Bill Kristol offers solution: Yep, you guessed it
War.
Whatever the problem, the ever-eager Bill Kristol believes that other people dying can solve it. The ardent cheerleader of our invasion of Iraq, where more than 4,400 U.S. soldiers died for a cause yet to reveal itself, now champions that same “solution” for Iran, a much more difficult problem. And in a piece in the Weekly Standard, complete with requisite Churchill quote, he and co-author Jamie Fly argue that if President Obama doesn’t do it, Congress should intervene:
Bill Kristol
“President Obama says a nuclear Iran is unacceptable. The real and credible threat of force is probably the last hope of persuading the Iranian regime to back down. So: Isn’t it time for the president to ask Congress for an Authorization for Use of Military Force against Iran’s nuclear program?
Instead of running away from it, administration officials could be putting the military option front and center and ensuring it is seen as viable. And if the administration flinches, Congress could consider passing such an authorization anyway. While any commander in chief has the constitutional authority to take urgent action to protect Americans and their interests, such legislation would give weight to the president’s commitment to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. It would strengthen the president’s hand. It would show Tehran that America’s policy of preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon is a credible one. Bipartisan support for such an authorization would remove the issue as much as possible from the turmoil of election year politics. And the authorization could also make clear that the United States would come to Israel’s aid in the event that it decides it needs to take action….
We don’t expect the Obama administration to request an Authorization for Use of Military Force. But Congress can act without such a request. By doing so, it would serve the nation’s interest, and, indeed, the administration’s, if the administration means what it says.
Surely it is time for a concentration of congressional opinion and force capable of lifting our efforts to the level of emergency. The Obama administration may be committed to leading from behind, but Congress can choose to lead from the front.
– Jay Bookman
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Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
6:15 pm
Kam,
Okay, If I told a lie on here it was not intentional. Like Obama saying the private sector is fine. That wasn’t intentional or was it.
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 17th, 2012
6:15 pm
Obama is anti- America
carlosgvv
June 17th, 2012
6:16 pm
Doom – 5:52
That is not the point, and you know it.
If we really are the richest nation on Earth, as Bookman so often reminds us, we should certainly have a national healthcare system that covers everyone.
We don’t, because the healthcare system is afraid they might lose some of the huge profits they have been enjoying for years now off the backs of the American people.
Republican politicians, totally bought and paid for by Big Business, will block any attempt for us to have a national healthcare system so they can continue to get their campaign funding from their corporate masters.
That thousands will die each year because of this does not bother The Helthcare System, Big Business or the Republicans.
Only those with a sociopathic mentality could be involved in this.
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 17th, 2012
6:17 pm
Obama is hurting our allies
Obama is hurting America with more debt and not fixing the deficit
Obama is anti-America
He is pro American decline
Thulsa Doom
June 17th, 2012
6:17 pm
Jm,
Yep. Credit card debt nation. I guess we deserve the govt we got given our own financial shortcomings. I’m just thankful I don’t live with CC debt. I can’t understand why others do unless it was for something like a medical emergency. But most CC debt is just folks living outside of their means.
josef
June 17th, 2012
6:17 pm
THULSA
Mine is a relatively short black list and is more a cultural thing than a political one…
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 17th, 2012
6:20 pm
Doom
Yawp
Debt is bad
Obama is bad
getalife
June 17th, 2012
6:20 pm
When willard loses, we will be fine for another four years.
If he wins, plan on a total collapse.
Expecting a different result is insane.
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 17th, 2012
6:22 pm
Getalife
Does your brain solely run off of DNC talking point memo’s?
getalife
June 17th, 2012
6:23 pm
orange,
Making record profits and donations is not doing fine?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 17th, 2012
6:23 pm
Okay, If I told a lie on here it was not intentional.
Oh puh-leeze.
You created a strawman by saying people here were singing his praise, then started to tear that strawman down by asking stupid-assed questions about having him babysit, be alone with a wallet in the room and dating my daughter.
Your intentions were painfully obvious.
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
6:24 pm
“Making record profits and donations is not doing fine”
Pls expand.
getalife
June 17th, 2012
6:24 pm
jm,
When I see your post, I know it is a lie.
Why are you scared of the truth?
getalife
June 17th, 2012
6:25 pm
orange,
They are doing better than ever.
Fact.
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
6:29 pm
“Your intentions were painfully obvious”
Well spit it Kam. What are my intentions? Tell your lie.
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
6:30 pm
Get.
Are you talking about small business? How are the kidneys?
Thulsa Doom
June 17th, 2012
6:31 pm
carlosgvv,
First of all anyone who needs healthcare gets treated at the ER room at taxpayer expense. That is the law.
Secondly lets say that the Harvard study is correct and that 45k a people per year die here because they lack health insurance. Now lets compare that with single payer systems in Europe. The fact of the matter is that cancer survival rates are significantly higher in the U.S. than in say Canada or Britain. And its not a debatable point either. The reason is because of earlier detection and earlier treatment since health care is not rationed here. So how many people die prematurely in single payer systems not just from cancer but from various other maladies either because of rationed care or inferior care vis a vis the U.S. system. Without looking it up I’ld be willing to be its a lot more than 45,000 per year sir.
Paulo977
June 17th, 2012
6:32 pm
carlosgvv
Only those with a sociopathic mentality could be involved in this.
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Till it , in some way, ‘hits’ them!!
BTW Supreme Court is now an arm of the corporate world!!!!
getalife
June 17th, 2012
6:33 pm
orange,
Big business and kidneys are fine.
Thanks for asking.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 17th, 2012
6:37 pm
Well spit it Kam. What are my intentions?
Geez…
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G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 17th, 2012
6:37 pm
# one on my “black list” is Mel Gibson the Holocaust denier (sp?).
getalife
June 17th, 2012
6:37 pm
“BTW Supreme Court is now an arm of the corporate world!!!!”
True and this election is the first election for President tainted with citizen united corruption.
They expect a high return on those unlimited donations.
Thulsa Doom
June 17th, 2012
6:39 pm
carlosgvv,
Open your eyes carlos. Lots of people suffer needlessly in single payer systems and lots of people eventually die waiting for lifesaving or life enhancing treatment. And its a documented fact sir along with it being a documented fact that cancer survival rates are significantly higher in the U.S. How many people suffer, how many people’s conditions worsen because of the waiting period, and how many people flat out die due to rationed care?
The fact is that people often suffering great pain and anxiety while they spend months on a waiting list for surgery. Others spend months waiting for a surgery, only to have it cancelled, after which they will spend even more time waiting for another surgery. Sometimes people even die while on the waiting list.
Media in foreign nations are full of stories about people suffer while on a waiting list. In Canada, Diane Gorsuch twice had heart surgery cancelled; she suffered a fatal heart attack before her third surgery. In Great Britain, Mavis Skeet had her cancer surgery cancelled four times before her cancer was determined to have become inoperable. In Australia, eight-year-old Kyle Inglis has lost 50 percent of his hearing while waiting nearly 11 months for an operation to remove a tumor in his ear. Kyle is one of over 1,000 children waiting over 600 days for ear, nose and throat surgery in Warnbro, a suburb in Western Australia.
These are not mere anecdotes. Much academic literature has examined the impact of waiting lists on health. A study in the Canadian Medical Association Journal found that 50 people died while on a wait list for cardiac catheterization in Ontario. A study of Swedish patients on a wait list for heart surgery found that the “risk of death increases significantly with waiting time.” In a 2000 article in the journal Clinical Oncology, British researchers studying 29 lung cancer patients waiting for treatment further found that about 20 percent “of potentially curable patients became incurable on the waiting list.” [Back to Top]
TaxPayer
June 17th, 2012
6:39 pm
As governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney endorsed an aggressive program to reduce the state’s greenhouse gas emissions, pushed to close old coal-fired power plants and embraced wind and solar power.
Cool.
josef
June 17th, 2012
6:40 pm
G-MARE
He’s on mine, too.
getalife
June 17th, 2012
6:43 pm
doomy does have his talking points down to save his job.
Most people hate going to the doctor so factor that in your talking points doomy.
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
6:43 pm
Nah, not true Kam, but keep your POSitive attitude. It speaks volumes of you.
Thulsa Doom
June 17th, 2012
6:45 pm
carlosgvv,
Other studies have the number as being much lower than the 45,000 number you cited from the Harvard study.
According to PNHP, “Rationing in U.S. health care is based on income: if you can afford care you get it, if you can’t, you don’t. A recent study by the prestigious Institute of Medicine found that 18,000 Americans die every year because they don’t have health insurance.”
The Institute of Medicine study purporting to show that 18,000 people die each year due to a lack of health insurance is actually a “meta-analysis,” a study that summarizes the results of other studies. Yet many of the studies the Institute relied on have some rather odd results. One study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that women with private insurance were more likely to survive breast cancer than those uninsured. However, data in the study also showed that those who were uninsured had a higher survival rate than women covered by Medicaid. This suggests that factors other than health insurance, like education and income, were at play in determining breast cancer survival.
Furthermore, everyone in the U.S. can get care regardless of income. In 1986 the U.S. Congress passed the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act. This requires emergency rooms to treat any person who shows up seeking medical treatment, regardless of their ability to pay
getalife
June 17th, 2012
6:46 pm
mel has mental issues.
Tax,
He is a moderate but will hire bushies.
We know what the bushies did to our country.
I don’t expect a different result.
josef
June 17th, 2012
6:52 pm
The issue that never seems to be talked about in this discussion of health care is preventative care. Sure, you can go to the ER…but not for preventative care. By that time the condition has often reached the critical state. Until we address that matter, we’re going to continue to be living in a nation with the highest standards of medical care and still dropping dead in droves from treatable conditions because of lack of preventative-maintenance access.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 17th, 2012
6:52 pm
mel has mental issues.
The South Park boys, Parker and Stone, have had a lot of fun at his expense.
Hilarious.
Thomas
June 17th, 2012
6:53 pm
mel has mental issues
See- Obamacare already at work. Fellow bloggers can diagnose each other while they wait their turn to seek medical help.
That was buried in page 2,134 of the Act entitled “freebloggerstohelpfellowbloggerswithmedicalconditions”
Mel- pls tell getalife thank you and leave your $10 co pay at the door
They BOTH suck
June 17th, 2012
6:53 pm
Hope everyone, especially the dads, are enjoying a nice weekend.
Great weather.
Recon: Might want to start on the hydration with some good ole cold water. Those drafts can take a toll.
They BOTH suck
June 17th, 2012
6:53 pm
carlos
Hope you enjoyed your weekend and had some fun
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
6:55 pm
ACA comes down to dollars and cents. Nobody knows how much this bill is going to cost. Projections keep going up and up with no end in sight.
They BOTH suck
June 17th, 2012
6:56 pm
Taxpayer @ 6:30
Since Romney was doing that just on the state level. It is deemed ok
Thought you read the memo
They BOTH suck
June 17th, 2012
6:57 pm
Projections keep going up and up with no end in sight.
Sounds like healthcare costs in our current system, doesn’t it?
Thulsa Doom
June 17th, 2012
6:59 pm
josef,
Well that’s true about preventive care but people can get preventive care all day long. There are doctors that will see poor people that can’t afford to pay. A lot of doctors will also see patients for cash as low as $50 a visit. I know 3 of them personally that will see you for $50 cash. If someone has a condition that needs to be treated but can’t afford $400 a month insurance they can afford to see a doc for $50-$150 a month including tests and labs in order to be treated. And generics are as little as free to $4 for many common generics. Metformin for diabetics is $2-$4. And if you’re so poor you can’t afford these small fees than you are poor enough to be on Medicaid and get it paid for. There’s not much of an excuse for people to not be able to get care. They just have to ask for it. I also have customers who utilize the services of charities such as goodsamaritan cobb/cherokee counties where they get free care or greatly reduced care and drugs if they can’t afford even the cheap generics. The county also provides a lot of free help. I had a customer with AIDS that the county covers his 10k a month drug cocktail. There is a ton of help out there. People just have to get off their asses and ask for it. And I steer people all the time who can’t afford health insurance or just don’t want to pay for it to places where they can get help.
getalife
June 17th, 2012
6:59 pm
ObamaCare is the law of the land and the sc will approve it.
A female VP of a health care company wrote the bill and she got a standing ovation on the senate floor.
The sc will approve it because it is full of health care and drug company welfare.
The mandate is the ultimate corporate welfare.
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
7:00 pm
“Sounds like healthcare costs in our current system, doesn’t it?”
Yeah, sort of. But which one is the better buy?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 17th, 2012
7:01 pm
josef
Included in that preventative care, I also feel the need to include the availability of nutritious food. Often in the poorer neighborhoods is plentiful cheap, filling and mainly fat saturated fried calories and lacking is fresh fruits and vegetables.
TaxPayer
June 17th, 2012
7:06 pm
Romney does not disagree with Obama’s immigration policies. That’s cool too.
They BOTH suck
June 17th, 2012
7:06 pm
Orange12
While I’m not a fan of the ACA in its current form, we do need change. Even if the Supremes strike it down, I still think the trend will move to something closer to to coverage for all than what we have today.
Going to cost either way. No offense but some of the same people who want to being up the projected costs of “Obamacare” will in most cases ignore the increases that have been taking place for years.
I surely do not have the answers, but change is needed.
They BOTH suck
June 17th, 2012
7:08 pm
Orange
In this great country of ours, we can do better. Dems and Repubs need to stop being babies and get it done.
Easier said then done, I understand, but we CAN do better
JamVet
June 17th, 2012
7:09 pm
Sounds like healthcare costs in our current system, doesn’t it?
Are you referring to the “free market” (LOL!) profiteers getting away with crap like this?
From 1999 to 2009 health insurance premiums for American families went up a staggering 131%. More than four times the general rate of inflation of 28%.
And one estimate calculates that if costs continue on that current trajectory, premiums would go up another 166% in the following decade.
The worst health insurance that mountains of dirty money can buy…
Thulsa Doom
June 17th, 2012
7:13 pm
“Often in the poorer neighborhoods is plentiful cheap, filling and mainly fat saturated fried calories and lacking is fresh fruits and vegetables.”
That’s a myth. Can you name one of these poor neighborhoods? Cause I’ld be willing to be there is a grocery store within 5 miles maximum that sells fruits and vegetables. In most neighborhoods, even poor ones, there is a grocery store within 1-3 miles of that neighborhood and usually 5 miles max. And if you don’t have a car there is marta and most of us have seen people on marta with bags of groceries. Its not as if poor neighborhoods are cut off from nutritious food. They’re not.
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
7:17 pm
I wonder what the Federal Budget projection is going to be for FY2013. I bet it’s going to get cut to the bone for some agencies.
Thulsa Doom
June 17th, 2012
7:19 pm
“From 1999 to 2009 health insurance premiums for American families went up a staggering 131%. More than four times the general rate of inflation of 28%.”
Health insurance company profits average 3-4%. We’ve been over this and its obvious the rise in premiums isn’t going into their pockets in the form of profit. Costs are going up for a number of reasons and have more do to with an aging population, a fatass population, more alcohol, drugs, and smoking, and more people demanding and using more health care- and specifically demanding and using ever more prescription drugs that a little exercise and diet could take care of.
The top 5 selling medications in the U.S. cost 25 billion a year. All 5 are meds that would be rendered unnecessary if people just watched their diets and exercised more.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
June 17th, 2012
7:22 pm
Fresh fruits and vegetables are available in every grocery store. Go buy it if you want it.
Soothsayer
June 17th, 2012
7:23 pm
Well, Tiger’s done had his pants pulled down around his ankles — he’s out of it. This is a U.S. Open of the grinders and technicians — not bombers, as it should be.
All you Fright-Wingers enjoy your brief respite. I’ll be back tomorrow — with a vengeance. You can count on it! I’ll be kickin’ some ice!
josef
June 17th, 2012
7:24 pm
THULSA
Ask for it? Okay, charity, right? I know it’s a hard one for you to grapple with, but there is a thing called pride. I’m not being snarky when I say this, but you seem to have an extra dose of it from time to time. You should be able to understand how that can “get in the way.” And, it does…
On my plate tomorrow are two things. One, it’s time for the ole heart device check up. Probably’ll be time for a recharge. Fine. Sail in sail out. Do you know what’ll cost to replace it and how much of that is covered by MOST insurance plans?
Second thing…sorry low-down good for nuthin breeder male took off, left his wife and two kids, She with no job and can’t get any type of public assistance. About to lose the roof over their heads. Why didn’t I know of this before hand? Pride. So, I’ve got to do my part to “put out the fire.” Who do I get pissed at? Him for doing it? Her for not letting somebody know before it reached this point? Social services for excluding her? Myself for not seeing it coming? These are not “my” family. Why should I even care, much less spend a good part of the day chasing down your “ask for it” resources.
I say that to say this…I start my day golden policy “insured.” I then go to the soup line, so to speak.
Mr_B
June 17th, 2012
7:25 pm
“Romney has stated he favors comprehensive reform”
He has also stated that he supports gay rights to a greater extent than Ted Kennedy, and favors reproductive choice.
TaxPayer
June 17th, 2012
7:29 pm
Romney would get rid of Obama’s health care legislation. Uh Oh! That’s not good. That would mean, for starters, a 500 billion dollar tax increase, yes, a tax increase, in Medicare that taxpayers would get stuck with. Maybe that’s why Romney wants to cut Medicaid. To be fair and balanced.
josef
June 17th, 2012
7:30 pm
THULSA
Okay, MARTA to the that “convenient” store…you’ve got three kids ages 6, 8 and 9. There and back how much does that run? How much can you shlep back on one outing? I. E, how many trips a week/month are you going to have to make and what will that cost be…?
Thulsa Doom
June 17th, 2012
7:30 pm
Doomy’s about to head out for his evening run. But before I go let me leave the liberals with something. Before Obamacare there were 5 states where you could not be rejected for pre-existing conditions. NY, NJ, Mass, Maine, and Vermont. Everyone qualifies and can get health insurance and still can in those 5 states with or without Obamacare. And the premium is the same for all since its community rating.
So it might interest you guys to know that health insurance premiums are 300-400% higher in those 5 states than in the rest of the country. Now one of the selling points of ACA is that it will lower costs. Given the empirical evidence that stands right before your very eyes I would like one of the liberals to please explain to me how it is that ACA is supposed to lower the cost of health care and do it while covering pre-existing conditions given the evidence that shows the exact opposite.
I’ll be back later. That should give you guys plenty of time to come up with some kind of jackassery to explain how you believe this fairy tale of universal coverage including coverage of pre-existing conditions is going to happen and happen at a reasonable cost.
Thulsa Doom
June 17th, 2012
7:33 pm
josef,
Someone can watch the kids while you go to the grocery store. And this assumes neither you, nor a friend, nor a relative, none of you have a car- which strains credulity. And as I said I do want someone to show me a place where there is no neighborhood grocery within 1-5 miles. Cause I’ve been to plenty of poor neighborhoods and I’ve yet to be somewhere where a grocery store is not within easy driving distance.
TaxPayer
June 17th, 2012
7:34 pm
Repeal of Obama’s healthcare legislation would also mean that health insurance companies would no longer be required to spend at least 80% of their customer’s insurance premiums on their customers.
Thulsa Doom
June 17th, 2012
7:35 pm
josef, My point is that there is help for everyone. And I’ve been down and out before so my pride and vanity is not as great as you might imagine. Almost everyone needs help from time to time but sometimes you gotta help yourself and ask others how to get the help you need.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 17th, 2012
7:38 pm
Enter your comments here
josef
June 17th, 2012
7:38 pm
THULSA
I know it strains your credulity. There’s where to problem lies. But it is far more common than you want to admit. Also you assume there’s someone to watch the kids. That’s not the case in far more situations than you would like to admit. You don’t grasp the isolation in which many of the people we are talking about live. Oh, Grove Park-Hollywood…
Gimme Gimme Gimme
June 17th, 2012
7:39 pm
“Okay, MARTA to the that “convenient” store…you’ve got three kids ages 6, 8 and 9. There and back how much does that run? How much can you shlep back on one outing? I. E, how many trips a week/month are you going to have to make and what will that cost be…?”
So your solution is to have the Government deliver to the front door?
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 17th, 2012
7:39 pm
Jam@7:09, yep! I had BCBS as a Medicare supplement. Finally had to drop it because the premiums just kept rising to over $300.00 per month. Now I have a Humana Medicare Advantage one for about $40.00 a month. I hope I don’t ever need it because I suspect it won’t cover much.
josef
June 17th, 2012
7:41 pm
THULSA
Okay, I’ll strike a deal with you…you take care of my “help!” one tomorrow…I’ll go and sell an insurance policy or two…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 17th, 2012
7:41 pm
Oops
Articles on “food deserts”.
http://news.yale.edu/2008/09/10/healthy-foods-scarce-poor-neighborhoods-yale-researchers-find
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2010/08/01/food-deserts.html
josef
June 17th, 2012
7:42 pm
Gimme…
Did I say I had a solution? If I did, we wouldn’t be having this discussion, would we?
Gimme Gimme Gimme
June 17th, 2012
7:43 pm
Stores stock what people purchase. If they bought fruits in vegetables than those stores would offer more of it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 17th, 2012
7:45 pm
More:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=7022917&page=1
http://frac.org/initiatives/hunger-and-obesity/why-are-low-income-and-food-insecure-people-vulnerable-to-obesity/
josef
June 17th, 2012
7:47 pm
Gimme
That argument is a two-way street. People buy what’s in the store. If they stocked more fruits and vegetables, people would buy more.
Liberal Democrat
June 17th, 2012
7:49 pm
Why should we care if Iran has nukes. I’m sure they would not use them.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
June 17th, 2012
7:49 pm
Well I am off to enjoy a banana and get ready for the Heat game. I hope you guys can solve the worlds problems!
getalife
June 17th, 2012
7:50 pm
If ObamaCare fails, hello single payer.
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 17th, 2012
7:51 pm
There is a convenience store up the street from where I live. I have stopped going there because the only milk for sale is “flavored,” chocolate, strawberry, etc., & none of it is low fat. Also, have never seen fresh fruit or veggies. ‘Nuf said?
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 17th, 2012
7:55 pm
Yeah, I can go elsewhere. Not everyone can.
oscar
June 17th, 2012
8:09 pm
Doom 7:30
Don’t believe anyone ever siad the health care act would make health insurance cost less. There are other befits such as making health care availabe to more people and ending abuses by insurance companies such as dropping people when they get sick, caps and ending pre=existing conditions clauses. But costs less to you and me, I never heard that.
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
8:12 pm
51% of the people pay taxes and eveybody dies. Those are the facts. With the second factor the only thing where everyone is equal.
josef
June 17th, 2012
8:15 pm
ORANGE
“51% of the people pay taxes and eveybody dies”
Temme…where do I get me one them “no tax” cards so’s I can show it at the store, the fillin’ station, the landlord at rent time…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 17th, 2012
8:15 pm
51% of the people pay taxes…
Not this crap again.
Every consumer pays taxes, sport.
josef
June 17th, 2012
8:16 pm
K’chak
Beat you to it, this time!
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
8:17 pm
Yeah, if you are referring to sales tax.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 17th, 2012
8:19 pm
josef
I plead distraction.
Watching the Open and it’s pretty dramatic right now.
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
8:19 pm
Josef,
What kind of tax does your landlord exact on you?
Moderate Line
June 17th, 2012
8:21 pm
oscar
June 17th, 2012
8:09 pm
Doom 7:30
Don’t believe anyone ever siad the health care act would make health insurance cost less.
++++
The title of the bill is the Affordable Health Care Act. Are you serious?
Go to http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/healthcare-overview#affordable-coverage.
Why does the government have a section called “More Affordable coverage”.
JamVet
June 17th, 2012
8:23 pm
GMare, my condolences.
I’m one lucky SOB. I get to take advantage of the greatest socialized, single payer health care in the country – the VA.
The Gold Standard.,aAd I feel for the Americans who get raped by this clusterf&ck that exists now.
Except for the we love the status quo neocons, of course. They completely deserve whatever disastrous medical expenses befall them and their families.
JamVet
June 17th, 2012
8:31 pm
Is 12 b*tching again about the seven hundred thousand Americans who make $100K and more in any given year and who pay nothing in federal withholding tax? Including thousands of millionaires.
And countless massive corporations?
Good for him.
Maybe he’s getting sick of this travesty called perverted capitalism…
Josef
June 17th, 2012
8:31 pm
Orange
I personally don’t have one, but property taxes are figured into rents. And if there not then the landlord is a pretty St I’d business man…
Recon 0311 2533
June 17th, 2012
8:32 pm
“There are plenty, including one who has been on today, that I wish nothing but ill will in this life, but when he passes, I will wish that his troubled soul may rest in peace.”
How sanctimonious and small that comment is targeting someone on a blog. It pretty much says volumes about the asinine petty thinking on the far left.
Josef
June 17th, 2012
8:34 pm
Damn iPad..
One STUPID businessman..
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
8:35 pm
Nah, Jam, I thought I was stating a couple of facts until I got called on the sales tax Thingy which I thought was a given. Some people just like to argue about anything.
Josef
June 17th, 2012
8:36 pm
Oooo…looks like somebody’s in his cups… Wanna mudwressle, Mable…
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 17th, 2012
8:38 pm
And you deserve that, Jam. You EARNED it! I would (almost
) agree to pay higher taxes for care of our veterans. Okay, not even almost. I would, if my own age & health permitted it, volunteer at a VA facility. I just wish I had known this when I had the energy. As the old adage says,”too soon old, too late smart.”
bman
June 17th, 2012
8:40 pm
I’d rather not pay more in taxes.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 17th, 2012
8:42 pm
Speakin’ of drinkin’ — josef, I know how little you regard Vermouth — what is your opinion of Lillet?
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
8:43 pm
Josef
“And if there not then the landlord is a pretty St I’d business man…”
Hmmm, I used to rent a place out in Jacksonville Fl. I guess I.m one of those St I’d business man (men) as I just figured a fair price and never considered charging any tax on top of that even though I was charged income tax on it at the end of the year.
getalife
June 17th, 2012
8:44 pm
“asinine petty thinking”
That is all you cons do.
Recon 0311 2533
June 17th, 2012
8:46 pm
“That is all you cons do.”
Look the android has really been wound up today.
Josef
June 17th, 2012
8:51 pm
Orange
Well, you said it, I didn’t
K’cak
I’m something of a Peasnt along those lines…outside of wines I’m a whiskey, gin, vodka…that kinda stuff….
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
8:52 pm
Jam,
If you don’t mind me asking, do you have Tri-Care Prime or do you go out to the VAMC. If you have Tri-care Prime, do you think it’s worth the out of pocket?
Josef
June 17th, 2012
8:57 pm
K’chak
Oops… What I meant to say is that I don’t “mess” with wines…I don’t care for sangria etc. And otherwise I’m a peasant…
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
8:58 pm
Joseph,
Why gig your renter further? It would take a real AH to add taxes to what you consider a fair price.
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 17th, 2012
9:00 pm
It seems to be con think: I got mine & tough s–t for everybody else. Ah, see these ——- how they love one another.
Sorry if I sound bitter, but I AM. Please ask yourselves, WWJD? I know for sure he would not dump on the “least among us.”
Please THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE POSTING SUCH (im)pious CRAP! Oops, am I allowed to write that word? Guess I’ll find out.