Bill Kristol offers solution: Yep, you guessed it
War.
Whatever the problem, the ever-eager Bill Kristol believes that other people dying can solve it. The ardent cheerleader of our invasion of Iraq, where more than 4,400 U.S. soldiers died for a cause yet to reveal itself, now champions that same “solution” for Iran, a much more difficult problem. And in a piece in the Weekly Standard, complete with requisite Churchill quote, he and co-author Jamie Fly argue that if President Obama doesn’t do it, Congress should intervene:
Bill Kristol
“President Obama says a nuclear Iran is unacceptable. The real and credible threat of force is probably the last hope of persuading the Iranian regime to back down. So: Isn’t it time for the president to ask Congress for an Authorization for Use of Military Force against Iran’s nuclear program?
Instead of running away from it, administration officials could be putting the military option front and center and ensuring it is seen as viable. And if the administration flinches, Congress could consider passing such an authorization anyway. While any commander in chief has the constitutional authority to take urgent action to protect Americans and their interests, such legislation would give weight to the president’s commitment to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. It would strengthen the president’s hand. It would show Tehran that America’s policy of preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon is a credible one. Bipartisan support for such an authorization would remove the issue as much as possible from the turmoil of election year politics. And the authorization could also make clear that the United States would come to Israel’s aid in the event that it decides it needs to take action….
We don’t expect the Obama administration to request an Authorization for Use of Military Force. But Congress can act without such a request. By doing so, it would serve the nation’s interest, and, indeed, the administration’s, if the administration means what it says.
Surely it is time for a concentration of congressional opinion and force capable of lifting our efforts to the level of emergency. The Obama administration may be committed to leading from behind, but Congress can choose to lead from the front.
– Jay Bookman
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Bruno
June 17th, 2012
12:01 pm
During the R’s primary debates, the candidates were asked whether they would accept a deal that included one dollar in tax increases for every 10 dollars in budget cuts and NO candidate raise their hands. During the debt ceiling debacle, the R’s backed out of an agreement when Obama insisted on one trillion revenue increases in exchange for 4 trillion in spending cuts
DF–A lot of political hay has been made by the Left that ALL of our problems are due to Republican recalcitrance and obstructionism. Look no further than Jay’s blog for evidence, in which that has been the headline time and again. The bottom line is that it takes two to tango. Intelligent people realize that, while those with some kind of axe to grind blame one side only. Believe as you wish, but the Repubs were pretty much shut out of the political process the first two years Obama was in office. Since that time, I can’t really explain the gridlock, and wish that the petty differences would be set aside for the greater good.
BTW, did you ever find what programs Obama has enacted that explain the current high deficits? I looked for this myself and found an analysis that credited about 140 billion in annual expenditures. This does not include the one time stimulus. That’s not a small amount of money but it comes far short of explaining the increase in debt that he is blamed for by the right.
DF–It’s this simple: For most of the Bush years, our nation had an annual federal budget in the $2.5 Trillion range. Now, the new “norm” is in the $3.5 Trillion range, an almost 50% increase. I don’t have time this AM to research exactly where all of the increases come from, but it shouldn’t be a difficult task. Unfortunately, no one wants to do the simple math and acknowledge the handwriting on the wall. Instead, we’re treated to BS like Jay’s in which he wants us to believe that Obama is some kind of frugal spender.
USMC
June 17th, 2012
12:06 pm
I guess EDWARD hates Jews too.
Wow! Jay Bookman, Hating and Discriminating, singles out Jewish intellectuals and their differing viewpoints; go figure. Jay obviously needs to learn to accept different viewpoints and accept other cultures as equals. Bigotry isn’t the answer, Jay. “Co-Exist”
Bruno
June 17th, 2012
12:07 pm
Mr B–In case you missed it, I answered your question as to why I criticize Scout’s religious proselytizing the other night. Here’s the link. I actually have a second part to the answer, which I will compose in a while. I’m still at work taking care of the troops.
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/06/14/billionaire-adelson-limitless-for-romney/?cp=11#comment-983403
USMC
June 17th, 2012
12:07 pm
JAY BOOKMAN = ANTISEMITISM!
Mr_B
June 17th, 2012
12:14 pm
Doggone: I think that they should as exposed to risk as anybody else’s family, and not be able to hide behind the economic realities that drive recruiting in our Armed Forces. I personally think that keeping the Iranians from getting a nuclear device is worth just as much American blood and treasure as keeping the following nations from possessing one:
Great Britain
France
Russia
Ukraine
Peoples Republic of China
South Africa
India
Pakistan
North Korea
and most to the point:
Israel.
We didn’t get excited about those folks having the bomb, So why the Iranians?.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
12:15 pm
Mr_B
June 17th, 2012
11:36 am
Only one candidate has as much experience in the job as any other candidate in US history, with the exception of Franklin Roosevelt.
Thanks for recognizing that fact, MR.
Thanks for the kind words. Experience by itself is meaningless. Fidel Castro has more experience than either of our candidates, but I wouldn’t vote for him for president. I do recognize there are others here who would though.
Doggone/GA
June 17th, 2012
12:16 pm
” I think that they should as exposed to risk as anybody else’s family, and not be able to hide behind the economic realities that drive recruiting in our Armed Forces”
so you WOULD agree that your family members should be forced to serve even if you won’t.
Matti
June 17th, 2012
12:19 pm
Mighty Mouse:
“Fidel Castro has more experience than either of our candidates, but I wouldn’t vote for him for president. I do recognize there are others here who would though.”
That’s a bold statement, Mighty. How confident you are in your very special ability to know what’s in the hearts and minds of other men! Tell us now, do you have the mighty stones to tell us the names of these people, since you’re so certain? I’m sure they would appreciate the public acknowledgement that they would vote for Castro, so they can thank you personally.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
12:28 pm
Today, the CBO released new projections from 2013 extending through 2022, and the results are as critics expected: the ten-year cost of the law’s core provisions to expand health insurance coverage has now ballooned to $1.76 trillion. That’s because we now have estimates for Obamacare’s first nine years of full implementation, rather than the mere six when it was signed into law. Only next year will we get a true ten-year cost estimate, if the law isn’t overturned by the Supreme Court or repealed by then. Given that in 2022, the last year available, the gross cost of the coverage expansions are $265 billion, we’re likely looking at about $2 trillion over the first decade, or more than double what Obama advertised.
Can anyone cite a government program that didn’t cost twice what the CBO said it would? If the Supreme Court doesn’t overturn Obamacare hang on to your hat. Of course most of the cost is hidden at present by delaying the real cost until after the election. What was he said about running up the bill and then leaving the resturant? He knows what he is talking about. He is an expert at deception.
Brosephus™
June 17th, 2012
12:33 pm
You are sort of correct, I did use the wrong term. However if you bother to read the article I referenced you will find your statement is also incorrect.
And how so? Was the original debate based around the assumption that, under Obama, government spending had the smallest increase of previous presidents?
From the original article that started it all…
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-spending-binge-never-happened-2012-05-22?pagenumber=1
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Of all the falsehoods told about President Barack Obama, the biggest whopper is the one about his reckless spending spree.
As would-be president Mitt Romney tells it: “I will lead us out of this debt and spending inferno.”
Almost everyone believes that Obama has presided over a massive increase in federal spending, an “inferno” of spending that threatens our jobs, our businesses and our children’s future. Even Democrats seem to think it’s true.
But it didn’t happen. Although there was a big stimulus bill under Obama, federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since Dwight Eisenhower brought the Korean War to an end in the 1950s.
Even hapless Herbert Hoover managed to increase spending more than Obama has.
I was not correct in my statement. I also didn’t read your article. When you start off with a lie, there is no reason to read the link. If you’re debunking a lie, why read the evidence? If I were you, I’d quit trying to save face now because you’re not gonna win the debate. You were wrong at first, and then you were wrong when trying to say I was wrong.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
12:36 pm
Matti
I don’t have to list peoples names. They do it themselves when the advocate Marxist principals like “redistribution of wealth”, goverment provided health care, ignoring law when it is convenient, opposition to capitalism, hatred of Business, wealth envy, to mention a few.
Mr_B
June 17th, 2012
12:39 pm
Doggone: I spent my early twenties trying to end an incredibly stupid military adventure in Vietnam; and to end the draft that helped to make it possible.
I’m in my sixties now, and I see kids (some are my students) are sometimes forced into the military through lack of economic resources. My guess is that children and grand children of the William Kristols, the John Boltons, and, yes, the Abidinijahds or the world do not face those choices.
Catlady’s point, (and I agree with her,) is that IF saber-rattling in the fashion of Mr. Kristol’s carried a significant price (People I care about could get hurt!), then a hell of a lot fewer sabers would be rattled. And maybe, just maybe, fewer sabers would be drawn.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
12:40 pm
Brosephus™
Ignorance is bliss.
Doggone/GA
June 17th, 2012
12:41 pm
“They do it themselves when the advocate Marxist principals like “redistribution of wealth”, goverment provided health care, ignoring law when it is convenient, opposition to capitalism, hatred of Business, wealth envy, to mention a few”
Has it ever crossed your mind that forming your opinions based on FACTS is vastly preferable to forming them based on lies?
Doggone/GA
June 17th, 2012
12:42 pm
“My guess is that children and grand children of the William Kristols, the John Boltons, and, yes, the Abidinijahds or the world do not face those choices”
Then if you advocate that the family members of the priviliged should be forced into fighting because someone else in their family won’t, you are advocating that ANY family member of ANY family should also be so forced. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander works in both directions.
Mr_B
June 17th, 2012
12:44 pm
“advocate Marxist principals like “redistribution of wealth”, goverment provided health care, ignoring law when it is convenient, opposition to capitalism, hatred of Business, wealth envy, ”
Could somebody please direct me to the bookstore where Mighty Righty shops? They are fraudulently passing off something else as being copies of the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital on unsuspecting customers like poor MR.
granny godzilla
June 17th, 2012
12:45 pm
Oh, screw Bill Kristol.
(a more disgusting mental picture I can’t imagine)
Happy Fathers Day Gentlemen.
Most especially to my Mr. G and my own terrific Pop.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
12:46 pm
Mr_B
I agree with you. We should never go to war except to defend our homeland. Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan are all stuipid wars. The problem is we do not learn. At present we are not anxious to get out of Afghanistan and it seems we are eager to get into trouble in Syria and Iran.
Tundra Dude
June 17th, 2012
12:47 pm
Mighty Mouse:
“Fidel Castro has more experience than either of our candidates, but I wouldn’t vote for him for president.
More experience and possibly more intelligence and certainly saner the these two carnival barkers
we have as candidates, imo.
Castro: on disastrous US & Israel War Adventure.
(snipped)
“It is really extraordinary to observe a nation so powerful technologically and a government so bereft of both ideas and moral values.”
http://bit.ly/Mzmilz
getalife
June 17th, 2012
12:50 pm
“PLOUFFE: Republicans want ‘more war’…”
They want wwiii.
Troop abusers.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
12:54 pm
Communism (from Latin communis – common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order. This movement, in its Marxist-Leninist interpretations, which saw intense rivalry between the “socialist world” (socialist states ruled by Communist parties) and the “western world” (countries with market economies).
In Marxist theory, pure communism is a specific stage of historical development that inevitably emerges from the development of the productive forces that leads to a superabundance of material wealth, allowing for distribution based on need and social relations based on freely associated individuals.[1][2] The exact definition of communism varies, Marxist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the road to communism. Leninism adds to Marxism the notion of a vanguard party to lead the proletarian revolution and to secure all political power after the revolution for the working class, for the development of universal class consciousness and worker participation, in a transitional stage between capitalism and socialism.
Mr_B
June 17th, 2012
12:54 pm
“it seems we are eager to get into trouble in Syria and Iran.”
What do you mean WE, Kimo-sabbe? (Tonto to the Lone Ranger when surrounded by bloodthirsty Comanche warriors.)
Tundra Dude
June 17th, 2012
12:54 pm
advocate Marxist principals like “redistribution of wealth”, goverment provided health care, ignoring law when it is convenient, opposition to capitalism, hatred of Business, wealth envy, ”
Could somebody please direct me to the bookstore where Mighty Righty shops? They are fraudulently passing off something else as being copies of the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital on unsuspecting customers like poor MR.
————————————————
Actually, it sounds like he just picks the low-hanging fruit from the Fox Tree of Knowledge
TaxPayer
June 17th, 2012
12:57 pm
Happy Father’s Day to all you other fathers out there.
Brosephus™
June 17th, 2012
1:00 pm
Ignorance is bliss.
Indeed, and I bet you’re always on cloud nine.
Mr_B
June 17th, 2012
1:03 pm
Good work, MR! You found the Wikipedia entry for Marxism.
Now try reading it: and then go back to the original documents and try reading THEM. The show me where Marx advocates: “goverment provided health care” (although not a bad idea),”ignoring law when it is convenient,” “hatred of Business,”wealth envy”. I’ll concede “opposition to capitalism,” but Marx recognized capitalism as the most advanced economic system of his day.
TaxPayer
June 17th, 2012
1:04 pm
I have a little experiment for you other bloggers. Click on this link and then reset the wage incomes to zero and then enter a total of $88,000 in earnings in the dividends and/or capital gains boxes and scroll down to the bottom of the page and click the button for calculating taxes and let me know what the results are with and without the Bush tax cuts.
Brosephus™
June 17th, 2012
1:13 pm
RIP Rodney King. May you finally be at peace.
Recon 0311 2533
June 17th, 2012
1:20 pm
“If you want to be taken seriously here, at least learn the basics of how politics works in America.”
carlosgw,
I was probably voting when you were in diapers. I only take you seriously enough to tell you that from your previous posts that I no longer waste time reading that I think you’re a pompous jack ass. If you dislike or disagree with my posts move on.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
1:21 pm
Mr_B
Do you actually think Government provided health care is not socialist? Can’t be. You are not that dumb. Are you lefties trying to say that redistribution of wealth is not from the communist bible of one according ti his ablity to one according to his need? Using different terms doesn’t change the effect. Again, do you think anti business, anti banking, anti wallstreet, anti oill companies, anti any form of production that is not government approved is not socialism? The founders of communisim themselves admit that socialism is one step toeard communisim. Our current leader is vocal on class warfare which is one of the problems that communisim is supposed to correct. Come on folks. If you buy into that garbage, you are advocating a Marxist Communist solution to our perceived economic problems whether you are honest enough to call it what it is or pretend it is merely progressive liberalism. BTW look up use of the work “forward” in political campaigns.
Doggone/GA
June 17th, 2012
1:26 pm
“Do you actually think Government provided health care is not socialist?”
It might be, but since that is not what the ACA provides…it’s not a germain argument.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 17th, 2012
1:28 pm
Do you actually think Government provided health care…
There’s your sign.
getalife
June 17th, 2012
1:36 pm
The gop will start WWIII and collapse the global economy again,
There is only one sane choice.
Four more years.
Mr_B
June 17th, 2012
1:49 pm
“Do you actually think Government provided health care is not socialist? ” When it is provided through private providers with private insurance, utilizing drugs and materials produced by private enterprise: NO, I wouldn’t call that socialism.
“the communist bible of one according ti his ablity to one according to his need?” Used by Marx, but roughly quoting the apostle Paul, among others.
“Again, do you think anti business, anti banking, anti wallstreet, anti oill companies, anti any form of production that is not government approved” No, it just sounds like mindless opppositionism to me. Socialists have no problem with productive enterprises. We think everybody ought to own them. Stuff like “credit default swap derivatives,” not so much.
“Our current leader is vocal on class warfare which is one of the problems that communisim is supposed to correct.” Marx probably thought wife-beating was wrong too. Does that mean that Obama needs to start slapping Michelle around?
Mighty, I personally abandoned Marxism years ago because Marx failed to anticipate many of the by-products of the Industrial Revolution, and doesn’t predict events in an industrialized, relatively well educated society very well. That doesn’t mean all of Marx’s ideas were bad, or that Marx himself was somehow the Anti-Christ.
When people who object to persons or policies as “Socialist” , “Communist”, “Marxist” or “Fascist” without knowing what those ideas actually are, it’s very hard to take the objections seriously.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
June 17th, 2012
1:53 pm
When people who object to persons or policies as “Socialist” , “Communist”, “Marxist” or “Fascist” without knowing what those ideas actually are, it’s very hard to take the objections seriously.
The actual meanings of these words at this point are irrelevant. They have become code words for fear.
carlosgvv
June 17th, 2012
2:05 pm
mighty – 12:36 “government provided health care”
Nearly 45,000 people die in America each year mainly because of a lack of health insurance.
Does this bother you?
Do you think it’s right?
Obamaneisha
June 17th, 2012
2:20 pm
The cartoonist in me sees Bill Kristol straddling a falling A-bomb, a la Major “King” Kong, yee-hawing and waving his cowboy hat on the way down to destroy the evil (fill in name of enemy du jour).
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
2:30 pm
carlosgvv
June 17th, 2012
2:05 pm
mighty – 12:36 “government provided health care”
Nearly 45,000 people die in America each year mainly because of a lack of health insurance.
Who ever said that is wrong. If your statement is true then Obama lied when during the pre Obama care passage he said that we were already paying for the “uninsured” every time they went to the emergency room so there would be no increase in cost of health care. In fact he said that adding 20 million uninsureds or whatever the number was to the health care rolls would not only not cost anything it would reduce health care cost. Which is why clear thinking people like Republicans knew that he was under stating Obamacare cost by billions. It is now clear we were right and every person who believed otherwise was wrong.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 17th, 2012
2:30 pm
for all the parents’ dead children on your hands, Kristol, I STILL thank
you for booking Stephen Colbert as speaker for the 2005 WH
correspondents dinner. That was what we call a ‘gutting & filet-ing.’
That beatdown effectively ended Little Nero w/a Cowboy Hat.
Thanks again. now les go surfin hahaha
stands for decibels
June 17th, 2012
2:32 pm
RIP Rodney King. May you finally be at peace.
Indeed. He’s one of those guys I kept hoping would pull it together, somehow. Such a tragic figure.
Let’s remember him, if nothing else, for this…
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/17/us/obit-rodney-king/index.html
King said earlier this year he has forgiven the officers who beat him.
“Yes, I’ve forgiven them, because I’ve been forgiven many times,” he said. “My country’s been good to me … This country is my house, it’s the only home I know, so I have to be able to forgive — for the future, for the younger generation coming behind me, so … they can understand it and if a situation like that happened again, they could deal with it a lot easier.”
Brosephus™
June 17th, 2012
2:33 pm
Do you actually think Government provided health care is not socialist?
So are you calling members of the miltary and elected officials in DC socialists? They are about the only one’s who get government provided healthcare. I wanna know who has the sale on straw going on ’cause I can sure use some for my flower beds. You’ve been working at building an alternate straw universe all morning. The way you keep setting that thing ablaze, you’re not gonna get it completed though.
stands for decibels
June 17th, 2012
2:33 pm
Kristol, I STILL thank
you for booking Stephen Colbert as speaker for the 2005 WH
correspondents dinner.
That was Kristol’s doing? I did not know that.
Thomas
June 17th, 2012
2:37 pm
The actual meanings of these words at this point are irrelevant. They have become code words for fear.
Actually not. The media gets lost with the words. Tucker before him and Bookman now could not adequately explain fascism- which we are all suffering through- that and 11 years of no leadership which does allow the insane to run the country.
Brosephus™
June 17th, 2012
2:37 pm
dB
That’s what it’s all about in the end. If he forgave them, what others think is irrelevant at that point.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
2:39 pm
Doggone/GA
June 17th, 2012
1:26 pm
It might be, but since that is not what the ACA provides…it’s not a germain argument.
Under the Obama Non Affordable Health Care Act what happens if you choose to not purchase health insurance? Oh that’s right, you don’t have a choice. You are not only required to buy insurance for your self and your family but you must also pay for anyone else who can’t afford to buy their own insurance.
carlosgvv
June 17th, 2012
2:42 pm
I gave you the annual death figures and asked if you are ok with this. You replied with a tirade against Obama. That is NOT what I asked.
Once again:
Are you ok with this many people dying because of no insurance?
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
June 17th, 2012
2:44 pm
- which we are all suffering through- that and 11 years of no leadership which does allow the insane to run the country.
You just proved my point.
Thanks, sport.
stands for decibels
June 17th, 2012
2:46 pm
I gave you the annual death figures and asked if you are ok with this.
Hey buddy, sometimes the Invisible Hand of the marketplace is carrying a scythe, sometimes not. That gonna keep you up nights?
not if you’re a (snort) Mighty Righty!
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
2:48 pm
Brosephus:
People do not have to be socialists just because they work under policies that are socialistic anymore than they would have to be a Republican just because they happen to work for a Republican boss.
bman
June 17th, 2012
2:48 pm
“Nearly 45,000 people die in America each year mainly because of a lack of health insurance.”
Did you read some “study” somewhere? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I doubt it’s accurate. Might even be more….or less. BTW .. .. how many people who do have insurance die each year?
Doggone/GA
June 17th, 2012
2:49 pm
” what happens if you choose to not purchase health insurance?”
Health INSURANCE is not health CARE. The government will not be providind health CARE. What you said was a lie.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
June 17th, 2012
2:55 pm
Health INSURANCE is not health CARE. The government will not be providind health CARE.
Somebody was hoping that you didn’t notice that he moved the goalposts.
Somebody was Mighty Wrong.
Doggone/GA
June 17th, 2012
2:59 pm
“Somebody was hoping that you didn’t notice that he moved the goalposts”
Yeah, well…I noticed!
JamVet
June 17th, 2012
3:01 pm
Does this bother you?
Do you think it’s right?
Once in a blue moon the man will honestly answer direct questions like these.
He’d rather parse minor details and avoid the salient points…
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
3:02 pm
Kamchak – “Socialism” is just a code word for “fear,” the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
June 17th, 2012
2:55 pm
Health INSURANCE is not health CARE. The government will not be providind health CARE.
Obamacare is not the Affordable Health Insurance Act. It is the Affordable Health Care Act. Not my words, but the governments. I guess you are “Mighty” wrong.
stands for decibels
June 17th, 2012
3:02 pm
Hey, you know how it is, when the topic is private-school voucherin’, how some dirty effing hippie brings up the possibility that some Islamic school might want some a’ that voucher dough-re-me for themselves, to raise little Ahmed up to fear Allah all proper ‘n such, on the taxpayer dime?
How we wondered how conservatives would feel about that?
Well wonder no more.
Rep. Kenneth Havard, R-Jackson, objected to including the Islamic School of Greater New Orleans in a list of schools approved by the education department to accept as many as 38 voucher students. Havard said he wouldn’t support any spending plan that “will fund Islamic teaching.”
“I won’t go back home and explain to my people that I supported this,” he said.
“It’ll be the Church of Scientology next year,” said Rep. Sam Jones, D-Franklin.
Carter, R-Baton Rouge, said the Islamic school withdrew its request to participate in the voucher program.
“They’re not interested. The system works,” he said.
Golly, wonder why Allah sudden they’re not interested in participating any more? I’m sure it was all totally legal and above board, right?
Doggone/GA
June 17th, 2012
3:04 pm
“Obamacare is not the Affordable Health Insurance Act. It is the Affordable Health Care Act”
It’s not what it’s named that means anything it’s what it DOES. For example, we don’t take your screen name at face value either.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
June 17th, 2012
3:13 pm
Obamacare is not the Affordable Health Insurance Act. It is the Affordable Health Care Act. Not my words, but the governments. I guess you are “Mighty” wrong.
Health care does not equal health insurance, sport.
You can’t walk it back so you gotta spin.
Still Mighty Wrong.
stands for decibels
June 17th, 2012
3:19 pm
For the record, it’s entitled “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.”
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
3:19 pm
JamVet
No it does not bother me! First I doubt there is a coroner anywhere in this great land that upon certifying the death of an individual asks for proof of the deceased’s health insurance and/or whether they saw a physician so he can notify some governent agency so they can keep track of how many people died because they didn’t have access to health care. Personally I have never met a deceased person who was denied health care and neither have you. I don’t doubt for one second that there are people who die because they didn’t seek medical help when they needed it and they failed to get help because they didn’t want to pay for it. But no one knows how many, if any fall into this category. But to reiterate, No it doesn’t bother me. Let me ask you a question. Does it bother you that today while you were having a nice lunch a few thousand people starved to death world wide?
carlosgvv
June 17th, 2012
3:20 pm
bman
Type in “number of people in America who die each year because of no health insurance” The “study is from Reuters.
Thulsa Doom
June 17th, 2012
3:31 pm
Jeez, I see people were praising Rodney King as if the guy was some kinda hero. Lemme see- the guy gets stoned and drunk at the same time and leads cops on a near 100 mph chase through LA before finally being caught. Then he jumps out of the car and attacks the cops and gets the hell beat out of him. Collect 4 million dollars and become instant celebrity. Then spend the rest of your days getting drunk, getting high, getting arrested a few more times, and blowing through your cash. What the cops did in excessively beating the man was just plain wrong. But lets not make Rodney King some kinda hero for instigating the whole thing. Looking back at his life he lived a pretty worthless life.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
3:32 pm
The “study” was from some agency that no doubt had a vested interest in the passageof Obamacare as it was reported by severl oulets during the proaganga build up to the sneak vote under cover of darness and secrecy by th Democrat Congress.
The researchers examined government health surveys from more than 9,000 people aged 17 to 64, taken from 1986-1994, and then followed up through 2000. They determined that the uninsured have a 40 percent higher risk of death than those with private health insurance as a result of being unable to obtain necessary medical care. The researchers then extrapolated the results to census data from 2005 and calculated there were 44,789 deaths associated with lack of health insurance.
They alledgedly studied 9000 deaths and extrapolated the numbers based on census data. So much for accuracy.
MiltonMan
June 17th, 2012
3:32 pm
“Are the Republican keyboard warriors going to help do some of the fighting this time?”
Be there done that. Have you?
MiltonMan
June 17th, 2012
3:34 pm
Thulsa, don’t forget King was a bank robber.
Oblama
June 17th, 2012
3:35 pm
Obama should sell the nuke to Iran before Putin does. Lot’s of cash to be made under the table. He could use that to fund his reelection if Soros, Maher, labor unions, lawyers, Planned Parent Hood, Gay activists, etc. come up short.
Thomas
June 17th, 2012
3:36 pm
Kamchak – “Socialism” is just a code word for “fear,” the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
You must have missed Bloomberg pronouncement 57(a)(iii)- no blog names greater than 52 characters.
Please pay your fine and, have a drink of a big gulp after that big mac, and cease and desist.
By the way there is a difference in caring for the health of people v. caring for the medical professionals who provide the care to those who you care for under your bed while you are scared
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
3:39 pm
Thulsa Doom
June 17th, 2012
3:31 pm
That about sums it up. I wonder if he had health insurance? I’ll bet he didn’t and he would be one of the ones cited as being a victim of no health insurance.
Oblama
June 17th, 2012
3:40 pm
Doom – King also beat up his girl friend and put her in a coma in intensive care for which he spent a year in prison.. No one that I have read of ever considered him to be a hero. He was a tool for a cause.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
June 17th, 2012
3:40 pm
You must have missed Bloomberg pronouncement 57(a)(iii)- no blog names greater than 52 characters.
You must have missed the part where Bloomberg has no official capacity in this small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns.
Oblama
June 17th, 2012
3:45 pm
Socialist Democratic Party = SDP = current leader – Obama.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
3:53 pm
The Washington Times
Thursday, June 14, 2012
The next time President Obama hits the links, it will be his 100th round of golf since coming to the White House. That’s quite a milestone in just 3 1/2 years. As it takes him about six hours to drive to the greens and complete 18 holes, Mr. Obama has spent the equivalent of four months’ worth of work time golfing. Meanwhile, the U.S. economy has been stuck in a sand trap.
Before Mr. Obama teed off for the first time as president, he delivered a State of the Union address that promised his new stimulus bill would “save or create 3.5 million jobs.” At that time, February 2009, unemployment was 8.3 percent and the debt was $10.8 trillion. He kicked off the golf streak on April 26, 2009, and he played a total of 27 rounds in his first year.
When he returned to the Capitol the following year, he stood in front of then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi with unemployment at 9.7 percent. He asked the Democratic Congress for a second stimulus and an overhaul of the health care system, and Congress obliged. Mr. Obama also said he would freeze government spending for three years, starting in 2011, but that idea got lost in the woods during the 31 golf games he played in 2010, using his personalized “44” Titleist balls, which remind haughty caddies he’s the 44th president.
By the time Mr. Obama gave his annual address to Congress in 2011, he was standing in front of new House Speaker John A. Boehner, brought in during the Republicans’ midterm wave. Unemployment was still at a high 9.1 percent. Mr. Obama announced, “This is our generation’s Sputnik moment” and demanded more money be spent. The debt hit $14 trillion.
Last year, the number of Mr. Obama’s golf outings rose to 33, and many turned out to be memorable. He was on the green on May 1, 2011, when the Navy SEALs were en route to Pakistan, cutting his game to nine holes to hear of their successful mission against Osama bin Laden. Mr. Obama’s golf partners included Mr. Boehner, former President Bill Clinton and Vice President Joseph R. Biden, who got asked to tag along with the boss four times in 2011.
By the time Mr. Obama gave this year’s State of the Union address, he had 93 golf games on his scorecard. Unemployment was 8.3 percent, having never gone below 8 percent in his presidency. He took no responsibility for the $15.2 trillion debt or the nation’s credit-rating downgrade. Instead, he called for higher taxes and the “Buffett rule” while hosting the billionaire’s secretary in his guest box for the speech.
Mr. Obama had no sense of the inappropriateness of playing 99 rounds of golf while 99 percent of the country couldn’t even afford the cost or time to go once. Now he wants a second term to finish what he started. After the 100th round, voters may want to think twice about giving him a mulligan.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
June 17th, 2012
3:55 pm
Ooohhh, citing the Moonie Times!
Cool beans!
Bernie
June 17th, 2012
3:56 pm
Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it) @ 11:34 am – Thanks for the laugh! LOL! ROFL! LMFAO! that was a great piece of writing! LOL! rofl!
josef
June 17th, 2012
3:56 pm
Looks like that one’s been hashed and warmed over for the umpteenth time. That’s a good thing. It means there’s nothing much of any great earth-shattering significance going on.
Hope everybody had as good a Father’s Day as we did.
josef
June 17th, 2012
4:00 pm
BERNIE
You would think that. That’s why the next time you get into an ideological tussle with the REAL Du-k-sha-nee on here, I’ll be rolling on the floor…
Thulsa Doom
June 17th, 2012
4:03 pm
Good grief, Rodney King robbed a bank and also beat his girlfriend into a coma? Sheesh! I was only referring to all the drunk and DUI episodes. Holy sheet the man has a rap sheet a mile long and several of his offenses consist of beating up woman, threatening them, etc. Looks like stands for decibels and others are going to have to find a new hero.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/179522/20110713/rodney-king-dui-arrest-record-lapd.htm
Brosephus™
June 17th, 2012
4:04 pm
Mighty Eighty
You’re blazing straw with the Dillon Aero M134 mini-gun today. Care to show where I even insinuated something remotely close to your 2:48 post? My post was merely to point out the fact that the only people who receive government run healthcare is the military and the high office holders in DC. Even federal employees use there government funded insurance from private sector providers in non-government run hospitals. Therefore, the whole notion of government run healthcare is baloney enough to make Oscar Mayer green with envy.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
June 17th, 2012
4:04 pm
That’s why the next time you get into an ideological tussle with the REAL Du-k-sha-nee on here, I’ll be rolling on the floor…
Kinda like the way that I do when you interact with his third persona.
Bernie
June 17th, 2012
4:06 pm
Mighty Righty @ 3:53 pm – Presdient Obama can play as much Golf as he wants too!
After dealing with such haters like you…he deserves so much more. Happy Father’s Day President OBAMA, you are far better example than many of the people who have written such hateful and mean spirited comments here.
josef
June 17th, 2012
4:06 pm
K’Chak
Third one? Now you’ve piqued my interest. I’m going to have to figure that one out! And, no doubt. The boy do have his personae…and as you know, I do like gettin’ got in these things…
josef
June 17th, 2012
4:08 pm
BROSEPHUS
Were your ears burning yesterday?
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
June 17th, 2012
4:09 pm
josef
I’m not 100% sure, but I got an inkling.
stands for decibels
June 17th, 2012
4:13 pm
Thulsa, if you can read what I posted and interpret that as my regarding the man as a “hero” you’re even more screwed up than I imagined.
But I don’t think you believe that; I think you’re just bored and trolling again.
Anyway, I got fadduh’s day to enjoy here at Stately sfd Manor. Later, kids.
josef
June 17th, 2012
4:13 pm
K’CHAK
Yeah, there are a couple that I wonder about whether they are or not. The only way i was able to figure this one out was that he forgot to change his screen name a few times. It took me by surprise because he was pretty low on the list of who I would have thought.
Brosephus™
June 17th, 2012
4:14 pm
josef
I was too busy to notice.
What has our thought process devolved into when simply hoping that a troubled soul can finally rest in peace? I’m guessing that you stone casters have committed no sin.
josef
June 17th, 2012
4:17 pm
BROSEPHUS
Yeah, I know the second part of that post was not directed to me! And I’m like you on that. I guess it’s just the way I was raised, but at least let the body get cold. And whatever else may be said about him, a troubled soul is an apt one.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
June 17th, 2012
4:18 pm
What has our thought process devolved into when simply hoping that a troubled soul can finally rest in peace?
Just more strawmen.
Don't Forget
June 17th, 2012
4:19 pm
Pro Euro party wins in Greece. That should calm the markets for a little while.
JamVet
June 17th, 2012
4:22 pm
The worst of the pitiless, self-righteous neocons don’t mind seeing other Americans die. And the details and human stories therein are fairly meaningless to them.
Getalife noted it long ago and I absolutely concur.
They lack this gene…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C8V5Ia-XOU
getalife
June 17th, 2012
4:28 pm
The cons dna has many defects.
The honesty gene is not there and they run away from the truth and live in a make believe world.
Very sad to read their lies.
Thulsa Doom
June 17th, 2012
4:29 pm
Brocephus,
We’ve all committed sin- just not on the scale of Mr. King. I’ll reserve my rest in peace offerings to more worthy people who don’t spend their entire lives beating on women, threatening them, and mainly just causing mayhem and committing crimes left and right.
And FWIW part of the whole problem with the non-judgementally chic attitude of the far left is that it just excuses the behavior of crappy people as opposed to demanding better behavior of them. Is it any wonder we have such a litany of anti-social behavior amongst so many people and especially young people today with this no judgement attitude of people on the left?
getalife
June 17th, 2012
4:32 pm
Mr. King was doing well and speaking out against his disease of addiction.
I was hoping he would make it.
Very sad.
JamVet
June 17th, 2012
4:32 pm
Me? I’ve never committed any egregious sins.
Well, there was that one time in Tampa. Oh yeah… and that time in…
LOL.
To all the fathers…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGLuLTw7Tkk
Brosephus™
June 17th, 2012
4:33 pm
Kam
There must have been one hell of a sale on straw this weekend.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 17th, 2012
4:35 pm
Moving the goalpost alert!
“excus[ing] the behavior of crappy people” now equates to bestowing hero status.
getalife
June 17th, 2012
4:36 pm
Come on Junior.
He can win this race.
Thomas
June 17th, 2012
4:36 pm
You must have missed the part where Bloomberg has no official capacity in this small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns.
Not missed and amen to that. I suppose the folks there never heard of Sonny Perdue Chicken either
Thomas
June 17th, 2012
4:39 pm
Greeks Favor Pro-Europe Party in Vote for Parliament
All right Mr. Bookman- you are on the clock. Please do share your informed view of the impact of this incredible event on the US politics and the markets………go-
Thomas
June 17th, 2012
4:39 pm
Greeks Favor Pro-Europe Party in Vote for Parliament
All right Mr. Bookman- you are on the clock. Please do share your informed view of the impact of this incredible event on the US politics and the markets………go-