Supremes overturn much of Arizona immigration law
Reading the Supreme Court’s decision largely overturning the Arizona immigration law, which served as the model for much of Georgia’s immigration law as well….
Court notes that “Removal is a civil matter, and one of its principal features is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials, who must decide whether to pursue removal at all.” That suggests President Obama was well within his constitutional powers with his mini-DREAM act order last week.
The majority opinion states:
“It is fundamental that foreign countries concerned about the status, safety, and security of their nationals in the United States must be able to confer and communicate on this subject with one national sovereign, not the 50 separate States….
Discretion in the enforcement of immigration law embraces immediate human concerns. Unauthorized workers trying to support their families, for example, likely pose less danger than alien smugglers or aliens who commit a serious crime. The equities of an individual case may turn on many factors, including whether the alien has children born in the United States, long ties to the community, or a record of distinguished military service.”
The Court tossed an Arizona provision making it a state crime to be in Arizona in violation of federal immigration law. It also threw out a provision making it illegal for an illegal immigrant to seek work in Arizona.
It also tossed Section 6 of the Arizona law, which as Justice Kennedy notes in his majority opinion “authorizes officers to arrest without a warrant a person ‘the officer has probable cause to believe . . . has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the United States,’” or in other words is here illegally.
“If the police stop someone based on nothing more than possible removability, the usual predicate for an arrest is absent,” Kennedy writes. “… This would allow the state to achieve its own immigration policy. The result could be unnecessary harassment
of some aliens (for instance, a veteran, college student, or someone assisting with a criminal investigation) whom federal officials determine should not be removed.”
The sole surviving section of the law requires state law enforcement to check the immigration status of everybody it takes into custody. And that part of the law may stand only for the time being. The justices want to see how that part of the law actually works in practice, but they made it clear that they are dubious that it will withstand future constitutional scrutiny.
For example, Kennedy notes the case of someone who is stopped for a jaywalking violation. If that person is detained in jail while his or her immigration status is checked — something that would not happen for a simple jaywalking case — such prolonged detention would violate the Constitution.
It was a 5-3 decision, with Justice Kagan recusing herself because she was involved in the case in her previous job as solicitor general. The three justices in the minority were Scalia, Thomas and Alito.
Scalia’s dissent is quite broad to the point of radical. He begins by complaining that the majority opinion “deprives States of what most would consider the defining characteristic of sovereignty: the power to exclude from the sovereign’s territory people who have no right to be there,” in effect endorsing the novel concept that states have a constitutional right to their own immigration policies independent of that of the federal government.
“Even in its international relations, the federal government must live with the inconvenient fact that it is a Union of independent states, who have their own sovereign powers,” Scalia writes.
Just as remarkably, Scalia takes the opportunity to attack Obama’s announcement last week that illegal immigrants brought here as children will not be deported, a topic not at issue in this case.
“The husbanding of scarce enforcement resources can hardly be the justification for this, since the considerable administrative cost of conducting as many as 1.4 million background checks, and ruling on the biennial requests for dispensation that the non-enforcement program envisions, will necessarily be deducted from immigration enforcement.”
Neither Thomas nor Alito embrace Scalia’s extremism in their own dissents.
– Jay Bookman
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ByteMe - Political thug
June 25th, 2012
11:16 am
but slam on a hard-working, law-abiding citizen like me because you don’t happen to agree with my opinions.
Wrap yourself in the flag while you’re at it. If you can’t defend your opinion without appeals to emotion, then maybe your opinion is flawed.
Oscar
June 25th, 2012
11:16 am
MISTY
“If you are born here…how do you prove you are a citizen of the United States to a police officer.”
_______
Show your driver’s license.
The Arizona law provides that if you have a valid driver’s license, that creates the presumption that you are a legal citizen.
getalife
June 25th, 2012
11:16 am
citizen united was upheld again.
Stonethrower
June 25th, 2012
11:17 am
I’m shocked! Thomas voted with Scalia!
They BOTH suck
June 25th, 2012
11:17 am
Birch
Quit your crying. It was you that said you hope Australia accepts you.
I just said have a safe trip.
You want to go, BYE BYE.
I don’t know you, why would I wasted anytime attempting to keep you here in the US if you wish to go to Australia.
As for your opinion, no one attempted to stop you from expressing it, you are just upset that some didn’t agree with your opinion and expressed their own.
Now take a deep breath. It will be ok
Madmax
June 25th, 2012
11:18 am
It’s great that the rights of foriegn nations are more important than the rights of our states. That sure clears up a whole bunch of things. Because I know Mexico has been deeply concerned about all of their 12+ million citizens living here. I bet they spent many a sleepless night worrying over them.
And it’s also good that they have cleared up all of the issues surrounding immigration laws. I believe if I interpret their ruling correctly, they have re-instituted the motto from the Statue of Liberty, “give me your tired, your poor ….” and said that if you can get here, then we don’t have a right to deport you if you abide by the rest of our laws, or have kids, or make ties with the community.
Oscar
June 25th, 2012
11:19 am
USMC @ 11:11
I’m sure many of the businesses owners that employ them are rejoicing in the streets
-____________________
It’s still illegal for an employer to hire an illegal. The employer has broken the criminal law.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 25th, 2012
11:19 am
KUTGF — “Uh oh, “As a general rule, it is not a crime for a removable alien to remain present in the United States.” pg 15″
I’ve been telling the cons here that for MONTHS, but they clearly don’t believe it.
Doggone/GA
June 25th, 2012
11:19 am
“United States passport”
And what if you don’t have one?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 25th, 2012
11:20 am
Just got a break to read this… Good news, but who would have figured? You would think that the Supreme Court was running for office…
Joseph
June 25th, 2012
11:20 am
They struck down 3 of 4 provisions and you call that a win. The one they did uphold was the one you libs were howling about… LOL…Police officers will still be able to check the immigration status of those they suspect may be in the country illegally.And thats the main thing Brewer wanted.
Brosephus™
June 25th, 2012
11:21 am
JHM
Some still won’t believe it.
They BOTH suck
June 25th, 2012
11:21 am
Oscar
I clearly know that, but it hasn’t stopped many employers from hiring illegals because they generally save money when hiring them vs a legal resident. The more that are here, the more options they have in terms of hiring.
Get it?
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 25th, 2012
11:22 am
Deport the tea party
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 25th, 2012
11:22 am
Ooo 5-3 decision
I assume jay will be equally judicious in his language if obamacare comes down to a 5-4 vote
Peadawg
June 25th, 2012
11:22 am
With most of the law being thrown out and Obama’s recent vote-buying scheme…he’s got the Latino vote in the bag come November.
Brosephus™
June 25th, 2012
11:22 am
“United States passport”
And what if you don’t have one?
It all depends on the age. Birth records are one means of proof. There’s other ways of finding out too.
USMC
June 25th, 2012
11:22 am
“It’s still illegal for an employer to hire an illegal. The employer has broken the criminal law.”
Laws don’t matter if they are not enforced.
josef
June 25th, 2012
11:23 am
Mysty
I am aware there is no such law, but you asked how. I have a passport, I don’t have a driver’s license. The point for me is that you can be an “undocumented” native the same as an “undocumented alien.” It’s best to be prepared for “papers please” in either case. The passport is the unimpeachable document for establishing citizenship.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 25th, 2012
11:23 am
John Birch — “What a country. Enter illegally and your entitled to free education, health care, and a job, and your kids are automatically citizens. I hope Australia will take th esame stance when I immigrate there.”
Don’t let the doorknob hitcha, Champ.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 25th, 2012
11:23 am
The Supreme Burrito’s have spoken…
ty webb
June 25th, 2012
11:23 am
Does this mean that Roberts has to turn in his “racist”/”bigot”/”xenophobe” card?
Illegals in Roswell
June 25th, 2012
11:24 am
Sure would be nice if the Federal Gov’t actually deported illegals. There are hundreds here in Roswell (documented by Police Chief’s story previously) and the Feds are doing NOTHING! This is just another blow to States’ Rights.
Georgia on my mind....
June 25th, 2012
11:24 am
…and for the heros in Georgia that thought that the law was a good idea for this state…what next?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kH_EZF0XqM&ob=av2e
stands for decibels
June 25th, 2012
11:24 am
You would think that the Supreme Court was running for office
…for Pete’s sake!
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 25th, 2012
11:25 am
Watch for the economic surge.
They BOTH suck
June 25th, 2012
11:25 am
Peadawg
And that would be different from most past elections, how?
You are stating something that was a given before Obama’s announcement and the SC decision, but do carry on with the talking points
stands for decibels
June 25th, 2012
11:26 am
Sure would be nice if the Federal Gov’t actually deported illegals.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/illegal-immigrants-deported-year-criminals/story?id=14758607#.T-iDMZEgvcx
USMC
June 25th, 2012
11:26 am
“Supremes overturn much of Arizona immigration law”
Mexico must be laughing their collective arses off!
“Gringos Tontitos! LOL!
stands for decibels
June 25th, 2012
11:27 am
Does this mean that Roberts has to turn in his “racist”/”bigot”/”xenophobe” card?
He’s a corporate skank first and foremost. He’ll never turn in that card.
Doggone/GA
June 25th, 2012
11:28 am
“It all depends on the age. Birth records are one means of proof. There’s other ways of finding out too”
Bro – actually, I do know that…I just wondered if Josef did! And there’s no doubt that if you care enough, and are willing to pay for it…ANY document can be faked. Even a passport.
Mighty Righty
June 25th, 2012
11:28 am
It is now clear that the solution to the meanng of Republic in our constitution must be upheld at the ballot box. Obama and his marxist Obamanism all powerful one man rule, Holder and his selective law enforcement, the few marists left in the house, and marxist lap dog Reid must all go this Novemeber in order to save what is left of government of the people, by the people and for the people.
USMC
June 25th, 2012
11:28 am
“He’s a corporate skank first and foremost. He’ll never turn in that card.”
-Says the angry little unaccomplished one on the blog.
josef
June 25th, 2012
11:28 am
Doggone
If you don’t have a passport, then get one. It’s not that hard and not that expensive.
BROSPEPUS
To your point on the birth certificate…yes, and you have to have one of those (or other proof as specified in the regs) to get a passport. The passport has a photo and says that the Department of State of the federal government of the United States of America says you are okey-dokey and don’t question it…
If you don’t want to go to that trouble, then take the fall out at the “papers please” line…
Paul
June 25th, 2012
11:28 am
So it’s not up to the states to decide what federal priorities should be and how to enforce those priorities.
Fine.
Ty webb – Peadawg
“…suggesting that Obama was well within executive powers with his mini-DREAM act order last week.”
That’s a bit of a leap there Jay.
From Jay’s lead: “Court notes that “Removal is a civil matter, and one of its principal features is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials, who must decide whether to pursue removal at all.”
The issue is the right of the Executive branch to decide how to enforce civil matters. That immigration officials have broad discretion in discharging their duties. That encompasses Pres Obama’s directive last week.
_________________________________________________
“Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote the majority opinion, joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer and Sonia Sotomayor.”
So Chief Justice Roberts wants the Court to not give support to those who seek polarization by having 5-4 rulings split along ideological divisions? The real test of that will be revealed Thursday. If Roberts sides with Ginsberg and Breyer again, we’ve got a whole new Court.
And a few apologies due, also.
They BOTH suck
June 25th, 2012
11:29 am
USMC
Your choice of ElMyr last night might have been an omen. Did you go with the PBR as well?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 25th, 2012
11:29 am
Gordon — “It was 5-3 (Scalia, Thomas, Alito dissenting) against the other 3 parts of the law”
A century or so ago, immigrants named Scalia and Alito would have been the “undesirables.”
Seems like there’s always some group or another that gets demogogued for political advantage. As Chris Rock says, “that train’s ALWAYS on time.”
Ahmir Haddad
June 25th, 2012
11:29 am
I wish Justice Kagan had enough character and integrity to recuse herself from ALL cases involving laws she helped write and plan legal strategies for when she was Solicitor General.
ty webb
June 25th, 2012
11:29 am
“He’s a corporate skank first and foremost. He’ll never turn in that card.”
ah, and here I thought that throwing the illegals a bone would’ve converted all of today’s football spikers…so he’s a hero and a heel…got it.
Joseph
June 25th, 2012
11:30 am
We can now proceed with Georgia’s law which will make it mandatory that during routine stops you immigration status will be checked…
Ben Shockley
June 25th, 2012
11:30 am
Libs hate it when the rich don’t pay taxes, but bring the illegals in for the same purpose and it’s all good!!!
LMAO!!!
Peadawg
June 25th, 2012
11:30 am
“You are stating something that was a given before Obama’s announcement and the SC decision”
True. The mini-amnesty ordeal was before the SC decision so yes, he probably had the Latino vote then. But now Obama can say “hey I stood up for you” while Romney was in favor of the Arizona law.
“but do carry on with the talking points”
I have never understood what a talking point is.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 25th, 2012
11:32 am
Joseph,
You are wrong again. The police can check status if people they have arrested for other crimes, but they cannot stop you for suspicion of being illegal and no other reason…
josef
June 25th, 2012
11:32 am
DOGGONE
“I just wondered if Josef did…”
Ouch! I’m such a dummy…thank you for educating me…
Silly woman, the original question was “how…” All I did was present one way…not the ONLY way…jeeze, Louise!
And ANY document can be forged…the passport is one of the most difficult to do in the run-of-the-mill…
Joe Hussein Mama
June 25th, 2012
11:32 am
Brosephus — “Given the idea that many people still assume that “illegal” equals Mexican and can’t tell the difference between Mexicans, Guatemalans, and Salvadorians, I doubt that those same people could ever grasp the concept that there are ways to quickly determine citizenship.”
Not to mention that some people still assume that “Hispanic” automatically means “illegal.” We have spoken of my wife’s challenges in this area before.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 25th, 2012
11:33 am
Even when the Supreme Ayatollahs say your wrong you Cons dont get it. Losers……Obama 2012
Ben Shockley
June 25th, 2012
11:33 am
“A century or so ago, immigrants named Scalia and Alito would have been the “undesirables.”
A century or so ago, there were no welfare freebies awaiting Scalia and Alito’s ancestors. They came here to work and make it on their own. And they went through proper procedures, were documented, and came here legally.
Lord Help Us
June 25th, 2012
11:33 am
‘.And thats the main thing Brewer wanted.’
Don’t think so…’reasonable suspicion’ of a law being broken did not need to be inserted in the AZ immigration bill. It was politically calculated and you swallowed…
They BOTH suck
June 25th, 2012
11:33 am
Paul @ 11:28
Not sure about the Thursday ruling, however I mentioned awhile back when Jay had a column about healthcare that Roberts would have some surprises over the years.
Overall I do think he will vote majority with the “right leaning” Justices, however I think he will be shaking it up from time to time. Again, not sure about Thursday, but I doubt he will be the “sure” vote that many on the right expect
Brosephus™
June 25th, 2012
11:33 am
The passport has a photo and says that the Department of State of the federal government of the United States of America says you are okey-dokey and don’t question it…
josef
That’s not necessarily a clean-cut given. That US Passport does guarantee a certain amount of rights. If you can’t prove that you are entitled to carry it, then you subject yourself to some serious consequences.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-06-14-puerto-rico-birth-certificates_N.htm
In an effort to end what it describes as a brisk black market in Puerto Rican birth certificates, which confer U.S. citizenship, the Puerto Rican government decided in December to invalidate all existing birth certificates. Those born on the island, including about 1.35 million who live on the mainland, must apply for a new birth certificate.
The black market is not fueled by counterfeiting but by multiple official copies of individual certificates. In Puerto Rico, it is customary to hand over an official birth certificate to register for school or sports leagues.
“We have filed away in unsecure locations tens of millions of live valid birth certificates,” says Kenneth McClintock, Puerto Rico’s secretary of State, who says he used to buy five birth certificates at a time for his children from the Vital Statistics Record Office. Although drastic, he says, the measure to invalidate millions of documents was necessary. “We can take care of the public school records, although it would be difficult. But what about your volleyball coach who died last week and left in her garage a cardboard box with 237 records of her past team members?”
stands for decibels
June 25th, 2012
11:34 am
I assume jay will be equally judicious in his language if obamacare comes down to a 5-4 vote
Jm, there was a time when 5-4 votes – either way – on very contentious decisions, were considered something of a failure on the part of a Chief Justice. I guess that’s just a quaint notion now.
But you, and others, might want to recall that (just to pick two very well known instances) Roe v. Wade was a 9-2 vote, and Brown v. Board of Ed was unanimous.
PJ
June 25th, 2012
11:34 am
A short history about Italian immigration:
“In United States, and other English-speaking countries to which they immigrated, such as Canada and Australia, the later Italian immigrants were often viewed as perpetual foreigners in a lower class, restricted to blue collar jobs. Their Catholicism, frequent lack of formal education, folkways and competition with earlier immigrants for lower paying jobs accounted for much of this prejudice. Ethnocentricism and racism exhibited by the earlier settlers toward the Italian immigrants, who appeared somewhat different than themselves, were also major factors – this being especially true in the racially stratified southern states.”
Scalia needs to know that at onetime his people were considered undesirables. Especially since his father was born in Sicily and his mother parents were also born in Italy. He’s 1st generation on his father’s side and second on his mother’s. Who’s to say they did all the right things upon arrival.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 25th, 2012
11:34 am
J. Birch — “slam on a hard-working, law-abiding citizen like me because you don’t happen to agree with my opinions”
Climb down off the cross, ya DRAMA QUEEN.
Latina and Legal
June 25th, 2012
11:35 am
Once again ignorance of law loses out to knowledge of the Constitution. Both Arizona and Georgia leaders need to do their homework and brush up on the Constitution. What a waste of taxpayers’ monies and Supreme Court time!
Lord Help Us
June 25th, 2012
11:35 am
‘We can now proceed with Georgia’s law which will make it mandatory that during routine stops you immigration status will be checked…’
Wrong again. Why are you against the constitution?
Doggone/GA
June 25th, 2012
11:35 am
“If you don’t have a passport, then get one. It’s not that hard and not that expensive”
Maybe not, but why should I spend ANY money on something I won’t ever need?
Ben Shockley
June 25th, 2012
11:36 am
Wouldn’t it be fun if all the people who support illegal immigration were forced to host a family of illegals in their home.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 25th, 2012
11:36 am
A century or so ago the brown man was here minding his own business, yoiu kniow the rest of the story…..Its awesome the way some people like to rewrite history… Loser
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 25th, 2012
11:36 am
About passports…I know a guy…
They BOTH suck
June 25th, 2012
11:37 am
Peadawg
NO. He was going to get the majority of Latino votes even before his announcement the other week.
Period, plain and simple.
Outside of the Cuban vote, as well as certain districts in several states, the Latino vote goes Democrat vast majority of time.
You can argue he may now get more of that vote, but he was going to get the majority regardless
josef
June 25th, 2012
11:38 am
BROSEPHUS
Of course, I defer to you there…
I’ve been following that Puerto Rico one…interesting, eh?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 25th, 2012
11:38 am
B. Shockley — “A century or so ago, there were no welfare freebies awaiting Scalia and Alito’s ancestors. They came here to work and make it on their own. And they went through proper procedures, were documented, and came here legally.”
And as usual, you completely missed the point that I made. Go back. Reread. Ask for help if you’re still not getting it.
Jay
June 25th, 2012
11:38 am
Updating now complete above, although I plan to have a later post exploring how this affects the Georgia law.
josef
June 25th, 2012
11:39 am
DOGGONE
Pragmatics. No other reason. Common sense.
Sarah Gee
June 25th, 2012
11:39 am
JAY
Lord Help Us
June 25th, 2012
11:40 am
‘Wouldn’t it be fun if all the people who support illegal immigration were forced to host a family of illegals in their home.’
Not exactly the same, but we brought a vietnamese family into our house in the early 70’s (and remain dear friends to this day). It was educational, fulfilling and culturally priceless…
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 25th, 2012
11:40 am
Ben Shockley
June 25th, 2012
11:36 am
Some of us do help out all we can….just saying…
Peadawg
June 25th, 2012
11:41 am
“NO. He was going to get the majority of Latino votes even before his announcement the other week.
Period, plain and simple.”
Chill dude. No need to scream w/ the caps when stating your opinion.
“Wouldn’t it be fun if all the people who support illegal immigration were forced to host a family of illegals in their home.”
That’s actually not a bad idea. Kind of like when they say people who are against abortion should adopt. People who are fine w/ illegals coming here to welcome them into their homes w/ open arms.
josef
June 25th, 2012
11:41 am
JAY
@ 11:38
Thanks and am looking forward to the exploration of the Georgia law…
Curious
June 25th, 2012
11:41 am
Anybody got an idea how many $ are paid to Social Security and Medicare by illegal immigrants that they have no chance of drawing?
Joseph
June 25th, 2012
11:42 am
Normal Free…Pro Human Rights Thug…And liking it!:
I didn’t say police could stop you if you look illegal. But if you’re walking funny going down the street and I perceive that you’re drunk and stop you I could certainly check your status… I guarantee that traffic violations and car accidents will certainly go down after this ruling. Illegals will drive straight and narrow.. lol…
Paul
June 25th, 2012
11:42 am
Haddad
“I wish Justice Kagan had enough character and integrity to recuse herself from ALL cases involving laws she helped write and plan legal strategies for when she was Solicitor General.”
In which cases has she not?
Ben Shockley
“A century or so ago, there were no welfare freebies awaiting Scalia and Alito’s ancestors. They came here to work and make it on their own. And they went through proper procedures, were documented, and came here legally.”
And before a century ago?
The ship docked, they got off and that was that.
But it does appear from your post your view of those who don’t follow the Ellis Island model do so only to get welfare.
BOTH suck
I’m hoping Thursday’s vote will be one of the ’shake if up’ votes.
And frankly, if that happens, I’m confident some Roberts critics will be the first to say ‘he surprised me, I’m revising my assessment and I’m glad to do so.”
stands for decibels
June 25th, 2012
11:42 am
Wouldn’t it be fun if all the people who support illegal immigration were forced to host a family of illegals in their home.
It’d be a lot more fun if conservatives were forced to go an entire day without using Ye Olde “y’all are hypocrites because you don’t personally do something you are ill-equipped to do, that you want a government agency tasked with actually doing that thing, to do” argument.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 25th, 2012
11:43 am
Mexicans are hard working God loving family first people. You ignorant obtuse cave dwellers should get out more.
Mexican Citizens Say...
June 25th, 2012
11:43 am
“This is wonderful news for our beloved country! God bless the US Supreme Court for its infinite wisdom.
Now, to all of our brethren in the US…keep those Western Union Money Orders rolling down Veracruz way!”
They BOTH suck
June 25th, 2012
11:43 am
“No need to scream w/ the caps when stating your opinion.”
Yours was an opinion. My statement that he was going to get the majority of Latino votes based on current polling and past elections is fact.
But I digress
James
June 25th, 2012
11:43 am
Im guessing Sheriff Joe out in Ariz will continue to enforce the
law his way with this ruling. The people in his district love him and
our Justice Dept just can’t prove he is doing anything wrong…
Feds need to do their job and enforce the laws of the land… till
them sos…..
Tyrone Shulaces
June 25th, 2012
11:43 am
“..on this subject with one national sovereign, not the 50 separate
States….” – responsible & correct
“..are..independent states, who have their own sovereign powers,”
Scalia writes. – the most petulant, unprofessional, out of date
dissent evah..really, those 3 are just a cartoon now
Also, Scalia has a 40+ year career sweep of decisions advocating
expansion of the Commerce clause. Will he, in one ACA decision be
a cynical hypocrite and make a joke out of a 50 year career, or will
he follow 50 years of HIS OWN pattern of decisions?
Brosephus™
June 25th, 2012
11:44 am
JHM
I can only imagine what your wife goes through at times.
————–
josef
That one was a big loophole closing right there. The one thing is, you can’t pass yourself off as a member of a particular group when being confronted by an actual member of said group. Those interactions are always quite amusing to witness.
jconservative
June 25th, 2012
11:45 am
Folks you can read the actual decision here:
supremecourt.gov
Click on Arizona v United States
ty webb
June 25th, 2012
11:45 am
“Anybody got an idea how many $ are paid to Social Security and Medicare by illegal immigrants that they have no chance of drawing?”
or how much of infrastructure(roads, highways, bridge), protection(fire/police), or education they “use” without ever paying for.
Doggone/GA
June 25th, 2012
11:45 am
“Pragmatics. No other reason. Common sense”
Ok, then they can give me one for free. I don’t see any reason to have to pay for one…when I don’t need it.
Oscar
June 25th, 2012
11:45 am
Scalia seems to believe that Georgia has the right to pass laws excluding people from certain other states from coming to Georgia. Alabama citizens for instance can be removed from the State of Georgia according to him.
They BOTH suck
June 25th, 2012
11:46 am
“Kind of like when they say people who are against abortion should adopt.”
Now that would be a novel idea……..
josef
June 25th, 2012
11:46 am
“Wouldn’t it be fun if all the people who support illegal immigration were forced to host a family of illegals in their home.”
I don’t do a papers check at my door, even if some of the new statutes seem to imply I should, and I’m pretty sure some of them may be illegals…do you check the documents of the folks waiting your table, frying your burgers, cleaning your hotel room etc.? If you don’t, then you’re complicent…
Peadawg
June 25th, 2012
11:46 am
“My statement that he was going to get the majority of Latino votes based on current polling and past elections is fact.”
And that is your opinion.
But seriously…I never said otherwise. I just used the term “in the bag” which is different then a simple majority.
Curious
June 25th, 2012
11:46 am
Ben Shockley
June 25th, 2012
11:36 am
Wouldn’t it be fun if all the people who support illegal immigration were forced to host a family of illegals in their home.
About as good as all the anti-abortion people adopting unwanted children.
Butch Cassidy
June 25th, 2012
11:46 am
Ben Shockley – “Wouldn’t it be fun if all the people who support illegal immigration were forced to host a family of illegals in their home.”
It would, almost as much fun as peole who want to eliminate unions for police and firemen be forced to watch their homes burn to the ground while being held hostage by armed intruders.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 25th, 2012
11:46 am
PJ — ““In United States, and other English-speaking countries to which they immigrated, such as Canada and Australia, the later Italian immigrants were often viewed as perpetual foreigners in a lower class, restricted to blue collar jobs. Their Catholicism, frequent lack of formal education, folkways and competition with earlier immigrants for lower paying jobs accounted for much of this prejudice. Ethnocentricism and racism exhibited by the earlier settlers toward the Italian immigrants, who appeared somewhat different than themselves, were also major factors – this being especially true in the racially stratified southern states.”
Exactly.
First the Scots and Irish were the “undesirables,” reflecting their largely lower-class status within the broader British society. A couple of generations later, it was freed slaves. Another generation or two, and it was Italians and Poles (and generally all Eastern Europeans). Today, it’s Hispanics.
There’s always *some* group or two that gets demogogued as a problem for broader American society. The Scots and Irish got dissed because they were poor, laboring sorts. The freed slaves because they were black. Italians and Poles because of their funny food, weird languages and that Papist religion of theirs. And Hispanics today? Well, hell, they’s all ILLEGAL. Even the ones what was BORN here, right?
Our conservative friends and associates can shout all they want about being in favor of *legal* immigration. However, I will *never* believe them unless and until they start talking about common-sense methods to identify who’s here legally and who isn’t, and unless and until they stop presuming that anyone with a Hispanic surname needs to be pulled over and have his or her papers checked.
Paul
June 25th, 2012
11:46 am
Ben Shockley
“Wouldn’t it be fun if all the people who support illegal immigration were forced to host a family of illegals in their home.”
Time to invoke Kamchak’s Observation: “If we’re gonna make sh*t up, no sense in being h@lf-@ssed about it.”
Care to name, specifically, a blogger here who’s said they support illegal immigration?
Jefferson
June 25th, 2012
11:47 am
Romney can’t win without minority support.
Ben Shockley
June 25th, 2012
11:47 am
“Anybody got an idea how many $ are paid to Social Security and Medicare by illegal immigrants that they have no chance of drawing?”
Any idea how many $$$ in medical bills are run up by illegals at emergency rooms that they have no intention of paying?
carlosgvv
June 25th, 2012
11:47 am
So the Court says it’s up to the Feds to enforce immigration. Well, let’s. Politicians,including the President are almost wholly dependent on Big Business for their election and re-election funding. Business loves illegals because the’re cheap and can be paid in cash. Also, Business dosen’t have to worry about those pesky things like health insurance and Social Security. Lawmakers, never one to shy away from big money, look the other way while illegals keep pouring into our Country. The result of this is, from Business and politicians, power and profit above all and to hell with the American workers.
Joseph
June 25th, 2012
11:47 am
I need to ask a huge favor for all you liberal loons. Please write, call, or email the DNC and tell them to please not get rid of Debbie Downer… She’s the gift that keeps on giving… She’s taken the place of Pelosi as the Queen Moonbat…
http://shark-tank.net/2012/06/24/dnc-chairwoman-wasserman-schultz-getting-booted/
Doggone/GA
June 25th, 2012
11:48 am
“So the Court says it’s up to the Feds to enforce immigration”
Nope. It’s the Constitution that says that. The Court just affirmed it.
Ben Shockley
June 25th, 2012
11:48 am
“Care to name, specifically, a blogger here who’s said they support illegal immigration?”
LMAO!!! You libs are doing the Snoopy Happy Dance over a SCOTUS decision that guarantees illegal immigration will continue unabated!
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 25th, 2012
11:48 am
Joseph,
They named a cookie after you…
Paulo977
June 25th, 2012
11:49 am
Lord Help Us
Not exactly the same, but we brought a vietnamese family into our house in the early 70’s (and remain dear friends to this day). It was educational, fulfilling and culturally priceless
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For all those ” alleged Christians” , this was straight from The Sermon on the Mount!!!
Great response!!!
They BOTH suck
June 25th, 2012
11:49 am
josef @ 11:46
Ain’t that the truth. Many like Ben want the “benefits” from the illegals but none of the “costs”………
Ben Shockley
June 25th, 2012
11:49 am
“Time to invoke Kamchak’s Observation”
Paul, there’s your sign…