GOP: Massive campaign donations should be secret
“WASHINGTON — During their long campaign to loosen rules on campaign money, conservatives argued that there was a simpler way to prevent corruption: transparency. Get rid of limits on contributions and spending, they said, but make sure voters know where the money is coming from.
Today, with those fundraising restrictions largely removed, many conservatives have changed their tune. They now say disclosure could be an enemy of free speech.
High-profile donors could face bullying and harassment from liberals out to “muzzle” their opponents, Sen. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said in a recent speech.
Corporations could be subject to boycotts and pickets, warned the Wall Street Journal editorial page this spring.
Democrats “want to intimidate people into not giving to these conservative efforts,” said Republican strategist Karl Rove on Fox News. “I think it’s shameful.”
The Times’ story goes on to document a wide-ranging effort by conservative groups to undermine, dismantle and evade laws intended to force disclosure of who is giving how much money to who. They are also aggressively abusing a loophole in regulations that allow nonprofit groups to collect hundreds of millions of dollars in anonymous donations — under the guise that they are social-welfare organizations — and use that anonymous money to buy campaign ads.
The Federal Election Commission, which has the legal authority and even obligation to intervene, has been rendered incapable of doing so. In an all-too-familiar pattern, the commission’s three Republican members are blocking its three Democratic members from taking action to force disclosure that the law clearly requires. (See Van Hollen v. FEC).
As a result, it is becoming increasingly difficult for the public and the media to “follow the money,” the traditional means to trace how big money in the political system produces favorable outcomes for those doing the giving.
The excuse for such secrecy is that large donors fear a backlash should their involvement become public. Poor little sensitive dears.
What do they think happens when John Q. Public writes a letter to the editor of the local newspaper, puts a campaign sign in his front yard or a bumper sticker on his car?
Why should they be exempt from disclosing contributions measured in the millions of dollars, while Jane Q. Public’s little $500 contribution to a candidate ends up in a FEC database accessible to her employer, her family and friends and everyone else with an Internet connection?
As one prominent jurist noted back in 2010:
“Requiring people to stand up in public for their political acts fosters civic courage, without which democracy is doomed. For my part, I do not look forward to a society which, thanks to the Supreme Court, campaigns anonymously and even exercises the direct democracy of initiative and referendum hidden from public scrutiny and protected from the accountability of criticism.”
Of course, given that the jurist in question was Justice Antonin Scalia, he may be singing a different tune now, given the partisan turn this issue has taken.
– Jay Bookman
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godless heathen
June 27th, 2012
11:20 am
Tax: And they prove it too with all their posting of links to unemotional fact-based analysis, studies conducted by experts, etc.
You mean like you posted from Earthworks earlier?
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
June 27th, 2012
11:20 am
Will Dumbya be told to stay away from the GOP Convention again this year?
Welcome to the Occupation
June 27th, 2012
11:21 am
Pardon the off-topic, but Jay you said the other day that the explanation of the growing chasm in income/wealth in our country was not really about policy. Here’s a rebuttal of that from Stiglitz:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-policy-has-contributed-to-the-great-economic-divide/2012/06/22/gJQAXTX2vV_story.html
How policy has contributed to the great economic divide
The United States is in the midst of a vicious cycle of inequality and recession: Inequality prolongs the downturn, and the downturn exacerbates inequality. Unfortunately, the austerity agenda advocated by conservatives will make matters worse on both counts.
The seriousness of America’s growing problem of inequality was highlighted by Federal Reserve data released this month showing the recession’s devastating effect on the wealth and income of those at the bottom and in the middle. The decline in median wealth, down almost 40 percent in just three years, wiped out two decades of wealth accumulation for most Americans. If the average American had actually shared in the country’s seeming prosperity the past two decades, his wealth, instead of stagnating, would have increased by some three-fourths.
Peadawg
June 27th, 2012
11:21 am
“one party wants to reinstitute limits if possible
Only b/c the other side is getting more donations. Funny how the whining starts when the tables are turned.
But of course, if the Democrats were saying this back in 2008 when Obama outspent McCain, I’ll gladly insert my foot in my mouth and shut up.
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
11:21 am
LHU @ 11:16
I read that one earlier this morning and was waiting on the F&F brayers to allow that one to be posted.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
11:22 am
They legalized corruption.
cons are for it.
Why?
They do what the gop tell them to do.
No questions asked.
Joseph
June 27th, 2012
11:22 am
Jay:
I guess since Bush was doing his job that should be held against him? He did take part obviously.
ITS ALL BUSHIES FAULT
June 27th, 2012
11:22 am
All of the money ever printed will not get the pandering phoney carpert bagging mormom mooron elected.
Joseph
June 27th, 2012
11:22 am
I wondering if Oblama may skip the DNC convention???
Woodstock Mike
June 27th, 2012
11:22 am
It’s great seeing these liberals starting to squirm!! It’s clear now that Obama is not the favorite. It’s clear that although Obama has very good intentions he isn’t capable of making things happen in Washington.
The debates will decide this election. The number one focus for voters is the economy and jobs. Both of these issues Romeny is far and away better than Obama.
Obama was dealt a difficult hand, unfortunately he couldn’t get it done, probably not all his fault, but Americans vote on results and even if the issues our country faces aren’t Obama’s fault directly, since he is president he is held responsible.
philosopher
June 27th, 2012
11:23 am
“If you want changes to the policy, talk to your elected representatives.” Well, now…that sounds like wise advice…unless you live in Georgia where the good ol’ boys manipulate policy to suit themselves and respond only to their handlers.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
11:23 am
So, when a con cries about corruption or no transparency, kindly remind them they are for it.
Ronnie Raygun
June 27th, 2012
11:24 am
Why are Republicans suddenly against revealing where their super PAC money comes from?
Because they know the American people wouldn’t be happy to know that they are taking hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes from China and the Middle East. But I’m sure citizens those countries have Americans best interests at heart. Even the terrorist groups that are contributing to Romney because Obama had their leader killed.
Joseph
June 27th, 2012
11:24 am
Lord Help Us:
So I should read a blog to inform myself. Do you people just type without thinking first?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 27th, 2012
11:24 am
Joseph
don’t be afraid we are gonna take your guns….no worries mate.
we’ll leave the guns behind when we put you in the gulag
Woodstock Mike
June 27th, 2012
11:24 am
“All of the money ever printed will not get the pandering phoney carpert bagging mormom mooron elected.”
This kind of comment above shows the authors true colors. I thought liberals were open minded? And you do realize Obama is ordering the printing of money you fool…
Money Wasted
June 27th, 2012
11:25 am
Joseph
June 27th, 2012
11:22 am
Where was George W. Bush when the people of New Orleans were on the streets begging for help?
Jay
June 27th, 2012
11:25 am
Right, Joseph. Bush couldn’t be budged off his ranch for the much-worse Katrina, but was so essential in Gustav that he didn’t dare leave Washington.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
11:25 am
The debates will decide this election.
they never have, actually, but I guess there’s a first time for everything.
USMC
June 27th, 2012
11:26 am
“…Fox News also highlighted Barron as part of its ongoing marketing campaign to frighten white people into watching more Fox News….”–JAY BOOKMAN
So Fox News has an “ongoing marketing campaign” to scare “white people”???
Jay Bookman is a clearly an OUT OF TOUCH extremist/Partisan Hack hired by the AJC to write outrageous columns to draw reaction… LOL!!! Scaring White People???
I suppose CNN’s Racist “BLACK IN AMERICA” is part of CNN’s “ongoing marketing campaign” to scare “Black People”??? What a joke, Bookman, that was a “clown statement, Bro” .
TaxPayer
June 27th, 2012
11:26 am
You mean like you posted from Earthworks earlier?
Godless,
I mean your lack of posting actually. Also, that site does contain quite a bit of information, in an unemotional format, from experts in the field including USGS, Halliburton, etc. Perhaps you would be so kind as to post some links to studies for discussion. I anxiously await.
godless heathen
June 27th, 2012
11:26 am
carpert bagging mormom mooron
Pot meet kettle.
ITS ALL BUSHIES FAULT
June 27th, 2012
11:27 am
I think Heman 999 Cain or even Newt baby Momma Gingrich would have a better chance, but Mitt i have no plan Romney?, seriously……LOL
ty webb
June 27th, 2012
11:27 am
“Even the terrorist groups that are contributing to Romney because Obama had their leader killed.”
Bartender…I’ll have five of whatever he’s drinking.
Joseph
June 27th, 2012
11:27 am
More dems by the day avoids Oblama. I just don’t get it I thought all dems loved him…
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/list-of-democrats-skipping-the-partys-national-convention-continues-to-grow/
Jay
June 27th, 2012
11:28 am
“And you do realize Obama is ordering the printing of money you fool…
And Woodstock Mike, you do realize that Obama has nothing to do with the money supply, which is controlled solely by the independent Federal Reserve?
In other words, be careful about calling someone else a fool lest you, well, you get the point.
Oscar
June 27th, 2012
11:28 am
Where was George W. Bush when the people of New Orleans were on the streets begging for help?
————
In all fairness, it was not W who built the city under sea level and neglected the levees. Could he have done better, we don’t know.
cranky old man
June 27th, 2012
11:28 am
“Isn’t that a major complaint conservatives have about lobbying by unions? That some union members might object to the way their dues are spent?”
“Your problem there is that you’re using logic instead of emotion. See, when you mention the word union, it’s all emotion for some conservatives. They lose any semblance of logic. Also, you can choose not to buy a company’s product, but you can’t choose to work at a job without collective bargaining or union representation. Unions force people to take those jobs so that they have more people paying dues and stuff….”
Hi, Brosephus,
Good point. However, I can’t really choose to refuse give my money to a business that would spend it on something I don’t like either, if I don’t have any way of knowing they are doing so. At least the union members know how their money is being spent. If they don’t like it, they can try to replace the union leaders with an election. Not likely, I know, but it is at least theoretically an option.
Lord Help Us
June 27th, 2012
11:28 am
‘I read that one earlier this morning and was waiting on the F&F brayers to allow that one to be posted.’
I am amazed at how this issue metastasized once the political agenda was underway. Actually metastasized is a bad word…this is a purposeful misrepresentation for crass political gain.
Shameful…even more shameful that its proponents couch their superficial, mendacious intent with feigned concern for the agent that was murdered…
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 27th, 2012
11:28 am
Ty – “”Homophobic” Californians cast the ballots…and a majority of ‘em too.”
sorry for the delay (damn work getting in the way today!!) – by a slim margin of >5% –
(side note: this is why I always think it’s funny that people think it’s a liberal state – other than the bay area and la, it really isn’t)
like I said – at least it was overturned.
USMC
June 27th, 2012
11:29 am
“Right, Joseph. Bush couldn’t be budged off his ranch for the much-worse Katrina, but was so essential in Gustav that he didn’t dare leave Washington”–JAY BOOKMAN
Here we go with the usual bluster from Jay:
“BLAME BUSH FOR KATRINA…..” great dishonest PR, but dishonest indeed. LOL!
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 27th, 2012
11:29 am
“However, one party wants to reinstitute limits if possible, and at least mandate full disclosure if limits are not politically or legally feasible.
The other party opposes limits and opposes letting the American people see where the campaign funds are coming from.”
Weird. I coulda sworn McCain Feingold had a republican sponsor….
ty webb
June 27th, 2012
11:29 am
“Right, Joseph. Bush couldn’t be budged off his ranch for the much-worse Katrina, but was so essential in Gustav that he didn’t dare leave Washington.”
come on Jay…you’re better than this, aren’t you? is this the Daily Kos?
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
June 27th, 2012
11:29 am
Obama is Swiftboating Romney in the swing states. Bain is becoming an albatross around his neck. Outsourcing (or offshoring) jobs is not the kind of jobs plan that appeals to voters.
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
11:30 am
I suppose CNN’s Racist “BLACK IN AMERICA” is part of CNN’s “ongoing marketing campaign” to scare “Black People”???
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Joseph
June 27th, 2012
11:30 am
Jay:
What did you beloved Clintoon do at the 08′ dnc convention Jay. Or Carter for that matter. I’ll answer for you. Its of no concern for a past President. The question is why are dems fleeing Oblama? I just don’t get it. He’s their supreme leader…
ITS ALL BUSHIES FAULT
June 27th, 2012
11:30 am
Woodstock , really ? Who would even admit they live there.
josef
June 27th, 2012
11:30 am
Bush gets no off-the-rooftop free card on Katrina…he bungled that one big time..BIG time…
gm
June 27th, 2012
11:30 am
How about (Gekko) Willard vetoed a bill that would stop outsource jobs overseas in Mass, the Obama ads are working in the swing states, real Americans do not vote for scum like Willard who cares nothing about the middle class.
Of course in South Georgia, backwoods Georgians this means nothing, the bubbas vote agains their interest every time, this is why the state is ranked last in every catagory, go figure””’
TaxPayer
June 27th, 2012
11:31 am
The makers of Monopoly control the money supply. After all, it’s all been funny money since Reagan’s day. Isn’t that what Republican Libertarians such as Ron Paul believe.
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 27th, 2012
11:31 am
“Where was George W. Bush when the people of New Orleans were on the streets begging for help?”
Most likely the same place Obama was when the people in the Gulf were begging him to get more involved in the BP oil spill, on the golf course.
Think how much better off this country would be if we banned golf.
btull27
June 27th, 2012
11:31 am
Holder now faces a vote by the full House of Representatives this week on the contempt motion Assuming a vote occurs, it will be the FIRST against an attorney general in U.S. history.
Check your facts. 1998 Janet Reno.
Adam
June 27th, 2012
11:31 am
Jm: McCain deserves some credit. But obviously Mitch McConnell, leader in the Senate (where McCain is also senator) disagrees.
USMC
June 27th, 2012
11:32 am
List of Democrats Skipping the Party’s National Convention Continues to Grow
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/list-of-democrats-skipping-the-partys-national-convention-continues-to-grow/
That seems a bit unusual, doesn’t it???
Lord Help Us
June 27th, 2012
11:32 am
‘So I should read a blog to inform myself. Do you people just type without thinking first?’
I did not post a blog link. As I said, read the article I posted and it will help you continue appearing to be a superficial, bumper-sticker slogan partisan hack.
ty webb
June 27th, 2012
11:32 am
“Think how much better off this country would be if we banned golf.”
BLASPHEMY!
godless heathen
June 27th, 2012
11:32 am
Taxpayer, No need to post any links. I am my own authority on my opinions and I know a good bit about groundwater contamination issues. I acknowledged the threat of groundwater contamination from fracking, but unlike our friends at Earthworks, I can keep it in perspective.
ITS ALL BUSHIES FAULT
June 27th, 2012
11:32 am
Only a peckerhead from WOODSTOCk would vote for someone that wears magical underwear…….lol
Adam
June 27th, 2012
11:33 am
Obama is Swiftboating Romney in the swing states.
Not really. Obama is telling the truth about what Bain and Romney did, not making up a story in order to make Romney look bad.
Jay
June 27th, 2012
11:33 am
USMC, it was an entirely accurate statement. It describes what Fox is doing and why. Same goes for Drudge.
For example, can you imagine what would have happened if the perpetrators in the bullying of that elderly bus monitor had been black? Rush, Drudge, Fox … oh the humanity. This blog would have been inundated with complaints blaming it all on Obama.
But since it was white kids? That’s just kids being kids.
Adam
June 27th, 2012
11:34 am
List of Democrats Skipping the Party’s National Convention Continues to Grow
OH
MY
GOD
What a revelation. Why, this clearly means conservatives are going to win!
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 27th, 2012
11:34 am
I can’t speak or pretend to speak for everyone but when I talk to people they just don”t seem to care about Holder and “Fast & Furious”. Perhaps it is more accurate to say that they are worried about bigger problems.
Abrazos
June 27th, 2012
11:35 am
If money is free speech, then surely my guarantee of free speech includes the right to know the identity of corporations or individuals before I spend my (free speech) money on their goods or services.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 27th, 2012
11:35 am
ITS ALL BUSHIES FAULT
June 27th, 2012
11:30 am
I live there…but imagine my chagrin when I realized it wasn’t the right one…
Yep, I must be the only living Liberal in Woodstock…
Joe Hussein Mama
June 27th, 2012
11:35 am
T. L Time — “Republicans don’t generally use these tactics.”
Oh, really? What about all those GOP operatives who pretended to be ‘concerned citizens’ disrupting the FL recount in 2000?
“Nobody went to Obama’s bundler’s houses and threatened their families”
I can go on Free Republic once or twice a month and find threads in which conservative posters brag about figuring out where some liberal figure or individual or ‘troublemaker’ lives. Y’all do that all the time.
“or funded legions of attorneys to bribe local officials to pry open closed court documents, etc, etc,”
I’ll see your bet and raise you Orly Taitz and the Birther movement.
“etc. I certainly don’t want someone reading MY name off of a list of donors and showing up at MY house to yell epitaphs, threaten my family, and ruin my quality of life. No one deserves that”
Strange, then, how I’ve never heard any conservative poster here denounce local mule-f**ker Neal Horsley for his Nuremberg Files. And people DIED as a result of that.
“but Democrats think it is perfectly find to be obnoxious azzwholes in this way. It’s like bringing the occupy crowd to your front door.”
I think you are blissfully unaware of the sins of your own side in this regard.
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
11:35 am
I am amazed at how this issue metastasized once the political agenda was underway.
I’m not. I see it as just another case where politicians get involved in stuff and screw it to high hell. Nowadays, you’re guilty until you can prove yourself innocent, and not one person has even came forth to acknowledge the person who actually submitted the “gun walking” idea is the very one who is the whistleblower.
Adam
June 27th, 2012
11:36 am
Abrazos: then surely my guarantee of free speech includes the right to know the identity of corporations or individuals before I spend my (free speech) money on their goods or services.
Roberts Court says “Shut up! No it doesn’t!”
ty webb
June 27th, 2012
11:36 am
“For example, can you imagine what would have happened if the perpetrators in the bullying of that elderly bus monitor had been black? Rush, Drudge, Fox … oh the humanity. This blog would have been inundated with complaints blaming it all on Obama.
But since it was white kids? That’s just kids being kids.”
okay, I take it back…this place has become “the Daily Kos”…Jay’s officially lost it.
TaxPayer
June 27th, 2012
11:36 am
godless,
In other words, you got nothing. I understand.
josef
June 27th, 2012
11:37 am
STEVE
“Most likely the same place Obama was when the people in the Gulf were begging him to get more involved in the BP oil spill, on the golf course”
********
Yep, that one, too. Went to New England to go to the beach on vacation and not to Biloxi, too. No free pass for him, either.
Jay
June 27th, 2012
11:37 am
Are you seriously trying to disagree with that statement, Ty?
Adam
June 27th, 2012
11:37 am
JHM: I can go on Free Republic once or twice a month and find threads in which conservative posters brag about figuring out where some liberal figure or individual or ‘troublemaker’ lives. Y’all do that all the time.
And sometimes it leads to…
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57364265/pols-cat-killed-liberal-scrawled-on-body/
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
11:37 am
Some Republicans stayed away from the Convention because they didn’t want to take votes away from McCain.
Many Democrats will stay away from the Convention because they can’t stand Obama.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
11:38 am
The dems know their nominee and have to campaign in their states.
drudgey fooled the cons again.
So easy.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
11:38 am
Woodstock , really ? Who would even admit they live there.
perhaps in hopes some might mistake it for the charming Hudson valley NY burg of the same name?
Jay
June 27th, 2012
11:38 am
Have you forgotten this little exercise in race-baiting, Ty?
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2009/09/15/from_kids_on_bus_to_kanye_west_race_rules_all_in_obama_s_america
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 27th, 2012
11:39 am
Jay – “But since it was white kids? That’s just kids being kids.”
You monitor more news sources than I do Jay but I didn’t see anyone just say it was “kids being kids”. I didn’t see anyone who didn’t think it was a horrible incident. As a matter of fact that guy Eric Bolling(sp?) on Fox said those kids should be put in Juvenile Detention for two years which I thought was over the top.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 27th, 2012
11:39 am
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, Jay … as the kids would say … SNAP
Lord Help Us
June 27th, 2012
11:40 am
‘the “gun walking” idea is the very one who is the whistleblower.’
And once the justice dept learned what this dude did (w/o even approval from his supv) that was when they retracted the letter about ‘gun walking.’ Unbelievable.
Even more unbelievable that the House committee knows this and purposefully misrepresents. Shameless hacks…
Adam
June 27th, 2012
11:40 am
josef: when the people in the Gulf were begging him to get more involved in the BP oil spill
If memory serves, I heard more people telling him to stay away than anything else. The people complaining he wasn’t here on the ground were just butthurt that Bush got attacked by the media for not handling Katrina properly.
By the way, the media DEFINITELY criticized Obama for not taking a more active role. You know, that “liberal media” that’s in the tank for Obama. Regular people> Not so much.
Middle of the Road
June 27th, 2012
11:40 am
Congressmen skipping out of their party’s convention is nothing new. Heck, there are Republicans skipping out this year as well although not as many as the Democrats. This phenomenon is especially common during the reelection of a sitting president as there’s nothing much at stake. In 2004 eight House Republicans sat out their convention including four from Pennsylvania.
All this represents is that wanting to be reelected is a stronger motivator than showing support on the national stage.
Should be interesting to see if Ron Paul makes any significant noise in the GOP Convention. He’s amassed a big chunk of very loyal delegates.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
11:40 am
Strange, then, how I’ve never heard any conservative poster here denounce local mule-f**ker Neal Horsley for his Nuremberg Files. And people DIED as a result of that.
to say nothing of Bill O’Reilly, who repeatedly referred to Dr. George Tiller as “Tiller the Baby Killer” until it had the desired effect.
CJ
June 27th, 2012
11:40 am
Woodstock Mike @11:22, “It’s clear that although Obama has very good intentions he isn’t capable of making things happen in Washington.”
So, it’s President Obama’s fault that Republicans rejected (and filibustered) every idea that they had embraced up until 2009? Infrastructure spending, tax cuts, deficit commission, health insurance mandate, cap-and-trade, Dream Act, immigration reform, debt-ceiling increases, entitlement cuts (offered to end debt ceiling hostage crisis), and on and on and on.
President Obama was able to get legislation passed in the House and majority-support in the Senate. That used to be good enough. However, with Republicans blocking up-or-down votes on nearly every major piece of legislation that comes up in the Senate, including legislation they support, the notion that Obama isn’t capable of making things happen in Washington is nothing less than bizarre.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 27th, 2012
11:40 am
“But since it was white kids? That’s just kids being kids.”
Source please.
Adam
June 27th, 2012
11:40 am
Scout: Many Democrats will stay away from the Convention because they can’t stand Obama.
Not intended to be factual.
ty webb
June 27th, 2012
11:41 am
Jay,
Yes, I’m strongly disagreeing with you and your hypothetical. Good grief. I disagree with you on a lot of issues, and I’m obviously not shy to express it when I do…I also commend you when I agree with you. But I used to think you were definitely partisan, but somewhat reasonable…today, I have serious doubts.
207 more days
June 27th, 2012
11:41 am
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
11:08 am
It’s kind of like the O/Bama/Holder transparency
ya know, FFS, is it really asking too much for you schmucks to address the freaking issue at hand?
Do you really think this pathetic “but you guys kinda do it too, if you squint and look sideways through a glass of your own urine!” response is gonna cut it?
SFD it seems you are the one not on subject……..TRANSPARENCY.
As I said, I am for transparency, but for both sides, it apears that you don’t think the O’Bama/Holder transparency is an issue, maybe you are the one with the urine problem
USMC
June 27th, 2012
11:41 am
“USMC, it was an entirely accurate statement. It describes what Fox is doing and why. Same goes for Drudge.”–JAY BOOKMAN
Jay, you obviously live in a “bubble” of your dishonest Leftwing/extremist political brainwash.
You really should get out and actually meet and get to know people outside of your narrow-minded existence. It will do you a “world” of good.
You really come off as ignorant with most of what you say and write. I have attended your “real state of the union” and was awe struck at the lack of diversity and self esteem in your group and how out-of-touch you and your crowd were.
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
11:42 am
“Some Republicans stayed away from the Convention because they didn’t want to take votes away from McCain.
Many Democrats will stay away from the Convention because they can’t stand Obama.”
Sure…
Paulo977
June 27th, 2012
11:42 am
mm
You support the party that cares about the citizens of this country.
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Unfortunately, even the citizens, to a large extent, have been unable to figure it out ….sad situation
isn’t it ?
Peadawg
June 27th, 2012
11:42 am
Jay
June 27th, 2012
11:38 am
Wow……..
Adam
June 27th, 2012
11:43 am
USMC: Jay, you obviously live in a “bubble” of your dishonest Leftwing/extremist political brainwash.
Said the pot to the kettle.
JamVet
June 27th, 2012
11:43 am
The modern day GOP crawling with racists and bigots?
You’re kidding, right?
It is well known that they have vocifereously and actively expunged all of thoise historic elements of the conservative movement.
That there are literally dozens, if not hundreds, of examples or overt conservative racism in any given year is just a weird coincidence…
Jay
June 27th, 2012
11:43 am
Steve-USA, I agree.
The point is that nobody tried to make the argument that this is typical of white kids (”they’re all animals”) , or of white people, or that Mitt Romney somehow provoked it or tolerated it.
If it had been black kids, it would have been a very different story, with an entirely different story arc. And that is not even seriously debatable.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 27th, 2012
11:43 am
Adam — “And sometimes it leads to…”
I suspect that killing a Democrat’s cat, scrawling “LIBERAL” on the corpse and then leaving it where said Democrat’s kids will be sure to find it is what passes for good citizenship among some segments of the conservative population.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
11:44 am
Other countries can bribe them for war.
Other countries can bribe them for more bailouts.
billionaires united is a horrible idea but here to stay.
Adam
June 27th, 2012
11:44 am
JHM: I suspect that killing a Democrat’s cat, scrawling “LIBERAL” on the corpse and then leaving it where said Democrat’s kids will be sure to find it is what passes for good citizenship among some segments of the conservative population.
Oh and it’s also obviously a crazy person and violence against liberals is an isolated incident.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
11:44 am
this place has become “the Daily Kos”…Jay’s officially lost it.
You know, I’ve occasionally checked in at the Orange Satan, and you know what?
It’s really not all that radical-left over there. Not my cuppa tea, but generally thoughtful, respectful discussion.
You compare it to something like FoxNation or, god forbid, the html horror that is Free Republic, and it’s a flippin’ League of Women Voters site.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 27th, 2012
11:45 am
out of curiosity … I’d love a show of hands of those who have their BVDs in a wad over Obama’s ONE claim of privelege were equally poutraged over Bush’s SIX claims of privelege ???
ITS ALL BUSHIES FAULT
June 27th, 2012
11:45 am
Why would anyone vot e for a junk bond selling, job killing, outsourcing, fake tea bagging , vulture capitalist, draft dodging , flim flaming tool like Romney?
JamVet
June 27th, 2012
11:45 am
Source please.
Hysterical.
Coming from the guy who hasn’t sourced a post in years.
Even when challenged daily to do so.
Good times…
josef
June 27th, 2012
11:45 am
ADAM
Memory serves you wrong.
ITS ALL BUSHIES FAULT
June 27th, 2012
11:47 am
of mexican dissent. almost forgot
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 27th, 2012
11:47 am
“the html horror that is Free Republic, and it’s a flippin’ League of Women Voters site”
women’s temperance union???
Jay
June 27th, 2012
11:47 am
Again, Ty, if you think I’m not being reasonable in that assertion, explain why. Take a look at the Rush clip, and then tell me that he and others wouldn’t have seized this situation in exactly the same fashion.
I have no doubt whatsoever about what would have happened.
For the record, Ty, I’m not accusing YOU of such a thing. But I do recall several of our regulars getting all bent out of shape about that previous bus incident, as if kids picking on other kids on the bus was some new phenomenon unique to the Obama era.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 27th, 2012
11:47 am
USMC — “You really come off as ignorant with most of what you say and write.”
Senor Pot, I’d like to introduce you to Monsieur Kettle.
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
11:47 am
the html horror that is Free Republic
You owe me a cup of coffee!!!
getalife
June 27th, 2012
11:47 am
Rangel won for the 22 time.
hatch beat the tea party.
You are on a losing streak con.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
11:47 am
it’s also obviously a crazy person and violence against liberals is an isolated incident.
yep. Those Knoxville UU church attendees, whose crime was to be seated while kids were performing a song? Just one lil’ ol’ weirdo who lost it. I’m sure all the right wing talking points, that could’ve been copied verbatim from the AJC blogs, were just a coincidence when they were scrawled on what he hoped would be his suicide note.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 27th, 2012
11:48 am
Jam-”Hysterical. Coming from the guy who hasn’t sourced a post in years.”
and who changes the subject when someone cites a source that refutes him …