Scalia plays politician; Romney plays possum

In another sign of just how screwy things have gotten, Mitt Romney, the GOP nominee for president, steadfastly refuses to get involved in the political debate about immigration. He refuses to offer his own ideas about a national immigration strategy*, and he won’t voice an opinion on President Obama’s controversial decision not to deport illegal aliens who were brought here as young children.

But worry not: A supposedly nonpolitical Supreme Court justice, Antonin Scalia, is eager to jump into the political fray where Romney is too meek to tread. In his radical dissent to today’s ruling on the Arizona immigration law, Scalia argues that Arizona and the other 49 states have the right to exercise “what most would consider the defining characteristic of sovereignty: the power to exclude from the sovereign’s territory people who have no right to be there.”

“Even in its international relations, the federal government must live with the inconvenient fact that it is a Union of independent states, who have their own sover­eign powers,” Scalia writes.

Just as remarkably, Scalia used his dissent to lambaste Obama’s decision regarding children of illegal immigrants, slyly referring to “the Executive’s unwise targeting” of available resources to combat illegal immigration.

“The husbanding of scarce enforcement resources can hardly be the justification for this, since the considerable administrative cost of conduct­ing as many as 1.4 million background checks, and ruling on the biennial requests for dispensation that the non-enforcement program envisions, will necessarily be deducted from immigration enforcement,” Scalia complained.

Scalia plays politician; Romney plays possum.

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*Note: Here’s the official Romney response to today’s ruling:

“Today’s decision underscores the need for a president who will lead on this critical issue and work in a bipartisan fashion to pursue a national immigration strategy. President Obama has failed to provide any leadership on immigration. This represents yet another broken promise by this president. I believe that each state has the duty — and the right — to secure our borders and preserve the rule of law, particularly when the federal government has failed to meet its responsibilities. As Candidate Obama, he promised to present an immigration plan during his first year in office. But four years later, we are still waiting.”

– Jay Bookman

726 comments Add your comment

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 25th, 2012
2:03 pm

Exactly where did Romney leave his gonards? On a curb someplace in Oshkosh?

Perhaps 5 years of campaigning is getting to Romney?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 25th, 2012
2:04 pm

Well I am certain we will hear the cries of judicial activism from the right.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 25th, 2012
2:05 pm

Republican leadership— flip, flop, cower and be afraid

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 25th, 2012
2:07 pm

Somebody send Cheesy Grits another instruction manual for his Etch-a-Sketch. I believe he misplaced them with his privates.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 25th, 2012
2:07 pm

Romney is letting Obama do what he does best (recently): fail

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 25th, 2012
2:08 pm

Geez, could Romney be a bigger wimp?

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 25th, 2012
2:08 pm

Good majority decision. I look forward to the hood majority decision on obamacare on Thursday.

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
2:09 pm

Jm

You are going to be solemn man

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 25th, 2012
2:10 pm

Mitt Romney is truly the “Man Of The People”. He will be anything, say anything, and do anything that he thinks will get your vote. He has changed opinions so many times that it can be truthfully said he has no opinion at all. The man is a moral coward.

the cat

June 25th, 2012
2:10 pm

Can’t wait for the debates. Rommey will not be able to duck and hide and blubber.

Immigration Law for the State of Georgia

June 25th, 2012
2:10 pm

Georgia followed Arizona’s lead and wasted the taxpayers money again. They tried with the Birther situation, Immigration Law and also the Healthcare Law. When will it end Georgia Legislature. Jim Crow days are over!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8IqkRbxcTA

East Lake Ira

June 25th, 2012
2:11 pm

Romney lies with such ease these days, I’m surprised he doesn’t just say what the cretins want to hear and then deny it tomorrow.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 25th, 2012
2:12 pm

Possums everywhere are really insulted by the comparison.

Mr. Snarky

June 25th, 2012
2:13 pm

Here’s hoping Alabama issues its own currency!

Newt Gingrich challenges Mitt Romney on immigration

June 25th, 2012
2:14 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
2:14 pm

M. Romney, via Jay — “I believe that each state has the duty — and the right — to secure our borders and preserve the rule of law, particularly when the federal government has failed to meet its responsibilities.”

What a shame that the SCOTUS says you’re wrong, Mr. Romney. Enjoy your real-world rebuke.

Doggone/GA

June 25th, 2012
2:15 pm

“I believe that each state has the duty — and the right — to secure our borders ”

“Our” borders? Shouldn’t that be THEIR borders…or is Romney now advocating that states can enforce the border laws in other states too?

Mark in mid-town

June 25th, 2012
2:15 pm

jay, are you saying that Romney engaged in the equivalent of voting “present”? Why when Romney does it does that all of a sudden bother you?

stands for decibels

June 25th, 2012
2:16 pm

is Romney now advocating that states can enforce the border laws in other states too?

dunno–how does that question poll in Ohio?

Verbal Kint

June 25th, 2012
2:16 pm

Romney’s response is Obama is lame. Yep. Pretty much.

LUCIFER

June 25th, 2012
2:17 pm

No, no, Romney has a plan to reduce illegal immigration in our country. Quite naturally, illegal immigrants will suddenly realize the errors of their ways, pack up their kids and move back to where they came from, and then reapply for legal U.S. entry. His plan at self-deportation sounds honest and reasonable right? Hey wait — I can hear the illegal masses now marching back across the border.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
2:18 pm

Mr. Snarky — “Here’s hoping Alabama issues its own currency!”

10 wood chips = moon pie wrapper

10 moon pie wrappers = co-coler bottle cap

10 co-coler bottle caps = used ticket stub to Bama home game

10 used ticket stubs to Bama home games = 1 Dixieland Doller

:D

Road Scholar

June 25th, 2012
2:18 pm

Mitt:Sen. McConnell is still waiting for you to tell him what to say in regards to immigration. (Crickets chirping) He was sure you had a position. (Crickets chirping)

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
2:18 pm

Willard the Spineless.

If he gets 25% of the Latino vote, I’ll be surprised.

Gawd knows he doesn’t deserve that much…

A new survey found that an overwhelming majority of Latino voters believe the Republican Party is “hostile” toward them and is alienating them.

The impreMedia/Latino Decisions survey also found that not even a potential nomination of Latino Sen. Marco Rubio as vice president could do much to change their sentiments.

Another key finding of the survey is that Latinos are turned off by Republican’s support for tougher immigration enforcement over the creation of a path to citizenship.

“Over the last five years, a lot of Latinos have been upset and moving away from the [Republican] party because of the hard stance on immigration,” said Matt Barreto, Principal Pollster for Latino Decisions. “So the Republican Party has a lot of work to do.”

A total of 500 registered Latino voters were included in the poll. It found that Latinos persistently lean toward President Obama and Democratic candidates, with 46% of them saying that Republicans “don’t care too much” about Latinos. Almost a third, 27%, said Republicans “are being hostile.”

The survey is also the first to examine Sen. Rubio’s favorability with Latino voters from across the nation. If Rubio were to be nominated by Republicans as vice president only 13% of respondents said they would be “much more likely” to vote for the GOP. Almost half of the respondents, 46 %, said it would “have no effect” on their decision.

As a voting bloc, up to 22 million Latinos are expected to be eligible to vote in 2012, Latinos will play no small role in the outcome of next year’s elections. The winner in swing states with large Latino populations like Florida, Nevada, Colorado, and even Virginia could very well be determined by the Latino vote. These are all states won by President Obama in 2008.

http://www.newstaco.com/2011/12/15/poll-shows-the-gop-seen-as-hostile-by-latino-voters/

HDB

June 25th, 2012
2:19 pm

Romney is doing more than playing possom…..he doesn’t want to get challenged so that the nation can REALLY see what he’s about!!

Republicans Spurn NABJ Convention

The Republican National Committee and the putative GOP standard-bearer, Mitt Romney, have ceded the National Association of Black Journalists convention to the Democrats, rejecting invitations to send speakers or panelists that the Democrats eagerly accepted.

Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. addressed the convention Wednesday on its opening night, delivering his campaign’s talking points. A Friday afternoon session, “A Working Journalist’s Guide: Obama Administration Insiders You Need to Know,” featured four press contacts in the Obama administration. Additionally, at least three representatives from the Obama reelection campaign were available to discuss the state of the campaign, also on Friday afternoon.

“We reached out consistently and vigorously to the Romney campaign asking that he appear,” Sonya Ross, a Washington editor at the Associated Press who chairs the NABJ’s Political Journalism Task Force, told Journal-isms.

“We also made overtures to the Republican National Committee. We wanted to make sure we reached both political parties to ask them to participate. The DNC,” she said, referring to the Democratic National Committee, “came to us and asked us, ‘Can we be there?’ . . . We got no such overtures from the Republican National Committee.

“If the Republican National Committee wants to come tonight or Saturday or Sunday, we would love to see them.”

http://www.theroot.com/blogs/national-association-black-journalists/republicans-spurn-nabj-convention?wpisrc=root_more_news

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 25th, 2012
2:19 pm

Mark in Midtown

Voting Present? That old canard.

I think it’s safe to say you know absolutely nothing about the senate rules in IL….

Mr. Silly Pants

Oscar

June 25th, 2012
2:20 pm

Sover­eign states. Did someone just change the clock back to 1835?

East Lake Ira

June 25th, 2012
2:20 pm

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
2:20 pm

Scalia is interviewing for Romney’s running mate.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 25th, 2012
2:21 pm

Actually

Romney is doing more of a ……

“OBL determined to attack” “ignore the problem” thing…..

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 25th, 2012
2:21 pm

Romney and the Conservative plan is to make the economy much much worse – so the Hispanics (and most everyone else) will leave to find work elsewhere.

Oscar

June 25th, 2012
2:24 pm

If you liked bush as President, you will love Romney. Same tent, same people on the cabinet. Same chorus, cifferent verse.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 25th, 2012
2:24 pm

Tbs 2:09 – not really. I can see it both ways. Whatever they decide is fine by me.

Gordon

June 25th, 2012
2:24 pm

Romney is wrong about states having the right to enforce immigration laws, but his is right about Obama not providing leadership in this area. Obama’s obvious pandering won’t fool very many people who weren’t going to vote for him anyway.

stands for decibels

June 25th, 2012
2:24 pm

Scalia is interviewing for Romney’s running mate.

Willard/Vaff@nculo. I like the sound of that.

Curious

June 25th, 2012
2:26 pm

Nobody answered my question.

Is Romney more like the snake oil salesman in “The Outlaw Josy Wales” or Reverend Ike?

Adam

June 25th, 2012
2:26 pm

Butch Cassidy

June 25th, 2012
2:26 pm

“I believe that each state has the duty — and the right — to secure our borders and preserve the rule of law, particularly when the federal government has failed to meet its responsibilities.”

So now Romney feels that he is above the SCOTUS? That’s going to be problematic when he accuses Obama of being above the SCOTUS isn’t it?

Oscar

June 25th, 2012
2:28 pm

Curious

June 25th, 2012
2:26 pm

_

I vote snake oil salesman.

Butch Cassidy

June 25th, 2012
2:29 pm

“Borders are people my friend”

M. Romney

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
2:29 pm

SfD — “Willard/Vaff@nculo. I like the sound of that.”

Hmm. I know that at least one President sat on the SCOTUS after his term in office was over (Taft), but I’m not aware of any Justices who left office and then later served in the Legislative or Executive sides of the house.

stands for decibels

June 25th, 2012
2:30 pm

Did someone say playing possum?

hey, any excuse to give that one another look…

http://carlysimonalbumcovers.blogspot.com/2011/05/playing-possum-1975.html

ragnar danneskjold

June 25th, 2012
2:30 pm

Strange essay. Is the Supreme Court “activist” because it overruled a portion of a law duly enacted by a large majority, or is it protecting the individual from the power of government? Arizona foreshadows ObamaCare.

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
2:31 pm

Is Romney more like the snake oil salesman in “The Outlaw Josy Wales” or Reverend Ike?

Perhaps more like the bible salesman played by John Goodman in O Brother, Where Art Thou.

Dekalb comments

June 25th, 2012
2:32 pm

Scalia must be impeached and removed!!!

Justice Scalia should NEVER comment or include in an official opinion of the Court, any matter that was not brought before it by the plaintiffs or argued by the defendants. His political view on a recent decision by the President, absent having that matter be presented before the Court as a case under review is not consistent with Court history or protocol.

Time for the grease monkey to slink off to some retirement community. What a waste of a seat on the Court.

Doggone/GA

June 25th, 2012
2:32 pm

“Scalia is interviewing for Romney’s running mate”

I wish that was true…then he’d have to resign from the court

Doggone/GA

June 25th, 2012
2:33 pm

“but his is right about Obama not providing leadership in this area”

and nevermind that deportations are way UP under this admin. Doesn’t mean a thing.

stands for decibels

June 25th, 2012
2:34 pm

Time for the grease monkey to slink off to some retirement community.

um…

that’s not helpful.

Curious

June 25th, 2012
2:34 pm

Romney is not as physically violent as John Goodman was in that movie, otherwise the same MO.

Bruno

June 25th, 2012
2:34 pm

Don’t know about y’all, but there’s only one SCOTUS decision that I’m concerned with right now: The (un)Constitutionality of using the Interstate Commerce Clause to force citizens to purchase a for-profit product. Unless this obvious misuse of the Commerce Clause is struck down, it will be “Anything Goes” moving forward. Based upon the Kelo vs. New London case, it’s obvious to me how the Lib justices feel about the matter.

Tundra Dude

June 25th, 2012
2:35 pm

The Cayman Islands rep wrote:

“Today’s decision underscores the need for a president who will lead on this critical issue and work in a bipartisan fashion to pursue a national immigration strategy.

Pray tell, sir, do you have anyone in mind….??

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
2:36 pm

D. Comments — “Justice Scalia should NEVER comment or include in an official opinion of the Court, any matter that was not brought before it by the plaintiffs or argued by the defendants. His political view on a recent decision by the President, absent having that matter be presented before the Court as a case under review is not consistent with Court history or protocol.”

I give Scalia points for recusing himself in the Newdow case, but IMO he should have recused himself from Cheney v. DC (regarding the secret energy panels).

How will Georgia pay for Immigration Law?

June 25th, 2012
2:36 pm

ATLANTA —

Opponents of the immigration law, known as House Bill 87, say it will cost too much for cities and counties to carry out. In particular, they say communities could be stuck with low-level illegal alien defendants who are not a priority for federal immigration officials.A federal program might not cover the full costs of Georgia’s new immigration law. When Gov. Nathan Deal signed the bill into law this month, he said a U.S. Department of Homeland Security program called 287 g could help pick up the tab.

Responding to a question from a reporter at the bill-signing ceremony, Deal said, “One of the areas that this bill addresses is something we have encouraged for some time and that is for local communities to be a part of the federal 287(g) program.”

He continued, “There are some financial incentives for that and I would encourage the Department of Homeland Security to approve those applications for some of our counties who want to participate in that program but have not received approval at this point.”

The program is a partnership between the federal government and local police departments. Homeland Security trains officers to enforce immigration laws.

A handful of communities in Georgia already participate in the program.

Brittany Nystrom is an immigration lawyer. She’s studied the 287(g) program and she says local communities will foot most of the cost of enforcing the law.

http://www.gpb.org/news/2011/05/26/who-will-pay-for-new-immigration-law#

Peadawg

June 25th, 2012
2:37 pm

“Romney plays possum.”

I can’t think of another ‘p’ word that isn’t appropriate for this blog.

East Lake Ira

June 25th, 2012
2:37 pm

Bruno,

Based on you affinity for Kelo, is it correct to assume you don’t believe in the taking of personal property for businesses use and that you therefore are against Keystone?

I hope so…

Peadawg

June 25th, 2012
2:37 pm

**can think**

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 25th, 2012
2:38 pm

Will jay criticize the dissenters in obamacare as “politicians”

Probably not

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
2:38 pm

Peadawg — “I can’t think of another ‘p’ word that isn’t appropriate for this blog.”

Oh, come now.

8*

Soothsayer

June 25th, 2012
2:39 pm

Oscar

June 25th, 2012
2:39 pm

ragnar danneskjold

June 25th, 2012
2:30 pm
_____

Since the 1960’s at least, conservatives have defined activist courts as those overturning laws passed by congress, and urged judicial restraint, which they define as deferring to the actions of congress in passing laws presumedly favored by a majority of the people.
So by that definition, this court is an activist court which failed to exercise judicial restraint and the legislated from the bench.

GT

June 25th, 2012
2:42 pm

It is all smoke and mirrors with Romney. And who is running anyway? I am getting a lot of Tim Pawlenty everywhere I look but no Romney. Now we are getting Antonin Scalia a Supreme Court judge to do his dirty work. Pawlenty and Scallia taking cheap shots at Obama yet Romney is too busy to deal with communicating a vision of America. Scallia who is in the middle of the historic session of his career and the court’s has all this time but not Romney. No plan, just vague smoke drifting from his mouth. The debates will split this thing wide open, and probably the Republicans put Pawlenty up there too, which I wish they would. Pawlenty has mastered the not take a breath, smirk and lie routine and journalist give way. Only in a debate when they call the pope, Jewish, and John Wayne a Nazi will some one have the courage or the character to shut this down. For now the press and local press are getting rich off the attention, so why put cold water on the obvious. I am just so glad they can’t buy the court, our last hope for pure justice.

D

June 25th, 2012
2:42 pm

shame on Romney for making such statements. where does he get off saying states should “secure our borders and enforce the rule of law”. Crazy talk.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
2:42 pm

Bruno: It was already anything goes. Wickard v Filburn. And if we’re reversing that one, we reverse Social Security, Medicare, and damn near every federal government program that went to the Supreme Court in a challenge that Wickard v Filburn was used as precedent for.

Boris Badnoff

June 25th, 2012
2:44 pm

Spin. Spin. Spin. Who to believe? Bookman or across the pond?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2164449/Blow-Obama-Supreme-Court-upholds-controversial-portion-Arizona-immigration-law.html#ixzz1yotq4CMq

Remember all you brides. Give your wedding presents to Our Beloved Messiah. Reports are the sea levels on the east coast are rising. Only he can bring them down. What do you need a toaster for anyway? Global Warming will burn the bread for you.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
2:44 pm

Today’s decision underscores the need for a president who will lead on this critical issue and work in a bipartisan fashion to pursue a national immigration strategy. President Obama has failed to provide any leadership on immigration.

Lawl.

The more you guys keep saying Obama has failed on things he obviously hasn’t failed on, the more you make yourselves look bad.

stands for decibels

June 25th, 2012
2:44 pm

Can you say “procrastinator” on this blog? is that allowed?

Oscar

June 25th, 2012
2:44 pm

D

June 25th, 2012
2:42 pm

______

That is the kind of talk people use who know nothing about out constitution, our government or out court system Not the kind of man we need in the white house.

yuzeyurbrane

June 25th, 2012
2:44 pm

If I were Scalia I would not drive through Arizona, Georgia, Alabama, etc. After all, he is kind of swarthy complexioned with one of those funny foreign sounding names which might cause the local sheriff to ask for “papers please”. And he better have his long form birth certificate on his person!

weetamoe

June 25th, 2012
2:44 pm

There is no need for Romney to respond. Republicans are wise to avoid being set up. Obama’s main tactic has been to tell various groups he courts how much republicans dislike them. Jay does not make clear the context of Scalia’s remarks. Did he stand on the steps of the courthouse or phone Limbaugh or is Jay just repeating what Scalia said in his dissent? When Obama’s secret service guards confiscated the forks from 1000 latinos did they put the tableware on ebay to fatten up his campaign war chest? Do Macy’s and Pottery Barn have Obama donations listed on their wedding gift registry sites? Much as I hate to admit, I think the court’s decision on Obamacare will be stet. So let your celebration begin.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
2:45 pm

By the way, if you haven’t voted for Obama and never intended to, stop pretending you care about what promises he kept or broke.

Doggone/GA

June 25th, 2012
2:45 pm

“The more you guys keep saying Obama has failed on things he obviously hasn’t failed on, the more you make yourselves look bad.”

Well, you see…here’s the problem: they obviously prefer someone who talks that talk, to someone who walks the walk.

Peadawg

June 25th, 2012
2:45 pm

” As Candidate Obama, he promised to present an immigration plan during his first year in office. But four years later, we are still waiting.”

Didn’t he introduce the DREAM Act?

Paul

June 25th, 2012
2:47 pm

Romney is following what is basically a decent strategy for a general election: keep the focus on your opponent. Attack, attack, attack. Do not get diverted from making it all about the opponent. Do not, do not, do not, get drawn into anything that will divert from the main issue of the economy, for that is greatest area for exploitation and success.

If Romney were to put forth anything on immigration, air time would be devoted to Democratic talking heads attacking Romney and using it to question other decisions he’d make as president. He’d also be open to attacks from farfarRight Republicans, leading to even more air time about “is Romney losing his base?” “and “are Republicans abandoning Romney?”

Pres Obama’s team may not like it, but it’s a sound political strategy. Romney is not so much selling himself as he is selling the idea Pres Obama did not get the results the people expected.

It’s a quick campaign. Minimize defense, keep pushing offense.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
2:47 pm

Didn’t he introduce the DREAM Act?

See what I mean? The skeptical among us aren’t buying this kind of bullsh*t.

Thank you for pointing this particularly inconsistency out yet again Peadawg.

Halftrack

June 25th, 2012
2:47 pm

Judge Scalia is correct. Where the Liberals don’t like it, the “rights” that are not granted to the Federal government are retained by the several States; as per the Constitution. Where the Federal government abandons its duty and responsibility the States have the right and obligation to protect its citizens. Also a moral thought: it is not right for aliens to come to your house and take the sustenance of your children. We wouldn’t have to discuss this if our government found a good solution and had been accountable all along but the problem is too much of a political advantage for those in power.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
2:49 pm

Halftrack: So where do you stand on the state’s right to limit campaign contributions in state elections? Because SCOTUS says they have no right to do that.

Paul

June 25th, 2012
2:50 pm

Oh, and on Scalia: law school professors will undoubtedly hate him, as they will have to come up with new lesson plans to fill the hours previously devoted to discussing the question “Do justices decide cases based upon their ideology and then construct a legal justification to support it?”

Bruno

June 25th, 2012
2:50 pm

Based on you affinity for Kelo, is it correct to assume you don’t believe in the taking of personal property for businesses use and that you therefore are against Keystone?

Good question, but I’m not sure if the Keystone case is equivalent to the Kelo case, in which people’s homes were taken and turned over to a local developer. The original intent of eminent domain laws was to make available land for “public use”. This language was rewritten as “public good” by the Lib justices. Very subtle, but highly important distinction.

JPP

June 25th, 2012
2:50 pm

While I don’t agree with anything Romney says, he knows that he has at least 45 – 47% of the vote in the bag no matter what he says. He’s banking on the notion that the electorate will be so fed up with Obama that they just want an alternative. And that strategy might work.

stands for decibels

June 25th, 2012
2:50 pm

So where do you stand on the state’s right to limit campaign contributions in state elections?

…to say nothing of a city’s, or a district’s, right to regulate personal handgun ownership?

A dad

June 25th, 2012
2:51 pm

Dekalb comments: your “grease monkey” re Justice Antonin Scalia is deplorable. I can only imagine the diatribes and vitriol I would endure on this blog if I referred to Obama as a “porch monkey” or some other racially-based derogatory comment. Disagree with Scalia is you must (obviously you, with your readily apparent superior legal education and knowledge, are not a strict constructionalist as is Justice Scalia), but let’s leave the racially-based insults at home shall we?

Oscar

June 25th, 2012
2:51 pm

Where the Federal government abandons its duty and responsibility the States have the right and obligation to protect its citizens

_________

Where in the constitution or court decision did you find this little jewel of a thought. Dangerous thinking to make stuff up and post it. That’s not law, that’s anarchy.

Oscar

June 25th, 2012
2:53 pm

Do justices decide cases based upon their ideology and then construct a legal justification to support it?”

-___________________

Well, that’s what most judges really do, but no one really talks about it to much. It’s like the elephant in the room.

Erwin's cat

June 25th, 2012
2:53 pm

Obama’s plan is temporary, short sighted and merely vote pandering…and it’ll probably work…

Romeny is right that a comprehensive national immigration strategy is what is needed, but I don’t see that happening either since it requires bipartisan cooperation

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 25th, 2012
2:54 pm

Well, I’ve met alot of possums in my time. A few will stand and fight. Most will just roll over and play dead. I think saying Romney plays possum gives a whole bunch of good possums a bad name. Bookman ought to be ashamed of hisself. I say let’s stand up for possums everywhere.

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
2:54 pm

Paul @ 2:47

Great point

A dad

June 25th, 2012
2:54 pm

Paul – actually a lot of law professors do not teach black letter law, but rahter, try to infect and brainwash you with their personal view. Case in point, I had a criminal law prof who, for an 1:15 class, spend about 10-15 minutes discussion the actual holding and applicable law (you know, that silly little thing which an attorney would actually rely upon to represent a client) and the remaingin hour plus telling us why Brennan and Marshall (probably the two most notroiously liberal Justices in the history of the court) were “right”, notwithstanding the fact the decisions were usually 7-2.

Peadawg

June 25th, 2012
2:55 pm

“By the way, if you haven’t voted for Obama and never intended to, stop pretending you care about what promises he kept or broke.”

So only people who have/will vote for Obama can have an opinion and care about what he does?

:roll:

Bro, facepalm?

Bruno

June 25th, 2012
2:56 pm

Bruno: It was already anything goes. Wickard v Filburn.

Not exactly so, Adam. Wicard vs Filburn only established that you can’t set up a private market on your own. The insurance mandate goes far beyond that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

Sean

June 25th, 2012
2:56 pm

I find that it is a little scary that a Supreme Court Judge is acting so publicly like a politician. yes there are going to be cons and libs on the bench, but to his actions almost make it hard to believe he is even remotely interested in hearing the arguments being presented before him.

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
2:57 pm

Peadawg @ 2:55

Agreed

GT

June 25th, 2012
2:57 pm

You are like Cinderella’s step sisters. “You promised to have that floor clean!” the whole time spilling new stuff on it to make it harder for her to clean. The Republicans blocked the passage then make Obama look like the guilty party. Do you think for one moment your actions in that thing yall called a debate did not registered on the immigrate vote in this country? You are like a guy that slaps his wife and then pretends he didn’t do it only to repeat the violence later on.

Soothsayer

June 25th, 2012
2:58 pm

“Just wanted you all here to know that SoothSayer has lately taken to insulting my GF on the blog, using sexual language.”

WTF are you talking about? What have I ever posted that has insulted your GF with sexual language or otherwise?

Ol' Timer

June 25th, 2012
2:58 pm

You guys are misreading Romney when you say he’s spineless. He’ll gladly pander to the right wing by sending our young people into harms way in another unwinnable middle-eastern conflict. Chickenhawks like to show their courage by getting others to die for their country.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
2:58 pm

“Scalia plays politician; Romney plays possum.”

And Jay plays propagandist (once again).

At least Scalia does not allude to “Penumbras and emanations” in the Constitution. But I guess Jay prefers that kind of interpretation and judgement.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 25th, 2012
2:59 pm

The dream act is not sn immigration plan

Dekalb comments

June 25th, 2012
3:00 pm

@ Halftrack 2:47 p.m.

Please provide the Constitutional basis for your statement that where the federal government abandons its duty, the states can step in. They did not cover that provision in my ConLaw class in law school but I’m sure you are much more informed.

Article I, Section 8 says grants to Congress the power “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization’. That power has historically been recognized as including the establishment of policies regarding immigration and naturalization.

The Roberts Court today, a very conservative court, said that the executive branch still has broad discretion in the implementation of such laws because they touch on our humanity.

I also suggest you do some research on the net economic BENEFIT to our nation from our undocumented visitors. Study after study has shown that in the aggregate there is a net economic benefit from their presence.

Personally I see that as a way to deflate wages and benefits for Americans and should not be tolerated but even given the benefits they may or may not exact from public programs, the economy benefits from their presence.

Soothsayer

June 25th, 2012
3:01 pm

Not only that, but I am relatively certain that I have never called you a POS.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:02 pm

“Well, that’s what most judges really do, but no one really talks about it to much. It’s like the elephant in the room.”

I suspect there is a lot of truth in that, Oscar.

Erwin's cat

June 25th, 2012
3:02 pm

“Didn’t he introduce the DREAM Act?”

No…the Dream Act was introduced in 2001 by Durbin and Hatch…several versions have come and gone since….reintroduce it maybe, but it still falls far short of the original

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 25th, 2012
3:03 pm

Bruno – not a fan of sooth am I, he’s a kook

Peadawg 2:55 – I second tbs, good call. Adam is full of nuggets of wisdom. Those nuggets tend to make good fertilizer.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:03 pm

“Well, I’ve met alot of possums in my time.”

Too bad you haven’t met many satirists.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

June 25th, 2012
3:03 pm

Mark in Midtown

Voting Present? That old canard.

I think it’s safe to say you know absolutely nothing about the senate rules in IL….

Mr. Silly Pants

HEY GRANNY…….. HE’S TALKING ABOUT THE U.S. SENATE………. NOT ILLINOIS

THE MIND IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE

Dekalb comments

June 25th, 2012
3:03 pm

@ A dad 2:51

You reveal your racial orientation with your post. A grease monkey is a term used for someone who tinkers with mechanics, the ordered design of a machine. I suggest Scalia is tinkering with the Constitution in a way inconsistent with the design of that instrument.

He is by far not an originalist. He uses that as cover for some of his most egregious decisions but then conveniently abandons it when that doesn’t suit his needs.

He definitely needs to move on….the nation can hardly afford the damage he will do to the body politic.

Peadawg

June 25th, 2012
3:04 pm

“The dream act is not sn immigration plan”

Really? Allowing those who get a college degree or serve 4 yrs in the military while not having a criminal history to become citizens…isn’t an immigration plan? What would your plan be, Jm? Go home and get in line?

Paul

June 25th, 2012
3:04 pm

A dad

Actually, I can see why some profs (and teaching assistants and others) would do that: to get the students thinking about the ‘why’ of the decision, to evaluate the relative strengths of an argument, majority or no.

But I see your point, for some profs it just comes across as ‘this is why I agree with these justices and why they are brilliant.”

Soothsayer

June 25th, 2012
3:05 pm

“not a fan of sooth am I, he’s a kook’

Coming from Jm, there is no higher compliment! THANKS!

Adam

June 25th, 2012
3:06 pm

Bruno: Wickard v Filburn determined that by not being in the market, you are still in the market. In other words, if you set yourself up outside of a market that crosses state lines in any form, by, oh say not buying health insurance, then you are actually removing yourself from a market you would have otherwise participated in, driving the COSTS up for everyone else. Which was exactly the point of having a mandate. A mandate that wasn’t “unconstitutional” until Democrats supported it and passed it, by the way.

There is a reasonable case to be made that precedent had already been set by that case alone.

Bruno

June 25th, 2012
3:07 pm

WTF are you talking about? What have I ever posted that has insulted your GF with sexual language or otherwise?

You called her a “ho” several times a few Fridays ago, causing Jay to warn you and to pull your posts. Then you cane out with this gem on Saturday.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/06/22/a-musical-soundtrack-to-a-spiritual-journey/?cp=12#comment-990432

All I can say is that you’re a real man hiding behind your keyboard on a blog.

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
3:07 pm

Romney has already assured us that if elected he will use his business skills to fix what ails us. He’s going to cut federal revenues and load us down with more debt and charge US consulting fees until the fed makes a profit or sinks, at which time he will sell US off for pennies on the dollar and use the proceeds to fund his next business venture overseas.

Doggone/GA

June 25th, 2012
3:07 pm

“especially the ladies here, to know what a total POS he is.”

Most of us know already. He hasn’t gone that far with me…yet…but he did claim “victory” the other day in something that wasn’t even any kind of contest. I’ve noticed that he seems to be more extreme…and I did advise him to sleep it off, but he didn’t take too kindly to that advice.

Mr_B

June 25th, 2012
3:08 pm

Mr. Romney continues to demand “leadership” from his opponent, but refuses to say in which direction he personally would lead.

In 50+ years of watching and participating in Presidential elections, I cannot recall a cycle in which either party has put forward so few actual ideas as this year’s Republican party. So far, the only thing I’ve actually Mr. Romney propose is that we elect him president instead of Mr. Obama. Not much of a platform.

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
3:09 pm

Jm @ 3:03

I’m going to reluctantly vote for the guy, but if he said it, it is fair game. That goes for any politician.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:09 pm

“Oh, and on Scalia: law school professors will undoubtedly hate him, as they will have to come up with new lesson plans to fill the hours previously devoted to discussing the question “Do justices decide cases based upon their ideology and then construct a legal justification to support it?”

They probably ought to concentrate more on the Constitution itself rather than case law. If they did, then someone like Obama (who graduated from Harvard) would not have confused it with the Declaration of Independence.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:09 pm

“Oh, and on Scalia: law school professors will undoubtedly hate him, as they will have to come up with new lesson plans to fill the hours previously devoted to discussing the question “Do justices decide cases based upon their ideology and then construct a legal justification to support it?”

They probably ought to concentrate more on the Constitution itself rather than case law. If they did, then someone like Obama (who graduated from Harvard) would not have confused it with the Declaration of Independence.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 25th, 2012
3:09 pm

HEY UNCLE SAMANTHA

IF THAT’S THE CASE HE KNOWS EVEN LESS THAN WE THOUGHT AS THAT NOT AN OPTION IN THE US SENATE

the mind IS a terrible thing to waste, so please send yours to the local recycling center.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 25th, 2012
3:10 pm

Peadawg 3:05

Dream act covers kids.

Comprehensive immigration reform: all illegal aliens, border beef up, reform of quotas, reform of the paperwork morass required to immigrate

Dream act is not a bad first step, but real immigration reform is much more

Furthermore, I think all illegal aliens should be given a green card, but are at the back of the line for citizenship except thru military service

Soothsayer

June 25th, 2012
3:10 pm

Bruno, one more time: what does any of that have to do with your GF?

Bruno

June 25th, 2012
3:10 pm

Most of us know already. He hasn’t gone that far with me…yet…but he did claim “victory” the other day in something that wasn’t even any kind of contest. I’ve noticed that he seems to be more extreme…and I did advise him to sleep it off, but he didn’t take too kindly to that advice.

I appreciate the back up, Doggone. Yep, he’s a real man, insulting women he’s never met on an anonymous blog.

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
3:10 pm

Once again Jay’s way off the mark. Perhaps because he thinks that this Supreme Court ruling is somehow a huge victory for Obama. It was not. Romney is correct in pointing out that Obama has done virtually nothing for immigrants generally, he’s only pandering to a segment because he’s well aware that he can potentially lose in November. You can’t say that Romney is playing “Possum” on this issue when he’s been saying since Obama’s latest bypass of Congress that he’s produced only a superficial temporary bandage. Rubio was actually working toward a bipartisan agreement that was similar to Obama’s desperation ruling by fiat. As for Scalia, he’s absolutely correct. What you had was Kennedy and Roberts deciding based on the Constitution that the Fed’s trump the State of Arizona on immigration law. That doesn’t mean that the Obama administrations failure to enforce existing immigration law was ruled to be correct. Of course you had the left wing stooges on the court going along with the Obama administration as I’m certain they will on the upcoming health care ruling.

Peadawg

June 25th, 2012
3:12 pm

“Dream act covers kids.”

I thought it was anyone who gets a college degree or serves 4 years?

Mama Says

June 25th, 2012
3:12 pm

Jay,

you are good I will give that to you.

Scalia did say what you said but you left out the part where he said if the United States Government will not enforce the laws that are written (about immigration ) then the states have no choice but to do so……..

mighty but editing mistake.

just putting it into th eproper context.

You libs somethimes forget that illegal immigration is ILLEGAL and that Obama is not enforceing the laws

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:12 pm

“So far, the only thing I’ve actually Mr. Romney propose is that we elect him president instead of Mr. Obama. Not much of a platform.”

LOL…as opposed to re-electing Obama because he is a better choice than Romney (I guess the Hope and Change message isn’t resonating too well this time around)?

Paul

June 25th, 2012
3:13 pm

Towncrier

“They probably ought to concentrate more on the Constitution itself rather than case law.”

Case law is what illuminates the Constitution. It is what says “this is what the Constitution says in this situation.”

One cannot to thru a constitutional law course without being able to cite the parts of the constitution applicable to the case. Or many other course, for that matter.

ty webb

June 25th, 2012
3:14 pm

I guess the President’s new found support of states’ rights/sovereignty ends at gay marriage.

Jefferson

June 25th, 2012
3:14 pm

Romney CANNOT win without minority support.

Bruno

June 25th, 2012
3:16 pm

Oh, and Bruno, I can’t think of a single, solitary person that missed you last night.

And, BTW, it looks like your “buddy” Redneck Convert isn’t quite as popular as you figured either. 121 FNM posts for RC’s tribute vs nearly 400 for Bruno’s tribute in the same time period.

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
3:16 pm

No way in the Christian hell does Willard get 35% of the Latino vote. And he absolutely needs that to win.

Bad news, neocons. This race was over before it ever started. But watching the severely conservative squirmfest the rest of this summer and fall will be great entertainment.

Highlighted by the Whites Only Convention in Tampa.

Better than the sitcoms…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 25th, 2012
3:17 pm

Rubio was actually working toward a bipartisan agreement that was similar to Obama’s desperation ruling by fiat.

Hmmm, now where is that list of Dems that Rubio was so close to agreement with? And what exactly was being discussed in this fictional “bipartisan” agreement.

And what fiat?

Someone needs to turn off Fox Nonsense.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
3:18 pm

Mama Says — “You libs somethimes forget that illegal immigration is ILLEGAL”

It’s about as illegal as driving without your license. Please get up to speed on what the laws actually say.

“and that Obama is not enforceing the laws”

Every court in the land recognizes the phenomenon of prosecutorial discretion, and that’s exactly what his policy is. Besides that, ICE was already doing the *same thing* for a year or more before the President made it official.

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
3:19 pm

Now now Jay… Last week I gave you a link so you can actually read and educate yourself on Romney s plan. I guess you like most libs ignore concrete facts Romney has put forward about a comprehensive plan that will secure America’s borders along with giving law abiding immigrates a path to citizenship… You people are a sad lot…

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
3:20 pm

Hey Jay have you filled out the survey from Debbie Downer yet???

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
3:20 pm

Bruno — “You called her a “ho” several times a few Fridays ago, causing Jay to warn you and to pull your posts. Then you cane out with this gem on Saturday.”

That’s very disturbing and troubling. Thank you for calling attention to that.

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
3:20 pm

Keep you need to keep up.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 25th, 2012
3:21 pm

JHM, I am with Granny. I am furious Obama is not enforcing the laws. Bush and Cheney should be prosecuted for war crimes. I mean the right does care about enforcing all laws, correct?

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:22 pm

“I suggest Scalia is tinkering with the Constitution in a way inconsistent with the design of that instrument.”

Well, that is like saying Tom Smith stole from a furniture store in the midst of a city wide riot. As I keep saying, the fact is that the Constitution has been in the process of being subverted by all three branches of the federal government since almost the beginning, starting perhaps with Hamilton’s establishment of a national bank.

“He is by far not an originalist. He uses that as cover for some of his most egregious decisions but then conveniently abandons it when that doesn’t suit his needs.”

How would you define originalism and do you favor it (why or why not)?

“He definitely needs to move on….the nation can hardly afford the damage he will do to the body politic.”

That same thing could be said by others of a number of justices, past and present (you know, like the ones who ruled segregation was Constitutional in 1896).

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
3:22 pm

Joseph — “Now now Jay… Last week I gave you a link so you can actually read and educate yourself on Romney s plan.”

I can’t find it on his website. Can you point it out for me, please?

http://www.romney2012.org/

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 25th, 2012
3:22 pm

Recon, you need to use that material that is suppose to be between your ears to know the truth. Swallowing every nonsense point from Fox does not bode well for your future. ;)

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
3:23 pm

Joe Hussein Mama:

Glad you bookmarked it… Now read and learn what our next President plans to do…

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
3:24 pm

Joseph — “Glad you bookmarked it… Now read and learn what our next President plans to do…”

I can’t find the immigration plan you spoke of. Where is it, exactly?

http://www.romney2012.org/

:)

GT

June 25th, 2012
3:24 pm

Dekalb comments; excellent. And of course the illegals benefit the economy much like slave labor did in the south, which it became entirely too dependent on. What will happen though in the future, these immigrates will surpass the slave level by desire and education. They have the Catholic churches, that still believe in a good education. This class will rise and this country will benefit.

DBCOOPER

June 25th, 2012
3:25 pm

Bookman plays ‘newspaper person’

Erwin's cat

June 25th, 2012
3:25 pm

Obama did not introduce the drean act…he just stopped possible deportation of a particular segment of illegals..he offers no path to citizenship…to quote the President

“This is not amnesty. This is not immunity. This is not a path to citizenship. It’s not a permanent fix,”

It’s a temprary bandaide to get votes

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
3:25 pm

KUTGF — “I mean the right does care about enforcing all laws, correct?”

You forgot to close your tags.

/snark

There ya go. ;)

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
3:25 pm

Joe Hussein Mama:

Its in English though so you may have trouble with it…

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/immigration

Steve Atl

June 25th, 2012
3:26 pm

I just went to Google…typed…www.mittromney.com and then clicked on “Issues”…”Immigration”…and poof…there it was….Mitt Romney’s stated position on Illegal Immigration.

Jay and Friends…do you need help on Al Gore’s World Wide Web and looking up thingamabobs on the ‘puter?

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 25th, 2012
3:26 pm

Peadawg 3:12- u have to have arrived in the US as a minor

AND

Have lived in the US for the last 5 years

Meaning no one over 23 years old tops would qualify

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
3:27 pm

What exactly is Obama’s plan on immigration???

Peadawg

June 25th, 2012
3:27 pm

Joe Hussein Mama
June 25th, 2012
3:22 pm

Well, that’s the wrong website for one. You may want to start here: http://www.mittromney.com/

:lol:

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
3:28 pm

Oh got it.. Amnesty so hopefully he can turn out m,ore illegal votes…

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 25th, 2012
3:29 pm

Peadawg, actually revise previous

Looks like the original version contemplated anyone up to 35 years old

As long as you arrived as a minor (and graduated high school here in the US)

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
3:29 pm

Honestly libs. Go to Obama’s website and hit the drop down box for issue’s. Immigration is nowhere to be found….

Steve Atl

June 25th, 2012
3:29 pm

Keep up the lies Jay…you are pathetic.

From my ‘puter…

America is a nation of immigrants. We are not a nation bound by ethnicity, but one bound by the pristine idea that all people are endowed by their Creator with the unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That is why our ancestors came to America and why so many today wait in line to come to our shores. Welcoming newcomers who share our ideals and work hard to secure a better life for themselves and their families is part of our heritage. A strong legal immigration system is an integral component of what makes America exceptional.

But today, our immigration system is broken.

A porous border allows illegal immigrants to enter the United States, violent cartel members and terrorists possibly among them. Certain states and municipalities grant benefits to illegal immigrants that act as magnets that draw illegal immigrants across the border. At the same time that unskilled workers are able to come here illegally, we do not grant enough visas to high-skill job creators and innovators seeking to come here legally. The system requires us to send away the great majority of the over 300,000 foreign students who are earning advanced degrees at U.S. universities. And it is too difficult for businesses to secure visas for foreign workers to make up for labor shortages and gaps in skills.
Obama’s Failure

President Obama has failed to solve our immigration problems. Indeed, he has failed even to address them. As a candidate for president, he promised to tackle immigration in his first year in office. He broke that promise, and has since only made our problems worse.

President Obama has done nothing to improve our visa system to bring in more high-skill job creators and innovators. Our system still turns away even those foreign students whom we educate here and to whom we grant advanced degrees.

President Obama has utterly failed to secure the border. And instead of taking a strong stand on illegal immigration, he has ordered immigration officials to enforce immigration laws “selectively,” leading to the dismissal of many deportation cases. At the same time, his Department of Justice has sued to stop states from assisting the federal government in enforcing immigration laws.
Mitt’s Plan

Mitt Romney believes that legal immigration is a boon to America. He will strengthen our immigration system so that it benefits the U.S. economy, ensures our security, bolsters the rule of law, and carries on America’s tradition as a nation of legal immigrants.

Attract the Best and Brightest

To ensure that America continues to lead the world in innovation and economic dynamism, a Romney administration would press for an immigration policy designed to maximize America’s economic potential. The United States needs to attract and retain job creators from wherever they come. Foreign-born residents with advanced degrees start companies, create jobs, and drive innovation at an especially high rate. While lawful immigrants comprise about 8 percent of the population, immigrants start 16 percent of our top-performing, high-technology companies, hold the position of CEO or lead engineer in 25 percent of high-tech firms, and produce over 25 percent of all patent applications filed from the United States.

Raise visa caps for highly skilled workers
Grant permanent residency to eligible graduates with advanced degrees in math, science, and engineering

A Strong Stand Against Illegal Immigration

Mitt Romney will protect legal immigration and the 4.5 million who are waiting in line to enter the United States legally by taking a strong stand against illegal immigration. He believes that illegal immigration must end and has a proven track record of advancing that goal.

Secure The Border

Mitt Romney will complete a high-tech fence and provide the necessary number of border patrol to finally secure our southern border.

Turn Off The Magnets

Mitt Romney opposes all “magnets” that entice illegal immigrants to come to our country illegally and stay here. He will establish a tamper-proof employment verification system like E-Verify that will enable employers to hire only those legally permitted to work and deny jobs to those here illegally. This will turn off the jobs magnet that attracts so many unskilled workers to cross the border illegally or overstay their visas.

Mitt also opposes all other magnets. As governor, he vetoed in-state tuition benefits for illegal immigrants and opposed driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants.

Enforce The Law

Mitt Romney believes in the rule of law and will fully enforce federal immigration law. As governor, he authorized state police to assist the federal government in immigration enforcement.

Oppose Amnesty

Mitt Romney opposes amnesty because he believes that it acts as a magnet encouraging illegal immigration. The last amnesty law passed in 1986 granted legal status to 2.7 million illegal immigrants. In the decades since, the illegal immigrant population has quadrupled. Mitt believes that an amnesty should not be permitted to happen again. Illegal immigrants who apply for legal status should not be given any advantage over those who are following the law and waiting their turn. Mitt absolutely opposes any policy that would allow illegal immigrants to “cut in line.

Peadawg

June 25th, 2012
3:29 pm

Jm – Thanks for the clarification. I do still think it’s a good start for the kids who had no control over what their parents did.

“It’s a temprary bandaide to get votes” – Agreed

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:29 pm

“Case law is what illuminates the Constitution. It is what says “this is what the Constitution says in this situation.”

Only because of the very dubious Marbury ruling in 1803 after the Senate decided two years earlier they would only impeach justice for “indictable” offenses. Judicial review was a concept considered and discussed during the ratification process (it was even at one point argued to be a power of the executive but was turned into a veto instead), but it was rejected as a role for the SCOTUS (which was conceived to be the weakest of the three branches).

2nd Amendment Supporter

June 25th, 2012
3:32 pm

“121 FNM posts for RC’s tribute vs nearly 400 for Bruno’s tribute in the same time period.”

Looks like someone is trying real hard to compensate for what they lack. Just saying.

That Black Guy

June 25th, 2012
3:33 pm

Doggone, from downstairs.

Doggone/GA

June 25th, 2012
1:55 pm
“There should be NONE of it overturned. Illegal invaders are NOT citizens and thus shouldn’t be covered under the Constitution.”

The Constitution is not limited to just citizens, except where specifically mentioned
______________________________________________________________
Is it me or have you noticed some of those who constantly reference the constitution have no idea what IS/IS NOT in it or how it is applied?

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 25th, 2012
3:33 pm

“What exactly is Obama’s plan on immigration???”

You are right, Joseph, amnesty…and then the votes won’t be illegal. Just think…all it will take is a little amnesty to stop all that rampant voter fraud…

Good plan, Mister President. Give them amnesty and let them all become democrats… The GOP’s worst nightmare! :lol:

Mighty Righty

June 25th, 2012
3:33 pm

But worry not: A supposedly nonpolitical Supreme Court justice, Antonin Scalia, is eager to jump into the political fray where Romney is too meek to tread. In his RADICAL DESENT
to today’s ruling on the Arizona immigration law, Scalia argues that Arizona and the other 49 states have the right to exercise “what most would consider the defining characteristic of sovereignty: the power to exclude from the sovereign’s territory PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO RIGHT
to be there.”

“Even in its international relations, the federal government must live with the inconvenient fact that it is a Union of independent states, who have their own sover­eign powers,” Scalia writes.

So Jay views a state keeping people out “who have no right” to be there a “radical” position. I submit the radical is Jay! With this view Jay would okay an invasion of any state by a foreign country so long as it is done a few thousand at a time and the invaders will vote for Obama who uses his office to not enforce our laws including our voting laws.

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
3:33 pm

Compare the two website for Romney and Obama. It looks as though a preschooler is Obama’s webmaster. Its laughable… But I will admit they will try and tag the crap out of you to donate… Whoever does that part does it well…

Mr_B

June 25th, 2012
3:34 pm

“LOL…as opposed to re-electing Obama because he is a better choice than Romney (I guess the Hope and Change message isn’t resonating too well this time around)?”

Like I said, TC, I’ve been around for a while now and I don’t put a lot of faith in ANYBODY’s “hope” or “change” or ” morning in America.” Change in American politics is incremental rather than revolutionary. Mr. Obama has a track record of supporting ideas in which I generally agree, avoiding foolish military adventures and acting like an adult in the realm of foreign affairs. Am I 100% satisfied with his performance? Of course not. But he does strike me as a honest man trying to play the cards he was dealt in the best interests of his country.

I have no idea what Mr. Romney wants, other than to be elected president.

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
3:35 pm

Keep are you suggesting that other sources offer greater credibility such as MSNBC or perhaps the New York Times. I know you think that I, like you, should get the news and its interpretations from Jay.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 25th, 2012
3:36 pm

Steve Atl

June 25th, 2012
3:29 pm

Straight from Mitt’s web site??

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
3:37 pm

Normal Free…Pro Human Rights Thug…And liking it!:

Actually amnesty is not the Republicans worst nightmare. Could be for this election cycle but think down the road. Hispanics are Conservative especially on social issues. The democrat party has floated so far to the left they would alienate Hispanics down road… But we need to go the comprehensive route obviously…

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:38 pm

“I have no idea what Mr. Romney wants, other than to be elected president.”

It’s ironic, but that is exactly what I have thought about Obama. Perhaps we can both agree they are politicians more than anything else. If for no other reason than nominating more conservative justices to the SCOTUS, I will vote for Romney.

CJ

June 25th, 2012
3:38 pm

Mitt Romney: “As Candidate Obama, he promised to present an immigration plan during his first year in office. But four years later, we are still waiting.”

Romney forgot to mention the reason that we’re still waiting. Senate Republicans blocked an up-or-down vote on Obama’s “immigration plan” passed by the Democratic House of Representatives.

Paul

June 25th, 2012
3:38 pm

Steve Atl

So did I. Just because there are words there does not mean they translate into a point by point proposal. Here’s what is written under “Immigration”:

“Mitt Romney believes that legal immigration is a boon to America. He will strengthen our immigration system so that it benefits the U.S. economy, ensures our security, bolsters the rule of law, and carries on America’s tradition as a nation of legal immigrants.

To ensure that America continues to lead the world in innovation and economic dynamism, a Romney administration would press for an immigration policy designed to maximize America’s economic potential. The United States needs to attract and retain job creators from wherever they come.”

So… you have a person from Ireland who wants to immigrate under a Romney administration. He asks you ‘what’s required for me to come in?” What do you say? That “the system is designed to maximize America’s economic potential”? Would the legislative proposal be written like that?

As far as illegals, how will he ’secure the border?” There’s a lot of open space along the norther tier.

How’s he going to make sure E-verify works? Will he raise taxes to pay for it?

He’s going to ‘turn off the magnets?”

What’s that mean?

Is he going to outlaw tomato fields?

Make illegal cleaning hotel rooms?

Shut down fast food restaurants?

Romney’s plan sure has all sorts of ominous implications!

Steve Atl

June 25th, 2012
3:38 pm

Crickets from Jay…he is working on another “T-SPLOST” or “Musical Journey” blog since this one is such a disaster for him and the libs.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:39 pm

“But I will admit they will try and tag the crap out of you to donate…”

I don’t recall…do they allow PayPal?

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
3:39 pm

Mitt Romney does not oppose all “magnets” that entice illegal immigrants to come to our country illegally and stay here. He will not establish a comprehensive system to crack down on employers who hire those not permitted to work here legally. He will take no steps to prosecute the thousands and thousands of businessmen in every state who profit enormously from using illegal labor.

Further he will never even mention this – the single greatest cause of illegals in this country – because there are too many Republicans making a mountain of illegal money off of this scam. From McDonalds to Walmart to Home Depot to you name it.

In other words he has no interest at all in turning off the illegal jobs magnet that attracts so many unskilled workers to cross the border illegally or overstay their visas.

Steve Atl

June 25th, 2012
3:40 pm

Hey Paul…go check out Obama’s site…nothing on Immigration…nada…zippo…maybe he was golfing or hanging out with Clooney when that part came up.

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
3:40 pm

CJ:

And where’s a link for that Obama plan. I’d like to read up on that…

Paul

June 25th, 2012
3:41 pm

Towncrier

Me: ““Case law is what illuminates the Constitution. It is what says “this is what the Constitution says in this situation.”

You: Only because of”

Now you’re just arguing you don’t like the law. because of a decision you don’t like from 200 years earlier.

We may not like how things evolved, or what is, but it does not change the fact the law is the law.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
3:42 pm

E. Cat — “Obama did not introduce the drean act…he just stopped possible deportation of a particular segment of illegals.”

No, he didn’t. Nothing in the policy forbids or bars deportation of any illegoso. It simply directs ICE to focus their efforts and resources on particular types and groups of illegosos.

This is the original policy, as articulated by a Director at ICE. It’s largely identical to what the President announced last week. Scroll all the way down and read the very last paragraph.

http://www.ice.gov/doclib/secure-communities/pdf/prosecutorial-discretion-memo.pdf

Steve Atl

June 25th, 2012
3:43 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
3:43 pm

Joseph — “Joe Hussein Mama: Its in English though so you may have trouble with it…”

I’ll place my language skills in English and a few others up against yours any time, Joseph.

Now, if you’re going to be a jerk, I won’t read it at all. Apologize politely and I’ll read it.

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
3:44 pm

Just typed in a search for Obama’s comprehensive immigration plan. Drew a blank..

bman

June 25th, 2012
3:44 pm

If Romney were to say anything even relating to illegals in the country being “illegal”, he would be labeled a racist by nearly every media outlet in the nation.

Personally, I don’t understand any of it. If you do a slow-roll thru a traffic light & get caught, you pay a fine. If you get caught entering the country illegally, nothing happens.

How odd

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:44 pm

“Hey Paul…go check out Obama’s site…nothing on Immigration…nada…zippo…maybe he was golfing or hanging out with Clooney when that part came up.”

I guess if Romney’s debate coaches are smart, then they will advise Romney to induce “articulate” his plan and then ask why he has said published a word about it on his website before then.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

June 25th, 2012
3:45 pm

Mark imn Midtown – jay, are you saying that Romney engaged in the equivalent of voting “present”? Why when Romney does it does that all of a sudden bother you?

A senator can vote “Present” but a President or a Presidential contender really can’t. Senator’s don’t lead — Presiden’ts do.

DogGone – and nevermind that deportations are way UP under this admin. Doesn’t mean a thing.

Truth doesn’t matter — the only thing that matters is what some on the right can parrot from Faux News.

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
3:45 pm

Romney says that we should make legal immigration more desirable and illegal immigration less desirable. I believe that as the criteria for comprehensive immigration reform makes a lot more sense than the Democrats position of making illegal immigration desirable.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
3:45 pm

Steve ATL — “Jay and Friends…do you need help on Al Gore’s World Wide Web and looking up thingamabobs on the ‘puter?”

No, you need help getting the joke. :D

Peadawg — “Well, that’s the wrong website for one. You may want to start here”

Excellent, I picked up a spare with my mad trollin’ skillz. :D

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:45 pm

“Personally, I don’t understand any of it. If you do a slow-roll thru a traffic light & get caught, you pay a fine. If you get caught entering the country illegally, nothing happens.”

Perhaps it is somehow tied to money…

Erwin's cat

June 25th, 2012
3:46 pm

JHM…thanks for the link..
yes “stopped” is an over reach
I should have said “discourages” instead of “stopped”

Dekalb comments

June 25th, 2012
3:46 pm

Steve @ 3:29 p.m.

Is the most original you can offer are citations from RMoney’s website? Those are purely political statements with absolutely no substantive proposals. He says he will establish a “fool-proof” system as opposed to E-verify. Can he qualify that statement? Is he suggesting a national ID card? The devil is in the details.

The reality is the President had to keep us from going off the economic cliff (which he prevented thanks to the stimulus bill, saving the auto industry, etc.). He has now taken the step to prevent us from deporting “innocent” participants in the whole immigration issue. These children did nothing wrong. Do you recall the remember the biblical admonition not to visit unto the children the sins of their parents?

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:46 pm

“I believe that as the criteria for comprehensive immigration reform makes a lot more sense than the Democrats position of making illegal immigration desirable.”

In truth, Recon, I think both parties have made it “desirable”.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:46 pm

“I believe that as the criteria for comprehensive immigration reform makes a lot more sense than the Democrats position of making illegal immigration desirable.”

In truth, Recon, I think both parties have made it “desirable”.

East Lake Ira

June 25th, 2012
3:47 pm

So Mitt wants a big giant fence?

How’s he gonna pay for that? Can we see his proposed budget please?

Not vague statements, an actual budget with line item funding levels please.

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
3:47 pm

Joe Hussein Mama:

There’s really no point in an apology. If your an immigrant wanting to come here I figured your first language wouldn’t be English. That’s really the only folks who should be concerned with this right?

Paul

June 25th, 2012
3:47 pm

Steve Atl 3:40

Check out Obama’s site? You’re serious? I quoted from it and asked you what those ’specific proposals of his immigration plan” mean and that’s your response?

That’s a key indicator (”oh yeah?!!? Well….. what about Obama, huh?!!?”) that one cannot expand past the sound bites.

Maybe my comprehension’s off, but as you did not answer any of my questions about Mitt’s plan, perhaps, as you think his plan is clear and specific, you can help me out?

What will Mitt do with the illegals currently in country?

Is the correct answer “wait for them to self deport”?

carlosgvv

June 25th, 2012
3:47 pm

Jay, once you get beyond any personal dislike of Scalia, please tell us EXACTLY what he is saying here that is un-Constitional.

As for Romney, he has put himself between a rock and a hard place. He will just continue to come out with verbal mismash on imigration until the election.

Steve Atl

June 25th, 2012
3:49 pm

Need to Retitle the Blog…

“Obama plays politician and possum; Romney clearly states his views on Immigration at http://www.MittRomney.com

I am sitting here laughing at the lack of intelligence from the Left..

Peadawg

June 25th, 2012
3:49 pm

“So Mitt wants a big giant fence?”

And I’ll either dig under, use wire cutters with rubber grips, or get a bigger ladder. Puzzle solved. Next.

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
3:49 pm

Mitt also opposes driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Lets just all be good little neocons, pretend that they don’t drive cars now. This way they CANNOT buy auto insurance. Nor show proof that they have paid state taxes. It also increases the incentive to leave the scene of an accident before authorities arrive.

You guppies really think, that just like with the gays, your irrational non-pragmatism can drive them (get it?) underground.

Grow up and deal with the realities for once…

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:49 pm

“Truth doesn’t matter — the only thing that matters is what some on the right can parrot from Faux News.”

Or what the left can parrot from Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, the HP, the Daily Kos, a number of talking heads on MSNBC and so on.

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
3:51 pm

“Mitt Romney, the GOP nominee for president, steadfastly refuses to get involved in the political debate about immigration”

Well, except for when he said he supported the Arizona law….

Curious

June 25th, 2012
3:51 pm

What’s the position of Democrats, Republicans, or anybody on employers knowingly employing illegals?

What about those employers that don’t make a good faith attempt to verify status?

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
3:51 pm

“In truth, Recon, I think both parties have made it “desirable”.

Towncrier, no disagreement there, however, the Republicans fall far behind the Dem’s in understanding how to manipulate that immigration path and make it pay off.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
3:52 pm

E. Cat — “yes “stopped” is an over reach I should have said “discourages” instead of “stopped”

The way I read it, they’re not specifically looking for young illegosos who were brought here as small children. They’re looking primarily for older illegosos, who most likely intentionally and willfully came here without authorization.

Now, if they catch 55-year-old Tio Pepe and he’s got a dozen teenage illegoso relatives working for him in his lawnmowing and yard business, they might very well throw ‘em all back. But they’re not actively looking for the average teenage illegoso who just happens to be scraping by on mowing lawns.

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
3:52 pm

“A supposedly nonpolitical Supreme Court justice, Antonin Scalia”

As opposed to supposedly nonpolitical Supreme Court justices like Kagan and Sotomayor, right?

Steve Atl

June 25th, 2012
3:52 pm

Hey Paul…my question to you is “Where the heck is Obama’s Immigartion Pln

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
3:53 pm

“Where the heck is Obama’s Immigartion Pln?”

Same place as his plan to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term.

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
3:53 pm

Anyone watch the great hour long special with Marco Rubio? He is certainly going to make a great VP and probably someday President….

getalife

June 25th, 2012
3:53 pm

Told ya willard got crushed on this issue.

“In another sign of just how screwy things have gotten,”

How do you make it stop?

Mr_B

June 25th, 2012
3:54 pm

“CJ:

And where’s a link for that Obama plan. I’d like to read up on that…”

Here ya go, (Warning 27 pages and pretty specific. I know you guys don’t like reading long documents.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/immigration_blueprint.pdf

Erwin's cat

June 25th, 2012
3:54 pm

JHM..agreed…I essentially read it the same, but didn’t want to type that much..LOL
I’m not intellectually lazy..just plain lazy today

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
3:54 pm

I’m sure going to miss Tropical Storm Debbie Downer Schulz…

Steve Atl

June 25th, 2012
3:54 pm

Supposed to read “Where the heck is Obama’s Immigration Plan?” before the Liberal grammar and spelling police are all over me like libs on food stamps.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
3:55 pm

Joseph — “There’s really no point in an apology.”

Yes, there is. You could demonstrate your willingness to engage me politely, or I could just go back to ignoring you.

“If your an immigrant wanting to come here I figured your first language wouldn’t be English. That’s really the only folks who should be concerned with this right?”

I found your crack about my English skills to be inappropriate and insulting. Your posts are full of misspellings, punctuation and usage mistakes, but I’ve never once called you on it. By your standard, shouldn’t I be calling ICE to come haul you away?

Man up and apologize, and then we can discuss things.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:55 pm

“Mitt also opposes driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants. Stupid, stupid, stupid.”

Last I knew, two wrongs don’t make a right. I understand your rationale, but I think granting them licenses is just making it easy for them to remain illegal and even perhaps vote illegally. Besides, I think many insurers want you to have uninsured motorists protection on a car that is still being paid for. It is not the solution to the problem. imo.

getalife

June 25th, 2012
3:55 pm

“Same place as his plan to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term”

In the gop house’s trash can.

barking frog

June 25th, 2012
3:55 pm

Citizenship for the asking.
Sign them up. Tax them.
Can’t be any worse than
what we’ve already got.

bman

June 25th, 2012
3:56 pm

“Perhaps it is somehow tied to money”

Everything the Govt does involves $. They can’t get a meal catered in for 50 people without I costing $500/per person. It did t cost much for the people who entered the country illegally.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 25th, 2012
3:56 pm

Obama’s plan?

I suspect you mean Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill of 2011?

Perhaps you just review it’s history.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
3:56 pm

““Where the heck is Obama’s Immigartion Pln?”

“Same place as his plan to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term.”

That was funny.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
3:56 pm

Curious — “What’s the position of Democrats, Republicans, or anybody on employers knowingly employing illegals? What about those employers that don’t make a good faith attempt to verify status?”

Here’s mine.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/06/15/obama-offers-temporary-reprieve-to-young-illegal-immigrants/?cp=10#comment-984295

East Lake Ira

June 25th, 2012
3:56 pm

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
3:57 pm

“You could demonstrate your willingness to engage me politely, or I could just go back to ignoring you.”

Joseph, go for ignore. Anything else is a waste of your time.

getalife

June 25th, 2012
3:57 pm

Our President will win the issues and debates.

He deserves to be reelected.

Four more years!

Jimmy62

June 25th, 2012
3:58 pm

I wonder why you haven’t gotten all over Obama for his lies and omissions in the drug war. The lie was that he said he wouldn’t raid marijuana businesses and growers that complied with state law, yet he has gone on to do so. The omission is that whenever people ask him about drugs, he laughs and refuses to take it seriously. When the White House had a poll about questions Obama would answer, pot legalization issues were the public’s number one request, and Obama laughed it off. As if all the unjust death and imprisonment caused by these policies are a meaningless joke. It’s not meaningless, but his refusal to even discuss it sure is political! He obviously cares more about winning an election than doing what is right, or doing anything to help people.

But hey, go one and heap scorn on Scalia. Easy target, and you won’t get attacked by sycophants like you would if you really criticized the bringer of light.

Misty Fyed

June 25th, 2012
3:58 pm

Dang those promises…I can’t believe people expect the President to have actually meant them.

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
3:58 pm

Mr_B:

Just asking but it was dated May 2011. When was it presented to the House or Senate for a vote?

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
3:58 pm

““Where the heck is Obama’s Immigartion Pln?”

Same place as his commitment to be the most open and transparent administration in history.

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
3:59 pm

“Well, except for when he said he supported the Arizona law…”

Nothing wrong in saying that because the Arizona law in essence is the same as existing Federal immigration law. The Supremes didn’t rule that it was a bad law, they ruled that crafting and enforcing immigration law belongs to the Federal government’s authority and not to the state. The Court did not rule on the correctness or incorrectness of the Obama administrations refusal to enforce existing immigration law.

Misty Fyed

June 25th, 2012
3:59 pm

Maybe Romney is smart enough to realize that Jay and the rest of the press won’t give him the same pass they give Obama on not fulfilling campaign promises.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
4:00 pm

B. Shockley — “Joseph, go for ignore. Anything else is a waste of your time.”

You certainly were. I posted what you asked for and POOF, you disappeared.

josef

June 25th, 2012
4:00 pm

There will be an immigration overhaul regardless of who goes in and the plan will be pretty much the same. The idea of the dream act will be the first step since even among conservatives (not the nasty tempered “herd ‘em all up and roll ‘em out” back to the generation MY ancestors arrived) there is a hesitancy to punish the children for the sins of the fathers. Next there will be a triage andf those who have long established ties in the country and who have sunk roots here will be granted some form of amnesty, possibly including a path to citizenship. For those more recent arrivals with less ties to the country but good records and individuals willing to step up and speak their case, there will be some form of revised “work permit.” That will lower the number to be Removed (most interesting terminology there) to the Jacksonianly manageable. There’ll be enough debate on the details of the overall plan to satisfy the squabble happy, imauo.

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
4:00 pm

Recon, I was pointing out the inaccuracy of Jay’s assertion that Romney hasn’t taken a position.

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
4:01 pm

Hussein, you’re a lockstep-liberal. We get it. It’s boring as hell, but we get it.

Steve Atl

June 25th, 2012
4:02 pm

Just heard 2 new Immigration terms…”Undocumented Democrats” and “Illegal Liberals”…now that is funny.

getalife

June 25th, 2012
4:02 pm

The activist con sc judge’s think money is free speech and corporations are people.

They legalized corruption.

Talk about crazy.

Williebkind

June 25th, 2012
4:02 pm

“Our” borders? Shouldn’t that be THEIR borders…or is Romney now advocating that states can enforce the border laws in other states too?”

That is exactly what the blue states are doing. Most of the country is red but the minority blue states forces the other states to abide by their rule.

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
4:03 pm

““Where the heck is Obama’s Immigartion Pln?”

Same place as his commitment to close Gitmo.

getalife

June 25th, 2012
4:03 pm

Steve,

Mormon Brotherhood.

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
4:03 pm

Ben, got ya.

Paul

June 25th, 2012
4:03 pm

Steve Atl

“Hey Paul…my question to you is “Where the heck is Obama’s Immigartion Pln”

I know, Steve. You keep repeating that whenever anyone asks you what the boilerplate, strung-together buzzwords on Romney’s site actually mean.

I know you like one-click, simple pages, but if you did a bit of research you’d find Pres Obama’s made all sorts of calls for immigration reform, such as his recent State of the Union.

“”I believe as strongly as ever that we should take on illegal immigration. That’s why my administration has put more boots on the border than ever before. That’s why there are fewer illegal crossings than when I took office. The opponents of action are out of excuses. We should be working on comprehensive immigration reform right now.

But if election-year politics keeps Congress from acting on a comprehensive plan, let’s at least agree to stop expelling responsible young people who want to staff our labs, start new businesses, defend this country. Send me a law that gives them the chance to earn their citizenship. I will sign it right away.”

So while he put boots on the border, increased deportations, fined corporations more in a few months than the previous administration did in eight years, he still called on Congress for more. With a bit of research you, too, can find out how the House did on that.

Bottom line is this: while Obama’s efforts may not have been consistent, while he may not have brought consistent pressure to bear on Congress, that in no way translates to implying that Romney has any specifics of his own that could be used as a vote proposal by Congress.

“I am sitting here laughing at the lack of intelligence from the Left..”

And Steve, we’re not laughing at those who read Romney’s buzzwords and think they constitute a plan. We don’t consider it polite to laugh at those so unfortunate.

josef

June 25th, 2012
4:03 pm

BRUNO

Are you still here? If so, just remember that sometimes some of us just can’t remember who we are, much less what we said… but don’t go messin with the teacher’s pet… :-)

Soothsayer

June 25th, 2012
4:03 pm

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
4:04 pm

We get it.

We?

Ben goes rags. The owners of such small personal convictions that they need imaginary “friends” to bolster their positions…

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
4:04 pm

Liberals are so funny. They castigate “the rich” and corporations and small business owners for allegedly profiting from cheap illegal labor, then in the next sentence they celebrate the defeat of any sane attempts to curb illegal immigration or make it a crime for illegals to have jobs. JamVet even thinks they ought to have drivers licenses.

And liberals wonder why smart people laugh and point when they walk by……..

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
4:04 pm

I’m still waiting for when Obama presented this so called plan to Congress…

Williebkind

June 25th, 2012
4:04 pm

The only thing I got out of the ruling is that Arizona cant lock the illegals up upon discovery.

Steve Atl

June 25th, 2012
4:04 pm

getalife,

” All over it like libs on foodstamps”

East Lake Ira

June 25th, 2012
4:05 pm

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
4:05 pm

“Undocumented Democrats”

That is funny, as it exposes what I sadly and cynically believe is a motivation behind some Democratic foot dragging. While it may also be money, that is probably the only motivation for the Republican foot dragging.

Obama is over

June 25th, 2012
4:05 pm

Paul @ 2:47-
Excellent point. Hispanic unemployment in the U.S. is 11%. Mexican unemployment as of May 2012 is 5%. Rather than focus on trade agreements with friendly nations that have stronger economies, Obama continues to blatantly pander to special interest groups to try to buy votes at taxpayer expense. This weekend Barron’s had an interesting article on how the Obama administration issued a mandate forcing the U.S. Navy (the largest buyer of diesel in the world) to purchase a 50/50 biofuel/petroleum mix for the fleet with an average cost of $26 per gallon versus $4 per gallon for diesel that the rest of the world uses.Of course the biofuels come from Obama bundlers in Energy Dept. projects. Another great example of how this administration is completely clueless and out of touch with reality.At a time when the economy is struggling and the Navy is retiring a significant part of the U.S. fleet due to budget cuts, taxpayers are supporting a failed program paying 5 times the global average price because Obama simply does not know what he is doing. The goods news is that the President is partying with Cee-low and Tyler Perry again this week and we now have an additional 800,000 Hispanics in the U.S. looking for work with the rest of the population.

Chris

June 25th, 2012
4:05 pm

Jay, so what exactly about Scalia’s OPINION was incorrect?

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
4:06 pm

“So while he put boots on the border, increased deportations, fined corporations more in a few months than the previous administration did in eight years, he still called on Congress for more.”

Was this before or after he said they could stay here and go to school on taxpayer dime?

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
4:06 pm

I am flabbergasted that Oblama had this glorious plan back in May 2011 and he never took it to Congress…

Soothsayer

June 25th, 2012
4:07 pm

“but don’t go messin with the teacher’s pet…”

Lord, josef, if you think I’m the “teacher’s pet,” you’re must be smoking something.

Jay and I have clashed on a number of issues. If I’m the “teacher’s pet” it’s a big surprise to me.

I don’t hold any animosity towards any blogger here.

Mighty Righty

June 25th, 2012
4:07 pm

The Obamacratic Administration is the most racist and lawless administration in my life time. This administration through our no Justic Department has ignored crimes when committed by its favored minorities. Examples include the black thugs that were video taped using clubs and threats to prevent white voters from voting. In spite of the visual evidence proving the crimes beyond shadow of doubt, the no Justice Department against advice of its own attorneys dropped the charges in violation of law as well as decency. The no Justice Department has repeatedly refused to enforce federal immigration laws. The no Justice Department is at present failing to investigate the murder of one of our fellow ciizens and in fact is obstructing justice in that case and is violating contempt of congress law with the full knowledge and assistance of the president. The president himself has ordered the no Justice Department to not obey laws passed by our elected representives. President Obama prior to his election admitted he did not like our constitution, the one document that protects us from abuse from elected representives like him. This administration has proven over and over that it has no respect for our constitution or any of our laws that Obama or Holder disagree with. Whats next? There are no limits to the total disregard and contempt this Obama Administration has for our Country and our constitutional guaranteed rights. For the first time in my life I am ashamed of and in fear our government. Time is running out on the greatest nation in the history of the world. We must collectively stop our slide into another dictator controlled third world economy by defeating the four year Obama monarchy this November. A monarchy that falsely claims to believe in the once greatness of this country.

Curious

June 25th, 2012
4:08 pm

JHM

Thanks.

Too bad our politicans seem to miss the part of “what part of illegal don’t you understand?” when it comes to employers.

Lock up a few and this “problem” would solved in no time.

Looks like Obama presented an immigration plan. What happened?

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
4:09 pm

“I am flabbergasted that Oblama had this glorious plan back in May 2011 and he never took it to Congress…”

Or that he didn’t have it in 2008 when it may have been able to pass.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
4:09 pm

Why should Romney enter the fray at this point? I’m sure the issue will come up in the debates. O’Panderer only pulled his move in anticipation of a tight race and hopes to bring out the latino vote. If the feds aren’t going to enforce the immigration laws, the states should put a price tag on what illegals cost the state and send a bill to Uncle Sam. Then see how many supposedly support the feds.

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
4:09 pm

In other news, President Obama played his 101st round of golf yesterday. Bush played 32 rounds in 8 years.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
4:10 pm

“Jay, so what exactly about Scalia’s OPINION was incorrect?”

It diverged from Jay’s – hence it was necessarily wrong.

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
4:10 pm

I wonder if Barry tipped his caddie in pesos.

josef

June 25th, 2012
4:10 pm

SOOTH
You know what I’m talking about…

carlosgvv

June 25th, 2012
4:11 pm

If someone is ILLEGALLY in Mexico, Canadia, England, Scotland, Ireland, France, Spain, Portugal, or Germany and applies for work, I wonder if that’s legal?

Joe the Plutocrat

June 25th, 2012
4:11 pm

is it me? one might not agree with his plan; but I’m pretty sure what he proposed last week (shameless and political as it may be) IS “a plan”. at the very least; it is “part of a plan”. and is Romney daft? “bipartisan”? in order for the POTUS to employ a bipartisan approach to immigration; the Republicans in the House have to actually propose a plan of their own (as opposed to crossing their fingers and hedging their bets until the SCOTUS renders a decision).

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
4:12 pm

I sitting here LMAO.. Some lib on MESSNBC thought the whole law got struck down and when it was explained to him that the most controversial part was not he had that Homer Simpson look… I love watching libs look stupid and there’s no better place than MessNBC…

Dekalb comments

June 25th, 2012
4:13 pm

I find this whole discussion interesting but distressing.

Republicans charge that Democrats love all the illegals here so they can vote for their free benefits. Democrats charge that Republicans want to split up families while being torn by their need to support their corporate masters.

Neither statement is true. I think both sides can agree that we need to establish control over people coming into the country. We want a compassionate policy but one that is based in law and is consistent.

Why can’t Congress come together and further those objectives? The answer is simple. Both sides are pandering to their constituents. Neither side is advancing the interests of the country.

Until we get back to civility, bipartisanship and negotiation our nation is frozen in time. We don’t progress but we may slide backward. It is up to citizens to demand engagement from both sides. I think I heard that the U.S. House of Representatives will only be working for 28 days from now to election day. What is up with that? We give them 4 months of summer vacation? What is Boehner thinking?

Joe the Plutocrat

June 25th, 2012
4:14 pm

Hey Ben S; how many sovereign nations has Obama invaded? In less than three years; Bush invaded two! call me a knee-jerk libertarian, but I’ll take a POTUS who plays too much golf over one who invades too many countries.

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
4:14 pm

Ben, a smart people?

Riiight…

For a Herman Cain guy…

Mr_B

June 25th, 2012
4:14 pm

Framework submitted in the Senate April 29, 2010.

““Where the heck is Obama’s Immigartion Pln?”

Same place as his commitment to close Gitmo.”

Exactly. Obama issued an executive order to close Gitmo. Congress killed it by legislation, refusing to fund the closure.

Dekalb comments

June 25th, 2012
4:15 pm

Mighty Righty @ 4:07

Your physician can increase your dosage.

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
4:15 pm

Might Righty, you left out the Obama administration’s blatant disregard for a federal judge’s order to lift the ban on drilling for oil in the gulf. And for turning over the fast and furious documents. And enforcing federal immigration laws. The Obamateurs apparently don’t think the law applies to them.

Peadawg

June 25th, 2012
4:15 pm

“President Obama played his 101st round of golf ”

I surprised Kyle wasn’t all over that like a fat kid on a cupcake.

Soothsayer

June 25th, 2012
4:16 pm

I think this entire argument has already being stated most eloquently by our very own Jam-man. If employers didn’t hire illegal aliens, there wouldn’t be any illegal aliens.

How complicated is that?

getalife

June 25th, 2012
4:16 pm

“citizen united is here to stay.” CNN.

Mind boggling.

Lord Help Us

June 25th, 2012
4:16 pm

‘President Obama prior to his election admitted he did not like our constitution’

Amongst other dubious statements, I thought this one was a great example of pure doofusism…

If you have to use lies to justify your position, perhaps you need to reassess…

josef

June 25th, 2012
4:16 pm

DeKalb

Just for the record, that “grease monkey” one was just what you were called on it for. You do things like that an awful lot. And you can try to caught-klanner your way out of it all you want,

Arthur Nielsen

June 25th, 2012
4:17 pm

I love how people here actually think someone gives a fat rat’s ass about what they are currently watching on the boob tube.

Paul

June 25th, 2012
4:17 pm

Obama is over

“This weekend Barron’s had an interesting article on how the Obama administration issued a mandate forcing the U.S. Navy (the largest buyer of diesel in the world) to purchase a 50/50 biofuel/petroleum mix for the fleet with an average cost of $26 per gallon versus $4 per gallon for diesel that the rest of the world uses.Of course the biofuels come from Obama bundlers in Energy Dept. projects. ”

How does this stuff continue to get recycled?

The Department of Defense had a huge biofuels research program years before Pres Obama took office. It was pushed hard by general officers who consider it a national security issue – specifically to get away from ‘fuel the rest of the world uses” that comes from the Mideast.

But of course, now it’s “Obama forced” and “money bundlers in DOE” and other such nonsense.

You don’t like it? Call the AF generals and Navy admirals on the carpet.

Bruno

June 25th, 2012
4:18 pm

That’s very disturbing and troubling. Thank you for calling attention to that.

Joe–As you well know, I’m no shrinking violet on this blog. I dish–and receive–insults on a regular basis, as do you, Jay and anyone else with a set of cojones. That’s to be expected and is perfectly acceptable in my book. However, to start insulting people’s families, particularly their GFs, wives or children is not acceptable.

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
4:18 pm

“Hey Ben S; how many sovereign nations has Obama invaded? ”

I don’t know, how many did Franklin Roosevelt invade? I can think of at least two. What was your point? Do you have a point?

Dekalb comments

June 25th, 2012
4:18 pm

Ben Shockley @ 4:15

I won’t waste everyone’s time on your hero GWB’s blatant refusal to follow the law. Egg on you.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
4:18 pm

B. Shockley — “Hussein, you’re a lockstep-liberal. We get it. It’s boring as hell, but we get it.”

Survey Says — BZZZZZZT

I bet I’ve voted for more Republicans in my life than you have.

I also bet I’ve done a hell of a lot more volunteer work for the GOP at the local level than you ever have.

Don’t judge a book by it’s cover, Champ.

Williebkind

June 25th, 2012
4:18 pm

Libruls are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you going to get.

josef

June 25th, 2012
4:18 pm

LHU

Dufusism? I like that… :-)

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
4:18 pm

What do all these LMAO’d cons do when they tire of standing.

Oscar

June 25th, 2012
4:19 pm

In other news, President Obama played his 101st round of golf yesterday. Bush played 32 rounds in 8 years.

__________

Bush must have played pretty slow. He should have played faster.

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
4:19 pm

… after watching Mitt Romney run for president the past few months, he makes John McCain look like George Washington (of “I Can’t Tell A Lie” fame).

Granted, presidential candidates are no strangers to disingenuous or overstated claims; it’s pretty much endemic to the business. But Romney is doing something very different and far more pernicious. Quite simply, the United States has never been witness to a presidential candidate, in modern American history, who lies as frequently, as flagrantly and as brazenly as Mitt Romney.

My personal favorite in Romney’s cavalcade of untruths is his repeated assertion that President Obama has apologized for America. In his book, appropriately titled “No Apologies”, Romney argues the following:

“Never before in American history has its president gone before so many foreign audiences to apologize for so many American misdeeds, both real and imagined. It is his way of signaling to foreign countries and foreign leaders that their dislike for America is something he understands and that is, at least in part, understandable.”

Nothing about this sentence is true.

The All Liars Party – where honesty has taken a permanent vacation…

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
4:19 pm

Mr_B:

And the links to back up your assertion…

Peadawg

June 25th, 2012
4:20 pm

“Mind boggling.”

Only b/c it’s helping Romney and not Obama. Stop whining.

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
4:20 pm

“If employers didn’t hire illegal aliens, there wouldn’t be any illegal aliens.

How complicated is that?”

If we give them drivers licenses like JamVet says we’re crazy not to, how do we know they’re illegal?

How complicated is that?

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
4:21 pm

“If employers didn’t hire illegal aliens, there wouldn’t be any illegal aliens.

How complicated is that?”

If government didn’t give them foodstamps, drivers licenses and cellphones, they wouldn’t be here.

How complcated is that?

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
4:21 pm

Curious — “JHM Thanks.”

Thank you for reading it.

It should be pretty obvious to anyone with an attention span and the reading ability of a middle-schooler than I’m not in favor of unrestricted immigration, but people who are motivated more by partisanship and rhetoric are clearly more interested in arguing than in solving problems.

Butch Cassidy

June 25th, 2012
4:22 pm

Hey now, take it easy on the Right Wingers. It’s not their fault that they got stuck having to support the guy who lost to the guy who lost to Obama.

Ben Shockley

June 25th, 2012
4:22 pm

“Quite simply, the United States has never been witness to a presidential candidate, in modern American history, who lies as frequently, as flagrantly and as brazenly as Mitt Romney.”

LMAO. Bill Clinton????

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
4:24 pm

“If employers didn’t hire illegal aliens, there wouldn’t be any illegal aliens.”

Might also add…and if the Federal Government would aggressively prosecute employers who hire illegal aliens and discontinue suing states that attempt to prosecute employers that do so there would be a lot less jobs for illegal aliens resulting in a lot less illegal aliens.

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
4:25 pm

I think liberals honestly believe in their mind that if they read something on a leftwing blog or hear a foaming at the mouth pundit say it on TV it must be true…

Bruno

June 25th, 2012
4:25 pm

Looks like someone is trying real hard to compensate for what they lack. Just saying.

So, 2nd Amendment Supporter, where’s your FNM entry?? I can only hope you can aspire to be something more in life than a sideline sniper……

Speaking of which, where’s your entry, Jam?? I think everyone would be interested in hearing about your experience hanging out with Todd Rundgren in Hawaii. Maybe even the part about your delightful friend that you met there. ;-)

Peadawg

June 25th, 2012
4:25 pm

“Bill Clinton????”

Oh geeze…Lawinksi was just a ‘relaxation therapist’ and she did a good job…Clinton was a pretty good President.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
4:26 pm

Bruno — “However, to start insulting people’s families, particularly their GFs, wives or children is not acceptable.”

Agreed. Doom once tried to slag on my wife shortly after he and I first tangled, but he’s not done it since.

I might get in a good-natured poke at someone’s spouse once in a while (my favorite jab is to ask someone if his wife was still sticky from all the stamps when they got married), but anything more than that is totally off-limits IMO. And I *never* diss someone’s kids, parents or pets.

Siblings are another matter, though. I’ve got a dirtbag for a younger brother and you can talk smack about him all you like. :D

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
4:26 pm

Show a liberal Romney’s immigration plan and what happens. They leave because their ridiculous arguments become more ridiculous…

HDB

June 25th, 2012
4:26 pm

Mighty Righty

June 25th, 2012
4:07 pm
“This administration through our no Justic Department has ignored crimes when committed by its favored minorities. Examples include the black thugs that were video taped using clubs and threats to prevent white voters from voting. In spite of the visual evidence proving the crimes beyond shadow of doubt, the no Justice Department against advice of its own attorneys dropped the charges in violation of law as well as decency.”

Excuse me, but this was the BUSH Justice Department’s handling of the Panthers…….don’t revise history!!

Bruno

June 25th, 2012
4:28 pm

but don’t go messin with the teacher’s pet…

Wait a minute, josef, I thought that YOU were the teacher’s pet around here. Jay’s FNM writeup for you was just a tad more complimentary…. ;-)

Darwin

June 25th, 2012
4:28 pm

Scalia also uses his brain power to compare the health care mandate with forcing people to buy broccoli. OK – everyone uses the health care market, and everyone uses the food market. So, why can’t the government force you to buy broccoli. OK, Justice Brainchild. When people don’t buy broccoli, but use it, they’re stealing. When people use health care, but don’t pay for the services rendered, they’re stealing. The cost of broccoli is not determined by the people not eating it. But the cost of health care IS determined by the people using it but not paying for it. Simple enough?

Williebkind

June 25th, 2012
4:28 pm

Jamvet are you confusing disagreement with lying?

Bruno

June 25th, 2012
4:28 pm

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
4:29 pm

“Siblings are another matter, though. I’ve got a dirtbag for a younger brother and you can talk smack about him all you like.”

Is that the one who actively campaigned for Palin four years ago? ;-)

Mr_B

June 25th, 2012
4:30 pm

“I’m still waiting for when Obama presented this so called plan to Congress…”

Parts of it were presented in April of2010.
After Nov. of 2010 there wasn’t any point, since Republican control the House and can freeze any action in the Senate.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
4:31 pm

Darwin — “Scalia also uses his brain power to compare the health care mandate with forcing people to buy broccoli. OK – everyone uses the health care market, and everyone uses the food market. So, why can’t the government force you to buy broccoli.”

Scalia’s analogy is poorly drawn. Broccoli isn’t the *only* foodstuff available in the market.

Show me someone who doesn’t buy *any* food at all, and his argument might grow some legs.

Erwin's cat

June 25th, 2012
4:31 pm

Darwin – “Simple enough?”

and your rant relates to the constitution how?

Thomas

June 25th, 2012
4:32 pm

What, as country, do we say to the thousands of American citizens that are killed each year by illegal immigrants? “sorry, sucks for you family member but it is simply a cost of doing business”?

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
4:32 pm

Towncrier — “Is that the one who actively campaigned for Palin four years ago?”

I wouldn’t know; I haven’t seen him since 2006 and haven’t heard from him since 2007.

Frankly, I doubt he’s got it together enough to *vote,* let alone to actually campaign for anyone.

Mr_B

June 25th, 2012
4:32 pm

“In other news, President Obama played his 101st round of golf yesterday. Bush played 32 rounds in 8 years.”

NEWSFLASH!!!!! Obama enjoys golf more than Bush did!!!!!! Plays better basketball too.

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
4:33 pm

If we give them drivers licenses like JamVet says we’re crazy not to, how do we know they’re illegal?

Jesus on a Popsicle stick…

Nope, Ben, Clinton was not anywhere near the liar that Romney is. And the proof would be you list Bill’s and I’ll list Flip’s.

But ain’t no way in hell you’d even try.

Because, a) you don’t do research (being utterly ignorant on such matters is your forte) and b) you know you’d get crushed like a bug…

And here are just a few of the things that you desperately don’t want to know about…

First, there is Romney’s claim that the 2009 stimulus passed by Congress and signed by President Obama “didn’t work”. According to Romney, “that stimulus didn’t put more private-sector people to work.” While one can quibble over whether the stimulus went far enough, the idea that it didn’t create private-sector jobs has no relationship to reality. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the stimulus bill created more than 3m jobs – a view shared by 80% of economists polled by the Chicago Booth School of Business (only 4% disagree).

How stupid a lie is that?

Romney also likes to argue that the stimulus didn’t help private-sector job growth, but rather helped preserve government jobs. In fact, the Obama years have been witness to massive cuts in government employment. While the private sector is not necessarily “doing fine”, as Obama said in a recent White House press conference, it’s doing a heck of a lot better than the public sector.

He knows that the truth is not necessary for you to kiss his ass, though.

Romney also accused Obama of raising taxes – in reality, they’ve gone down under his presidency, and largely because of that stimulus bill that Romney loves to criticize.

Keep kissing.

Romney took credit for the success of the auto bailout – even though he wrote an op-ed for the Washington Post titled “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt”.

Still puckering up, Ben?

He’s said repeatedly that businesses in America see Obama as the “enemy”, and that under his presidency “free enterprise” and economic freedom” are at risk of disappearing. In reality, since taking office, corporate profits, industrial production and the stock market are up, while corporate bankruptcies have actually decreased.

Your lips must be tired by now.

So go ahead and share Bill’s with me.

I’ve got dozens more from your severely conservative hero!

LOL…

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
4:33 pm

Thomas — “What, as country, do we say to the thousands of American citizens that are killed each year by illegal immigrants?”

Statistics, please?

Butch Cassidy

June 25th, 2012
4:34 pm

Thomas – “What, as country, do we say to the thousands of American citizens that are killed each year by illegal immigrants?”

I don’t know, the same thing you say to the thousands of American citizens that are killed by legal residents?

Erwin's cat

June 25th, 2012
4:34 pm

Jam…Mitt didn’t flip..he “evolved”

Oscar

June 25th, 2012
4:34 pm

thousands of American citizens that are killed each year by illegal immigrants?

________

Where did you come up with that stat. Are crime rates higher for illegals. didn’t know that.

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
4:34 pm

“However, to start insulting people’s families, particularly their GFs, wives or children is not acceptable.”

I agree and have experienced it myself. It came from a regular blogger on here who insulted my family. Jay should make it clear that engaging in those types of insulting remark will result in permanent removal from his blog regardless of who that blogger may be.

josef

June 25th, 2012
4:35 pm

BRUNO

YOU know what I’m talking about!

Mighty Righty

June 25th, 2012
4:35 pm

Homeland Security suspends immigration agreements with Arizona police

The Washington Times
Monday, June 25, 2012

The Obama administration said Monday it is suspending existing agreements with Arizona police over enforcement of federal immigration laws, and said it has issued a directive telling federal authorities to decline many of the calls reporting illegal immigrants that the Homeland Security Department may get from Arizona police.

Administration officials, speaking on condition they not be named, told reporters they expect to see an increase in the number of calls they get from Arizona police — but that won’t change President Obama’s decision to limit whom the government actually tries to detain and deport.

Isn’t this nice? More laws the Obamanazis refuse to enforce! We must play by their illegal rules or they will take their ball and go home. More evidence of how dangerous this administration is.

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
4:35 pm

Mr_B:

Parts of it were presented in April of2010.
After Nov. of 2010 there wasn’t any point, since Republican control the House and can freeze any action in the Senate.

So just saying it happened means it happened. Hmmm. ok… The date on the link you did produce was May 2011. How did he produce a plan in 2010 that wasn’t written until 2011. Let’s be clear I’m using your words now…

getalife

June 25th, 2012
4:35 pm

66 % Latino vote for President Obama.

25% willard.

Owned.

Mike

June 25th, 2012
4:35 pm

Romney, said “I believe that each state has the duty — and the right — to secure our borders and preserve the rule of law, particularly when the federal government has failed to meet its responsibilities”.

Yes but, only one Supreme Court justice agreed with him. This ruling will stand the test of time. Like it or not.

Romney should come up with a plan for the federal government to meet “its responsibilities”, and he should state what needs to cut from the budget, to pay for it. It is all about resource allocation, especially for tough times, and high deficits. Congress doesn’t have to wait for the next election to get it done. Please get something done.

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
4:36 pm

I think liberals honestly believe in their mind that if they read something on a leftwing blog or hear a foaming at the mouth pundit say it on TV it must be true…

Foaming at the mouth! That sounds so cool. Is that a show on that Fairly Unbalanced “news” channel.

Butch Cassidy

June 25th, 2012
4:36 pm

MIghty Righty – “Isn’t this nice?More laws the Obamanazis refuse to enforce!”

When are your parents coming for you?

Soothsayer

June 25th, 2012
4:37 pm

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
4:37 pm

Mr_B:

I don’t mean to put you on the spot but Obama has never and obviously will never produce an immigration plan to Congress… He has no intention to…

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
4:38 pm

“But the cost of health care IS determined by the people using it but not paying for it. ”

So is the cost of broccoli (to a much lesser extent, obviously). I am conservative and understand and agree the rationale behind some kind of mandate. But my idea (which is not new) is that people should be able to opt out if they are willing to sign a waiver (and possibly post a bond of some sort) for all insurance but catastrophic illness (unless they post a much larger bond). But at the same time, this doesn’t mean I think the government should be supervising health care. I do not trust it for that role.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
4:38 pm

“But the cost of health care IS determined by the people using it but not paying for it. ”

So is the cost of broccoli (to a much lesser extent, obviously). I am conservative and understand and agree the rationale behind some kind of mandate. But my idea (which is not new) is that people should be able to opt out if they are willing to sign a waiver (and possibly post a bond of some sort) for all insurance but catastrophic illness (unless they post a much larger bond). But at the same time, this doesn’t mean I think the government should be supervising health care. I do not trust it for that role.

josef

June 25th, 2012
4:39 pm

“…thousands of American citizens that are killed each year by illegal immigrants?”

Add me to that list who wants to know where you get those stats…

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
4:39 pm

Soothsayer:

Bush worked while at his ranch in Crawford.. That’s what many of you libs tend to forget. Obama has no place like that to go… Who the hell would want to go to Chicago???

Butch Cassidy

June 25th, 2012
4:40 pm

Joseph – “Who the hell would want to go to Chicago???”

Carl Sandberg?

Thomas

June 25th, 2012
4:40 pm

Where did you come up with that stat. Are crime rates higher for illegals. didn’t know that.

I didn’t- used google. Why are relative crime stats important or do we say “sorry, we failed in protecting you and your family but do know that illegals commit crime at the same rate as others- completely assinine.

Obama is over

June 25th, 2012
4:41 pm

Paul 2 4:17-
The Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus was appointed by Obama. He created the “Great Green Fleet” program. This program is different from the one you mistakenly pointed out. The Dept. of Defense experimented with biofuels as a defense mechanism merely by testing Air Force equipment to make sure it was compatible in the event that supply chains were disrupted from the Middle East. Rather than create trade agreements with friendly nations like Canada and Mexico, the Obama administration has decided to mandate the purchase of biofuels. GLOBAL biofuel production is 25,000 barrels a day. The Navy uses 1.2mm gallons of marine diesel per day. Regardless of when the idea was created, it was a stupid idea then and it is a stupid idea now. Cancelling this program now would save U.S. taxpayers millions. Unfortunately, that would require the President to admiy he made a mistake. Obama is too focussed on re-election to do anything positive for all Americans, he has to concentrate his time on fund raising and pandering to special interest voting blocs.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
4:41 pm

Hmm..I keep double posting for some reason. Malware?

Soothsayer

June 25th, 2012
4:42 pm

Butch Cassidy

June 25th, 2012
4:43 pm

Thomas – “Why are relative crime stats important or do we say “sorry, we failed in protecting you and your family ”

How about, “we wanted to protect you, but people kept voting down the police unions”.

josef

June 25th, 2012
4:44 pm

Well, Mississippi’s coming in last again…lowest average gas prices in the US ($3.03) in Jackson… :-)

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
4:45 pm

Let’s see if it happens in a different browser…

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
4:45 pm

Soothsayer:

Its easy to overlook when ideology trumps reality.. LOL…

Butch Cassidy

June 25th, 2012
4:45 pm

josef – “lowest average gas prices in the US ($3.03) in Jackson… ”

Damn, Obama must love Mississippi. Afterall, he lowered their gas prices first. :)

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
4:46 pm

Joseph — “Bush worked while at his ranch in Crawford.. That’s what many of you libs tend to forget.”

*All* Presidents work while they’re on vacation. However, it’s a matter of historical fact that President Bush spent a *lot* of time away from the White House; certainly more in his first term than President Obama has spent in his term so far.

“Obama has no place like that to go…”

Says you.

“Who the hell would want to go to Chicago???

I would. I love traveling around our great country. Every city and every region has something fantastic to offer.

Mighty Righty

June 25th, 2012
4:47 pm

For those who are memory challenged, here is a reminder of how the Holder no justice department works. BTW the actual video can be viewed on YOU Tube.

Who pressured Justice to drop case against voter intimidation in Philly? After screaming for 8 years about Bush “politicizing” the Justice Department, it appears that there is a clear cut case of interference in a legitimate prosecution of the New Black Panther Party for intimidating voters at a polling station in 2008 by Obama appointees.

Charges Against ‘New Black Panthers’ Dropped by Obama Justice Dept.. Charges brought against three members of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense under the Bush administration have been dropped by the Obama Justice Department, FOX News has learned. The charges stemmed from an incident at a Philadelphia polling place on Election Day 2008 when three members of the party were accused of trying to threaten voters and block poll and campaign workers by the threat of force — one even brandishing what prosecutors call a deadly weapon.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
4:49 pm

Butch Cassidy

June 25th, 2012
4:49 pm

MIghty Righty – “For those who are memory challenged, here is a reminder of how the Holder no justice department works. BTW the actual video can be viewed on YOU Tube.”

Will someone please remember to tuck Mighty Righty in and let him know that everything will be alright?

josef

June 25th, 2012
4:50 pm

Obama/Over

Be very careful what you say…Mabus is the anti Christ…if you don’t believe it, google it!

Sarah Gee

June 25th, 2012
4:51 pm

Jay got his talking points up quick…right on que. It’s convient for the progressives to have an obedient lap dog on the editorial board of the AJC.

Butch Cassidy

June 25th, 2012
4:52 pm

Sarah Gee – “It’s convient for the progressives to have an obedient lap dog on the editorial board of the AJC.”

So pitch your case for Wingfield and maybe the AJC will get you a lap dog too.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
4:52 pm

Paul

June 25th, 2012
4:53 pm

Obama is over

I read “The Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus was appointed by Obama” and thought “what part of “the DoD had a massive, multimillion-dollar biofuels research program before the Obama Administration came to power” doe Obama is over not understand?

What part of “the Air Force” does he not understand?

Then I kept reading and saw your assertion that Obama’s appointee’s effort is ‘different’ from everything that went before. Then I got to “The Dept. of Defense experimented with biofuels as a defense mechanism merely by testing Air Force equipment to make sure it was compatible in the event that supply chains were disrupted from the Middle East”

and I’m almost afraid to ask: you have cites of DARPA and Navy/AF agreements with industry to support this…. claim?

It is absolutely astounding to me the lengths some will go to do misrepresent fact and highlight ignorance all because they can’t stand Obama.

josef

June 25th, 2012
4:54 pm

BUTCH

“Damn, Obama must love Mississippi. Afterall, he lowered their gas prices first.”

Well, he’s half-black and so’s Mississippi! :-)

Butch Cassidy

June 25th, 2012
4:56 pm

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
4:56 pm

Mighty Righty

June 25th, 2012
4:56 pm

http://www.cis.org/ImmigrantCrime

For those who are wondering whether immigration increases crime rates. An interesting aside is that since all illegal immigrants are in fact illegal then the crime rate amoung illegals must be 100%.

Mr_B

June 25th, 2012
4:57 pm

Joseph:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/29/AR2010042904512.html

“PARTS of it were presented in April of2010.” Seems fairly easy to understand. The White House statement endorsed an existing Senate plan and expanded it.

Not hard to find, really.

“will never produce an immigration plan to Congress… He has no intention to…”

Oh. You got a source in the White House?

Radical usally means Lefty

June 25th, 2012
4:57 pm

What exactly is “radical” about Justice Scalia’s dissent? That he didn’t agree with a middle of the road decision about an important issue? That he chastised someone (the Executive branch) that doesn’t do its job?

Oliver Wendell Holmes was in favor of sterilizing all those with mental deficiencies (”three generations of imbeciles is enough”), minorities, and was a committed eugenecist..isn’t that a wee bit more ‘radical’? In Buck vs. Bell, 8 mostly Progressive judges had no problem writing off segments of the population as undesirable. But Holmes was a Progressive, so he can’t be wrong, right?

Joe the Plutocrat

June 25th, 2012
4:58 pm

Ben, please tell me when you graduate from high school. Japan invaded US on December 7, 1941. The United States declared war on Japan, which prompted Germany (and Italy, snicker) to declare war on the United States. Be that as it may; it’s the 21st century. now, if you you argued Obama “invaded” Pakistan (bin Laden raid) and Djbouti (Horn of Africa) you might have scored some points; even if these “invasions” involve a couple hundred troops or less; and in the case of Pakistan, lonly lasted about 12 hours; but I digress.

Butch Cassidy

June 25th, 2012
4:58 pm

MIghty Righty – “since all illegal immigrants are in fact illegal then the crime rate amoung illegals must be 100%.”

Then I’m sure the Native American population will feel a whole lot safer after you leave.

Paul

June 25th, 2012
4:59 pm

Obama is over

I did a quick search to see where your phrases popped up.

You really should read publications in addition to Barron’s.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
5:00 pm

Righty — “An interesting aside is that since all illegal immigrants are in fact illegal then the crime rate amoung illegals must be 100%.”

Nope. I’ve told you this before. Being an undocumented alien in the US is a *violation,* not a crime. In fact, it’s a violation on the order of driving a car without license and registration — it’s a *document* offense.

Hopefully, that will get through your skull this time and I can go back to ignoring you.

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
5:00 pm

Add me to that list who wants to know where you get those stats…

http://tinyurl.com/3989j2r

It turns out taht that meme was popular on the idiotic freerepublic website back in 2007…

Go figure…

Thomas

June 25th, 2012
5:00 pm

How about, “we wanted to protect you, but people kept voting down the police unions

Perhaps the most ignorant thing I have read that wasn’t from Cheney or Rumsfeld.

Per Butch- no one is a victim of a crime- you perpetrated the crime by voting down unions.

If it wasn’t so sad it would be funny.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:01 pm

“Oliver Wendell Holmes was in favor of sterilizing all those with mental deficiencies (”three generations of imbeciles is enough”), minorities, and was a committed eugenecist..isn’t that a wee bit more ‘radical’? In Buck vs. Bell, 8 mostly Progressive judges had no problem writing off segments of the population as undesirable. But Holmes was a Progressive, so he can’t be wrong, right?”

Let’s not point to facts such as these as it tends to undermine Jay’s assessment of Scalia.

Mr_B

June 25th, 2012
5:02 pm

“An interesting aside is that since all illegal immigrants are in fact illegal then the crime rate amoung illegals must be 100%.” Aside from the fact that to be present in the US with proper documentation is a civil, rather than criminal offense…..

The crime rate among any immigrant group exceeds the native population because the majority of immigrants are young single males; the same people who commit most crimes in the general population. See Italian gangs, Jewish gangs, Irish gangs, Chinese gangs, etc.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:03 pm

“Being an undocumented alien in the US is a *violation,* not a crime. In fact, it’s a violation on the order of driving a car without license and registration — it’s a *document* offense.”

Which, of course, is part of the problem. If I enter someone’s house without permission, it is NOT “document offense”.

josef

June 25th, 2012
5:04 pm

JOE the P

Well, to be more exact, the US has stationed troops in Djibouti at the request of the Djibouti government to help combat terrorism…

tireofit

June 25th, 2012
5:07 pm

Thomas – “What, as country, do we say to the thousands of American citizens that are killed each year by illegal immigrants?”

Ask the drunks, they kill over 10,000 people a year.

catlady

June 25th, 2012
5:08 pm

Is anyone surprised? The Rommer needs to check carefully before he “decides”; he doesn’t want to change his “thinking” on this.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:10 pm

“The Rommer needs to check carefully before he “decides”; he doesn’t want to change his “thinking” on this…”

Maybe he could just let it “evolve”.

Joe the Plutocrat

June 25th, 2012
5:10 pm

josef, I understand. I was playing “soft toss” with Ben. I do not believe the U.S. troops who took out bin Laden, or the troops in Djibouti, or those presently hunting Joseph Kony to be “invaders”. Of course, one might argue that the two Bush boondoggles were part of his “global war on terrorism” (even if we were not invited). But as I said; comparing US participation in WWII (we were among the last major power to enter the war) with Afghanistan and Iraq is silly. A more accurate analogy would have been for the U.S. to invade China, because Japanese troops were stationed in Manchuria on December 7, ‘41.

deegee

June 25th, 2012
5:10 pm

I am so bored with the “entering someone’s house without permission” analogy. What if someone in your house offered them a job, a place to sleep, and a future for their children? What then?

Mighty Righty

June 25th, 2012
5:15 pm

I can’t blame Obama for this. This is an outrage and should not be allowed to stand. All fair minded people need to be aware of this stupidity.

Mom given bill to clean street after son killed by illegal immigrant driving drunk
Published June 25, 2012
FoxNews.com

GREENVILLE, SC – A grieving mother told a South Carolina court she was slapped with several bills, including one to clean the street after her son was killed by a drunken driver last year.

Loretta Robinson spoke on June 19 of the emotional and financial toll her son Justin Walker’s death had on her as the driver Anna Gonzales, who is an illegal immigrant, pleaded guilty in the case.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:16 pm

“I am so bored with the “entering someone’s house without permission” analogy.”

Because it is irrefutable?

“What if someone in your house offered them a job, a place to sleep, and a future for their children? What then?”

It wouldn’t be the first time someone has lied or made false promises (can you say “politician”?) and wouldn’t be the last. Besides, are you trying to suggest that the illegal immigrants here are innocent, naive people who were somehow duped into thinking if they crossed a the border of a sovereign country illegally by sneaking it through tunnels, packed in a container or at night across the desert then all would be good? Please tell me you’re kidding…

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:18 pm

“A grieving mother told a South Carolina court she was slapped with several bills, including one to clean the street after her son was killed by a drunken driver last year.”

That is government working for you at its best.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
5:20 pm

Towncrier — “Which, of course, is part of the problem. If I enter someone’s house without permission, it is NOT “document offense”.

That’s true, but this is how our government has seen fit to handle the matter. You’re certainly free, though, to press your elected representatives to change things.

I’m not saying I agree or disagree with it — just stating the facts.

pogo

June 25th, 2012
5:20 pm

Headline; “Justin Beaber collapses after concert”. It was later found that he was suffering from a severe case of lack of attention due to his incredibly shrinking fan base who happening to be growing up. And they are not being replaced.

The desperation amongst the liberals is palpable. Jay and Luckovich are in an absolute “lashing out at anything republican” frenzy. I encourage all to read The Amateur to understand what was elected in 2008. Even the black leaders in Chicago who supported him in the early days have turned on Obama. They soon found out that they were used by him and that Obama was and is only concerned about one thing and that is himself. He is not concerned with this country, its people or anybody else. He is only concerned about his legacy. At this point, he doesn’t have a legacy, he has a fiasco. Early on, he knew that he could only be elected because of his skin color and he chose to use it to his full advantage and in the course of this, he used many, many people who wanted to believe in him. He was not a competent state Senator nor a decent US Senator. Of course, I don’t expect Obama supporters to read the book because they do not want to know the truth about their messiah.

Ray

June 25th, 2012
5:20 pm

Scalia is beyond ridiculous. He needs to retire and go play cards at the country club.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 25th, 2012
5:21 pm

I’m out — all be well and drive safely.

Joe the Plutocrat

June 25th, 2012
5:22 pm

OK folks, let’s be honest. the term “illegal immigrants” is poli-speak. these people are undocumented workers. their presence in the United States is no different than the thousands of students, wannabe actors, ski bums, and other Asian, European, and African workers who call the United States home. It is very simple; as noted my many others, make it illegal to hire undocumented workers; or require employers to hire whomever they like, as long as they secure the proper (legal) “documentation” (MLB franchises do it all the time).

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
5:23 pm

TC

It is all about supply and demand……. There is a demand therefore the supply will be met.

No different than the weak drug war that we have been engaging in for 40 yrs.

I can honestly say that Scout more than another who wants illegals gone has always mentioned the business owners that hire illegals and how we have failed to properly go after them.

Regardless of one’s stance on the issue, the illegals are the result not the cause. The catalyst more than anything are the employers.

Billybob

June 25th, 2012
5:23 pm

……and bookman plays liberal political hack…..enough said, see nov 7th……

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:23 pm

“That’s true, but this is how our government has seen fit to handle the matter. You’re certainly free, though, to press your elected representatives to change things.”

Yes, perhaps because elected officials on both sides of the isle never meant to take the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 seriously (and obviously). I suppose that will all change when an illegal immigrant they don’t deport turns out to be a terrorist who sets off a nuclear dirty bomb. I guess there will be no end to the hearings then…

Jefferson

June 25th, 2012
5:25 pm

Scalia reminds me of the cat on “One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest”

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:25 pm

“Regardless of one’s stance on the issue, the illegals are the result not the cause. The catalyst more than anything are the employers.”

I would tend to agree with you here, TBS.

Joe the Plutocrat

June 25th, 2012
5:25 pm

FYI, Justin Bieber is a freaking Canadian! He was “invited into this house” by the dream of becoming a pathetic pop star. He took a job from some hardworking, tax-paying American wannabe pop star.

Arthur Nielsen

June 25th, 2012
5:27 pm

“a terrorist who sets off a nuclear dirty bomb.”

Apocalypse porn.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:27 pm

“I can honestly say that Scout more than another who wants illegals gone has always mentioned the business owners that hire illegals and how we have failed to properly go after them.”

BTW, I don’t want them gone – I just want people to be here legally and fairly (however that come to happen). It is indisputably the right thing.

Billybob

June 25th, 2012
5:27 pm

our federal gov’t not controlling people illegally entering our country is the cause and the result tbs…..liberal politicians looking for victims and votes is also a cause of the problem, republicans are at fault as well but don’t pander for votes over the issue…..

Joe the Plutocrat

June 25th, 2012
5:27 pm

Jefferson, do you mean “I bet a nickel” Martini (aka Danny DeVito)?

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:28 pm

“Apocalypse porn.”

You mean like flying jets into the WTC?

pogo

June 25th, 2012
5:28 pm

Obama just loves inviting known terrorists to the Whitehouse, doesn’t he?His latest is Egyptian terrorist Hani Nour Eldin. Now why would an American president condone visits to our Capital from known terrorists? I think the man actually relates to them.

Joe the Plutocrat

June 25th, 2012
5:29 pm

did somebody set off a dirty bomb recently?

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 25th, 2012
5:30 pm

My parents are housing a family that needs to save money for Surgery on the child’s deformed foot

They were invited

Goverment involvement: none

Arthur Nielsen

June 25th, 2012
5:30 pm

“You mean like flying jets into the WTC?”

The world ended that day?

josef

June 25th, 2012
5:30 pm

JOE P

Understood. Djibouti is an interesting little corner of the world. Off the radar, but they seem to making all the right moves.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:31 pm

“It is very simple; as noted my many others, make it illegal to hire undocumented workers; or require employers to hire whomever they like, as long as they secure the proper (legal) “documentation” (MLB franchises do it all the time).”

Are you familiar with this piece of legislation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

All I can say is, “what happened”?

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
5:32 pm

TC @ 5:25

Thanks for the reply. I want the border tightened up and those here to receive some sort of work visa and set a date where any employer found employing those without proper credentials are fined out the a$$………….. however I doubt we will see that much

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:32 pm

“The world ended that day?”

Do you know what a so-called “dirty bomb” is and what its effect might be?

getalife

June 25th, 2012
5:32 pm

“did somebody set off a dirty bomb recently?”

Yeah, citizen united.

Joe the Plutocrat

June 25th, 2012
5:33 pm

Towncrier. Interesting thread. do you know how many of the 9/11 terrorists were here “illegally” vis a vis how many were here legally? AND, in the case of those here illegally; why didn’t the Bush White House demonstrate leadership in terms of immigration reform and round them up to be deported? don’t tell Soothsayer (or Charlie Sheen) I said this, but one might think the U.S. government WANTS an illegal immigrant to detonate a dirty bomb.

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
5:34 pm

Billybob

All politicians pander. It is funny to even bring up pandering. Obama does it, Romney does…….. on and on and on

As for Obama attempting to shore up what was already going to be a win in terms of the Latino vote, yes that is what he was doing the other week

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:34 pm

They BOTH suck @ 5:32

Buddy, I think you and I (and josef and some others here) are pretty much in agreement about the immigration problem and how to possibly solve it.

Arthur Nielsen

June 25th, 2012
5:34 pm

“Do you know what a so-called “dirty bomb” is and what its effect might be?”

The flying jets in the WTC were dirty bombs?

josef

June 25th, 2012
5:35 pm

TOWNCRIER

Like you and I were saying the other day, this is not a partisan issue. If you and I (of all people!) can find common ground, then so can the politicians. That they don’t means they just flat ain’t listening to folks like me and you…

Joe the Plutocrat

June 25th, 2012
5:35 pm

yep, that was Reagan’s amnesty. but to your point; by what happened? do you mean with Bush 41 and Bush 43; or what happened with Clinton and Obama?

getalife

June 25th, 2012
5:35 pm

Money is free speech and corporations are people that can bribe politicians with unlimited legalized bribes.

This period in American history will be the corrupt generation with no moral compass.

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
5:36 pm

Billybob

I assume you are voting for Romney. Whether you wish to admit it or not, he has worn out more taps on the bottom of his shoes than he can count. Yes, because he panders

Joe the Plutocrat

June 25th, 2012
5:38 pm

josef, it is not possible for a politician to find “common ground” beyond their own party/ideological herd. this is why we have the mess we have. don’t trust me? read this. this guy nails it. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-congress-doesnt-work/

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:40 pm

Joe the Plutocrat @ 5:33

The consequence of not criminalizing illegal immigration and strictly enforcing immigration laws is that, sooner or later, bad things are going to happen (as you point out they did with 9/11). I think all of the presidents and members of Congress since 1986 have been complicit in failing to do the right thing. It is comparable to us not finding a viable alternative energy resource after we saw the writing on the wall in 1973 with the oil embargo. But is certainly is human nature, isn’t it?

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:41 pm

“Like you and I were saying the other day, this is not a partisan issue. If you and I (of all people!) can find common ground, then so can the politicians. That they don’t means they just flat ain’t listening to folks like me and you…”

I concur wholeheartedly, my friend.

That Black Guy

June 25th, 2012
5:41 pm

Mr_B

June 25th, 2012
4:32 pm
“In other news, President Obama played his 101st round of golf yesterday. Bush played 32 rounds in 8 years.”

NEWSFLASH!!!!! Obama enjoys golf more than Bush did!!!!!! Plays better basketball too.
____________________________________________________________

And you KNOW this how?

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:42 pm

“The flying jets in the WTC were dirty bombs?”

Hoo-boy. Try a Google search, then.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:43 pm

““In other news, President Obama played his 101st round of golf yesterday. Bush played 32 rounds in 8 years.”

I think Obama would just say he has more “game” ;-)

carlosgvv

June 25th, 2012
5:43 pm

Butch Cassidy – 4:58 – “the Native American population”

Since America has been a country for over 200 years, I believe all of us born here are “native Americans”.

Of course, if you want to “go back where you came from”, Delta is ready when you are.

Arthur Nielsen

June 25th, 2012
5:44 pm

“Hoo-boy. Try a Google search, then.”

A Google search is a dirty bomb?

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
5:44 pm

TBG @ 5:41

How does Mr B if Bush Jr can or can’t drain the 3 or run the point for that matter?

That Black Guy

June 25th, 2012
5:44 pm

getalife

June 25th, 2012
4:35 pm
66 % Latino vote for President Obama.

25% willard.

Owned.
_____________________________________________________
The election is over?

How late DID I sleep this morning? :lol:

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
5:45 pm

An only child, Antonin Scalia was born in Trenton, New Jersey, on March 11, 1936.[1] His father, Salvatore Eugene Scalia, was an immigrant from Sicily who was a graduate student and clerk at the time of his son’s birth, but who later became a professor of Romance languages at Brooklyn College.[2] His mother, Catherine Scalia (née Panaro), was born in the United States to Italian immigrant parents, and worked as an elementary school teacher.[2]

Were Scalia’s parents legal immigrants. Perhaps Scalia should self-deport.

That Black Guy

June 25th, 2012
5:45 pm

TBS, what’s good my man?

Had a good weekend I hope.

Billybob

June 25th, 2012
5:46 pm

tbs,
i will not vote for obama, and the continued push for conservatives to be elected this fall will cause serious pains for the republican establishment which i suspect romney is part of……this is the shift that is taking place as we speak…the key is to get the leftists like obama and reid out of power, they have shown their cards and it is not what the marketing plan pretended they were when they assumned power…..

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
5:48 pm

“A Google search is a dirty bomb?”

No, but getalife posing as a different poster is…

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
5:49 pm

TC

The Obama played golf for the “umpteenth” time is as played out as when the Dems cried each time Bush went to Camp David or to Texas imo.

While I think he will win by a slime margin, Obama is surely beatable, however the number of times he played golf for the most part only plays with those that were not voting for him…. period. Same as Bush and his time off.

Great to rile up the base…….. at best, not much more

josef

June 25th, 2012
5:50 pm

JOE P

Thanks for that link…I scanned over it and it looks really interesting. I’ll be coming back to it.

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
5:54 pm

Billbob

Thanks for the reply. Yes, if you have looked over Romney’s numerous changes and evolutions since Governor and even after until now, he is more the Country Club set than Tea Party. I have not once begrudged him of his earnings, nor will l. I just don’t like the fact that he is running right on many issues nor do I really like his economic platform to be honest. You may like those things.

As for the conservative push, it will last for a few more elections and could even eclipse Obama, but if those same people don’t do more “outreach”, demographics will catch up……… like that or not.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
5:54 pm

Ok I have gone through a couple of pages, and I saw more than one person post Obama’s immigration plan. And I saw no conservative acknowledge it. Did that change in the last few pages?

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
5:55 pm

TBG

Weekend was good. Hung out with the gf on Friday and Sunday. Went out with the boys for some beers on Saturday.

Hope you are doing well and had a great weekend

Adam

June 25th, 2012
5:56 pm

Peadawg: So only people who have/will vote for Obama can have an opinion and care about what he does?

No, it means that you don’t care about those promises and have different goals than the ones he proposes. I suggest that if you don’t want what he offers, you vote for someone else, and stop complaining that he hasn’t kept promises that you don’t want to have happen anyway. THAT is my point.

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
5:57 pm

“slim margin”

But “slime” may be what it is called if he wins and the voter fraud accusations coming flying out…….

“slime margin”

hahahahahah

:-0

Rex

June 25th, 2012
5:57 pm

Do we really have a Supreme Court justice who thinks the US is a collection of “independent states” with “sovereign powers”? Wasn’t this misconception cleared up back in the 1860s?

Adam

June 25th, 2012
5:58 pm

Peadawg, They BOTH suck, Jm: In other words, if you don’t like Obama’s promises, stop complaining that he hasn’t kept them. If you DO like his promises, I can see why you’d complain. I don’t like Romney’s promises to do certain things, some of which he did not do as Governor. However, I criticize him for those policies, not for not keeping a promise that would have solidified those policies into law.

josef

June 25th, 2012
5:59 pm

BOTH

I was going to comment on your Freudian slip! :-)

Soothsayer

June 25th, 2012
5:59 pm

josef

June 25th, 2012
6:01 pm

REX

Just for the sake of EOI it wasn’t cleared up…it was pretty much settled, but cleared up? Not at all…

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
6:01 pm

josef

About spit water out of my mouth when I reread it…..

:-)

Paul

June 25th, 2012
6:02 pm

Adam 5:54

“And I saw no conservative acknowledge it. Did that change in the last few pages?”

Only if you consider silence and departing to be acknowledgement.

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
6:04 pm

josef

For the countries sake and especially those seeking employment, I hope the economy starts gaining more steam and soon. (Might be wishful thinking but still a good wish) If it is a boom of some sort, watch and listen to how quick these issues die down to a few voices as compared to now

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
6:06 pm

country’s sake

Need to do one thing at a time. Multi tasking on two computers is not my thing. Now let me go reread a work email I was working on before I really mess up something

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 25th, 2012
6:06 pm

America permits more than a million new immigrants every year, far more than any other country in the world

If we kicked all the illegal immigrants out, we’d still be the most generous country on the planet

Adam

June 25th, 2012
6:09 pm

Only if you consider silence and departing to be acknowledgement.

I don’t. But I do consider changing the subject and continuing to speak on other issues as dodging. Silence on a blog, in total, can mean they just went home or something (don’t think I don’t know you’re doing this at work too, conservatives… assuming you aren’t in a tent somewhere :D )

Liberal Pariah

June 25th, 2012
6:10 pm

Hey Taxpayer…Scalia’s parents were LEGAL IMMIGRANTS…jeez

That Black Guy

June 25th, 2012
6:12 pm

Arthur Nielsen

June 25th, 2012
5:30 pm
“You mean like flying jets into the WTC?”

The world ended that day?
_____________________________________
For 3,000+, yes, in fact it did.

josef

June 25th, 2012
6:13 pm

BOTH
@ 6:04

Yep. Gotta blame some-group-no-mine.

That Black Guy

June 25th, 2012
6:14 pm

getalife

June 25th, 2012
5:32 pm
“did somebody set off a dirty bomb recently?”

Yeah, citizen united.
____________________________

Good one. :lol:

josef

June 25th, 2012
6:20 pm

While I haven’t had time to read the decision closely, on first scan it seems it can be boiled down to: “this is a federal issue. Got a problem? Take it up with Washington.”

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

June 25th, 2012
6:21 pm

Scalia for President!

Bud Wiser

June 25th, 2012
6:28 pm

I think that after Romney is elected President, we, as Americans, will at long last have a President with the gonads to enforce the law, not become some sort of political weasel like this sap we have right now.

The fact that Arizona had to go to the lengths that it did, albeit in the eyes of SCOTUS the wrong ones, that in itself highlights yet again what an abysmal ‘leader’ Obama is, and showing yet another failure of a president he has become.

Tearing down Obamacare is next, probably on Thursday.

Hussein’s “signature legislatiuon” will be a signature all right, one on his one way ticket out of town come November.

What an idiot, what a laughing stock, a fool, this incapable and overmatched tool this Obama character is revealed to be.

I am laughing at his so-called superiority.

Too bad Columbia will never release his alleged transcripts so we can see yet again just how stupid this punk really is.

Paulo977

June 25th, 2012
6:28 pm

Oscar

June 25th, 2012
2:20 pm

Sover­eign states. Did someone just change the clock back to 1835
____________________________________________________

Who would have thought it!!!!

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
6:28 pm

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/issues/public-opinion/americans-oppose-amnesty.html

Just like Obamacare a majority of americans are against making it easier on illegals. A majority of americans voting against obama’s policies = Romney as president!!

josef

June 25th, 2012
6:30 pm

BUD

You don’t like Obama very much, do you?

That Black Guy

June 25th, 2012
6:31 pm

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
6:06 pm
country’s sake

Need to do one thing at a time. Multi tasking on two computers is not my thing. Now let me go reread a work email I was working on before I really mess up something
__________________________________________________________
Yeah, it would suck to call your boss or client a azzhatted troglodyte by mistake, thinking you were replying to someone here. :lol:

Paulo977

June 25th, 2012
6:34 pm

Adam
suggest that if you don’t want what he offers, you vote for someone else, and stop complaining that he hasn’t kept promises that you don’t want to have happen anyway. THAT is my point.
___________________________________________________

Ha Ha Ha ……..did he mean to be funny? The who lot of

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
6:35 pm

“The Obama played golf for the “umpteenth” time is as played out as when the Dems cried each time Bush went to Camp David or to Texas imo.”

I was merely being facetious in my response, TBS. I don’t have a big problem with him playing golf a hundred time in 3.5 years – less than once a week.

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
6:37 pm

TC

I know you you are not a fan of his policies, but figured that issue wasn’t much of a concern of yours. I was just pointing out how both sides get worked up over nothing when it comes to the golf and vacation issue.

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
6:38 pm

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
6:39 pm

“Do we really have a Supreme Court justice who thinks the US is a collection of “independent states” with “sovereign powers”? Wasn’t this misconception cleared up back in the 1860s?”

The concept of federalism in our country has evolved over time and there is still a lot of debate on where lines of power should properly be drawn.

Sandra

June 25th, 2012
6:40 pm

Bruno,
Who do you think pays for people who don’t have insurance now? It’s not the insurance company profits that’s for sure. Besides, this isn’t a public option? Why do you feel it’s o.k. to require car insurance and not health insurance which everyone uses at some point. I’m really tired of you self-serving people who think you are the only ones who can tell other people what to do! I’ll bet you are one of those who thinks a woman should have no choice in her health care decisions. Hypocrite is primarily what I call people like you.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
6:41 pm

“I know you you are not a fan of his policies, but figured that issue wasn’t much of a concern of yours. I was just pointing out how both sides get worked up over nothing when it comes to the golf and vacation issue.”

Agreed, TBS. And for the record, I would likely vote for Obama any day over RFK, LBJ or Nixon (knowing what I know now) or would not vote at all.

That Black Guy

June 25th, 2012
6:42 pm

Sandra

June 25th, 2012
6:40 pm
_______________
Sandra, you might want to rethink that particular line of attack.

Just sayin’…

St Simons - he-ne-ha

June 25th, 2012
6:43 pm

Will Scalia throw his 40 year career of expanding the commerce clause
in the trash for Freedumwerks & the Kochs?

‘A justice who does not honor stare decisis is not qualified to
be a supreme court justice.’ – Antonin Scalia

Touche, 3 stooges, touche.
and your home ground sends you a big salute, Clarence.
a big one. no, really, a big one.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
6:46 pm

“Sandra, you might want to rethink that particular line of attack.”

It seems it was more a vent than an attempt to persuade, TBG.

That Black Guy

June 25th, 2012
6:47 pm

Sandra

June 25th, 2012
6:40 pm
Bruno,
Who do you think pays for people who don’t have insurance now? – The same people that will pay for it if ACA is upheld.

It’s not the insurance company profits that’s for sure. – Which will INCREASE if ACA is upheld.

Besides, this isn’t a public option? – I wish it was.

Why do you feel it’s o.k. to require car insurance – If you don’t have a car or drive on public roads, you are not required to purchase car insurance. But you knew that.

and not health insurance which everyone uses at some point. – not true. Some self insure, pay out of pocket.

F. Sinkwich

June 25th, 2012
6:48 pm

“I’ll bet you are one of those who thinks a woman should have no choice in her health care decisions.”

Statements like this one are so tedious.

Name ONE, Sandra.

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
6:48 pm

Sandra,

Occupy Wall Street wasn’t born in time for the 2009 health care debate. But that debate was a quintessential display of the power and privilege of the 1 percent.

Drug and insurance firms dictated the terms of reform: “do it our way or do nothing at all.” The result was a lopsided bargain: the American people were allowed to expand Medicaid, ship a few scraps to community health centers and impose feeble insurance regulations.

Insurers got hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars and a mandate ordering the middle class to buy their defective products.

These are the facts.

The United States stands ALONE among industrialized nations in not providing health coverage to all of its citizens. Currently, 46 million Americans lack health coverage.

Approximately 50,000 annual deaths occur in the US from the lack of insurance.

There about 800,000 medical bankruptcies each year, mostly among families with coverage.

A continuing spiral of rising costs and shrinking coverage; and continuing assaults on Medicare. But we need not meekly acquiesce to the dictates of the 1 percent.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/06/17/what-will-change-after-the-supreme-courts-health-care-ruling/fight-instead-for-a-single-payer-system-8

That Black Guy

June 25th, 2012
6:50 pm

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
6:46 pm
“Sandra, you might want to rethink that particular line of attack.”

It seems it was more a vent than an attempt to persuade, TBG.
________________________________________________
I think you may be right.

But she did get all the talkingpoints in tho. At least she can be proud of that.

DwayneL

June 25th, 2012
6:51 pm

Every state has a right to defend it’s borders and people and that means keeping illegal alien criminals OUT!

Midori

June 25th, 2012
6:54 pm

Mitt has finally spoken up:

WASHINGTON — Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney expressed disappointment Monday with the Supreme Court’s ruling on an Arizona immigration law, saying more latitude, not less, should be given to the states.

After he and his staff repeatedly dodged questions on his thoughts on the opinion, Romney finally gave a more specific comment when speaking with reporters on Monday afternoon, according to a pool report.

The Supreme Court ruled earlier in the day that key provisions of Arizona immigration law SB 1070 were unconstitutional, but upheld one of the most controversial elements of the law.

“Now you probably heard today there was a Supreme Court decision relating to immigration and, you know, given the failure of the immigration policy in this country, I would have preferred to see the Supreme Court give more latitude to the states not less,” Romney said in Arizona, according to the pool report. “And there are states now under this decision have less authority, less latitude, to enforce immigration laws.”

Bud Wiser

June 25th, 2012
6:55 pm


josef

June 25th, 2012
6:30 pm

BUD

You don’t like Obama very much, do you?

In short, no.

If however, he’d transport me and my family aboard Air Force One on one of those multi-million dollar golf junkets to Hawaii, I’d go, and I’d buy the beer.

My understanding that, unlike Bill Clinton, Obama doesn’t cheat at golf (kinda surprising really, considering his collection of character and ethical flaws).

But no, I do not like him.

I don’t particularly like any politician that says one thing and does another, that ALWAYS blames his own failures on others, and doesn’t have the spine to fire those who work for him and make him look even more incompetent than he really is, and his past and present associations.

But a guy that doesn’t cheat at golf may still have some good in him somewhere; we just haven’t seen it yet, and his one term is coming rapidly to a close.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
6:55 pm

“Some self insure, pay out of pocket.”

The way I see it, TBG, as long as hospitals or clinics are required by law to not turn away patients, then there is and has been the possibility of people taking something for nothing – which is simply not right. Medical insurance should therefore instead be 1) required unless you sign a waiver and post a bond of some amount 2) cheap and 3) available to all. But in saying that much, I am not saying I believe the federal government is capable of effectively and properly overseeing our medical care, the VA’s success at times notwithstanding (as the VA has not always been good and is not in some instances even now).

F. Sinkwich

June 25th, 2012
6:56 pm

“The United States stands ALONE among industrialized nations in not providing health coverage to all of its citizens.”

Good.

We maintain our exceptionalism by condemning socialistic policies of losers.

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
6:56 pm

I’ll bet you are one of those who thinks a woman should have no choice in her health care decisions.

Are you referring to the “talking point” about hundreds and hundreds of pieces of proposed legislation by Republican men, aka the Masters of the Uterus, in numerous US states? In the past few years alone?

Some of which are so despicable and heinous – refer to the demented Terry England right here in Georgia – that they are right out of the 1700s.

And because the neocons have grown very sensitive over the phrase the GOP War on Women (though I believe that it is completely accurate), I have renamed it the Republican Full Scale Legislative Assault on Women’s Rights.

After all, they are just sluts, prostitutes and FemiNazis, right? And Rush wants the videos…

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
6:58 pm

Scalia’s parents were LEGAL IMMIGRANTS…jeez

I’ll have to see their papers, Pariah…jeez

josef

June 25th, 2012
6:59 pm

“DwayneL
June 25th, 2012
6:51 pm

Every state has a right to defend it’s borders and people and that means keeping illegal alien criminals OUT!”

********
Really? Wow I was unaware of that. YANKEE GO HOME! :-)

F. Sinkwich

June 25th, 2012
7:00 pm

“Approximately 50,000 annual deaths occur in the US from the lack of insurance.”

Since you’re such an expert, Jammie, please name, say, 1%.

Can’t?

Didn’t think you could. You’re just another Chicken Little, the mascot of lib ilks.

TGT

June 25th, 2012
7:02 pm

Scalia plays politician; Romney plays possum; and Obama plays the hypocrite:

We are a “better nation” than one that aborts–I mean deports–innocent young children.

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
7:03 pm

Since you’re such an expert, Jammie, please name, say, 1%.

That one’s easy. It’s 500.

josef

June 25th, 2012
7:04 pm

SINKWICH

“You’re just another Chicken Little…”

Well, as the l’il ones say, “takes one to know one.”

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
7:06 pm

josef

Couldn’t have said it better……….

TGT

June 25th, 2012
7:07 pm

George Washington was a “One Percenter.”

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
7:07 pm

Did someone say innocent young children. I don’t believe those were aborted.

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
7:08 pm

Frank Burns! They let you out of the sanitarium for awhile. There is still some sunlight left; you should go out and ride around on your tricycle with the other kids.

Under this clusterf&ck of a healthcare system that we are forced to endure, there is $400,000,000,000.00 wasted each and every year on insurers’ overhead and the paperwork burden they impose on doctors and hospitals.

In other words, over 30 cents out of every dollar spent in this country on “healthcare” is for the worst, most corrupt, wasteful and inept bureaucracy of paper pushers and claim deniers that dirty money can buy…

Doggone/GA

June 25th, 2012
7:09 pm

That Black Guy – you still here?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 25th, 2012
7:10 pm

Here’s what’s GREAT about today’s immigration law ruling:

1) It allows the State of Arizona (and other states) to check for illegal immigration based on probable cause as long as the “stop” is lawful.

2) Once we have a new, sane administration …….. our new president will tell his DHS Secretary to COOPERATE with Arizona !!!

3) BINGO !!!

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
7:11 pm

Sink

Obama is coming to see you tomorrow. Pick up the gas station attendant on your way into the ATL. He will be ready to opine with you both.

F. Sinkwich

June 25th, 2012
7:11 pm

“SINKWICH

“You’re just another Chicken Little…”

Well, as the l’il ones say, “takes one to know one.””

I must admit that have sounded an alarm to all about the pending doom of this great country due to the policies championed and implemented by the most destructive threat to our way of life, the Preezy of the united steezy. At least I can come up with a real name, unlike Sandra and Jammie:

O’bozo.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
7:13 pm

I think that after Romney is elected President,

You discovered how to travel to alternate universes?????

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
7:13 pm

“The United States stands ALONE among industrialized nations in not providing health coverage to all of its citizens. Currently, 46 million Americans lack health coverage.”

There is no doubt we have a serious problem here, JV. The question is how do we properly fix it? What are your thoughts on the matter? Obviously, health care costs have to go WAY down as part of the solution. Not that I am fully persuaded to this view, but I have had a number of health care workers tell me that (in their opinion a lot of unnecessary) paperwork has driven the costs up a lot. I am not against regulation per se (I certainly, for instance, don’t want companies to start dumping toxins in rivers again) but dumb regulation that doesn’t accomplish much and burden everyone with a extra work and expense. Obviously, some sort of tort reform should be considered (monetary awards should not, imo, be solely left up to a jury and I am not sure doctors should be sued for not exploring every conceivable possibility for a medical problem no matter how remote). Doing everything to use competition amongst providers and insurers has to be part of the solution. And perhaps training doctors to be far better troubleshooters than many of them now are would help immensely as well (doctors are glorified mechanics, many of whom can troubleshoot a minor problem but are like a fish out of water with big or odd problems). What does anyone else think?

TGT

June 25th, 2012
7:13 pm

JFK was a “One Percenter.”

getalife

June 25th, 2012
7:14 pm

scalia is writing their talking points now.

filky is back.

Hide the ilk.

kayaker 71

June 25th, 2012
7:14 pm

So, now Arizona can now check on illegals and when they find one…… drum roll….. they will refer that criminal to ICE. And how much cooperation do you think that Jan Brewer’s state will get form ICE. They will ignore her and her upstart state that had the audacity to enforce immigration laws. Eric Holder and his Justice Department are a bunch of first class pricks.

josef

June 25th, 2012
7:14 pm

SINKWICH

And a piece of it fell on yore pointy l’il haid…

For the love of Pete, Mec. it’s not the end of civilization as we know it.

Doggone/GA

June 25th, 2012
7:14 pm

“doctors are glorified mechanics”

I’ll agree with that when mechanics start working on vehicles while the engine is running

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
7:15 pm

“We are a “better nation” than one that aborts–I mean deports–innocent young children.”

Heh.

F. Sinkwich

June 25th, 2012
7:15 pm

“In other words, over 30 cents out of every dollar spent in this country on “healthcare” is for the worst, most corrupt, wasteful and inept bureaucracy of paper pushers and claim deniers that dirty money can buy…”

Mostly due to government requirements, Jammie. It may not be 30%, but it’s a bunch.

Thanks to lib ilks like you.

josef

June 25th, 2012
7:19 pm

CRIER

“What does anyone else think?”

Nationalize it and be done with it. Stop these half-ass measures. The medical profession and the insurance companies declined to reform themselves when they could have and now that the mess has gotten out of hand, it’s too late. Sorry, but those are the ones who f’d it up.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
7:21 pm

“I’ll agree with that when mechanics start working on vehicles while the engine is running.”

My point wasn’t about vehicles per se, but troubleshooting ability – unless you are prepared to argue that most doctors are really adept at troubleshooting unusual or difficult medical problems. Mechanics often diagnose a car’s problem while it is running even if they don’t usually fix it in that state. I am an engineer, so I think I know a little about troubleshooting skill – it may come naturally to some, but for most it is learned.

F. Sinkwich

June 25th, 2012
7:22 pm

“Sorry, but those are the ones who f’d it up.”

Nope.

Government did.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
7:22 pm

“You discovered how to travel to alternate universes?????”

Should this clear possibility occur, may I repeat this to you in November?

josef

June 25th, 2012
7:26 pm

SINKWICH

“Government did.”

I might have to agree with that…by not regulating them…

TGT

June 25th, 2012
7:27 pm

Not the infant mortality argument again.

America has had a comparatively high infant mortality rate since we’ve been measuring these things, going back to at least the ’20s. This was the case long before European countries adopted their cradle-to-grave welfare schemes and all while the U.S. was the wealthiest country on Earth.

One factor contributing to the U.S.’s infant mortality rate is that blacks have intractably high infant mortality rates — irrespective of age, education, socioeconomic status and so on. No one knows why.

Neither medical care nor discrimination can explain it: Hispanics in the U.S. have lower infant mortality rates than either blacks or whites. Give Switzerland or Japan our ethnically diverse population and see how they stack up on infant mortality rates.

Even with a higher-risk population, the alleged differences in infant mortality are negligible. We’re talking about 7 infant deaths per 1,000 live births in the U.S. compared to 5 deaths per 1,000 for Britain and Canada. This is a rounding error — perhaps literally when you consider that the U.S. tabulates every birth, even in poor, small and remote areas, while other countries are not always so meticulous.

But the international comparisons in “infant mortality” rates aren’t comparing the same thing, anyway. We also count every baby who shows any sign of life, irrespective of size or weight at birth.

By contrast, in much of Europe, babies born before 26 weeks’ gestation are not considered “live births.” Switzerland only counts babies who are at least 30 centimeters long (11.8 inches) as being born alive. In Canada, Austria and Germany, only babies weighing at least a pound are considered live births.

And of course, in Milan it’s not considered living if the baby isn’t born within driving distance of the Côte d’Azur.

By excluding the little guys, these countries have simply redefined about one-third of what we call “infant deaths” in America as “miscarriages.”

Moreover, many industrialized nations, such as France, Hong Kong and Japan — the infant mortality champion — don’t count infant deaths that occur in the 24 hours after birth. Almost half of infant deaths in the U.S. occur in the first day.

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
7:28 pm

Mostly due to government requirements, Jammie.

Your argument would be stronger, Sinkwich, if you were more specific.

Where are you specifics?

(Oh, the delicious irony…)

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
7:29 pm

“Nationalize it and be done with it.”

Well, josef, I simply don’t have the faith in government you seem to have. I mean, why would I want to entrust my health care to an entity that 1) caused and cannot fix a 16 trillion dollar deficit 2) has not fixed the illegal immigration problem though legislation was passed in 1986 3) has not worked to help us find an viable alternative energy resource in 4 decades since the 1973 embargo (though it put amen on the moon in 10 years) and so on?

Adam

June 25th, 2012
7:30 pm

unless you are prepared to argue that most doctors are really adept at troubleshooting unusual or difficult medical problems

Most medical problems are not difficult or unusual to most doctors.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
7:31 pm

Should this clear possibility occur, may I repeat this to you in November?

Why not? I have a running tally (incomplete, no doubt) of people saying Obama will lose specifically to have a list of “The Fallen” when he wins. Which is a much clearer possibility, by the way.

kayaker 71

June 25th, 2012
7:32 pm

joseph, 7:19.

I am not so sure that you would feel the same way if you were a doctor. Lets see….. four years of college, then four years of medical school, throw in a one year internship, then follow that with at least a four year residency, then maybe a one year fellowship. The bills mount up. Each of those years has a huge price tag. If you can’t pay it yourself or have your family cover it, you accumulate up to 300K and over over in student loans. You usually can’t enter private practice until about age 30 plus and then the government wants to heap regulations, rules, mountains of paperwork on you and your staff. Then there is always those hungry ambulance chasers like Edwards, eager to place you in a position where you could lose it all. The average neurosurgeon is in a seven year residency program and pays anywhere from 100K to 300K/yr in malpractice insurance, if he/she can find someone to write the paper. And after all of that, you want to nationalize health care. I wonder how you would feel if you were a doctor.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
7:34 pm

“Most medical problems are not difficult or unusual to most doctors.”

If you mean by that 51%, I would concur. But why don’t you look into how many problems are misdiagnosed or determined to be idiopathic before opining on the subject. And that leads to increased costs, which was why I mentioned this issue to begin with.

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
7:34 pm

Why wouldn’t I want to entrust other American’s health care to an entity that already provides me with the greatest health care in the entire country?

That is a damn good question!

The Gold Standard, baby…

kayaker 71

June 25th, 2012
7:35 pm

Adam,

Where did you go to medical school?

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
7:35 pm

Not the “not the infant mortality argument” and rationalization of said after the abortion argument regarding “innocent life” is challenged again.

The United States has the highest rate of infant mortality of any of these comparison countries while Japan, the competitor with the longest life expectancy, has the lowest. In the United States, the most common causes of infant mortality are congenital malformations and disorders associated with low birth-weight and short gestation.

The fact that the United States has the highest infant mortality is not because of a lack of specialists or facilities for neonatal births; on the contrary, America has more neonatologists and neonatal intensive care beds per person than Australia, Canada, or the United Kingdom.

As with other health metrics, America’s relative performance is declining. In 1960, the United States had the twelfth lowest infant mortality rate in the world. By 1990, we had dropped to twenty-third, and we sank to thirty-fourth in 2008. Our high infant mortality rate evidences the economic, ethnic, and racial disparities referred to earlier. For example, in 2005, African-American infants suffered a death rate of 13.63 per 1,000 births, more than twice the national average. The CDC’s 2004 world rankings indicate that an African-American baby would have a better chance of survival if born in Russia or Bulgaria than in the United States. Low birth-weight incidence explains some of the racial inequality. Low-weight births, defined as newborns weighing less than 2,500 grams or approximately five pounds, are about twice as common among African Americans as among (non-Hispanic) Caucasian and Hispanic babies, occurring at a rate of 13 percent among the former and at a rate of only 6.5 percent among the latter. Among the factors contributing to these lopsided outcomes are disparities in prenatal care, nutritional supplementation for pregnant women, and inadequate social welfare. Yet even if we eliminate this racial disparity and compare only the infant mortality rate of Caucasian Americans, our ranking versus the competitor countries is unaffected.

Infant mortality is just one of many metrics where the US used to be a world leader and has slipped in the last few decades. Other countries have identified leading practices that United States can learn from and adopt to improve its health care system. The idea of applying competitive intelligence and identification of best practices to countries is explored in detail in Measure of a Nation, where the publicly available data is displayed, links are provided and suggestions for improving America based on this competitive intelligence are discussed.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
7:35 pm

Towncrier: Then doctors need to be better educated and vetted. What other solution would you propose, NOT suing them when they screw up royal?

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
7:36 pm

“Which is a much clearer possibility, by the way.”

Once again, you are in the small minority in this sentiment. Very few people suppose it will be anything but a close race. So, don’t confuse wishful thinking with actual probabilities.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
7:39 pm

Once again, you are in the small minority in this sentiment.

First of all, you never told ME that the first time. Secondly, you are incorrect:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Even if Obama wasn’t winning these polls overall, a “very small minority” is not something I would attribute to either side of the poll unless one side had less than 30%.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
7:41 pm

“Then doctors need to be better educated and vetted.”

Which I think I argued (at least with respect to education) in one of my posts. Better vetted as well.

“What other solution would you propose, NOT suing them when they screw up royal?”

Not at all. But what constitutes a “royal screw up” as opposed to a human oversight? I personally am not comfortable with lawyers like John Edwards used to be and fickle juries deciding this. This needs to be well thought out, would you not agree?

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
7:41 pm

kayaker

Thanks for the perspective and I’m sure there is much bad as well as good that goes with that much work and effort to obtain all the required credentials. I tip my hat to you and all the others who are intelligent enough and have the ability to and willingness to take the time to become a doctor

With that said, even with all the hoopla going around about what Obamacare would mean if approved, there isn’t a mass exodus from the profession nor has there been a decline in those applying for med school. It is actually up here in GA.

And while the law in Massachusetts isn’t the exact same Obamacare would be, it is similar and there hasn’t been a mass exodus of doctors leaving the bizz or the state to practice elsewhere.

I’m sure some have left, but some leave for various reasons even before Obamacare was passed.

TGT

June 25th, 2012
7:42 pm

So let me get this straight, you libs want the govt. responsible for providing more and better healthcare so that we can save more children, yet you want no govt. restrictions on abortion so that we can “legally” kill more of our children ?!

Come on now libs! Remember, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
7:44 pm

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
7:44 pm

Infant mortality rate is defined as the number of deaths of infants one year or younger per 1,000 live births. It is a critical measure because the death of a young child has a greater impact on a population’s life expectancy than does a death from disease or injury in the middle or later stages of life. In the developing world, infant mortality tends to be a result of pneumonia, diarrhea, tetanus, and congenital malformation. In the developed world, it is typically associated with low birth-weight or extremely premature births.

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
7:44 pm

So let me get this straight, you libs want the govt. responsible for providing more and better healthcare so that we can save more children, yet you want no govt. restrictions on abortion so that we can “legally” kill more of our children ?!

Nope.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
7:44 pm

But what constitutes a “royal screw up” as opposed to a human oversight?

Well I think courts need to be a little bit more discretionary when it comes to lawsuits, and not even allow the case to be tried when it can be determined that it’s frivolous. Not sure how you can codify that, but I would think something like “I spilled hot coffee on myself and got a good lawyer to say there was no warning on the cup” shouldn’t even be tried.

josef

June 25th, 2012
7:45 pm

CRIER

It’s a mess as it is…and, no, I don’t put that much faith in the government solution…

kayaker

Nope, not a medicine man myself, but got a’plenty in the fambly and I have to be careful what I say here out of fear of being put out on the porch…

NOW
The costs incurred in schooling…that should also be nationalized and not something the future health care provider should have to shoulder…

I’m with you on the ambulance chasers…that, too, has to be regulated in the nationalization to free up the physician from that spectre…

The mountains of paperwork can be alleviated when the state has to provide YOU with the staff to handle that and it doesn’t come out of your pocket…

NOW and this might surprise you…I think a doctor should be paid in the $250,000 plus range. Let’s face it, after the teachers who taught them to begin with, these are the most important people in society when it comes to live or die.

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
7:45 pm

TGT, yep, the moment they are born, they are of no use to you neocons. Until they are eighteen and can go get killed in some far off shiitehole, so you can feel better about yourselves. (Hat tip George Carlin.)

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
7:46 pm

Funny how the left seems to be dancing a jig over this Supreme Court ruling as though it validates this administrations overreach and failure to properly govern. This ruling is temporary and is as temporal as this presidents time left in the White House. His time could end in January of next year and a new administration could undo his dictatorial ruling. Romney if elected could order his DoJ to once again enforce immigration laws that are on the books, while he and Congress seek comprehensive immigration reform.The Hispanic community needs to understand that fact and also understand that Obama has done nothing to effect lasting immigration reform since he’s been in office. His only motive is a desperation attempt for more votes from this block of voters.

Arthur Nielsen

June 25th, 2012
7:47 pm

“So let me get this straight”

Only if you’re using a pretzel for a straight edge.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
7:49 pm

Actually, TGT, my preference would be abortions should be in cases of rape, incest, and chance of death of the woman, as well as a choice the woman can make outside of that with her own money and time, no limits on number of weeks, no required input legally from anyone but her. And I think health care should provide the possibility that the woman can, as easily as possible, have a healthy and complete pregnancy with a healthy baby born, healthy childhood years all the way to 18 and perhaps beyond, without cost to the family if they are poor. I also think that a born child should be provided a minimum standard of education no matter where they live in the country, including all writing and reading materials, good teachers of every subject, critical thinking taught, and technology to support them, all free of charge if the family is poor. Do all of that TOGETHER and we can talk about the morality of some small segment of it.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
7:50 pm

RRecon: Romney if elected could order his DoJ to once again enforce immigration laws that are on the books,

Unless he doesn’t.

while he and Congress seek comprehensive immigration reform.

Unless they don’t.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
7:51 pm

“First of all, you never told ME that the first time.”

I told someone that last week and I thought it was you. My apologies if that is wrong.

“Secondly, you are incorrect:”

All of the polls cited (except the Bloomberg poll) are within the so-called margin of error – which supports what most pundits are saying (and even Obama’s adviser David Plouffe acknowledges) and what I implied: the vast majority thinks this will be a very close race and not, as you said, a much clearer possibility. You are wrong on this.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Even if Obama wasn’t winning these polls overall, a “very small minority” is not something I would attribute to either side of the poll unless one side had less than 30%.

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
7:54 pm

Adam,

You’re correct a lot of “unless” he does or doesn’t. You reinforced my point. Thank you.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
7:54 pm

You are wrong on this.

No, you said I am in a very small minority. You were wrong about that.

And yes, it IS a clearer possibility when you look at the overall picture. Obama has a much greater chance of getting the required electoral votes.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
7:56 pm

“…as well as a choice the woman can make outside of that with her own money and time, no limits on number of weeks, no required input legally from anyone but her.”

That will never fly constitutionally, imo, because the best argument (not used by the SCOTUS) for allowing abortions is the apparent fact that they were practiced in the 18th century (though there were hardly abortion clinics set up all over the place) until quickening (hence it is not a “new” behavior but one that was not constrained by law when the Constitution was drafted and ratified).

Adam

June 25th, 2012
7:56 pm

Recon: The thing is, Romney and his allies in Congress do not support immigration reform at all, whereas Obama and Democrats do. Say what you will about how you don’t like his policy, but I would bet $100 a Romney presidency would result in no such “permanent solution” one way or the other. He wouldn’t even be able to get something MORE restrictive through Congress.

josef

June 25th, 2012
7:57 pm

Just for the record, the Romany Lady still ain’t layin’ no odds on the election… :-)

Adam

June 25th, 2012
7:58 pm

That will never fly constitutionally, imo, because the best argument (not used by the SCOTUS) for allowing abortions is the apparent fact that they were practiced in the 18th century (though there were hardly abortion clinics set up all over the place) until quickening (hence it is not a “new” behavior but one that was not constrained by law when the Constitution was drafted and ratified).

Well I’m not going to argue that, but I will say that argument could be made now, and hasn’t been.

kayaker 71

June 25th, 2012
7:59 pm

Something that escapes many people in this health care debate which over the years, was most important to patients and families. When you have a 12 yr old daughter in the emergency room after being kicked in the head in a soccer game and the CT scan shows that she has a subdural hematoma that is threatening her life, you hope and pray that the neurosurgeon that is drilling holes in her head has had the best training in the world. Most thoughts of cost, paper work, inconvenience, etc, go out the window and your only concern is for her recovery and her future. I would hope, after Bozocare kicks in, if it does, that those devoted, people who spend half of their young adult lives training to fix that 12 yr old’s problem are around to take care of it.

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
8:00 pm

“Obama has a much greater chance of getting the required electoral votes”

Nope he does not. He has a chance to win many swing states but so does Romney. To say he has a “much greater chance” is wishful thinking. This election will be close and Obama could lose and he knows it.

They BOTH suck

June 25th, 2012
8:00 pm

josef

The question is how many times as she been right?

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
8:01 pm

“Obama has a much greater chance of getting the required electoral votes.”

I stand by what I say. Go make your argument to David Plouffe and tell him not to sweat the election. You ARE in a very small minority. Period. I guess margin of error in polls (and the fact that Romney has gained ground vis a vis Obama since the the early days of the GOP primary race) means nothing to you. Talk to the hand.

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 25th, 2012
8:02 pm

Muslim brotherhood runs Egypt

Their motto: Islam is the solution

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 25th, 2012
8:02 pm

Women in Egypt are now terrified

josef

June 25th, 2012
8:04 pm

KAYAKER

As I said in my earlier reply to you, what you are saying is much what’s at issue…nationalize it and make sure that you ARE freed from those other concerns to do your job and pay you well for it. And as far as what you call Obozo care, another half assed measure aimed at placating the insurance companies and offering little or no relief for the practicing physician.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
8:05 pm

“Well I think courts need to be a little bit more discretionary when it comes to lawsuits, and not even allow the case to be tried when it can be determined that it’s frivolous. Not sure how you can codify that, but I would think something like “I spilled hot coffee on myself and got a good lawyer to say there was no warning on the cup” shouldn’t even be tried.”

It has to be codified, for we have some judges who apparently use p**** pumps in court.

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
8:06 pm

Adam, had you bet that C-note in 08 when Obama said he would have comprehensive immigration reform in his first year, you would have been one hundred bucks lighter today.

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
8:06 pm

Kayaker best be hoping that 12-year old did not have a pre-existing condition, for example, that prevented her from getting affordable health insurance that covers stuff like CT scans as opposed to her simply being stabilized in an emergency room, receiving Ryan block grants, as required under GOP anti-”Obamacare” law.

Fester Bestertester

June 25th, 2012
8:07 pm

I had a vis a vis once. That is until I left the door of the cage open and it flew away.

F. Sinkwich

June 25th, 2012
8:08 pm

“Mostly due to government requirements, Jammie.

Your argument would be stronger, Sinkwich, if you were more specific.

Where are you specifics?”

Uh, you mean like where government requires my insurance cover my mamograms, pap smears, and pregnancies? And BC pills?

How ’bout them specifics?

Also, I’m pretty sure the Dekalb Library is closed by now. You should probably leave.

josef

June 25th, 2012
8:08 pm

BOTH

She’s got a pretty good record…she’s not one to make book too early…as she says, “you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows and there’s a sucker born every minute.” :-)

Adam

June 25th, 2012
8:09 pm

Towncrier: You ARE in a very small minority. Period

Your stating it (and adding talk to the hand at the end) doesn’t make it so. Obama has more electoral votes basically secured, as most of the analyzers of this kind of thing have said. That’s not a small minority. Plus, the only blog that I think matters on this is FiveThirtyEight, which has been quite reliable in predicting these things: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ (it’s right there on the middle right widget).

TGT

June 25th, 2012
8:09 pm

TaxPayer: You just copied from the link you provided. What you posted still doesn’t note the difference in the other factors that I pointed out, especially the very definition of infant mortality.

And my 7:42 is EXACTLY what your foolish liberal logic cries out for.

JamVet: Too bad you libs don’t back up what you say with your own time and resources. Conservatives are much more likely than liberals to aid their fellow human beings (at any age) in a wide variety of ways.

Adam: In other words, you’re pro-abortion. You’re welcome to “think” all you want about such things. But when your thinking leads to confiscating the wealth of others, well that’s a different matter.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
8:10 pm

Recon: Adam, had you bet that C-note in 08 when Obama said he would have comprehensive immigration reform in his first year, you would have been one hundred bucks lighter today.

I also wouldn’t have made that bet. I was a little bit more realistic about what I thought he could and could not do, as well as my reasons for support.

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
8:11 pm

Uh, you mean like where government requires my insurance cover my mamograms, pap smears, and pregnancies? And BC pills?

After all, it’s not like they make up nearly half the population of something. Viagra and prostates. Them’s the only things that really matter.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
8:13 pm

“Adam, had you bet that C-note in 08 when Obama said he would have comprehensive immigration reform in his first year, you would have been one hundred bucks lighter today.”

Obama is in many ways to me acts like a used car salesman (maybe that is what Chicago or most politics is like): always talking a good game but not really delivering on the goods. It’s amazing that while he indeed promised comprehensive immigration reform (and had a decent chance of getting it done in his first two years with both houses in Democratic control), it is not until late 2011 (with another election year in sight) that he produces a document on such but no legislative push. Style over substance, it seem to me.

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
8:14 pm

TaxPayer: You just copied from the link you provided. What you posted still doesn’t note the difference in the other factors that I pointed out, especially the very definition of infant mortality.

And my 7:42 is EXACTLY what your foolish liberal logic cries out for.

TGT,

My C&P addressed your C&P quite well and it does address the issues your C&P tried to claim and YOUR 7:42 is exactly what YOUR logic produced.

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
8:20 pm

The only voters who really count come November are those in the electoral college.

And among them, it is not that close. Flip has to take almost all of the states that are in play. And that is not going to happen.

You neocons need to prepare yourselves for a second straight McCaining. It will make things much less difficult for you if you don’t get your hopes up on this effete, northeastern severely liberal RINO Father of Socialist Medicine.

And as mediocre as BHO is, the republic is not going to put another bungling, Bush-like, fake conservative, chickenhawk serial disaster of a sell out right back in the White House.

You sheep had your chance and you damn near killed this country. Take a good look around at your handiwork. Corporations are people, my friend.

Why pray tell, would the people ever trust you Republicans again?

If they do, it is beyond me…

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
8:22 pm

“Plus, the only blog that I think matters on this is FiveThirtyEight…”

Ah – that is the root of your thinking. No one else’s opinion (all of the many pundits and analysts who say it is going to be a very close race) matters and you imagine that since a horse has a few lengths (tied up delegates) on another horse he is going to win the race. Now I understand. Again, I stand by what I said.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
8:30 pm

Towncrier: I base that on the fact they have predicted just about every election correctly, including the recall and most state and local elections in 2010. I know you’re looking for something, ANYTHING, to make me wrong, but really you should just man up and admit that you either meant something different than what you said, or that you were plain wrong when you said I was in the very small minority.

TGT

June 25th, 2012
8:32 pm

TaxPayer: You really need to read better. NOTHING you posted addresses the fact that different nations measure infant mortality differently.

F. Sinkwich

June 25th, 2012
8:32 pm

“And among them, it is not that close. Flip has to take almost all of the states that are in play. And that is not going to happen.”

2010, Jammie. Remember that?

Tea party lives.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
8:33 pm

2010, Jammie. Remember that?

Oh yeah, right, 2010. Who did we elect for President that year again?

Rightwing Troll

June 25th, 2012
8:39 pm

“So let me get this straight, you libs want the govt. responsible for providing more and better healthcare so that we can save more children, yet you want no govt. restrictions on abortion so that we can “legally” kill more of our children ?!”

So the ones that are here and could use some saving you refer to as “the” and the one’s you feel should be saved from abortion are “ours”… interesting… save them from abortion and walk away… then what?

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
8:41 pm

“I know you’re looking for something, ANYTHING, to make me wrong, but really you should just man up and admit that you either meant something different than what you said, or that you were plain wrong when you said I was in the very small minority.”

Do you know how to read? From their site (emphasis added):

The first look at the 2012 FiveThirtyEight presidential forecast has Barack Obama as a very slight favorite to win re-election. But his advantage equates to only a two-point lead in the national popular vote, and the edge could easily swing to Mitt Romney on the basis of further bad economic news

However, the outlook for the Nov. 6 election is much less certain, with Mr. Obama having winning odds of just over 60 percent. The forecast currently calls for Mr. Obama to win roughly 290 electoral votes, but outcomes ranging everywhere from about 160 to 390 electoral votes are plausible, given the long lead time until the election and the amount of news that could occur between now and then. Both polls and economic indicators are a pretty rough guide five months before an election….

Right now, the polls and the economy are broadly in agreement with one another — both point toward an extremely tight race — although the economic risks to Mr. Obama are somewhat to the downside.

I said most pundits and analysts are saying the race is going to be very close and could go either way. The passages I quote above from the site you said was the only one that matters says the same thing. You said Obama has a much better chance of winning than Romney. I stand by what I say: you are wrong.

Marc

June 25th, 2012
8:44 pm

Jay why aren’t you talking about all the illegalities going on in the Obama adminstration. You really could gain some credibility if you were less of an Obama/Democratic cultist. They do no wrong by you.

OK the stares do have sovereign rights that have been trampled on since Lincoln.

Orange 12

June 25th, 2012
8:46 pm

The only event that might get this country serious about doing something about illegal immigration is one that is worse than the one that took place on 09/11. Obviously, nothing was learned on that day.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
8:51 pm

Towncrier: do YOU read? This is what I wrote before: Which is a much clearer possibility, by the way. as in more clear than a Romney possibility. And I am not in a very small minority that think so, as I showed you with polls.

It is a much clearer possibility because of the electoral votes AND the polls, put together, than a “clear possibility” of Romney winning.

getalife

June 25th, 2012
8:51 pm

Orange,

I am scared of the Mormon Brotherhood and another collapse.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
8:53 pm

Towncrier: So I guess we’re playing a semantics game. I was wrong to say “much clearer.” Now, your turn. You were wrong to say “very small minority.” It’s easy. Rolls right off the keyboard.

Adam

June 25th, 2012
8:55 pm

In case it wasn’t clear I should have left out the word much, but you should have left out the whole phrase “very small minority.” That is my only point here. I never said it wouldn’t be a close race, just that I am still pretty sure Obama will win.

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 25th, 2012
8:56 pm

Mormon brotherhood

I wasn’t aware they kill their women

Orange 12

June 25th, 2012
8:56 pm

Getalife,

Too early to tell. Initial estimates do not bode well though.

Drew

June 25th, 2012
8:58 pm

Well..this tears it.. a Supreme court judge who openly and deliberately attacks and insults a sitting President?? This ahole should be brought up on slander and removed from the bench immediately. A sitting SC Judge MUST be impartial and deal with the rules of LAW. Political beliefs are personal and should never be made public. Vote how you want but you must NOT divulge any beliefs publicly..ever!! That’s the job idiot!! You can’t follow the rules?? recuse yourself from the bench.

getalife

June 25th, 2012
8:59 pm

willard takes weeks to poll his decisions.

The 3 am phone call will ring for weeks.

We will all die.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
9:00 pm

“This is what I wrote before: Which is a much clearer possibility, by the way. as in more clear than a Romney possibility.”

I know what you said. Being a “very slight favorite” and looking at an “extremely tight race” does not in my view equate to Obama having a “much clearer possibility” of winning. Sorry – and I don’t think many others would say so either – certainly not David Plouffe. And I was not talking about what Americans think according to the polls but knowledgeable commentators (and I think since I mentioned pundits and analysts more than once). I don’t know what else I can say but at this point I am content to let the matter drop.

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
9:03 pm

For the Lovers of the One Percent.

They created the worst economic downturn in our lifetime. The neocon version of the Great Depression.

Stagnant wages for so many Americans that they have lost ground since the 1970s. The first generation of Americans to say that we do not have it better than our parents generation.

The American middle class lost 40% of it’s assets from 2007 to 2010.

Trickle down poverty so staggering that more working poor now live in the suburbs than in the inner cities. Once solidly middle class Republican families now on food stamps and welfare. By the droves.

And Atlanta has gotten especially murdered. And is now far behind many of its regional and national rivals.

She is expected to only recover about 19% of the jobs lost during the Great Recession by this year’s end.

And the region has lost almost as many jobs as it created since 2000, growing only about 50,000 jobs during the decade.

Regional unemployment around 8.6 percent and falling residential real estate prices.

If we can keep the corporate suckups out of office for awhile, I suspect that we can recover in perhaps another ten years. Otherwise take a good look around – this will become the permanent state of affairs in America.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
9:03 pm

“So I guess we’re playing a semantics game. I was wrong to say “much clearer.” Now, your turn. You were wrong to say “very small minority.”

Adam, I didn’t see this before I posted. Thanks for that and I meant a small minority of commentators (not the public at large), but perhaps “very” is a stretch. We cool ;-)

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
9:07 pm

Interesting how the libs comfort themselves about Obama’s assured win based on the electoral map. Guess what guy’s the map doesn’t mean doo doo at this point. Watch Obama’s erosion of support and then check your electoral map projections in late September. Y’all will either be beating your chests in anticipated victory or biting your nails. I project the latter.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
9:10 pm

“Interesting how the libs comfort themselves about Obama’s assured win based on the electoral map.”

Well, Recon, as my exchange with Adam will show, his is hardly an “assured win.” In fact, his campaign is taking this very seriously, since it appears it is going to be very close.

Billybob

June 25th, 2012
9:12 pm

the president is ignoring the separation of powers and the constitution jay, plain and simple……with the feds now saying they won’t answer the immigration call from arizona now he is thumbing his nose at his constitutional responsibilities to uphold the law…….this guy is burying himself and your radical party and your ideology here since you support this….the president now is claiming he can nullify the laws on the books if he wants to……this is unprecedented and another example of how leftists and statists rule instead of govern……moderate dems and independents are utterly fleeing this guy…..please hold your breathe as you go down with this incredibly radical leftist ship that is sinking before our very eyes…..your ilk deserves it……

Billybob

June 25th, 2012
9:14 pm

hey jam,
the one percent, the war on women and ows are folly and the public doesn’t buy the leftist media false templates anymore……try again….

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
9:15 pm

“…with the feds now saying they won’t answer the immigration call from arizona now he is thumbing his nose at his constitutional responsibilities to uphold the law…”

Well BB, there is such a thing as dereliction of duty and I suspect the WH is NOT going to go down that path (no matter what Rush or someone like him may say).

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
9:15 pm

Towncrier, absolutely one hundred percent correct. The libs cannot understand or refuse to accept that their dear leader could very well be out of office by January 013. It’s a very real possibility. We will have a pretty good idea by Labor Day.

getalife

June 25th, 2012
9:15 pm

bilbob,

Yeah now you run away from the truth like children.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:16 pm

In other words, over 30 cents out of every dollar spent in this country on “healthcare” is for the worst, most corrupt, wasteful and inept bureaucracy of paper pushers and claim deniers that dirty money can buy…

JamVet, so the Post Office, Government Motors, Social Security and Medicare are performing better than the private sector, er health insurance?? Typical lib ostrich.

Billybob

June 25th, 2012
9:18 pm

getalife,
blah blah blah

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
9:18 pm

“This a****** should be brought up on slander and removed from the bench immediately.”

The only way to remove a SC justice is by impeachment, which the Senate in 1803 decided could only be for “indictable” offenses. So there you have. They are, for all intents and purposes (unless the Senate changes its mind) untouchable – the conservative and liberal justices alike.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:19 pm

getalife
June 25th, 2012
9:15 pm

bilbob,

Yeah now you run away from the truth like children

getalife.. that is the dumbest phrase i’ve ever seen on a blog. But I have to give you props, it’s nice to know that second graders can use a computer to surf the net.

Orange 12

June 25th, 2012
9:19 pm

If Obama runs on his record he loses.

Billybob

June 25th, 2012
9:20 pm

town,
the feds have withdrawn agreements with arizona and they will not be answering the arizona calls to verify someone…..i don’t know what rush thinks about that, but that is the case…..

getalife

June 25th, 2012
9:20 pm

Get lost racist.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:21 pm

Orange 12
June 25th, 2012
9:19 pm

If Obama runs on his record he loses

I’m not sure. If he shoots even par, I’m sure Chris Matthews, Ed Schittz and JamVet would gladly wash his ballz!

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
9:21 pm

“Yeah now you run away from the truth like children…”

Is that from Shakespeare? King Lear, perhaps?

TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
9:21 pm

TaxPayer: You really need to read better. NOTHING you posted addresses the fact that different nations measure infant mortality differently.

TGT,

You really need to read better:


TaxPayer

June 25th, 2012
7:44 pm

Infant mortality rate is defined as the number of deaths of infants one year or younger per 1,000 live births. It is a critical measure because the death of a young child has a greater impact on a population’s life expectancy than does a death from disease or injury in the middle or later stages of life. In the developing world, infant mortality tends to be a result of pneumonia, diarrhea, tetanus, and congenital malformation. In the developed world, it is typically associated with low birth-weight or extremely premature births.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:22 pm

getalife
June 25th, 2012
9:20 pm

Get lost racist

Aww little 2nd grader has poopy-pants. I hate all non-achievers equally, does that make me a racist?? Go ask your teacher buddy!

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
9:23 pm

“Thee feds have withdrawn agreements with arizona and they will not be answering the arizona calls to verify someone…”

BB, I think if it can be proven in court that they deliberately did so out of malice (and not simply because they had insufficient resources to enforce the laws they are sworn to enforce), then it could be judged a dereliction of duty.

independent thinker

June 25th, 2012
9:24 pm

The gangster and political hack Scalia spews out his political venom again today in two decisions whwere he spouses his activist conservative leanings
History of Scalia’s right wing activism::
1. The fourteenth amendment equal protection laws written for ex slaves allows Scalia to anoint George W. Bush as president and ignored the Supreme Court of Florida interpreting Florida laws on voting;
2. Decided strip searches of innocent Black Men arrested for misdemeanor offenses are just fine;
3. Wrote in Heller that the preamble to the second amendment is a bunch of nonsense if the NRA says so;
4.Corporations can spend unlimited money to influence elections since they are persons;
5. One hundred year old anti-corruption statute in Montana is thrown out today based on Federal decision of Supreme Court on corporate contributions because the Court knows better than the citizens of Montana that corporations have no evil motives in subverting the election process;
6. Called Obama an idiot for executive order limiting deportation of illegals who want to serve in military and get a useful education if they did not actively participate in illegal entry to US;
7. He does not believe in free press if he is the speaker and he is being tape recorded;
8. close friends with Koch Brothers

Imagine his ruling Thursday on Obacare??????????????.

Orange 12

June 25th, 2012
9:24 pm

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

True, The liberal media is heavily slanted in Obama’s favor.

Billybob

June 25th, 2012
9:24 pm

anyone here about obama asking for people with upcoming birthdays or upcoming weddings to ask those giving gifts to them to instead donate to obama’s campaign…..utterly pathetic and totally a leftist political move……enlightening as well…..
hay jay,
i was going to send you a gift for your birthday, do you want me to send it to obama instead?

Steve - USA ("None of the Above")

June 25th, 2012
9:24 pm

Is it just me or are JamVet’s raging against the world posts starting to sound like UnaBomber v2.0?

Somebody better monitor that dude.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:25 pm

Billybob
June 25th, 2012
9:20 pm

town,
the feds have withdrawn agreements with arizona and they will not be answering the arizona calls to verify someone…..i don’t know what rush thinks about that, but that is the case…..

It’s so the O’Propoganda administration comes off as being sympathetic to illegals, placing the onus on Arizona. They don’t want to be forced to deport any illegal criminals during election year. What a spineless pu$$y. And anyone who votes for him.

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 25th, 2012
9:27 pm

Steve USA

He’s definitely unhinged

Recon 0311 2533

June 25th, 2012
9:27 pm

Okay the libs are out of control and Jay’s AWOL, so g’nite and Taps y’all.

Billybob

June 25th, 2012
9:27 pm

town,
i can’t find fault with your post……this guy was marketed by the liberal media as a moderate……people now see his radical nature in every word or action he puts forth…..even jay can’t hid the truth about this guy anymore….even though he will do his best…..

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:31 pm

even jay can’t hid the truth about this guy anymore….even though he will do his best…..

Jay’s either:
a: gay
b: part of the 1 percent
c: communist
d: hates freedom
e: drank O’propogandist cool-aid
f: a professor
g: Chris Matthew naked twister partner

Don Abernethy

June 25th, 2012
9:31 pm

Bookman plays to the tune that he hopes will get him a job as press secretary for Obama.

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
9:32 pm

“Is it just me or are JamVet’s raging against the world posts starting to sound like UnaBomber v2.0?”

He is, by his own admission like an excitable poodle (all bark but no bite). And he has said he like to push people’s buttons. I don’t know. He makes some good points from time to time and I have learned a few things from him. Some people just seem to have a poor sense of propriety (not that any of us have much more than a mediocre sense of it). He wanted some months back to paint me as a racist (though I married a Latina), but has declined my challenges to prove it so or admit he was lying.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:33 pm

Steve – USA (”None of the Above”)
June 25th, 2012
9:24 pm

Is it just me or are JamVet’s raging against the world posts starting to sound like UnaBomber v2.0?

Somebody better monitor that dude.

I’ve never seen a post where he comes out and identifies his party affiliation. It’s always neo-con this, neo-con that, stupid, blah blah blah

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
9:33 pm

“the one percent, the war on women and ows are folly and the public doesn’t buy the leftist media false templates anymore.”

Sure and the day you speak for the “public” is the day pigs fly.

Just try to speak for yourself; it ain’t much, but it’s all you got!

bman

June 25th, 2012
9:33 pm

it’s getting a little rough in here…..

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:34 pm

He wanted some months back to paint me as a racist (though I married a Latina), but has declined my challenges to prove it so or admit he was lying.

Latino’s qualify as white for reverse racists, see Zimmerman…

getalife

June 25th, 2012
9:35 pm

Why so angry cons?

Steve - USA ("None of the Above")

June 25th, 2012
9:35 pm

“it’s getting a little rough in here…..”

Maybe it’s the summer heat, perhaps we all need to bond over some ice cream. :)

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
9:36 pm

Prince, you hate our government. You hate our American system. And would love to destroy it.

BFD.

You delusional nutjobs are a dime a dozen…

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
9:36 pm

“Maybe it’s the summer heat, perhaps we all need to bond over some ice cream.”

But not Ben and Jerry’s – something politically neutral. ;-)

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:37 pm

Sure and the day you speak for the “public” is the day pigs fly.

And your pig is getting lipstick put on him and the liberal media is trying to polish him up to make him look like old turd.

getalife

June 25th, 2012
9:38 pm

“You delusional nutjobs are a dime a dozen…”

They all sound the same.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:38 pm

JamVet
June 25th, 2012
9:36 pm

Prince, you hate our government. You hate our American system. And would love to destroy it.

BFD.

You delusional nutjobs are a dime a dozen

And the democrats are the saviors? Nice grammatical postings, but you’re dumber than you think.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:39 pm

getalife
June 25th, 2012
9:38 pm

“You delusional nutjobs are a dime a dozen…”

They all sound the same.

Yup they sound like getalife!

Towncrier

June 25th, 2012
9:40 pm

Okay, guys…I am out…good night to all.

getalife

June 25th, 2012
9:41 pm

“but you’re dumber than you think.”

This one has it bad.

Better watch him.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:41 pm

So you lib geniuses, do you think deficit spending like Europe is the way to prosperity?? Come on. Think. Don’t feel!

Get Real

June 25th, 2012
9:42 pm

The progressive liberal viewpoint resides in a parallel universe in a land far far away. I believe it is called Pelosi Land……

getalife

June 25th, 2012
9:43 pm

princess,

Austerity failed.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:44 pm

getalife
June 25th, 2012
9:41 pm

“but you’re dumber than you think.”

This one has it bad.

Better watch him

Has what bad? You have something different bad, but your lib buddies go easy on you.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:45 pm

getalife
June 25th, 2012
9:43 pm

princess,

Austerity failed

How long was it tried for? Investigate sweden if you can google. It worked well there.

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
9:45 pm

“And your pig is getting lipstick…”

You idiot, for the three hundred and seventh time, I voted against him.

How in gawd’s name did you get out of high school?!

It certainly wasn’t by paying attention.

But it’s all good, you circle jerkers and America haters can come all over yourselves at my expense.

Is TC the pivot man?

LOL.

Back to work…

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:48 pm

O’blamer got spanked down by Germany for putting the onus on them to bail out the rest of Europe. They told him to go get his own fiscal house in order. They’re not pouring money down a never ending hole without proof that those nations have a plan. Who the he!! is O’Budgetless to scorn others on fiscal irresponsability?

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:49 pm

Back to work?

Yeah McDonalds is open until 1. You have a line waiting for shakes…

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 25th, 2012
9:51 pm

Jamvet voted for bill ayers

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:53 pm

I’m guessing Ralph Nader, who I have to admit had some interesting takes. But really, how often do you hear JamVet take the libs to task? I’m thinking he’s a closet lib with lib anxiety…

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 25th, 2012
9:54 pm

Peace out, I’ve stirred the pot as usual…

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 25th, 2012
9:55 pm

Oh jamvet is lib all right

JamVet

June 25th, 2012
9:55 pm

I’m guessing Ralph Nader.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a friggin” rocket scientist in our midst!

I’ve only written about him on this forum for four years.

Now granted, lacking a ballsack, you’ve used seventeen different names in that time, but again, I ask, how clueless can you possibly be?

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 25th, 2012
9:56 pm

Wow. Whoever – sorry, can’t remember – said it earlier, yes. It is indeed getting more than a little deep here. The righties have taken over the blog – for now. Note: Jam & I & a few others will be BACK. And we are watchin’ y’all.

bman

June 25th, 2012
9:59 pm

Jam .. .. you really voted for Nader? I didn’t know that

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 25th, 2012
10:04 pm

Next thing you know, Admiral Obama will be trying to shut down the “Texas Navy” !

Headline: “”Texas Navy” fights drug traffickers’ escapes on the Rio Grande”

(CBS News) DALLAS – “One of the central issues in Monday’s Supreme Court ruling on immigration was whether states can police their international borders. In Texas, they’ve decided to defend themselves from drug smugglers — and authorities are using a surprising new weapon to combat the cartels.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57460103/texas-navy-fights-drug-traffickers-escapes-on-the-rio-grande/?tag=stack

bman

June 25th, 2012
10:08 pm

” It is indeed getting more than a little deep here.”

GMare .. .. At times, it gets a little rough on both sides. Of course, you only notice the side you disagree with…

Romney is spot on !!!!!

June 25th, 2012
10:14 pm

“Today’s decision underscores the need for a president who will lead on this critical issue and work in a bipartisan fashion to pursue a national immigration strategy. President Obama has failed to provide any leadership on immigration. This represents yet another broken promise by this president. I believe that each state has the duty — and the right — to secure our borders and preserve the rule of law, particularly when the federal government has failed to meet its responsibilities. As Candidate Obama, he promised to present an immigration plan during his first year in office. But four years later, we are still waiting.”

The act of whining...

June 25th, 2012
10:18 pm

The Justice Department has set up a hotline for the public to report potential civil rights concerns regarding the Arizona law that requires police to check the immigration status of those they stop for other reasons.

William Smith

June 25th, 2012
10:20 pm

The only person in Washington with enough courage to come flat out an say what he believes. Sounds great but he is appointed for life with no need to campaign for his office. If he could lose his office and all the slush funds would he be so open. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

CommonMan

June 25th, 2012
10:29 pm

Scalia is a right wing ideologue in robes, who uses fancy words to pass off as an impartial member of the judiciary.

ld

June 25th, 2012
10:35 pm

Scalia is really worked up about this immigration decision.

Romney’s near- silence suggests he could very likley hand the hardcore GOP base a very rude surprise if elected.

The Supreme Court seems to have ruled that while it is illegal (per federal law)to cross the border to come into this country without appropriate authorization, it is not unlawful to be here once in. This suggests to me that any president can simply grant a pardon for the illegal act of crossing the border and, as long as the immigrant NEVER leaves and attempts to cross again, they are home free as to federal law/deportation.

It seems GOP controlled states wanting to bow to the will of their hardcore anti-illegal-immigrant supporters will now need to focus their efforts on getting the illegals immigrants to self-deport. That may be difficult since it seems the current court will be protecting the federal authority to decide immigration issues w/some very broad strokes.

ld

June 25th, 2012
10:37 pm

When I refer to Romney’s near silence, I mean his absence of specifics about his own plans.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 25th, 2012
10:41 pm

More “Arab Spring” :

BEIRUT, Lebanon – “Syrian Christians are being given ultimatums by military commanders of the nation’s opposition movement to leave their homes, prompting what observers say is a form of ethnic cleansing ………………. ”

The Assad regime generally has protected the Christians, and some serve as senior officials in the government. While many Christians regard the Assad regime as repressive and want an open, democratic, inclusive and religiously tolerant society, they realize that there will be no such developments with a change of regime.”

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 25th, 2012
10:43 pm

Id:

“That may be difficult since it seems the current court will be protecting the federal authority to decide immigration issues w/some very broad strokes.”

Quite the opposite !

The court let stand that officers may “determine legality” for being in the U.S.

Now ……………. once a sane president is elected who will tell his DHS Secretary to cooperate with local law enforcement …………….. BINGO !

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 25th, 2012
10:47 pm

Headline: “THE 6-HOUR WAIT”

“Romney Finally Comments On Immigration Ruling… Disagrees With Decision, Wishes Court Gave ‘More Latitude’ To Arizona”

The court took “months” to decide and Romney takes six hours to read everything and be briefed and that is an issue ?

I like someone who thinks awhile before opening his mouth !

Bummer

June 25th, 2012
10:49 pm

I miss snow in the winter

Can someone turn off this global warming thing?…..

TGT

June 25th, 2012
10:55 pm

TaxPayer: NOTHING in that post mentions which countries (if any) use that definition. It’s just a definition. Different countries define infant mortality differently, and this plays into the U.S.’s lower rankings.

Thomas

June 25th, 2012
11:00 pm

Hey Bookman- do something useful and tell your AJC cohorts that isn’t Christie Brinkley on your home page- media is so corrupt with a liberal bias now they can’t even put the correct picture with the caption-

In other news I have parsed every word in the Potus decisions today and know that Obamacare will be upheld- no doubt about it. Story at 11

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 25th, 2012
11:01 pm

Oooops ! Did someone not tell President Carter that this is a campaign year ???

Headline: “A former U.S. president is accusing the current president of sanctioning the “widespread abuse of human rights” by authorizing drone strikes to kill suspected terrorists.”

“Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of ‘Widespread Abuse of Human Rights’”

http://news.yahoo.com/jimmy-carter-accuses-u-widespread-abuse-human-rights-154057442–abc-news-politics.html

Bummer

June 25th, 2012
11:09 pm

Numbers man

Carter speaks truth to power

Good job Carter

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 25th, 2012
11:22 pm

Bummer:

Maybe so, maybe not …………… but in saying what he’s saying he’s helping to defeat Obama and that’s o.k. with me !!

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 25th, 2012
11:49 pm

As opposed to fair & balanced you, bman? Uh huh.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 26th, 2012
12:20 am

Jay, I hope you didn’t have to ban Kam forever. I really miss him. :(

ken

June 26th, 2012
12:41 am

Jay, be glad that you do not live on the border. You would change your tune !!!!!!!!!!!!!

HOT AIR

June 26th, 2012
12:54 am

Obama held up his hand and placed his other hand on the Bible and swore under oath to uphold the existing laws of our country – HE LIED.

Oblama

June 26th, 2012
12:57 am

Did Obama lie under oath to uphold the laws of our land? He took his oath of office so that would be a big YES. He’s our liar in chief.

arch piscine

June 26th, 2012
1:04 am

Remind folks that profit is the distinction between revenue and expense. This may cause you appear smart.

bluecoat

June 26th, 2012
2:04 am

That would be Admiral Bush shouting “Mission accomplished” Obama first politician to tell lie.One to create a war.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 26th, 2012
5:35 am

“Jay, be glad that you do not live on the border.”

ohmy.

right.

because the ONLY illegal immigrants in this country are the ones that come up from across the Rio Grande.

mygod, the unmitigated stupidity displayed here on a daily basis makes me despair.

wake up, numpty – anyplace with an airport IS on the border (and not all illegal immigrants speeeeeek like Speedy Gonzalez)

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 26th, 2012
5:37 am

Shorter Scout’s 10:41 – bombing his own people is one thing … but NOW Assad is going after Christians! that ain’t right!

Health Care As a Privilege: What the GOP Won’t Admit

June 26th, 2012
5:46 am

As we wait for a Supreme Court ruling on the Affordable Care Act this week, there is one urgent, overriding moral question at the heart of the health-care fight. Paradoxically, and maddeningly, there has not been any open moral debate over it. That question is whether access to basic medical care ought to be considered a right or something that is earned.

Several reporters have recently filed dispatches showing in human terms what sort of conditions we would be perpetuating in the event that five Republican Supreme Court Justices, or a potential Republican-run government next year, partially or completely nullify the Affordable Care Act. A man will watch the tumor in his leg grow to the size of a melon, and his wife will sew special pants to fit the growing bulge, because he has no insurance. A woman will hobble around for four years on an untreated broken ankle she can’t have repaired. People will line up in their cars and spend the night in a parking lot queuing for a rare free health clinic.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/06/health-care-as-privilege-what-gop-wont-admit.html

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 26th, 2012
5:49 am

ooooooooooo … and now Turkey’s getting into the fray …

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18584872

Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan says the country’s military levels have been raised after Syria shot down a Turkish plane that strayed over its territory.

He said if Syrian troops threatened Turkey’s borders, they would be seen as a military threat. Nato has held a special session to consider the attack.

Syria insists the F-4 Phantom jet was shot down inside Syrian airspace.

Meanwhile, Syrian opposition activists have reported fighting near Republican Guard positions in suburbs of Damascus.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 26th, 2012
5:51 am

Health Care as a Privelege –

haven’t you gotten the memo??? it’s THEIR OWN FAULT they don’t have insurance. they should take personal responsibility and pull themselves up by their bootstraps … and FOR GOD’S SAKE, they shouldn’t expect anyone else’s insurance premium to cover their birth control.

keep up, would you.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 26th, 2012
6:14 am

Good morning to all y’all and a special top of the morning to USinUK…

Great Luckovich this morning… I give it three lol’s for funny and two thumbs up for truth!

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 26th, 2012
6:19 am

Normal – for you (and in honor of HRM Betty), I give you the cutest video ever

http://dogs.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/06/25/funny-dog-pictures-corgi-bellyflop/

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 26th, 2012
6:46 am

Y’all,
I got this in response for asking Isakson to help pass the Student Non-Discrimination Act….

Dear Mr. (Normal):

Thank you for contacting me regarding S.555, the Student Non-Discrimination Act. I appreciate your comments and am glad to have the opportunity to respond.

If enacted, S.555 would prohibit discrimination of students in public schools based on sexual orientation and gender identity as well as prohibit schools from ignoring harassing behavior.

Certainly, no child should be discriminated against in school or other environments, but I am concerned with the legislation as it is currently drafted. S.555 creates an overly broad definition of the word discrimination, which may be interpreted in such a way as to stifle free speech.

Thank you again for contacting me. Please visit my webpage at http://isakson.senate.gov/ for more information on the issues important to you and to sign up for my e-newsletter.

Sincerely,
Johnny Isakson
United States Senator

Stifle free speech??? Is banning bullying/harassment of Gay kids, stifling free speech?

Unreal!

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 26th, 2012
6:47 am

USinUK,
Thanks, I needed that!

Real Scootter

June 26th, 2012
6:58 am

Stifle free speech??? Is banning bullying/harassment of Gay kids, stifling free speech?

IMO yes.Not saying it is right though.And good morn Sir!

Madmax

June 26th, 2012
6:59 am

Health Care As a Privilege: What the GOP Won’t Admit

June 26th, 2012
5:46 am
Wow. Are you that gullible or do you get paid to spread that crap?

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2012
6:59 am

So…what IS the definition of discrimination as defined by that law?

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 26th, 2012
7:03 am

So…what IS the definition of discrimination as defined by that law?

The act of denying rights, benefits, justice, equitable treatment, or access to facilities available to all others, to an individual or group of people because of their race, age, gender, handicap or other defining characteristic.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 26th, 2012
7:05 am

Madmax

June 26th, 2012
6:59 am

Can’t stand the truth, huh?

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 26th, 2012
7:06 am

Scooter,
Good Morning to you too. When you get a chance, explain to me, if you will, how it stifles free speech? Thanks…

Rightwing Troll

June 26th, 2012
7:07 am

“Scalia is a right wing ideologue in robes, who uses fancy words to pass off as an impartial member of the judiciary.”

Scalia has always been overtly partisan.

stands for decibels

June 26th, 2012
7:12 am

it’s THEIR OWN FAULT they don’t have insurance

Given that the GOP worked to prevent the expansion of SCHIP under GWB’s administration, apparently it’s also America’s children who are at fault for not having insurance.

(By the way, why isn’t anyone asking Willard if he’d repeal the SCHIP expansion as well? Long as you’re throwing out the bath water, might as well toss a few babies while you’re at it.)

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 26th, 2012
7:15 am

“Is banning bullying/harassment of Gay kids, stifling free speech?”

yes, let’s please defend the rights of kids to harass other kids …

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2012
7:16 am

“The act of denying rights, benefits, justice, equitable treatment, or access to facilities available to all others, to an individual or group of people because of their race, age, gender, handicap or other defining characteristic.”

Thanks

Real Scootter

June 26th, 2012
7:18 am

I’m not good at this Normal but I will try.
Saying mean things to other people is uncalled for IMO.But we all have the right to say what we want too.Like hekling Pols. at rallys and that sort of thing.Or even saying bad things about our POTUS.

stands for decibels

June 26th, 2012
7:21 am

Whilst googling (ostensibly to refresh my memory about what sort of lies Scalia might’ve told the Senate confirmation committee in ‘86), I just happened upon this oldie-but-goodie from Erick Son-of-Erickson’s outfit, on the occasion of Scalia’s 20th year on the SCOTUS. Reprinted for everyone’s dining and dancing pleasure:

I can’t let the anniversary pass without thanking Justice Scalia for the twenty years of brilliant, originalist, strict constructionist, tell-it-like-it-is legal reasoning he has brought to the Court. Even liberals should thank Justice Scalia for making the Court’s oral arguments and opinions more interesting. Here’s to many more years of the same from Nino.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 26th, 2012
7:22 am

” That question is whether access to basic medical care ought to be considered a right or something that is earned.”

Health care is not a right silly.

Do you think everyone should be able to check into the mayo clinic?

That will do wonders for healthcare costs.

stands for decibels

June 26th, 2012
7:25 am

But we all have the right to say what we want too.

Do kids have the right to form gangs and regularly harass a kid they’ve deemed easy pickings, every day of that kid’s life at a public school? What if that kid’s “other defining characteristic” isn’t that he’s gay, but that his family attends a church that most kids consider weird?

So long as those gangs aren’t using profanity and aren’t actually beating the kid, but merely making his life hellish and systematically ostracizing the kid from the rest of the student population, it’s perfectly ok, and the school can’t take any measure against the gangs because they’re exercising free speech?

Are you willing to take your free-speech absolutism quite that far?

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 26th, 2012
7:27 am

Scooter,
OK, I see where you’re coming from, but consider this. To pick on a kid who has a facial deformity, to make that kid ashamed and spiritually may be backed by free speech, but what about plain old good manners?

Heckling in politics does not shame the politician being heckled, it’s a ploy designed to disrupt his message to the voters…a dirty trick, but understandable if the opposition doesn’t have any other come back to use. But heckling does not lead to children committing suicide either.

Bottom line discrimination is discrimination and the laws on the books need to be enforced or there needs to be new ones to address the situation.

Remember that Gay kids have no choice anymore than a kid with freckles has a choice. It’s the way they were made.

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2012
7:28 am

“But we all have the right to say what we want too”

Sure, and we have the right to bear the punisment when what we say is against the law. Go exercise your free speech rights by threatening to kill the President for a practical demonstration.

Real Scootter

June 26th, 2012
7:34 am

Are you willing to take your free-speech absolutism quite that far?

Not really DB.There is a fine line in there somewhere but I don’t know where to draw it.
I’m a very short man DB and got a lot of mean things said to me back in the day.
It hurt my feelings but it didn’t kill me .

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 26th, 2012
7:35 am

“But we all have the right to say what we want too”

actually, no you don’t. You don’t have the right to say things about my appearance that sexually harass me. You don’t have the right to make comments about my race. You don’t have the right to harass me about my religion.

So, no – we don’t have unfettered rights to free speech.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 26th, 2012
7:37 am

“It hurt my feelings but it didn’t kill me .”

but it is killing kids these days – they’re getting harassed in person, on the internet, etc – other kids are making their lives a living hell.

if the video of the bus monitor didn’t prove that to you (and that was them picking on an adult – imaging what they’re like with another kid) – then nothing will

Doggone/GA

June 26th, 2012
7:37 am

“I’m a very short man DB and got a lot of mean things said to me back in the day”

Everyone gets mean things said to, or about, them. That’s no bullying, it’s just bad manners. Bullying is when the intent is to distress, or even hurt, the victim. But bullying can start as just bad manners and if not addressed it can progress to something much worse.

It’s the “broken window” idea behind crime control. Put the effort into finding the petty criminals and you have a very good chance of keeping them from advancing to bigger and bigger crimes.

Real Scootter

June 26th, 2012
7:43 am

OK, I see where you’re coming from, but consider this. To pick on a kid who has a facial deformity, to make that kid ashamed and spiritually may be backed by free speech, but what about plain old good manners?

I see where you are coming from too Normal.And agree! But where do you draw the line?
Pass a law that everyone has to use good manners??

stands for decibels

June 26th, 2012
7:44 am

I’m a very short man DB and got a lot of mean things said to me back in the day.

Sure. I’m not saying you lack empathy; I think most of us either knew people who were unfairly picked on, or were picked on (or who picked on kids and came to regret it later.)

I’m just saying that what Normal’s posted indicates our Senator wants to wriggle out of applying pretty basic standards of decency, as a sop to right-wingers who–let’s call a spade a spade here–want to be free to tell “f@gs” that they’re headed to eternal damnation.

(How I see it anyway, and no, I don’t claim to be an expert on the ins and outs of S.555, so if anyone can enlighten me otherwise I’m open to it.)

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 26th, 2012
7:45 am

“as a sop to right-wingers who–let’s call a spade a spade here–want to be free to tell “f@gs” that they’re headed to eternal damnation.”

don’t you know, they don’t DESERVE our protection – they deserve our scorn … I believe jeebus said it best “do unto others … and post it on Facebook and Twitter”

stands for decibels

June 26th, 2012
7:46 am

…and let’s remember, we’re talking about regulating behavior in schools here, not that of the adult general population.

Real Scootter

June 26th, 2012
7:48 am

OK y’all, I get the message. Now quit picking on me! :grin:

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 26th, 2012
7:49 am

Scooter,

“Pass a law that everyone has to use good manners??”

My personal opinion…yes…or re-instate the dueling laws….

Mary Elizabeth

June 26th, 2012
7:49 am

Insulting is verbal abuse that should not be tolerated, even on this blog. It is a moral issue. Whether it is legal is another thing.

We must elevate consciousness so that others see that insulting, whether to gays or to others, is verbal abuse that should not be condoned either in families, in schools, or in any public arena, including on this blog. Insulting others is not “cool” and it is not indicative of “manly” strength. It is adolescent, mean-spirited, and insulting demeans not only the one who insults but also those who tolerate it.

stands for decibels

June 26th, 2012
7:49 am

UnU, we’re talking about a constituency that is so brainwashed — I can’t prove this, but anecdotal evidence strongly suggests — many seem to think marriage equality means that their own ministers will be forced to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies.

Or, that their ministers will be jailed for preaching to their congregations that homosexual relationships are sinful.

Real Scootter

June 26th, 2012
7:50 am

And thanks for the comebacks,I uderstand a little bit better now.

Peadawg

June 26th, 2012
7:51 am

“But we all have the right to say what we want too.”

Yup. And I have a right to punch you in the f’ing face for bullying me…i.e. self defense. Just b/c you have a right to free speech doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 26th, 2012
7:52 am

dB – 7:49 – I know, I know … it’s that whole homosexual agenda that we ALL have to get gay married and fly the rainbow flag … donchaknow

stands for decibels

June 26th, 2012
7:52 am

Now quit picking on me!

as penance for piling on, I’ll post this…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UnPzp2lmNk

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 26th, 2012
7:53 am

Healthcare is a service and product, not a right

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 26th, 2012
7:53 am

Peadawg

June 26th, 2012
7:54 am

What does everyone think about the hair cutting incident that happened out in Utah? I personally see nothing wrong with it and I’m glad the 13 yr old girls got a taste of their own medicine.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 26th, 2012
7:58 am

Do I have a right to a car and European vacation?

Which government agency do I go to for that?

Real Scootter

June 26th, 2012
7:58 am

I could go with the dueling laws Normal.That’s where being small would come in handy! :smile:

stands for decibels

June 26th, 2012
7:59 am

Utah? Hair cutting? I guess it’s some sexy story du jour, I hadda google it, and found this:

Bruno is now expressing regret for not consulting an attorney before taking her daughter into the courtroom.

“I guess I should have went into the courtroom knowing my rights, because I felt very intimidated,’’ she told the Deseret News.

Ok, my take? The mom should be jailed for saying “have went.”

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 26th, 2012
8:00 am

Peadawg – the only thing that was wrong with the judge’s ruling is that it didn’t include the mother, as well

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 26th, 2012
8:00 am

Just like life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness

Like free speech and the right of assembly

If WE THE PEOPLE want healthcare to be a right

We can make it so, just as we did the others.

And it would be a very good thing.

stands for decibels

June 26th, 2012
8:00 am

…and the judge should’ve shown some mercy, knowing the kid is raised by someone who says “have went.”

I bet she says “Eckspecially” and “Eck Cetera” as well.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 26th, 2012
8:00 am

“Ok, my take? The mom should be jailed for saying “have went.””

:lol:

up against the wall.

stands for decibels

June 26th, 2012
8:01 am

Do I have a right to a car and European vacation?

No. You do have a right to make silly hypotheticals in support of a weak position.

Real Scootter

June 26th, 2012
8:01 am

Peadawg

June 26th, 2012
7:51 am

Do we really have the right to punch someone Pea? I’m thinking not.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 26th, 2012
8:01 am

“Do I have a right to a car and European vacation?”

If that is what you truly want and not just a silly strawman….ORGANIZE.

I wouldn’t support it, but I’d defend your right to fight for it.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 26th, 2012
8:02 am

“Do I have a right to a car and European vacation?”

Jm – don’t be a dick.

unless you honestly think that a European vacation = chemotherapy that could save your life.

Adam

June 26th, 2012
8:02 am

If Obama runs on his record he loses

Only if he runs on the record the right has made up for him. If he runs on what he ACTUALLY, did, however, I am pretty sure he wins.

Thomas

June 26th, 2012
8:02 am

Agreed ME- what about patronizing, belittling, and judging- I assume from prior posts these sins are allowed?

Bud Wiser

June 26th, 2012
8:03 am

What’s the matter, Bookman?

Got no response to yesterday’s SCOTUS ruling on Arizona’s immigration laws, essentially 3 out of 4 struck down?

Or are you waiting patiently by the email box for the stooge response of the day, being written elsewhere for you (known as ‘marching orders)?

And how about the response of the soon-to-be gone Obama administration?

It goes something like this: (paraphrase)

” Hey Arizona, sorry about having to kick you pretty hard on this, but we’re the govt and we’re here to help. Anyway, here’s our plan – we are discontinuing federal operations there on border control and enforcement … you want to be on your own, then have at it. We’re not having any more of our agents killed by guns we gave the cartels, just yours.

“Oh, and that so-called let me see your papers part of your law that SCOTUS said was okay? Well, its not okay with us. In fact, we have now set up a phone hotline for everyone to call if they even think that their civil rights have been violated by your law enforcement folks checking those ‘papers, so LOOK OUT!! We’d call it a bounty pool for how many cops we can nail, but after seeing how the NFL went after the Saints for playing the game, we don’t want to sully our fine reputation with false innuendo and outright lies. We’re perfectly capable of handling that ourselves, thank you. After all, we have Eric Holder, not Roger Goodell.

Enjoy trying to explain away another disgraceful abrogation of federal responsibility, Jay.

Better yet, wait on those talking points being written for you.

Sit … speak… good boy.

Adam

June 26th, 2012
8:03 am

So you lib geniuses, do you think deficit spending like Europe is the way to prosperity??

Actually Europe has been pretty deep into austerity, way more than we did, and they still didn’t balance their budget, they are the ones who had runaway inflation (not us) and their unemployment rate is way higher – all as a result of doing more of what the Republicans want to do to THIS country. No thanks, I say.

Peadawg

June 26th, 2012
8:03 am

“Do we really have the right to punch someone Pea? I’m thinking not.”

If you’re bullying me, damn right I do have the right to defend myself.

Real Scootter

June 26th, 2012
8:04 am

as penance for piling on, I’ll post this…

Thanks DB!! :lol:

stands for decibels

June 26th, 2012
8:04 am

Jm – don’t be a dick.

Doesn’t dickitude constitute an “other defining characteristic?”

Adam

June 26th, 2012
8:05 am

Headline: “A former U.S. president is accusing the current president of sanctioning the “widespread abuse of human rights” by authorizing drone strikes to kill suspected terrorists.”

Yeah… that’ll surely get people to vote for Romney, who would never ever do such a thing himself….

stands for decibels

June 26th, 2012
8:05 am

oooh… SCROTUS SHEETZ.

Adam

June 26th, 2012
8:06 am

HOT AIR
June 26th, 2012
12:54 am

Obama held up his hand and placed his other hand on the Bible and swore under oath to uphold the existing laws of our country – HE LIED.

Oblama
June 26th, 2012
12:57 am

Did Obama lie under oath to uphold the laws of our land? He took his oath of office so that would be a big YES. He’s our liar in chief.

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Anyone notice something about this? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you can’t think for yourself, that’s fine I suppose. It’s a free country after all. But when a child can deliver your message, it’s not because he’s a genius. It’s because intellectually, you’re a child.

Peadawg

June 26th, 2012
8:09 am

“Got no response to yesterday’s SCOTUS ruling on Arizona’s immigration laws, essentially 3 out of 4 struck down?”

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/06/25/supremes-overturn-much-of-arizona-immigration-law/

Idiot

Adam

June 26th, 2012
8:09 am

One thing I never asked but wonder if anyone has any thoughts – why is Scalia basically acting like a talk radio host any time he gets to speak? Is he looking for another thing to do once he quits the Supreme Court?

Real Scootter

June 26th, 2012
8:10 am

If you’re bullying me, damn right I do have the right to defend myself

I’m not so sure about that Peadawg. :???:

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 26th, 2012
8:12 am

Bud Wiser

Time for walkies!

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 26th, 2012
8:24 am

Usinuk

So I have the right to try to live forever on the taxpayer dime, in your view? Ok….

Mary Elizabeth

June 26th, 2012
8:24 am

Thomas, 8:02 am

“Agreed ME- what about patronizing, belittling, and judging- I assume from prior posts these sins are allowed?”
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Obviously, you have a personal problem with my remarks, Thomas. I have said to you, previously, that I have no ill will toward you. My remarks at 7:49 am regarding verbal abuse through insulting were not directed at you, personally. Your remarks, above, were directed at me personally. There is a difference.

I have pointed out to you, before, that when you lay charges at my remarks that you should be caring enough to state the specific remarks that I have made which you perceive to be “patronizing, belittling, or judging.” For instance, one could say that these remarks of mine, posted at 7:49 am, are “patronizing, belittling, or judging” yet those remarks of mine very much needed to be stated by someone on this blog as strongly as I have stated them:
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“Insulting is verbal abuse that should not be tolerated, even on this blog. It is a moral issue. Whether it is legal is another thing.

We must elevate consciousness so that others see that insulting, whether to gays or to others, is verbal abuse that should not be condoned either in families, in schools, or in any public arena, including on this blog. Insulting others is not “cool” and it is not indicative of “manly” strength. It is adolescent, mean-spirited, and insulting demeans not only the one who insults but also those who tolerate it.”
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You, obviously, have a problem with me, or with my remarks, but I consider that to be something you need to work through, yourself. In the meantime, next time you insult me by stating my words are “negative” for whatever reason you perceive, please be ethical enough as to, at least, restate my words to which you refer so that others can judge for themselves the calibre of my remarks, without simply spewing generalized insults at me.

In that I must watch my blood pressure, I will not be addressing you again. However, I wish you well, Thomas, and hope that you are able to resolve your unresolved anger and hostilities.

Recon 0311 2533

June 26th, 2012
8:26 am

Normal,

Isakson is correct The Student Non-Discrimination Act could potentially infringe on free speech. If for an example a student brought up in a Christian environment comments that homosexual acts are sinful, that could be interpreted as harassing behavior. Additionally passing such legislation deems homosexuality as a normal sexual orientation where many view it as a perversion. The schools should enforce a non-bullying policy that addresses all forms of bullying. Passing legislation intended to protect one small group of students is a slippery slope.

Adam

June 26th, 2012
8:37 am

If for an example a student brought up in a Christian environment comments that homosexual acts are sinful, that could be interpreted as harassing behavior

Well, it IS harassing behavior. As is any proselytizing at all. And don’t argue slippery slope with a bunch of people who won’t let kids curse in school.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 26th, 2012
9:15 am

Towncrier — “Yes, perhaps because elected officials on both sides of the isle never meant to take the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 seriously (and obviously). I suppose that will all change when an illegal immigrant they don’t deport turns out to be a terrorist who sets off a nuclear dirty bomb. I guess there will be no end to the hearings then…”

:roll:

I see. So we don’t want the evidence to be a mushroom cloud, is that it?

Come now. You’re a much smarter person than to go in for all that sort of fear-based fooferaw. There are plenty of good reasons to develop a robust, coherent and sensible set of immigration policies and procedures, but dragging terrorism and dirty bombs into your argument unnecessarily muddies the waters IMO.

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