A peek under the robes of an increasingly partisan court
" ... just another political body"
In another 5-4 vote Monday, and without bothering to hear arguments in the case, the U.S. Supreme Court blithely tossed out a longstanding Montana law that barred corporations from making campaign contributions in state elections. States’ rights, it seems, must bow to corporate power in the Roberts court.
Or as Montana Attorney General Steve Bullock noted afterward, “It is a sad day for our democracy and for those of us who still want to believe that the United States Supreme Court is anything more than another political body.”
Bullock’s condemnation of the nation’s highest court as just “another political body” may sound harsh to some ears, but it is depressingly accurate. The Montana law had been on the books for 100 years, and for most of those 100 years its constitutionality had not been called into serious question. It was considered well within established law.
The absurd notions that have now forced its demise — corporations are people and speech is money — are novel law that has been imposed upon Montana and the rest of the country by an increasingly activist, inventive and yes, partisan Supreme Court.
Let’s be honest about this: The increasingly partisan nature of the court is not an accident. It did not occur by magic, but by concerted effort. For at least a quarter of a century, the Republican Party has made the creation of such a court one of its primary goals. The same sort of rigid ideological tests that the party has imposed on candidates for elective office have also been imposed on those it supports for nomination to the federal judiciary. Over a generation, that campaign has succeeded in creating a court that is far more friendly to the powerful than to the individual citizen.
The “smoking gun” in that evolution is of course the court’s “Citizens United” decision, in which the conservative majority decided that bans or limits on corporate expenditures are unconstitutional because “independent expenditures, including those made by corporations, do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption.”
That finding is ludicrous for a variety of reasons. It contradicts common sense, it contradicts history, it contradicts what we can see taking place in plain sight at this very moment and it contradicts the elected politicians who passed campaign-finance laws in the first place. Unlike the unelected justices, those politicians know the system intimately; they know firsthand what power can be wielded by unlimited money spent anonymously.
The people of Montana know it as well. I would strongly advise those interested in the issue to read last year’s 5-2 decision of the Montana Supreme Court (available here) as it attempted to uphold and defend their state’s law against the conservative judicial majority in Washington. The decision lays out in clear language that state’s difficult history in trying to fend off outside corporate control.
It’s also important to note that neither of the two dissenters on the Montana court embraced the logic of the Citizens’ United decision. Instead, they based their dissent on the fact that Montana had no choice but to bow to the federal court’s greater authority, however irrational it might be.
One of those dissenters, Justice James C. Nelson, used the opportunity to express his clear and eloquent disgust with the decision of his federal counterparts. I cannot recommend it more highly.
Here’s part of what he had to say:
“For starters, the notion that corporations are disadvantaged in the political realm is unbelievable. Indeed, it has astounded most Americans. The truth is that corporations wield inordinate power in Congress and in state legislatures. It is hard to tell where government ends and corporate America begins; the transition is seamless and overlapping.
In my view, Citizens United has turned the First Amendment’s “open marketplace” of ideas into an auction house for Friedmanian corporatists. Freedom of speech is now synonymous with freedom to spend. Speech equals money; money equals democracy. This decidedly was not the view of the constitutional founders, who favored the preeminence of individual interests over those of big business.
Furthermore, it defies reality to suggest that millions of dollars in slick television and Internet ads — put out by entities whose purpose and expertise, in the first place, is to persuade people to buy what’s being sold—carry the same weight as the fliers of citizen candidates and the letters to the editor of John and Mary Public. It is utter nonsense to think that ordinary citizens or candidates can spend enough to place their experience, wisdom, and views before the voters and keep pace with the virtually unlimited spending capability of corporations to place corporate views before the electorate….
I absolutely do not agree that corporate money in the form of “independent expenditures” expressly advocating the election or defeat of candidates cannot give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption. Of course it can. Even the most cursory review of decades of partisan campaigns and elections, whether state or federal, demonstrates this. Citizens United held that the only sufficiently important governmental interest in preventing corruption or the appearance of corruption is one that is limited to quid pro quo corruption. This is simply smoke and mirrors. In the real world of politics, the “quid pro quo” of both direct contributions to candidates and independent expenditures on their behalf is loyalty. And, in practical effect, experience teaches that money corrupts, and enough of it corrupts absolutely.
I cannot agree with the holding that the prevention of corruption in the form of independent expenditures is not a compelling state interest. There is no plausible reason why a state would not want to protect the integrity of its election process against corruption and undue influence; to do otherwise would render the fundamental right to vote a meaningless exercise….
Lastly, I am compelled to say something about corporate “personhood.” While I recognize that this doctrine is firmly entrenched in the law, I find the entire concept offensive. Corporations are artificial creatures of law. As such, they should enjoy only those powers — not constitutional rights, but legislatively conferred powers — that are concomitant with their legitimate function, that being limited-liability investment vehicles for business.
Corporations are not persons. Human beings are persons, and it is an affront to the inviolable dignity of our species that courts have created a legal fiction which forces people — human beings — to share fundamental, natural rights with soulless creations of government. Worse still, while corporations and human beings share many of the same rights under the law, they clearly are not bound equally to the same codes of good conduct, decency, and morality, and they are not held equally accountable for their sins. Indeed, it is truly ironic that the death penalty and hell are reserved only to natural persons.”
President Obama, name that man to the U.S. Supreme Court.
– Jay Bookman
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PJ
June 26th, 2012
10:44 am
My 1st time first!
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 26th, 2012
10:45 am
A peek under the robes of an increasingly partisan court….Oh No!!?? The Cars undies…with skid marks!
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
10:52 am
Wow… I’ll have to go and read those opinions when I have the time. Those are some powerful words there. I’m guessing that Justice Nelson won’t be receiving any invites to CPAC anytime in the near future.
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
10:52 am
Jay, must be prepping for an Obama loss on health care this Thursday.
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 26th, 2012
10:53 am
To think the Liberal Judges are any less political than the Conservative judges is a fairy tale you tell your children at bedtime.
After reading Justice James C. Nelson, I hope I never have to hear people call corporations “evil” since it should be impossible for a legal entity to be evil.
Steve
June 26th, 2012
10:54 am
We live in sad times where the power of those with the most money is wreaking havoc on the rest of us. It will take Americans awhile to figure this out, and hopefully we’ll reverse the course and damage, but it will take time. Americans, in general, are pretty clueless.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
10:55 am
God all this complaining about the judge’s decisions this week…can’t wait to hear Jay’s response on Thursday on the Obamacare decision, whichever way it goes.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 26th, 2012
10:56 am
I don’t think I want to look up any of those robes!
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
10:56 am
Is it only the “conservative” judges that are political, partisan, and activist?
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
10:57 am
“corporations are people and speech is money ”
Jay – if I remember correctly, the Citizens United decision said “money is free speech”
ragnar danneskjold
June 26th, 2012
10:57 am
State laws must yield to the Constitution. If you wished to argue that the Supreme Court has erred in much of its jurisprudence on the First Amendment – that the Amendment does not affirm any right protected by the 14th Amendment, that it is merely a restriction on Congress – you would have my full support. So long as we persist in the view that the First Amendment is a “right” extended by the 14th Amendment, the Montana ruling is correct.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
June 26th, 2012
10:58 am
Get mo D’s in there, and you’ll like what you see as you peek under your ruler’s robes.
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Ain’t that the statism logic/religion?
RCB
June 26th, 2012
10:58 am
Oh, boo-hoo, Jay. You are right about one thing though. The next President will have an extraordinary opportunity to appoint possibly 2 Justices. Stop calling everything “partisan” when you don’t like it.
Lord Help Us
June 26th, 2012
10:59 am
‘Is it only the “conservative” judges that are political, partisan, and activist?’
Probably not, but listening to Scalia parrot the right wing POLITICAL talking points during the ACA hearings was the best evidence of HIS activism…
carlosgvv
June 26th, 2012
10:59 am
Rigid ideology is a hallmark of far-right Christians. These people have been increasing in the Republican electorate to now be a majority. Republican politicians, knowing their electorate, have, among other things, created a majority Court that mirrors their electorate. These ideological far right sheep(electorate) are utterly oblivious to the fact their politicans and Court could not possibly care less about them and owe allegiance only to Big Corporations from whence they get their funding, both legal and illegal.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
11:00 am
“Stop calling everything “partisan” when you don’t like it.”
Can I get an amen to that!!! You forgot “activist” also.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
11:01 am
“Probably not, but listening to Scalia parrot the right wing POLITICAL talking points during the ACA hearings was the best evidence of HIS activism…”
Just b/c the other judges keep their comments to themselves doesn’t make them anymore partisan. Scalia just has the balls to say what he thinks.
David Shivers
June 26th, 2012
11:01 am
President Obama could certainly nominate Justice Nelson to the Supreme Court but, shamefully, our donor-money-corrupted Congress would never confirm him and would give him hell in the process.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
11:03 am
The only way to offset the impact of citizen’s united is a tax upon all corporate contributions to help level that playing field between the corporate person and the real McCoy. Ninety percent should do.
Lord Help Us
June 26th, 2012
11:03 am
‘‘Is it only the “conservative” judges that are political, partisan, and activist?’’
And, a quick look at Clarence Thomas’ wife’s occupation is crazy. If the spouse of one of the more liberal supremes was engaged in overturning a law in front of the court, the right would be apocalyptic.
Lord Help Us
June 26th, 2012
11:04 am
‘Scalia just has the balls to say what he thinks.’
And it confirms his activism…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
11:04 am
Jay:
To blame a divided court on Republicans is pretty sad on your part. Many, many decisions in the court’s history have been 5 to 4. So what? Our country is divided, our Congress is divided and our presidential candidates are divided. That’s the way it is. Too bad Obama got in or we could have had a couple more justices who may have made the ruling 7 to 2. Then I suppose you would have been happy?
I didn’t like all of the court’s rulings or reasoning yesterday on the Arizona law but we are a nation of law and we must accept that or it all breaks down. We have a mechanism ……………. Constitutional Amendments if necessary.
larry
June 26th, 2012
11:05 am
I, for one, would love to see a corporation vote. Let’s move the whole building into the voting booth and vote. Since corporations are people and people vote, let’s let corporations vote.
ragnar danneskjold
June 26th, 2012
11:05 am
Justice Nelson sounds like a loopy leftist – pole dancing and a crucifix in urine and flag burning are all “protected free speech,” but we cannot have political arguments published for public consumption? Talk about looking through the wrong end of the telescope. I don’t understand why leftists object to having differing views published.
FrankLeeDarling
June 26th, 2012
11:05 am
We are going to suffer for this
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
11:05 am
“We live in sad times where the power of those with the most money is wreaking havoc on the rest of us. ”
twas ever thus …
before, they could simply bribe – now, they can launder their money in PACs and Super PACs
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
11:06 am
“We are going to suffer for this”
going to???
honey, you’re soaking in it.
RCB
June 26th, 2012
11:06 am
Thursday’s gonna be fun, Jay!
godless heathen
June 26th, 2012
11:07 am
Nelson was appointed by a Republican governor and he doesn’t represent any minority, so not much chance that President Obama would appoint him to the SCOTUS.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
11:07 am
Sounds like Jay is getting his panties in a wad b/c the SCOTUS didn’t make a decision he agrees with. So he calls them partisan, activists, etc. etc.
Will you call the “left-leaning” judges activists and partisan if Obamacare is upheld on Thursday? I just can imagine your response if it’s overturned.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
11:08 am
P.S.
“Corporations are not persons. Human beings are persons, and it is an affront to the inviolable dignity of our species that courts have created a legal fiction which forces people — human beings — to share fundamental, natural rights with soulless creations of government.”
Or he could have said:
Fetuses are not persons. Human beings are persons, and it is an affront to the inviolable dignity of our species that lower courts have created a legal fiction which forces women — human beings — to share fundamental, natural rights with unborn soulless fetuses.
SOMETIMES IT CUTS BOTH WAYS.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
11:08 am
Peadawg:
Liberals run on emotion ………… not logic.
larry
June 26th, 2012
11:08 am
And, a quick look at Clarence Thomas’ wife’s occupation is crazy.
So, he shouldn’t recuse himself because of conflict of interest ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
11:09 am
larry:
“I, for one, would love to see a corporation vote. Let’s move the whole building into the voting booth and vote. Since corporations are people and people vote, let’s let corporations vote.”
Why not? A lot of libs. want illegals to vote !
ty webb
June 26th, 2012
11:10 am
Jay does make a rather hacktastic point.
Lord Help Us
June 26th, 2012
11:10 am
numbers, your twin 11:08’s are hysterically contradictory…thanks for the belly laugh.
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
11:10 am
Since corporations are people and people vote, let’s let corporations vote.
I’ll agree that corporations are people when Texas executes one.
Lord Help Us
June 26th, 2012
11:11 am
‘So, he shouldn’t recuse himself because of conflict of interest ?’
I think so. But I am quite certain that if a similar conflict existed on the other side, the right-wing would be apocalyptic…
josef
June 26th, 2012
11:12 am
“Indeed, it is truly ironic that the death penalty and hell are reserved only to natural persons.”
THAT’s a keeper…
*********
If the “sovereign state” of Montana doesn’t like it, well, we know what they can do,,,
********
IMPEACH EARL WARREN!
larry
June 26th, 2012
11:13 am
Let’s just let illegal corporations vote then. I mean they contribute money to their PACS and Super PACS . There is no telling who has contributed what to who .
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
11:13 am
“A lot of libs. want illegals to vote ”
Not meant to be a factual statement nor can the poster prove it with any non biased info to back up the claim
But do carry on with the fantasy island diatribes
They can be pretty funny
Mary Elizabeth
June 26th, 2012
11:14 am
Paul Krugman, New York Times, March 25, 2012: (Connect the dots.)
“Now, ALEC isn’t single-handedly responsible for the corporatization of our political life; its influence is as much a symptom as a cause. But shining a light on ALEC and its supporters — a roster that includes many companies, from AT&T and Coca-Cola to UPS, that have so far managed to avoid being publicly associated with the hard-right agenda — is one good way to highlight what’s going on. And that kind of knowledge is what we need to start taking our country back.”
NOTE: Coca-Cola has now withdrawn from ALEC.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/opinion/krugman-lobbyists-guns-and-money.html?_r=3&ref=opinion
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 26th, 2012
11:14 am
money does not equal free speech.
somebody put that on a bumper sticker already.
I’ll post it right next to:
“Jesus is coming. Look busy.”
and
“Keep honkin’, I’m re-loadin’”
Jefferson
June 26th, 2012
11:14 am
Speech is just that, anything other than what comes from the mouth is BS. BS is the law, accepted.
larry
June 26th, 2012
11:15 am
I’ll agree that corporations are people when Texas executes one.
Can you imagine the size of the straps ? And the needle? goodness.
It would take years to build the table.
FrankLeeDarling
June 26th, 2012
11:16 am
Indeed USinUK,pass the bath salts.
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
11:16 am
Not meant to be a factual statement nor can the poster prove it with any non biased info to back up the claim
Combine that statement with the fact that the same poster claims liberals run on emotion, and you begin to get the appearance that the poster is a SNL writer trying out material before taping.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
11:16 am
Scout
Hope you enjoyed the fay at six flags with the kids. based on some of your posts, it appears you may have gotten to much sun…… It was hot yesterday
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 26th, 2012
11:17 am
When are Republicans going to sign a pledge to the USA?
They signed a pledge to Grover Norquist but not to the USA? Who the heck is Grover Norquist? Is he the last person any parents ever gave that name to?
Shawny
June 26th, 2012
11:17 am
“States’ rights, it seems, must bow to corporate power in the Roberts court.”
States rights are good in this posting, but others…..
RCB
June 26th, 2012
11:17 am
Florida was trying to remove non-US citizens from its voter rolls, but Holder put a stop to that as “discriminatory” just a week or so ago. Guess the dems get to keep those votes. What does it take to remove would-be voters who are not entitled to vote!!!!
Moon Mullins
June 26th, 2012
11:18 am
The March of the Plutocrats continues. And, the Drum Majors are the non-Activist conservative Justices of the Supreme Court.
They enjoy the hunting trips and junkets sponsored by the Plutocrats as much as the blood-sucking politicians. At least the Judicial and Legislative Branches have that much in common.
td
June 26th, 2012
11:18 am
“he increasingly partisan nature of the court is not an accident. It did not occur by magic, but by concerted effort. For at least a quarter of a century, the Republican Party has made the creation of such a court one of its primary goals.”
That is pretty lame Jay. The Dems have been doing the same exact thing since FDR and you know it and will not admit it. Can you name the last strict constructionist Clinton, Obama or Carter named to the court? Was it not the Dems that changed the rules a few years ago and made political philosophy a criteria as important as a ABA score?
hewhoasks
June 26th, 2012
11:18 am
At one time there was a concept of something called “embracery.”
I think Wikipedia understates the full scope of it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embracery
Basically, as I understand it, embracery is the rendering of a verdict or decision on the basis of other than the evidence presented, with that being done to satisfy some external agenda. It can be committed by a jury/juror or by a judge/panel of judges.
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 26th, 2012
11:18 am
“Since corporations are people and people vote, let’s let corporations vote”
Why not? Corporations pay taxes and ‘No taxation without representation’…..right?
Jefferson
June 26th, 2012
11:18 am
In 2000 the GOP controlled all bodies of gov’t, court,exec,and legislative, see what that led to….
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
11:19 am
Bro
Not sure if it is sad, funny or both what some people post on here and actually believe. That goes for those of all political stripes
ty webb
June 26th, 2012
11:19 am
Jay, shouldn’t you be at Hartsfield welcoming the president to the ATL?
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
11:19 am
Scout
“the day………..”
excuse me
Shawny
June 26th, 2012
11:19 am
“For at least a quarter of a century, the Republican Party has made the creation of such a court one of its primary goals.”
Really? Reagan appointed a centrist. Bush I appointed a LIBERAL.
larry
June 26th, 2012
11:19 am
Who the heck is Grover Norquist?
Maybe he was named after Grover from Sesame Street.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
11:20 am
ty
He is already there………
Tundra Dude
June 26th, 2012
11:21 am
Corporate Personhood, an example of American Exceptionalism….?
Is The USA The Only Nation in the World With Corporate Personhood?
It’s not surprising to learn that no nation on earth enshrines in its constitution the right of corporate personhood.
Mila Versteeg, associate law professor at the University of Virginia, is probably the only person in the world to have read every constitution that has been written since 1946– constitutions from 186 nations. She’s not only read them, she’s quantified them, in terms of the rights that they define. That was part of a project she did while at Oxford.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-kall/is-the-usa-the-only-natio_b_1262525.html
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
11:22 am
They BOTH suck:
Yes it “was” hot but had lots of fun !
ty webb
June 26th, 2012
11:22 am
“Who the heck is Grover Norquist?”
popular “boogeyman” for the left…see also “Fox News”, “Koch bros”, “Big Oil”, and the oldie but goodie, “Haliburton”.
ty webb
June 26th, 2012
11:23 am
“He is already there……… ”
stalker alert!
Mike
June 26th, 2012
11:24 am
And the democrats will be the first in line to take these allowable contributions. They just have to feign outrage over a decision like this. Kinda like President Obama and the super PACs, right?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
11:24 am
UH OH ! Did someone not tell President Carter that this is a campaign year ???
Headline: “Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of ‘Widespread Abuse of Human Rights’ ”
“A former U.S. president is accusing the current president of sanctioning the “widespread abuse of human rights” by authorizing drone strikes to kill suspected terrorists.”
http://news.yahoo.com/jimmy-carter-accuses-u-widespread-abuse-human-rights-154057442–abc-news-politics.html
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
11:25 am
They BOTH
I’m with you. I don’t know how to classify it. I just usually say, “Bless his/her heart”, and keep right on going….
Ol' Timer
June 26th, 2012
11:25 am
RCB — You fit right into the category of those who KNOW, but so much of what you know JUST AIN’T SO!
MiltonMan
June 26th, 2012
11:26 am
Good God Jay you all of sudden think the SC is partisan??? Ever heard of Dred Scott (7-2 decision nonetheless) or how about Roe vs. Wade?
All branches & all levels of government are partisan now. Get over it.
Lord Help Us
June 26th, 2012
11:26 am
‘UH OH ! Did someone not tell President Carter that this is a campaign year ???’
numbers, what an emotional way to begin a post…
yuzeyurbrane
June 26th, 2012
11:26 am
It is probably too late. Argentina here we come. A monied oligarchy in which the wealthy live behind gated communities with armed private police. And who venture out only with armed bodyguards because crime is so rampant. This will be hell on Earth for most people and even the older haves may wistfully recall the good old times of liberal democracy.
larry
June 26th, 2012
11:26 am
Why not? Corporations pay taxes and ‘No taxation without representation’…..right?
Okay , who is going to vote on behalf of the corporation then ?
What if I , said employee of the corporation, do not agree with whom the corporation votes for?
Do they have the right to represent me? If they use the money i make them to give to a candidate i dont agree with , is that right ?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 26th, 2012
11:27 am
Bottom line, the Supreme Court has always been the Body that could protect and defend or end our Democratic Republic way of life. The American citizen has been rendered moot.
The history books will mark this decision as the end of the “American Way’ and the beginning of the “corporate way”.
Next we will see the stars in our flag replaced with corporate logos…sold to the highest bidders, of course.
TGT
June 26th, 2012
11:29 am
Definition of a “partisan court” (as Wingfield alluded to yesterday): Anytime a court rules in a way that doesn’t fit with liberal ideology.
Just wait. This is nothing compared to the wailing we will hear on Thursday after Obamacare is overturned.
“Corporations aren’t people!”–Until it’s tax time.
RCB
June 26th, 2012
11:30 am
@old timer–Such as?
East Cobb RINO
June 26th, 2012
11:32 am
So if corporations are people and these “people” spend their money slandering and libeling another person, it stands to reason they should be held accountable for their false statements just as a real person would be held liable.
TDone
June 26th, 2012
11:32 am
So if Labor Unions give to political campaiigns, that’s cool.
RCB
June 26th, 2012
11:32 am
Ol’ timer, no disrespect on misspelling!
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 26th, 2012
11:32 am
“Why not? Corporations pay taxes and ‘No taxation without representation’…..right?”
Corporations have always had representation…they’re called Lobbyists…
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
11:33 am
Definition of a “partisan court” (as Wingfield alluded to yesterday): Anytime a court rules in a way that doesn’t fit with liberal ideology.
Is that any different than conservatives yammering about activist judges when they rule in any way that doesn’t fit with conservative ideology?
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
11:33 am
The increasingly partisan nature of the court is not an accident. It did not occur by magic, but by concerted effort. For at least a quarter of a century, the Republican Party has made the creation of such a court one of its primary goals.
Let’s say it formally started in 1982, when the Federalist Society was established.
Jay
June 26th, 2012
11:33 am
Sorry Milton, Roe v. Wade was decided 7-2, along nonpartisan lines. One of the two dissents was from Byron White, a Kennedy appointee. Conservatives such as Lewis Powell and Potter Stewart voted with the majority.
The fiction that Roe v. Wade must have been partisan is itself evidence of how partisan the court has become.
weetamoe
June 26th, 2012
11:34 am
Tell Jeffrey Skilling that corporations are not persons. The question of campaign donations/financing was decided by Obama in 2008. The preview of this event was Gore’s *no controlling authority* excuse in the 90’s. Except for those who apparently understand Obama when he according to Jay Carney *speaks shorthand* the majority of voters are or should be too smart to be swayed by the usually entertaining campaign ads. If the problem is as serious as the wringing of hands in some quarters suggests, the best solution is a literacy test as a voting requirement. The more speech the better, the more literate the voters the better. Okay?
willydoit?
June 26th, 2012
11:35 am
Were they partisan when:
“Supremes overturn much of Arizona immigration law”?
or when:
“Supreme Court restricts impact of Ga. immigration law”?
larry
June 26th, 2012
11:36 am
Just wait. This is nothing compared to the wailing we will hear on Thursday after Obamacare is overturned.
Alot of people are going to be wailing. 1.1 million young adults that were insured on their parents policies. 5.1 million people who’s saving on prescription drugs under Medicare. 67,000 people who were part of a high risk insurance pool for people with pre-existing conditions. And over 360,000 small businesses who recieved tax credits for their health insurance. I guess they will have to pay those back.
Jay
June 26th, 2012
11:37 am
No, TDone, labor ought to abide by the same rules as corporations.
godless heathen
June 26th, 2012
11:37 am
ajc headline: BBB warns about ‘Obama’ scam.
Talking Head
June 26th, 2012
11:37 am
Before Citizens United, individuals could indeed spend unlimited sums on independent advertising directly supporting or opposing candidates however they would not be able to remain anonymous. Citizens United has led, indirectly but surely, to the emergence of Super PACs. But it is up to Congress, not the Supreme Court, to fix the disclosure problems with Super PACs.
Rightwing Troll
June 26th, 2012
11:38 am
What a conundrum for “states rights” wingnuts… on the one hand they must support the idiot Sherrif Joe, on the other they must not support the state of Montana…
What a conundrum…
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
11:38 am
So if Labor Unions give to political campaiigns, that’s cool.
Try to keep up. The SCOTUS limited those corrupting forces last week. No such limits are placed on corporations.
http://www.alternet.org/news/156003/how_the_supreme_court%27s_%27knox_v._seiu%27_decision_could_dismantle_union_security_around_the_country
Lord Help Us
June 26th, 2012
11:39 am
Why is it (IMO) the same people that rail about media bias and judicial activism share two common traits:
1. they watch fox
2. they advocate for supremes like Thomas, Scalia and Alito
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
11:40 am
“Definition of a “partisan court” (as Wingfield alluded to yesterday): Anytime a court rules in a way that doesn’t fit with liberal ideology.”
And if Obamacare is upheld I can guarantee you Kyle, Hannity, et al will be screaming partisan/activist judges.
It works both ways. Those of us in the middle get the laugh at the hypocrisy.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
11:40 am
Lord Help Us !
“numbers, what an emotional way to begin a post…”
Now what about Carter’s statement ?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
June 26th, 2012
11:40 am
For Pete’s sake, don’t go looking under the robes of these SC judges. Hard to tell what you might see. I always suspicioned that if you looked under this Sotomayor’s robe, you’d see a big old Tallywacker. And a couple those men look a little squishy to me—josef’s persuasion, if you know what I mean.
Anyhow, let’s let the SC be. Just tell me when to bend over and drop my pants. That’s all I need to know. I don’t even know why we go to the trouble of electing Congress. It’s these 9 people that decide what the law is. Me, I’m kinda looking forward to meeting one of these Corporations in the voting booth. Who knows, maybe there would be a better job for me. I always wanted to get the chance to hobnob with the Job Creators.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
11:40 am
numbers, what an emotional way to begin a post…
Didn’t he already post this yesterday?
Jay
June 26th, 2012
11:41 am
“But it is up to Congress, not the Supreme Court, to fix the disclosure problems with Super PACs.”
Except that when Congress tried, it was blocked by a Republican filibuster, another case of the GOP ignoring traditional standards on when filibusters should be used and instead using it as part of all-out partisan war.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
11:42 am
The modern day GOP is the largest collection of cowards in the long history of our nation.
Not just because almost none of them ever served in uniform when their country needed them, but because they love artificial entities more than living, breathing human beings.
The spineless neocons actually WANT to simply give up their god given role – paid for in human blood – as the supreme authority in OUR government over to their artificial heroes on Wall Street!
Who just F’ed them to the tune of $10Trillion!
God help us.
Unless and until these cowards die off, we are hopelessly screwed…
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
11:43 am
“1. they watch fox
2. they advocate for supremes like Thomas, Scalia and Alito”
3. Their name is Jay Bookman.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
11:43 am
O.K. Jay/Libs. You asked for it again:
“If in the opinion of the People, the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed.”
George Washington
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
11:43 am
But it is up to Congress, not the Supreme Court, to fix the disclosure problems with Super PACs.
Yeah, well when they try to do that, they get this from the Goopers.
http://rpc.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=latest-posts&ContentRecord_id=042d6b25-3954-4de1-9537-c6040a64fde6
Lord Help Us
June 26th, 2012
11:45 am
‘Now what about Carter’s statement ?’
It is a valid point. Do you agree with Jimmah?
However, IMO, people such as yourself that dial in to comments like these, yet frequently advocate for draconian military action are partisan hacks…
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
11:45 am
“Not just because almost none of them ever served in uniform when their country needed them”
Did the Democrat 3 head honchos (Pelosi, Reid, Obama) serve?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
11:46 am
Ooops !
Headline: “DEMS OUT OF CASH: MAY CANCEL CONVENTION KICKOFF”
Gee ……… I was so looking forward to watching that.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 26th, 2012
11:47 am
Scout,
George Washington would cry if he could see what his efforts and the sacrifices of his men have brought today. He’d probably wonder if it was worth it and decide he should have surrendered.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
11:48 am
Lord help us:
“It is a valid point.Do you agree with Jimmah?”
In general no. I call ‘em like I see ‘em. One of the few things Obama has done right is to kill terrorists. The more the better.
P.S. Can you believe Former President Carter was an officer on a nuclear submarine?
I hope he didn’t have anything to do with the firing of those missles.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
11:49 am
Liberals run on emotion ………… not logic.
So proclaims the sanctimonious, self-righteous the author of the word Occutard.
The man is an emotional basket case…
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
11:49 am
Noobs:
You can read Scout’s (aka 0311/8541…) posts.
or you can just go here:
http://drudgereport.com/
same thing.
CJ
June 26th, 2012
11:50 am
RE: “labor ought to abide by the same rules as corporations”
And vice versa.
After a Supreme Court decision last week, Knox vs. SEIU, public-employee unions must request and receive pre-approval from their members before spending money on political activity. Fair enough. But do corporations have to get such approval from their shareholders? Of course not.
Kennedy, Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas are corporatists, and we live in a plutocracy.
Lord Help Us
June 26th, 2012
11:51 am
‘Can you believe Former President Carter was an officer on a nuclear submarine?’
Sure, I can believe it based on the fact that it is true. From your wording, that seemed difficult for you…
So, why are you worried about what Carter has to say? From your postings, you seem to have little respect for him…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
11:52 am
Normal Free…Pro Human Rights Thug…And liking it! :
I think the great, great majority of our founding fathers would be saddened by the way our Constitution has been prostituted over the years (sometimes by liberals and sometimes by conservatives).
The only true course is to accept it for what it says. Strict constructionism. It is a CONTRACT between the American people and their form of government. Contracts don’t change. They are interpreted by judges but they don’t change and they sure don’t breathe.
If they need changing they are renegotiated (Constitutional Amendments).
Paul
June 26th, 2012
11:52 am
I was surprised by the Court’s refusal to reconsider. The points about what would happen were brought up before the Court in the original pleadings and were rejected with an astonished “but that could never happen!” brush-off. Wyoming said, yes, what you dismissed is in fact what happened. And still they refused reconsideration.
I agree Wyoming Justice Nelson presented a real-world, logical, reasoned opinion. As far as naming him to the Supreme Court, my initial thought was “he could pass – all Republicans care about is abortion.” Then right on cue, there was Scout with the abortion thing.
Downside it, this may be the one addition to abortion that conservatives get impassioned about. “Money is speech and the more speech the better!” Yeah, they’ll convince themselves of that, too.
I did notice that there were plenty of posts of the ‘Jay’s whining again” variety, but near as I could tell, not one of those bloggers would state why they agree with the Court’s decision and think the Wyoming court had it wrong.
Then again, that’s not a surprise, is it?
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
11:54 am
James Earl Carter is a highly decorated naval officer and Annapolis graduate who rose from poverty to lead the free world.
He has a Nobel Peace Prize and orchestrated the single greatest act of American statesmanship in the Middle East – arguably anywhere in the world – in our nation’s modern history.
He is a devout family man and the epitome of a humble, giving Christian.
And he absolutely loves this country.
As for Scout?
You decide…
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
11:55 am
And still they refused reconsideration.
In other news, de Nile is not just a river in Egypt.
East Cobb RINO
June 26th, 2012
11:55 am
My prediction for the individual mandate is 6-3 ruling it is constitutional, with Thomas, Scalia and Alito in the minority.
And if is is shot down, then I need to file suit against the state of Ga for mandating I have to purchase a product from the private market against my wishes. Auto insurance. The same logic that concluded uninsured motorists were driving up the cost for everyone else can be applied to health care. And the argument that a person can choose to drive or not does not hold up today. Go ahead and try to get around in any but a handful of cities without your own personal vehicle. It is ironic the same states arguing the government cannot force citizens to purchase a product have such a law in place and have had it for roughly the past 30 years.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
11:55 am
Lord Help Us:
I think you miss the point. If former President Carter is worried now about civilian casualites as a result of drone strikes ………. how would he ever have “pulled the trigger” on a nuke sub. ?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
11:57 am
Jay hyperbole
Assuming mandate gets struck down, expect this from Obama an probably jay: the mandate was a republican idea
They won’t have much of substance to day
Lord Help Us
June 26th, 2012
11:57 am
Jam, in addition to your 11:54. Jimmy is a good man.
You may disagree with his policies, but, he is a good, honest man.
I admire his accomplishments before, during and after his Presidency.
PJ
June 26th, 2012
11:57 am
CU will be the down fall of this nation:
When immanent domain is brought and sold and people lose their land because some corporation finds oil or wants to build a mall.
When the military is totally a contracted body of members answering to no one but the CEO.
When schools and hospitals close because they all will be owned by private entities looking for profits.
When police and fire protection must be paid for out of pocket because cities will no longer run them but board of directors will.
When all roads are toll roads with stock holders wanting more dividends.
When museums, zoos and aquariums are no longer viewed as necessary to society because of low profit margins.
When animal shelters, women and children shelters, homeless shelters and the like are all closed since all their problems are deemed unimportant and private business see no money making opportunities.
When the United Corporate of America writes a new constitution and no longer even need to buy political influence because the will be running everything anyway then maybe the sleeping half of this country will see that they have wrought but by then it will be to late.
The auctioneer says going, going, gone. The United States of America – Sold to the highest bidder.
ty webb
June 26th, 2012
11:58 am
“James Earl Carter is a highly decorated naval officer and Annapolis graduate who rose from poverty to lead the free world.”
I guess “lead” means different things to different people.
Cosby
June 26th, 2012
11:58 am
Surprise…Obama appointed two (2) radicals to the Supreme Court that had distate to the constitution and now you bash them. Of course Arizona was told they could not protect their citizens as that was the Federal Governments job. I did not realize illegals had constitutional rights. Yes, the mighty Supreme Court is just another Political Arm of government pandering to any special interest group that can get their attention. But not to worry, Obama and Holder have total disregard for the law anyway, so this should not be a big deal. Obama will just use the IRS to harass the corprate donars and all will be well!!
RB from Gwinnett
June 26th, 2012
11:59 am
Jay, there was a time when “journalists” were impartial too.
Hypocrite.
MiltonMan
June 26th, 2012
11:59 am
“James Earl Carter is a highly decorated naval officer and Annapolis graduate who rose from poverty to lead the free world.”
He was not poor or lived in poverty.
Lord Help Us
June 26th, 2012
12:00 pm
‘I think you miss the point. If former President Carter is worried now about civilian casualites as a result of drone strikes ………. how would he ever have “pulled the trigger” on a nuke sub. ?’
I believe he would have followed orders…but, then again, I do not obsess over things that no longer matter…
godless heathen
June 26th, 2012
12:00 pm
Paul, Wyoming, Montana, all the same.
East Cobb RINO: And if is is shot down, then I need to file suit against the state of Ga for mandating I have to purchase a product from the private market against my wishes. Auto insurance.
Good analogy if Georgia forced you to buy a car.
Jimmy62
June 26th, 2012
12:02 pm
Just like the Arizona immigration law, state law cannot supersede federal law. It’s already been establish that the 1st Amendment applies to corporations (which are simply groups of people), so Montana’s law is unconstitutional. I hardly see how this is activist judging.
I guess from Jay’s perspective, anything he disagrees with is activist.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
12:02 pm
” the mandate was a republican idea”
It was. What’s your point?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
12:02 pm
1) “James Earl Carter is a highly decorated naval officer and Annapolis graduate who rose from poverty to lead the free world.”
Yes he did and then the great majority of the American people threw him out of office for making such a big mess of it.
2) “He has a Nobel Peace Prize and orchestrated the single greatest act of American statesmanship in the Middle East – arguably anywhere in the world – in our nation’s modern history.”
On this you are correct. (Note: the present administration has now assisted in an Egyptian revolution that puts all of this in dire jeopardy)
3) He is a devout family man and the epitome of a humble, giving Christian.
On this you are correct but it has nothing to do with his beliefs on how best to “physically” fight evil and terrorism.
4) “And he absolutely loves this country.”
Yes you are correct ……….. but that is separate from doing what’s “best” for one’s country.
Do I have to use my real name?
June 26th, 2012
12:03 pm
Geez, this sure is depressing Jay. What can we do though?
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
12:03 pm
how would he ever have “pulled the trigger” on a nuke sub. ?
What an utterly stupid question.
Are you sure that you actually served in the US military?
No, ty. It means what it means. Unless you talk in Republispeak.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
12:04 pm
This column is complete Bunk jay and you know it
The court is non partisan
Witness the AZ immigration ruling
Or is your short term failing you also?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
12:04 pm
“You may disagree with his policies, but, he is a good, honest man.”
Neville Chamberlain was a good, honest man.
JKL2
June 26th, 2012
12:04 pm
George Soros says,”MoveOn.org. Nothing to see here…”
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
12:04 pm
Good analogy if Georgia forced you to buy a car.
Try working in GA without one. It’s possible, just not very doable.
ty webb
June 26th, 2012
12:04 pm
“Geez, this sure is depressing Jay. What can we do though?”
I’ll take this for Jay…”always vote democrat”.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
12:06 pm
(Note: the present administration has now assisted in an Egyptian revolution that puts all of this in dire jeopardy)
Not intended to be a factual statement.
(Yeah, Egypt’s totally gonna attack a nuclear-armed Israel. Where do you guys get this crap?)
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
12:07 pm
“And if is is shot down, then I need to file suit against the state of Ga for mandating I have to purchase a product from the private market against my wishes. Auto insurance.”
God why do people bring this analogy up like it means something. It doesn’t. If you don’t own a car, you obviously don’t need car insurance. Ding dong.
Mark in mid-town
June 26th, 2012
12:07 pm
Even for the standards of the resident hack at the AJC, this blog post is especailly partisan and intellectually dishonest. What else is new?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
12:07 pm
Peadawg
That democrats won’t defend their own policy and legislative decisions
And they have no ground to stand on other than blaming someone else – their current modis operandi
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:08 pm
“I’ll agree that corporations are people when Texas executes one.”
and that is why I’m saving up my love for Brocephus
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
12:08 pm
“short term” memory
Lord Help Us
June 26th, 2012
12:09 pm
‘Neville Chamberlain was a good, honest man.’
numbers, this is an example of an emotional response. It has no meaning and serves no other purpose.
I, for one, would like to see more good, honest men (and women) in politics…in all of civilization, actually…
hippy warlord
June 26th, 2012
12:09 pm
Would not want to be a Supreme at the gates of heaven….god bless them, they will need it
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
12:09 pm
0311 — “Or he could have said: Fetuses are not persons. Human beings are persons, and it is an affront to the inviolable dignity of our species that lower courts have created a legal fiction which forces women — human beings — to share fundamental, natural rights with unborn soulless fetuses.”
I’m pretty sure that the political speech of feti wasn’t at issue here.
“SOMETIMES IT CUTS BOTH WAYS.”
When a woman gives birth to a corporation, then I’ll give some credence to your argument.
Jay
June 26th, 2012
12:10 pm
“Jay, there was a time when “journalists” were impartial too.
RB, was there ever a time when opinion writers didn’t have opinions and were, to use your term. “impartial”?
You’re being foolish. Again.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:11 pm
“Obama appointed two (2) radicals to the Supreme Court that had distate to the constitution”
I agree – Roberts, Scalia and that cabal DOES have a distaste for the constitution
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
12:11 pm
0311 — “Why not? A lot of libs. want illegals to vote !”
I’d like to see you show me ONE regular liberal poster here who wants that.
IMO, you’re either making that up or lying outright.
zeke
June 26th, 2012
12:11 pm
the conservs on court are corruptable; they deny montana states rights on controlling campaign expenditures, but then say az ok on asking for papers…..i guess i missed something
Erwin's cat
June 26th, 2012
12:12 pm
ah meh…the pendulum swings both ways…
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
12:13 pm
It’s already been establish that the 1st Amendment applies to corporations (which are simply groups of people), so Montana’s law is unconstitutional.
Are you sure that rights that are conferred to an INDIVIDUAL can also be applied as blanket rights for a group without fail? What if one person within that group has done something to have their rights revoked? Do they automatically regain that right simply because they belong to specific group? I don’t agree with your synopsis one bit as I don’t think there can be a blanket right for groups based on the rights of an individual. That’s just my opinion though, and I don’t wear a robe for a living.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
12:13 pm
You know, if you want to argue the court is partisan, then it takes two sides to have two parts
So: we need to get rid of this awful four “partisan” justices (at least jay claims they’re partisan)
Me, less so.
Peter
June 26th, 2012
12:13 pm
YUP……. We live in sad times where the power of those with the most money is wreaking havoc on the rest of us. It will take Americans awhile to figure this out, and hopefully we’ll reverse the course and damage, but it will take time. Americans, in general, are pretty clueless.
Imagine our world if Bush wasn’t given the presidency in the first place ?
East Cobb RINO
June 26th, 2012
12:13 pm
Good analogy if Georgia forced you to buy a car.
********************************************
Consider the employment/educational/shopping/medical opportuniies & needs of those who live where there is not public transportation or even taxi service. Even in the lily white northern suburbs the the ATL, managing your life without a vehicle is impossible unless your are in the 1% and have a personal limo driver.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:14 pm
OFF TOPIC ALERT:
for those who, like me, were cringing at Lincoln, Vampire Hunter, here’s a little something to at least make you chuckle:
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/abraham-lincoln-vampire-hunter?before=1340686297
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:15 pm
“When a woman gives birth to a corporation, then I’ll give some credence to your argument.”
doctor, we’re gonna need a bigger epidural
Obama is over
June 26th, 2012
12:15 pm
One of the reasons that the Obama presidency has not been effective is that he allowed special interest groups, lobbyists, and corporations to design his signiture pieces of legislation. Pharmaceudical companies, insurance companies, organized labor, and other special interest groups all paid lobbying fees and ultimately distorted Obamacare to the point where it is not a functional piece of legislation. The banking industry wrote key components of the Dodd-Frank bill. Consequently like Obamacare, we ended up with a complex set of rules with numerous special interest loopholes that only adds to the cost of doing business for consumers while not protecting the country from systematic failure in the financial markets. I find your comments on the state’s maintaining integrity in the voter process interesting in that you are against voter id requirements and support Eric Holder while he is preventing state’s from auditing voter registration lists to insure accuracy. I guess in Obamaland it is o.k. to require a picture id to check out a library book or buy some whisky, but when it comes to something as important as voting, picture ids represent discrimination. And Holder’s activities are o.k.as long as those dead people and folks that no longer live in the state vote for Obama. My point here is that cash corrupts both parties and the SCOTUS would not be involved in overturning all of Obama’s legislation if he hadn’t opened Panadora’s cash box to begin with. Romney’s first order of business will be to repeal most of the legislation enacted since 2008.
carlosgvv
June 26th, 2012
12:16 pm
Jay, it takes much research and effort for you to write these essays and it took years of college study and “on the job” training to reach your editorial level.
I can only wonder how it feels to post one of these essays after hours of hard work and see the middle and high school Christian Academy dummies attack it with their blind dogma and profound ignorance.
Maybe you should move to New York and go to work for the Times. At least those responding to your posts would be many cuts above the mindless you have to put up with here.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:17 pm
“see the middle and high school Christian Academy dummies attack it with their blind dogma and profound ignorance”
fish gotta swim … bird gotta fly …
barking frog
June 26th, 2012
12:18 pm
If PPACA is constitutional
Georgia can force you to
buy a car.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
12:18 pm
This period in American history is brought to you by A T&T.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
12:18 pm
East Cobb RINO
June 26th, 2012
12:13 pm
Does GA or anyone force you to buy a car? No? Stfu then. Thanks.
Now, if the gov’t forces every to buy a car from GM, then we’ll talk.
Gordon
June 26th, 2012
12:18 pm
“Congress shall make no law”
The 5 best words in the English language.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
12:19 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
“Equal Rights for Unborn Women”
PJ
June 26th, 2012
12:19 pm
Citizens of the US are required by law to buy insurace already; it call Social Security.
“In the United States, Social Security refers to the Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance (OASDI) federal program.[1] The original Social Security Act (1935)[2] and the current version of the Act, as amended[3] encompass several social welfare and social insurance programs.”
So why not health insurance?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
12:19 pm
0311 — “Yes he did and then the great majority of the American people threw him out of office for making such a big mess of it.”
Hey, 0311.
The country was effed up long before Carter took office.
Wage and price freezes? Nixon did that, not Carter. Arab oil embargo? Nixon’s term, not Carter’s. A President’s response to high inflation is to print up “Whip Inflation Now” buttons? That’s Ford, not Carter.
Carter didn’t do a very good job, to be sure, but he, just like President Obama, inherited a country that Republicans had thoroughly bunged up well before he took charge.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
12:20 pm
Usinuk that movie is absurd, and sad
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
12:21 pm
One of the reasons that the Obama presidency has not been effective is that he allowed special interest groups, lobbyists, and corporations to design his signiture pieces of legislation.
#1 That would not be Obama’s fault as he signs legislation. Congress is responsible for penning legislation that has to pass both houses before going to the president to be signed into law. One cannot “lead from behind” as the conservative mantra goes while also being the person writing legislation that goes before Congress. If he were writing legislation, then he would be doing the job of both the Executive and Legislative Branches. That would definitely not be a shining example of “leading from behind”.
#2 What you describe is no different than what has been done under any recent administration. If you’re just now seeing a problem with it, then maybe you have a problem more with the administration than the actions/behaviors. Also, I’ll point out again that Congress is responsible for writing legislation and not the WH.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
12:21 pm
Which part of you lost the class war did you not understand.
Stop crying and start bowing down like the cons.
barking frog
June 26th, 2012
12:22 pm
SS and Medicare are not
privately owned.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:22 pm
JHM – in fact, it was CARTER that appointed Paul Volcker
A dad
June 26th, 2012
12:23 pm
If I had to peek under Ginsberg, Sotomayor, or Kagan’s robes I bet I’d barf…
PJ
June 26th, 2012
12:23 pm
getalife @12:18 pm
Very funny! Thanks.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
12:23 pm
0311 — “Joe Hussein Mama: “Equal Rights for Unborn Women”
0311 — “Repeating Whatever The Voices Happen To Say To Me
getalife
June 26th, 2012
12:23 pm
frog,
The gop will change that.
Matti
June 26th, 2012
12:24 pm
USinUK: “doctor, we’re gonna need a bigger epidural”
Haha… Indeed.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
12:24 pm
Pj
If obamacare was set up like ssi, it would be legal
But it’s not like ssi
JustSoFunny
June 26th, 2012
12:24 pm
SCOTUS = a joke. At best.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
12:25 pm
USinUK — “JHM – in fact, it was CARTER that appointed Paul Volcker”
I knowit, and a great appointment it was.
Reagan gave Volcker his walking papers and installed that nitwit Greenspan in his place. And guess who’s got the better reputation among economists today? Guess whose phone rings, and it’s someone in Washington on the other end?
Hint: not Greenspan
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
12:25 pm
PJ
June 26th, 2012
12:19 pm
Some people are exempt from paying the social security tax.
Next.
PJ
June 26th, 2012
12:25 pm
Statement: SS and Medicare are not privately owned.
Response: Public Option
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
12:26 pm
JamVet:
“how would he ever have “pulled the trigger” on a nuke sub. ?”
Now we all know there may not be a “trigger” per se: (although someone has to push a final button).
My point was that I hoped Carter was not one of the officers whose job was to authenticate the command codes to launch a nuclear strike. Based on his later views, I now question if he would have had the fortitude to carry out those responsibilities.
Hopefully, like Ensign Pulver, he was in charge of “laundry and morale”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUOjtPiVqs8&feature=related
barking frog
June 26th, 2012
12:26 pm
getalife
yep. if they can.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 26th, 2012
12:27 pm
Peadawg, I can respect when someone has a different opinion than me. But I will only STFU when I am good and ready, not when someone who disagrees me says so. But you could always incorporate as Peadawg, Inc, spend lots of $$$ and coninue to practice your free speech.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
12:28 pm
cons should have corporate tattoos to show their team spirit.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
12:28 pm
frog,
Who will stop them?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
12:28 pm
Joe Hussein Mama @ 12:19
Laughable !
“Carter didn’t do a very good job, to be sure,”
Good to see you admit it.
P.S. How disrespectful of a former president for you to voice such sentiments publicly !
RB from Gwinnett
June 26th, 2012
12:28 pm
Jay, are you finally admitting you are only a hyper partisan opinion writer and not a journalist? Post it and I’ll stop holding you to the standard of a journalist.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
12:29 pm
“Peadawg, I can respect when someone has a different opinion than me”
Funny thing is my “opinion” about not being forced to buy a car is actually fact.
Unless you have a link that proves otherwise.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:29 pm
“Reagan gave Volcker his walking papers and installed that nitwit Greenspan in his place. ”
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again … Greenspan is evil.
Jim163
June 26th, 2012
12:30 pm
“Citizens of the US are required by law to buy insurace already; it call Social Security.”
The court ruled that it was tied to the 16th amendment as it was paid for by a tax on income. The ACA was not tied to income, but was mandated to everyone regardless of income.
scrappy
June 26th, 2012
12:30 pm
So, how do we reverse this?
Create a US constitutional amendment that specifically states that corporations are not people & are not afforded constitutional human rights, only rights afforded to them as legal entities?
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:31 pm
“My point was that I hoped Carter was not one of the officers whose job was to authenticate the command codes to launch a nuclear strike”
you’re such an effing wanker, Scout.
He served this country proudly and well and all you can do is ooze your slime.
nice respect you show fellow vets.
Jim163
June 26th, 2012
12:31 pm
Now we all know there may not be a “trigger” per se
Actually there is a trigger…
PJ
June 26th, 2012
12:31 pm
Peadawg 12:25 pm
I was giving an example of a national insurance policy. You’re exempt from car inurance if you don’t own a car. There are and always will be exemptions to any entity. My point was to say that it’s not unprecedented .
josef
June 26th, 2012
12:31 pm
RB
Really, Mec, get over that silliness. Agree or disagree with the Imam he is paid to give his opinion. He’s not a reporter who is paid to give the news. Both are journalists.
barking frog
June 26th, 2012
12:33 pm
getalife
dems currently. in the
future maybe no one.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
12:34 pm
0311 — “Joe Hussein Mama @ 12:19 Laughable !”
Laugh all you want. But you can’t refute a single word of it. Consequently, I’ll take your laughing as your spluttering, bereft-of-a-response concession.
“Good to see you admit it.”
Your memory isn’t working very well. How many times have I had to tell you that I was a REPUBLICAN up until 2003?
“P.S. How disrespectful of a former president for you to voice such sentiments publicly !”
It’s a shame that you can’t call out your own ideological compatriots on *their* daily vitriol. Then again, given the lack of character you demonstrate here on a daily basis, I’m not a bit surprised.
Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
12:35 pm
A dad @ 12:23
Aren’t you just so witty?
The buying of American’s politicians has been a matter of concern for many years. Teddy Roosevelt didn’t want corporations to have any influence in politics for the very reason we are seeing today. The people, live human beings, have a harder and harder time having their voice heard. We have now recognized that legal fictions, i.e. business organizations and unions (although public employee unions were further restricted in this last week by the Supreme Court) are people too and have the same rights as human beings.
I have a hard time squaring that with the intentions of our Founding Fathers. There is nothing to suggest they recognized rights in anything other than individual living persons. Further there is not to suggest they would have considered money to be speech. For them, speech was speech.
For a Court that claims to want to adhere to the original intent of the Founders, asserting that money is speech and that corporations and other legal fictions are “persons”, is indeed hard to comprehend.
The only way out of this problem is a constitutional amendment that would establish that money is not speech in the context of the 1st Amendment right to free speech and that rights are inherent in living persons, not organizations or other legal fictions.
I doubt I will see that amendment become the law of the land in my lifetime but I hope for the sake of my children and grandchildren it does.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:35 pm
from Wiki …
On December 12, 1952, an accident with the experimental NRX reactor at Atomic Energy of Canada’s Chalk River Laboratories caused a partial meltdown. The resulting explosion caused millions of liters of radioactive water to flood the reactor building’s basement, and the reactor’s core was no longer usable.[17] Carter was now ordered to Chalk River, joining other American and Canadian service personnel. He was the officer in charge of the U.S. team assisting in the shutdown of the Chalk River Nuclear Reactor.[18]
Once they arrived, Carter’s team used a model of the reactor to practice the steps necessary to disassemble the reactor and seal it off. During execution of the actual disassembly each team member, including Carter, donned protective gear, was lowered individually into the reactor, stayed for only a few seconds at a time to minimize exposure to radiation, and used hand tools to loosen bolts, remove nuts and take the other steps necessary to complete the disassembly process.
During and after his presidency Carter indicated that his experience at Chalk River shaped his views on nuclear power and nuclear weapons, including his decision not to pursue completion of the neutron bomb.[19]
and what does he get for that bravery? dicks like Scout questioning his leadership skills and bravery.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
12:36 pm
“There are and always will be exemptions to any entity.”
Not from this health care mandate. Buy insurance by 2014 or pay a fine.
If you’re exempt from car insurance, SS, etc. then it doesn’t compare to Obamacare.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
12:36 pm
The hyper-partisan justices need to be shown the door
Kagan, sotomayor, Breyer and Ginsburg
All douchebag partisans (joking)
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 26th, 2012
12:36 pm
Those who want this law overturned should be careful what you wish for. The alternative to the healthcare reform law is to eliminate the 65 and under language from medicare and viola a government single payer system is born for all. There would be no question as to whether or not that would withstand a legal challenge.
MoreRightthanLeft
June 26th, 2012
12:36 pm
you do know Obamacare is not about your health..please tell me you dont think he cares about your health, please tell me youre not that dumb…
My concern, if and when obabamcare is long gone..do the rpubs have a plan…please dont tell me your going to make it a priority when you get to office..i heard enough lies and bs from oblama…Please Pres Romney, do the right thing!!
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
12:37 pm
Bookman rule number one: when someone disagrees with you, they are hyper-partisan
When they agree with you, they are judicious and moderate
Erwin's cat
June 26th, 2012
12:38 pm
not that i agree with the “corps are people” mantra…but corps do pay taxes and can give equally to any candidate, they are not confined to either party ideology…so playing field is not upset….and nothing is set it stone…the constitution is amendable
Lord Help Us
June 26th, 2012
12:38 pm
‘Please Pres Romney, do the right thing!!’
Which would be…??? a return to the old status quo…single payer…
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
12:39 pm
Romney will implement better healthcare reform
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:41 pm
“Romney will implement better healthcare reform”
like the one in Mass??? the one that’s EXACTLY like Obama’s plan???
Thomas Heyward Jr.
June 26th, 2012
12:41 pm
The Ron Paul army and other defenders of Personal Liberty……care NOT……….to peek under any government lawyer’s robe.
.
We leave that to girly men and other government pensioners/parasites.
.
And maybe the TSA…………(The Sandusky AgencyZ).
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
12:41 pm
E. Cat — “mantra…but corps do pay taxes and can give equally to any candidate”
Surely you’re not saying that the mere act of remitting taxes somehow creates a right for the taxed entity to vote, are you?
If so, I need to go talk to my estate attorney about getting a couple of extra cracks at the ballot box in November.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
12:42 pm
Way to stoke unnecessary cynicism about the court Jay
You did a good job today: you played your role in continuing to divide America
Sick
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
12:42 pm
USinUK — “like the one in Mass??? the one that’s EXACTLY like Obama’s plan???”
Well, you have to understand that they don’t know what was in Romneycare to start with. You see, they will have to pass it before they can see what’s in it.
n
June 26th, 2012
12:42 pm
Perhaps Scalia and Thomas’s ossified arteries (like those of many of the hordes of cranky, semi-senile middle aged and elderly Senators & Congressmen ) will finally succumb to the ever increasing stress of making crazed, irrational, and noxious decisions and sending the country into a continuous death spiral.
Maybe Obama will be re-elected and can appoint certifiably sane folks to replace them.
One can only hope.
barking frog
June 26th, 2012
12:42 pm
Jm
not unless he is elected.
RB from Gwinnett
June 26th, 2012
12:42 pm
Josef, when his opinion is just shy of 100% far left propaganda full of half truths being delivered from a pulpit as important to this city as the AJC, he’s doing a disservice to the people of this city. We the people deserve better.
I’d bet North Korea’s “opinion writers” are as objective in their posts as Jay. Think about it.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
12:42 pm
Usinuk that movie is absurd, and sad.
Says the guy who wrote that the Beatles were just an OK band.
(Huge eye roll and grin)
Corporal, you are not qualified to shine Carter’s boots. You’ve never accomplished anything at all remotely close to what that man has and you are very bitter about it.
Your religion and your politics have poisoned you. Because you have perverted both.
I suspect that most people recognize that there are essentially two kinds of Christians in this country.
First there is the Jimmy Carter type. The kind whose roots are centered in the civil rights movement and who has tried with much fervor to help the poor, the weak, the disenfranchised and the infirm. Regardless of their politics or views.
The there is the Republican type. Whose roots are centered in the Ku Klux Klan. And who is exemplified by Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed, Newt Gingrich, George Walker Bush and several of our bloggers here. This kind works against the poor, the weak and the infirm. And seeks to further disenfranchise them. (Unless they believe lock, stock and barrel in the religion of Republicanism.)
The worst of the worst of this type have almost no compassion and are fiercely proud of their intolerance and self-righteousness. I would go so far as to say that more than a few of them actually enjoy seeing other human beings suffer.
They detest other religions, belief systems and even go so far as to speak of “false denominations”. They advocate endlessly for violence and hatred of other entire groups of people.
And it is because of them and their Christian animus towards others that church attendance in this country and around the civilized world is dropping faster than a drunken Tammy Faye in stilettos…
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 26th, 2012
12:43 pm
..do the rpubs have a plan…
**************************************
They do not. Wait it goes something like: “I will not settle for a temporary fix. I will work with both sides of the aisle for a permanant solution”
And just like the tatoo you got on spring break when you were drunk off your azzzz, you are not sure what it is or how much it cost but it is permanent.
Ahem
June 26th, 2012
12:43 pm
And all the little proggies cried “wee wee wee” all the way home. Any one confused as to why Sotomayor and Kagan were put on the court?!? Ginsburg? Hmmm…
Matti
June 26th, 2012
12:43 pm
“and what does he get for that bravery? dicks like Scout questioning his leadership skills and bravery.”
Once again, indeed.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
12:43 pm
Usinuk
Romneycare not the same as obamacare
Romney will implement healthcare reforms that will pass scotus review
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:44 pm
“Says the guy who wrote that the Beatles were just an OK band.”
well, let’s be fair … their music did VASTLY improve once they started doing drugs …
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
12:44 pm
RB — “he’s doing a disservice to the people of this city.”
I wasn’t aware that Jay worked for the city.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
12:44 pm
Based on his later views, I now question if he would have had the fortitude to carry out those responsibilities.
Fortitude?
It would take a lot more fortitude to ignore such orders, actually.
carlosgvv
June 26th, 2012
12:44 pm
I don’t think there were any boomers when Carter was in the Navy.
BeeJay
June 26th, 2012
12:45 pm
For an increasingly “partisan” Supreme Court, you blame ONLY one party? The court is stacked by partisan presidents as vacancies come up. Your stace is a real dumbass one. If the vote went the way you, as a liberal, Obama-ass-kissing sycophant, wanted, you wouldn’t be hollering “partisan” at all, now would you? DA.
MoreRightthanLeft
June 26th, 2012
12:45 pm
well lets defintley pass it before we read it…I believe Mitt will hire the smartest and brightest to fix problems..he will find solutions.He has made very good decisions his entire business career..career? something obama has never had.. Mitt is well qualified, but…he is a politician,..and i will hold him accountable and he will serve one term just like barry, if you screw it up..
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
12:46 pm
Usinuk has been gone so long she has forgotten the difference between a state and the federal government
Oh dear. Usinuk, back to kindergarten for you
208 more days
June 26th, 2012
12:46 pm
I personally do not approve of the CU ruling. Unless someone wants to make it a constutional amendment, we are stuck with it.
I see a lot of statements declaring this a GOP advantage, but surely no democrats take advantage of it……do they?
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
12:46 pm
their music did VASTLY improve once they started doing drugs …
Pretty sure their drug usage preceded all but their very earliest recording.
Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
12:46 pm
Jm-pass TPLOST silly people @ 12:43
Please enlighten us. I’m sure you have facts to support your assertions
(1) Please list the differences between RMoneycare and the ACA
(2) Please describe the health care reform that RMoney plans to introduce as soon as he is installed
Curious minds want to know.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
12:47 pm
All usinuk knows is they both have an individual mandate
So she thinks they’re the same
Hahahahahsshaha too funny
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
12:47 pm
I don’t think there were any boomers when Carter was in the Navy.
Should I admit that I scanned that as “boners” (and that it was much funnier that way)?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
12:47 pm
Carlosgvv — “I don’t think there were any boomers when Carter was in the Navy.”
It seems that Carter was one of the earliest Naval officers to work in the nuclear program.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter#Naval_career
larry
June 26th, 2012
12:48 pm
..do the rpubs have a plan…
Here’s their plan…… Health Savings Accounts and tort reform . Also, dont get sick.
Good Luck.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:48 pm
“Usinuk has been gone so long she has forgotten the difference between a state and the federal government”
aw, diddums … you seem to forget that Mittens was in charge of SAID STATE, so we have, in fact SEEN his plan … which is how we have what we’ve got now
PJ
June 26th, 2012
12:49 pm
Jim163 @12:30 pm
You say tomato I say tomoto. It has the word insurance in its name and that makes it insurance.
Peadawg @12:36 pm
Here are some exemptions. Read them and weep.
http://technorati.com/business/small-business/article/corporate-exemptions-from-the-new-health/
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
12:50 pm
JM — “Usinuk has been gone so long she has forgotten the difference between a state and the federal government Oh dear. Usinuk, back to kindergarten for you”
You too, because a President can’t create, enforce or authorize legislation involving *state* programs.
If you want to talk about *substantive* diffferences between the two programs, then grow up and let’s dance.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:50 pm
Jm – http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/15/us/politics/comparing-two-health-care-laws.html
here you go – sorry there aren’t more pictures to help you understand it better …
the two plans are nearly exactly alike, whether you want to acknowledge that or not.
Paul
June 26th, 2012
12:51 pm
Jm
“Romney will implement better healthcare reform”
What’ll that be?
I did go to his website. He said he’d issue an executive order to give waivers to all 50 states.
Based on Pres Obama’s departmental directive regarding children of immigrants, will conservatives stand for Pres Romney NOT ENFORCING THE LAW CONGRESS PASSED? (gotta put the caps in, right?)
Will conservatives be happy with Pres Romney for VIOLATING HIS OATH OF OFFICE?
Will they?
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
12:51 pm
“Bullock’s condemnation of the nation’s highest court as just “another political body” may sound harsh to some ears, but it is depressingly accurate.”
I never thought I would see the say when a liberal such as yourself, Jay, would complain so bitterly about the court upon which (even according to Obama himself) your kind has relied so heavily to effect legislative change that could have never come through the ballot box.
“The Montana law had been on the books for 100 years, and for most of those 100 years its constitutionality had not been called into serious question. It was considered well within established law.”
So was segregation for about 60 years. So I suppose your appeal to the longevity of a law fails.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
12:51 pm
Dekalb
Romneycare penalty was $50, not thousands like obamacare
Erwin's cat
June 26th, 2012
12:51 pm
JHM – “Surely you’re not saying that the mere act of remitting taxes somehow creates a right for the taxed entity to vote, are you?”
not at all…just saying, you can’t expect them to remain quite while writing a check….can you?
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 26th, 2012
12:51 pm
Doesn’t matter. Romney will never be President.
Which means 4 more years of Romney campaigning…..and then 4 years after that…and 4 years after that….
larry
June 26th, 2012
12:52 pm
I wonder if ACA is overturned , would that mean the HCA in Massachusetts is unconstitutional also ?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 26th, 2012
12:52 pm
USinUK,
You are on such a roll!!! you’re…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYITD8TMvcM&feature=related
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
12:52 pm
“Here are some exemptions. Read them and weep.”
That’s corporate, not individual. Try again.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:53 pm
“not at all…just saying, you can’t expect them to remain quite while writing a check….can you?”
there’s not being quiet – then there’s buying every effing microphone in town …
TiredOfIt
June 26th, 2012
12:53 pm
Say what you will about Carter, but he didn’t run around the white house joking about trying to fine WMD.
RB from Gwinnett
June 26th, 2012
12:54 pm
JHM, North Korea’s opinion writers don’t work for the people either.
Think…
larry
June 26th, 2012
12:54 pm
If a state can not force you to buy car insurance, they can’t force you to buy health insurance can they?
carlosgvv
June 26th, 2012
12:55 pm
Joe – 12:47
A “bommer” is slang for an ICBM missle firing submarine. I don’t think they were in service during Carter’s Navy years.
Butch Cassidy
June 26th, 2012
12:55 pm
Can’t wait to see these on bumpers everywhere.
Vote For Mitt Romney – The man who lost to the man who lost to Obama.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:56 pm
Normal – 12:52 – awwwwwwww … thanks! I’m just trying to live up to when you guys dedicated this to me (ages ago – but it made me laugh) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgzvTHsOxSQ&feature=related
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
12:56 pm
E. Cat — “not at all…just saying, you can’t expect them to remain quite while writing a check….can you?”
Yes. Because I had to when I was in the Army.
I could vote and make political donations, but I couldn’t attend a partisan political rally.
Regs may have changed, but I don’t see where a political donation creates any kind of rights for someone or something. In fact, I’d say that something like that is uncomfortably close to a BRIBE.
Erwin's cat
June 26th, 2012
12:56 pm
USinUK…i guess it’s time to get in the microphone business then
Native Atlantan
June 26th, 2012
12:56 pm
ha…well done Butch…well done…
Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
12:57 pm
JMm-TSPLOST @ 12:51
I believe the maximum under the ACA is $300.00. Even if it is higher, the issue everyone is so worked up about is not the amount, it is the fact there is a requirement to purchase private health insurance or be subject to a fee/fine.
The ACA has no enforcement mechanism. The law specifically says if someone is subject to the fee/fine, the IRS may not place a lien, levy, garnishment or any other instruments to collect the fee. Further no one can ever be subject to imprisonment for failure to pay.
Now I have to ask why have the fee if it is uncollectable and failure to pay is not subject to some kind of recourse but that said. As a practical matter the mandate or requirement is aspirational.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
12:57 pm
RB — “JHM, North Korea’s opinion writers don’t work for the people either. Think…”
I *am* thinking. Clearly *you’re* not.
Jay’s an opinion writer. He writes his opinion. If it pizzes you off, then go read someone else’s opinion.
QED.
godless heathen
June 26th, 2012
12:57 pm
Perhaps Scalia and Thomas’s ossified arteries (like those of many of the hordes of cranky, semi-senile middle aged and elderly Senators & Congressmen ) will finally succumb to the ever increasing stress of making crazed, irrational, and noxious decisions
Is this compassionate liberalism again wishing death on those they disagree with?
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 26th, 2012
12:58 pm
Doesn’t matter. Romney will never be President.
******************************************
Finally someone else who understands the electoral college.
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/ecalculator#?battleground
Erwin's cat
June 26th, 2012
12:58 pm
JHM – “Regs may have changed, but I don’t see where a political donation creates any kind of rights for someone or something. In fact, I’d say that something like that is uncomfortably close to a BRIBE.”
I agree…and they can bribe both sides equally…I don’t believe it gives either side a political advantage
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
12:59 pm
USinUK – pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout :
“dicks like Scout questioning his leadership skills and bravery.”
Be careful ………… you might go the way of Kamchuck !
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
12:59 pm
I cannot remember what fifth tier band that Jm put ahead of the Beatles, but it was a Grade A belly laugh, for sure! As I noted, the guy is consistent across a wide variety of topics!
The overwhelming majority of you Republicans that call yourselves conservatives are a very bad joke.
You are not conservatives. In many ways, you are anything but.
You are corporatists. And you fight for a corporate government. You love it that Washington DC is corporate owned territory and that there are literally thousands of corproate lobbyists that now run the show in OUR capital. They write the laws that screw you over and you can’t get enough.
Hundreds of billions of dollars every single year in socialism and corporate welfare, handouts, giveaways, bailouts and taxpayer paid subsidies and what do you bitch endlessly about? Poor families getting a tiny slice of that action.
Our civil liberties and civil rights have been shredded in the past few years and who do you root for? The job destroying corporations that Uncle Sam rewards to spy on you.
Please, all of you move to Singapore or some such place so that you can give your sovereignty away there!
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
12:59 pm
Erwin –
– does that mean we’ll be reading about the Erwin’s Cat PAC launching soon???
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:00 pm
Joe Hussein Mama :
Got you goat !!
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
1:00 pm
Scout – doing the time for doing the crime – I have no problem with calling you out for what you are.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
1:01 pm
RMoney.
I love that.
Think they will put that on his “Every Millionaire Counts” tour bus?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
1:01 pm
“I believe the maximum under the ACA is $300.00″
You would be wrong. In addition, they do levy the penalty through your taxes, so ultimately they will get it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:01 pm
Jm163:
“trigger, button, knob, device, initiator …………. whatever”.
John Birch
June 26th, 2012
1:01 pm
Two of the Republican leaning justices are the most likely to go against the party lines, Kennedy and Roberts, with Breyer probably third. The three girls vote the Dem/lib line 98.7% of the time, just like Scalia, Thomas and Alito are staunch conservatives. If Obamanationcare is upheld, it will be because Kennedy and/or Roberrts vote with the libs. I’ve got $10 for anyone that wants to bet Ginsberg, Kagan, or Sotomayor will vote against the obviously unconstitutional ACA.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
1:01 pm
” … just another political body”
When you don’t agree with them.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
1:01 pm
“I cannot remember what fifth tier band that Jm put ahead of the Beatles, but it was a Grade A belly laugh, for sure!”
One Direction!
ragnar danneskjold
June 26th, 2012
1:02 pm
Only leftists think people lose their right to comment on politics when they bind together and pool their funds, as a corporation, or not-for-profit, or a union.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
1:02 pm
Liberals fail every day, they must love it
Romney also didn’t levy a tax on investments to pay for the bill
PJ
June 26th, 2012
1:02 pm
Peadawg @12:52 pm
But, but, but…corporations are People. The SCOTUS say so.
Paul
June 26th, 2012
1:02 pm
Do any on the Right here support the Court’s initial decision, disagree with the Montana court and agree with the Court’s decision to refuse reconsideration?
If so, why?
All I’ve read so far is ducking.
carlosgvv
June 26th, 2012
1:03 pm
To be ruled by ideas for which you have no evidence is generally a sign that something is seriously wrong with your mind. And yet, Jimmy Carter, a “born again Christian”, ruled by tenets which cannot be supported by any evidence, was given our Nation’s nuclear trigger. It’s amazing we havn’t been blown away in WWIII by now. That kind of good luck won’t continue indefinitely. We must start electing atheists and agnostics to our highest political offices and stop giving this kind of power to people who still have a Santa Claus mindset.
RDL
June 26th, 2012
1:03 pm
I don’t bother to read all of this stuff, but I assume someone has told you all that corporations have been “persons” in Georgia for both criminal and civil purposes for a number of years. Check out OCGA 1-3-3 (14). Where ever the term “person” is found in the Georgia Code, the term includes corporations. I would imagine it is the same in many states.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
1:04 pm
Keep trying PJ. You sure do get an A for effort.
Oblama
June 26th, 2012
1:04 pm
Obama appointed people that agree with his views. What’s new about that? He’s partisan an so are they.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
1:04 pm
“Liberals fail every day, they must love it”
says the “independent”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:04 pm
USinUK – pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout :
I understand fully. You are a typical liberal that resorts to personal name calling rather than debate.
We are all entitled to our opinions on here.
That’s the American way.
What yours ?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
1:05 pm
Romney didn’t levy a tax on medical devices to pay for his bill
What’s this, they’re “EXACTLY the same”?
Only due to the largesse of government due many liberals survive
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
1:05 pm
“Obama appointed people that agree with his views. What’s new about that? He’s partisan an so are they.”
which makes him different from every other president … how, exactly???
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
1:05 pm
Romneycare penalty was $50
If the objective is for Mitt to win, I wouldn’t be mentioning “$50” in the same breath as “Romneycare” if I were you.
see also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qji6J76Hyrw
and
https://www.mahealthconnector.org/portal/binary/com.epicentric.contentmanagement.servlet.ContentDeliveryServlet/About%20Us/Connector%20Programs/Additional%20Resources/cc_benefits1220_pt234.pdf
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
1:06 pm
“You are a typical liberal that resorts to personal name calling rather than debate.”
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight … and your sliming of Jimmy Carter’s service in the Navy was, what exactly??? showing your fellow vet respect??? you call that “debate”???
josef
June 26th, 2012
1:06 pm
RB
I realize that from the far right perspective Jay probably does look far left. From the far left, he looks pretty centrist. In my experience with him, I have found him to be absolutely blinded by his conservative stances on certain issues. But it matters little what you or I think, it’s his front porch and he’s the boss. And bottom line, he’s quite tolerant of opinions that diverge from his own and gives a lot of us social malcontents a place to come to vent and keeps us off the street. All in all, he does perform a public service.
Adam
June 26th, 2012
1:06 pm
Fees are different from Taxes. Just like offshoring being different from outsourcing, doncha know.
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate...er, I mean President
June 26th, 2012
1:07 pm
“Instead, they based their dissent on the fact that Montana had no choice but to bow to the federal court’s greater authority, however irrational it might be.”
….replace “Montana” with “Arizona” and we can make the same argument about immigration, right??
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
1:07 pm
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Corporations are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator – the United States Supreme Court – with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Personhood. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Corporations, deriving their just powers from the consent of the Board of Governors, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the Corporations to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Profits and Immunity from Law.
RDL
June 26th, 2012
1:09 pm
Just for yucks and grins, here is the Montana definition of a person under its Rules of Civil Procedure: Definition of Person. As used in this rule, the word “person,” whether or not a citizen or resident of this state and whether or not organized under the laws of this state, includes an individual whether operating in the individual’s own name or under a trade name; an individual’s agent or personal representative; a corporation; a limited liability company; a business trust; an estate; a trust; a partnership; an unincorporated association; and any two or more persons having a joint or common interest or any other legal or commercial entity.
Evidently a corporation can be a person in Montana when it is necessary.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
1:09 pm
Usinuk
If this blog was populated with dozens of ignorant cons, you’d hear me giving the the boot too
Which I do on occasion, in particular with the racist ones
But since jay is racist, he doesn’t seem to mind them much
Obama is over
June 26th, 2012
1:09 pm
Bro @ 12:21
I am well aware of the responsibilities of the Executive Branch. Perhaps you should write the President and remind him of his role- he seems to have forgotten in the midst of all this fund raising. Obama has routinely enacted rules through his agency appointees like the EPA, Energy Dept, and HHS to achieve his goals rather than trying to put together a bipartisan coalition in Congress.Your post confirms that Obama’s executive immigration order last week is illegal and unenforcable because he circumvented Congress- and thus it is not a law. Pure 100% pandering to the Hispanic vote Yes, Washington has been corrupted by lobbyists and money for generations. To imply that the SCOTUS is partisan because of corporate contributions is the height of hypocrisy when the current administration is actively soliciting corporate contributions because Obama needs four more years to complete his agenda for his people. Perhaps the reason major 2008 donors are not supporting Obama this go around is that he has not fulfilled his promises from 2008 and he does not seem to have any new ideas or meaningful agenda moving forward. Who knows, maybe Tyler Perry will write him a check tonight to cover the Dem convention in Charlotte. Otherwise, people may not bother to go.
RB from Gwinnett
June 26th, 2012
1:09 pm
JHM, are you prepared to apply that same logic to the conservatives you disagree with?
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
1:10 pm
You are a typical liberal that resorts to personal name calling rather than debate.
Ex-pat, looks like you got someone’s goat…
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
1:11 pm
“Downside it, this may be the one addition to abortion that conservatives get impassioned about. “Money is speech and the more speech the better!” Yeah, they’ll convince themselves of that, too.”
I guess if nudity is “speech” than why not money, huh? Have you ever complained here about the former opinion of the court on this blog?
“I did notice that there were plenty of posts of the ‘Jay’s whining again” variety, but near as I could tell, not one of those bloggers would state why they agree with the Court’s decision and think the Wyoming court had it wrong.”
I merely pointed out the irony of liberals bitterly complaining about a ruling from a court they have relied upon heavily to effect de facto legislative change. As to the ruling, I generally think we need to find a way to sever politicians (Democrats and Republicans alike from money) or else we will likely never overcome our problems. But I am at this point numb to the ways in which the actual Constitution has been subverted by all three branches of the federal government throughout this nation’s history. The sad fact is that the SCOTUS has almost always been political to some extent (I mean “separate but equal” sounds almost Orwellian).
“Then again, that’s not a surprise, is it?”
Neither should almost any ruling from the SCOTUS surprise.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
1:11 pm
Scout – or does “Hopefully, like Ensign Pulver, he was in charge of “laundry and morale”.” count as “debate” in your teenytinybrain???
please. the man helped clean up a nuclear meltdown and you’re calling his bravery and capabilities in question? talk about not fit to lick his radioactive boots … but, oh, how I wish you would.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
1:11 pm
E. Cat — “I agree…and they can bribe both sides equally…I don’t believe it gives either side a political advantage”
Come now. Bribes aren’t protected speech. Whether or not they confer an advantage is irrelevant.
Truth
June 26th, 2012
1:11 pm
“For at least a quarter of a century, the Republican Party has made the creation of such a court one of its primary goals”
So Ginsberg, Sotomayor, and Kagan AREN’T the most partisan of the Justices? RIIIIGHT. I would remind you that Kennedy is a Republican appointee, as was Souter and Stevens. All moderate to liberal. The Democratic appointees, however, vote lock-step down the progressive party line.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 26th, 2012
1:12 pm
josef
June 26th, 2012
1:06 pm
Are you saying Jay keeps the streets clean???
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
1:12 pm
0311 — “Got you goat !!”
I have no goat. And you have no character.
Madmax
June 26th, 2012
1:13 pm
Jay – I agree it is partisan but let’s “be honest about this” and share the blame on this one? Which party instituted litmus tests on abortion as part of their hearings on candidates? Which party held that Robert Bork was unfit because he experimented with marijuana (hint the same party that put Bill (I didn’t unhale) and Barack ( a more honest user/abuser) in the oval office. Have the Democrats put any constitutional experts on the court? What were the exceptional characteristics of Obama’s appointments other than political?
Erwin's cat
June 26th, 2012
1:13 pm
USinUK – Erwin’s Cat PAC….I like the sound of that
…but it would likely be an army of 1
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:13 pm
USinUK – pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout :
If you don’t understand the difference between “personal name calling” and “opinion” then I can’t help you.
P.S.
I don’t think Kamchack did either.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
1:13 pm
“If this blog was populated with dozens of ignorant cons, you’d hear me giving the the boot too”
jm – it is. on a daily basis. and all we see is you being their lickspittle.
in the meantime, I give you evidence to refute your assertion that the Obama and Mittens plans were different and you go into radio silence. .. not that I’m surprised.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:14 pm
Madmax:
“What were the exceptional characteristics of Obama’s appointments other than political?”
EXCELLENT POINT !
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
1:15 pm
RB — “JHM, are you prepared to apply that same logic to the conservatives you disagree with?”
I do it every day. However, I *rarely,* if ever, see ANY of you say that you’re expressing an OPINION.
Your ideological compatriots toss out the vilest of insults and slurs, and when you’re ever called on it — HEY THAT WAS JUST MY OPINION.
If that’s the case, then show some character and say it ahead of time, to wit: “in my opinion, liberals are completely out to lunch on this issue.”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:15 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
Sorry, but I’ve been told I am “quite a character” !!!
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 26th, 2012
1:15 pm
“If you don’t understand the difference between “personal name calling” and “opinion” then I can’t help you.”
and it’s my opinion that you’re an effing wanker because despicable slime treatment of a man of valor
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 26th, 2012
1:15 pm
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
1:07 pm
…and we will proudly salute the Corporate logos and Stripes as it passes…
Common Sense
June 26th, 2012
1:15 pm
One blog and you want the states to have no rights(Arizona), and then later you do(Montana).
At least be consistent.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
1:16 pm
“Do any on the Right here support the Court’s initial decision, disagree with the Montana court and agree with the Court’s decision to refuse reconsideration?”
What do you want me to say? Logically, if nudity can be a form of protected speech then I suppose money can be as well. I don’t think either are (as speech is just speech), to be candid, but it sure is interesting to see liberals get all riled up about the latter but not the former. A little consistency would help your complaint, I feel.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:16 pm
HEAR YE, HEAR YE, HEAR YE ………………. LET IT BE KNOWN HENCEFORTH AND FOREVERMORE:
“in my opinion, liberals are completely out to lunch on EVERY issue.”
Erwin's cat
June 26th, 2012
1:17 pm
JHM – “Bribes aren’t protected speech.”
they shouldn’t be, but unfortunately they are
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
1:17 pm
0311 — “Sorry, but I’ve been told I am “quite a character” !!!”
Indeed.
BTW, I’m still waiting for you to produce a liberal regular here who has expressed a desire for illegal immigrants to be afforded the right to vote, as you claimed earlier in this thread. How are you coming with that?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:17 pm
Towncrier:
LOL !
josef
June 26th, 2012
1:18 pm
NORMAL
Maybe we ought to start calling him Al Shariff Imam Bruin Torquemada the Street Sweeper…
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
1:18 pm
Is this compassionate liberalism again wishing death on those they disagree with?
naw, if you want that, I can be a good deal more colorful and explicit.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:18 pm
USinUK – pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout :
That’s a little better.
You are improving.
Maybe there is hope.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
1:18 pm
0311 — “in my opinion, liberals are completely out to lunch on EVERY issue.”
Thanks for fessing up to what we all knew to be true, Congressman.
MoreRightthanLeft
June 26th, 2012
1:19 pm
tired,
carter was horrific,i guess its better to run around the golf course joking about hope and change
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 26th, 2012
1:19 pm
“Sorry, but I’ve been told I am “quite a character” !!!”
No, I heard you called “Dick”, though Is your first name Limp?
Sorry Scout, I just. Could. Not. Help. It. Sorry…
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
1:19 pm
“The Democratic appointees, however, vote lock-step down the progressive party line.”
It is curious that while a number of former liberals have become conservative in the public domain, I can’t think of a single SC justice that has (though the opposite is true).
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
1:19 pm
Erwin — “they shouldn’t be, but unfortunately they are”
I’m pretty sure that bribery is pretty much always a state or Federal felony, depending on the circumstances.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:20 pm
If I only had time to go back and post some of the vitriolic diatribes you peaceful, caring, compassionate, freedom loving, libs. posted about Bush ………………………..
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
1:20 pm
Normal and why the Corporatist Republicans are absolutely terrified of Elizabeth Warren.
That one woman has more courage to stand up against a corproate owned government and for we the people than the entire GOP leadership put together…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:21 pm
Normal Free…Pro Human Rights Thug…And liking it! :
No ………… it was “dick”.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
1:21 pm
“BTW, I’m still waiting for you to produce a liberal regular here who has expressed a desire for illegal immigrants to be afforded the right to vote, as you claimed earlier in this thread.”
In truth, JHM, I am not sure that is something one would publicly admit. But I would be surprised if not at least a few Democratic politicians felt such a desire.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
1:21 pm
Usinuk
Apparently you didn’t see my dialogue with dekalb
Who disappeared, after I cited three significant differences
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:21 pm
JamVet:
Can anyone say “the Governor of Wisconsin !”
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
1:22 pm
carter was horrific
Puerile claptrap.
And I’m relatively certain that you could not make a compelling case that would persuade a room of fifth graders, much less this forum.
And I gather you voted for George?
Twice?
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
1:23 pm
What are you mumbling about, corporal?
Elizabeth Warren is relevant to NJ and the US Senate, not Wisconsin.
Concentrate, son!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:23 pm
Towncrier:
“Mayor John DeStefano Jr. is pushing to give voting rights to illegal immigrants.
While speaking to the New Haven Independent following a Tuesday press conference, DeStefano said he plans to push the state for a “resident voting rights” law that would allow all New Haven residents, regardless of immigration status, to vote in municipal elections. DeStefano said he would raise the issue during next year’s session of the state legislature, which would need to approve the proposal.”
http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2011/dec/17/destefano-pushes-voting-rights-illegal-immigrants/
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:24 pm
JamVet:
Just reminding you that you already got beat down on that in Wisconsin ……………..
getalife
June 26th, 2012
1:25 pm
All cons should have corporate tattoos on their foreheads to show their support corporate.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:27 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
“BTW, I’m still waiting for you to produce a liberal regular here who has expressed a desire for illegal immigrants to be afforded the right to vote, as you claimed earlier in this thread. How are you coming with that?”
You’re confused again. I wasn’t the one who posted that.
However ………… see my 1:23 post.
Erwin's cat
June 26th, 2012
1:27 pm
JHM – i totally agree with you…unfortunately the Supremes feel differently, and at the moment, that is all that counts…it’s like racing, you don’t have to like the rules, you just need to understand them enough to use them to your advantage….
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
1:27 pm
You make no sense at all, corporal.
I’ve been writing about the our corporate owned government – the one that you adore.
And you are off running down one of your rabbit holes and mumbling something about Wisconsin…
Steve
June 26th, 2012
1:27 pm
Since Obama is going to win, it gives me hope that the SCOTUS won’t go any more to the right these next four years.
Since Obama is going to win, is that why you conservative are all hysterical right now?
Georgia on my mind...
June 26th, 2012
1:28 pm
Dems call for Clarence Thomas ethics probe
Dozens of House Democrats are calling for an investigation into potential conflict-of-interest issues involving Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.
As the Supreme Court begins its fall session, Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.), Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) and some of their colleagues are asking the House Judiciary Committee to hold hearings on alleged ethical violations and raising questions on whether the justice can be impartial.
Among their charges against Thomas: that the justice failed to report at least $1.6 million that his wife, Ginni, had earned since 1997; that he might have failed to report gifts from rich supporters; and that he inappropriately solicited donations for favored non-profits, according to their letter sent to Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) and ranking member John Conyers (D-Mich.).
“The Supreme Court’s greatest assets are its integrity and the public trust,” Blumenauer said in a statement. “Yet for months now, concerns have been building about the unwillingness or the inability of the Supreme Court to address allegations of potential ethics violations by Justice Clarence Thomas.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65275.html#ixzz1yvAuQ3oL
Madmax
June 26th, 2012
1:29 pm
“Corporations are not persons. Human beings are persons, and it is an affront to the inviolable dignity of our species that courts have created a legal fiction which forces people — human beings — to share fundamental, natural rights with soulless creations of government.”
Interesting that he uses the word soulless yet the SC has held that an unborn child is also soulless and many on this blog have supported that proposition. How can you use the word soul as an arguement, if there is no God and if an unborn child is is considered nothing but a mass of tissue? Many here have demanded and ranted about separation yet this judge uses the word soul to base his arguement and Jay supports him.
MoreRightthanLeft
June 26th, 2012
1:29 pm
Facts are a stubborn thing
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
1:29 pm
“Mayor John DeStefano Jr. is pushing to give voting rights to illegal immigrants.”
Thanks for that link, Scout. Now why would a Democratic politician (who must everyone here agrees is now someone more interested in self and power than our nation) want to allow illegal immigrants to vote (when they clearly do not have that right Constitutionally)? Hmm? Anybody?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:29 pm
“All cons should have corporate tattoos on their foreheads to show their support corporate.”
Has anyone noticed that getalife might be dyslexic ?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 26th, 2012
1:29 pm
Couple of things….
The SCOTUS ruling yesterday on unions and the need for an opt out..
Should we not also require the same opt out for shareholders?
AND
disclosure.
disclosure.
disclosure.
disclosure.
Why is corporate America afraid to say what causes they support?
Why are they fighting disclosure?
What are they ashamed of?
Middle of the Road
June 26th, 2012
1:30 pm
I cannot more loudly express my disdain and unhappiness over Citizens United. That said, I will concede that SCOTUS ruled correctly in Montana; in this case I can’t see how the state law trumps Federal law. Sadly the long-standing state law had become obsolete.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
1:30 pm
“Since Obama is going to win, is that why you conservative are all hysterical right now?”
I didn’t know Jay was a conservative.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
1:31 pm
Facts are a stubborn thing.
Only when you have the brains to actually use them…
Otherwise, just sloganeering about them is as useless as t*ts on a hog…
GT
June 26th, 2012
1:31 pm
There are times in an organization where the name of the organization and the activity separate their purpose and misinterpretation. Conservatives have reach that end. Christian right have also reach that end. Conservatives or their shell have sold out to money. They feel their principal are not strong enough to attract the majority. They no long trust the decision of this country in the hands of common people. They have become progressive in their interpretation of even human beings to suit their purpose. They define a fetus as a human, then they define a soulless corporation as the same. The value of life they call it.
They pretty well redefined the definition of Christianity along the way too. Divorce doesn’t bother them, but gays do,gambling is their main support to stay in a race they don’t belong, not descent people but thugs. This money that elects them, then picks the justice that decide on the laws the money bought lawmakers makes. The devil has bought Christianity, then the whole house. He preaches in the pulpit, on television and the radio. He covers his lies in the verses of the Bible.
WrteStufLA
June 26th, 2012
1:32 pm
Check out Justice James C. Nelson’s Wikipedia page — the guy’s reasoning shows a lot of wisdom in a lot of areas.
Steve
June 26th, 2012
1:32 pm
I don’t see Jay as hysterical at all, Peedawg.
Adam
June 26th, 2012
1:32 pm
In other news, George Washington forced Americans to buy guns and John Adams forced privately employed sailors to buy health insurance.
What’s next, brocolli?
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
1:33 pm
Middle of the Road,
I absolutely concur.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
1:34 pm
“I don’t see Jay as hysterical at all, Peedawg.”
Of course you don’t.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
1:34 pm
0311 — “If I only had time to go back and post some of the vitriolic diatribes you peaceful, caring, compassionate, freedom loving, libs. posted about Bush”
If you actually paid attention to the things I post, you would have long since recognize that I *always* refer to sitting and past Presidents — regardless of party — as “President,” “President (name),” “The President” or “(name).” I don’t make up and use cutesy names for lawmakers I don’t agree with, because I’m a better person than that.
Georgia on my mind...
June 26th, 2012
1:35 pm
GT
June 26th, 2012
1:31 pm
Well said and best post of the day!!
mm
June 26th, 2012
1:35 pm
Based on Scalia’s diatribe Monday, I think he may have let the cat out of the bag. Maybe he’s upset because he’s going to be on the minority opinion side Thursday.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:35 pm
JamVet:
Weren’t you one of those on here predicting the evil corporate interests in Wisonsin who be volted down by the union loving people of Wisconsin?
Well …………. just maybe you’re wrong about New Jersey also.
THAT’s the connection ……………..
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
1:36 pm
Towncrier — “In truth, JHM, I am not sure that is something one would publicly admit.”
0311 made his assertion; now let’s see him support it.
“But I would be surprised if not at least a few Democratic politicians felt such a desire.”
Be careful with that sort of rhetoric, sir. It cuts both ways.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:37 pm
“because I’m a better person than that.”
Self serving statement not to be taken literally.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
1:38 pm
The people lost the class war so suffer the consequences.
citizen united is here to stay.
A dark period in American history is coming .
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
1:38 pm
But I would be surprised if not at least a few Democratic politicians felt such a desire.
But, that’s not even close to what JHM was asking. He wanted 0311 to produce a single, solitary, self-IDing liberal who posts here, who advocated the voting enfranchisement of undocumented aliens.
Given that it seems to be an article of faith among some conservatives that this is the plan to somehow decriminalize what is now a felony, you’d think there’d be *some* lefties who’d be embracing it.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
1:38 pm
“In other news, George Washington forced Americans to buy guns and John Adams forced privately employed sailors to buy health insurance.”
And Thomas Jefferson approved the establishment of strip clubs, Alexander Hamilton approved of legislation to allow the abortion of any unborn child if its birth should seem an inconvenience and Benjamin Franklin advocated for same sex marriage.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:38 pm
@ 1:35
Excuse me: “voted”
getalife
June 26th, 2012
1:39 pm
What happened to Kam scout?
Adam
June 26th, 2012
1:39 pm
By the way, I filled my tank for $38 this week. I blame Obama.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
1:39 pm
Corporal, you rabbit holes have labyrinths?
Awesome!
But why would I care what demented track you take down there?
If you want to talk to yourself about Wisconsin until you lil pea picking heart is overjoyed, go for it.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
1:40 pm
0311 — “You’re confused again. I wasn’t the one who posted that.”
No, you’re the confused one here. Look back on Page 1 of this thread.
“Why not? A lot of libs. want illegals to vote !”
I then challenged you to present a single regular poster here who had ever expressed such a view. And I’m still waiting.
“However ………… see my 1:23 post.”
And he’s not a regular here, now is he? That’s two memory STRIKES for you in a single post, Champ. Want to go for three?
You really are making this too easy.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
1:40 pm
“By the way, I filled my tank for $38 this week. ”
Get a more efficient car.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:41 pm
Well, the SCOTUS has ruled twice now on this corporate thing.
According to you libs. that’s “settled law” so let’s move on ……………… unless you want to entertain a Constitutional Amendment.
Go for it.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
1:41 pm
“Be careful with that sort of rhetoric, sir. It cuts both ways.”
Why? It is my honest opinion, judging from human nature. Anyone is capable of almost anything, Democrat or Republican. I feel no need to defend members of my party if they are out of line.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
1:42 pm
Maybe he’s upset because he’s going to be on the minority opinion side Thursday.
yeah…I was kinda thinking the same thing about Alito.
Not that I’ll jump for joy if it does go 6-3 for the ACA’s constitutionality. we’ve got a lonnnng way to go before that sucker’s actually implemented, and (as longtime listeners know) I’d vastly prefer a single-payer Medicare-for-all solution anyway.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
1:42 pm
0311 — “Self serving statement not to be taken literally.”
No, it’s quite accurate and literal. And if you think you can refute it, then have at it.
But you will fail.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:42 pm
getalife:
You’ll have to ask Jay.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
1:42 pm
Corporal, you rabbit hole
name-caller. I’m telling Teach.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
1:43 pm
SFD — “But, that’s not even close to what JHM was asking. He wanted 0311 to produce a single, solitary, self-IDing liberal who posts here, who advocated the voting enfranchisement of undocumented aliens.”
“Given that it seems to be an article of faith among some conservatives that this is the plan to somehow decriminalize what is now a felony, you’d think there’d be *some* lefties who’d be embracing it.”
Exactly this. Well distilled, sir.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
1:43 pm
Granny G 1:29 – yes
Though it is worth noting that many corporate PACs are funded by business employees, not the corporations themselves
In addition, corporations shouldn’t make charitable donations period without the approval of shareholders
Berkshire Hathaway has something similar to this
Adam
June 26th, 2012
1:43 pm
Towncrier: “In other news, George Washington forced Americans to buy guns and John Adams forced privately employed sailors to buy health insurance.”
And Thomas Jefferson approved the establishment of strip clubs, Alexander Hamilton approved of legislation to allow the abortion of any unborn child if its birth should seem an inconvenience and Benjamin Franklin advocated for same sex marriage.
OR, what I said actually happened, and what you said didn’t:
George Washington in 1792 forced all men eligible for militia service to purchase firearms and ammunition, according to the Second Militia Act of 1792.
John Adams forced purchase of health insurance in 1798, see here from that bastion of Communism, Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/01/17/congress-passes-socialized-medicine-and-mandates-health-insurance-in-1798/
And one that I forgot to mention, Thomas Jefferson forced people to buy into a public health insurance system.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 26th, 2012
1:43 pm
Enough for today. I will STFU now. Might come back Thursday if there is anything interesting that day.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
1:44 pm
Granny g- yes (on your first point)
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
1:44 pm
I don’t make up and use cutesy names for lawmakers I don’t agree with, because I’m a better person than that.
I wish I could say the same, but “Chimpy McWarHard-On” just begs to be typed.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
1:45 pm
Towncrier — “Why? It is my honest opinion, judging from human nature. Anyone is capable of almost anything, Democrat or Republican. I feel no need to defend members of my party if they are out of line.”
Fair enough; we seem to be of one mind on that, even though we’re on opposite political teams.
I can’t count how many times here someone has thrust Bill Clinton’s behavior at me as a defense for some sort of Republican wrongdoing, at which point I have to remind that person that I never *voted* for Bill Clinton (either time).
Jefferson
June 26th, 2012
1:45 pm
Right, wrong not to be confused with law.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
1:45 pm
scout,
Did you get him banned?
DawgDad
June 26th, 2012
1:46 pm
“Let’s be honest about this”
Okay, Jay. When do we start?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
1:46 pm
Mm 1:35 and sfd
Don’t count on it
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
1:46 pm
“But, that’s not even close to what JHM was asking. He wanted 0311 to produce a single, solitary, self-IDing liberal who posts here, who advocated the voting enfranchisement of undocumented aliens.”
Since you quoted from my post, go back and read it to see how I addressed his challenge.
“Given that it seems to be an article of faith among some conservatives that this is the plan to somehow decriminalize what is now a felony, you’d think there’d be *some* lefties who’d be embracing it.”
Again, if someone here truly wouldn’t object to illegal immigrants voting, I don’t think they’d admit it here – they’d get it from the right and the left. That is like admitting you enjoy raping people. So the challenge doesn’t PROVE that no one here has such a desire, only that no one has expressed it.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 26th, 2012
1:47 pm
Jm
Do you have an issue with requiring disclosure?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:47 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
1) I go back and forth with a lot of you libs. on here so I will give you the benefit of the doubt on your post.
2) I also don’t have the time to go back and see if any lib. on here posted such a view.
3) That said, do you support granting illegals the right to vote in any election: local, state or federal?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 26th, 2012
1:47 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:24 pm
Scout,
Walker was neutered when he lost control of the State Houses. He won’t be able to do much more damage. And the Unions will return one day. What goes around, comes around.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
1:47 pm
SfD — “I wish I could say the same, but “Chimpy McWarHard-On” just begs to be typed.”
Hey, that’s on you. I don’t do it, I don’t recommend or encourage it, and I wish people would stop doing it, but there’s not much I can do about it.
That said, I think you know I pretty much share your opinion of President Bush, but I also think it weakens one’s argument to use language like that. IMO, serious people with serious points to make will do so in a serious manner. If they want to be taken seriously, of course.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:48 pm
getalife:
If he’s banned, he got himself banned for personal name calling.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
1:48 pm
Dawgdad
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:48 pm
Normal Free…Pro Human Rights Thug…And liking it! :
Time will tell ………… time will tell.
Uncle Billy
June 26th, 2012
1:49 pm
An old friend once suggested that at every Congressional hearing there should be a person on the edge whose job it would be to stand up twice an hour and yell “AWWWW HORSEMANURE!!!!!!
This he claimed would make the members very nervous since they would not want to be speaking at the particular time this happened.
Were this procedure applied to the Supreme Court all decisions would be issued in writing. I agreed with him, always.
mm
June 26th, 2012
1:49 pm
“I’d vastly prefer a single-payer Medicare-for-all solution anyway.”
I agree. Unfortunately, when Obama actually trusted the cons to work with him, he took that out of the negotiations. Thankfully, it looks like after 4 years of this Lucy and the football crap, Obama has finally learned his lesson.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
1:49 pm
Free Kam.
Free Kam.
Free Kam.
Senior Citizen Kane
June 26th, 2012
1:50 pm
Of course corporations are people. What do you think they are, objects like a fence post? Is Cox Enterprises the printing press and the television camera or the people who write for the papers and broadcast the news? And if we put limits on corporate spending for political ads, shouldn’t we put limits on newspaper columnists and bloggers who work for a corporation? Maybe the government should limit Jay to one blog a week. After all, the average Joe doesn’t have access to the wide reach of ajc.com
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
1:50 pm
“OR, what I said actually happened, and what you said didn’t…”
Interesting stuff, Adam. I will look at it later as I have to duck out.
Steve
June 26th, 2012
1:50 pm
““I’d vastly prefer a single-payer Medicare-for-all solution anyway.”
I agree. Unfortunately, when Obama actually trusted the cons to work with him, he took that out of the negotiations. Thankfully, it looks like after 4 years of this Lucy and the football crap, Obama has finally learned his lesson.”
WELL SAID
Adam
June 26th, 2012
1:50 pm
Peadawg: Next year, my man. Next year.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
1:51 pm
Towncrier — “Again, if someone here truly wouldn’t object to illegal immigrants voting, I don’t think they’d admit it here – they’d get it from the right and the left. That is like admitting you enjoy raping people. So the challenge doesn’t PROVE that no one here has such a desire, only that no one has expressed it.”
Given that no one here has expressed such a desire — and you admit to that — then where did the notion come from that that’s something that “a lot of libs” want?
That claim is as uncreditable as saying that the GOP is composed of American Taliban who won’t stop until they have us all occupying pews on Sunday mornings and tithing 10% of our income before taxes to the church. After all, no poster here has *expressed that view,* but you can’t PROVE that no conservative posters here actually think that.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:51 pm
Adam @ 1:43
Very interesting points but :
1) Were they challenged in the courts at that time?
2) Even if they were determined to be Constitutional then, should they be now?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 26th, 2012
1:51 pm
“What do you think they are”
An entity on paper.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
1:51 pm
sfd
Don’t count on it
oh, if I had to bet, I’d be going with yet another 5-4 right wing ruling. I do think, however, if Kennedy decided PPACA was constitutional, that Roberts would go along for posterity’s sake.
Boris Badnoff
June 26th, 2012
1:51 pm
Now that The Peanut Picker has jumped ship
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/06/obamas-newest-critic-jimmy-carter/1#.T-n1m1Jchmo
can Jay Bookman be far behind? Nope. He is the quintessential Bitter Clinger. If Bookman had been on the Titanic, he would have called Room Service and asked for ice.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
1:52 pm
46 million Americans are on food stamps so corporates next move is to end the food stamp program.
Anything that helps Americans is not acceptable to corporate power.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
1:52 pm
getalife:
Not to worry. I’m thinking he will be eventually paroled.
You know ………. no “life without parole” now for juveniles.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
1:55 pm
Granny
Disclosure of what? That part of your post was not very clear.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
1:56 pm
“You know ………. no “life without parole” now for juveniles.”
One thing they got right.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
June 26th, 2012
1:56 pm
JAY,
Appointing Obama to SCOTUS is ridiculous…as we will see later this week, President Trillions so called constitutional scholar didn’t even remember that two WILLING parties make a contract.
We need Congress to have the balls to push constitutional amendment clarifying that corporations are not citizens….the court only interprets….too bad the corporations will continue to toss money at the group of whores known as congress…
Adam
June 26th, 2012
1:56 pm
JHM: The claim that a “lot of libs” want undocumented immigrants to vote comes from the assertion first that they ARE voting – therefore we NEEEEEED the voter ID laws (more on the REAL reasons here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EuOT1bRYdK8) – and because a “lot of libs” are against voter ID laws, they must be FOR undocumented immigrants voting! Also they are FOR dead people voting! See how it works?
By the way, in case it was lost, that video proves that Republicans want voter ID laws for reasons other than the ones they have been touting. And, JUST COINCIDENCE, but those reasons are exactly the same as Democrats have portrayed them – It’s about getting Republicans more of an advantage in elections.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
1:56 pm
0311 — “1) I go back and forth with a lot of you libs. on here so I will give you the benefit of the doubt on your post.”
Here’s where you asked:
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/06/26/a-peek-under-the-robes-of-an-increasingly-partisan-court/?cp=1#comment-992374
I challenged you near the bottom of Page 3.
“2) I also don’t have the time to go back and see if any lib. on here posted such a view.”
In other words, you admit that you made it up. Thank you for your concession.
“3) That said, do you support granting illegals the right to vote in any election: local, state or federal?”
This makes the fifth time I’ve posted this this week. Catch up to the rest of the class, Poindexter.
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/06/15/obama-offers-temporary-reprieve-to-young-illegal-immigrants/?cp=10#comment-984295
If you’d spend more time being and adult and talking to us, and less time being a jackass and making things up, you might actually find that we have a lot of common ground to work from.
Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
1:57 pm
Jm-TSPLOST @ 1:01
You are incorrect on liens and levies. Quoting 42 U.S.C. 18081 – Sec 1411 h (3)
(3) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES.—The Secretary (or,
if applicable, the Attorney General of the United States) shall
not—
(A) file notice of lien with respect to any property of
a person by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed
by this subsection; or
(B) levy on any such property with respect to such failure
That means they cannot lien or levy or garnish any wages with respect to the civil penalties in the bill – i.e. cannot actually collect if you refuse pay. Further there are no criminal penalties in the bill with respect to the individual mandate.
Senior Citizen Kane
June 26th, 2012
1:57 pm
“What do you think they are”
An entity on paper.
OK, granny, I’ll go for a law that limits speech by an entity on a piece of paper. I didn’t know an entity on a piece of paper could write or speak.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
1:57 pm
I also think it weakens one’s argument to use language like that.
as do I, of course. If I have even the slightest hope of engaging another poster from the “other side of the aisle” in civilized chat, it’s always either “President Bush” or, usually, “GWB”, just to avoid confusion with GHWB.
Donovan
June 26th, 2012
1:57 pm
Well, there you go again. It seems that the closer we get to taking out the trash in November, the more we hear the rumblings of anti-capitalism rhetoric and corporate greed.
Nice try with the campaign rallying choir speech.
The Supremes hold a narrow conservative edge and you don’t like it. Tough luck. I’m quite sure all you liberals would be happier than pigs in slop if it were the other way around. It is no wonder that liberals desperately try to get their agendas passed using the court system. Otherwise, nothing would be passed using common sense legislation.
Thank God there still remains a majority of conservative thought on the Supreme bench. The American people had to already endure the past nominations of two fruit cakes under Obamination.
It’s really all about liberal marginalization and anti-capitalism, Mr. Bookman. You know and I know it.
Adam
June 26th, 2012
1:58 pm
Scout: 1) Were they challenged in the courts at that time?
2) Even if they were determined to be Constitutional then, should they be now?
1) I do not know. However, the point of course is that the Founding Fathers were perfectly fine with mandating purchase of private goods. At least 3 of them, anyway.
2) I thought we were supposed to adhere to the founding principles of the Constitution. If it does not specifically forbid it, as 3 of the founding fathers clearly thought, then has anything been added to the Constitution that DOES forbid it? I think not.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
June 26th, 2012
2:00 pm
STEVE,
Obama went with the cash, predictably, for obamacare…the largest hospital operators in the country kicked in billions so they could actually collect the 20-25% of revenues that are uncollectable due to lack of insurance. The insurance companies will shrink in market share if mandate is found unconstitutional (i agree it is unconstitutional) and the balance of the law remains. A crappy bill when taken in the aggregate. The favorable features including pre-existing conditions and cover for up to 26 year olds will not be affordable for insurers if the pool only includes those currently insured..
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
2:01 pm
Jay I agree with you on your opinion of the ruling from the court, but then you have to start your “this has been the Republicans plan all along to stack the court with conseravtive judges and they will…..blah, blah, blah. Of course the Repbulicans try and stack the court with conservative judge just like the Democrats would try and stack it with liberals. This is what is destroying the politacal discourse in this country, too many people are like you, they believe their side is pure good and the other side is pure evil. Isn’t it enough for you to state that you believe the court is wrong. You seem like a very intelligent person, but just like Rush Limbaugh, you see the devil on the other side of your opinion and not a person. One day you may actually have something nice to say about someone from the other side and be critical of someone on your side. Forget the Repubs and Dems, lets everyone vote Libertarian.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
2:01 pm
“Free Kam.
Free Kam.
Free Kam.”
Kamchak got banned?
1. What for?
2. Thank goodness.
ken
June 26th, 2012
2:01 pm
Donovan, I couldn’t have said it better.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
2:04 pm
Adam — “and because a “lot of libs” are against voter ID laws, they must be FOR undocumented immigrants voting! Also they are FOR dead people voting! See how it works?”
I don’t know if this is *actually* the thought process they’re engaging in, but if it is, it really puts the lie to the notion that conservatives are ‘motivated by logic.’
There are plenty of good reasons to oppose voter ID laws *as they were proposed* in the last few years — but that doesn’t mean that liberals are *categorically opposed* to voter ID laws — just that the ones that conservatives proposed were really, really poorly thought-out.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 26th, 2012
2:05 pm
Jm
Not clear or are you also playing possum?
The Disclose Act. H.R. 5175
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
2:06 pm
“That means they cannot lien or levy or garnish any wages with respect to the civil penalties in the bill – i.e. cannot actually collect if you refuse pay. Further there are no criminal penalties in the bill with respect to the individual mandate.”
Good luck with that when you end up in court over non payment of federal taxes.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
2:06 pm
Pea,
scout was bragging about it so ask him.
kayaker 71
June 26th, 2012
2:06 pm
So, now Bozo and Holder have established a hot line for those who are stopped in Arizona to call the Justice Dept to complain about the way they are being treated, this a result of the one provision that the Supreme Court upheld in the Arizona law. So, now, it appears that Arizona is an open state, anyone can come and go freely without consequences, no police interference…. nothing. And if you are arrested, you can just call old Eric and he’ll make it good. Jan Brewer stated on Greta last night that Bozo had sold Arizona down the river with his imperialist decrees, proclamations and such. The American public is not going to stand for this crap. November, where are you.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 26th, 2012
2:08 pm
Senior Citizen Kane
“I didn’t know an entity on a piece of paper could write or speak.”
That’s funny, everybody else did. Just how senior are you?
A corporation cannot write or speak either. A human must do it for it.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
2:08 pm
kay,
Arizona will go bankrupt from lawyer costs.
Paul
June 26th, 2012
2:08 pm
Towncrier
““Do any on the Right here support the Court’s initial decision, disagree with the Montana court and agree with the Court’s decision to refuse reconsideration?”
What do you want me to say? Logically, if nudity can be a form of protected speech then I suppose money can be as well. I don’t think either are (as speech is just speech), to be candid, but it sure is interesting to see liberals get all riled up about the latter but not the former. A little consistency would help your complaint, I feel.”
Thanks for attempting to answer. What did I want you to say? To respond to the question.
From you answer I gather you are not in favor of the Supreme Court decision or denial of reconsideration.
But what I asked was for those on the Right who supported the Court decision to state why.
So far, none know why they like it, nor are they able to cogently express themselves.
Which is not at all surprising.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
2:08 pm
Pea,
scout was bragging about it so ask him.
Before the bragging, came the crying…
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/06/21/romney-dawdles-and-ducks-on-immigration/?cp=all#comment-988987
(and then the banning? I don’t think Jay ever offered a ’splanation (not that he has to.))
kayaker 71
June 26th, 2012
2:09 pm
getalife, 2:08,
That must make you and the other liberals here really happy. How can you live with yourself.
Adam
June 26th, 2012
2:09 pm
JHM: The voter ID laws were well thought out. They were designed to accomplish the goal of requiring ID of specific forms, and pushing voters out of the process who would not have these things or have easy enough access to them. The whole purpose, from the beginning, was to give Republicans an advantage. It’s why they didn’t include student IDs, it’s why they changed DMV office hours and closed some of them, it’s why they fake offered rides to people without transportation, and it’s why this man said this
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
2:09 pm
Adam:
Your point #2
Those three founding fathers were not on the Supreme Court and therefore their opinion is just that ………….. an opinion ………. same as you or I. They may have also thought slavery was Constitutional so by “your” logic ……………………… we should still have it.
We are a nation of law not opinion.
Paul
June 26th, 2012
2:10 pm
Stevie Ray
“Appointing Obama to SCOTUS is ridiculous”
I believe Jay’s point was to nominate Montana Justice Nelson to the Court.
Exhale.
Relax.
Fo-cus.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
2:10 pm
O.K. Gone for the afternoon.
Everyone be nice ………… and no name calling.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
2:10 pm
Of course corporations are people.
IMO, sophist nonsense.
They are an artificial entity. They are not a person and they have NO constitutional claim to personhood. In spite of the neocons love for legal fiction. And activist (mainly Republican) judges, who treat the US Constitution as a living, breathing document. have extended other rights – not specified in that sacred document that I just referenced – to these corporation FAR beyond those necessary to ensure that they are held liable for debts.
They were once our servants and served us well.
They are now our masters and they damn near destroyed this nation under during the Reign of Error in September of 2008. And unlike that cowardly idiot, Dick Cheney, men of integrity and vision predicted this exact scenario hundreds of years ago:
I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. ~Thomas Jefferson
And…
The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. They denounce as public enemies all who question their methods or throw light upon their crimes. Corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. ~Abraham Lincoln’s biographer
Jay
June 26th, 2012
2:11 pm
Kam isn’t banned.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
2:12 pm
Jan Brewer stated on Greta last night that Bozo had sold Arizona down the river with his imperialist decrees, proclamations and such.
hee hee. Got video? I mean, I’d love to hear that screech owl calling the President an “imperialist.”
Adam
June 26th, 2012
2:13 pm
Anyway JHM, it’s perfectly logical, as long as you take an assertion on faith. For instance:
Talk radio asserts dead people are voting. Talk radio also asserts voter ID laws will fix this problem. It also asserts, incorrectly, that you need an ID for just about everything (more on that in a minute). And then it asserts liberals are against the laws. If you hear all that, you can put the pieces together to mean liberals support letting dead people vote. In fact, talk radio often asserts that very thing. And as you can see from the assertions, not much truth exists i them if you cared to look. But people don’t look up their news anymore, they have it spoon fed, usually from sources that tell them what they think they want to hear.
Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
2:13 pm
Jm-TSPLOST @ 2:06
As an attorney, I am fully confident there will be no issue when dealing with the IRS. I have worked with them for years. If you have facts and relevant law in order I have had no issues in representing my clients.
Actually in reading some of the Congressional record when this provision was being discussed, there was concern raised by some that this could result in draconian enforcement action by the IRS. By way of compromise the enforcement mechanism was essentially gutted. I’m not saying you won’t still be legally liable for the penalty but they cannot take any of your property, place a lien on it, garnish your wages in order to satisfy the amount owed. Further they cannot incarcerate you.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
2:13 pm
“Kam isn’t banned.”
Damn…too good to be true.
Adam
June 26th, 2012
2:14 pm
Scout: Those three founding fathers were not on the Supreme Court and therefore their opinion is just that ………….. an opinion
What the hell kind of logical backflips and cognitive dissonance rattles around in your head to come up with the people who WROTE THE CONSTITUTION “just have an opinion.”
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
2:14 pm
Kam isn’t banned.
eh, you’re no fun at all, Jay. Couldn’t you just play along for awhile?
getalife
June 26th, 2012
2:15 pm
Where is Kam?
kay,
It was self inflicted so I have no pity for that.
Paul
June 26th, 2012
2:15 pm
kayaker 71
“So, now Bozo and Holder have established a hot line…to call the Justice Dept to complain about the way they are being treated… The American public is not going to stand for this crap. November, where are you.”
So do I take it that during your 31 years in the military, when you attended staff meetings as an O-6, that you voiced the opinion that the Commander’s Hot Line, the Office of the Inspector General and other such entities where people could send in concerns of possible illegal activity, were a bunch of crap and should be abolished?
kayaker 71
June 26th, 2012
2:18 pm
Bookman,
I have avoided the word “hack” for a long time now as regards to you. The word is demeaning and cruel and depicts a person with blind loyalty to a cause which all common sense tells you to avoid. How can a person of your supposed intelligence and knowledge continue to defend what this president does and says? You cannot possibly ignore all of this and still maintain credibility. I have blogged on this site for close to four years now and have yet to see you with a distaff opinion for any liberal cause, no matter how insane it might be. I will continue to avoid the word “hack” to describe you……. for awhile longer, that is.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 26th, 2012
2:20 pm
I think I saw Kam early today at a Starbucks….. wait, maybe it was the Whole Foods.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
2:21 pm
stands, LOL.
Watching pea pee all over himself at that prospect was kinda humorous…
kayaker 71
June 26th, 2012
2:21 pm
Paul, 2:15,
Apples and Oranges.
Adam
June 26th, 2012
2:22 pm
How can a person of your supposed intelligence and knowledge continue to defend what this president does and says
You answered your own question – because he is intelligent and has knowledge. I would suggest to you that perhaps those who peddle the nonsense that defending what Obama says and does (sometimes, not all the time, mind you – Jay has criticized him as well) is somehow stupid are the ones who should look more closely at just how willfully ignorant, partisan, and feverish they are being.
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
2:23 pm
Kayaker 71
Jay seems like a good guy and smart enough, he has just been sucked into the current of todays politics. Put your blinders on and support your team, regardless. The conservatives has the same blinders with the last president.
Adam
June 26th, 2012
2:23 pm
Keep Up. Yeah, he was in an Escalade. I’m not sure what year though, since there’s been no recognizable change to the body style since their 2002 model year…. so I don’t know if it’s new or used. But it was washed and well taken care of, so it MUST have been new….
kayaker 71
June 26th, 2012
2:24 pm
Outta here. This is just too much.
Jay
June 26th, 2012
2:24 pm
Your continued restraint is noted, kayaker.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
2:24 pm
Watching pea pee all over himself at that prospect was kinda humorous…
that didn’t bother me, actually. I’ve expressed somewhat similar happiness when an especially irksome regular has gone beyond-the-beyond and gotten himself red-carded.
Figured PD was entitled to do the same, without the same “why do you hate free speech? why do you support Bookman’s censorship?” nonsense.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
2:24 pm
Granny 2:05
I don’t know anything about the disclose act
I am generally in favor of transparency as long as nothing violates proprietary business secrets
Paul
June 26th, 2012
2:25 pm
kayaker 71
“Paul, 2:15,
Apples and Oranges.”
Why? There’s this word known as “because” that people use to join a phrase with reasons supporting the phrase.
Both are set up to allow people to report illegal actions of those in a position of authority.
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
2:26 pm
Adam
I would love to see the blog where Jay disagreed with one of the Presidents opinions, policys, or beliefs. I have seen where he disagrees with HOW the President is going about thing, but NEVER, EVER about one of his policys.
Senior Citizen Kane
June 26th, 2012
2:26 pm
‘A corporation cannot write or speak either. A human must do it for it.’
Exactly my point to begin with. Thank you .
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
2:27 pm
Jam and SfD
If he had on depends he could have kept on going. Since he didn’t the will be back after a brief intermission.
Mr_B
June 26th, 2012
2:28 pm
” Logically, if nudity can be a form of protected speech then I suppose money can be as well. I don’t think either are (as speech is just speech), to be candid, but it sure is interesting to see liberals get all riled up about the latter but not the former. A little consistency would help your complaint, I feel.”
The difference is that nudity, flag-burning, arm band wearing, and other forms of “symbolic” speech convey a message in and of themselves, that is they speak to us about a specific topic on some level.
Money has no independent “meaning.” Other than the expression “Money talks.”
Skip
June 26th, 2012
2:28 pm
Scout must be cleaning his guns.
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
2:28 pm
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
2:26 pm
Kyle’s blog is that way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Jay’s a Democrat. It’s not in his blood to disagree w/ Obama’s policies.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
2:29 pm
Peadawg 2:13
ditto
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
2:29 pm
“he will……….”
Paul
June 26th, 2012
2:30 pm
Jay
Off comment.
Texas recently had a ’stand your ground’ trial. Middle-aged retired firefighter was known for telling people how he could shoot someone and get away with it if he cited Texas’ ’stand your ground’ law. Neighbor was having a birthday party for his daughter. The antagonist
“In a 22-minute video he recorded that night, Rodriguez can be heard telling a police dispatcher “my life is in danger now” and “these people are going to go try and kill me.” He then said, “I’m standing my ground here,” and shot Danaher after somebody appeared to grab his camera. The two other men were wounded.”
Jury deliberations took only a few hours. He was found guilty and will be sentenced any day now.
The victim paid a terrible price for this person asserting he knew what the law really said and what it allowed him to do.
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/06/14/4033487/texas-man-in-stand-your-ground.html#storylink=misearch
Jay
June 26th, 2012
2:31 pm
I’d disagree with Obama more often if the Republicans offered me a sane alternative.
mm
June 26th, 2012
2:31 pm
“Of course corporations are people.”
I’ve never seen one in the military.
I’ve never seen one arrested.
I’ve never seen one run for office.
I’ve never seen one at the drive thru.
I could do this all day.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
2:32 pm
K71 — “Bookman, I have avoided the word “hack” for a long time now as regards to you.”
I’m sure Jay returns the favor only too gladly.
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
2:33 pm
Peadawg
I really don’t read Kyle’s blog that much, don’t know why, maybe because he doesn’t answer the statements made as much as Jay does. Everyone is so set in their opinions and beliefs that their is no more sitting down and reaching middle ground, such as Reagan and Tip O’Neaill sitting down and hashing out aggreements.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
2:33 pm
Skip — “Scout must be cleaning his guns.”
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
2:33 pm
“I’d disagree with Obama more often if the Republicans offered me a sane alternative.”
Sorry, I don’t see republicans running to the left of Obama. He’s already tiptoeing to stay in bounds on that side of the field already.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
2:34 pm
Kayaker
You feeling ok today? I know you just didn’t call out someone for “blind loyalty”, did you?
Senior Citizen Kane
June 26th, 2012
2:34 pm
mm
June 26th, 2012
2:31 pm
“Of course corporations are people.”
I’ve never seen one in the military.
I’ve never seen one arrested.
I’ve never seen one run for office.
I’ve never seen one at the drive thru.
I could do this all day.
But you’ve seen people who work for them do all of the above. I love how you people keep making my point for me.
mm
June 26th, 2012
2:34 pm
“Outta here. This is just too much.”
Yes, you should go to a con blog where everyone lives in your fantasy land.
mm
June 26th, 2012
2:35 pm
“But you’ve seen people who work for them do all of the above. I love how you people keep making my point for me.”
Wow, what a stretch. Did your nose hit the screen when you typed that?
Jay
June 26th, 2012
2:36 pm
That’s a sad story, Paul. I bet a number of people have made similar calculations about the law but did so more quietly and got away with it.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 26th, 2012
2:37 pm
Jay @ 1431:
I agree with that and the Shape Shifter is no sane alternative…
getalife
June 26th, 2012
2:37 pm
Money is not free speech and corporations are not people.
Just con sc activism.
mdouglasman
June 26th, 2012
2:37 pm
Another worthless bit of blather. Corporations are owned by the shareholders and the owners elect the directors,,,,,,seems just like a union, doesn’t it…and who do the union bosses contribute their members money to???? Geez…grow up.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
2:38 pm
“I’ve never seen one in the military.
I’ve never seen one arrested.”
Never heard of hallivurton, northrop grumman, blackwater, raytheon? I could do this all day.
Never heard of worldcom, Arthur Andersen, enron? I could do this all day….
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
2:39 pm
Be honest Jay you would never find any of their opinions sane, they are the DEVIL. So I guess all the Republicans in Washington are horrible, stupid people that have never had a good idea. I disagree with alot of the ideas of President Obama, but I believe that he thinks they are the best way to go about things and do right for the country. I repect him for that. Just you saying that the Republicans do not have SANE alternatives, shows that you have no respect for them, implying that all of their ideas are insane. It took 2 political parties to get this country in this mess, not just one.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
2:39 pm
Chuck,
kyle responded to me with name calling.
He does not respond to cons in his echo chamber.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
2:39 pm
S. C. Kane — “But you’ve seen people who work for them do all of the above.”
Irrelevant. A group is not afforded some sort of ‘associate personhood status’ simply by dint of being made up of humans. The membership of an organization do not somehow transfer their status as persons to their employer or to any organizations to which they belong.
Are you seriously claiming that personhood somehow ‘rubs off’ on one’s employer?
“I love how you people keep making my point for me.”
Far from it; in fact, I don’t think you actually *have* a point.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 26th, 2012
2:39 pm
Senior Citizen Kane
Making your point for you?
Nope.
Not even close.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
2:41 pm
He’s already tiptoeing to stay in bounds on that side of the field already.
What a load of cow patties.
Repudiated with the facts many times on this forum alone.
And as your brilliant colleague, Mr Sinkwich once wrote, your argument would be stronger if you were more specific.
LOL.
Like that is ever gonna happen!
Jay
June 26th, 2012
2:42 pm
Seriously, I know for a fact that I disagreed with Clinton more often than I disagree with Obama. And I do wonder why. I think the main reason is that on so many issues — everything from taxes to foreign policy to the environment to gay rights — there is no sane alternative to what Obama proposes.
In that sense, the Republicans have made it very easy for him.
mm
June 26th, 2012
2:42 pm
“Never heard of hallivurton, northrop grumman, blackwater, raytheon? I could do this all day.”
Sorry, they dont serve in the military. They just rip it off.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
2:42 pm
If the government wants to stop taxing and stop regulating corporations, I’d say: fine, no lobbying and no political involvement
But that would be stupid and only a sane solution to lala liberals
You can’t have your cake and eat it too libs
Corporations have rights, or they don’t. But if they don’t, then you can’t regulate or tax them either.
Which is it libs?
getalife
June 26th, 2012
2:43 pm
jm,
You are talking about the mic. They don’t put on the uniform and fight.
corporations are not arrested.
You live in corporate utopia la la land.
Jay
June 26th, 2012
2:45 pm
Chuck, what’s your strongest area of agreement with GOP policy? Be specific if you can.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
2:45 pm
seems just like a union
Yep.
And as you corporatist Republicans have been a forty year union-busting binge, I’m going on a forty year corporation-busting binge…
All that you have succeeded in doing was enabling the men who have driven wages in this country down into the dumps.
To the point where a HUGE percentage of working people in this country now make less money (adjusted for inflation) than they did when Carter was president.
You’ve done a heckuva job, connies.
Might as well try a different approach, huh?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 26th, 2012
2:46 pm
jm@1442,
http://lolcats.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/04/13/funny-cat-pictures-whuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttttt/
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
2:46 pm
” I know for a fact that I disagreed with Clinton more often than I disagree with Obama”
Because Clinton was right of Obama
And you are left of Obama…. (logical conclusion)
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
2:46 pm
Jam @ 2:41
I guess he is talking about extending the tax cuts, increasing the deportations of illegals, increasing drone attacks, etc, etc, uh?
mdouglasman
June 26th, 2012
2:47 pm
Jay, let me answer for Chuck…..small goverment..get the hell out of the private sectors lives…..big gov has never worked in the history of mankind
Peadawg
June 26th, 2012
2:47 pm
” I know for a fact that I disagreed with Clinton more often than I disagree with Obama”
Clinton was a lot more moderate.
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
2:47 pm
You are right Jay you are VERY open minded. I agree with you on gay rights, everyone should be treated the same, but complex issues like taxes, foreign policy, and environment you truely believe that their is only one solution and that is President Obama’s. I hope that you are kidding or maybe I have giving you too much credit as intelligent person. At least people can see with that statement why Washington D.C. is at a stand still and nothing get solved, because everyone feels that their way is the only way.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 26th, 2012
2:47 pm
“Corporations have rights, or they don’t. But if they don’t, then you can’t regulate or tax them either.”
Why?
Who made up that rule?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
2:48 pm
Getalife 2:43 “the mic”??
mdouglasman
June 26th, 2012
2:49 pm
Yeah Jamvet…let’s try Greece and the EU approach
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
2:49 pm
Jay I am not a Republican, I am a Libertarian. I disagree with a great deal of the Republican’s ideas, but I do not dismiss all of them off hand.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 26th, 2012
2:50 pm
mdouglasman
austerity has worked soooooo well…..
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
2:50 pm
Granny “no taxation without representation”
Common sense
Go back and delve into the income tax rulings
SC made up that rule as a byproduct of the constitution
Take it up with the long dead judges
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 26th, 2012
2:50 pm
Jay, one comment to your article…. “name that MAN to the Supreme Court”…..shouldn’t that be person?
Jay
June 26th, 2012
2:51 pm
So on foreign policy, Chuck, you think it’s fine to see Romney assembling a team of advisers that reads like the team that got us into the Iraq War and advocates aggressive use of our military overseas?
On the environment, you think it’s fine to pretend that global warming doesn’t exist and is in fact a conspiracy among scientists to ruin the global economy?
getalife
June 26th, 2012
2:51 pm
Chuck,
Your party abused the filibuster and the gop house passes crap that will never pass the Senate.
You give your party a free pass on broken congress.
It takes two to tango chuckie.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
2:51 pm
BOTH, the guy goes through long stretches of posts where he makes no sense at all.
I call it the JM stream of unconsciousness posting.
To wit, check out this doozy…
Corporations have rights, or they don’t.
He would get laughed out of a ninth grade Civics class for writing that one on the chalkboard…
massachusetts refugee
June 26th, 2012
2:52 pm
getalife – i agree with your 237, but until or unless roberts, thomas, alito, and/or scalia resign, or move on to the great beyond, it’s the law of the land. deal with it.
mdouglasman
June 26th, 2012
2:52 pm
What austerity???? $16 trillion
Jay
June 26th, 2012
2:53 pm
With the deficit as high as it is, Chuck, you think it’s responsible to refuse to consider tax hikes as part of the solution and in fact to advocate continued tax cuts?
getalife
June 26th, 2012
2:54 pm
jm,
Military industrial complex is the powerful mic.
The other powerful corruption group is the coc. Chamber of Commerce.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 26th, 2012
2:55 pm
Jm
No taxation without representation is your arguement?
Really? That’s what you call common sense.
Sorry, Jm nope.
Common sense is that coporations are not people.
Made up of, employers of, run by…..but not people.
Jay
June 26th, 2012
2:55 pm
No, Keep. If I wrote “person”, then I might be opening the door to letting a corporation sit on the Supreme Court.
mdouglasman
June 26th, 2012
2:56 pm
Jay..2:53 YES. Stop the spending..
getalife
June 26th, 2012
2:56 pm
“it’s the law of the land. deal with it.”
Which part of losing the class war do you not understand?
Of course, we have to deal with this sc mandate until a new generation fights to change it.
Bow down like the cons.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
2:56 pm
I agree with cons that as long as you tax and regulate corporations, then they also have rights
Apparently libs don’t believe that
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 26th, 2012
2:56 pm
mdouglasman
you don’t have any real idea why the EU is in the mess its in do you?
dismissed.
Adam
June 26th, 2012
2:57 pm
Jay: I agree with Obama on some things and not on others, but it’s not BECAUSE the Republicans are currently crazy. That’s just why I won’t vote for a single one of them until they become sane again. It doesn’t mean I support armed drones, which both parties support.
GFY
June 26th, 2012
2:57 pm
Let’s try the approach the Greeks are doing with higher taxes….what’s the worst that could happen?
harvey
June 26th, 2012
2:57 pm
But, it is ok for unions to force their employees to pay up and then use the money to support their favorite candidates? Get real.
Paul
June 26th, 2012
2:57 pm
mdouglasman
“mall goverment..get the hell out of the private sectors lives”
You’re not here very often, are you? Else you’d know such facts as the rate of regulation issuance vs the previous administration, how low this administration’s spending on new programs is compared to previous administrations, how low this administration’s growth of public sector jobs is compared to previous administrations, that sort of stuff.
So, exactly what did you mean by
“small government”
and “get the hell out of private sectors lives”?
Jay
June 26th, 2012
2:58 pm
Adam, I support the use of drones, and did so under Bush as well. We have enemies who want to kill us, and I’m all for getting them first if we can.
Stevie Ray
June 26th, 2012
2:58 pm
JAY,
I agree that global warming/climate change is a hoax and that the actual science of the climate is too new to lend credence to….i think you already knew this however…it is a conspiracy to both make idiots like Gore millions and to validate a new science who are making projections 50 years down the road…
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
2:59 pm
I also agree with cons (and Clinton) that lower tax rates with fewer and lower deductions is good policy
getalife
June 26th, 2012
2:59 pm
“Jay..2:53 YES. Stop the spending..”
What spending did your party cut?
EJ Moosa
June 26th, 2012
2:59 pm
I have to wonder if the name is removed and you were only able to talk about POTUS doing this or that.
Would you then be willing to agree that executive orders are being misused? Or that POTUS needed approval before launching that war?
There are far too many here who base their decisions as to what is acceptable or not on who is in the White House.
Or who is running Congress.
Until then, it’s just more of the same…..
mdouglasman
June 26th, 2012
2:59 pm
Yes, Granny..no personal responsibility…ask their unions
John Birch
June 26th, 2012
2:59 pm
Of course this is just another part of the traitor Reagan’s legacy. He started vetting potential SC appointees to ensure they were conservative enough after O’connor was such a disappointment. Still this court is probably better than when we had the revisionist liberals Marshall and Brennan ruling the death penalty constituted cruel and unusual punishment.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:00 pm
A corporate supreme court. Now Jay has done gone and scared ME and I don’t scare near as easy as a con.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
3:00 pm
I’m fine with drones
As long as we’re not killing Americans with them
Adam
June 26th, 2012
3:00 pm
Jm: Corporations have rights, they just don’t have the same rights as people – because they are NOT people. They should not be allowed to vote, for instance. But they have a tremendous influence on our lives, for good or ill, regardless.
Money is not speech. It’s property. Using money to elevate your speech also is using money to drown out the speech of someone else.
Stevie Ray
June 26th, 2012
3:00 pm
Why doesn’t our impotent congress begin pushing for an amendment clarifying the citizen intent of the constitution? I guess the cash they need from these bullsh*t corporate citizens is impossible to give up..
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
3:01 pm
let’s try Greece and the EU approach
You trot out a silly red herring that has NOTHING to do with flat-lined wages for most people in this country?
Why not an intelligent ON TOPIC response to the facts that I listed?
Look, I get it.
You desperately want to believe your Republican masters and their bosses on Wall Street.
You actually want to pretend that the Middle Class in this country has not gotten murdered for forty straight years.
You really think that those Titans of Criminal Negligence and Malfeasance were in no way primarily responsible for the horrific devastation and legalized thievery that they unleashed in 2008. That still racks this republic to this very day.
For you, if you just say it over and over and over, there was no Lost Decade to start out his century.
Did you see the AJC article yesterday about the economic demolition that the Atlanta metro region is still going through?
No matter, because I guarantee you that your children and grandchildren are not laughing…
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
3:01 pm
Jm — “I agree with cons that as long as you tax and regulate corporations, then they also have rights. Apparently libs don’t believe that”
I certainly don’t, and I marvel at how you can possibly believe it yourself. Why aren’t you demanding to see corporations’ birth certificates? Especially the long form? And how do you know that they came here *legally?*
For all the shrieking and overreacting y’all do about immigrants and the President somehow being ‘invaders’ and ‘usurpers,’ y’all certainly do seem forgiving when a supposed ‘citizen’ has “Inc” somewhere in its name.
mdouglasman
June 26th, 2012
3:01 pm
Getalife…don’t have a dog in the fight but I do know we cannot continue with the guy we have
Paul
June 26th, 2012
3:01 pm
chuck
“Jay I am not a Republican, I am a Libertarian. I disagree with a great deal of the Republican’s ideas, but I do not dismiss all of them off hand.”
ummmmm…… Jay asked you your strongest area of agreement with GOP policy.
Care to try again?
Answering the question, that is?
By the way, your voter ID registration, on file at your county election office, says Libertarian?
Adam
June 26th, 2012
3:02 pm
Jay: I don’t support armed drones because it further removes the general population from the human cost of war. I can see how they have been used, and it has a practical and net positive effect so far. But I still don’t like it one bit.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
3:02 pm
I’m pro healthcare reform
As long as it doesn’t enlarge government and increases individual choice and freedom
Which single payer does not do
getalife
June 26th, 2012
3:02 pm
jm,
What was the tax rate under Clinton?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
3:02 pm
Harvey — “But, it is ok for unions to force their employees to pay up and then use the money to support their favorite candidates? Get real.”
Harvey, the SCOTUS ruled against that a few days ago. Pay attention, please.
Matti
June 26th, 2012
3:02 pm
If I incorporate myself, can I keep “small government” from peeking underneath my paper gown at the doctor’s office, and climbing inside my va-hoo-ha to make my personal medical decisions for me? Just curious.
massachusetts refugee
June 26th, 2012
3:03 pm
i’ve “lost” nothing, and bow to no man, or party. i still get to vote (for what that’s worth); i still get to make up my own mind about who to vote for. how much money some candidate’s PAC spends has no bearing on my opinions. not my problem if the great unwashed are so easily bought; been that way since the beginning of the republic.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
3:03 pm
Matti — “my va-hoo-ha”
I’m sorry, but I’m not a physician. Is that the medical term?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 26th, 2012
3:03 pm
mdouglasman
trying the 3 guesses thing?
you got 2 more.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 26th, 2012
3:03 pm
mdouglasman
trying the 3 guesses thing?
you got 2 more.
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
3:03 pm
Jay on foreign policy there is overly hawkish policy’s like Bush’s and there is overly dovish policy’s like Carter’s. On the environment I still haven’t heard in a true alternate to our energy problems. You have Corn, Solar, and Wind and they are no closer to being viable than they were 30 years ago, and they are used as a way to give away money for buying votes for both sides. How many BILLIONS and BILLIONS have we giving away to company’s that have already bolted their doors. There can’t only be one way.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
3:03 pm
“continue with the guy we have”
Do you want another collapse?
Are you expecting a different result if the gop win?
Common Sense
June 26th, 2012
3:04 pm
“Money is not speech. It’s property.”
No, it’s not. Otherwise money could NOT be taken from you without due process.
And it is….all the time.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 26th, 2012
3:05 pm
Jay expressing his liberal hawkishness at 2:58 I see.
So it can then be presumed, I suppose, that in your view the danger of creating new terrorists with each strike is overblown, or non-existent? And if that’s what you believe, have you really thought that through?
Let’s say a man, a non-terrorist, living in Pakistan or Yemen, has his pregnant wife blown up by one of our drones even though she herself was not a militant either. Do you really believe that there is a zero increase in the likelihood of his giving aid to the opponents of America after suffering such a loss at our hands?
I honestly find that claim as unbelievable as the claim that unlimited corporate cash in political campaigns carries no risk of corruption or the appearance thereof.
John Birch
June 26th, 2012
3:05 pm
Jay – Obama campaigned on 2 more brigades (maybe 5000 troops) into Afghanistan and then got the speech from General Dynamics et all and sent in 10 times 5000 uttering some nonsense about more troops now = less troops later. And he caved in on reversing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Hope and Change sounded fine but the reality has been nothing but a healthcare bill 2/3 of Americans are against.
mdouglasman
June 26th, 2012
3:05 pm
JamVet, I’ve done quite well the last decade because I worked and to coin an old phrase, “I earned it”…why don’t you pick yourself up[ and stop whining and maybe you will be a success one of these days…but blame it on everything, everyboby but yourself
Adam
June 26th, 2012
3:05 pm
JHM: Harvey, the SCOTUS ruled against that a few days ago. Pay attention, please.
Before now, I didn’t realize how much wind this took out of the conservative poutrage sails on this issue. Thank you, Joe.
Of course it’ll probably be like the people who somehow think education or transportation is fully funded, despite continued removal of funding and the claim “hey look, it’s not working!” All you have to do is pretend the thing you are doing to dismantle something never happened so you can dismantle some more.
EJ Moosa
June 26th, 2012
3:06 pm
“With the deficit as high as it is, Chuck, you think it’s responsible to refuse to consider tax hikes as part of the solution and in fact to advocate continued tax cuts?”
The deficit is high? With Obama the Frugal?
Paul
June 26th, 2012
3:06 pm
EJ Moosa
“Would you then be willing to agree that executive orders are being misused? ”
It was asked earlier: with all the angst among Republicans over Pres Obama’s directive regarding immigration, the charges of not enforcing the laws on the books, violating his oath of office, etc
what do you think of Candidate Romney’s pledge to issue an executive order overturning the health care law?
And any ideas why the Right hasn’t condemned him for his pledge?
getalife
June 26th, 2012
3:06 pm
chuckie,
We are investing in green energy and some will fail.
Our President is strong on national security and refuses to lose that argument with actions.
You are not informed by watching fox and reading drudgey.
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
3:07 pm
Jay tax those rich people at 100% and still will not make the smallest bit a diffence in the long run. We have to slash spending, not cut spending, SLASH spending. Take 100 % of all of the money above $100,000 that every in the country makes and you will not be able to run the country in the black. Before you say anything, Yes I believe that military spending needs to be slashed as well and I sell steal to the Navy.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
3:09 pm
chuckie,
We lost a decade of growth because something happened.
What happened chuckie?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
3:09 pm
Chuck — “I sell steal to the Navy.”
Is that your way of saying that you gouge the military with “cost-plus” contracts?
mdouglasman
June 26th, 2012
3:09 pm
Getalife, Jam…got to go to work…get the crops in.
Mr_B
June 26th, 2012
3:10 pm
“I agree with cons that as long as you tax and regulate corporations, then they also have rights
Apparently libs don’t believe that”
Here’s a few other things that are taxed or regulated:
Tobacco
Alcohol
Sporting goods
Explosives
Pharmaceuticals
Meat products
Radioactive materials
I guess the all should have “rights” too.
Stevie Ray
June 26th, 2012
3:11 pm
GETAFIFE,
The investments in greencrap per President Trillions wasted stimulus all went to campaign bundlers and cronies…in some cases, the cronies set up shell companies to accept the loans or grants the sold with profit to existing manufacturing cos…our government hard at work using our tax dollars to pay off political IOU’s…Bush wasn’t excepted and neither is President Spineless…
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
3:11 pm
Getalife
Unless they find companies that are in it for profits and not government handouts, they will ALL fail. See the auto industry and banks, how many times do we have to bail out Chrysler anyways. Name one successful green tech company that is standing on its own feet with no government crutch.
Adam
June 26th, 2012
3:11 pm
Common Sense: Otherwise money could NOT be taken from you without due process.
Taxes are Constitutional. Get over it. Further, the Constitution does not say what form the taxes must take (i.e. currency). It is legal, and constitutional, for them to take your property, whether that is in the form of currency or not. Currency is just easier to deal with and helps determine value.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
3:11 pm
“get the crops in”
The gop are fighting to end your farm subsidy.
Do you hire immigrants?
getalife
June 26th, 2012
3:12 pm
chuckie,
What happened to our economy under w?
Paul
June 26th, 2012
3:12 pm
chuck 3:03
You really don’t want to answer Jay’s question, do you?
mdouglasman
You really have no idea what you mean when you repeat the phrases ’smalll government” and “get the government out of private sector lives” do you?
I’ll try to give you a hint at what I think you mean with getting government out of private sector lives:
Sequestration is going to cut about $50 billion a year from Defense. DoD asserts that will result in the loss of thousands of jobs at corporations like Boeing, Lockheed and small companies.
Is that what you mean by getting the government ouf of the private sector lives?
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
3:12 pm
JamVet, I’ve done quite well the last decade because I worked and to coin an old phrase, “I earned it”…
I doubt it, but even so.
All that matters to you is you. And maybe Donald Trump.
You could give a flying ___ about your neighbors, community or nation.
Presuming you are old enough, you must have made a perfect Reaganista.
F&ck America and everyone else, I got mine…
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
3:13 pm
I sell steel going to the Navy, not directly to the Navy, I am sorry I misspoke there. We have gotten away from dealing directly with the Navy, way too much hassle.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:13 pm
Jay tax those rich people at 100%
I beg to differ. Merely raising taxes back to a net 35 percent on those people formerly known as corporations will make quite a sizeable dent in the deficit and debt in short order.
Stevie Ray
June 26th, 2012
3:14 pm
Chuck,
I agree about trivial impact of taxing all the “rich”….heck I don’t even know what the definition of “rich” is anymore…where exactly does middle class end and “rich” begin?
Why not cut the military 20% and EVERYTHING else, including entitlements by 10%? Once again, our corruptresentatives are financially conflicted from doing right thing..
getalife
June 26th, 2012
3:14 pm
stevie,
Some are not failing.
Big oil is making record profits and don’t need your help.
Stand up, you look silly bowing down.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 26th, 2012
3:14 pm
Chuck: “Jay tax those rich people at 100% and still will not make the smallest bit a diffence in the long run. We have to slash spending, not cut spending, SLASH spending”
Who fed you that absolute nonsense?
Why did you even ever start worrying about “spending” anyway?
It’s because someone told you to.
And the way they did it?
They convinced you in your naivete to apply an inappropriate metaphor to federal budgets, namely the “family kitchen table” metaphor according to which a federal budget operates just like a family’s budget, where every cent has to be paid back in full to an external creditor.
In your ignorance, you’ve bought a sham argument hook, line, and sinker simply because it appeals to your moral sensibilities.
Jefferson
June 26th, 2012
3:14 pm
Tax @ 100%, anything after that type of nonsense is just stupid…
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:14 pm
Jay tax those rich people at 100%.
I beg to differ. Merely raising taxes back to a net 35 percent on those people formerly known as corporations will make quite a sizeable dent in the deficit and debt in short order.
Adam
June 26th, 2012
3:15 pm
TaxPayer: I beg to differ. Merely raising taxes back to a net 35 percent on those people formerly known as corporations will make quite a sizeable dent in the deficit and debt in short order.
Spoiler alert! Someone is going to complain about GE under the false assumption that you somehow mean to exclude them!
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:16 pm
Oops. Double postation is almost as bad as double taxation.
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
3:16 pm
Getalife
I agree Bush hurt the economy right along with his Democratic Congress and Senate. You people have to see that both sides played a part in the failures.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
3:17 pm
Chuck — “Name one successful green tech company that is standing on its own feet with no government crutch.”
Name one successful US petroleum company that’s standing on its own two feet with no government crutch.
Also name one successful US energy company that’s producing nuclear power without Federal assistance.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
3:17 pm
And any ideas why the Right hasn’t condemned him for his pledge?
Do the letters “IOKIYAR” ring any bells?
getalife
June 26th, 2012
3:18 pm
For those expecting a different result other than another gop collapse:
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results ”
The gop just spent 642 billion on the military.
Lets live in the real world cons.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
3:18 pm
Getalife 3:02 higher than it is now
So what?
His own budget guy said as they were leaving that we needed lower rates and fewer deductions (lower the rates, broaden the base)
Incidentally, Simpson Bowles said the same thing
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
3:19 pm
The use of solar energy has not been opened up because the oil industry does not own the sun. ~Ralph Nader
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
3:19 pm
Obama is over @ 1:09
Your post confirms that Obama’s executive immigration order last week is illegal and unenforcable because he circumvented Congress- and thus it is not a law.
I don’t recall anybody ever saying he was enacting laws at all. What he did is no different than what previouse presidents have done with signing statments and executive orders. If you didn’t get your britches in a bunch when GW Bush, Clinton, GHW Bush, Reagan, or any other president did the same thing, you might want to look a bit deep into your soul to see what your true motivation is for disliking what Obama did.
—————–
Jay
June 26th, 2012
2:31 pm
I’d disagree with Obama more often if the Republicans offered me a sane alternative.
I second the motion!!!
John Birch
June 26th, 2012
3:19 pm
Chuck – It’s worse than that. If you taxed all the evil rich 100% and confiscated all their property you couldn’t run the Obama government for a year. And then what would you do with no rich to tax, millions of jobs lost as the wealthy’s investments were turned into political paybacks to unions, etc.? I’m in favor of eliminating all recessive taxes, capital gains, dividends, and SS, but it won’t balance the budget.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
3:20 pm
Chuckie,
It collapsed under w.
The buck stops with the President.
Stop deflecting blame, man up and admit it.
Paul
June 26th, 2012
3:20 pm
sfd
“IOKIYAR”
Then there’s “IRDKBISGWIHIOTR”
It’s the unwritten answer to all my questions that bloggers are unable to answer:
“I really don’t know but it sounds good when I hear it on the radio.”
Stevie Ray
June 26th, 2012
3:20 pm
GETALIFE,
Screw oil companies…we agree on that…$6.5 billion of $20 billion of Green Stimulus was invested in companies, beyond Solyndra, that have failed…also, more to follow with several of the more significant loans/grants…
I think we get hosed by big oil and feel the only successful tactic is to drill and frac our tails off…
Paul
June 26th, 2012
3:22 pm
Chuck – John Birch
The only people talking about taxing the rich at 100% are right wingers who say that’s what left wingers want to do.
Typical.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
3:22 pm
jm,
You do not cut or raise taxes after a collapse.
President Clinton is right about this fact.
Europe did not listen, tried austerity and now look at them.
Live in the real world jm.
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
3:23 pm
Welcome to the occupation
Yes you are correct, anyone that disagrees with your opinion has to be stupid. I may not be the economic sevant that you are, but I believe that I am able to read some books, weigh the options and come up with my own opinion. I do not need to be lead by anyone. Maybe if you were as smart as you seem to think you are, you could come up with away to disagree somone without being insulting
getalife
June 26th, 2012
3:24 pm
stevie,
You focus on failures but some green companies are making it.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
3:24 pm
Corporations aren’t people, but like it or not they have rights
Sorry delusional people, sorry you lost
Get over it
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
3:24 pm
dB @ 3:17
I think we have a winner!!!!!!
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
3:24 pm
“I really don’t know but it sounds good when I hear it on the radio.”
The rally cry that launched a thousand Fair Tax bumper stickers.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
3:25 pm
jm,
We lost the class war .
We accept this fact.
John Birch
June 26th, 2012
3:25 pm
Welcome – It’s not nonsense. Go to the Forbes list and add up all the wealth of the top 400 in the US. Forget the income that’s a lot less, add up the accumulated wealth and it’s way less than the $3.2T the US will spend this year. The nonpartisan committee suggested three to four parts cost cutting with one part tax increases. You can’t balance the budget when you have 55% producers and 45% leeches.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:26 pm
John Birch really does not have a clue regarding the net worth of wealthiest.
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
3:26 pm
Getalife
It stops with the president, you can’t really believe that. If it “takes a village to raise a child” then it takes a village to destroy the economy. I hear the President blaming the other side for the slow recovery everyday, maybe you should tell him that “it stops with the president”.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
3:26 pm
Jm — “Corporations aren’t people, but like it or not they have rights”
Show me where the Constitution grants them even *one* right.
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
3:26 pm
Then there’s “IRDKBISGWIHIOTR”
You know I’m gonna co-opt that, right?
getalife
June 26th, 2012
3:27 pm
chuckie,
You ignore the facts like w collapsed the global economy so don’t expect an honest debate.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 26th, 2012
3:27 pm
Chuck: “Yes you are correct, anyone that disagrees with your opinion has to be stupid”
Who said anything about opinion? What I laid out above is fact. The problem is that an ideological insurgency owns the public discourse and uses its dominance to peddle falsehoods. Under such a regime I have no patience for the slime that passes for information and no time for niceties. If that sounds mean, tough.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:27 pm
International Paper Co. – 2010
CEO compensation: $12.3 million
U.S. federal income taxes: $249 million refund
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
3:27 pm
J. Birch — “You can’t balance the budget when you have 55% producers and 45% leeches.”
If you have such a low opinion of your fellow countrymen, then perhaps you should leave for greener pastures elsewhere.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:28 pm
Prudential Financial
CEO compensation: $16.2 million
U.S. federal income taxes: $722 million refund
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:28 pm
GE
CEO compensation: $15.2 million
U.S. federal income taxes: $3.3 billion refund
Stevie Ray
June 26th, 2012
3:29 pm
GETALIFE,
The only one that has consistently performed is GE…who is the worlds’ largest producer of wind turbines…familiar crony smell to that one wouldn’t you agree?
John Birch
June 26th, 2012
3:29 pm
Paul – way too literal man. It’s hyperbole to make the point that even at 100% it wouldn’t end the deficit. BTW, allowing the AJC’s owner, worth $12B or so to pay a lower rate on her $1B annual income than I pay on what I actually work to earn is criminal.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:29 pm
Verizon
CEO compensation: $18.1 million
U.S. federal income taxes: $705 million refund
td
June 26th, 2012
3:29 pm
Eustis
June 26th, 2012
3:26 pm
“After reading this, I understand why td was banned from Bookman.”
Sorry Jay, but just had to prove another left winger wrong by posting here with their comments.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
3:29 pm
chuckie sounds like all the other cons.
Ignore the facts and spew con talking points with no intellectual honesty.
Same ole same ole.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
3:29 pm
Paul and the only bloggers who ever use the word *evil* are those with pitiful vocabularies unable to use cogent adjectives.
An email from the awesome people at Vote Vets…
We’re taking millionaire Representative Denny Rehberg (who is running for Senate against Senator Jon Tester) to task, for voting himself a pay increase five times, while voting against additional funding for prosthetic research that would help over 1600 veterans who lost limbs in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The ad, which is running for a week at a cost of $100,000, features Jim Kearns, an Iraq War Veteran from Helena. In the ad, he says, “I served in Iraq and came home safely. Over 1600 who left limbs in Iraq and Afghanistan weren’t so lucky. But Congressman Rehberg voted against additional critical funding for prosthetic research. Millionaire Rehberg voted to give himself a pay raise. Five times. Then voted against helping wounded vets. And now Congressman Rehberg wants us to call him Senator? No way.”
Indeed, from 2003 through last year, Rehberg continually voted to allow himself a pay raise in Congress, even while his net worth has been estimated to be well over $10 million – putting him in the top 25 richest Members of Congress, according to Roll Call.
Rehberg, in May of this year, voted against a motion to recommit a Veterans Affairs Department appropriation bill that would have increased funding for prosthetic research and development by $28 million. According to a press release from the measure’s sponsor, Congressman John Barrow, “Under the amendment, $56 million in surplus funds would be removed from the BRAC closure account. Half of that amount, $28 million, would be added to funding for medical and prosthetic research. The remaining $28 million would go towards deficit reduction.”
This is a critical time for us. We’re literally deciding which way we’ll go as a nation – give more and more to millionaires, while making cuts to veterans, or show some responsibility and fairness in our budgeting. Ads like these put the stakes into clear terms. We need to run more.
Support the troops.
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:29 pm
Nothing says non-partisan quite like a wise latina woman
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:29 pm
Bank of New York Mellon
CEO compensation: $19.4 million
U.S. federal income taxes: $670 million refund
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
3:30 pm
“The buck stops with the President.”
Not as long as Obama is in office
He passes the buck to (multiple choice)
Bush
Congress
Republicans
The senate
Europe
The house
Bush
Clinton
Banks
Capitalists
Employers
Companies
Bush
The supreme court
Bush
The federal reserve
The SEC
Bush
No wonder the monetary base has grown so much
Obama passes the buck everywhere
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:31 pm
Anyone who blames partisanship soley on Republicans is…well……just not too bright.
US blunders in rebuilding Iraq signal a delining superpower
June 26th, 2012
3:31 pm
Even once adjusted for inflation, the US actually spent more money trying to rebuild Iraq than it did reconstructing Germany. Yet its efforts can hardly be called a success: Iraq’s political system is unstable, its economy stagnant and its people are far from turning – as George W Bush seems to have hoped they would – into contented clones of suburban Americans. Why this disparity in outcomes?
Can we rebuild the U.S. instead? DETROIT could use a lot of help!!
I wonder if Mitt Romney really meant that “we should let Detroit go bankrupt”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWEdjiEJg0U
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
3:31 pm
“45% leeches.”
Why does he hate the evil corporations?
LOL…
John Birch
June 26th, 2012
3:31 pm
Hussein – Thanks for the invite, might consider that in a few years the way thkings are going. But in the meantime I’ll continue blogging and voting libertarian to try and save this country. However, you might prefer one of those Eropean social democracies.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
3:32 pm
Taxpayer
Sorry pal
All your data is irrelevant
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:32 pm
And apparently the not-too-bright crowd are drawn to Bookman’s blog like undocumented workers to a landscaping truck.
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
3:32 pm
Yes I see by how often you are on the VERY VERY important blog, just how valuable your time is. I am sure that you are out there changing the world as we speak, oh I mean after your bogging break. Let me guess 2nd year in the University.
Mr_B
June 26th, 2012
3:32 pm
The nonpartisan committee suggested three to four parts cost cutting with one part tax increases.
Yet not one of the Republican candidates for president would accept even a 1 for 10 ratio of tax increases/ spending cuts. In fact, they uniformly insist on lower taxes.
Nobody ever suggest taxing anyone at 100%, and nobody ever suggested that the deficit and debt could be eliminated by doing so.
Why it is so unthinkable that those who take the most out put the most back in is beyond me.
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
3:33 pm
That last one was for Welcome to the whatever
Mr_B
June 26th, 2012
3:33 pm
And apparently the not-too-bright crowd are drawn to Bookman’s blog like undocumented workers to a landscaping truck.
Well, Ben, you’re here………
Paul
June 26th, 2012
3:33 pm
Brosephus
Goes without sayin’
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:33 pm
Boeing
Pre-tax income: $4.3 billion.
CEO compensation: $13.8 million,
fed income tax: $13 million
state and local taxes: $137 million refund
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
3:34 pm
Off topic, but I sure am glad there’s someone out there to read David Brooks’ columns so that I don’t have to.
if by “column,” you mean, “the blithering faux-intellectualism of a regular-guy-wannabe who has less insight than a dump taken by Larry the Cable Guy”
Joel Edge
June 26th, 2012
3:34 pm
” who favored the preeminence of individual interests over those of big business.”
They had “big business” back then? Wall Street been around longer than I thought.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:34 pm
JM,
You’re irrelevent.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
3:35 pm
J. Birch — “Hussein – Thanks for the invite, might consider that in a few years the way thkings are going. But in the meantime I’ll continue blogging and voting libertarian to try and save this country. However, you might prefer one of those Eropean social democracies.”
No, thanks. We disabled veterans prefer to be where the VA Medical Centers are.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
3:35 pm
Ben 3:31 true
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:35 pm
I mean, nothing says “non-partisan” quite like Obama inviting Republican Congressman to ride in the back of the bus, now does it?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
3:36 pm
B. Shockley — “And apparently the not-too-bright crowd are drawn to Bookman’s blog like undocumented workers to a landscaping truck.”
Res Ipsa Loquitor.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
3:36 pm
All your data is irrelevant
it are belong to us.
John Birch
June 26th, 2012
3:36 pm
Jam – It’s all just Pyschology 101, positive reinforcement works. You give illegal aliens jobs, free food, education, and health care and you get 11 million illegal aliens. You give Americans food, housing, cell phones and cash for not working and you get 45% paying no federal income tax. All they have to do is vote Dem to vote themselves a free lunch as Obama learned back in his “buying votes for Daley” days.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
3:37 pm
“JM,
You’re irrelevent”
First, learn to spell. Second, what grade are you in? Do you make your own lunch yet?
Paul
June 26th, 2012
3:37 pm
John Birch
“Paul – way too literal man. It’s hyperbole to make the point that even at 100% it wouldn’t end the deficit. BTW, allowing the AJC’s owner, worth $12B or so to pay a lower rate on her $1B annual income than I pay on what I actually work to earn is criminal.”
The Right uses it a lot. Just as they now use the word “Only” when it comes to cuts and savings. “It’s ONLY $30 billion a year…”
It appears the Right uses it to say any tax increase at all (except on the lower and middle income earners) is unjustified because it’s “only” such and such an amount and wouldn’t solve the deficit.
It’ is hyperbole, but it comes across as exceedingly silly.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:38 pm
Marsh & McLennan
CEO compensation: $14 million
U.S. federal income taxes: $90 million refund
Marsh & McLennan has lowered its IRS bill by registering 105 subsidiaries in 20 countries considered
tax havens. A full 25 of these are registered in Bermuda, a tax-free zone so popular among insurance companies that some have taken to labeling it “the world’s risk capital.”
Bermuda levies no corporate income tax. Registering in Bermuda can also help insurance companies
avoid pesky insurance regulations.
Though Marsh & McLennan reports that more than 40 percent of its gross revenues come from the
United States and more than 60 percent of its assets are in this country, the company has reported
losses in its U.S. operations for each of the last three years. Successful shifting of its profits to Bermuda and other offshore locations has allowed the company to report strong global profits while avoiding paying any U.S. federal corporate income taxes since 2004.
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:38 pm
Funny when lefties imply it’s republicans or conservatives who can’t think, when you consider it’s republicans/conservatives/libertarians who take personal responsibility for their lives, and it’s the getalifes, JoeHusseins, and JamVets who want government to be their sugar daddy.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
3:38 pm
Obama inviting Republican Congressman to ride in the back of the bus
not intended to be a factual statement.
“Finally we got this car up on level ground. And, yes, it’s a little beat up. It needs to go to the body shop. It’s got some dents; it needs a tune-up. But it’s pointing in the right direction. And now we’ve got the Republicans tapping us on the shoulder, saying, we want the keys back.
“You can’t have the keys back. You don’t know how to drive. You can ride with us if you want, but you got to sit in the backseat. We’re going to put middle-class America in the front seat. We’re looking out for them.”
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
3:38 pm
Mr_B
You said it before I could…
————-
Paul
You do get the credit for being part of the creative team.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
3:39 pm
“Given that no one here has expressed such a desire — and you admit to that — then where did the notion come from that that’s something that “a lot of libs” want?”
I can’t say where the notion came from, JHM. It wasn’t me who said that. I simply said it would not surprise me if not a few Democratic politicians had that desire and Scout subsequently provided proof of at least one.
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:39 pm
I think your post count on this blog exceeds mine by a factor of about 1,000, so right-back-atcha there big boy….
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
3:39 pm
Rob Portman would be a great VP
EJ Moosa
June 26th, 2012
3:40 pm
Paul,
It would be wrong for Romney to do it as well.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:40 pm
Wow, Jm. You really got me with your evidence there. That retort was, how do I put this in a politically correct way just for you, your speed.
John Birch
June 26th, 2012
3:40 pm
Hussein – I understand that, that socialized health care isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. If I remember correctly USINUK never did answer my question wondering why all the Brits that could afford it purchased supplemental insurance if the basic national plan was so good.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
3:41 pm
B. Shockley — “Funny when lefties imply it’s republicans or conservatives who can’t think”
Funnier even when righties get pwned with their own snark and then come back QQing.
“when you consider it’s republicans/conservatives/libertarians who take personal responsibility for their lives”
Objection! Opposing counsel is assuming facts not in evidence.
“and it’s the getalifes, JoeHusseins, and JamVets who want government to be their sugar daddy.”
Survey says . . . BZZZZZZZZT!
One, two, three strikes and you’re out, Benny.
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:41 pm
LMAO at Stands…says “not intended to be factual statement” then proves it to be factual.
Good thing Liberals are so funny, else they would just be completely useless……
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
3:41 pm
I wonder if Mitt Romney really meant that “we should let Detroit go bankrupt”?
It gets even worse. The inveterate liar said that he would have saved Detroit.
And the guys is truly no smarter thatn our average GOP blogger here.
When pressed on how he would have done that, take a wild guess what Flip Flopper’s answer was?
I am convinced that Mr Pretzel Spine has cranial rectal syndrome…
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/mitt-romney-says-he-would-have-saved-detroit-still-vague-on-how.php
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:42 pm
Hussein just doesn’t grip the fact that just because he makes assertions doesn’t mean they are true.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
3:42 pm
Rob Portman would be a great VP
Bush’s OMB Director? Oh please please please.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
3:43 pm
Taxpayer
You’re of very weak intellect. I’m sorry. Be like Obama. Blame your parents or your schooling.
But a company’s tax bill in any given year is irrelevant to the CEO’s salary, in a single year, or ever
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:43 pm
“And the guys is truly no smarter thatn our average GOP blogger here.”
But, also like the average GOP blogger here, he is about 100 times more affluent than JamVet…
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:43 pm
Stanley Black & Decker
CEO compensation: $32.6 million
U.S. federal income taxes: $75 million refund
His big bonus fueled by 4000 job cuts no doubt.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
3:44 pm
John Birch
So all the low ranking enlisted personnel who based on their salary and EITC (If they qualify) all vote Democrat?
Really?
Do tell
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
3:46 pm
Towncrier — “I can’t say where the notion came from, JHM. It wasn’t me who said that. I simply said it would not surprise me if not a few Democratic politicians had that desire and Scout subsequently provided proof of at least one.”
Be honest, please. He provided proof of *one.* And one is not “a few.”
Further, I asked him to provide proof of posters *here* who thought that, and he failed to even *try* to posit anyone. Frankly, I think he’s being both dishonest and dishonorable, and I’m pretty close to just disregarding his future posts.
I think you’re a better person than 0311, and I’d hope you wouldn’t unnecessarily tar yourself with his views.
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:46 pm
“His big bonus fueled by 4000 job cuts no doubt.”
AJC laid off a wad of folks last year. Funny how Bookman never wants to blog about that…..
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
3:47 pm
This almost deserves to be in the News of the Weird.
The Tea Party in Las Cruces, NM met with Representative Steve Pearce’s office urging him to support a constitutional amendment to overturn the disgraceful Citizen’s United ruling.
Hallelujah. It is good to see that there are some Republicans of conscience, who are sick of this corporate owned government and want a return to we the people being the sovereigns in this land…
Welcome to the Occupation
June 26th, 2012
3:47 pm
Chuck:
I don’t know, but I’ll tell you this. I’m going to think twice about how much time I spend on a discussion section where inanities like the following are the norm:
“when you consider it’s republicans/conservatives/libertarians who take personal responsibility for their lives, and it’s the getalifes, JoeHusseins, and JamVets who want government to be their sugar daddy”
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
3:47 pm
then proves it to be factual.
Obama never said “back of the bus.”
I leave it to others as to why you (and thousands of online conservatives) fibbed about that particular phrase.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
3:47 pm
J. Birch — “Hussein – I understand that, that socialized health care isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. If I remember correctly USINUK never did answer my question wondering why all the Brits that could afford it purchased supplemental insurance if the basic national plan was so good.”
Lots of countries with socialized care offer supplemental plans, and IIRC, they’re often *private* plans.
No one here has asserted that socialized care is *perfect,* but it’s better that what we have now.
Mr_B
June 26th, 2012
3:48 pm
I think your post count on this blog exceeds mine by a factor of about 1,000, so right-back-atcha there big boy…
POST ENVY!!!!!!!!!!
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:48 pm
“and I’m pretty close to just disregarding his future posts.”
If you would extend me the same courtesy, I’d sure appreciate it.
Thanks in advance.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:48 pm
Jm,
Your posts appear to contain nothing but personal attacks. I suspect there is a good reason for that and I believe it is because that is all you are capable of providing.
Chuck
June 26th, 2012
3:48 pm
I guess either Welcome to the occupations has either deemed me unworthy to respond to or his has stopped his blogging break to go back and lead the revolution. I can just picture him with his sandles, greasy pony tail with the “CHE” t-shirt that Mommy bought for her little darling. I guess all the fun is over and I am out.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
3:48 pm
B. Shockley — “Hussein just doesn’t grip the fact that just because he makes assertions doesn’t mean they are true.”
And neither do you, especially when you’re making assertions about what other posters think, believe and want.
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:49 pm
Stands, you can do your best to try and spin that…but we’re all laughing at you.
Paul
June 26th, 2012
3:49 pm
EJ Moosa 3:40
You win the prize for the first direct answer to a question today!
You are the ONLY one here, or from what I can tell from what’s repeated here, on radio or television, who has taken that position.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
3:50 pm
B. Shockley — “If you would extend me the same courtesy, I’d sure appreciate it.”
Denied. I don’t do it as a *courtesy* to the person I’m ignoring.
“Thanks in advance.”
Rejected in real time.
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:52 pm
“especially when you’re making assertions about what other posters think, believe and want”
Funny how it never concerns you, or triggers a response, when the usual lib suspects make the same assertions and assumptions.
Which makes you a blind partisan…which is especially ironic, given today’s topic………..
Justice Scalia
June 26th, 2012
3:52 pm
Can’t wait for your comments after Thursday, Jay! You make me laugh.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:52 pm
Chesapeake Energy
Tax breaks subsidize billionaire
CEO’s absurd pay packages
CEO compensation: $21 million
U.S. federal income taxes: $0
Chesapeake Energy paid nothing in federal taxes in 2010, despite $2.8 billion in U.S. pre-tax profits.
The company, the second-largest U.S. producer of natural gas, has historically been the recipient of
massive tax breaks designed to bolster domestic energy production. Businessweek calculates that
Chesapeake paid an average tax rate of 0.3 percent from 2002 to 2006.
These tax breaks have helped subsidize outrageous pay deals for CEO Aubrey McClendon, the 332nd richest American, with a net worth of $1.2 billion.
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:53 pm
Hussein, I really get under your skin, don’t I? Let’s me know I’m scoring points…thanks…
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
3:53 pm
Do not feed the attention troll.
socialized health care isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
Birch, come on down to the VA Hospital on Clairmont with me sometime and I’ll show you how it rocks.
You’ll be absolutely sick (get it?) when you figure out that you have to go back and pay through the nose for second rate care! Presuming that you can even get it…
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
3:54 pm
we’re all laughing at you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_plural
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
3:54 pm
Chuck
We you not calling others out for insults just a few minutes ago?
Don’t be the pot………..
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
3:55 pm
Do not feed the attention troll.
And above all, do not ask about guaranteed annuities that beat the deal you get with Social Security.
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:55 pm
Taxpayer, unless you can document that Chesapeake Energy violated current tax law, which Barack has had 3.5 years to change if he has a problem with it……………your posts have absolutely no relevance (as usual)
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 26th, 2012
3:55 pm
“Chesapeake Energy paid nothing in federal taxes in 2010, despite $2.8 billion in U.S. pre-tax profits”
What about all the sales tax they paid.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
3:55 pm
“By the way, in case it was lost, that video proves that Republicans want voter ID laws for reasons other than the ones they have been touting. And, JUST COINCIDENCE, but those reasons are exactly the same as Democrats have portrayed them – It’s about getting Republicans more of an advantage in elections.”
Sorry, Adam, but that video (all 13 seconds of it) proves no such thing. Would you mind providing the full context for that man’s statement for us here (or is that disagreeable to you)?
And if you want anyway to claim that Republican politicians are deliberately trying (colluding) to disenfranchise voters, then you will likewise have to concede the possibility that Democratic politicians are trying (colluding) to enfranchise voters who should not vote – unless you want to make the absurd claim that Democratic politicians are morally better than their Republican counterparts (which I will be happy to falsify with a great number of documented instances to the contrary).
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:56 pm
Stands likes to document all the times I made him/her look foolish.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 26th, 2012
3:56 pm
Yeah, I’d say capitalism has proven its superiority, obviously …
Structural unemployment in US soaring
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47965065
OECD raises red flag on U.S. long-term unemployment
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The lengthy spells many Americans are spending without work risk leaving a lasting scar of higher unemployment on the U.S. economy and training programs are needed to avert the damage, the OECD said on Tuesday.
The warning from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development comes against the backdrop of stalled U.S. jobs growth and an uptick in the unemployment rate in May.
In a report on the U.S. economy, the Paris-based OECD estimated the unemployment rate which the economy could sustain without generating inflation at 6.1 percent, up from 5.7 percent in 2007. In May, the rate stood at 8.2 percent.
“However, structural unemployment may well already have risen more than this estimate would suggest, and there is a risk that it could increase still further, given the still high levels of long-term unemployment,” the OECD said.
Before the 2007-2009 recession, many economists believed the so-called natural or structural rate of unemployment was around 5 percent.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
3:57 pm
ebay
CEO compensation: $12.4 million
U.S. federal income taxes: $131 million refund
Tax avoidance has always been a key motivator behind the development of e-commerce. So it’s hardly
a surprise that eBay, the world’s largest online marketplace, also turns out to be a major tax dodger.
Last year the firm received a $131 million tax refund, despite U.S. pre-tax profits of $848 million.
It looks like taxes, or the lack thereof, are quite the motivating factor in some CEO’s compensation.
PJ
June 26th, 2012
3:57 pm
I wish I could get away with only paying sales tax. Must be nice.
Paul
June 26th, 2012
3:58 pm
John Birch
“If I remember correctly USINUK never did answer my question wondering why all the Brits that could afford it purchased supplemental insurance if the basic national plan was so good.”
The system was designed to do the most good for the most people, just like some private insurance here is designed. So people can either pay the money and purchase a replacement policy here, or those here and in the UK can purchase a supplemental policy.
Ben Shockley
June 26th, 2012
3:58 pm
Stands thinks social security is a good return on an investment of 12.4% of your annual salary, for life.
ANd he can’t figure out why people point and laugh while he’s riding his scooter to work at Trader Joe’s…
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
3:58 pm
“1) Were they challenged in the courts at that time?”
Not if that was before the SCOTUS accorded itself the right to judicial review in 1803.
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
3:58 pm
dB
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
3:58 pm
You know what democrats and liberals are terrified of?
Romney could turn out to be such a great president and do such a good job for the economy that they would be relegated to the back bench for 12 or more years
And that scares them, so they fear monger saying Romney is bush 2.0 when that is an outright lie
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
3:59 pm
B. Shockley — “Funny how it never concerns you”
Wrong.
“or triggers a response”
You’d be surprised what I think, but don’t always have the time to say here.
“when the usual lib suspects make the same assertions and assumptions.”
I took one to task earlier this morning, but since you didn’t see it, I’m sure you won’t believe that it happened.
“Which makes you a blind partisan…which is especially ironic, given today’s topic………..”
Given that I spent more than the first 20 years of my voting life supporting the GOP, and about a dozen years *volunteering* for them, that makes you wrong once more, Champ.
You don’t know anything about me or what I think, and your guesses are almost always wrong, Shockley. If you were more of an adult, and more given to adult discussion than to adolescent e-peen measuring, you might have found that out by now.
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 26th, 2012
4:00 pm
“I wish I could get away with only paying sales tax. Must be nice”
It’s the standard mantra around here to prove everyone is contributing their fair share.
PJ
June 26th, 2012
4:01 pm
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people @3:58 pm
I’ve know Mr. Bush and Mr. Romney you’re no Bush.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
4:01 pm
B. Shockley — “Hussein, I really get under your skin, don’t I?”
No, sonny. You just remind me of myself at your age.
“Let’s me know I’m scoring points…thanks…”
Punkin, your supposed ’score’ isn’t even on my radar.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
4:02 pm
“Be honest, please. He provided proof of *one.* And one is not “a few.”
I was expressing an opinion (again, based on human nature and assuming most people would not admit as much), not trying to prove that opinion was true. But I may decide to oblige you on that count. If one has publicly admitted it, perhaps a few others have as well.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
4:02 pm
Yawn. You can post those guaranteed annuities (with COLAs, survivor bennies, etc.) that beat the SS deal any old time you like.
PJ
June 26th, 2012
4:02 pm
Steve – USA (”None of the Above”) @4:00 pm
Who is everyone?
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
4:02 pm
Ben, Ben! BEN!!!!
I posted facts about these companies. I cannot help it if you cannot handle the facts.
In fact, corporations contribute about 9 percent of all federal revenues now as opposed to 35 percent after WWII. Yet the conned think they still pay too much in taxes.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
4:02 pm
SfD — “And above all, do not ask about guaranteed annuities that beat the deal you get with Social Security.”
Yeah, that discussion *was* pretty funny.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 26th, 2012
4:03 pm
PJ: “I wish I could get away with only paying sales tax. Must be nice.”
I agree. Being a freeloading mega-corporation benefiting from corporate welfare and real tax rates approaching zero, like GE, I’m sure it’s quite nice indeed.
DBCOOPER
June 26th, 2012
4:04 pm
Lets keep it real Jay. Okay
When you peek under the Robe of Dem appointee’s, what do you see?
Paul
June 26th, 2012
4:05 pm
John Birch
Another big difference between the UK and US health care systems is, in the UK, nearly everyone pays a significant portion of their income for health insurance.
Over here, people may get it for free. Or at rates subsidized by their companies. Or they may have a little business, get themselves health insurance and write it off as an expense and have the government reduce their taxes.
Then a significant number can’t get it or choose not to. Republicans recognize this as their God-given right, defend their right to avoid personal responsibility and even step up to pay their medical bills for them!
Yep, there are some big differences between their socialized system and ours.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
4:05 pm
Taxpayer
Obama president. Union membership declining. Obviously Obama is anti-union. Whatever dude.
You’re random stats are irrelevant and like the jerks of a 6 month old. Uncontrolled and of no purpose or intelligence.
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 26th, 2012
4:05 pm
“ebay
CEO compensation: $12.4 million
U.S. federal income taxes: $131 million refund
Tax avoidance has always been a key motivator behind the development of e-commerce. So it’s hardly
a surprise that eBay, the world’s largest online marketplace, also turns out to be a major tax dodger.
Last year the firm received a $131 million tax refund, despite U.S. pre-tax profits of $848 million.”
Only paid $12.4 million on profits of $848 million + a tax refund of $131 million? That CEO needs a raise.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
4:06 pm
“Thanks for attempting to answer. What did I want you to say? To respond to the question.”
I think I did.
“From you answer I gather you are not in favor of the Supreme Court decision or denial of reconsideration.”
I am an “originalist” of a sort, so I don’t like any ruling that makes speech anything other than speech.
“But what I asked was for those on the Right who supported the Court decision to state why. So far, none know why they like it, nor are they able to cogently express themselves.”
Let me likewise ask you a question: is pornography in your view a legitimate form of protected speech. If so, please cogently express why you think so and why it is different from the ruling you object to.
Which is not at all surprising
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
4:06 pm
Towncrier — “I was expressing an opinion (again, based on human nature and assuming most people would not admit as much), not trying to prove that opinion was true. But I may decide to oblige you on that count. If one has publicly admitted it, perhaps a few others have as well.”
That’s certainly possible, but IMO it’s rather disingenuous, given that no one *here* has expressed that view. That’s why I asked for posters here who had done so.
If no one here supports that view, then why would someone who is *presumably* debating in good faith bring it up in the first place? If no one here supports that view, then who here would *defend* that view? IMO, 0311 wasn’t looking for honest discussion, but was instead trying to hamhandedly play Gotcha with other posters.
skipper
June 26th, 2012
4:07 pm
Why is the court “partisan” when liberals do not get their way, and progressive when they do?????????
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 26th, 2012
4:07 pm
“Who is everyone?”
The freeloaders not paying any Federal Income Tax.
bman
June 26th, 2012
4:07 pm
If corporations aren’t people, why should any have to pay taxes?
Adam
June 26th, 2012
4:07 pm
Towncrier: Sorry, Adam, but that video (all 13 seconds of it) proves no such thing. Would you mind providing the full context for that man’s statement for us here (or is that disagreeable to you)?
I would if I had it to show. Of course, I don’t see how any context added could take away from how he believes that voter ID laws will help Romney win.
And if you want anyway to claim that Republican politicians are deliberately trying (colluding) to disenfranchise voters, then you will likewise have to concede the possibility that Democratic politicians are trying (colluding) to enfranchise voters who should not vote – unless you want to make the absurd claim that Democratic politicians are morally better than their Republican counterparts (which I will be happy to falsify with a great number of documented instances to the contrary).
uh, no. See the problem here is an assumption that there is a necessarily existing equivalence of some kind. The Republicans, in control of a few states, have pushed these laws. The Democrats are on the side of pointing out the flaws, not opposing it for reasons of allowing people to vote who shouldn’t.
That kind of an argument (that Democrats are somehow wanting people to vote who shouldn’t) is only presented as a way to deflect from the nefariousness of the Republican intent by asserting a nefarious Democratic intent, though there is no evidence that any exists on the Democrat side. There was plenty of “coincidental” evidence that if you put it all together, either all the Republicans pushing the laws in all these states are mind-numbingly stupid to the consequences of doing so, EVEN AFTER having those flaws pointed out, OR they’re doing it on purpose with different goals than they are stating in mind, quite possibly the goal of making it easier for Republicans to win elections.
In short, my assertion that the Republicans have a goal of making it easier for Republicans to win come from the very obvious consequences of implementing these laws quickly, excluding certain types of ID and including others, and not giving people a fair shot at getting the IDs necessary before implementation, etc. There is no evidence of dead people voting, of undocumented people voting or any of the other supposed reasons for having these voter IDs RIGHT NOW.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
4:07 pm
Romney is bush 2.0.
Absolutely.
He wants to make the Bush tax cuts permanent.
Like George of the Bungle, Flip has proposed making Medicare into a “premium support” system in which seniors get a voucher and then choose either traditional Medicare or a private-insurance plan.
In essence the Inveterate liar from Massachusetts wants bigger tax cuts for the 1%, budget cuts in education and other essential programs, and deregulation to give banks and insurance companies even more power to do as they please.
Screw that. And him…
Welcome to the Occupation
June 26th, 2012
4:09 pm
Nobody, I mean nobody, freeloads like a mega-corporation. They’re big sponging people ya know …
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
4:09 pm
Jm,
Practice your one-handed typing skills at someone else’s expense. Your lame efforts do not get a rise from me.
John Birch
June 26th, 2012
4:09 pm
Paul – I’ll take that as valid criticism and skip the hyperbole going forward. Guess I should quit the ‘leeches’ descriptions too. I just strongly believe that those who don’t work shouldn’t eat unless they can’t work. I’m not opposed to more taxes on those who can afford to pay, because they benefit disproportionately from what those taxes provide; educated employees, infrastructure, etc. But I also think taxing corporations is counter productive, it makes Amercian goods less competitive and encourages offshoring and outsourcing. And we could also use some needs testing for our entitlements, lots of scamming going on. This country became the strongest nation on earth because we outproduced and outworked the rest of the world.
Send the immigrants back home, make the unemployed mow the lawns and pick the grapes three days a week to earn their unemployment checks and look for better work the other two days. Instead of billions going to other countries it would stay here and unemployment would drop significantly, win-win.
If those beliefs make me evil or stupid, I’m guilty as charged.
Whahema
June 26th, 2012
4:09 pm
More partisan polemic nonsense from Joy who is acting on his orders to emphasize partisanship in the court. Bookman is an embarassment to his professiion and to Atlanta. The first sentence of his talking points is so loaded with false and manifestly silly thoughts that it’s hard to read the rest of his slavish obedience to his progressive masters.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
4:10 pm
“The voter ID laws were well thought out. They were designed to accomplish the goal of requiring ID of specific forms, and pushing voters out of the process who would not have these things or have easy enough access to them. The whole purpose, from the beginning, was to give Republicans an advantage. ”
That is quite a charge, Adam. If such widespread collusion is truly at the heart of voter ID laws, the responsible politicians must be pretty bad. If your charge is not true, then what does that make you? Also, please explain why if it is true, why Democratic politicians are not likewise capable of colluding to accomplish nefarious ends.
Paul
June 26th, 2012
4:10 pm
JamVet
“The Tea Party in Las Cruces, NM met with Representative Steve Pearce’s office urging him to support a constitutional amendment to overturn the disgraceful Citizen’s United ruling.”
They gotta be the sane 1% of the detached from reality 1%.
Good news.
Ben Shockley
“Hussein, I really get under your skin, don’t I? Let’s me know I’m scoring points…thanks”
Ticks get under one’s skin,but the only points they score are for being irritating.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
4:12 pm
Adam — “In short, my assertion that the Republicans have a goal of making it easier for Republicans to win come from the very obvious consequences of implementing these laws quickly, excluding certain types of ID and including others, and not giving people a fair shot at getting the IDs necessary before implementation, etc. There is no evidence of dead people voting, of undocumented people voting or any of the other supposed reasons for having these voter IDs RIGHT NOW.”
If scrubbing the voter rolls was so important to Republicans, why didn’t they start pushing for it right after the 2008 election? Why are they waiting until after the 2012 primaries are over to get started with it?
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
4:12 pm
Romney is bush 2.0.
Absolutely.
Nope… Not even remotely. Whether you liked Bush or not, he had backbone. If he made a decision, he stuck with it until the end. Romney can’t even come close to mirroring that. He changes his positions more than porno actors and actresses filming a gang bang.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
4:14 pm
By the way, is there a con on the blog that can share with us the impact of the Romney/Ryan budget proposal on the national debt by year. (Hint, it’s positive but in a bad way.) Perhaps Jm can show he actually has something of value to contribute. Okay, I made a funny.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
4:14 pm
“The difference is that nudity, flag-burning, arm band wearing, and other forms of “symbolic” speech convey a message in and of themselves, that is they speak to us about a specific topic on some level.”
Sorry, once you get away from speech being literally speech (as I am fairly sure was meant by our founding fathers), you open the door for almost anything being speech (like expressing your views by the way you donate money).
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
4:14 pm
This country became the strongest nation on earth because we outproduced and outworked the rest of the world.
It’s kind of hard to do that nowadays when production has been moved abroad. We might have became strong by doing that, but we’re not going to remain strong by simply trying to consume ourselves to prosperity.
bman
June 26th, 2012
4:14 pm
Bro .. .. lol
PJ
June 26th, 2012
4:15 pm
Steve – USA (”None of the Above”) @4:07 pm
Oh, corporations. Thanks for clearing that up.
John Birch
June 26th, 2012
4:16 pm
JV – Did you see the Zimmerman news? I think your conviction prior to his trial might be a bit premature. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/06/george-zimmerman-passed-first-lie-detector-test-after-shooting/1
John Ellison
June 26th, 2012
4:16 pm
Jay, do you think the Supreme Court should limit the AJC’s political speech?
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
4:16 pm
bman
I probably didn’t need to put that out there like that, but that’s just the way I see it.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
4:16 pm
“I’d disagree with Obama more often if the Republicans offered me a sane alternative.”
Care to provide us with one or more people who would, in your view, be a “sane alternative”, Jay?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
4:17 pm
Bro
Don’t watch porn at work –
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
4:19 pm
Romney is doing what is necessary to win
Call him flip all u want
Obama does the same
Lessee, when a con doesn’t change his mind he’s a stubborn fool
When he does, he’s flip
Got it
Jefferson
June 26th, 2012
4:19 pm
Corporations put strains on infastructure, they have to be audited to make sure they are not stealing, lying, and cheating so to speak, many reasons for them to be taxed. They are just throwing out legal bribes is all they are doing under the guise of “speech”.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
4:21 pm
Nobody, I mean nobody, freeloads like a mega-corporation.
The results of forty years of relentless perverted, mainly Republican, polices. Beginning with the disgusting Powell Memorandum.
The Corporate Kings of Welfare.
He changes his positions more than porno actors and actresses filming a gang bang.
Hysterical.
The man has become a near total buffoon in order to suckup to the lunatic fringe that runs the GOP.
Sad to watch, really…
bman
June 26th, 2012
4:21 pm
Bro…haha. It was good just as you said it! I liked it and…I am for Romney.
But really…Romney is no different than any other politician. He’s going to say whatever he and his advisors believe is most effective to get as many votes as possible.
Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
4:22 pm
bman @ 4:07
If corporations aren’t people why should they have to pay taxes?
You are kidding me, right? You think that only living human beings should be subject to taxation? Please explain yourself.
Corporations and other business forms are given legal status, i.e. recognition as a legal entity only at our pleasure. They are legal fictions that exist because we choose to recognize them.
That recognition brings with it tremendous benefits. Most business forms offer limited liability protections to investors and owners. Businesses benefit from access to an educated labor force (obviously this varies by state, city, etc.), access to public roads and other infrastructure. They benefit from being able to conduct business in our market economy. They benefit from protection under our laws to enforce contracts with suppliers, customers, etc., protect their intellectual property rights, etc.
All of these benefits are given to these legal entitie because of the laws made by the various states and, as applicable, the federal government. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires it be so. As a result, society can subject businesses to regulation, taxation, etc.
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
4:22 pm
jm
That’s a different agency.
Paul
June 26th, 2012
4:22 pm
John Birch
“. I just strongly believe that those who don’t work shouldn’t eat unless they can’t work.”
I think that was one of the ideas behind Clinton’s welfare reform. There will always be those who abuse or game the system. Welfare benefit cheating is no different, say, than those who exploit Medicare or Medicaid for gain, except it’s a lot cheaper.
BTW, were you aware one of the reasons some low-income working families don’t pay taxes and get additional funds is because of a tax program called “making work pay?” It rewards people for working, even at lousy pay, and encourages them to keep working.
Think it might discourage some of them if that were cut?
The trouble I have with means testing for, say, SS or Medicare is pretty much what you described with welfare. It penalized those who lived below their means and saved for their retirement. It would reward those who spent every dime they earned.
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
4:24 pm
Romney is no different than any other politician. He’s going to say whatever he and his advisors believe is most effective to get as many votes as possible.
So very true regardless of the party. That’s one of the things I least like about our political system. We don’t even make a ruse of expecting honesty anymore. Then, we have the gall to wonder why things are so corrupt and effed up…
Jay
June 26th, 2012
4:24 pm
Crier, a Mitch Daniels or Chris Christie or Jeb Bush — if freed from the ideological straitjackets demanded by their party — would probably be a viable alternative. But that condition is unlikely to be met, which is probably why Mitch Daniels has chosen to leave politics to become president of Purdue and why Bush refused to throw his hat into the ring. Bush all but acknowledged that fact in recent comments.
Even a Mitt Romney, freed from the ideological straitjackets demanded y his party, might have been acceptable. But Romney doesn’t want to be freed; he likes the servitude and obeisance he must pay as long as it gets him what he wants.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
4:24 pm
J. Ellison — “Jay, do you think the Supreme Court should limit the AJC’s political speech?”
Historically, there are *very few* restrictions on newspaper-based political speech, and in fact SCOTUS has struck down restrictions on such speech in the past.
This case is a good example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Herald_Publishing_Co._v._Tornillo
Jefferson
June 26th, 2012
4:24 pm
SS is an obligation for the gov’t, they took the money.
John Birch
June 26th, 2012
4:25 pm
Bro – Amen to that. But outsourcing is for cheaper labor, offshoring is for lower corporate taxes. That’s why I say eliminate corporate taxes, they just pass them on to the consumers and cause job loss. Tax the corporate earnings at a healthy rate when they pass them on to people, either stockholders or executive bonuses. Want to give Jamie $150M bonus for losing $2B in bad investments but giving a great presentation to congress? Just tax about 40% of it to feed the needy that BOA made unemployed and homeless!
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
4:25 pm
“Corporations put strains on infastructure, they have to be audited to make sure they are not stealing, lying, and cheating so to speak, many reasons for them to be taxed. They are just throwing out legal bribes is all they are doing under the guise of “speech”.”
So do people. We should probably ban them from making political contributions too. Politicians will then just go door to door across America to run for office.
It should take them about 2,850 years to then reach 150 million households
Brilliant
Jay
June 26th, 2012
4:27 pm
“Jay, do you think the Supreme Court should limit the AJC’s political speech?”
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press….”
Jefferson
June 26th, 2012
4:27 pm
So what’s wrong with banning political contributions, it don’t befront me.
bman
June 26th, 2012
4:29 pm
Dekalb … .. I never said that I “think” that corporations should not be taxed. I simply asked a question which, by the way, no one really jumped on.
I think corporations (especially the GE’s) should be taxed. When the best of the best are not taxed, I believe it destroys competition. Like people, I don’t believe they should be taxed more. But, they should be taxed fairly, or the same %.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
4:30 pm
Jefferson — “So what’s wrong with banning political contributions, it don’t befront me.”
NICE meta-comment!
Paulo977
June 26th, 2012
4:31 pm
Steve
will take Americans awhile to figure this out, and hopefully we’ll reverse the course and damage, but it will take time. Americans, in general, are pretty clueless
______________________________
We are just lazy and seem to be driven by the notion that we are ‘well off’ ( even though we are not and keep voting against our own self interests) and need to preserve what we have from those who want to ‘take ‘ from us !!!
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
4:33 pm
“Crier, a Mitch Daniels or Chris Christie or Jeb Bush — if freed from the ideological straitjackets demanded by their party — would probably be a viable alternative…”
Wow, Jay. I would not have imagined you saying that. Thanks for your candor. I agree with you that none of the candidates that ran this year have really impressed me. When GWB was first nominated, having lived in Florida, I wondered why him and not Jeb (a A student and married to a Hispanic)? So I have always liked him – a reasonable, pragmatic conservative. And Christie is impressive. He would have been tough to beat, I think. Daniels I like as well. And Jindal.
But I am still going to vote for Romney for a few reasons (which I have already articulated here).
Welcome to the Occupation
June 26th, 2012
4:34 pm
But Romney doesn’t want to be freed; he likes the servitude and obeisance he must pay as long as it gets him what he wants.
He has a resume that’s just dying to get puffed up with the biggest resume-puffing line item known to man. And a father’s unfulfilled aspirations to chase after.
Beware of people who are trying to settle Oedipal accounts through the presidential aspirations, and grand ambitions as president once elected. And that, by the way, goes for Mr. Dreams From My Father, just like the rest of them.
Rightwing Troll
June 26th, 2012
4:35 pm
“Let me likewise ask you a question: is pornography in your view a legitimate form of protected speech. If so, please cogently express why you think so and why it is different from the ruling you object to.”
Porn is entertainment, much like watching Faux news… you’re free to indulge yourself in either of those activities, and other than having to mindless blatherings, it has no effect on the rest of us. Political donations help to form a government that affects us ALL.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
4:35 pm
Jm
As much corporate behind as you seem to kiss, it is evident you knew they were “people” before Romney ever said it
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
4:35 pm
If elected, Romney has promised to treat the federal government just like the businesses he bought up at Bain. He will load US up with debt and take a fee for providing US with new found capital and then charge an annual consulting fee for his continued service until we declare bankruptcy at which time he will break US up and sell US off for pennies on the dollar, for another fee.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
4:36 pm
Bro
Jay “But Romney doesn’t want to be freed; he likes the servitude and obeisance he must pay as long as it gets him what he wants.”
Um, do you realize how stupid that sounds? Wow, is about all I can say. So jay subscribes to the plantation con philosophy? I thought only cons were stupid enough to bark about the “plantation” mindset….
Rightwing Troll
June 26th, 2012
4:36 pm
Sorry this:
“and other than having to mindless blatherings,”
should read:
“and other than having to endure mindless blatherings,”
godless heathen
June 26th, 2012
4:37 pm
Headline: Man Says TSA Spilled Grandpa’s Ashes
Don’t you hate it when that happens.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
4:38 pm
Btw
The straight jackets Christie et al despise the most are primarily liberal ones
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
4:38 pm
Another eery Flip & George comparison.
Both are about one tenth the men that their fathers were…
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
4:39 pm
“Porn is entertainment, much like watching Faux news… you’re free to indulge yourself in either of those activities, and other than having to mindless blatherings, it has no effect on the rest of us. Political donations help to form a government that affects us ALL.”
You should probably think through you claim that pornography has no effect on the rest of us, as it doesn’t hold water.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
4:39 pm
Bro
Off topic: Kenseth leaving Roush
Guess his price was too high, especially when they have a young buck they can bring up at a lower salary
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
4:41 pm
Jm
Portman, Ryan or whom?
I doubt Rubio.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
4:41 pm
The straight jackets Christie et al despise the most are primarily liberal ones.
Per the esteemed intellectual Frank S, “Your argument would be stronger, if you were more specific.”
Rightwing Troll
June 26th, 2012
4:41 pm
how does porn negatively affect you?
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
4:42 pm
Yes!
Lets bring back the demented Ronnie and Eddie Meese Show!
What we need in this country is another good old fashioned War on Pornography!
PJ
June 26th, 2012
4:42 pm
“Dan Quayle joined Cerberus Capital Management, a multi-billion dollar private equity firm, in 1999 and is chairman of the company’s Global Investments division.”
I guess only the best and the brightest do get these corporate jobs. I wonder what his bonues look like.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 26th, 2012
4:43 pm
Why is Mitch Daniels or Chris Christie or Jeb Bush one iota better than anyone else in this vicious, worker-attacking, ALEC-loving, corporatist Republican party?
Is stabbing the people in the back any less extreme when those who do it deliver it in a nice mild-mannered brogue?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
4:44 pm
Tbs 4:35
yeah yeah
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 26th, 2012
4:44 pm
“Headline: Man Says TSA Spilled Grandpa’s Ashes”
Orlando has been giving preliminary approval to convert to private screeners so you can expect some more professional workers at that airport in the future.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
4:45 pm
Jm
After a few of your responses, it was way too easy not to pass up
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
4:45 pm
I wonder if Barack Obama could have been a better president had he been able to free himself from the straightjackets of his party. Ummm, probably not as he’s among the far-left inventors of his party’s straightjackets. Now Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid should both be in straightjackets literally speaking.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
4:46 pm
Creepin’ geebus, look at the giant douchey Tea Party post on the previous thread.
That guy must not understand that the thread’s over.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
4:47 pm
Tbs I doubt Rubio too
I’d guess portman or pawlenty, but it’s only an educated guess
Veepstakes are tough, could be someone no one is thinking of
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
4:47 pm
Sound the calliope, Recon’s back!
(circus music)
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
4:51 pm
Steve – USA,
What we need is a return to the halcyon days of Argenbiright Security.
I’m sure you remember them.
They were the highly disgraced Atlanta based security company that had criminals in their employ, who allowed many unguarded and unlocked access points/doors around the airport and who allowed people to board aircraft with weapons.
All before, during and AFTER September 11, 2001.
And just so you Uncle Sam haters are crystal clear about them, they were the inept clowns who were working the gates at the airports in Washington DC, NYC and Boston on that fateful day.
Yet more proof that the “free market” always does everything better than the government…
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
4:52 pm
Why thank you Joe…I thought that you may have been impatiently awaiting my return.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
4:53 pm
Recon — “Why thank you Joe…I thought that you may have been impatiently awaiting my return.”
I’m leaving shortly, but I *was* getting kind of bored.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
4:53 pm
congress is going to move back the deadline on cuts.
One less thing to worry about.
Rightwing Troll
June 26th, 2012
4:53 pm
I’m still waiting on an explanation on how porn adversely affects us all.. It’s a legitimate business that generates billions yearly, it’s not mandatory that anyone watch or participate, what’s the downside?
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
4:53 pm
No matter who Flip Millionaire picks for his would-be VP, I truly doubt he can match the sheer embarrassment of McCain’s choice.
But I wouldn’t rule it out either…
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 26th, 2012
4:54 pm
JamVet-
According to some people on here 9/11 was staged by the Government.
Hey…you were right though, OWS turned into a massive movement just like you said. More like a bowel movement. LOL
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
4:54 pm
Jm
I think Portman is pretty good political strategy. Swing state that he would certainly help and experience.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
4:55 pm
Steve, why are you so terrified of American’s protesting, as allowed for in the United States Constitution?
Because they have a ballsack?
LOL.
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
4:56 pm
Joe, it does appear to be somewhat of a boring thread. We have discovered, however, Jay’s secret fetish of peeking up the robes of court justices.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
4:56 pm
Jay, the AJC needs some more copy editors. I’m seeing a banner ad at the top of the page for a “New Nissan 2012 Altima 2.5 S Sprots Sedan.”
getalife
June 26th, 2012
4:56 pm
willard was the king of shipping American jobs to China and India.
That is how he will govern silly.
Are you going to vote to lose your job?
John Birch
June 26th, 2012
4:57 pm
I’m still confused. If corporations aren’t people, how can they be evil, lying, cheating, stealing no income tax paying scumbags? Take Enron, please. We wanted Enron to go to jail because the stockholders went broke but we had to settle for Fastow, and Lay, and Skilling. Arthur Andersen collapsed but he didn’t mind because he died in the 40’s. Their employees all lost their jobs because some of their employees were co-conspirators for a fee. Basically, Skilling and the accountants and the rest were just like the welfare lady in NJ who illegally draws checks from NY and NJ, just on a bigger scale. But Enron and Andersen were just legal entities, just places of employment, incapable of evil.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
4:57 pm
Recon — “Joe, it does appear to be somewhat of a boring thread. We have discovered, however, Jay’s secret fetish of peeking up the robes of court justices.”
Colonoscopies for all!
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 26th, 2012
4:58 pm
Jamvet-
Who is terrified….I found them amusing in a pathetic sort of way. LOL
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
4:58 pm
Tbs I don’t know that he could get much mileage from portman in home state votes
More about competent solid pick. It wouldn’t make the base happy tho
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
4:59 pm
J. Birch — “I’m still confused. If corporations aren’t people, how can they be evil, lying, cheating, stealing no income tax paying scumbags?”
Because they’re *run* by evil, lying, cheating, stealing income tax dodging scumbags?
Jefferson
June 26th, 2012
5:00 pm
Union Carbide/ India — Corporate heros ? BP and the oily Gulf ?
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 26th, 2012
5:00 pm
“I’m still confused. If corporations aren’t people, how can they be evil, lying, cheating, stealing no income tax paying scumbags?”
Bingo!
Mighty Righty
June 26th, 2012
5:00 pm
An interesting conclusion from an employee of a major news “corporation” whose purpose is specificly mentioned in the constitution with defined exemptions and freedom from application of our laws not afforded other businesses. A newspaper is free to slander and libel by ommission. They deliberately distort facts to forward their political agenda. Our founders knew the benefits of having a free and honest press to keep an objective eye on government. Instead the watch dogs hide the very things they are to reveal while donating huge sums of money to the very poltical entities they were were uniquely given freedom by our founders to keep honest. But that was another time when people were far more trustworthy than they are today. Today, corporations must have the legal means to enable them to fight back against a empirical government and its print and electronic media. Without an opposing view made available by corporations the only news we would have would be the slanted by the left wing Democrat controlled media who is nothing more than an advocate of their socialist marxist policies. Please note, when left wingers complain about corporate money in campaigns they never mention the billions that are always spent by unions.
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
5:00 pm
Colonoscopies for all!
LOL…can’t stop laughing. That was a good one.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
5:00 pm
Jm @ 4:58
I think he would be a solid pick, but you are probably right. Pick probably will be someone who is or is considered more to the right
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
5:01 pm
but we had to settle for Fastow, and Lay, and Skilling.
We?
You would have held a parade in their honor!
You corporatists pretending to be conservatives love white collar crime.
You’re just miffed that you can’t get in on some of that action!
Nope, Stevie,
Making up wholesale malicious lies about tens of thousands of people indicates something much bigger than amusement.
BTW, did you work for Argenbright? You sure seem to have glossed right over that one!
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 26th, 2012
5:02 pm
Nope Jamie…don’t work for Argenbright.
Perhaps you should actually get a job. LOL
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
5:03 pm
John Birch @ 4:25
I could go for something like that, at least as long as no politician tries to muddle it or weaken it to aid their corporate donors. The only thing I’d add is that if corporate taxes are eliminated, so goes corporate personhood. I wouldn’t give a smidget of any type of “rights” to corporations without them paying towards the upkeep and maintenance of the country.
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
5:04 pm
I discounted Rubio as a viable Veep pick as he appears too young but listening to him speak lately I’m not convinced that he wouldn’t be a good pick.
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
5:05 pm
Off topic: Kenseth leaving Roush
Joe Gibbs has been talking about adding a 4th car…..
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
5:05 pm
Tbs – I think u alluded to which candidate you were behind yesterday, but wasn’t clear to me
Obama or Romney?
Mighty Righty
June 26th, 2012
5:06 pm
Because they’re *run* by evil, lying, cheating, stealing income tax dodging scumbags?
Names like Rangel, Geitner, Daschel, Buffett, come to mind.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
5:06 pm
Recon
Rubio will be a force for Repubs in the years to come, however I doubt Romney is going to pick him imo. There will be plenty of opportunity down the road
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
5:06 pm
Stevie,
OK, I’m done toying with you.
I just like watching you 1% asskissers scurry for the corporal’s rabbit holes.
Occupy those!
josef
June 26th, 2012
5:07 pm
RIGHTIE
“A newspaper is free to slander and libel by ommission. They deliberately distort facts to forward their political agenda. Our founders knew the benefits of having a free and honest press to keep an objective eye on government. ”
************
Have you ever read some of those newspapers the founding fathers set out to protect? By those standards, Fox and MSNBC, the AJC and the NYT come off like one of my Granny’s teas…just to keep it in perspective…
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
5:07 pm
Recon — “LOL…can’t stop laughing. That was a good one.”
I have some gut issues, so I’ve been under a gastroenterologist’s care for the last few years. During one visit, I just couldn’t remember the word “endoscope,” so after flailing around and trying to remember the word for about a minute, I used the word “butt-o-scope” instead.
My wife goes “Admit it, doctor, that’s what you called it in med school”
The doctor got an embarrassed expression on his face and said “yeah, that’s *exactly* what we called it.”
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
5:08 pm
Righty, what?
No Donald CombOver in your list?
Are you a big Reality TV guy?
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
5:08 pm
Jm
I am going Obama. Can’t vote for Hillary again, he will need more vote more this time than the last.
Not getting too many “warm and fuzzies” with the prospect of a Repub controlled Congress and a Romney……
getalife
June 26th, 2012
5:08 pm
The legacy of the con movement will be horrible in the history books.
The dark side of American politics.
Evil doers, if you will.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
5:09 pm
Righty — “Names like Rangel, Geitner, Daschel, Buffett, come to mind.”
You’ve never seen me defend any of those people.
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 26th, 2012
5:10 pm
Jamvet,
I actually feel sorry you are so bitter on how your life turned out. Actually I really don’t care. LOL
Paul
June 26th, 2012
5:10 pm
Rightwing Troll
“I’m still waiting on an explanation on how porn adversely affects us all.. It’s a legitimate business that generates billions yearly, it’s not mandatory that anyone watch or participate, what’s the downside?”
It really isn’t up to us to either condemn or justify your addictions or choices -
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
5:11 pm
josef @ 5:07
Exactly. Much of the newspaper editorials are tame compared to the way the ripped each other “back in the Colonial day…… ”
Some of the cartoons make Luckovich look like a amateur
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
5:11 pm
TBS — “Rubio will be a force for Repubs in the years to come, however I doubt Romney is going to pick him imo. There will be plenty of opportunity down the road”
Agree. Rubio needs some seasoning and experience. He’s got a lot of potential and could be a very strong Presidential or VP candidate at some point in the future. Frankly, I’d give Rubio better odds (again, given more experience) than Jindal.
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
5:13 pm
TBS,
Romney may pass on Rubio but he has fire in his belly and articulates well. That fire could be a compliment to Romney and help some with the Latino vote.
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 26th, 2012
5:14 pm
“Agree. Rubio needs some seasoning and experience. He’s got a lot of potential and could be a very strong Presidential or VP candidate at some point in the future. Frankly, I’d give Rubio better odds (again, given more experience) than Jindal.”
Rubio just doesn’t give an impression of being tested by experience. He seems like a guy who works for Geek Squad.
Paul
June 26th, 2012
5:14 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
Guy goes into his doc for an exam. Doc says “your age, I’m scheduling you for a colonoscopy.” Guy says “No way! I’ve heard about those – forget it!” Doc says “Just relax, with the meds and the new equipment you won’t even know what’s going on. Come here – the nurse just prepped the room and I’ll show you the equipment.”
They go in the room and there, on the exam table, is a six-pack. Guy says ‘All right! I can go for that.” Doc says “oh for Pete’s sake…” opens the door and yells “Nurse! I said I wanted a butt light!”
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
5:14 pm
Stevie, I get it you are an unpaid armchair psychologist.
You probably think that Dennis Miller is actually funny and are living proof that the following adage is correct.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Your turn…
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 26th, 2012
5:14 pm
Is it just me, or does Jindal look like the MAD guy, “what me worry?”
Paul
June 26th, 2012
5:15 pm
Joe
Guy goes to his doc for an exam.
Some people will go off the rails with what I’d written -
pogo
June 26th, 2012
5:15 pm
Cry me a river Jay. You didn’t have problems with corporate donations to Obama in 2008 and you don’t have a problem with the big unions throwing their members money away supporting Obama now. But but now that the corporations are abandoning this narcissistic moron, you wail against corporate contributions. Cheer up Jay, I bet Immelt is still funneling cash to Obama through the PACS. Or maybe not, I hear even Immelt is sick of Obama. You always have Soros don’t you? The bottom line is that the Obama administration is rotting from within starting at the top. Behind the scenes even the big democratic players are looking past this arrogant moron. The dream of a black man becoming president and solving all of our problems is over. In fact, he hasn’t solved anything and has actually made things worse. Is Romney the perfect candidate? No. But a change is needed and a change will come in November. Romney may not be but a one term president and then we will move to the next stage but one thing is apparent to more and more people; Obama must go. Not because he is black, but because he incompetent.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
5:16 pm
Recon
I could be wrong and Rubio does get picked. I just think the GOP is waiting until he has a few more years of experience.
Jm
Haven’t hear much about Jindal lately. He will also be around for the GOP for many years.
josef
June 26th, 2012
5:17 pm
BOTH
Editorials, hell, look like you’re candidate’s pulling ahead? Just print a news story that he’s dead.
If you go back over the history of American Journalism, the only time we have had even a modicum/pretense of distanced and objective reporting was the mid 20th Century.
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 26th, 2012
5:17 pm
JamVet-
Thank you for the advice. I wont argue with you.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
5:18 pm
The gop refused to hold hearings on peeing in a cup and handing it to government.
All the gop will vote for it and call it freedom.
josef
June 26th, 2012
5:19 pm
GMARE
He does, but Obama is a dead ringer for him..
.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
5:19 pm
Tbs 5:08 got it thx
For me it came down to: we have a lot of things that need fixing and I don’t see Obama fixing them
I will count on democrats in the senate to help defend the poor, but the democrats aren’t generally getting it done
And I think Romney is competent and willing to shake things up. He’s straight down the middle and will take on corporate welfare too.
Paul
June 26th, 2012
5:19 pm
pogo
“. You didn’t have problems with corporate donations to Obama in 2008 ”
Are there any differences with corporate donations now, compared to 2008?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
5:19 pm
Recon — “Romney may pass on Rubio but he has fire in his belly and articulates well. That fire could be a compliment to Romney and help some with the Latino vote.”
There are several reasons why Rubio’s appeal to Hispanics will be limited, but I’ll briefly outline one of them.
Rubio is a Cuban-American, and C-As get treated *completely* differently from all other Hispanics when it comes to immigration. Under the “Wet Feet, Dry Feet” policy, if a Cuban refugee can get his feet on dry land — even if the cops or the Coast Guard are in hot pursuit — said Cuban refugee gets asylum and is allowed to stay.
As you can imagine, this does not sit well with Hispanics from other parts of the Americas and the Caribbean. I have a Cubano friend, and he acknowledges the tension. However, he points out that he was born here, that he’s a second-generation American, and aside from a grandfather and a couple of uncles, he doesn’t really have much connection to Cuba at all.
At any rate, I think that at this point, Rubio’s effect on the ticket will be muted, and that Romney could probably pick a stronger candidate elsewhere. I still think he’s going to pick a wingnut so he can shore up his base, but my wife thinks he’s going to do what Obama did and pick someone with strong foreign policy and/or defense credentials in order to cover that weakness in his resume.
Mighty Righty
June 26th, 2012
5:20 pm
Stimulus Jobs in China? Senators Angry About U.S. Money Going Overseas
March 4, 2010
A war is emerging between Congress and the White House over high-profile stimulus programs that lawmakers claim aren’t serving the American people.
Senate Democrats lashed out at the Obama administration on Wednesday, saying its stimulus wind energy program creates jobs overseas instead of in the U.S., and they’re calling for the administration to put a stop to it.
“Today, we are demanding the Obama administration suspend this program immediately,” said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.
The program has already spent $2 billion, funding enough projects to power 2.4 million homes. Any wind farm created in the U.S. is eligible for stimulus money to put up wind turbines, regardless of where those massive structures are made. Each turbine costs about $3 million, and reaches 40 stories into the sky.
An investigation by ABC News and the Investigative Reporting Workshop found that 79 percent of the program’s money has gone to foreign companies, money that Schumer said was “federal tax dollars, the stimulus, which was sold as jobs in America.”
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
5:21 pm
I’m still waiting on an explanation on how porn adversely affects us all..
For all it’s bad press and such, porn actually is a driver for technological advancement. Each leap in recording technology has not gone full steam until the ability to record and play back porn took hold. VHS, DVD, and even streaming internet to an extent are/were all driven by the demand for porn.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
5:21 pm
Paul — “Guy goes into his doc for an exam. Doc says “your age, I’m scheduling you for a colonoscopy.”
ZOMG, the worst part is that crap they make you drink the day before. Next to that, the actual procedure is a breeze.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
5:22 pm
willard did a great job creating jobs in China and India.
American jobs, not so much.
Vote to lose your jobs cons.
Self defeatists.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
5:23 pm
The Romney/Ryan business plan for the government: Cut taxes until it turns a profit.
josef
June 26th, 2012
5:24 pm
Speaking of Rubio, anybody else catch him on Jon Stewart last p.m.? Did a pretty good job of sticking to his principles relative to the Dream Act and toeing the party line…
tireofit
June 26th, 2012
5:24 pm
I don’t want a president that doesn’t even have the balls to name his favorite color. How can you support such a waffler or flake?
Mighty Righty
June 26th, 2012
5:24 pm
Speaking of Vice Presidents. Does anyone think Obama will not dump his “village idiot” for Hillary? Seriously.
Bud Wiser
June 26th, 2012
5:26 pm
Looking under the robes of this collection of judges could be considered abusive and inhumane treatment.
Where is the ACLU when nobody really needs them?
I also see that scruffy looking of whatever calls themselves the “black leadership” has now brought up the issue of race, and the charges of contempt against Holder are racially motivated.
They’re runing a little behind I’d say.
In the collection plates…..
Gotta move them folks on up to tossing more bread their way; after all, donations and contributions from the terminally stupid are the only way these leeches make a living. Al Sharpton, a black leader? If that’s all the black community can produce to speak for them, then perhaps life may well not be worth living.
Holder will cut a last minute deal is my prediction, something to spare himself and his pathetic loser of a boss further humiliation. They’ll deal, and scream racism (again) no matter how it rolls out.
Obama and Holder are the greatest embarassment that this nation has ever had to suffer in the eyes of the world, as well as its own citizenship.
I hereby today predict that unless Romney is video-taped consorting with whores, drinking, seeking legal advice from John Edwards, and smoking Cuban cigars, that this race is over.
November Romney 56%, Obozo 42%, and whoever else tries for the table scraps.
You heard it here first, the Bud has spoken.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
5:26 pm
Mighty Righty
never know, but I doubt it…… Wonder if Palin is available?
hahahahaha
josef
June 26th, 2012
5:28 pm
RIGHTY
If he has any sense, he will. The problem would be getting her to take it. She’s got her on run to think about for 2016 and needs the time (and distance) to get her own act in gear…imauo
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
5:28 pm
If that’s all the black community can produce to speak for them, then perhaps life may well not be worth living.
What gives you the impression that the Black (with a capital B) community produced anybody to speak for them anyway? We need someone to speak for us just as much as the White community needs somebody to speak up for them.
Mighty Righty
June 26th, 2012
5:28 pm
GE moving X-ray business to China. What message is sent to U.S.?
FROM CNN’s Jack Cafferty:
Here is more evidence of the suicide mission this country is on: General Electric announced it’s moving its 115-year-old X-ray business from Waukesha, Wisconsin to Beijing, China.
The X-ray business is part of General Electric’s GE Healthcare unit, and this move is just part of a broader plan by GE to invest $2 billion in China.
Paul
June 26th, 2012
5:28 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
Only thing worse was the guy I once had who made me drink the stuff, then do a pill, then do another cleaner.
Didn’t go to him again -
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 26th, 2012
5:29 pm
Now THAT I had not noticed, Josef. You a very bad boy to put that in my head.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
5:29 pm
Tbs that jindal speech a few months ago set him back though
Total disaster
Jindal will get a job. But not veep
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
5:29 pm
“Holder will cut a last minute deal is my prediction, something to spare himself and his pathetic loser of a boss further humiliation. ”
Why does he need to cut any deal? Unless your fav pundit forgot to tell you, Issa said on Sunday that he has “NO EVIDENCE” of a cover up.
But keep up the talking points and diatribes……… Wouldn’t want you to be inconsistent
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
5:29 pm
Paul — “Didn’t go to him again -”
YARG
Can’t blame you.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
5:32 pm
Let us not forget:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rToKEnySb7s
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
5:32 pm
Jm
On Jindal was just saying as a force within the GOP, whether it was VP or something else.
Let’s face it, GOP currently has a slight problem with demographic trends. They are doing more outreach then ever, because they know what how things are trending.
Jindal and Rubio both smart, even though I have policy disagreements, and they help mitigate some of the demographic issue as the GOP does more outreach
JohnnyReb
June 26th, 2012
5:34 pm
I regret missing the start of this party. I always enjoy debating states rights, but someone has to work to pay for all the government give-a-ways. Obama sure isn’t working; he’s too busy trying to fund raise.
I see Jay is right on que by following up his morning piece with an indictment of SCOTUS.
This is a planned attack by the Obama administration and Jay is surely doing his part.
After Thursday’s strike down of Obamacare, the Left will increase the whinning. Obama will flirt with if not out right stating that he gave everyone health care coverage but four white men and one uncle Tom took it away.
Lastly, I don’t suppose it ever enters the Moonbat mind that perpahps, just possibly the reason the supremes rule as they do is because they are correct.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
5:35 pm
Bud Wiser
If Obama wins, I wouldn’t be surprised if Holder doesn’t stay on. With that said, unless you know more information than as been said in the media, why would he cut a deal?
Unless Issa was lying, what would the deal be about?
tireofit
June 26th, 2012
5:37 pm
Jindal and Rubio both smart. So is my dog.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
5:37 pm
w fell off the wagon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCRyO6JP6Oc&feature=fvwrel
Talk about a major embarrassment.
Mighty Righty
June 26th, 2012
5:37 pm
Remember, Jeffrey Immelt is Obama’s job’s czar. Before you criticise Romney for something he alledgedly did years ago, Obama’s people are shipping jobs to China now.
General Electric Co. (GE), with businesses ranging from energy to health care to aviation, plans to open its second China innovation center in Xi’An city to be closer to customers in faster-growing regions.
The company intends to set up more centers in China after opening the Xi’An facility in the central province of Shaanxi this summer, Chief Executive Officer Jeff Immelt said at a briefing today in Chengdu, western China. GE is working on two to three more joint ventures in the country, according to Immelt, who said it’s too early to provide details.
Enlarge image
General Electric Will Open More Innovation Centers in China Nelson Ching/Bloomberg
Employees at the General Electric Co. healthcare unit’s production facility assemble medical X-ray devices in Beijing. GE’s center in Chengdu will mainly focus on developing new health-care products aimed at solving rural medical needs, while the Xian center “focuses more on lighting and coal,” Chief Executive Officer Jeff Immelt said.
Employees at the General Electric Co. healthcare unit’s production facility assemble medical X-ray devices in Beijing. GE’s center in Chengdu will mainly focus on developing new health-care products aimed at solving rural medical needs, while the Xian center “focuses more on lighting and coal,” Chief Executive Officer Jeff Immelt said. Photographer: Nelson Ching/Bloomberg
.GE is carrying out projects as part of a $2 billion commitment made in late 2010 for innovation and technology partnerships over three years in China, where annual revenue gains of 20 percent contrast with negative growth for the company. Fairfield, Connecticut-based GE today opened an $80 million center in Chengdu for researching products in areas including health care, energy and transportation.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
5:37 pm
Your dog is smarter.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 26th, 2012
5:38 pm
I’m out for the evening. All be well and drive safely.
JohnnyReb
June 26th, 2012
5:38 pm
If Obama wins and Republicans control the Senate as well as the house, little Barry may find himself impeached over his stray from the Constitution and pledge to uphold our laws.
josef
June 26th, 2012
5:38 pm
We keep talking about the VP choice, and I suppose we should since it is the first appointment a candidate has to go public with, but I wish they’d name their cabinet choices in the campaigns. They have much more impact on the way an administration will go.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
5:38 pm
JohnnyReb
I bet you were downtown throwing back double Jack Daniels and hobnobbing with the ATL’s political and financial elite as you listened to Obama throw “red meat” to the crowd.
just kidding
Hope you and yours are doing well
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
June 26th, 2012
5:40 pm
Sounds kind of like the Arizona thing – the feds over the states. You Democrats sure do whine when you do not get your way. We will trade you the corporations for the unions, Hollywood, and Wall Street. Then again, maybe not.
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
5:41 pm
TBS and Joe,
I agree that Rubio probably won’t get the nod but I’ve listened to him these past few weeks and was impressed with his ability to project emotion and do so while effectively articulating his points. He’s potentially a political sizzle salesman, while Romney is purely a steak man who lacks the sizzle sales delivery. In that sense Rubio could be a compliment. Got to go pick up my daughter. Later
Rightwing Troll
June 26th, 2012
5:41 pm
Thanks for that good one there Paul…
I was just trying to get clarification on a point one of the others here made. They inferred that unfettered, untraceable money in politics should be protected as free speech, and porn should not.
I’m just trying to ascertain why that is… nobody’s forced to watch porn, but we’re all affected by the outcome of elections.
JohnnyReb
June 26th, 2012
5:42 pm
They BOTH suck – same back to you; things are great here and hope the same for you.
They actually would not sell me a ticket. Something about being too partisan. Can you imagine?
tireofit
June 26th, 2012
5:43 pm
At least my dog has an opinion. Romney appears to have none, he talks nonsense and babbles. At least have an opinion!
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
5:43 pm
impeached over his stray from the Constitution and pledge to uphold our laws.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
getalife
June 26th, 2012
5:44 pm
I demand to see jindal’s and rubio’s birth certificates for fair and balance.
Now.
Mighty Righty
June 26th, 2012
5:44 pm
Did ya’ll see the Bamster fall down go boom in Tampa? Sho nuf. The man fell right on his face on the stage?
getalife
June 26th, 2012
5:44 pm
willard tortures dogs.
Rightwing Troll
June 26th, 2012
5:45 pm
So, speaking of State’s rights… how do you support Sheriff Joe’s right to implement immigration law as he sees fit, AND support the SCOTUS ruling that the State of Montana can’t restrict political donations in Montana elections?
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
5:45 pm
“Guns don’t kill, people kill.” – LaPierre’s House testimony in defense of Fast and Furious
getalife
June 26th, 2012
5:45 pm
mr,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCRyO6JP6Oc&feature=fvwrel
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
5:47 pm
JohnnyReb
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
5:47 pm
“At least have an opinion!”
Awww, come on now. He DOES have an opinion. And if you don’t like it, just wait a minute and he’ll change it.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
5:49 pm
i understand that words are infinitely more important to neocons than deeds.
But regarding the cutesy lovefest for Rubio, can anyone tell me what the man has actually accomplished?
Bueller?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
5:49 pm
Tbs 5:32 agreed
getalife
June 26th, 2012
5:49 pm
The 3 am call will keep ringing until he polls all actions.
We just got nuked.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
5:51 pm
Off Topic:
Weather Channel website stating that from Thursday through Monday the lowest high will be 97. 3 of those days will be 100 or more.
August is here
Bud Wiser
June 26th, 2012
5:53 pm
Brocephus at 5:28 – Yeah, you may need someone to speak for you. Sharpton and the curent clown brigade of takers and users speak for your community about as well as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaks for the Israelis.
They BOTH Suck @ 5:29, the deal will be along the lines of Holder releasing one or two documents a day until the election, and the Repubs will agree to it because of their pansy status as not wanting to be seen as a party going after a black siting Attorney General – translation: they don’t want to offend anyone.
Frankly I don’t think it matters one way or the other, as the Dems always start their refrain this time of year (before an election) that all conservatives are racists, want to take away all the old people’s social security and medicare/medicaid, fire a ton of teachers, and lay off police and firefighters.
Only the ingratiatingly stupid don’t recognize this tired, wornout, same old song.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
5:54 pm
A republican got busted for making four videos on the health care decision on You Tube to cover all outcomes.
He read the murdoch rag wsj.
td
June 26th, 2012
5:56 pm
Off topic:
How toxic is Obama?
“U.S. Sens. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Jon Tester of Montana and Joe Manchin of West Virginia have said they will not attend the convention, where Obama is to accept the party’s nomination. A handful of House members, from mostly Republican-leaning districts, also have announced they will not make the trip.”
“Augusta U.S. Rep. John Barrow will skip the Democratic National Convention in September, adding to a growing list of Democrats distancing themselves from the national party’s major quadrennial get-together.”
3 Democratic US Senators, the last remaining white Democrat in Georgia and other HOR members are willing to skip their own convention with all the big donors just to make sure they are not caught in a picture with Obama. Wow!!!
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
5:56 pm
“A republican got busted for making four videos on the health care decision on You Tube to cover all outcomes”
Wasn’t really much of a “bust” though. It’s more accurate to say his people were stupid enough to post them all.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
5:56 pm
Bud are you going to the
KKKRNC circus in Tampa later this summer?LOL…
Still nothing from you corporatists on Mr. Rubio’s accomplishments as a public servant?
Nothing?
barking frog
June 26th, 2012
5:56 pm
Romney/Redneck 2012.
Mighty Righty
June 26th, 2012
5:57 pm
getalife
June 26th, 2012
5:44 pm
I demand to see jindal’s and rubio’s birth certificates for fair and balance.
Fair enough. I will bet they have “real” non forged birth certificates and will produce them if they run for President or Vice President. I further will wager they will produce Social Security Cards that will come from a state they were born in or lived in at the time they obtained them. I will also be they will if asked produce their college transcripts. In addidition I will wager that neither of them have a staff of attorneys for the purpose of hiding their background.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
5:58 pm
Bud Wiser
Heard Hanitty yesterday saying that his prediction is that Obama knows he will not win and he will pardon Holder and himself on the way out the door…
hahahahaha
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
5:58 pm
” little Barry may find himself impeached over his stray from the Constitution and pledge to uphold our laws.”
Highly unlikely.
Lessee. Rubio, hasn’t accomplished much, yet. Which is why he won’t be VP, much less president anytime in the next 4 years.
Lessee. At rubio’s point in his career, Obama thought he was good enough to run for president.
Looks to me like republicans are sane, democrats not so much
Rightwing Troll
June 26th, 2012
5:59 pm
I don’t really expect an answer on either of my points, wingnuts are duplicitous fools who have no shred of credibility or honor. They’ll demand access to your bedroom, and decry the TSA for wanting access to your suitcase. They’ll whine about the universal healthcare and taxes, but spend like drunken sailors when they get the checkbook. They’ll beat thier chests and send kids off to die in faraway places for no reason, but hide under the porch at the sight of a brown skinned person. They’ll spend millions preempting problems that don’t exist like voter fraud, but won’t put up a dime to preempt problems like illiteracy… speaking of illiteracy… they sneer at knowledge and learning in this day and age, after they’ve managed to decimate domestic manufacturing and create an environment where those without a solid education don’t have a chance… I could go on and on… duplicitous, racist, self righteous fools…
Don't Tread
June 26th, 2012
6:00 pm
Citizens United is what happens when you try to limit the 1st Amendment rights of people you don’t like and it blows up in your face.
And Obama’s had two chances to make the court “less partisan” and instead nominated two uber-liberals (that will rubber-stamp whatever unconstitutional policy liberals want).
barking frog
June 26th, 2012
6:00 pm
JamVet
Rubio was a state senator
and is now a US Senator
who did not as far as I
know organize any communities.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
6:01 pm
I think their robes should have their corporate logos for American to see who they fight for.
josef
June 26th, 2012
6:02 pm
ZamVet
“Bud are you going to the KKK RNC circus in Tampa later this summer?”
That was uncalled for. I hold the GOP in high disregard, but that KKK thing is carrying partisanship way to far…imauo
tireofit
June 26th, 2012
6:03 pm
When Romney going to tell us what he believes? Wait I forgot he doesn’t have any. What’s that old country song? If you don’t stand for something you will fall for anything. How prophetic!
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
6:04 pm
Righty, you’re a birther?
No wonder you like Trump…
hasn’t accomplished much, yet.
Is that code for I can’t find a single significant thing?
It must be.
Getting elected seems to be the be all, end all of public service any more.
Again, what has the man done on behalf of his constituents, or any Americans, in terms of proposed/passed legislation?
Voted present? LOL!
I’m beginning to think the empty suit has a great biz zero after his name in this regard…
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
6:04 pm
Tbs
Pleasant 80’s down in FL
Paul
June 26th, 2012
6:04 pm
getalife 5:32
Every election I watch “Dave” with Kevin Kline.
Keeps things in perspective.
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
6:05 pm
how do you support Sheriff Joe’s right to implement immigration law as he sees fit, AND support the SCOTUS ruling that the State of Montana can’t restrict political donations in Montana elections?
States Rights first, unless it goes against the ideology. In that case, ideology trumps all.
————–
Yeah, you may need someone to speak for you.
WRONG!!! Just because you and others want to elevate Sharpton and others as speaking for all Blacks, that does not make that idea a fact any more than you speaking for me. I feel bad for you small minded people who feel the need to put people and things into your little preset ideas of who does what. I don’t need anybody to speak for me, and I have no plans to hire a spokesperson to do that either.
tireofit
June 26th, 2012
6:05 pm
I lived in Ft. Lauderdale for 25 years and most of my Cuban friends think Romney sucks.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
6:05 pm
mr,
Show me the papers.
The cons ODS is off the charts.
You will end up like reagan from that stress..
F. Sinkwich
June 26th, 2012
6:06 pm
“WASHINGTON — The list of Democrats skipping the party’s upcoming national convention in Charlotte, N.C., grew Tuesday, with Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) confirming that she will not attend the convention in favor of spending time with voters.”
Can I have her ticket?
I’ll dress up like an Occutard and fit right in. I won’t even need to pack pants.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
6:06 pm
Quick, hide the ilk.
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
6:07 pm
The only accomplishment I could find for Rubio was his speaking in front of that awful, American-hating CPAC group of thugs.
Great…
josef
June 26th, 2012
6:10 pm
getalife
@ 6:06
getalife
June 26th, 2012
6:11 pm
ilky,
It is election time so they campaign in their states ilky.
td
June 26th, 2012
6:12 pm
tireofit
June 26th, 2012
6:03 pm
“When Romney going to tell us what he believes?”
Besides the comment I heard to Joe the plumber, all I heard from Obama for 18 months was “Hope and Change’ and how bad Bush was doing. No different here, besides this election is not about Romney but is a referendum on Obama. The people will choose if he deserves another term or not. Bill Clinton has already said that Romney holds the qualifications to become President and that is the only question needed to be answered for Romney. .
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
6:13 pm
Sinkwich
At this rate, there won’t be a convention
They’re $17mm short of cash
They had to cancel one day due to lack of funds
Now several democrat leaders don’t plan to attend
And my favorite: the chairman of the convention held a fundraiser for Romney
Everyone is ditching O
td
June 26th, 2012
6:14 pm
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
6:07 pm
The only accomplishment I could find for Rubio was his speaking in front of that awful, American-hating CPAC group of thugs.
Great…
And what was Obama’s accomplishments before being elected President?
JamVet
June 26th, 2012
6:16 pm
td, you don’t debate, you dance.
Like Elaine on Seinfeld.
Go ahead, big red herring dog. List Rubio’s “accomplishments”.
Considering that he apparently has absolutely zero, it shouldn’t take you long!
LOL (at you)…
F. Sinkwich
June 26th, 2012
6:17 pm
“…American-hating CPAC group of thugs.”
Perhaps, Jammie, you could provide a link substantiating your outrageous allegation.
CPAC loves America.
Thugs are ACORNers, Occutards, SEIU losers, and by in large O’bozo supporters.
pogo
June 26th, 2012
6:18 pm
Much has been made about Obama and the Latino vote. There is one huge drawback here; he is losing votes in those all important Northeastern states that are packed with legal Americans that have worked and paid taxes and have paid into medicare their entire lives who now can’t find jobs. There aren’t enough latino votes to offset what he is losing with legal Americans. Obama was so stupid as to believe that his union base would agree with his kowtowing to illegal immigrants. A very bad mistake.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
6:19 pm
Jamvet you’re just a clown, and an ineffective one at that
Sad soul, you
getalife
June 26th, 2012
6:19 pm
I challenge you cons to find planet kolob and a store that sells magic underwear.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
6:21 pm
Td ignore jamvet
He has nothing to say (of substance)
tireofit
June 26th, 2012
6:22 pm
td: you need to get rid of that analog TV.
josef
June 26th, 2012
6:22 pm
POGO
Say what you will, at least middle America knows where Obama stands on illegal immigration. If they are voting on just that issue, or if it’s a key factor in casting their votes, do you honestly think that NO platform is more of a draw than one they disagree with?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
6:25 pm
40 months of 8% unemployment
“the private sector is doing fine”
Out of touch Obama
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
6:26 pm
pogo
In all your STUPIDITY and IGNORANCE, can you prove how many illegal Latino’s voted in the 08 and 10 elections.
No you can so STFU already…….
damn you are dumb
If I get banned it was worth it
F. Sinkwich
June 26th, 2012
6:26 pm
“Say what you will, at least middle America knows where Obama stands on illegal immigration.”
Yeah, he’s for it.
America ain’t.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
6:26 pm
can’t
td
June 26th, 2012
6:26 pm
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
6:21 pm
Td ignore jamvet
He has nothing to say (of substance)
Oh I understand. I have seen his post for a while now and can only say bless his little heart.
Tommy Maddox
June 26th, 2012
6:28 pm
After arguing before SCOTUS, the winners cheer and the losers complain. It’s been that way for a couple hundred years and it is not going to change.
getalife
June 26th, 2012
6:28 pm
willard is the outsourcer of jobs and offshore his accounts.
Nothing American about willard.
josef
June 26th, 2012
6:28 pm
SINKWICH
So, what’s Romney’s plan?
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
6:28 pm
josef
I know you are a better man than I was, however Pogo’s response from me was what pogo was needing………..maybe not wanting, but surely needing
I can only hope that is his blogging persona and there really is a brain there
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
6:30 pm
Jay has invented the “plantation con theory”
I bet he and sooth are pals
F. Sinkwich
June 26th, 2012
6:33 pm
“SINKWICH
So, what’s Romney’s plan?”
For immigration?
Sure. Uphold the law.
josef
June 26th, 2012
6:35 pm
BOTH
Pogo does occasionally challenge himself…not often, but he has done it. He’s just, like a lot of the posters here, so constrained by his partisanship that he leaps before he looks.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
6:35 pm
Sinkwich
So how much of an increase in the budget are you willing to accept so Romney can uphold all the laws in relation to illegals and get them rounded up and deported?
tireofit
June 26th, 2012
6:36 pm
America ain’t. So how do you feel about Reagan and amnesty?
td
June 26th, 2012
6:36 pm
getalife
June 26th, 2012
6:28 pm
willard is the outsourcer of jobs and offshore his accounts.
Nothing American about willard.
You posted this on another blog and my answer is the same. Since Romney understands (unlike Obama) what it would take to keep jobs in this country then we should let him implement those policies here to get the jobs back. Remind us all again how many jobs Obama has created since elected?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
6:37 pm
Tupelo honey on a ham sammy
Impossible to beat
josef
June 26th, 2012
6:38 pm
SINKWICH
The his plan is to follow the Supremes decision.
JM
The Imam a pal of Sooth’s? A lot more than you might think…
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
6:38 pm
“not often, but he has done it”
Must be on the days when cable, internet and radio are out. Without bs talking points, at least his blogging persona, isn’t much else. Since you have been here much longer than I…… I will take your word for it
F. Sinkwich
June 26th, 2012
6:38 pm
“Washington – Confidence among U.S. consumers dropped in June for a fourth consecutive month as mounting concern over jobs and incomes dimmed the outlook for spending. The Conference Board’s sentiment index fell to 62, a five- month low…”
Anyone who still supports O’bozo has to be a complete, total, and insufferable IDIOT.
josef
June 26th, 2012
6:41 pm
BOTH
Like I said, few and far between…
SINKWICH
“… a complete, total, and insufferable IDIOT.”
Ilk knows ilk.
Tom Middleton
June 26th, 2012
6:42 pm
Testing
Tom Middleton
June 26th, 2012
6:45 pm
First, they came for the laws protecting us and we did nothing!
Tom Middleton
June 26th, 2012
6:47 pm
First they came for our election laws and we did nothing…
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 26th, 2012
6:48 pm
Tbs 6:26
Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
6:51 pm
bman @ 4:09
I stand corrected on your post. I do find it difficult to understand when people complain that 50% of potential taxpayers (i.e. those with some kind of income stream) don’t pay any state or federal INCOME taxes but don’t seem bothered when the ultra-rich such as RMoney pay less in taxes than their secretary and when corporations with BILLIONS in profits not only don’t pay any taxes but get corporate welfare from the U.S. taxpayers in the form of subsidies and/or tax giveaways.
Those individual taxpayers that don’t pay federal or state INCOME tax are paying federal and state taxes. They are paying Social Security and Medicare taxes. They are paying state and local sales taxes, excise taxes, etc. The calculus on whether they pay income tax is based on their total gross income against a calculus of the poverty level. They are paying a much higher percentage of their income in taxes than the ultra-rich, any corporation or the majority of other Americans.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
6:51 pm
“I’m still waiting on an explanation on how porn adversely affects us all.. It’s a legitimate business that generates billions yearly, it’s not mandatory that anyone watch or participate, what’s the downside?”
Sorry…was away for a while. Dude, if you can’t figure out how pornography could possibly adversely affect people in general, then you are not as smart as you might suppose or willfully blind (which I suspect). Let me give you a clue: marital relations for one (and by extension, whole families and by extension, society when broken homes lead to societal problems). How about young kids who are exposed to it deliberately or mistakenly? How about the women who are sexually abused as children being the ones by far most likely to get into the porn industry (as opposed to a more positive line of work) – do you condone the exploitation of such people?
It really has no redeeming value but appeals mainly to prurient interests (yeah, I know, you read or watch it for the interviews). Guys like you amaze me, because you want to cling to the baseless idea that human acts occur in a vacuum, which even the slightest philosophical consideration would show it false. Almost everything we do or say has ramifications for others.
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
6:56 pm
Jm
I was just telling Bro this morning, it isn’t just what people post on here, but that some of them actually believe it.
I surely wouldn’t say the majority, but we have a few from all political stripes that I can only hope that what they post is for impact and attention.
After all it is politics, so we are going to have some degree of differences, but some of these people are WAY OUT there….. I would say it is more than politics. This being a political blog, so it manifest itself through that prism when they are on here.
tireofit
June 26th, 2012
6:58 pm
Why did outsourcing start under Reagan? I worked in a fortune 100 company in the 80’s and guess what they started doing? We had to teach them.
Republicans and $ = no job for most Americans.
The Gov has no Money!
June 26th, 2012
7:00 pm
I’ll say it again. Let’s just divide the country. Republicans get one half and Dems the other. Dems get to choose which part they want. Give it five years and see which side looks better. Dems are never for the plan. Repubs would jump at it. What does that tell you?
tireofit
June 26th, 2012
7:01 pm
The President when to the Varsity today. That’s an American.
tireofit
June 26th, 2012
7:03 pm
went, sorry I am busy writing special pace maker software for republicans.
Bummer
June 26th, 2012
7:04 pm
Tbs 6:56 agreed
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
7:05 pm
Adam:
“What the hell kind of logical backflips and cognitive dissonance rattles around in your head to come up with the people who WROTE THE CONSTITUTION “just have an opinion.”
Point #1: Jefferson had nothing to do with drafting the Constitution. He was Ambassador to France at the time.
Point #2 The founding fathers were wise enough to draft a Constitution that would ignore their future opinions …………. most of whom felt that slavery was Contitutional.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
7:05 pm
“Republicans get one half and Dems the other. Dems get to choose which part they want. Give it five years and see which side looks better.”
This is exactly why I am a proponent of state rights with respect to things like gay marriage, abortions of convenience, legalized use of now illicit drugs, and the like. As one very wise person has said: “wisdom is proved right by her children” (with the opposite being true as well, I suppose).
josef
June 26th, 2012
7:08 pm
CRIER
Gay marriage as a state issue (or any marriage for that matter), survivor’s benefits are federal…and that’s an issue….
Bummer
June 26th, 2012
7:10 pm
Josef
Jay and sooth? Scary
kayaker 71
June 26th, 2012
7:12 pm
Clare McCaskill, that stalward Bozo supporter who endorsed Bozo even before the had the nomination, supported the shovel ready stimulus bill, was positive on Cash for Clunkers, promoted Bozocare, Dodd Frank, a second stimulus…. everything that Bozo endorsed, there was old Clare, beating the drums for Bozo. Now she is not going to the convention because she is up for re-election and she can’t take the chance of those Missouri voters seeing her cheer the Imaculated One before a national audience. She is just the first of a group of high profile limousine liberals whose political future is in doubt who don’t want anything to do with Bozo or he re-election. Lets see who else defects from the Bozo show.
Jm- bummer
June 26th, 2012
7:13 pm
Oops
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
7:14 pm
Headline: “Former U.S. president Jimmy Carter is accusing the current president Obama of sanctioning the “widespread abuse of human rights” by authorizing drone strikes to kill suspected terrorists.”
O.K. now ………… other than JamVet ………. how many feel that the above statement (whether it’s true or not) is “disrespectful” to the current President of the United States because it accuses him of a very serious offense ?
Jm
June 26th, 2012
7:14 pm
Kayaker
Democrats going down
Poor job performance
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
June 26th, 2012
7:16 pm
Romney/Redneck 2012.
I want to wait to see what the polls say before I decide. Last time I run for anything, one of you jokers sent me a plug nickle and the rest never sent a penny. There’s somebody on this blog that knows what I’m talking about.
I’m with Romney. I’ll tell the folks I want to lead them and then wait to see which way they go and then jump ahead of them. Have a good night everybody.
Jm
June 26th, 2012
7:16 pm
Scout
I think the line from carter is a bit absurd
Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
7:18 pm
The gov has no money @ 7:00 p.m.
Yes, let’s see. Of the 32 states that receive more from the federal government than they pay in to the federal government, 27 are considered to be Republican states. Of the remaining states that pay more into the federal government that receive, 78% are considered Democratic states.
So let’s see, Democratic states contribute more than Republicans. Republicans = welfare, lazy, crack whores, etc. Democrats = hard-working, productive, values.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
7:22 pm
“Gay marriage as a state issue (or any marriage for that matter), survivor’s benefits are federal…and that’s an issue….”
They don’t have to be linked, josef, just because they automatically are now. When I go to McDonalds, I can get a happy meal or just the drink
josef
June 26th, 2012
7:25 pm
CRIER
But, they are…
http://www.npr.org/2012/04/04/149845021/must-the-federal-government-honor-gay-marriage
Believer
June 26th, 2012
7:29 pm
Obama is the one who can fix America
OedipusTax
June 26th, 2012
7:32 pm
Socialized medicine is extremist, close to a communist concept, very far to the left. Because Obamacare, supported by the extreme leftist Obama, is about to be declared unconstitutional, leftist columnist twits such as Jay Bookman has to write and make a fool out of himself. Somehow he calls a 5-4 split court that tends towards moderate conservatism to be partisan. Only the mediocre leftist fools believe this nonsense, but put Jay Bookman at the front of that class of dunces.
Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
7:33 pm
Towncrier @ 7:22
Laws regarding marriage has long been within the jurisdiction of each state. One state such as Georgia considers first cousin relationship to be within the permitted degree of consanguinity whereas other states prohibit this marriage.
Under what conditions a state will license a marriage and, conversely, un-do a marriage via divorce, is a matter of state law, subject to certain non-discriminatory provisions.
The issue comes in when, for heterosexual marriage, under “full faith and credit”, all states are required to recognize marriages (and divorces) performed in other states. Under DOMA and state constitutional amendments prohibiting gay marriage (which will be undone in the next 20 years if not sooner), we have a new situation. One state issues gay marriages, couple moves to a state that doesn’t recognize gay marriage. Couple cannot get divorced in new state and they no longer qualify under residency requirements to be divorced in the state in which they were married.
This creates total chaos. Then enters the issue of survivor benefits for federal programs such as Social Security. Under DOMA, the federal government may not recognize the marriage for purposes of federal benefits accrued to heterosexual couples.
The distinctions in terms of fairness and logic are clear. The question is whether your local Baptist minister is smart enough to understand. I’m not singling out Baptists here, only saying that in many states that have prohibited gay marriage, Baptists are a powerful political force that have opposed such recognition.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
7:33 pm
Jm:
It’s absurd (and untrue) but I’m trying to make a bigger point.
Stay tuned …………….
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
7:35 pm
Headline: “Federal agents, Arizona officials blast Homeland Security’s ‘business as usual’ approach in wake of Supreme Court ruling”
“Anyone that is determined to be a low-level threat is subject to being released back into the general population since ICE does not view them as criminals,” one DHS agent told FoxNews.com. “It saddened me to see that ICE is choosing to operate under a ‘business as usual’ mind set rather than seeing how they can work with Arizona to accomplish the goals that they both share.
The agent who talked to FoxNews.com said his colleagues are as outraged as he is and that federal policy makes it impossible to catch illegal immigrants who are criminals, unless they are caught in the act.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/26/business-as-usual-for-homeland-security-after-supreme-court-ruling-in-arizona/#ixzz1ywgCM7fl
Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
7:35 pm
Oedipus tax @ 7:32
So have you spoken with the justices on their upcoming decision? This would be a first. You should write a book. I’m not sure anyone before has been so certain of a decision from the court.
Please explain how the ACA is socialist. You seem convinced it is socialist but I submit you probably have no idea what the word means. I am looking forward to your explanation…Tic-toc, tic-toc.
Proud to be me
June 26th, 2012
7:37 pm
Jay, put you big boy pants on and stop whinning!! You are as partisan as it comes.
The Gov has no Money!
June 26th, 2012
7:39 pm
@ Dekalb
So you are for splitting the country?? Do you think the Dem side would be better? You never gave an answer. I am willing to try it, but I doubt the Dems will take the chance. You quote stats. There are lies, darn lies, and then stats. There is always more to the story than a simple set of numbers.
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
7:40 pm
“Jay, put you big boy pants on and stop whinning!! You are as partisan as it comes.”
Whines Proud to be me
josef
June 26th, 2012
7:40 pm
CRIER
Not to go into it here, but as per our earlier exchange and getting back with you on what you posted, I’ll let this person speak for me and why so many of us are still angry…
http://www.queerty.com/ron-reagan-jr-explained-that-whole-aids-thing-to-his-father-20110207/
Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
7:41 pm
@ Proud to be whatever 7:37
And this is news to you that needs to be communicated? I thought the whole idea of “baby-face Wingfield vs. Bookman was to provide a conservative versus liberal viewpoint exchange on issues.
Do you deny “baby-face” Wingfield is not partisan? If you do I suggest you take a few steps back and assess.
Jm
June 26th, 2012
7:46 pm
Wingfield is partisan
Possibly less so, but I don’t read him enough to know for sure
Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it!
June 26th, 2012
7:46 pm
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Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
7:48 pm
@ The Gov has no money @ 7:39
No, I am not suggesting dividing the country. That was tried once by certain states south of the Mason-Dixon line and it didn’t go so well for them.
The point is there are lots of statistics that confirm that blue or blue-leaning states contribute more in federal revenue than red or red-leaning states. I’m not saying that is necessarily a bad thing. I’m suggesting it is an interesting fact when so many in the red or red-leaning states think they are over-taxed.
The problem we face today is liberal (and I wear that label proudly) and conservative are incapable of coming together for the “general welfare” expressed in the preamble to the Constitution. Partisan, extreme positions on both sides have made compromise and genuine “politics” impossible.
Is there hope? I don’t see much on the horizon. Whether Obama or RMoney win in November, the other side will do everything to prevent any progress. Senator McConnell’s statement…”my primary job now is to deny Obama a 2nd term” will live in infamy. Democrats will rally around that as a badge of honor.
To what end? Is our country not more important than political wins? There will always be a back-and-forth. But some, especially in the R party, believe in scorched earth. A bit childish and destructive but who cares as long as they make lots of money.
I remind them of Jesus’ statement that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than to enter heaven.
Mama Says
June 26th, 2012
7:56 pm
So now Jay is a states rights man huh ?
Interesting, when do we see the Jay is a redneck, Jay is a racist, Jay is this Jay is that stuff that comes when a conservative utters the words, States Rights.
Jm
June 26th, 2012
7:56 pm
Dekalb
Counting states is a silly metric, try population or congressional districts or something else
GA is neutral
Jm
June 26th, 2012
8:00 pm
Normal
Posting fundraising info for a possibly suspect non profit? Do your due diligence folks
Mama Says
June 26th, 2012
8:00 pm
Dekalb your comments are interesting also.
You arue for compromise yet the only cite you post is degrading to republicans.
I agree with your over all logic but this partisan stuff is well entrenched on both sides. We McConnell you have Reid.
They both do the very best they can at preventing compromise.
Mama Says
June 26th, 2012
8:03 pm
Jay can I solicit money for the republican party on This blog or what ?
How about the sons of confederate veterans ?
Ok how about my beer fund ?
They BOTH suck
June 26th, 2012
8:03 pm
Mama says
Well McConnell and Reid announced a compromise on the student loan issue, we will see what the House has to say.
But to your overall point, I agree, neither has a monopoly on divisiveness.
Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
8:07 pm
Jm @ 7:56
No, counting states is not silly. It is a general characterization that states that tend to lean one way or another contribute more than those that lean another way is relevant.
Georgia is slightly positive (i.e. about 2% more in than out).
But the reality is residents of states that think they are over-taxed and don’t get anything in return actually, factually, are uninformed.
Southern states often benefit from the presence of military installations. So if we cut the military budget, the pain will flow disproportionally to those states.
Mighty Righty
June 26th, 2012
8:08 pm
Qutoted from an article appearing in the Washington Post attributed to Norman Podhoretz.
And that is what America did to Obama. True, Obama himself was never troubled by his lack of achievements, but why would he be? As many have noted, Obama was told he was good enough for Columbia despite undistinguished grades at Occidental; he was told he was good enough for the US Senate despite a mediocre record in Illinois; he was told he was good enough to be president despite no record at all in the Senate. All his life, every step of the way, Obama was told he was good enough for the next step, in spite of ample evidence to the contrary.
What could this breed if not the sort of empty narcissism on display every time Obama speaks? In 2008, many who agreed that he lacked executive qualifications nonetheless raved about Obama’s oratory skills, intellect, and cool character. Those people – conservatives included – ought now to be deeply embarrassed.
The man thinks and speaks in the hoariest of cliches, and that’s when he has his teleprompter in front of him; when the prompter is absent he can barely think or speak at all.
Not one original idea has ever issued from his mouth – it’s all warmed-over Marxism of the kind that has failed over and over again for 100 years.
And what about his character? Obama is constantly blaming anything and everything else for his troubles. Bush did it; it was bad luck; I inherited this mess. It is embarrassing to see a president so willing to advertise his own powerlessness, so comfortable with his own incompetence.
But really, what were we to expect? The man has never been responsible for anything, so how do we expect him to act responsibly?
In short: our president is a small and small-minded man, with neither the temperament nor the intellect to handle his job.
When you understand that, and only when you understand that, will the current erosion of liberty and prosperity make sense. It could not have gone otherwise with such a man in the Oval Office.
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
8:09 pm
0311/8541,
Jimmy Carter is nothing but a sanctimonious ass who will pass his crown as the least effective United States president to Barack Obama who with any luck will be unemployed by January 013.
josef
June 26th, 2012
8:09 pm
MAMA
“How about the sons of confederate veterans ?”
Ssshhhh…don’t mention them. It’ll get you a fatwah from the Imam in a minute…speaking from past experience…
Light at the end of the tunnel...
June 26th, 2012
8:11 pm
“If ObamaCare is not deemed constitutional, then the first three and a half years of this president’s term will have been wasted on something that has not helped the American people,” he [Romney] said in a campaign stop in Virginia.
“If it is deemed to stand, then I’ll tell you one thing. Then we’ll have to have a president – and I’m that one – that’s going to get rid of ObamaCare. We’re gonna stop it on day one.”
From: June 26, 2012 10:56 pm
Obama warns on healthcare ruling
By Stephanie Kirchgaessner in Washington
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
8:11 pm
They BOTH @ 6:56
I sincerely hope that most of the people that I think you’re referring to do not believe what they post. If so, this country is truly messed up.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
8:14 pm
Recon 0311 2533 :
Careful ……….. you’ll upset JamVet ……………….
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
8:16 pm
Obama is the one who can fix America
Nope. Only America can fix America.
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
8:19 pm
Gay pride day in the Pentagon…unbelievable that the United States military the defenders of our national security along with millions of veterans many who’ve suffered life changing wounds not to mention those who made the ultimate sacrifice would be subjected to this political abomination. There is no doubt that Barack Obama and his disgusting administration must be terminated in November of this year.
Jay
June 26th, 2012
8:21 pm
Did someone mention Sons Of Confederate Veterans? My spidey sense was going off.
josef
June 26th, 2012
8:23 pm
IMAM
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
8:24 pm
“Careful ……….. you’ll upset JamVet”
0311/8541@8:14
I think you know that while I’m not on this blog to upset anyone personally, should that happen, I have no remorse.
stands for decibels
June 26th, 2012
8:25 pm
evenin’.
I’ve had some weird supposed-to-be insults tossed my way online in the past, but this one:
he’s riding his scooter to work at Trader Joe’s…
I’m still trying to figure out what’s wrong, or shameful, or whatever, with a) riding a scooter to work, or b) working at Trader Joe’s.
Not that either happens to be true for me, but… I don’t get it. Maybe someone can explain.
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
8:26 pm
“Gay pride day in the Pentagon…unbelievable that the United States military the defenders of our national security”
It’s very telling that you think that celebrating one segment of our soldiers is demeaning to the others. Personally, I think it’s great. I just wonder when they’re going to have a Women’s pride day in the Pentagon.
Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
8:27 pm
Recon @ 8:19
What? You don’t think that the service of thousands of gay, lesbian and transgendered Americans should be recognized because you consider this an abomination? I suggested you reserve your hatred for your confessional. I think your spiritual advisor will be very interested in your targeted hatred.
We are finally recognizing there are Americans that are willing to sacrifice their lives for this country. Those individuals are gay, lesbian, bi-sexual and transgendered. Their service is no less honorable than that of cranky white guys or blacks or asians or native americans. They have offered their service to this country and you deny them the right to recognition?
You are a communist, a socialist, an America-hater. How can you be so small unless your preacher told you to hate. Good luck on judgment day!!!
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
8:28 pm
“If it is deemed to stand, then I’ll tell you one thing. Then we’ll have to have a president – and I’m that one – that’s going to get rid of ObamaCare. We’re gonna stop it on day one.”
Romney can’t do that. That would be hypocrisy of epic proportions especially considering how at least one poster on this thread has said that Obama needs to be impeached for not following law. If that law is upheld, Romney will do what conservatives have been crying about, and he will enforce the law as it is. Otherwise, those very people complaining about not enforcing laws will forever be branded for the partisaned hypocrites they really are.
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
8:30 pm
“Women’s pride day in the Pentagon.”
That would have my complete support.
josef
June 26th, 2012
8:30 pm
IMAM
I’ll put you in for honorary membership in the Patrick Cleburne camp…
“Cleburne’s relationship with his twenty-two year old adjutant, Captain Irving Ashby Buck, drew the notice of the general’s colleagues. Cleburne’s biographer John Francis Maguire wrote that the general’s ‘attachment’ to Buck ‘was a very strong one’ and that Buck ‘for nearly two years of the war, shared Cleburne’s labors during the day and his blankets at night.’ Buck himself wrote that the pair were ‘close and confidential. I habitually messed with him and shared his tent and often his blankets.”
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
8:32 pm
“Romney can’t do that”
Well, no…he can’t. But if the American voters are stupid enough to elect him AND give him a filibuster proof Senate as well, I have NO DOUBT they’ve got the repeal legislation already written, ready to be passed and signed. All it would take is one sentence and about 10 minutes.
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
8:34 pm
“That would have my complete support.”
What?! You would actually support an event that demeans all the hundreds of thousands of MEN in our military?
Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
8:35 pm
@ Doggone/GA 8:32
And if that happens, millions of Americans are affected. Thousands will die needlessly but the American insurance companies are saved from certain, well less than 10% returns on their investment in human sickness and death. What a win for the free market!!!!!
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
8:36 pm
DeKalb comments,
You sir or mam are nothing more than a presumptuous jack ass. I would discuss my position but because of your presumption, you’re unworthy of my time.
Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it!
June 26th, 2012
8:38 pm
jm ,
Possibly suspect??? What the hell does that mean?
——————–
Jay…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzeLoa1gwCU
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
8:38 pm
“And if that happens, millions of Americans are affected”
You don’t really think they care about that, do you? I don’t.
Dekalb comments
June 26th, 2012
8:40 pm
Recon @ 8:36
Oh, I love your taunting jabs. I doubt you have the intellectual capability of crossing the street but I will give your parents likely credit for that.
Typical reich-winger.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
8:40 pm
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) moved this week to hold a noncontroversial flood insurance bill hostage until the Senate agrees that life begins at fertilization.
Republicans are such idiots. What happens if you have sex and do not produce a child. Is the couple sentenced to death. And how will Republicans determine who has had sex and with whom so said couples can be monitored. Is this the “jobs” package that Republicans have been promising since 2010.
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
8:40 pm
Sorry, got in a hurry! I meant to say “I don’t think THEY do care.”
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
8:44 pm
TaxPayer
Whaaaaa? You mean that when a couple has sex and do not produce a child, the couple isn’t sentenced to death?
Gosh, you liberals are sooooo smart.
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
8:45 pm
“Republicans are such idiots.”
I don’t know if what you posted is true or not, but if it is…I want them to keep it up. Keep going off the deep end, sooner or later they won’t be able to claw their way back out.
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
8:48 pm
“I doubt you have the intellectual capability of crossing the street but I will give your parents likely credit for that.”
For insulting a bloggers family if Jay had any ounce of credibility you would be kicked squarely off his blog, but that’s up to Jay.
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
8:49 pm
Yea. LOL!! Republicans are going off the deep end!?!?
That’s because we are supporting this power hungry incompetent Chicago gangster that obviously should have stayed organizing communities.
Jm
June 26th, 2012
8:52 pm
Normal
Every charity is suspect to me until having done due diligence on how they spend $
Jay has spidey sense? He does weave tangled webs……
“sons of confederate veterans” lessee…..
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
8:53 pm
Presumptive GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney often makes a point of claiming to be a practical joker, though many have questioned the nature of some of his most famed “pranks.” On Monday, Romney’s sense of humor was again on display when his campaign repeated a stunt involving driving its bus around President Barack Obama supporters while honking.
Afterward, Romney, with scissors in hand, and his pranksters were seen chasing someone that Romney did not approve of.
Mighty Righty
June 26th, 2012
8:53 pm
I had to go to the city today for the first time in a while. Boy,Obama’s economic program has really reduced traffic. A lot fewer people wasting gasoline these days going to work. No need to worry about T SPLOST. We don’t need any kind of transit syetem or new roads. Just fix a few pot holes. Gasoline price is way down. I understand there is a glut of oil.
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
8:53 pm
“Yea. LOL!! Republicans are going off the deep end!?!?
That’s because we are supporting this power hungry incompetent Chicago gangster that obviously should have stayed organizing communities”
I can go with that. Obama obviously has driven them insane. Not hard to do either.
Jm
June 26th, 2012
8:55 pm
Normal charities that aggressively solicit funds like that are even more suspect
Often just supporting a payroll
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
8:56 pm
“I understand there is a glut of oil.”
Along with a weak economy that hasn’t revived on Obama’s watch.
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
8:57 pm
Doggone/GA
Obama has been a real concern for anyone smart enough to see past talking points and class warfare.
Face it, Dog. He’s desperate. He can’t raise money and no one (with a 3 digit IQ) is still buying his BS.
I have to hand it to you. Not a lot of people are brave enough to still try to defend his incompetence.
Jm
June 26th, 2012
9:00 pm
There is a glut of stupidity
Mostly in the blue states
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
9:00 pm
“Not a lot of people are brave enough to still try to defend his incompetence”
Please quote where I did that…but don’t hurt yourself trying.
Jay
June 26th, 2012
9:02 pm
Let me get this straight, Recon:
You call someone a “presumptuous jackass,” and then claim victim status when fire is returned?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
9:02 pm
Recon 0311 2533 :
“I think you know that while I’m not on this blog to upset anyone personally, should that happen, I have no remorse.”
Collateral damage !!
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:02 pm
Dog,
Bravo. I would make that demand, too. God knows, I wouldn’t want people to think that I support that clown.
Jm
June 26th, 2012
9:02 pm
Health alert
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-24/is-your-couch-trying-to-kill-you-.html
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
9:03 pm
“God knows, I wouldn’t want people to think that I support that clown.”
I accept your capitulation. Since I already know you can’t find any such quotes.
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:05 pm
Dog
Really? So Its all about you? Is this a problem in your life? You try to make everything about you being a judge and jury?
So I capitulated? Do you want to make yourself feel really powerful and sentence me? LOL!!
Jay
June 26th, 2012
9:06 pm
Exec, under the circumstances — the state of the economy that he inherited compounded by a disloyal opposition — Obama has done a very good job.
Mighty Righty
June 26th, 2012
9:06 pm
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
8:28 pm
Your take is different than mine. Obama has set a precedent that it is okay for a president to ignore even congressionally approved law merely based on his personal preference. Therefore, using Obama’s treatment of the law as an example, Romney would be perfectly legal within this new precedent as established by Obama in not enforcing the Obamacaire law. Obama added a caveat that he wasn’t changing the law he was just not going to enforce it which is a distinction without a difference. Romney or any future president would be well within his rights to ignore any and all laws he might disagree with. BTW, this new precedent is okay with a Republican congress since they have taken no action to impeach Obama. In the future we will not need a congress or laws in as much as the president will be able to rule according to his favorite whim of the day.
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
9:09 pm
“So I capitulated?”
Ok, I’ll retract it…as soon as you produce the quotes. I’m patient, I can wait. But I do have to go to bed sometime tonight, so don’t take TOO long. It’s got to be pretty easy for you…since I haven’t posted much tonight.
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
9:09 pm
“You are a communist, a socialist, an America-hater. How can you be so small unless your preacher told you to hate. Good luck on judgment day!!!”
Jay, a little excerpt from Dekalbs comments post that addressed my post that had nothing to do with this blogger. I merely replied in kind. Guess you’re into selective oversight. Huh?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
9:11 pm
Well, finally there will be an NCAA Division I football playoff of four teams.
I predict it will eventually go to eight.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/06/26/college-football-playoff-plan-bcs-presidents.ap/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a0
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
9:11 pm
Jay, not to mention the insult directed toward my deceased parents@8:40pm. Guess you are selective.
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:11 pm
Jay
Your standards for a very good job and my standards for a very good job are obviously two very, very different things.
Unless,
You are saying that he has done all this on purpose.
To be honest. I think he meant to ruin the economy. Think about it. All those EPA rules. Do you really think this Chicago thug really cares that much about CO2?
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
9:12 pm
“There are three rules that we used to follow in my prior business career, in a turnaround: fee, fee, and fee: First we load them down with debt and charge a fee for the service, second, we provide an annual consultation in exchange for fees and finally we sell off the parts upon their demise for a fee,” Romney said at a New Jersey fundraiser when asked how he would rejuvenate his economic well-being.
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:13 pm
Dog
Yes, it’s all about you. If you don’t mind, why don’t you hold your breath while I look for those quotes. I’ll have them in just a few seconds. Really I will.
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
9:15 pm
“Yes, it’s all about you”
Yep, took you long enough to figure it out. But maybe the next time you’ll think at least a LITTLE before you post a speculative lie about someone here. Next time, be SURE you can back it up.
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:16 pm
TAXPayer
Did a search. Didn’t find that quote from Romney. Can you provide a link?
Jay
June 26th, 2012
9:16 pm
OK, Exec. I didn’t spot your tinfoil hat at first. Sorry to have bothered you.
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:17 pm
Dog
Calm down. Did I make you upset?
But if you don’t mind, finding liberals with giant chips on their shoulders is a lot of fun. Thanks for playing.
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:20 pm
Jay
So you won’t address the point. You actually think that this clown that wrote his first book dedicated to his Marxist Father and his second book dedicated to his racist Black Liberation Preacher is on the up and up?
Read his books, Jay. And believe what he says in his books because his is definitely living up to the people he dedicated his books to.
Mighty Righty
June 26th, 2012
9:20 pm
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
9:12 pm
Can you source your quote, pleae?
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
9:21 pm
“Calm down. Did I make you upset? ”
Nope.
“But if you don’t mind, finding liberals with giant chips on their shoulders is a lot of fun. Thanks for playing”
So objecting to being lied about is now having a “chip” on my shoulder? Funny, it seems to me that it is YOU is a tad upset at being called out on your lie.
Jay
June 26th, 2012
9:21 pm
I find it hard to hold a conversation with someone who’s in the midst of diving off the deep end, Exec.
josef
June 26th, 2012
9:21 pm
Ooooh! We better be good. Looks like the dead tree edition column is finished and the Imam’s got time to spend with his chirren…
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
9:23 pm
Cons! Living, exhaling proof that CO2 is the source of anthropogenic global warming. Well, except for the “human” part. I think that has yet to be determined.
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:23 pm
Jay
When you find someone who is doing that, I couldn’t blame you. But running away from a discussion by pulling the “too crazy to talk” seems to be beneath an employee of COX.
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:24 pm
TaxPayer
Link please. Two people have asked.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
9:24 pm
Carter called Obama a human rights violator ………. that’s pretty ugly.
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:25 pm
Dog
Oh I’m really upset because you have a chip on your shoulder.
This little judge and jury thing might work sometimes on some, but girl, you aren’t even in the same league.
Jay
June 26th, 2012
9:26 pm
If you say so, GLL.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
9:27 pm
Mighty and Exec,
Just look for the person that asked how Romney would rejuvenate his economic well-being and you’re sure to find your answer. Or you could do a little research of how Bain made its money regardless of how poorly their acquisitions did. It’s quite enlightening.
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
9:27 pm
“This little judge and jury thing might work sometimes on some, but girl, you aren’t even in the same league”
Evidently you are someone who has been here before, masquerading under a new name.
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:27 pm
Jay
Now I see why you are running away. You understand your limitations.
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
9:28 pm
Bookman, you would admonish me@9:02, while completely giving a pass to a blogger who stoops to the low of insulting a fellow bloggers parents. You have lost my respect.
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:28 pm
Dog
After I slapped Jay around one time too many, he no longer lets me keep my name. Don’t like it, talk to your half witted moderator.
barking frog
June 26th, 2012
9:29 pm
0311
when you kill someone or
order someone to be killed
you totally violate their
human rights. Carter did
the same when he ordered
the military to recover the
hostages.p
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:29 pm
Recon 0311 2533
Lost your respect?
barking frog
June 26th, 2012
9:29 pm
0311
when you kill someone or
order someone to be killed
you totally violate their
human rights. Carter did
the same when he ordered
the military to recover the
hostages.
Jay
June 26th, 2012
9:30 pm
No, GLL, I understand yours. I don’t go around picking on those unable to defend themselves.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 26th, 2012
9:32 pm
Seems to be a lot of whine being served in the cellar tonight.
barking frog
June 26th, 2012
9:33 pm
well that’s a new one. two
for me one for recon @929.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
9:33 pm
Food for thought – voices of alarm from the past:
It can be of no weight to say that the courts, on the pretense of a repugnancy, may substitute their own pleasure to the constitutional intentions of the legislature. This might as well happen in the case of two contradictory statutes; or it might as well happen in every adjudication upon any single statute. The courts must declare the sense of the law; and if they should be disposed to exercise WILL instead of JUDGMENT, the consequence would equally be the substitution of their pleasure to that of the legislative body. The observation, if it prove any thing, would prove that there ought to be no judges distinct from that body. – from no less than Alexander Hamilton, who generally supported judicial review
You seem to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps…. Their power [is] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves. – Thomas Jefferson to Marshall, chief justice in the Marbury Ruling
“The supreme court then have a right, independent of the legislature, to give a construction to the constitution and every part of it, and there is no power provided in this system to correct their construction or do it away. If, therefore, the legislature pass any laws, inconsistent with the sense the judges put upon the constitution, they will declare it void.” – Robert Yates, during the ratification debate
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:33 pm
JAy
You run away from real discussions about the joke in the White House.
Crow all you want, but unfortunately for you, everyone knows you here. Go stare at a picture of Obama for a while and write another brainless article. That’s what you are good at. Discussing politics with people much smarter than you . . . not so much.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
9:33 pm
Cheney was the last true executive Dick of the land. Other cons simply aspire to be one.
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:34 pm
TaxPayer
Link? Or was it a lie?
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
9:34 pm
“Seems to be a lot of whine being served in the cellar tonight”
yeah, and it seems to be one particular barrel that has the biggest leak.
Don't Tread
June 26th, 2012
9:34 pm
“he has done all this on purpose”
Q. What’s the easiest way to bring down capitalism?
A. Drown it in debt. While you’re at it, give the taxpayer money to your cronies who didn’t do a thing to earn it (besides supporting your campaign). Kill two birds with one stone.
josef
June 26th, 2012
9:35 pm
I can’t hold my tongue any longer…who left the cave closet door open and let Alley Oop out again yapping about his nellie little feelings being hurt after what that miserable excuse for a human being said about MY kids…drunken swine…
Okay, that’s out of the way…now let’s get back to the gay Confederates…
Executive Dictatorship
June 26th, 2012
9:35 pm
Dog
Don’t be a hater.
barking frog
June 26th, 2012
9:35 pm
sorry recon that was
exec dic
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
9:36 pm
Doggone @ 8:32
True. A part of me wants that to happen though. At that point, they will own the issue of resolving the healthcare issue. It won’t be “blame the Democrats” anymore. For once, the GOP would actually have to govern, and based on previous attempts, I think they are way out of practice.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
9:36 pm
“…now let’s get back to the gay Confederates…”
TMI, josef.
Jay
June 26th, 2012
9:37 pm
That problem has been fixed, Josef.
As I recall the last time this happened, he promised to go over my head and get himself reinstated. Didn’t work then, won’t work now.
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
9:38 pm
” For once, the GOP would actually have to govern, and based on previous attempts, I think they are way out of practice”
I don’t disagree, exactly…but I think at least a big part of the problem is that there are too many of them getting closer and closer to power who don’t HAVE any practice to be out of.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
9:39 pm
I gave you a truthful answer at 9:27 regarding where to find what you seek, former GLL. No lie. It’s not my problem if you are unable to identify the person that asked the question for corroboration.
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
9:39 pm
Got some candy azzes on here who lack the balls to identify their targets. How pathetic.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 26th, 2012
9:40 pm
Hmmmm, I seem to remember that threat too Jay……..
barking frog
June 26th, 2012
9:41 pm
Recon
care to identify your targets?
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
9:41 pm
For once, the GOP would actually have to govern, and based on previous attempts
Bro made a funny.
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
9:42 pm
Mighty Righty @ 9:06
Your take is different than mine.
As I expect it would be. “I” would expect those who claim to be all about upholding the Constitution to actually do what they claim to do. You, on the other hand, appear to simply be looking for an excuse to justify any member of the GOP not doing what they profess to do. I bet you’re one of those who don’t even hold Isakson responsible for submitting his plan to cut repeal Obamacare, cut government spending, and create private sector jobs. After all, he did say that he had a plan to do those very things back in 2010 when he wanted everybody to vote for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXz5ZDrzX-w
As for me, I believe a man’s word is his bond. If he says he’s going to do something, then I expect him to do it. That’s what I respected about GW Bush, and I gave Obama credit for when he got a health care bill passed.
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
9:43 pm
Yeah, well…if you’re going to try to sneak back under a new name it’s not a good idea to know too much about the other posters for someone who is ostensibly new here.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 26th, 2012
9:43 pm
“Meow” whines the internet tiger.
josef
June 26th, 2012
9:43 pm
IMAM
Well, you know how I feel about banning…
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
9:45 pm
” If he says he’s going to do something, then I expect him to do it.”
Well, yeah…but I’m not very rigid about it. If I hear a politician say he’s going to do something that I know perfectly well is not going to be within his power to do…if elected, then THAT promise I just write off as political hyperbole.
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
9:47 pm
Doggone
My view is that, if everybody held them accountable to what they “promised”, then maybe they would learn to be a bit more honest and realistic about things. However, when we have a population that’s dumbed down and live off of bumper sticker slogans, I doubt my method would really catch on.
josef
June 26th, 2012
9:47 pm
CRIER
Seriously, though. It turns out that the gay Confederates put up quite an appearance. For the life of me I cannot find the citation now (lost in a computer fry) about a unit of, uh, cabaret performers from New Orleans who entertained the troops doing drag shows during lulls in the battle. Even though the invaders didn’t know their other talents, the unit was singled out and remarked on in the reports from the Battle of Jackson as being the “meanest, most vicious” lot they had ever encountered!
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
9:47 pm
“care to identify your target”
I don’t target.
Jay
June 26th, 2012
9:48 pm
If you thought GLL was whining before, you should see him fulminating right now in unpublished comments. Pretty funny.
Towncrier
June 26th, 2012
9:48 pm
“Well, you know how I feel about banning…”
Not all speech is protected, josef.
Jay
June 26th, 2012
9:49 pm
And if you’re still out there, GLL, I have no idea who you are in real life and have no interest in finding out.
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
9:49 pm
Oops, in my link at 9:42 Isakson didn’t say he would repeal Obamacare. I think that was a different commercial. My appologies for putting words in his mouth.
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
9:50 pm
Jay
Free the comments so we can all enjoy the meltdown…
Jay
June 26th, 2012
9:50 pm
Profanity precludes that option, Bro. Take my word for it, it’s entertaining.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 26th, 2012
9:51 pm
Brosephus, it would be nice if politicians would stop making promises up front that everyone knows they cannot keep. Sort of like Day 1 promises by Romney. No politician can pass a single law by themself.
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
9:52 pm
“My view is that, if everybody held them accountable to what they “promised”, then maybe they would learn to be a bit more honest and realistic about things”
Yeah, well…in an ideal world, maybe. Personally, *I* would like to see more reporters with the balls to confront them on those kinds of “promises” and “access” be damned. But I won’t hold my breath on that one.
barking frog
June 26th, 2012
9:52 pm
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
9:39 pm
Got some candy azzes on
here who lack the balls to
identify their targets. How
pathetic.
……..
are not candy azzes unidentified targets ?
Recon 0311 2533
June 26th, 2012
9:53 pm
Wow, we’re sure preoccupied with GLL, whoever that is, while hiding from the real people. I’ve seen the gutless before, so this is not the first time.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 26th, 2012
9:54 pm
Jay, perhaps we can all meet at a Starbucks to see those comments?
Have to watch ourselves in the parking lot. Never know what may be making a foray out there. 
Brosephus™
June 26th, 2012
9:55 pm
Jay
What about email???
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 26th, 2012
9:56 pm
barking frog:
Then why is Carter dissing Obama ??
Doggone/GA
June 26th, 2012
9:57 pm
looks like the flood insurance thing and Rand Paul is true!
barking frog
June 26th, 2012
9:58 pm
0311
Senility.
Mighty Righty
June 26th, 2012
9:58 pm
The weakest argument made on this site, almost on a daily basis, is the whining left that I and my political party have some moral obligation to support Barack Obama. I believe Barack Obama’s goal of “fundmentally changing” this country is marxist, socialist, and communist tried and proven failure. Opposition to Obama by the dumb downed left is viewed by some as un american. I view blind support of the anti capitalist, anti freedom, anit constitution Obama as un american. An example of this blind obedience is Hitler’s Germany. This world would have been much better off if there had been within the german borders anti Hitler opposition to Hitler and his policies. But the political left on this site, many of whom wanted our prior president to be impeached, would have us on the right to blindly agree to this president and conspire with him in what we believe is the distruction of our country. No. We will not do that. Further, while we admit the that president Obama inherited a difficult economy, we also believe that the further deterioration of this economy is the direct result of Obama’s policies of growing government through stifling new regulations, the increased cost to business of the socialist obamacare, wasted trillions of dollars on useless programs that were merely payoffs to his political donors, etc. We believe four more years of Obama will permanently damage what was once the gratest country in the history of the world. No we will not conrribute to the demise of this great country by cooperating with the stupidity of this administration
josef
June 26th, 2012
9:58 pm
JAY
Inquiring minds want to know! There are those times when I wish I DID have your job.
TaxPayer
June 26th, 2012
9:59 pm
Profanity precludes that option, Bro. Take my word for it, it’s entertaining.
Removal of said profanity would render it about as useful as Issa claimed one page of his redacted documentation that he requested looked like, eh. That GLL was a colorful character.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 26th, 2012<