with SoBap or Catholicism, I’m happy to list those, too)
USMC
June 27th, 2012
12:04 pm
“oh, and this was written before all the facts of this case have been put out…many of which still haven’t come out.”–Ty
Great point Ty. Jay doesn’t care about FACTS, though. He obviously spent a little time in Europe during his formidable years as a spoiled college kid and adopted the Hate/Blame America First and Socialist political faux-philosophy.
He is an intellectually dishonest partisan whose only goal is to spout the Party line of Racism/Affirmative Action, social justice, Open borders, and government handouts, change America etc..
Jay might romanticize about the idea of diversity, but he doesn’t come across as someone with a diverse group of peers/acquantances or experience in the real world. And it is painfully obvious.
godless heathen
June 27th, 2012
12:05 pm
Tax: “In other words, you got nothing. I understand.”
Well what do you want? A link to USEPA Risk Reduction Standards for the “toxic” chemicals listed in your link? Do you want Type I, Type II, or Type III standards? Do you want a link to a basic text on hydrogeology? Do you want a link to the test data for a lot of water samples that don’t show any contamination? Do you need a link to a site where you can purchase software to do your own contaminant fate and transport modeling for VOCs in heterogenous confined and semi-confined aquifers? Or do you just read pseudo-scientific alarmist clap-trap like you get from Earthworks?
Adam
June 27th, 2012
12:05 pm
And, no, the trailer trash thing is not just plain silly…it’s just “acceptable” like that one so many like to throw around “off the reservation.”
Thank goodness someone mentioned that. I HATE that phrase.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
12:05 pm
The cons will turn on legalized corruption when Soros buys an election.
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
12:07 pm
Zimmerman will probably go free on a murder charge.
I wouldn’t speak so fast on that. He’s likely to get hung by his own words. Discovery is allowing some details to come out, and his story of how things went down contradicts the physical evidence found by police. He’s got a fight on his hands to prove he’s not guilty.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
12:07 pm
You should read the drudge link comments on Rangel’s victory.
Nothing but racist con comments.
josef
June 27th, 2012
12:07 pm
IMAM
G-d! I love Jon Stewart!
Adam
June 27th, 2012
12:07 pm
USMC: He obviously spent a little time in Europe during his formidable years as a spoiled college kid and adopted the Hate/Blame America First and Socialist political faux-philosophy.
He is an intellectually dishonest partisan whose only goal is to spout the Party line of Racism/Affirmative Action, social justice, Open borders, and government handouts, change America etc..
See, this is why I think you live in a bubble dude. You’re just a heckler. Who cares if you attend and sit through lectures of people you disagree with if your basis for disagreement is made up bullsh*t?
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
12:08 pm
Josef, UnU – many months ago Paul (surprise, surprise) took me aside and said quite civilly, in essence, to “ix-nay the agic-may underpants business.” I didn’t need anything more to convince me that I was inadvertently sliming perfectly decent people I knew, personally, with a crack like that.
I reserve the right, however, to razz Peggy Noonan over the Jesus Dolphins.
USMC
June 27th, 2012
12:09 pm
“As in attended one? Or sat through the video? Because I don’t go TO lectures very often, unless it’s about a scientific topic. But I HAVE sat through many live video feeds of conservatives having their say.”–Adam
You should try and diversify a little Adam. Eventhough I detest the Leftwing Anti-American political propaganda that Jay and other Liberals lecture on, I think it is important to hear it and mix with different people. We might disagree politically, but we probably have more in common than not. It will definitely open your world perspective and ability to relate to people of different backgrounds, etc.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 27th, 2012
12:09 pm
getalife — “Nothing but racist con comments.”
I’m sure no *actual* conservatives posted such a thing. It’s far more likely that liberal spinmeisters on George Soros’ payroll are actually masquerading as conservatives and posting such comments with the intent of damaging the good name and sterling reputation of the GOP faithful.
(laughing)
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 27th, 2012
12:09 pm
“He obviously spent a little time in Europe during his formidable years as a spoiled college kid and adopted the Hate/Blame America First and Socialist political faux-philosophy.”
oooooooooooooo … Europe … booga-booga!!!
josef
June 27th, 2012
12:09 pm
USinUK
Best not to do it here, but you and I could probably have a grand time discussing the various and sundry points of theology in the world religions!
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
12:10 pm
I HATE that phrase.
I just don’t get it. A family member, as a newlywed, lived in a trailer for a time. as a kid I thought it was the coolest thing ever.
Still don’t see the shame in electing to live in such a place, as opposed to other affordable housing options.
Adam
June 27th, 2012
12:10 pm
stands, josef, USinUK: I always thought attacking Romney for his religion was dumb – why should I care what religion he is? He’s running for office, for pete’s sake (heh). The religion thing is something the righties have their heads exploding over all the time, not the rest of the country.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
12:10 pm
Joe,
They did not bother to hide their racism.
I had fun on that thread.
Adam
June 27th, 2012
12:11 pm
stands: I hate the “off the reservation” phrase. Trailer trash I think is a pretty low blow, and should not be uttered, but I do not have the same recoil when I hear it. Probably because I know people who call THEMSELVES that.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 27th, 2012
12:12 pm
dB – 12:08 – and I’m right there with you on Our Lady of the Dolphins. oy.
Jay
June 27th, 2012
12:12 pm
I spent my senior year in high school in Europe, USMC, most of it in a military-run school on a U.S. military base.
And if you can call someone who worked and paid his own way through college, and who grew up as the oldest child of a career enlisted man, a “spoiled college kid,” then the best that can be said for that assertion is that it’s no more inaccurate and no less informed than most of the other things you post here.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 27th, 2012
12:13 pm
Adam — “stands, josef, USinUK: I always thought attacking Romney for his religion was dumb – why should I care what religion he is?”
A candidate’s religion makes no nevermind to me, unless, of course, he or she insists on constantly *making* it one. A candidate who can’t stop talking about his or her religious beliefs and motivations is, IMO, a candidate who will attempt to impose them on his/her constitutents if they manage to get elected.
I do admit to being strongly biased against Scientologists, but IMO that’s not actually a religion anyhow.
JamVet
June 27th, 2012
12:13 pm
Jay, like the majority of Republicans here, ty does not debate.
He dances.
i.e. when shown incontrovertible proof of what the desperately does not wish to know, he dances off to another person,event, topic, etc…
Or just disappears until the smoke settles…
Tommy Maddox
June 27th, 2012
12:13 pm
I imagine that all this whining will reach epic proportion as we get closer to November.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
12:13 pm
You should read the drudge link comments on Rangel’s victory.
Why, when there’s a perfectly nice mug full of rusty, used razor blades I can swallow?
Ronnie Raygun
June 27th, 2012
12:13 pm
“Even the terrorist groups that are contributing to Romney because Obama had their leader killed.”
Ty Webb:”Bartender…I’ll have five of whatever he’s drinking”.
Please prove me wrong then. Prove that terrorist organizations and other foreigners are not contributing to Romney’s Super PACs I dare ya.
Lord Help Us
June 27th, 2012
12:15 pm
I have no worries about the affect of Romney’s religion on his governing policy. His record in Mass illustrates that it is a non-issue.
I have serious concerns about the affect of right-wing influence peddlers on Romney’s governing policy.
USMC
June 27th, 2012
12:15 pm
“oooooooooooooo … Europe … booga-booga!!!’
OOOOHHHH, now USinuk is getting “sensitive” and considers herself “EUROpean”
(Actually, i am envious of you being living in EURope after three episodes of Zen, shot in Roma, I wouldn’t mind being USinIT!)
Florida Stand Your Ground Law
June 27th, 2012
12:15 pm
Zimmerman will probably go free on a murder charge.
________________
It is crazy that they are releasing so much evidence to the public. Both attorney’s seem as if they are trying to gather or persuade the public before they even step a foot into the courtroom. This case is too flawed and was handled wrong from the beginning.
Trolls Bane
June 27th, 2012
12:17 pm
Checkbook republic, goverment for sale to the highest bidder and for the benefit of Wall Street
josef
June 27th, 2012
12:18 pm
USMC
“Jay might romanticize about the idea of diversity, but he doesn’t come across as someone with a diverse group of peers/acquantances or experience in the real world. And it is painfully obvious.”
If you knew some of the people I know that he knows you wouldn’t say that!
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SFD
Paul’s an all right fellow in my book….
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ADAM
That one does chap me, but then I have an agenda!
ty webb
June 27th, 2012
12:21 pm
Jay,
not changing the subject…just pointing out your inconsistency and hypocrisy. You clearly “race baited” the martin case. Now, I could pose a hypothetical, similar to the one you posed originally that I took issue with regarding the school bus bullying incident. Your headline, and opinion of the “Trayvon Martin” entry would no doubt have been different if the shooter was black and the person shot was a white-latino…as for the bullying incident I think “fox” has been fairly critical of the bullies. The question I pose to you is, what would your headline have been if the bullying victim(the bus monitor had been black? your conclusions would probably be the opposite of limbaugh’s, but cloaked in “race baiting-ness” just the same.
They BOTH suck
June 27th, 2012
12:21 pm
josef @ 12:18
Maybe a little projection onto others from that particular blogger?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 27th, 2012
12:22 pm
T. Webb — “not changing the subject…just pointing out your inconsistency and hypocrisy. You clearly “race baited” the martin case.”
How, precisely, do you think Jay did that? What makes you think he was doing that?
USMC
June 27th, 2012
12:25 pm
“not changing the subject…just pointing out your inconsistency and hypocrisy. You clearly “race baited” the martin case…”–Ty
Ty you hit him right between the eyes. He clearly race-baited the Martin case.
And notice that Jay uses a comedian, John Horowitz Stewart for his news and justification…
–laughable!
ty webb
June 27th, 2012
12:26 pm
Jamvet,
why debate when you can just scream “racist”, “neocon”, or “fake conservative”..at the drop of a hat…I can only aspire to have your skills when it comes to debate.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 27th, 2012
12:26 pm
ty webb
jay race baited? coming from the master baiter himself…..
(sorry, it was just such low hanging fruit)
godless heathen
June 27th, 2012
12:26 pm
Bobby Zimmerman sings one for cousin George:
http://youtu.be/cqJJdiG61jo
A dad
June 27th, 2012
12:26 pm
Joe Hussein, Adam, etc. Since I work,I don’t have the luxury to constantly check up on blogsd to see what’s said, either in response to something I said or the general direction the blog has taken. As we all agree re full disclosure, let’s keep in mind the term money laundering, and that someone, either individual or corporation, undoubtedly has the resources to launder money through multiple levels to make any dubious connections disappear. Face it guys, we’ve lost our country a while back, and it’s only getting worse and worse.
Jamvet – your little snippet counted for zilch, as what I was saying was obviously over your head. or do you totally ignore things like firebombing abortion clinics, throwing blood on providers, etc. Yeah, we 1%’s are such cowards…. Still angry over being ousted under DADT I see.
USMC
June 27th, 2012
12:27 pm
“How, precisely, do you think Jay did that? What makes you think he was doing that?”
Get off the knob, Joe. I think Jay can defend himself. He’s a big boy.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
12:27 pm
So cons, are you okay with Soros donating a billion to the President?
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
12:27 pm
At this point, if the system decides that Zimmerman should go free, I would have no problem with that. Justice will have been done, the case will have had a full investigation. That’s all I was interested in from the beginning.
this.
ty webb
June 27th, 2012
12:27 pm
Granny,
sorry, I’ve got my hands full right now.
josef
June 27th, 2012
12:27 pm
TY
As for Jay and the Martin-Zimmerman one, I think he did a pretty good job of not getting caught up in the media hype while at the same time not “censoring” the goings on here on his front porch. That couldn’t have been easy for him…
A dad
June 27th, 2012
12:27 pm
Hey, has anyone seen/read Issa’s June 25th letter to the POTUS? Whoa indeed!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
12:28 pm
“CNN Sinks To 21-Year Primetime Ratings Low In Second Quarter”
Maybe we will see the death of a liberal news machine !
getalife
June 27th, 2012
12:28 pm
“Get off the knob, Joe”
What is the knob?
getalife
June 27th, 2012
12:29 pm
scout,
corporate news network.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
12:29 pm
Headline: “House Democrats break rank to back Holder contempt as vote looms”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/27/house-democrat-breaks-ranks-to-back-holder-contempt-as-vote-looms/#ixzz1z0nf4S00
Jay
June 27th, 2012
12:30 pm
Ty, you continue to deflect.
You charged that my assertion about the bus monitor proved that I was unreasonable. Given the evidence that I have since provided, do you still believe that?
And if so, why? Instead of bringing in things that have nothing to do with the accuracy of my assertion, make your case for why I was wrong and unreasonable.
JamVet
June 27th, 2012
12:30 pm
ty, nice dance moves at 12:26!
Elaine from Seinfeld would be proud.
And per your own admission, why would you debate indeed.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
12:30 pm
ty,
Your hands full?
Hilarious.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
12:30 pm
Headline: “Moderate Dems Would Quietly Cheer Health Law’s Demise”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/27/moderate-dems-would-quietly-cheer-health-laws-demise/#ixzz1z0nt0lC5
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 27th, 2012
12:30 pm
ty
i disagree with you on a boat load of stuff….but i do applaud your sense of humor.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
12:10 pm
Stands,
Either do I. There was a time in my life when I lived in a box car converted into a two room “condo”. The first room had the kitchen and bath room. The second had the living/sleeping quarters. A Trailer would have been a couple of steps up. The only really good thing about the box car was that it was across the street from the old bowling alley in East Point. I was the night mechanic there and got my meals free.
carlosgvv
June 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
And now, our new Pledge of Allegiance:
I pledge allegiance to the flag
Of the Corporate States of America
And to the Corporations for which it stands
A divided Nation
Under Big Business
With huge Corporate profits for the few
(and little of nothing for the rest of you)
godless heathen
June 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
So cons, are you okay with Soros donating a billion to the President?
I’d prefer he give it me, but if that’s what he wants to do with his money, fine by me.
ty webb
June 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
Josef,
yeah, he only “convicted” Zimmerman for killing someone who did nothing but “be black and 17″…so, yeah, he covered it pretty fairly…according to Al Sharpton.
RB from Gwinnett
June 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
Adam, how is that 6 month old survey coming along? When are you going to bless us with your made up BS findings?
Moderate Line
June 27th, 2012
12:32 pm
Devil’s Advocate
If you do not like a poltician who receives secret donations don’t vote for them. Obama had $25 billion in undisclosed donations in 2008.
If you are going to equate spending with winning elections I have trouble with the concept of forcing people to donate publically. After all people do not vote publically.
The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal
June 27th, 2012
12:32 pm
A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/
ty webb
June 27th, 2012
12:32 pm
Jay,
your hypothetical has no “evidence”. It’s a hypothetical.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
12:32 pm
TY:
” ……………. make your case for why I was wrong and unreasonable.”
Don’t do it Ty !
I did on Jay’s gun control stat fabrications once and he is still upset with me ………….. !
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 27th, 2012
12:32 pm
I take no offense with ‘off the reservation’
heheh
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 27th, 2012
12:33 pm
“OOOOHHHH, now USinuk is getting “sensitive” and considers herself “EUROpean””
no, just find it funny how Europe is a specter of all that is wrong with the world …
as for Roma … aaaaaaaaaaaah, Italy!! despite all their problems (and they are legion), how I love that country!!
getalife
June 27th, 2012
12:33 pm
“With huge Corporate profits for the few
(and little of nothing for the rest of you)”
You get it but the cons do not.
What happens when they control all the wealth?
There is none for you cons.
You are self defeatists.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
12:33 pm
“And now, our new Pledge of Allegiance:
I pledge allegiance to the flag
Of the Corporate States of America
And to the Corporations for which it stands
A divided Nation
Under Big Business
With huge Corporate profits for the few
(and little of nothing for the rest of you)”
…………………. and the entire world trying to get here because they like what we have !
They BOTH suck
June 27th, 2012
12:34 pm
Scout
NRA is putting pressure on several Dems to back the contempt charge, which for right or wrong, goes to the thought that this is really about gun control not the dead border agent.
I wish they would do the vote and be done with it.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
12:35 pm
scout,
No they don’t.
The MB President in Egypt wants a woman and a Christian as VP’s.
Jay
June 27th, 2012
12:36 pm
It is indeed a hypothetical, Ty. You charged that it was an unreasonable hypothetical.
Please explain. You’ve seen what Drudge and Rush did with less inflammatory material. Now explain why you think they would not have done the same or worse under my hypothetical.
I don’t think that’s an “unreasonable” request, Ty. I have made my case and introduced my evidence as to why my hypothetical was reasonable.
Your turn….
getalife
June 27th, 2012
12:37 pm
Both,
cnn is reporting that nra conspiracy.
I think the dems should walk out like the gop did.
Just for fair and balance.
Bob
June 27th, 2012
12:37 pm
GOP says: “They now say disclosure could be an enemy of free speech.”
Since when does free speech give you the right to essentially bribe our politicians in secret? Let me get this straight. I have no expectation of privacy when I walk down the street, go into a store, drive on the roads, but somehow disclosure of how much money, and for what reasons, I give money to a politician is against free speech? Is it now against free speech to have disclosure of an out-and-out bribe to a politician? Without disclosure we can’t enforce any laws against bribery and corruption. Without disclosure we will never know who a politician will be favoring when a law is passed.
If that flies we might as well rid ourselves of all anti-bribery laws since we can never enforce them and make bribery and corruption legal, since that will be legal by default. Then we can honestly call ourselves the Kleptocratic Republic of the United States.