The other side of Romney’s success at Bain
Mitt Romney has made his success in the business world a central theme of his presidential campaign, suggesting that it demonstrates a level of economic understanding that President Obama cannot match.
But as the Washington Post documents, Romney and his company, Bain Capital, achieved that success in part by taking jobs once held by American workers and moving them overseas to places such as China and India, where those jobs could be performed more cheaply:
During the nearly 15 years that Romney was actively involved in running Bain, a private equity firm that he founded, it owned companies that were pioneers in the practice of shipping work from the United States to overseas call centers and factories making computer components, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
While economists debate whether the massive outsourcing of American jobs over the last generation was inevitable, Romney in recent months has lamented the toll it’s taken on the U.S. economy. He has repeatedly pledged he would protect American employment by getting tough on China.
“They’ve been able to put American businesses out of business and kill American jobs,” he told workers at a Toledo fence factory in February. “If I’m president of the United States, that’s going to end.”….
The Post documents a series of cases in which Bain-related companies relocated customer-support, call-center and manufacturing operations overseas to cut costs and raise profits. In addition, Bain was deeply involved in the creation and expansion of Modus Media, which specialized in helping other companies relocate manufacturing facilities overseas:
“Modus Media grew rapidly. In December 1997, it announced it had contracted with Microsoft to produce software and training products at a center in Australia. Modus Media said it was already serving Microsoft from Asian locations in Singapore, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan and in Europe and the United States.
Two years later, Modus Media told the SEC it was performing outsource packaging and hardware assembly for IBM, Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard Co. and Dell Computer Corp. The filing disclosed that Modus had operations on four continents, including Asian facilities in Singapore, Taiwan, China and South Korea, and European facilities in Ireland and France, and a center in Australia.
“Technology companies, in particular, have increasingly sought to outsource the business processes involved in their supply chains,” the filing said. “. . . We offer a range of services that provide our clients with a one-stop shop for their outsource requirements.”
According to a news release issued by Modus Media in 1997, its expansion of outsourcing services took place in close consultation with Bain. Terry Leahy, Modus’s chairman and chief executive, was quoted in the release as saying he would be “working closely with Bain on strategic expansion.” At the time, three Bain directors sat on the corporate board of Modus.”
For Mitt Romney the business person, such a record would be unremarkable. A lot of people have made a lot of money in the last 25 years by moving jobs offshore, and if Romney and Bain Capital were pioneers in the field, as the Post suggests, there was nothing unusual, illegal or even unethical in what they did. Speaking strictly in business terms, their job was to wring out inefficiencies and maximize shareholder profit in a global economy, not to protect the jobs of American workers, and as the Romney campaign likes to stress, they did their job very well and were well-rewarded for it.
For Romney the presidential candidate, however, the situation becomes more complicated. It’s one thing for Lee Raymond, then head of Exxon Mobil, to say that “I’m not a U.S. company and I don’t make decisions based on what’s good for the U.S.” In a business sense that may be understandable; in another sense it comes across as a grating reminder that the search for profit makes no allowance for national loyalty.
In Romney’s case, will an attitude that’s acceptable and perhaps even necessary in a modern business executive be equally acceptable in a person seeking to lead the country? For some Americans — especially those who have watched as their jobs were moved overseas — the details of how Romney achieved his remarkable financial success may turn out to matter a great deal.
– Jay Bookman
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Aquagirl
June 22nd, 2012
8:04 am
the search for profit makes no allowance for national loyalty.
The search for profit doesn’t appear anywhere in our Constitution. It does however contain con scare words like “welfare” and “justice.”
Why people think running the country is like running a business is beyond me. Maybe I don’t spend enough time thinking MAH WALLET is the center of the universe.
Moderate Line
June 22nd, 2012
8:06 am
Both sides seem to exaggerate their own accomplishments and distort the record of their opponents. Factcheck.org is much more reliable than anything found on this blog. It seems Jay’s salary is one big campaign donation to the Obama. Nothing here is points to any of the distortions that Obama has claim.
The three articles below show how Obama is practicing the art of distortion but yet you never hear a single comment from Jay concerning these.
Jay is trying to get Obama reelected. He is not providing us with the best information we need as voters to determine who to vote for.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/lemon-picking-bain-capital-obama-style/
http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-economic-sleight-of-hand/
http://factcheck.org/2012/06/spinning-romneys-debt/
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
8:06 am
I want to know just whose profit Romney would maximize if he were president. And at whose expense. Unfortunately, I already know the answer given that Romney has stated his support of Ryan’s budget proposal but I don’t believe the answers have sunk in yet with 99 percent of the GOP constituency.
Pizzaman
June 22nd, 2012
8:07 am
No big surprise here. The Tighty Righties scream free enterprise. But all it means is Union busting ways to increase the bottom line. On the positive side, the price of oil has made it less expensive to make ‘em here. And since the drive to move everything overseas began the American worker is now the most productive in the World Union or not.
SBinF
June 22nd, 2012
8:08 am
Hmm, I suppose this is why Romney doesn’t want us to discuss his time at Bain….or his time as governor. We should just trust him. He has plans, but he won’t reveal them until after he’s elected. But we can bet that they’ll be better than what Obama has going.
Whahema
June 22nd, 2012
8:08 am
Let’s talk about Obama’s “success” as a community organizer.
Wow, that was quick.
The truth is that Obama was woefully unprepared to be our president and seems to be too arrogant to have learned much on the job.
Get me Rex Kramer
June 22nd, 2012
8:09 am
Jay, I will take Romney’s biz experience over a community organizer any day of the week. The President never had a job in the real world where you had to produce anything. If all of your economic advisers come from academia, you get no where. He should be listening to people who have been successful in the private sector. Where I work, if you don’t produce your gone. That creates motivation and accountabiity. I agree that capitalism is far from perfect, but it is far better than more government intervention. When you have to make a profit to survive, you make smart business decisions or you fail. You can’t legislate motivation. Some people are going to work harder and be willing to sacrifice more to be succesful.
"Let Detroit Go Bankrupt"
June 22nd, 2012
8:15 am
Not only did Mitt not care about the jobs that were being outsourced, he did not care about the auto workers in Detroit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m478fQPUVTw
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
8:16 am
For a moderate line, click here.
Aquagirl
June 22nd, 2012
8:16 am
Where I work, if you don’t produce your gone.
Which is why a community organizer will do a better job as president. The president can’t fire congress when they don’t produce. The president can’t tell people to eff themselves or dismantle departments on a whim. Our last one did outsource a large chunk of the military and apply cost-cutting measures—how do you think that worked out?
SBinF
June 22nd, 2012
8:16 am
Mitt “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt” Romney actually thinks he can win Michigan. Oh, the folly!
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 22nd, 2012
8:17 am
I guess we can all work in restaurants and retail businesses. Those jobs can’t be shipped overseas yet.
Lord Help Us
June 22nd, 2012
8:17 am
I look more at Romney’s record governing Mass. I believe that is a better indicator than his business background.
The difference is an extreme right Congress (at least in the house). Will he bend to their ideology or will be have a spine?
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
8:18 am
In Romney’s case, will an attitude that’s acceptable and perhaps even necessary in a modern business executive be equally acceptable in a person seeking to lead the country?
Or, put another way–which master do you serve now, Mitt? Is it still global business, or is it this country whose Constitution you’re saying you’re ready to protect and defend?
Those of us who get tarred with the “anti-business” label–which is to say, in 2012, those of us who are clear-eyed and rational–are justified at looking at *anyone*, Republican or Democrat who is touting his years of experience in the global business world as a supreme qualifier for holding public office. I’m not saying the twain can never meet, just that there is a twain, and it needs to be recognized.
Good column, Jay.
Thomas
June 22nd, 2012
8:20 am
Amateurish blog. He is applying for a vastly different job. I assume you know that Obama is not paid now to meet college kids in a classroom to teach constitutional law? Probably not.
Travelin music and local news Bookie-
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
8:20 am
The President never had a job in the real world where you had to produce anything.
while that’s not really true, I’d love to know just what it was of tangible value that Mitt, at Bain Capital, actually produced.
Seems to me that he worked with teams of people to shuffle papers and move existing resources around. He didn’t actually produce anything, nor does anyone in the financial industry or any other assorted, very well compensated skimmer-class categories.
And again, we need these services to function. I’m not denying that. But let’s not worship them, or imagine they’re something more than what they are, mmkay?
massachusetts refugee 10.167.4.48
June 22nd, 2012
8:23 am
apparently at wapo, the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/4-pinocchios-for-obamas-newest-anti-romney-ad/2012/06/20/gJQAGux6qV_blog.html?wprss=rss_fact-checker
Sean Smith
June 22nd, 2012
8:23 am
If we want to run the country like a business than the first thing we do is ban our purchasing agents (congressmen) from taking bribes (campaign contributions from companies). No large company I know allows its purchasing agents to be be bought the way our congressmen are. They would be fired.
Unfortunately we have the foxes guarding the hen house.
The Gov has no Money!
June 22nd, 2012
8:23 am
If any of you think Obama “cares” for you then you are insane. He’s a man running for office. He’ll say and do whatever it takes. Name something Romney did that was illegal? Nothing. So, offer something better if you have a problem with him. Otherwise, give him credit and move on to another topic that better suits you.
Oh, and I don’t think Romney “cares” either. I just don’t see him pretending that he does. If you haven’t, go see the old movie Bullworth with Warren Beatty and Hallie Berry. The best political movie ever in my humble opinion. It best nails both parties in my opinion.
kawasaki kid
June 22nd, 2012
8:24 am
While Mitt can certainly brag, “I started out rich and used my business acumen to make myself rich beyond my wildest dreams,” his proposed plan (though nothing too specific) to bring back the economy is simply a continuation of The Bush Years, during which the wealth trickled, nay, shot upward to the top 10%. Republicans have several reliable things going for them – the gun vote (aka the redneck vote), the religious fundamentalist vote, the anti-immigrant vote, and best of all, the wealthy vote. Unfortunately, this will likely be a close election, with Obama’s supporters being less inclined to take the time and trouble to stand in a long line than last election. Hopefully, many of Mitt’s potential voters will also be less inclined to come to the polls because of his religion, his flip flops (can’t be trusted, not a true conservative, etc.), and his elitist aura.
Jay
June 22nd, 2012
8:24 am
Amateurish blog. He is applying for a vastly different job.
So Thomas, I take it that you believe Romney is wrong to campaign on his successes at Bain and wrong to cite his business experience as a credential, given that “he is applying for a vastly different job”?
Or is your statement supposed to apply only to the negative aspects of Romney’s career, and not to the positive aspects of it?
"Let Detroit Go Bankrupt"
June 22nd, 2012
8:25 am
Oh, and I don’t think Romney “cares” either.
__________
He cares but only about the bottom line…making a profit for himself and keeping the top 1% taxes low!
Peadawg
June 22nd, 2012
8:27 am
“The difference is an extreme right Congress (at least in the house). Will he bend to their ideology or will be have a spine?”
If his campaign so far is any indication, I’d say Romney will cave worse than Obama.
Oscar
June 22nd, 2012
8:28 am
Our economy will recover fully until we solve our trade deficit problem. The only other way we have to fix the economy is by stimulus which entaile either cutting taxes or increasing the money supply by government spending. Neither will work well becuase both puts money in the hands of the consumer. As it is now, that money is spent on goods from Asia, creating more jobs in Asia but none in the US.
Further tax cutting or governemtn spending will have limited use, unless it is spending that will encourage manufacturing jobs to stay in the US.
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
8:29 am
Some of the cons posting here must have missed out on their chance to see how much Mitt cared for them over a bowl of cheesy grits.
No Journalism Found Here
June 22nd, 2012
8:29 am
1. Copy and paste talking points from another left leaning publication- WaPo.
2. Blame Bush
3. Blame corporations
4. Raise funds from those corporations you originally blamed
5. Rinse and repeat
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
8:29 am
Romney doesn’t want us to discuss his time at Bain….or his time as governor.
Honest question–what, besides run for President, has Mitt Romney done that’s of service to this country? I really don’t see anything at the wiki page that indicates he’s done anything besides form a PAC.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but couldn’t he have done something useful and productive in service to this nation he claims he wants to lead, besides that? I’m not saying he’d have to run another Olympics, but at least some charitable effort, some uncontroversial foundation work? Has he done none of that? (I realize the wiki page isn’t the be-all and end-all and maybe someone can point to something I’m missing, here.)
If he really has just been doing ###k-all these past five years, with all his supposed management abilities and undeniable financial resources, that ought to be something of an issue, no?
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
8:30 am
“The other side of Romney’s success at Bain”–Jay “Sour Grapes” Bookman
Jay Bookman continues on with the Party line of Obama’s WAR on SUCCESS!
Leftwing simpletons, like Jay and the other Socialists, never understood the time tested reality of RISING TIDES LIFTS ALL BOATS.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 22nd, 2012
8:30 am
Obama’s Success as a community Organizer?
On the Streets of Chicago, a Candidate Comes of Age
As a community organizer, Obama was a pragmatic leader
Vote of Confidence
Sometimes that only 2 linkees per post is a drag…..
SpareME
June 22nd, 2012
8:30 am
People KILL me with all their “producer” BullS— Every discipline has a purpose in a so-called “civilized” society, which I am becoming more convinced by the day the U.S. is not. If it were not for those in Academia on various levels, all these “producers” wouldn’t know — to allow them to be able to produce. For the record, Obama worked at a LAW FIRM before becoming a professor and subsequent IL Senator. Also, by the way he has been the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES for the past four years. You know….when Bin Laden and Khadafi left the earth and so many others, Egypt and Lybia entered a new day,American hostages rescued at sea, the American Automobile industry was saved and we where brought back from the brink of a DEPRESSION???
By the way, I am also a “producer” and in a pretty major way by the way. One thing I am not though is a LIAR, think my — doesn’t stink, or so shallow and filled with hatred that I feel that only my accomplishments and those that do what I do are valid. Some of you people are useless and should just call it a life. Seriously. Finally, Producer = glorified slave
Just so you know. Go ahead and open the tray and retrieve your peanut. “You ain’t nobody!”
Get me Rex Kramer
June 22nd, 2012
8:31 am
Aquagirl, you just don’t get it. Because government and unions can’t fire people, you get poor performance and no accountability. Ever compared a post office to a FedEx store? Not being able to fire lousy teachers is another great example. Being President means having the real world experience to make tough choices. Life isn’t fair, and most government programs only encourage people to do less. Liberals say Conservatives are out of touch and don’t care. Not true. Conservatives do care, but we think instead of feel.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 22nd, 2012
8:33 am
socialists?
yep, we’re hiding all those WMDS guarded by the secret army to use when we take away all your guns.
dunderhead
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
8:34 am
U gotta be kidding jay! Back to Bashing Bain?? LOL… You libs are certainly grasping for straws.. Clintoon, Booker, and Ford put that narrative to rest when they said how wildly successful Romney was at Bain but you loons want to keep harping on it..
EJ Moosa
June 22nd, 2012
8:34 am
I wonder just how many businesses have been lost because the private sector lost $5 trillion in investment capital because it had to be used to purchase US treasuries to fund the spending by Obama?
Georgia had the foruth highest increase in unemployment claims this week, traililing California, Texas, and just one other state.
Those are real losses happening today.
The more you revisit Bain and ignore what is happening economically today, the more the rest of us realize that Obama was just a aone hit wonder.
And that was three and one half years ago.
Oscar
June 22nd, 2012
8:35 am
Romney wants to get tough with China. It’s not just China that is stealing our jobs. There is also South Korea, India, Braizil, and Germany on the other side of the world. And a lot of other smaller countries.
Romeny hurt us badly in outsourcing. If he gets tough with China like he says, he will hurt us worse.
the cat
June 22nd, 2012
8:35 am
I am more concerned with how Mitt would handle foreign policy than jobs at this point. He is surrounding himself with all the Bush advisers and we know that didn’t turn out so well.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
8:36 am
Is this where I’m supposed to remind the topic-grumblers that the AJC has a political columnist with a coupla active threads that dump all over Obama and democrats, where they could voice their support to such efforts, instead of coming here and griping about Jay’s hacktacularnessosity, or whatever they call it?
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
8:37 am
Rightwing simpletons have yet to note that the gap between the wealthiest 1% and the 99% grew under Bush so that would mean in reality that the rising tide lifts the 1% while the rest serve as cheap anchors.
Oh. And I shouldn’t forget the most important part of the post:
Oscar
June 22nd, 2012
8:37 am
I have compared Fed Ex to the Post Office. Fed Ex charges me $15 to mail a letter. The post office charges 44 cents. I use the post office.
Company Saviors or Robber Barons?
June 22nd, 2012
8:37 am
Stands for decibels…..good point and one I would take a step further.
As Jay stated, there is nothing illegal about private equity, but I struggle to find admiration for its participants. The Economist has done many articles on the space over the years and found its returns are no higher than investing in market indexes after covering the industries high fees, (2% management fee, plus 20% fee on all gains). I would proffer that the industry is a microcosm of our economy as a whole. It takes companies and applies financial engineering to them by increasing their leverage, (which has a favorable tax treatment, but increases company risk profiles), and then further increases margins by cutting costs typically earned by the middle class, ie wages, such that ownership can reap those gains.
To boil it down, private equity has been an accelerant on the accumulation of wealth by the top 1%. Perhaps this would have taken place at a slower pace without private equity’s helping hand, but I struggle to understand the admiration some people have for this industry.
Ayn Rant
June 22nd, 2012
8:38 am
… Just goes to show why we don’t want our government run like a business! Notice how Big Business is more concerned with financial manipulation than with producing anything useful.
Romney, by way of inheritance, has been shielded all his life from real work, real business, and real life. He lives in a la-la land of squeaky clean people, goody-goody religion, trust funds, private jets, car elevators, and a “coupla Cadillacs”.
Oscar
June 22nd, 2012
8:38 am
I am more concerned with how Mitt would handle foreign policy than jobs at this point. He is surrounding himself with all the Bush advisers and we know that didn’t turn out so well.
_______
It turned out very well for the people at Halliburton and other large corporations that make up the Military Industiral Comples. And to Bush’s advisors, those were the people that counted. They are now backing Romeny.
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
8:39 am
“The other side of Romney’s success at Bain”–Jay Bookman
Another one of Jay Bookman’s desperate and pituful attempts to take the peanut gallery’s’ focus OFF of Comrade Obama’s Ineptitude. Pretty WEAK, Jay.
DOn't Tread
June 22nd, 2012
8:39 am
“Romney and his company, Bain Capital, achieved that success in part by taking jobs once held by American workers and moving them overseas to places such as China and India, where those jobs could be performed more cheaply”
I guess he needs to give Bill Clinton a call and thank him for making that possible.
Remember that “sucking sound” Ross Perot used to talk about? It’s not limited to North America.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 22nd, 2012
8:40 am
Friday can’t get here fast enough for SpareME?
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
8:40 am
lost $5 trillion in investment capital because it had to be used to purchase US treasuries to fund the spending by Obama?
if you actually believe that the 5T in debt you speak of is because of “the spending by Obama,” you’re either a liar, or insane.
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
8:40 am
Just to give you a little advice Jay and a heads up the Axelrod scandal is going to be the next one to come down the pipe… His firm took in millions to promote Obamacare! This is shaping up to be one of the most corrupt administrations in history…
http://investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=2234&mn=447565&pt=msg&mid=11845476
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
8:41 am
The perverted neoliberals that run the GOP, including Mitt Romney, are the most dangerous people in the most dangerous organization on the planet.
Bar none.
If you want your kids to work for damn near nothing – with the prospects that they will earn the same basic income forty years from now that they would today – vote Republican.
No matter whether they are just starting out and earning a minimum wage that is LESS than it was in 1968 (!!!), (in adjusted inflation dollars) or if they are a mid-level employee working for pennies on the dollar so that the Mitts of the world can take more money out of the company in one day than they will in a year.
All with the very real prospect that their job will be “relocated’ to India or China within the year.
The good news?
A whole sh*tload of fake conservatives are getting absolutely murdered – due to four decades of flatlined wages – by the very policies that they adore and support.
Somebody explain that one to me.
Occupy that, neocons…
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
8:41 am
…and I’ll add if you think that the $5T figure you guys LOVE to toss around would be significantly changed under a McCain/Palin administration, you’re also either lying or insane.
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
8:41 am
Rumor has it that Bill Kristol is Mitt’s top pick for his foreign policy brain trust.
Aquagirl
June 22nd, 2012
8:41 am
Get Rex, I’d take you more seriously if you didn’t sound like a random phrase generator stuck between talk radio and corporate buzzspeak.
A string of unrelated copypasta is poor support for your claim you’re all thinky and cerebral.
Get me Rex Kramer
June 22nd, 2012
8:42 am
TaxPayer, most 1%’s don’t start out as 1%’s. The work hard and sacrifice for years to get where they are. You libs want to create a society where everyone is successful, but you will never get everyone to make the effort that is required. I love it how libs want to tear down the very people that have made themselves rich by incredibly hard work. Guess what, the hardest working people I know are those terrible 1%’s.
Talking Head
June 22nd, 2012
8:43 am
When Mitt Romney was sworn in as Gov of Mass he faced a $3 billion budget deficit for FY03, when he left office the deficit for FY07 $307 million deficit.
Unemployment was 5.6% when he took office, ending at 4.7% when he left office.
Can’t quite say the same for Obama’s executive leadership.
the cat
June 22nd, 2012
8:44 am
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
8:41 am
Rumor has it that Bill Kristol is Mitt’s top pick for his foreign policy brain trust.
And if that doesn’t scare the beejeebus out of parents with draft age kids, nothing will.
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
8:44 am
Get Rex,
Got link. It’s the next best thing to milk.
Mighty Righty
June 22nd, 2012
8:45 am
When Barack Obama took over General Motora and Chrysler by force he closed many american businesses. More than 1000 chrysler dealerships were closed at a loss of thousands of jobs. In addition sub contractors went out of business caused by the loss of jobs resultinh from the Obama Seizure of GM and Chrysler.. Chrysler was sold to a foreign company at a discounted price which was subsidized by we taxpayers. Since the seizure of GM and Chrysler by the Obama Administration the new GM and Chrysler are now manufacturing many of their parts in foreign countries. Welcome to the new world!
Oscar
June 22nd, 2012
8:45 am
The US now has the lowest rate of upward mobility of any industriial counrty. We are even below France, that socialist country in Europe
Lack of upward mobiltity is a serious problem in any counrty. If the brightest and most able can’t work their way to the top, bad things happen.
Get me Rex Kramer
June 22nd, 2012
8:45 am
Hey Aquagirl, typical lib response. I get my opinions from working in the real word, not from any polictical hack pundit. I wasn’t given a damn thing. I had to work my ass off and sacrifice to become successful. What do you do for a living????? I couldn’t care less if you take me seriously. I know how things work, because I have lived it.
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
8:46 am
Taxpayer should go out and earn her own income instead of counting the success of others and envying it.
You have all of the ability to be successful in life, Taxpayer. You just need to change your attitude and go “make it happen”.
Quite sitting on the sidelines and HENPECKING those who are not afraid to go out in the world and ACCOMPLISH great feats and SUCCEED .
You can do it. (not being sarcastic) … oh yeah… the most important part: a smile and a good attitude.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
8:46 am
a little advice Jay and a heads up
If Jay ever thinks he needs advice from Joseph, I’m pretty sure his living will directives will ensure that they remove all life support expeditiously.
Jay
June 22nd, 2012
8:47 am
Joseph, that’s a big bunch of nothing.
The fact that such a “scandal” is the best you can gin up demonstrates that this has been one of the most ethical, honest administrations in memory.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 22nd, 2012
8:48 am
In “Born on Third Base,” they reported the results in baseball terms. They found that 43.35% of the richest 400 were actually born on home plate. They simply inherited their way onto the list.
Inheritances also appeared to help many people “work” their way onto the list: 6.85% were born on third base. In other words, they inherited over $50 million to begin their journey to wealth.
Five and three-quarter percent were born on second base, inheriting $150 million; 13.9% were born on first base, being merely upper class; and the remaining 30.1% started in the batter’s box, having parents who did not have “great wealth or business with more than a few employees.”
nincompoop
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 22nd, 2012
8:50 am
these neocons wouldn’t know true free enterprise if it bit em on the ass.
they fix the game, hoard the profits, and socialize the losses.
I do this ebby day.
and the last 3 ‘bidness-mens’ to hold the office -
Warren Harding, Herbert Hoover, and Little Nero w/a Cowboy Hat.
yeah, buddy…..
EJ Moosa
June 22nd, 2012
8:50 am
“if you actually believe that the 5T in debt you speak of is because of “the spending by Obama,” you’re either a liar, or insane.”
You are lying to yourself if you think that dollars that are pulled and go to public spending do not cost the private sector,
You can call me a liar as you hide behind a phoney name. No problem.
The Federal Debt numbers say I am telling the truth, however, and you are not.
Obama has not vetoed any spending bills. He is POTUS.
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
8:50 am
Why no mention of the beating the SEIU (unions) once again received at the hands of the Supreme Court??
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
8:52 am
“The other side of Romney’s success at Bain”
Funny how Jay has yet to expound on Obama’s pulling “Executive Privilege” AFTER trashing George Bush for using it…
Bain PALES in comparison to the Commander in Chief COVERING UP for FAST and FURIOUS!
Jay knows that Obama is in real trouble… The crack are growing and the money ain’t a flowing…
Jack
June 22nd, 2012
8:52 am
If you start a business without making a profit being your motivation, you won’t be in business very long. If you start a business with the idea you’re going to be a real nice person and let your employees dictate your business model, you won’t in business very long.
Tundra Dude
June 22nd, 2012
8:52 am
Rex Kramer, wrote in part:
The President never had a job in the real world where you had to produce anything.
For the most part, “private equity” produces profits by burying companies in debt, and firing workers.
David Brooks Gets Private Equity Wrong for the Team
http://bit.ly/MG8YYM
Why Does Mitt Romney Like Firing People? Because He Made $20,000 On Every Laid-Off Worker
http://bit.ly/MQf7Th
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
8:53 am
“The other side of Romney’s success at Bain”–Jay Bookman
MORE BLUSTER FROM JAY.
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2012
8:53 am
“Our economy will recover fully until we solve our trade deficit problem”
I’m 60 years old and I’ve been listening to bitching about the trade deficit for at least 45 years. Through good economies and bad. Personally, I don’t thing the trade deficit matters a hill of beans.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
8:53 am
Talking Head @ 8.43, what about Mitt Romney’s crowning gubernatorial achievement–providing $50 abortions on demand to all Massachusetts residents?
Don’t you think you ought to tout that one as well?
Don't Tread
June 22nd, 2012
8:53 am
“this has been one of the most ethical, honest administrations in memory”
You really can’t make this stuff up.
Tell it to Agent Terry’s family.
larry
June 22nd, 2012
8:54 am
I have read where Staples was one of Bain’s and Romney’s success stories. Made the company more efficent it said.
Well, i remember when our small town had a Staples, it did very well, had a lot of business. Until ….
it was shut down. I talked to some of the employees and they said the reason it was being shut down is our town and our area do not have the population to sustain the sales figures that it was getting . I said , What ? They said that their computer program said the numbers werent there. So Staples, dispite doing good business was closed down . 32 jobs lost. Now that might sound like much in Gwinnett or Cobb , but here , in Stephens, thats a lot of jobs. Thanks to Bain Capital and Mr. Romney.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
8:54 am
AFTER trashing George Bush for using it…
cite, please.
Get me Rex Kramer
June 22nd, 2012
8:54 am
Granny, most 1%’s are not in the richest 400 category. Again, they worked very hard to get there. We pay far more taxes, when nearly have pay none. Please don’t say that those paying no fed income tax pay payroll taxes. Heaven forbid people actually have to contribute to their health and income benefits for retirement.
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
8:55 am
Jay:
Fast & Furious which resulted in a death, leaked documents, stimulus money doled out to Obama bundlers, Axelrod taking money, Holder not pursuing charges against the black kittens, voter fraud galore not pursued. Yes this is a straight and narrow ship. LOL…
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
8:56 am
Bain Capital… Really???
GALLUP: OBAMA JOB APPROVAL FALLS TO 43%…
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
8:56 am
stands for decibels:
Just giving him a heads up for damage control. I’m sure he got the memo though…
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
8:56 am
You are lying to yourself if you think that dollars that are pulled and go to public spending do not cost the private sector,
Read your words. You attributed 5T in debt to “Obama’s spending.”
That’s a beyond-idiotic characterization of the situation, and you know it.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
8:57 am
Again, they worked very hard to get there.
Cite, please.
martin the calvinist
June 22nd, 2012
8:57 am
I get it now Granny, since the wealthiest 400, or most of them, inherit wealth from family, the solution is to raise the death (or estate) tax to 100% and let the gov’t decide who gets the money. Since the only fair entity in the world is a gov’t ran by Democrats…..
EJ Moosa
June 22nd, 2012
8:57 am
“If you start a business without making a profit being your motivation, you won’t be in business very long. If you start a business with the idea you’re going to be a real nice person and let your employees dictate your business model, you won’t in business very long.”
This goes along with it:
If you start a government agency and your agency fails in it’s task, your budget will be increased. Your head count will increase. Your powers will increase.
In government, failure is rewarded.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
8:57 am
Where are the biodiesel posts, Jay?
kayaker 71
June 22nd, 2012
8:58 am
“One of the most ethical, honest administrations in memory”…… BWhahahahahahahahahahahahah
markie mark
June 22nd, 2012
8:58 am
Oscar – “I have compared Fed Ex to the Post Office. Fed Ex charges me $15 to mail a letter. The post office charges 44 cents. I use the post office.”
Oscar, first of all have you noticed that FedEx does not advertise itself as a way to just “mail a letter”? Their business model is for sending critical documents…..and last I heard, the post office you so admire is loosing millions annually, trying to drastically reduce its workforce, its locations, its distribution centers, and reducing its hours of operation by about 16% (Saturday deliverys)
Man, talk about comparing apples and…..and…..elephants, I guess
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
8:58 am
Jay:
Are you related to Jay Carney? You dodge and duck as much as he does to try and talk about irrelevant news storys that no one cares about…
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
8:58 am
Where’s the six-part series on the glories of single-payer health insurance I asked for?
U R A HACKKK!!!!
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
8:58 am
I think I hit USMC’s tickle spot. By the way, USMC, give us all a description of what you do relative to that 8:46 post. Have you always been a dependent of the taxpayer and whined about it or did the whines only start after Obama was elected.
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
9:00 am
Jay you haven’t even mentioned the G20. Is there a reason why? Perhaps it’s because our dear leader looked so juvenile and incoherent compared to other world leaders…
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
9:01 am
BAIN CAPITAL… LOL! It sounds like things are worse than expected behind the secret curtain of the Obama Regime…
FLASHBACK 2007: Obama Attacked Trying “To Hide Behind Executive Privilege”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpwYh9TD6Nc
Clinton was right… Obama would be better suited serving coffee… Uh… Uh…. Uh…
larry
June 22nd, 2012
9:01 am
You dodge and duck as much as he does to try and talk about irrelevant news storys that no one cares about…
Then why are you posting on his blog ?
Company Saviors or Robber Barons?
June 22nd, 2012
9:01 am
Joseph,
Any evidence on this voter fraud? Given that the Bush administration had 8 years to address this supposed epidemic, can you offer any citations for their prosecution of this plague?
To quote the Daily Show’s John Oliver…..I’m sure their has been tens of cases of voter fraud in this country.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-12-2012/purge-overkill—john-oliver—florida-s-voter-registration-law
JohnnyReb
June 22nd, 2012
9:02 am
There is no better person to help fix the problems that run companies overseas than one who knows the details.
Companies don’t take jobs overseas to be unpatriotic. They are about profits.
The fix is not some smoothering regulation designed to produce social justice.
The fix is to level the playing field. That usually means getting government out of the equation.
Cosby
June 22nd, 2012
9:02 am
At least it was legal and ethical..not to say 1/2 billion of taxpayers money to the anoited ones supporters inthe green energy that created 900 jobs…wow, or how about NLRB violating the 10th amendment, losing jobs to South Carolina, or the annoited one’s attack on the coal and oil industry – remember his campaign promise – I will bankrupt the coal Industry – or his promise to pay Brazil at least two billion dollars of tax payer money to drill off shore to ship to China while shutting down the oil industry in the US – watch you electric bill or perhaps the anoited ones’ saving Government Motors with $100 billion of Taxpayers money and GM is now worth about $34 billion…or the annoited one breaking the constitution on illegal immigration or his attack on the states who are attempting to make sure each vote is legal, or his involvement into fast adn furious..gee I could go on with unconstitutional acts by the Chicago thugs of Obama – aka Barry Soetoro..but there is not enough time..Jay keep pounding Mitt but watch your back because your boy will have you picking cotton on the white house lawn..sad very sad one gets away with destroying the constitution because of the color of his skin or preceived color as that to is a lie
massachusetts refugee 10.167.4.48
June 22nd, 2012
9:02 am
spare me – By the way, I am also a “producer” and in a pretty major way by the way.
i think there’s a pill for that now…
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
9:03 am
Anyone want to bet that the Obama surrogates will go out on the Sunday shows spewing more nonsense about Bain… Maybe it will work out better than it did last time.. LOL… I doubt it..
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
9:03 am
Get Rex,
Please share with us your knowledge of all those people that don’t pay taxes.
Here’s something to help you get started.
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
9:03 am
The Amateur… Comrade Obama. GREAT READ!
http://www.amazon.com/The-Amateur-Edward-Klein/dp/1596987855/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340370089&sr=8-1&keywords=the+amateur+barack+obama+in+the+white+house
(comes in audiobook for those with reading disabilities)
Aquagirl
June 22nd, 2012
9:04 am
What do you do for a living?????
Fight super-villains, of course. Some of us just aren’t cut out for desk jobs.
Seriously, I work for myself now. Most of my jobs working for others haven’t been traditional big-money producers, they revolved around mission statements instead of profit. There’s a distinct difference in organizations where your aims aren’t primarily financial. You still have to be efficient because resources are never infinite, despite the fevered imaginations of conservatives.
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
9:04 am
larry:
Because I sell computer keyboards for a living and when I post liberals spew foam all over theirs and have to buy another one… LOL…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 22nd, 2012
9:05 am
Rexie baby…
The info from Forbes casts serious doubt on your original claim.
So since that proves questionable – so does your follow up.
Can you prove what you claim?
If not….we shall ignore it as just your fee fees.
Ol' Timer
June 22nd, 2012
9:05 am
The simple truth of the matter is that those with a business backgroud, by and large, have made horrible POTUS.
Of the twenty presidents in the modern era (since 1900) five had significant business careers before enterig politics. They were Warren G. Harding, Herbert Hoover, Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush, considered by historians to be the worst.
George H. W. Bush is considered the most successful businessman turned president if you exclude Harry S. Truman who was a failed businessman.
So, based on historoy, businessmen don’t do very well in the White House, so touting that background is not necessarily a big plus for Mitt Romney.
Donovan
June 22nd, 2012
9:06 am
Thanks Jay, for that rousing soapbox auditory of patriotism and Romney bashing. However, let’s point out a few things here.
Once again you make reference to the Washington Post as a reliable source of information. That is like asking the wheel man in a bank hold-up to vouch for the characters of his robbing crew.
Once again you can’t defend your party’s candidate, based on his record, so you revert to the Bain Capital thing again. This time it’s the off-shoring Democrat propaganda crap mixed in with the profit angle. You failed to mention that it was your thug union buddies who made it impossible for companies in this country to make a profit. Here’s a news bulletin: Americans don’t care for unions anymore and Americans like Bain Capital. You are dispensing kool aid and preaching to the choir son.
The electorate has woken up and it supports capitalism, entrepreneur business, and sound management. Romney personifies these qualities. Obama personifies community activism and anti-capitalism. You’ve hitched your horse to a loser with nothing more than a monicker of Hope & Change. America wants more than a stupid slogan to remove itself from its malaise.
Nice try with this dumb hit piece this morning, but liberals are the only ones buying into your character assassin editorial. Save it for lunchtime with Luckovich.
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
9:06 am
Cosby -”At least it was legal and ethical..not to say 1/2 billion of taxpayers money to the anoited ones supporters ”
Please try to be original. Annointed one is Hannitys, are you not capable of coming up with your own child like description for the POTUS?
kayaker 71
June 22nd, 2012
9:06 am
We have an Attorney General who is on the verge of a contempt citation and a President who is spitting on the Constitution and we get a Bain Capital rant. This is going to get worse, Bookman, much worse. How many more threads do you run on those evil Republicans in the GA General Assembly and Romney’s underhanded actions with Bain Capital until you get to the real stories of the day?
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
9:06 am
Its really sad that the Obama regime could care less about the Terry family….
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/21/parents-murdered-border-agent-brian-terry-accuse-obama-officials-hiding/#
Peadawg
June 22nd, 2012
9:07 am
Good grief those who are bitching about Jay not calling out Obama for all the crap he’s doing, Kyle’s blog is —->> that way. Jay’s a liberal blogger. Jay’s not going to call Obama out. Kyle’s a republican blogger. Kyle’s not going to call Romney out.
Can Joseph, USMC, et al not get that?
Talking Head
June 22nd, 2012
9:07 am
“Talking Head @ 8.43, what about Mitt Romney’s crowning gubernatorial achievement–providing $50 abortions on demand to all Massachusetts residents?
Don’t you think you ought to tout that one as well?”
But but but…abortion! That’s your response to an example of real executive leadership? Besides, you make a false claim. Mass Supreme Court mandated that insurance plans cover abortions before Romney was even Gov. The $50 abortion you speak of was not in his original bill and was placed in by the over whelming majority of Dems in the Mass State House and Senate.
“And the law Romney signed said nothing about abortion. Instead, the state exchange later determined that subsidized insurance plans would cover abortion. That follows two Massachusetts Supreme Court rulings, in 1981 and 1997, that said the state must cover medically necessary abortions. Some have said that Romney should have put limits on abortion coverage in the Massachusetts health care law, but the legislation actually says nothing on this topic.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/pac-strains-abortion-facts/
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
9:09 am
Kayaker 71 – “This is going to get worse, Bookman, much worse”
When are your parents coming for you?
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
9:11 am
“Jay you haven’t even mentioned the G20. Is there a reason why? Perhaps it’s because our dear leader looked so juvenile and incoherent compared to other world leaders…”–Joseph
Great point, Josef.I guess whatever happened at Bain Capital DECADES ago is more important. Obama got B!otch-Slapped like a lackey at the G20; he was simply shell-shocked when the Russians got through with him. Comrade Putin is running circles around our inexperienced, weak President and it shows. The Russians smell blood and are attacking this weak Community Organizing Buffoon.
“RESET BUTTON” LOL! Are you kidding me?
This just in… The Obama Regime is now PIVOTING to JOBS, JOBS, JOBS…
larry
June 22nd, 2012
9:13 am
Can Joseph, USMC, et al not get that?
Why no !! The want us to spew. Spew foam.
So they can sell us new keyboards. Its a marketing scheme i guess.
Of course i dont spew. Foam or anything else.
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2012
9:13 am
“A business that makes nothing but money is a poor business.”
Henry Ford
“An idealist is a person who helps other people to be prosperous.”
Henry Ford
“Coming together is a beginning; keeping together is progress; working together is success.”
Henry Ford
massachusetts refugee 10.167.4.48
June 22nd, 2012
9:14 am
peadawg – the answer is to simply ignore them, otherwise their massive self importance just gets inflated further…
Company Saviors or Robber Barons?
June 22nd, 2012
9:14 am
Donovan’s refusal to read newspapers like the Washington Post goes a long way in explaining how a recent study found that almost 2 in 3 Republicans still believe there were WMDs in Iraq and that President Obama was born in Kenya.
GET OUT OF YOUR BUBBLES!!!!!!
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~nyhan/nyhan-reifler.pdf
OBIWAN
June 22nd, 2012
9:15 am
For once I believe what a democrat says, and this liberal blog is proof….
Retiring DEMOCRATIC Congressman Ackerman, “The People Have Gotten Dumber”
Talking Head
June 22nd, 2012
9:15 am
Romney : Executive leadership to run on
Obama : Executive leadership to run away from
Oscar
June 22nd, 2012
9:15 am
Markie, Man, talk about comparing apples and…..and…..elephants, I guess
_______
It was you that started comparing Fed Ex and the US Post Office, not me.
Get me Rex Kramer
June 22nd, 2012
9:15 am
Aguagirl, I respect you wanting to work to help others. The world needs more good people like you. But the pursuit of profit should not be penalized. It should be encouraged. It is how companies produce iPad’s, new state of the art medical equipment, drugs etc. Steve Jobs did not start Apple so he could make mission statements. It was for wealth, and it has benefited everyone. I have no illusions that capitalism is perfect. There are plenty of disadvatages. However, it is far better than any other system in a world that is not fair.
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
9:16 am
“Can Joseph, USMC, et al not get that?”–Peadawg
Let’s all thank Peadawg for filling in as the Hallway Monitor.
(You won’t get very far in life by Sucking Up, PeaDawg)
Oblama
June 22nd, 2012
9:17 am
The Dems outsourced their souls ………… time for a change.
Peadawg
June 22nd, 2012
9:20 am
“(You won’t get very far in life by Sucking Up, PeaDawg)” – Not sucking up. Just getting tired of it. Go over to Kyle’s blog to talk about Obama. Don’t expect Jay to call him out on anything (as we saw yesterday, Jay makes excuses for and defends Obama on most everything).
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
9:23 am
President Obama plays 100th round of golf, draws fire from critics
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57454890-503544/president-obama-plays-100th-round-of-golf-draws-fire-from-critics/
The Community Organizer President seems to like the Bourgeoisie Life style. Hypocrite?
kayaker 71
June 22nd, 2012
9:24 am
“The most honest administration in memory” …… I just can’t get over it. And someone with Bookman’s supposed intelligence has the audacity to post a statement like this. This administration is full of lies, deceit, bribery, closed door arm twisting and Constitution bashing, not to mention the narcissistic arrogance that goes along with just being Bozo. Have you read David Limbaugh’s book, “The Great Destroyer”?. It carefully documents all of the above plus a whole hell of a lot more. Get your head out of your arse and smell the roses, liberals. November can’t be far away.
barking frog
June 22nd, 2012
9:26 am
Kudos to Tom Hamburger
Reporter for WaPo and Alice Crites Researcher who
provided this column for
cut and paste. Tom did
not provide linkees..guess
Tom will defend his
originality, when he begins
to allow comments..
MiltonMan
June 22nd, 2012
9:26 am
Bill Clinton >>>> Jay Bookman.
Clinton on Romney = “Sterling business career”
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/05/clinton-romneys-business-record-sterling-124980.html
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2012
9:27 am
“But the pursuit of profit should not be penalized”
Nor should it be deified
Aquagirl
June 22nd, 2012
9:27 am
But the pursuit of profit should not be penalized. It should be encouraged.
I have no issues with pursuit of profit or capitalism myself. If people want to make money and get rich, good for them. But my original point was that excelling in corporate efficiency does not equal good at running a government. If we wanted a low-cost efficient military we’d return to the draft and let Veterans with brain injuries fend for themselves. This would neither provide for the common defense or promote the general welfare of the U.S.
Government =/= a big corporation. That doesn’t mean either are inherently evil or a scourge on humanity.
kimmer
June 22nd, 2012
9:27 am
Having spent the last 26 years working for global, publicly owned businesses and I can tell you unequivocally that business people very easily wear two hats. The first is a business hat. In the working world there is a little thing called competition. That competition REQUIRES one to maximize shareholder value or else you are quickly run out of business. If the business rules that everybody must play by make it more profitable to move operations overseas then that is what you do. Unfortunately our government has made that decision all to easy by creating a burdensome business environment in this country but they rarely get a share of the blame.
The second is a private citizen hat. These same business professionals are as a general rule VERY patriotic citizens and would love to see the US create a business climate that keeps jobs here. As president Mr. Romney’s job would be quite different and I will guarantee you he will do his best to KEEP jobs in the US but not by force of government because that does not work. But by leveling the playing field so that the US is competitive in the global economy.
larry
June 22nd, 2012
9:28 am
Ut oh!!! They are trying this mess up here now……………….
Ok Georgians, it’s your turn to be on your toes.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that after a state-level investigation, Fulton County, Georgia identified at least 2,400 voters it believed to be registered to vote at vacant lots. Like with the Florida purge, county elections officials began sending letters to those voters to determine whether they lived at those address. Unfortunately, as with Florida, they ran into a major problem:
State Sen. Vincent Fort, D-Atlanta, has cried foul, citing the county’s embarrassment when it sent letters to residents of a senior high-rise earlier this month telling them that their building doesn’t exist and that, to prove otherwise, they needed to show up for a hearing. Elections Director Sam Westmoreland apologized, but Fort said the error proves his process is flawed
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
9:28 am
“Just getting tired of it”–Peadawg
Peadawg, I understand what you are saying. But what is really at heart here is the LACK of HONESTY by Jay and the other Extreme Leftwing Party Operatives.
I would get tired of TRYING to defend Obama and the Leftwing Socialist ideology too, so I feel for you there.
SpareME
June 22nd, 2012
9:28 am
@massachusetts refugee
“i think there’s a pill for that now…”
Yes, there is!! Too bad the woman that birthed you missed hers that day.
massachusetts refugee 10.167.4.48
June 22nd, 2012
9:28 am
71 – This administration is full of lies, deceit, bribery, closed door arm twisting and Constitution bashing, not to mention the narcissistic arrogance,
like every other administration in history.
Company Saviors or Robber Barons?
June 22nd, 2012
9:29 am
Did Kayaker just cite Rush’s little brother as a source for real political insight?
East Cobb RINO
June 22nd, 2012
9:30 am
The idea that just because someone ran a profitable business makes him qualified to run a country falls along the same lines as war hero generals will make a great President. Both types are accustomed to a more dictatator style leadership where they give orders and those around him follow without question. That may work within the walls of 1600 Pennsylvania avenue but good luck with that in Congress.
Ronnie Raygun
June 22nd, 2012
9:31 am
So now Republicans are against the FBI investigating Mexican drug lords and gun smugglers. That explains why they want to keep the names of their super PAC donors a secret.
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
9:31 am
“State Sen. Vincent Fort, D-Atlanta, has cried foul…”
Vincent Fort is a RACIST/BIGOT, so you can simply discount everything he says.
Erwin's cat
June 22nd, 2012
9:31 am
Yeah right, they shoulda kept those jobs here, then gone under because they couldn’t compete globally and then lost all the jobs and and companies in total…that would have been a better option?
MiltonMan
June 22nd, 2012
9:31 am
Larry, are you surprised that Fulton County government screwed up again???
The democrats running this county are morons that are about as smart as your average grub worm.
larry
June 22nd, 2012
9:31 am
Like with Florida, the elections department said it was acting on a request from the office of Georgia Secretary of State Brian P. Kemp (R).
Westmoreland conceded that about half of the people on the list have already responded and shown that they indeed live at the addresses they claim.
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/senator-assails-effort-to-1462130.html
Recon 0311 2533
June 22nd, 2012
9:32 am
“The other side of Romney’s success at Bain”
Jay, wake up call…the Obama campaign’s attempts to use Bain against Romney have failed. Almost like it has become the bane of the campaigns existence. I know it gets the faithful a good dose of morning Kool-Aid that gets them through the day.
Paul
June 22nd, 2012
9:32 am
“. Speaking strictly in business terms, their job was to wring out inefficiencies and maximize shareholder profit in a global economy, not to protect the jobs of American workers, and as the Romney campaign likes to stress, they did their job very well and were well-rewarded for it.
“In Romney’s case, will an attitude that’s acceptable and perhaps even necessary in a modern business executive be equally acceptable in a person seeking to lead the country? For some Americans — especially those who have watched as their jobs were moved overseas — the details of how Romney achieved his remarkable financial success may turn out to matter a great deal.”
“So Thomas, I take it that you believe Romney is wrong to campaign on his successes at Bain and wrong to cite his business experience as a credential, given that “he is applying for a vastly different job”?”
I’ll offer it seems to me people think once a person has filled a role they are bound to to continue with the same mindset they demonstrated in that role.
Good leadership is situational – one adapts to the situation, one does not expect the situation to adapt to them. I’d mentioned before – heard one assessment of Romney from a talking head – said Obama approaches a situation from the view of what his basic principles are and works it out. Romney’s more the problem solver. To illustrate, said in his interviews with members of Mass gov’t that when Romney came in he didn’t say “I believe this and I believe that and let’s overlay that onto….” He said ‘okay, what do you see are the state’s top five problems? Which are most important? What’s the time to fix for each?” That kind of view.
So a person fills the role – CEO, nonprofit head, gov’t position – knows the demands of the job and sets out to meet those demands. He’s adaptable. He uses his skills to further the aims of the organization.
So those are what I can see as strengths for Romney. What I still don’t see is who – what segment – will he give the greatest attention? Who will he roll over for the greater good? I’d said a couple years ago I saw Obama as the type who would do something because he thought it was the right thing to do and how it affected his reelections chances was a distant second consideration. I think that’s been modified, but it’s still there. With Romney, I just don’t know.
I suppose that sums it up for me for Romney – on those basic, fundamental questions, I just don’t know what he’ll do.
markie mark
June 22nd, 2012
9:32 am
Oscar, I think you need to reread the thread, sir…..that was my FIRST post, commenting on YOUR post.
MiltonMan
June 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
“71 – This administration is full of lies, deceit, bribery, closed door arm twisting and Constitution bashing, not to mention the narcissistic arrogance,
like every other administration in history.”
True but does every administration beat their chest proclaiming that they would be the most honest & transparent as this one?
FrankLeeDarling
June 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
If elected maybe Romney can outsource congress to some kids in Asia
larry
June 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
The republicans running this state are morons that are about as smart as your average grub worm.
Fixed your typo.
SpareME
June 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
USMC calls the kettle “Black”. Oh, the irony…
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
9:35 am
Someone mentioned upward mobility.
Upward mobility???
In this country???
For nearly 80% of American working families???
For four straight decades???
With the fake conservatives having a say???
They like selling keyboards and working for peanuts. They think that basking in the reflected glow of their 1% heroes in the US Chamber of Commerce and at Bain Capital is actually going to get them somewhere!
The laugh of the morning…
kayaker 71
June 22nd, 2012
9:36 am
Company Saviors, 9:29,
Read the book first, then tell me that everything this clown does is first rate. I would venture, by the many pages of references that he provides, that it would be difficult to deny most any of Limbaugh’s claims. But that’s too easy, is it not? It is easier to kill the messenger than wake up to what is going on with the “most honest administration in memory”. God, what a joke.
Common Sense
June 22nd, 2012
9:36 am
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/16/140515737/california-turns-to-china-for-new-bay-bridge
Even government sees the benefits of doing business in China.
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
9:37 am
“Did Kayaker just cite Rush’s little brother as a source for real political insight?”–Company Saviors or Robber Barrons
Here we go, folks. Attack and buffoon the messenger to smother the message:
Rush Limaugh, Rush Limbaugh, Rush Limbaugh… Oh my g-d, Rush Limbaugh!
You must listen to Rush Limbaugh!
Typical Leftwing/ Bolshevik strategery!
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
9:37 am
The republicans running this state are morons that are about as smart as your average grub worm.
And never mind that they are arguably the most unethical lot since the Nixon administration and the most immoral lot since Biblical days! LOL.
Just ask the serial screwers of women other than their wives – Nutty Newt and Herman the Groper…
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
9:38 am
Common Sense – “Even government sees the benefits of doing business in China.”
Now, if we could just figure out a way to get the average worker to accept $12.00 a day in wages, we’d be right back on top again.
joe
June 22nd, 2012
9:39 am
Bookman, let me ask you a question…how do you live with yourself? I mean I realize its your “job” at the AJC to post these stupid blogs, but I know you and other supporters of the Dem party realize how much harm BHO is doing to our country. But for whatever reason you and most of the other liberal supporters choose to ignore that fact at all costs…thats what is so puzzling. How about taking a page our of Pres Kennedy and consider “ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” For the sake of our capitalistic economy where everyone has a shot at life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, our constitution, which BHO ignores as best he can, and our freedom, you’d think educated and intelligent people would realize this and choose to stop drinking the kool aid. Enough already people. Those of you who vote for Obama again are choosing to ruin this country and leave the perils to you children and grand children…nice going.
DagnerMouse
June 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
Hey, db, you wrote:
“Read your words. You attributed 5T in debt to “Obama’s spending.”
That’s a beyond-idiotic characterization of the situation, and you know it.”
But the poster actually wrote:
“I wonder just how many businesses have been lost because the private sector lost $5 trillion in investment capital because it had to be used to purchase US treasuries to fund the spending by Obama?”
You should probably read their words. You seem to have read “investment capital” and accused them of having said “debt.”
That’s a beyond-idiotic characterization of the situation, and you know it.
Oscar
June 22nd, 2012
9:41 am
markie mark
June 22nd, 2012
9:32 am
Oscar, I think you need to reread the thread, sir…..that was my FIRST post, commenting on YOUR post
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Sorry, Markie, I was responding to someone else’s post. Should not have assumed it was yours.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
9:41 am
R. Kramer — “Aquagirl, you just don’t get it. Because government and unions can’t fire people, you get poor performance and no accountability.”
Your conclusion is unsupported.
“Ever compared a post office to a FedEx store?”
Yes. I’d much rather do business with the USPS; they’re much more responsive to customer complaints that FedEx, UPS or any of the rest. The private shippers want at least one or two weeks to investigate what happened to any lost shipments before they’ll even talk to you, whereas the USPS will pay the claim *on the spot.*
“Not being able to fire lousy teachers is another great example.
I’m sure it escaped you that there’s no teacher’s union in GA.
“Being President means having the real world experience to make tough choices.”
I don’t believe Mr. Romney has that experience. Interestingly, neither did the GOP or GOP voters back in 2008 — they picked John McCain instead. If y’all didn’t like him four years ago, then why do you like him now?
“Life isn’t fair, and most government programs only encourage people to do less.”
Non sequitur.
“Liberals say Conservatives are out of touch and don’t care. Not true. Conservatives do care, but we think instead of feel.”
I disagree. Based on the posts I see here every day, it appears that most conservatives do an awful lot of feeling and emoting, but very little actual thinking.
Erwin's cat
June 22nd, 2012
9:41 am
“Just ask the serial screwers of women other than their wives – Nutty Newt and Herman the Groper”
…or Clinton and Edwards
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
9:41 am
I noticed that the gas prices are dropping. I was curious, a couple months ago it was all the talk that Obama was causing the rise in fuel prices, does anyone know what plan he put in place to make them go down, and why no one is giving him credit for doing so?
SpareME
June 22nd, 2012
9:41 am
That’s what they beleve JamVet. Everybody thinks THEY are a part of the good ol’ boys club. They are only being used by said club. As long as the club vows to take a whiz on PEEon’s neighbor or perceived enemy, the PEEon is perfectly okay with it, even though the PEEon is going to have p–s splattered all over themselves in the process. The hilarity of it all!!!
massachusetts refugee 10.167.4.48
June 22nd, 2012
9:42 am
milty – in a word, yes.
East Cobb RINO
June 22nd, 2012
9:42 am
“If elected maybe Romney can outsource congress to some kids in Asia”
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Now that is funnny right there…no matter who you are. Bless the pygmies in Africa.
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
9:42 am
Joe -”Those of you who vote for Obama again are choosing to ruin this country and leave the perils to you children and grand children”
I have neither, but I would honestly vote for him just to see your head explode.
mike thompson
June 22nd, 2012
9:43 am
Under Bain capital Mitt would buy up a business totally drained its retirement System (no more pension plan) transfer all machinery and technology to China or India. lay off all American workers transfer the jobs to China or India. As a final insult to the American workers take a wrecking ball to the plants and use the bricks to build mansions on the top of the hill so the rich man can look down at the rest of us. (U.S.) That is the 99%.
Recon 0311 2533
June 22nd, 2012
9:43 am
It’s not so much about what Romney will do as it is what Obama has not done. A man who lacked credentials for the job was swept into office on a wave of emotion and we’ve been seeing the result. Romney has the credentials to lead the country as president. Obama’s difficult OJT still has not been sufficient enough for the country to suffer through a second term.
massachusetts refugee 10.167.4.48
June 22nd, 2012
9:44 am
erwin – you know the answer. gas prices go up, it’s the president’s fault. gas prices go down, it’s market forces at work.
lovelyliz
June 22nd, 2012
9:45 am
As I read somewhere recently: Getting mad at “Mexicans” for coming here and taking our jobs while remaining silent when corporate America takes our jobs overseas
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 22nd, 2012
9:46 am
Gas is $2.96 at Kroger with your Kroger card!
Erwin's cat
June 22nd, 2012
9:46 am
mass refugee – I think you mean Butch
but actually on this blog you have it backwards…gas goes up, it’s market conditions…gas goes down, it’s the presidents policies
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
9:47 am
Finn – “Gas is $2.96 at Kroger with your Kroger card!”
Impossible, Newt didn’t get elected. How could fuel prices actaully be dropping while Obama is still in office?
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 22nd, 2012
9:48 am
I like Mike’s focus on the pension/retirement plans at those companies Bain bought. How did those turn out?
South Park Redneck
June 22nd, 2012
9:48 am
THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
9:48 am
Cat, so you approve of Dumb & Dumber’s immorality?
Because you cons are very loathe to *ever* denounce it. All you do is just compare it to someone else and hope that the current stench emanating from the state house and governor’s mansion isn’t too noticeable.
LOL.
Maybe collective rhinoplasty could help you fake conservatives!
With an electorate completely OK with moral depravity, is it any wonder we have these bought-off losers running the show in the most corrupt state in the union?
Recon 0311 2533
June 22nd, 2012
9:48 am
Gas prices have come down significantly, unfortunately due to a rapidly declining economy.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
9:49 am
Obama has done more to take jobs away from Americans with his illegal immigrant policy than Romney could ever think about in trying to save a company by outsourcing some of its jobs.
P.S. to Jay:
I would like to file a formal complaint against Kamchuck for calling me such ugly, ugly names last night (although I see you may have already pulled his post).
I hardly slept at all (he hurt my feelings) and I will have to undergo counseling. He is soooooo mean !
That was so “Unatheistic” of him.
But …………. I will try to get on with my life.
Now …………. where was I ? Oh yes ………..
“House committee suspects ‘Fast and Furious’ cover-up”
By Jerry Seper – The Washington Times
“The House committee investigating Fast and Furious has received more than 7,600 documents from the Justice Department, but Republican lawmakers say none addresses who approved the gunrunning probe, who failed to stop it before a U.S. Border Patrol agent was killed and why department officials initially lied to Congress about it.”
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
9:49 am
Erwins Cat – “but actually on this blog you have it backwards…gas goes up, it’s market conditions…gas goes down, it’s the presidents policies”
Actually the correct answer is always Market Forces. Unfortunately, the drooling masses that make up the right wing faithful just couldn’t seem to grasp that concept no matter how hard I tried to tell them.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
9:50 am
F. McCool — “Gas is $2.96 at Kroger with your Kroger card!”
Why, that’s unpossible!
Doom told us not a month ago that gas was heading to five bucks a gallon. And he’s one of those thinking-and-not-feeling Republicans, right? He’d never say something that was motivated simply by raw emotions!
/snark
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
9:51 am
0311 — “Obama has done more to take jobs away from Americans with his illegal immigrant policy”
Really? How, exactly?
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
9:52 am
Can Joseph, USMC, et al not get that?
not if you wrote it in crayon in all-caps. Not if you sang it to the tune of “Jesus Loves me.”
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
9:53 am
There is a very simple answer to outsourcing.
Outsource the top ten salaries in every major corporation overseas.
This would allow about 2,500 working families per corporation to keep their jobs.
And the foreign executives would no doubt do a much better job than these bungling idiots that run these companies.
Many of whom should be in an 8 X12…
Aquagirl
June 22nd, 2012
9:54 am
actually on this blog you have it backwards…gas goes up, it’s market conditions…gas goes down, it’s the presidents policies
Who has ever said that? I’m sure some random commenter may have, but our regulars don’t generally support that assumption, and Jay certainly hasn’t.
Thanks for dropping us a note from the Dept. Of Making $#!^ Up, though. You might want to confine future missives to tea potty meetings or other less discerning crowds.
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
9:56 am
Recon – “Gas prices have come down significantly, unfortunately due to a rapidly declining economy.”
I seem to remember when prices were high, Jay, myself and many others were trying to tell you folks that no matter what Newt promised, the only way to get back to the prices when Bush left office was for the economy to tank. I seem to recall being called a “lib” and that it was all Obamas fault. So glad that you’ve finally seen the light.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 22nd, 2012
9:56 am
“who approved the gunrunning probe?”
Alot of folks actually…..one name might be familiar
2008: Darrell Issa Voted “YES” to Fund Project Gunrunner & Merida Initiative
worth a google
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
9:57 am
JamVet — “Outsource the top ten salaries in every major corporation overseas.”
Index tax breaks to a corporation’s relative domestic manpower, including contractors and suppliers. If 100% of your personnel are US-based, you get 100% of your tax breaks. If 50% of your personnel are overseas, then you lose 50% of the value of the tax breaks your business would otherwise have gotten.
If you’re not investing in the American economy by making and keeping jobs right here where Americans can have them, then why should America be giving your business any tax breaks at all?
kayaker 71
June 22nd, 2012
9:57 am
Just think how much gas prices would go down if the Keystone pipeline would be built and we could buy significant amounts of oil from a non OPEC member, Canada. Then if we would drill on that 5% postage stamp of land in ANWAR, increase drilling permits on the nearly 650M acres of government owned lands and put people back to work, stop exporting our oil reserves…….. Perhaps we could even get down to $1.80/gal gas. Think what that would do for the economy.
Peter
June 22nd, 2012
9:57 am
Those of you who vote for Obama again are choosing to ruin this country and leave the perils to you children and grand children…nice going.
Funny stuff because the Grand kids will be paying for the Bush Iraq War….. 3 Trillion dollars and interest later.
Gee how do the Republican’s live with that ?
Ol' Timer
June 22nd, 2012
9:58 am
Romney and Trump will soon be presenting their plan for economic recovery — a plan they have executed to perfection over the past several years.
1. Spin off the profit centers; 2.export the labor; 3. and bankrupt the rest.
Erwin's cat
June 22nd, 2012
9:59 am
what’s a “con”
disagree with a few here and automatically get labeled as a right winger….nice
Aquagirl…pretend that it doesn’t happen all you want, it won’t make it true
East Cobb RINO
June 22nd, 2012
9:59 am
@0311/8541/5811/1811/1801, Did you fill out a Hurt Feelings report?
http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv37/punkrockHR/hurt-feelings-report.jpg
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
9:59 am
K71 — “Just think how much gas prices would go down if the Keystone pipeline would be built and we could buy significant amounts of oil from a non OPEC member, Canada. Then if we would drill on that 5% postage stamp of land in ANWAR, increase drilling permits on the nearly 650M acres of government owned lands and put people back to work, stop exporting our oil reserves…….. Perhaps we could even get down to $1.80/gal gas. Think what that would do for the economy.”
You pretty clearly don’t understand that oil produced in the US does not necessarily STAY in the US for processing and consumption. It goes onto the world market with all other oil.
If you expect domestically-produced oil to stay here and be used here, then you’re advocating nationalizing the US petroleum industry.
ZOMG SOSHULIZUM
Lord Help Us
June 22nd, 2012
9:59 am
‘Just think how much gas prices would go down if the Keystone pipeline would be built and we could buy significant amounts of oil from a non OPEC member, Canada’
You have no idea how the global market works, do you?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
June 22nd, 2012
9:59 am
Well, haul haul haul. Lug lug lug. It’s another Friday.
I look at the beer I put on the shelfs and in the coolers and sometimes I almost feel sorry for them. Before I leave Billy Bob’s tonight those longnecks will be in somebody’s belly or down a sewer or in a cooler in a bar, a gas station, maybe even a Gay Bathhouse. During one of my breaks this a.m. I even started writing a Ode to Beer. It started out
O beer, O golden beer
Wish I could pour you in josef’s ear
Then I got bored with it and went back to work.
Anyhow, I ain’t worried about my job getting shipped overseas if Romney gets to be President. They’ll always need beer truck drivers unless they can figure a way to ship the stuff thru pipes or maybe tele-transport it. I’m alot more worried about this Superhighway stuff they’re trying to do from Mexico into the U S of A. Now that could get dangerous for my line of work.
Anyhow, I can’t hardly wait till the Romney Administration takes office and they arrest the Kenyan Usurper as he leaves the White House and charge him with being a King that don’t have any respect for the Law. Or the Law the way we see it.
Have a good Friday everybody.
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
10:00 am
Kayaker 71 – “Just think how much gas prices would go down if the Keystone pipeline would be built and we could buy significant amounts of oil from a non OPEC member, Canada. Then if we would drill on that 5% postage stamp of land in ANWAR, increase drilling permits on the nearly 650M acres of government owned lands and put people back to work, stop exporting our oil reserves…….. Perhaps we could even get down to $1.80/gal gas. Think what that would do for the economy.”
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0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
10:00 am
Joe Hussein Mama:
Uh ………….. because …………… they take jobs that many UNEMPLOYED Americans could take.
This is basic stuff.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
10:01 am
But but but…abortion! That’s your response to an example of real executive leadership? Besides, you make a false claim. Mass Supreme Court mandated that insurance plans cover abortions before Romney was even Gov. The $50 abortion you speak of was not in his original bill and was placed in by the over whelming majority of Dems in the Mass State House and Senate.
Gee, if he’s this devout pro-lifer, don’t you think he could’ve shown some of that executive leadership you’re citing and carved out an exception for his signature legislation, with a mere veto threat?
Couldn’t he have at least negotiated a higher co-pay? think of them unborned BAYBEEZ, man! He mighta saved a few.
SpareME
June 22nd, 2012
10:01 am
“Gas prices have come down significantly, unfortunately due to a rapidly declining economy.”
So, so , so…..when the gas prices go UP, that’s because we are in a period of sustained economic growth!! I get it. THAT’S what all the blame on Obama a couple months ago was all about. You cannot make this stuff up.
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2012
10:02 am
“increase drilling permits on the nearly 650M acres of government owned lands”
If that would increase oil supplies, why are oil companies sitting on hundreds of drilling permits they ALREADY HAVE?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 22nd, 2012
10:02 am
K 71
Not so fact bucko…
“according to researchers at the Cornell University Global Labor Institute, TransCanada, the proposed manufacturers of the pipeline, admitted that “KXL will increase the price of heavy crude oil in the Midwest by almost $2 to $4 billion annually.” The Cornell study explains that this will happen as a result of “diverting major volumes of Tar Sands oil now supplying the Midwest refineries, so it can be sold at higher prices to the Gulf Coast and export markets.”
Fox expects us to take Petrowski at his word when he claims that building KXL could result in gas prices dropping “20 to 30 cents a gallon”; indeed, Asman responds to his claim by saying that the Gulf executive is “on the retail side of the gas business, so you know” how gas prices come about.
But the Cornell University study estimates nearly the exact opposite of Petrowski’s claim, estimating that building the KXL pipeline could increase domestic gas and diesel fuel prices in some states by between “10 to 20 cents more per gallon” and, to rub salt on the wound, possibly “cancel out some or all of the jobs created by KXL” after only one year of increased fuel prices.”
From MMA
East Cobb RINO
June 22nd, 2012
10:02 am
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
9:49 am
Did you fill out a Hurt Feelings Report?
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Mike
June 22nd, 2012
10:04 am
Do you think Nebraska is worse off because it “imports” its oranges from Florida? Is Florida worse off because it imports its wheat from Nebraska? Shifting production to where it is cheapest can only strengthen the global economy.
San Francisco has made it so expensive to run a business that local companies lost bids to a Chinese company to repair the Golden Gate Bridge. If you want to continue the trend, vote for more government.
jconservative
June 22nd, 2012
10:04 am
“Jay is trying to get Obama reelected. He is not providing us with the best information we need as voters to determine who to vote for.”
Correct. And Fox is trying to get Romney elected and MSNBC is trying to get Obana elected.
Most people have an agenda.
That is why it is plain dumb to get one’s news from a single source.
I am a conservative but I still say Cynthia Tucker is the best columnist the AJC ever had. Sure she had an agenda. So do I.
Do
June 22nd, 2012
10:04 am
Comparative Advantage. It’s one reason your stuff costs less.
Aquagirl
June 22nd, 2012
10:05 am
Aquagirl…pretend that it doesn’t happen all you want, it won’t make it true
Let me refresh your memory:
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/03/22/why-drill-here-drill-now-is-an-economic-dry-hole/
Sorry your fee-fees don’t match with reality. That happens when you live in Pretendville, population: 1.
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
10:06 am
Mike – “San Francisco has made it so expensive to run a business that local companies lost bids to a Chinese company to repair the Golden Gate Bridge. ”
You mean that an American workers weren’t willing to work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for $12.00 a day? What a bunch of ingrates. You’re right, we need to get government out of the way as soon as possible. How else will we be able to get employees to lower their standard of living so that companies can compete with China?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
10:06 am
0311 — “Uh ………….. because …………… they take jobs that many UNEMPLOYED Americans could take.”
Not by themselves, they don’t. Being in the US without documentation is a *document offense;* it’s akin to driving without your license and registration. Deportation is only carried out in the most egregious of cases.
But EMPLOYING an undocumented alien or alien without work authorization is a CRIME. You whine and moan about illegosos, but nary a word out of your mouth about the EMPLOYERS who actually ARE breaking the law in this regard.
Once again, you need to educate yourself on how immigration and employment law actually works.
“This is basic stuff.”
I know it is, and one day, I’m going to get you up to speed on it.
Grasshopper
June 22nd, 2012
10:07 am
Jay parrots the DNC talking points and produces an attack on Romney’s business experience.
It must be Friday.
It’s too bad no one can respond with a disection of Obama’s business experience — because he has none.
A business leader, governor, and Olympics president vs. law professor, community organizer (still trying to get a defintion of that one) and failed President.
Those are the choices.
Paul
June 22nd, 2012
10:08 am
JamVet
“They think that basking in the reflected glow of their 1% heroes in the US Chamber of Commerce and at Bain Capital is actually going to get them somewhere!”
That’s about as good an explanation for the phenomenon as anything I’ve heard. I’d likened it to people who like to hang around Hollywood celebrities because it makes them special. That just describes the phenomena using a different cast of characters. You provided more of the ‘why.’
Poor, deluded fools…..
Stevie Ray
June 22nd, 2012
10:08 am
JAY,
Come on man! How successful would those companies been if they paid higher dollars for labor domestically? Would you rather the entire companies go bust due to inability to compete and thus lose whatever existing domestic jobs, taxes etcetera that remain stateside or screw shareholders and same existing employee in one swoop?
This topic is both over your head and beneath your typical style…
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
10:08 am
Mike — “Shifting production to where it is cheapest can only strengthen the global economy.”
Fine. Go ahead. Just don’t expect American tax breaks when the bulk of your production is done overseas.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 22nd, 2012
10:08 am
Republicons like Mitt preach patriotism then outsource the american worker and hide there profits overseas. Vote rep = Vote against America
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
10:10 am
Grasshopper — “A business leader, governor, and Olympics president”
Who y’all didn’t want in 2008.
“Those are the choices.”
So having lost in 2008, you’re now going with the second-string team from four years ago. Got it.
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
10:10 am
Grasshopper – “Those are the choices.”
Yes. Unfortunately every decent candidate on the Right decided to sit this one out, so you got stuck with Romney. Cheer up, maybe 2016 will be better.
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
10:10 am
Do you think Nebraska is worse off because it “imports” its oranges from Florida?
Take it up with the Republican governor of the Cornhusker State.
I suspect that unlike you pollution-coddling, anti-environmentalist, fake conservatives, he actually gives a flying ___ about the relatively pristine Ogallala National Grasslands and the SandHills.
And if you had ever once visited there, you might as well…
barking frog
June 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
There is no experience that
qualifies anyone to be
President of the Earth which
the POTUS is. Administering
a large organization can
help as can organizing
groups to improve communities and of
course holding political
office. Experience as
president is really the
only experience that counts.
Presidential term limits
allows us only one chance at
that. That leaves only one
qualifier. Platform and the
ability to enact it.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
Guys like Mitt should open there businesses in China and see how there crooked shams work
Stevie Ray
June 22nd, 2012
10:12 am
Butch,
Your suggestion that $12/hour (24K per year) for unskilled labor is beneath domestic employees is ridiculous. Would you rather these companies go out of business (which is happening) by not being competitive bidders and thus lose other contributions to employment and tax base? Where are these Chinese workers coming from…temporary visas? Perhaps the SF Bridge Authority should have required domestic workers only…oooops, then taxpayers in SF get screwed…
Aquagirl
June 22nd, 2012
10:12 am
Once again, you need to educate yourself on how immigration and employment law actually works.
Go easy on the man. 0311 has been bitter ever since illegally hired workers took his lifelong dream job of picking crops in the hot sun for $5 per hour.
Erwin's cat
June 22nd, 2012
10:12 am
AG – I for 1 appreciates your unbiased objectivity…
zeke
June 22nd, 2012
10:13 am
In short terms that some of you non liberal leftist will understand. The socialist policies of our tyrant government that is in bed with unions, anarchist enviro nuts, and the like, IS WHAT SENT USA JOBS OUT OF THE COUNTRY! Absolutely ridiculous laws and labor rules are the problem! And tax, tax, tax will do it every time! What amazes me is that more companies have not moved their corporate office and headquarters out of the USA! Our tax policies are absurd. If a company makes a profit in say Germany, OUR IDIOT GOVERNMENT CHARGES THEM AN INCOME TAX! Instead, we should not charge them one penny tax on profits made outside the USA, and, encourage them to bring those profits and invest them here! This is a major reason that our great heritage of USA companies are being purchased by foreign companies when it should be the opposite!
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
10:13 am
How successful would those companies been if they paid higher dollars for labor domestically?
You mean paying them a decent living wage so that they could actually afford the company’s products and services?
Unlike today, where the vast percentage of working families are just barely holding on to what they have and praying that those relatively tiny handful of men who are implementing the corproate destruction of capitalism take a slight reprieve before the next onslaught?
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2012
10:13 am
“Take it up with the Republican governor of the Cornhusker State”
“he actually gives a flying ___ about the relatively pristine Ogallala National Grasslands and the SandHills”
What he give a “flying___” about is the vastly more important Ogallala aquifier that is UNDER all that grassland and hills.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
10:14 am
Wall Street Journal:
“Axelrod’s ObamaCare Dollars”
“Rewind to 2009. The fight over ObamaCare is raging, and a few news outlets report that something looks ethically rotten in the White House. An outside group funded by industry is paying the former firm of senior presidential adviser David Axelrod to run ads in favor of the bill. That firm, AKPD Message and Media, still owes Mr. Axelrod money and employs his son.
The story quickly died, but emails recently released by the House Energy and Commerce Committee ought to resurrect it. The emails suggest the White House was intimately involved both in creating this lobby and hiring Mr. Axelrod’s firm—which is as big an ethical no-no as it gets.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304765304577480871706139792.html?mod=hp_opinion
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 22nd, 2012
10:14 am
GOP is ruining this country . Romney team tells Fla Gov Scott to stop talking about how fla economy has improved. What a tool
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
10:14 am
Vincent Fort is a RACIST/BIGOT
Again, USMC: Cite, please.
getalife
June 22nd, 2012
10:15 am
willard will have Americans in soup lines like Greece.
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
10:15 am
Stevie Ray – “Your suggestion that $12/hour (24K per year) for unskilled labor is beneath domestic employees is ridiculous. ”
You’re right, it is ridiculous. However, that’s not what I said. Read the article. The Chinese contractors were broought in to work because the are willing to work 12 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, FOR $12.00 A DAY NOT AN HOUR, A DAY. Now, please tell me why you think an American worker should be willing to work for $4,380.00 a year.
Stevie Ray
June 22nd, 2012
10:15 am
Barking Frog,
Seems to me that leadership skills to bring sides together despite corruption and loyalty to donators is most important…President Trillions clearly has zero leadership skills…heck he clearly is not even qualified to fix all the problems he lays off on Bush…Poor leadership = laying blame (congress or prior administrations) for inability to effect change….Failed presidency…no different from Bush, Carter et al..no prior proven leadership skills is President Spineless’ achilles heel.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 22nd, 2012
10:17 am
Hey zeke without taxes where do you get money to by all of those nice bombs and military crap?
Peter
June 22nd, 2012
10:17 am
The GOP doesn’t care who they vote for…..last election they would put Palin in the White House a QUITTER.
This year they are going to beleive a guy who built his Fortune OUTSOURCING US jobs, but will now beleive he is the guy to create Jobs here in America.. Really ?
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 22nd, 2012
10:18 am
Without taxes we become third world ………..moorons.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
10:18 am
Stevie Ray — “Perhaps the SF Bridge Authority should have required domestic workers only…oooops, then taxpayers in SF get screwed…”
That’s strange. President Obama *agreed* to sign off on ARRA even after Congressional Republicans demanded a “Buy American” provision in it. The provision got in, and the President signed.
It pizzed the Canadians off mightily, but y’all were certainly for buying only American goods and services THEN. Not so much now, it seems.
Aquagirl
June 22nd, 2012
10:18 am
I for 1 appreciates your unbiased objectivity…
It’s easy to remain objective when you hate everyone equally.
Stevie Ray
June 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Butch,
12 hours a day times 7 days times say 50 weeks is 4200 hours a year times 12 is $50K..If I’m unemployed and unskilled I take that deal.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Rep plan … publsize risk & debt and privatize profits….
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Joe:
STRONGLY disagree.
Try jumping a border fence and see if you get a “ticket”.
Now that said, I have always been for a multi-tiered approach a few of which are:
1) SEAL the borders.
2) Continue to deport illegals that are here.
3) Provide stiff punishment for employers who knowingly hire illegals (and ENFORCE it) !
4) Remove incentives that make illegals want to stay.
It’s quite reasonable ………. we just don’t seem to have leaders with the guts to do it.
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
Here is Stevie Rays vision for a glorious new America from the article regarding the Chinese contractors:
“The steel contract went to a state-owned Chinese company, Shanghai Zhenhua Heavy Industries, which had several advantages: modern production facilities, ships to deliver the steel and, of course, low-cost labor. A Chinese steel polisher makes about $12 a day.”
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
Zeke — “If a company makes a profit in say Germany, OUR IDIOT GOVERNMENT CHARGES THEM AN INCOME TAX! Instead, we should not charge them one penny tax on profits made outside the USA, and, encourage them to bring those profits and invest them here!”
I take it you voted for Kerry in 2004, because this was one of his campaign planks.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
5. Deport the GOP
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
10:21 am
You can spin it how ever you like Jay but the massive corruption of this failed administration is starting to take its toll…. Must be racism???
http://t.co/jDxChXiv
jj
June 22nd, 2012
10:21 am
Since Jay is all about facts…
I’m sure he could give the exact number of folks put out of business by the Obama administration with regards to GM. The government decided to be judge and jury with regards to dealerships and plant closures. Exactly how many people lost their jobs because of this practice?
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
10:22 am
Stevie Ray – “12 hours a day times 7 days times say 50 weeks is 4200 hours a year times 12 is $50K..If I’m unemployed and unskilled I take that deal.”
Are you high? The amount they get paid is $12.00 A DAY moron. That means that you make $84.00 a week or $4,368.00 a year. Math isn’t your strong suit is it.
rightwing troll
June 22nd, 2012
10:22 am
Poor Scout… kickig over every rock he can to look for conspiracy… just stick with what you know buddy… go back to excusing you and your ilk with bible verses, and promoting birtherism…
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
10:23 am
Oh you libs can’t ignore me… Its an example of the knee jerk reactions you loons have…
barking frog
June 22nd, 2012
10:23 am
Stevie
Seems to me that leadership
skills to bring sides together
despite corruption and
loyalty to donators is most
important…
…………..
Willingness to compromise
is important but in a
campaign it is called
flip-flopping.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 22nd, 2012
10:24 am
And when China or India or who ever we have sent technology, training and jobs too gets tired of us and kicks us out what do we get back? Nothing, thats Mitts plan
rightwing troll
June 22nd, 2012
10:25 am
So, am I to understand a Chinese company will be shipping hoards of chinese laborers over here to work on the Golden Gate Bridge?… Really???
Where’d that little nugget of wisdom and truth come from, Glenn (crying man) Beck?
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
10:25 am
Alright freaks… I gotta go relax on the Ga Coast and spend some quality family time.. Hope Obama has a good weekend.. I’m sure he’ll be playing golf somewhere while America keeps on declining….
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 22nd, 2012
10:26 am
I know Mitt Romney is the GOP candidate for President and we have to talk about him…I get that.
What I don’t get is how people can ignore the fact that this man has sold his soul to Satan to be President. he will say anything, do anything and be anyone if he thinks that will get him votes. At best, he is just pathetic, but at worst, he’s a psychological liar, unable to give specifics about his “Programs, if Elected”, because he can’t keep his stories straight.
He is supposed to be a Bishop in the Mormon Church too. If I was a Mormon, I’d be ashamed and I’d demand his resignation as Bishop. To me he always looks like a deer caught in the headlights…he really hasn’t a clue. No sane person would want him for President of our United States. I really hope Ron Paul pulls off his end around stunt and steals the nomination from Romney. At least then, we would have two men of principle on the ballot.
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
10:26 am
Doggone, the SandHills and the thousands of awesome little spring fed lakes are there because of the aquifer, which has already been depleted to levels so low that water is no longer available for irrigation in vast parts of Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas. Without very deep, very expensive drilling.
Today’s post-Nixon Republicans – outside of the farmers, ranchers and cattlemen themselves – of course, neither know, nor care about such things. Those that did are all dead or are denounced as “anarchist enviro nuts”. (See the ranting screed offered up by zeke…)
Erwin's cat
June 22nd, 2012
10:26 am
an interesting read Scout
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 22nd, 2012
10:26 am
Joseph you are an idiot
rightwing troll
June 22nd, 2012
10:26 am
Why would anyone ignore you and your delusional rantings Joseph? It’s pure entertainment…
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
10:26 am
“Republicons like Mitt preach patriotism then outsource the american worker and hide there profits overseas. Vote rep = Vote against America”–It’s George Bush’s fault
Another example of the lack of Critical Thinking Skills on display at Jay’s blog everyday…
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
10:27 am
rightwing troll – “So, am I to understand a Chinese company will be shipping hoards of chinese laborers over here to work on the Golden Gate Bridge?… Really???”
Actually, it’s the Bay Bridge. Other than that you are correct.
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
10:27 am
I gotta go relax on the Ga Coast and spend some quality family time..
In my best Jim Carrey voice, I don’t care.
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
10:27 am
Whoops Obama spends more than he raises… I guess when he’s doing the same thing with the country’s checkbook he may as well do it with his campaign… LOL…
https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23tcot
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
10:27 am
Erin’s cat:
Yep ………………
Holdergate
Leakgate
Axelrodgate
THey BOTH suck
June 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
USMC
You try the hamburger and sausage mix?
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
“12 hours a day times 7 days times say 50 weeks is 4200 hours a year times 12 is $50K..If I’m unemployed and unskilled I take that deal”
12 hours a day times 7 days times say 50 weeks is 350 days times 12 dollars A DAY is $4200
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
USMC thanks for your service. ITS STILL ALL BUSHS FAULT.
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
JamVet:
I’ll have my Ipad with me though so I can keep in contact with u commoners…
getalife
June 22nd, 2012
10:29 am
After the gop took their jobs, houses and money, the cons would still vote gop and expect a different result.
You can’t debate insanity.
You lust have to laugh at it and vote against it.
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
10:30 am
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801:
Don’t forget Greenenergygate and fuzzymathonjobsgate!!!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
10:30 am
rightwing troll :
Now, now …………. sometimes the truth hurts.
Have to run ………….. everyone be nice and don’t pull a Kamchuk !
rightwing troll
June 22nd, 2012
10:31 am
That’s because they’re all just a lottery ticket away from being a 1%er… They have to protect thier soon to be fortunes from the eevil liburals…
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
June 22nd, 2012
10:31 am
GOPERS slow and stupid
kayaker 71
June 22nd, 2012
10:31 am
So, now Botox Nancy wants us to believe that this hoopla about Holder is a vast right wing plot to suppress voters rights. Even the most staunch liberal must be wiping the coffee off of his computer screen after hearing this. That gaze of hers, the studious look in those buggy brown eyes……. it must make you liberals really proud to have such a stalwart, icon of justice representing you. And the people of San Francisco in fruit and nut land…….I’m speechless.
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
10:31 am
getalife:
You can’t debate insanity. I totally agree. So why do you freaks on the left keep banging your heads against the wall trying to convince yourselves Obama is doing a good job???
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 22nd, 2012
10:31 am
Jay = DNC
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 22nd, 2012
10:32 am
as the ‘incumbent crosses 50′ (in the words of J Carville and Karl Rove),
I see the cons becoming more & more unhinged, in blogs, posts,
inflamed language, in general derangement. (disclaimer: not this blog,
the unhinged derangement is there, but not danger, we’re too ‘erudite’)
Shep Smith of FOX (network, its not news) has noticed the same thing.
And i quote – “There are people now, who are way out there on a limb. And I think they’re just out there on a limb with the email they send us. Because I read it, and they are out there. I mean, out there in a scary place…. I could read a hundred of them like this…. I mean just from today. People who are so amped up and so angry for reasons that are absolutely wrong, ridiculous, preposterous.”
More and more it seems like people are taking the extra step and taking the gun out.” – Shep Smith
I fear this too. Its fairly, and now statistically obvious that we are probably
going to have 4 more years of Obama before President Hillary or Warren
take over and I believe that will be too much for these wingnuts. I fear a
Timothy McVeigh event sometime after November, these people are so
unhinged.
Hell, with what this Republican pahhty has deteriorated to, I honestly
would not be shocked if they had a Timothy McVeigh tribute at their
convention, televised and all.
That’s the view from de island, mon. Chill, cons. We survived Lil Nero,
you will survive Obama the Mammmba (thwack!) now les go surfin
rightwing troll
June 22nd, 2012
10:32 am
Actually the truth will set you free… you should try it sometime…
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
10:33 am
0311 — “Joe: STRONGLY disagree.”
Disagree all you want. You’re still wrong on this point.
“Try jumping a border fence and see if you get a “ticket”.”
Pay attention, Marine. I did not SAY “ticket.” I also did not SAY “jumping a border fence.”
I said that being here without documentation is a document offense, akin to driving without license and registration, and that’s a fact. You need to read the applicable laws; I think they will surprise you.
“Now that said, I have always been for a multi-tiered approach a few of which are:
1) SEAL the borders.”
Impractical from a number of standpoints. I’m not opposed to it, but it’s impractical for the objective we want (fewer undocumented aliens in the country).
“2) Continue to deport illegals that are here.”
This is not done that often. Again, you need to read the applicable laws.
“3) Provide stiff punishment for employers who knowingly hire illegals (and ENFORCE it) !
4) Remove incentives that make illegals want to stay.”
These are the two keys. IMO (and I posted about this a week or two ago), we need a high-tech national ID document (like a national ID card) that is extremely difficult to forge or falsify, and which any citizen can get. It could fulfill several purposes:
Drivers license
Voter ID
Proof of authorization to work in the US
Proof of citizenship (so you can apply for unemployment or SNAP)
Medicare/Medicaid ID
We also set up a Bracero (guest worker) program so that people can come here to work and have some assurance that they won’t be hassled. Maybe Braceros that comply with the program rules could get some kind of accelerated credit toward applying for citizenship, provided they break no laws and abide by the program rules — perhaps allow them to count the time they work in the US, even if they go back and forth to their home country. So aliens who are here legally could get a card too, but it would be different and wouldn’t allow them to vote, for example.
Employers would HAVE to check EVERY current or prospective employee against a national database. Employing an unauthorized individual should carry a VERY stiff fine; I’d say a percentage of the business’ annual gross. Unless businesses get a broken and bloody nose because they employed illegosos, they will never get the message.
“It’s quite reasonable ………. we just don’t seem to have leaders with the guts to do it.”
I’m quite reasonable on this matter too, but it irritates the hell out of me when people like you scream bloody murder about illegosos without being informed on the topic.
Stevie Ray
June 22nd, 2012
10:33 am
Butch, I’m an actuary so I’m good with numbers…at 12 dollars a day I would agree with you point however, should taxpayers get screwed to employ domestic folks at much higher salary? If the cost in China is $400 million, how much more would it cost tax payers assuming $12 an hour which is probably light once the unions demand union workers? The name calling is a sign of weakness daddio…your opinion of me is none of my business.
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2012
10:34 am
“Doggone, the SandHills and the thousands of awesome little spring fed lakes are there because of the aquifer, which has already been depleted to levels so low that water is no longer available for irrigation in vast parts of Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas”
And low or not, it’s not polluted. The Governor stated his fear for the pollution of the aquifer if he pipline was built over it. And it’s not the aquifer that feeds those springs and lakes, I don’t think. Most of the aquifer is too deep to feed surface water. And the replenishment rate is so slow, that it’s considered that surface water (ie: rain) does little to the amount of water avaliable. It is ancient water in that aquifer, not “modern” water.
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
10:36 am
You bought an ipad?
Jeez what a rube.
You probably drink Budweiser too…
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
10:37 am
Stevie Ray — “If the cost in China is $400 million, how much more would it cost tax payers assuming $12 an hour which is probably light once the unions demand union workers?”
I don’t mind paying more in order to buy American.
I love my country and my countrymen more than I love saving a buck.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 22nd, 2012
10:37 am
” in another sense it comes across as a grating reminder that the search for profit makes no allowance for national loyalty”
Utter BS
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
10:37 am
I know you loons hate FOX News but they are of course the most sane network for news coverage. Check out token lib Bob Beckel on The Five… He’s a prime example of the left and their insanity. He bangs his head against the wall daily and makes no sense. The foam and the vitriol that spews from this man’s mouth is hilarious.. Facts and figures simply don’t matter as in the case of all on the left. Beckel will simply revert back to howling about Bush when he finally realizes he can’t make the case for Obama.
mark
June 22nd, 2012
10:38 am
Buy local,shop local, grow local. Then we will have american jobs. Like the Exxon man said, he don’t care about us!! He make them billions a year in profits, while our govt gives him tremendous tax breaks and access to our resources as cut rate prices. He does really care what our elected officals give him. Vote them all out!!! It is time for more than a two party system.
josef
June 22nd, 2012
10:38 am
St Simon’s
Shep Smith is one of the few sane voices left.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 22nd, 2012
10:38 am
Actually most of this column is pure rubbish
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 22nd, 2012
10:39 am
OOPS…Y’all missed one.
GOPginnedupscandaldujourgate.
and
ginnedupscandalscosttaxpayersmoneygate
Stevie Ray
June 22nd, 2012
10:39 am
Doggone,
Agreed and my bad but my point is how much more would it cost taxpayers in California to have the bridge built domestically union shops? Is that irrelevant? Should we enact laws that require no outsourcing of jobs or heavy industry work to foreign countries and further damage our ability to compete globally? Help me understand how your alternative is more cost effective?
Lord Help Us
June 22nd, 2012
10:40 am
‘ Check out token lib Bob Beckel on The Five… He’s a prime example of the left and their insanity. He bangs his head against the wall daily and makes no sense. ‘
That is his job description. The fact that you think he represents the left’ is further evidence of you inability to think for yourself…
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
10:40 am
Steviv Ray – “Butch, I’m an actuary so I’m good with numbers…at 12 dollars a day I would agree with you point however, should taxpayers get screwed to employ domestic folks at much higher salary? If the cost in China is $400 million, how much more would it cost tax payers assuming $12 an hour which is probably light once the unions demand union workers? The name calling is a sign of weakness daddio…your opinion of me is none of my business.”
Stop moving the goal posts. I was responding to another poster that was bragging about the Chinese business model. It wasn’t a matter of paying someone $12.00 an hour, it’s a matter of importing labor to work for $12.00 a day. It’s BS and you know it. The only way to compete is to lower the wage scale to match. Which makes me wonder why you support the eliminiation of the Middle Class and the American way of life?
rightwing troll
June 22nd, 2012
10:40 am
“should taxpayers get screwed to employ domestic folks at much higher salary?”
Here’s the rub… the domestic folks ARE the taxpayers… should the domestic folks/taxpayers have to accept substandard wages so the company can continue to earn record profits? Those 12.00/hr chinese workers live in hovels and substandard housing, have no health insurance and live on rice. Is that what the American middle class needs to look like?
Jimmy62
June 22nd, 2012
10:41 am
It’s funny how you seem to assume that whatever Romney did in business is exactly what he’ll do as President, yet you refuse to associate Obama with any of his past actions and associations. He was definitely a socialist at one time, yet you denied he would be a socialist President, he was friends with a domestic terrorist, yet you denied that would have any affect on his actions, he listened to racist sermons, and you told us that had no effect on his character…. Yet everything from Romney’s past apparently explains exactly what he will do when he wins the election.
It’s almost like you have an unreasonable double standard depending on if you are speaking of Romney or Obama.
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
10:41 am
JamVet:
Actually the IPAD was a gift. I got really good friends… It’s much better than sitting in a public library like many of you loons do don’t you think??
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
10:41 am
Shifting gears a bit (I’m allowed, right? I mean, since nobody’s actually discussing Jay’s topic any more?)–
Nate Silver has a really nice piece on the “house effect” at the various name-brand polling firms.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/calculating-house-effects-of-polling-firms/
Short version–if it’s Pew, you subtract 3.2% for Democratic bias; if it’s Gallup, you subtract 2.5% for Republican bias. As Nate points out, that’s gonna produce “a fairly wide spread in the polls this year.”
(Only a bit surprised that Rassmussen was only +1.3% R, and not surpassing Gallup. But Rassy’s notoriety comes more from its public-policy question verbiage, not its straight-up “who will you vote for” stuff.)
rightwing troll
June 22nd, 2012
10:41 am
Especially when it’s thier government dollars being spent?
barking frog
June 22nd, 2012
10:41 am
Jm
rubbish has once been
useful.
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
10:41 am
As you travel the Sandhills Scenic Journey Byway you’ll discover incredible world class natural wonders, including the Nebraska sandhills, which are the largest area of grass stabilized sand dunes in the western hemisphere, covering more than 19,000 square miles.
Beneath the sandhills and the byway is the Ogallala Aquifer, the largest aquifer in the United States. Numerous rivers, creeks, lakes, ponds and wetlands are all spring fed via the aquifer, creating diverse ecosystems and supporting a wide range of wildlife. The region’s Loup River System is the most constant flowing river system in the world – thanks to the Ogallala Aquifer.
The ecosystem helps support the largest concentration of the sandhill cranes that traverse Nebraska every spring, spending several weeks along the Platte River valley near Grand Island on their spring migration northward. Millions of other birds also move through the region.
http://www.sandhillsjourney.com/page.php?pageid=16
Joseph
June 22nd, 2012
10:42 am
Lord Help Us:
He worked for Jimmy Carter… I would think that was liberal enough. The thing is though even though beckel is a complete loon he makes more sense than Bookman and the minnows that follow him….
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
10:43 am
Then your friends are rubes. There are MUCH better tablets than that and for less money.
But you Republiguppies are easily manipulated and poorly informed…
East Cobb RINO
June 22nd, 2012
10:43 am
Romney Tailors ‘First 100 Days’ Ads to Swing States
http://news.yahoo.com/romney-tailors-first-100-days-ads-swing-states-125231830–abc-news-politics.html
4 down – 46 to go. Maybe Mittens has multiple personality disorder. That could explain the various postions he takes on the same subject.
Stevie Ray
June 22nd, 2012
10:43 am
Joe,
Understood but if you were a California taxpayer,forgetting the fact that they they are virtually bankrupt, and you had a $400M bid from overseas compared to say an $800M bid, would you still pay for overage? As an aside, it’s been years since US could produce steel anywhere near as competitively with China. Part is due to expensive union labor as well as China dumping cheap steel into our markets…Would you pay twice for a lesser quality US manufactured auto?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 22nd, 2012
10:44 am
Froggie
Rubbish may be useful for a frog
Less so for everyday people
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2012
10:44 am
“Help me understand how your alternative is more cost effective?”
Henry Ford increased the pay to most of his workers so they could afford to buy the products they were making.
rightwing troll
June 22nd, 2012
10:44 am
“Bookman and the minnows that follow him….”
I guess that includes you since you live here…
Liberal Chicks are UGLY
June 22nd, 2012
10:45 am
With all the recent mess ups by obama, a ficticious recovery, Fast and Furious, 2/3’s of Americans hating the Health care blunder, etc. No wondder you lot are all bitter… I think obama may have a chance at losing this thing. Romney is no peach either, so that would most certainly be humilating, because it’s not about Romney winning, it’s about firing obama. He is making himself a pariah at the wrong time….Keep up the god work obama, we may just be done with your stupidity after all! Woohoo!
Stay bitter liberals!
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
10:45 am
Which makes me wonder why you support the eliminiation of the Middle Class and the American way of life?
I was thinking “that’s a tad harsh,” and then I went back to the comment that prompted it, to wit:
at 12 dollars a day I would agree with you point however, should taxpayers get screwed to employ domestic folks at much higher salary?
That’s really quite chilling, the notion that it would be “screwing taxpayers” if we are to pay a living wage to workers on a construction project.
Lord Help Us
June 22nd, 2012
10:46 am
‘The thing is though even though beckel is a complete loon he makes more sense than Bookman and the minnows that follow him…’
He is, as you yourself say, a ‘token.’ A cheap foil that helps Fox further the image of a ‘liberal’ for their sheep.
You, of course, buy it…hook, line, sinker…
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
10:46 am
“USMC thanks for your service. ITS STILL ALL BUSHS FAULT.”–George Bush’s Fault
I am just going to chuckle and say “touche” because that was funny, G’DUB.
At least you have a sense of humor unlike most of the dishonest and miserable Leftwing Trolls on this blog. To you sir… Have a great Day!
rightwing troll
June 22nd, 2012
10:46 am
“Romney Tailors ‘First 100 Days’ Ads to Swing States”
Looks like just surrounding himself with former Bushies isn’t sufficient, now he’s recycling Newt’s strategies…
Erwin's cat
June 22nd, 2012
10:47 am
“…China dumping cheap steel into our markets…”
using raw materials from China is a failure waiting to happen
Detroit
June 22nd, 2012
10:47 am
How could the U.S. ever be concerned about rebuilding Iraq when we have cities like Detroit that have and continue to suffer worst than New Orleans did with Hurrican Katrina! Shame on America!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=JhwGHZ8lFO8&feature=fvwp
josef
June 22nd, 2012
10:47 am
JM
“Froggie
Rubbish may be useful for a frog
Less so for everyday people”
*********
So, we may deduce that you are not everyday people?
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
10:48 am
WaterGate – Setting a standard of GOP “excellence” since 1972.
rightwing troll
June 22nd, 2012
10:48 am
“No wondder you lot are all bitter… ”
Another highly edumacated tea tard/wingnut spouts off…
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 22nd, 2012
10:48 am
kayaker 71
June 22nd, 2012
10:31 am
No crazier than the right wing saying President Obama’s lack of movement on gun control is a plot to remove the Second Amendment from the Constitution…
Stevie Ray
June 22nd, 2012
10:49 am
Butch, due to the high cost of union labor and what are otherwise given domestic entitlements, the middle class is priced out of the global market particularly in skilled and unskilled heavy industry labor…again, we can’t remotely compete in production costs of steel and haven’t been able to for years.
Your judgement of my interest in destroying whatever you deem the “middle class” is a stretch….our economy is become more serviced based and to get back these types jobs will require either isolationism by our government and/or better technology to reduce cost of goods. Either way, material problems for workers remain….
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
10:49 am
sfd – “That’s really quite chilling, the notion that it would be “screwing taxpayers” if we are to pay a living wage to workers on a construction project.”
Exactly.
Steve Atl
June 22nd, 2012
10:50 am
Hey Jay,
If you were the hiring manager….who would you hire to clean up your distressed/debt ridden company/country?
A Community Organizer/Lawyer/Great Teleprompter Reader or an Experienced/Proven/Business Owner?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
10:50 am
S. Ray — “Understood but if you were a California taxpayer,forgetting the fact that they they are virtually bankrupt, and you had a $400M bid from overseas compared to say an $800M bid, would you still pay for overage?”
If CA is in such bad shape, then I don’t think they should be considering the expenditure at all.
“As an aside, it’s been years since US could produce steel anywhere near as competitively with China. Part is due to expensive union labor as well as China dumping cheap steel into our markets…Would you pay twice for a lesser quality US manufactured auto?”
Given what I’ve seen of Chinese cars (Geely and Chery being the two brands I’ve looked at closely), I don’t think they *make* any that are higher quality that US manufactured cars.
In my experience, Chinese products are often shoddy, unreliable and poorly made. And the Chinese products that *aren’t* shoddy tend to cost close to what I’d pay for a comparable Western-made product anyhow, so why not just buy American to start with?
barking frog
June 22nd, 2012
10:52 am
Jm
frogs do not have rubbish.
we buy it and sell it to the
chinese to make your iphone.
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2012
10:52 am
“No crazier than the right wing saying President Obama’s lack of movement on gun control is a plot to remove the Second Amendment from the Constitution”
And what is REALLY CRAZY is that they seen to have no idea that he couldn’t do that even if he wanted to. The Constitution is not painted on the side of a barn.
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
10:52 am
using raw materials from China is a failure waiting to happen
Acceptance of a product that is not subject to customer specifications is a definite source of potential failures. One should always strive to provide the lowest cost product that fully meets or exceeds customer requirements.
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
10:53 am
MSNBC/Politico Reporter: Romney Only Comfortable Around ‘White Folks’
http://freebeacon.com/politico-reporter-romney-only-comfortable-around-white-folks/
Here it is folks, the tired old Socialist/DemocRat bag of “tricks” of Racist politics…
When you can’t win on your RECORD or IDEAS, pull out the “Bain Capital” nonsense and/or the trusty ole Identity/Racial politics CARD.
I guess it really is getting hard to defend this President.
“I see WHITE people!” OMG!
Steve Atl
June 22nd, 2012
10:54 am
GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt, The Head Of Obama’s Jobs Council, Is Moving Jobs And Economic Infrastructure To China At A Blistering Pace
Jeffrey Immelt, the head of Barack Obama’s highly touted “Jobs Council”, is moving even more GE infrastructure to China. GE makes more medical-imaging machines than anyone else in the world, and now GE has announced that it “is moving the headquarters of its 115-year-old X-ray business to Beijing“. Apparently, this is all part of a “plan to invest about $2 billion across China” over the next few years. But moving core pieces of its business overseas is nothing new for GE. Under Immelt, GE has shipped tens of thousands of good jobs out of the United States. Perhaps GE should change its slogan to “Imagination At Work (In China)”. If the very people that have been entrusted with solving the unemployment crisis are shipping jobs out of the country, what hope is there that things are going to turn around any time soon?
Mark in mid-town
June 22nd, 2012
10:54 am
Jay, as usual, you are nothing more than a shameless hack. No self-respecting journalist would stoop to the degrees you do to be a hack. But journalism is dead because it contains so few willing to actually engage in journalism. As I’ve pointed out in the past, the obvious reason you do this is you feel it’s what you have to do to stay employed in the corrupt msm. It’s a shame because you actually do have some talent, unlike many if not most of the other shameless hacks in the msm.
Steve Atl
June 22nd, 2012
10:55 am
How ’bout them apples….Mr Bookman?
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
10:57 am
The Constitution is not painted on the side of a barn.
heh. I got that.
Still guarding Napoleon, Dog?
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
10:58 am
Perhaps a con or two or however many of them it takes can get their collective together and tell us all about how those Bush tax cuts reduced the debt and how much more the debt will be reduced using the Ryan budget proposal that Romney is supporting. A link to some analysis showing that said debt reductions do not require a 2.8% unemployment rate before the savings can kick in would be a good starting point for discussion.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
10:58 am
Steve — “GE has announced that it “is moving the headquarters of its 115-year-old X-ray business to Beijing“. Apparently, this is all part of a “plan to invest about $2 billion across China” over the next few years.”
As I said, strip ‘em of part of their tax breaks. If that division is moving completely to China, then remove 100% of their tax breaks.
Provide US jobs, get US tax breaks. Move jobs overseas, leave tax breaks behind when you turn out the lights.
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
10:59 am
“How ’bout them apples….Mr Bookman?”–Steve
Silly Steve, you missed the memo…
“The Obama Administration is NOW pivoting to JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!”
I heard it on MSNBC, no special editing or anything, it must be true!
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
June 22nd, 2012
11:00 am
As I’ve pointed out in the past, the obvious reason you do this is you feel it’s what you have to do to stay employed in the corrupt msm.
Isn’t the mainstream media Fox News ? I mean as we are told constantly they have the most viewers.
And isn’t talk radio dominated by conservatives.
The main stream media is very very conservative.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 22nd, 2012
11:00 am
Josef- dude, I have little use for jay’s rubbish or any other rubbish. Me = everyday peoe. Though I do recycle.
Frog- yes, china does our recycling for us
Mama Says
June 22nd, 2012
11:00 am
Anyone ever stop to think that Obama was never asked about his business experience.
Wonder why ?
what is that saying ? better to have walked a mile in old shoes than never to walk at all
geo
June 22nd, 2012
11:01 am
Bain? Phooey. Obama’s doing a great job – just look at those labor and employment statistics!! I hope my check’s in the mailbox today!!
josef
June 22nd, 2012
11:01 am
Hey Jay,
STEVE”
If you were the hiring manager….who would you hire to clean up your distressed/debt ridden company/country?
A Community Organizer/Lawyer/Great Teleprompter Reader or an Experienced/Proven/Business Owner?”
*********
Since I live and work in a community based on law, I’ll opt for the former.
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2012
11:01 am
“A Community Organizer/Lawyer/Great Teleprompter Reader or an Experienced/Proven/Business Owner?”
Well, given the past performance of the business owner…*I* would go with the community organizer
Steve Atl
June 22nd, 2012
11:02 am
Jay…Are you going to execute “Blogger Privilege”?
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
June 22nd, 2012
11:03 am
Perhaps a con or two or however many of them it takes can get their collective together and tell us all about how those Bush tax cuts reduced the debt.
Never gonna happen. Bush cut taxes while simultaneously starting two wars he had no idea how to end or pay for, Cutting taxes during wartime is not only incredibly stupid it was also unprecedented.
And people wonder why we are in the shape we are in.
Williebkind
June 22nd, 2012
11:03 am
“those of us who are clear-eyed and rational–are justified at looking at *anyone*, Republican or Democrat who is touting his years of experience in the global business world as a supreme qualifier for holding public office.”
Liberals are such liars especially when they say they are clear-eyed and rational. I know that is a lie he has never voted conservative and I know this without watching over his shoulder seeing him making the check mark.
Bruno
June 22nd, 2012
11:03 am
In Romney’s case, will an attitude that’s acceptable and perhaps even necessary in a modern business executive be equally acceptable in a person seeking to lead the country?
Jay–If Romney’s only experience in life was as a venture capitalist who shipped jobs overseas, you might have a point. In case you missed it, he also has had significant experience in the public sector, both as an Olympic executive and as Governor of Massachusetts. From all accounts I have seen, he handled those other responsibilities well, and left both the Olympics and Mass. in better shape than prior to his arrival, with no significant outsourcing of jobs to China in those other capacities.
As Grasshopper so succinctly pointed out in his 10:01 post, our choices are as follows:
“A business leader, governor, and Olympics president vs. law professor, community organizer (still trying to get a defintion of that one) and failed President.”
josef
June 22nd, 2012
11:03 am
JM
Just doing my EOI duties here, but you do seem to get a lot of mileage out of “Jay’s rubbish…”
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2012
11:03 am
“Still guarding Napoleon, Dog”
Sorry, that whooshed right past me!
Steve Atl
June 22nd, 2012
11:03 am
Jay is Googling like crazy right now to refute the Immelt story…hilarious.
getalife
June 22nd, 2012
11:04 am
We are recovering from the w collapse.
The mindless cycle of the gop destroying our country then the dems clean up their mess can stop by not voting gop.
It is that simple.
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
11:04 am
How’s that Party of No doing on the job front since their last “jobs” campaign.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
11:06 am
Liberals are such liars especially when they say they are clear-eyed and rational.
Cite, please.
josef
June 22nd, 2012
11:06 am
STEVE
I doubt Jay’s paying much attention to what’s going on here…
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
11:07 am
Are there any, ANY, Republicans in the house that can share with us some details on just how much the Ryan budget proposal that Romney supports will reduce the debt per year. ANY at all.
John Birch
June 22nd, 2012
11:07 am
With the Republican WH, House and Senate next year they can reduce Corporate tax to 0%, where it should be, and then foreign businesses will relocate to the US, and we’ll all live happily ever after. When will libs comprehend basic economics? Corporations they don’t pay taxes, they just pass those costs through to their customers. making their goods and services more expoensive then foreign competitors with lower taxes. By taxing US corps and adding Obamacare and expensive regulations you drive business offshore resulting in the Obamaconomy, which created 5 million jobs. Unfortunately 4.5 million of them are at Walmart and Taco Bell!
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
11:07 am
Steve Atl – “Jay is Googling like crazy right now to refute the Immelt story…hilarious.”
Or, he’s off doing other things and ignoring you completly. But hey, whatever gets you through the day.
Georgia Unemployment
June 22nd, 2012
11:07 am
Question? In 2010 there were “several” states that reversed the course and voted in legislatures that were majority “Republican”. They ran on a platform that they were concerned about the economy and “JOBS” were their number one priority. It has been two years, a deadlock Congress and Georgia STILL has a very high unemployment rate! How can Georgia’s problems be President Obama’s responsibility? Sonny Perdue was elected and then Nathan Deal followed by a complete Republican administration.Georgia, where are the JOBS?????????????
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
11:09 am
Sorry, that whooshed right past me!
Ah… in this book, they wrote the Seven Commandments on the side of a barn so that those few literate citizens could read them. Of course those rules were edited, and ultimately… well, I don’t want to spoil the ending.
Anyway, the Dear Leader of that outfit (Napoleon) raised dogs to guard him.
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
11:09 am
John Birch – “and then foreign businesses will relocate to the US, and we’ll all live happily ever after.”
Apparently John wasn’t aware that Honda, Mercedes BMW, Kia, Toyota, VW, Porsche and many many more are already here.
getalife
June 22nd, 2012
11:10 am
The jobs are gone.
They outsourced them for cheap labor.
The cons bowed down.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 22nd, 2012
11:11 am
Josef – only as a foil, generally speaking
Ken
June 22nd, 2012
11:11 am
Again, totally hillarious that we still fight over which side is the best- they are all sycophants for the wealthy campaign contributors…at least Romney might, just might outsource some government jobs and fire those who have been sucking on the taxpayer dole for years. But on a serious note- R’s outsourcing, other businesses’ outsourcing and arbitraging, folding companies purchased into other companies and eliminating duplication, raiding pensions, etc is part of the reason we are in this mess. No one is focusing on the loss of the middle class and won’t until we stir up that hornet’s nest. Soomeone who has the time and organizational skills needs to start a middle class lobby, raise money and find candidates to represent us. The Tea Party was a great concept, but alas, they turned out to be a bunch of retired government workers, including teachers who wanted to protect their own small group- raise up middle class and seize the moment!
Don't Tread
June 22nd, 2012
11:11 am
Last election, we had the choice between a veteran who fought for this country and spent years in an enemy POW camp vs. the community
organizercrackhead.Guess which one got elected…the crackhead. (With the support of the other crackheads, no doubt.)
And still people wonder how we got here…
josef
June 22nd, 2012
11:12 am
SFD
That one swooshed by me, too! Good one…
Steve Atl
June 22nd, 2012
11:12 am
Jay should care…I posted an article about Jeffrey Immelt (Obama’s Job Czar) that completely invalidates Jay’s whole blog.
In one fell swoop(cut and paste)…Jay’s blog is a hypocritical/biased piece of junk.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
11:13 am
With the Republican WH, House and Senate next year they can reduce Corporate tax to 0%, where it should be, and then foreign businesses will relocate to the US, and we’ll all live happily ever after.
I really assumed this was parody, until I saw the author.
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
11:13 am
Corporate income tax revenues collected in 2010 amounted to 9% of the total federal revenues collected that year. Elimination of that would do what, precisely. I’m thinkin’ it would increase the size of CEO compensations and maybe even the size of Apple’s dividend.
josef
June 22nd, 2012
11:13 am
JM
“– only as a foil, generally speaking”
Ah, raw material for your chapeau, eh?
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2012
11:13 am
“Ah… in this book, they wrote the Seven Commandments on the side of a barn so that those few literate citizens could read them. Of course those rules were edited, and ultimately… well, I don’t want to spoil the ending”
Hmmm…the book I had in mind was Animal Farm. Wasn’t it that book where the animals painted the social contract on the barn, and nefarious elements in the community would change it during the night?
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
11:14 am
Don’t Tread – “Last election, we had the choice between a veteran who fought for this country”
And yet you still elected Bush for a second term. No worries, I thought Kerry was pretty dry myself.
getalife
June 22nd, 2012
11:14 am
The gop ran on jobs in 10 and their speaker cries where are the jobs?
To sane Americans, this proves the gop are job killers.
Williebkind
June 22nd, 2012
11:14 am
Cite = ABC, NBC, CBS , & MSNBC. Talk shows such as Bill mahr, oh hell all the liberal talk shows including the ladies.
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
11:15 am
Did Immelt work at Bain? Is he running for president?
Peadawg
June 22nd, 2012
11:15 am
“The gop ran on jobs in 10 and their speaker cries where are the jobs?
To sane Americans, this proves the gop are job killers.”
Haven’t we had positive job growth for over a year now? Just sayin…
Georgia Unemployment
June 22nd, 2012
11:15 am
Last election, we had the choice between a veteran who fought for this country and spent years in an enemy POW camp vs. the community organizer crackhead.
___________________
He fought for his country but under what conditions?
The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides
http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
11:16 am
“In Romney’s case, will an attitude that’s acceptable and perhaps even necessary in a modern business executive be equally acceptable in a person seeking to lead the country?”
While Romney (or any of the GOP candidates who were running this year) was not my first choice, he is in my view a vastly better option than Obama. He will nominate justices who will adhere to the Constitution and not “deconstruct” it; he will not seek to impose a tyranny of the minority upon the majority in issues like marriage (rather than leaving that to states); he will act like an executive rather than a community organizer or an academic; he will tackle our great economic problems with a fervor and competence lacking in Obama; he will not play the race card for political gain; and he may just surprise us by tackling a lot of other problems that need to be fixed (like immigration and the tax code).
It is interesting to see people like Jay constantly hammer away at “issues” like Romney’s work at Bain and his wealth. The focus on the latter “issue” is really telling since I don’t believe these same people (or others like them) ever made a fuss about the wealth of John Kerry, Al Gore, LBJ, RFK or FDR.
I wonder if there is a verifiable correlation between situational ethics and a certain comfort with double standards.
getalife
June 22nd, 2012
11:17 am
“CORPORATE COURT: CHAMBER OF COMMERCE UNDEFEATED WITH SUPREMES” Aol.
You know how they will decide.
Does the coc want to repeal ObamaCare?
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
11:17 am
Corporations they don’t pay taxes, they just pass those costs through to their customers.
Which fake conservative was the first to come up with this absurd nonsense? And is it that supposedly educated people parrot this crap???
Given that logic (LOL!!!) no individuals pay taxes either.
Republican economics 101. Chapter One: I like getting screwed.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
11:18 am
Cite = ABC, NBC, CBS , & MSNBC. Talk shows such as Bill mahr, oh hell all the liberal talk shows including the ladies.
in other words, you’ve got nothing. Thanks.
getalife
June 22nd, 2012
11:18 am
Pea,
Yes, thanks to our President.
They should pass his job bill but this election is more important to you cons.
Bruno
June 22nd, 2012
11:19 am
But, since your theory seems to be that prior experience in life irrevocable influences one’s later job performance, maybe we should take a moment and review Obama’s experience as a community organizer for clues. Granny was kind enough to provide a few links earlier.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070826/3obama.htm
From the link: “In 1985, he moved to Chicago to work with local churches organizing job training and other programs for poor and working-class residents of Altgeld Gardens, a public housing project where 5,300 African-Americans tried to survive amid shuttered steel mills, a nearby landfill, a putrid sewage treatment plant, and a pervasive feeling that the white establishment of Chicago would never give them a fair shake……
Obama lived a few miles away in a modest Hyde Park apartment, but he quickly became part of “the Gardens” community. He played pickup basketball. He walked from house to house to discuss what needed fixing. Wearing his trademark outfit of neatly pressed slacks and button-down shirts with no tie, he spent many hours meeting in kitchens, parlors, and churches…..
Perhaps his most confrontational effort was to pressure city authorities to remove asbestos from the apartments in 1986. When the on-site manager didn’t take action, Obama nudged the residents into confronting city housing officials in two angry public meetings downtown. These generated “a victory of sorts,” Obama said later, as workers soon began sealing the asbestos in the buildings. But the project gradually ran out of steam and money. In fact, some tenants still have asbestos in their homes, according to current resident Linda Randle, 53, who worked with Obama in the ‘86 anti-asbestos campaign.”
From my read, it appears that Obama’s “Villains and Victims”, “Beer Summit”, “Let’s Throw Money At It” world-view was galvanized early on by his experiences in Chicago. So, maybe there’s something to your theory, Jay. The burning question then becomes “How has this served our country well??” From my perspective, not well at all.
Peadawg
June 22nd, 2012
11:19 am
“I like getting screwed.”
That’s what she said.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 22nd, 2012
11:19 am
“That one swooshed by me,”…
Ha, ha , ha…I got it first time! Er, what? ~ Mitt Romney
Erwin's cat
June 22nd, 2012
11:20 am
“Did Immelt work at Bain? Is he running for president?”
no and no he’s consulting him
They BOTH suck
June 22nd, 2012
11:20 am
“I wonder if there is a verifiable correlation between situational ethics and a certain comfort with double standards.”
Guess you haven’t listened to many Republicans in office, running for office, read many right leaning editorials or listened to any talk radio.
Come on TC, that is a two way street…… if you take off the blinders
Williebkind
June 22nd, 2012
11:20 am
Well the unions superpac got a blow by the supremes. They can not charge non union members union dues for politcal contributions. See this is how liberals work. Unions can you tell politics goodbye?
Peadawg
June 22nd, 2012
11:21 am
“Yes, thanks to our President.” – The President did it aaaaaaall by himself? I didn’t think he was dictator.
“to you cons.” – There’s your sign.
Peadawg
June 22nd, 2012
11:23 am
“They can not charge non union members union dues for politcal contributions.” – That should be common sense. How can a union charge non-union members anything to begin with?
getalife
June 22nd, 2012
11:23 am
“Overall, Obama has support from 63 percent of Latino voters in the five states, while 27 percent prefer Romney, according to the poll. Take out Florida, though, where Romney’s support from Latino voters is highest at 37 percent, and Obama has an even greater advantage. In Arizona, 74 percent of Latino voters said they will vote for Obama, and 18 percent said they would choose Romney.” Aol.
Great news.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
11:23 am
the book I had in mind was Animal Farm.
yeah, wasn’t that what I linked to…? yep. Guess I shoulda just spelled it out, sorry for being — I think the expression is “too clever by half.”
getalife
June 22nd, 2012
11:25 am
Pea,
The gop fought against our recovery and you know it.
Shut it.
Oblama
June 22nd, 2012
11:25 am
Why can’t Obama just observe the laws that are on the books? Is there grounds for impeachment for this “above the law” arrogance?
Erwin's cat
June 22nd, 2012
11:25 am
“too clever by half.”
I haven’t heard that one in ages
Peadawg
June 22nd, 2012
11:25 am
“Obama has support from 63 percent of Latino voters”
” In Arizona, 74 percent of Latino voters said they will vote for Obama”
Golly gee I wonder why. I guess Obama’s move worked.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
11:26 am
And DGA, those weren’t “nefarious elements” changing it. That was the government.
That’s how they imposed their rule–just making sh-t up as they went along, and claiming that the rule had always been (for instance) “No animal shall sleep in a bed WITH SHEETS.”
In my benevolent dictatorship, everyone would have to re-read Animal Farm at least once every ten years.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
June 22nd, 2012
11:26 am
Last election, we had the choice between a veteran who fought for this country and spent years in an enemy POW camp vs. the community organizer crackhead.
The one before that we had a choice between a veteran who fought for this country and was wounded in combat vs. A sissy who had his powerful daddy get him out of it.
Guess which one got elected … The sissy. ( With the support of others who never served no doubt.)
And still people wonder how we got here …..
Peadawg
June 22nd, 2012
11:26 am
“Shut it.”
You’re so cute sometimes. Bless your heart.
Mama Says
June 22nd, 2012
11:27 am
Tax Payer,
so by your logic Obama has had no affect at all on any state although he is the president.
What about New York State, Washington State, California
they are all lib states and their economies are in worse shape than ours.
To say Obama has had no affect on Georgia may not be a good idea since he is the President and told us he would change the economic picture. Dont recall him saying his policies would only help Democratic states
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 22nd, 2012
11:28 am
“The gop ran on jobs in 10 and their speaker cries where are the jobs?”
Then they all jumped up and passed a passel of anti-abortion bills…to the GOP jobs must equal anti-abortion legislation…
HOT AIR
June 22nd, 2012
11:28 am
TBS – Is a closet Obama supporter trying to “pass” for unbiased. It’s obvious. Lack the courage to admit your preference? “get a backbone.com.”
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2012
11:29 am
“Which fake conservative was the first to come up with this absurd nonsense?”
Sorry, JamVet…but that one is true. Companies don’t print money, they get it from their customers. The customers pay for EVERYTHING related to the business, and that includes taxes.
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
11:29 am
“Guess you haven’t listened to many Republicans in office, running for office, read many right leaning editorials or listened to any talk radio. Come on TC, that is a two way street…… if you take off the blinders.”
Hypocrisy is everywhere, even in you and me, TBS. But my point was that for those who don’t hold to an unchanging moral code (and that can certainly include ostensibly “religious” Republicans), the “cognitive dissonance” one might feel from transgressing the code might be not as great. I do believe the ethics of liberals tend to be more situational than for conservatives.
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2012
11:31 am
“yeah, wasn’t that what I linked to…? yep.”
And I missed seeing the link! I only read that book once, and that was MANY years ago. The only part of it I really remember is the contract on the barn being change during the night.
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2012
11:32 am
“And DGA, those weren’t “nefarious elements” changing it. That was the government”
They aren’t mutually exclusive!
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
11:32 am
“From my read, it appears that Obama’s “Villains and Victims”, “Beer Summit”, “Let’s Throw Money At It” world-view was galvanized early on by his experiences in Chicago.”
Why do accounts of Obama’s past seem to read like a novel? That should tell you something, right there.
getalife
June 22nd, 2012
11:32 am
Our President is crushing willard.
The gop deserve to lose.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
11:33 am
I guess Obama’s move worked.
Sheriff Arpaio and Governor Brewer did all the heavy lifting there, already.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
11:34 am
I haven’t heard that one in ages
ha ha. Y’know, as I was typing those words, I was actually thinking “does anyone SAY this any more?”
Get Real
June 22nd, 2012
11:35 am
More liberal hate from Jay…I am so shocked
getalife
June 22nd, 2012
11:35 am
crybaby,
It tells us you are another lying con.
Lies do not work here.
Try kyle’s echo chamber blog.
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
11:35 am
Mama Says,
Would you provide a hint as to what you reference in your post to me.
TiredOfIt
June 22nd, 2012
11:36 am
The only way the GOP will get near Romney is with rubber gloves on. They don’t even like him.
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
11:36 am
“Companies don’t print money, they get it from their customers. The customers pay for EVERYTHING related to the business, and that includes taxes.”
How is that not plainly obvious to anyone?
getalife
June 22nd, 2012
11:36 am
Get reak,
The truth is not hate it is just the truth.
Why do you cons run away from the truth like cowards?
Mark in mid-town
June 22nd, 2012
11:37 am
Mitt Romney ran Bain from 1984 – 1999. I challenge anybody to point to a better 15 year period of job growth and wealth creation for the United States. Tens of millions of net new jobs were created during this time and new wealth creation went through the roof, and all segments of society benefitted greatly. The corrupt msm, in their transparent attempt to try to protect the current incompetent in the White House, is engaging in a not-so-subtle attempt to try and blame people such as Mitt Romney for the horrible state of the job market in the country today. I have no great love for Mitt Romney as a person, but he performed with incredible competence in the executive roles he’s occupied, and he was greatly respected by almost all of those who worked for him and with him.
Do
June 22nd, 2012
11:39 am
“guess Obama’s move worked”
Some will see it as pandering and probably will see a counter move from Romney. He’s cagier than McCain and has more cash.
EJ Moosa
June 22nd, 2012
11:39 am
Technically, corporations pay taxes on their profits, since most of the cost of doing business is deductible.
People, on the other hand, pay income taxes. Their cost of doing business is not deductible in most cases.
robert goulet
June 22nd, 2012
11:39 am
JamVet – A corporation increases the costs of its goods and services to cover what it will pay in taxes. Companies that want to make a profit must factor in ALL costs (manufacturing, shipping, marketing, overhead–including taxes!, etc.) into the price of its goods or services. Given the logic, individuals pay ALL taxes, corporate included, since the corporate tax burden is included in the price of the good or service. Understand?
josef
June 22nd, 2012
11:40 am
SFD
I caught it on the second go round without having to click, but when I did click, it came up as Animal Farm…
ST SIMON’s
Well, ain’t YOU special?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 22nd, 2012
11:40 am
Mitt Romney ran Bain from 1984 – 1999.
Yep, most of them Bill Clinton’s years too…Old Bill sure did know how to run an economy, didn’t he?
Get Real
June 22nd, 2012
11:41 am
Get-a-Douche….your posts are always over the top and bordline insane, I suggest you get back on your meds and empty your drool cup
They BOTH suck
June 22nd, 2012
11:41 am
“I do believe the ethics of liberals tend to be more situational than for conservatives.”
Well you certainly have your right to your opinion. We will just agree to disagree on this issue.
I have met as many unscrupulous individuals who would call themselves conservative or right leaning as I have met center left and hard left individuals
Butch Cassidy
June 22nd, 2012
11:42 am
Mark in Midtown – “Mitt Romney ran Bain from 1984 – 1999. I challenge anybody to point to a better 15 year period of job growth and wealth creation for the United States. Tens of millions of net new jobs were created during this time and new wealth creation went through the roof, and all segments of society benefitted greatly. ”
So what your saying is that Mitt Romney is awesome when market conditions are at optimal performance. Won’t argue with that. We just want to know how good he is when economic conditions are in the crapper like they are now.
cloudodust
June 22nd, 2012
11:43 am
Insofar as American jobs going overseas, I’ no fan. Mitt Romney only played the game set in motion by our leadership in business and goverment. The fact that it continues today is one something that digs at my craw but I don’t blame him in this instance for trying to save companies or corporations, which was the primary function of Bane, thereby keep other Americans working for those same companies or corporations within our borders.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 22nd, 2012
11:43 am
Get Real
June 22nd, 2012
11:41 am
Chill, man…
They BOTH suck
June 22nd, 2012
11:43 am
TC
Heck, anyone who reads the posts on this blog, can see that those with selective condemnation and ethics are not monopolized by the left or right.
Peadawg
June 22nd, 2012
11:44 am
“Some will see it as pandering”
That’s exactly how I see. He bought the Latino vote with that short-term “solution”. I wonder how Latinos feel knowing they’re being used??
robert goulet
June 22nd, 2012
11:45 am
Apparently Washington Post “fact checked” their own information: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/4-pinocchios-for-obamas-newest-anti-romney-ad/2012/06/20/gJQAGux6qV_blog.html
Doesn’t look to good for Jay’s argument…
Bruno
June 22nd, 2012
11:45 am
He will nominate justices who will adhere to the Constitution and not “deconstruct” it;
TC–Of all the concerns you mentioned, I view the nomination of the SC judges as the most important given the length of time they serve and the wide-ranging impact their decisions often have. While I’m sure that the Libs here are ecstatic with Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, let’s just say that I’m a tad underwhelmed.
Peadawg
June 22nd, 2012
11:46 am
““Mitt Romney ran Bain from 1984 – 1999. I challenge anybody to point to a better 15 year period of job growth and wealth creation for the United States. Tens of millions of net new jobs were created during this time and new wealth creation went through the roof, and all segments of society benefitted greatly. ”
What does Mitt Romney running Bain for 15 yrs have to do w/ tens of millions of jobs in the United States??? I’m missing the link I guess…..
Rightwing Troll
June 22nd, 2012
11:47 am
“Jay, as usual, you are nothing more than a shameless hack. No self-respecting journalist would stoop to the degrees you do to be a hack. But journalism is dead because it contains so few willing to actually engage in journalism. As I’ve pointed out in the past, the obvious reason you do this is you feel it’s what you have to do to stay employed in the corrupt msm. It’s a shame because you actually do have some talent, unlike many if not most of the other shameless hacks in the msm.”
Another rocket scientist steps up to the plate to deride an opinion editorial writer…
Journalism 101 son… reporters report, editorialists opine… I understand your confused and muddled state though, having mistaken Faux News, Drudge, and Brietbart editorialists as reporters all these years…
getalife
June 22nd, 2012
11:49 am
mark,
My manager from my only corporate job emailed me my words to upper management when they outsourced our jobs.
Everything I said turned out to be true.
Look at us now mark.
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
11:50 am
“I have met as many unscrupulous individuals who would call themselves conservative or right leaning as I have met center left and hard left individuals.”
That I do not doubt. I guess what I think is that the former, because they espouse a fixed moral code and don’t follow it, feel greater guilt (which they may suppress through various means like alcohol or staying busy) while the latter can more easily justify the transgressions of their code by modifying it so that there is no longer any variance.
getalife
June 22nd, 2012
11:50 am
get real,
Yeah, the truth hurts huh?
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
11:51 am
And still people wonder how we got here…
Not the truly informed ones.
It has been forty plus years and numerous administrations in the making. Read the Powell Memorandum of 1971 (or don’t) and you’ll begin to see the decline of we the people’s rightful sovereignty in this republic.
And the take over this nation by BIG business.
And you fake conservatives have simply cowered to those power brokers. And talked yourselves into giving up YOUR sacred role as the supreme and independent power or authority in government in this country to the “monied interests” as Jefferson called them.
To the point now, where your depraved candidate says gleefully, “Corporations are people, my friend.”
And amazingly and even more inexplicably, YOU do THEIR bidding for them.
What a friggin’ mess…
Rightwing Troll
June 22nd, 2012
11:51 am
“While I’m sure that the Libs here are ecstatic with Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, let’s just say that I’m a tad underwhelmed.”
That’s funny considering how overtly political the conservative member of the SCOTUS are and how just recently these bastions of liberalism you deride have been part of majority decisions siding with conservative causes… can you give us any examples of Roberts, Long Dong Thomas, or Duck Hunting Scalia siding with liberal justices on liberal causes?
josef
June 22nd, 2012
11:53 am
GET REAL
Really, Mec, who put thumbtacks in your Cheerios this a.m. Plumb nasty tempered, aintcha?
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
11:54 am
If you haven’t read it in many years…
http://www.george-orwell.org/Animal_Farm/0.html
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
11:54 am
Towncrier — “the latter can more easily justify the transgressions of their code by modifying it so that there is no longer any variance.”
A baseless canard; I’ve seen it used against atheists and political liberals and it’s not applicable to either one, IMO.
They BOTH suck
June 22nd, 2012
11:55 am
TC @ 11:50
Thanks again for the reply. I lean left but not as steadfast in the black and white as it appears you might be on this issue. I could be wrong on that so I mean no offense, hard to always convey a clear message on a blog. I tend to see people’s thinking as having much more than just the left / right paradigm that plays out in much of our politics and of course on here.
Again, we will just have to agree to disagree.
No problem. Thanks for the exchange.
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
11:56 am
rg, if you want the scofflaws to pay no taxes, why not allow them to pay for nothing at all?
No salaries, no costs of goods, no utility payments, nothing.
That way you can pick up their share of the tab to run this country.
Perverted neoliberal capitalism…
Rightwing Troll
June 22nd, 2012
11:56 am
Forgive them josef,
the economy’s up and gas prices are down… they’re all worked up into a hissy because their basest fantasies are proving to be false…
josef
June 22nd, 2012
11:57 am
BRUNO
My jury’s out on both Sotomayor and Kagan…we’ll see. I would have to agree on “I was underwhelmed” but probably for different reasons than you…
Z
June 22nd, 2012
11:57 am
I don’t think anyone who hides their money offshore so they don’t have to pay taxes on that money should be allowed to run for any political office let alone the President of the United States. Romney shipping jobs offshore, disgusting, some Patriot he is!
Madmax
June 22nd, 2012
11:58 am
If a company with 10,000 employees goes out of business because they can’t compete, we lose 10,000+ jobs (the plus is the ripple effect of the jobs lost servicing that company and their employees). If I move 1000 of those jobs offshore for a call center, then I only lose 1000+ jobs. Which is more devastating? As a partner of mine once said when we were discussing dropping our rates to get some business, “you can’t eat pride”
HOT AIR
June 22nd, 2012
11:58 am
Grits – You are the “sissy ‘ cause it take one to know one and it’s time you came out of your hateful closet. You call others sissy when you don’t have the balls to admit Obama is openly violating laws that don’t suit him. You are a lemming for Obama and your law breaker is going down faster than this economic disaster he has created.
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
11:58 am
“Journalism 101 son… reporters report, editorialists opine… I understand your confused and muddled state though, having mistaken Faux News, Drudge, and Brietbart editorialists as reporters all these years…”
Not the most clear-headed assertion I have ever seen. Not all Fox News journalists editorialize (just like not all ABC, CNN and MSNBC journalists simply report); and the Drudge report editorializes in its headlines mostly (which link to other news sites). I could easily produce many instances of “mainstream” journalists editorializing but, since they are very easy to find, I will leave that bit of work to you.
Rightwing Troll
June 22nd, 2012
11:58 am
At least Obama didn’t nominate his cleaning lady for Chief Justice of the SCOTUS…
ken
June 22nd, 2012
11:58 am
And what did Obama run ??????????????????????? NADA , and he continues to run nothing .
ken
June 22nd, 2012
11:58 am
And what did Obama run ??????????????????????? NADA , and he continues to run nothing .
Moderate Line
June 22nd, 2012
12:00 pm
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
8:16 am
For a moderate line, click
+++
And your point is what? I believe in my post I stated that ALL politicians exaggerate their own accomplishments and distort the record of their opponent. In fact one of the links I posted indicates clearly that Romney did not create jobs at Bain. My point is the posting by Jay are simply advertisements for Obama campaign. They should actually have a disclaimer on them.
I am a moderate if you want to win my vote you need to have a better approach.
Rightwing Troll
June 22nd, 2012
12:01 pm
Towncrier… you are correct… I was just having a bit of fun… I often watch Fox, Shep seems to tell the truth a good bit… Greta ain’t too bad, and I’m a big fan of O’Rielly, don’t always agree with him, but I like him…
Mark in mid-town
June 22nd, 2012
12:02 pm
I bring up how well the U.S. economy did during the 15 years Romney ran Bain to point out that business executives such as Romney were helping the economy greatly improve in the aggregate. They contributed to there to be great aggregate job creation, not the job destruction that msm hacks are trying to blame people such as Romney for. The best of this 15 year period was under Clinton, though plenty good under reagan as well. Regardless, for all intents and purposes, Clinton actually operated under more Reagan inspired supply-side economics than was in place for most of Reagan’s presidency.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
12:03 pm
H. Air — “You call others sissy when you don’t have the balls to admit Obama is openly violating laws that don’t suit him.”
I’m interested in hearing exactly which laws the President supposedly violated, and precisely how he supposedly violated them.
getalife
June 22nd, 2012
12:05 pm
Did the gop cut spending cons?
They ran on jobs, so where are the jobs cons?
You never hold your party accountable for their actions cons.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
12:06 pm
Mark — “I bring up how well the U.S. economy did during the 15 years Romney ran Bain to point out that business executives such as Romney were helping the economy greatly improve in the aggregate. They contributed to there to be great aggregate job creation, not the job destruction that msm hacks are trying to blame people such as Romney for.”
If Bain didn’t actually *create* any jobs, but merely discontinued some, saved some and shipped others overseas, then how, exactly, did they contribute in any *positive* way to “aggregate job creation?”
Simply being in business during that time does not strike me as being sufficient cause to take any credit whatsoever for creating jobs, particularly when your company’s activities caused a net *negative* to raw employment numbers.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
12:09 pm
“Jose” Hussein Mama:
Agree to disagree where we disagree.
Agree to agree where we agree.
The bottom line is that illegals (documented or not) are taking hundreds of thousands of jobs from Americans and LEGAL immigrants especially entry level positions, teenager part-time jobs and college part-time jobs.
Just look at the jobless rate for American teenagers alone (not to mention teenage African Americans). Those jobs should go to them FIRST !
UNCLE SAMANTHA
June 22nd, 2012
12:09 pm
and all the hippocritical liberals wail and whine using their APPLE products all made in CHINA to post their blubberings
what a joke
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
12:09 pm
Anyone heard from “Kamchuck” ???
I’m worried about him.
Oblama
June 22nd, 2012
12:10 pm
Major banks world wide and here in the States are downgrade once again. The impending disaster of 2013 that I forecast is taking place before your eyes. Go ahead – follow Obama like a lemming over the cliff to your doom and I don’t want to hear you blame anyone but yourself for voting for this socialist.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
12:11 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
P.S.
I like your idea about a national (counterfeit resistant) ID card.
Stevie Ray
June 22nd, 2012
12:11 pm
JOE HUSSEIN,
Sorry I missed your 10:50 post. In response the domestic quote for providing the steel work for Bay Bridge was double the $400 million they are paying. All work done in CA will be done by union shops domestically. Also, NY has contracted similar steel works for a bridge, commuter train platform and subway upgrades…what i hear you saying is that you’d rather pay $80K (Tesla perhaps) for a domestic automobile than $40k….or perhaps you are suggesting these bridges et al are likely to fall down…isolationism isn’t the answer.
Stevie Ray
June 22nd, 2012
12:13 pm
MADMAX,
Couldn’t agree more…as usual, the clowns on the left are penny-wise and pound foolish when it comes to spending cash or understanding business…..almost as foolish as the jokers on the right when it comes to women’s rights and guns…
carlosgvv
June 22nd, 2012
12:13 pm
“the search for profit makes no allowance for national loyalty”
Perhaps someone here would like to explain to me why modern business executives should get a free pass when it comes to national loyalty. I thought national loyalty was a requirement for all Americans. As for profit, they don’t have to move overseas for that. They can make a good profit by keeping jobs here in America. Of course, they can make MORE money by going overseas. So, they become totally unpatriotic and loyal only to money. And you Republicans actually want someone like this for your next President?
They BOTH suck
June 22nd, 2012
12:13 pm
“The bottom line is that illegals (documented or not) are taking hundreds of thousands of jobs from Americans and LEGAL immigrants especially entry level positions, teenager part-time jobs and college part-time jobs. ”
I know you have stated that business who hire them should be fined heavily, however an illegal can only “take” a job that has been offered.
It’s that supply and demand thing……….
They BOTH suck
June 22nd, 2012
12:15 pm
Oblama
Since part of the problem is WORLD WIDE and not just domestic, what exactly is Romney going to do?
Southern Pride
June 22nd, 2012
12:17 pm
So it was Romney who sent all those jobs to China, huh? I wondered who it was, and now I know. That puts him a little below Obama on the jobs scale, then, as Obama hasn’t really created any jobs at all, for Chinese or Americans.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 22nd, 2012
12:17 pm
Time to outsource the current president
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
12:18 pm
“TC–Of all the concerns you mentioned, I view the nomination of the SC judges as the most important given the length of time they serve and the wide-ranging impact their decisions often have. While I’m sure that the Libs here are ecstatic with Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, let’s just say that I’m a tad underwhelmed.”
Indeed, the nomination of SC judges is one of the most critical and overlooked roles of a president. There is a school of thought within the SCOTUS that considers the Constitution a “living” document whose meaning changes over time in an evolving culture. In my view, that is an extremely dangerous position to take as it makes the interpreters of the documents co-authors of it. The Constitution is a legal contract and, as far as I know, no other legal contract is interpreted that way.
There was a school of textual interpretation that was popular in the 80s and 90s called deconstructionism whereby meaning resides in the reader as much as in the document itself. I firmly believe that the true meaning of a text resides solely in the intent of its authors (in this case the drafters and ratifiers of the Constitution). This can make it hard to interpret historical texts whose authors we can no longer consult.
Happily, the Constitution is perhaps one of the best documented pieces of literature in all of history. We are able to know with reasonable certainty the intent lying behind most of what it says by consulting the various things written by its authors and ratifiers. This is necessary because the Constitution represents a standard. You don’t see engineers modifying approved design documents as they see fit when producing something; those design documents are not “living” and changeable (except through a rigorous process). And it is the Congress and states that now are authorized to revise the Constitution – not the SCOTUS.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
12:18 pm
Any Roman Catholics on here ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
12:19 pm
The best of this 15 year period was under Clinton, though plenty good under reagan as well.
Nonsense.
Stacking more cards on a house of cards want not plenty good.
By every measure, we have been losing ground for decades. In terms of buying power, in terms of financial stability and security and in terms of our future prospects.
What is it going to take for you insanely short sighted apologists for the failed status quo to finally understand that what you desperately want to believe in is nothing but smoke and mirrors?
Another Great Depression?
Keep it up, you almost got your wish in 2008…
They BOTH suck
June 22nd, 2012
12:19 pm
Oblama
Just so you know, I don’t think the US economy is coming out of this funk for several years with Romney or Obama in the WH
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
12:20 pm
They BOTH suck :
True ………… which is why we must deal with the “demand” part of it as well.
I assume you agree that any open job out there should go to an American citizen before an illegal alien ?
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
12:21 pm
Moderate line,
That right wing stuff you linked to just needed some moderation so I gave you some via politifact. That’s all.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
12:22 pm
0311 — “Agree to disagree where we disagree. Agree to agree where we agree.”
Fine. However, you’re still wrong on a number of facts regarding immigration. I am willing to discuss this topic with you politely, but I think you need to admit to yourself that you’re trying to make political points when NEITHER side has any kind of moral high ground on the issue of employment where illegosos are concerned.
“The bottom line is that illegals (documented or not) are taking hundreds of thousands of jobs from Americans and LEGAL immigrants especially entry level positions, teenager part-time jobs and college part-time jobs.”
Deflection. Moving the goalposts. This is what you originally said:
“Obama has done more to take jobs away from Americans with his illegal immigrant policy”
I asked you how he was doing that, and away you went, saying “Uh ………….. because …………… they take jobs that many UNEMPLOYED Americans could take.”
However, that’s been the case since LONG BEFORE Obama became President.
Have the courage of your convictions, sir, and man up when asked a question. Strap on a pair and answer me directly. How, exactly, has Obama “done more to take jobs away from Americans with his illegal immigrant policy” than any other recent President?
“Just look at the jobless rate for American teenagers alone (not to mention teenage African Americans). Those jobs should go to them FIRST !”
A point with which I have not argued. However, I’d like to know the specifics behind your obloquy against *President Obama* in this regard. What policy or policies of his, precisely, have “done more to take jobs away from Americans” than those of any other recent President? Please be specific.
In case you haven’t figured it out, 0311, I don’t dislike you, but I do think you’re making wild-eyed, unsupportable claims about the President, and I’m holding your feet to the fire and demanding an answer. If you don’t WANT to answer, fine — man up and say so. If you can have the strength of character to say something like ‘I don’t want to answer that question,’ then I have the strength of character to say ‘okay’ and let it go. But don’t throw me a bunch of deflecty bulldada and expect me to fall for it. Man, that’s like red meat to me, and I’ve got your scent now.
Once again, I’d like a polite and on-point reply to this question. How, exactly, has Obama “done more to take jobs away from Americans with his illegal immigrant policy” than any other recent President?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 22nd, 2012
12:22 pm
Where’s sooth?!
I see aliens are now the topic.
Moderate Line
June 22nd, 2012
12:23 pm
Rightwing Troll
June 22nd, 2012
11:47 am
“Jay, as usual, you are nothing more than a shameless hack. No self-respecting journalist would stoop to the degrees you do to be a hack. But journalism is dead because it contains so few willing to actually engage in journalism. As I’ve pointed out in the past, the obvious reason you do this is you feel it’s what you have to do to stay employed in the corrupt msm. It’s a shame because you actually do have some talent, unlike many if not most of the other shameless hacks in the msm.”
Another rocket scientist steps up to the plate to deride an opinion editorial writer…
Journalism 101 son… reporters report, editorialists opine… I understand your confused and muddled state though, having mistaken Faux News, Drudge, and Brietbart editorialists as reporters all these years..
++++
Blogging 101 son …bloggers state their own opinion and do not have worry about someone standards of journalism. If you don’t agree with it then so be it. However, if Jay appears to be hack for Obama then his opinion does not have as much affect as if he was total unbiased. Walter Cronkite was biased but he was much more effective because he did not appear to be biased. I respect Jay straightforward honesty about his bias but once it is revealed his articles become less persuasive Also, his complete devotion of his articles to Obama’s reelection makes his posting of little value to someone like myself who has yet to determine who I am voting for. If Newt or Rick Sanatorium was nominated I would be definitely in Obama’s corner but it seems Romney putting heat on Obama has brought out a side of him I never seen before. I have moved from not considering voting for Romney to considering voting for Romney. Not because Romney looks better but because Obama looks worse.
JamVet
June 22nd, 2012
12:23 pm
I assume you agree that any open job out there should go to an American citizen before an
illegal alienIndian, Chinese, Filipino, etc ?“I like firing people”.
Your presumptive candidate with his plan for you guppies…
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
12:23 pm
0311 — “P.S. I like your idea about a national (counterfeit resistant) ID card.”
Good. Thank you!
You see, we CAN find common ground on this. It just takes some effort.
HOT AIR
June 22nd, 2012
12:26 pm
Mama – Immigration Law, Right to Marriage Law, Campaign Finance Law, Civil Rights Law, Confidential Information Act, leaking top secret information, – He has the King Roy Barnes syndrome. …… he’s above the law.
Bruno
June 22nd, 2012
12:26 pm
That’s funny considering how overtly political the conservative member of the SCOTUS are and how just recently these bastions of liberalism you deride have been part of majority decisions siding with conservative causes… can you give us any examples of Roberts, Long Dong Thomas, or Duck Hunting Scalia siding with liberal justices on liberal causes?
Care to elaborate on your “overtly political” charge?? There’s only one metric by which I judge SCOTUS decisions: Is it Constitutional or not?? While no “major” SCOTUS decisions have been rendered yet in the Obama era, I have no doubt which way Kagan and Sotomayor are going to vote re: the constitutionality of the insurance mandate. If the Commerce Clause is turned into an “anything goes” legal option, there will be no effective limit on the government’s power.
My jury’s out on both Sotomayor and Kagan…we’ll see. I would have to agree on “I was underwhelmed” but probably for different reasons than you…
OK, Alexander Hamilton Breath…..
saywhat?
June 22nd, 2012
12:26 pm
The Romney/Ryan plan for the economy would result in a $1300 tax increase on those making $75k to $100K, and $2600 tax increase on those making $100-200K, but a tax decrease of $285,000 on those making > $1,000,000.
That ought to stimulate the economy right back to 2008.
They BOTH suck
June 22nd, 2012
12:27 pm
Scout
Simply put, yes, however it is much more complicated than that.
We encouraged them to come here now want to $hit on them when the times get tough. So much for the moral compass of the world. When I say “we”, I mean those who have profited from them as well as politicians in both parties who looked the other way.
I’m for tightening the boarders and allowing one’s here to have some sort of work permit: how many yrs is a good question that I really don’t have the answer.
Allow so much time for the permits to be distributed and fine the heck out of businesses who are caught employing people who do not have the proper credentials.
No offense, but the majority are not going home. The numbers are down due to the economy as much as any new laws that have been implemented. When the economy picks back up, many will be looking to maximize profits and will be hiring them again….. and they will come.
barking frog
June 22nd, 2012
12:27 pm
0311, JHM
instead of a national i.d.
card how about a bar code
tattoo on the back of your
hand?
UNCLE SAMANTHA
June 22nd, 2012
12:28 pm
POOR JAMVET
cant get his context in context
give me the full context of “i like firing people”?
either your too dumb to understand it or too liberal and want to mislead with it
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
12:28 pm
Rightwing Troll
“…and I’m a big fan of O’Rielly, don’t always agree with him, but I like him…”
I used to like him a lot more; his show is too sappy now. What I liked about him before was that he was like a bulldog in going after some injustices (like the Red Cross not dispensing relief funds to 9/11 victims for over a year after it had collected millions for that purpose and forcing the RC president to resign). He’s opinionated and arrogant and I agree with more of what he says than not. But I hardly ever watch his show now.
They BOTH suck
June 22nd, 2012
12:29 pm
Scout
Have to go to a meeting. Thanks for the exchange.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
12:29 pm
S, Ray — “Sorry I missed your 10:50 post. In response the domestic quote for providing the steel work for Bay Bridge was double the $400 million they are paying. All work done in CA will be done by union shops domestically. Also, NY has contracted similar steel works for a bridge, commuter train platform and subway upgrades…what i hear you saying is that you’d rather pay $80K (Tesla perhaps) for a domestic automobile than $40k….”
Can you show me an imported equivalent to a Tesla Roadster that costs only $40K? AFAIK, no such animal exists (and my wife and I really WANT a Tesla Roadster).
“or perhaps you are suggesting these bridges et al are likely to fall down…isolationism isn’t the answer.”
I haven’t suggested isolationalism. I’ve suggested tax breaks for companies who keep all or most of their employees and facilities in the US, and reduced tax breaks (or none at all) from companies primarily or wholly overseas. I think our tax policy should reward job creation and maintenance in the US, and (not punish, but) *refrain* from rewarding those companies that don’t do that.
Want to move 20% of your headcount overseas? Fine. 20% of your tax breaks are going away in your next tax filing.
This sort of policy can *incent* companies to create domestic jobs, and helps level the playing field for American workers.
ty webb
June 22nd, 2012
12:29 pm
yeah, why couldn’t he just’ve “organized” communities?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
12:32 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
Thank you ……………. I know your background and therefore I “defer” to you on some “technical” aspects.
However, surely you realize that Obama’s policies are only making the issue worse by giving illegals the desire to stay, etc., etc., etc. TOTALLY sealing the borders is impossible and mass deportation is NOT going to happen but making it totally undesirable for illegals to want to stay here is very much doable. We must decrease and eventually take away all of the perks that make illegals want to stay here !
In my opinion it’s Obama that has made this political …………. not me ………….
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
12:33 pm
They BOTH suck:
You’re welcome. Thank you.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
12:34 pm
H. Air — “Mama – Immigration Law, Right to Marriage Law, Campaign Finance Law, Civil Rights Law, Confidential Information Act, leaking top secret information, – He has the King Roy Barnes syndrome. …… he’s above the law.”
I also asked you to tell me *how* he was violating them. Let’s just start with the first one you listed; Immigration law. How, precisely, has he violated that?
I’m going to ask for specifics, so please bear that in mind. I understand that you’re displeased with the President, but I’m going to press you on specifics, not on your upset.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
12:34 pm
barking frog:
666 !
gm
June 22nd, 2012
12:34 pm
Willard and the fake CEO’s are whats wrong with America, they go around the country saying slogans like puting Americans back to work and has sent millions of jobs over seas, and they can stand in front of middle class Americans with a straight face knowing you have right wing idiots who could care less.
Sorry I would take Obama any day who has saved millions of teachers and fireman, police officers jobs that is the middle class, please right wing nut jobs, tell me how many middle class jobs has Willard saved? I thought so””’
josef
June 22nd, 2012
12:35 pm
BRUNO
Alexander Hamilton? That was just plumb over the line. I’m gonna have to call in the Imam on that one..ad hominem attacking…
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
12:36 pm
The other side of OBAMA’s success:
Obama’s pick for NLRB was top lawyer for union tainted by mob ties, history of corruption
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/22/obama-pick-for-nlrb-union-tainted-by-mob-ties-criminal-past/#ixzz1yXadwkdV
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
12:37 pm
B. Frog — “0311, JHM
instead of a national i.d.
card how about a bar code
tattoo on the back of your
hand?”
I saw a guy at DragonCon some years ago with a barcode tat on his bicep. I asked him about it, and he said it was his name, encoded into a specific barcode font.
For those of you who didn’t know, barcodes are essentially just alternate printer fonts; you can actually load them into your PC and render alphanumeric plaintext into barcode if you’re so inclined.
OBLAMA
June 22nd, 2012
12:37 pm
SUX – We are not in a “funk”. This is the cliff that the Obama lemmings are going over to the depression of 2013. Moodys has downgraded the major banks again.Obama has no workable plan to slow down this alarming Fed debt. Three + years and all we get is run away flooding of the markets by the treasury which will lead to runaway inflation. Obama is a puppet for the socialist left. The U.S. Credit Card is maxed out and soon to be denied. Meanwhile Obama spends his time on “gay marriage”.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
12:40 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
There are a number of folks out there who know a lot more about this than you and I combined X100. Here is but one:
“In point of fact, Congress did act—it acted decisively to vote down both the DREAM Act and Comprehensive Immigration Reform, legislation that was, in the view of those elected representatives who voted against those bills, not in the best interests of our nation or our citizens.
Under our Constitution the Congress represents the will of the people. It would certainly appear that the administration is acting to circumvent the immigration laws that Congress would not amend or alter.”
Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2012/06/17/obama-invokes-prosecutorial-discretion-to-circumvent-constitution-and-congress/#ixzz1yXbdfaxj
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
12:40 pm
“Alexander Hamilton? That was just plumb over the line. I’m gonna have to call in the Imam on that one..ad hominem attacking…”
Indeed, josef, as he was arguably the first one (despite being one of the main authors of the Federalist Papers and violating what he said therein) to subvert the Constitution by establishing a national bank – a power not enumerated in that document.
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
12:40 pm
“With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations [of immigrants brought here illegally as children] through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed.”– Comrade Obama 2011
Obama’s amnesty-by-fiat: Naked lawlessness
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-obamas-amnesty-by-fiat–naked-lawlessness/2012/06/21/gJQAa5PltV_story.html?hpid=z2
josef
June 22nd, 2012
12:41 pm
Attacking the Obama administration on the illegal alien thingie is about the funniest thing the two-steppers on the right have come up with (with the notable exception that fast and furious was designed to attack to 2nd amendment). The current regime has deported more illegal aliens than any of the previous administrations and his most recent directive is a GOP proposed action…and to date he certainly is waaaaayyyy more conservative that Reagan…
Silly people….
And HOT AIR…what’s a “sissy?” Is there something wrong with that?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
12:42 pm
josef:
Don’t think I heard back from you on this one:
“Jump in? My whole point on it all, is why was it ever brought up to begin with.Put another way, if he got his BJ at home, would that be different? Well, he WAS at home…he just happened to be living at 1600…”
And you would be wrong. Parts of the main building are the president’s residence. The West Wing is federal office space ………….. and in any case ………. it was with a subordinate employee under his chain of command.
Now I ask again.
Should a president be held to a higher, equal or a lesser standard that those who work for him/her?
P.S.
Wish you had been here last night ……… Kamchuck was very ugly to me (sniff, sniff) and hurt my feelings.
josef
June 22nd, 2012
12:44 pm
BRUNO
Hamilton had deep psychological problems stemming back from early childhood…
Michael
June 22nd, 2012
12:44 pm
Mitt Re:Money is a republican and shares many qualities of previous republican presidents – lower taxes and less regulation. As such, Re:Money also shares the risk of damaging the value of the overall stock market. The Bush crash was about 50%, the Reagan crash was about 25%, and the Hoover crash was 80-90%. We can therefore project a market crash of about 50% if Re:Money is elected president.
Using the same historical information about financial crises and bailouts yields the following the elections of those presidents, we find that the Bush Financial Crisis collapsed insurance companies and banks and required a bailout of $800 Billion; the Reagan Savings and Loan Crisis bankrupted the industry and its insurance fund and required a bailout of $80 Billion. The Hoover Financial Crisis saw bank failures peak at 2,300 per year and led to the Great Depression. Since the big banks have gotten bigger, and each crisis seems to be 10X the size of the last one, we can project a financial crisis of $8 Trillion during a term of Re:Money.
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
12:45 pm
“If you elect me, I promise to give myself another big tax cut just to show my appreciation.” – Mitt
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
12:45 pm
Scout @12:40
Thanks for that link – an interesting read.
josef
June 22nd, 2012
12:46 pm
SCOUT
I didn’t miss it. I just didn’t respond. Lots of us have home offices. His address is 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Period. And, well, it IS all federal property…
Unhinged Impotent Rage with a dash of Obama Derangement Syndrome
June 22nd, 2012
12:46 pm
even Rmoney’s etch-a-sketch was outsourced to China.
Mr_B
June 22nd, 2012
12:46 pm
” I don’t blame him in this instance for trying to save companies or corporations, which was the PRIMARY function of Bane (sic),” (my emphasis)
The PRIMARY function of Bain Capital was to make money for Mitt Romney and the other investors. Anything else was simply a means to that end. It might involve saving a company, or it might involve dismembering one. Either way, the only object of the game was to make money.
HOT AIR
June 22nd, 2012
12:46 pm
MAMA – That will come out in Obama’s impeachment trial – providing he is reelected. I don’t think he will be. Obama is aiding and abetting illegals …….. I don’t care where they come from. If they are illegal he took a sworn oath to enforce the laws of this country and he is ignoring the laws . A small example of this is his allowing students to remain in schools here illegally. He has instructed the law enforcers to ignore the laws on the books. That’s illegal.
Madmax
June 22nd, 2012
12:47 pm
Joe Hussain – but wouldn’t national ID cards disenfranchise the poor. I mean how on earth are they going to get them if they can’t get a picture ID now.
gm
June 22nd, 2012
12:49 pm
Obama has saved millions of policemen, firemen, teachers jobs you will never hear about it at fox idiot news, 3 times college drop out Sean Hannity who hates the President and jealous of him and lets not forget the high school drop out Rush Limbaug, former top 20 dj, ex druger, boy these people really are qualified to take shots at the President a former Harverd Lawyer.
This shows why the right are a bunch of misguided Americans and would do any thing to destroy this great President who have kept this country secured for last 3 years what a bunch of idiots.
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
12:49 pm
“Joe Hussain – but wouldn’t national ID cards disenfranchise the poor. I mean how on earth are they going to get them if they can’t get a picture ID now.”
Was this said tongue-in-cheek?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 22nd, 2012
12:49 pm
Obama should be outsourced to Greece
That’s where he belongs
josef
June 22nd, 2012
12:50 pm
SCOUT
And you seem to miss my whole point on double standard…just take a good look at that pack of moral degenerates calling to impeach him…Jeeeze, Louise…I guess, though, that would be a jury of his peers…
JKL2
June 22nd, 2012
12:50 pm
Bottom line up front: Any job Romney created is still one more than obama ever has.
obama: sucking off the public teet since 1961.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
12:50 pm
what’s a “sissy?” Is there something wrong with that?
Yes, if you’re Rip Van Winkle and awakening from your slumber that began sometime during the original run of My Three Sons.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
12:51 pm
0311 — “However, surely you realize that Obama’s policies are only making the issue worse by giving illegals the desire to stay, etc., etc., etc.”
I don’t understand. Don’t illegosos *already* have the desire to stay? How is the President giving them what they presumably already have?
Plus, the new policy doesn’t affect illegosos over a certain age, so Pedro the stonemason (who’s 45) is completely unaffected.
“TOTALLY sealing the borders is impossible and mass deportation is NOT going to happen but making it totally undesirable for illegals to want to stay here is very much doable.”
I agree. The way to do that is to prevent them from obtaining work — but to do that, we have to demonstrate to employers that it is going to HURT LIKE HELL if they get caught employing them. That means that companies like Tyson, Hormel, whoever — are going to take some hits, and we need lawmakers who aren’t going to vote to water that down just because Tyson or Hormel happen to wave a fat campaign contribution check at them.
Again — institute the ID card and put nasty teeth in the employment laws — illegosos will leave on their own.
“We must decrease and eventually take away all of the perks that make illegals want to stay here !”
I agree. However, profiling based on race — which seems to be how illegosos get caught today — is distressing and upsetting (rightly so) to Hispanics who are here legally. I used to travel a lot in my work, and after 9/11, my Hispanic wife quit coming inside the airport to meet me because of all the hassles she was getting. I don’t know if she was profiled as ‘possible illegoso’ or ’swarthy and possibly muslim,’ but it pizzed her off royally. And a pizzed-off wife makes for an unpleasant weekend home.
DHS, you were messing up my nooky plans!
“In my opinion it’s Obama that has made this political …………. not me …………. ”
IMO, it’s the GOP that did it. Think about this — imagine you’re walking down the street, carrying only what you have on you at this moment. You’re stopped by a cop, who demands to see proof of citizenship. He won’t let you go home, go back to your car or office, or call anyone. You have to prove your citizenship *on the spot,* or he says he’s taking you in.
How do you *prove* your citizenship?
Driver’s license? Nope.
SS card? Nope.
Military ID? Nope.
About the only way I can think of is if you carry one of these things ON you, and I don’t think most people do:
US Passport
Notarized copy of birth certificate
Naturalization documents
So the ‘papers, please’ laws, IMO, set an unreasonably high standard of proof — so high, in fact, that anyone stopped by the police is *virtually certain* to be unable to meet it.
This is why we need a national ID document. The civil libertarian in me intensely hates the idea, but it’s clear to me that there’s no other practical way to solve the problem.
Maybe you have ideas on how the national ID card could be done? Or things it could be used for?
barking frog
June 22nd, 2012
12:52 pm
0311
kamchak’s post is gone.
may have had consequences.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
12:54 pm
kamchak’s post is gone.
may have had consequences.
That’s unpossible. Everyone knows that Jay only bans rock-ribbed America-lovin’ conservatives.
josef
June 22nd, 2012
12:54 pm
JM
“Obama should be outsourced to Greece
That’s where he belongs”
********
Might not be a bad idea. Have you taken a good look at the composition of that coalition government? The Socialists and the arch conservatives… hmmmm…
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
12:54 pm
“…and to date he certainly is waaaaayyyy more conservative that Reagan…”
Yeah, Reagan was so wanting to pass gay marriage legislation but Nancy said she would divorce him if he tried.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
12:54 pm
josef:
You’re dodging but that’s o.k. ……………….
The West Wing is NOT his residence. It is federal property the same as the Old Executive Office across the way and the employees there are subject to federal law and regulations (everything from OSHA to EEO stuff).
Bottom line? The majority of Congress in the impeachment trial determined the president should be held to a lower standard of conduct.
So be it.
Moderate Line
June 22nd, 2012
12:56 pm
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
12:21 pm
Moderate line,
That right wing stuff you linked to just needed some moderation so I gave you some via politifact. That’s all.
+++
The truth is neither right wing or left wing.
FactCheck.org has plenty of articles criticizing Romney. “For example, http://factcheck.org/2012/06/romneys-immigration-exaggeration/
Mitt Romney exaggerates when he says President Obama “did nothing on immigration” for three and a half years, even when Democrats controlled both houses of Congress. Obama supported and lobbied for the DREAM Act, which would have created a path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants who were brought to the U.S. as children. The bill passed the House in December 2010, but failed in the Senate largely because of Republican opposition.
In the Senate, a cloture motion to end debate received 55 votes — a clear majority and enough to assure passage had the bill been allowed to come to a straight up-or-down vote. But the measure failed because it takes 60 votes for such a motion to pass. The vote was mostly along party lines: Three Senate Republicans voted for the motion, and five Democrats were among the 41 senators who opposed it.
An interesting point is that if the five democrats had voted for cloture then the Dream Act would have become law.
That sounds really right wing. The reason I posted the articles is indicate that Jay rarely if ever comments on Obama and rarely in a negative way.
barking frog
June 22nd, 2012
12:57 pm
0311
Clinton’s acquittal would be
jury nullification.
Erwin's cat
June 22nd, 2012
12:57 pm
gm – “…please right wing nut jobs, tell me how many middle class jobs has Willard saved? “
ask the people at AMC Theaters, Burger King, Burlington Coat Factory, Clear Channel, Domino’s Pizza, Guitar Center, HD Supply, Micheal’s, Staples, Toys r Us, and the weather channel to name a few
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 22nd, 2012
12:58 pm
Josef
Greece is a crazy place
Perfect for Obama, he would be very popular there
Did you see Mrs. Warren is trying to put her Cherokee imbroglio behind her?
I think the liberal hero will lose, but who knows for sure until election day
josef
June 22nd, 2012
12:58 pm
TOWNCRIER
I was talking about immigration, not gay rights…
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
12:58 pm
0311 — “Under our Constitution the Congress represents the will of the people. It would certainly appear that the administration is acting to circumvent the immigration laws that Congress would not amend or alter.”
The President merely formalized internal DHS/ICE policy that they had *already* been operating under for at least a year. Read:
http://www.ice.gov/doclib/secure-communities/pdf/prosecutorial-discretion-memo.pdf
Nothing in there says ‘we’re not going to catch these people.’ It pretty clearly says ‘we have limited resources, so let’s not spend a lot of time chasing these kinds of illegosos — and there’s a list of mitigating circumstances — and then it says ‘ let’s instead focus on these types of illegosos’ — and then there’s a list of aggravating circumstances.
Absolutely nothing in that memo or Obama’s policy excuses or exempts or immunizes anyone from enforcement action by ICE. It simply lays out a policy statement on how the ICE’s *scarce resources* are going to be used in order to catch the worst and most dangerous offenders first. Exercising prosecutorial discretion is not in any way a refusal or failure to enforce the law — DAs across the country do it every day when they offer plea bargains or immunity deals.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
12:58 pm
barking frog:
“0311
kamchak’s post is gone.
may have had consequences.”
Possibly. Some people on here exhibit a “personal” vitriol for others who disagree with them. In my opinion, the “left” is worse at this than the “right”.
That said, everyone has a right to their opinion and to be treating with respect. You can “hate” policies without hating the person.
HDB
June 22nd, 2012
12:59 pm
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
11:16 am
“He will nominate justices who will adhere to the Constitution and not “deconstruct” it; he will not seek to impose a tyranny of the minority upon the majority…..”
What about the tyranny of the majority?? If you honestly believed that, then segregation would still be LEGAL!! What about the 14th Amendment…guaranteeing “equal protection under the law”? Are you saying that the rights of a minority are less important??
Just like a Republican……”the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many”!!!
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
12:59 pm
“The reason I posted the articles is indicate that Jay rarely if ever comments on Obama and rarely in a negative way.”
The “balance” comes from his bloggers.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
1:01 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
Again, there are many well informed people who disagree with you and in my opinion Obama has exceeded his authority. Suits will be filled and eventually SCOTUS will decide.
P.S. I have traveled to 28 countries on five continents. I “NEVER” went out without my passport. NEVER.
No sympathy from me ………….. show me your passport !
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
1:01 pm
H. Air — “MAMA – That will come out in Obama’s impeachment trial – providing he is reelected. I don’t think he will be. Obama is aiding and abetting illegals …….. I don’t care where they come from. If they are illegal he took a sworn oath to enforce the laws of this country and he is ignoring the laws . A small example of this is his allowing students to remain in schools here illegally. He has instructed the law enforcers to ignore the laws on the books. That’s illegal.”
Sorry, but you’re wrong. Obama merely formalized what was already internal DHS/ICE policy; here’s a document from last June that lays it out:
http://www.ice.gov/doclib/secure-communities/pdf/prosecutorial-discretion-memo.pdf
Look up “Prosecutorial Discretion.” That’s all this is.
independent thinker
June 22nd, 2012
1:01 pm
Sounds like Romney and the Koch brothers are a perfect fit. None of them really give a rat’s behind about putting the little people back to work.Of course big bonus packages for the upper level and low taxes is something a Bain capitalist would make a priority.
At least Obama talks about working with corporations to bring back jobs they shipped overseas. Maybe a few of the Obama haters will realize that a community organizer is more experienced in waking up the social conscious of corporations to bring jobs back. I cannot envision Willard doing that.
HDB
June 22nd, 2012
1:02 pm
USMC
June 22nd, 2012
10:53 am
MSNBC/Politico Reporter: Romney Only Comfortable Around ‘White Folks’
Question: If Romney couldn’t deal with tough questions from black constituents in Philadelphia…….the point is quite a noticeable one…particularly about Republicans, isn’t it??
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/24/mitt-romney-education-philadelphia-black-voters_n_1542981.html
…..or from what really happened in Philly:
http://www.philly.com/philly/education/20120525_Romney__in_West_Philadelphia__dismisses_value_of_small_classes.html
josef
June 22nd, 2012
1:02 pm
JM
Have to agree on the Greek thingie…interesting to say the least…can’t wait to see just how long this coalition holds together…
As for Elizabeth Warren…it’s already pretty clearly established to me that her attackers on that one are so ignorant of American/Southern/Cherokee/Oklahoma history that it’s pointless to even try to discuss the matter.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
1:03 pm
barking frog:
“0311
Clinton’s acquittal would be
jury nullification.”
Yes ……….. Congressional jury nullification ………. a final (well not “the” final) check and balance that even citizens can use and I am not opposed to that.
HDB
June 22nd, 2012
1:03 pm
JKL2
June 22nd, 2012
12:50 pm
Bottom line up front: Any job Romney shipped offshore is still one less than Obama ever has.
There….fixed it…..
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
1:04 pm
Madmax — “Joe Hussain – but wouldn’t national ID cards disenfranchise the poor. I mean how on earth are they going to get them if they can’t get a picture ID now.”
You probably missed it the last two times I brought it up, but I propose a lengthy implementation period, say 2-3 years. The cards have to be unforgeable, but also relatively easy to obtain (provided you can prove your identity). Possibly some biometric identifier (iris scan or fingerprint) could be used to verify your ID if you lost your card and needed a replacement.
I also proposed that these cards be COMPLETELY free of charge for all citizens. That covers the poor.
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
1:04 pm
Moderate Line,
I cannot recall seeing anything on Kyle’s blog on Obama that was not negative. So perhaps the two of them constitue a “fair and balanced” approach, which is more than I can say for one Fairly Unbalanced Fox “News” network. Besides that, if you think Jay’s posts contain dishonest or misleading information, you can always post your proof. He seems quite receptive.
Florida Voting Rules Discriminate Against Minorities: Justice Department
June 22nd, 2012
1:04 pm
* Would cut back early voting hours, ban Sunday balloting
* Critics say reduced hours would hurt blacks
* Changes on hold before ruling, expected before Nov. 6
By Drew Singer
WASHINGTON, June 21 (Reuters) – New rules in Florida that cut back on early voting hours unfairly burden the state’s minorities, U.S. Justice Department lawyers argued on Thursday.
A three-judge District Court panel in Washington, D.C., heard nearly six hours of arguments from the Justice Department and Florida, which last year passed a series of measures its attorneys say will stave off voter fraud.
The changes would require people who moved counties to file provisional ballots, allow counties to adjust voter precinct hours and reduce the number of early voting days.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/florida-voting-rules-election-law-rick-scott_n_1617294.html?ref=topbar
Welcome to the Occupation
June 22nd, 2012
1:05 pm
Did someone up top there actually say “left-leaning WaPo” ?
Wow.
Interesting.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 22nd, 2012
1:05 pm
I’m more worried about obama’s fast and furious spending than I am about the guns
Erwin's cat
June 22nd, 2012
1:06 pm
dependent thinker – “I cannot envision Willard doing that.”
ask the people at AMC Theaters, Burger King, Burlington Coat Factory, Clear Channel, Domino’s Pizza, Guitar Center, HD Supply, Micheal’s, Staples, Toys r Us, and the Weather Channel to name a few
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
1:08 pm
Did someone up top there actually say “left-leaning WaPo” ?
Wow.
Interesting.
Come on, Kaplan Test Prep is toooootally socialist, man.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 22nd, 2012
1:09 pm
For a person to assert that the Washington Post is a “left-leaning” media organization, is just, well, breathtaking.
Goes a long way to telling you all you need to know about our present predicament in this country.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
1:09 pm
0311 — “Again, there are many well informed people who disagree with you and in my opinion Obama has exceeded his authority. Suits will be filled and eventually SCOTUS will decide.”
Shrug. It’s a political play by the GOP. Wanna know how I know?
(whispers) They didn’t say jack squat about the ICE memo I posted, even though the applicable subcommittees would have had it. They only freaked out when the President formalized that policy letter.
“P.S. I have traveled to 28 countries on five continents. I “NEVER” went out without my passport. NEVER. No sympathy from me ………….. show me your passport !”
Fair enough. Most people don’t have passports, though, and IIRC, the State Department recommends that you *not* just carry it around with you.
FWIW, I have a copy of my BC in my wallet.
weetamoe
June 22nd, 2012
1:10 pm
Just in case you missed the 30 second ad that re-re-re-repeats previously debunked charges against Romney, Mr Bookman reads one of them to you. If you care more about facts than winning an argument I suggest that in addition to reading the WAPost hit piece, you look into Modus and other operations your very own self and also read a bit about what Stephen Rattner has to say and look into the people at Citi who were handling the EBT card contract and if you find that interesting broaden your sphere of research materials a little more.Or just let Mr Bookman tell you what to think.
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June 22nd, 2012
1:11 pm
josef:
Now this is classy ………………
Headline: “Gay Activists Visiting White House Take Photos of Themselves Flipping Off Reagan Portrait”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gay-activists-visiting-white-house-take-photos-of-themselves-flipping-off-reagan-portrait/
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
1:12 pm
Ballot Bollix SHEETZ
Welcome to the Occupation
June 22nd, 2012
1:12 pm
Decibels: “Come on, Kaplan Test Prep is toooootally socialist, man.”
Bingo.
Not to mention this editorial piece yesterday on Assange : http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/asylum-for-julian-assange/2012/06/20/gJQAZpuJrV_story.html.
- so sneering, so boot-licking in its water carrying subservience to US empire that, well, it could have come straight from one of its rather large stable of right wing columnists and bloggers .. (Jennifer Rubin anyone?)
weetamoe
June 22nd, 2012
1:12 pm
How does the Washington post lean? Can you say Ezra Klein?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
1:14 pm
0311 — “Now this is classy ………………”
That is kinda douchey, yeah.
But I have to admit, I’d like to take a dump on Cheney’s grave one day.
Mr_B
June 22nd, 2012
1:14 pm
Erwin’s Cat:@ 12:57
Is it your contention that all of these firms would have ceased to exist without the intervention of Bain Capital?
gm
June 22nd, 2012
1:14 pm
Now if Obama and Holder had not stop some of the terrorist plots, if they had only let their guard down like the last President, then maybe these right wing nut jobs would be just a little more American to the President of the United States.
Amazing looking at the right wing nut jobs in Georgia now we know why other states like Va, Ws, Ohio are below 7% unemployment, hicksville rather hate on Presient then deal with their fail party in Georgia for the last 15 years, nice going backwoods Georgia voters especially in the South Georgia.
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June 22nd, 2012
1:14 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
1) Again, I don’t have time for lengthy back and forth as I am working on something else at this time but MANY disagree with you …………. and SCOTUS will decide.
Can you live with that? A SCOTUS decision like the one we will probably have Monday on Obamacare?
2) “Most people don’t have passports, though”
Obviously, because their illegal. That’s their problem.
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
1:16 pm
gm – “…please right wing nut jobs, tell me how many middle class jobs has Willard saved? “
ask the people at AMC Theaters, Burger King, Burlington Coat Factory, Clear Channel, Domino’s Pizza, Guitar Center, HD Supply, Micheal’s, Staples, Toys r Us, and the weather channel to name a few
How many jobs did Romney save at these businesses, Erwin?
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
1:17 pm
“What about the tyranny of the majority?? If you honestly believed that, then segregation would still be LEGAL!!”
I don’t agree at all. Legal racial segregation was really fostered in the south by racist Democrats. When blacks fled the south in the early 20th century, they were segregated not by law but other factors. I don’t believe that the majority of whites in America were for segregation; if that were the case, then all of the states would have passed laws enforcing it. Many may have been indifferent as opposed to against it, but that is another matter.
The way to safeguard the interests of the minority is through state laws. Federal laws should represent the interests of the majority.
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
1:20 pm
“You probably missed it the last two times I brought it up, but I propose a lengthy implementation period, say 2-3 years. The cards have to be unforgeable, but also relatively easy to obtain (provided you can prove your identity). Possibly some biometric identifier (iris scan or fingerprint) could be used to verify your ID if you lost your card and needed a replacement. I also proposed that these cards be COMPLETELY free of charge for all citizens. That covers the poor.”
I like your proposal, JHM. It sounds reasonable to me at this point (without thinking it through entirely).
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
1:21 pm
Towncrier:
Right after the civil war many northern states passed laws limiting or forbidding black immigration into their states. Some even required the posting of a “bond” before they were even allowed to visit.
There is more bigotry and prejudice in most big northern cities today than in the south.
Just go into an ethnic Polish neighborhood in say Chicago or Philly and ask around.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 22nd, 2012
1:21 pm
” If you care more about facts than winning an argument I suggest that in addition to reading the WAPost hit piece”
See this is one of the major reasons that the outfit known as “FOX News” really exists. It’s so that people can look at other organizations like the Washington Post, which in their editorial opinions are still comfortably right of center (that is, when you consider the vast the shift to the right of our entire political spectrum has been, esp over the last 5-10 years), but do still publish some traditional critical fact-checking and -gathering journalism that is at least formally based on actual reporting (despite often uncritically reproducing ideologically slanted framing of issues), and say: “see there, that’s the “LIBERAL media” for you!”
When in reality, it’s nothing of the sort. All that’s happened is that FOX has come along and staked out a position that is well to the right of the so-called “mainstream”, which in turn pulls those mainstream outlets to the right, but when those organizations don’t adopt the full-bore right wing party line of FOX they can still be pointed to and disavowed as “liberal” outlets. The result: the entire political discourse is steadily dragged to the right.
Paulo977
June 22nd, 2012
1:24 pm
josef
it’s already pretty clearly established to me that her attackers on that one are so ignorant of American/Southern/Cherokee/Oklahoma history that it’s pointless to even try to discuss the matter.
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Come to think of it, ignorance in the electorate , from what is going on now, does not only impact the Warren issue!!!!
HDB
June 22nd, 2012
1:27 pm
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/22/romney-outsourcing-bain/?section=money_topstories
“Similar lack of shock for WaPo’s (fairly lackluster) case that Bain Capital also encouraged its non-BPO portfolio companies to take advantage of outsourcing trends. In fact, one of Romney’s former colleagues recently told me: “In the 1980’s, private equity made a lot of its money by stripping and flipping. In the 1990’s and early 2000’s, it was about outsourcing. Since then, it’s been about growth.” No shame or sense of regret. Just matter-of-fact.
The problem with this history, however, is that it runs counter to Mitt Romney’s own narrative. And he only has himself to blame.
On the campaign trail, Romney has a tendency to talk about a job creation record. Specifically, that he helped create 100,000 “net jobs.” As we’ve previously reported, it’s a figure that no one, including Romney, can actually calculate. Bain Capital never tracked the number of jobs it created, let alone the number it destroyed or outsourced.”
Why not ask those people whose jobs were destroyed by Bain Capital so that we can get the TRUTH rather than the transmitted perceptions?? Ask why a company that experienced 53% GROWTH in its market was driven in bankruptcy….if management was so good??
From wiki…about AMPAD:
“In 1992, the newly formed holding company American Pad & Paper and Bain Capital purchased the subsidiary from Mead. Upon its formation, American Pad & Paper consolidated its 13 manufacturing and distribution facilities into six in 21 locations in the US. At the time, the company had more than 3,700,000 square feet (340,000 m2) of production and warehouse space in California, Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, Massachusetts, Mississippi, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Washington, and Wisconsin.[4]
The company continued to enjoy 53 percent compound annual growth in net sales, which increased from $8.8 million in 1992 to $200.5 million in 1996, when the company became publicly traded. The company made a number of acquisitions, including writing products company SCM in July 1994, brand names from the American Trading and Production Corporation in August 1995, WR Acquisition and the Williamhouse-Regency Division of Delaware, Inc. in October, 1995, Niagara Envelope Company, Inc. in 1996, and Shade/Allied, Inc. in February 1997.
On January 8, 1999, unable to sustain profitability, the company announced it would be delisted from the New York Stock Exchange. After filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection…..”
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June 22nd, 2012
1:27 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
“0311 — “Now this is classy ………………”
That is kinda douchey, yeah.
But I have to admit, I’d like to take a dump on Cheney’s grave one day.”
I hear you and my only comment is that I would NEVER do something like that even for someone’s policies I totally despised.
Again, I think you bring out the basic differences between Liberals and Conservatives, Tea Party Rallys vs. Occupy Demonstrations, etc., etc.
It’s all about being respectful even in disagreement.
I think Kamchuck learned the hard way.
HDB
June 22nd, 2012
1:32 pm
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
1:17 pm
“I don’t agree at all. Legal racial segregation was really fostered in the south by racist CONSERVATIVES….which at that point were Democrats…but they began their migration to the GOP in 1964″
Fixed that statement…..
” I don’t believe that the majority of whites in America were for segregation…”
Then why did it take the SUPREME COURT to enforce the 14th Amendment so that ethnic minorities would have the same constitutional protections as the majority??
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
1:34 pm
“Trust me.” – Mitt Romney at GST Steel employee meeting
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
1:35 pm
0311 — “Can you live with that? A SCOTUS decision like the one we will probably have Monday on Obamacare?”
I’d caution you about trying to read the Court’s mind. Many people try it, many people fail.
“Obviously, because their illegal. That’s their problem.”
Most *American citizens* don’t have passports. I read a stat once; I think it was something like 12-18% of Americans ever have passports *at all* in their entire lives.
Mark in mmid-town
June 22nd, 2012
1:37 pm
Journalism 101 son… reporters report, editorialists opine… I understand your confused and muddled state though, having mistaken Faux News, Drudge, and Brietbart editorialists as reporters all these years..
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You miss the point. I have no problem with Jay opining or being a liberal, but Jay also considers himself a journalist. The problem I have is when he uses his msm perch to be nothing more than a Democratic Party hack, regurgitating the talking points sent to him by the Democratic Party or Media Matters or some other George Soros run group. It’s pretty obvious that this is what Jay does way too often. I understand why Jay feels the need to do this as his job security is dependent on it. He knows, as do most in the msm, that their prospects of remaining employed in the msm are not very favorable if they don’t promote the party line. There are conservative hacks as well, but they’re outnumbered about 10 – 1 in the news media as the news media is largely in control of liberals. As for Breitbart and Drudge, whatever their faults, they do engage in journalism and break stories the liberal msm and their Democratic Party masters would prefer remain buried.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
1:37 pm
Towncrier — “I like your proposal, JHM. It sounds reasonable to me at this point (without thinking it through entirely).”
Thank you; that’s very kind of you to say.
I’m open to suggestions, ideas and amendments. It just seems to me that given the problems we face with respect to immigration, there’s just no *easy* fix — but that the ID card would address most of the issue and potentially be cheaper into the bargain.
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
1:41 pm
“Then why did it take the SUPREME COURT to enforce the 14th Amendment so that ethnic minorities would have the same constitutional protections as the majority??”
You will have to consult the court since, in its infinite wisdom, it issued two diametrically opposed opinions on segregation. They originally ruled segregation laws constitutional (even after a Civil Rights Act of 1875) in 1896. But I would argue that universal protections should apply to those things over which, when we are created, we have no choice (such as age, gender and skin color). Homosexuality cannot be proven to be genetic as those things are.
Towncrier
June 22nd, 2012
1:43 pm
” It just seems to me that given the problems we face with respect to immigration, there’s just no *easy* fix — but that the ID card would address most of the issue and potentially be cheaper into the bargain.”
It strikes me as a pragmatic solution (which we need more of).
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June 22nd, 2012
1:44 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
1) I have had many SCOTUS decisions not go the way I thought they should.
I simply asked can you live with whatever their decision will be on Obama’s immigration policy even if it disagrees with your own viewpoint ?
2) “Most *American citizens* don’t have passports. I read a stat once; I think it was something like 12-18% of Americans ever have passports *at all* in their entire lives.”
Of course they don’t because they don’t leave this country !
My point was if I travel to a foreign country I carry mine (or other required documentation) and am ready, willing and able to provide such to any person of authority in that country who asks me to.
I expect no less from any non-citizen in this country.
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
1:47 pm
Using Romney’s “logic” for job creation, I have to award President George Washington with the top honor of creating all of our jobs for now and forever.
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
1:51 pm
Tell me again exactly what steps Romney, the successful businessman, must take in order to turn a profit from the US government.
stands for decibels
June 22nd, 2012
1:52 pm
How does the Washington post lean? Can you say Ezra Klein?
weetamoe, if you’re still around–yep, and I can say Kathleen Parker, Charles Krauthammer, Richard Cohen, Jennifer Rubin, George Will, Michael Gerson… a boatload of conservative or conservative-friendly voices published in their pages.
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June 22nd, 2012
1:54 pm
TaxPayer:
And you would be right for without his military leadership ………… our country would not be here and you would be complaining about the Queen.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
2:08 pm
0311 — “I simply asked can you live with whatever their decision will be on Obama’s immigration policy even if it disagrees with your own viewpoint ?”
Sure. I lived with Citizens United, didn’t I?
“Of course they don’t because they don’t leave this country ! My point was if I travel to a foreign country I carry mine (or other required documentation) and am ready, willing and able to provide such to any person of authority in that country who asks me to. I expect no less from any non-citizen in this country.”
You’re missing my point. Most *Americans* can’t prove their citizenship, even in their own country. So stopping people and asking them to prove they’re citizens or allowed to be here (per the Papers, Please laws) is kind of a pointless exercise.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
2:10 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
Not pointless ………….. just as step in the right direction.
Reasonable suspicion
Probable cause
………….. and a national ID card would be great with an automatic, immediate deportation (no hearing) if you are found in possession of a counterfeit one.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
2:11 pm
0311 — “………… our country would not be here and you would be complaining about the Queen.”
God save the Queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
Potential H-Bomb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Save_the_Queen_(Sex_Pistols_song)
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
2:13 pm
0311 — “………….. and a national ID card would be great with an automatic, immediate deportation (no hearing) if you are found in possession of a counterfeit one.”
What if you find an American *citizen* in possession of one? Where do you deport that guy to?
Jay
June 22nd, 2012
2:16 pm
Mark, the situation that you attempt to describe has no relationship whatsoever to reality. You are opining on something that you know absolutely nothing about, and expose only your own ignorance about how the real world works.
Other than that, carry on!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 22nd, 2012
2:18 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
To the nearest U.S. Marshal’s holding tank ……….. same as with counterfeit currency ………. did it for years …………… AND guess what ………… that vehicle belongs to Uncle Sam because it was used to transport “contraband” !!!
I love it !!!
Joe Hussein Mama
June 22nd, 2012
2:25 pm
0311 — “To the nearest U.S. Marshal’s holding tank ……….. same as with counterfeit currency ………. did it for years …………… AND guess what ………… that vehicle belongs to Uncle Sam because it was used to transport “contraband” !!!”
I have said that I think it should be a felony to copy, attempt to copy or possess a copy of one of these cards. So yeah, US Marshals would be about right.
Give some thought to what you’d like to see those cards used for. Seems to me they could be used to address more than one thing (i.e. voter ID, work authorization, SS card, Medicare card, drivers license, etc.). And also think about how to ensure that American citizens can *get* them. That was the biggest liberal complaint about voter ID laws.
If these cards plug holes, but are reasonably easy to obtain (and free), then it seems to me that they address *both sides* complaints and both Dems and GOPs win.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 22nd, 2012
2:28 pm
I’m guessing Midtown is not the most, shall we say, favorable, environs for a person with Mark’s obsessions to call home. Lol
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June 22nd, 2012
2:41 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
Bottom line:
Don’t think it will ever happen ……………. too political.
frank1569
June 22nd, 2012
2:53 pm
Two things often overlooked:
1. Corporations are dictatorships – the boss says jump, you jump, or you’re gone.
2. The Book of Mormon clearly states that the ‘ideal’ government is a one-world monarchy ruled by a benevolent King.
Taken together, one could argue Mormon Romney believes his experience as a dictator qualifies him to be King of the World.
barking frog
June 22nd, 2012
2:53 pm
How do you deport someone if you don’t
know what country they are
from?
Jacey Galvez
June 22nd, 2012
2:57 pm
Mitt Romney is Jesus Christ.
“And He will defeat the Beast who has reigned like a tyrant over His kingdom and hardened men’s souls.”
(Book of Mormon, Ch. 4, V. 16)
Tom Middleton
June 22nd, 2012
3:00 pm
Apparently, Jay, all this stuff Romney has put out about how running a business is a prerequisite for becoming a good president for America is pure Mitt hooey.
If what he did best was to ignore what is good for America in order to make his many $millions in personal fortune, then how would we be better off with him for even one term?
I think what would be a far better requirement for that office would be being one of the many thousands of good workers fired by Mitt for profit, especially so your job could go overseas, or being someone knowing many Americans who were!
Tom Middleton
June 22nd, 2012
3:04 pm
“I like being able to fire people who provide services to me.” -Mitt Romney
ODD OWL
June 22nd, 2012
3:14 pm
The Mittens “soft” Romney “Bain Cutthroat Capital” Administration would export jobs overseas and import misery to America…
Moderate Line
June 22nd, 2012
3:32 pm
TaxPayer
June 22nd, 2012
1:04 pm
Moderate Line,
I cannot recall seeing anything on Kyle’s blog on Obama that was not negative. So perhaps the two of them constitue a “fair and balanced” approach, which is more than I can say for one Fairly Unbalanced Fox “News” network. Besides that, if you think Jay’s posts contain dishonest or misleading information, you can always post your proof. He seems quite receptive.
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I cannot recall seeing anything on Kyle’s blog on Obama that was not negative. So perhaps the two of them constitue a “fair and balanced” approach.
Presenting two bias opinions which are opposed to each other may be considered “fair and balanced approach.” but it is not very informative.
Besides that, if you think Jay’s posts contain dishonest or misleading information, you can always post your proof.
I believe that is what I am doing.
Mark in mid-town
June 22nd, 2012
4:01 pm
Jay writes in response to me: “Mark, the situation that you attempt to describe has no relationship whatsoever to reality. You are opining on something that you know absolutely nothing about, and expose only your own ignorance about how the real world works.”
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Are you saying you don’t often regurgitate the talking points sent to you by Democratic Party, Media Matters, or some other George Soros funded group? If that’s whay you’re saying, then why are so many of your blogs almost verbatim the same Democratic Party or Obama talking points being presented by so many other Democratic Party supporting bloggers or opinion writers at that very moment? If you’re not toting the party line out of fear of losing your job if you don’t, then why are you doing it? Is it out of bordom? Or laziness? I’d still put my money on it being fear of being able to remain employed in the msm if you dared try to bite the hand that feeds you as I think you do have talent and aren’t lazy.
Jay
June 22nd, 2012
4:13 pm
“Are you saying you don’t often regurgitate the talking points sent to you by Democratic Party, Media Matters, or some other George Soros funded group? If that’s whay you’re saying, then why are so many of your blogs almost verbatim the same Democratic Party or Obama talking points being presented by so many other Democratic Party supporting bloggers or opinion writers at that very moment?”
That’s exactly what I’m saying. I receive NO talking points from anyone — the very idea is ridiculous. I post my own honest thoughts, and only my own thoughts. Anybody who knows me would confirm how ridiculous that notion is.
However, if you can document your claim that my posts are “almost verbatim” what you see elsewhere, then this is the place to publish that documentation. I issue you a challenge to back up what is probably the most serious charge that you can level against a professional journalist.
Again, if you believe that you have proof of the very serious charge that you level, you are encouraged to post it right here, where everyone can read it. Otherwise ….
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
June 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm
And so we should stick with the community organizer that no one would hire to run a lemonade stand? There is no telling how many jobs Emperor Nero has sent overseas in the last three and one half years, just because of his ineptitude and incompetence.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 22nd, 2012
6:54 pm
Mark in mid-town:
Are you saying you don’t often regurgitate the talking points sent to you by Democratic Party, Media Matters, or some other George Soros funded group?
What makes your statement veer off into the absurd, the borderline paranoid, is the part “the talking points sent to you by…”
As if it were even necessary for talking points to be passed around that way, like from a tv producer to a host.
But that doesn’t mean that the process doesn’t operate in a similar manner nonetheless. Talking points largely amount to a combination of the issues of the day that arise by necessity and those that are pushed by one side or the other to direct the conversation in the desired way.
If you’re really concerned about talking points being “fed” to the mouths of puppet underlings, there’s no one who does it better than FOX’s Roger Ailes. And if you think he’s vastly outgunned by some ‘liberal’ mainstream media, that just shows how uninformed you really are – but then, that’s about what we expect from FOX partisans.
Mighty Righty
June 22nd, 2012
8:29 pm
The other side of Obama’s success at creating jobs.
Although Barack Obama and other Democrats touted the $787 billion stimulus package as a way to create green jobs that would put Americans back to work, new reports show the spending package has mostly created green jobs for foreign workers.
U.S. Department of Energy statistics show 79 percent of the $2.1 billion in stimulus money allocated for wind energy has been paid to foreign manufacturers.
The Spanish company Iberdrola has received $443 million; the Portuguese company EDP has received $229 million; and the British company Terra Firma, which bought a large wind farm in western Pennsylvania, received $42 million.
Analysts worry the stimulus funds will also help create manufacturing jobs in China, and a Texas consortium’s plans to build a wind farm that primarily will rely on Chinese-made turbines using $450 million in stimulus money underscores this fear
A report from the Investigative Reporting Workshop at American University found 80 percent of the stimulus money had created 6,000 jobs, and only a small percentage of those jobs went to American workers.
Only two American companies ̶ General Electric Energy and Clipper Wind ̶ are major wind turbine manufacturers, and the American Wind Energy Associations has said the United States saw a drop in the number of wind turbine manufacturing jobs last year.
Mark in mid-town
June 22nd, 2012
10:16 pm
Jay, when I used the term “almost verbatim”, I didn’t mean you presented the exact same words in a plagiaristic way which seems to be how you took what I wrote. What I meant was that you often present close to the exact same theme and spin of the Democratic Party and/or Obama talking points that are presented elsewhere in liberal msm and on left-wing blogs at that same moment in time .
I apologize for not making that clear. You’re too clever and careful to use the exact same words. But toe the party line regarding spin you do often. And when you do this, I think you’re operating as a shameless hack, not as bad as shameless a hack such as Eugene Robinson, but shameless nonetheless.
I didn’t for a second think your earlier post regarding fast and Furious is what you truly think of the issue. I think you did back-flips in order to spin Fast and Furious so as to protect Obama and that you would have wrote something entirely different had the current president been Bush and the circumstances been exactly the same.
Back in 2005 when George Bush was president, you had written : “Republicans in Congress have been equally accommodating to the president. They have deferred repeatedly to White House claims of executive privilege and have abandoned even the pretense of oversight over the executive branch.” Now that we have a Democratic president, you have a different view. That’s why I call you a shameless hack.
Proud to be me
June 22nd, 2012
11:04 pm
And, just what did GE do (the BIG contributor to Obama) . . . send jobs overseas and to China!!! Duh!
Jay
June 22nd, 2012
11:13 pm
I didn’t for a second think your earlier post regarding fast and Furious is what you truly think of the issue. I think you did back-flips in order to spin Fast and Furious so as to protect Obama and that you would have wrote something entirely different had the current president been Bush and the circumstances been exactly the same.
Then you think incorrectly.
In addition, it takes an extraordinary degree of arrogance to believe that others could not possibly hold honest opinions so contrary to your own, that they must somehow be instructed or ordered to express such beliefs. From another source, I might even be offended by it.
In this case, it’s no longer worth my time.
Proud to be me
June 22nd, 2012
11:15 pm
The President is MIA!!! Oh, No!!! He’s just playing another game of golf and at another rich liberal fund raiser! Yes, FYI, there are “rich” liberals, you know! Liberals remind me of the Pied Piper . . . leading all the rats off a cliff except they are leading all the so called “poor” off a cliff. There’s the truly poor and then there’s the so called “poor” . . . you know the ones with big screen tvs, cell phones, nice cars, ipods, the latest tech gadgets. You see them at the airport going to visit their relatives and going to Disney Land.
Proud to be me
June 23rd, 2012
7:44 am
The story of why Bush was so bad at the end of his term.
Don’t just skim over this, it’s not very long, read it slowly and let it sink in. If in doubt, check it out!!!
The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually January 3rd 2007 the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress.
The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.
For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is “Bush’s Fault”, think about this:
January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress. At the time:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush’s Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH
Remember the day…
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.
The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?
BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!
Unemployment… to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES!
Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie – starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.
And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA
And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?
OBAMA and the Democrat Congress
So when someone tries to blame Bush..
REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007…. THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!”
Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party.
Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 &2011.
In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.
For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.
And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.
If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.
If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.
There is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!
Mark in mid-town
June 23rd, 2012
9:27 am
Jay, I have no problem with you holding an opinion contrary to my own. Again, the problem I have is that I think you seldom ever divert from the party line which means I think you too often operate as a hack. I didn’t have to wonder about what you would write about Fast and Furious. The only thing in doubt was whether you would take it on or decide to just ignore it as is the case so often when there is damaging news regarding Obama. For all intents and purposes, I knew what you would write before hand. I’ve been reading you for years so I feel pretty confident in saying that you would have spun fast and Furious completely different if Bush was the White House.
If your claim is that you would expressed the exact same opinion, then please show an example of something over the years with regard to national politics where you have ever done such a thing. My goodness, back in May you signed on to the incredible sleight of hand being presented by Rex Nutting that federal spending under Obama was rising at the lowest rate since Dwight Eisenhower.
That claim has been so thoroughly discredited and debunked, yet the headline of your post was “News flash! Obama most frugal president since Ike”. Good grief! If that’s not party-line spin worthy of Pravda in the old Soviet Union, I don’t know what is.
Credit to Glen Kessler in the Washington Post for putting the lie to that spin. It would have been nice Mr. Bookman if you had done so yourself, rather than sign onto that nonsense as if on command:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-facts-about-the-growth-of-spending-under-obama/2012/05/24/gJQAIJh6nU_blog.html
Welcome to the Occupation
June 23rd, 2012
9:53 am
Ah I love it. The Washington Post gets cited to shoot down the Obama smallest spender in 60 yrs meme. The “librul” media to the rescue – for the conservative argument! Hmm, interesting.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 23rd, 2012
10:05 am
The bottom line, Mark in mid-town, is that Jay is right. You don’t have the slightest idea what you’re talking about.
The fact is that we did not have a “spending problem” in this country until the housing market and financial crisis in 2007-8. It’s the collapse that occurred at that time that has given us a BUDGET problem – not a SPENDING problem.
Even spending vast amounts on foreign wars, a hugely wasteful prescription drug giveaway to major insurers and drug companies, and huge tax breaks for top income levels and corporations, our budget deficits pre-crisis were still perfectly manageable into the indefinite future.
If you want to claim now that we are spending at wildly unsustainable levels, you have to address how to return the economic outputs to something like the pre-crash levels to have a rational conversation. Otherwise, you’re just engaging and scaremongering, which means you’re either ignorant and are being used for a tool by the ideological interests who are advancing these ideas or you are arguing in bad faith.
Mark in mid-town
June 23rd, 2012
11:16 am
To Welcome to the Occupation — At no time did I express an opinion as to whether I supported additional government spending or opposed it, or whether we had a spending problem or did not. That’s a different question as to the claim that Obama has been the most frugal president since Ike. It’s beyond a joke and it’s shameless hack spin to claim that Obama is the most frugal president since Ike. He isn’t. Not even remotely close.
As for my own beliefs. I think that neither most Republicans nor most Democrats nor most msm and non-msm opinion writers have a clue as to what the true federal tax rate is. The true federal tax rate is not the percentage of money people directly pay in taxes. That’s just a line-item book-keeping entry that has no context. To simplify, the true federal tax rate is the sum of the following 2 things:
1) the percentage of GDP the federal government spends
2) the percentage of GDP that those in the private sector additionally spend in adhering to federal regulations and rules.
The sum of those 2 things will yield a far higher percentage number than the actual money people directly pay to the federal government in taxes. Let’s say that the sum of those 2 things is 35% That 35% amount can hold true whether the government decides to officially collect 25% of income in taxes, or whether the federal government just decides to collect 5% in direct taxes. In other words, the amount of money the federal government collects in taxes is really irrelevant to what the true federal tax rate is. Because at the end of the day, what matters is the percent of productivity that’s absorbed by the federal government. That’s the true federal tax rate. And so few get that.
As for my views on government spending. I support a massive amount of additional government spending on infrastructure as I don’t think there is a private sector alternative for doing that. Private sector alternatives involve very expensive tolls and transit fares and I think such expensive tolls and fares are counter-productive as they motivate people to stay home rather than engage in economic activities which create jobs and grow the economy. Thus, I support the upcoming T-SPLOST because even though I think the local government will administer that in a largely inefficient and incompetent way, that there is still no viable private sector alternative and to do nothing would be far worse.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 23rd, 2012
12:00 pm
Mark in Mid-town:
Well, I commend you for acknowledging that there are efforts for which there is no private alternative to government support — which in today’s environment effectively means you qualify as a wild-eyed commie. (Welcome to the cause, comrade!)
But the whole opposition between “tax and spend” liberal versus thrifty anti-government spending conservatives is a complete fraud of course. It’s a matter of the varying emphasis in where the two sides actually want that spending to go. And even there, the line between the two sides becomes more and more blurred — a trend that historians in the future will note accelerated under Obama, no matter what FOX News or right wing propaganda claims to the contrary.
Which is what puzzles me about your argument about the additional burden placed on the private sphere through taxation. You realize the corporate class now – esp since Citizens United – effectively has both hands on the levers of our legislative branch, and probably executive too? Subsidized sectors effectively have their subsidies greenlighted over public opposition without so much as a brief pause to consider bowing to public opinion. True, the private sector has to contend with regulations, but they generally benefit from the “services” they get from the government – courts, patent enforcement, whatever. So regulations are hardly a one-way, all-cost and no-benefit street. They didn’t purchase this government just to see their investments go completely unrewarded after all.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 23rd, 2012
12:50 pm
And now, coming along as though tailor-made to make my above point (12:00), there’s this:
http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Senate-OKs-huge-farm-bill-puts-House-GOP-on-spot-3654219.php
Senate OKs huge farm bill, puts House GOP on spot
Washington – The Senate’s passage Thursday of a nearly $1 trillion farm bill with bipartisan support presented House Republicans and their antideficit Tea Party faction with a huge spending bill that subsidizes large corn and other commodity farmers while spending record sums on food stamps.
Yes, these Republicans obviously care very very much about “government spending”.