Romney dawdles and ducks on immigration
Mitt Romney spoke today to the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, where he was expected to finally take a position on President Obama’s recent decision not to deport illegal immigrants who were brought here as children and are now seeking an education or serving in the military.
The remarks were much-anticipated. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, for example, has been saying this week that he didn’t want to take a position on Obama’s move until Romney had done so, explaining that Romney “is the leader of our party from now until November.”
However, Romney’s speech did nothing to clarify his position, as you can see for yourself:
“For two years, this president had huge majorities in the House and Senate – he was free to pursue any policy he pleased. But he did nothing to advance a permanent fix for our broken immigration system. Instead, he failed to act until facing a tough re-election and trying to secure your vote.
Last week, the president finally offered a temporary measure that he seems to think will be just enough to get him through the election. After three and a half years of putting every issue from
loan guarantees for his donors to Cash For Clunkers before immigration, now the president has been seized by an overwhelming need to do what he could have done on Day One. I think you deserve better.Some people have asked if I will let stand the president’s executive action. The answer is that I will put in place my own long-term solution that will replace and supersede the president’s temporary measure.
As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution. I will prioritize measures that strengthen legal immigration and make it easier. And I will address the problem of illegal immigration in a civil but resolute manner.”
I’m sure McConnell and his fellow Republicans appreciate the clear, “resolute” roadmap drawn for them by their party’s nominee.
In the primaries, of course, Romney had no such problem with clarity.
As usual with Romney, it is also necessary to point out that the words in his speech had only the vaguest of relationships to the truth. For example, he claims that for his first three and a half years as president, Obama “did nothing to advance a permanent fix for our broken immigration system.”
In 2010, and at Obama’s insistence, Democrats in both the House and Senate pushed passage of the so-called DREAM Act. The measure passed the House 216-198, although only eight Republicans supported it. It also drew strong majority support in the Senate, 55-41, but because Republicans had invoked the filibuster rule, it fell short of the 60 votes required for passage.
Only three Republican senators dared to vote to override that filibuster. Let’s take a look at their fate, shall we?
– At the time of the vote, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska had just been re-elected as a write-in candidate after being rejected as insufficiently conservative by GOP primary voters in her state.
– Bob Bennett of Utah had also been defeated earlier that year in a GOP primary, again on grounds that he had been insufficiently conservative.
– Richard Lugar of Indiana was defeated this year in a Republican primary, again because he was considered insufficiently conservative.
In other words, there is no chance whatsoever that Republican leaders — terrified of their base — will gather the courage necessary to address this issue. But they are indulging in hypocrisy of the highest order in an attempt to disguise that reality.
For example, House Speaker John Boehner had the gall this week to complain that by taking executive action, Obama had short-circuited any chance of congressional action on the DREAM act:
“It puts everyone in a difficult position. I think we all have concerns for those who are caught in this trap, who through no fault of their own are here. But the president’s actions are going to make it much more difficult for us to work in a bipartisan way to get to a permanent solution.”
Note Boehner’s expression of deep, humane concern “for those who are caught in this trap, who through no fault of their own are here.” Note his yearning for “a bipartisan way to get to a permanent solution.” I tell you, it almost brought tears to my eyes.
Then note the GOP’s overwhelmingly rejection of the DREAM act in 2010, led by Boehner. Note Romney’s promise to veto such legislation should it ever reach his desk as president. Note what happened to Rick Perry in the GOP presidential primaries after he defended a Texas version of the DREAM act.
The truth is, there is no give on this issue among Republicans. None. The party has taken an absolutist position and has badly punished any of its own who has dared to challenge that absolute. And while this predicament may be frustrating for party leaders, it is a predicament of their own making. The animus that they helped to generate within their base as a means of building voter loyalty has now become real and heartfelt, and as a result it is now impossible for them to make the adjustments needed for the long-term health of their party and the long-term health of this country.
– Jay Bookman
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barking frog
June 21st, 2012
5:36 pm
RC
Certainly would excite the
Republican base.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
5:36 pm
“Only if Mr. Mormon Underpants (sorry, josef) becomes a Southren Baptist and will pick up a rattlesnake to prove it.”
Baptists don’t handle snakes (Pentacostals do), so your sarcasm fails (not a Baptist or Pentacostal btw).
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
5:36 pm
kayaker
Have you heard about the X-37B?
http://news.yahoo.com/secret-air-force-x-37b-space-plane-lands-190100566.html
getalife
June 21st, 2012
5:37 pm
“will pick up a rattlesnake to prove it”
Baptist hazing.
Moderate Line
June 21st, 2012
5:39 pm
http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-economic-sleight-of-hand/
Aquagirl
June 21st, 2012
5:39 pm
Veger…. a probe that was sent to gather knowledge and report back to it’s makers. Sort of makes you feel pretty insignificant.
I felt insignificant when I realized Persis Khambatta was way hotter than I would ever be, and that was without a single hair on her head. Geez.
josef
June 21st, 2012
5:40 pm
Du-k-sha-nee Ga-lo-nu-he-dv
Why the hell would I pick up a rattlesnake to prove I was a Baptist? That would prove I wasn’t. You dumb a33, like I said, if you’re going to do that shtick, at least get it right…now:
Ta-yi, a-tsu-tsa u-s-di! Ni-hi a-ya u-de-ya-to-di !!
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
5:40 pm
“I would add “might like to live with US born spouse or close relative” but you seem to be evaluating economic units, not people.”
I wish we would could evaluate immigrants as people but since (largely through Democratic efforts) financial support is legally required in many cases, I see no other option. We cannot afford what we cannot afford. In the 19th century, this was not a problem. People supported themselves however they could.
barking frog
June 21st, 2012
5:42 pm
Aqua Girl
but no Trident…
josef
June 21st, 2012
5:43 pm
CRIER
Back to the real topic/thread…I find it interesting that you and I, usually miles apart on just about everything and known to cross swords, should be seeing and proposing much the same thing in immigration reform. It only shows that this is not a partisan issue and turning it into one by both “sides” lies at the heart of why there is nothing being done and chances are nothing will be…sad…
ragnar danneskjold
June 21st, 2012
5:44 pm
Only whiny leftists think Romney should take a position on Obama’s positions. Why should Romney waste his time talking about the policies of a lame duck? He should be telling us what he will be doing as president.
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
5:45 pm
rags
Please be on the blog on election night
thanks
TaxPayer
June 21st, 2012
5:45 pm
Would you look at that. Gas has dropped below $3.00/gallon in South Carolina. Ask and ye shall receive, cons.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
5:45 pm
“It only shows that this is not a partisan issue and turning it into one by both “sides” lies at the heart of why there is nothing being done and chances are nothing will be…sad…”
I agree, buddy. It is very sad.
bman
June 21st, 2012
5:48 pm
Would you look at that. Gas has dropped below $3.00/gallon in South Carolina. Ask and ye shall receive, cons
I admit that I am happy about this !
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
5:48 pm
josef & TC
I’m right with you. Neither side wants to allow the other to get any credit, so they both talk and talk as nothing of substance takes place
TaxPayer
June 21st, 2012
5:51 pm
Why should Romney waste his time talking about the policies of a lame duck?
That’s a good question. Why doesn’t Romney elaborate on what he would do as president. For example, does he have a brain trust like Phil Gramm in mind to handle the economy and free up his time to chase a terrorist all the way to the gates of hell.
Aquagirl
June 21st, 2012
5:53 pm
I wish we would could evaluate immigrants as people
I’m really not sure how to respond to that. Except that seeing them as economic units is why we’ve ended up with millions of illegals living here already.
People aren’t that complicated. If their children are hungry or in danger, they’ll try to resolve the situation. That’s pretty universal behavior, the people who didn’t removed themselves from the gene pool.
We can rant and bluster endlessly, but when some guy wakes up and sees headless bodies hanging from the overpass near his house, he’s going to take action. Wave an immigration law at him and he’ll ignore you, while privately thinking you can insert that law up your yanqui bum. Are you gonna deport him? Oooooh, that’s soooo scary to him….NOT.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
5:53 pm
“Neither side wants to allow the other to get any credit, so they both talk and talk as nothing of substance takes place”
Wasn’t it Adams that said a two party system would be the demise of our country, TBS? And you see why. Politicians are interested in power and position rather than in the well being of our country. The fear of losing these things, like the fear of communism that got us into Vietnam, is irrational and destructive.
TaxPayer
June 21st, 2012
5:54 pm
What is Mitt’s position on polygamy?
Adam
June 21st, 2012
5:55 pm
ha! Conservatives, stuck with Romney, have to deal now with a guy who WON’T TAKE AN ISSUE on this. Conservatives have to decide if he will do what they want, or if all that was just talk to get the nomination.
Send in Ron Paul. It would be almost as good as having Santorum as the nominee. He’d get TROUNCED, BADLY, and at least it would demoralize libertarians. A Romney nomination and Presidential loss is kind of an “oh well” for most of the fringe because it’s not who they want anyway, and they get to continue to run off of hate for 4 more years.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 21st, 2012
5:56 pm
What is Mitt’s position on polygamy?
Perhaps he uses the Kama Sutra as reference material.
josef
June 21st, 2012
5:57 pm
TAXI
“What is Mitt’s position on polygamy?”
Opposed in both the religious and secular.
pogo
June 21st, 2012
5:57 pm
As for the foreign skilled and educated immigrants, I say grant them immediate amnesty and possibly citizenship. American industry is in great need of these workers as they can ‘t find enough of them from domestic resources thanks to our piece of crap education system and thanks to our society which has produced an entire generation of greedy and self-absorbed children who just don ‘t want to have to put up the effort it takes to succeed. American children for the most part have been taught that they deserve everything with little or no effort from themselves. Our education system and America’s parents have failed them. So, if industry can ‘t get them domestically, they should be able to get them elsewhere. The industry I work in has aggressively started recruiting overseas (or south). And for the most part, our workers we have procured this way have been exceptional. And to think, they were educated in countries that spent a fraction of the cost we have spent on our spoiled losers.
barking frog
June 21st, 2012
5:57 pm
Taxpayer
probably on the bottom.
too taxing on top.
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
5:59 pm
TC @ 5:53
Again we agree. Whether it is the Libertarians, Greens or whomever I wish we had more viable choices that could compete with the two behemoths and actually be on the stage during a debate. Sad as it is, the Ds and Rs would rather tell you and I that they are our choices and continue to make it difficult for viable 3rd parties.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
5:59 pm
“We can rant and bluster endlessly, but when some guy wakes up and sees headless bodies hanging from the overpass near his house, he’s going to take action. Wave an immigration law at him and he’ll ignore you, while privately thinking you can insert that law up your yanqui bum. Are you gonna deport him? Oooooh, that’s soooo scary to him….NOT.”
Well, AQ, I am trying to be pragmatic rather than unwisely compassionate. I feel for their plight, just as I do for the plight of millions and millions of others on our planet. To allow Mexicans to come here freely without thought as to whether or not we can afford that or extend the same offer to everyone else in the world is kind of dreamy thinking in my book. Do you take in all the homeless you see into your home? If not, why not?
barking frog
June 21st, 2012
6:01 pm
All our elections should be
non partisan.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
6:03 pm
“Whether it is the Libertarians, Greens or whomever I wish we had more viable choices that could compete with the two behemoths and actually be on the stage during a debate. Sad as it is, the Ds and Rs would rather tell you and I that they are our choices and continue to make it difficult for viable 3rd parties.”
Perhaps the best place to do this would be initially at the state level. If a third party were successful there in a few states, it might gain traction. It would probably succeed best by taking the best ideas from both parties and offering a clear, well thought out plan for actually implementing them.
bman
June 21st, 2012
6:04 pm
Illegal workers do much more had
To unions than republicans could ever do
josef
June 21st, 2012
6:05 pm
We’ll have no viable multiparty system until we effect a campaign finance reform which is why the two parties we have now are so insistent on not doing it. It would dilute the payola.
bman
June 21st, 2012
6:05 pm
Had–harm –thanks iPhone !!
Aquagirl
June 21st, 2012
6:07 pm
I am trying to be pragmatic rather than unwisely compassionate.
I didn’t say that I agreed, I’m simply pointing out that is how people will act. For example—If I get a speeding ticket on 285, that’s the way the cookie crumbles. I don’t feel sorry for myself or anyone else who gets one. What is relevant to this discussion is pointing out the arbitrary 55 MPH doesn’t really affect most people’s behavior.
If you make a law contrary to basic human nature or common sense, be prepared for sporadic and ineffective enforcement. And waving that law around is an exercise in intellectual masturbation.
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
6:08 pm
Didn’t Jay write some drivile last week about home ownership?? LOL.. Obama is failing at that!!
http://blogs.smartmoney.com/advice/2012/06/21/5-housing-markets-where-renting-beats-owning/
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
6:08 pm
“We’ll have no viable multiparty system until we effect a campaign finance reform which is why the two parties we have now are so insistent on not doing it.”
It would not be easy, but where there is a will, there is a way. If 3 or 4 states successfully elected a 3rd party candidate, momentum would be established I should think.
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
6:08 pm
josef
Exactly. That’s why I have called out Obama numerous times for taking Super Pac money. As the IMAM correctly states he can not compete without it, however no one made him go after the Republicans for doing it.
While I think Obama to be a more viable option than Romney, he is nothing more than a politician’s politician. Not as bad as some say, but surely not has great as others would declare
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
6:11 pm
Joseph
If you are not prepared to offer criticism about Bush in regards to the housing market. (Psst: Bubble started bursting in 06) than why cry like a baby about Obama.
In the end it was a bubble and turned into a “disaster”. Not sure what Obama or Bush could have done.
But since you are playing politics on that issue, figured you would want to cry about Bush as well.
just sayn
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 21st, 2012
6:13 pm
What’s “drivile” and is it on the buffet at Golden Corral?
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
6:14 pm
Kam
Years ago Ryan’s had it but you had to ask them for it. Not sure about Golden Corral
Mama Says
June 21st, 2012
6:15 pm
Ok we all say we need moderates and compromise. Let’s start here.
I will never say the libs are hypocrites if libs will stop saying republicans are.
Since every politician in the last two decades has said one thing and done the exact opposite once elected accusing any of them of being hypocrites is like shooting a gun that has blanks in it.
I know you libs are not real happy with Obama, my God he has kept most of Bush’s policies in place.
And
I know that Bush pissed off a lot of conservatives with his deficit spending.
Romney is doing the same thing Obama is doing. Neither have a solid solution to a very difficult immigration issue, and neither is going to say that. So they are playing around the edges.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
6:16 pm
“If you make a law contrary to basic human nature or common sense, be prepared for sporadic and ineffective enforcement.”
People are by nature self-interested, AQ. That is why they commit adultery (to the great harm of their family), steal, lie, murder and all the rest. Laws, however bad they may seem, are rarely arbitrary. There is a rationale for them somewhere. It seems like you think the individual has the right to ignore laws when they are inconvenient, burdensome, oppressive or simply disagreeable. That is a path to anarchy. Just where do you draw the line? Laws should not be oppressive or burdensome but the way to address that problem is to make the people who enact them accountable (and not immune to prosecution or impeachment or the like).
josef
June 21st, 2012
6:16 pm
I’m not opposed to the idea of regional parties. The problems and issues of California and New York are too often distinct and unique to those of the Industrial Midwest or the Coastal South…coalitions are possible on problems and issues of universal/national concern.
Bud Wiser
June 21st, 2012
6:19 pm
All Obama is trying to do is buy latino votes. Period. The only transparency this clown promised when he came into office is turning out to be the transparency of his pathetic vote grab, for starters.
Not gonna continue to play “the good ol’ boys game” eh Barry? Hiding your Attorney General behind your skirts sounds like cronyism to me.
Eric Holder is contempt of Congress, that has already been proven by the now infamous Feb 4 letter that was subsequently withdrawn by his office for its ‘inaccuracies’.
Holder is also in contempt of (in no specific order):
1. His job as chief law enforcement officer;
2. The law;
3. The rule of law;
4. The American people, by reasoning of his selective law enforcement (see New Black Panther Party, election 2008, an ACORN, 2008)
5. The Border Patrol, specifically the late Brian Terry and his family, by hiding behind his boss’ skirt and lying and withholding documents;
6. Here’s the really funny one – the lamestream media – spouting his garbage and lies and knowing that fools like you Bookman, will still staunchly defend him to the end, because it is not whats right in the media any more, its what YOU say is right. There is a difference.
I could list counless more, but why bother? You droling sychophants will suck up to your lying leaders no matter the depth of their depravity and insanity.
Thats okay, you all come from the same rubber room.
Romney – Rubio 2012, coming in November to a voting booth near you.
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
6:26 pm
Bud Wiser
Rubio would probably shore up FL, but tell me how he will play out in NM, NV, AZ & CO. All states in play for both candidates at this time.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
6:28 pm
I am out guys…good night.
Billybob
June 21st, 2012
6:32 pm
hey jay,
can you clarify obama’s position on ‘fundamentally changing’ the US?
I guess your post earlier was a little off, Pelosi thinks the contempt vote is a nationwide plot to disenfranchise voters by removing eric holder who would be the one to save voters from being disenfranchised by the republican party…..you may need to call media matters so you leftists can get your stories straight…..exposing the left and the lies is so easy….good day libs
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
6:35 pm
Jay – “The truth is, there is no give on this issue among Republicans. None. ”
Newt had a similar position in opposition to “your” Republican party…I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Newt’s stance on immigration that kept him from winning the nomination either
F. Sinkwich
June 21st, 2012
6:35 pm
Yep, Jay, Mr. and Mrs. Middle-America are gonna decide their vote on the Dream Act. Yeah, right.
The Mittster wants to fix O’bozo’s crappy economy, and knows how to do it. Lib ilks are terrified that people will come to realize that the hope & change cowboy they voted for in 2008 is nothing more than Howdy Doody.
Too late, Jay. Your deflections are meaningless at this point in time.
Next Jay blog: that meanie Issa’s search for the truth about how a federal law enforcement officer was murdered is just a political attack on the greatest president the US has ever known. Plus he’s a racist anyway.
Mark it down.
Bud Wiser
June 21st, 2012
6:36 pm
Rubio is smart, he is young, he has all of the charismatic features the messiah supposedly had. Plus, he has a record of honesty and straight-forward talk, not the filp-flop of an Obama or Biden, as proven by their miserable track records.
His appeal will be very broad based; he will destroy Biden in the vice-presidential debate.
Frankly, all Marco rubio has to do is show up. Biden will do his usual psycho-babble-ramble, probably forgetting his target audiences much like he did last week at the nation mayoral conference. Biden is a sick joke, an insurance policy Obama took out to protect himself…. ask yourself this, what kind of pathetic moron loser would Biden be as a president should he have to assume office?
Obama/Biden are trying to change the subject every day to keep the focus off their record; their record is the damning evidence of their failure to lead. Obama would cut the snards off of Holder and serve them fried Southern Style to the media if he ever thought it would give him a political advantage …hell, he may do that yet, just stalling for now before what the polls tell him to do.
Romney – Rubio 2012, coming in November to a voting booth near you.
Billybob
June 21st, 2012
6:36 pm
democrats thought it was no big deal when clinton perjured himself, so what’s the big deal about the attorney general who answers to the president perjuring himself? if we don’t like the laws we just claim some type of ‘ism’ and then we just don’t enforce them…..how long before this contepmt vote is racist jay? waiting………
Aquagirl
June 21st, 2012
6:37 pm
It seems like you think the individual has the right to ignore laws when they are inconvenient, burdensome, oppressive or simply disagreeable.
No, but most laws are dependent on the majority of people voluntarily complying, or at least complying because the risks far outweigh the small gains. Most of us don’t steal or murder because it violates our internal standards, not because it’s against the law. (Although I’m not sure about theists who wonder why atheists aren’t out raping and murdering if we don’t believe in a skydaddy to punish us. Makes me wonder what’s going on in their heads.) We can attempt to lock up those who don’t have those internal controls because it’s a fairly small number of the population.
Thomas
June 21st, 2012
6:39 pm
Indiana Treasurer and GOP Senate candidate Richard Mourdock applauds the Supreme Court’s decision invalidating the Affordable Care Act in a new video uploaded to his YouTube account.
The catch, obviously, is that the Court hasn’t ruled on Obamacare just yet, and won’t do so until next week. Mourdock’s video, titled “ObamaCare3,” is apparently a pretaped message in the event that the health care law goes down, but it hit the web early.
And folks like this are our leaders-
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
6:39 pm
“change cowboy they voted for in 2008 is nothing more than Howdy Doody.”
Now that is funny………….
Brosephus™
June 21st, 2012
6:40 pm
Wasn’t gonna touch this topic, but I had to address a few things….
———————
Talking Head @ 3:40
Why would Latino’s automatically vote Democrat because Republican are against backdoor amnesty and trying to enforce illegal immigration measures?
If Republicans are indeed against backdoor amnesty, I’m sure they’ve already written and submitted legislation to amend the immigration policy of allowing the spouses of US citizens to pay a fine, get a waiver of inadmissibility, and then adjust their status to legal permanent resident after being here without status for extended periods of time. They have submitted that legislation, right? Back door amnesty is built into the system, and both parties are complicit in its functionality.
——————
Towncrier @ 5:06
To impliment that change, there would have to be a complete restructuring of the immigration policy. There are three basic ways to get an immigrant visa to the US. You either have a family member petition, an employer, or get a diversity lottery visa.
With the family petition, the order of processing is US citizen petitions first and then resident petitions afterwards. The business petitions involve some of the same requirements of the E-class investor non-immigrant visa. Then, the last option is the diversity visa. Also known as lottery visas, those are allocated based on the number of immigrants from different countries. The countries that are underrepresented in immigration visas get allocated more slots with the diversity visa. There are 55,000 of those granted each year.
Billybob
June 21st, 2012
6:42 pm
hey jay,
obama’s first ever press conference where he didn’t know the questions in advance showed his fundamental lack of economic knowledge and the rest of the world saw it as well. His lawyer talk didn’t answer one of the questions asked and the smartest president ever and the best orator ever vanished with that 45 minute mess…..
now his dreams of my father book has been shown to be full of halftruths and outright lies……
your liberal media can’t hide the incompetence of this guy anymore……he hasn’t a clue
Any thoughts on the number of dems staying away from convention and jumping the obama ship? it’s started right on cue…..
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
6:43 pm
TaxPayer – “What is Mitt’s position on polygamy?”
dunno…what’s yours? and on gay marriage as well…just curious
josef
June 21st, 2012
6:45 pm
look, folks, there are bigger issues out there….
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/walmart-taste-testers-get-fight-over-cutting-board/nPb3L/
bman
June 21st, 2012
6:46 pm
Someone told recently told me that Asians are entering the country more than Hispanics. Legally or illegally, I don’t know. Is this true?
I know that over the past few years I have noticed more & more Asian ladies wherever I go. And I have to say : I like it! A LOT !!
Billybob
June 21st, 2012
6:46 pm
‘Romney dawdles and ducks on immigration’
how about this jay…….
‘Obama completely ignore immigration even with super majorities and then tries to buy their votes with promise of employment and jumping in the front of the line ahead of immigrants who are trying to respect our laws and come here the right way’
EASY
Brosephus™
June 21st, 2012
6:48 pm
democrats thought it was no big deal when clinton perjured himself
Well, when the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, I’m willing to wager that they were not thinking about lying about a blow job when they wrote that impeachment section. Find any married man who will own up to getting a blow job from someone other than their wife, and I’ll show you a sucker who’s about to lose half of what they own. However, I’m sure that you would have admitted to getting a blow job with no problem, right?
LUCIFER
June 21st, 2012
6:48 pm
Willard has shown he will do anything, say anything, stoop to the lowest levels, in order to run our country. I distrust him as much as I do dishonest mechanics, weasel attorneys, used car salesmen and almost as much as Donald Trump. He is a snake oil medicine man who is slimy, creepy, greasy, scummy, immoral, a liar, cheat, fraud, brainless and spineless. That said, no wonder he speaks for the Republican Party. He’s a perfect role model! To them, those are all great virtues! Honestly, Mittens would drive across the country with his own mother strapped to the car roof if it would win him this election. He is absolutely despicable.
Billybob
June 21st, 2012
6:51 pm
Bro,
As a conservative I would never have put myself in that position in the first place…..and perjury is perjury, see what i mean people, this lib ignores it….and clinton went on tv and told the nation he never did it as well…..that was fun
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
6:52 pm
“define “is”"
one of my favorite quotes of all time
Billybob
June 21st, 2012
6:53 pm
settle down jon lovitz
F. Sinkwich
June 21st, 2012
6:53 pm
“Mittens would drive across the country with his own mother strapped to the car roof if it would win him this election. He is absolutely despicable.”
Looks like the Mittster can’t count on Lucifer’s vote.
Bummer.
josef
June 21st, 2012
6:53 pm
bman
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jRuEGkxfu9YD4Cr5tVgYCa0TMZog?docId=CNG.20595728824d222e8e061b7f2641d4e8.71
bman
June 21st, 2012
6:54 pm
Bro…its a little bit different when you’re President. The part that sort of bothered me was the finger – pointing “i never once” speech by Clinton. He really should have went on vacation or something lol
I would argue that when most men are caught & they know they are caught, they admit it.
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 21st, 2012
6:55 pm
Gee, Lucifer, tell us how you really feel.
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
6:55 pm
I don’t get the outrage over the dog in a carrier on the roof thing?…how is that different than a pick up truck bed?
pogo
June 21st, 2012
6:56 pm
The average lifespan of a private sector CEO nowadays is about 4 or 5 years. That should hold true for THIS CEO of our nation as well. He truly is the “foodstamp president” whose only contribution to our society is the increased funding of entitlements that we cannot afford. The Democratically controlled Senate under Harry Reid has now decided they want no military base closings even thought Panetta recommended them. So much for Defense spending cuts thanks to our friends in the Reid controlled Senate and his Democrats. Obama is an “Amateur” if ever there was one who had no ideas from the very start and who now conveys nothing to this country but gloom and doom. He doesn’t even try to uplift up the people of this nation anymore. He just blames someone else for his failure and he tries to make that as a case for his re-election. And then he goes and plays golf while the rest of us try to make a living. Jay you and your liberal brethren must be proud.
Brosephus™
June 21st, 2012
6:56 pm
As a conservative I would never have put myself in that position in the first place
If your instincts and desires are controlled by your political beliefs, you’re probably not gonna have a chance to put yourself in that position. Contrary to you trying to label me, I am not a “lib”, nor did I say I ignored it. My point is that we were subjected to articles of impeachment over a blow job. Funny how these things happen under a GOP controlled House.
Lie about yellowcak… nothing. Lie about a blow job… impeachment. My political beliefs have nothing to do with the fact that I don’t think getting jawbone in the WH rises to the need to impeach someone. Maybe the GOP House was upset because they were not gettin’ some… THen again, Livingstone and Newt were bangin’ headboards on the regular with someone other than their wives…
bman
June 21st, 2012
6:57 pm
Jacob wow! Thanks!
Paul
June 21st, 2012
6:57 pm
First same-sex marriage support, now immigration. Intended or not, the President does give the appearance of acting to shore up support for key constituencies rather late in the day.
But it’s still a valid point with Romney, also. Will he have the courage to go against his Party’s extremists? So far it does not look promising. One can Hope for Change, but his record so far does not give much encouragement.
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And right on cue, here’s Scout with his literal, devoid of context, no consideration to what was said before or after, parrot mantra:
“If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”
So, verse quoter and establisher of the One True Interpretation, which is ‘it says what it says, deal with it”: Is G-d’s right hand still sore from Jesus standing on it? Is Jesus still standing on it? (For those of you who haven’t been following, Scout’s one-liners are true as standalone comments, so when Acts records that Stephen looked into heaven and saw Jesus standing on the right hand of G-d, I would like to know from the guy with all the Bible answers if G-d’s hand is still sore?).
Makes about as much sense to me as his “the President said it so deal with it.”
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Dekalb Comments (and you too, Redneck Convert)
(Romney’s underpants aren’t magic. See, he knows about this thing called a ‘washing machine.’ He also has this stuff that might surprise you. It’s called ‘soap.’ You put the underpants in the machine, add soap and water, and …. Magic! Underpants become white! Not the multicolored underpants you think are normal. You might want to ask around. People may share more magic with you. If you follow their advice, they might even want to stand closer to you!!!).
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Ben Shockley
“It’s not Republicans asking government to provide equal outcomes for all, regardless of talent, skill, and effort. That would be Democrats.”
Time to invoke Kamchak’s Observation: “If we’re just gonna make sh*t up, no sense in being half-assed about it.”
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
6:58 pm
josef @ 6:53…been a trend in the tech sector for quite some time….although I have also seen that visa used as a pretty heavy hammer as well
Brosephus™
June 21st, 2012
6:59 pm
bman
If I were Clinton, I would have told my business as well as everyone else on Capitol Hill. No stone would have been left unturned. If you wanna embarrass me about my private dealings, I’ll expose yours. Honestly, I didn’t give a rat’s ass if he got jawbone on the side, and I don’t know of anybody personally who would have admitted to it either. I would have told Congress it was none of their business.
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
7:01 pm
Bro
Not sure about Livingstone, but you know that Newt’s “love for this country drove him to do somethings that he shouldn’t have”…… At least that’s what he attempted to tell us
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
7:02 pm
Bro – “I don’t know of anybody personally who would have admitted to it either.”
I would have screamed it from the highest mountain….but then again, I’ve never been married…not sure why?
Mama Says
June 21st, 2012
7:03 pm
Now back to my normal self,
In a world where Mama Says was king. The immigration issue would be solved like this;
Eliminate all borders in the Americas, call each country a district, ( District of the United States of America, DIstrict of Brasilia etc……) the nation would be called America.
It would be a representative republic in which a simple majority rules in congress. No filibusters, no 60 votes needed.
All residents would be taxed at a marginal rate. Corporate tax would be 15%. Countries such as Nicaragra would be TADS, in which businesses would be taxed at 7% if they moved there and hired locals.
Abortion would be illegal expect in the event of rape, incest or mothers life
Marriage would be a civil union and any couple could seek the blessing of their God through their church if they wish but both groups would still pay taxes at the same rate and anyone can designate anyone else to be their legal rep in case of terminal illness or injury.
Gay adoption would be legal and encouraged since kids cannot be allowed to live in poverty and loveless ness. (everyone can help) A hungry child doesn’t care if the food came from a homosexual or heterosexual.
Military service would be mandatory but a sector of the military would be for disaster assistance, inter city clean up and general infrastructure improvement and maintenance.
It would be illegal for the state to spend more than it takes in and taxes could not be raised without a general vote ( like a SPLOST)
Congressional terms would be limited and the term limit on the president would be eliminated ( why can’t the people have the same president for 16 years if they like him)
Party affiliation would be eliminated as we now know it. We would have debates on ideas in which a democrat could be against abortion and a republican be for it, except we would only identify the person by name–vote for them if you like them–forget the party stuff.
Things like pro union or right to work state and healthcare would be decided by the people of that district, not the politicians. Politicians can put it on the ballot for us to decide what we want instead of taking money from the unions or businesses and insurance companies and then voting the way they are paid.
There would be NO gifts to any government official. NO conferences in Hawaii so GE can tell all the politicians to have a steak dinner because the entire trip is paid for by GE in order to get votes for a new GE business venture, paid for by the taxpayer.
No government payouts promoting any projects. Tax breaks are approved only after the product is produced and is proven efficient. Only then can Solyndra have taxpayer money, via lower rates not payouts.
no troops would be sent anywhere unless congress said yes, PERIOD !
And
God would not be banned from the courthouse and schools but it would be illegal to discriminate against non believers. ( all religions have God and all can agree he wants peace and love)
and that would be on the first day !
F. Sinkwich
June 21st, 2012
7:04 pm
Bubba would have been okay if he told the truth.
He didn’t.
So he took a perjury rap and lost his law license.
He fought the law and the law won.
Brosephus™
June 21st, 2012
7:04 pm
They BOTH
Livingston resigned when his affair became public fodder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Livingston
Resignation
During debate over the impeachment of Bill Clinton on December 19, 1998, Hustler Magazine Publisher Larry Flynt offered one million dollars for each unflattering sexual story about Republican members of congress. After one such story was made public about him by Flynt, Livingston acknowledged that he had had an affair and resigned as Speaker-elect. He challenged President Bill Clinton to resign as well. Livingston then announced he would resign from the House in May 1999.[5] This was despite support from the Minority Leader Dick Gephardt of the Democrats who had agreed to work with Livingston had Livingston assumed the Speaker’s office and not make a continued issue of Livingston’s affair. Indeed, had Livingston become Speaker as originally intended, this would have made it much more difficult for the Republicans to carry out impeachment proceedings.[6]
Livingston was succeeded by David Vitter, who later went on to become the first popularly elected Republican Senator from Louisiana, and Bobby Jindal, who later became Governor of Louisiana. The District is currently represented by Steve Scalise of Metairie, Louisiana.
Brosephus™
June 21st, 2012
7:05 pm
EC
Make it one person now…
pogo
June 21st, 2012
7:05 pm
In corporate america today we are being taught that the sign of a good leader/manager is an individual that is willing to take full responsibilty in front of his workers for his failures as well as his successes, but especially his failures. Using this criteria, Obama is a total failure as a leader. He takes no responsibility for any of his failures. None. This should make even the liberals take notice.
F. Sinkwich
June 21st, 2012
7:05 pm
Mama is a moonbat.
Get help.
Billybob
June 21st, 2012
7:05 pm
bro,
out of those three please tell me who committed perjury…..
Rightwing Troll
June 21st, 2012
7:06 pm
“The Terry family deserves answers about why their son was killed as a result of an operation run by the United States government,” Boehner told his weekly news conference.”
Why doesn’t Boner show the same level of concern for the 2013 families of American soldiers killed in W’s Iraq folly???
bman
June 21st, 2012
7:06 pm
Bro…I don’t know. How old was that intern? I don’t hate Clinton and I think everyone makes mistakes. But, his actions and his decisions say a lot about him.
It’s hard to defend.
Rightwing Troll
June 21st, 2012
7:07 pm
“In corporate america today we are being taught that the sign of a good leader/manager is an individual that is willing to take full responsibilty in front of his workers for his failures as well as his successes, but especially his failures. ”
That’s a joke, right?
josef
June 21st, 2012
7:07 pm
D*mn, Mama, you’ve actually put some thought into this! Not a bad start…
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
7:07 pm
F Sinkwich – “Bubba would have been okay if he told the truth.”
99% of the the time, the cover up is worse than the crime…Nixon, Edwards, and, a few others come to mind
Paul
June 21st, 2012
7:08 pm
pogo
I take it you’ve forgotten all the hoopla about trying to get Pres Bush to apologize?
Gen Colin Powell was on Stewart the other night. Stewart observed that out of all the people of the Bush Administration – Bush – Cheney – Rice – Rumsfeld – Wolfowitz – that Powell was the only one to say ‘we made a mistake.”
I wouldn’t go pointing too many fingers -
Billybob
June 21st, 2012
7:08 pm
jay,
obama completely ignoring immigration, pelosi’s comments today……holder lying to congress more than once….anything?
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
7:09 pm
Bro
Thanks. I forgot about him………
TaxPayer
June 21st, 2012
7:09 pm
June 21st, 2012
6:43 pm
TaxPayer – “What is Mitt’s position on polygamy?”
dunno…what’s yours? and on gay marriage as well…just curious
Erwin,
I promise to share them with you just as soon as I run for president. Honest. I will.
By the way, I saw you had posted something to the effect that you were a scientist or something like that and had worked in a lab. Are you retired now. Just curious.
F. Sinkwich
June 21st, 2012
7:09 pm
“…Obama is a total failure as a leader. He takes no responsibility for any of his failures. None. This should make even the liberals take notice.”
Nice try, pogo. I agree of course, but those who accuse the messiah of failure are racists.
Don’t believe me?
Just ask the lib ilks around here.
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
7:10 pm
Bro
Must be in the water down in LA……………..
Vitter had (heck may still have) his trips to the brothels.
As you say, personally I don’t care. It is the hypocrisy that is amazing.
That bs is between them and their families, not me
Paul
June 21st, 2012
7:12 pm
Billybob
“holder lying to congress more than once”
How about a providing a cite before we invoke Kamchak’s Observation?
TaxPayer
June 21st, 2012
7:13 pm
What is Mitt’s position on Swiss bank accounts?
getalife
June 21st, 2012
7:13 pm
A pol told the truth:
Retiring Dem: ‘The People Have Gotten Dumber’…drudegy.
The gop attack on education is mission accomplished.
They voted for w twice.
They destroyed our country and the world.
They have no shame, humility, morals, values and honesty.
They will vote to do it again.
Billybob
June 21st, 2012
7:14 pm
countdown clock to holder’s predicament being racist…..may already be happening jay…..
Mama Says
June 21st, 2012
7:14 pm
Please Josef, call me moonbat.