Romney dawdles and ducks on immigration
Mitt Romney spoke today to the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, where he was expected to finally take a position on President Obama’s recent decision not to deport illegal immigrants who were brought here as children and are now seeking an education or serving in the military.
The remarks were much-anticipated. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, for example, has been saying this week that he didn’t want to take a position on Obama’s move until Romney had done so, explaining that Romney “is the leader of our party from now until November.”
However, Romney’s speech did nothing to clarify his position, as you can see for yourself:
“For two years, this president had huge majorities in the House and Senate – he was free to pursue any policy he pleased. But he did nothing to advance a permanent fix for our broken immigration system. Instead, he failed to act until facing a tough re-election and trying to secure your vote.
Last week, the president finally offered a temporary measure that he seems to think will be just enough to get him through the election. After three and a half years of putting every issue from
loan guarantees for his donors to Cash For Clunkers before immigration, now the president has been seized by an overwhelming need to do what he could have done on Day One. I think you deserve better.Some people have asked if I will let stand the president’s executive action. The answer is that I will put in place my own long-term solution that will replace and supersede the president’s temporary measure.
As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution. I will prioritize measures that strengthen legal immigration and make it easier. And I will address the problem of illegal immigration in a civil but resolute manner.”
I’m sure McConnell and his fellow Republicans appreciate the clear, “resolute” roadmap drawn for them by their party’s nominee.
In the primaries, of course, Romney had no such problem with clarity.
As usual with Romney, it is also necessary to point out that the words in his speech had only the vaguest of relationships to the truth. For example, he claims that for his first three and a half years as president, Obama “did nothing to advance a permanent fix for our broken immigration system.”
In 2010, and at Obama’s insistence, Democrats in both the House and Senate pushed passage of the so-called DREAM Act. The measure passed the House 216-198, although only eight Republicans supported it. It also drew strong majority support in the Senate, 55-41, but because Republicans had invoked the filibuster rule, it fell short of the 60 votes required for passage.
Only three Republican senators dared to vote to override that filibuster. Let’s take a look at their fate, shall we?
– At the time of the vote, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska had just been re-elected as a write-in candidate after being rejected as insufficiently conservative by GOP primary voters in her state.
– Bob Bennett of Utah had also been defeated earlier that year in a GOP primary, again on grounds that he had been insufficiently conservative.
– Richard Lugar of Indiana was defeated this year in a Republican primary, again because he was considered insufficiently conservative.
In other words, there is no chance whatsoever that Republican leaders — terrified of their base — will gather the courage necessary to address this issue. But they are indulging in hypocrisy of the highest order in an attempt to disguise that reality.
For example, House Speaker John Boehner had the gall this week to complain that by taking executive action, Obama had short-circuited any chance of congressional action on the DREAM act:
“It puts everyone in a difficult position. I think we all have concerns for those who are caught in this trap, who through no fault of their own are here. But the president’s actions are going to make it much more difficult for us to work in a bipartisan way to get to a permanent solution.”
Note Boehner’s expression of deep, humane concern “for those who are caught in this trap, who through no fault of their own are here.” Note his yearning for “a bipartisan way to get to a permanent solution.” I tell you, it almost brought tears to my eyes.
Then note the GOP’s overwhelmingly rejection of the DREAM act in 2010, led by Boehner. Note Romney’s promise to veto such legislation should it ever reach his desk as president. Note what happened to Rick Perry in the GOP presidential primaries after he defended a Texas version of the DREAM act.
The truth is, there is no give on this issue among Republicans. None. The party has taken an absolutist position and has badly punished any of its own who has dared to challenge that absolute. And while this predicament may be frustrating for party leaders, it is a predicament of their own making. The animus that they helped to generate within their base as a means of building voter loyalty has now become real and heartfelt, and as a result it is now impossible for them to make the adjustments needed for the long-term health of their party and the long-term health of this country.
– Jay Bookman
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Get Real
June 21st, 2012
7:15 pm
So Jay, no comment on your pal Obama hiding behind executive privilege; what happened to his promise of transparency?? The wheels are falling off the wagon for the left and this president but you go ahead and keep writing articles critizing the republicans….you are way more transparent than Obama….
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
7:16 pm
TP…still working…cant afford to retire…admittedly I got an early start and some of the right places….really by accident…I happened to be in the same room with some pretty bright folks
I prefer the lab over board rooms and vid conf’s
Paul
June 21st, 2012
7:17 pm
Get Real
Just so I understand, your position is the Executive should cede its powers and prerogatives to the Legislative in the name of transparency? Is that it?
Brosephus™
June 21st, 2012
7:18 pm
out of those three please tell me who committed perjury…..
In case you haven’t already figured it out, I could care less over that particular case of perjury. Maybe the other two should have been put on trial about their affairs as well.
Funny that out of all the supposedly bad stuff that Clinton was accused of doing (Whitewater, Vince Foster, Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, etc…), all the GOP House could find him guilty of was lying about gettin’ some jawbone. Doesn’t seem like the GOP are the best at actually coming through with some hard-hitting investigative work, huh? And now they all say how much they liked Clinton…
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bman
I know she was of legal age, but I don’t remember her exact age. It kinda upset me about the workplace relationship aspect of the whole ordeal. However, I don’t particularly care for government infringement into the private affairs of consenting adults. I see it as a “keep government out of my bedroom!” type thing.
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They BOTH
He was a victim of Larry Flynt’s million dollar challenge. I was kinda surprised that there were not more victims uncovered.
Mike
June 21st, 2012
7:18 pm
All these partisan election games are killing us. One minute the GOP is doing all it can to emasculate our president, questioning his ability to lead, the next minute calling him a dictator, in the vein of European monsters.
In the meantime, Americans hunger for jobs, food, health care. This great country is floundering in partisanship.
And, while everyone in Congress has been pretending no viable bills, laws, need to be ready to go into the “hopper” minute the upcoming Supreme Court Decision comes down, Americans, doctors, nurses, hospital staff, patients, etc. all wait on pin and needles because lives literally depend on ACA or its immediately NEEDED replacement.
With all due respect, only one life was lost in “Fast and Furious”. Are we not going to get anything done anymore?!!!
josef
June 21st, 2012
7:19 pm
MAMA
Why call you a Moonbat…a lot of what you say makes perfectly good sense…but, then, given the position of the one who did call you that, that could qualify you as one!
ty webb
June 21st, 2012
7:20 pm
“They destroyed our country and the world.
They have no shame, humility, morals, values and honesty.
They will vote to do it again.”
and “they” also leave the toilet seat up, squeeze the toothpaste from the middle of the tube, and tear the tags off their pillows and matresses…oh, the humanity!
TaxPayer
June 21st, 2012
7:21 pm
Erwin,
R U in optics? fiber?
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
7:22 pm
Active Components
josef
June 21st, 2012
7:22 pm
ty
@ 7:20
Jack
June 21st, 2012
7:23 pm
Bookman voted for Romney.
Get Real
June 21st, 2012
7:23 pm
No Paul….they are clearly hiding something, if not then come clean. Are you telling me you have no problem with the AG refusing to provide the requested documents and then being shielded by Obama?
Come on…
Billybob
June 21st, 2012
7:24 pm
paul,
the date he knew about it and a second retraction from holder’s charge in a hearing last week that his bush administration predecessor had been briefed on the affair and holder also told congress that the definition of lying depends on one’s state of mind, sort of clintonesque in a way….. that last thing wasn’t and outright lie but lays the bridgework for his future lies don’t you think?
Brosephus™
June 21st, 2012
7:25 pm
Y’all have fun… Gotta bow out of here..
Tom Middleton
June 21st, 2012
7:25 pm
Jay, where have you been? Don’t you know you have to feed us chickens before you run out and about on errands? I mean, my poor TV has had quite enough of hearing me yell, thank you very much. So bad Jay, bad, bad…Sir!
And thanks for always pointing out where Gov. Romney lies. Would that the rest of the media did this, too!
Doggone/GA
June 21st, 2012
7:26 pm
“I know she was of legal age, but I don’t remember her exact age. It kinda upset me about the workplace relationship aspect of the whole ordeal”
I think she was twenty. And you can rest easy, she was as much pursuer as pursued. She was no deceived innocent. In fact, when a couple of R Senators tried to talk her into taking that role she sent them packing. She was proud of the affair.
TaxPayer
June 21st, 2012
7:26 pm
Erwin,
You helping give Cisco grief these days?
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
7:27 pm
lol…. i have no idea
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 21st, 2012
7:29 pm
Mama Moonbat@7:03, that actually makes a lot of sense, which is why it will never fly with certain segments of our population.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
7:29 pm
“Well, when the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, I’m willing to wager that they were not thinking about lying about a blow job when they wrote that impeachment section. ”
I think you are uncharacteristically missing the point in all of that, Brosephus. First, it is a sad commentary on things these days that Clinton was NOT being impeached for having sex on the job but only for lying about it (because that is all they could make stick). So when was the last time you had sex on the job (or in the office at night) and everyone was okay with that? Or is there some kind of double standard you are condoning here? Secondly, anyone who would lie under oath about such a thing is also someone who could be blackmailed. Thirdly, if you can’t keep a vow to your wife, ho can anyone expect you to keep a vow to our nation? But strangely you seem to want to (wink wink) pooh pooh it as if it were of little account – you know, “boys will be boys”. Explain that to the children of a family destroyed by adultery.
Billybob
June 21st, 2012
7:29 pm
mike,
that last comment is not a great one….this is a big deal and absolutely shows that holder and his boss give no respect to the constitution and the laws of our country……they have ignored numerous laws so far and if the chief law enforcement officer of our land is corrupt how can you expect the masses to respect our laws…..it’s called leadership which we really haven’t seen with obama and his minions
must go, your silence is deafening jay……as usual drive by mediaman
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
7:30 pm
“that last thing wasn’t and outright lie but lays the bridgework for his future lies don’t you think?”
Well since you seem to have all the evidence and have tried and convicted him, I guess so
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
7:30 pm
been on my own for the last 7 or so
TaxPayer
June 21st, 2012
7:32 pm
Erwin,
So you’re not into this stuff:
Alcatel-Lucent this week will reawaken its enterprise switching business with a core switch designed to go up against Cisco’s Nexus and Juniper’s high-end Ethernet box.
Research project aims to simplify large-scale network control
The company will unveil the OmniSwitch 10000, a 5Tbps system with 256 wire-speed 10G Ethernet ports. In the enterprise core, Alcatel-Lucent can now boast about being a density leader in wire-speed 10G (Arista Networks’ AN 7500 sports 384 wire-speed 10G ports but they play exclusively in the data center, Alcatel-Lucent officials rationalize).
Doggone/GA
June 21st, 2012
7:32 pm
” but only for lying about it ”
And YOU are missing the whole point: what business was if of Congress to even ask about it? Did Congress ask Kennedy about HIS affairs in the White House?
JohnnyReb
June 21st, 2012
7:32 pm
Moonbat is a term endearment.
TaxPayer
June 21st, 2012
7:33 pm
been on my own for the last 7 or so
Oops,
I misinterpreted your post to mean that you still worked for Bell Labs, Erwin.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
7:34 pm
“She was proud of the affair.”
As sadly, I guess, are a lot of women like her – including Edward’s mistress, the woman who recently came out talking about her affair with JFK. The scarlet letter has become a badge of honor.
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
7:35 pm
funny, I heard rumors……there’s a very very distant part of me in that….who knew?
Paul
June 21st, 2012
7:35 pm
Get Real
Your argument follows the line of “if you have nothing to hide, let the police search you home and your car whenever they ask. If you have nothing to hide, there’s no problem.”
The specifics of the case are irrelevant. What is being tested it the application of executive privilege and the ability of the Legislative to demand whatever it wants, for whatever reason it cites, of the Executive.
Billybob
So now we’re at ‘it wasn’t an outright lie’? Just… what… a kinda lie?
This reminds me of the WMD and other discussions, except this time the players are reversed. Then the more strident Democrats took the position “it does not matter if the person knew the information was untrue or not. Even if they believed it to be true, it was shown to be false, so they lied!!!”
Congratulations. You’re using liberal Democratic arguments from the last administration.
TaxPayer
June 21st, 2012
7:35 pm
Moonbet sounds kinda batty.
josef
June 21st, 2012
7:36 pm
MAMA
Wait a minute! Are you OUR FNM moonbat?
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
7:36 pm
TP…the traditional Bell Labs hasn’t been around for at least a decade or more
Paul
June 21st, 2012
7:37 pm
Billybob
“they have ignored numerous laws so far ”
You ever heard of citations to support an assertion?
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
7:38 pm
“And YOU are missing the whole point: what business was if of Congress to even ask about it? Did Congress ask Kennedy about HIS affairs in the White House?”
The president works for the people who elected him – for you and me and NOT for the Congress. I want and have a right to know if he is having sex on the job. I would be fired for that; why not him? The reason Congress didn’t probe too deeply into JFK’s or Clinton’s sexual affairs is because many of them are themselves guilty of the same thing. That does NOT mean it isn’t wrong.
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
7:39 pm
TP…I’m not jerkin’ ya around..well, maybe I am….some anonymity is at stake….so
josef
June 21st, 2012
7:40 pm
DOGGONE
:,, what business was if of Congress to even ask about it,,,”
Exactly.
That Black Guy
June 21st, 2012
7:42 pm
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
5:45 pm
“It only shows that this is not a partisan issue and turning it into one by both “sides” lies at the heart of why there is nothing being done and chances are nothing will be…sad…”
I agree, buddy. It is very sad.
___________________________________
The sad part would be the “people” cheering it on.
They don’t care about the country, as long as the “other side” loses.
But in the process, we all lose.
Get Real
June 21st, 2012
7:43 pm
Keep drinking the Kool Aid Paul…..bottoms up!!!
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
7:44 pm
“Exactly”
Josef, do you think Clinton was putting himself in a position to be blackmailed (or commit murder like even King David did) by having sex with Lewinski in the WH? Do you think it is okay for Clinton (or any president) to be able to do what you and I would be fired for – do you believe in a double standard? Do you think adultery is not hurtful to the spouse or children in a family?
Doggone/GA
June 21st, 2012
7:45 pm
“I want and have a right to know if he is having sex on the job”
I don’t think you meant that the way it came out, because the President is ALWAYS “on the job” and most Presidents have been married,
“reason Congress didn’t probe too deeply into JFK’s or Clinton’s sexual affairs is because many of them are themselves guilty of the same thing. That does NOT mean it isn’t wrong.”
Did I say it wasn’t wrong? Of course it was wrong…what it WASN’T was an impeachable offense. If they’d followed the precedent of past Congresses (as defined by YOU: “The reason Congress didn’t probe too deeply into JFK’s or Clinton’s sexual affairs is because many of them are themselves guilty of the same thing.”) – there would have been NOTHING to impeach Clinton for…and, as it ultimately turned out, there wasn’t anything anyway.
That Black Guy
June 21st, 2012
7:47 pm
Choosing a president the last couple cycles has been like choosing players for a pick up basketball game.
You are basically choosing the midget with the best jumper. No offense to midgets for comparing them to politicans.
Doggone/GA
June 21st, 2012
7:47 pm
“Josef, do you think Clinton was putting himself in a position to be blackmailed (or commit murder like even King David did) by having sex with Lewinski in the WH? Do you think it is okay for Clinton (or any president) to be able to do what you and I would be fired for – do you believe in a double standard? Do you think adultery is not hurtful to the spouse or children in a family?”
Any number of Presidents have been proven, or rumored, to have had affairs while President…do YOU think it is an impeachable offense? That is meets the test of HIGH crimes and misdemeanors?
That Black Guy
June 21st, 2012
7:47 pm
TBS, sup dude?
You doing good?
Paul
June 21st, 2012
7:47 pm
Get Real
Comebacks like that, rather than substantiation for your assertions, indicates you haven’t thought thru the argument and you really have nothing to add other than “it sounded good when I heard it so I thought I’d repeat it……”
Sarah Gee
June 21st, 2012
7:47 pm
The real story is Obama’s speech on his economic policy. It was full of talk of “plans” but not one word about capital. He talked about driving the economy through class growth, consistent with only one economic theory…marxism.
While not intentional, it seems that Obama’s real political philosophy has nothing to do with our country’s focus on liberty and freedom, only with the mirage of centrally planned equality through marxism.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
7:48 pm
“The sad part would be the “people” cheering it on. They don’t care about the country, as long as the “other side” loses. But in the process, we all lose.”
Agreed…politics should not be viewed as an athletic or military undertaking. Abraham Lincoln, paraphrasing Christ, said a nation divided against itself cannot stand.
Paul
June 21st, 2012
7:48 pm
Towncrier 7:44
Is this like the Christian version of Sharia law?
josef
June 21st, 2012
7:52 pm
“Josef, do you think Clinton was putting himself in a position to be blackmailed (or commit murder like even King David did) by having sex with Lewinski in the WH?”
As to the first part, yes, I do. But that was stupid, not criminal. As for King David…nyanh, not that far.
“Do you think it is okay for Clinton (or any president) to be able to do what you and I would be fired for…”
I didn’t say it was okay. It’s just that the accusers, as it turns out, were just as guilty…
“– do you believe in a double standard?”
No. I don’t. Which is why I don’t cotton much to the equally guilty being the ones holding the inquisition.
“Do you think adultery is not hurtful to the spouse or children in a family?”
Of course it is and those making political hay of it parading it into the public spotlight are just as, if not more, guilty of inflicting that hurt…
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
7:54 pm
“Any number of Presidents have been proven, or rumored, to have had affairs while President…do YOU think it is an impeachable offense? That is meets the test of HIGH crimes and misdemeanors?”
Yes. Adultery, though now “decriminalized” by inactive prosecution, is still a crime and is a potential court-martial offense in the military. Aside from that, it exposes the president to possible blackmail attempts – no laughing matter. If we believe the Bible, even someone as remarkable as King David was willing to murder to cover up his adultery. Perhaps people should stop getting their moral guidance from sitcoms like Two and a Half Men, How I Met Your Mother and the like.
Bud Wiser
June 21st, 2012
7:56 pm
So Mama Says, do all democrats like you plan to live in the district of stupid?
It sure looks like that is where you come from, anyway.
Really now, is that your ‘normal self’? Did you get booted from a mental institution, or just quit paying a therapist?
Geez…
If you can’t be real, may I suggest you STFU until you grow a brain, or just simply go away.
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
7:58 pm
TBG
Doing well. Hope things are going well for you
Like the basketball analogy.
Did you see where the WBO confirmed that “Pac” was robbed?
I love boxing, but those are some crooked dudes running those organizations. Not too many years back, they would have told everyone F you and not even reviewed it
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
7:58 pm
“Is this like the Christian version of Sharia law?”
Really? Is that all you can respond with? Jesus loves me so I can do whatever I wish? Josef at least honestly answered the questions and I will concede it is unpalatable to have hypocrites running such an investigation. But that doesn’t mean what Clinton (or JFK or LBJ or whoever else) did is NOT wrong.
Doggone/GA
June 21st, 2012
7:58 pm
“Yes”
So you would rate adultery with things like spying for a foreign country, murder, genocide…committed by the President? Sorry, but I happen to think that a blow job (not sex in the “classic” sense) is a folly, not a high crime.
Now, if he’d had BEEN being blackmailed and had given away state secrets THEN THAT would be a high crime, because it is spying for a foreign country. But a blow job? Just stupid.
Paul
June 21st, 2012
8:02 pm
Towncrier
“is still a crime and is a potential court-martial offense in the military. ”
It’s a state issue, not federal.
Which brings up the point some make about “Pres Obama is not upholding the law!!!!!!!!”
When was the last time your local DA brought charges against someone for adultery?
Anyone?
Seems we have an awful lot of officers of the court not enforcing the law, doesn’t it?
As far as the military, as you’ve cited it, I’m sure you know it is prosecuted only when it interferes with good order and discipline.
“If we believe the Bible, even someone as remarkable as King David was willing to murder to cover up his adultery. ”
Like I asked, are we laying a Christian law foundation after the manner of Sharia law?
josef
June 21st, 2012
8:02 pm
DOGGONE
“…high crimes and misdemeanors…”
No, it wasn’t. Therefore not an impeachable offense at the start…but, hey, let’s go for it…that would be one way to clean house in DC…
So, who do we nominate for Torquemada?
getalife
June 21st, 2012
8:03 pm
President Clinton never got busted with a pro in a diaper.
He never got busted in the airport mens room.
He never divorced his wife when his wife is dying of cancer.
Lets put that clenis card to rest cons.
Soothsayer
June 21st, 2012
8:04 pm
“So Mama Says, do all democrats like you plan to live in the district of stupid?
It sure looks like that is where you come from, anyway.
Really now, is that your ‘normal self’? Did you get booted from a mental institution, or just quit paying a therapist?
Geez…
If you can’t be real, may I suggest you STFU until you grow a brain, or just simply go away.”
Complete personal attack. Jay, are you there?
hope and change
June 21st, 2012
8:05 pm
how’s that hope and change working out for everyone….lol yea I’m trolling! But seriously, you call this a recovery? You must be a bunch of uneducated ingrates to think this is a recovery, man, we haven’t crashed yet, if you want to see it crash, re-elect Obama! The Fed is working to devalue our currency even more, we are staring down new taxes, and we have a President who loves to spend on just about everything except the military! Dude, this sucka (the economy) is about to burn, burn, burn. I don’t know about all of you, but I’m sick and tired of this kind of hope and change!
A dad
June 21st, 2012
8:06 pm
What would you have Romney do, blatantly pander to the illegal Latino vote like Obama just did? What would you accuse Romeny of then?
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
8:06 pm
“So you would rate adultery with things like spying for a foreign country, murder, genocide…committed by the President? Sorry, but I happen to think that a blow job (not sex in the “classic” sense) is a folly, not a high crime.”
The Constitution specifies high crimes and MISDEMEANORS. (as you yourself indicated in a previous post). Adultery is clearly the second of these – it has been and still is in many places a crime.
barking frog
June 21st, 2012
8:08 pm
TownCrier
Better than King David
ancestor of the Christ
you do have the bonafides
for judging it seems.
Soothsayer
June 21st, 2012
8:09 pm
Woman charged in Wal-Mart fracas (AJC)
An altercation between two women in a food aisle of a north Fulton County Wal-Mart left one injured and the other taken to jail, Channel 2 Action News reported.
The incident, involving two women who work for a private contractor that supplies samples to customers, happened about 2 p.m. Saturday at the Wal-Mart at 5200 Windward Parkway in Milton, police said.
“The employees got mad. One got upset with the other and went over and pushed her,” Milton police Capt. Shawn McCarty told Channel 2. “In this case, the suspect lost her temper in the crowded Wal-Mart and took it out on the person she was angry with.”
If you touch my pair of Chinese-made sneakers, I’ll kill you!
josef
June 21st, 2012
8:09 pm
TOWNCRIER
Well, using that contention of the meaning of misdemeanor, s/he could be impeached for going 85 in a 65 zone, jaywalking, spitting on the sidewalk…right?
godless heathen
June 21st, 2012
8:09 pm
“He never divorced his wife when his wife is dying of cancer.”
No but he committed perjury.
And are you still spreading that favorite libbie lie about Gingrich? Not only did Newt not serve divorce papers to his wife in the hospital, she is to this day, still alive, over 20 years later. I guess it was a slow death, time to be determined.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 21st, 2012
8:11 pm
Dude, this sucka (the economy) is about to burn, burn, burn.
OH NOES! THE END IS NIGH!
MAN THE LIFEBOATS!
EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF!
josef
June 21st, 2012
8:11 pm
SOOTH
I beat you to it…but it wasn’t sneakers…it was her cutting board! And, matter taken care of, she went right back to chopping her fruit!
getalife
June 21st, 2012
8:14 pm
godless,
I was talking about edwards.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
8:15 pm
“When was the last time your local DA brought charges against someone for adultery? Anyone?”
And your point is what? That it is okay just because, not wanting to be hypocrites or “rock the boat” or whatever, they choose not to do so? If it is truly harmful behavior, then why shouldn’t it be illegal (from even a libertarian POV)?
“Like I asked, are we laying a Christian law foundation after the manner of Sharia law?”
In case you didn’t know, adultery is proscribed in the OT as well – making it a Jewish law foundation as well if you want to proceed with down such an inane path. Libertarians define wrong in terms of harm. That suffices to make adultery a crime. Got anything else?
Paul
June 21st, 2012
8:15 pm
Towncrier
“Really? Is that all you can respond with? ”
I asked you a question. Seems to me you want to criminalize behavior based on what you consider a violation of your religious beliefs, what with all the Biblical references.
So I ask again: Christians are opposed to Muslims imposing laws in this country based on their religious beliefs. It appears you are proposing criminalizing action based on your religious beliefs.
Are you?
barking frog
June 21st, 2012
8:16 pm
get a life
what is a clenis card?
Paul
June 21st, 2012
8:18 pm
Towncrier
“Adultery is clearly the second of these – it has been and still is in many places a crime.”
Federal, applying to elected officials in the Legislative and Executive?
Citation?
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
8:19 pm
“Well, using that contention of the meaning of misdemeanor, s/he could be impeached for going 85 in a 65 zone, jaywalking, spitting on the sidewalk…right?”
You are simply pointing to the ambiguity or generality of the Constitution in places. It is a judgement call, I will concede. But you will never be blackmailed for speeding or spitting or jaywalking, nor will you destroy a family – so not quite as gray as you’d make it our to be. Perhaps the adjective “high” applies as well to misdemeanors.
getalife
June 21st, 2012
8:19 pm
willard surrenders the Latino vote.
godless heathen
June 21st, 2012
8:21 pm
getalife tells another lie to cover his first one. Sad.
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
8:22 pm
TP…no offense, gotta play D ffffffff….everything I said yesterday is true…and free beer tomorrow
getalife
June 21st, 2012
8:22 pm
frog,
Clinton’s penis is clenis.
cons are fascinated with that card.
Soothsayer
June 21st, 2012
8:22 pm
Well, let’s add it up again, OK?
Obama in the bag: 221
CO 9
FL 29
IA 6
MI 16
NV 6
NH 4
OH 18
VA 13
WI 10
Total: 332 — Needed to win: 270
The only two of these that are close are FL 29 and OH 18. And even if you take those two out the total is 285. Guess what, that’s still enough to win.
Own it! Fright-Wingers. You made your bed now you have to sleep in it!
Paul
June 21st, 2012
8:22 pm
Towncrier
“And your point is what?”
That since, as was asserted, adultery is criminal in some states, DAs are being derelict in enforcing the law.
Which gets to the mantra people use regarding Pres Obama and immigration.
“In case you didn’t know, adultery is proscribed in the OT as well”
Then are you laying the Jewish foundation for law after the manner of Sharia law?
You sure have a difficult time answering a simple question brought on by your vague assertions, you know that?
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
8:23 pm
“So I ask again: Christians are opposed to Muslims imposing laws in this country based on their religious beliefs. It appears you are proposing criminalizing action based on your religious beliefs.”
I will answer your question if you answer this one: from whence do you derive your moral standards and should they be the basis for laws in our country? Or do you think there is no link between law and morality (if so, please explain why)?
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 21st, 2012
8:23 pm
Things re sexual peccadillos changed dramatically, drastically between JFK’s time & Clinton’s. We mostly didn’t hear about JFK until years later as the press & media kept pretty quiet about it. But with Clinton, no such protection or discretion. Also, we did not hear about Ike or FDR until much later. My question is: What changed? And why?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 21st, 2012
8:24 pm
josef:
“As to the first part, yes, I do. But that was stupid, not criminal. As for King David…nyanh, not that far.”
Criminal ? No
Sinful? Yes
Unethical? Yes
Violation of Regulations? Yes
But most important ………….. any federal manager caught in the same situation ………. sex with a female subordinate, under his chain of command, on government property (and probably on government time) would and should have been fired.
The question is ………… do we expect the same or less from a president ?
getalife
June 21st, 2012
8:25 pm
godless,
Both the newt and the hair.
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 21st, 2012
8:25 pm
“Complete personal attack. Jay, are you there?”
Mommy…..help me.
godless heathen
June 21st, 2012
8:25 pm
Sooth, Grandma had a saying about counting chickens.
josef
June 21st, 2012
8:25 pm
FROG
I’m a Levite, so I can judge…
godless heathen
June 21st, 2012
8:26 pm
What getalife?? You sticking by your lie?
barking frog
June 21st, 2012
8:27 pm
Paul
http://www.epis.us/laws_on_infidelity_and_adultery.html
that cite stuff is so schoolyard.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
8:27 pm
“That since, as was asserted, adultery is criminal in some states, DAs are being derelict in enforcing the law.”
Agreed. Either enforce laws or dispense with them (get them off the books).
“Then are you laying the Jewish foundation for law after the manner of Sharia law?”
No. Simply exposing what I think is a lame attempt to devalue my points by associating it with extreme religious positions. You apparently don’t seem to realize that there are hardly any pure positions on one end of the spectrum or another (say like allowing absolutely NO abortions or allowing any and ALL abortions) – that in almost all cases it comes down to drawing lines.
JKL2
June 21st, 2012
8:28 pm
getalife- This is how obama govern’s. A disaster waiting to happen.
Vote obama: It’s still Bush’s fault!
Sarah Gee
June 21st, 2012
8:28 pm
Has Jay been off with the other progressive mouthpieces getting his talking points from the DNC on the overthrow of Obamacare. They must be really focused on using the SCOTUS to divide us even more.
Do you think we will here the dictated column early next week or will he wait till later to spout his talking points.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 21st, 2012
8:28 pm
This is the best comeback line I have seen in a long time ! Go Ann !
“A Michigan legislator, Lisa Brown, gave a speech in the statehouse last week that would have made her right at home in a women’s studies course at a local community college, but a wacko in a group of actual legislators. She commented on a pending abortion bill by first announcing that she was Jewish, kept kosher, described her various sets of plates, and then saying that Jewish law makes abortion mandatory to save the life of the mother.
This had absolutely nothing to do with the bill being considered, but it may explain why there are no Jewish Tim Tebows.
Then she said: “I have not asked you to adopt and adhere to my religious beliefs. Why are you asking me to adopt yours?”
Her smashing crescendo was: “And finally Mr. Speaker, I’m flattered that you’re all so interested in my vagina, but ‘no’ means ‘no’!”
HERE IT IS FROM ANN:
“Do what you want with your vagina. Pro-lifers just want to stop babies from being killed. It would be as though a slaveholder complained that Republicans wanted to regulate his anus by abolishing slavery and taking away his right to crap on his slaves.”
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-06-20.html#read_more
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
8:29 pm
“But most important ………….. any federal manager caught in the same situation ………. sex with a female subordinate, under his chain of command, on government property (and probably on government time) would and should have been fired. The question is ………… do we expect the same or less from a president ?
Liberals seem to be quite at home with double standards, it would seem.
Orange 12
June 21st, 2012
8:29 pm
Romney as yet has not offered any viable solutions to this problem and he needs to start putting something togather now. Problem is, how do you reward bad behavior?
How do you please your base without destroying the chance of aquiring voters bent on legalizing every illegal alien in CONUS? Illegal immigration is a multifaceted problem: First, you have the illegal parents of children born in CONUS which automatically makes them a U.S., citizen according to some law which i feel has been grossly misinterpreted, what do you do with the parents? Second, children who were brought here by their illegal parents. Third, illegals here only to make a better life for themselves (throw the BS flag on that one, make a better life for themselves in their native country). On top of that, if you don’t legalize everyone of them some group is going to call you the old Lib tried and true attack word – Racist. Maybe that is why he is waiting so long to put forth a plan as it takes a little longer to formulate a lasting plan that works for the majority instead of a two year election year trick that that has no lasting effect and will be revisited every two years like Obama is trying to do. One thing is for sure. Whatever plan he comes up with will piss off some small group with big mouths.
barking frog
June 21st, 2012
8:31 pm
josef
good. go for it.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
8:32 pm
“My question is: What changed? And why?”
The civil rights and anti-war movement of the 60’s brought much out in the open. It has been different ever since. Now, hardly anyone knows how to exercise discretion.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 21st, 2012
8:32 pm
Not only did Newt not serve divorce papers to his wife in the hospital, she is to this day, still alive, over 20 years later.
Yep, she is.
But he did come to the hospital while she was undergoing treatment to argue over the specifics of the divorce. And even according to the children, they got into a heated argument.
This is not behavior that is conducive to healing.
Just sayin’.
Soothsayer
June 21st, 2012
8:34 pm
“Sooth, Grandma had a saying about counting chickens.”
We’ll see, we’ll see.
Mama Says
June 21st, 2012
8:35 pm
Bud,
Can you please tell me what the stupid part is ?
I don’t take your assault to be mean I take it as a cry for my therapist. He really can help you. He can teach you to redirect your hate and rage and put more into fixing the problem.
By the way, if you follow this blog you would know that nobody on it thinks I am liberal. You can ask josef, Brocefus (whatever), both sides or any other person on here.
Matter of fact I usually fight with all of them and I do so from a conservative position but I will tell you this, you are not a conservative, you are a virus. My conservative party understands that freedom demands many views. Democrats are part of this country as are republicans, gay-straight, black and white.
As a conservative I have strong views on church and state, abortion and childcare but so do liberals. I respect their right to say and believe what they wish but I also hope that they would never impose upon me as in reality I know that my imposing on them is anything but American.
I have had good liberal men and women watching my back and I trust them with my life.
However I could never trust you or yours with my country.
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
8:36 pm
“Whatever plan he comes up with will piss off some small group with big mouths.”
Look in the mirror much