A lot of baloney flying fast and furious
As previously noted, the “Fast and Furious” program run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the U.S. attorney in Arizona was a badly conceived operation made worse by incompetent leadership. It began as an effort to track the illegal flow of guns from U.S. gun shops across the border to Mexican drug cartels, with the hope of using the information to break up those cartels, and in the end it may have contributed to scores of deaths, including the death of a U.S. Border Patrol officer.
Nobody — with the exception of some who were directly involved — disputes that it was a bad idea gone wrong. And as a result, most of those in the ATF and the U.S. attorney’s office in Arizona who planned and led the effort have been fired or reassigned.
So what’s the controversy in Washington all about? Republicans have two working theories about Fast and Furious, and through the House Government Oversight Committee are attempting to find evidence to support those pet theories. But so far, despite having subpoenaed a veritable haystack of documents from the Justice Department, they have been unable to find the needle that they seek.
The response to that failure has been to demand still more haystacks to search. Committee Chairman Darrell Issa insists that the Justice Department release thousands of additional documents that go right to the core of ongoing criminal investigations in the case, even though as a matter of law and practice such documents are considered exempt from congressional subpoena.
Attorney General Eric Holder, backed by President Obama, has refused to release those documents, which is why he is now in danger of joining a long list of officials in both parties to have been held in contempt of Congress over the years.
Issa and his colleagues believe that somewhere, documents exist that will show that Holder and others at high levels in the Obama administration helped to plan and execute Fast and Furious, although again, there’s no evidence that is true. But what really drives the investigation is a deeply held conviction among many conservatives that instead of being an effort to track guns back to the drug cartels and then arrest cartel leadership, Fast and Furious was a government plot intended to make guns look bad and to build public support for undercutting the Second Amendment.
Here’s how Rush Limbaugh explained it to the faithful yesterday:
“Now, we all know what the purpose of this was. The purpose of this was to gin up anti-Amendment 2 sentiment among the people of this country. The objective was — and this is where the irony steps in — the objective was to have news stories where everybody was shocked and stunned and saddened, guns purchased by drug cartel members in America. Look how easy it was, end up in Mexico, owned by violent drug gangs, and used in the commission of heinous crimes. Why, our gun laws are too lax. The sentiment in this country among the people is to maintain the Second Amendment. The America people don’t want, by a vast majority, any gun control legislation. But that doesn’t matter to people like President Kardashian or Eric Holder or any of the Democrat Party or the left.
They don’t want you to have guns, and so it doesn’t matter about the Constitution and it doesn’t matter about the will of the American people. If they don’t want you to have guns they’re gonna try to find a way to make sure that you don’t. And that’s what Fast and Furious was, as simply put as I can make it.”
The theory has no more basis in fact than do claims that Obama is a Kenyan plant or that he intends to confiscate all firearms in private hands. It also ignores the reality that the Bush administration had run similar if smaller scale operations, and that Fast and Furious — botched though it was — was simply an extension of those previous programs.
Unfortunately, these days a story with a basis in fact is much less valuable than a bogus story line that gets people stirred up and angry, certain that their country is being stolen from them as they watch.
– Jay Bookman
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Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
2:21 pm
Adam your projections are….well, YOUR projections
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
2:23 pm
“hootinanny,
great point, though many here refuse to hear it.”
And that is supposed to mean guns were not sold and tracked starting in 06?
getalife
June 21st, 2012
2:24 pm
The gop refused to get the man in charge and agents responsible to testify under oath.in a hearing.
It is pay back because the dems did it.
Politics.
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
2:24 pm
Kam
You see it as well
ty webb
June 21st, 2012
2:24 pm
“ty’s melting down’
that’s nothing new.
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
2:25 pm
TBS – “And that is supposed to mean guns were not sold and tracked starting in 06?”
and that’s supposed to mean that it’s alright?
Hootinanny Yum Yum
June 21st, 2012
2:25 pm
It would have mattered to me if I’d been notified. First, I could have said,: No. We don’t want you to allow these weapons to walk. And, second. Notification implies some form of cooperation, communication. At least it would have allowed the US the opportunity to interdict the weapon shipments.
Spin it any way you want. The Justice Department stepped on itself and Holder should bow out.
Adam
June 21st, 2012
2:26 pm
18,000 jobs by 2030, potentially? That’s your plan?
American Jobs Act (in full, not in part): Direct creation of 1 million jobs (lowest estimate) within 2 years.
Which would you pick, given just those?
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
2:26 pm
Poor poor Obama….
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 21st, 2012
2:27 pm
WHAT DID HE KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 21st, 2012
2:27 pm
Kam
You see it as well
Yep, I’m reminded of Billy Shakespeare’s quote, “The lady doth protest to much, methinks.”
Adam
June 21st, 2012
2:28 pm
Sorry, 10 years, not 2.
18 years for 18000 jobs = 1,000 per year
10 years for 1 million jobs = 100,000 per year
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
2:28 pm
Erwin’s cat @ 2:25
Did I say it was alright? I don’t think so, but nice try
I did say that I haven’t exonerated or implicated Obama or Holder. Guess you missed that part
But do carry on
Steve Atl
June 21st, 2012
2:28 pm
The pride and joy of the Democatric Party…Nancy Pelosi…is turning the Spin Machine up to 11.
What a joke.
ty webb
June 21st, 2012
2:28 pm
they both suck,
I used to think you were somewhat reasonable. saying that “fast and furious” was started, began, contrived, or instituted by Bush is a lie. Pure and simple. You should’ve just stopped when you first conceded that.
Hootinanny Yum Yum
June 21st, 2012
2:28 pm
TBS, if you’d read my earlier posts, you’d know that I was the first one on this sheet to specify that Bush had similar program in 2006. It was just managed effectively. F&F wasn’t.
getalife
June 21st, 2012
2:29 pm
What did she say steve.?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 21st, 2012
2:30 pm
Anda one, anda two ………………
6) To the American people: “Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this Presidency.”
5) To Larry King: “There has been a tendency by this administration to hide behind executive privilege.”
4) Speech to an Hispanic group: “With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case ………. ”
3) To the American people: “The private sector is doing just fine.”
2) Please pass to Vladimir: “After the election I’ll have more flexibility.”
1) To the American electorate: “If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”
BINGO !!
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
2:31 pm
Liberals all claim to be for the regular folks but most knowledgeable people know better… Former Jesse Jackson hooker says BP Agent Terry was just a guy that died a year ago… Sad really sad..
http://nation.foxnews.com/michelle-malkin/2012/06/21/michelle-malkin-fire-hannity
Joe Hussein Mama
June 21st, 2012
2:31 pm
H. Yum Yum — “It would have mattered to me if I’d been notified. First, I could have said,: No. We don’t want you to allow these weapons to walk.”
You presume that we could have stopped it. Was the Mexican government afforded that degree of control over one of *our* law enforcement operations?
“And, second. Notification implies some form of cooperation, communication. At least it would have allowed the US the opportunity to interdict the weapon shipments.”
Implies, but does not demonstrate. Again, was the Mexican government afforded that degree of control over one of *our* law enforcement operations?
“Spin it any way you want.”
I’m not spinning, but you certainly are. I’m asking you some really simple questions. A particularly key one is this — “was the Mexican government afforded that degree of control over one of *our* law enforcement operations?”
“The Justice Department stepped on itself and Holder should bow out.”
So you say.
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
2:32 pm
387,000 new sign up’s for unemployment benefits… Yep the private sector is doing just fine….
Erwin's cat
June 21st, 2012
2:32 pm
TBS – “Did I say it was alright? I don’t think so, but nice try”
you did notice I used your comment as boiler plate..didn’t ya?
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
2:33 pm
Hootinany
That may or may not be the case. Time will tell.
Project Gunrunner had numerous operations under it’s umbrella. You nor I know what the “sign offs” were and who was doing the approval for each each operation once the project was implemented or was it an overall approval at the Project level.
If you no different, fill us in
weetamoe
June 21st, 2012
2:33 pm
Irrefutable evidence that Holder lied big time twice. The latest was his mendacious claim that Bush’s AG Michael Mukasey know all about Fand F and condoned it. He retracted that claim after letting it seep into the collective soup for months. I think there will be general agreement a few years hence that this administration’s justice dept was corrupt, but as for for now I think Holder/Obama are in a pretty weak position. The claim that an ATF agent leaked the initial story seems plausible. Oh and you don’t have to cite Limbaugh. Enough news sources have been covering the tragedy of the border patrol murders and slaughter of innocent Mexicans that your attempt to diminish its importance by citing Limbaugh is no more effective than Sheila Jackson Lee calling Issa a racist.
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
2:33 pm
Erwin
No problem
JV
June 21st, 2012
2:34 pm
It’s important to note the difference in Operation Wide Receiver that the Bush administration oversaw to Fast and Furious. Operation Wide Receiver, used the common tactic of “controlled delivery,” whereby agents would allow an illegal transaction to take place, closely follow the movements of the arms, and then descend on the culprits. But Fast and Furious is different because it was “uncontrolled delivery,” whereby the criminals were essentially allowed to drop off the map. Perhaps more importantly, Wide Receiver was conducted with the cooperation of the Mexican government. Fast and Furious was not.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 21st, 2012
2:34 pm
Michelle Malkin.
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
2:35 pm
“It was just managed effectively. F&F wasn’t.”
Were the DC bureaucrats managing the program or the same people and titles as the other operations?
I do not have that answer
Midori
June 21st, 2012
2:35 pm
Hi Kammy
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 21st, 2012
2:37 pm
Hiya Midori!
And a belated expression of my condolences on your loss. Sending you positive vibes and hugs.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
2:38 pm
Okay…I have been reading up further on this matter. From the wiki:
“At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver in September 2009[26] and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. ”
So…the DOJ under the Obama administration prosecuted gunwalking.
Then the DOJ under the Obama administration conceived the FaF operation:
“On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. to discuss U.S. strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels. Participating in the meeting were Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, ATF Director Kenneth E. Melson, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michele Leonhart, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation Robert Mueller and the top federal prosecutors in the Southwestern border states. They decided on a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers. Those at the meeting did not suggest using the “gunwalking” tactic, but ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals.”
When it became apparent to some ATF agents that gunwalking was occurring, they complained to their superiors. After the death of Terry, they went to the the ATF and DOJ:
“After hearing of the incident, Agent Dodson reached out to ATF headquarters, ATF’s chief counsel, the ATF ethics section and the Justice Department’s Office of the Inspector General, none of whom immediately responded. He and other agents then contacted Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa (R–IA), ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who would become a major figure in the investigation of “gunwalking.” At the same time, information began leaking to various bloggers and Web sites.”
Since it was the DOJ that already prosecuted gunwalking in the Wide Receiver operation, one would think they would be very interested to hear it was happening again. But apparently they were not. And therein begins the mystery, I suppose…
Don't Tread
June 21st, 2012
2:38 pm
“Nobody — with the exception of some who were directly involved — disputes that it was a bad idea gone wrong.”
The key words here are “with the exception of some of those directly involved“, who were apparently the only ones who knew better. And of course, nobody listened to them, and tried to intimidate them into not blowing the whistle, then tried to get them fired for blowing the whistle after Agent Terry’s murder.
Then we have Eric Holder’s withholding of most of the documents requested, and redacting the ones he did turn over so heavily as to make them useless.
Then we have 0bama invoking “executive privilege” to cover Holder’s a$$ (and more than likely, his own).
There’s an awful lot of cover-up (top to bottom) going on for something that’s “a lot of baloney”. Apparently covering it up is much less risky than the truth being discovered. This is much more than a “bad idea gone wrong”.
Democrats represent the epitome of corruption. This administration is the 2nd worst administration ever elected in a democratic republic in the history of this planet. (And no, the first is not Nixon, Reagan, or W, by a long shot.) It’s past time to take out the trash…it really stinks.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
June 21st, 2012
2:39 pm
The House passes another jobs bill to create jobs that will probably be shut down by the senate. It seems dems want Americans to continue to struggle and depend on gubmint.
If the oil from the spills off of the Virginia coast is thick enough, can I drive my truck across it without needing a boat?
Paul
June 21st, 2012
2:42 pm
And in Scout’s world view of how to read (2:30), the Bible okays smoking because it very clearly says Ruth saw Isaac and lit off a camel.
And G-d has a really, really sore hand because when Stephen was being stoned he looked up into the heavens and saw Jesus standing on the right hand of God.
It’s right there. Standalone sentences. That’s the context. Can’t bring in anything else ’cause that’s what it says.
After all, that’s how higher-order thinkers do things.
Senior Citizen Kane
June 21st, 2012
2:42 pm
Dow falls 200 points as investors worry about a drop in manufacturing
X!@#%^& Bush.
getalife
June 21st, 2012
2:42 pm
The economy is bad and they say a “economic storm” is coming.
States are laying off people at the wrong time.
Thanks gop.
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
2:42 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes:
Just reading her name makes you libs blow up like the Puffer Fish Mr. Sykes in Shark Tale… LOL…
Paul
June 21st, 2012
2:43 pm
Hi MIdori!!!!!
That Black Guy
June 21st, 2012
2:43 pm
Adam
June 21st, 2012
11:59 am
Most of the argument here boils down to “When a Republican is in power, I want him to have all the power. When it’s a Democrat, he needs checks and balances, but the part of the government run by Republicans at the same time does not need any such check and balance.”
________________________________________________________________________
My arguement is that BOTH sides need to cut the crap.
Both sides cheering for political jackazzery is disgusting.
Republicans did NOT cause ALL the problems we face and they do NOT have all the answers to fix them.
Democrats did NOT cause ALL the problems we face and they do NOT have all the answers to fix them.
BOTH share the blame and BOTH will be needed to fix the problems.
At some point we are going to have to put COUNTRY above party and make gov’t officials account for their actions. REGARDLESS of what party they stand for.
Adam, only the 1st line is in response to your post.
The rest is just a “getting sick of this crap” rant.
GT
June 21st, 2012
2:43 pm
Bush was chasing his tail as usual with the drug war, trying to be clever which is not his color and trapping the drug dealers buying guns. Now probably a huge number of guns had come from the US into Mexico outside our generosity, but the larger issue never occurred to Bush, it was always getting the drug dealer and getting the monkey off his back he was losing this drug war.
O was and still isn’t sure the Mexican government is not in joint venture with these drug lords. Kind of like the Pakistanis we thought we were allies with and found out to be in bed with our enemies. The reason Bush had such small success if any was because he informed these people he was coming. O wants to know what the real truth of the border is, not some made up stuff to appeal to the right. Mexico, after the assassination attempt of the Washington ambassador is considered the direction our enemies will come I think we all agree Canada is safe and can be trusted. Better to have a few drug dealers have guns they could get anyway than give our game plan to terrorist.
Peadawg
June 21st, 2012
2:45 pm
“The economy is bad” – And Obama says the private sector is doing fine.
Idiot.
stands for decibels
June 21st, 2012
2:46 pm
For fun, remove all the vowels from his name, and you get
RNC PR BS
oh, man… and I thought Obama got a bad deal with *his* name!
stands for decibels
June 21st, 2012
2:46 pm
Hi Midori!
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
2:46 pm
Mitt Romney went to High School… Obama got high in school…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 21st, 2012
2:46 pm
Just reading her name makes you libs blow up like the Puffer Fish Mr. Sykes in Shark Tale… LOL…
In a polite society, a gentleman acknowledges when a lady has first offered a greeting.
Not that I would ever accuse you of knowing how a true gentleman acts.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
2:47 pm
“I am glad you recognize that. But what is it going to take for that to permeate and for people to stop listening to his program, and ones like it, and return to civility and reasoned arguments on the issues?”
Rush will thrive just as long as the Enquirer or Bill Maher or Howard Stern does – they appeal to people’s baser instincts and not their common sense and intellect. As long as free speech is allowed, there is no getting rid of them – people love (as Henley says) “dirty laundry”. But not all talk show hosts are the same and somehow I get the feeling you think they are. Bill Bennett, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt are not like Rush in the demeanor or approach. They are biased to be sure – but so is Jay. That is no crime. They at lease make an honest effort to support their positions with reason and evidence and often allow those with opposing views to freely have their say.
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
2:47 pm
I can only imagine the foam gathered on the keyboards of hundreds of far left fruits today….
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
2:49 pm
“At some point we are going to have to put COUNTRY above party and make gov’t officials account for their actions. REGARDLESS of what party they stand for.”
I agree, but it will require conviction and integrity and courage. I hope it happens,
Matti
June 21st, 2012
2:50 pm
Clearly, this was and is the wrong approach to take toward minimizing the power and influence of Mexican drug cartels.
JamVet
June 21st, 2012
2:50 pm
Undoubtedly many of those newly unemployed are faux conservatives in struggling dead red states like Georgia.
Perhaps Mssrs. Romney, Trump and the rest of the boys in the cons beloved 1% club will offer them jobs. LOL! And while they’re at it, perhaps they’ll pick up the tab for the hundreds of thousands of other long term unemployed neocons who are no longer eligible for unemployment insurance.
Karma, baby. It’s a real beeotch.
Occupy that…
Big Brother
June 21st, 2012
2:51 pm
Yea, it’s baloney all right. Something the liberals can be proud of as their party was in control of the House, the Senate and the White House. Excerpt from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 signed into law on February 17, 2009:
House Resolution 495, the Southwest Border Violence Reduction Act
SEC. 2. PROJECT GUNRUNNER.
(a) In General- The Attorney General shall dedicate and expand the resources provided for the Project Gunrunner initiative of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to identify, investigate, and prosecute individuals involved in the trafficking of firearms across the international border between the United States and Mexico.
(b) Activities- In carrying out this section, the Attorney General shall–
(1) assign additional agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to the area of the United States adjacent to the international border between the United States and Mexico to support the expansion of Project Gunrunner teams;
(2) establish not fewer than 1 Project Gunrunner team in each State along the international border between the United States and Mexico; and
(3) coordinate with the heads of other relevant Federal law enforcement agencies and State and local law enforcement agencies to address firearms trafficking in a comprehensive manner.
(c) Additional Staff- The Attorney General may hire Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives agents for, and otherwise expend additional resources needed to adequately support, Project Gunrunner.
(d) Authorization of Appropriations- There are authorized to be appropriated $15,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2010 and 2011 to carry out this section.
getalife
June 21st, 2012
2:51 pm
Pea,
Record profits and donations is doing better than ever.
Idiot.
From the Center
June 21st, 2012
2:53 pm
That Black Guy
June 21st, 2012
2:43 pm
Great post, I agree with you
Rush: Obama created crimes with gunrunning – ‘It was liberalism .. It’s who these people are’ « CITIZEN.BLOGGER.1984+ GUNNY.G BLOG.EMAIL
June 21st, 2012
2:53 pm
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Peadawg
June 21st, 2012
2:55 pm
getalife
8%+ unemployment
Idiot
214 more days
June 21st, 2012
2:56 pm
Under Operation Wide Receiver was under the Bush Administration, Fast & Furious waS under the O’Bama administration. The difference between the two;
Bush administration: Told the Mexican Government about it & their weapons had tracking devises on them
O’Bama administration: Did not tell the Mexican Government about it & did not have tracking devises in them.
I personally don’t like either project, but I especially don’t like people lying about it, especially when a government agent was killed by one of the guns………….supplied by the O’Bama administration
I suppose that you libs approved of the Bush Administration when they asked for “Executive Order” for Mr. Rove……………….right……………sure you did……………….didn’t you?
Jay must have gone to the DNC Brainwashing School on his time out. To deny this is not right, is proof enough…………..Seems as though he passed with flying colors………but then again, it has to be an easy job
Paul
June 21st, 2012
2:56 pm
Send Congressman Issa a picture of himself for his office reception wall!!!
http://tinyurl.com/7t8xsqs
Mitt Romney - Serial Flip Flopper!
June 21st, 2012
2:56 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI9yjhd8b84&feature=related
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 21st, 2012
2:56 pm
Paul:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM&feature=related
getalife
June 21st, 2012
2:58 pm
Pea,
Job growth is slowing to a crawl.
States need to stop the layoffs.
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
2:59 pm
JamVet:
You made as bout as much sense as Obama did with that horrible speech at the G20….
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
2:59 pm
“Clearly, this was and is the wrong approach to take toward minimizing the power and influence of Mexican drug cartels.”
I couldn’t agree more, Matti. How about a joint Mexican-American special operations campaign?
Here we go!
June 21st, 2012
3:01 pm
“Liberals all claim to be for the regular folks but most knowledgeable people know better… Former Jesse Jackson hooker says BP Agent Terry was just a guy that died a year ago… Sad really sad..”
That really is sad, I agree. Disgusting that the loss of one life had to happen to stop a program that was not managed properly or ill thought of.
But what about the 4,400 who have died in Iraq and Afghaistan? F&F was done as an extension of what Bush did. Kind of like that war thing he did, good idea at the time with all the WMD’s, but it didn’t quite turn out that way now did it? Should we ask for his head?
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
3:01 pm
getalife:
What states are laying off?
Here we go!
June 21st, 2012
3:01 pm
“Liberals all claim to be for the regular folks but most knowledgeable people know better… Former Jesse Jackson hooker says BP Agent Terry was just a guy that died a year ago… Sad really sad..”
That really is sad, I agree. Disgusting that the loss of one life had to happen to stop a program that was not managed properly or ill thought of.
But what about the 4,400 who have died in Iraq and Afghaistan? F&F was done as an extension of what Bush did. Kind of like that war thing he did, good idea at the time with all the WMD’s, but it didn’t quite turn out that way now did it? Should we ask for his head?
Dekalb comments
June 21st, 2012
3:02 pm
Towncrier @ 2:16
You actually use Wiki as a reliable source of information? It can be useful for run of the mill information such as on what date was President Washington born. But I do not rely on wiki beyond that.
Oftentimes I have been able to trace wiki content back to a posting on a blog or an op-ed masquerading as investigative journalism. I look to a number of news sources, online, radio, print, etc. on a subject before I draw any conclusions. But wiki is not trustworthy for anything other than facts that are clear and undisputed.
Boris Badnoff
June 21st, 2012
3:02 pm
Vintage Bookman. No thanks for the hacksaw blade we slipped into the arugula quiche sub. Claims to totally eschew El Rushbo but quotes him verbatim when it suits his purpose. Clairvoyance like that would turn Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, and/or The Amazing Criswell green with envy. Welcome back.
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
3:03 pm
Here we go!:
The name certainly fits.. Blame blame blame.. It is truly sad that grown people can’t admit to failure…
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 21st, 2012
3:05 pm
Joseph get a load of this
The chairman of the dnc nomination convention had a fundraiser…..
For Romney
btull27
June 21st, 2012
3:05 pm
What is wrong with you people? Every day you argue the same idiotic points for 2 idiotic parties. They both stink, they both lie and they both scheme for power at the expense of our country. Why don’t you see that? Why do you constantly defend these idiots like “your” party is somehow better than the other? You blame Bush! You blame Obama! And now, even Rush is to blame.
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
3:06 pm
“But what about the 4,400 who have died in Iraq and Afghaistan? F&F was done as an extension of what Bush did. Kind of like that war thing he did, good idea at the time with all the WMD’s, but it didn’t quite turn out that way now did it? Should we ask for his head?”
Actually, I have never liked the immunity to prosecution those in the government enjoy while exercising their duties in “good faith” – because it sometimes is a shield for wrongdoing. Great harm has been done throughout our history because those in power didn’t have to pay consequences for their actions.
Paul
June 21st, 2012
3:06 pm
Scout
Perfect for your posts. Thanks!
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 21st, 2012
3:06 pm
Paul
June 21st, 2012
2:56 pm
Southern Poverty Law Center re-launches anti-immigration law hotline
June 21st, 2012
3:07 pm
MONTGOMERY, Alabama — The Southern Poverty Law Center re-launched a hotline today for people to report problems they have experienced as a result of Alabama’s immigration law.
The hotline has been operating since September, when parts of the original immigration law went into effect. But the SPLC said in a statement that recent changes to the law spurred it to remind people they can call the hotline at 800-982-1620 either to report problems or get information about changes lawmakers made to the law in the recent legislative session.
“State lawmakers have callously refused to address the humanitarian crisis created by Alabama’s anti-immigrant law,” Mary Bauer, legal director for the SPLC said in the statement. “As we continue our fight against this unconstitutional law, we want to know first-hand the suffering it is inflicting on people across the state.”
One of the changes recently made to the law is a requirement for the Department of Homeland Security to post a quarterly report of suspected undocumented immigrants who have appeared in court for any reason and the outcome of their cases.
“This latest change in the law is nothing more than an attempt to bully and intimidate people, and serves only to encourage vigilantism,” Bauer said in today’s statement.
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/06/southern_poverty_law_center_re.html
They BOTH suck
June 21st, 2012
3:09 pm
Jm @ 3:05
I know you are giddy like a school girl, if not you wouldn’t have posted the same thing 18 times or whatever.
Smart man like you knows that means exactly $HIT in terms of the election
but do carry on
Towncrier
June 21st, 2012
3:10 pm
“You actually use Wiki as a reliable source of information?”
It’s entire reputation and viability relies on its relative accuracy – that is just common sense. Any clear or consistent departure from matters of fact would be caught and exposed on sites like Drudge and it would cease to exist. It simply has to try very hard to be correct if it wants to survive. Of course, I don’t use it as a sole source of information but the material I used here today seems factual enough.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 21st, 2012
3:12 pm
Jm @ 3:05
I know you are giddy like a school girl…
An insult to every schoolgirl on the planet.
Just sayin’.
Big Brother
June 21st, 2012
3:12 pm
Washington Post reporter Jason Horowitz: During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.
“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”
Pat
June 21st, 2012
3:12 pm
Yes there were similar operations by previous administrations, however they were much smaller and were conducted with the knowledge and cooperation of the Mexican government. F&F was much larger and was done without the knowledge or cooperation of the Mexican government.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 21st, 2012
3:13 pm
As far as Vin Diesel movies go, I think “The Pacifier” was much better.
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
3:13 pm
This is an easy chart for all you libs to follow that totally debunks the tripe Oblama and his minions are spewing that his jobs bill will put firefighters, teachers, and police back to work… From a gubmint website by the way.. Gubmint unemplyment is only 4.2%.. Sounds pretty good to me.. This is yet another attempt to pay off unions to fund his campaign.. LOL…
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t14.htm
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 21st, 2012
3:15 pm
“As far as Vin Diesel movies go, I think “The Pacifier” was much better.”
Better known as “The Binky”…get it? Pacifier…Binky…get it?
Dekalb comments
June 21st, 2012
3:17 pm
Towncrier @ 3:10
We don’t share the same opinion about wiki. I don’t know that a site like Drudge questioning wiki content does much to raise my confidence in it.
It is what it is, posting of largely unsusbstantiated and unverified information. I’m not saying everything on there is inaccurate, I just don’t use it or quote it as a primary source of information.
Alabama's revised immigration law sets a bad example
June 21st, 2012
3:17 pm
The changes came during a special session in which Gov. Robert J. Bentley had sought to soften the law by removing some of its worst provisions, several of which have led to federal lawsuits. The Justice Department has already sued the state, as it has Arizona, arguing that the law interferes with the federal government’s sole authority to regulate immigration. But state Sen. Scott Beason and state Rep. Micky Hammon chose to ignore the more moderate voices, including law enforcement groups and farmers, who rightfully worry that the law is harming, not helping, the state. Those fears are well-founded. Since the law was passed, growers have reported labor shortages that have led to rotting crops and financial losses.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765579202/Alabamas-revised-immigration-law-sets-a-bad-example.html?pg=all
Jay
June 21st, 2012
3:18 pm
Thanks for linking to that table, Joseph. As it demonstrates, government employment fell by 63,000 from May 2011 to May 2012, a time frame in which overall employment jumped by 1.1 million.
Also, sheets.
Having problems registering to vote?
June 21st, 2012
3:19 pm
Call 1.866.myvote1
massachusetts refugee
June 21st, 2012
3:19 pm
here’s some real baloney, courtesy of the liar-in-chief’s campaign
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/4-pinocchios-for-obamas-newest-anti-romney-ad/2012/06/20/gJQAGux6qV_blog.html?wprss=rss_fact-checker
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 21st, 2012
3:20 pm
Also, sheets.
Done the refresh thingie three times and I don’t see ‘em.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 21st, 2012
3:22 pm
Dekalb comments — “It is what it is, posting of largely unsusbstantiated and unverified information. I’m not saying everything on there is inaccurate, I just don’t use it or quote it as a primary source of information.”
That’s because it’s a secondary source. The primary sources on which each article is based are generally noted and linked within the wiki entries themselves.
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
3:22 pm
Jay:
But Oblama says he wants to hire more gubmint workers… Many of those retired as to reason the numbers fell… Is that not the same reason you leftys use as to why the overall workforce is smaller??? LOL…
Paul
June 21st, 2012
3:23 pm
Kam
Sometimes I’ve had to close and reopen the browser for the fresh sheets to appear.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 21st, 2012
3:23 pm
So this is what we have become? A guy like Eric Holder, who has devoted his career to serving the judicial interests of the United States under Republican and Democratic Presidents, is now being harassed and badgered into judicial hell by a Republican arsonist car thief con man whose only claim to authority is that he managed to get rich preying on people’s fear of getting their car stolen. Shame on what’s left of the Republican pahhty for letting this happen. Your blind deranged hate of the brown president will be the end of you, which is a good thing. Never mind, carry on.
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
3:25 pm
Jay:
Again Jay I ask.. Is a 4.2% unemplyment rate something we should be worried about. Especially when most informed people realize that we have way to many gubmint workers… Thats not to mention the tirllions of wastfull spending that comes along with hiring irrelevant jobs… Last I checked my city had a full fire dept as well as a full police dept…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 21st, 2012
3:26 pm
Ah, there they are. Immigration sheets.
Mighty Righty
June 21st, 2012
3:27 pm
“As previously noted, the “Fast and Furious” program run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the U.S. attorney in Arizona was a badly conceived operation made worse by incompetent leadership. It began as an effort to track the illegal flow of guns from U.S. gun shops across the border to Mexican drug cartels, with the hope of using the information to break up those cartels, and in the end it may have contributed to scores of deaths, including the death of a U.S. Border Patrol officer”
Can someone explain to me, maybe Jay can since it is his quote above, exactly how the guns were to be tracked in Mexico? The agents involved were prohibited by their superiors from going into Mexico. The Mexican government didn’t know anything about the operation. I would appear the goal was never to track the guns. It looks like the goal was to get the guns into Mexico.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 21st, 2012
3:29 pm
Paul:
Perfect for “you” !
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
3:31 pm
Even the press laughs at Obama mouth piece Carney… LOL…
http://nation.foxnews.com/fast-and-furious/2012/06/21/white-house-spokesman-claims-obama-standing-principle
JamVet
June 21st, 2012
3:31 pm
Joseph, children are meant to be seen, not heard!
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
3:38 pm
JamVet:
Is that you Mr. President????
Joseph
June 21st, 2012
3:44 pm
Obama is so weak that nobody gives a damn what he says http://t.co/cf7lY4d1