A musical soundtrack to a spiritual journey

Maybe the best part of Friday night’s Travelin’ Music segment — even better than the music itself — is the insight it has offered into nonpolitical aspects of many of those who post here regularly. It has served as a necessary reminder that humanity transcends politics, no matter how fervently that political opinion might be expressed.

Take, for example, tonight’s guest posting from that lover of all things platinum and black, our provocateur du droit and skeptic by way of Harvey Mudd, Le Bruno:

“Part of being human means experiencing hunger. Every day, we hunger for food, which we can easily alleviate with a nice meal. Spiritual hunger is a little more complex and not so easily satisfied. Though many seem to find spiritual comfort in traditional organized religions, that has never been the case for me. While most promote faith, I advocate skepticism. While others seek certainty, I embrace uncertainty.

The closest I come to spiritual peace is while listening to music. Certain artists and albums seem to take me to a higher plane, where it all makes sense — at least for a while. At the top of that list is Santana, whose 1972 effort, Caravanserai, remains near and dear to me and many others. The album was a sharp departure from his earlier work and marked the end of Neil Schon’s and Gregg Rolie’s time with the band. Though it wasn’t a huge commercial success, it was an artistic achievement of major proportions.

While every song is fantastic, from “Song of the Wind” to “All the Love of the Universe” to “Every Step of the Way,” I have selected “Waves Within” as my special song to represent my never-ending spiritual journey.”

– Jay Bookman

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stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2012
3:53 pm

ooh. deep, man.

hiram

June 22nd, 2012
3:54 pm

It’s all relative…

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2012
3:57 pm

Mahavishnuistic.

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2012
4:00 pm

Anyway, here’s one I’ve always considered spiritual, from a little more recently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjj3ornZ3tI

gotta head “out of the blackness, into the great big sky,” myself.

Be good, y’all.

Peter

June 22nd, 2012
4:01 pm

Santa what a great show !

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
4:02 pm

Bruno

Great pick. Carlos is a special artist……… No doubt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACdwCIld3kE&feature=related

martin the calvinist

June 22nd, 2012
4:02 pm

good one Jay! never heard it before, that was good!

here’s mine, a journey on a blue raft…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L7-blg2ctg

josef

June 22nd, 2012
4:04 pm

BRUNO

Back atcha in the same vein, mine…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgkk0Hdwmo8

ByteMe - Political thug

June 22nd, 2012
4:04 pm

It just sound spiritual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psUS20Zy91o

:)

Duelin’ sitars?

Ol' Timer

June 22nd, 2012
4:05 pm

I’m waiting for a little Sinatra. And, I’ll probably be waiting a long time. He’s not nearly as intellectual. . . but then, neither am I.

hiram

June 22nd, 2012
4:06 pm

DevilDogOz

June 22nd, 2012
4:06 pm

Wow, I am really starting to enjoy Jay the music lover… he’s so much more palatable than Jay the bedwetter!

martin the calvinist

June 22nd, 2012
4:07 pm

here’s another one, just a tad heavier……sometimes I feel pulled under….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKhfkfnbAMQ

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2012
4:08 pm

That adults who are more or less mature can actually believe in such concepts as “spiritual” and “holy” is totally beyond me.

They are the adult equivilant of children who believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy.

ByteMe - Political thug

June 22nd, 2012
4:10 pm

I’m waiting for a little Sinatra

here’s two little Sinatras: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqWZoL_luxo

Thank me later :)

Soothsayer

June 22nd, 2012
4:10 pm

On one of the coldest days last winter, I went outside and filled a mason jar with cold air. I’ve been keeping it in the freezer so that I could open it on a really hot day. Today, I opened it. It’s so much cooler in here now!

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
4:11 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od9FkRvvnrg

carlos: downstairs my friend

If you are not inclined to enjoy the tunes each Friday, is it so bad that others would like to do so, regardless of your thoughts on the issue?

martin the calvinist

June 22nd, 2012
4:12 pm

Carlosgvv, dude, in the nicest sense possible, lighten up a little…….

ByteMe - Political thug

June 22nd, 2012
4:12 pm

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
4:13 pm

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
4:14 pm

Rock on, brothers Jay and Bruno.

Woodstock and especially the awesome Abraxas really changed things for me. Up until then, I had no real idea that people other than Yanks and blokes were playing rock music.

And watching Carlos have the guts to come forward about the demons that haunted him from his childhood and use that to create those two spectacular records late in his career was just another glorious chapter in his life’s story.

But the kicker for me may have watching him accept the Beacon of Change Award during the MLB Civil Rights Game at Turner Field and speaking out about injustice in front of all those people last year. It just cemented his hero status for me…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_vJBz2_LtE

Native Atlantan

June 22nd, 2012
4:14 pm

Ahhhhh….josef, one of my all time favorites…..

larry

June 22nd, 2012
4:15 pm

As i have said before , this is the only Rush I’ll listen too……..

New Rush at that……..:-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bkt51J7VNo&feature=related

Williebkind

June 22nd, 2012
4:15 pm

Have a great weekend y’all!

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
4:16 pm

Carlos: Do try and have a good weekend. Relax and enjoy the world a little. Yes it can be cruel and harsh at times, but there are lot of great things about this world and many of the people in it. It beats the alternative…….. Peace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqBsqlqZuto&feature=related

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2012
4:20 pm

They

First you say my posts somehow interfere with your enjoying the music links shown here.

Then you tell me our world contains both god and bad.

I’m trying to understand just WHAT this has to do with my observations.

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
4:21 pm

larry: back at you

Old Rush

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/r/rush/finding+my+way_20120056.html

I haven’t checked out the new stuff

josef

June 22nd, 2012
4:22 pm

And, right on time, there’s the ever miserable Carlos…left you a note downstairs…get help, Mec! In the meantime… :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBIaZ9aTWco

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
4:23 pm

carlos

Just relax a little. This Friday “turd in the punch bowl” act is for what?

Peace

josef

June 22nd, 2012
4:24 pm

Byte me…sitars! Fantastic

Hiram…great one on “”The Weight!”

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
4:29 pm

josef

June 22nd, 2012
4:34 pm

BOTH
@ 4:11

One of my “happy” songs… love it…

Matti

June 22nd, 2012
4:34 pm

Nice choice, Mr. Bookman!

Bruno,

Nice essay and song. Santana certainly translates the passions of the soul into sound worth recording and listening to, again and again.

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
4:39 pm

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2012
4:39 pm

they – 4:23

This is not an “act”. Do you really think life will just go away because it’s Friday? If so, I can only wonder how you’ve made it this far.

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
4:40 pm

One of the first times that I ever heard a conguero…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AugqAF2mUqA

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
4:41 pm

Wow. Thanks for the honor, Jay. I hereby (temporarily) take back all the mean things I have said about you. Still working, so catch you guys later.

P.S. to the gang–We have to pass the measly 102 postings Redneck Convert attracted last week, so keep up the good work with the cool songs. ;-)

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
4:42 pm

Nice essay and song. Santana certainly translates the passions of the soul into sound worth recording and listening to, again and again.

Awww, shucks, Matti. Your compliment means more to me than Jay’s.

See you guys in a little while.

Peadawg

June 22nd, 2012
4:43 pm

Aaaaaaaahh yes anything Santana is a great choice. I can listen to his guitar all day long.

josef

June 22nd, 2012
4:47 pm

BRUNO

You already know what I think… :-)

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
4:48 pm

carlos: damn, just damn I say

At 42 I do ok for myself. Have a great family, some great friends, an intelligent and hot gf who loves me as well as numerous personal and professional acquaintances.

I have given you all the attention you deserve today and hence forth.

You are where you are at, because you chose to be. Many have chosen not to wallow in misery regardless of the situations they have faced in life

Wish you the best. And I do mean that

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
4:48 pm

That live, updated version of Samba Pa Ti was wonderful.

But the original one has always hit me right where it counts – in the heart…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXon4KB2cvQ&feature=related

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
4:51 pm

josef

June 22nd, 2012
4:54 pm

CARLOS

“This is not an “act”. Do you really think life will just go away because it’s Friday? If so, I can only wonder how you’ve made it this far.”

Okay, I’ll take your word for it. (The rest of y’all forgive me here, but I do hear a cry for help here…)

Yes, I do think it will go away for a fleeting moment in time and that IS how I’ve made it this far. You don’t have to feel guilty if you have some pleasure. G-d’s not gonna get you, Bro, I promise…and neither is the Boogie Man…

Now, we can take this up later in another place at another time…meanwhile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_g3kkGH8Mo

(and Bruno, you’re right, but a show tune is in order…no muppets for Carlos yet! :-) )

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
4:58 pm

josef @ 4:54

Thanks for post. I wasn’t able to express it has thoughtfully as you did

Thanks again

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
5:00 pm

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
5:03 pm

With all of the love for the “contributors” over the last few weeks, I may just have to break down and offer something for the maestro’s approval one of these days!

And though I’m gonna run through some more monster Santana for awhile, today is the birthday of my musical muse, so be prepared for a boatload of righteous music from him later!

From the fantastic Inner Secrets LP…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTGuTkbY7As

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 22nd, 2012
5:06 pm

Well, I don’t mean to pull a Carlos here, but if that’s the kind of music that gives Bruno peace, all I got to say is, it’s no wonder the boy is so screwed up and cranky. At first I thought it was a bunch of people tuning up to play.

Anyhow, I finished my check-in and now I’m fixing to go to Billy Bob’s. But before I do I thought I’d leave you all with some music that will be spiritual to everybody, even if you’re a atheist or if you just think there might could be somebody in charge of everything but you’re not sure. And don’t worry, old Conway already has them tuned up good and you won’t need to listen to a bunch of drum sounds or some strings whining. Have a good weekend everybody and enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHUmda0-wUQ

josef

June 22nd, 2012
5:09 pm

BRUNO

How could I not possibly put this one up for y’all…you lucky devil, you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaKnRUfh_5I

ld

June 22nd, 2012
5:13 pm

Redneck Convert (5:06pm) is right: Conway knows how to sing — even to the “soul” of a non-believer. His “The Rose” is also a favorite of mine.

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
5:13 pm

josef

I avoided that one, but glad you played it

;-)

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
5:15 pm

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
5:16 pm

The first time I saw Carlos Santana was in 1974 with the Mahavishnu Orchestra…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DDwvSTrpj0&feature=related

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
5:18 pm

Matti

June 22nd, 2012
5:19 pm

carlosgvv,

I hear ya, man. I do! But Jenny has some advice for how to deal with Fridays:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGICoNYu2zQ

skipper

June 22nd, 2012
5:20 pm

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
5:23 pm

In my lousy Spanish:

Hear how it goes
My rhythm
It feels good to me
Mulatta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NsJ84YV1oA&feature=related

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
5:23 pm

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
5:29 pm

Paul

June 22nd, 2012
5:29 pm

Well, I learned something this evening. Never, occurred to me most of the selections posted thus far would be considered spiritual or engender such feelings in listeners. So my horizon’s been broadened. Thanks, all.

So in the spirit of modern music, this is one I go to (Bruno, I trust you’ll appreciate the visuals of all those atoms and molecules and quarks and such aggregating as they do)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiFTXckh0zU

oh, and carlos? from my perspective you’re every bit as dogmatic as the most fervent fundamentalist of any faith. You are the yin to their yang. Just as you cannot understand those who accept there is more than what we can perceive with our five senses, some of us are amazed others would be so willingly limited. But if it works for you, that’s fine.

But the constant condescension gets old.

So chill to the music.

ld

June 22nd, 2012
5:32 pm

Terry Jack “Seasons in the Sun”
Jim Croce “Time in a Bottle”
Johnny Mathis: “Elusive Butterfly of Love”

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
5:34 pm

Paul

I’m agnostic and it gets old, so I could just imagine

:-)

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
5:35 pm

godless heathen

June 22nd, 2012
5:36 pm

Good choice Bruno. Saw Carlos at the 96 Olympics.

This is spiritual. Let’s Party!

http://youtu.be/p1tCiq8bZ74

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
5:39 pm

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
5:46 pm

For PB who is beautiful both inside and out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b2vX4kUkFM

josef

June 22nd, 2012
5:48 pm

MATTI

Great choice…

HEATHEN…
That show is about the funniest movie and tv series I’ve ever seen…I just wish they could’ve kept it going… :-)

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
5:49 pm

Hear how it goes
My rhythm
It feels good to me
Mulatta

Jam–Read an interpretation of those lyrics once in which it was theorized that “Mulatto” referred to the fusion of rock and jazz. Sounds good to me.

Thanks for all the great selections so far, guys.

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
5:52 pm

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
5:53 pm

TBS @ 5:35–I believe Joe B is coming to Columbus this November.

Paul

June 22nd, 2012
5:53 pm

BOTH suck

I’m the type that, tell me your thoughts on a subject like that once. I get the concept and understand the viewpoint. Unless there’s further questions to ask and answer to foster understanding, that’s all that’s necessary. But to continue on in such a ‘I’m right and you’re stupid…” I just feel sorry for that attitude.

Anyhow, here’s another more modern piece I like – the music and the feelings. I’m thinking of having it played at my funeral. Heck, I’ve thought about having Strauss waltzes played, too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTle8P9eGOw

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
5:56 pm

Bruno

Really? I will have to check into it. Great show, home town……….. might be a party

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2012
5:56 pm

Paul – 5:29

Why would I accept there is more than we can perceive with our five senses? Our five senses are all we have to perceive with in the first place. I am amazed you can so easily slide into superstition and throw all your 21st century learning out the window.

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
5:56 pm

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
5:59 pm

Bruno

He damn sure is. 11/30 and it is a Friday night. I’m going to have to look into that. He is phenomenal.

Paul

June 22nd, 2012
5:59 pm

carlos

I’m not in the mood for an argument. I’ve listened to your points, I’ve made mine. You’ve added nothing new.

I never thought those comfortable with their beliefs need to try so hard to convince others how right they are.

There’s music to listen to.

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2012
5:59 pm

Matti- 5:19

You’re the only one here who seems to have both feet on the ground. I admit there’s wisdom in those words. I must admit some of that wisdom eluces me at present. The best I can do is try to just take one day at the time. It’s easier said than done.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 22nd, 2012
6:00 pm

Josef, THANK YOU for the Neil Diamond!

Paul

June 22nd, 2012
6:01 pm

BOTH suck

When I was a kid I walked into my dad’s office and saw Janis Joplin and Jim Croce cassettes. I was shocked and asked dad whose are they and he just smiled and said “oh, I like to listen to them.”

Every generation thinks it owns the ‘good’ music, eh?

pogo

June 22nd, 2012
6:06 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDkCiUhHCc&feature=related

A tribute to Obama’s new LBRB member, Richard Griffin. Obama is as corrupt as they get. And Griffin is going to continue to be paid by his Union while serving the US citizens. Think he will be impartial?

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
6:06 pm

Paul @ 6:01

You know it, but at 42 for my taste, I am big into the 60s and 70s whether it is Rock, R&B, Country, jazz………. Of course I love other eras as well as other types of music.

Check out the Black Country Communion videos I put up. Out of today’s bands that is my fav Rock band. The guitarist Joe Bonamassa also has his own band outside of BCC. He is one great guitarist.

I’ve played posted this one before

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRxqYoZiYPU

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
6:07 pm

Paul,

A spectacular soundtrack from a spectacular film…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHvKviaeulg

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
6:07 pm

pogo

Downstairs with the turds: just tunes man, just tunes

It is going to be ok

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
6:09 pm

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
6:10 pm

What a tribute to ZZ Top….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF8rfPR2og0&feature=related

Everyone have a great and safe weekend…….

I’m out

Peace

josef

June 22nd, 2012
6:11 pm

CARLOS

You want your misery? Hey, Orff’s got your misery!

(PB just a guess, but I’m dedicating this one to Carlos from you,,,if that’s all right! Raining on your man’s parade in any such a fashion!) :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD3VsesSBsw&feature=related

pogo

June 22nd, 2012
6:13 pm

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gay-activists-visiting-white-house-take-photos-of-themselves-flipping-off-reagan-portrait/

Classy! This type behaviour shouldn’t be acceptable to any group when they are in our the people of this nations Whitehouse. I understand that the actions of a few don’t represent the many but man, this looks bad. And it is getting viral now. What in the hell were they thinking?

Paul

June 22nd, 2012
6:14 pm

BOTH suck

I enjoyed that the first time you posted it. The talent of those guys is amazing. Then again, they’ve worked at it for many years.

JamVet

I can honestly say that’s one film I remembered the music long after I’d forgotten much of the story. But you just reminded me where I’d seen President Roslin from Battlestar Galactica, who also played the president’s wife on Independence Day the first time.

I’ll have to make a copy of that to pop in the player when I’m rolling across South Dakota and Wyoming in a few weeks.

godless heathen

June 22nd, 2012
6:14 pm

We had some religious discussions this week, but this wasn’t resolved.

http://youtu.be/tmvjk5Lnmf0

Paul

June 22nd, 2012
6:16 pm

josef

There you go with that Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse music!

godless heathen

June 22nd, 2012
6:18 pm

Both: Never heard of that artist in your 6:10, but that’s a great rendition. Thanks!

They BOTH suck

June 22nd, 2012
6:20 pm

godless

Joe Bonamassa

Check him out on youtube

He can flat out play

later

josef

June 22nd, 2012
6:21 pm

ZamVet

How many times have you seen Dances with Salmon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwcJaUaVfR0

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 22nd, 2012
6:23 pm

Josef@4:22, that is one of the funniest videos I have ever seen!

josef

June 22nd, 2012
6:24 pm

POGO

I left that downstairs, you can, too…

Matti

June 22nd, 2012
6:27 pm

carlosgvv,

Thank you so much! That’s very kind of you to say. I like that some eyes are rolling right now on your assertion. Haha! Look, I don’t know what I believe anymore. I’ve resigned myself to the limitations of human comprehension, and accept that there is much I cannot know. Nobody really knows.

That being said, I never try to tear down somebody’s faith because (like hope) that might be ALL they have left! Do you really want to take away the LAST thread with which a person is hanging on? We never know what troubles lurk behind a mask. I know I was a happier person when I believed that some great sky father was looking out for me, cared about my sorrows, and would deliver light… eventually…. through the darkness. I should send a Thanks-a-Heap note to those who so voraciously convinced me that… nobody’s listening, and nobody cares.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auTwQcuYzdk

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2012
6:28 pm

Paul – 5:59

Seems you’re trying rather hard to convince me how wrong my beliefs are.

Paul

June 22nd, 2012
6:29 pm

josef

From the Four Horsemen to the Dancin’ Salmon? I like the connection. What’s the source of your inspiration tonight, Enlightened One? Me, I’m betting it’s paisano! But not yet past the halfway mark!

;-)

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2012
6:31 pm

Matti – 6:27

You’re speaking volumes of wisdom. I agree with most of what you say.

I don’t worry about tearing down faith here as those who truly live by blind faith cannot be reached.

josef

June 22nd, 2012
6:32 pm

G-MARE

Glad you liked that @ 4:22….always been one of my favorites and wasn’t that some good images whoever put with it!

AND

I’m glad you and ATLANTA MOM liked the Neil Diamond…that one has been one of my “cosmic om” anthems…my Mom introduced me to it…I hated the book with a mad passion and she had to all but tie me down to get me to listen to Diamond’s work on it…I’m glad she did…

josef

June 22nd, 2012
6:34 pm

Okay, Bruno, Buddy…there’s your 101 and glad to be the one…see? There IS that connection there, eh? :-)

Paul

June 22nd, 2012
6:35 pm

carlosgvv

How ’bout joining pogo? (6:24)

Santana and Michael Jackson

June 22nd, 2012
6:35 pm

josef

June 22nd, 2012
6:36 pm

PAUL

G&T…makes me happy! :-)

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 22nd, 2012
6:38 pm

Godless, the bigger the hair, the closer to god, :)

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
6:38 pm

jonix, my childhood connection to the native people (the Pawnee, the Kiowa, the Comanche, the Arapaho) is through the buffalo, the coyote, the cottonwood trees, the wind, the rocks and yes, apparently (though I never knew it!) the salmon!

Too funny…

Paul

June 22nd, 2012
6:39 pm

wet wiccan

June 22nd, 2012
6:39 pm

Why do we never get an answer
When we’re knocking at the door
With a thousand million questions
About hate and death and war

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP9iOqdxS8c

And when you stop and think about it
You won’t believe it’s true
That all the love you’ve been giving
Has all been meant for you

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
6:41 pm

“But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Corinthians 2:14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdYwRsevX_U&feature=related

Matti

June 22nd, 2012
6:49 pm

carlosgvv,

I am just now reminded, though, that it’s not necessary to try to strip someone’s faith (as you said, there’s no point), when it can be so much FUN to point out what hypocrites they are by claiming to follow a doctrine that demands, love, charity, and humility, while behaving like a hateful, greedy, pompous duck. Heh…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D59ZWa8ehgI

josef

June 22nd, 2012
6:50 pm

Normal, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 22nd, 2012
6:52 pm

When you’re talking Santana, This one really gets to me…We used to dance…when we were younger…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qfpgb62m1A&feature=fvwrel

josef

June 22nd, 2012
6:54 pm

Well, I’ll be…nothing like FNM and great minds…

wiccan

(good to see ya) I had that Moody Blues pulled up and ready to go
\
Scout…
See my 6:50… :-)

Normal, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 22nd, 2012
6:55 pm

josef

June 22nd, 2012
6:59 pm

matti
@ 6:49

There’s your sign…that video is fantastic…love it and thanks for posting…put a smile on my ole sour face…

Normal, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 22nd, 2012
7:05 pm

Normal, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 22nd, 2012
7:07 pm

wet wiccan

June 22nd, 2012
7:08 pm

Hey josef – it’s been a busy week, what with the summer solstice orgy and all (hahahaha). Hope you are enjoying your summer.

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
7:08 pm

Happy 64th, Todd Rundgren.

Your music has brought me infinite happiness and a sense of connectedness with and a deep, abiding love for my fellow travelers…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-ctHzyVDFc&feature=relmfu

wet wiccan

June 22nd, 2012
7:11 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
7:12 pm

josef @ 6:50:

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition !

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
7:12 pm

Brother Normal, that 7:05 is so fine. And it had been WAY too long since I had heard it. Thanks, buddy. You’re the best…

Erwin's cat

June 22nd, 2012
7:16 pm

waves within….great call Jay

eddy

June 22nd, 2012
7:19 pm

Carlos and Matti…one day the answer will be revealed to the two of you as well as to all of us. Is there really a God and a Heaven and a Hell. For those of us who believe the answer is Yes, is your self-esteem in need of such a boost on this blog to ridicule and revile those of us who do believe? Maybe it is just a rhetorical question and the answer is obvious! No one tries to impose his or her values and beliefs upon you but you feel compelled to do so. Too bad we’ll never be able to see the expressions on your faces when you are held in judgment….priceless!!! In the meanwhile, go forth and spew your venom, hate and ridicule.

Paul

June 22nd, 2012
7:20 pm

Pleasant weekend, all -

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
7:20 pm

How can I change the world
When I can’t change myself
Try again tomorrow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v10gEIUcK70&feature=related

Erwin's cat

June 22nd, 2012
7:24 pm

eddy…i don’t believe G-d really cares so much if we are believers or not in as much as how we conduct ourselves when no one is watching….my G-d isn’t driven by ego

godless heathen

June 22nd, 2012
7:25 pm

Levitcus 25:44 – “However, you may purchase male and female slaves from among the nations around you.

Why can’t I have a couple of Canadians?

http://youtu.be/cXfqlOF2_bk

josef

June 22nd, 2012
7:26 pm

BRUNO

Did you catch that “five sense one?” Think maybe Carlos might have made it to 1180? :-)

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
7:27 pm

The time has come to take the bull by the horns
We’ve been so downhearted, we’ve been so forlorn
We get weak and we want to give in
But we still need each other if we want to win

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N3b4f_I6oM&feature=relmfu

josef

June 22nd, 2012
7:28 pm

CAT

Granddaddy always said, “it’s not whether you believe in G-d, but whether G-d believes in you.”

Erwin's cat

June 22nd, 2012
7:30 pm

josef…was all of your “hillbilly” family that brilliant?….seriously you had a rich up bringing

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
7:31 pm

It’s a challenge
Gotta make myself remember
Facing the truth, well, that doesn’t mean surrender
What is bravado and how much is a force of will?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVFoAcbV2MY&feature=relmfu

Spiritual

June 22nd, 2012
7:31 pm

Matti

June 22nd, 2012
7:35 pm

eddy,

I didn’t attack you or your beliefs — only those who claim one thing but practice another. You came here spewing, so if you feel that I included you in what I said, then you put yourself there. Furthermore, your assertion that nobody tries to impose their beliefs on me is a big fat lie. I was at the State Capitol this year, witnessing it for myself. You expressed pride, and revealed that you take pleasure in vengeance. Oh, my my, please go back and read the book of Matthew.

In any case, I FORGIVE YOU. Here’s a song about Heaven:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ3dAco1czQ

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 22nd, 2012
7:41 pm

Josef, went to a Pride show years ago where a guy did Tammy Faye Baker. That was the name of the song. Too funny. Come to think of it, back in the ’60s a lot of us wore that beehive hair – mostly the women, tho. Although, the Afro was in then, too. And have you ever seen early pictures of Bill Clinton?

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
7:43 pm

Howdy again, guys. PB is here. In case any of you were wondering about the origin of her moniker, Platinum Black is a catalyst.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum_black

It is also a small play on “Platinum Blonde”, since she has black hair and considers herself to be an “anti” Dumb Blonde. ;-)

josef

June 22nd, 2012
7:43 pm

CAT

Granddaddy on my Mama’s side was descended from a long line of rabbis going back to Babylon and from that side I got my sense of rootedness in the great scheme of things…on my Dad’s side, “the swamp rats,” I got my love of the pleasures of the flesh in the here and now…couldn’t have asked for more…

And, speaking of Granddaddy, here’s the one that always brings his spirit calling…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDYAqz603TE&feature=related

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
7:44 pm

Spiritual, I just adore that song. I can’t really imagine anyone who doesn’t!

Those early black bands were amazing. Not just because of the obvious musical talent but for the pureness in their hearts when they sang about children and redemption and such things. (And they’re playing at Chastain this coming Wednesday evening!)

For my dear friends, Bruno and Platinum Black…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdsja_Q5cP4

Gordon

June 22nd, 2012
7:45 pm

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2012
4:08 pm
“That adults who are more or less mature can actually believe in such concepts as “spiritual” and “holy” is totally beyond me.

They are the adult equivilant of children who believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy.”

Yes, because you haven’t experienced it, it must not be possible.

godless heathen

June 22nd, 2012
7:45 pm

Jam, Have you seen the show “It Might Get Loud” on CATV?

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
7:45 pm

Spiritual @ 7:31–Awesome choice!! All the elements of the Universe covered!!

For PB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rInQEQ-yUc

PlatinumBlack

June 22nd, 2012
7:49 pm

To my dearest B; how far I would go for you…

http://youtu.be/PN9n1bAahg4

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
7:53 pm

Negative, Houston.

But I like the name!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPslBGjuRL0

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
7:53 pm

our provocateur du droit

I guess better than being “gauche”, eh, Jay??

josef

June 22nd, 2012
7:55 pm

G-MARE
I used to know an impersonator who did Sister Vestal and I mean he was good…no lypsynch, but the real deal accompanying himself on the piano, and he did it with respect, too…he grew up in the church and could he rock a gay bar…still went to church on Sundays…

and hair?

My was waist length, and, if I do say so myself, just made for running your hands through…oh, well, precious memories now! :-)

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
7:56 pm

Since LOVE is the highest form of spiritual fulfillment, y’all have my blessings to turn this into a total love fest. For my one and only:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4aLTQma-rE

P.S. to Jam–Thanks for the dedication, but our love is right here and now, not 10 zillion light years away. ;-)

PlatinumBlack

June 22nd, 2012
8:01 pm

For my baby, B (the only baby I need):

http://youtu.be/ssF65nQAyw4

Erwin's cat

June 22nd, 2012
8:03 pm

B….reminds me of expressions from days gone by…love me now or lose me forever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WohZm1GsAOw

stands for decibels

June 22nd, 2012
8:04 pm

And when you stop and think about it
You won’t believe it’s true
That all the love you’ve been giving
Has all been meant for you

I’ll see your spiritual Moodies, and raise you mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bZrxAtN7gA

(as covered by Fountains of Wayne, but give this version a chance.)

When the final line is over
and it’s certain that the curtain’s gonna fall…

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
8:06 pm

Across the Universe is arguably the greatest Fab Four song ever. Everything about it is just perfect.

They stretched us all and change our minds and worlds forever. In eight short years.

A sweet steady rain in Doraville…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmBAW0s70Os

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
8:08 pm

B….reminds me of expressions from days gone by…love me now or lose me forever

EC–PB said she was blown away that you put Amy Winehouse up. Good show!!

If I didn’t make it clear the other day, you have my highest respect for your Science accomplishments. While the rest of us pontificate from the sidelines, you are out there on the frontier.

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
8:10 pm

A sweet steady rain in Doraville…

Hey Jam–Did you send in a FNM selection for Jay yet?? Let me take a wild guess…….Todd Rundgren.

Was I right??? ;-)

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
8:10 pm

To everyone putting songs up tonight–I promise to open all of them tomorrow. Thanks for the dedications.

josef

June 22nd, 2012
8:11 pm

BRUNO
@ 7:53

:-)

ZamVet

Loved that Collective Soul…nice

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
8:12 pm

waves within….great call Jay

BTW, EC, “Waves Within” was MY selection. Jay isn’t that cool.

(j/k, Jay)

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
8:14 pm

Matti @ 7:35–Awesome choice!!

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
8:14 pm

Four years ago this week, I was at the greatest party on the planet. In Kauai, no less…

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600977_3322710583462_1069977515_n.jpg

Every single song on this LP is great…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqFJJmfWNsg

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
8:17 pm

For anyone here who believes in a Higher Power, or at least likes Johnny Cash:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA9PirNVYP0

wet wiccan

June 22nd, 2012
8:18 pm

stands @ 8:04 – Very nice!

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
8:19 pm

B, LOL.

Nope, you know me, A contrarian. But I wrote earlier that I should, given the love you guys are getting.

And as it is TR’s birthday today, that would have been perfect. (for me!). But…

It’s all good I play what I love and others do the same.

How can that be bad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSOaLugmdSY&feature=related

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
8:19 pm

Erwin's cat

June 22nd, 2012
8:20 pm

Bruno …btw…i have more respect for you doing a DIY diffy q’s…not an easy leap when guided…cheers to you

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
8:23 pm

“But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Corinthians 2:14

Back at ya, Scout:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TziyOcb96q0

wet wiccan

June 22nd, 2012
8:23 pm

Speaking of across the universe… for Bruno, the science guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKHAVAuFcjU

One and Out...

June 22nd, 2012
8:26 pm

Just when you thought the Obama campaign couldn’t get any more desperate, they come up with this: the Obama Event Registry, asking supporters who are getting married, having a birthday, or celebrating an anniversary to direct gift-givers to Obama’s re-election website:

Got a birthday, anniversary, or wedding coming up?

Let your friends know how important this election is to you—register with Obama 2012, and ask for a donation in lieu of a gift. It’s a great way to support the President on your big day. Plus, it’s a gift that we can all appreciate—and goes a lot further than a gravy bowl.

Setting up and sharing your registry page is easy–so get started today.

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2012
8:26 pm

Paul – 6:35

I don’t know what “downstairs” means.

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
8:30 pm

Yes. Monster cover, stands.

I guess that a lot of people think of the Moody Blues as a kind of Beatlesesque, soft pop band, with songs for the thinking man and the head.

But that one proved that they could put down straight ahead, driving rock and roll with anyone.

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2012
8:31 pm

eddy – 7:19

Venom, hate and ridicule is what you compassionate conserative born-again Christians specialize in against all those who don’t subscribe to you narrow, bigoted intolerant dogma.

Normal, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 22nd, 2012
8:32 pm

josef

June 22nd, 2012
8:33 pm

carlos

The previous blog thread…upstairs, downstairs, two floors up, two floors down, etc. It’s when a post might be more appropriate on another thread…

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2012
8:33 pm

eddy

And, if I am really held in judgement and thrown into hell, you picture yourself enjoying every minute of my torment. That says a lot of things about you, none of them good.

Erwin's cat

June 22nd, 2012
8:34 pm

carlos…and unopened book is difficult to read huh?

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2012
8:36 pm

Gordon – 7:45

No doubt, you feel you’ve received God’s grace and I haven’t. If so, then God gives grace to some and witholds its from others. I wonder why you so easily believe in such a whimsical and cruel God?

josef

June 22nd, 2012
8:38 pm

ERWIN

Did you ever watch Babylon 5? If so, do you remember J’Kar and “put your head in the book?”

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2012
8:38 pm

Erwin’s Cat – “an unoponed book is difficult to read”

What is that – a wise old Indian saying”?

Erwin's cat

June 22nd, 2012
8:39 pm

thanks Normal…

Matti

June 22nd, 2012
8:40 pm

Dang, are we still on religion?

Here’s a question about Heaven:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaHwzkk6tOQ
(and will my Garmin get me there?0

PlatinumBlack

June 22nd, 2012
8:40 pm

Used to think him a performer of insubstantial stuff. However, I ran across these lyrics today. Realized that this is actually a profound metaphor for the search for purity, which, in my mind, is part of the search for truth. To see the truth requires a purity of mind, the mind like a mirror that is only able to reflect truth in dependence upon its freedom from impurity.

I don’t post much on the blog because I’m not so much into politics. I realize it i something very important, however, I tend toward internal solutions, which are equally vital. I believe that these difficult times economically come from greed. No matter where people point to blame for these problems, the greed is evident there, always underneath.

I hear Bruno talking all the time about taxes… Requiring a greedy man to pay only causes him to hold his money tighter. In a way, raising taxes to help the unfortunate is like trying to impose generosity. However, generosity is a state of mind, and requiring people to give more is actually counterproductive. I understand that the unfortunate need help, but I would like to see more done to repair the internal causes of our problems…

The B is complaining because I have taken over the pilot seat.

So here’s the song, metaphor for the search for purity, truth, a return to innocence:

http://youtu.be/x9j6DE6RnSk

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2012
8:40 pm

josef – 8:33

Maybe it’s because it’s Friday and the end of another hard week that I don’t understand a word of your post.

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
8:41 pm

wiccan, awesome.

I had a vivid dream as a young boy where I saw images like those. To this day, I’m not quite sure how to explain that.

And it makes me wonder. Out of those countless possibilities out there, are there others who have their Jesus and Buddha and reincarnations?

And guys, I’m not a big rules guy, but really, is it too much to ask that you do this elsewhere?

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
8:43 pm

Requiring a greedy man to pay only causes him to hold his money tighter.

Alright, wedding’s off……. ;-)

Normal, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 22nd, 2012
8:44 pm

Since tomorrow is going to be so hot and I have “God’s work” to do in the yard…I’m gonna be a….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRGA3CPp6hI&feature=related

Erwin's cat

June 22nd, 2012
8:47 pm

carlos…i’m no indian

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
8:47 pm

Skram30082

June 22nd, 2012
8:48 pm

How about some Janice Joplin…

IMO, one of the greatest songs ever…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXV_QjenbDw

Matti

June 22nd, 2012
8:48 pm

Platinum *bleeping* rocks (@8:40!)

Interesting take on that one, PB! Deep. (I luvluvluvluv him!) That song always reminded me that the true love of my youth could some day be paroled and come to collect… (Ack!)

Normal, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 22nd, 2012
8:48 pm

Heaven? If Heaven ain’t like this, I don’t want to go…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2cijNKu9qc

wet wiccan

June 22nd, 2012
8:48 pm

Matti – love those lonely boys. How ’bout this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ZK1DvTBpw

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
8:50 pm

PB and I have to head out to get our next to last training run in. Back in a while. Thanks again for everyone’s participation tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVFhmsku6Lo

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
8:52 pm

Normal, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 22nd, 2012
8:54 pm

Bruno,
Good Gemini…now for a water bearer like myself…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6223XG2r9BA&feature=related

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 22nd, 2012
8:54 pm

Bruno, Johnny Cash. Awesome. Thanks. I have 5 or 6 of his LPs. Remember those?

josef

June 22nd, 2012
8:55 pm

CARLOS

T-SPLOST ballot language misleading = Downstairs

The other side of Romney’s success at Bain = two floors down…

Normal, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 22nd, 2012
8:56 pm

Damn Jam!

I forgot about that one! So cool!

wet wiccan

June 22nd, 2012
8:56 pm

JamVet – Those pictures truly are awesome.

*It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we’ve ever known.*

— Carl Sagan, 1934 to 1996

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
8:57 pm

Wow, Pettitte got lit up like a Xmas tree at Shea in the first. (Screw calling it Citi whatever they call it.)

More great MBs, B…

Erwin's cat

June 22nd, 2012
8:57 pm

cash was punk before punk was punk!

josef

June 22nd, 2012
8:58 pm

Normal, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 22nd, 2012
8:59 pm

My favorite Janis song will always be…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTFF-BaT0MM

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
9:00 pm

wiccan, niiice. I own some of his books. He put a great face on being smart.

I just discovered that I’m an Aquarian Contrarian…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EegRh8Z4H-o

Erwin's cat

June 22nd, 2012
9:02 pm

i know redundant, but still
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqg_ZGcuybs

a perfect song

weetamoe

June 22nd, 2012
9:05 pm

They were called *black and tan* clubs. They did not card, and if you could pay the cover you got in. I saw Ella and Dizzy in Providence; Sarah, Billy Eckstine, and George Shearing in Boston. And I turn on my Mac every morning with James Brown’s *September Song.*

josef

June 22nd, 2012
9:14 pm

godless heathen

June 22nd, 2012
9:15 pm

You can’t get more spiritual than this. One of my favs even if I don’t believe. The lovely Suzanne nails this one.

http://youtu.be/Wp8Vjz4p-j0

Matti

June 22nd, 2012
9:15 pm

Erwin’s cat,

Cash was punk before punk was punk!

And afterward, too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm1U5NN-PfQ

Recon 0311 2533

June 22nd, 2012
9:17 pm

Happy Friday night y’all

Dusty

June 22nd, 2012
9:18 pm

Bruno,

All happiness and best wishes for you, whether in the supernatural clouds or the superficial song. I don’t have a melody for you but I do have a song in my heart that is all yours.. It is for one who heals so many with compassion.

Come over to the “good place” more often!

Recon 0311 2533

June 22nd, 2012
9:25 pm

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 22nd, 2012
9:27 pm

Skram, thanks for Janis – awesome.

josef

June 22nd, 2012
9:28 pm

DUSTY

HEEEEEEYYYYYY!!!!

Recon 0311 2533

June 22nd, 2012
9:33 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
9:39 pm

josef:

I miss Kammie. Really.

Tom Middleton

June 22nd, 2012
9:39 pm

Spiritual is as spiritual does, Jay, and any attempt to move past oneself toward that great never-ending “Kingdom” that some call God, must be built on love of that God or it’s just us loving ourselves in yet another limited form.

Here’s a perfect example of someone able to creatively transcend himself through such love, however briefly, in order to look through the eyes of another and experience his or her pain or reality. It’s called “North Country Blues” by an early Bob Dylan, who went on to take us higher and higher musically as he went himself.

Thank you forever, Mr. Dylan, for you are still the very best there has ever been!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSj0sbHnVfs

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
9:39 pm

Recon 0311 2533:

That one has always been a real tearjerker !

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
9:41 pm

Tom Middleton:

I heard him live at a small theater there in Buckhead about 10 years ago. Outstanding !

Dusty

June 22nd, 2012
9:42 pm

JOSEF

Hiiiiiiiiii, hon, I’m just visiting.. Be good now…..

josef

June 22nd, 2012
9:44 pm

SCOUT

Not to worry, he’ll be back. He has issues from time to time…

josef

June 22nd, 2012
9:44 pm

DUSTY

I’m always good…I just have trouble being nice… :-)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
9:46 pm

Recon 0311 2533

June 22nd, 2012
9:46 pm

0311/8541

Yeah, it sure makes you reflect on your life and most of all on our wonderful Lord.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
9:47 pm

josef:

I pulled his chain last night and he went off on me ………………….. :o (

Recon 0311 2533

June 22nd, 2012
9:48 pm

Where is Betty and Fred?

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 22nd, 2012
9:49 pm

Jam, I’m with you on the contrarian thing. Had not thought of the Fifth Dimension in ages. Thanks.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 22nd, 2012
9:56 pm

0311, I miss Kam, too. So it’s YOUR fault he’s gone? Just damn.

Recon 0311 2533

June 22nd, 2012
10:02 pm

Is Kam a klondike?

josef

June 22nd, 2012
10:06 pm

Okay, going over to ipad now and won’t be able to link so easily and may miss some, but as I was saying earlier, keep the spiritual chin up…the current generation ain’t all that bad when it comes to faith and hope…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-kHleNYIDc

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
10:07 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
10:08 pm

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST) :

No ………… it’s “his” fault because he couldn’t control his emotions …………….. :o

He is unique, very talented but you can’t debate him ……….. he just won’t go there.

Insulates himself from that.

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
10:08 pm

Come over to the “good place” more often!

Hey, Dusty. Thanks so much for stopping by.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
10:10 pm

Verdict in Sandusky trial ! Stay tuned !

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
10:13 pm

Where is Betty and Fred?

Jay, in a moment of smallness banned betty. Not sure about Fred, I think he got his wittle feelings hurt,.

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
10:14 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbc8kX3CRFE

When the white eagle of the North is flying overhead
The browns, reds and golds of autumn lie in the gutter, dead.
Remember then, that summer birds with wings of fire flaying
Came to witness springs new hope, born of leaves decaying.
Just as new life will come from death, love will come at leisure.
Love of love, love of life and giving without measure
Gives in return a wonderous yearn of a promise almost seen.
Live hand-in-hand and together we’ll stand on the threshold of a dream.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
10:15 pm

Recon 0311 2533

June 22nd, 2012
10:15 pm

Bruno,

Didn’t know that …thanks. Betty always seemed harmless to me.

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
10:16 pm

Hoping Brother Mick makes it on tonight.

Recon and Scout–Glad to have you guys on board for my tribute night. I give you a hard time, but you’re part of the fabric here.

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
10:16 pm

Headline above says Sandusky guilty……

bman

June 22nd, 2012
10:20 pm

Kamchak got banned? Oh, I don’t believe that. He’s just hiding from all of you

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
10:22 pm

bman:

Well, let’s put it this way ………….. he had a post pulled and then …………. “poof” !

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
10:24 pm

Bruno:

Thank you sir and I hear you ……………. we have differences but let someone gang up on us and ………… Blamo !

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
10:24 pm

That Talking Heads was sweet.

weetamoe, cool story. You were quite the hipster back when!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHY5l4eaOF8

Recon 0311 2533

June 22nd, 2012
10:24 pm

Sandusky will hopefully spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder in prison.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
10:26 pm

Victims 45 Penn State 0

Game over !

Recon 0311 2533

June 22nd, 2012
10:26 pm

Bruno,

My best to you and P.B.

PlatinumBlack

June 22nd, 2012
10:27 pm

Interesting take on that one, PB! Deep. (I luvluvluvluv him!)

Thanks, Mat.

Always liked this one but kinda spooky… A little reminiscent of Cheshire Cat:
http://youtu.be/BKmldYSDJaM

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
10:28 pm

Recon 0311 2533

“Sandusky will hopefully spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder in prison.”

There should probably be some there with him (including one who recently died) for “misprison of a felony” !!

Penn. State = Perp. State

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
10:31 pm

Bravos up 3 zip at the stretch in Fenway. Nice.

B, I bought all of those MB records in the day. It seemed a pitiful collection not to have them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZT0KTAQ2sw&feature=related

Sid Farcas

June 22nd, 2012
10:31 pm

Well the verdict is in and Sandusky is guilty! As he was leaving the court room he was heard repeating over and over, “it was Bush not me”! Must be an Obama liberal. Right Book Man?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
10:32 pm

Sandusky is GUILTY so will Sports Illustrated please get that photo of Paterno off the “college football section” of their internet website !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m sick of seeing it.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
10:33 pm

Sid:

Don’t do that …………… I’m having trouble breathing !

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 22nd, 2012
10:36 pm

0311, I often would like to “go off” on you myself. I never scroll past HIS posts. He makes me laugh, you not so much. :(

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
10:41 pm

Sandusky will hopefully spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder in prison.

Good opportunity here to demonstrate your faith, Del. Just sayin’

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
10:43 pm

Recon:

There’s 58,000 names on the wall ………. and no one was held to account.

Headline: “U.S. eyes return to some Southeast Asia military bases”

“Amid concerns about China’s growing military power and its claims to disputed territories, Thailand, Vietnam and the Philippines have cautiously put out the welcome mat for the Americans again.”

“In next-door Vietnam, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta this month became the highest-ranking U.S. official to visit the naval and air base at Cam Ranh Bay since the end of the war. Citing the “tremendous potential here,” Panetta enthused about the prospect of U.S. ships again becoming a common sight at the deep-water port.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-seeks-return-to-se-asian-bases/2012/06/22/gJQAKP83vV_story.html?hpid=z2

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
10:44 pm

Jam–Enjoying that “sweet” Rundgren.

Alright, guys, just 46 more posts and we’ll crack page 7, which I think will tie the FNM record.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
10:45 pm

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST) :

Then you sir are more disciplined and that is a virtue to be commended.

Don't Forget

June 22nd, 2012
10:45 pm

Hey Bruno,

Working out of town this week. But you know “if the thunder don’t get ya the lightning will”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbLx24IfR2g

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
10:46 pm

Bruno:

If he truly asks for God’s forgiveness in true repentance ………… God will forgive.

God granting parole however, is another matter.

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
10:48 pm

B, check out Google’s home page and the story about Alan Turing.

What an amazing guy!

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9228397/How_Alan_Turing_set_the_rules_for_computing

Good opportunity here to demonstrate your faith, Del.

I’m not holding my breath. (His god is the angry, vengeful type! Who apparently is fine with bad FNM manners.)

More fantastic, blue eyed Philly soul…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtqF012BZas

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
10:49 pm

Gotta break down and throw out some Phyllis Hyman for PB. Sadly, she took her own life in 1995, silencing a beautiful voice forever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQAu65WLlso

Don't Forget

June 22nd, 2012
10:50 pm

Crap that one cut off before it should have. How bout this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BExP0iZaTI&feature=related

getalife

June 22nd, 2012
10:51 pm

cons screw up everything.

Even the music thread.

This one is for them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRzMtlZjXpU

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
10:51 pm

God granting parole however, is another matter.

I’m with you on that point, Scout. As far as being an armchair hater, however, I can only wonder WWJD??

Recon 0311 2533

June 22nd, 2012
10:52 pm

0311/8541,

Except for a feckless government back then we would still have established basing and a significant presence in the South East Asian region. What may forestall or provoke war is the faltering global economy. It could go either way.

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
10:55 pm

Working out of town this week. But you know “if the thunder don’t get ya the lightning will”.

Hey, DF!!! I was really hoping that you would make it on board for my tribute night. Back at ya with one of my favorite “philosophical songs” by the Dead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erPRivEyjgU

So happy someone finally put the studio version up.

Recon 0311 2533

June 22nd, 2012
10:57 pm

Bruno,

My faith won’t have anything to do with Sandusky’s fate. Doesn’t even deserve saying.

godless heathen

June 22nd, 2012
10:59 pm

“Bravos up 3 zip at the stretch in Fenway. Nice.”

Looked like the old JJ. I hope he’s back to early 2011 form.

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
11:00 pm

B, check out Google’s home page and the story about Alan Turing.

Tragically, he was persecuted for being gay by his home country, even though his hard work in cracking German codes saved countless British lives in WW II.

godless heathen

June 22nd, 2012
11:01 pm

“I can only wonder WWJD??”

What would Jay do?

PlatinumBlack

June 22nd, 2012
11:03 pm

You’ll be given love
You’ll be taken care of
You’ll be given love
You have to trust it

Maybe not from the sources
You have poured yours
Maybe not from the directions
You are staring at

Twist your head around
It’s all around you
All is full of love
All around you

All is full of love
You just ain’t receiving
All is full of love
Your phone is off the hook
All is full of love
Your doors are all shut
All is full of love!

All is full of love
All is full of love
All is full of love
All is full of love
All is full of love

http://youtu.be/wxBO28j3vug

Don't Forget

June 22nd, 2012
11:04 pm

Bruno, yup Crazy Fingers was one of those “reset” songs. Great choice. Busy working but had to chime in.

Gone are the days we stopped to decide
Where we should go
We just ride

Gone are the broken eyes we saw through in dreams
Gone – both dream and lie

Life may be sweeter for this I don’t know
Feels like it might be alright
While Lady Lullaby sings plainly for you
Love still rings true

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 22nd, 2012
11:04 pm

0311, did you not notice that I said I mostly scroll past your posts, ma’am? Buh bye.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
11:06 pm

Bruno:

“As far as being an armchair hater, however, I can only wonder WWJD??”

“Depart from me you workers of iniquity for I never knew you.” Jesus (Matt. 7:23)

Recon 0311 2533

June 22nd, 2012
11:06 pm

I wonder if Sandusky’s homosexual affinity for boys truly went unnoticed by his wife over so many years. Hard to believe it did given the evidence, so shouldn’t she be an accessory?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
11:06 pm

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST) :

Do me a presonal favor ………. keep scrolling and NEVER stop.

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
11:07 pm

I read that. Homophobia is just another form of bullying. He took his own life because of it…

cons screw up everything.

Even the music thread.

Brother getalife, true and LOL!

heathen, we need him to get back to that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg98l6zVj2E

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
11:07 pm

Recon:

“I wonder if Sandusky’s homosexual affinity for boys truly went unnoticed by his wife over so many years. Hard to believe it did given the evidence, so shouldn’t she be an accessory?”

Yes, especially with that adopted step son or whatever. Along with a lot of coaches and other individuals.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
11:08 pm

Recon @ 10:52

Exactly !

godless heathen

June 22nd, 2012
11:10 pm

How about Snoop and Willie together for a take on our fate.

http://youtu.be/1KbKH4A7VFY

PlatinumBlack

June 22nd, 2012
11:18 pm

Depart from me you workers of iniquity for I never knew you.” Jesus (Matt. 7:23)

“Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.” (Ephesians 4:32)

Sometimes it seems you only read half the Bible, Scout.

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
11:18 pm

Oops–That 11:18 was from Bruno. Forgot to change the handle.

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
11:21 pm

Fix your heart on me
I’ll show you what I’ve memorized
Fix your gaze on me
I need to see your eyes [Good God!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhAcXRlgbZs&feature=youtu.be

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
11:22 pm

heathen–Really digging your 11:10.

Help me out, guys. Only 18 more posts to make it to page 7. Hate posts don’t count, though.

Recon 0311 2533

June 22nd, 2012
11:22 pm

The Sandusky case should be a wake up call for true Americans about the dangerous nature of homosexuality preying upon our youth with their degenerative lifestyle.

PlatinumBlack

June 22nd, 2012
11:25 pm

The Willie Nelson sound reminds me of this one from my youth:

http://youtu.be/EivR78mrRFE

PlatinumBlack

June 22nd, 2012
11:29 pm

What me and Bruno got tonight:

http://youtu.be/UHiBhpmGd4E

(Running)

godless heathen

June 22nd, 2012
11:32 pm

That Eric Clapner is a good choice, PB.

PB, I’m puzzled about “my youth”. According to Bruno you are a 19 year old Falcons cheerleader.

j$

June 22nd, 2012
11:32 pm

godless heathen

June 22nd, 2012
11:36 pm

Bruno deserves seven pages.

PlatinumBlack

June 22nd, 2012
11:37 pm

Bruno’s trying to talk me into purchasing a Nissan Juke. Was never a SUV kinda girl, but it’s a compact and has some nice curves.

Tracy Chapman classic:

http://youtu.be/Orv_F2HV4gk

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
11:42 pm

The Sandusky case should be a wake up call for true Americans about the dangerous nature of homosexuality preying upon our youth with their degenerative lifestyle.

So what would change if the victims were young girls instead??

As I stated above, hate posts don’t count. Stop setting me back, Del.

godless heathen

June 22nd, 2012
11:42 pm

I wouldn’t buy anything called “Juke”. Too close to junk. Ford Escape = Ford Mistake Nova, Spanish for No Go. etc.

godless heathen

June 22nd, 2012
11:48 pm

PB: Here’s your car! Bruno knows Quantum Mechanics.

http://youtu.be/oYWkOy4FL3A

The Spirit of Brother Mick

June 22nd, 2012
11:48 pm

Since Mick didn’t make it, I’ll post for him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-Cy4YKrxj4

PlatinumBlack

June 22nd, 2012
11:51 pm

PB, I’m puzzled about “my youth”. According to Bruno you are a 19 year old Falcons cheerleader.

Godless, those be my zygote days.

JamVet

June 22nd, 2012
11:52 pm

Hit me over the head! Spit in my face! Bang on the drum!
I must be blind, I must be blind
Hit me over the head! Step on my feet! Make me feel numb
I must be blind, I must be out of my mind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPi4dOPKBFQ&feature=related

PlatinumBlack

June 22nd, 2012
11:55 pm

Always thought the intro of this Brahms Intermezzo resembled Stairway’s intro:

Brahms:
http://youtu.be/Ce3HxpcL8j8

Zepp:
http://youtu.be/0niLOyhCd5g

PlatinumBlack

June 22nd, 2012
11:57 pm

wouldn’t buy anything called “Juke”. Too close to junk.

Or “joke.” :D

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 22nd, 2012
11:57 pm

Tracy Chapman – nice. Since I don’t know how – yet – to post tunes/videos, could someone please put up some Creedence for me? Thanks.

Bruno

June 22nd, 2012
11:59 pm

JamVet

June 23rd, 2012
12:01 am

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 23rd, 2012
12:01 am

PlatinumBlack :

I think you fail to understand that both verses “can” be true ……………. one is true if repentance is there and the other if it is not.

It’s not that complicated.

“Except you believe in Me, you are dead in your sins.” Jesus

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:02 am

Since I don’t know how – yet – to post tunes/videos

GMare–To post a song:

(1) Open a new tab

(2) Go to youtube.com and find a song you like

(3) Copy the web address at the top of the page and paste it into your blog

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:03 am

I think you fail to understand that both verses “can” be true ……………. one is true if repentance is there and the other if it is not.

That was from me, Scout. Sorry to know that your compassion is conditional…..

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:06 am

Jam–Grooving to the CCR. Great choice for the top of page 7.

Special announcement for Del and Scout:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydfH7iuLR0I

JamVet

June 23rd, 2012
12:07 am

BTW, G that CCR song that I linked was the first song on their eponymous debut LP.

From that same record…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mxaA-bJ35s

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:18 am

j$

June 23rd, 2012
12:22 am

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
12:23 am

Thanks, Bruno, will try that tomorrow. Good job on the tunes tonight. :) Jam, will also try to get help on opening videos that I can’t access on my iPad.
Goodnight all; it’s been (mostly) fun.

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:25 am

Guess I should finish where we started tonight, with Caravanserai:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-4gPH8JJ0I

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:32 am

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:36 am

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:42 am

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:45 am

TBS put it up earlier, but “Song of the Wind” is worth hearing twice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdmevPWZTRg

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:53 am

Only someone as deep as Santana can offer us “All the Love of the Universe”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE4lXZ2dv14

New thoughts
Will purify my mind
and clean my body
New lives
will fall together like an endless story

All the love of the universe
will be shared by all that’s living

And I don’t really care
about tomorrow
Today
is all I really need to find the answers

I’ll find the constant flow
of all the harmony

Everybody needs a helpin’ hand
Everybody needs a helpin’ hand

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:55 am

From the bottom of my tiny, tiny Con heart, thank you again to everyone who made tonight a very special night for Platinum Black and I. Love to all……..

j$

June 23rd, 2012
1:01 am

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2012
7:36 am

mornin’.

Across the Universe is arguably the greatest Fab Four song ever. Everything about it is just perfect.

They stretched us all and change our minds and worlds forever. In eight short years.

JV, I agree that the Beatles were as much of a catalyst as any other group, or person, in our lifetime, to prompt people–who’d otherwise not bother; who’d otherwise likely just sit and stew in their parents’ pews–to consider and seek alternative spiritual paths, even though little of what they sang about was overtly spiritual.

That said, “Across the Universe” is one of those tunes that took me about twenty, thirty years to appreciate. Couldn’t really stand it when I first heard it as a kid, and not just because of Phil Spector’s strings, either.

Now, when I read about what Lennon had been going through when he wrote those words (big fight with Cynthia, is how I’ve heard it told), so much makes sense.

—-

Been meaning to mention, I’ve liked a lot of the theological discussions that’ve been taking place in these threads of late. I haven’t participated much, but I’ve appreciated hearing from folks like Bruno and Scout and some other people with whom I have little in common politically, but who always have something to contribute. I may not always express it as I should, but we ALL have something to contribute, and we ALL owe it to them and to ourselves to at least try to listen.

ommmmm…

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2012
7:42 am

I understand that the unfortunate need help, but I would like to see more done to repair the internal causes of our problems…

I have to say to PB and Bruno–for all the conserva-speak about “personal responsibility” that seems to drive such sentiments, the only solution to try to accomplish what’s been expressed above^^ would be re-education camps.

(Which doesn’t sound very conservative, *or* liberal, *or* decent, to me, nor to y’all either, I’m sure.)

so the reasonable way to accomplish this would be, well, looking at how people behave, and offer them financial incentives and discouragements to behave differently.

You know… taxes?

And I’ll probably go to my grave not fully grasping why so many people have a fundamental ideological problem with that approach. But I’ll keep trying to understand.

gotta run. Later, folks.

Normal, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 23rd, 2012
8:05 am

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
8:09 am

I have to say to PB and Bruno–for all the conserva-speak about “personal responsibility” that seems to drive such sentiments, the only solution to try to accomplish what’s been expressed above^^ would be re-education camps.

sfd–Can’t speak on PB’s behalf, but I think you’re misinterpreting her words. She’s speaking about folks developing an attitude of compassion on their own, not about re-education camps. If it helps you understand a little more, her politics tend to be just a tad to the left of Dennis Kucinich.

Been meaning to mention, I’ve liked a lot of the theological discussions that’ve been taking place in these threads of late. I haven’t participated much, but I’ve appreciated hearing from folks like Bruno and Scout and some other people with whom I have little in common politically, but who always have something to contribute.

Glad to hear you got something out of the discussions. A nice break from all of the political wrangling that is the bread and butter of the Bookman Blog.

Normal, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 23rd, 2012
8:09 am

Whoops,
Picked the wrong’un…Reading ability is in direct proportion with coffee consumption… :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE9nc5iky3E&feature=related

JamVet

June 23rd, 2012
8:24 am

stands, thanks for the great comments at 7:36.

I too have enjoyed them, but leave the heavy lifting/shoveling of the philosophical BS to the experts! (LOL, B!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7tO2sP3AAM

Bud Wiser

June 23rd, 2012
8:32 am

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
8:40 am

Normal@8:05, thank you. That is a great way to start the morning.

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
8:56 am

And as long as this “spiritual thread” is still going, I feel compelled to respond to Scout, Del or anyone else who might be tempted to use the Sandusky verdict as an opportunity to show their backsides.

From Romans 12:

“17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:

“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[e]

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”

I haven’t been the only one on this blog to notice that some of the most vocal “Christians” are often some of the least compassionate people. The bottom line is that we’re all sinners in our own unique ways. Highlighting the sins of others doesn’t make us better people. In fact, it has the opposite effect. The Sandusky trial is over and he’ll spend the rest of his life in jail. As for the victims, they’ll have to heal on their own, in their own way, though I’m sure that the millions they will undoubtedly receive from Penn State, the Second Mile charity and from the Sandusky estate will make life a little easier for them.

Brosephus™

June 23rd, 2012
9:05 am

Missed out on the music yesterday. Great lead off Bruno. I’ll catch up with y’all when I’m feeling better….

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 23rd, 2012
9:20 am

Better late than never

Classic Nina Simone

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V-QY-H2ekZo

USMC

June 23rd, 2012
9:22 am

Great article for the “Global Warming” Extremists to read:

Green ‘drivel:’ The godfather of global warming lowers the boom on climate change hysteria
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/22/green-drivel

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
9:23 am

Sorry you are feeling “puny,” Bro. I’ll hold a good thought for you.

Gordon

June 23rd, 2012
9:25 am

Gordon – 7:45

No doubt, you feel you’ve received God’s grace and I haven’t. If so, then God gives grace to some and witholds its from others. I wonder why you so easily believe in such a whimsical and cruel God?

I don’t easily believe. I’m very left brained, so faith hasn’t come easily to me at all. I’m a doubter by nature. But there’s always been a calling that I can’t explain…

I will tell you this: God tends to reveal himself to those who earnestly seek him.

JamVet

June 23rd, 2012
9:30 am

Lovelock still believes anthropogenic global warming is occurring and that mankind must lower its greenhouse gas emissions…

USMC, you do understand what anthropogenic climate change means, right?

Give a hoot, don’t pollute.

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 23rd, 2012
9:39 am

“Give a hoot, don’t pollute.”

Jamvet holds his Toots apparently

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
9:42 am

Missed out on the music yesterday. Great lead off Bruno. I’ll catch up with y’all when I’m feeling better….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5mKgtC5As0

LOL.

Good stuff

June 23rd, 2012
9:49 am

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
9:59 am

I will tell you this: God tends to reveal himself to those who earnestly seek him.

Gordon–What makes you so sure that it’s God?? IME, self-validation is problematic. Sometimes the Devil comes knocking instead, dressed in the finest of clothes.

I sailed away for fifteen days, it never once got dark
And came upon two large houses set out in a park.

On the door of one was truth, on the other door was lies.
Which one should I enter thru? I really must decide
The door marked lies had lots of flowers growing round outside
But looking close I noticed it was crumbling inside

The door marked truth was very plain, but stood up very strong,
And when I entered thru it’s door I knew I wasn’t wrong.

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 23rd, 2012
10:08 am

Bruno

Science and religion are not necessarily in conflict

Only if you choose to see it that way

carlosgvv

June 23rd, 2012
10:08 am

Gordon – 9:25

I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian Church constantly and earnestly trying to seek Him. All I got from your “God of love” was one brutal body blow after another. I finally realized that either there is no God or, if there is, He, She or It couldn’t possibly care less about what happenes to us in this cruel and hateful world.

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 23rd, 2012
10:11 am

“. I finally realized that either there is no God or, if there is, He, She or It couldn’t possibly care less about what happenes to us in this cruel and hateful world.”

That’s a sad view.

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 23rd, 2012
10:12 am

Carlosgvv

You presume god exists to make our lives all hunky dorey

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
10:23 am

Science and religion are not necessarily in conflict

Never said they were, and have devoted a lot of time toward synthesizing the two approaches into one Greater Truth. Sorry if you missed that. To use either tool to the exclusion of the other leaves out half the story.

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
10:30 am

I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian Church constantly and earnestly trying to seek Him. All I got from your “God of love” was one brutal body blow after another. I finally realized that either there is no God or, if there is, He, She or It couldn’t possibly care less about what happenes to us in this cruel and hateful world.

carlos–I agree with josef that your repeated negative blogs here seem to be a cry for help. If you were unfortunate enough to be the victim of cruel people, that’s sad, and can be hard to overcome. At the same time, it doesn’t invalidate all of the good in the world.

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 23rd, 2012
10:34 am

Bruno 10:23 agreed

carlosgvv

June 23rd, 2012
10:36 am

JM – 10:11 – 10:12

You seem to be saying that, if it’s a sad view, it must not be true. Are you that clueless?

If God doesn’t exist to help us in our lives, then what? To make things as hard as possible?

carlosgvv

June 23rd, 2012
10:37 am

Bruno

Pardon me, but I’m not talking about all the good in the world. I’m talking about the existence of a God who might as well not exist for us at all.

Recon 0311 2533

June 23rd, 2012
10:40 am

Bruno, Bruno, Bruno…This is an opinion blog and that means that I may opine something that you dislike or disagree with or that you may opine something that I may dislike or disagree with. Condescension or holier then thou positions on here don’t serve you well.

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 23rd, 2012
10:48 am

Carlosgvv just MO, but I done think an omnipotent, benevolent, and meddlesome god is required to believe god exists

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
10:48 am

Pardon me, but I’m not talking about all the good in the world. I’m talking about the existence of a God who might as well not exist for us at all.

carlos–There will likely be a never-ending debate back and forth about whether a Supreme Being exists or not, and what form such a Being might take. But, in the end, it doesn’t matter, since the existence of such a Being is unknowable. The greater point is why we even theorize about it in the first place. While you seem content to fill the void of Life’s Big Questions with some sort of existentialist Reductionist Materialism based on what your five senses can perceive, most of us see something bigger and wonder how this purposeful existence came about. As a young man, I rejected the traditional vision presented in church, but I also rejected cold, harsh existentialism.

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 23rd, 2012
10:52 am

Don’t, not done whoops

godless heathen

June 23rd, 2012
10:55 am

USMC, you do understand what anthropogenic climate change means, right?

Sounds like Mr. Lovelock is saying what I have been saying for some time. Calm down.

Lovelock acknowledged, “the problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago.”

Paul

June 23rd, 2012
11:04 am

carlosgvv

“I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian Church constantly and earnestly trying to seek Him. All I got from your “God of love” was one brutal body blow after another. I finally realized that either there is no God or, if there is, He, She or It couldn’t possibly care less about what happenes to us in this cruel and hateful world.”

I grew up in the United States of America, constantly and earnestly trying to find the democratic ideals and rights of mankind it represents. All I got from your America was one brutal body blow after another. I finally realized that either there is no America or democracy or ideals, or, if there is, they couldn’t possibly be real as nobody could care less about what happens to us.

“If God doesn’t exist to help us in our lives, then what? To make things as hard as possible?”

what Jm wrote: “Only if you choose to see it that way”

From your political expressions on conservatives, Republicans, businesses to your religious expressions, you seem to view things in mutually exclusive “this or that” ‘it is or it isn’t” view. Noting in between. No recognition that a cut diamond has many facets.

Extremism limits understanding.

Just for your introspection and reflection.

Which doesn’t happen when, a minute later, the response is ‘oh yeah? Well what about when you…..”

It’s a nice day out and I’m headed out.

Later -

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
11:15 am

Great article for the “Global Warming” Extremists to read:

USMC–I came to all of the same conclusions that Mr. Lovelock did, just using common sense alone. I hope Jay and others read the last section in which he states:

“(2) Lovelock blasted greens for treating global warming like a religion.

“It just so happens that the green religion is now taking over from the Christian religion,” Lovelock observed. “I don’t think people have noticed that, but it’s got all the sort of terms that religions use … The greens use guilt. That just shows how religious greens are. You can’t win people round by saying they are guilty for putting (carbon dioxide) in the air.”

And:

“(4) Finally, about claims “the science is settled” on global warming: “One thing that being a scientist has taught me is that you can never be certain about anything. You never know the truth. You can only approach it and hope to get a bit nearer to it each time. You iterate towards the truth. You don’t know it.”

josef

June 23rd, 2012
11:22 am

CARLOS
If I may be so bold, but I don’t think it’s you don’t believe in/accept/consider that G-d may or may not exist, I think you are probably more of a believer than those of us who call ourselves such. You appear to be firmly convinced that G-d exists and you are mad as hell at H-m. You are as didactic as, say Scout, in your clinging to the Judeo-Christian concept, paradigm and presentation of G-d, what George Carlin called “the Western District Marketing Manager.”

You have allowed that anger to cloud your complete world view, from the response to “good morning, how are you” to the great questions of the raison d’être of the species. The dual nature of what we are constrained by our culture and our language to call «G-d » has been with us since we crawled down out of the trees and began our journey toward the stars. There is no answer, only more questions. You can get mad about it all you want, but that is a personal, emotional response. Or you can join the long human search for order and meaning . Or you can completely ignore the subject.

Arthur Koestler, in “The Ghost in the Machine,” wrote that “the creativity and pathology of the human mind are, after all, two sides of the same medal coined in the evolutionary mint. The first is responsible for the splendour of our cathedrals, the second for the gargoyles that decorate them to remind us that the world is full of monsters, devils, and succubi. It all serves to point out that in its ascent to prominence, something has gone wrong.”

carlosgvv

June 23rd, 2012
11:24 am

Bruno

You are perfectly free to reject cold, hard existentialism. However, this does not invalidate it in any way. Further, by seeking something bigger and looking for a purposeful existence, you give the impression of refusing to accept the truth because it’s just too painful. Unfortunately, the cold, hard facts of life don’t care what your outlook is and, the more you live in denial, the more painful life can be. On the other hand, seeing things as they really are will enable you to a least bear up to the strains of life.

carlosgvv

June 23rd, 2012
11:29 am

josef

If God really exists then I will patiently wait for science to prove it.
Personally, I neither believe or disbelieve. I am an agnostic – maybe there is a God(or Gods), maybe not.

Have you ever stoped to consider that, even is science absolutely proved the existence of God, we would essentially be no better off. Why? Because we would not know WHICH God was real. Would it be the Jewish God, the Christian God, the Islamic God or the Gods of the Hindu religion? Or, would it be an unknown God?

Something to think about.

Brosephus™

June 23rd, 2012
11:39 am

Have you ever stoped to consider that, even is science absolutely proved the existence of God, we would essentially be no better off. Why? Because we would not know WHICH God was real. Would it be the Jewish God, the Christian God, the Islamic God or the Gods of the Hindu religion? Or, would it be an unknown God?

What if they were all one and the same? If you read and study the Christian Bible, you know of the story about the Tower of Babel. Take a step back and observe how all the major religions tend to originate, belong to, or follow a particular language or dialect. If one is to take that into consideration along with the story of the tower, one could surmise that we are possibly all worshipping the same deity but language and cultural barriers keep us from seeing the similarities in all that we believe.

Going to lay back down now. If that ^^^^^ is a tad bit incoherent, blame it on the sinus meds….

Mary Elizabeth

June 23rd, 2012
11:39 am

Spirituality is organic. It does not need, or seek, labels.

josef

June 23rd, 2012
11:49 am

CARLOS
First, I am Maimonidean. I put no more nor no less “faith” in the scientific than the philosophical explanation of the great cosmic om. Both have their time and place and represent the dualistic nature of the human search. The conflict between the two is an artificial and dogmatic “spat” between the shamans of one versus the shamans of the other as to who is “right” and holds the patent on the truth.

It is not now, nor has it ever been, the prerogative or impetus of “science” to “prove or disprove” the “existence” of G-d. Back when you were being taught how to write, you were told that you began with the questions of who, what, when, where and proceeded on to relate those givens and their interactions to how, and why. How belongs to the analytical in terms of mechanics. Why belongs to the analytical in terms of opinion. Sometimes the how and why may cross.

And as for your question of “if” G-d is “revealed” which G-d would it be? What difference would it make? If you can make the move beyond your own particular cultural paradigm, I would posit that it would be the same. And it would probably not make a lot of difference since it hasn’t to date.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 23rd, 2012
11:52 am

Bruno:

Good morning:

“That was from me, Scout. Sorry to know that your compassion is conditional…..”

A couple of points.

1) The multiple verses you quoted are all out of context and have nothing to do with those who engage in criminal activity and the penalty they must pay under the law ………. “Render unto Caesar”.

2) Regarding my “compassion” …………. you don’t know my heart. What I posted was God’s rules for compassion and it “IS” conditional. “Except you believe in Me, you are dead in your sins.”.

3) It’s interesting that you quote scripture all of the time but yet you don’t believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God. Most people don’t quote from something they don’t believe in. As I posted before the Bible says of itself:

I Corinthians 2:14 “The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

You can post scripturre all you want ……. it’s a free country ………. and I hope you continue to do so as reading it will help you toward the truth ………….. but if you are not born again of the Spirit you cannot fully understand or properly interpret it.

Just sayin’.

josef

June 23rd, 2012
11:52 am

BROSEPHUS

Hope you get to feeling better…

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2012
11:53 am

She’s speaking about folks developing an attitude of compassion on their own, not about re-education camps. If it helps you understand a little more, her politics tend to be just a tad to the left of Dennis Kucinich.

Obviously, I’ve misinterpreted her remarks, and I appreciate the correction, Bruno.

And no matter where one’s political ideologies lie, I’m sure we all agree that instilling a sense of empathy among our fellow citizens can’t be an entirely bad thing.

Gordon

June 23rd, 2012
11:55 am

carlosgvv

June 23rd, 2012
10:08 am
Gordon – 9:25

I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian Church constantly and earnestly trying to seek Him. All I got from your “God of love” was one brutal body blow after another. I finally realized that either there is no God or, if there is, He, She or It couldn’t possibly care less about what happenes to us in this cruel and hateful world.

I’m truly sorry for your experience, and I know others that share your view. I might feel the same way with the same experiences you have had, whatever they are. But I wonder if you might be confusing circumstances and faith. Somehow along the way, the two have become entangled. God has never promised favorable circumstances to anyone. Within the context of the physical realm, your view is valid. But in the context of a physical realm that is only a small part of something greater, it is not. There was a time I didn’t believe this, and never thought I would. Then I started to see it differently, and told myself it was only because I wanted it to be so. But eventually the faith overcame the doubt.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 23rd, 2012
11:57 am

carlosgvv :

It is the God of the Bible …………. Yaweh, Yeshua a Messiach …………. Lord God Jehovah fulfulled by the Holy Spirit in Jesus the Christ ………… God’s Holy Trinity.

Now, I don’t ask you to understand that or even comprehend it ………. I can’t ………. it’s like trying to understand “eternity”.

I accept it by FAITH.

“For without faith, it is impossible to please God.” Hebrews 11:6

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 23rd, 2012
11:58 am

josef:

Are you a John Smoltz fan ? He’s broadcasting now.

Gordon

June 23rd, 2012
12:00 pm

“If God really exists then I will patiently wait for science to prove it.”

If there is a God, he is supernatural. That means “outside of nature”, and therefore outside of the scientific realm. In light of this, does it make sense that God, if he exists, could be proven by science? The evidence must be internal, and that is the way God intended.

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:00 pm

Further, by seeking something bigger and looking for a purposeful existence, you give the impression of refusing to accept the truth because it’s just too painful. Unfortunately, the cold, hard facts of life don’t care what your outlook is and, the more you live in denial, the more painful life can be. On the other hand, seeing things as they really are will enable you to a least bear up to the strains of life.

For starters, carlos, it is you who comes to this blog day after day, week after week in a foul mood. If your existentialist leanings were truly helping you to “bear up to the strains of life”, I would think it would show more. Furthermore, my “spiritual” exploration is strictly intellectual in origin, and is based on the fact that I felt that my education at Harvey Mudd College, widely recognized as one of the premier colleges of Math and Science, left some glaring holes in understanding the Big Picture of Existence.

If it helps you understand me better, I came from a very abusive home. But differently from you, I’ve been able to move past it emotionally for the most part, and allow myself to enjoy the good things that life offers.

josef

June 23rd, 2012
12:01 pm

SCOUT

I’m pissed at you right now…I’ll get over it in your case. I don’t want to go into it since I might say some things I would regret later.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 23rd, 2012
12:02 pm

josef:

Or turn into a Kamchack ?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 23rd, 2012
12:05 pm

If any of you are Smoltz fans he has a new book out now about his baseball career, the physical/injury stuggles he went through and his Christian faith. It’s getting great reviews.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/starting-and-closing-john-smoltz/1106580354

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:07 pm

If there is a God, he is supernatural. That means “outside of nature”, and therefore outside of the scientific realm. In light of this, does it make sense that God, if he exists, could be proven by science? The evidence must be internal, and that is the way God intended.

Gordon–carlos continues to cling to the fallacy that Science has the ability to reveal all Truth. And though he likes to represent himself as knowing a lot about Science and the Scientific Method, he has never shown even basic familiarity with anything beyond grade-school topics. Which doesn’t prevent him from expressing a zealotous faith in Science and Scientists that even those at the top of the heap don’t espouse.

Arthur Koestler, in “The Ghost in the Machine,”

josef–I’ll have to look for that one. The title at least mirrors my ideas about what a “spirit” actually is. The non-corporal characteristic of “Spirit” is a major stumbling block for almost anyone who attempts to speak of it, but I believe I’ve come up with a workable definition/understanding.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 23rd, 2012
12:08 pm

Out for awhile ……….. everyone be nice.

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 23rd, 2012
12:11 pm

I know liberals Are religious

They believe in (and supposedly despise) Mammon

:)

josef

June 23rd, 2012
12:14 pm

BROSEPHUS

Have you read any of Koestler? Talk about your EOI!

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 23rd, 2012
12:14 pm

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:14 pm

1) The multiple verses you quoted are all out of context and have nothing to do with those who engage in criminal activity and the penalty they must pay under the law ………. “Render unto Caesar”.

In other words, when YOU quote from the Bible, it’s totally “in context”, but when I do, it’s “out of context”. Got it.

2) Regarding my “compassion” …………. you don’t know my heart. What I posted was God’s rules for compassion and it “IS” conditional. “Except you believe in Me, you are dead in your sins.”

You’re right, I can only go by what you post on the blog, and it’s pretty ugly.

3) It’s interesting that you quote scripture all of the time but yet you don’t believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God. Most people don’t quote from something they don’t believe in.

Again, Scout, in your limited world-view, you believe the Bible is only valid if it’s taken in some literal sense. From my perspective, that only weakens it, since there is no way a rational, mature person can take most of it in any literal way. Form a metaphorical standpoint, however, it’s a great document, just one of many which are “Inspired”.

As I posted before the Bible says of itself: I Corinthians 2:14 “The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

Yet, somehow this doesn’t apply to you as well. Somehow you believe that you are special, and different from me because you are “Saved”. Total BS, Scout.

You can post scripturre all you want ……. it’s a free country ………. and I hope you continue to do so as reading it will help you toward the truth ………….. but if you are not born again of the Spirit you cannot fully understand or properly interpret it.

Et tu, Brute. I can only hope you get psychiatric help for your NPD.

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:17 pm

And in case you missed it, Scout, here’s Romans 12 again:

9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13 Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.

14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[c] Do not be conceited.

17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:

“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[e]

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

This is the essence of Christianity, Scout. Live it.

carlosgvv

June 23rd, 2012
12:19 pm

Brosephus, josef, Gordon, Bruno

Suggesting that it really doesn’t matter which God you believe in is whistling past the graveyard. Judasim, Christianity, Islam and Hinduism all have “sacred” texts which make an exclusive claim to infallibility.
Each of these texts urges its readers to adopt a variety of beliefs and practices. There is much disagreement in these texts as how God or the Gods should be served. However, they do all agree on one point, namely that respect for other faiths, or for the views of the unbelievers, is not as attitude that God endorses.

I never said science should attempt to prove God. I said WHAT IF science, somehow, actually did it. Since the four major religions of the world clearly have conflicting laws of behavior, it would matter that this proof would not tell us WHICH religion was the “right” one.

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 23rd, 2012
12:23 pm

Carlosgvv is sadly confused on the state of the world

Carlosgvv, how old are you?

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:23 pm

Spirituality is organic. It does not need, or seek, labels.

Beautiful words, ME. I don’t know if you caught my essay about how religions begin and how they end up last week, but in essence, every religion is founded by a dynamic leader, who reveals Truth in a time- and place- sensitive way. It has to be that way because Absolute Truth is something that exists beyond mere words. Then, once the founder dies, their words are canonized, and a whole hierarchy develops from there, turning the whole thing into something the original Founder likely wouldn’t approve of.

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
12:24 pm

I died twice.

There is no God.

Sorry about that.

JamVet

June 23rd, 2012
12:25 pm

Religion in general and spirituality are topics of great interest to me.

But Christianity and their book of books? As boring as four corner basketball used to be.

I’m in agreement with Thomas Jefferson, who noted that the Bible was “a conglomeration of lies and fiction…”

And there was time – during the Dark Ages and before the Renaissance – when those lies were satisfactory to the majority of an unenlightened mankind.

Now? Not so much…

Jm, perhaps the day will come when you can – even for one day – stop acting like a petulant brat who does little more than personally insult others here, with no provocation and for no reason.

But I really doubt it…

Orange 12

June 23rd, 2012
12:26 pm

“I don’t want to go into it since I might say some things I would regret later.”

Funniest thing I’ve ever seen posted here.

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:26 pm

Out for awhile ……….. everyone be nice.

As always, Scout. Not that I ever expect a straight answer from you anyway. Just more of the same “I’m saved and you’re not”.

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 23rd, 2012
12:26 pm

Getalife 12:24 :)

Do you have a brother named Forrest gump?

Mary Elizabeth

June 23rd, 2012
12:28 pm

Thank you, Bruno.

Your thoughts in your 12:23 pm reflect part of Thomas Jefferson’s views of organized religion.

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
12:28 pm

jm,

You are my brother.

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:28 pm

Suggesting that it really doesn’t matter which God you believe in is whistling past the graveyard. Judasim, Christianity, Islam and Hinduism all have “sacred” texts which make an exclusive claim to infallibility.

Which only proves their fallibility…..yet doesn’t take away from the message they can offer otherwise.

Orange 12

June 23rd, 2012
12:29 pm

Give Getalife a break since the only thing he has to look forward to is fire and brimstone and taking Adolph up the poop.

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 23rd, 2012
12:30 pm

Getalife trippy

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
12:32 pm

If I died and saw God I would tell the truth.

I did not see anybody.

All I heard was a nurse demanding that I wake up.

Death is a deep sleep.

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
12:33 pm

Your thoughts in your 12:23 pm reflect part of Thomas Jefferson’s views of organized religion.

Coincidentally, I’m studying a course on the Great Presidents right now through The Teaching Company. The professor’s take is that Jefferson was likely our most complex President, yet a walking contradiction. His words that “All men are created equal….” are among the most quoted, yet he himself did not believe in equality for either women or blacks. I know that you like to focus on a person’s “vision” alone, but I try to look at the whole package. Because there are certainly an equal number of folks out there who express no “great vision”, but who live good lives through their deeds. Words + Deeds = The Whole Person.

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 23rd, 2012
12:35 pm

“I am my brother’s keeper!” -many

“Lend me some suga’, I am your neighbor” outkast

:)

josef

June 23rd, 2012
12:36 pm

CARLOS

I think you should revisit the concept in relation to Judaism of “sacred texts” and “exclusive claim to infallibility with texts that “urge(s) its readers to adopt a variety of beliefs and practices.”

In Judaism, only the “Torah” is considered “sacred.” Infallibility is not at issue, These are books of law as per tradition (or belief, or faith) handed down to Moses as the rules and regulations pertinent ONLY to Israelites/Jews. At no point does it “urge” anyone to “adopt” a belief, but it demands that the tribe/nation follow the “law.”

As for respect for other faiths, Judaism does not claim a patent on the truth for any one other than Jews and even there the questions of “how” is pretty much an open one. The question of “why” is more solid. Thus Judaism has the ability to evolve with the times.

Uncle Billy

June 23rd, 2012
12:36 pm

Kristopher Kristofferson: “He’s a walkin’ contraction, partly truth and partly fiction, taking every wrong direction on his lonely way back home.”

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 23rd, 2012
12:36 pm

“Death is a deep sleep.”

Highly likely

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 23rd, 2012
12:37 pm

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 23rd, 2012
12:38 pm

1. Georgia
> Overall grade: F (49%)
> Public access to information: F
> Legislative accountability: F
> Political financing: F
> Ethics enforcement agencies: F

Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/investing/2012/03/22/americas-most-corrupt-states/#ixzz1ydR12xrI

Well, I see we’re 1st in the country, according to Fox. Course, it’s 1st in being most corrupt, but we’re still 1st. I think the people that do the grading don’t understand how the Good Ole Boy system works.

Have a good Saturday everybody.

josef

June 23rd, 2012
12:39 pm

Orange

Are you saying that you don’t say things in the heat of the moment that you regret later?

carlosgvv

June 23rd, 2012
12:40 pm

JM-pass – 12:23

I thought my discussions here were about religion, not the state of the world. Have you ever heard of reading comprehension.

Asking me my age is a non sequitur.

Orange 12

June 23rd, 2012
12:41 pm

No Josef, not on this blog and I highly doubt you do either.

JamVet

June 23rd, 2012
12:43 pm

Heavens and hells? Eternal paradise. Some with dozens of hot nubile friends with advantages? And pits of fire and torture for the “unsaved”? Absurd b*llsh*t.

Sorry, no petty, little, angry, vengeful gods full of retribution for this heathen/infidel.

Like Gandhi said, “I like your Jesus, I do not like your Christians.”

I know where you’re going, I can tell
Don’t go looking for me down in Hamburger Hell
Don’t misunderstand me, I wish you well
Don’t go looking for me down in Hamburger Hell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TAzWK7fhd4

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
12:51 pm

I am tolerant of religion because it gets many people to act right and pull them out of the dark ages.

I am not tolerant of political parties hijacking it for their agenda.

I am not tolerant of those who killl in the name of God.

Orange 12

June 23rd, 2012
12:55 pm

josef

June 23rd, 2012
12:56 pm

Orange

Well, I have… :-)

Mary Elizabeth

June 23rd, 2012
1:02 pm

Bruno,

You are correct in stating that Jefferson was a man of much complexity, but you are incorrect in stating that “he himself did not believe in equality for either women or blacks. . .” There are many misconceptions about Jefferson’s thinking – which involved seeing in evolutionary process, was not static in its vision, and was multifaceted. I recommend both Saul Padover’s book, “Jefferson” and Gordon S. Wood’s book, “Revolutionary Characters,” in order to delve into Jefferson’s mind with depth.

I am currently reading an excellent biography of George Washington by Ron Chernow entitled, “Washington: A Life,” which Gordon S. Wood described, thus, in the New York Review of Books: “Superb. . .The best, most comprehensive, and most balanced single-volume biography of Washington ever written. [Chernow's] understanding of human nature is extraordinary and that is what makes his biography so powerful.”

Finally, evidently, Jon Meacham has written an excellent biography of Jefferson that will be published this November, entitled, ” Thomas Jefferson: The Art of Power,” which you, and other readers and posters, may enjoy reading. I have pre-ordered it. See below.

http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Jefferson-The-Art-Power/dp/1400067669

Oscar

June 23rd, 2012
1:02 pm

Time for more music. This is real.

Me and Bobbie McGee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-J7mLyD3yc

USMC

June 23rd, 2012
1:03 pm

Obama taps OVERSEAS donor pool… UNBELIEVABLE!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77744.html

Jm-pass TSPLOST peeps

June 23rd, 2012
1:05 pm

Jon meacham is full of himself

Driveby

211 more days

June 23rd, 2012
1:06 pm

Did-obama-assert-executive-privilege-to-bail-out-holder-before?

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
1:15 pm

The gop are mad because Holder stopped their voter purge.

Politics.

Oscar

June 23rd, 2012
1:16 pm

Long live executive prividledg.

211 more days

June 23rd, 2012
1:16 pm

No, the GOP is mad because of the murder cover up, of which O’Bama is part of

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
1:17 pm

211,

Foreign donors are legal thanks to the cons in the sc.

Deal with it or change it with unity.

Your call cons.

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
1:18 pm

211,

The Tillman cover up is disgusting.

I agree.

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
1:19 pm

And the torture cover up.

You can get our President on the torture cover up but it would take out your heroes too.

Go for it.

211 more days

June 23rd, 2012
1:23 pm

So you admit he is part of it?

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
1:29 pm

211,

The agents screwed up under w and Obama.

It happens.

carlosgvv

June 23rd, 2012
1:31 pm

josef – 11:49 – 12:36

Maimonides formulated 13 principles of faith. The first one is:

1. The existense of God

There’s not much room here for any “what difference would it make”
He is clearly talking about a Jewish God.

As for infallibility, consider Dueteronomy 13:6, 8-15

“If your brother, the son of your Mother, or your son, or your daughter. or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly saying “let us go and serve other Gods”,…..you shall kill him. This has “infallibility” written all over it.

As for the Torah, this is clearly a book or books written by Jews for Jews. No commandments are addressed to non-Jews. This suggests the writers clearly think God thinks all non-Jews are nothing more than human trash not even worthy for commandments.

211 more days

June 23rd, 2012
1:37 pm

Getalife
I agree $hit happens, but not acceptable when one of the good guys are killed
Come on, man up……………..

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
1:39 pm

211,

Man up on Tillman first and I will follow your lead.

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
1:44 pm

Didn’t think so.

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm

There is no perfect government or President.

I never bought into the Obama fairy tale and knew he is just another politician.

I am impressed with his accomplishments but know there will be failures too.

I see Clinton’s third and fourth terms are much better for our country than just gop failures.

Country first.

211 more days

June 23rd, 2012
1:52 pm

Yes, Getalife, the Tillman incident is also unacceptable, but did President Bush execute executive privilage to cover it up?
Didn’t think so………….

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
1:57 pm

but you are incorrect in stating that “he himself did not believe in equality for either women or blacks. . .”

??????

Maybe josef or any other “Major Historians” can chime in, but I think your reading of History is wrong. In case you were unaware, Jefferson was a slaveholder and a pretty mean one at that. Upon his death, he freed a few slaves, but sold the vast majority to cover his mountainous debt. He sincerely believed the black race to be inferior, and never envisioned an integrated society. As for women, he viewed their place to be in the home, and not any meaningful part of society or politics beyond that. I believe his many writings confirm this view.

I’m not sure why it’s so important for you to whitewash the personal history of so many of your heroes, from Jefferson to MLK. While each expressed great “vision”, each had their own demons and personal failings.

Oscar

June 23rd, 2012
2:13 pm

Bruno, you are a little off in your story about Jefferson. He was bankrupt His debts greatly exceeded his assets.. He couldn’t free the slaves if he had wanted to. When he died, they were sold to pay as much of his debts as they and the rest of his assets could cover.

Jefferson was a good President but he was not much of a businessman. Lived beyond his income and ran up debts, leaving many of his creditors unpaid.

211 more days

June 23rd, 2012
2:28 pm

I think that Jay should put up a statistics section, showing who is in TIMEOUT

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 23rd, 2012
2:39 pm

Jefferson was a good President but he was not much of a businessman. Lived beyond his income and ran up debts, leaving many of his creditors unpaid.

Danged right! If he’d of sold off them slaves and paid his debts he could of saved his reputation. There wouldn’t of been a Sally Hemings to tempt him from the Path of Righteousness. Who cares how many great ideas he had? It’s more important to be a good businessman than to worry over stuff like freedom and justice and the other junk. That’s why it’s important we elect Romney. He won’t give a hoot about this vague stuff. But he’ll danged sure be able to read a Profit and Loss statement.

barking frog

June 23rd, 2012
2:58 pm

Romney/Redneck 2012.

josef

June 23rd, 2012
3:03 pm

CARLOS

Maimonides’ 13 principles relate ONLY to Jews in his philosophical/scientific commentaries. At no point and at no time does he propose to impose his doctrinaire onto others nor in the secular. As I said, he is the earliest proponent of the division of the secular (man) and the spiritual (G-d) into two spheres of contemplation. And remember as you read him, he was writing around 1200. He is considered to be the author of the Renaissance. When I say I am Maimonidean, it is that essence of his life’s work and philosophy which was to bring these two spheres into as much a harmony as humanly possible.

You write:

“As for the Torah, this is clearly a book or books written by Jews for Jews. No commandments are addressed to non-Jews. This suggests the writers clearly think God thinks all non-Jews are nothing more than human trash not even worthy for commandments.”

This conclusion is simply not true. The premise that it is a text of laws by Jews (which I can accept here for agrument’s sake in the secular) for Jews is manifest. This does NOT suggest that G-d thinks of the non Jews in any such fashion, indeed quite the opposite. All souls are equal in the eyes of the Cr-ator. Jews are “special” (i.e. Chosen) in that they are bound by their own set of laws not applicable to “others,” held to a higher standard if you will. Non Jews frequently cite this as Jews feeling they are somehow superior to the goyim. They miss the Jewish interpretation which carries with it a special set of, not preferences, but obligations. It is not a “free pass,” but exactly the opposite. It is more an onus than a blessing. The others get the “free pass.”

Now, when it comes to the interpretations of these laws…well, remember, where there are two Jews there are five opinions! Just the same as any other system based on law, our Constitutional being in the same category, the lawyers (rabbis) can look for discord or harmony and base it on “what the text says” or “what the text implies” and can either move with the times or stay mired in the past.

Mary Elizabeth

June 23rd, 2012
3:08 pm

Bruno,

I gave you two references for my views on Jefferson. You continue to write incorrectly regarding both of Jefferson and of his views. I would add to the books I have already read regarding Jefferson’s thinking, his writings which are contained within the volume, “The Life and Selected Writings of Thomas Jefferson,” edited by Adrienne Koch and William Peden.

I really do not want to indulge in a “debate” on Jefferson’s thinking with you. I will simply close with the words of Jefferson, himself, from his “Notes on Virginia, Query XVIII,” regarding slavery, and with the words of Saul Padover about Jefferson’s treatment of his slaves, and his views of “colored people” who had been cast in slavery in the U.S. I would encourage you to read further in depth regarding Jefferson. Also, I wish you a good weekend, Bruno.

Jefferson’s words, end of Query XVIII: “The spirit of the master is abating, that of the slave rising from the dust, his condition mollifying, the way I hope preparing, under the auspices of heaven, for a total emancipation, and that this is disposed, in the order of events, to be with the consent of the masters, rather than by their extirpation.”

Saul Padover on Jefferson, from his book “Jefferson,” pages 234 and 235:

“Jefferson’s reply was that he realized that the so-called inferiority of colored people was due to their environment, that they had not been given a chance to raise themselves above their degraded status. He hoped that everything would be done to ameliorate this condition. . .He did everything he could to raise the physical and moral level of his slaves, and his considerate treatment of the colored folk on the plantation surpirsided many a visitor. To stimulate the slaves’ initiative, Jefferson praised them when they did something well and rewarded them when they achieved something out of the ordinary. The slaves responded to their kind and patient master with abiding love.”

Padover, in another passage of his book, related a story, penned by Jefferson’s granddaughter, that when Jefferson returned from Europe after several years away, his slaves ran downhill several miles from Monticello to greet him and, in their joy upon seeing him, pulled his carriage uphill to his home, as an expression of their deep affection for him.

Jefferson’s was an eye that saw with egalitarian vision, even while living within the culture of his time and place. Imo, Jefferson’s slaves recognized his elevated, egalitarian consciousness, a consciousness through which he saw them, and others, which was beyond words.

josef

June 23rd, 2012
3:12 pm

BRUNO

Bottom line on Jefferson, imauo, he was a product of his time and place complete with all the contradictions inherent therein. Jefferson the ideologist and Jefferson the man constrained by the realities of the day and the environment were often at odds one with the other.

As Oscar points out, the taxman’s interests and Jefferson’s philosophy were in conflict and the taxman, as usual, won out.

josef

June 23rd, 2012
3:14 pm

BRUNO

And there is the plantation liberal interpretation…present then as well as now.

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
3:22 pm

We ended slavery and discrimination.

Progress .

barking frog

June 23rd, 2012
3:26 pm

Mary Elizabeth
“Imo, Jefferson’s slaves
recognized his elevated,
egalitarian consciousness, a
consciousness through
which he saw them, and
others, which was beyond
words.”
….
Slaves often have the ability
to see the consciousness
of equality that holds them
enslaved and appreciate it.

Oscar

June 23rd, 2012
3:28 pm

I just read something that said Jefferson made the deal to send the Cherokee west, in violation of the treaty between the US and the Cherokee, which Jackson carried out, against the order and ruling of the Supreme Court.

I suppose Jefferson thought “All rich anglo-saxon whicte men are created equal.” Would not have sold as well as the pharse he used, but probably more in line with his thinking.

josef

June 23rd, 2012
3:40 pm

OSCAR
Jefferson’s proposals vis a vis the Indians, and most specifically the Civilized tribes were proposals not policies. He recognized that the level of “civilization” was equivalent to, and in some areas more advanced, than that of the interlopers. He approached the matter from the “nation-nation” concept. He had his own, not entirely irrational, concerns that the existence of these separate, developed, and advanced nations with territorial integrity were a threat to the territorial integrity of the “white” nation. What to do about that was an issue. With the Louisiana Purchase, there came an “empty quarter” in what is today Oklahoma to which these “nations” might be removed in a gradualist process.

The two groups most in focus, i.e. the largest, most highly advanced, best educated (i.e. “civilized”)
were the Choctaw and Cherokee, each with long-standing colonies in the areas under consideration.

The great shift in Indian policy came with the invention of the cotton gin and the spread of the plantation system and the land pressures. The gradualism envisioned earlier became a “get ‘em outta here as quick as possible.”

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
3:41 pm

“WASHINGTON, June 23 (Reuters) – President Barack Obama, marking the 40th anniversary of landmark legislation that lifted barriers to girls and women in education and school sports, said on Saturday the law had achieved far-reaching gains in improving equality between the sexes.”

That law would never pass today .

The gop would vote no.

Mary Elizabeth

June 23rd, 2012
3:49 pm

About his debts, Jefferson wrote the following to his grandson and namesake, Thomas Jefferson Randolph (who sold Jefferson’s estate, after Jefferson’s death, to finalize the paying of Jefferson’s debts for his beloved grandfather.) From Padover’s, “Jefferson,” pages 415 and 416:

” ‘You kindly encourage me to keep up my spirits. But oppressed with disease, debility, age, and embarrased affairs, this is difficult. For myself I should not regard a prostration of fortune, but I am overwhelmed at the prospect of the situation in which I may leave my family. . .Without you what could I do under the difficulties now environing me. This has been produced in some degree by my own unskilful management and devoting my life to the service of my country, but much also by the unfortunate fluctuations in the value of our money and the long continued depression of the farming business.’ ”

“When news reached the outside world that the Sage of Monticello was in dire straits, offers of help came from every part of the Union. The country was deeply moved at the plight of the author of the Declaration of Independence. Mass meetings were held everywhere, North and South. . . These spontaneous gifts from all parts of the country overjoyed the aidling old patriot. He had refused a gift from the State, but this was different. It was, he said, ‘the pure and unsolicited offering of love.’ Which it was. It was also perhaps the greatest tribute he had ever received – a vindication of his lifelong belief in the goodness of the people and his devotion to their cause. ‘I have spent three times as much money (in service to his country) and given my whole life to my countrymen,’ he said, ‘and now they nobly come forward, in the only way they can, to repay me and save an old servant from being turned like a dog out of doors.’ “

carlosgvv

June 23rd, 2012
3:50 pm

Joseph – 3:03 “This does not suggest God thinks of the non-Jews”

A careful reading of what Christians call The Old Testament shows that God thinks the only thing non-Jews(goyim) are really good for is to be killed by Jews.

josef

June 23rd, 2012
3:53 pm

getalife

We have not ended slavery, and discrimination is still a daily reality. It’s a work IN PROGRESS…

josef

June 23rd, 2012
3:53 pm

getalife

We have not ended slavery, and discrimination is still a daily reality. It’s a work IN PROGRESS…

Bruno

June 23rd, 2012
3:53 pm

Imo, Jefferson’s slaves recognized his elevated, egalitarian consciousness, a consciousness through which he saw them, and others, which was beyond words.

ME–That statement is so crazy, I’m not sure how to respond. A master-slave relationship is the complete opposite of being equal, and I doubt if you will find many slaves who enjoyed their lot in life.

Bottom line on Jefferson, imauo, he was a product of his time and place complete with all the contradictions inherent therein.

josef–I understand that we can’t judge others by the moral standards which we use today, and have never proposed doing so. However, that doesn’t elevate Jefferson to some “egalitarian” level that exists only in ME’s mind. It remains an historical fact that Jefferson did not view women or blacks as his equals, his peers. That status was reserved for white men only.

josef

June 23rd, 2012
3:56 pm

CARLOS

A careful reading or a selective one? And remember that beyond the Pentateuch, what you call the Old Testament is secular and is far from charitable to just about everybody.

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
3:58 pm

Americans donated 500,000 and a trip to Disney for the Senior bullied on the school bus.

josef

June 23rd, 2012
3:59 pm

BRUNO

“That status was reserved for white men only.”

And further limited to the property owning, literate…

And, well, you know how I feel about hagiology..

barking frog

June 23rd, 2012
4:01 pm

getalife
think maybe school bus
monitor applicants have
increased? collects more than neighborhood watch
guy.

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
4:02 pm

josef,

To form a more perfect union is always a work in progress.

We will not go back.

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
4:03 pm

frog,

If you make corporate media, set up a site to accept donations.

josef

June 23rd, 2012
4:04 pm

getalife

That’s good, and I’m happy. Now whup that pack of malcreants’ butts in front of the student body and make them do dirt duty in a nursing home…teach the l’il bast*ds some respect…imauo

Rightwing Troll

June 23rd, 2012
4:04 pm

No, the GOP is mad because the economy is up and gas prices are down, so once again they’ve failed…

josef

June 23rd, 2012
4:05 pm

getalife

much agreed on the work in progress comment…

Mary Elizabeth

June 23rd, 2012
4:06 pm

barking frog, 3:26 pm

“Slaves often have the ability
to see the consciousness
of equality that holds them
enslaved and appreciate it.”
==================================

The actions of Jefferson’s slaves, toward him, upon his return to Monticello, as documented in the writings of Jefferson’s granddaughter, speak more truthfully for the feelings toward Jefferson of his slaves than your words or mine could contain – just as the giving of financial gifts to Jefferson at the end of his life by common citizens throughout the nation, and not simply from the elite of that day, speaks more truthfully of Jefferson’s egalitarian consciousness toward all, than can the words of those who write today of Jefferson.

josef

June 23rd, 2012
4:07 pm

FROG

We were good to ow-uh Ni-gruhs! :-)

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
4:07 pm

josef,

Two already apologized and she mentioned community service.

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
4:09 pm

I would donate to Jefferson .

barking frog

June 23rd, 2012
4:11 pm

Hags are underappreciated.
-Thomas Jefferson

josef

June 23rd, 2012
4:12 pm

getalife
Thanks for the update. I still want to see their little asses wore out…and she is to be complimented for wanting community service…

That Black Guy

June 23rd, 2012
4:12 pm

Brother Bruno, I couldn’t join in the fun last night, but here is what I would’ve if I could’ve…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLh_C8QUL_8&feature=related

That Black Guy

June 23rd, 2012
4:14 pm

barking frog

June 23rd, 2012
4:14 pm

josef
Us descendents of slave
owners cling to the view
expressed by Mary Elizabeth.

That Black Guy

June 23rd, 2012
4:17 pm

josef

June 23rd, 2012
4:19 pm

FROG

Ain’t it the truth!

getalife

June 23rd, 2012
4:20 pm

Why do they need bus monitors?

barking frog

June 23rd, 2012
4:24 pm

getalife
to stop the bullying.

josef

June 23rd, 2012
4:25 pm

getalife

Especially if you don’t give them the authority to take care of bidness…pretty much it’s a PR thingie…none of the buses at my school have them, but then we’ve got some pretty good kids and a crew of drivers that know how to deal with it…and we ARE an elementary school…

That Black Guy

June 23rd, 2012
4:26 pm

That Black Guy

June 23rd, 2012
4:28 pm

One of the few songs of this genre that I like…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RO2LjZuaGo

Oscar

June 23rd, 2012
4:31 pm

josef

June 23rd, 2012
3:40 pm

______

I hear and understand what you are saying, but it does not make me feel any better. Jefferson was already dead when Jackson was President, and Jackson was not present on the scene, but they both had similar attidudes toward the Indians, the forced removal was the result.

josef

June 23rd, 2012
4:47 pm

OSCAR

It was not meant to be a “defense” of Jefferson at all, but to put into perspective the shift in attitudes from the time the concept of Removal was articulated to the time it was implemented. The chapter of American history relative to the period leading up to Removal is an absent quantity in both the textbook and the popular image. Once you go digging into it, it turns into something far more complex and full of interesting details which, once reassessed, provide an insight which challenges our view of time, place and people involved and some perspectives into what makes the people of Uncle Sam’s Oldest Colony march to a different drummer even today….

Mary Elizabeth

June 23rd, 2012
4:50 pm

barking frog, 4:14

“Us descendents of slave
owners cling to the view
expressed by Mary Elizabeth.”
========================================

Barking frog, I have given the views, primarily, of well-documented author Saul Padover toward Jefferson, and I, also, have quoted Jefferson’s words, directly. Let us try to perceive with complexity and without creating more divisions.

History must be undersood with sensitivity as well as with intellect. Arriving at an egalitarian consciousness is an evolutionary process and requires sensitive understanding. I will repeat a personal story that I have shared before, on this blog, to illustrate that consciousness.

My first principal – a black man in an all-black school (before segregation had fully ended) when I was a young woman and the only white person in that school – pulled me aside on our last day and said he wanted me to know that I “saw” the students, teachers, and himself with an “eye” unlike other white people of that south Georgia locale. He told me that my vision of black people was beyond simple compassion, which some other white people had toward the black people of south Georgia. He said that all in that school recognized that I did not truly “see” any differences among us, in my soul. He wanted me to know that that was a gift more important to every person there than any other gift I may have tried to give. I have never forgotten his insight, shared with me in private and with some risk to himself in that day, and I am certain, now, that my elevated principal had intended for me never to forget his remarks, even after his passing. I had, you see, already acquired an egalitarian consciousness through my spirit, more than through my mind, and my consciousness was recognized and appreciated, beyond words, by every person in that all black school. The principal, however, was gracious and courageous enough to put into words, for me, the thoughts of the others.

stands for decibels

June 23rd, 2012
4:55 pm

the murder cover up, of which O’Bama is part of

Sigh. Filed under the massive Pile O’ Weird Stuff Online Righties Believe.

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
5:01 pm

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
5:14 pm

I have missed SOMETHING. What murder is President Obama supposed to be covering up?

josef

June 23rd, 2012
5:15 pm

GMARE

Yeah. I was wondering that one myself…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 23rd, 2012
5:16 pm

Bruno:

1) Exactly.

2) You ignored the passage “Unless you believe in Me you are dead in your sins.” Jesus.

Is that ugly ?

3) Yes ……… this verse speaks for itself and gives a true believer a perception that a non-believer cannot have.

I Corinthians 2:14 “The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

4) So as usual, we must end this agreeing to disagree. So be it.

pogo

June 23rd, 2012
5:16 pm

A little reported but very important defeat for the unions this week from the SCOTUS pertaining to SEIU. Seven of the nine judges sided against SEIU. The unions are dying and they are dying because of their own greed and corruption. Unions once served a noble cause but very early on the crooks realized they could make money off of them by taking advantage of the “American Worker”. And they still are. And now Obama apooints a new member to the NLRB who was and is connected to one of the most criminally corrupt unions (the IUOE) this country has ever seen, Richard Griffin.
Griffin is nothing but a mafia consigliere for the most corrupt union in the nation (other than SEIU).

Obama obviously wants to lose. Even he doesn’t, he will. He has sold completely out to the special interests.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 23rd, 2012
5:20 pm

Ooops !

“President Obama may have to clear a high bar in order to lock down Fast and Furious documents from the prying eyes of congressional investigators.

After the White House asserted executive privilege over potentially thousands of documents pertaining to the botched anti-gunrunning operation, critics of the move pointed out that the federal appeals court in the nation’s capital has taken a skeptical view toward privilege claims in the past.

The D.C. appeals court in 2004 rejected a privilege claim made by the George W. Bush White House pertaining to Justice Department documents dating back to the Clinton administration.

That case involved a different type of claim, but a 1997 opinion from the same court made an observation that could come back to haunt the Obama administration if the current case ends up before the federal judiciary.

“THE PRIVILEGE,” THE COURT WROTE, “DISAPPEARS ALTOGETHER WHEN THERE IS ANY REASON TO BELIEVE GOVERNMENT MISCONDUCT OCCURRED.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/23/court-rulings-suggest-privilege-claim-over-furious-docs-would-fizzle/#ixzz1yeaRIVB0

THE LONG, HOT SUMMER !!!

They BOTH suck

June 23rd, 2012
5:36 pm

Scout

Is that the case were the emails were somehow “deleted” from the computers and mainframe…….. I know you remember that one. What a coincidence whether it was that case or another?

They BOTH suck

June 23rd, 2012
5:37 pm

Hope everyone is having a great weekend

Just passing through

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCtSa0exAH0

josef

June 23rd, 2012
5:40 pm

BRUNO

SE

BOTH

Shoot, scoot on out, then.. Just look at what you’re missing! :-)

larry

June 23rd, 2012
5:43 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 23rd, 2012
5:43 pm

There “should be” more people indicted for “misprison of a felony” !

“Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”

Headline: “Sandusky may face more charges” :

“……………….. there could be more prosecutions, because we know the grand jury has been continuing to hear testimony through these months.”

“There’s an internal investigation going forward with the university,” Casarez notes. “There will be many, many civil lawsuits for the university. They will just have to sit with their attorneys and deal with all of it.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57459346/sandusky-may-face-more-charges-legal-analyst/?tag=stack

GET OUT THE CHECKBOOK “PERP STATE” !

They BOTH suck

June 23rd, 2012
5:43 pm

I apologize Scout

The “deleted” emails covered numerous issues. You can’t beat those sort of “coincidences” when they just so happen to “help” you out. Win some, lose some

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

As for Holder and Obama, time will tell how that goes and what impact it has on the election.

They BOTH suck

June 23rd, 2012
5:44 pm

josef

Looks like some good conversation but have friends to meet and beers to drink

Everyone have a great evening

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
5:49 pm

Pogo, “little reported?” Hmmmm.

Josef, thanks. Yeah, I’m kinda old, but do think I might have at least heard about this, but then I don’t keep up with Fox or Bright Bart. :)

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
5:52 pm

They BOTH suck

June 23rd, 2012
5:56 pm

One more thing (all the regs know I exit at least 5 times before I finally shutdown)

Bro: Hope you are starting to feel better. Get some rest.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
6:09 pm

Sooth@5:52, WHAT???

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
6:13 pm

G Mare: what WHAT?? What you just read is Ron Paul’s address to the U.S. House of Representatives introducing his bill to require the President to seek Congressional approval before starting a war in Syria.

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
6:14 pm

But, then again, what’s another war among friends?

Josef

June 23rd, 2012
6:15 pm

Gmare

Ron Paul, you know, the nation’s premier anti Semite…

pogo

June 23rd, 2012
6:16 pm

“The Amateur” continues to sell millions of copies. Good. It is about time America knows what Obama really is all about but of course Obama’s sycophants and entitlement babies won’t read it. I kind of understand that as most of Obama’s base can’t read anyway. And for even those that can, they will choose to blow it off as some kind of right wing conspiracy thing even though the man writing it has worked for years at the New York Times, a liberal news organization. It is easy to see how a few intelligent people and bunch of not so intelligent people fell for the likes of Hitler and Stalin.

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
6:24 pm

Lyndon Johnson wanted war on Vietnam and got it.

The August 1964 false flag Gulf of Tonkin incident initiated full-scale conflict after Congress passed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.

War was authorized without declaring it.

It’s an American tradition. Big lies launch wars. Manufactured pretexts initiate them. Mass killing and destruction follow.

One nation after another is ravaged. Syria’s next, then Iran, followed by other states on Washington’s hit list.

On June 22, Turkey provocatively flew two warplanes at low altitude over Syrian airspace. It wanted a response and got it.

On June 23, Syria’s SANA state media headlined “Military Spokesman: Anti-Air Defenses Intercepted a Target That Violated Syrian Airspace Over Territorial Waters, Shot It Down West of Lattakia,” saying:

“At 11:40 AM on 22/6/2012, an unidentified aerial target violated Syrian airspace, coming from the west at a very low altitude and at high speed over territorial waters, so the Syrian anti-air defenses counteracted with anti-aircraft artillery, hitting it directly as it was 1 kilometer away from land, causing it to crash into Syrian territorial waters west of Om al-Tuyour village in Lattakia province, 10 kilometers from the beach.”

josef: if he’s an anti-semite, I’m not aware of it although I’m sure you have unlimited cites to prove it.

I’m a particular fan of Ron Paul except his stance on war.

We are being hoodwinked into a new war with Syria and Iran and I believe Israel is behind both.Unpopular, yes, True, yes.

Will either or both of the wars lead to WWIII? You tell me.

Oh! I’m sorry, is Snooki coming on? Forgive me.

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
6:27 pm

Ooops! I’m not a particular fan of Ron Paul.

Josef

June 23rd, 2012
6:28 pm

Sooth

Just google Ron Paul anti Semite and choose your political persuasion…

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
6:32 pm

Erwin's cat

June 23rd, 2012
6:42 pm

completely OT…i went with the convection oven option…experimental pizza this evening….what’s up?

barking frog

June 23rd, 2012
6:47 pm

Mary Elizabeth
“My first principal – a black
man in an all-black school
(before segregation had fully
ended) when I was a young
woman and the only white
person in that school –”
…..
Just for clarity, In the Jim
Crow South (before segregation had fully ended)
you attended an all black
school and at graduation
the principal called you aside
and complimented you on
your spiritual blindness to
any differences between
you and him or other black
people, a result of your
egalitarian consciousness
that you became aware of
at an early age or may have
been born with which coalesced into your belief
in unity from diversity.
Right?

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
6:48 pm

Sooth, sorry. Didn’t mean to be doubting you. Could you please let me know when/where Mr. Paul gave that speech? Thanks.

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
6:52 pm

G Mare: no need to be sorry. Just left click on the blue type. He gave that speach before the House of Representatives. I don’t know the date.

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
6:55 pm

Two things I’ve said before and I will say again and again:

1. There well never be peace in the World as long as the Palestinian problem remains.

2. The Israeli “tail” wags the United States “dog.”

Like it, hate it. It’s the truth.

Josef

June 23rd, 2012
7:04 pm

Sooth

As I said, pick your persuasion….sorta like the WTC…plenty of lunatic fringe conspiracists to go around…

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
7:12 pm

“sorta like the WTC”

You know, josef, it’s strange you should bring up the WTC.

Just the other day, a bird, (a dove, I think) crashed into this 110 foot-tall pine tree in my back yard.

Of course, the bird disintegrated on impact. I didn’t really think much about it at the time.

But, about an hour later, I heard this loud bang! and I ran out to find that the tree had “collapsed” into a pile of sawdust.

Strange as that is, another tree that the bird didn’t even run into also “collapsed” into a pile of sawdust.

It’s the strangest thing I’ve ever seen!

barking frog

June 23rd, 2012
7:13 pm

Sooth
Termites.

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
7:14 pm

No, frog! Bark beetles!

Erwin's cat

June 23rd, 2012
7:17 pm

barking frog

June 23rd, 2012
7:17 pm

Sooth
mites got the bird.

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
7:23 pm

You know, after all these years of my life, I have come to the realization that Americans are so stupid and lacking in consciousness that they really deserve what they get in life.

Doggone/GA

June 23rd, 2012
7:25 pm

“You know, after all these years of my life, I have come to the realization that Americans are so stupid and lacking in consciousness that they really deserve what they get in life”

And what country are YOU from?

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
7:29 pm

Oh boy, no loud noises here tonight!

Josef

June 23rd, 2012
7:30 pm

Doggone

Iran?

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
7:33 pm

Sadly, I am from a complacent, ignorant, naive, gullible, innocent, trusting, uninterested, distracted United States of America. What country are you from?

Oscar

June 23rd, 2012
7:35 pm

Sooth – Most people I know are doing very well. You think they deserve that?

Doggone/GA

June 23rd, 2012
7:35 pm

“distracted United States of America.”

Glad to see you admit to being one of the “stupid and lacking in conciousness” – may YOU get what you deserve as well.

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
7:37 pm

Oscar: talk to me when we are in WWIII, OK?

Oscar

June 23rd, 2012
7:40 pm

And what county do you live in where all the people are stupid?

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
7:40 pm

Well, let’s just do this: how about all the Jews on this site come on out and attack me.

Israel and the Jews are sacrosanct on this blog.

I just wonder if that will remain the same when they lead us into WWIII?

Doggone/GA

June 23rd, 2012
7:42 pm

“Well, let’s just do this: how about all the Jews on this site come on out and attack me.”

Hon, I think you need to close all the curtains, turn off all the lights, take about 4 aspirin and go to bed and sleep off whatever it was you overindulged in.

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
7:47 pm

“Hon, I think you need to close all the curtains, turn off all the lights, take about 4 aspirin and go to bed and sleep off whatever it was you overindulged in.”

Thanks for the condescending dismissal. I’ll accept that as your recognition of defeat.

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
7:48 pm

barking frog

June 23rd, 2012
7:52 pm

if you know and care but are
unable to act you will be
overcome with frustration
and never get an oscar.

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
7:53 pm

Thanks, but I’ll forgo the Oscar.

barking frog

June 23rd, 2012
7:56 pm

forgoing oscar may be
illegal.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 23rd, 2012
7:58 pm

They BOTH suck @ 5:43:

I hear you.

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
7:58 pm

I’m afraid I owe you all an apology. It’s not that you are ignorant or uninformed, it’s just that what information you receive from the MSM is think-tanked and focus-grouped and carefully parsed to make sure that the thoughts that you hold in your heads align with what your government wants you to think.

But, then again, there are always the Glee, Snooki, American Idol people out there who really don’t give a damn!

Josef

June 23rd, 2012
8:01 pm

Sooth

Not yet. Still waiting for the directive from the International Zionist Nazi Jew Bankers.

OBG !!

June 23rd, 2012
8:06 pm

“where it all makes sense — at least for a while”

Putting your faith in something man made (like music), this is as good as it will ever get for you. That’s just sad….

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
8:07 pm

“Not yet. Still waiting for the directive from the International Zionist Nazi Jew Bankers.”

Another condescending dismissal. I have never mentioned International Zionist Nazi Jew Bankers on this blog.

If you can post something that backs up that statement, I’ll be glad to look at it.

The fact is, josef, whether you or anyone else on this blog is willing to admit it, that we are on the verge of WWIII. This World War will be fought for things that the American public is really uninterested in — American and Israeli hegemony in the Middle East.

Yet, the ignoramuses on this blog and elsewhere, want to plunge headlong into a war that will likely result in millions of Americans being killed.

What’s that? Snooki’s pregnancy is coming along just fine? Great!

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
8:12 pm

You know, josef, your 6:01 is really an embarrassment to you. You, like so many on this blog, don’t have anything substantive to say so you resort to cheap low blows.

Frankly, I’m tired of it. You should really think about what you post.

I have posted numerous linked posts this evening — any of which you could comment on, but, like all the others, when you have nothing to say, you post meaningless nonsense.

Josef

June 23rd, 2012
8:18 pm

Sooth

Yes, everyone’s out to get you…it’s a conspiracy. Are you sure Carlos is not another of your personae?

barking frog

June 23rd, 2012
8:19 pm

josef
try to
post some nonsense with
meaning.

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
8:19 pm

Well, I’ll let you get back to Anusaryans and Frog Woman and extra-terrestrials and the double-slits. I just hope that you all enjoy your new World War. You, of all people, deserve it!

Soothsayerc

June 23rd, 2012
8:21 pm

“Yes, everyone’s out to get you…it’s a conspiracy.”

Yet another condescending dismissal. Nothing to say — I get it!

bman

June 23rd, 2012
8:22 pm

All i did was take an afternoon (and well deserved) nap. I wake up and we are on the verge of WWlll??

Soothsayer

June 23rd, 2012
8:25 pm

You know, josef, thoughout this entire discourse this evening I have yet to attack you personally. Every assertion you have made, I have posted a reply or a linked post.

Unfortunately, I can’t say the same for you.

You’re really embarrassing yourself in front of the entire blog.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
8:33 pm

Snooki Lanson?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 23rd, 2012
8:33 pm

Want to know what’s wrong with our legal system ?

NJ woman hit with ball sues Little League player
Fri June 22, 3:46PM

The Associated Press

MANCHESTER TOWNSHIP, N.J. — A New Jersey woman who was struck in the face with a baseball at a Little League game is suing the young catcher who threw it.

Elizabeth Lloyd is seeking more than $150,000 in damages to cover medical costs stemming from the incident at a Manchester Little League game two years ago. She’s also seeking an undefined amount for pain and suffering.

Lloyd was sitting at a picnic table near a fenced-in bullpen when she was hit with the ball.

Catcher Matthew Migliaccio was 11 years old at the time and was warming up a pitcher.

The lawsuit filed April 24 alleges Migliaccio’s errant throw was intentional and reckless, “assaulted and battered” Lloyd and caused “severe, painful and permanent” injuries.

A second count alleges Migliaccio’s actions were negligent and careless through “engaging in inappropriate physical and/or sporting activity” near Lloyd. She continues to suffer pain and anguish, incur medical expenses and has been unable to carry out her usual duties and activities, the lawsuit says.

And Lloyd’s husband, in a third count, is suing for the loss of “services, society and consortium” of his wife. They’ve demanded a jury trial.

Anthony Pagano, a lawyer for the Migliaccios, said the lawsuit is frivolous and without merit.

“I just think that it’s disgusting that you have people suing an 11-year-old kid for overthrowing his pitcher in the bullpen,” Pagano said. “It’s horrible this can actually happen and get this far. Ultimately, hopefully, justice will prevail.”

The count alleging negligence and carelessness is covered by homeowner’s insurance, Pagano said, but the other counts are not. Little League has denied any coverage.

Lloyd’s lawyer was out of the office Friday and could not be reached for comment.

Steve Barr, a spokesman for Little League, declined to comment on the litigation. He said each local league is required to have accident insurance, but that only covers personnel.

“That includes coaches, players, even concession stand workers. But it does not cover spectators,” Barr said.

Matthew’s father, Bob Migliaccio, said they were concerned for Lloyd when it happened. Then his son started receiving threatening and nasty letters, he said, and he started getting angry.

“The whole thing has almost been surreal,” Migliaccio said. “We keep thinking it’s just going to go away, and then a week and a half ago a sheriff shows up at my door to serve my son the papers.”

Migliaccio said if his son had been horsing around, he would feel differently. But Matthew was doing what his coaches told him to do, he said, and noted Little League players aren’t always accurate in their throws.

“It’s absurd to expect every 11-year-old to throw the ball on target,” Migliaccio said. “Everyone knows you’ve got to watch out. You assume some risk when you go out to a field. That’s just part of being at a game.”

Migliaccio said he and his wife, Sue, would love to beat the charges in court, but it could cost them tens of thousands of dollars. They also don’t want to put their son and other kids on the team through all the questions and depositions a trial would bring.

“It’s to the point now where we just want it to be over,” he said.

Matthew, described by his father as a “baseball junkie,” still plays on three different teams. But Migliaccio and his wife have stepped down from coaching and managing the concession stand because of the suit.

Migliaccio said as angry as he is about the lawsuit, he’s almost more angry with Little League. He said they’ve volunteered hundreds of hours over the years, and he believes Little League should assist in defending their son.

“Somebody else has to step in here and help us out,” Migliaccio said. “I just feel people should know about this, and maybe Little League can figure out a way to protect these kids.”

___

June 22, 2012 03:46 PM EDT

Copyright 2012, The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
8:37 pm

Oh, wait, Sooky Lanson is/was a guy, so, he can’t be pregnant. Am pretty sure he is no longer among the living, so who is Snooki?

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
8:37 pm

Oops, Snooky.

Josef

June 23rd, 2012
8:53 pm

Sooth
I’m embarrassing myself in front of the entire blog? Okay. If you say so.

Frog
Nonsense with meaning…lessee

Twas brillig and the slithy Toves, did gyre and Gimble in the wane, all mimsy were the borogoves, and the mome raths outgrabe…

barking frog

June 23rd, 2012
9:02 pm

josef
that’s the ticket!

bman

June 23rd, 2012
9:05 pm

Snooki/Snooky .. .. I have heard the name, but I have no idea at all who or what it is.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
9:08 pm

wet wiccan

June 23rd, 2012
9:09 pm

Okay, it’s been a while since this was posted and there are some new people here now. If you want to insult other bloggers, do it Shakespeare style!

http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/shake_rule.html

Thou craven, dog-hearted foot-lickers!

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
9:17 pm

Oh, PERFECT, Wet Wiccan!

Josef

June 23rd, 2012
9:19 pm

Gmare

I’m on iPad..boy did THAT give the auto correct fits…

Wiccan

That’s one of the greatest things yet!!! Ever so often I’ll pull it up just for the fun of it. Thanks for bringing it :-)

Josef

June 23rd, 2012
9:21 pm

Surly rump-fed buttock!

wet wiccan

June 23rd, 2012
9:25 pm

You’re welcome, G Mare and josef. It always makes me laugh too! Sometimes the people on here just become mewling, rump-fed harpies!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 23rd, 2012
9:28 pm

Oh, wait, Sooky Lanson is/was a guy, so, he can’t be pregnant. Am pretty sure he is no longer among the living, so who is Snooki?

Well, G Mare, you and me are about the only ones on here so rickety we recall Snooky Lanson. Anyhow, after he left Your Hit Parade and did a little more singing, he found his calling as a car salesman in Tennessee. Sold Chryslers, so he must of been pretty good. It takes a heckuva sales job to get anybody to buy a Chrysler. Did that about 16 years, then died in NYC in 1990. He was already in hell in that place, so I reckon anything he got after death was OK. He could say, “At least I’m not in New York City.”

Thomas

June 23rd, 2012
9:48 pm

Want to know what’s wrong with our legal system ?

Yes Mr. #s guy- we have a legal system- not a justice system

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
10:34 pm

Thanks, Red, it’s nice to know that there is someone as rickety as I! Of course, I was ” a mere child” when my family listened to/watched that show! :)

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
10:40 pm

Yes, Josef, I’m on an iPad, too. The auto correct reminds of that supercilious google thing, “Did you mean…”.

Oscar

June 23rd, 2012
10:41 pm

I used to watch Hit Parade. They did well until Rock and Roll came along. They were really an embarrassment trying to sing the first R&R hits. Rock Around the Clock was one of the first. Not good. They went off the air right after that.
Did a real good job with Shrimp Boats are a Coming.” McKenzie was my favorite.

j$

June 23rd, 2012
10:52 pm

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
10:59 pm

Wow, Oscar, Rock Around the Clock can still get me out of the recliner! Your Hit Parade was pretty innovative for its day, way back in the day – Giselle, Dorothy Collins, Russell Arms, &, of course, Snooky. Must confess, sorry, Bruno, Santana does not have the same appeal to me now.

Oscar, I’m sure you remember the movie Blackboard Jungle; I saw it again fairly recently. Among others, Jamie Farr (Klinger) under his original screen name, was one of the kids. Ah, the memories.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 23rd, 2012
11:01 pm

Thomas @ 9:48:

I hear you.

What we need is a system wherein if you want to sue ……….. go ahead …….. but if you lose?

You pay big time.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 23rd, 2012
11:02 pm

Oscar

June 23rd, 2012
11:07 pm

G Mare – Thanks fro spelling Giselle. I remember when Blackboard Junkle came out. I seemed pretty racy at the time. Didn’see it back then, but have see some parts of it on tvl
Agree with you about Santana. Just not into his kind of music.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
11:13 pm

J$, life is indeed a journey. We who remember Your Hit Parade are a little farther along it than you, but it is a mitzvah that we can come together here, so thanks to all of us who gather here & especially to Jay, who makes our gathering possible.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 23rd, 2012
11:36 pm

Oscar, the movie came out in 1955. Glenn Ford was the main star. The cast included Anne Francis, Sidney Potier (”breakout role”) and Vic Morrow. Jamie Farr was billed as Jameel Farar (sp?).

Looks like most of the kids have gone bye bye. :) Saw a quote somewhere: youth & strength can be overcome by old age & treachery – something like that.

Okay, goodnight; it’s been fun.

Bruno

June 24th, 2012
12:48 am

Brother TBG–Thanks for the tunes. Really enjoyed the Bobby Caldwell selection.

TBS–Grooved on the Steely Dan.

j$–Good job with the Journey selection.

They BOTH suck

June 24th, 2012
1:06 am

Bruno

June 24th, 2012
1:14 am

After picking through this afternoon’s posts, I’m really scratching my head as to who the craziest blogger here is. Thus far, the nominees are:

(1) Scout, who believes that his profession of faith in a Supernatural Being somehow confers Supernatural Powers to himself, giving him special reading skills and special insights into the Mind of the Creator that other mere mortals simply don’t have.

(2) Mary Elizabeth, who claims that a man who participated in slave ownership and who most likely took sexual advantage of one of his female slaves is the embodiment of egalitarianism.

(3) SoothSayer, who is just plain batshyte insane.

(4) Myself, for conversing and trying to reason with candidates (1) through (3).

Voting ends at 7 PM on Sunday.

Bruno

June 24th, 2012
1:17 am

Hey TBS!! Great song, lousy recording…..

Some more Bobby Caldwell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyQppQPCgMY

They BOTH suck

June 24th, 2012
1:18 am

They BOTH suck

June 24th, 2012
1:23 am

Bruno

Nice selection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la0eUKD9kNw&feature=related

PS: Probably going to that Job B show in November. Thanks for the tip.

Peace

Bruno

June 24th, 2012
1:23 am

Bobby wrote this song for Peter Cetera and Amy Grant, but I like his version the best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL8VQpLMee4

They BOTH suck

June 24th, 2012
1:25 am

Bruno

June 24th, 2012
1:34 am

TBS–We generally take care of the various bands who make it into town. I’ll keep you posted. Bonnie Raitt is also scheduled to come through Columbus in October. Hope I get to meet her…..

Gotta run, busy day tomorrow.

They BOTH suck

June 24th, 2012
1:39 am

Bruno

Thanks. Hope you like being in C town. Slightly different than the ATL. Haven’t lived there since the mid 80s but of course been back numerous times.

have a great Sunday

Mary Elizabeth

June 24th, 2012
3:01 am

barking frog, 6:47 pm

“Just for clarity, In the Jim
Crow South (before segregation had fully ended)
you attended an all black
school and at graduation
the principal called you aside
and complimented you on
your spiritual blindness to
any differences between
you and him or other black
people, a result of your
egalitarian consciousness
that you became aware of
at an early age or may have
been born with which coalesced into your belief
in unity from diversity.
Right?”

==============================

No, barking frog, I had not “attended” an all-black school as a student there; I had functioned as the only white teacher in an, otherwise, all black school after I had accepted my first teaching assignment there. I was 27 years old at that time.

And, the moment in which the principal had pulled me aside to express his gracious thoughts to me, as the only white teacher in that all black school, was the last day that that segregated school would remain open. It was the last day of post planning for the teaching staff in the 1969 – 70 school year in south Georgia. Teachers were leaving the school to go to their homes for the summer break during that June day in 1970. That school would reopen in the fall of 1970 as an integrated school. I, in turn, moved on to teach English to 7th – 9th grade students in another integrated school in that south Georgia School System during the 1970 – 71 school year. I had thought about the fact that “all are created equal” from the time that I had been in middle school, when I was about 12 years of age, so my being able to understand those egalitarian concepts, lived out in action, when I was 27 at that school, 15 years later, was organic with me. I do remember having been afraid that some white, radical segregationist might do me bodily harm as a result of my taking that position – my first teaching position after I had graduated from college in NYC and had come back to my Southern roots.

The point of the story was to illustrate that those around you are able to perceive your consciousness, without words, through how you relate to them one-on-one, and that how you relate to others, without condescension in your heart, will come naturally to your relationships with others if an egalitarian spirit has lived within your consciousness for years prior to your relating, firsthand. Understanding history, with that consciousness, is what changes history, as it evolves in time, for the better. That understanding is the basis of my appeal for us all to attempt to understand history with sensitivity, as well as with intellect.

barking frog

June 24th, 2012
7:21 am

Mary Elizabeth
Thanks. That’s much
clearer now.

Mary Elizabeth

June 24th, 2012
7:31 am

Barking frog, you are most welcome.

And, thank you for asking the question to clarify, because others, also, may have misunderstood my earlier post. I had not mentioned, specifically, in my post yesterday, that I had been a white teacher serving under my first principal’s guidance in that all black school in 1970.

Enjoy your Sunday. My best regards to you.

bman

June 24th, 2012
9:06 am

sleep it off boozers….

JamVet

June 24th, 2012
9:23 am

(4) Myself, for conversing and trying to reason with candidates (1) through (3).

Huge LOL!

Well, you might think I’m crazy
To hang around with you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8oZZJojROo

..

June 24th, 2012
9:45 am

What I’ve always disliked about Bruno.

After picking through this afternoon’s posts, I’m really scratching my head as to who the craziest blogger here is. Thus far, the nominees are:

Pick one of four.

Judgmental in his own right.

Thomas

June 24th, 2012
9:49 am

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

It is interesting. Take, for example, “much needed regulation”. DC firmly believes every person and every institution sans those that are in DC need regulating.

It is amazing that politicians can speak of private sector employment gains without mentioning losses that exceed those gains.

Could you imagine a drug maker claiming that 100’s have been healed while 1000’s have lost their lives? Could you imagine a bank claiming tens of 1000’s of homes save from foreclosure while more had been foreclosed.

One can’t make this stuff up- no accountability

Spot on Opinion

June 24th, 2012
9:52 am

Obama is running out of excuses
By Jon Kraushar
Published June 22, 2012

It is time to “out” President Obama.

Mr. President, it is you—not Mitt Romney—who is out of touch with the American people and with what our country needs.

You are outraged at the charge that your White House leaks national security secrets while you stake out a claim of executive privilege, to keep White House communications secret on “Fast and Furious”—the American people smell a cop out or two somewhere in that mix.

You are never out of excuses—blaming others for our anemic recovery—while we are out of patience, frustrated with your mishandling of the economy.

You are out partying at Hollywood fundraisers while millions of people are out of work.

Your spending is out of control while taxpayers are out ever more money to fund your bailouts and handouts for special interests that are special to you.

You have an out of whack belief that “the private sector is doing fine” while we recoil at your outlandish idea to throw more money at the public sector—big government.

You are out in the open—dividing people by race, income, and deeply held religious and moral beliefs—while most Americans strive to bring out the best in themselves and their neighbors.

Your ObamaCare outsources our health care to government bureaucrats while it leaves us out of pocket, out of choices for our treatments and doctors, and out of incentives to develop new drugs and other medical innovations.

You’ve gone out of your way to antagonize allies like Israel and to appease adversaries like Russia, while most of us see this as out and out betrayals.

You keep going further out on a limb with your extremism on the environment and limiting the uses of energy like oil and coal while ignoring our concerns about being out of power and out in the cold.

You are out campaigning about how in touch you are with us while we see you as out of your depth in leadership, out in left field in your policies and, hopefully, out of your office in November.

Bruno

June 24th, 2012
10:01 am

Judgmental in his own right.

Stop being so judgmental, “..” ;-)

Out of curiosity, when have I ever claimed to be anything more than an imperfect person??

BADA BING

June 24th, 2012
10:04 am

Bruno…….#5

Bruno

June 24th, 2012
10:05 am

Special for “..” :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCtC-LoOvqs

Friday night I crashed your party
Saturday I said i’m sorry
Sunday came and trashed me out again
I was only having fun
Wasn’t hurting any one
And we all enjoyed the weekend for a change

You may be right
I may be crazy
But it just may be a lunatic your looking for
Turn out the light
Don,t try to save me
You may be wrong for all i know
But you may be right

Bruno

June 24th, 2012
10:08 am

Bruno…….#5

Hey, BADA–You sure you don’t have some Anuraian roots??

Thomas

June 24th, 2012
10:18 am

Obama is running out of excuses

Both sides are-

11 years of trying to solve the MidEast with many wasted, very important, lives and billions of very important $s

11 years of horrible mismanagement. If DC were a private company it would have been forced out of business. I would sign a petition now to allow Bill Clinton another 4 years- why not we aren’t letting the ol’ Constitution stop us from anything else.

BADA BING

June 24th, 2012
10:24 am

No, it’s dark brown with blonde highlights.

Erwin's cat

June 24th, 2012
10:26 am

tiredofIT

June 24th, 2012
10:27 am

Excellent album. I am gonna go grab by bongos.

carlosgvv

June 24th, 2012
10:39 am

Erwin’s cat – 10:26

It’s all academic anyway. It’s crystal clear no country is going to make any real effort to stop the emissions of greenhouse gasses. A number of climatologists said, over 10 years ago, that in 10 years(that’s now) we would reach a tipping point and a runaway greenhouse effect would start and could not be stopped no matter what we did. It would be gradual, the average temps would slowly rise, and eventually the surface would be uninhabitial. So, worrying about global warming is about as sensible as worrying about an outer space alien invasion. There’s nothing we can do.

Erwin's cat

June 24th, 2012
10:45 am

carlos “…A number of climatologists said, over 10 years ago,…”

I certainly agree with your second sentence “It’s crystal clear no country is going to make any real effort to stop the emissions of greenhouse gasses”

but my point is… what are they saying now?

JamVet

June 24th, 2012
10:46 am

Man, when I was about 12 this stuff flat knocked me out…

Maybe it’s my mistake
To show this love I feel inside

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV84grZ74fI

JamVet

June 24th, 2012
10:51 am

There’s nothing we can do.

Not according to yours truly. (Thanks in large part to George Harrison…)

Since our problems have been our own creation
They also can be overcome
When we use the power provided free to everyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS5UdS84mjQ

They BOTH suck

June 24th, 2012
10:51 am

carlosgvv

June 24th, 2012
10:51 am

Erwin’s cat – 10:45

The correct question is – what are the MAJORITY saying now?

Answer – what they’ve been saying all along.

Erwin's cat

June 24th, 2012
10:55 am

carlos – “The correct question is – what are the MAJORITY saying now?”

please don’t take away our govt funding :)

JamVet

June 24th, 2012
10:58 am

BOTH, sweeet.

That 1966 album really set the stage for their stellar career.

Hell, they were so righteous that they even covered Todd’s Hello It’s Me!

And in an age of racial rage that music really turned a lot of us kids onto something much bigger than staying struck in the hateful past…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w4XABFtwD0

Soothsayer

June 24th, 2012
10:59 am

Thank God! Bruno thinks I’m batshyte crazy. I was beginning to wonder about him!

Now, if I can just decipher his Anusaryan complex with the Frog Woman who was given double slits by the extra-terrestrial, then I will have learned the full measure of our learned colleague.

Who can know of these things except Bruno himself?

Erwin's cat

June 24th, 2012
11:02 am

They BOTH suck

June 24th, 2012
11:04 am

JamVet

June 24th, 2012
11:25 am

Whew doggie, the yard is mowed and I’m soaked.

As Rod Stewart sang…

My body stunk
But I kept my funk

LOL at me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bo5r2S5wxg

getalife

June 24th, 2012
12:32 pm

The cons won in Egypt.

Same as our cons just a different religion.

Harald Fairhair

June 24th, 2012
12:40 pm

Soothsayer

June 24th, 2012
12:45 pm

Well, gosh! getalife, who’d you thing they were going to elect? That’s the funny thing about democracy, the People decide who they want to govern them.

There’s only one possible solution now, and that is for Israel to invade.

210 more days

June 24th, 2012
12:46 pm

Come on Getalife, you can lie better than that
Are you ready for the storm coming.I mean the huricane?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
1:01 pm

BADA:

Where have you been ?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
1:03 pm

Bruno @ 1:14am

Again you are exactly on target …………. myself along with millions of other true believers throughout the history of Christiandom.

Thank you.

getalife

June 24th, 2012
1:03 pm

They are Egypt’s cons. Just the truth. I stay here for small hurricanes but the big ones, I go visit my brother in Dallas.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
1:04 pm

Headline: “Muslim Brotherhood Takes Egypt”

1) NEW PRESIDENT: OUR CAPITAL ‘SHALL BE JERUSALEM, ALLAH WILLING’…
2) Egyptian beats pregnant wife to death for not voting for Mursi…
3) Supporters mass, chant ‘Allahu Akbar!’

Be careful what you wish for …………. ARAB SPRING ! ………. thank you Obama.

BADA BING

June 24th, 2012
1:05 pm

0311…..i am always here, just had nothing to say, been pre-occupied.Things are going my way, and I am enjoying life. Hope things are good for you, too.

getalife

June 24th, 2012
1:07 pm

scout,

Our President had nothing to do with Egypt. Sad you support dictators and against freedom. The cons won there so you should be happy.

Matti

June 24th, 2012
1:12 pm

Yo Scoutmaster,

Re: Egypt… AS IF either side would have afforded women equality, legal protection from violence, and the right of self-determination. Dang, we don’t even have that here! Who the *BLEEP* do you think you’re kidding with that faux outrage?

JamVet

June 24th, 2012
1:13 pm

Obama started, ran and takes credit for this? ODS is truly debilitating…

The Arab Spring (Arabic: الثورات العربية‎ al-Thawrāt al-ʻArabiyyah; literally the Arabic Rebellion or the Arab Revolutions) is a revolutionary wave of demonstrations and protests occurring in the Arab world that began on 18 December 2010. To date, rulers have been forced from power in Tunisia,[1] Egypt,[2] Libya,[3] and Yemen;[4] civil uprisings have erupted in Bahrain[5] and Syria;[6] major protests have broken out in Algeria,[7] Iraq,[8] Jordan,[9] Kuwait,[10] and Morocco;[11] and minor protests have occurred in Bahrain, Lebanon,[12] Mauritania, Oman,[13] Saudi Arabia,[14] Sudan,[15] and Western Sahara,[16] as well as clashes at the borders of Israel in May 2011.[17] In neighboring Iran, a non-Arab country, protests by the Arab minority in Khuzestan erupted in 2011 as well.[18] Weapons from the Libyan civil war stoked a simmering rebellion in Mali, and the consequent Malian coup d’état has been described as “fallout” from the Arab Spring in North Africa.[19] The sectarian clashes in Lebanon were described as a direct result of the Syrian uprising and hence the regional Arab Spring.[20]

The protests have shared techniques of mostly civil resistance in sustained campaigns involving strikes, demonstrations, marches, and rallies, as well as the effective use of social media[21][22] to organize, communicate, and raise awareness in the face of state attempts at repression and Internet censorship.[23][24]

Many demonstrations have met violent responses from authorities,[25][26][27] as well as from pro-government militias and counter-demonstrators. These attacks have been answered with violence from protestors in some cases.[28][29][30] A major slogan of the demonstrators in the Arab world has been Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ an-niẓām (”the people want to bring down the regime”).

But even more telling, at least these people have the courage to stand up to injustice.

Occupy that, cowards…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
1:17 pm

JamVet:

As I said ………… be careful what you ask for when a bad regime is replaced by an even more sadistic one …………… stay tuned.

JamVet

June 24th, 2012
1:17 pm

All of the players were playing together
And all of the heavies were light as a feather

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dzZnNRJ2B0

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
1:17 pm

BADA:

Going very well !!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
1:18 pm

“Why Mitt Romney is Unlikable!

A lot is being said in the media about Mitt Romney not being
“likable” or that he doesn’t “relate” well to people. We struggled to
understand why…he is….. after all………drop dead handsome, has
a beautiful wife…..isn’t that enough to ensure popularity for most
Americans? So after much research, we have come up with a Top Ten list
to explain this unlikablility.

Top Ten Reasons To Dislike Mitt Romney

1. Successful, self-made businessman. (Dad didn’t give him a
hand-out…..he and Ann had to make it on their own)

2. Been married to ONE woman his entire life, and has been
FAITHFUL to her.

3. No scandals or skeletons in his closet. (How boring is that?)

4. Can’t speak in a fake southern black preacher voice when necessary.

5. Has pots of money (made it all himself) and since nobody
else in this country has any desire to have pots of money….we don’t
like him!!!

6. Has a family of great boys….none of them are in drug rehab.

7. Doesn’t smoke (even in secret), drink alcohol, or do drugs
( not even in college, where other people were NOT inhaling)

8. Represents an America of “yesterday”, where people believed
in God, went to Church, didn’t screw around, worked hard, and became a
SUCCESS! (We can’t relate to such an anachronism)

9. Oh yes…..he’s a MORMON. That horrible religion that
teaches it’s members to be clean-living, patriotic, fiscally
conservative, charitable, self-reliant, honest, upright and MORAL!

10. And one more point…..pundits say because of his wealth,
he can’t relate to ordinary Americans. I guess that’s because he made
that money ALL BY HIMSELF…..as opposed to marrying it (as in John
Kerry) or inheriting it from Dad (as in Jack, Robert & Ted Kennedy.)
We didn’t understand that actually working at a job and earning your
own money made you unrelatable to Americans.

Strange.”

JamVet

June 24th, 2012
1:21 pm

Scout, that you detest every single thing about this president is what drives you to write what you do.

Certainly not because you care a whit about ANY Muslim. Anywhere. At least in any post I’ve ever read from you on this forum. Am I wrong?

Apparently your religion commands that you degrade them, as you have innumerable times here…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szdKx9O31A0

Matti

June 24th, 2012
1:23 pm

Cleanup on Aisle 13! Depends blowout. Watch where you step.

getalife

June 24th, 2012
1:26 pm

willard is a weirdo.

Americans finally woke up to the fact that corporate controls everything in our country and willard is their leader.

JamVet

June 24th, 2012
1:28 pm

The worst government that dirty money can buy…

Washington (CNN) — Republican Rep. Vern Buchanan, a self-made Florida millionaire, is only in his third term in Congress, but he already is in charge of fundraising for the Republican Congressional Campaign Committee, and he sits on the powerful House Ways and Means committee.

But all that could be jeopardized. Federal investigations underway could result in Buchanan serving his next term behind bars.

CNN has confirmed there are no fewer than four congressional and federal investigations into Buchanan’s business practices, his campaign finances and his alleged attempt to try to stop a witness from talking.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/22/politics/congress-buchanan-allegations/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj-obJq7Wh8

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
1:40 pm

JamVet:

Yes ……….. I “hate” the great majority of his POLICIES just like you probably hated the great majority of Bush’s.

I “will” speak out.

“To date, rulers have been forced from power in Tunisia,[1] Egypt,[2] Libya,[3] and Yemen;[4] civil uprisings have erupted in Bahrain[5] and Syria;[6] major protests have broken out in Algeria,[7] Iraq,[8] Jordan,[9] Kuwait,[10] and Morocco;[11] and minor protests have occurred in Bahrain, Lebanon,[12] Mauritania, Oman,[13] Saudi Arabia,[14] Sudan,[15] and Western Sahara,[16] as well as clashes at the borders of Israel in May 2011.[17] In neighboring Iran, a non-Arab country, protests by the Arab minority in Khuzestan erupted in 2011 as well.[18] Weapons from the Libyan civil war stoked a simmering rebellion in Mali, and the consequent Malian coup d’état has been described as “fallout” from the Arab Spring in North Africa.[19] The sectarian clashes in Lebanon were described as a direct result of the Syrian uprising and hence the regional Arab Spring.[20]”

So what is REALLY happening here is that:

1) various forms of imperfect Middle Eastern/African governments (some of who were our “allies”) are being replaced ………

2) not by true democracies but Islamic fundamentalist regimes (far worse than their predecessors) …….

3) who will now work to unite under the banner of hate for all “truly” democratic forms of government …………..

4) and whose utlitmate purpose is the destruction of Israel and the submission of America.

If this is what you wanted ………… it’s on its way and you should be proud.

I for one will resist it.

getalife

June 24th, 2012
1:41 pm

Reporters should investigate unlimited bribes because there are scandals coming that are revolutionary.

When both parties fight for these unlimited bribes, it is silly being a blind partisan tool like scout.

I am starting to see these facts on drudge link comments.

Matti

June 24th, 2012
1:52 pm

JamVet,

I *think* what Scout is trying to explain is that women would rather be raped, beaten, and denied rights by the uniformed leaders and soldiers of military dictatorships, than to be sold as children to be raped in the context of “marriage” and then mutilated when they disobey, as per fundamentalist (insert a religion) law.

Is that right, Scoutmaster? How noble of you to resist!!!

getalife

June 24th, 2012
1:58 pm

Egypt is divided like our country and the cons won over the moderates.

scout is a con resisting cons.

Too funny.

getalife

June 24th, 2012
2:12 pm

Are you resisting because of religion scout?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
2:25 pm

Matti:

“Noble” ?

How naive of “you” !

And …………… I have risked my life in a foreign country to resist that type of evil against humanity on behalf of others I didn’t even know.

Have you?

Out for the afternoon ………….. everyone be nice.

Milo83

June 24th, 2012
2:34 pm

“The cons won in Egypt.”

“Same as our cons just a different religion.”

BS!

Muslim Brotherhood A “Reasonable Organization” Of Community Organizers

Same with Hamas.

getalife

June 24th, 2012
2:39 pm

The only difference is religion.

The MB is their tea party..

scout knows.

carlosgvv

June 24th, 2012
2:40 pm

Scout – 1:17 – “a bad regime is replaced by an even more sadistic one’

The first time that happened in my life was when Castro took over Cuba. It’s been happening here and there ever since. We, the US, can only do so much. Our insistance on being the world’s policeman is an illusion that just won’t die with so many of our politicians. Only the Military-Industrial Complex wins. Hmmmmmm – lets see, the Military-Industrial Complex makes tons of money – they fund Republican election and re-election campaigns – in return Republicans keep us in wars. No end in sight to endless wars.

getalife

June 24th, 2012
2:42 pm

The Saudis can bribe them for more war.

bman

June 24th, 2012
2:43 pm

All of the pictures I have seen of the Egypt election results show the women crying (not tears of joy) and the men celebrating. Why?

Erwin's cat

June 24th, 2012
2:46 pm

and all this by accident?…or the peoples will….try again!

JamVet

June 24th, 2012
2:48 pm

…not by true democracies but Islamic fundamentalist regimes (far worse than their predecessors) …….

who will now work to unite under the banner of hate for all “truly” democratic forms of government …………..

and whose utlitmate purpose is the destruction of Israel and the submission of America.

Where did you hear that? I find it very unlikely that you can prove any of those assertions. Or even make a compelling case.

You write in sweeping, simplistic generalizations. And proffer opinion as fact. In other words, I do not believe you and do not think you know your elbow from your _______ on these revolutions. No details, no evidence, no data, no facts. Just slogans that you heard from Rush and Sean.

You have not informed yourself about any of the details of these uprisings to any significant degree.

You cannot name the players, the differing issues or the varying reasons for the uprisings in any of these multitude of nations. Yet you write as though you are some expert with some great mastery of knowledge on the Middle East, who can lump everyone and everything together.

I get it. You are terrified of and detest all Muslims. To you the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. You make no distinctions whatsoever.

Erwin's cat

June 24th, 2012
3:04 pm

like marriage…democracy isn’t for everyone

josef

June 24th, 2012
3:05 pm

Egypt’s is by no means a done deal. Anybody, including the Muslim Brotherhood and the Islamacist parties who think that their military will sit back and watch have not themselves been paying close attention. The Muslim Brotherhood et al. may have pulled the plurality, but the military’s candidate made a good showing and gave them a much needed “gauge” of how much support they can bank on. The secularists remain a force to be contended with in Egypt and they will take a military coup government over the Islamacists any day of the week.

I heard an Egyptian commentator saying the other day that neither “side” wanted to be in power since then they’d have to produce results and they can create a lot more havoc out of power.

Erwin's cat

June 24th, 2012
3:07 pm

a reasonable possibility josef…I haven’t see white smoke yet

They BOTH suck

June 24th, 2012
3:13 pm

josef

Nice assessment. I do think the constant BS about “thanks Obama” that comes from some on this blog is about as ignorant and uninformed as it comes. Driven for the most part by politics and disdain for the “Mooslem” Kenyan in the WH.

What was he or the US to do? Tell Mubarak to crack as many heads as you want: fundamentalists or secularists it is ok. Same people who were good with the way it is in Egypt are the some of the same crying like babies when we didn’t intervene in Iran, like the US was really going to do anything in Iran outside of the covert operations that are already in place. Well we did look the other way when it came to the Saudis.

It is a mess and will continue to be one.

getalife

June 24th, 2012
3:14 pm

The cons should chant with them.

God is great they chant.

Just a different religion.

getalife

June 24th, 2012
3:18 pm

Thank the man that set himself on fire in Tunisia.

Tunisia is sending back the Libyan pm back to Libya.

The Saudis just bribe their people like they can bribe our pols for war in Iran to start WWIII.

Erwin's cat

June 24th, 2012
3:20 pm

get…are you mad at G-d?

Dyslexic

June 24th, 2012
3:24 pm

Dog is great.

josef

June 24th, 2012
3:26 pm

Right now, I’m far more concerned about the heightening tensions between Syria and Turkey. From what we’ve heard, Turkey is pacing its reaction but making it clear that there’s a limit of what they will take if/when it begins to spill over their border. The Turks are poised and ready to take the leading role in things that direction.

There has been an interesting series of articles in the NYT in which the writer was making the point that in the outward look of the disenchanted youth in Iran, they are looking to Turkey as their model for “how to” move an Islamic society into the modern world. A move by Turkey against Iran’s last remaining client state would not resonate well there and, as wacky as the Ayotollahs are, they know from past experience that their own days are numbered as their youth have not bought their brand of governance and social control…

getalife

June 24th, 2012
3:27 pm

cat,

Not at all.

My point is our cons act like their cons.

War on women.

Religion used to hate others.

My way or the highway.

Etc……

They BOTH suck

June 24th, 2012
3:32 pm

josef

With an a/c shot down, they are not going to play nice for long

Erwin's cat

June 24th, 2012
3:37 pm

there’s a real war o?n women there….you really compare that to left rhetoric

getalife

June 24th, 2012
3:38 pm

getalife

June 24th, 2012
3:40 pm

cat,

We have progressed more .

JamVet

June 24th, 2012
3:42 pm

We always have the time to quarrel
About such problems as money and war
Let’s put it off until tomorrow
Who needs another dose of sorrow?

It don’t necessitate an act of faith
To chant for love
What alibi is strong enough to wait
To chant for love

Though we don’t hold the reigns of power
Somebody else seems to be in control
We mustn’t waste another hour
We’ll get directly to the soul
If we can

Chant
For a world united
Chant
For a world that’s dying for love

The Hare Krishna plays a drum and bell
When he chants for love
The tribal priest is afraid of hell
So he chants for love

I am not pushing some religion
Don’t get me wrong,
I never mess with such things
Just be true to your own vision
This is your personal decision

The Dervish spins to a “Hu Hu Hu”
When he chants for love
Nobody knows what the angels do
When they chant for love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViuTCBorqtk

JamVet

June 24th, 2012
3:50 pm

Never been near a university,
Never took a paper or a learned degree,
And some of your friends think that’s stupid of me,
But it’s nothing that I care about.

Well I don’t know how to tell the weight of the sun,
And of mathematics well I want none,
And I may be the Mayor of Simpleton,
But I know one thing,
And that’s I love you.
When their logic grows cold and all thinking gets done,
You’ll be warm in the arms of the Mayor of Simpleton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Da9sc6YDBo&feature=related

josef

June 24th, 2012
3:54 pm

getalife

Thanks for the link…read the synopsis and will be giving the talking heads clip more attention as time permits…I’m always interested in the al Jazeera take,,,

getalife

June 24th, 2012
3:56 pm

pogo

June 24th, 2012
4:04 pm

The Arab spring has now officially become a nightmare. Remember how the liberals applauded it and Obama promoted it? The new Egyptianleader is saying he is going to make Jerusalem the Muslim capital. Modern liberals and radicals aren’t nearly savvy as the 60’s crowd. In fact, they are downright naive and don’t understand how serious the times are. Egypt is a proof enough of this.

getalife

June 24th, 2012
4:10 pm

pogo,

The military is still in power there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVmG_d3HKBA

josef

June 24th, 2012
4:15 pm

getalife

Thanks for the update…it appears that Turkey is being rational and not saber rattling…

POGO, et al…

The “make Jerusalem the capital” is a rhetorical stance that plays well in certain segments of the population, but the military would not “go there.” Keeping the peace with Israel is what keeps their good thing going with US aid, and even the more conservative elements of the Islamacists know that and aren’t willing to do more than give lip service to any such quijotic adventure. They know which side their domestic budget bread is buttered on.

josef

June 24th, 2012
4:23 pm

BOTH

I would agree on “with an a/c being shot down” but at the same time, I do think the Turks, being rational, are willing to accept an “ooops, sorry about that, our mistake” from the Syrians at present and, given that tensions are high in the area and that the Syrian regime is not out to pick a fight with somebody who could squash them like a pesky mosquito should they find the need…secondly the Turkish military is the voice of and protector of the ideals of Ataturk and the current government has to walk a thin line with them. If they tell Gul to back off, Gul will back off. If they tell Gul they’re going in, Gul will put his and his government’s seal of approval on it in a heartbeat, in my opinion. And the Turkish military won’t move until NATO says so. This is not Cyprus.

getalife

June 24th, 2012
4:50 pm

The new government in Greece stops the austerity to give them a chance to make it.

They screwed up with austerity and the banks are running out of money.

Turkey is being very cautious but that might have been a test on Syria’s Russian air defense system for another no fly zone mission.

It is going to be a wild year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3yJ5akh9L8&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL4EA845D98E7085AB

bluecoat

June 24th, 2012
4:57 pm

If you listen you can hear the Muslim Brotherhood bringing peace to that part of the country.They live in peace and harmony and would never harm others.

stands for decibels

June 24th, 2012
5:04 pm

I know we’re mostly past the spiritual in this thread, but for this drive-by, I can’t believe I neglected to link this one, from Ray Davie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcjVSEcpO3A

I too, don’t believe that “God is a man with white hair, sitting in a big chair, judging the world and its faults, forgiving today so we can sin again tomorrow.”

YMMV.

stands for decibels

June 24th, 2012
5:04 pm

Davie? sheesh. Davies. (pronounced “Davis,” of course.)

later!

pogo

June 24th, 2012
5:10 pm

In his desperation, now Obama is asking that newlyweds tell their friends to donate money to his campaign instead of getting wedding gifts. God-all-mighty, has this man no shame? Besides, how many newlyweds, democrat or not, are going to do this? The answer is zero. The amateur is once again demonstrating exactly the point of the book of that name.

JamVet

June 24th, 2012
5:44 pm

stands, loved that Ray Davies. Killer lyrics, killer music.

I suppose that a lot of the Nixon types were too hung up to ever read this magazine, but lemme tell you squares that it was the bomb of it’s day and was at least ten years ahead of it’s time.

Between it, Rolling Stone and Melody Maker, I didn’t need no Time, Newsweek or Reader’s Digest!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Creem-Magazine-July-1981-AC-DC-Rundgren-XTC-Dave-Edmunds-Ely-Velvet-Underground-/130677620982

Golden country your face is so red
With all of your money your poor can be fed
You strut around and you flirt with disaster
Never really carin’ just what comes after
Well your blacks are dyin’ but your back is still turned
And your freaks are cryin’ but your back is still turned
You better stop your hidin or your country will burn
The time has come for you my friend
To all this ugliness we must put an end
Before we leave we must make a stand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3VqY9dp8SE

getalife

June 24th, 2012
5:45 pm

Going to be a good week for corporate power.

Health care law and student loans.

The people stand no chance.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
5:50 pm

pogo:

You had better be careful or the all caring, forgiving, tolerant liberals on here will hate you (not just the opinion you are entitled to) as much as they hate me. It’s just the way libs. are ………. emotional.

Teaparty: rallies, speeches, picnics, family events, non-provacative to law enforcement, respect others property and clean up their area.

Occupy Movement: Demonstrations, nasty rhetoric, planned confrontations with police, destructive of others’ property and leave a sickening, bio-hazard mess behind.

bman

June 24th, 2012
6:02 pm

pogo .. .. i don’t believe that

getalife

June 24th, 2012
6:06 pm

tea party are getting the cold shoulder from the gop.

They should fight it out at the convention but the gop will probably bribe them to get in line with corporate power and spending.

If it aint one thing it is another !!!!!

June 24th, 2012
6:17 pm

How does one hate someone they do not even know?

Are we to assume that there was a fondness, likability or love at one point? Maybe it is an indifference and that is what the claimant is unable to comprehend.

When one equates hate on a blog mainly because they are unable to cope with differing opinions and even facts that challenge their view point, it might be time for some self evaluation. Sounds like self pity, but I will hold judgment at this point in time.

josef

June 24th, 2012
6:28 pm

One Thing or Another:

We do seem to have a bumper crop of self pity this season on the blog.

JamVet

June 24th, 2012
6:36 pm

as much as they hate me. It’s just the way libs. are ………. emotional.

LOL. You suffer from delusions of relevance.

You make silly statements designed to intentionally misinform and when challenged/corrected you get your fee fees hurt.

Speaking of grand sweeping generalizations and childish stereotypes:

Occupy Movement: Demonstrations, nasty rhetoric, planned confrontations with police, destructive of others’ property and leave a sickening, bio-hazard mess behind.

At least you have dropped the Occutard stupidity…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL0T_lkBkOg

Orange 12

June 24th, 2012
6:39 pm

If it aint one thing it is another !!!!!

June 24th, 2012
6:45 pm

Those who are apt to post with a ‘matter of fact’ attitude are also some of the same individuals who get upset and even angry when they are addressed in the same way.

Guess they do not like the medicine that they so willingly administer to others.

josef

June 24th, 2012
6:55 pm

ORANGE

My Granny taught me the proper thing to do when you come visiting is to bring something to help stretch the hosts’ resources since you are imposing on their hospitality…

Orange 12

June 24th, 2012
7:05 pm

Josef,

All I am saying is – Isn’t that a portion of an extreme Northern state? You know. One of the states he has all wrapped up?

josef

June 24th, 2012
7:12 pm

Orange…

Well, you know them New Englanders are tight with a dollar and not real charitable…lowest in the nation in percent of their income donated to charitable causes…I guess they ain’t feelin’ real charitable toward Obama… wonder what they’ll charge their next door neighbor if he comes calling… :-)

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 24th, 2012
7:31 pm

If It Ain’t@6:17, it is not, I think, about hating. It seems more about the lack of respect that some of us show to others of us here. I simply do not appreciate the level of vitriol spewed by some. Ergo, I have opted to scroll on by those posters. I am here because it mostly fun & enlightening. And if I want to get mad, I’ll watch Faux News. :)

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June 24th, 2012
7:32 pm

pogo:

See …………………… :o

P.S.

Tea Party vs. Occupy Movement continued:

http://toddkinsey.com/blog/2011/10/10/tea-party-vs-occupy-wall-street-in-pictures/ (PHOTOS)

http://urbangrounds.com/2011/11/tea-vs-ows-checklist/ (CHECKLIST)

Mighty Righty

June 24th, 2012
7:43 pm

With Obama’s poll numbers in a free fall it is no wonder he and/or the secret service are taking extra precautions to protect his safety. One would think he would be relatively safe around a hispanic audience. But then, maybe not.
LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. –

Friday afternoon, guests heard an unusual announcement that they needed to hand over their silverware for security reasons.

“It’s very important that you use your utensils as soon as possible,” National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials board member Raquel Regalado told about 1000 delegates at the group’s annual conference.

Regalado hurried the diners to finish up their salads and pre-cut chicken breasts, saying that the Secret Service required that there be no knives at the tables and that the forks be rounded up before Obama entered the room.

Tundra Dude

June 24th, 2012
7:46 pm

Orange 12

June 24th, 2012
6:39 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/24/new-hampshire-town-asks-obama-campaign-to-pay-for-costs-upcoming-visit/

Although I am voting Republican, I still consider this a bit over the top.

What galls me, is any prez campaigning while on the clock. Let them do it after reg working hours and on weekends,

vuduchld

June 24th, 2012
7:49 pm

On a TV station in Charleston, SC back in 1972 there was a commerical for 2 LP’s, one was Rio Grande Mud by ZZ Top, the other Caravanseri. I was 14 back then and I was intrigued by the visual nature of both LP’s, especially the latter. Little did I know that forty years later, both of these works would form the core, the essence of my musical being. Caravanseri is a musical journey, three years ago I donated my original copy to the Salavation Army and I now have the CD which I play to this day. An even more spirtual LP is what has come to be known as Santana’s greatest work, Lotus. Earlier today I was watching MTV Jams, all I could do was sit there and laugh at the buffonery and foolishness that music has become. Thank God for Caravanseri!!!

getalife

June 24th, 2012
7:54 pm

I remember the tea party spitting on folks and yelling at a guy in a wheel chair.

Talk about bringing their guns next time made me crack up.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
7:56 pm

Always exceptions ……………. it’s the volume and overall content/personnel we are talking about.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
7:57 pm

“This could be the “bloodiest month yet” for Christians – if one Islamic terror group has its way.

Nigerian Islamic terror group Boko Haram said it is commissioning 300 suicide bombers to spur a Christian bloodbath.”

getalife

June 24th, 2012
8:04 pm

New Hampshire wants some of those unlimited donations.

Elections are a billion dollar industry.

JamVet

June 24th, 2012
8:05 pm

Between 2007 and 2010, the American middle class lost 40% of their assets.

And there are now more working poor people living in the suburbs than in the cities.

Time to adjust your stereotypes, neocons…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
8:08 pm

Talk about “doublespeak”

NBC: “Mohammed Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood-backed candidate, was declared Egypt’s first Islamist president on Sunday with 51.7 percent of last weekend’s run-off vote, defeating Ahmed Shafiq, who had been tapped as prime minister by former President Hosni Mubarak.”

1) “He has also pledged to form an inclusive government to appeal to the many Egyptians, including a large Christian minority worried about potential religious rule. He has repeated that he would maintain his independence from the Brotherhood and not turn Egypt into a theocracy.”

2) “On the campaign trail, he promised to institute Islamic law.”

P.S.

“Iran’s Foreign Ministry congratulated Egyptians on Sunday for Morsi’s victory, saying Egypt was in the final stages of an “Islamic Awakening.”

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
8:26 pm

josef:

I know you are not “speaking to me” but I felt you would want to see this anyway.

Just focus on the O.T. part ………. that’s why I forwarded it.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/author-bible-predicted-date-of-israels-return/

They BOTH suck

June 24th, 2012
9:18 pm

What will time tell us?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congress doesn’t have any evidence so far of a White House cover-up involving a botched gun-tracking operation, a top Republican said Sunday, countering the House speaker’s assertion that President Barack Obama or his aides deliberately misled lawmakers.

“No we don’t,” said Rep. Darrell Issa, R.-Calif., in response to a question on “Fox News Sunday” about whether lawmakers had proof now to back Speaker John Boehner’s claim about White House officials’ involvement.

http://news.yahoo.com/issa-no-evidence-far-white-house-cover-141247808.html

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
9:50 pm

They BOTH suck:

It’s the “coverup” rather than the initial incident that always gets folks in trouble. They NEVER learn.

They BOTH suck

June 24th, 2012
9:53 pm

Scout

That is true. Arrogance runs rampant in DC.

getalife

June 24th, 2012
10:41 pm

I am scared of the Mormon Brotherhood trying to win the WH.

Oscar

June 24th, 2012
10:44 pm

If the Mormon Brotherhood wins will they repaint the White House in Mormon colors?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
11:03 pm

How many have the Mormons beheaded lately ?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 24th, 2012
11:04 pm

“On the campaign trail, he promised to institute Islamic law.” YEP !

On the campaign trail, he promised to institue Mormon law. NOPE !

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June 24th, 2012
11:09 pm

Name me one city, county or state that lives under Mormon Law (hint: The U.S. Supreme Court and our Constitution will not allow that) and I will provide you with a very lenghty list of whole countries who live under Islamic Law.

Oh, here it is. I’ll give it to you upfront !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_country_legal_systems

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 25th, 2012
1:25 am

Hi, Josef & Oscar, just woke up from a little nap in my chair & am headed to bed. Got to thinking about Bruno’s question earlier about who’s craziest on the blog. Maybe another question/contest might be who is most mean-spirited? Yes, I have a few in mind, but will leave it for now. Goodnight. :)

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 25th, 2012
4:56 am

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 25th, 2012
6:18 am

Good, Good Vibrations to all y’all…

This is what “The Right” REALLY believes… :lol:

http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/06/23/political-pictures-machiavellis-students/

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 25th, 2012
6:22 am

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 25th, 2012
6:25 am

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 25th, 2012
6:48 am

Normal – 6:25 – a vote Schnookums is a vote for a semi-gutted mouse in every pot

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 25th, 2012
6:52 am

USinUK,

I have it on good authority that Schnookums will legalize Cat nip too…

Peadawg

June 25th, 2012
6:57 am

Is today the day?

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 25th, 2012
7:23 am

hahaha … I remember how my cat used to be on the nip

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 25th, 2012
7:30 am

Pdawg – when you live every day to the fullest, EVERY day is the day …

;-)

stands for decibels

June 25th, 2012
7:43 am

This is what “The Right” REALLY believes…

funny pic, but…

Naw, for them to believe that? It would require acknowledging that Obama might be to the right of much of his constituency. Have you ever heard anyone on the right acknowledging as much?

stands for decibels

June 25th, 2012
7:47 am

Oh dear. Well, thanks ajc for your goofy “from around the web” links, because I actually did want to know who’d be playing Patti in the biopic.

http://fashion.elle.com/culture/2012/06/05/one-rock-legends-daughter-to-play-another-rock-legend/?src=sem&mag=elm&dom=out

It’s going to be awfully difficult for me to watch, since I’ll probably spend at least half the movie pointing out the anachronisms and the other half wincing at the miscasting. Those who weren’t around at the time and place it’s set will probably have a rollicking good time though.

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
7:47 am

It looks like its already shaping up to be a disastrous week for Oblama. Wonder who he’s gonna blame for it? Can’t wait for Bookman’s duck and dodge….

Rightwing Troll

June 25th, 2012
7:50 am

“You had better be careful or the all caring, forgiving, tolerant liberals on here will hate you (not just the opinion you are entitled to) as much as they hate me.”

It’s not your opinions… it’s your hypocrisy.

Give us a bible verse that justify’s our “hate” for you… Or can you only dish out bible verses that justify conservative hate?

Rightwing Troll

June 25th, 2012
7:52 am

The five D’s.. dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge!
– Patches O’Houlihan

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 25th, 2012
7:52 am

Joseph

June 25th, 2012
7:47 am

Thanks to Jay and the First Amendment you have the right to blog here and say what “you can’t wait” for…but never assume that anybody really cares what you think, say or do.

No hard feelings, but I just wanted to get that out there.

Doggone/GA

June 25th, 2012
7:55 am

“Thanks to Jay and the First Amendment you have the right to blog here ”

Nope, it’s only thanks to Jay. There is no first amendment right to free speech on a private blog.

stands for decibels

June 25th, 2012
7:55 am

It looks like its already shaping up to be a disastrous week

Joseph, the only thing we know about this week, is that you’re going to be schlepping fetid conservative swamp water in a leaky bucket from one thread to the next, and that nobody will give a good crap about anything you post, save for its comedy value, and that no matter how badly your rear end has been bloodied, you’ll claim victory.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

June 25th, 2012
8:12 am

Stands,

Classic prose…yes, fetid swamp water is what both parties schlep…neither moreso than the other…can anyone really prove otherwise?

Tundra Dude

June 25th, 2012
8:31 am

Yoseph the Yawner wrote:
It looks like its already shaping up to be a disastrous week for Oblama

Wishful thinking.
tip: Don’t rush out and buy pom-poms just yet. Galllup poll’s 3-day ave approval rating was 51%.
If it dips into the 30’s, that triggers a Buy_ on pom-poms.
(my 2 farthings from the Tundra)

stands for decibels

June 25th, 2012
8:43 am

Classic prose…yes, fetid swamp water is what both parties schlep…

If that’s what you choose to focus on, and you’re looking for an example, you’ll surely find one.

I think such “both parties do this thing” arguments ring rather hollow when you’re trying to look big-picture. We have to make choices about which candidate or referendum measure are going to either a) nudge us in the right direction or, sometimes b) keep us from being nudged too far in the wrong direction.

You rarely get to vote for what you actually want.

headin’ upstairs.