A lot of baloney flying fast and furious

Yaaay…

Papa Daddy’s back on the Liberal Plantation…glad you’re back? Were we good l’il chirren while you were gone…

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For one thing, Republicans cannot read large documents. At least that’s what they keep telling us.

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This whole megillah was a bad idea from conception. Dumb. Just plain dumb. Now as far as the documents? Aw, turn ‘em loose and keep the antis occupied plowing through them looking for what’s probably not there to begin with. Find somebody in “contempt of congress?” Just taking it at verbal face value, we can come up without 300,000,000 names for that list in a heartbeat…

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Fast and Furious started under Bush. It was a bad idea. But it didn’t result in anyone’s death. The killers would have just used other guns. Guns are fungible and available.
Reminds me of the withchhunt after Clinton. Forty million to dig up nothing.

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Jay…

http://lolcats.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/06/19/funny-cat-pictures-well-look-who-finally-came-home/

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The real question is about perjury. When Issa holds up a memo that Holder admits reading and it specifically states F & F, and Holders response is that F&F is not really F&F we have a problem.
But Democrats are comfortable with Perjury, just like with Uncle Bill.
(for those of you willing to look you will see Uncle Bill was dis-barred in Arkansas for his little white lies.)
I don’t like Holder and I don’t like his politics but he is an appointee of the President and I respect what he has to do, but I will not accept the nations top police official perjuring himself.

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Attorney General Eric Holder, backed by President Obama, has refused to release those documents, which is why he is now in danger of joining a long list of officials in both parties to have been held in contempt of Congress over the years.
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It doesn’t really matter what the motives of the Republicans are. Obama claimed he was going to make his adminsitration more transparent. Not providing documents goes against that principle. If there is no problem he would hand over whatever documents he has.

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Holder offered to go over the documents privately. Just not make them public. And Holder is right. Memos and emails are private and not subject to being made public by a congressional request.

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Republicans always have the fall-back position that the founder of Ameritrade offered up after they give up on trying to make the truth hurt anyone other than themselves.

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If there’s nothing to hide, then just turn over the documents.

There is something to hide….details of ongoing criminal investigations. Handing those to our loose-lipped politicians is not a good idea.

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What a transparent President we have!

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Holders Gone @10:27: “If there’s nothing to hide, then just turn over the documents.

HG,

Jay explained this in the post that you don’t appear to have read–

“Committee Chairman Darryl Issa insists that the Justice Department release thousands of additional documents that go right to the core of ongoing criminal investigations in the case, even though as a matter of law and practice such documents are considered exempt from congressional subpoena.

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Is this a statement of a sane man?

“CPAC confrence in Florida NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre, President Barack Obama’s decision not to pursue gun control legislation is a “massive conspiracy,”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aELb5ub1oE&feature=related

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If the A G is so innocent like Jay makes it appear, why did he lie to congress?

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To the NOTHING TO HIDE people,

Step 1) read this: http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/

Step 2) get your head out of your ass.

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If the A G is so innocent like Jay makes it appear, why did he lie to congress?

If he lied to Congress, why didn’t they charge him with lying to Congress?

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Why isn’t Congress focused on jobs instead of expensive, pointless witch hunts that cost tax payers millions?

Why isn’t the Department of Justice focused on prosecuting crimes instead of expensive, pointless witch hunts that cost tax payers millions? See Clemons, Roger.

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Speaking of Palin’s now-released documentation, didn’t it show that she was pallin’ around with terrorists.

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The concept of “gun walking” germinated back in 2006. Seems there has been a commonality of players on the Federal side in the Arizona office.

What somebody thought was a good idea turns out to be not so good.

Investigate from the beginning (calling it another name doesn’t let the original participants off the hook) and find out which of these career Agents and DOJ people promoted, mismanaged it, and discipline them.

I would seriously doubt anybody in this Administration or prior administrations developed this program independently. This was conceived and “sold” as a good idea.by those “professional” Career personnel that were probably on board before Bush or Obama.

If anyone should be held in contempt, it should be Rep. Issa.

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If he lied to Congress, why didn’t they charge him with lying to Congress?

They who? The DOJ?

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Fear and Hate is all they got. That’s their replacement for Hope and Change.

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If he wasn’t in danger, why did he have to be transferred off the base? Colonel?

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Eric Holder covered for Clinton and he’s covering for Obama. Where there’s smoke there’s fire.. The Obama administration has a history of ignoring laws they don’t agree with. All this reeks of the King Roy attitude of being so superior they are above the law. Arrogance has led to the downfall of King Roy Barnes and now Obama has the King Roy syndrome.

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“A lot of baloney flying fast and furious”

Seabiscuit

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We understand Bookman supports the cover-up. After all, why should an administration act transparently?

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GOP = greedy old pigs.

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What is Obama hiding. If the facts are not in dispute as Bookman claims, what ’s the big deal. Congress has the rights to see documents related to a gun running operations gone wrong. If the White House did not know about this misbegotten disaster, what is the point of asserting privilige? On the other hand what did they know? What were the purposes of “fast and furious”? How has the White House been involved in the cover up? We can only know by seeing these documents.

No one is asking to hear that legal advice given to the president by his closest counselors. Rather this is a simple matter of transparency and accountablity.

Obama made much of how asserting executive privilige was wrong. It’s just another broken promise, another cynical attack from Obama when he had no real underlying conviction.

Holder needs to be accountable. If that trail leads to the White House, so be it.

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If it’s no big deal, why are they refusing to release all the documents? I doubt the anti-gun angle, but it’s not like Obama and his sycophants haven’t said some pretty anti-gun stuff. I think this case has become a lot bigger than it had to be due to their refusals and recalcitrance. It could have gone away, but Obama and Holder keep trying to hide something. I don’t know what, but they are hiding something, that cannot be denied. Literally cannot be denied. That’s what the claim of executive privilege is… hiding something.

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Show them the e-mails and then arrest everyone of them for messing with an on-going investigation. Put them in solitary until the investigation is done. Heck, the Congress is not doing anything anyway! This would be a win win! We won’t have to listen to this drivel.

Adam: always keep a box of microwave popcorn in your desk for “emergencies” like this. That and some MRE’s and Ramen noodles! This could last into the night!!!!

Conspiracies? Someone put the S key to the right of the A key on my keyboard, but Jay and Kyle won’t let me use the term “a$$”. That is entrapment! And I know some politician did this… if I could only prove it!

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Mr. Right — “Who would believe any thing that comes from MSNBC since they were caught editing things to make the point they want to make?”

I trust that you have the same opinion of Fox News.

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yeah! this is just like lyin’ us into a waw of choice!
wait…
well annyways,

THEY GON TAKE YORE GUNZ!

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Gun-Walking Operations:

Bush – Operation Wide Receiver, Mar 2006 – Oct 2007, 650 guns allowed to “walk”. Mexican government notified of operation. Operation shut down at the behest of William Hoover, ATF’s assistant director for the office of field operations.

Obama – Operation Fast & Furious, Nov 2009 – Jan 2011, 2020 guns allowed to “walk”. Mexican government never notified of operation. Operation shut down after disclosure of “walked” weapon involved in Arizona firefight resulted in the Dec 2010 death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

There’s a marked difference in how these operations were executed and concluded. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

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Impotent Rage — “THEY GON TAKE YORE GUNZ!”

EY TUK ER JERBZ!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goobacks

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Grasshopper, 3 people die every hour from gun violence in this country. thousands died in failed wars. One border agent dies and Obama is the anti-christ?

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Agent killed with American weapon supplied by American DOJ. And of course liberal hack Bookman says it’s nothing. TYPICAL.

Just like American soldiers giving the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq for nothing hugh Jay?

Oh yeah that was Repubs. My bad.

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You shall be judged by the quality of your enemies. We find 90% of the public has no respect for the congress. Accordingly, Mr. Holder, we find great favor with you.
The congress had an opportunity to help monitor illegal gun trafficking by allowing ATF to require electronic filing of gun sales reports. They denied that procedure. Accordingly, they are involved in the illegal trafficking of guns and have a conflict of interest in this matter.

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Aren’t border patrol agents supposed to be like the security team on Star Trek?

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Sorry, JHM, I had to do it.

People are making it sound like one border patrol agent’s death is the worst thing in the world, when compared to 4000+ killed over Iraq… which never ever ever gets mentioned how that might have happened.

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Moosa…

Seeing that Congress is more focused on witch hunts than jobs…how do you expect our President to magically solve the employment outlook. Should he put on his superman cape and fly to Europe and solve their economic problems that affect us too?

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Transparency doesn’t equal foolishness. Just the other day everyone was outraged by leaks of classified national security information and understandably so. The administration has been forthcoming for months and has finally and reluctantly drawn a line in the sand.

Fast and Furious was a severely botched operation. Conceived in the Bush administration and nurtured under the Obama one. Indirectly both Presidents share in whatever blame the Chief Executive Office can bear under the circumstances. But I see no evidence anywhere of criminal wrongdoing.

And as for Rush, what a buffoon.

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“Grasshopper, 3 people die every hour from gun violence in this country. thousands died in failed wars. One border agent dies and Obama is the anti-christ?”

Not the anti-Christ (Christ should always be capitalized, by the way) just now involved in a massive cover-up.

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Massive coverup? Wow, take off the tinfoil hat, man.

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I’m not dismissing the death of an agent, but please, remove the hysterics and conspiracy nonsense and put this into perspective. The necessary actions were taken, people were fired.

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“It began as an effort to track the illegal flow of guns from U.S. gun shops across the border to Mexican drug cartels, with the hope of using the information to break up those cartels, and in the end it may have contributed to scores of deaths, including the death of a U.S. Border Patrol officer.”

This, in my view, is not just “a bad idea gone wrong”, Jay. It is criminal. I never supposed that the operation was “a government plot intended to make guns look bad and to build public support for undercutting the Second Amendment”. Indeed, the thought never entered my mind. But if it were true that Obama actually knew about and authorized this operation (and in an election year, he certainly wouldn’t want to admit that) when Holder has testified he did not – now that is worth looking into. Obama’s use of executive privilege here is suspicious if (as it appears), the “privileged” documents are not 1) presidential (do not somehow involve Obama) or 2) a concern to national security.

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“Massive coverup? Wow, take off the tinfoil hat, man.”

What else do you call lying about knowledge of the program, refusing to allow any senior executive to accept responsibilty, obstructing a Congressional investigation and invoking executive privilege over a matter you supposedly knew nothing about, dude?

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While executive privilege may apply to individuals who work in the Executive Branch of goverment who serve at the pleasure of the President and are not subject to Senate confirmation and otherewise do not report to Congress, that is not the case here

Wrong. Executive privilege covers the executive branch. Not just the President. Congress has the power to confirm, the power of the purse, and the power of impeachment. The Executive branch is co-equal and can tell Congress to go to hell right up until the courts say they have to comply with something. That’s why “signing statements” are abhorrent… and still legal. Congress can’t tell the Executive how to do its job except through monentary control or if they can convince the court to go along.

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Steve’s 11:05 post does not demonstrate a dismissive attitude regarding another’s loss of life. In fact, it highlights a problem.

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Massive coverup? Wow, take off the tinfoil hat, man.

I think the cons superglue them on.

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Don’t forget that 11:09, Grasshopper.

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“Executive privilege covers the executive branch. Not just the President. Congress has the power to confirm, the power of the purse, and the power of impeachment. The Executive branch is co-equal and can tell Congress to go to hell right up until the courts say they have to comply with something.”

FYI, there is no provision for “executive privilege” in the Constitution. Yet another instance of branches of the federal government (the executive and the judicial that “authorized” it) making their own rules, apart from the standard they are supposed to be following.

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Jay,

Obama is not different that Bush and Romney will be no different than Obama. If the spineless one released the documents, no issue would exist and the Lefties could easily quell this political issue. What could be in those documents that requires executive priviledge? Can anyone help me on this? Hope and change my arse…

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JAY,

Are you 100% certain that the outstanding documents evidence no problems for your pal President Trillions? If so, you are truly amazing and deserve respect from all….

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they’re trying to find something, ANYthing, to embarrass Obama and they want HIM (via Holder) to provide it.

Yup. They’ve seen the electoral college maps, the clock is ticking….might not get another chance to find *something* to bring down the Marxist/Secular Socialist, Kenyan anti-Colonialist
(did I miss any?)

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LMAO I love Luckovich’s cartoon today!!!

http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/?cxntlid=sldr_hm

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Call me crazy all you want.

It does not change the fact that this AG and this President are now complicit in covering up the details surrounding the death of Brian Terry.

And you all are A-OK with that. As long as it keeps their incompetent butts in office.

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“What could be in those documents that requires executive priviledge? Can anyone help me on this?”

Fingers tapping….

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What could be in those documents that requires executive priviledge? Can anyone help me on this?”

Read the link I posted before to see what’s exactly being covered. You’ll see its internal documents discussing how to handle Congressional and media requests. Internal deliberations. Not activities that they actually did, just what they discussed.

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“LMAO I love Luckovich’s cartoon today!!!”

Luckovich strikes me as a coward since he (unlike a number of political cartoonists) doesn’t allow comments to his cartoons. I guess the AJC is not as “accurate and balanced” as they profess.

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Luckovich strikes me as a coward

So says the blogger who complains using an alias to hide his real identity.

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Grasshopper — “You can start with Steve at 11:05.”

Rejected. He’s quite clearly outlining a dismissive attitude on *your* part.

He didn’t dismiss Terry’s death. He asked how come y’all care so much about *one* particular death when the standard line from the GOP during the war was ‘they knew what they were signing up for.’

Insert quarter, try again.

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The questions that should be asked now are: how much does Obama know? And when did he know about it?

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I don’t see many things “working” at all.

Your blindness doesn’t mean something didn’t just fly by you.

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I think the whole F&F stuff started at the White House, and now they are afraid of the Latino vote disappearing when they (Latinos) find out how many Mexicans died because of the guns and the WH involvement? If they didn’t have anything to hide, then release the stupid documents! Such a nice transparent President – NOT.

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The questions that should be asked now are: how much does Obama know? And when did he know about it?

And then complain about whether he did/did not know for exactly opposite reasons. Doesn’t matter what the answer is to those whose brain stems are infected with ODS.

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I think the whole F&F stuff started at the White House

You would be wrong, then. Thanks for playing. Wikipedia can be your friend.

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You choose to waste you own time, not me.

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Do any of you have actual evidence to support such a claim?

But… but… but… OBAMA!!!

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Johnny Reb – I agree with Towncrier. Luckovich should allow comments to his cartoons

It’s a frik’en cartoon – grow up and get over it.

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JHM – “I challenge you to produce one post by any regular liberal poster on here that demonstrates a dismissive attitude about of Agent Terry’s death.

here ya go

Steve – “3 people die every hour from gun violence in this country. thousands died in failed wars. One border agent dies and Obama is the anti-christ?”

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It’s a frik’en cartoon – grow up and get over it.

You should be a doctor. Excellent diagnosis and recommended treatment plan.

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It is all about taking your guns cons.

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“Fast and Furious started under Bush.”

this is a lie.

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I have heard rumblings of the House Republicans wanting to impeach Obama. Good luck in the Senate trial with that. In a way I hope they do as I think it would be a bad stategy during an election year.

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Just in case anyone needs to know what is and what is not picayune…

http://www.nola.com/t-p/

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But I DO think they knew about it and are hiding something.

I think they were brought into the loop long after it went off the rails. People act like these are small companies where everyone knows everything and gossips about everyone’s business instead of massive government agencies with personnel and activities spread across the globe.

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Fly-On-The-Wall

June 21st, 2012
11:38 am

Johnny Reb – I agree with Towncrier. Luckovich should allow comments to his cartoons

It’s a frik’en cartoon – grow up and get over it.
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It’s amazing the self-appointed braintrust here does not understand the political cartoonist is a direct reflection of the AJC’s political idiology.

There have been changes to the AJC that makes it somewhat more acceptable to conservatives, but as long as Luckovich is the guy the image won’t change. He needs to move on just as did Tucker. A compromise would be a Conservative cartoon each day of the week and on-line and/or him opening his post to comments.

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Grasshopper — “Call me crazy all you want. It does not change the fact that this AG and this President are now complicit in covering up the details surrounding the death of Brian Terry.”

That’s only your opinion at this point. You might be proven correct at some point in the future, but as of right now, that’s merely your opinion. Not a fact.

“And you all are A-OK with that. As long as it keeps their incompetent butts in office.”

No. If Congress wants an investigation, they can certainly do one.

FWIW, I was just as outraged as you are now when the Valerie Plame case broke. And despite all the signs pointing to high-level involvement, nothing was ever *proven,* so despite my personal upset, I have to deal with it and move on.

If nothing’s proven to support your allegations, then you shall have to do the same thing.

Grow the eff up and listen to what you’re saying.

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A compromise would be a Conservative cartoon each day of the week and on-line and/or him opening his post to comments.

So says someone who doesn’t read the for-money printed edition… which has one EVERY DAY.

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“It’s a frik’en cartoon – grow up and get over it.”

No problem except that the editor of the AJC in advertisement is claiming the paper is “accurate and balanced.” I am looking for the professed “balance” in this instance.

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CBS has actually done pretty good reporting on this issue.

Haven’t seen it. Anything in particular catch your eye?

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“Committee Chairman Darryl Issa insists that the Justice Department release thousands of additional documents that go right to the core of ongoing criminal investigations in the case, even though as a matter of law and practice such documents are considered exempt from congressional subpoena.”

Since the Republicans have been more than willing to stall the recovery and lower the country’s credit rating to “make Obama a one term President, it’s not real surprising that the Cons would risk letting felons go so that they can regain power in Washington.

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Jay, I don’t have any evidence Obama and/or Holder or others are guilty. However, there is too much smoke not to be fire. If something was not astray this 18 month investigation would have been over without the mess.

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Pea,

Jay is not television.

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hussein,
the special prosecutor knew who leaked her name at the start of the investigation and went on for a couple of years after the fact and all he could do was catch someone messing up some inconsequential dates during testimony….that is call a political witch hunt…..the hunt here is to find out the truth and find out why holder perjured himself in front of congress…big difference but i wouldn’t expect jay to enlighten his readers to those facts…..

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ByteMe – Political thug

June 21st, 2012
11:45 am

A compromise would be a Conservative cartoon each day of the week and on-line and/or him opening his post to comments.

So says someone who doesn’t read the for-money printed edition… which has one EVERY DAY.
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I only get home delivery on Sat and Sun. There is not a conservative cartoon on Saturday. Are you sure its there Mon thru Fri?

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Do you have any evidence that Obama signed off on it?

“But… but… but… that’s in the papers they won’t turn over”

in …3…2…1….

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Sorry, I mis-spoke about which branch Holder fell under. The fact the DOJ is part of the Executive Branch, however, does not change the fact that the there was no Justice Department or AG for nearly a century after the Constitution was enacted and that they are entirely dependant upon Congress for their funding and their very existance. If Congress chose to, they could vote tomorrow to eliminate the DOJ entirely.

They are claiming the “deliberative process” privilege. It is important to note that no one is claiming that there was any involvement of the president or his staff in this deliberative process, merely DOJ employees. It is very presumptious of them to tell Congress to basically go to hell when Congress requests information from them.

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Maybe the reason the so-called liberal MSM isn’t following this in the way the Right wants is because they see this for what it – another witch hunt in an election year.

But my guess is that the reason the Right thinks the rest of the media isn’t covering this story is because the media isn’t denouncing Obama like Faux News does every day/hour/minute.

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Billybob
June 21st, 2012
11:41 am
it’s the cover-up after the fact that is at issue jay and you know it…..your post intentionally misses the point, kind of like msnbc, nbc, cbs, and abc not even doing their job on this issue….
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You conveniently left out your beloved FOX news which is the king of fabrication and half-truth as exposed as recently as 2 days ago on The Daily Show for not showing the full clip of an Obama interview. They cut their version short because it would have proven their version wrong.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-19-2012/democalypse-2012—pander-express-edition—obama-s-immigration-reform

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I expect the dems to walk out on the vote of contempt in the house because the gop did it.

Everything the gop is doing, the dems will do the same.

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“Just following FNC’s example.”

I guess so, JMH. It is probably imprudent to claim something for yourself you are not living up to. And I would concede that the FNC is not always “fair and balanced” (with the implication others are not).

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If the A G is so innocent like Jay makes it appear, why did he lie to congress?

This is “lying” as defined by Issa.

If you trust Issa.

I wouldn’t trust Issa to change a $20, with cameras rolling and guns pointed at him.

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carlos,
when you have a president who just arbitrarily decides which laws he will uphold and which laws he will not uphold, then we have a problem…..why should his attorney general, who works at his behest be any different…..the leftists in power continue to show their complet and utter lack of leadership and everyone sees it and hussein’s own words continue to bury himself…..winning’

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For the cartoon question – I’ve seen Luckovich cartoons that did not show President Obama in a favorable light so where is your outrage or support for those?

Your selective disdain is disgusting. The Right is lower than whale poop.

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Meanwhile, the President and AG are in Michelle’s garden burying the documents as we speak.

An excellent time in DC to start tilling for fall broccoli and spinach.

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“If the A G is so innocent like Jay makes it appear, why did he lie to congress?”

Good question.

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ND
Until yesterday, I did not know that Operation Fast and Furious has been going on since 2006 (when Bush was in office).

another quote from Issa, in 2011:

Walking Guns and Laundering Drug Money – The “War” on Drugs is Doing Just Fine
December 4, 2011
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Darrell Issa has backed off his calls for Eric Holder’s resignation. He basically states that since the program is institutional in the Department of Justice and has been since the Bush administration, holding Holder responsible would be pointless.

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Billybob — “holder is like you, a complete aand utter liberal political hack…..the most political attorney general in a long time…”

Sorry, I’d give that title to Ashcroft. Anyone who thinks that a statue of Justice needs her boobies covered up — and orders it done — isn’t playing with a full deck.

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There have been changes to the AJC that makes it somewhat more acceptable to conservatives, but as long as Luckovich is the guy the image won’t change. He needs to move on just as did Tucker. A compromise would be a Conservative cartoon each day of the week and on-line and/or him opening his post to comments.

The AJC is a private company. If you don’t like the product, you don’t have to read/purchase it. If there’s such a demand for a conservative newspaper, the free market will provide the supply to meet the demand. You do believe in allowing the market to handle things, or are you suggesting some kind of outside interference in the operations of a private company?

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time to go back and produce the tax money that obama wants to redistribute through central gov’t planning anc socialism…..nov buries the dem party led by the leftists for a decade……good times

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“If the A G is so innocent like Jay makes it appear, why did he lie to congress?”

Good question.

What lie are you referring to? The memo where he stated one thing and then told Congress pretty soon after that the memo might be completely wrong that he hadn’t been given all the facts… and then eventually told Congress to disregard the memo that other information was coming to light and that information was this other thing? That “lie”?

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EXCECUTIVE POWER IN YOUR FACE. GOP LOSERS.

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The technique by Rush Limbaugh is to put a right extremist mind into the body of Obama and make the conservative paranoid logic part of the president’s thinking. Like a bank robber thinking any person hanging out in a bank parking lot is casing the joint. The president is after your guns, the other president, our president was after the bad guys. We had good intent and he took that intent and made it into a cause against guns.

In Limbaugh logic Bush and Republican may have championed the drug wars as a excuse to have guns to protect ourselves from these thugs. They may have let 9/11 happen to dope the population with fear that equates to career saving votes in a second term for a not so popular president who is going down historically as one of our worse.

The Mexican government is a weak operation. They let us down on tracing the guns. No excuse on our part it was a sorry operation one of the few from Obama but business as usual for Bush who created it.

Maybe we don’t want a corrupt government in Mexico who allowed this to happen, seeing how we operate towards them. The drug violence is our creation, one law legalizing drugs and it stops. What is not controllable is the access of that border to terrorist. Who is our think tank and how do they operate. Give most intelligent people this information and they will figure a way to beat the system and cause great harm in this country. Republicans don’t care. Maybe they are hoping to have it happen if Romney does beat Obama and then has to walk the walk as president. Just about the time the world figures out ,what some of us have known the whole time, this guy is a fool, the attacks come from compromised information gathered listening to the hearings. Romney could blame this on the previous administration and cast fear in the population so his “do nothing policies” can be continued for 8 years. His private sector friends grow large off government milk building a homeland security. Lord how do these people lived this paranoid it is killing me after 10 minutes.

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Oh BTW, crude oil has just broken through the $80/bbl price support and is trading around $79/bbl.

$5 GAS!!!!!!

It’s so sad what some people think.

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Interesting “11th Dimension Chess” take on this.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/fast-furious-investigation-hurt-gop-article-1.1099788

Obama and others will insist this is an election year witch hunt, a claim that some members of Congress are already making. Then Obama will proceed to tout his job proposals while blasting congressional Republicans for being detached and too consumed in an issue too complicated for most to grasp instead of focusing on jobs. In the ultimate political irony, he’ll make the case he’s trying to revive the economy while the GOP plays politics. Mitt Romney’s economic message will be muzzled by the GOP’s investigative zeal.

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The entire GOP should be held in contempt.

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…Obama administration helped to plan and execute Fast and Furious, although again, there’s no evidence that is true…

Then why not release the documents? Just withhold evidence and claim there is no evidence it is true. Brilliant. Imagine if a Republican AG had released weapons that ended up killing an agent and injuring many more, and then a Republican president had issued an executive order to keep the information from being released. Most on this blog would be apoplectic. Don’t you get tired of defending the indefensible?

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Is it even possible for that slut/prostitute, POS at the EIB to even tell the truth anymore?

For that matter, did he ever?

And why do the neocons let him get away with decades of these lies?

Because they hate liberals and non-Republicans more than they value integrity and honesty?

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“Seeing that Congress is more focused on witch hunts than jobs…how do you expect our President to magically solve the employment outlook. Should he put on his superman cape and fly to Europe and solve their economic problems that affect us too?”

Perjury is not a witch hunt. It’s amazing that the liberals have no issue with the highest law enforcement agents in the US lying and circumventing the law.

As for Obama, he cannot keep his own house in order. He has no business telling the Europeans what to do or how to fix their issues.

Three and 1/2 years into the Obama administration and unemployment is rising.

It’s already clear that this emperor has no economic clothes…

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Billybob — “hussein, the special prosecutor knew who leaked her name at the start of the investigation”

Knew, but couldn’t prove. Don’t make me explain the entire case to you.

“and went on for a couple of years after the fact and all he could do was catch someone messing up some inconsequential dates during testimony….that is call a political witch hunt….”

Rejected. Karl Rove admittedly withheld information from the grand jury more than once. There’s also circumstantial evidence that Scooter Libby learned of Plame’s CIA work through VP Cheney — which WOULD BE a violation of Federal intelligence security laws.

“the hunt here is to find out the truth and find out why holder perjured himself in front of congress…big difference but i wouldn’t expect jay to enlighten his readers to those facts….”

Well, the hunt with Plame was to figure out who originally knew Plame was a CIA operative on the active list and gave that info up to someone not authorized to possess it — which is a Federal offense. But I wouldn’t expect the conservative media to enlighten its consumers to *those* facts.

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GT,
The Mexican government wasn’t aware of “fast and furious” which is one of a few factors that makes that “operation” different than any former “operations” under Bush…and you also lied, “fast and furious” didn’t begin under Bush. The statement “Bush who created it” is a lie of the bald face variety.

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“Oh BTW, crude oil has just broken through the $80/bbl price support and is trading around $79/bbl”
Thats’ what happens when demand collapses.

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Byte me: People think?

I’m an optimist that the Dark Side can be won over with logic and evidence. That makes me a “leftist” to them, I guess.

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It’s called Congressional Oversight.

Which part of the Constitution do you find it mentioned?

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Perjury is not a witch hunt.

And yet, they did not go after him for perjury, they went after him for contempt. Why is that?

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Adam @ 11.59, I for one wish that the House would actually go after the Administration on abuse-of-power issues of actual importance, rather than this crap. They could be sensible and highlight the atrocious treatment of whistleblowers (wouldn’t it have been nice for GOPers to be arguing on behalf of Bradley Manning’s human rights?), for instance. They could have intelligent public discussions over our drone program and the kill list, instead of hiding behind the usual “we can’t talk about that, security dontchaknow.”

Heck, on the economy, there are justifiable knocks against the President they could take, on screwing the pooch with HAMP and so forth.

Instead, they keep doing the Gunz/God/Gayz crap.

Oh well, I don’t really expect otherwise, but one can hope.

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Towncrier: How would I any more than we initially had evidence of Nixon’s involvement in Watergate (not that FaF is equivalent)? But the safest way to dismiss an allegation is falsify it with evidence.

So the extent of Obama’s guilt is only limited by your imagination?

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Towncrier — “I guess so, JMH. It is probably imprudent to claim something for yourself you are not living up to.”

I’m pretty sure the Federal Trade Commission’s rules on truth in advertising don’t apply to TV networks and newspapers. I mean, you can certainly determine whose razor blades last the longest in regular use, or which brand of spaghetti sauce kids prefer, but quantifying an amorphous trait like “fairness” or “balance?” It seems a fool’s errand to me.

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They did allow comments on his cartoons for a while, but as some of you may recall, it became an unmoderated free-for-all that they had to shut down.

If it was anything remotely close to the jibberjabber that goes on here, I can completely understand shutting it down completely.

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Perjury is not a witch hunt.

And yet, they did not go after him for perjury, they went after him for contempt. Why is that?

Because, c-o-n-t-e-m-p-t IS a witch hunt.

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stands: Adam @ 11.59, I for one wish that the House would actually go after the Administration on abuse-of-power issues of actual importance, rather than this crap. They could be sensible and highlight the atrocious treatment of whistleblowers (wouldn’t it have been nice for GOPers to be arguing on behalf of Bradley Manning’s human rights?), for instance. They could have intelligent public discussions over our drone program and the kill list, instead of hiding behind the usual “we can’t talk about that, security dontchaknow.”

But they won’t do any of that, because in the place of Obama, the would do what they are accusing him of, and worse. Dismantling that power structure is not in their interests.

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And please show me where executive privilege is mentioned in the Constitution.

Warning: Using conservative logic and deflection tactics below:

Show me where in the Constitution the Supreme Court has the ability to strike down laws, or make their own.

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The libs. & Obama don’t have enough sense to know how disasterous this can be just months before an election.

oh, really? You really think Team Obama doesn’t calibrate their moves based on electability, in a general election year?

Face facts. F&F is already off the front news pages. It might be back, but it appears to have settled into nutter-poutrage territory at this point.

did you even bother to LOOK at the link Jay provided, of all the other contempt-’o-Congrefs folks that have come before? Why should the public worry its beautiful minds over another Capital Hill dust-up?

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And please show me where executive privilege is mentioned in the Constitution.

It isn’t. That was the damned point! He’s claiming it’s against the Constitution, but I’m also saying that Congressional overight of the kind being done is also not mentioned in the Constitution. See how that works now? You can’t claim that the reaction is “unconstitutional” without also mentioning that the very act being reacted to is unconstitutional.

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RULED: Union must give fee increase notice…
“‘The majority thus decides, for the very first time, that the FIRST AMENDMENT DOES REQUIRE AN OPT-IN system in some circumstances [for union dues]: the levying of a special assessment or dues increase’
F WORD: FOX WINS OVER FCC…
Court throws out policy regulating curse words on broadcast TV…” drudgey.

The sc are con activists.

Can we cuss on this blog now?

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it became an unmoderated free-for-all that they had to shut down.

And let’s not forget just who it was that made it a free-for-all. These same a-holes cry in their beer over at Kyle’s, these days. But they lurk here. They sho’ nuff do…

Hi, Andy? Welch on any bets, lately?

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Congressional Oversight is implied as part of the checks and balances of the branches of government. For a particular phrase of the Constition — see for one the “necessary and proper” clause.

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“Show me where in the Constitution the Supreme Court has the ability to strike down laws, or make their own.”

You will need to go to the Marbury ruling in 1803, in which the SCOTUS “interpreted” the Constitution to mean they had this right (interestingly after it was decided by the Senate two years earlier that a justice could only be impeached for an “indictable” offense – which of, course, was unlikely to ever happen).

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Congressional Oversight is implied as part of the checks and balances of the branches of government.For a particular phrase of the Constition — see for one the “necessary and proper” clause.

So the part where the Executive is a co-equal branch of government — implied everywhere in the Constitution — means that they don’t have to bow down to the whims of a hyperpolitical Congress without a fight. Let the courts decide!

And let this take up yet another day of oxygen from the Romney campaign to paint the economy as horrible even if it’s not.

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My understanding is significantly different than Jays. For one thing he claims that people were demoted and fired. My understanding is that no one to this day has been punished. If Jay has other info it would be nice to inform us. After all, we are talking about a Murder investigation here not some campaign mis statement.In fact at lerast one “whistle blower” knowledgeable of the case has not even been interviewd. The “notion” that the gun running program was to “forward” the administration’’s fundamental change” program to restrict fire arm ownership in violation of the second amendment was not put forward by Rush Limbaugh but by Hillary Clinton’s actions and other anti gun liberals at the time this very program was on gonig. While the liberals were making public annoucements about the guns being used in Mexico, claiming the guns came from the United States the administration knew repeat knew the guns were being sent across the border with the full support and approval of the administration that was making the false claim that the guns were being provided by US gun dealers Also, at the same time the Obama regime knew of a report done by Mexico that proved most of the guns being used by the cartels were coming from Central and South America. But this didn’t sit well with the Administration’s anti gun policy. If this program was as innocent as Jay wants every one to think there would be no need to hide it. When Jay alledges that the congressional investigation has been unable to uncover the “needle” they need he is again wrong. The committee has documents proving Holder lied. After turning over a document which proved Holder’s pror testimony was false Holder withdrew the documents and now claim executive priviledge over the very same document. So now a president who claimed ignorance of this program is now claiming executive priviledge to stop the release of documents of which he previously claimed he was not aware. Doesn’t pass the smell test. Look for a full pardon of Holder for all crimes committed by Holder, by president Obama on his last day in office January 20, 2013.

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Show me where in the Constitution the Supreme Court has the ability to strike down laws, or make their own
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Adam I am with you on most of your points but the Supreme Court can strike down laws if they rule them unconstitutional. It is kinda their function. But they cannot make laws.

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I don’t necessarily think it’s Luckowich’s “job” to moderate a blog, As the Imam says, he’s not a “words” guy. But at the same time, he is expressing an editorial opinion on the editorial pages and SOMEbody can moderate the comments. He, and the AJC, are being given carte blanche. It’s not, imauo, good editorial policy, Don’t put it there if you can’t allow feedback in the form standardized on the opinion link.

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Byte Me — Your argument is illogical. Because some things not mentioned directly in the Constituion are constitutional, one can not argue that other things not mentioned in the constitution are unconstitutional?????? That makes no sense.

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Adam I am with you on most of your points but the Supreme Court can strike down laws if they rule them unconstitutional. It is kinda their function. But they cannot make laws.

They can because we let them, not because it’s in the Constitution.

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It started under w and our President ended it.

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the United States government, executive privilege is the power claimed by the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch to resist certain subpoenas and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government. The concept of executive privilege is not mentioned explicitly in the United States Constitution, but the Supreme Court of the United States ruled it to be an element of the separation of powers doctrine, and/or derived from the supremacy of executive branch in its own area of Constitutional activity

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Towncrier: Would you bet your very life on his innocence?

Would you bet YOUR life on his guilt?

I’m not f***ing nuts, so I do not generally gamble with my life. Unless you count speeding, which I simply rationalize as somehow not gambling with my life.

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“…but quantifying an amorphous trait like “fairness” or “balance?” It seems a fool’s errand to me.”

But a ploy used by advertisers all of the time – like Coke’s claim years ago that “this is it”.

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Mike did have a blog with no rules.

Andy messed that up like cons always do.

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As the Imam says, he’s not a “words” guy. But at the same time, he is expressing an editorial opinion on the editorial pages and SOMEbody can moderate the comments. He, and the AJC, are being given carte blanche.

Ever think that the AJC looked at it from a financial standpoint and figured out that the person who would monitor the comments would be much more efficient doing something else? At the end of the day, I’d wager that it all comes down to money and not driving some ideological message.

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The concept of executive privilege is not mentioned explicitly in the United States Constitution, but the Supreme Court of the United States ruled it to be an element of the separation of powers doctrine, and/or derived from the supremacy of executive branch in its own area of Constitutional activity

Thank you larry. Doesn’t mean they still won’t complain, because facts are not important to certain people, but at least you’ve done a better job than I have of explaining it.

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Andy messed that up like cons always do.

Dunno it was really just him, but he sure liked to brag about how he’d “run off” Mike.

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Holder, be a big boy and just tell the truth. Done !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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dont both parties have something in the game…

You’d think so. But apparently the Republican calculation is that bringing up divisive messaging while at the same time accusing Democrats of being divisive will get people to believe that somehow, they will be the leaders that simply get everyone to agree with them. Because, somehow, that is “unity” and “not divisive.” But if you look more seriously at what they are doing, most rational people come away thinking they are not very interested in helping the economy, and may in fact be seeking to keep it down on purpose for political gain.

recovery act!! yep that worked…he saved jobs..lol..

Thank you for your agreement. You can see the results and details on recovery.gov

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For one Jay. Karl Rove was not held in contempt. For two trying to persuade independents that this President along with his administration is not corrupt is simply laughable now. For three you conveniently left out the reason this is even happening! The Terry family deserves answers even if it may show more ineptness from the current President. He and his party should forget about politics for a moment and do the right thing!

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Towncrier: Of course not, but I fail to see what the problem is with releasing the requested documents to a committee sworn to secrecy if there is no issue with national security. Care to edify me?

That’s not an accurate description of what Congress is doing, nor is it an accurate description of the documents being requested, or of the committee asking for them. I could be wrong on the last part only.

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“You’d think so. But apparently the Republican calculation is that bringing up divisive messaging while at the same time accusing Democrats of being divisive will get people to believe that somehow, they will be the leaders that simply get everyone to agree with them. Because, somehow, that is “unity” and “not divisive.” But if you look more seriously at what they are doing, most rational people come away thinking they are not very interested in helping the economy, and may in fact be seeking to keep it down on purpose for political gain”
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Well said.

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Yeah, the libs said w destroyed our country and it turned out he did.

They did not have to lie about everything like our cons do today.

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Just start a business,
the world will tell you
how to run it.
TV has no comments and
it is more pervasive than
Luckovich, not that he’s
pervasive.

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@Adam….again, repubs do the “divisive game”, really? i read enough to see both parties are guilty with that…and agree there is nobody in either party looking for economic restructuring…9 billion spent for solar and wind projects…yielded 910 jobs… recovery huh?
and calculating saved jobs? youre kidding right? whats that equation look like?

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The day after the election, the very media that is now claiming fast and furious is no big deal and praising the the illegal executive order last week making the “dream act” law without the legal process, will be citing these among others as the reason Obama was defeated.

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Towncrier — “But a ploy used by advertisers all of the time – like Coke’s claim years ago that “this is it”.

Which is unquantifiable. For a competitor to have any cause of action, or for the FTC to punish Coke for such a claim, “It” would have to be something measurable or testable.

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BROSEPHUS

I never even intimated that it was an ideological thingie…it’s just questionable editorial policy, imauo.

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“Which is unquantifiable. For a competitor to have any cause of action, or for the FTC to punish Coke for such a claim, “It” would have to be something measurable or testable.”

Exactly. Agreed.

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As i repeated time and again on the last blog, it seems the Repubs do not want this President to have the same power that his predecessors had in regards to executive privilege.

And if the economy isnt improving, why is the Romney campaign telling Repub governors not to brag about improving job numbers in their states.

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When a comment is longer
than the host’s post editing
is desirable.

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“The problem is called political gamesmanship. Issa could have already had the documents he wanted, but he simply refused to “compromise”.”

Well, I don’t think Issa should have had to agree, in advance, that he would ask for no more documents before seeing the ones in question. That seems peculiar. I am NOT for witch hunts, but neither do I trust Obama – he has simply not told the truth (even in his own memoir) or broken his word on too many occasions.

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Our President should continue to refuse to cooperate w ANY request from the traitor cons. He should put them in jail for all of their obstruction over the last 3+ years. If Our President had only been allowed to merely speak new laws, we would have zero unemployment and b in our rightful position in the world – somewhere behind China and the Europeans, which is what we deserve for all the years of evil, white, hetero, Christian actions against the better people of the world

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Those of us with brains are well aware that Limbaugh is a college dropout idiot. He spoon feeds his hate and conspiracy theories to Dittoheads who keep him comfortable with a $60 million annual salary, a jet and various other amenities that lounge his lard ass. You got to hand it to Rush — he does have a sweet gig in keeping an audience capitivated that is a whole lot dumber than he is. That said, Issa is also a wingnut and let’s not overlook the fact that Fast and Furious began under jarhead George W.

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“I never even intimated that it was an ideological thingie…it’s just questionable editorial policy, imauo.”

Agreed. Though it may, as Brosephus has suggested, be more about money (not realizing moderation can be effectively handled by software if desired).

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“USURPATION” !! (”an act of usurping; wrongful or illegal encroachment, infringement, or seizure.”)

O.K. guys ……………. here’s what I am trying to get across with my earlier comments.

Once you start down the road of cheapening/prostituting/USURPING the Constitution (and both sides do it) then you are in BIG trouble. It’s gets out of control, there is little to no repsect for that “contract between the American people and their government” and each side just continues to do what they want instead of what the Constitution provides for.

George Washington said it best:

“If in the opinion of the People, the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed.”

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“Grasshopper – 12:36

Whoever pulled the trigger and shot the agent is responsible”

That’s not the way Bloomberg feels.

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Grasshopper — “It’s certainly pertinent to ask that question.”

Your concession is noted and appreciated.

“But that is not the subject at hand.”

Actually, it is.

“Being dismissive of one mans death because others have died for political reasons is an obfuscation.”

It would be, had someone actually done that. Fortunately, no one has.

“Deaths in wars are by definition political.”

Rejected. They may be political in a macro sense; in the sense that international politics are in play, but that’s not the area we’re discussing right now. And, by the way, thanks for dismissing the deaths of our military men and women in war.

“Dismiss the fact that an agent is dead and nobody is responsible.”

Nobody’s done that, but clearly, that’s not going to stop you from fantasizing that numerous people have.

“Obviously, that makes you feel better intellectually.”

Mindreading Attempt Status: UTTER FAIL

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Guns don’t kill Federal agents. People kill Federal agents.

So says the NRA.

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P.S.

All through our history, the Executive Branch, Congress and even the Supreme Court itself have “usurped” power not given in the Constitution.

If unchecked ………. that will eventually (given enough time) be the death of this Republic as we know it.

How is that checked? By human self-restraint on the quest for power ………….. not a very good thought is it !

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If unchecked ………. that will eventually (given enough time) be the death of this Republic as we know it.

Warm up the fainting couch!

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“fact that Fast and Furious began under jarhead George W.”

same lie second verse.

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“All through our history, the Executive Branch, Congress and even the Supreme Court itself have “usurped” power not given in the Constitution.

If unchecked ………. that will eventually (given enough time) be the death of this Republic as we know it.

How is that checked? By human self-restraint on the quest for power ………….. not a very good thought is it !”

Well said, Scout. I agree.

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Here’s my perspective on the cartoon thing. Number one I am a HUGE fan of political cartoons and I consider Luckowich one of the finest and the AJC is lucky to have him.

That said, as some of you know, I grew up in a newsroom back in the stone age of hot type. As a young Turk one of my jobs was to triage the letters to the editor. Those in response to the editorial cartoons outnumbered all the rest by the quire. I daresay that this feature has had more impact than any other in American (and foreign) journalism.

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All that we need is Our Great President and a committee of liberals to rule us. The constitution was written by old, dead, white, heterosexuals and doesn’t need to b followed anymore. Those of u who don’t want to allow Our President to rule as HE sees fit are only doing it for one reason, racism!

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The really bad stuff for Obama is coming up over the next few weeks. I guess having this scandel is kind of better for him. The Supreme’s are going to uphold the Arizona immigration law and strike down Obamacare… Hoepfully they will stagger this bad news over the next few weeks so Jay will have ample time for damage control… LOL… What a pathetic President…

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Libs are even running for cover on this issue… LOL…

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It’s good Obama’s spin doctor (Jay) is back, since things are beginning to spin out of control for him!

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and liars purposely lie.

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

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Obviously Obama failed math in school. He’s running the country the same way he’s running his campaign. Spending more money tahn he’s taking in… LOL… What a miserable failure.. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-20/obama-spends-more-than-he-raises-as-aides-see-romney-advantage.html

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Never mind ObaRma and Holder have intervene and saved possible millions of American lives by killing these terrorist groups who are trying to destroy America.
President Obama why continue to work and save the lives of scum bags like Rush, Hannity and the right wing nut jobs?

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Joseph

June 21st, 2012
12:54 pm
I agree with your statement except for the Arizona law. You could be right but it may turn out better than you think. If not, do like King Obama and not enforce the law.

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Jay is there no limit to what you’ll do to defend the left wing liberals? They can do no wrong in your eyes and the Republicans can do nothing right!

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“Oh, I’ll grant you the Imam’s a pretty good spin doctor, but even he can’t compete with this

“Now, we all know what the purpose of this was. The purpose of this was to gin up anti-Amendment 2 sentiment among the people of this country.”

Agreed. That thought never entered my mind. I just suspect that Obama may have signed off on a very bad operation and does not wish to own it.

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Well folks liberals have left the building!!! LOL

Well sport, looks like you called that one early. LOL

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James
Republicans can do nothing right.
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Excellent.

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I think Obama and Withholder are in trouble over this one and factoring in the dismal economy its Nobama in 013.

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“Well folks liberals have left the building!!! LOL.. ”

I think they are googling for help right now. Then they will copy and paste to display their high level of intellect and education.

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“I think Obama and Withholder are in trouble over this one….”

“Withholder” – cute.

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“Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, sport.”

Well, Kamchak I am pleased I will be missed. But I can comment on CNN/AJC. Imagine that!

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Lets see, the right take their orders from Rush, the high school drop out, former top 20 DJ, ex druger
man never marched, protest or taken up in cause outside of sitting behind his mic and spewing hate to low middle class whites who can not research for them self.

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I like Luckowich myself, but I do agree that he should have comments. He is on the editorial page.

Luckowich is the proverbial big fish in a small pond. There are about 50 other news publications that would love to hire him. Why should he subject himself to the abuse he would get from thousands of knuckle-draggers, particularly given the proven history of that abuse at the time he did open his cartoon up for comment? If you don’t like his cartoons, don’t read them. It’s called choice.

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“Shut the Door! You’re letting all the winter out.” – Robert Heinlein

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The whole reason that the baloney is flying around is due to the most transparent administration ever, oh wait I got that wrong didn’t I? If Holder did what congress asked there would not be all this baloney…By the way how does the congressional oversight committee do their job without the all the facts?

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Cons do not listen to a word of the right wing junk they post. At least that’s what they would have others believe.

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…and the Republicans can do nothing right!

James, at least you got half of the equation correct…

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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes Joe Hussein Mama:
There ya’ll are… Probably sitting next to each other in the public library in a soiled pair of underwear. So what’s your take on the new failure of the administration? Not caring about the Terry family and helping them find answers as to how their son died… Is there really any way to cover for this on the left?

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This is the only Rush i’ll listen too……………….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjJeO1h-yjI

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FNF has had some headlines recently. Was sorta surprised that Bookman took this long to blame Bush for the whole thing.

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A federal agent is killed and you liberals are going into overdrive to minimize the blood on your hands. Speaks volumes for your character.
What do we get from your mentor? A lousy look-up on Rush Limbaugh’s commentary and a reference that the Bush administration started the process. Unbelievable!

Transparency in the Obama administration? Liars! Drain the swamp? Right! Little knowledge of Fast & Furious? Liars! Executive privilege ? Cowards!

The American people know what the score is. Democrats have a nasty habit of lying on TV, in Congress, and in the media. Ask Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Eric Holder, Rep. Wiener, Sec. Geitner, Rep. Boxer, etc. You people have a tax cheat running the Treasury Department, a tax cheat dethroned from the House Ways & Means, a criminal running the DOJ, a plegarist for a VP, a left wing radical sitting on the Supreme Court having no credentials other than being Dean of Harvard Law, and an incompetent community organizer pretending to be POTUS.

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Williebkind:

I don’t think they can even find copy and paste spew. They tried to use the lie that this program started under the Bush administration but a simple Google search debunks that right away.. LOL… Its probably better they just ignore this… The more they talk the more regular folks beleive they are guilty..

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Not caring about the Terry family and helping them find answers as to how their son died…

On July 13, less than a week after claiming executive privilege for Miers and Taylor, Counsel Fielding effectively claimed the privilege once again, this time in relation to documents related to the 2004 death of Army Ranger Pat Tillman. In a letter to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Fielding claimed certain papers relating to discussion of the friendly-fire shooting “implicate Executive Branch confidentiality interests” and would therefore not be turned over to the committee.[13]Ask the Tillman family about the answers the Bush adminstration gave them to how their son died…..

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“All good things must come to an end and if the gop win, our country is history.”

Thanks Chicken Little. Ignore that we survived Jimmy Carter, Bush Jr. & now Obama.

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I will give Obama credit on this though. He didn’t throw his friend Holder under the bus like he did Wright, Rezco, Ayers, and Farrakhan…

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I am with Obama on this: the private sector economy is doing just fine.

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milt,

I don’t expect a different result like you cons.

I know the same thing will happen.

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Jay, let’s face it, Obama is going to get creamed this November, you know it, I know it and so does everybody else.

That might be true if the Republicans had a very strong candidate.

Cheesy Grits aint it though.

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MiltonMan:

You left out “Slick Willie” !

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“Fielding claimed certain papers relating to discussion of the friendly-fire shooting “implicate Executive Branch confidentiality interests” and would therefore not be turned over to the committee.”

By mentioning this, I guess you are conceding that Obama’s administration is likewise wrong to withhold FaF documents.

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“Ask the Tilman family about the Bush’s adminstration answer’s to how their son died.”

Libs and their “always comparing Obama to Bush” thought process. Bush was a crappy president. Why do you clowns keep comparing your man to him???

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Welcome back Jay ……any pics ?
F&F IS BORING !!!

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Hail to King Obama

Thank you for killing Osama

O King of Kings

Let his name sake ring

where enforcing the law is no such thing

Hail O hail King Obama.

Hail to Obama the Bolder

Using his power he protects his Holder

Hail O hail to mighty King Obama

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“Bush was a crappy president. Why do you clowns keep comparing your man to him???”

You are the only con to admit this fact.

That is why.

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I’m pretty sure that you’re not actually interested in what either of us have to say on the topic.

Yep, just best to ignore mike the troll.

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They tried to use the lie that this program started under the Bush administration

Umm it did start under Bush. They have been doing this sort of thing for years.

Bottom line most Americans dont care about this story. They realize its just a political witch hunt of the “swift boat” variety.

Its a non issue and wont have any effect on the election whatsoever.

The Fox news watching idiots who are getting pounded with this story weren’t going to vote for Obama anyway.

BTW things are looking very very good for Obama. He is building a lead in Florida and if he wins that state.

Game over. Thanks for playing Cheesy Grits.

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Hail to King Romney

Thank you for saving the Olympics

O King of Kings

Let his name sake ring

where the poor dont matter and the rich get richer

Hail O hail King Romney

Hail to Romney the white one

Using his power he protects us from Liberals

Hail O hail to mighty King Romney

Long live the King !!!!!

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“Issa is not interested in understanding what went wrong and what can be done to prevent it from happening in the future. He is looking for a needle in a haystack that shows this was all secretly devised to actually implement new gun controls.”

Even if he does (which I am not convinced of), I still want the documents to be see because I suspect Obama may have approved of the operation and he doesn’t want to own it (which is understandable but very dishonest).

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“Some of the president’s most ardent entertainment industry supporters quietly tell The Hollywood Reporter that while they realize he needs to deploy all of his weapons to compete with deep-pocketed Republican super PACs, they fear the increasing reliance on stars and celebrity contests could backfire with swing voters and mobilize the right.”

“HORRYWOOD !”

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“It started under w and ended under President Obama.’

same lie, fourth verse.

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“…under this program which was contrived by the Bush Administration…”

same lie, third verse.

What part of Bush was basically doing the same thing dont you understand ?

Its like talking to a brick wall.

I don’t know why the Republicans are so upset with Operation Fast and Furious. It was started by President George W. Bush, and torture Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, as Operation Thunder. If the Republicans think it’s such a bad deal, they should have investigated it when Bush started it

Project Gunrunner was the overall plan. Project Gunrunner was composed of several separate and independent operations, such as; etrace, wide-receiver, and fast and furious. Operation Wide Receiver (2006-2007) was conducted under President’s Bush’s watch, was a failure and shut down. Operation Fast and Furious (2009-2011) was conducted under President Obama’s watch and was also a failure

Only difference was the number of guns.

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Bojangles got caught. Spin/deny/quantify/explain/belittle it away any way you choose, but in the end, that is the truth.

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ty,

Prove it.

He cant.

But he can have a snappy comeback like say …

same lie. fifth verse.

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“It was started by President George W. Bush,”

same lie, fifth verse.

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Speaking of “executive privilege” how about “white privilege”.

DANGER WILL ROBINSON ……….. DANGER !

http://d-umn.campusreform.org/group/blog/university-sponsors-campaign-to-undermine-white-privilege

P.S. to josef:

Guess who’s next !

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Why is “Bush did it too” an acceptable defense by those who consider Bush to be the worst of the worst?…are you intentionally trying to marginalize Obama???

FWIW I’m not a fan of either

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If that is really true…

It’s true, sport.

“My intent was not to go after Rush – I have enormous respect for Rush Limbaugh,” Steele said in a telephone interview. “I was maybe a little bit inarticulate. … There was no attempt on my part to diminish his voice or his leadership.”

…then Steele has few stones and perhaps should let someone else head the RNC.

Steele is no longer Chairman of the Republican National Committee, Reince Priebus is.

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East Cobb RINO — “Someone else does lead the RNC. Rance Priebus (sp?).”

His name is Reince Priebus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reince_Priebus

For fun, remove all the vowels from his name, and you get

RNC PR BS

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“RNC PR BS”

too funny

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The operation, run by ATF’s Tucson office and the U.S. Attorney for Arizona, started in 2006 — when George W. Bush’s Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was running the show — and ran until the end of 2007. No charges were filed. Most of us didn’t know about this program until the papers showed up on this congressional hearing. Arizona, guns, Mexico, shot congresswomen what a great place to have a gun program like this run by the Republican Party and no wonder no one knew about it until five years later.

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they both suck,
come on, had “operations” had multiple differences. Every lie I’ve called out, has been a lie. Please keep you “ifs”, it would speak well of your character.

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getalife:

You miss the point.

The “Jews” will be next. They always get the “privilege” blame.

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ty

Let facts be your friend. Someone like yourself, might be a little uncomfortable with them at the start, but you will come around. Sort of like someone who hasn’t worked out in awhile. If they keep at it the soreness will subside.

Pay close attention to the DATES

“The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a series of “gunwalking” sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011.[2][5] This was done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States.[6] “Gunwalking” or “letting guns walk” was a tactic whereby the ATF knowingly allowed thousands of guns to be bought by suspected arms traffickers (”gunrunners”) working through straw purchasers on behalf of Mexican drug cartels.[7]“

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I ignore the blog for a week, then come back and find the cons are still telling the same old lies.

You go Obama, tell Issa to stick it so far up his @ss he’ll taste executive privilige for a month.

Issa has been looking under every rock to find anything he can call a scandal. Typical GOP governance.Twiddle your thumbs while America burns to the ground, then blame the other party.

And my lord, Romney can’t finish a sentence without telling a lie. But that’s no surprise. He’s a republican.

The media is scared of the GOP because they know they will be attacked, then fired. Just ask Dan Rather.

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Bush’s fault. Always is.

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ty: I’m trying to help you, buddy, but you must be willing to help yourself………… I can only lend you a hand.

“At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver in September 2009[26] and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011 (2011 -10-04)[update], nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms.[18] As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives.[23]

Another, smaller probe occurred in 2007 under the same ATF Phoenix field division. It began when the ATF identified Mexican suspects who bought weapons from a Phoenix gun shop over a span of several months. The probe ultimately involved over 200 guns, a dozen of which were lost in Mexico. On September 27, 2007, ATF agents saw the original suspects buying weapons at the same store and followed them toward the Mexican border. The ATF informed the Mexican government when the suspects successfully crossed the border, but Mexican law enforcement were unable to track them.[4][10]

Less than two weeks later, on October 6, William Newell, then ATF’s special agent in charge of the Phoenix field division, shut down the operation at the behest of William Hoover, ATF’s assistant director for the office of field operations.[27] No charges were filed. Newell, who was special agent in charge from June 2006 to May 2011, would later play a major role in Operation Fast and Furious.[4][24]”

Now what were you mentioning earlier? As you noted I have not exonerated not implicated President Obama nor Eric Holder, but I DID show the error of your ways on this issue

Good day

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Bottomline…someone’s son, father, grandson, friend, husband was killed as a result of the botched operation. The 2 of the highest offices in the land…President and Attorney General of the US…refuse to cooperate.

That is wrong. Period.

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Bottomline…someone’s son, father, grandson, friend, husband was killed as a result of the botched operation.

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

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What’s up with all the dems not going to the convention?

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Joseph:

It’s called I want to win my local election ………………………

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“Only difference was the number of guns.”

Not so.

One ended when internal management determined the program wasn’t achieving the desired results. This was probably preceded by agents raising the flag and calling BS.

The other ended after disclosure one of the guns used in a Border Patrol agent’s death was made public. The agents who attempted to raise the flag were ostracized. Supervisors received lateral promotions.

No, the difference is more than just the number of guns.

How long would have Fast & Furious continued had the information regarding the weapon involved in the Brian Terry incident had not been disclosed?

Holder should step down. Period.

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The dem convention in Charlotte is about as popular as a trip to the dentist… LOL…

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i admit it happens on both sides, but one thing that is true, the economy still sux and the leadership in office has done nothing..and arguments and new weekly headlines to deter from it…wont work…

Admitting that it happens on both sides to yourself is fine, as it helps you to understand that one side is not completely pure. However, pushing the message that both sides do it implies that they both do it equally, more or less, and that it therefore has no meaning that they do it at all AND/OR, that because both sides do it you should not vote for either side. That is what I find disturbing about the “both sides do it” muddying the waters, tu quoque, I’m-rubber-you’re-glue ways of putting it.

If you think both sides suck, and you loudly proclaim this, you have a goal in mind. If you think only one side sucks but you proclaim loudly that both sides suck, you have a goal in mind. In either case, that goal includes distraction from issues. If you acknowledge to yourself that both sides suck and you need to look at them more carefully, then that’s just fine. It’s the difference between persuasion of others and serious examination of the issues.

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“What’s up with all the dems not going to the convention?”

Kind of sad really, but not an uncommon practice especially during the nomination convention of a sitting President. Eight House Republicans including four from Pennsylvania sat out the 2004 convention for essentially the same so-called reasons that the current ones are stating.

Of course, the true reason in almost all cases is that I need to do everything I can to improve my chances for re-election.

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“Both operations had the same goal and did the same thing”

a related lie, first verse.

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“Another difference was that in one operation, the Mexican government notified when guns were crossing the border. In the other, Mexican authorities were never notified. Ever.”

hootinanny,
great point, though many here refuse to hear it.

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From the wiki:

“In October 2011, documents were released that indicated Holder was sent memos in regards to Operation Fast and Furious in 2010, contradicting Holder’s sworn testimony before the House Judiciary Committee in which he said he was unaware of Operation Fast and Furious until April 2011. In response, Lamar Smith, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, sent a letter to President Obama, requesting the appointment of an independent special counsel to investigate whether Holder committed perjury by lying to the committee while under oath.”

Holder kind of ratcheted things up quite a bit by contradicting himself about something no one can understand why he would have out of plain ignorance or forgetfulness. That is the proverbial “smoke” in this matter.

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Here is a prime example of how pathetic dems are and the real issue at hand with the contempt of Holder!

http://youtu.be/Gbcsw5TPyas

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H. Yum Yum — “Another difference was that in one operation, the Mexican government notified when guns were crossing the border. In the other, Mexican authorities were never notified. Ever.”

Let me ask you a question.

If the positions were reversed, and the Mexican government had run both operations, would it really matter to you if they had notified the US about criminals hauling unregistered firearms across the border or not? In other words, wouldn’t you be upset *regardless* of whether Mexico had notified us or not?

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Fly-On-The-Wall

June 21st, 2012
10:18 am
The real truth doesn’t matter to Democrates or Republicans these days. They only want to see their version of the truth and be damned to everyone/everything else.

It is a Presidental election year so all of the crazies come out of the wood work. The problem is that they are all crazy so there isn’t a leader or statesman to help control the nuts in the parties as in the past.

Fixed it for you

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ty’s melting down

Too funny!

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mm

“Issa has been looking under every rock to find anything he can call a scandal. Typical GOP governance”

Kinda reminds one of Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald and the Plame investigation, eh? If Congress really wanted to play “Go Fish” they should press for appointment of a Special Prosecutor. Spend $30 million or so, drag it out for a couple of years. But that’s only if you know the answer going in, so it would take longer and cost more.

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Adam your projections are….well, YOUR projections

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The gop refused to get the man in charge and agents responsible to testify under oath.in a hearing.

It is pay back because the dems did it.

Politics.

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“ty’s melting down’

that’s nothing new.

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It would have mattered to me if I’d been notified. First, I could have said,: No. We don’t want you to allow these weapons to walk. And, second. Notification implies some form of cooperation, communication. At least it would have allowed the US the opportunity to interdict the weapon shipments.

Spin it any way you want. The Justice Department stepped on itself and Holder should bow out.

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Poor poor Obama….

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

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Kam

You see it as well