Romney dawdles and ducks on immigration

Mitt Romney spoke today to the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, where he was expected to finally take a position on President Obama’s recent decision not to deport illegal immigrants who were brought here as children and are now seeking an education or serving in the military.

The remarks were much-anticipated. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, for example, has been saying this week that he didn’t want to take a position on Obama’s move until Romney had done so, explaining that Romney “is the leader of our party from now until November.”

However, Romney’s speech did nothing to clarify his position, as you can see for yourself:

“For two years, this president had huge majorities in the House and Senate – he was free to pursue any policy he pleased. But he did nothing to advance a permanent fix for our broken immigration system. Instead, he failed to act until facing a tough re-election and trying to secure your vote.

Last week, the president finally offered a temporary measure that he seems to think will be just enough to get him through the election. After three and a half years of putting every issue from
loan guarantees for his donors to Cash For Clunkers before immigration, now the president has been seized by an overwhelming need to do what he could have done on Day One. I think you deserve better.

Some people have asked if I will let stand the president’s executive action. The answer is that I will put in place my own long-term solution that will replace and supersede the president’s temporary measure.

As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution. I will prioritize measures that strengthen legal immigration and make it easier. And I will address the problem of illegal immigration in a civil but resolute manner.”

I’m sure McConnell and his fellow Republicans appreciate the clear, “resolute” roadmap drawn for them by their party’s nominee.

In the primaries, of course, Romney had no such problem with clarity.

As usual with Romney, it is also necessary to point out that the words in his speech had only the vaguest of relationships to the truth. For example, he claims that for his first three and a half years as president, Obama “did nothing to advance a permanent fix for our broken immigration system.”

In 2010, and at Obama’s insistence, Democrats in both the House and Senate pushed passage of the so-called DREAM Act. The measure passed the House 216-198, although only eight Republicans supported it. It also drew strong majority support in the Senate, 55-41, but because Republicans had invoked the filibuster rule, it fell short of the 60 votes required for passage.

Only three Republican senators dared to vote to override that filibuster. Let’s take a look at their fate, shall we?

– At the time of the vote, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska had just been re-elected as a write-in candidate after being rejected as insufficiently conservative by GOP primary voters in her state.

– Bob Bennett of Utah had also been defeated earlier that year in a GOP primary, again on grounds that he had been insufficiently conservative.

– Richard Lugar of Indiana was defeated this year in a Republican primary, again because he was considered insufficiently conservative.

In other words, there is no chance whatsoever that Republican leaders — terrified of their base — will gather the courage necessary to address this issue. But they are indulging in hypocrisy of the highest order in an attempt to disguise that reality.

For example, House Speaker John Boehner had the gall this week to complain that by taking executive action, Obama had short-circuited any chance of congressional action on the DREAM act:

“It puts everyone in a difficult position. I think we all have concerns for those who are caught in this trap, who through no fault of their own are here. But the president’s actions are going to make it much more difficult for us to work in a bipartisan way to get to a permanent solution.”

Note Boehner’s expression of deep, humane concern “for those who are caught in this trap, who through no fault of their own are here.” Note his yearning for “a bipartisan way to get to a permanent solution.” I tell you, it almost brought tears to my eyes.

Then note the GOP’s overwhelmingly rejection of the DREAM act in 2010, led by Boehner. Note Romney’s promise to veto such legislation should it ever reach his desk as president. Note what happened to Rick Perry in the GOP presidential primaries after he defended a Texas version of the DREAM act.

The truth is, there is no give on this issue among Republicans. None. The party has taken an absolutist position and has badly punished any of its own who has dared to challenge that absolute. And while this predicament may be frustrating for party leaders, it is a predicament of their own making. The animus that they helped to generate within their base as a means of building voter loyalty has now become real and heartfelt, and as a result it is now impossible for them to make the adjustments needed for the long-term health of their party and the long-term health of this country.

– Jay Bookman

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Rightwing Troll

June 21st, 2012
3:27 pm

Mittens… the regular guy “leader” who leads from behind… he etch-a-sketched his way right to the front of this issue, didn’t he? Pass those cheesy grits my way…

Jerome Horwitz

June 21st, 2012
3:27 pm

Also Romney fails to mention that Congress couldn’t pass legislation when they controlled the White House and had Democrats on board. Oh well.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

June 21st, 2012
3:28 pm

bu…bu…bu….Obammma wah wah

dam, somebody beat me to it. One post. New record. I win office pool.

carlosgvv

June 21st, 2012
3:28 pm

It looks as though the Republicans will concede the Latino vote to the Democrats. The question is why? Are they doing this because they are “terrifed of their base”? Or, have they done the math and concluded Romney can be elected without any significant Lation support? Inquiring minds await an answer to these questions.

Cutty

June 21st, 2012
3:28 pm

Jay

June 21st, 2012
3:28 pm

0311, if you want to invite people down your little rabbit holes, at least have the courtesy of letting others try to address the topic at hand first.

Rightwing Troll

June 21st, 2012
3:29 pm

Hmmm… there was a Scout retread post up there when I started typing, then it was gone.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
3:29 pm

“For two years, this president had huge majorities in the House and Senate – he was free to pursue any policy he pleased. But he did nothing to advance a permanent fix for our broken immigration system.

Wow.

This has been ignored since St. Ronnie-of-the-RayGun’s 1986 amnesty

stands for decibels

June 21st, 2012
3:30 pm

Only three Republican senators dared to vote to override that filibuster. Let’s take a look at their fate, shall we?

let’s see, I’m Mitt, and I’m confronted with this…

“Can’t we just turn the page, as your President likes to say. heh heh.”

Does that work?

Alabama the Heart of Dixie

June 21st, 2012
3:30 pm

Alabama’s revised immigration law sets a bad example

The changes came during a special session in which Gov. Robert J. Bentley had sought to soften the law by removing some of its worst provisions, several of which have led to federal lawsuits. The Justice Department has already sued the state, as it has Arizona, arguing that the law interferes with the federal government’s sole authority to regulate immigration. But state Sen. Scott Beason and state Rep. Micky Hammon chose to ignore the more moderate voices, including law enforcement groups and farmers, who rightfully worry that the law is harming, not helping, the state. Those fears are well-founded. Since the law was passed, growers have reported labor shortages that have led to rotting crops and financial losses.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765579202/Alabamas-revised-immigration-law-sets-a-bad-example.html?pg=all

Atlanta Mom

June 21st, 2012
3:30 pm

Welcome back Jay.

stands for decibels

June 21st, 2012
3:31 pm

elected without any significant Lation support?

Laotian? (As in, “My Bonnie is a Laotian?”)

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 21st, 2012
3:31 pm

Romney’s whole facade is going to break apart during the debates when he has to choose a side on issues.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
3:32 pm

Jerome Horwitz :

“Also Romney fails to mention that Congress couldn’t pass legislation when they controlled the White House and had Democrats on board.Oh well.”

Don’t do that. The libs. on here won’t like you.

Rightwing Troll

June 21st, 2012
3:32 pm

Boner says:
“It puts everyone in a difficult position. I think we all have concerns for those who are caught in this trap, who through no fault of their own are here.”

Hmmmpphhh… pishposh… since when? Last friday? You Lie!!!!

kitty

June 21st, 2012
3:32 pm

The GOP is handing the Latino vote to Obama, guess they don’t like Latinos…pretty obvious that….not white old and ignorant you can’t be a Republican…notice I said nothing about conservative. Today’s GOP is just stupid and short sighted. All I can say is good. Losers.

Jay

June 21st, 2012
3:32 pm

To his credit, Kam, George W. also tried to address the issue, but was blocked by the intransigence of his own party.

The idea that Romney, who shows no willingness whatsoever to challenge his party’s base, would even attempt such a thing is ludicrous.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
3:32 pm

carlosgvv — “It looks as though the Republicans will concede the Latino vote to the Democrats. The question is why? Are they doing this because they are “terrifed of their base”? Or, have they done the math and concluded Romney can be elected without any significant Lation support? Inquiring minds await an answer to these questions.”

I suspect it’s because they want the votes without actually having to *do* anything for them or having to listen to the concerns and issues of Latino voters.

Not being willing to listen or do anything, the next logical conclusion is that they’re not getting those votes, at least not in any significant numbers. I suspect those grapes are quite sour to the GOP.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 21st, 2012
3:32 pm

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
3:33 pm

“In 2010, and at Obama’s insistence, Democrats in both the House and Senate pushed passage of the so-called DREAM Act.”

Rather disingenuous, I’d say. I would have opposed the DREAM act (as stand alone legislation) as well, because it is NOT comprehensive immigration reform but rather a band-aid applied with political intent. I would have said “make that part of a much larger and comprehensive bill and I’ll seriously consider it. It would appear by this that the Obama administration was more interested in scoring political points than in solving a problem. Obama has PLEDGED immigration reform in his 2008 campaign and later on as well but instead worked tirelessly to pass comprehensive health care reform (which PROVES he was capable of pursuing comprehensive reform legislation). What, his administration could not spin two plates at the same time.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
3:33 pm

0311 — “Headline: Jay addresses 0311 !”

You certainly seem excited over being told to pipe down.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 21st, 2012
3:34 pm

My take?

Romney dawdles and ducks…everything!

Don't tread

June 21st, 2012
3:36 pm

“Romney dawdles and ducks on immigration”

Well, at least he’s not saluting corruption.

Jay

June 21st, 2012
3:36 pm

Oh please, Crier.

Senate Republicans squashed the Dream Act, probably the least controversial and most popular piece of immigration reform, and you want to condemn Obama for not trying to pass the whole thing? Exactly how far do you think THAT would have gotten?

That’s just thick with hypocrisy.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
3:38 pm

Jay:

This gentleman seems to disagree with you:

Headline: “Romney Gets Specific On Immigration Reform At Hispanic Leadership Conference”

“What’s more, Romney made the case for lasting, legislative compromise on immigration. Perhaps a plan to court lawmakers in order to achieve lasting change, as opposed to executive fiat, is just a passé concept for some.

I suspect that this speech will not win over Romney’s critics on immigration reform. Nor will it win the plaudits of the many Hispanic organizations that remain deeply wedded to their Democratic partners, whose legislatively-bestowed patronage has been so good to their leaders over the decades. But the average Latino voter is another story.

“We can do better,” was Romney’s message today. I suspect that Latino voters know he is right.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/romney-gets-specific-on-immigration-reform-at-hispanic-leadership-conference/

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
3:39 pm

Don’t tread :

LOL !

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
3:39 pm

“Let me entertain you!” – Mitt

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
3:39 pm

“The idea that Romney, who shows no willingness whatsoever to challenge his party’s base, would even attempt such a thing is ludicrous.”

Whatever Romney will do if elected, I cannot envisage him handling the economy worse than Obama and at least he will not nominate justices who belong to the Derrida school of textual interpretation (can you say “penumbras” and “emanations”?) but instead will confine themselves to the meaning of the Constitution intended by its authors and ratifiers. I will vote for him on that consideration alone.

Talking Head

June 21st, 2012
3:40 pm

“It looks as though the Republicans will concede the Latino vote to the Democrats. The question is why?”

It puzzles me why libs throw out statements like these to make an argument. Why would Latino’s automatically vote Democrat because Republican are against backdoor amnesty and trying to enforce illegal immigration measures? Wouldn’t those with a Latino background whether they were born here, have multiple generations here, or immigrated here legally side more with Republicans stance on keeping illegal immigrants out? Why would someone who fought to get here the legal way be in support of those who are cheating the system?

carlosgvv

June 21st, 2012
3:41 pm

Stands – 3:31

For some time now I’ve been worried about people like you who want to post here but just don’t have the sufficent intellect to post anything worth reading. But, now I feel better!! I realize there’s actually something you can do. You can proof read and catch any spelling errors.

I think it’s just so precious that dimwits like you can actually find something here to do. I guess it makes your zoo job of assistant Elephant s*it shoveler go a little quicker.

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
3:41 pm

“I write fiction.” – Mitt

?????????

June 21st, 2012
3:43 pm

“Senate Republicans squashed the Dream Act”

Jay, you are so full of $hit it isn’t even funny. You act as if the GOP controls the Senate. Grow up you effing old white loser.

carlosgvv

June 21st, 2012
3:43 pm

Talking Head – 3:40

You would think that would be the case. But it appears those Latinos here legally get all bent out of shape by Govt. efforts to deport illegals.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

June 21st, 2012
3:44 pm

Rmoney has given us a hint -
he self deported his money to the Cayman’s and Switzerland.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 21st, 2012
3:44 pm

Obama’s immigration stance/policy will help sew up CO, NM, and FL.
Next he needs to work on OH, WI, MI. What could he do for those people? We should know in July sometime.

mwuahahahahahahaha

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
3:45 pm

“That’s just thick with hypocrisy.”

Sounds like I hit a nerve. I don’t know about you, Jay, but I want comprehensive solutions to all of our major problems – the debt, immigration, wacky taxation and the like. I would feel much better about Obama had he at least tried to get it done and then fallen back on the DREAM act while throwing up his hands. The problem is not just with Obama; the intransigence (as you rightly characterize it) is everywhere to be found in DC. Brosephus is right: we need to come together on some things or we are going to sink into the annals of history.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 21st, 2012
3:45 pm

Mitt needs some excitement in his campaign.

Take a stand Mitt! For the love of…., take a stand, man!

CJ

June 21st, 2012
3:45 pm

Mitt Romney: “As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution.”

Any idiot can run for office on that platform. And, frankly, one would have to be an idiot to buy that snake oil.

Ayn Rant

June 21st, 2012
3:45 pm

Republicans have dawdled and ducked ever since Reagan had the guts to grant “amnesty’ to illegal immigrants. Obama has addressed the issue to the extent of his powers in the face of a moribund Congress.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
3:46 pm

Towncrier, I posted this for you some weeks ago, but I have no idea if you ever saw it or not. It clarifies my position in re our discussion of the spitting issue; I believe you’ve badly misread my position. I also outlined the results of my attempts to verify Lindgren’s claims.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/05/03/laughably-gop-wants-to-blame-divisiveness-on-obama/?cp=20#comment-945002

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
3:46 pm

How does one “legally get bent out of shape”?

And that just begs the question — can one get bent out of shape illegally?

Steve

June 21st, 2012
3:46 pm

What DOES Mittens stand for? In the debates he was clearly anti-immigration, but at this conference he tried to sound more centrist. What DOES he stand for?

Jay

June 21st, 2012
3:47 pm

Good point, CJ.

On taxes:
““As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution.”

On the deficit:
“As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution.”

On the Middle East:
“As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution.”

On the heartbreak of psoriasis:
“As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution.”

Joseph

June 21st, 2012
3:47 pm

Here’s a link for all you misinformed fruits. Especially you Jay. Google not working??

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/immigration

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
3:48 pm

CJ:

“If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
3:49 pm

Romney will pursue reform
for Mexicans since he was
born there.

Steve

June 21st, 2012
3:50 pm

From Mittens’ website;

Secure The Border
Mitt Romney will complete a high-tech fence and provide the necessary number of border patrol to finally secure our southern border.

So how do we pay for this? How practical is this nonsense? Is it a 3000 mile Berlin wall?

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
3:52 pm

T. Head — “It puzzles me why libs throw out statements like these to make an argument. Why would Latino’s automatically vote Democrat because Republican are against backdoor amnesty and trying to enforce illegal immigration measures? Wouldn’t those with a Latino background whether they were born here, have multiple generations here, or immigrated here legally side more with Republicans stance on keeping illegal immigrants out? Why would someone who fought to get here the legal way be in support of those who are cheating the system?”

Because of the way your side demogogues Hispanics. You’re doing it yourself in your choice of language. You repeatedly use the term “illegal,” even though being undocumented is no greater an offense than speeding or driving without a driver’s license. You use the term “cheating,” which is hardly applicable to children who were brought here, or to people who are waiting for their applications to be approved — and who are LEGALLY able to remain here, despite being undocumented.

Conservatives tend to be very, very uninformed on this issue, and seem — IMO — to take out a lot of their frustrations on Hispanics in general without bothering to figure out whether any given Hispanic is actually here legally or not. I can’t begin to tell you how many times I’ve said on an an internet message board ‘well, here’s what my Hispanic wife tells me,’ only to be greeted with “WAS SHE HERE LEGALLY BEFORE YOU MARRIED HER????”

:roll:

If y’all want to keep acting like that, Hispanics will keep voting for Democrats and you’ll keep being puzzled. And that suits me fine.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
3:53 pm

F. McCool . . . “Mitt needs some excitement in his campaign.”

O_o

Never mind. I thought you said “excrement.”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
3:53 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
3:48 pm

CJ:

“If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

Corporal

April 22nd, 2009
9:24 am

PARTING THOUGHTS:

After much soul searching I have made the decision to end my time here as a contributing poster.

Glass house, meet stone.

Jimmy62

June 21st, 2012
3:54 pm

It’s too bad the only way Obama can win is to exploit certain groups by passing laws and executive orders that pander and divide. If he couldn’t buy off distinct groups, then there’s no way he could win. He’s certainly not a uniter, all he does is divide.

stands for decibels

June 21st, 2012
3:54 pm

I think it’s just so precious that dimwits like you can actually find something here to do. I guess it makes your zoo job of assistant Elephant s*it shoveler go a little quicker.

Wow.

And to think I was (not making this up) about to post something like this:

“carlos, couple of weeks back I think it was, I made some harsh assessment of your predilections and said something harsh about you having a problem with certain ‘uppity’ types. I’ve since read a lot of what you’ve posted, and I think a lot of it is quite thoughtful, and I wanted to tell you that I was wrong. In fact, I apologize for my earlier, rash language.”

Now… I dunno what to think.

(sorry about the personal aside, but some days, you get some weird stuff thrown your way.)

Mighty Righty

June 21st, 2012
3:55 pm

Quoting Romney from Bookman’s statement above:

“Some people have asked if I will let stand the president’s executive action. The answer is that I will put in place my own long-term solution that will replace and supersede the president’s temporary measure.”

“As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution. I will prioritize measures that strengthen legal immigration and make it easier. And I will address the problem of illegal immigration in a civil but resolute manner.”

Sounds like decisive action to me. A permanent solution involving both political parties that includes a path to once and for all solve the no solution Obama flip flop political pandering that didn’t do anything but kick the can down the road.

Way to go Mitt. Finally an executive that will bring achieve consensus between two disparate political parties. Just exactly the leader this country needs.

Steve

June 21st, 2012
3:55 pm

Maybe if this do nothing Congress would pass appropriate legislation to handle the immigration situation Obama wouldn’t have had to do what he did, Jimmy62. 62% of AMericans agreed with his actions, so who’s being divisive?

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 21st, 2012
3:55 pm

possible 2012 slogans for Mr. Plastic, Mitt Romney:

Possible Romney 2012 slogans:
“Don’t Leave Home Without It”
“It pays to Discover Mitt Romney”
“There are some things money can’t buy. For everything else there’s Super Pacs”
“It’s Everywhere You Want To Be”
“Wherever it takes you, the future takes Mitt Romney”

Goldie

June 21st, 2012
3:55 pm

“I tell you, it almost brought tears to my eyes.”

Thanks Jay — another spot-on analysis of Mr. Etch-A-Sketch!

:)

stands for decibels

June 21st, 2012
3:56 pm

Glass house, meet stone.

very nice catch.

Thomas

June 21st, 2012
3:56 pm

The idea that Romney, who shows no willingness whatsoever to challenge his party’s base, would even attempt such a thing is ludicrous

Your right Bookman- never has a candidate moved toward center after winning an election- candidates never try to consolidate a base.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 21st, 2012
3:58 pm

Mighty, in your quote of Jay’s quote, there is nothing substantial. It’s all “I will work toward this…I will put this (insert vague idea) into place”

The guy is just blowing smoke but you can’t tell smoke from substance.

Peadawg

June 21st, 2012
3:58 pm

“Last week, the president finally offered a temporary measure that he seems to think will be just enough to get him through the election.”

He’s got a good point

Steve

June 21st, 2012
3:59 pm

What DOES Romney stand for? The same old policies that got us into the mess that you people blame Obama for not miraculously fixing with a do-nothing Congress thwarting his every move?

CJ

June 21st, 2012
4:00 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801: “If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.

Go back and look at the tape. Obama was talking about TARP, which, like it or not, turned out pretty well.

josef

June 21st, 2012
4:02 pm

As the economy continues to improve, and the construction industry especially is looking better, we’ll need more undocumented workers. My guess is that should Romney go in, he’ll go back the the Bush-Clinton-Bush policy and roll back the deportations under Obama.

j$

June 21st, 2012
4:02 pm

Romney stands for Hope and Change.

Maybe this go around there will be some of one or the other…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
4:03 pm

Cammie:

You left some things out:

“After much soul searching I have made the decision to end my time here as a contributing poster. I could give several reasons why but the main one is the continuing decline of civility among posters. I wish to use my time for more uplifting endeavors.

If I have offended anyone I apologize and I can assure you it was just my particular brand of satire or hyperbole. Nothing was ever intended to be personal.”

I hope all of you will make a concerted effort to “raise the bar” as I believe the posters on these threads are a representative cross-section of this country – and right now that is not good.”

#1) I am not running for president and what I posted had to do with me personally at the time NOT what I was promising to do for the American people if elected.

#2) I’m baaaack !

#3) It’s good to know I get under your skin with my favorite Romney campaign slogan to the point that you would take the time to find my previous post. Look for it again and again.

#4) In the meantime, you have a president that is in serious trouble of being re-elected.

Now ………. I have to be gone for awhile but I shall return and I look forward (as I do everyday) to your posts.

Latino Voter

June 21st, 2012
4:03 pm

Obama realized that Rubio was pushing for a similar bill and wanted to beat him to the punch. If Obama had put half of the political clout behind this that he put into health care reform or don’t as don’t tell, Immigration reform would already be in place. As for myself, I am more concerned with the ecomony and unemployment which has gotten worse under his presidency.

Goldie

June 21st, 2012
4:04 pm

“I’m not familiar with precisely what I said, but I stand by what I said, whatever it was,”…

One of my very fave quotes by Gov. Etch-A-Sketch.

:)

Joseph

June 21st, 2012
4:04 pm

Even Yahoo News understood Romneys speech today. Hmmm. I guess if he would come out and say he agree’s with Obama’s plan Jay would still write tripe attempting to make him look bad… You libs are hillarious….

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-says-replace-supersede-obama-immigration-plan-160622731.html

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
4:05 pm

Shorter le petit caporal: Do as I say and not as I do.

getalife

June 21st, 2012
4:05 pm

“Incapable of taking a position” Obama

Too weak to be President.

Weird too.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 21st, 2012
4:07 pm

Well, I reckon Mr. Mormon Underpants knows where us Conservatives stand on immigration. It wouldn’t take more than a few million bucks to deal with the problem. First you write in about $10 million for gas for our pickups. Then if the libruls want to be Compassionate, they can add about $20 million for portable seats for the pickup beds. Then if there’s 12 million or so illegals in this country, we’ll need about 2 million redneck pickup trucks and drivers. We round all the illegals up one night and head for the Mexican border.

And I do mean all of them—grandpas and grandmas, dads and moms, and kids. You can’t have a long-term solution if you leave some of the illegals behind.

The Dump ought to be worth the price of admission. We can gain most of the money back by selling tickets at key dumping spots. We might could need a little PR campaign to sell the tickets—something like “Take a Dump—Watch Us Solve the Immigration Problem.”

You might not like it but at least I have a solution that’s guaranteed to draw Republican support. Have a good night everybody.

GT

June 21st, 2012
4:07 pm

How do we keep this real for the Spanish voters when elected officials represent only part of a community and allow for what that part wants.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
4:09 pm

“Towncrier, I posted this for you some weeks ago, but I have no idea if you ever saw it or not. It clarifies my position in re our discussion of the spitting issue; I believe you’ve badly misread my position. I also outlined the results of my attempts to verify Lindgren’s claims.”

I didn’t see it, JHM (I haven’t been on consistently). Thanks for the heads up. I have read it and thanks you for your detailed response. I will not respond to it point by point but just offer a few thoughts. You say in that post:

“Therefore, if you think I’m somehow disinclined to believe that such spitting happened simply on ideological or political grounds, you couldn’t be farther off base. If it actually happened, I *want* to know about it. I’d simply like to see *concrete* evidence of it, not just take people’s word for it – as Lindgren is clearly predisposed to do by his own admission.”

As I have said all along, knowing human nature (as evidenced even recently by some members of the Occupy Wallstreet movement) it is FAR from inconceivable that people would have spit upon returning Vietnam veterans – a possibility Lembcke denies outright because he has seen no researched evidence for it. I mean, why go to the trouble to write a book to refute firsthand claims it happened instead of just letting things die down over time? It seems to be to be driven all by an agenda to preserve an image (whatever that might be).

So I am glad to hear that you are not disinclined to believe the possibility of it happening. I share your frustration with Lindgren not specifying the publication date of the articles he cites (especially given his academic stature) and applaud you for your effort so far. I wonder if an e-mail addressed to him directly, in a nice manner (you know, “an acquaintance of mine and I are having this debate about….”), could yield this information. Perhaps he has copies of the articles themselves in a file somewhere. A response from him, in whatever manner, might reveal a lot.

Jay

June 21st, 2012
4:09 pm

Yes, Joseph, even Yahoo News understood it, as they point out in their opening paragraph:

Mitt Romney criticized President Barack Obama’s immigration plan on Thursday, saying that as president, he would “put in place my own long-term solution that will replace and supersede the president’s temporary measure.” While that plan is still vague….”

Saying “I will replace his plan with my plan” tells us nothing without an explanation of what that plan might be.

ty webb

June 21st, 2012
4:10 pm

“How do we keep this real for the Spanish voters when elected officials represent only part of a community and allow for what that part wants.”

wrong continent.

Joseph

June 21st, 2012
4:12 pm

Dow down 250 on Obama’s gloomy jobs reports…

ty webb

June 21st, 2012
4:12 pm

jay,
and obama’s “plan” is simply to “turn the other cheek” for a certain segment of illegals?

Joseph

June 21st, 2012
4:13 pm

Jay:

Did you get the link to his website Jay?? Google will find it for you…

JamVet

June 21st, 2012
4:13 pm

Imagine that, the Party of the Spineless nominating a spineless candidate.

I’m shocked, ! tell you!

And the truth be told, this guy is infinitely worse than John McCain…

Steve Atl

June 21st, 2012
4:14 pm

Welcome back Jay…I missed my daily dose of “complete bias” from the so-called Journalist.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
4:14 pm

“Saying “I will replace his plan with my plan” tells us nothing without an explanation of what that plan might be.”

Which is a HUGE problem with MOST politicians. Say what you will about Gingrich, Jay, you will at least have to concede he puts a developed plan on the table. Most do NOT.

Georgian

June 21st, 2012
4:15 pm

LAME….LAME….LAME….ROMNEY IS TRULY DISAPPOINTING ON MANY FRONTS…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
4:16 pm

OH NOES! THE DJIA LOST 2.04% TODAY!

WE ARE ALL LOST, LOST I TELLS YOU!

ABANDON HOPE!

ABANDON SHIP!

Dekalb Comments

June 21st, 2012
4:16 pm

Mr. RMoney, your magic underpants are constricting the flow of blood to your head.

1. The Republicans used the threat of a filibuster to make passing any legislation extremely difficult. At some point in our future we need to get back to majority decision-making in Congress or we are destined to never get anywhere. Do the Republicans really think that when they are back in control of the Senate, the Democrats will not pull a Mitch McConnell and threaten to filibuster everything the majority brings forward? So the fact the President had a significant majority in the Senate he did not have 60 votes to defeat threatened Republican obstructionism.

2. More important things…The President did not take up immigration reform because, quite honestly, there were more important priorities such as keeping the economy from falling off a cliff. So things like passing a stimulus bill and saving GM and Chrysler from liquidation were priorities over immigration reform. Then there was the need to address the abysmal performance of a health care system that leaves tens of millions of Americans uninsured and millions more under insured.

Those were priorities for the first two years of the President’s term. He has been trying to advance measures to stimulate hiring and save jobs but the obstructionists on the right only want to introduce legislation dealing with abortion, gay rights, religious freedom, guns, etc.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 21st, 2012
4:17 pm

Yeah, at least McCain could take a stand on something.

Well, Romney DID declare that he likes cheesy grits. I’ll give him that one.

Jay

June 21st, 2012
4:17 pm

Yes, Joseph. I did. It says nothing about his reaction to Obama’s action or how he would improve on it.

If he thinks what Obama did was wrong, he should just say so, right? Instead … nada.

getalife

June 21st, 2012
4:17 pm

willard does not have a plan because our President took the rubio plan.

A brilliant move.

JKL2

June 21st, 2012
4:18 pm

finn- The guy is just blowing smoke but you can’t tell smoke from substance.

glass house, meet stone.

Almost four years of obama BS and your still lapping up every word…

East Cobb RINO

June 21st, 2012
4:18 pm

“looks as though the Republicans will concede the Latino vote to the Democrats”
**********************************************
Which would effectively hand Fla (and a 2nd term) to Obama

Joseph

June 21st, 2012
4:18 pm

Jay:

Here you go Jay… Honestly Jay you prove the point that I make over and over about you people on the left. It really don’t matter what plan or policy Romney puts forward even if it is better for the American people. You’re going to rail against it like its Armageddon. The problem with what Obama did is that he simply doesn’t have the power to do it. Let’s see how you howl when Rubio introduces his plan and dems vote against it.

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/immigration

Steve Atl

June 21st, 2012
4:20 pm

What’s so hard about filling out the proper paperwork, getting in line, and entering our country legally?

Thousands do it…I have friends that have done it properly and legally…what do you have to say to them Jay.

JKL2

June 21st, 2012
4:21 pm

-Saying “I will replace his plan with my plan” tells us nothing without an explanation of what that plan might be.

It’s too bad he can’t come up with a neat slogan like “hopey-changey”. Then he would have instant credibilitiy and people would believe everything he says.

Jay

June 21st, 2012
4:22 pm

I mean, what’s so hard about a Republican candidate saying “I disagree with what President Obama did, and here’s why”? The announcement is probably the most substantive policy change to come out of Washington in months, and Romney can’t find the guts to either condemn or agree with it?

Meanwhile, he speaks of being “resolute?”

josef

June 21st, 2012
4:22 pm

Just an observation

“Magic Underpants,” which displays a most un American bias and prejudice, keeps making its appearance. The question was raised the other day as to which “side” is exhibiting that prejudice. I started keeping count. It’s the liberal-left.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
4:23 pm

It’s too bad he can’t come up with a neat slogan like “hopey-changey” the smoking gun is the mushroom cloud. Then he would have instant credibilitiy and people would believe everything he says.

pogo

June 21st, 2012
4:23 pm

And Obama throws out some brightly colored policy beads which really aren’t worth anything to the Latinos hoping they will fall for the ruse. The desperation in the Obama campaign and his acolytes his palpable. They are truly scared they will lose in November and in fact, they just may. Next he will promise the “greens” free taxpayer money to pay for their computers and call this a “green energy nitiative”.

Jay, your earlier piece was very much in the leftist party line with the NYT’s and the Wash Post editorials today about F&F. That means you must be scared of this. You should be. The under reported retraction yesterday from the DOJ on Holders earlier testimonial comments about the Bush Admin being briefed on Fast and Furious tells me that Obama and his lapdog Holder are taking this very seriously.

It is hard to believe that a bunch of so-called “newspapers” that made a such a big deal out of Vallerie Plame and that supported spending millions of taxpayer dollars on an DOJ investigation and congressional hearings into the “outing” of a low-level, un-important Washington socialite are now saying a case where the DOJ created a gun running program that resulted in the death of one of our law enforcement officers is un-important. Jay is rested and his liberal hypocrisy is in full splendor.

And Ty, here is an article from the UK of all places that pretty much re-enforces your earlier assumptions on F&F. It takes a British newspaper to tell us the truth since we can’t get it here in the US.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100166854/the-fast-and-furious-scandal-is-turning-into-president-obamas-watergate/

Steve Atl

June 21st, 2012
4:23 pm

Oh yeah…I forgot about Benefits of doing it illegally….no taxes, free healthcare, free education, driving without a valid drivers license, no car insurance, stealing SSN’s to create an identity.

Joseph

June 21st, 2012
4:23 pm

Jay:

What’s Obama’s reaction to Romney’s plan? Should Romney react to Obama’s every move? I don’t think so… Right now it’s Romney’s job to deliver his message as to how he will get this country going again in a positive way. Issue by issue… That’s something Obama has certainly failed to do unless it involves more spending…

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
4:26 pm

“What’s so hard about filling out the proper paperwork, getting in line, and entering our country legally?”

It means you can’t get what you want when you want it. Theft, rape and other wrongdoing are similar ways of circumventing the law. Now I certainly think the law should be changed to better accommodate our good neighbors in preference to those living half way around the world, but the fact that the law is less good than it should be does not make it invalid.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
4:27 pm

Jimmy62 — “If he couldn’t buy off distinct groups, then there’s no way he could win.”

Exactly who do you think the President is ‘buying off,’ and how’s he doing it? What’s he paying them with?

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
4:28 pm

“I mean, what’s so hard about a Republican candidate saying “I disagree with what President Obama did, and here’s why”? ”

Would that all of our politicians did that.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
4:28 pm

K’Chak — “Shorter le petit caporal: Do as I say and not as I do.”

This.

Joseph

June 21st, 2012
4:28 pm

Most real news outlets gives Romney a positive rating for his speech to Hispanics… Not Jay, Media Matters, Huff Post, or the Daily Cos… Is there a connection there??

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/tough-crowd-romney-rips-obamas-immigration-approach-high/story?id=16621370

JamVet

June 21st, 2012
4:28 pm

What’s so hard about thousands of American businessmen using people who entered our country legally?

Oh yeah…I forgot about Benefits of doing it illegally….no withholding taxes to calculate and account for, no unemployment insurance payments, no social security taxes, no healthcare, nothing.

Just mountains of illegal profits.

And you pro-crime neocons love it.

Because in your demented minds it only takes one to tango…

ty webb

June 21st, 2012
4:29 pm

Pogo,
thanks, I appreciate the link.

Steve Atl

June 21st, 2012
4:30 pm

Pogo…read the article from the Telegraph…at least the rest of the world and the republicans get it.

JamVet

June 21st, 2012
4:30 pm

Romney will not get 25% of the Latino vote. Or the Asian vote. Or the black vote. Or the Jewish vote.

Welcome to the realities of the Lily White Party…

kayaker 71

June 21st, 2012
4:32 pm

“The most substantive policy change to come out of Washington in months” Give me a break!! Nothing but an attempt to gain the Latino vote. Why didn’t he do this three years ago when he had a Democratic Senate and House? Now he invokes the Dream Act by Executive Order when it looks like his campaign is going South to pick up a few more Latino votes. You might think that the American electorate is stupid, Bookman, but reality will win every time. If it walks like a duck……

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
4:33 pm

Exactly who do you think the President is ‘buying off,’ and how’s he doing it? What’s he paying them with?

He’s paying them off with food stamps redeemable for prom dresses at Whole Foods.

Steve

June 21st, 2012
4:34 pm

Romney is toast as he’s not conservative enough for the base, Mormon, plastic, the 0.5%, and he can’t win with the latinos/blacks/gays/women vote. He has nothing going for him. Obama’s milque-toast accomplishments (thanks to an obstructionist Congress, even when there was a supposed Dem majority) are still better than what Romney brings to the table. A strong GOP candidate would have crushed Obama. Conservatives- you guys messed this one up.

Steve Atl

June 21st, 2012
4:35 pm

Obama surrounds himself with great people…Tim Geithner the tax cheat and Eric Holder the corrupt scumbag.

Ben Shockley

June 21st, 2012
4:35 pm

“Romney dawdles and ducks on immigration”

(yawn)…Obama dawdles and ducks on fast and furious.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
4:37 pm

Towncrier — “I didn’t see it, JHM (I haven’t been on consistently). Thanks for the heads up. I have read it and thanks you for your detailed response.”

This is the first time I’ve seen you on for more than a post or two since then, and I wanted to be sure you’d seen it.

“a possibility Lembcke denies outright because he has seen no researched evidence for it. I mean, why go to the trouble to write a book to refute firsthand claims it happened instead of just letting things die down over time? It seems to be to be driven all by an agenda to preserve an image (whatever that might be).”

If you’ll look back at my original post, you’ll see that I asserted that there was no *documented evidence* for it, not that it hadn’t ever happened. There’s *some* overlap in my position and Lembcke’s, but not much. This is why I kept asking you why you were bringing Lembcke up. I’m familiar with his book, but I don’t agree with much of it and I certainly wouldn’t cite it.

“I share your frustration with Lindgren not specifying the publication date of the articles he cites (especially given his academic stature) and applaud you for your effort so far.”

Very kind of you to say. Thank you! :)

“I wonder if an e-mail addressed to him directly, in a nice manner (you know, “an acquaintance of mine and I are having this debate about….”), could yield this information. Perhaps he has copies of the articles themselves in a file somewhere. A response from him, in whatever manner, might reveal a lot.”

This is an excellent idea. I will do just that.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
4:38 pm

“What’s so hard about thousands of American businessmen using people who entered our country legally? Oh yeah…I forgot about Benefits of doing it illegally….no withholding taxes to calculate and account for, no unemployment insurance payments, no social security taxes, no healthcare, nothing. Just mountains of illegal profits.”

There is truth in this JamVet – perhaps the reason Bush did not move to secure our borders militarily after 9/11 and apparently called the Minute Men “vigilantes” off mike. I am very conservative, but really think the liberals have a point in bemoaning the unbridled greed of people in the name of “business”. Ad the apostle Paul has said, the love of money is the ROOT of much evil. But I don’t think you can realistically legislate against it, anymore than you can against drug use or drinking alcohol – it will persist in an alarming fashion. It might be much better to incentivize more generous and selfless behavior in a logical, consistent and comprehensive manner.

Jay

June 21st, 2012
4:38 pm

Submitted on 2012/06/21 at 4:20pm

Steve ATL asks, “What’s so hard about filling out the proper paperwork, getting in line, and entering our country legally?”

Maybe it’s because, as the Deseret News points out, “The State Department reports that some categories of Mexican immigrants who are now being processed have been waiting for visas for 18 years.” Add the 11 million here illegally to that waiting list and the wait would become much longer. You can apply at age 18 and get admittance at age 50. A lot of good that would do you.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

June 21st, 2012
4:39 pm

Obama is rising in the polls rapidly in Florida.

He wins that state and its game set match.

Sorry angry white Cons.

Its over.

Steve Atl

June 21st, 2012
4:39 pm

Executive Privilege #2 coming up…when the Supreme Court shoots down Obamacare.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

June 21st, 2012
4:43 pm

Executive Privilege #2 coming up…when the Supreme Court shoots down Obamacare.

That doesn’t even make sense.

And… he would still have 14 to go to catch W.

josef

June 21st, 2012
4:43 pm

IMAM

Thanks for that @ 4:38. I was trying to come up with an answer, but that citation does the job nicely.

Ben Shockley

June 21st, 2012
4:43 pm

“He wins that state and its game set match.”

If pigs had wings they could fly.

Aquagirl

June 21st, 2012
4:44 pm

Most real news outlets gives Romney a positive rating for his speech to Hispanics

When they talk about “scattered applause” it doesn’t sound like a rousing success.

Poor Joseph—-couldn’t struggle through even the first page of his own link.

Steve

June 21st, 2012
4:44 pm

You people forget that every administration has looked the other way and kicked the can down the road with immigration. We allowed this for years and enjoyed the benefits of cheap labor. Not easily solved.

Ben Shockley

June 21st, 2012
4:45 pm

“Romney dawdles and ducks on immigration”

Romney isn’t even the president (yet).

What has the campaigner-in-chief done about illegal immigration in 3.5 years?

josef

June 21st, 2012
4:45 pm

STEVE
@ 4:44

Yep.

kayaker 71

June 21st, 2012
4:46 pm

Somehow, liberals believe that it is our duty as a country to hasten the immigration process to allow more Mexicans to enter our country. And, somehow, the delay in approving their admission to our country is some kind of sin. I personally don’t give a tinker’s damn how long they have to wait. Neither do many other successful countries in the world. Try that approach in Switzerland. We should only be taking immigrants into our country that have something to contribute, have means to support themselves and have no criminal record. That would cut out nearly all of the present illegals that we have in this country. It is not our duty nor our obligation to admit to our country, anyone who wants to become an American citizen. Liberals make it seem that if we are not admitting most anyone who wants to enter and are not doing it on the fast track, that something is wrong with us. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben Shockley

June 21st, 2012
4:46 pm

Maybe Barack will sponsor some legislation on immigration after he’s fulfilled his promise to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first (and last) term…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
4:47 pm

We allowed this for years and enjoyed the benefits of cheap labor.

As someone that spent 35 years in the construction biz, I have “enjoyed” nothing but stagnant pay.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
4:47 pm

“If pigs had wings they could fly.”

Probably be best if you keep the blinds closed

Steve Atl

June 21st, 2012
4:48 pm

Jay…can you let me know where you found the statistic that says it takes 18 years to become a US citizen. Please paste the link. Friends of mine have taken anywhere from 3 months to 5 years.

Were you just exxageramerating?

Ben Shockley

June 21st, 2012
4:48 pm

Maybe some of the illegals pouring over the Mexican border will have the courtesy to return some of the assault weapons Holder sold them.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
4:50 pm

“Maybe it’s because, as the Deseret News points out, “The State Department reports that some categories of Mexican immigrants who are now being processed have been waiting for visas for 18 years.” Add the 11 million here illegally to that waiting list and the wait would become much longer. You can apply at age 18 and get admittance at age 50. A lot of good that would do you.”

I trust you are not suggesting that the ends justify the means here, Jay. Because that argument can be applied to almost any law. And I think when a law is not very accommodating, then it becomes alright in the minds of some to ignore it. And your cited statistics do not explain the illegal crossings that have occurred decades ago when the wait was no doubt much shorter. The law needs to be changed (no doubt) not defiantly ignored. I thought Bush’s guest worker program was a great idea.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
4:50 pm

Jay…can you let me know where you found the statistic that says it takes 18 years to become a US citizen.

Not real good with the reading compremehension thingie, are you?

UNCLE SAMANTHA

June 21st, 2012
4:50 pm

CJ

June 21st, 2012
3:45 pm
Mitt Romney: “As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution.”

Any idiot can run for office on that platform. And, frankly, one would have to be an idiot to buy that snake oil.

HOPE AND CHANGE CJ
HOPE AND CHANGE

idiots are in both parties
and elected MR. HOPE AND CHANGE

mdouglasman

June 21st, 2012
4:51 pm

This ‘blog’ is a total waste of time. Jay, you have never had a creative thought…same old stuff. One of these days I hope you and dem lemmings look at facts and wake up….31/2 years…trillions spent, $2 trillion printed, bad results. It has never worked in the history of mankind, never will work….look at Europe, an example staring back at you and you guys do the same thing over and over and expect different results. Got to go and try to make some money with these aliens I have working for me.

pogo

June 21st, 2012
4:51 pm

The money is pouring into Romney’s campaign from both private donations and Super PACS. While Obama raked it in from both sources in 2008 Jay and his liberals had nothing to say. But now that Romney and the RNC are doing great in this area Jay and his liberal brethren are crying and wailing about big money buying the election. Obama is from Chicago and he only knows big money politics and he has taken full advantage of them throughout his career. He especially took advantage of it in 2008. But this year, he has no record to run on, his policies have failed and his coffers are beginning to dwindle FAST. As for the people I know I have never seen so many people contributing to a political campaign (specifically Romney and the RNC) as this year. Hundreds of people who have never contributed to a political campaign are giving money to the Republicans. In fact, we are holding small fundraiser meetings in our own houses and we have raised a heck of a lot of money this way. We have one every other week. We call them “GROB” parties (that stands for, “Get rid of ” oh well, you know). Besides Jay, Obama has used 778 Billion of us taxpayers money to buy votes through the FoodStamp program and another few hundred billion to buy union votes so what is your problem with private citizens and business buying them through donations?

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
4:52 pm

“Sorry angry white Cons.”

I smell a bit of racism here. FYI, not all conservatives are “white”.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
4:52 pm

K71 — “Somehow, liberals believe that it is our duty as a country to hasten the immigration process to allow more Mexicans to enter our country.”

False statement #1.

“And, somehow, the delay in approving their admission to our country is some kind of sin.”

False statement #2.

“I personally don’t give a tinker’s damn how long they have to wait. Neither do many other successful countries in the world. Try that approach in Switzerland.”

Shrug.

“We should only be taking immigrants into our country that have something to contribute, have means to support themselves and have no criminal record. That would cut out nearly all of the present illegals that we have in this country.”

Wild-Azz guess.

“It is not our duty nor our obligation to admit to our country, anyone who wants to become an American citizen.”

If’ they’re Cuban and they get their feet onto American soil, then it actually *is* our obligation. Such individuals are automatically permitted to stay.

“Liberals make it seem that if we are not admitting most anyone who wants to enter and are not doing it on the fast track, that something is wrong with us.”

False statement #1

“Nothing could be further from the truth.”

Good assessment of your own post.

Your fiction-writing skills are getting better, but you’re still not doing the quality of work that I know you’re capable of. See me after class, young man.

Ben Shockley

June 21st, 2012
4:52 pm

“As someone that spent 35 years in the construction biz, I have “enjoyed” nothing but stagnant pay.”

You enjoy DragonCon every year don’t you?

UNCLE SAMANTHA

June 21st, 2012
4:53 pm

JAY

PLEASE EDUCATE THE PEOPLE

visas are different than citizenship

permanenant residency is different than citizenship

there are many tools available to solve the problem
but congress lacks the one most important tool
balls

josef

June 21st, 2012
4:53 pm

It’s kind of interesting the lack of historical perspective a lot of posters have. From the 1630s forward we have a tradition of importing “those people,” whoever the those people of the generation, to do our cheap dirt work. The “waves” and “hordes” of Messicans are but the latest.

Oscar

June 21st, 2012
4:53 pm

Romney says Obama had a huge majority in the senate for two years. He either has a really bad memory or maybe it’s just that he can’t count and divide very well. Or maybe he just likes to ignore the real facts and make up some on his own.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
4:53 pm

kayaker

Can we assume that when you go to a restaurant, purchase vegetables, maybe had a house built or renovated, contracted for yard work or other services that you verified no illegals were involved?

If not, they thank you for contributing to the reason they have come here.

I’m for tighter boarder security as well as finding those who over stay visas, but as long as the US consumer demands products as cheap as they can get them and business owners are looking to maximize profit on every dollar………… they will be here.

And it will not matter who is in the WH

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
4:54 pm

You enjoy DragonCon every year don’t you?

No.

This has been another episode of one word answers to a simple{ton’s} question.

Oscar

June 21st, 2012
4:54 pm

I think all of you European ancestors are part of “those people.”

Aquagirl

June 21st, 2012
4:56 pm

I thought Bush’s guest worker program was a great idea.

Some people would like to join their spouses or family. They’re not all here to mow your lawn and pick your cheap produce, however much you like that idea.

kayaker 71

June 21st, 2012
4:56 pm

White, middle class working America is getting more and more tired of Bozo’s election year shenanigans as the polls show. Incumbent presidents are not supposed to be behind in the polls four months prior to an election. And the Democrats know it. Now, some of the prominent Democrats are even shunning the Democratic Convention, seeing it as a losing cause. Bozo is pulling out all of the stops, lying to the American public and defying the Constitution and the separation of powers in an attempt to divide us up into separate interest groups to his own advantage. That’s all he has.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
4:57 pm

JHM @ 4:52

Kayaker is certainly one of our better fiction writers. He might be slipping a little today, but the day is not over and there is always tomorrow for him to top surpass previous posts.

Someone has to win the Pinocchio Blogger of the Year award or at least be in the running

JKL2

June 21st, 2012
4:57 pm

Vote obama: Because being successful just isn’t fair!

Ben Shockley

June 21st, 2012
4:58 pm

“As someone that spent 35 years in the construction biz, I have “enjoyed” nothing but stagnant pay.”

Mediocrity tends to limit upward mobility in a free society.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
4:59 pm

“Incumbent presidents are not supposed to be behind in the polls four months prior to an election”

Well in some he is and others he is not. But I would remind you that even in Karl Rove’s electoral map, it isn’t Romney with the hill to climb.

It is about the Electoral College.

Just sayn

Ben Shockley

June 21st, 2012
4:59 pm

Maybe I’m being unfair. Little Barry Soetoro has made quite a nice career of mediocrity.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
5:00 pm

B. Shockley — “Mediocrity tends to limit upward mobility in a free society.”

So THAT’S how the Republicans have been doing it.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
5:01 pm

“it is Romney………”

Excuse me

Steve Atl

June 21st, 2012
5:01 pm

I thought Jay had the Pinocchio Blogger of the Year Award wrapped up or was that the Jeff Spicoli Blogger of the Year Award…

“What Jefferson was saying was, Hey! You know, we left this England place ’cause it was bogus; so if we don’t get some cool rules ourselves – pronto – we’ll just be bogus too! Get it? “

Ben Shockley

June 21st, 2012
5:02 pm

Is Barack’s aunt one of the illegal slackers he intends to let stay here?

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
5:02 pm

I’m out. All be well and drive safely.

JamVet

June 21st, 2012
5:03 pm

White, middle class working America is getting more and more tired of Bozo’s election year shenanigans forty years of flat lined wages, as the polls show.

Excluding of course, the self-flagellating neocons, who seem to love gaining no ground at all for decades at a time…

Ben Shockley

June 21st, 2012
5:04 pm

“So THAT’S how the Republicans have been doing it.”

It’s not Republicans asking government to provide equal outcomes for all, regardless of talent, skill, and effort. That would be Democrats.

But then you knew that already.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
5:04 pm

Now, some of the prominent Democrats are even shunning the Democratic Convention…

Sensing a recurring theme I just had to go check, and sure enough a headline at the gooey Drudgey goodness.

More Dems to Skip Convention…

Baaaa, baaaa, baaaa….

Ben Shockley

June 21st, 2012
5:05 pm

JamVet, I’m a white middle class working American, and my income has quadrupled in the last 15 years. And I’m not even a government employee.

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
5:06 pm

It’s not Republicans asking government to provide equal outcomes for all, regardless of talent, skill, and effort. That would be Democrats.

If only there were a linkee to that claim.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
5:06 pm

“Some people would like to join their spouses or family. They’re not all here to mow your lawn and pick your cheap produce, however much you like that idea.”

The US is not a country club, however much you like that idea. Many more people want to immigrate here than can logistically, rationally or feasibly be allowed – you know that right? I am on record here as saying, time and again, that Mexicans and Canadians ought to be at the head of the line – given preference over all others (maybe by making it so that half of all immigrants are from these countries). For those who are way back in line, then a work permit should perhaps be allowed to at least give them the opportunity to make more money than they are in their own countries and help businesses here. If they prove to be upstanding citizens during that time, perhaps they (and their families) get moved up for consideration.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
5:06 pm

Mediocrity tends to limit upward mobility in a free society.

I’m self employed, sport.

Whose ass do you have to kiss to get ahead?

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
5:07 pm

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
5:08 pm

Ben

Good for you and congratulations, however that has nothing to do with Jam’s claim that wages have stagnated across the board.

But do carry on

mdouglasman

June 21st, 2012
5:08 pm

Hey Ben,
Don’t talk about your income quading…you are a target for those havenots.

mdouglasman

June 21st, 2012
5:09 pm

Kam, one one who would hire you?

josef

June 21st, 2012
5:09 pm

TOWNCRIER

@ 5:06

But..but…that would make sense and be rational…why the hell would anybody want to do that?

kayaker 71

June 21st, 2012
5:09 pm

Next step….. incumbent Democratic Senators, Congressmen/women and governors will begin to shun Bozo at every opportunity just like they did with W. They know a losing cause when they see it and they will want no part of his support….. even to be seen with him at a campaign event will be a liability.

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
5:10 pm

Ben Shockley
buy a horse..

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
5:11 pm

“But..but…that would make sense and be rational…why the hell would anybody want to do that?”

Good point, josef. What was I thinking?

Dekalb Comments

June 21st, 2012
5:11 pm

Towncrier @ 5:06

Why do you think Mexicans and Canadians should be at the head of the line? I am fascinated by that thought. I don’t have anything against our gentile neighbors to our north or the poor neighbors to our south but I don’t know why their applications should be considered higher than say someone from India or Malaysia or France.

What criteria do you think we should use in determining who is allowed to come here on a path toward citizenship?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
5:11 pm

Kam, one one who would hire you?

Again — for those of you in the cheap seats: I’M SELF EMPLOYED, SPORT.

getalife

June 21st, 2012
5:13 pm

Moody’s downgrade the banks.

Slow job growth so the gop guvs decide to layoff American workers.

This is how they govern.

A disaster waiting to happen.

Dekalb Comments

June 21st, 2012
5:13 pm

Correction….our genteel neighbors to our north.

Mighty Righty

June 21st, 2012
5:13 pm

WHILE OBAMA DAWDLES AND DUCKS on jobs the unemployment remains at 552,000 fewer than when he took office and this weeks jobs numbers continue to worsen. After three and a half years Obama remains clueless about how our economy works preferring to continue his Marxist ideaology of government control of everything which has a proven track record of failure. Meanwhile 30 jobs bills lay in the do nothing Democrat controlled Senate awaiting action which would have employed millions by now had Obama been able to get HIS party to be bipartisan. This inept president can’t even get his own party to pass a jobs bill.

mdouglasman

June 21st, 2012
5:14 pm

Kam, meant to say you are the only one who would hire you.

josef

June 21st, 2012
5:16 pm

DeKalb

Why? We have long-standing historical and cultural ties one with the other. NAFTA. Cross border ties already. It’s a rather common practice among civilized states with immigration quotas. I would add to his special considerations, those from English speaking countries.

kayaker 71

June 21st, 2012
5:17 pm

I wonder how many Canadians are here as illegals and whether or not they would work for a Mexican wage if they were.

josef

June 21st, 2012
5:17 pm

DeKALB

Aw, I thought you had converted to Mormonism and were talking about our “gentile” neighbors! :-)

getalife

June 21st, 2012
5:19 pm

wishy washy weird willard will not even promote his roots in Mexico.

Sad.

JamVet

June 21st, 2012
5:19 pm

It’s not Republicans asking government to provide equal outcomes for all, regardless of talent, skill, and effort.

In my best Foghorn Leghorn accent, “Son, you talk a lot, but you don’t say nothing!”

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
5:20 pm

josef
didn’t know you spoke
Mormon.

josef

June 21st, 2012
5:22 pm

kayaker

I used to live on the Canadian border. It’s a much more widespread “problem” than many think, and was especially so at that time back in the ’70s when the Canadian dollar was at .75. The Canadian worker would undercut the United States worker. It was even more acute in that it was not just in the service sector. Secondly, border crossing was quite easy and they were “in the country legally.”

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
5:22 pm

So. When are the Republicans going to get busy on that electrified border fence complete with gator-filled moat and razor wire and patrols armed with lots of guns. That is still their plan, isn’t it. And how are those illegal immigrant laws working out for the Republicans in states such as Alabama and Georgia. What’s the latest word.

TM

June 21st, 2012
5:22 pm

“Saying “I will replace his plan with my plan” tells us nothing without an explanation of what that plan might be.”
Ain’t that what your guy said to get elected.Hope and Change whatever that is

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
5:23 pm

Romney/Redneck Convert
2012.

josef

June 21st, 2012
5:23 pm

FROG

Hey, what can I say? I’m like the first Jewish governor of Utah who said, “where else am I a goy?” :-)

kayaker 71

June 21st, 2012
5:24 pm

Looks like the Supremes handed SEIU some bad news today. Couldn’t happen to a finer group of misfits.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
5:24 pm

“Why do you think Mexicans and Canadians should be at the head of the line?”

1) Proximity – the fact that they are our geographical neighbors and it is prudent to foster the best possible relationship with them. They have been our allies and we have a mutual interest in each other’s survival.

2) History – the fact that both peoples were, for better or worse, involved in the evolution of our country.

“What criteria do you think we should use in determining who is allowed to come here on a path toward citizenship?”

I don’t have a complete answer for this. I would say commitment would be high on the list (in other words, this is a one time opportunity – if you choose not to stay a citizen, you cannot return as a citizen). Along these lines, dual citizenship must be forever renounced. I think employability would be also be high on the list, balanced against any non-employable members of family that might be coming (in other words, could they sustain themselves or would they require a lot of financial assistance we cannot afford and was never given to immigrants years ago). Obviously a clean record would be required. That’s about all I can think of now.

getalife

June 21st, 2012
5:25 pm

You speak Mormon?

Where the heck is planet kolob?

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
5:25 pm

“Chinese PhD’s are all the rage.” – Mitt

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
5:29 pm

“Just once, I’d like for my life to be like an 80s movie.”
– Thomas Jefferson

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
5:31 pm

“Just once, I’d like for my life to be like an 80s movie.”

“Just once, I would like to be portrayed as a vampire killer in a 21st century movie”
- Abraham Lincoln

Only in America.

kayaker 71

June 21st, 2012
5:32 pm

Off topic but interesting as hell…… the Voyager space probe was launched 35 years and has traveled at the rate of 10km/sec since launch. It has just reached the outer limits of our solar system and has just entered inter galactic space. I remember the first Star Trek movie about Veger…. a probe that was sent to gather knowledge and report back to it’s makers. Sort of makes you feel pretty insignificant.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 21st, 2012
5:34 pm

Romney/Redneck Convert
2012.

Only if Mr. Mormon Underpants (sorry, josef) becomes a Southren Baptist and will pick up a rattlesnake to prove it. It’s up to him. Does he want the redneck vote or don’t he?

Aquagirl

June 21st, 2012
5:34 pm

That’s about all I can think of now.

I would add “might like to live with US born spouse or close relative” but you seem to be evaluating economic units, not people.

Logical Dude

June 21st, 2012
5:34 pm

“Just once, I’d like for my life to be like an 80s movie.” – Easy A?

pogo

June 21st, 2012
5:35 pm

Politics can be fun! Win or lose, we are having a big time! And remember, the only reason those immigrants (Latinos or Asian or anything else) want to leave their homes and come to America is jobs (or so the democrats say). Now that Obama has destroyed job creation in this country, what is the incentive for immigrants to come here? The answer? Entitlements. Obama seems to thinks he can lure them to his side with welfare and social programs. That may work for some but they are going to be in direct competition with the other members legal members of “his base” for dwindling Federal entitlement dollars. It may work for a lvery ittle while but that really destroys the reason that the democrats have for saying that “these are hard working people who only want to better themselves and will do the jobs Americans don’t want to do”, isn’t it? Furthermore, most of the South American immigrants that do make some money here reventually return to their homes and I don’t blame them. They are taking the last bread from a sinking ship. Obama’s class warfare is backfiring. The so-called “rich” are cutting back on their spending and that means all of those lawn care jobs and labor intensive jobs that the illegals were doing are drying up thus we have a decreasing number of latinos immigrating to this country. His little Friday “dump” last week amounted to nothing. Without jobs the only attraction for immigrants in America are the entitlements. And if this is what Obama and the democrats want to build their base on, which apparently they do, that will only add trillions to our debt and it will hasten the demise of our country. And the legal citizens of this country who have paid into the system for many years will suffer and do without because of it. It is a losers game that Obama is playing.

Middle of the Road

June 21st, 2012
5:35 pm

I mentioned this before but I guess it’s worth repeating. While I don’t condone the practice congressfolk routinely skip their own conventions to help boost their own reelection chances. This is especially commonplace when a sitting President is a shoo-in for his party’s nomination. In 2004 eight House Republicans, four from Pennsylvania alone, skipped the GOP convention. And they pretty much used the same excuses as the Democrats are now.

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
5:36 pm

RC
Certainly would excite the
Republican base.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
5:36 pm

“Only if Mr. Mormon Underpants (sorry, josef) becomes a Southren Baptist and will pick up a rattlesnake to prove it.”

Baptists don’t handle snakes (Pentacostals do), so your sarcasm fails (not a Baptist or Pentacostal btw).

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
5:36 pm

getalife

June 21st, 2012
5:37 pm

“will pick up a rattlesnake to prove it”

Baptist hazing.

Moderate Line

June 21st, 2012
5:39 pm

Aquagirl

June 21st, 2012
5:39 pm

Veger…. a probe that was sent to gather knowledge and report back to it’s makers. Sort of makes you feel pretty insignificant.

I felt insignificant when I realized Persis Khambatta was way hotter than I would ever be, and that was without a single hair on her head. Geez.

josef

June 21st, 2012
5:40 pm

Du-k-sha-nee Ga-lo-nu-he-dv

Why the hell would I pick up a rattlesnake to prove I was a Baptist? That would prove I wasn’t. You dumb a33, like I said, if you’re going to do that shtick, at least get it right…now:

Ta-yi, a-tsu-tsa u-s-di! Ni-hi a-ya u-de-ya-to-di !!

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
5:40 pm

“I would add “might like to live with US born spouse or close relative” but you seem to be evaluating economic units, not people.”

I wish we would could evaluate immigrants as people but since (largely through Democratic efforts) financial support is legally required in many cases, I see no other option. We cannot afford what we cannot afford. In the 19th century, this was not a problem. People supported themselves however they could.

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
5:42 pm

Aqua Girl
but no Trident…

josef

June 21st, 2012
5:43 pm

CRIER

Back to the real topic/thread…I find it interesting that you and I, usually miles apart on just about everything and known to cross swords, should be seeing and proposing much the same thing in immigration reform. It only shows that this is not a partisan issue and turning it into one by both “sides” lies at the heart of why there is nothing being done and chances are nothing will be…sad…

ragnar danneskjold

June 21st, 2012
5:44 pm

Only whiny leftists think Romney should take a position on Obama’s positions. Why should Romney waste his time talking about the policies of a lame duck? He should be telling us what he will be doing as president.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
5:45 pm

rags

Please be on the blog on election night

thanks

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
5:45 pm

Would you look at that. Gas has dropped below $3.00/gallon in South Carolina. Ask and ye shall receive, cons. :lol:

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
5:45 pm

“It only shows that this is not a partisan issue and turning it into one by both “sides” lies at the heart of why there is nothing being done and chances are nothing will be…sad…”

I agree, buddy. It is very sad.

bman

June 21st, 2012
5:48 pm

Would you look at that. Gas has dropped below $3.00/gallon in South Carolina. Ask and ye shall receive, cons

I admit that I am happy about this !

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
5:48 pm

josef & TC

I’m right with you. Neither side wants to allow the other to get any credit, so they both talk and talk as nothing of substance takes place

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
5:51 pm

Why should Romney waste his time talking about the policies of a lame duck?

That’s a good question. Why doesn’t Romney elaborate on what he would do as president. For example, does he have a brain trust like Phil Gramm in mind to handle the economy and free up his time to chase a terrorist all the way to the gates of hell.

Aquagirl

June 21st, 2012
5:53 pm

I wish we would could evaluate immigrants as people

I’m really not sure how to respond to that. Except that seeing them as economic units is why we’ve ended up with millions of illegals living here already.

People aren’t that complicated. If their children are hungry or in danger, they’ll try to resolve the situation. That’s pretty universal behavior, the people who didn’t removed themselves from the gene pool.

We can rant and bluster endlessly, but when some guy wakes up and sees headless bodies hanging from the overpass near his house, he’s going to take action. Wave an immigration law at him and he’ll ignore you, while privately thinking you can insert that law up your yanqui bum. Are you gonna deport him? Oooooh, that’s soooo scary to him….NOT.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
5:53 pm

“Neither side wants to allow the other to get any credit, so they both talk and talk as nothing of substance takes place”

Wasn’t it Adams that said a two party system would be the demise of our country, TBS? And you see why. Politicians are interested in power and position rather than in the well being of our country. The fear of losing these things, like the fear of communism that got us into Vietnam, is irrational and destructive.

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
5:54 pm

What is Mitt’s position on polygamy?

Adam

June 21st, 2012
5:55 pm

ha! Conservatives, stuck with Romney, have to deal now with a guy who WON’T TAKE AN ISSUE on this. Conservatives have to decide if he will do what they want, or if all that was just talk to get the nomination.

Send in Ron Paul. It would be almost as good as having Santorum as the nominee. He’d get TROUNCED, BADLY, and at least it would demoralize libertarians. A Romney nomination and Presidential loss is kind of an “oh well” for most of the fringe because it’s not who they want anyway, and they get to continue to run off of hate for 4 more years.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
5:56 pm

What is Mitt’s position on polygamy?

Perhaps he uses the Kama Sutra as reference material.

josef

June 21st, 2012
5:57 pm

TAXI
“What is Mitt’s position on polygamy?”

Opposed in both the religious and secular.

pogo

June 21st, 2012
5:57 pm

As for the foreign skilled and educated immigrants, I say grant them immediate amnesty and possibly citizenship. American industry is in great need of these workers as they can ‘t find enough of them from domestic resources thanks to our piece of crap education system and thanks to our society which has produced an entire generation of greedy and self-absorbed children who just don ‘t want to have to put up the effort it takes to succeed. American children for the most part have been taught that they deserve everything with little or no effort from themselves. Our education system and America’s parents have failed them. So, if industry can ‘t get them domestically, they should be able to get them elsewhere. The industry I work in has aggressively started recruiting overseas (or south). And for the most part, our workers we have procured this way have been exceptional. And to think, they were educated in countries that spent a fraction of the cost we have spent on our spoiled losers.

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
5:57 pm

Taxpayer
probably on the bottom.
too taxing on top.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
5:59 pm

TC @ 5:53

Again we agree. Whether it is the Libertarians, Greens or whomever I wish we had more viable choices that could compete with the two behemoths and actually be on the stage during a debate. Sad as it is, the Ds and Rs would rather tell you and I that they are our choices and continue to make it difficult for viable 3rd parties.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
5:59 pm

“We can rant and bluster endlessly, but when some guy wakes up and sees headless bodies hanging from the overpass near his house, he’s going to take action. Wave an immigration law at him and he’ll ignore you, while privately thinking you can insert that law up your yanqui bum. Are you gonna deport him? Oooooh, that’s soooo scary to him….NOT.”

Well, AQ, I am trying to be pragmatic rather than unwisely compassionate. I feel for their plight, just as I do for the plight of millions and millions of others on our planet. To allow Mexicans to come here freely without thought as to whether or not we can afford that or extend the same offer to everyone else in the world is kind of dreamy thinking in my book. Do you take in all the homeless you see into your home? If not, why not?

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
6:01 pm

All our elections should be
non partisan.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
6:03 pm

“Whether it is the Libertarians, Greens or whomever I wish we had more viable choices that could compete with the two behemoths and actually be on the stage during a debate. Sad as it is, the Ds and Rs would rather tell you and I that they are our choices and continue to make it difficult for viable 3rd parties.”

Perhaps the best place to do this would be initially at the state level. If a third party were successful there in a few states, it might gain traction. It would probably succeed best by taking the best ideas from both parties and offering a clear, well thought out plan for actually implementing them.

bman

June 21st, 2012
6:04 pm

Illegal workers do much more had
To unions than republicans could ever do

josef

June 21st, 2012
6:05 pm

We’ll have no viable multiparty system until we effect a campaign finance reform which is why the two parties we have now are so insistent on not doing it. It would dilute the payola.

bman

June 21st, 2012
6:05 pm

Had–harm –thanks iPhone !!

Aquagirl

June 21st, 2012
6:07 pm

I am trying to be pragmatic rather than unwisely compassionate.

I didn’t say that I agreed, I’m simply pointing out that is how people will act. For example—If I get a speeding ticket on 285, that’s the way the cookie crumbles. I don’t feel sorry for myself or anyone else who gets one. What is relevant to this discussion is pointing out the arbitrary 55 MPH doesn’t really affect most people’s behavior.

If you make a law contrary to basic human nature or common sense, be prepared for sporadic and ineffective enforcement. And waving that law around is an exercise in intellectual masturbation.

Joseph

June 21st, 2012
6:08 pm

Didn’t Jay write some drivile last week about home ownership?? LOL.. Obama is failing at that!!

http://blogs.smartmoney.com/advice/2012/06/21/5-housing-markets-where-renting-beats-owning/

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
6:08 pm

“We’ll have no viable multiparty system until we effect a campaign finance reform which is why the two parties we have now are so insistent on not doing it.”

It would not be easy, but where there is a will, there is a way. If 3 or 4 states successfully elected a 3rd party candidate, momentum would be established I should think.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
6:08 pm

josef

Exactly. That’s why I have called out Obama numerous times for taking Super Pac money. As the IMAM correctly states he can not compete without it, however no one made him go after the Republicans for doing it.

While I think Obama to be a more viable option than Romney, he is nothing more than a politician’s politician. Not as bad as some say, but surely not has great as others would declare

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
6:11 pm

Joseph

If you are not prepared to offer criticism about Bush in regards to the housing market. (Psst: Bubble started bursting in 06) than why cry like a baby about Obama.

In the end it was a bubble and turned into a “disaster”. Not sure what Obama or Bush could have done.

But since you are playing politics on that issue, figured you would want to cry about Bush as well.

just sayn

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
6:13 pm

What’s “drivile” and is it on the buffet at Golden Corral?

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
6:14 pm

Kam

Years ago Ryan’s had it but you had to ask them for it. Not sure about Golden Corral

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
6:15 pm

Ok we all say we need moderates and compromise. Let’s start here.

I will never say the libs are hypocrites if libs will stop saying republicans are.

Since every politician in the last two decades has said one thing and done the exact opposite once elected accusing any of them of being hypocrites is like shooting a gun that has blanks in it.

I know you libs are not real happy with Obama, my God he has kept most of Bush’s policies in place.

And

I know that Bush pissed off a lot of conservatives with his deficit spending.

Romney is doing the same thing Obama is doing. Neither have a solid solution to a very difficult immigration issue, and neither is going to say that. So they are playing around the edges.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
6:16 pm

“If you make a law contrary to basic human nature or common sense, be prepared for sporadic and ineffective enforcement.”

People are by nature self-interested, AQ. That is why they commit adultery (to the great harm of their family), steal, lie, murder and all the rest. Laws, however bad they may seem, are rarely arbitrary. There is a rationale for them somewhere. It seems like you think the individual has the right to ignore laws when they are inconvenient, burdensome, oppressive or simply disagreeable. That is a path to anarchy. Just where do you draw the line? Laws should not be oppressive or burdensome but the way to address that problem is to make the people who enact them accountable (and not immune to prosecution or impeachment or the like).

josef

June 21st, 2012
6:16 pm

I’m not opposed to the idea of regional parties. The problems and issues of California and New York are too often distinct and unique to those of the Industrial Midwest or the Coastal South…coalitions are possible on problems and issues of universal/national concern.

Bud Wiser

June 21st, 2012
6:19 pm

All Obama is trying to do is buy latino votes. Period. The only transparency this clown promised when he came into office is turning out to be the transparency of his pathetic vote grab, for starters.

Not gonna continue to play “the good ol’ boys game” eh Barry? Hiding your Attorney General behind your skirts sounds like cronyism to me.

Eric Holder is contempt of Congress, that has already been proven by the now infamous Feb 4 letter that was subsequently withdrawn by his office for its ‘inaccuracies’.

Holder is also in contempt of (in no specific order):

1. His job as chief law enforcement officer;

2. The law;

3. The rule of law;

4. The American people, by reasoning of his selective law enforcement (see New Black Panther Party, election 2008, an ACORN, 2008)

5. The Border Patrol, specifically the late Brian Terry and his family, by hiding behind his boss’ skirt and lying and withholding documents;

6. Here’s the really funny one – the lamestream media – spouting his garbage and lies and knowing that fools like you Bookman, will still staunchly defend him to the end, because it is not whats right in the media any more, its what YOU say is right. There is a difference.

I could list counless more, but why bother? You droling sychophants will suck up to your lying leaders no matter the depth of their depravity and insanity.

Thats okay, you all come from the same rubber room.

Romney – Rubio 2012, coming in November to a voting booth near you.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
6:26 pm

Bud Wiser

Rubio would probably shore up FL, but tell me how he will play out in NM, NV, AZ & CO. All states in play for both candidates at this time.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
6:28 pm

I am out guys…good night.

Billybob

June 21st, 2012
6:32 pm

hey jay,
can you clarify obama’s position on ‘fundamentally changing’ the US?
I guess your post earlier was a little off, Pelosi thinks the contempt vote is a nationwide plot to disenfranchise voters by removing eric holder who would be the one to save voters from being disenfranchised by the republican party…..you may need to call media matters so you leftists can get your stories straight…..exposing the left and the lies is so easy….good day libs

Erwin's cat

June 21st, 2012
6:35 pm

Jay – “The truth is, there is no give on this issue among Republicans. None. ”

Newt had a similar position in opposition to “your” Republican party…I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Newt’s stance on immigration that kept him from winning the nomination either

F. Sinkwich

June 21st, 2012
6:35 pm

Yep, Jay, Mr. and Mrs. Middle-America are gonna decide their vote on the Dream Act. Yeah, right.

The Mittster wants to fix O’bozo’s crappy economy, and knows how to do it. Lib ilks are terrified that people will come to realize that the hope & change cowboy they voted for in 2008 is nothing more than Howdy Doody.

Too late, Jay. Your deflections are meaningless at this point in time.

Next Jay blog: that meanie Issa’s search for the truth about how a federal law enforcement officer was murdered is just a political attack on the greatest president the US has ever known. Plus he’s a racist anyway.

Mark it down.

Bud Wiser

June 21st, 2012
6:36 pm

Rubio is smart, he is young, he has all of the charismatic features the messiah supposedly had. Plus, he has a record of honesty and straight-forward talk, not the filp-flop of an Obama or Biden, as proven by their miserable track records.

His appeal will be very broad based; he will destroy Biden in the vice-presidential debate.

Frankly, all Marco rubio has to do is show up. Biden will do his usual psycho-babble-ramble, probably forgetting his target audiences much like he did last week at the nation mayoral conference. Biden is a sick joke, an insurance policy Obama took out to protect himself…. ask yourself this, what kind of pathetic moron loser would Biden be as a president should he have to assume office?

Obama/Biden are trying to change the subject every day to keep the focus off their record; their record is the damning evidence of their failure to lead. Obama would cut the snards off of Holder and serve them fried Southern Style to the media if he ever thought it would give him a political advantage …hell, he may do that yet, just stalling for now before what the polls tell him to do.

Romney – Rubio 2012, coming in November to a voting booth near you.

Billybob

June 21st, 2012
6:36 pm

democrats thought it was no big deal when clinton perjured himself, so what’s the big deal about the attorney general who answers to the president perjuring himself? if we don’t like the laws we just claim some type of ‘ism’ and then we just don’t enforce them…..how long before this contepmt vote is racist jay? waiting………

Aquagirl

June 21st, 2012
6:37 pm

It seems like you think the individual has the right to ignore laws when they are inconvenient, burdensome, oppressive or simply disagreeable.

No, but most laws are dependent on the majority of people voluntarily complying, or at least complying because the risks far outweigh the small gains. Most of us don’t steal or murder because it violates our internal standards, not because it’s against the law. (Although I’m not sure about theists who wonder why atheists aren’t out raping and murdering if we don’t believe in a skydaddy to punish us. Makes me wonder what’s going on in their heads.) We can attempt to lock up those who don’t have those internal controls because it’s a fairly small number of the population.

Thomas

June 21st, 2012
6:39 pm

Indiana Treasurer and GOP Senate candidate Richard Mourdock applauds the Supreme Court’s decision invalidating the Affordable Care Act in a new video uploaded to his YouTube account.

The catch, obviously, is that the Court hasn’t ruled on Obamacare just yet, and won’t do so until next week. Mourdock’s video, titled “ObamaCare3,” is apparently a pretaped message in the event that the health care law goes down, but it hit the web early.

And folks like this are our leaders-

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
6:39 pm

“change cowboy they voted for in 2008 is nothing more than Howdy Doody.”

Now that is funny………….

:-)

Brosephus™

June 21st, 2012
6:40 pm

Wasn’t gonna touch this topic, but I had to address a few things….

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Talking Head @ 3:40

Why would Latino’s automatically vote Democrat because Republican are against backdoor amnesty and trying to enforce illegal immigration measures?

If Republicans are indeed against backdoor amnesty, I’m sure they’ve already written and submitted legislation to amend the immigration policy of allowing the spouses of US citizens to pay a fine, get a waiver of inadmissibility, and then adjust their status to legal permanent resident after being here without status for extended periods of time. They have submitted that legislation, right? Back door amnesty is built into the system, and both parties are complicit in its functionality.

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Towncrier @ 5:06

To impliment that change, there would have to be a complete restructuring of the immigration policy. There are three basic ways to get an immigrant visa to the US. You either have a family member petition, an employer, or get a diversity lottery visa.

With the family petition, the order of processing is US citizen petitions first and then resident petitions afterwards. The business petitions involve some of the same requirements of the E-class investor non-immigrant visa. Then, the last option is the diversity visa. Also known as lottery visas, those are allocated based on the number of immigrants from different countries. The countries that are underrepresented in immigration visas get allocated more slots with the diversity visa. There are 55,000 of those granted each year.

Billybob

June 21st, 2012
6:42 pm

hey jay,
obama’s first ever press conference where he didn’t know the questions in advance showed his fundamental lack of economic knowledge and the rest of the world saw it as well. His lawyer talk didn’t answer one of the questions asked and the smartest president ever and the best orator ever vanished with that 45 minute mess…..
now his dreams of my father book has been shown to be full of halftruths and outright lies……
your liberal media can’t hide the incompetence of this guy anymore……he hasn’t a clue
Any thoughts on the number of dems staying away from convention and jumping the obama ship? it’s started right on cue…..

Erwin's cat

June 21st, 2012
6:43 pm

TaxPayer – “What is Mitt’s position on polygamy?”

dunno…what’s yours? and on gay marriage as well…just curious

josef

June 21st, 2012
6:45 pm

bman

June 21st, 2012
6:46 pm

Someone told recently told me that Asians are entering the country more than Hispanics. Legally or illegally, I don’t know. Is this true?

I know that over the past few years I have noticed more & more Asian ladies wherever I go. And I have to say : I like it! A LOT !!

Billybob

June 21st, 2012
6:46 pm

‘Romney dawdles and ducks on immigration’

how about this jay…….

‘Obama completely ignore immigration even with super majorities and then tries to buy their votes with promise of employment and jumping in the front of the line ahead of immigrants who are trying to respect our laws and come here the right way’

EASY

Brosephus™

June 21st, 2012
6:48 pm

democrats thought it was no big deal when clinton perjured himself

Well, when the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, I’m willing to wager that they were not thinking about lying about a blow job when they wrote that impeachment section. Find any married man who will own up to getting a blow job from someone other than their wife, and I’ll show you a sucker who’s about to lose half of what they own. However, I’m sure that you would have admitted to getting a blow job with no problem, right?

LUCIFER

June 21st, 2012
6:48 pm

Willard has shown he will do anything, say anything, stoop to the lowest levels, in order to run our country. I distrust him as much as I do dishonest mechanics, weasel attorneys, used car salesmen and almost as much as Donald Trump. He is a snake oil medicine man who is slimy, creepy, greasy, scummy, immoral, a liar, cheat, fraud, brainless and spineless. That said, no wonder he speaks for the Republican Party. He’s a perfect role model! To them, those are all great virtues! Honestly, Mittens would drive across the country with his own mother strapped to the car roof if it would win him this election. He is absolutely despicable.

Billybob

June 21st, 2012
6:51 pm

Bro,
As a conservative I would never have put myself in that position in the first place…..and perjury is perjury, see what i mean people, this lib ignores it….and clinton went on tv and told the nation he never did it as well…..that was fun

Erwin's cat

June 21st, 2012
6:52 pm

“define “is”"
one of my favorite quotes of all time

Billybob

June 21st, 2012
6:53 pm

settle down jon lovitz

F. Sinkwich

June 21st, 2012
6:53 pm

“Mittens would drive across the country with his own mother strapped to the car roof if it would win him this election. He is absolutely despicable.”

Looks like the Mittster can’t count on Lucifer’s vote.

Bummer.

josef

June 21st, 2012
6:53 pm

bman

June 21st, 2012
6:54 pm

Bro…its a little bit different when you’re President. The part that sort of bothered me was the finger – pointing “i never once” speech by Clinton. He really should have went on vacation or something lol

I would argue that when most men are caught & they know they are caught, they admit it.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 21st, 2012
6:55 pm

Gee, Lucifer, tell us how you really feel. :)

Erwin's cat

June 21st, 2012
6:55 pm

I don’t get the outrage over the dog in a carrier on the roof thing?…how is that different than a pick up truck bed?

pogo

June 21st, 2012
6:56 pm

The average lifespan of a private sector CEO nowadays is about 4 or 5 years. That should hold true for THIS CEO of our nation as well. He truly is the “foodstamp president” whose only contribution to our society is the increased funding of entitlements that we cannot afford. The Democratically controlled Senate under Harry Reid has now decided they want no military base closings even thought Panetta recommended them. So much for Defense spending cuts thanks to our friends in the Reid controlled Senate and his Democrats. Obama is an “Amateur” if ever there was one who had no ideas from the very start and who now conveys nothing to this country but gloom and doom. He doesn’t even try to uplift up the people of this nation anymore. He just blames someone else for his failure and he tries to make that as a case for his re-election. And then he goes and plays golf while the rest of us try to make a living. Jay you and your liberal brethren must be proud.

Brosephus™

June 21st, 2012
6:56 pm

As a conservative I would never have put myself in that position in the first place

If your instincts and desires are controlled by your political beliefs, you’re probably not gonna have a chance to put yourself in that position. Contrary to you trying to label me, I am not a “lib”, nor did I say I ignored it. My point is that we were subjected to articles of impeachment over a blow job. Funny how these things happen under a GOP controlled House.

Lie about yellowcak… nothing. Lie about a blow job… impeachment. My political beliefs have nothing to do with the fact that I don’t think getting jawbone in the WH rises to the need to impeach someone. Maybe the GOP House was upset because they were not gettin’ some… THen again, Livingstone and Newt were bangin’ headboards on the regular with someone other than their wives…

bman

June 21st, 2012
6:57 pm

Jacob wow! Thanks!

Paul

June 21st, 2012
6:57 pm

First same-sex marriage support, now immigration. Intended or not, the President does give the appearance of acting to shore up support for key constituencies rather late in the day.

But it’s still a valid point with Romney, also. Will he have the courage to go against his Party’s extremists? So far it does not look promising. One can Hope for Change, but his record so far does not give much encouragement.
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And right on cue, here’s Scout with his literal, devoid of context, no consideration to what was said before or after, parrot mantra:

“If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

So, verse quoter and establisher of the One True Interpretation, which is ‘it says what it says, deal with it”: Is G-d’s right hand still sore from Jesus standing on it? Is Jesus still standing on it? (For those of you who haven’t been following, Scout’s one-liners are true as standalone comments, so when Acts records that Stephen looked into heaven and saw Jesus standing on the right hand of G-d, I would like to know from the guy with all the Bible answers if G-d’s hand is still sore?).

Makes about as much sense to me as his “the President said it so deal with it.”

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Dekalb Comments (and you too, Redneck Convert)

(Romney’s underpants aren’t magic. See, he knows about this thing called a ‘washing machine.’ He also has this stuff that might surprise you. It’s called ‘soap.’ You put the underpants in the machine, add soap and water, and …. Magic! Underpants become white! Not the multicolored underpants you think are normal. You might want to ask around. People may share more magic with you. If you follow their advice, they might even want to stand closer to you!!!).

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Ben Shockley

“It’s not Republicans asking government to provide equal outcomes for all, regardless of talent, skill, and effort. That would be Democrats.”

Time to invoke Kamchak’s Observation: “If we’re just gonna make sh*t up, no sense in being half-assed about it.”

Erwin's cat

June 21st, 2012
6:58 pm

josef @ 6:53…been a trend in the tech sector for quite some time….although I have also seen that visa used as a pretty heavy hammer as well

Brosephus™

June 21st, 2012
6:59 pm

bman

If I were Clinton, I would have told my business as well as everyone else on Capitol Hill. No stone would have been left unturned. If you wanna embarrass me about my private dealings, I’ll expose yours. Honestly, I didn’t give a rat’s ass if he got jawbone on the side, and I don’t know of anybody personally who would have admitted to it either. I would have told Congress it was none of their business.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
7:01 pm

Bro

Not sure about Livingstone, but you know that Newt’s “love for this country drove him to do somethings that he shouldn’t have”…… At least that’s what he attempted to tell us

:-)

Erwin's cat

June 21st, 2012
7:02 pm

Bro – “I don’t know of anybody personally who would have admitted to it either.”

I would have screamed it from the highest mountain….but then again, I’ve never been married…not sure why? :)

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
7:03 pm

Now back to my normal self,

In a world where Mama Says was king. The immigration issue would be solved like this;

Eliminate all borders in the Americas, call each country a district, ( District of the United States of America, DIstrict of Brasilia etc……) the nation would be called America.

It would be a representative republic in which a simple majority rules in congress. No filibusters, no 60 votes needed.

All residents would be taxed at a marginal rate. Corporate tax would be 15%. Countries such as Nicaragra would be TADS, in which businesses would be taxed at 7% if they moved there and hired locals.

Abortion would be illegal expect in the event of rape, incest or mothers life

Marriage would be a civil union and any couple could seek the blessing of their God through their church if they wish but both groups would still pay taxes at the same rate and anyone can designate anyone else to be their legal rep in case of terminal illness or injury.

Gay adoption would be legal and encouraged since kids cannot be allowed to live in poverty and loveless ness. (everyone can help) A hungry child doesn’t care if the food came from a homosexual or heterosexual.

Military service would be mandatory but a sector of the military would be for disaster assistance, inter city clean up and general infrastructure improvement and maintenance.

It would be illegal for the state to spend more than it takes in and taxes could not be raised without a general vote ( like a SPLOST)

Congressional terms would be limited and the term limit on the president would be eliminated ( why can’t the people have the same president for 16 years if they like him)

Party affiliation would be eliminated as we now know it. We would have debates on ideas in which a democrat could be against abortion and a republican be for it, except we would only identify the person by name–vote for them if you like them–forget the party stuff.

Things like pro union or right to work state and healthcare would be decided by the people of that district, not the politicians. Politicians can put it on the ballot for us to decide what we want instead of taking money from the unions or businesses and insurance companies and then voting the way they are paid.

There would be NO gifts to any government official. NO conferences in Hawaii so GE can tell all the politicians to have a steak dinner because the entire trip is paid for by GE in order to get votes for a new GE business venture, paid for by the taxpayer.

No government payouts promoting any projects. Tax breaks are approved only after the product is produced and is proven efficient. Only then can Solyndra have taxpayer money, via lower rates not payouts.

no troops would be sent anywhere unless congress said yes, PERIOD !

And

God would not be banned from the courthouse and schools but it would be illegal to discriminate against non believers. ( all religions have God and all can agree he wants peace and love)

and that would be on the first day !

F. Sinkwich

June 21st, 2012
7:04 pm

Bubba would have been okay if he told the truth.

He didn’t.

So he took a perjury rap and lost his law license.

He fought the law and the law won.

Brosephus™

June 21st, 2012
7:04 pm

They BOTH

Livingston resigned when his affair became public fodder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Livingston

Resignation

During debate over the impeachment of Bill Clinton on December 19, 1998, Hustler Magazine Publisher Larry Flynt offered one million dollars for each unflattering sexual story about Republican members of congress. After one such story was made public about him by Flynt, Livingston acknowledged that he had had an affair and resigned as Speaker-elect. He challenged President Bill Clinton to resign as well. Livingston then announced he would resign from the House in May 1999.[5] This was despite support from the Minority Leader Dick Gephardt of the Democrats who had agreed to work with Livingston had Livingston assumed the Speaker’s office and not make a continued issue of Livingston’s affair. Indeed, had Livingston become Speaker as originally intended, this would have made it much more difficult for the Republicans to carry out impeachment proceedings.[6]

Livingston was succeeded by David Vitter, who later went on to become the first popularly elected Republican Senator from Louisiana, and Bobby Jindal, who later became Governor of Louisiana. The District is currently represented by Steve Scalise of Metairie, Louisiana.

Brosephus™

June 21st, 2012
7:05 pm

EC

Make it one person now… :)

pogo

June 21st, 2012
7:05 pm

In corporate america today we are being taught that the sign of a good leader/manager is an individual that is willing to take full responsibilty in front of his workers for his failures as well as his successes, but especially his failures. Using this criteria, Obama is a total failure as a leader. He takes no responsibility for any of his failures. None. This should make even the liberals take notice.

F. Sinkwich

June 21st, 2012
7:05 pm

Mama is a moonbat.

Get help.

Billybob

June 21st, 2012
7:05 pm

bro,
out of those three please tell me who committed perjury…..

Rightwing Troll

June 21st, 2012
7:06 pm

“The Terry family deserves answers about why their son was killed as a result of an operation run by the United States government,” Boehner told his weekly news conference.”

Why doesn’t Boner show the same level of concern for the 2013 families of American soldiers killed in W’s Iraq folly???

bman

June 21st, 2012
7:06 pm

Bro…I don’t know. How old was that intern? I don’t hate Clinton and I think everyone makes mistakes. But, his actions and his decisions say a lot about him.

It’s hard to defend.

Rightwing Troll

June 21st, 2012
7:07 pm

“In corporate america today we are being taught that the sign of a good leader/manager is an individual that is willing to take full responsibilty in front of his workers for his failures as well as his successes, but especially his failures. ”

That’s a joke, right?

josef

June 21st, 2012
7:07 pm

D*mn, Mama, you’ve actually put some thought into this! Not a bad start…

Erwin's cat

June 21st, 2012
7:07 pm

F Sinkwich – “Bubba would have been okay if he told the truth.”

99% of the the time, the cover up is worse than the crime…Nixon, Edwards, and, a few others come to mind

Paul

June 21st, 2012
7:08 pm

pogo

I take it you’ve forgotten all the hoopla about trying to get Pres Bush to apologize?

Gen Colin Powell was on Stewart the other night. Stewart observed that out of all the people of the Bush Administration – Bush – Cheney – Rice – Rumsfeld – Wolfowitz – that Powell was the only one to say ‘we made a mistake.”

I wouldn’t go pointing too many fingers -

Billybob

June 21st, 2012
7:08 pm

jay,
obama completely ignoring immigration, pelosi’s comments today……holder lying to congress more than once….anything?

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
7:09 pm

Bro

Thanks. I forgot about him………

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
7:09 pm

June 21st, 2012
6:43 pm

TaxPayer – “What is Mitt’s position on polygamy?”

dunno…what’s yours? and on gay marriage as well…just curious

Erwin,

I promise to share them with you just as soon as I run for president. Honest. I will.

By the way, I saw you had posted something to the effect that you were a scientist or something like that and had worked in a lab. Are you retired now. Just curious.

F. Sinkwich

June 21st, 2012
7:09 pm

“…Obama is a total failure as a leader. He takes no responsibility for any of his failures. None. This should make even the liberals take notice.”

Nice try, pogo. I agree of course, but those who accuse the messiah of failure are racists.

Don’t believe me?

Just ask the lib ilks around here.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
7:10 pm

Bro

Must be in the water down in LA……………..

Vitter had (heck may still have) his trips to the brothels.

As you say, personally I don’t care. It is the hypocrisy that is amazing.

That bs is between them and their families, not me

Paul

June 21st, 2012
7:12 pm

Billybob

“holder lying to congress more than once”

How about a providing a cite before we invoke Kamchak’s Observation?

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
7:13 pm

What is Mitt’s position on Swiss bank accounts?

getalife

June 21st, 2012
7:13 pm

A pol told the truth:

Retiring Dem: ‘The People Have Gotten Dumber’…drudegy.

The gop attack on education is mission accomplished.

They voted for w twice.

They destroyed our country and the world.

They have no shame, humility, morals, values and honesty.

They will vote to do it again.

Billybob

June 21st, 2012
7:14 pm

countdown clock to holder’s predicament being racist…..may already be happening jay…..

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
7:14 pm

Please Josef, call me moonbat.

Get Real

June 21st, 2012
7:15 pm

So Jay, no comment on your pal Obama hiding behind executive privilege; what happened to his promise of transparency?? The wheels are falling off the wagon for the left and this president but you go ahead and keep writing articles critizing the republicans….you are way more transparent than Obama….

Erwin's cat

June 21st, 2012
7:16 pm

TP…still working…cant afford to retire…admittedly I got an early start and some of the right places….really by accident…I happened to be in the same room with some pretty bright folks
I prefer the lab over board rooms and vid conf’s

Paul

June 21st, 2012
7:17 pm

Get Real

Just so I understand, your position is the Executive should cede its powers and prerogatives to the Legislative in the name of transparency? Is that it?

Brosephus™

June 21st, 2012
7:18 pm

out of those three please tell me who committed perjury…..

In case you haven’t already figured it out, I could care less over that particular case of perjury. Maybe the other two should have been put on trial about their affairs as well.

Funny that out of all the supposedly bad stuff that Clinton was accused of doing (Whitewater, Vince Foster, Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, etc…), all the GOP House could find him guilty of was lying about gettin’ some jawbone. Doesn’t seem like the GOP are the best at actually coming through with some hard-hitting investigative work, huh? And now they all say how much they liked Clinton… :roll: :roll:

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bman

I know she was of legal age, but I don’t remember her exact age. It kinda upset me about the workplace relationship aspect of the whole ordeal. However, I don’t particularly care for government infringement into the private affairs of consenting adults. I see it as a “keep government out of my bedroom!” type thing.

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They BOTH

He was a victim of Larry Flynt’s million dollar challenge. I was kinda surprised that there were not more victims uncovered.

Mike

June 21st, 2012
7:18 pm

All these partisan election games are killing us. One minute the GOP is doing all it can to emasculate our president, questioning his ability to lead, the next minute calling him a dictator, in the vein of European monsters.

In the meantime, Americans hunger for jobs, food, health care. This great country is floundering in partisanship.

And, while everyone in Congress has been pretending no viable bills, laws, need to be ready to go into the “hopper” minute the upcoming Supreme Court Decision comes down, Americans, doctors, nurses, hospital staff, patients, etc. all wait on pin and needles because lives literally depend on ACA or its immediately NEEDED replacement.

With all due respect, only one life was lost in “Fast and Furious”. Are we not going to get anything done anymore?!!!

josef

June 21st, 2012
7:19 pm

MAMA

Why call you a Moonbat…a lot of what you say makes perfectly good sense…but, then, given the position of the one who did call you that, that could qualify you as one! :-)

ty webb

June 21st, 2012
7:20 pm

“They destroyed our country and the world.

They have no shame, humility, morals, values and honesty.

They will vote to do it again.”

and “they” also leave the toilet seat up, squeeze the toothpaste from the middle of the tube, and tear the tags off their pillows and matresses…oh, the humanity!

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
7:21 pm

Erwin,

R U in optics? fiber?

Erwin's cat

June 21st, 2012
7:22 pm

Active Components

josef

June 21st, 2012
7:22 pm

Jack

June 21st, 2012
7:23 pm

Bookman voted for Romney.

Get Real

June 21st, 2012
7:23 pm

No Paul….they are clearly hiding something, if not then come clean. Are you telling me you have no problem with the AG refusing to provide the requested documents and then being shielded by Obama?

Come on…

Billybob

June 21st, 2012
7:24 pm

paul,
the date he knew about it and a second retraction from holder’s charge in a hearing last week that his bush administration predecessor had been briefed on the affair and holder also told congress that the definition of lying depends on one’s state of mind, sort of clintonesque in a way….. that last thing wasn’t and outright lie but lays the bridgework for his future lies don’t you think?

Brosephus™

June 21st, 2012
7:25 pm

Y’all have fun… Gotta bow out of here..

Tom Middleton

June 21st, 2012
7:25 pm

Jay, where have you been? Don’t you know you have to feed us chickens before you run out and about on errands? I mean, my poor TV has had quite enough of hearing me yell, thank you very much. So bad Jay, bad, bad…Sir! :)

And thanks for always pointing out where Gov. Romney lies. Would that the rest of the media did this, too!

Doggone/GA

June 21st, 2012
7:26 pm

“I know she was of legal age, but I don’t remember her exact age. It kinda upset me about the workplace relationship aspect of the whole ordeal”

I think she was twenty. And you can rest easy, she was as much pursuer as pursued. She was no deceived innocent. In fact, when a couple of R Senators tried to talk her into taking that role she sent them packing. She was proud of the affair.

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
7:26 pm

Erwin,

You helping give Cisco grief these days?

Erwin's cat

June 21st, 2012
7:27 pm

lol…. i have no idea

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 21st, 2012
7:29 pm

Mama Moonbat@7:03, that actually makes a lot of sense, which is why it will never fly with certain segments of our population.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
7:29 pm

“Well, when the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, I’m willing to wager that they were not thinking about lying about a blow job when they wrote that impeachment section. ”

I think you are uncharacteristically missing the point in all of that, Brosephus. First, it is a sad commentary on things these days that Clinton was NOT being impeached for having sex on the job but only for lying about it (because that is all they could make stick). So when was the last time you had sex on the job (or in the office at night) and everyone was okay with that? Or is there some kind of double standard you are condoning here? Secondly, anyone who would lie under oath about such a thing is also someone who could be blackmailed. Thirdly, if you can’t keep a vow to your wife, ho can anyone expect you to keep a vow to our nation? But strangely you seem to want to (wink wink) pooh pooh it as if it were of little account – you know, “boys will be boys”. Explain that to the children of a family destroyed by adultery.

Billybob

June 21st, 2012
7:29 pm

mike,
that last comment is not a great one….this is a big deal and absolutely shows that holder and his boss give no respect to the constitution and the laws of our country……they have ignored numerous laws so far and if the chief law enforcement officer of our land is corrupt how can you expect the masses to respect our laws…..it’s called leadership which we really haven’t seen with obama and his minions
must go, your silence is deafening jay……as usual drive by mediaman

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
7:30 pm

“that last thing wasn’t and outright lie but lays the bridgework for his future lies don’t you think?”

Well since you seem to have all the evidence and have tried and convicted him, I guess so

:-)

Erwin's cat

June 21st, 2012
7:30 pm

been on my own for the last 7 or so

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
7:32 pm

Erwin,

So you’re not into this stuff:

Alcatel-Lucent this week will reawaken its enterprise switching business with a core switch designed to go up against Cisco’s Nexus and Juniper’s high-end Ethernet box.

Research project aims to simplify large-scale network control

The company will unveil the OmniSwitch 10000, a 5Tbps system with 256 wire-speed 10G Ethernet ports. In the enterprise core, Alcatel-Lucent can now boast about being a density leader in wire-speed 10G (Arista Networks’ AN 7500 sports 384 wire-speed 10G ports but they play exclusively in the data center, Alcatel-Lucent officials rationalize).

Doggone/GA

June 21st, 2012
7:32 pm

” but only for lying about it ”

And YOU are missing the whole point: what business was if of Congress to even ask about it? Did Congress ask Kennedy about HIS affairs in the White House?

JohnnyReb

June 21st, 2012
7:32 pm

Moonbat is a term endearment.

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
7:33 pm

been on my own for the last 7 or so

Oops,

I misinterpreted your post to mean that you still worked for Bell Labs, Erwin.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
7:34 pm

“She was proud of the affair.”

As sadly, I guess, are a lot of women like her – including Edward’s mistress, the woman who recently came out talking about her affair with JFK. The scarlet letter has become a badge of honor.

Erwin's cat

June 21st, 2012
7:35 pm

funny, I heard rumors……there’s a very very distant part of me in that….who knew?

Paul

June 21st, 2012
7:35 pm

Get Real

Your argument follows the line of “if you have nothing to hide, let the police search you home and your car whenever they ask. If you have nothing to hide, there’s no problem.”

The specifics of the case are irrelevant. What is being tested it the application of executive privilege and the ability of the Legislative to demand whatever it wants, for whatever reason it cites, of the Executive.

Billybob

So now we’re at ‘it wasn’t an outright lie’? Just… what… a kinda lie?

This reminds me of the WMD and other discussions, except this time the players are reversed. Then the more strident Democrats took the position “it does not matter if the person knew the information was untrue or not. Even if they believed it to be true, it was shown to be false, so they lied!!!”

Congratulations. You’re using liberal Democratic arguments from the last administration.

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
7:35 pm

Moonbet sounds kinda batty.

josef

June 21st, 2012
7:36 pm

MAMA
Wait a minute! Are you OUR FNM moonbat?

Erwin's cat

June 21st, 2012
7:36 pm

TP…the traditional Bell Labs hasn’t been around for at least a decade or more

Paul

June 21st, 2012
7:37 pm

Billybob

“they have ignored numerous laws so far ”

You ever heard of citations to support an assertion?

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
7:38 pm

“And YOU are missing the whole point: what business was if of Congress to even ask about it? Did Congress ask Kennedy about HIS affairs in the White House?”

The president works for the people who elected him – for you and me and NOT for the Congress. I want and have a right to know if he is having sex on the job. I would be fired for that; why not him? The reason Congress didn’t probe too deeply into JFK’s or Clinton’s sexual affairs is because many of them are themselves guilty of the same thing. That does NOT mean it isn’t wrong.

Erwin's cat

June 21st, 2012
7:39 pm

TP…I’m not jerkin’ ya around..well, maybe I am….some anonymity is at stake….so

josef

June 21st, 2012
7:40 pm

DOGGONE

:,, what business was if of Congress to even ask about it,,,”

Exactly.

That Black Guy

June 21st, 2012
7:42 pm

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
5:45 pm
“It only shows that this is not a partisan issue and turning it into one by both “sides” lies at the heart of why there is nothing being done and chances are nothing will be…sad…”

I agree, buddy. It is very sad.
___________________________________
The sad part would be the “people” cheering it on.

They don’t care about the country, as long as the “other side” loses.

But in the process, we all lose.

Get Real

June 21st, 2012
7:43 pm

Keep drinking the Kool Aid Paul…..bottoms up!!!

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
7:44 pm

“Exactly”

Josef, do you think Clinton was putting himself in a position to be blackmailed (or commit murder like even King David did) by having sex with Lewinski in the WH? Do you think it is okay for Clinton (or any president) to be able to do what you and I would be fired for – do you believe in a double standard? Do you think adultery is not hurtful to the spouse or children in a family?

Doggone/GA

June 21st, 2012
7:45 pm

“I want and have a right to know if he is having sex on the job”

I don’t think you meant that the way it came out, because the President is ALWAYS “on the job” and most Presidents have been married,

“reason Congress didn’t probe too deeply into JFK’s or Clinton’s sexual affairs is because many of them are themselves guilty of the same thing. That does NOT mean it isn’t wrong.”

Did I say it wasn’t wrong? Of course it was wrong…what it WASN’T was an impeachable offense. If they’d followed the precedent of past Congresses (as defined by YOU: “The reason Congress didn’t probe too deeply into JFK’s or Clinton’s sexual affairs is because many of them are themselves guilty of the same thing.”) – there would have been NOTHING to impeach Clinton for…and, as it ultimately turned out, there wasn’t anything anyway.

That Black Guy

June 21st, 2012
7:47 pm

Choosing a president the last couple cycles has been like choosing players for a pick up basketball game.

You are basically choosing the midget with the best jumper. No offense to midgets for comparing them to politicans.

Doggone/GA

June 21st, 2012
7:47 pm

“Josef, do you think Clinton was putting himself in a position to be blackmailed (or commit murder like even King David did) by having sex with Lewinski in the WH? Do you think it is okay for Clinton (or any president) to be able to do what you and I would be fired for – do you believe in a double standard? Do you think adultery is not hurtful to the spouse or children in a family?”

Any number of Presidents have been proven, or rumored, to have had affairs while President…do YOU think it is an impeachable offense? That is meets the test of HIGH crimes and misdemeanors?

That Black Guy

June 21st, 2012
7:47 pm

TBS, sup dude?

You doing good?

Paul

June 21st, 2012
7:47 pm

Get Real

Comebacks like that, rather than substantiation for your assertions, indicates you haven’t thought thru the argument and you really have nothing to add other than “it sounded good when I heard it so I thought I’d repeat it……”

Sarah Gee

June 21st, 2012
7:47 pm

The real story is Obama’s speech on his economic policy. It was full of talk of “plans” but not one word about capital. He talked about driving the economy through class growth, consistent with only one economic theory…marxism.
While not intentional, it seems that Obama’s real political philosophy has nothing to do with our country’s focus on liberty and freedom, only with the mirage of centrally planned equality through marxism.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
7:48 pm

“The sad part would be the “people” cheering it on. They don’t care about the country, as long as the “other side” loses. But in the process, we all lose.”

Agreed…politics should not be viewed as an athletic or military undertaking. Abraham Lincoln, paraphrasing Christ, said a nation divided against itself cannot stand.

Paul

June 21st, 2012
7:48 pm

Towncrier 7:44

Is this like the Christian version of Sharia law?

josef

June 21st, 2012
7:52 pm

“Josef, do you think Clinton was putting himself in a position to be blackmailed (or commit murder like even King David did) by having sex with Lewinski in the WH?”

As to the first part, yes, I do. But that was stupid, not criminal. As for King David…nyanh, not that far.

“Do you think it is okay for Clinton (or any president) to be able to do what you and I would be fired for…”

I didn’t say it was okay. It’s just that the accusers, as it turns out, were just as guilty…

“– do you believe in a double standard?”
No. I don’t. Which is why I don’t cotton much to the equally guilty being the ones holding the inquisition.

“Do you think adultery is not hurtful to the spouse or children in a family?”

Of course it is and those making political hay of it parading it into the public spotlight are just as, if not more, guilty of inflicting that hurt…

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
7:54 pm

“Any number of Presidents have been proven, or rumored, to have had affairs while President…do YOU think it is an impeachable offense? That is meets the test of HIGH crimes and misdemeanors?”

Yes. Adultery, though now “decriminalized” by inactive prosecution, is still a crime and is a potential court-martial offense in the military. Aside from that, it exposes the president to possible blackmail attempts – no laughing matter. If we believe the Bible, even someone as remarkable as King David was willing to murder to cover up his adultery. Perhaps people should stop getting their moral guidance from sitcoms like Two and a Half Men, How I Met Your Mother and the like.

Bud Wiser

June 21st, 2012
7:56 pm

So Mama Says, do all democrats like you plan to live in the district of stupid?

It sure looks like that is where you come from, anyway.
Really now, is that your ‘normal self’? Did you get booted from a mental institution, or just quit paying a therapist?

Geez…

If you can’t be real, may I suggest you STFU until you grow a brain, or just simply go away.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
7:58 pm

TBG

Doing well. Hope things are going well for you

Like the basketball analogy. :-)

Did you see where the WBO confirmed that “Pac” was robbed?

I love boxing, but those are some crooked dudes running those organizations. Not too many years back, they would have told everyone F you and not even reviewed it

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
7:58 pm

“Is this like the Christian version of Sharia law?”

Really? Is that all you can respond with? Jesus loves me so I can do whatever I wish? Josef at least honestly answered the questions and I will concede it is unpalatable to have hypocrites running such an investigation. But that doesn’t mean what Clinton (or JFK or LBJ or whoever else) did is NOT wrong.

Doggone/GA

June 21st, 2012
7:58 pm

“Yes”

So you would rate adultery with things like spying for a foreign country, murder, genocide…committed by the President? Sorry, but I happen to think that a blow job (not sex in the “classic” sense) is a folly, not a high crime.

Now, if he’d had BEEN being blackmailed and had given away state secrets THEN THAT would be a high crime, because it is spying for a foreign country. But a blow job? Just stupid.

Paul

June 21st, 2012
8:02 pm

Towncrier

“is still a crime and is a potential court-martial offense in the military. ”

It’s a state issue, not federal.

Which brings up the point some make about “Pres Obama is not upholding the law!!!!!!!!”

When was the last time your local DA brought charges against someone for adultery?

Anyone?

Seems we have an awful lot of officers of the court not enforcing the law, doesn’t it?

As far as the military, as you’ve cited it, I’m sure you know it is prosecuted only when it interferes with good order and discipline.

“If we believe the Bible, even someone as remarkable as King David was willing to murder to cover up his adultery. ”

Like I asked, are we laying a Christian law foundation after the manner of Sharia law?

josef

June 21st, 2012
8:02 pm

DOGGONE

“…high crimes and misdemeanors…”

No, it wasn’t. Therefore not an impeachable offense at the start…but, hey, let’s go for it…that would be one way to clean house in DC…

So, who do we nominate for Torquemada?

getalife

June 21st, 2012
8:03 pm

President Clinton never got busted with a pro in a diaper.

He never got busted in the airport mens room.

He never divorced his wife when his wife is dying of cancer.

Lets put that clenis card to rest cons.

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
8:04 pm

“So Mama Says, do all democrats like you plan to live in the district of stupid?

It sure looks like that is where you come from, anyway.
Really now, is that your ‘normal self’? Did you get booted from a mental institution, or just quit paying a therapist?

Geez…

If you can’t be real, may I suggest you STFU until you grow a brain, or just simply go away.”

Complete personal attack. Jay, are you there?

hope and change

June 21st, 2012
8:05 pm

how’s that hope and change working out for everyone….lol yea I’m trolling! But seriously, you call this a recovery? You must be a bunch of uneducated ingrates to think this is a recovery, man, we haven’t crashed yet, if you want to see it crash, re-elect Obama! The Fed is working to devalue our currency even more, we are staring down new taxes, and we have a President who loves to spend on just about everything except the military! Dude, this sucka (the economy) is about to burn, burn, burn. I don’t know about all of you, but I’m sick and tired of this kind of hope and change!

A dad

June 21st, 2012
8:06 pm

What would you have Romney do, blatantly pander to the illegal Latino vote like Obama just did? What would you accuse Romeny of then?

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
8:06 pm

“So you would rate adultery with things like spying for a foreign country, murder, genocide…committed by the President? Sorry, but I happen to think that a blow job (not sex in the “classic” sense) is a folly, not a high crime.”

The Constitution specifies high crimes and MISDEMEANORS. (as you yourself indicated in a previous post). Adultery is clearly the second of these – it has been and still is in many places a crime.

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
8:08 pm

TownCrier
Better than King David
ancestor of the Christ
you do have the bonafides
for judging it seems.

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
8:09 pm

josef

June 21st, 2012
8:09 pm

TOWNCRIER

Well, using that contention of the meaning of misdemeanor, s/he could be impeached for going 85 in a 65 zone, jaywalking, spitting on the sidewalk…right?

godless heathen

June 21st, 2012
8:09 pm

“He never divorced his wife when his wife is dying of cancer.”

No but he committed perjury.

And are you still spreading that favorite libbie lie about Gingrich? Not only did Newt not serve divorce papers to his wife in the hospital, she is to this day, still alive, over 20 years later. I guess it was a slow death, time to be determined.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
8:11 pm

Dude, this sucka (the economy) is about to burn, burn, burn.

OH NOES! THE END IS NIGH!

MAN THE LIFEBOATS!

EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF!

josef

June 21st, 2012
8:11 pm

SOOTH

I beat you to it…but it wasn’t sneakers…it was her cutting board! And, matter taken care of, she went right back to chopping her fruit! :-)

getalife

June 21st, 2012
8:14 pm

godless,

I was talking about edwards.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
8:15 pm

“When was the last time your local DA brought charges against someone for adultery? Anyone?”

And your point is what? That it is okay just because, not wanting to be hypocrites or “rock the boat” or whatever, they choose not to do so? If it is truly harmful behavior, then why shouldn’t it be illegal (from even a libertarian POV)?

“Like I asked, are we laying a Christian law foundation after the manner of Sharia law?”

In case you didn’t know, adultery is proscribed in the OT as well – making it a Jewish law foundation as well if you want to proceed with down such an inane path. Libertarians define wrong in terms of harm. That suffices to make adultery a crime. Got anything else?

Paul

June 21st, 2012
8:15 pm

Towncrier

“Really? Is that all you can respond with? ”

I asked you a question. Seems to me you want to criminalize behavior based on what you consider a violation of your religious beliefs, what with all the Biblical references.

So I ask again: Christians are opposed to Muslims imposing laws in this country based on their religious beliefs. It appears you are proposing criminalizing action based on your religious beliefs.

Are you?

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
8:16 pm

get a life
what is a clenis card?

Paul

June 21st, 2012
8:18 pm

Towncrier

“Adultery is clearly the second of these – it has been and still is in many places a crime.”

Federal, applying to elected officials in the Legislative and Executive?

Citation?

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
8:19 pm

“Well, using that contention of the meaning of misdemeanor, s/he could be impeached for going 85 in a 65 zone, jaywalking, spitting on the sidewalk…right?”

You are simply pointing to the ambiguity or generality of the Constitution in places. It is a judgement call, I will concede. But you will never be blackmailed for speeding or spitting or jaywalking, nor will you destroy a family – so not quite as gray as you’d make it our to be. Perhaps the adjective “high” applies as well to misdemeanors.

getalife

June 21st, 2012
8:19 pm

willard surrenders the Latino vote.

godless heathen

June 21st, 2012
8:21 pm

getalife tells another lie to cover his first one. Sad.

Erwin's cat

June 21st, 2012
8:22 pm

TP…no offense, gotta play D ffffffff….everything I said yesterday is true…and free beer tomorrow 8)

getalife

June 21st, 2012
8:22 pm

frog,

Clinton’s penis is clenis.

cons are fascinated with that card.

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
8:22 pm

Paul

June 21st, 2012
8:22 pm

Towncrier

“And your point is what?”

That since, as was asserted, adultery is criminal in some states, DAs are being derelict in enforcing the law.

Which gets to the mantra people use regarding Pres Obama and immigration.

“In case you didn’t know, adultery is proscribed in the OT as well”

Then are you laying the Jewish foundation for law after the manner of Sharia law?

You sure have a difficult time answering a simple question brought on by your vague assertions, you know that?

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
8:23 pm

“So I ask again: Christians are opposed to Muslims imposing laws in this country based on their religious beliefs. It appears you are proposing criminalizing action based on your religious beliefs.”

I will answer your question if you answer this one: from whence do you derive your moral standards and should they be the basis for laws in our country? Or do you think there is no link between law and morality (if so, please explain why)?

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 21st, 2012
8:23 pm

Things re sexual peccadillos changed dramatically, drastically between JFK’s time & Clinton’s. We mostly didn’t hear about JFK until years later as the press & media kept pretty quiet about it. But with Clinton, no such protection or discretion. Also, we did not hear about Ike or FDR until much later. My question is: What changed? And why?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
8:24 pm

josef:

“As to the first part, yes, I do. But that was stupid, not criminal. As for King David…nyanh, not that far.”

Criminal ? No
Sinful? Yes
Unethical? Yes
Violation of Regulations? Yes

But most important ………….. any federal manager caught in the same situation ………. sex with a female subordinate, under his chain of command, on government property (and probably on government time) would and should have been fired.

The question is ………… do we expect the same or less from a president ?

getalife

June 21st, 2012
8:25 pm

godless,

Both the newt and the hair.

Steve - USA ("None of the Above")

June 21st, 2012
8:25 pm

“Complete personal attack. Jay, are you there?”

Mommy…..help me.

godless heathen

June 21st, 2012
8:25 pm

Sooth, Grandma had a saying about counting chickens.

josef

June 21st, 2012
8:25 pm

FROG

I’m a Levite, so I can judge… :-)

godless heathen

June 21st, 2012
8:26 pm

What getalife?? You sticking by your lie?

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
8:27 pm

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
8:27 pm

“That since, as was asserted, adultery is criminal in some states, DAs are being derelict in enforcing the law.”

Agreed. Either enforce laws or dispense with them (get them off the books).

“Then are you laying the Jewish foundation for law after the manner of Sharia law?”

No. Simply exposing what I think is a lame attempt to devalue my points by associating it with extreme religious positions. You apparently don’t seem to realize that there are hardly any pure positions on one end of the spectrum or another (say like allowing absolutely NO abortions or allowing any and ALL abortions) – that in almost all cases it comes down to drawing lines.

JKL2

June 21st, 2012
8:28 pm

getalife- This is how obama govern’s. A disaster waiting to happen.

Vote obama: It’s still Bush’s fault!

Sarah Gee

June 21st, 2012
8:28 pm

Has Jay been off with the other progressive mouthpieces getting his talking points from the DNC on the overthrow of Obamacare. They must be really focused on using the SCOTUS to divide us even more.
Do you think we will here the dictated column early next week or will he wait till later to spout his talking points.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
8:28 pm

This is the best comeback line I have seen in a long time ! Go Ann !

“A Michigan legislator, Lisa Brown, gave a speech in the statehouse last week that would have made her right at home in a women’s studies course at a local community college, but a wacko in a group of actual legislators. She commented on a pending abortion bill by first announcing that she was Jewish, kept kosher, described her various sets of plates, and then saying that Jewish law makes abortion mandatory to save the life of the mother.

This had absolutely nothing to do with the bill being considered, but it may explain why there are no Jewish Tim Tebows.

Then she said: “I have not asked you to adopt and adhere to my religious beliefs. Why are you asking me to adopt yours?”

Her smashing crescendo was: “And finally Mr. Speaker, I’m flattered that you’re all so interested in my vagina, but ‘no’ means ‘no’!”

HERE IT IS FROM ANN:

“Do what you want with your vagina. Pro-lifers just want to stop babies from being killed. It would be as though a slaveholder complained that Republicans wanted to regulate his anus by abolishing slavery and taking away his right to crap on his slaves.”

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-06-20.html#read_more

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
8:29 pm

“But most important ………….. any federal manager caught in the same situation ………. sex with a female subordinate, under his chain of command, on government property (and probably on government time) would and should have been fired. The question is ………… do we expect the same or less from a president ?

Liberals seem to be quite at home with double standards, it would seem.

Orange 12

June 21st, 2012
8:29 pm

Romney as yet has not offered any viable solutions to this problem and he needs to start putting something togather now. Problem is, how do you reward bad behavior?
How do you please your base without destroying the chance of aquiring voters bent on legalizing every illegal alien in CONUS? Illegal immigration is a multifaceted problem: First, you have the illegal parents of children born in CONUS which automatically makes them a U.S., citizen according to some law which i feel has been grossly misinterpreted, what do you do with the parents? Second, children who were brought here by their illegal parents. Third, illegals here only to make a better life for themselves (throw the BS flag on that one, make a better life for themselves in their native country). On top of that, if you don’t legalize everyone of them some group is going to call you the old Lib tried and true attack word – Racist. Maybe that is why he is waiting so long to put forth a plan as it takes a little longer to formulate a lasting plan that works for the majority instead of a two year election year trick that that has no lasting effect and will be revisited every two years like Obama is trying to do. One thing is for sure. Whatever plan he comes up with will piss off some small group with big mouths.

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
8:31 pm

josef
good. go for it.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
8:32 pm

“My question is: What changed? And why?”

The civil rights and anti-war movement of the 60’s brought much out in the open. It has been different ever since. Now, hardly anyone knows how to exercise discretion.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
8:32 pm

Not only did Newt not serve divorce papers to his wife in the hospital, she is to this day, still alive, over 20 years later.

Yep, she is.

But he did come to the hospital while she was undergoing treatment to argue over the specifics of the divorce. And even according to the children, they got into a heated argument.

This is not behavior that is conducive to healing.

Just sayin’.

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
8:34 pm

“Sooth, Grandma had a saying about counting chickens.”

We’ll see, we’ll see.

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
8:35 pm

Bud,

Can you please tell me what the stupid part is ?

I don’t take your assault to be mean I take it as a cry for my therapist. He really can help you. He can teach you to redirect your hate and rage and put more into fixing the problem.

By the way, if you follow this blog you would know that nobody on it thinks I am liberal. You can ask josef, Brocefus (whatever), both sides or any other person on here.

Matter of fact I usually fight with all of them and I do so from a conservative position but I will tell you this, you are not a conservative, you are a virus. My conservative party understands that freedom demands many views. Democrats are part of this country as are republicans, gay-straight, black and white.

As a conservative I have strong views on church and state, abortion and childcare but so do liberals. I respect their right to say and believe what they wish but I also hope that they would never impose upon me as in reality I know that my imposing on them is anything but American.

I have had good liberal men and women watching my back and I trust them with my life.

However I could never trust you or yours with my country.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
8:36 pm

“Whatever plan he comes up with will piss off some small group with big mouths.”

Look in the mirror much

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
8:39 pm

Joseph,

I am stupid what is FNM

Fox News Man ?

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
8:40 pm

getalife
clinton loves bush.

Paul

June 21st, 2012
8:40 pm

Towncrier

“I will answer your question if you answer this one: from whence do you derive your moral standards and should they be the basis for laws in our country? Or do you think there is no link between law and morality (if so, please explain why)?”

You’ve pulled this nonsense before. You make assertions, you’re asked to explain and you refuse to do so unless you get to ask a question first.

Indicates you’re trying to divert, which indicates you realize you have a very weak position or you haven’t a clue how to explain yourself.

Your question is not on topic for your original post. You’re asking me to opine about laws and morality. It is, as Jay so nicely points out in other cases, a ‘rabbit hole.’

So, Towncrier, stop diverting and just answer the simple question, okay? Because it now appears you realize you sound just like Muslims advocating institution of Sharia law in various locales around the world.

Trouble is, I’m not sure you even realize you should be embarrassed.

josef

June 21st, 2012
8:41 pm

MAMA

You tell him, Sister!

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
8:42 pm

FNM = Friday Night Music. One day from now at about 4:30 pm.

Mike

June 21st, 2012
8:43 pm

Jay, you are still a shill for everything Obama says or does. Don’t you ever have a personal thought on any subject or have you been a parrot so long you just can’t. What will you do next January when Barry and Michelle and the bobsey twins have to move out of the White House? I guess you’ll blame George Bush and the vast right wing conspiracy and claim that his loss was racially motivated. Will he and you libs sue for a do-over? How about some objective reporting for a change?

Paul

June 21st, 2012
8:43 pm

Scoout

“But most important ………….. any federal manager caught in the same situation ………. sex with a female subordinate, under his chain of command, on government property (and probably on government time) would and should have been fired.”

ahhhh…. nope.

Want me to start listing general officers for you?

josef

June 21st, 2012
8:44 pm

MAMA

Friday Night Music.

…oh, and under normal circumstances I wouldn’t make a point of this, but I’m JoseF with an “f,” Not JosePH with a “ph”…don’t want to get confused with THAT one on here… :=

Paul

June 21st, 2012
8:46 pm

barking frog

“that cite stuff is so schoolyard.”

Looks like some bloggers here flunked schoolyard, as they were unable to provide a cite as you did. I tried to help them along by noting in the context they discussed it’s state, not federal, and even in federal it varies, but they still couldn’t get it.

Perhaps you could schedule some remedial schoolyard time for them?

Doggone/GA

June 21st, 2012
8:48 pm

“The Constitution specifies high crimes and MISDEMEANORS”

In Constitutional shorthand, it’s actually high crimes and high misdemeanors…and “misdemearnor” is not, anyway, the more or less innocuous “crime” of current jurisprudence

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
8:48 pm

Josef-uppity josef
Joseph ????

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
8:49 pm

Yeah I know, I am on a pad with auto correct. That’s why from time to time my posts looks like I have turrets.

Sorry

ld

June 21st, 2012
8:49 pm

In light of the many contradictions in the statements of Mitt Romney, I’ve come to the conclusion that the man actually has no heartfelt personal opinion about most subjects.

It certainly seems as if Romney has cared only about making money and avoiding paying taxes for so very long that, family aside, he has paid little to no attention to anyone or anything else. It seems that nothing and no one else was important enough for him to waste his time thinking about much less forming a considered opinion on it.

The political parties spend a lot of money on polls and focus groups. As someone whose only interest, aside from his family, has been and likely still is money, he would likely wants to get “value” for that money, and, with no genuine feelings of his on on all those subjects he formerly thought not worth his time, he has been waiting on the poll and focus group results on those issues, including the issue of immigration.

In the primary, the polls would have been aimed at pleasing the GOP base, so, too, were his statements. Now that the demographic being polled is wider, and having no anchor in his own “gut feelings” or personal convictions, he seems determined to be as mixed an undetermined as the results of close polls seem to require–hoping people will hear what they want to hear.

He once said, very tellingly,’ I cannot say what I’ll do or people will not vote for me’. He’s right; however, people do not like voting for a ‘pig in a poke either’.

JamVet

June 21st, 2012
8:50 pm

Poor Bud.

Mama, I am not sure that I have ever seen him offer a post that was not dripping with venom and personal insults.

Seriously.

Speaking of which, Mike, I suspect you wouldn’t be able to define the word objective if the dictionary was open to that page…(Hint, Fair & Balanced is just an idiotic slogan!)

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
8:50 pm

Uh oh! health insurance companies owe policy holders $1 billions rebates. The ACA requires that health insurance companies spend at least 85% of their revenues on health care costs. The $1 billions is the difference between that 85% and what they actually spent. No focking wonder they’re against ACA.

Paul

June 21st, 2012
8:52 pm

Towncrier

““That since, as was asserted, adultery is criminal in some states, DAs are being derelict in enforcing the law.”

Agreed. Either enforce laws or dispense with them (get them off the books).”

I do agree with that.

BUT

Can you imagine any Republican sponsoring such legislation?

Seriously?

I see you did attempt to answer the question at 8:27

“Then are you laying the Jewish foundation for law after the manner of Sharia law?”

“No. Simply exposing what I think is a lame attempt to devalue my points by associating it with extreme religious positions. You apparently don’t seem to realize that there are hardly any pure positions on one end of the spectrum or another (say like allowing absolutely NO abortions or allowing any and ALL abortions) – that in almost all cases it comes down to drawing lines.”

Lame attempt to devalue your positions? Wasn’t it you who brought up the whole adultery thing with Biblical references as a basis for getting someone out of office?

So it appears you’ve gone from a Biblical basis for bringing charges for adultery, to saying it’s a law and should be enforced, to saying if the laws aren’t going to be enforced to drop them, to saying it’s all an attempt to defend yourself from those who try to devalue your position.

Whew.

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
8:53 pm

“What will you do next January when Barry and Michelle and the bobsey twins have to move out of the White House?”

Mike, I’m afraid I have some bad news for you.

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
8:53 pm

With all that said I reserve my right to be my argumentative conservative self, which at times may result in my casting insults at you liberals, you know y’all make me crazy with your lunacy.

Cool ?

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
8:54 pm

“You’ve pulled this nonsense before. You make assertions, you’re asked to explain and you refuse to do so unless you get to ask a question first.”

Because you are using a ploy to try to put me in a corner. It is an age old parlor trick and I suppose you think I am not cognizant of it (or else maybe your are showing your ignorance here). The reason I asked you a question in return was to expose your own hypocrisy – unless you don’t believe that there is any correlation between morality and law. Otherwise, as I am sure you realize, I could with equal rightness suggest that YOU are making YOUR morality (and its basis) a standard of Sharia law.

“Indicates you’re trying to divert, which indicates you realize you have a very weak position or you haven’t a clue how to explain yourself.”

See above.

“Your question is not on topic for your original post. You’re asking me to opine about laws and morality. It is, as Jay so nicely points out in other cases, a ‘rabbit hole.’”

See above

“So, Towncrier, stop diverting and just answer the simple question, okay? Because it now appears you realize you sound just like Muslims advocating institution of Sharia law in various locales around the world.”

Not at all. I am not for making church attendance or tithing or giving to the poor law. But you seem to want to put me in that corner, as your above statement intimates (your agenda in asking the question you did is now revealed). But adultery, murder, theft, lying and wrongs like that, while proscribed in the Bible, are also proscribed elsewhere throughout history. Hence such moral codes do not constitute a strictly biblical moral basis for law.

“Trouble is, I’m not sure you even realize you should be embarrassed.”

Trouble is, I don’t think you even know what you are aiming at outside of trying to paint me into a corner of your own making. Why don’t you think it over and come back later?

Doggone/GA

June 21st, 2012
8:54 pm

“Cool ?”

And would it matter if we said “No, not cool”?

josef

June 21st, 2012
8:55 pm

FROG

JosePH = Shmuck Joseph :-)

Paul

June 21st, 2012
8:56 pm

Evening, Sooth

Any wonder why Republicans want to overturn the ACA?

Thank that’s one part they’ll replace? Like maybe with “we don’t care how much you charge for premiums and how little you spend on policyholder benefits, because, after all, this IS a free market!”

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
8:56 pm

Probably not Doggone, but I am trying to insult in a new friendly way.

josef

June 21st, 2012
8:56 pm

MAMA

“… y’all make me crazy…”

G-d made you crazy, we’re just pointing it out! :-)

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
8:58 pm

“Lame attempt to devalue your positions? Wasn’t it you who brought up the whole adultery thing with Biblical references as a basis for getting someone out of office?”

I alluded to King David because I greatly admire him as a leader. As you might know, God left him on the throne. And He brought no less an evil person as Manasseh back to the throne after being captured and imprisoned. My point in bring Him up was not to make a case for the Bible as law, but to show that even as great a man as David murdered in order to cover up his adultery (so what might Clinton do if blackmailed?). That was the only reason. You guys read way too much into what I say.

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
9:00 pm

Paul
1 google got the site.
providing it added nothing
to the conversation and
not providing it did not
detract. a little known
fact would maybe need
substantiation unless it
was an original thought,
otherwise it’s just one of
the diversions.
Newton cited an apple.

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
9:00 pm

Oh the love and hate of politics.

What gives ? I am fighting with a professed conservative and talking calmly with a lib.

Hope nobody is watching.

Obama sucks !

Now I feel better

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
9:02 pm

You guys read way too much into what I say.

It’s not what you say, it’s what you don’t say.

You’re’ still dancing around Paul’s question.

Just sayin’.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 21st, 2012
9:03 pm

Josef honey, nobody reading this blog would EVER confuse you with Joseph.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
9:04 pm

“You guys read way too much into what I say.”

And I need to own that I often expect people to read between the lines, or follow my thinking when everything is not explicitly laid out, in a blog like this. To that extent I am blameworthy in causing unnecessary confusion and apologize.

Paul

June 21st, 2012
9:04 pm

Towncrier

“alluded”?!!?

Seemed pretty direct. But I’m sure you recognize that when you start citing millennia-old examples from Judeo-Christian scripture, you do give the impression of laying a religious justification for your position.

And I’m sure you’re aware the ‘might be blackmailed’ herring is the same used to criminalize homosexual conduct some decades back.

As far as reading too much into what you write, that’s why I ask questions. Which you could easily have answered the first time instead of proceeding with the “I will answer what I mean when you answer this!!!” nonsense.

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
9:05 pm

Josef
levite away.

josef

June 21st, 2012
9:07 pm

MAMA
@ 9:00

Yeah, some days be like that! I just figure it’s the phase of the moon… :-)

Jokes aside, though, when are we going to get it through I thick skulls that you can agree down the wire on point A, be diametrically opposed on point B, and reach a compromise on point C.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
9:08 pm

Towncrier:

“Double Standard” is their motto.

josef

June 21st, 2012
9:09 pm

FROG

I dunno… one of Unmentionable’s comebacks on me is Levite alone! Or Levite go! :-)

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
9:10 pm

Yes,Scout at times “Double standard” has been your motto on this blog as well

Not just “theirs”………….

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
9:11 pm

Paul:

I believe the question was (maybe I didn’t word it well) should a president be held to the same or lower standard than the federal employees that work under him (no pun intended).

josef:

Feel free to jump in.

josef

June 21st, 2012
9:11 pm

SCOUT

“Double Standard” is their motto.

Says the master of the scriptural two-step! :-)

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
9:11 pm

“Seemed pretty direct. But I’m sure you recognize that when you start citing millennia-old examples from Judeo-Christian scripture, you do give the impression of laying a religious justification for your position.”

No, I don’t always realize that but guess I should. I don’t mix it up with liberals much in real life, so some times I am not aware of how I appear to them.

“And I’m sure you’re aware the ‘might be blackmailed’ herring is the same used to criminalize homosexual conduct some decades back.”

Huh? Are you saying it wasn’t a real possibility and therefore should be dismissed as a “herring”? And no, I wasn’t aware of that.

“As far as reading too much into what you write, that’s why I ask questions. Which you could easily have answered the first time instead of proceeding with the “I will answer what I mean when you answer this!!!” nonsense.”

I suspect you had me “pegged” in your own mind as a religious quack and was eager to paint me into that corner. If that is true, at least be man enough to own up to it.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
9:11 pm

P.S.

If not ………… then the president is above the law.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
9:12 pm

josef:

Nope ………… the N.T. fulfills the O.T. Big difference …………… :o

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
9:13 pm

josef
good levite on his part.

Paul

June 21st, 2012
9:13 pm

Towncrier, only you would think someone asking you “is this what you mean? If not, what do you mean?” is a “ploy to try to put me in a corner.”

“Not at all. I am not for making church attendance or tithing or giving to the poor law. But you seem to want to put me in that corner”

Nope. As I’ve stated, I asked you to explain what you mean. You avoided.

I suppose it feeds some sort of put-upon complex?

barking frog

Well, when people go on with stating what is and is not a violation of law, and begin mixing state and federal, and different standards within federal, I think it only fair to ask them what’s forming the basis of their assertions.

G Mare

“Josef honey, nobody reading this blog would EVER confuse you with Joseph.”

I inadvertently addressed a post to josef as joseph and josef thought he was Joseph. He’s easily confused. Be gentle with him.

josef

June 21st, 2012
9:13 pm

SCOUT

Jump in? My whole point on it all, is why was it ever brought up to begin with. Put another way, if he got his BJ at home, would that be different? Well, he WAS at home…he just happened to be living at 1600…

weetamoe

June 21st, 2012
9:14 pm

Obama said well I like you hispanics so I am going to agree with Janet here that there is not enough money to enforce illegal immigration laws so I will waive it for your group to show you how much I like you and how much republicans hate blacks and hispanics and a whole buncha other people (and by the way those folks who say I am divisive are just big old liars.) And this waiver is just good for a few months so if you don’t vote for me in November Mitt is going to send you all back to work for the drug cartels.

josef

June 21st, 2012
9:15 pm

PAUL

Keep it up, Pombo, I got your confusion! :-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
9:16 pm

Obama said well…

Aaannnnnnddd I quit reading.

Obvious strawman.

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
9:16 pm

Well I am not sure we are in a cycle that will allow something like that josef.

I think both sides have gotten into a trance brought on by our own rhetoric.

I truly do not believe that this cannot be fixed with the parties we have now. Money is big. The media plays the game for it, the politicians make the arguments based on it and the sides keep parsing the others words.

We need to step back, find a person who can be midstream and libs and cons need to support that person.

josef

June 21st, 2012
9:16 pm

SCOUT

In your theological cosmos…not in mine.

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
9:21 pm

Mmmm yawn

Republicans are not good on immigration reform

Democrats are too
Unions don’t want real immigration reform

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
9:21 pm

“Nope. As I’ve stated, I asked you to explain what you mean. You avoided. I suppose it feeds some sort of put-upon complex?”

Your claim here might seem truthful if not your original question be this:

“Like I asked, are we laying a Christian law foundation after the manner of Sharia law?”

Why mention Sharia law at all in you initial query? Why not ask “are you proposing that the Bible be the basis for our laws?” and if I answered affirmatively then ask “how is that different from the imposition of Sharia law?” Just as you assumed that I should know how making biblical allusions here might be taken, I assume you should know how your question appears to contain an implicit accusation. Maybe you weren’t and I am just reacting to the way others have (and even people like Hannity try to do this) tried to box people in by asking a question in a certain way.

josef

June 21st, 2012
9:21 pm

MAMA

We have two candidates who are midstream now…it’s that the extremes of both sides are trying to paint the other as not…

Paul

June 21st, 2012
9:23 pm

josef

“and reach a compromise on point C.”

I thought that was a violation of Republican orthodoxy?

Towncrier

“And I need to own that I often expect people to read between the lines, or follow my thinking when everything is not explicitly laid out, in a blog like this. To that extent I am blameworthy in causing unnecessary confusion and apologize.”

Welcome to the club -

Scout

I’ve thought about that. Remember when I asked it those in the chain of command of those Secret Service agents should be fired? You responded there are judicial proceedings that must be followed. So it seems to me to remove someone from their position requires a violation of a code clearly stated.

I’m sure you know the president is the Commander in Chief, but he is definitely NOT subject to all offenses listed in the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Towncrier

My point about the homosexual conduct and blackmail was that it was used as a reason only because society had criminalized the behavior and sought to prosecute and shame those engaged in such behavior.

When the criminal sanctions and societal shame were removed, the rationale behind the blackmail argument disappeared.

“I suspect you had me “pegged” in your own mind as a religious quack and was eager to paint me into that corner. If that is true, at least be man enough to own up to it.”

Nope, else I wouldn’t have asked you to explain. Many bloggers here assume and go on the attack. I generally like to, at least with bloggers with whom I am unfamiliar, figure out what it is they’re saying and why they’re saying it.

And I apologize for the ‘nonsense’ add-on. Wasn’t necessary.

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
9:23 pm

ld

June 21st, 2012
9:25 pm

Mama Says:

In a perfect world parents would not be so lazy and/or corrupt themselves that they would need to inflict upon a child mental and emotional abuse –terrorism– in order to teach them right from wrong; instead, they’d teach by example and would not be hypocrites.

In a perfect world, children would not be repeatedly told that some invisible non-human thing was stalking them and everyone else everywhere all the time watching all that people do waiting for people to make it displeased, whereupon this invisible, non-human thing would make a notation in a book that the person is eventually to be put somewhere to be tortured forever.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
9:25 pm

“And I apologize for the ‘nonsense’ add-on. Wasn’t necessary.”

Good enough, my friend. We cool. And I am out. Good night, all.

Paul

June 21st, 2012
9:26 pm

Mama says

“I think both sides have gotten into a trance brought on by our own rhetoric.”

It’s the normal situation when Jay goes on holiday -

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
9:28 pm

“[W]hereupon this invisible, non-human thing would make a notation in a book that the person is eventually to be put somewhere to be tortured forever.”

I’m tortured every night on this infernal blog!

That Black Guy

June 21st, 2012
9:28 pm

Recon 0311 2533

June 21st, 2012
9:29 pm

Why in the hell should Romney accommodate jay or other democraps by discussing his policy on anything. Obama is twisting in the wind and Romney would be wise to let him twist in the wind up until late September and then lay out his agenda. Obama is on a losing course keep him there.

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
9:30 pm

Romney will make a good leader and president

Obama, not so much

getalife

June 21st, 2012
9:30 pm

cons are acting like insane zombies.

They blame the other side.

The problem is you.

Act like Americans.

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
9:31 pm

Recon

It doesn’t matter what Romney says, jay and libs will criticize

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
9:32 pm

getalife
North or South?

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
9:32 pm

Getalife stays unhinged

Paul

June 21st, 2012
9:32 pm

Towncrier

“Why mention Sharia law at all in you initial query?”

As I understand it, Sharia uses their scriptural text to codify their laws. Many here (and on here tonight) have been of the ‘oh no, Muslims want to bring Sharia Law to the US!!) camp. I was framing it to show, if that was your intent, that what they decried in one was precisely what was now under consideration, barring further clarification (remember, as I had pointed out to me, we are not the only ones reading the posts).

I find the multi-question example you gave tends to get people more defensive thinking “what’s he maneuvering to?” rather than a straightforward, yes or no type question.

And I do agree, Hannity is a master at inane questions and comparisons that insult the intelligence of those who give them a moments’ consideration -

josef

June 21st, 2012
9:33 pm

PAUL

“…homosexual conduct…”

I got a C- in that….

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
9:33 pm

Frog! Que pasa?

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
9:34 pm

Romney will push real immigration reform because this business community wants it

Vote Romney for real progress

Doggone/GA

June 21st, 2012
9:35 pm

“My point about the homosexual conduct and blackmail was that it was used as a reason only because society had criminalized the behavior and sought to prosecute and shame those engaged in such behavior”

Or, in other words, society CREATED the very situation they claimed to have been worried about.

Paul

June 21st, 2012
9:35 pm

Recon

“Why in the hell should Romney accommodate jay or other democraps by discussing his policy on anything. ”

Really? And Republicans ridiculed those who voted for someone based on Hope and Change?

Isn’t what you’re saying is “we don’t have a clue what is positions are, but we hope he’ll change things?”

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
9:35 pm

I do not like battier

Whiner

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
9:36 pm

Paul

June 21st, 2012
9:36 pm

Doggone/GA

Exactly.

josef

I did okay on the multiple-choice part -

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
9:37 pm

As long as we have international borders we will have immigration problems.

I am not a one world guy but, the immigration issue as it is now promises more fighting.

The liberal emotional thinking folks (don’t let them suffer emotion) wants them to be able to enjoy the fruits of our country.

The cons, analytical thinkers (the law is the law folks) want integrity and respect for the laws

The political minded upper echelon libs know that immigration being reformed to the standard that most of the party base wants also know that accomplishing free immigration or more liberal immigration policy would eventually take the “cons are racist” argument away from them.

Once immigration reaches the point that the liberal base wants those Hispanics become free to think past that issue. Most Hispanics are conservative Catholics, that ain’t good for the libs.

In other words the parties cannot fix immigration because they are locked into the political arguments that they currently benefit from.

In truth I do see a liberal immigration policy as a huge problem in the making for the established political libs

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
9:38 pm

Nada? Por que?

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
9:40 pm

Made in China Not Worth Hassle for Small Firms Returning to U.S.

When Sonja Zozula and Jerry Anderson founded LightSaver Technologies Inc. in 2009, everyone told them they should make their emergency lights for homeowners in China.

After two years of outsourcing to factories there, last winter they shifted production to Carlsbad, California, about 30 miles (48 kilometers) from their home in San Clemente. “It’s probably 30 percent cheaper to manufacture in China,” Anderson says. Besides hassles including shipping, “it’s a question of, ‘How do I value my time at three in the morning when I have to talk to China?’” he says.

As costs in China rise and owners consider the challenges of using factories 12,000 miles and 12 time zones away, many small companies have decided manufacturing overseas isn’t worth the trouble. American production is “increasingly competitive,” says Harry Moser, founder of the Reshoring Initiative, a group of companies and trade associations trying to bring factory jobs back to the U.S. “In the last two years there’s been a dramatic increase” in the amount of work returning.

An April poll of 259 American contract manufacturers — which make goods for other companies — showed 40 percent of respondents benefited this year from work previously done abroad, Bloomberg Businessweek reports in its June 25 issue. Nearly 80 percent were optimistic about 2012 sales and profits, according to the survey by MFG.com, a website that helps companies find manufacturers.

Finally, some good news! Could this be the beginning of the end for the neoliberal globalization model?

Recon 0311 2533

June 21st, 2012
9:41 pm

Jm,

jay and his libs on this blog won’t have anything to do with the outcome of Novembers election. They only think they have influence. Of course any influence that exists is only among themselves. I think the aftermath of this upcoming election will cause much crying and gnashing of teeth among jay’s faithful. It should be pathetic yet amusing to observe.

RW

June 21st, 2012
9:43 pm

Let’s see Mitten;s:
My wife should be committed to the Betty Ford Clinic for being addicted to horses”
“Illegals should “Self Deport”
” I like to fire people”
“Corporations are people too”
“Tying Seamus to the top of the family car for a family road trip”
“I Plan to defund Planned Parenthood”.
I’m just waiting for his magic underwear to fly him over Washington D.C. LOL!
This guy is a complete IDIOT!

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
9:44 pm

Jm
chile con frijoles.

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
9:45 pm

I’d,

I don’t know how to respond to that.

Your belief is your belief but even then if it were true I just could not understand how we were created or how a dirt dobber flies away from his nest and knows how to get back to it.

There has to be a creator, someone smarter than us

Paul

June 21st, 2012
9:46 pm

Another workday comes early.

Time to check out.

Pleasant evening, all -

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
9:47 pm

Recon, Romney can win but Obama is still favored odds wise
But I hope romney wins

Frog- amphibians should not eat chili, no wonder u r stopped up

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
9:48 pm

RW,

Your guy didn’t know how many states there were/are.

You voted for him didn’t you?

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
9:48 pm

Jm
B
O
O
M
!!!

Josef

June 21st, 2012
9:48 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
9:48 pm

The liberal emotional thinking folks…

[...]

The cons, analytical thinkers…

There’s your sign.

Recon 0311 2533

June 21st, 2012
9:48 pm

Paul, It’s politics and Obama’s on the ropes with a poor economy and emerging scandals, why not let he and his policies be the focus? I think Romney is wise to keep the focus on Obama and his failures.

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
9:49 pm

Outta here too,

Look forward to tomorrows fight

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
9:50 pm

Frog
That’s wrong

ld

June 21st, 2012
9:51 pm

Soothsayer:

Since your “torture” is voluntary, the word “masochistic” comes to mind.

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
9:51 pm

“[M]anufacturing in the U.S. is probably 2 percent to 5 percent cheaper once he takes into account the time and trouble of outsourcing production abroad.”

“There’s a growing sense, with the economy doing what it’s doing, of U.S. companies wanting to produce in the United States,” says Olson. “It’s very important to them to have ‘Made in the U.S.A.’ on their label again.”

“They’re [the Chinese] infamous over there for knocking off” products, says Phil Levin, chairman of the 10-employee company. “All anybody needs to do is find a different factory and make a mold.”

“The very thing in the U.S.A. that often-times we complain about –the complexity of the rules and the regulations — works for us,” says Chief Executive Officer Alan Shortall. “FDA compliance is the main reason we’re here.”

“Brian Bethke grew frustrated with manufacturing in China. The co-founder of Pigtronix, which makes pedals that create electric guitar sound effects, discovered that he couldn’t adequately monitor quality at Chinese factories.”

Josef

June 21st, 2012
9:51 pm

Mama

Why respond to ld at all? S/he’s just out to offend.

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
9:51 pm

Rich man can’t be bought

Obama is owned by the unions

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
9:51 pm

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
9:51 pm

Kam,

There were signs way before that

But thanks for noticing

JamVet

June 21st, 2012
9:52 pm

RW, all of the idiotic things that the man has said or done – and you listed a few – utterly pale in comparison to these five depraved words:

Corporations are people my friend.

The sellout and coward should never be allowed to even darken the doorway of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Neocons, prepare for a second straight McCaining…

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
9:53 pm

“Since your “torture” is voluntary, the word “masochistic” comes to mind.”

God knows, I’ve tried to quit!” Help me!

Mama Says

June 21st, 2012
9:54 pm

Josef,

I have been told that you could tell me water is wet and I would have a response

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
9:54 pm

Rich man can’t be bought

Not intended to be a factual statement.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
9:54 pm

Pigtronix,

Great for them……….. Great story

Recon 0311 2533

June 21st, 2012
9:57 pm

Jm,
I look at Gallup and Rasmussen. These two polling organizations poll daily and they’re typically close together most of the time. They both have on average Obama’s favorable ratings below 50%. I don’t think Obama is in a comfortable position to win the necessary swing states to win a second term. We shall see.

Josef

June 21st, 2012
9:58 pm

Mama

Yeah, me, too!

getalife

June 21st, 2012
10:00 pm

willard is not ready for prime time .

Weak, wishy washy, flip flopping weirdo.

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
10:00 pm

AJC.com is experiencing technical issues. What a relief! I thought it was the usual NSA and CIA monitoring of my posts. Thank God!

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
10:00 pm

Frog
No farting on the blog

Jay said so months ago :)

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
10:01 pm

water is wet.
depends on the temperature.

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
10:01 pm

Recon

Romney needs 2/3 of the swing state votes

We’ll see, he can win

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
10:03 pm

Bs foul call

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
10:04 pm

Brawl ball right now

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
10:05 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
10:06 pm

Willard is owned by the Ohio Art Company.

Etch-A-Sketch Man.

ld

June 21st, 2012
10:07 pm

Mama Says

While I have no objection to anyone having their own beliefs, I object to laws that enforce morality, imposing religious doctrine on others.

Some believe that life begins and conception (oppose abortion); others believe life begins at erection (oppose contraception); I believe life begins at birth when a child can live without the massive medical intervention now possible but rather as children lived when born when the man named Jesus walked this earth. I’ve never needed, nor wanted, nor had an abortion–nor will I (pregnancy now physically impossible) –however, there are good reasons for having them. Objections on religious grounds should do not make those reasons any less valid for a woman making a very personal and often difficult decision.

I find it astounding that some people pick and choose the lessons and/or instructions they take from the Bible and yet want to impose upon others those lessons they choose to embrace but refuse to impose upon themselves the other lessons of the Bible, not the least of which is ‘judge not that ye be not judged.

I acknowledge that not killing is one of the Bible’s better lessions. We all agree that killing is wrong. We do not all agree that an egg is a chicken or a fetus is a child. We do not all agree on the death penalty. We do not all agree on issues of war–which murders innocents.

Your idea of a united North America or at least USA south is something that seems likely if not inevitable, given the immigration reality. I’m not all that sure it will be a union entirely peacefully formed.

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
10:09 pm

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
10:10 pm

Kam

Obama is owned by Goodyear tire and rubber

He goes in circles and is very flexible

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
10:10 pm

josef:

“Jump in? My whole point on it all, is why was it ever brought up to begin with.Put another way, if he got his BJ at home, would that be different? Well, he WAS at home…he just happened to be living at 1600…”

And you would be wrong. Parts of the main building are the president’s residence. The West Wing if federal office space ………….. and in any case ………. it was with a suboridinate employee under his chain of command.

Now I ask again. Should a president be held to a higher, the same or a lesser standard that those who work for him/her.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
10:13 pm

Jm

Did you hear that the guy who is doing the DNC did a Romney fundraiser?

That could tip the election for sure………. the ripple effect of this will be felt for elections to come

:-)

Donovan

June 21st, 2012
10:15 pm

Romney said this and Romney said that…I love to see you liberals on the run. Scared little kittens. November will finally take you off the magic carpet ride you have enjoyed since Obama’s election.

Hope & Change just didn’t work out did it? Hollow dreams for hollow heads.

That Black Guy

June 21st, 2012
10:16 pm

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 21st, 2012
9:03 pm

Josef honey, nobody reading this blog would EVER confuse you with Joseph.
_____________________________________________________
G Mare, that’s OH SO TRUE. :lol:

Get Real

June 21st, 2012
10:16 pm

Paul…I have difficulty discussing a topic when one who thinks the sky is green and the grass is blue; besides I was on a plane and had to shut down.

Now I am back home and would like to state for the record that if you do not have issues with the Obama Whitehouse holding back information that will shed light on how a border agent was shot in the back and murdered then trying to debate you is a complete waste of my time.

And again, keep drinking the Kool-Aid

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
10:18 pm

“And again, keep drinking the Kool-Aid”

A recommendation from someone who has surely drank his share…….

:-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
10:19 pm

The guy who is doing the DNC did a Romney fundraiser?

ZOMG!

This is DEFINITELY a game changer.

The ramifications will be felt for EONS!

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
10:19 pm

Everyone have a great night and an even better tomorrow

Peace

ld

June 21st, 2012
10:20 pm

Josef calls someone a dumb a33 and says I intend to offend? Interesting.

They BOTH suck

June 21st, 2012
10:21 pm

Kam

Messing with Jm. Not sure how many times he has posted that. Guess he thinks it has some sort of relevance in terms of the election outcome

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
10:22 pm

Messing with Jm. Not sure how many times he has posted that.

Yeah, I get that.

ld

June 21st, 2012
10:28 pm

Back to the subject:

Why is this “policy” announced w/regard to immigration considered to be any meaningful change? During all of the Bush/Cheney administration and into this one, I’ve not really been hearing about massive numbers of deportations given that there are, supposedly, some twelve+ million illegals in this country? Making it a formal policy not to focus on one is a change on paper; however, in practice, just how much “change” is it? Since funds are limited — as is the will to enforce those laws, to some extent–the focus on any deportations made seems to have been on those that, for whatever reason, were brought to the attention of authorites by others rather than the authorities actively searching for illegals to deport.

Josef

June 21st, 2012
10:29 pm

ld

Just for the record, I didn’t call “someone” a dumbass. I called a ridiculous parody a dumbass. But, if I do, and from time to time I do, then, yes, I do intend to offend. Duh.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 21st, 2012
10:29 pm

Paul, I don’t think JOSEF is confused. You, I’m reserving judgement.

Get Real

June 21st, 2012
10:30 pm

Not at all Suck…just calling it a ball or a strike..it is what it is…

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
10:32 pm

Tbs 10:13 :) yeah yeah

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
10:33 pm

Sooth

Tin foil hats r on aisle 3

bman

June 21st, 2012
10:33 pm

sooth .. .. do you even know how odd of a person you are? lol

That Black Guy

June 21st, 2012
10:33 pm

Doggone, if you are still here, did you see my question about my dog (bull mastiff/Chow mix) and a caine corso? Male/female. Think it can work?

MSM - Fair and Balanced???

June 21st, 2012
10:34 pm

“On June 13, the CBS Evening News devoted a story by David Martin to the Afghanistan death count reaching 2,000, as Martin interviewed a mother of a fallen Marine. CBS was alone. There was no story last week on the Afghanistan death “milestone” on ABC, NBC, the PBS NewsHour – or even on the MSNBC programs found in Nexis, including Rachel “Our Military’s In a Perilous Drift” Maddow.

But the networks were all more aggressive when the 2,000 mark arrived in Iraq on October 25, 2005. The Big Three networks devoted 14 morning and evening news stories to the death toll from October 24 through the end of October, and another 24 anchor briefs or mentions. They used the number to spell “disaster for this White House.””

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2012/06/21/unlike-2000-death-count-iraq-abc-nbc-pbs-msnbc-skip-2000-marker-afghanis#ixzz1yUAZ1bJK

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
10:35 pm

And again, keep drinking the Kool-Aid

“When the going gets tough, the tough get going”, but only if, “the ball is in your court.” If you build a better mousetrap, the world will beat a path to your door”, just make sure you “burn the midnight oil” and “bend over backwards.” “A house divided against itself cannot stand,” but you can only “knock it out of the park” if you “keep your nose to the grindstone.”

godless heathen

June 21st, 2012
10:35 pm

I hope President Romney will rename it to Department of Homeland Insecurity

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 21st, 2012
10:36 pm

Tbs

I think it does ave relevance

Why on earth would a dem, in particular a lead dem, do a Romney fundraiser?

Obviously he’s a DINO, or more likely he just thinks O sux

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
10:36 pm

getalife

June 21st, 2012
10:37 pm

Yeah, the geniuses are voting for a party that collapsed the global economy.

The gop will show you a real depression.

Party first failures.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
10:39 pm

…it is what it is…

And it ain’t what it ain’t.

And repetition is repetition.

And tautology is saying the same thing, but just using different words.

Josef

June 21st, 2012
10:40 pm

Gmare

Paul’s my buddy…we like to twit each other…

Disillusioned Dem

June 21st, 2012
10:41 pm

I’m sure the GOP will find a way to make their shortcomings on immigration seem like the Democrats fault, and given the ineptitidue of the Democrats they will succeed and it will seem like the GOP is really the party that is pushing positive immigration reforms or at the very least they will make it seem like the Dems aren’t any better.

I firmly believe that the only reason why the GOP is as emboldened as they are and can get away with whatever they want is because the Dems are completely spineless. On nearly every issue, right or wrong, the GOP has managed to get out in front and define the dems position. Are there any fighters in the entire democratic party? I have fundamental disagreements with the GOP positions on just about everything, but if I’m honest with myself I admire the fact that they put up a fight.

I don’t want the GOP to win in 2012, but I’m almost to the point of sitting this one out in protest. Maybe a GOP win will produce some democratic leaders with backbone…then again I seriously doubt it.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 21st, 2012
10:42 pm

Sooth@10:30, if that is true, I hope you are packed for Gitmo:)

Soothsayer

June 21st, 2012
10:47 pm

“Sooth

Tin foil hats r on aisle 3″

“sooth .. .. do you even know how odd of a person you are? lol”

I’m glad you brought that up because the strangest thing happened the other day.

A bird (a dove, I think) flew into this 110-foot tall pine tree in my back yard. Of course, the bird disintegrated on impact, so I really didn’t give it much thought.

Then, about an hour later, I heard this loud “bang” and went running out to see what had happened.

To my shock and amazement, the tree had “collapsed” into a pile of sawdust.

Not only that, but a nearby tree that the bird didn’t even run into also “collapsed” into a pile of sawdust.

I’ve tried and I’ve tried to understand it, but it just doesn’t make any sense to me.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
10:48 pm

Cammie:

Depends on “what is is”.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 21st, 2012
10:49 pm

Josef@10:40, did you say TWIT? :)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
10:53 pm

Depends on “what is is”.

Absolutely

It also depends on what is meant by “I have made the decision to end my time here as a contributing poster.”

Seems that your words have a “double standard” also.

Glass houses, stones. That kind of thing.

That Black Guy

June 21st, 2012
10:55 pm

Josef

June 21st, 2012
10:57 pm

Gmare

Damned iPad :-)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
11:03 pm

Cammie:

Well then ………. here you go again !

You left some things out:

“After much soul searching I have made the decision to end my time here as a contributing poster. I could give several reasons why but the main one is the continuing decline of civility among posters. I wish to use my time for more uplifting endeavors.

If I have offended anyone I apologize and I can assure you it was just my particular brand of satire or hyperbole. Nothing was ever intended to be personal.”

I hope all of you will make a concerted effort to “raise the bar” as I believe the posters on these threads are a representative cross-section of this country – and right now that is not good.”

#1) I am not running for president and what I posted had to do with me personally at the time NOT what I was promising to do for the American people if elected.

#2) I’m baaaack !

#3) It’s good to know I get under your skin with my favorite Romney campaign slogan to the point that you would take the time to find my previous post. Look for it again and again.

#4) In the meantime, you have a president that is in serious trouble of being re-elected.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 21st, 2012
11:06 pm

Yeah, I do know, being on one myself. Okay, Paul, it seems Josef is vouching for you & I am SO not here to make enemies, I will continue reading your posts. Okay, friends, or at least tolerant of our differing views?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
11:06 pm

P.S. to Cammie:

I changed my mind and came back.

Obama wrote a check he couldn’t cash.

Big difference.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
11:06 pm

P.S. to Cammie:

I changed my mind and came back.

Obama wrote a check he couldn’t cash.

Big difference.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
11:07 pm

“is” ……….. “was” ……………. :o

getalife

June 21st, 2012
11:07 pm

Looks like there will be a party in Miami tonight.

Atlanta1

June 21st, 2012
11:09 pm

Fast and Furious

Get used to it…

It’s going to dog the Democrats right up to Election Day.

And it should…

Unethical

Badly mishandled

Apparently went all the way to the top.

That Black Guy

June 21st, 2012
11:12 pm

getalife

June 21st, 2012
11:07 pm

Looks like there will be a party in Miami tonight.
__________________________________________
I didn’t see that coming.

Not in 5

Josef

June 21st, 2012
11:25 pm

Gmare

Paul is the founder and CEO of the blog’s EOI (of which I am a charter member) EOI.? Equal Opportunity Instigator. :-)

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 21st, 2012
11:33 pm

Works for me! Uh, what happened in Miami tonight (been playing words with friends)?

Josef

June 21st, 2012
11:33 pm

getalife

June 21st, 2012
11:36 pm

TBG,

Miami was more focused this time.

They should win a few more.

GMare,

NBA Championship.

Miami won.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 21st, 2012
11:36 pm

Ah, a sports thing. Thanks, google.

tc

June 21st, 2012
11:40 pm

JB – you crack me up! Just thought I’d check in on the looneys while watching some sports. Always good for a laugh. How do you live day to day with all of the “evil” conservatives amongst you??? HA!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
11:57 pm

Cammie:

Now that wasn’t very nice.

Too bad those weren’t to my face.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 22nd, 2012
12:00 am

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 22nd, 2012
12:11 am

Thanks, Geta. Obviously, I don’t “do” sports. Probably because too many holiday celebrations had to be centered around whatever game was on. Perhaps, also,because my dad would watch tiddlywinks if it was called a sport. :) Must say, however, that I & my sibs spent many a happy hour in a nearby park learning to throw footballs & softballs, and to catch same in those old flat mitts. Remember “Put me in, Coach?”

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 22nd, 2012
12:27 am

Yeah, okay, we didn’t catch footballs in those flat mitts, but we did have fun. And Dad taught us girls along with our brother. Ah, I do, after so many years, miss my dad.
Goodnight all. Thanks for being here to let me say what I need to say. Balm in Gilead? Chicken soup of the soul?

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 22nd, 2012
12:28 am

FOR the soul ( damned Ipad).

Oblama

June 22nd, 2012
12:50 am

Brilliant Idea for Obama – Observe the laws on the books for a change. It’s criminal how he is ignoring the laws of this country when it suits him politically. Disgraceful.

ken

June 22nd, 2012
12:52 am

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 22nd, 2012
1:08 am

Hi, Oblama. Seems you & I are among the few left here so late in the night. Must tell you that I mostly scroll past your posts because you continually dis our President. That said, I respect your right to disagree. But is too much to ask that we disagree respectfully? Please respect the office if not the person holding it. Must admit, however, that I had a really hard time respecting it when Bush held that office. So it is what it is & we are where we are. Rodney King was far from being an exemplary citizen, but his words must resonate: can’t we all just get along.

Tundra Dude

June 22nd, 2012
1:42 am

“Insults are the arguments of those who have no arguments.”
~Rousseau, Jean-Jacques, (1712-78), French philosopher and social critic

Tundra Dude

June 22nd, 2012
1:48 am

Romney dawdles and ducks on immigration

So what. This is not a game-chsnging issue, imo.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 22nd, 2012
6:02 am

I see 43% at 0153 was the smartest thing he said… :)

Good, good Friday morning to all the rest of y’all!

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 22nd, 2012
6:07 am

This what every “Republican” who is not in the top 1% should be thinking…

http://lolcats.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/06/21/funny-cat-pictures-classic-lolcat-76/

Uncle Billy

June 22nd, 2012
6:52 am

Mitt has the appearance of a punch drunk boxer. He just got hit from a direction he did not expect to get hit from. Perhaps Ali is one of Obama’s campaign advisers. “Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.”

Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion

June 22nd, 2012
7:08 am

I hope Sandusky goes to jail for a looonnnnge time

Justice may be coming

ken

June 22nd, 2012
7:11 am

Jm-pass, me too

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 22nd, 2012
7:18 am

Dawdles and ducks.

And they called 41 a wimp.

godless heathen

June 22nd, 2012
7:24 am

Oh no, Even Granny has turned on Obama. The one that has dawdled and ducked the immigration issue for 3.5 years before making a timid gesture right before the election.

MiltonMan

June 22nd, 2012
7:32 am

Yes it is wonderful that the current clown-in-chief has been so open and honest with us:

(1) I will be the most transparent president – ever.
(2) I will cut the deficit in half
(3) I will close Gitmo Bay
(4) It’s all Bush’s fault
etc.
etc.

Libs blast Mitt yet panders to their man who is doing nothing more than dividing this country even further.

MiltonMan

June 22nd, 2012
7:34 am

“Please respect the office if not the person holding it.”

Good God. A typical lib who all of a sudden wants to be civil with their clown is in office. Where were you when the libs were slamming W left and right pal???

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 22nd, 2012
7:38 am

godless heathen

do you start every morning with a false and foolish assertion?

i prefer raisin bran.

sometimes you are such a ninny.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 22nd, 2012
7:46 am

Speaking of dawdle and duck….

From TPM

Here are seven major issues on which Romney has refused to take a stand:

1. Romney won’t say whether he would undo Obama’s decision to end deportations of DREAM-eligible immigrants.

2. Romney won’t say whether he’d support the Paycheck Fairness Act.

3. Romney won’t specify which tax loopholes he’d close.

4. Romney won’t say which federal agencies he’d eliminate.

5. Romney won’t say whether he supports the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.

6. Romney won’t say whether he’d support full reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act.

7. Romney won’t say whether say whether he’d eliminate the “carried interest” tax break for private equity partners.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 22nd, 2012
7:48 am

MiltonMan

June 22nd, 2012
7:32 am

Regurgitating stuff from yesterday? Have nothing new for today? Pity, that…

Jay

June 22nd, 2012
7:59 am

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 22nd, 2012
8:02 am

Good God. A typical lib who all of a sudden wants to be civil with their clown is in office. Where were you when the libs were slamming W left and right pal???

Good God. A typical con who all of a sudden wants to be concerned with the deficit. Where were you when the cons were spending like fools and cutting taxes and starting unpaid for wars left and right pal???

Which is the more significant issue?

TiredOfIt

June 22nd, 2012
8:05 am

This is the only quote you need to know from Romney:

I’m not familiar precisely with exactly what I said, but I stand by what I said, whatever it was. I’ll go back and take a look at what was said there.

That’s scary!

Tundra Dude

June 22nd, 2012
8:13 am

He’s no dawdler at welfare sucking.

Mitt Romney, ‘welfare queen’
Romney’s wealth is based on the private equity business model, founded on tax-payer subsidies.

(snipped)
The fact that Romney shifted focus from venture capital to private equity tells you everything you need to know about what his priorities were. “Creating jobs” was clearly not among them. Nor was creating lasting value. That’s simply not what the private equity world is all about. And that world reflects the values that have come to define the one per cent, increasingly at odds with the welfare of the US as a whole.

http://aje.me/yqSwgY