Romney dawdles and ducks on immigration

Mitt Romney spoke today to the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, where he was expected to finally take a position on President Obama’s recent decision not to deport illegal immigrants who were brought here as children and are now seeking an education or serving in the military.

The remarks were much-anticipated. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, for example, has been saying this week that he didn’t want to take a position on Obama’s move until Romney had done so, explaining that Romney “is the leader of our party from now until November.”

However, Romney’s speech did nothing to clarify his position, as you can see for yourself:

“For two years, this president had huge majorities in the House and Senate – he was free to pursue any policy he pleased. But he did nothing to advance a permanent fix for our broken immigration system. Instead, he failed to act until facing a tough re-election and trying to secure your vote.

Last week, the president finally offered a temporary measure that he seems to think will be just enough to get him through the election. After three and a half years of putting every issue from
loan guarantees for his donors to Cash For Clunkers before immigration, now the president has been seized by an overwhelming need to do what he could have done on Day One. I think you deserve better.

Some people have asked if I will let stand the president’s executive action. The answer is that I will put in place my own long-term solution that will replace and supersede the president’s temporary measure.

As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution. I will prioritize measures that strengthen legal immigration and make it easier. And I will address the problem of illegal immigration in a civil but resolute manner.”

I’m sure McConnell and his fellow Republicans appreciate the clear, “resolute” roadmap drawn for them by their party’s nominee.

In the primaries, of course, Romney had no such problem with clarity.

As usual with Romney, it is also necessary to point out that the words in his speech had only the vaguest of relationships to the truth. For example, he claims that for his first three and a half years as president, Obama “did nothing to advance a permanent fix for our broken immigration system.”

In 2010, and at Obama’s insistence, Democrats in both the House and Senate pushed passage of the so-called DREAM Act. The measure passed the House 216-198, although only eight Republicans supported it. It also drew strong majority support in the Senate, 55-41, but because Republicans had invoked the filibuster rule, it fell short of the 60 votes required for passage.

Only three Republican senators dared to vote to override that filibuster. Let’s take a look at their fate, shall we?

– At the time of the vote, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska had just been re-elected as a write-in candidate after being rejected as insufficiently conservative by GOP primary voters in her state.

– Bob Bennett of Utah had also been defeated earlier that year in a GOP primary, again on grounds that he had been insufficiently conservative.

– Richard Lugar of Indiana was defeated this year in a Republican primary, again because he was considered insufficiently conservative.

In other words, there is no chance whatsoever that Republican leaders — terrified of their base — will gather the courage necessary to address this issue. But they are indulging in hypocrisy of the highest order in an attempt to disguise that reality.

For example, House Speaker John Boehner had the gall this week to complain that by taking executive action, Obama had short-circuited any chance of congressional action on the DREAM act:

“It puts everyone in a difficult position. I think we all have concerns for those who are caught in this trap, who through no fault of their own are here. But the president’s actions are going to make it much more difficult for us to work in a bipartisan way to get to a permanent solution.”

Note Boehner’s expression of deep, humane concern “for those who are caught in this trap, who through no fault of their own are here.” Note his yearning for “a bipartisan way to get to a permanent solution.” I tell you, it almost brought tears to my eyes.

Then note the GOP’s overwhelmingly rejection of the DREAM act in 2010, led by Boehner. Note Romney’s promise to veto such legislation should it ever reach his desk as president. Note what happened to Rick Perry in the GOP presidential primaries after he defended a Texas version of the DREAM act.

The truth is, there is no give on this issue among Republicans. None. The party has taken an absolutist position and has badly punished any of its own who has dared to challenge that absolute. And while this predicament may be frustrating for party leaders, it is a predicament of their own making. The animus that they helped to generate within their base as a means of building voter loyalty has now become real and heartfelt, and as a result it is now impossible for them to make the adjustments needed for the long-term health of their party and the long-term health of this country.

– Jay Bookman

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Rightwing Troll

June 21st, 2012
3:27 pm

Mittens… the regular guy “leader” who leads from behind… he etch-a-sketched his way right to the front of this issue, didn’t he? Pass those cheesy grits my way…

Jerome Horwitz

June 21st, 2012
3:27 pm

Also Romney fails to mention that Congress couldn’t pass legislation when they controlled the White House and had Democrats on board. Oh well.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

June 21st, 2012
3:28 pm

bu…bu…bu….Obammma wah wah

dam, somebody beat me to it. One post. New record. I win office pool.

carlosgvv

June 21st, 2012
3:28 pm

It looks as though the Republicans will concede the Latino vote to the Democrats. The question is why? Are they doing this because they are “terrifed of their base”? Or, have they done the math and concluded Romney can be elected without any significant Lation support? Inquiring minds await an answer to these questions.

Cutty

June 21st, 2012
3:28 pm

Jay

June 21st, 2012
3:28 pm

0311, if you want to invite people down your little rabbit holes, at least have the courtesy of letting others try to address the topic at hand first.

Rightwing Troll

June 21st, 2012
3:29 pm

Hmmm… there was a Scout retread post up there when I started typing, then it was gone.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
3:29 pm

“For two years, this president had huge majorities in the House and Senate – he was free to pursue any policy he pleased. But he did nothing to advance a permanent fix for our broken immigration system.

Wow.

This has been ignored since St. Ronnie-of-the-RayGun’s 1986 amnesty

stands for decibels

June 21st, 2012
3:30 pm

Only three Republican senators dared to vote to override that filibuster. Let’s take a look at their fate, shall we?

let’s see, I’m Mitt, and I’m confronted with this…

“Can’t we just turn the page, as your President likes to say. heh heh.”

Does that work?

Alabama the Heart of Dixie

June 21st, 2012
3:30 pm

Alabama’s revised immigration law sets a bad example

The changes came during a special session in which Gov. Robert J. Bentley had sought to soften the law by removing some of its worst provisions, several of which have led to federal lawsuits. The Justice Department has already sued the state, as it has Arizona, arguing that the law interferes with the federal government’s sole authority to regulate immigration. But state Sen. Scott Beason and state Rep. Micky Hammon chose to ignore the more moderate voices, including law enforcement groups and farmers, who rightfully worry that the law is harming, not helping, the state. Those fears are well-founded. Since the law was passed, growers have reported labor shortages that have led to rotting crops and financial losses.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765579202/Alabamas-revised-immigration-law-sets-a-bad-example.html?pg=all

Atlanta Mom

June 21st, 2012
3:30 pm

Welcome back Jay.

stands for decibels

June 21st, 2012
3:31 pm

elected without any significant Lation support?

Laotian? (As in, “My Bonnie is a Laotian?”)

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 21st, 2012
3:31 pm

Romney’s whole facade is going to break apart during the debates when he has to choose a side on issues.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
3:32 pm

Jerome Horwitz :

“Also Romney fails to mention that Congress couldn’t pass legislation when they controlled the White House and had Democrats on board.Oh well.”

Don’t do that. The libs. on here won’t like you.

Rightwing Troll

June 21st, 2012
3:32 pm

Boner says:
“It puts everyone in a difficult position. I think we all have concerns for those who are caught in this trap, who through no fault of their own are here.”

Hmmmpphhh… pishposh… since when? Last friday? You Lie!!!!

kitty

June 21st, 2012
3:32 pm

The GOP is handing the Latino vote to Obama, guess they don’t like Latinos…pretty obvious that….not white old and ignorant you can’t be a Republican…notice I said nothing about conservative. Today’s GOP is just stupid and short sighted. All I can say is good. Losers.

Jay

June 21st, 2012
3:32 pm

To his credit, Kam, George W. also tried to address the issue, but was blocked by the intransigence of his own party.

The idea that Romney, who shows no willingness whatsoever to challenge his party’s base, would even attempt such a thing is ludicrous.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
3:32 pm

carlosgvv — “It looks as though the Republicans will concede the Latino vote to the Democrats. The question is why? Are they doing this because they are “terrifed of their base”? Or, have they done the math and concluded Romney can be elected without any significant Lation support? Inquiring minds await an answer to these questions.”

I suspect it’s because they want the votes without actually having to *do* anything for them or having to listen to the concerns and issues of Latino voters.

Not being willing to listen or do anything, the next logical conclusion is that they’re not getting those votes, at least not in any significant numbers. I suspect those grapes are quite sour to the GOP.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 21st, 2012
3:32 pm

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
3:33 pm

“In 2010, and at Obama’s insistence, Democrats in both the House and Senate pushed passage of the so-called DREAM Act.”

Rather disingenuous, I’d say. I would have opposed the DREAM act (as stand alone legislation) as well, because it is NOT comprehensive immigration reform but rather a band-aid applied with political intent. I would have said “make that part of a much larger and comprehensive bill and I’ll seriously consider it. It would appear by this that the Obama administration was more interested in scoring political points than in solving a problem. Obama has PLEDGED immigration reform in his 2008 campaign and later on as well but instead worked tirelessly to pass comprehensive health care reform (which PROVES he was capable of pursuing comprehensive reform legislation). What, his administration could not spin two plates at the same time.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
3:33 pm

0311 — “Headline: Jay addresses 0311 !”

You certainly seem excited over being told to pipe down.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 21st, 2012
3:34 pm

My take?

Romney dawdles and ducks…everything!

Don't tread

June 21st, 2012
3:36 pm

“Romney dawdles and ducks on immigration”

Well, at least he’s not saluting corruption.

Jay

June 21st, 2012
3:36 pm

Oh please, Crier.

Senate Republicans squashed the Dream Act, probably the least controversial and most popular piece of immigration reform, and you want to condemn Obama for not trying to pass the whole thing? Exactly how far do you think THAT would have gotten?

That’s just thick with hypocrisy.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
3:38 pm

Jay:

This gentleman seems to disagree with you:

Headline: “Romney Gets Specific On Immigration Reform At Hispanic Leadership Conference”

“What’s more, Romney made the case for lasting, legislative compromise on immigration. Perhaps a plan to court lawmakers in order to achieve lasting change, as opposed to executive fiat, is just a passé concept for some.

I suspect that this speech will not win over Romney’s critics on immigration reform. Nor will it win the plaudits of the many Hispanic organizations that remain deeply wedded to their Democratic partners, whose legislatively-bestowed patronage has been so good to their leaders over the decades. But the average Latino voter is another story.

“We can do better,” was Romney’s message today. I suspect that Latino voters know he is right.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/romney-gets-specific-on-immigration-reform-at-hispanic-leadership-conference/

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
3:39 pm

Don’t tread :

LOL !

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
3:39 pm

“Let me entertain you!” – Mitt

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
3:39 pm

“The idea that Romney, who shows no willingness whatsoever to challenge his party’s base, would even attempt such a thing is ludicrous.”

Whatever Romney will do if elected, I cannot envisage him handling the economy worse than Obama and at least he will not nominate justices who belong to the Derrida school of textual interpretation (can you say “penumbras” and “emanations”?) but instead will confine themselves to the meaning of the Constitution intended by its authors and ratifiers. I will vote for him on that consideration alone.

Talking Head

June 21st, 2012
3:40 pm

“It looks as though the Republicans will concede the Latino vote to the Democrats. The question is why?”

It puzzles me why libs throw out statements like these to make an argument. Why would Latino’s automatically vote Democrat because Republican are against backdoor amnesty and trying to enforce illegal immigration measures? Wouldn’t those with a Latino background whether they were born here, have multiple generations here, or immigrated here legally side more with Republicans stance on keeping illegal immigrants out? Why would someone who fought to get here the legal way be in support of those who are cheating the system?

carlosgvv

June 21st, 2012
3:41 pm

Stands – 3:31

For some time now I’ve been worried about people like you who want to post here but just don’t have the sufficent intellect to post anything worth reading. But, now I feel better!! I realize there’s actually something you can do. You can proof read and catch any spelling errors.

I think it’s just so precious that dimwits like you can actually find something here to do. I guess it makes your zoo job of assistant Elephant s*it shoveler go a little quicker.

TaxPayer

June 21st, 2012
3:41 pm

“I write fiction.” – Mitt

?????????

June 21st, 2012
3:43 pm

“Senate Republicans squashed the Dream Act”

Jay, you are so full of $hit it isn’t even funny. You act as if the GOP controls the Senate. Grow up you effing old white loser.

carlosgvv

June 21st, 2012
3:43 pm

Talking Head – 3:40

You would think that would be the case. But it appears those Latinos here legally get all bent out of shape by Govt. efforts to deport illegals.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

June 21st, 2012
3:44 pm

Rmoney has given us a hint -
he self deported his money to the Cayman’s and Switzerland.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 21st, 2012
3:44 pm

Obama’s immigration stance/policy will help sew up CO, NM, and FL.
Next he needs to work on OH, WI, MI. What could he do for those people? We should know in July sometime.

mwuahahahahahahaha

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
3:45 pm

“That’s just thick with hypocrisy.”

Sounds like I hit a nerve. I don’t know about you, Jay, but I want comprehensive solutions to all of our major problems – the debt, immigration, wacky taxation and the like. I would feel much better about Obama had he at least tried to get it done and then fallen back on the DREAM act while throwing up his hands. The problem is not just with Obama; the intransigence (as you rightly characterize it) is everywhere to be found in DC. Brosephus is right: we need to come together on some things or we are going to sink into the annals of history.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 21st, 2012
3:45 pm

Mitt needs some excitement in his campaign.

Take a stand Mitt! For the love of…., take a stand, man!

CJ

June 21st, 2012
3:45 pm

Mitt Romney: “As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution.”

Any idiot can run for office on that platform. And, frankly, one would have to be an idiot to buy that snake oil.

Ayn Rant

June 21st, 2012
3:45 pm

Republicans have dawdled and ducked ever since Reagan had the guts to grant “amnesty’ to illegal immigrants. Obama has addressed the issue to the extent of his powers in the face of a moribund Congress.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
3:46 pm

Towncrier, I posted this for you some weeks ago, but I have no idea if you ever saw it or not. It clarifies my position in re our discussion of the spitting issue; I believe you’ve badly misread my position. I also outlined the results of my attempts to verify Lindgren’s claims.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/05/03/laughably-gop-wants-to-blame-divisiveness-on-obama/?cp=20#comment-945002

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
3:46 pm

How does one “legally get bent out of shape”?

And that just begs the question — can one get bent out of shape illegally?

Steve

June 21st, 2012
3:46 pm

What DOES Mittens stand for? In the debates he was clearly anti-immigration, but at this conference he tried to sound more centrist. What DOES he stand for?

Jay

June 21st, 2012
3:47 pm

Good point, CJ.

On taxes:
““As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution.”

On the deficit:
“As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution.”

On the Middle East:
“As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution.”

On the heartbreak of psoriasis:
“As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution.”

Joseph

June 21st, 2012
3:47 pm

Here’s a link for all you misinformed fruits. Especially you Jay. Google not working??

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/immigration

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
3:48 pm

CJ:

“If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

barking frog

June 21st, 2012
3:49 pm

Romney will pursue reform
for Mexicans since he was
born there.

Steve

June 21st, 2012
3:50 pm

From Mittens’ website;

Secure The Border
Mitt Romney will complete a high-tech fence and provide the necessary number of border patrol to finally secure our southern border.

So how do we pay for this? How practical is this nonsense? Is it a 3000 mile Berlin wall?

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
3:52 pm

T. Head — “It puzzles me why libs throw out statements like these to make an argument. Why would Latino’s automatically vote Democrat because Republican are against backdoor amnesty and trying to enforce illegal immigration measures? Wouldn’t those with a Latino background whether they were born here, have multiple generations here, or immigrated here legally side more with Republicans stance on keeping illegal immigrants out? Why would someone who fought to get here the legal way be in support of those who are cheating the system?”

Because of the way your side demogogues Hispanics. You’re doing it yourself in your choice of language. You repeatedly use the term “illegal,” even though being undocumented is no greater an offense than speeding or driving without a driver’s license. You use the term “cheating,” which is hardly applicable to children who were brought here, or to people who are waiting for their applications to be approved — and who are LEGALLY able to remain here, despite being undocumented.

Conservatives tend to be very, very uninformed on this issue, and seem — IMO — to take out a lot of their frustrations on Hispanics in general without bothering to figure out whether any given Hispanic is actually here legally or not. I can’t begin to tell you how many times I’ve said on an an internet message board ‘well, here’s what my Hispanic wife tells me,’ only to be greeted with “WAS SHE HERE LEGALLY BEFORE YOU MARRIED HER????”

:roll:

If y’all want to keep acting like that, Hispanics will keep voting for Democrats and you’ll keep being puzzled. And that suits me fine.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
3:53 pm

F. McCool . . . “Mitt needs some excitement in his campaign.”

O_o

Never mind. I thought you said “excrement.”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
3:53 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
3:48 pm

CJ:

“If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

Corporal

April 22nd, 2009
9:24 am

PARTING THOUGHTS:

After much soul searching I have made the decision to end my time here as a contributing poster.

Glass house, meet stone.

Jimmy62

June 21st, 2012
3:54 pm

It’s too bad the only way Obama can win is to exploit certain groups by passing laws and executive orders that pander and divide. If he couldn’t buy off distinct groups, then there’s no way he could win. He’s certainly not a uniter, all he does is divide.

stands for decibels

June 21st, 2012
3:54 pm

I think it’s just so precious that dimwits like you can actually find something here to do. I guess it makes your zoo job of assistant Elephant s*it shoveler go a little quicker.

Wow.

And to think I was (not making this up) about to post something like this:

“carlos, couple of weeks back I think it was, I made some harsh assessment of your predilections and said something harsh about you having a problem with certain ‘uppity’ types. I’ve since read a lot of what you’ve posted, and I think a lot of it is quite thoughtful, and I wanted to tell you that I was wrong. In fact, I apologize for my earlier, rash language.”

Now… I dunno what to think.

(sorry about the personal aside, but some days, you get some weird stuff thrown your way.)

Mighty Righty

June 21st, 2012
3:55 pm

Quoting Romney from Bookman’s statement above:

“Some people have asked if I will let stand the president’s executive action. The answer is that I will put in place my own long-term solution that will replace and supersede the president’s temporary measure.”

“As president, I won’t settle for a stop-gap measure. I will work with Republicans and Democrats to find a long-term solution. I will prioritize measures that strengthen legal immigration and make it easier. And I will address the problem of illegal immigration in a civil but resolute manner.”

Sounds like decisive action to me. A permanent solution involving both political parties that includes a path to once and for all solve the no solution Obama flip flop political pandering that didn’t do anything but kick the can down the road.

Way to go Mitt. Finally an executive that will bring achieve consensus between two disparate political parties. Just exactly the leader this country needs.

Steve

June 21st, 2012
3:55 pm

Maybe if this do nothing Congress would pass appropriate legislation to handle the immigration situation Obama wouldn’t have had to do what he did, Jimmy62. 62% of AMericans agreed with his actions, so who’s being divisive?

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 21st, 2012
3:55 pm

possible 2012 slogans for Mr. Plastic, Mitt Romney:

Possible Romney 2012 slogans:
“Don’t Leave Home Without It”
“It pays to Discover Mitt Romney”
“There are some things money can’t buy. For everything else there’s Super Pacs”
“It’s Everywhere You Want To Be”
“Wherever it takes you, the future takes Mitt Romney”

Goldie

June 21st, 2012
3:55 pm

“I tell you, it almost brought tears to my eyes.”

Thanks Jay — another spot-on analysis of Mr. Etch-A-Sketch!

:)

stands for decibels

June 21st, 2012
3:56 pm

Glass house, meet stone.

very nice catch.

Thomas

June 21st, 2012
3:56 pm

The idea that Romney, who shows no willingness whatsoever to challenge his party’s base, would even attempt such a thing is ludicrous

Your right Bookman- never has a candidate moved toward center after winning an election- candidates never try to consolidate a base.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 21st, 2012
3:58 pm

Mighty, in your quote of Jay’s quote, there is nothing substantial. It’s all “I will work toward this…I will put this (insert vague idea) into place”

The guy is just blowing smoke but you can’t tell smoke from substance.

Peadawg

June 21st, 2012
3:58 pm

“Last week, the president finally offered a temporary measure that he seems to think will be just enough to get him through the election.”

He’s got a good point

Steve

June 21st, 2012
3:59 pm

What DOES Romney stand for? The same old policies that got us into the mess that you people blame Obama for not miraculously fixing with a do-nothing Congress thwarting his every move?

CJ

June 21st, 2012
4:00 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801: “If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.

Go back and look at the tape. Obama was talking about TARP, which, like it or not, turned out pretty well.

josef

June 21st, 2012
4:02 pm

As the economy continues to improve, and the construction industry especially is looking better, we’ll need more undocumented workers. My guess is that should Romney go in, he’ll go back the the Bush-Clinton-Bush policy and roll back the deportations under Obama.

j$

June 21st, 2012
4:02 pm

Romney stands for Hope and Change.

Maybe this go around there will be some of one or the other…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 21st, 2012
4:03 pm

Cammie:

You left some things out:

“After much soul searching I have made the decision to end my time here as a contributing poster. I could give several reasons why but the main one is the continuing decline of civility among posters. I wish to use my time for more uplifting endeavors.

If I have offended anyone I apologize and I can assure you it was just my particular brand of satire or hyperbole. Nothing was ever intended to be personal.”

I hope all of you will make a concerted effort to “raise the bar” as I believe the posters on these threads are a representative cross-section of this country – and right now that is not good.”

#1) I am not running for president and what I posted had to do with me personally at the time NOT what I was promising to do for the American people if elected.

#2) I’m baaaack !

#3) It’s good to know I get under your skin with my favorite Romney campaign slogan to the point that you would take the time to find my previous post. Look for it again and again.

#4) In the meantime, you have a president that is in serious trouble of being re-elected.

Now ………. I have to be gone for awhile but I shall return and I look forward (as I do everyday) to your posts.

Latino Voter

June 21st, 2012
4:03 pm

Obama realized that Rubio was pushing for a similar bill and wanted to beat him to the punch. If Obama had put half of the political clout behind this that he put into health care reform or don’t as don’t tell, Immigration reform would already be in place. As for myself, I am more concerned with the ecomony and unemployment which has gotten worse under his presidency.

Goldie

June 21st, 2012
4:04 pm

“I’m not familiar with precisely what I said, but I stand by what I said, whatever it was,”…

One of my very fave quotes by Gov. Etch-A-Sketch.

:)

Joseph

June 21st, 2012
4:04 pm

Even Yahoo News understood Romneys speech today. Hmmm. I guess if he would come out and say he agree’s with Obama’s plan Jay would still write tripe attempting to make him look bad… You libs are hillarious….

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-says-replace-supersede-obama-immigration-plan-160622731.html

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
4:05 pm

Shorter le petit caporal: Do as I say and not as I do.

getalife

June 21st, 2012
4:05 pm

“Incapable of taking a position” Obama

Too weak to be President.

Weird too.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 21st, 2012
4:07 pm

Well, I reckon Mr. Mormon Underpants knows where us Conservatives stand on immigration. It wouldn’t take more than a few million bucks to deal with the problem. First you write in about $10 million for gas for our pickups. Then if the libruls want to be Compassionate, they can add about $20 million for portable seats for the pickup beds. Then if there’s 12 million or so illegals in this country, we’ll need about 2 million redneck pickup trucks and drivers. We round all the illegals up one night and head for the Mexican border.

And I do mean all of them—grandpas and grandmas, dads and moms, and kids. You can’t have a long-term solution if you leave some of the illegals behind.

The Dump ought to be worth the price of admission. We can gain most of the money back by selling tickets at key dumping spots. We might could need a little PR campaign to sell the tickets—something like “Take a Dump—Watch Us Solve the Immigration Problem.”

You might not like it but at least I have a solution that’s guaranteed to draw Republican support. Have a good night everybody.

GT

June 21st, 2012
4:07 pm

How do we keep this real for the Spanish voters when elected officials represent only part of a community and allow for what that part wants.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
4:09 pm

“Towncrier, I posted this for you some weeks ago, but I have no idea if you ever saw it or not. It clarifies my position in re our discussion of the spitting issue; I believe you’ve badly misread my position. I also outlined the results of my attempts to verify Lindgren’s claims.”

I didn’t see it, JHM (I haven’t been on consistently). Thanks for the heads up. I have read it and thanks you for your detailed response. I will not respond to it point by point but just offer a few thoughts. You say in that post:

“Therefore, if you think I’m somehow disinclined to believe that such spitting happened simply on ideological or political grounds, you couldn’t be farther off base. If it actually happened, I *want* to know about it. I’d simply like to see *concrete* evidence of it, not just take people’s word for it – as Lindgren is clearly predisposed to do by his own admission.”

As I have said all along, knowing human nature (as evidenced even recently by some members of the Occupy Wallstreet movement) it is FAR from inconceivable that people would have spit upon returning Vietnam veterans – a possibility Lembcke denies outright because he has seen no researched evidence for it. I mean, why go to the trouble to write a book to refute firsthand claims it happened instead of just letting things die down over time? It seems to be to be driven all by an agenda to preserve an image (whatever that might be).

So I am glad to hear that you are not disinclined to believe the possibility of it happening. I share your frustration with Lindgren not specifying the publication date of the articles he cites (especially given his academic stature) and applaud you for your effort so far. I wonder if an e-mail addressed to him directly, in a nice manner (you know, “an acquaintance of mine and I are having this debate about….”), could yield this information. Perhaps he has copies of the articles themselves in a file somewhere. A response from him, in whatever manner, might reveal a lot.

Jay

June 21st, 2012
4:09 pm

Yes, Joseph, even Yahoo News understood it, as they point out in their opening paragraph:

Mitt Romney criticized President Barack Obama’s immigration plan on Thursday, saying that as president, he would “put in place my own long-term solution that will replace and supersede the president’s temporary measure.” While that plan is still vague….”

Saying “I will replace his plan with my plan” tells us nothing without an explanation of what that plan might be.

ty webb

June 21st, 2012
4:10 pm

“How do we keep this real for the Spanish voters when elected officials represent only part of a community and allow for what that part wants.”

wrong continent.

Joseph

June 21st, 2012
4:12 pm

Dow down 250 on Obama’s gloomy jobs reports…

ty webb

June 21st, 2012
4:12 pm

jay,
and obama’s “plan” is simply to “turn the other cheek” for a certain segment of illegals?

Joseph

June 21st, 2012
4:13 pm

Jay:

Did you get the link to his website Jay?? Google will find it for you…

JamVet

June 21st, 2012
4:13 pm

Imagine that, the Party of the Spineless nominating a spineless candidate.

I’m shocked, ! tell you!

And the truth be told, this guy is infinitely worse than John McCain…

Steve Atl

June 21st, 2012
4:14 pm

Welcome back Jay…I missed my daily dose of “complete bias” from the so-called Journalist.

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
4:14 pm

“Saying “I will replace his plan with my plan” tells us nothing without an explanation of what that plan might be.”

Which is a HUGE problem with MOST politicians. Say what you will about Gingrich, Jay, you will at least have to concede he puts a developed plan on the table. Most do NOT.

Georgian

June 21st, 2012
4:15 pm

LAME….LAME….LAME….ROMNEY IS TRULY DISAPPOINTING ON MANY FRONTS…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
4:16 pm

OH NOES! THE DJIA LOST 2.04% TODAY!

WE ARE ALL LOST, LOST I TELLS YOU!

ABANDON HOPE!

ABANDON SHIP!

Dekalb Comments

June 21st, 2012
4:16 pm

Mr. RMoney, your magic underpants are constricting the flow of blood to your head.

1. The Republicans used the threat of a filibuster to make passing any legislation extremely difficult. At some point in our future we need to get back to majority decision-making in Congress or we are destined to never get anywhere. Do the Republicans really think that when they are back in control of the Senate, the Democrats will not pull a Mitch McConnell and threaten to filibuster everything the majority brings forward? So the fact the President had a significant majority in the Senate he did not have 60 votes to defeat threatened Republican obstructionism.

2. More important things…The President did not take up immigration reform because, quite honestly, there were more important priorities such as keeping the economy from falling off a cliff. So things like passing a stimulus bill and saving GM and Chrysler from liquidation were priorities over immigration reform. Then there was the need to address the abysmal performance of a health care system that leaves tens of millions of Americans uninsured and millions more under insured.

Those were priorities for the first two years of the President’s term. He has been trying to advance measures to stimulate hiring and save jobs but the obstructionists on the right only want to introduce legislation dealing with abortion, gay rights, religious freedom, guns, etc.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 21st, 2012
4:17 pm

Yeah, at least McCain could take a stand on something.

Well, Romney DID declare that he likes cheesy grits. I’ll give him that one.

Jay

June 21st, 2012
4:17 pm

Yes, Joseph. I did. It says nothing about his reaction to Obama’s action or how he would improve on it.

If he thinks what Obama did was wrong, he should just say so, right? Instead … nada.

getalife

June 21st, 2012
4:17 pm

willard does not have a plan because our President took the rubio plan.

A brilliant move.

JKL2

June 21st, 2012
4:18 pm

finn- The guy is just blowing smoke but you can’t tell smoke from substance.

glass house, meet stone.

Almost four years of obama BS and your still lapping up every word…

East Cobb RINO

June 21st, 2012
4:18 pm

“looks as though the Republicans will concede the Latino vote to the Democrats”
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Which would effectively hand Fla (and a 2nd term) to Obama

Joseph

June 21st, 2012
4:18 pm

Jay:

Here you go Jay… Honestly Jay you prove the point that I make over and over about you people on the left. It really don’t matter what plan or policy Romney puts forward even if it is better for the American people. You’re going to rail against it like its Armageddon. The problem with what Obama did is that he simply doesn’t have the power to do it. Let’s see how you howl when Rubio introduces his plan and dems vote against it.

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/immigration

Steve Atl

June 21st, 2012
4:20 pm

What’s so hard about filling out the proper paperwork, getting in line, and entering our country legally?

Thousands do it…I have friends that have done it properly and legally…what do you have to say to them Jay.

JKL2

June 21st, 2012
4:21 pm

-Saying “I will replace his plan with my plan” tells us nothing without an explanation of what that plan might be.

It’s too bad he can’t come up with a neat slogan like “hopey-changey”. Then he would have instant credibilitiy and people would believe everything he says.

Jay

June 21st, 2012
4:22 pm

I mean, what’s so hard about a Republican candidate saying “I disagree with what President Obama did, and here’s why”? The announcement is probably the most substantive policy change to come out of Washington in months, and Romney can’t find the guts to either condemn or agree with it?

Meanwhile, he speaks of being “resolute?”

josef

June 21st, 2012
4:22 pm

Just an observation

“Magic Underpants,” which displays a most un American bias and prejudice, keeps making its appearance. The question was raised the other day as to which “side” is exhibiting that prejudice. I started keeping count. It’s the liberal-left.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 21st, 2012
4:23 pm

It’s too bad he can’t come up with a neat slogan like “hopey-changey” the smoking gun is the mushroom cloud. Then he would have instant credibilitiy and people would believe everything he says.

pogo

June 21st, 2012
4:23 pm

And Obama throws out some brightly colored policy beads which really aren’t worth anything to the Latinos hoping they will fall for the ruse. The desperation in the Obama campaign and his acolytes his palpable. They are truly scared they will lose in November and in fact, they just may. Next he will promise the “greens” free taxpayer money to pay for their computers and call this a “green energy nitiative”.

Jay, your earlier piece was very much in the leftist party line with the NYT’s and the Wash Post editorials today about F&F. That means you must be scared of this. You should be. The under reported retraction yesterday from the DOJ on Holders earlier testimonial comments about the Bush Admin being briefed on Fast and Furious tells me that Obama and his lapdog Holder are taking this very seriously.

It is hard to believe that a bunch of so-called “newspapers” that made a such a big deal out of Vallerie Plame and that supported spending millions of taxpayer dollars on an DOJ investigation and congressional hearings into the “outing” of a low-level, un-important Washington socialite are now saying a case where the DOJ created a gun running program that resulted in the death of one of our law enforcement officers is un-important. Jay is rested and his liberal hypocrisy is in full splendor.

And Ty, here is an article from the UK of all places that pretty much re-enforces your earlier assumptions on F&F. It takes a British newspaper to tell us the truth since we can’t get it here in the US.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100166854/the-fast-and-furious-scandal-is-turning-into-president-obamas-watergate/

Steve Atl

June 21st, 2012
4:23 pm

Oh yeah…I forgot about Benefits of doing it illegally….no taxes, free healthcare, free education, driving without a valid drivers license, no car insurance, stealing SSN’s to create an identity.

Joseph

June 21st, 2012
4:23 pm

Jay:

What’s Obama’s reaction to Romney’s plan? Should Romney react to Obama’s every move? I don’t think so… Right now it’s Romney’s job to deliver his message as to how he will get this country going again in a positive way. Issue by issue… That’s something Obama has certainly failed to do unless it involves more spending…

Towncrier

June 21st, 2012
4:26 pm

“What’s so hard about filling out the proper paperwork, getting in line, and entering our country legally?”

It means you can’t get what you want when you want it. Theft, rape and other wrongdoing are similar ways of circumventing the law. Now I certainly think the law should be changed to better accommodate our good neighbors in preference to those living half way around the world, but the fact that the law is less good than it should be does not make it invalid.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 21st, 2012
4:27 pm

Jimmy62 — “If he couldn’t buy off distinct groups, then there’s no way he could win.”

Exactly who do you think the President is ‘buying off,’ and how’s he doing it? What’s he paying them with?