Bill Kristol offers solution: Yep, you guessed it
War.
Whatever the problem, the ever-eager Bill Kristol believes that other people dying can solve it. The ardent cheerleader of our invasion of Iraq, where more than 4,400 U.S. soldiers died for a cause yet to reveal itself, now champions that same “solution” for Iran, a much more difficult problem. And in a piece in the Weekly Standard, complete with requisite Churchill quote, he and co-author Jamie Fly argue that if President Obama doesn’t do it, Congress should intervene:
Bill Kristol
“President Obama says a nuclear Iran is unacceptable. The real and credible threat of force is probably the last hope of persuading the Iranian regime to back down. So: Isn’t it time for the president to ask Congress for an Authorization for Use of Military Force against Iran’s nuclear program?
Instead of running away from it, administration officials could be putting the military option front and center and ensuring it is seen as viable. And if the administration flinches, Congress could consider passing such an authorization anyway. While any commander in chief has the constitutional authority to take urgent action to protect Americans and their interests, such legislation would give weight to the president’s commitment to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. It would strengthen the president’s hand. It would show Tehran that America’s policy of preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon is a credible one. Bipartisan support for such an authorization would remove the issue as much as possible from the turmoil of election year politics. And the authorization could also make clear that the United States would come to Israel’s aid in the event that it decides it needs to take action….
We don’t expect the Obama administration to request an Authorization for Use of Military Force. But Congress can act without such a request. By doing so, it would serve the nation’s interest, and, indeed, the administration’s, if the administration means what it says.
Surely it is time for a concentration of congressional opinion and force capable of lifting our efforts to the level of emergency. The Obama administration may be committed to leading from behind, but Congress can choose to lead from the front.
– Jay Bookman
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Mike
June 16th, 2012
10:12 pm
With the two wars winding down, the military industrial complex is in a panic. John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Joe Lieberman, and now Billy Kristol (since Lieberman is retiring), are on the hunt for ongoing business (the next war).
bluecoat
June 16th, 2012
10:14 pm
Amen Recon–Like sarcasm about mexican drug cartel.Some think to launder money/use their drugs just a joke.Need do own research.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 16th, 2012
10:20 pm
Some think to launder money/use their drugs just a joke.
“Some” think that you are just a joke.
Just sayin’.
Steve
June 16th, 2012
10:41 pm
Just wait until October and you may see the D.A.N. (C.I.C) call for an engagement in Iran in hopes of bolstering his re-election chances. He be da fool, just like you be da fool.
j$
June 16th, 2012
10:45 pm
What happened with the Dems showing the caskets coming home every day???
Seems they forgot to count 4 years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi06TWlKeHc
little a-holes.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 16th, 2012
10:48 pm
What happened with the Dems showing the caskets coming home every day???
What happened with, the smoking gun is the mushroom cloud?
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 16th, 2012
10:55 pm
Do y’all REALLY want to send our young men & women to fight and die in yet another war which only benefits the one percenters?
lynnie gal
June 16th, 2012
11:04 pm
Bill Kristol seems to forget that the President is Commander in Chief of the military and Congress does not direct the military, thank god. Otherwise we would be in a new war every other week.
j$
June 16th, 2012
11:28 pm
Kamchack:
find a ride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQTuYo6HmiQ
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 16th, 2012
11:33 pm
Yes, Lynnie Gal, we should “be very afraid.” And if that is not bad enough, the Vatican is going after the NUNS. I do not know how to even articulate what is wrong with that picture! Okay, I could go on a rant here, but I will refrain for now. Will just throw this out: pedophile priests vs nuns working for social justice ???? That church left me long, long ago.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 16th, 2012
11:41 pm
Jay, you must have a VERY short memory….I believe NObama said “The first thing I will do as President is bring our troops home”…..Did he mean in a 2nd term?
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 17th, 2012
12:22 am
No, mmm, you have not been paying attention. Our president brought home most, if not sadly all, of the troops from Iraq. I could go on here, but it is late, time for sleep, and I know there is no hope of opening your closed mind.
bluecoat
June 17th, 2012
1:02 am
Consider the source.Thug”No joke there”.
Just saying
DBCOOPER
June 17th, 2012
1:34 am
4,400 died Iraq. Yes you Dumba$$! They did and it has revealed itself. Last time I looked Sadam Hussein was hanged. The held FREE elections in Iraq since who knows when.
It’s DumbA$$ like you that are quick to point out that our soldiers sacrificed for nothing! Let me tell you something Dumbas$$ they didn’t die for nothing. Their country called them to fight for a cause that we have enpowered our leaders to decide the worthiness. Congress passed the resolutions to go to war in Iraq. No Bill Kristol you Dumba$$ check your history. OBTW Hilary Clinton voted for it.
You are a sad excuse for a writer and a sad little Air Farce brat that’s disgruntled that Obama is going to get his A$$ kicked in November. But to suggest our troops died for nothing, only proves your a hack.
@Saywhat?
June 17th, 2012
3:22 am
If President Bush did not change tax rates for high income earners in 2001/2003, according to the CBO, we’d still be $3T short. Do your math.
GB
June 17th, 2012
6:51 am
Mr. Bookman:
Look at your archives. Years ago you wrote an editorial critical of the invasion of Iraq. Among the reasons was this one: using our resources to wage war in Iraq diminished our military’s ability to confront the real threat, Iran.
Is Iran less of a threat now than then?
Willis
June 17th, 2012
7:34 am
Not surprising since the President was forced to produce his birth certificate to prove he is an American. Now, show us the authorization so we will know the President really is serious about Iran.
What an idiot.
Jack
June 17th, 2012
7:47 am
A nuclear Iran is not acceptable. Bomb them back into the 12th century.
marko
June 17th, 2012
7:58 am
There was a time when Republicans hated wars. They feared the taxes required to support such foolish endeavors. The new bunch have found out that you don’t pay for wars. You borrow from foreign countries. If the debt ceiling gets too high, just refuse to pay it.
Still it’s not a bad idea to keep the Iranians from gaining nukes. there are enough crazy people with bombs and guns as it is.
carlosgvv
June 17th, 2012
8:06 am
Jack – 7:47
The Muslim leaders of Iran already have a 12th century mentality. Unfortunately, they are gaining access to 21st centruy weapons. That is a disasterous mix and, in the end, I suspect they will get the bomb, attack Israel, and Israel will bomb them and the rest of the middle-east Islamic world back to the stone age.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
8:06 am
An excellent article in Forbes on how the Obama controlled press has distorted Obama’s spending. The article debunks the lie being told as recently as two weeks ago that Obama spent less than money than previous presidents. The white house is desperate to conceal the truth of its own record which is plain to see.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/06/14/president-obama-the-biggest-government-spender-in-world-history/
Happy Father's Day
June 17th, 2012
8:09 am
to all of the fathers..enjoy your day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhaZU-ZjUI8
JamVet
June 17th, 2012
8:10 am
Fortunately, the courage from afar neocons and Republican chickenhawks had their balls cut off in 2008, and now the only thing that they can do is to show up on blogs in anonymous fashion and act like big tough guys.
Unfortunately it was because their gutless, elected heroes in the previous administration were so deadly, immoral, lawless and incompetent.
Tragically the GOP has proven itself to be the most dangerous organization on the planet. FAR greater a threat to American lives that any Muslim group.
So, what we see here are the mini-me versions of draft dodging cowards like Geroge W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Bill Kristol, Rush Limbaugh, Saxby Chambless and now, Flip Romney. Like DB who pays empty, meaningless lip service to those thousands of broken and ruined American families and maimed veterans, but probably could give a flying ____ about any of them. And who spit and spew their hatred and bloodlust, much of it in the name of Jesus that they have perverted, but cannot do a damn thing about it except grow old and very bitter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szdKx9O31A0
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
8:16 am
Jay, you must have a VERY short memory….I believe NObama said “The first thing I will do as President is bring our troops home”…..Did he mean in a 2nd term?
Sorry, had to butt in. I believe you hit the nail on the head. I thnik Obama did mean second term because he has spent the entire first term campaigning for a second term. He did take time out from not doing his job to play golf more than 100 times, SO FAR! But then, he is our self appointed Emperor and part of the hated one percent
The Journey
June 17th, 2012
8:19 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amv5UmSB2Bg
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
8:23 am
Please tell us which branch of our armed forces Emperor Obama served in?
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
8:26 am
I think he served in the Acorn Army.
marko
June 17th, 2012
8:29 am
Enter your comments here
Brosephus™
June 17th, 2012
8:37 am
The article debunks the lie being told as recently as two weeks ago that Obama spent less than money than previous presidents.
Well, when you start off with a lie, it’s not hard to debunk it. The TRUE storyline was that spending increases have been smaller under Obama than previous presidents. If people would actually pay attention to what is said as opposed to what they thought was said, then these lies would not have to be debunked in the first place.
JamVet
June 17th, 2012
8:40 am
Being a neocon has got to be a nightmare.
If it was an R in the White House they would have gleefully supported every single foreign policy move made by the Republican-lite Obama – the Afghan surge, Libya, Gitmo, killing OBL, drone attacks and on and on.
But being the Uncle Sam-hating, anti-government, duplicitous, Party First, America Last cowards that they are, they have to pretend to hate every one of those things and sing a different song. As if they are a bunch of hippie peaceniks now.
Until he very day that another neocon sits in the West Wing. Then take a wild guess what their position on these matters will be?
The bottom line is that around the world and from sea to shining sea, intelligent people of conscience know, that no matter what the president does, they will be against it and him. period, End of story.
THAT is how much they hate him.
What a twisted group of screwups…
Skip
June 17th, 2012
8:40 am
If Romneys so hot why didn’t you run him last time?
kayaker 71
June 17th, 2012
8:44 am
JamVet, 8:40,
So, what’s your answer? After exhausting all diplomatic efforts with Iran, imposing all of the sanctions that we can pose and they still refuse to budge, what is your answer to this situation?
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
8:47 am
“He did take time out from not doing his job to play golf more than 100 times”
I wonder what his handicap is.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
8:50 am
The left really should stop using drugs at least long enough to be aware of who the president of the United States is. George W Bush is not our president. George W. Bush has not been our president since January of 2009. No matter what you think he did or didn’t do when he was president he can’t do it anymore. It doesn’t matter if he was a fighter pilot during the Viet Nam war. What matters now is we have the worst economic recovery in our history. We have the highest budget deficits in our history. We have the highest unemployment in our history. Over the last three years we have been paying the highest price for gasoline in our history. There are more people on welefare, on food stamps and in poverty than at any time in our history. Our healthcare costs have syrocketed. The middle east is falling apart. Egypt just replaced a friendly government with a sworn enemy of the United States. Iran is about to if they haven’t already obtain a Nucleur Weapon. Syria is in a full fledged civil war. We have done nothing to solve our energy problems except use our scarce financial resources to pay off the current president’s political donors. We have a justice department that would rather sue our states than comply with the laws he swore to uphold. We have a justice department who is directly responsible for the death of and american citizen and hundeds of Mexican citizens. We are up to our eyeballs in Afghanistan with no relief in site. The man presently in the white house has chosen to ignore all of these problems and focus instead on making himself king not subject to our laws. You can blame the cause of some of these problems on George W Bush, but many of them are unique to this president. Regardless of who may have caused some of these problems, Obama was elected to fix the problems and the fact is he hasn’t . Not only has he not fixed the problems the problems are no worse. Put your drugs away. Wake up. Smell the stench eminating from this white house.
Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it
June 17th, 2012
8:51 am
Happy Father’s Day, all y’all…let’s take a moment to remember all those military fathers who are away showing the flag across the world. May The Maker keep them all safe and fill our leaders with the compassion to bring them home soon.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
8:52 am
Orange 12
June 17th, 2012
8:47 am
I wonder what his handicap is.
Based on what I have seen, his handicap is his swing.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
8:56 am
Brosephus™
You are sort of correct, I did use the wrong term. However if you bother to read the article I referenced you will find your statement is also incorrect.
Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it
June 17th, 2012
8:59 am
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
8:50 am
Mighty,
I, for one, am tired of hearing that BS. G.W. Bush and his cronies nearly ruined this country and President Obama has had absolutely no help from the GOP to rectify the problems. Remember…Our number one priority is to make Obama a one term President….That doesn’t sound like help is on the way to me.
The GOP only cares about getting the Presidency back and doesn’t care how they do it. They would rather be in charge, even if they are in charge of a country in ruins.
So quit with the right wing talking points, and start thinking for yourself for a change, or you may get exactly what you are asking for and then it will be too late and you will feel…duped….geez!
Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it
June 17th, 2012
9:02 am
“Please tell us which branch of our armed forces Emperor Obama served in?”
What about Mitt…five deferments in seven years during Viet Nam…A real warrior there, I tell you.
“What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander”… Double geez…
stands for decibels
June 17th, 2012
9:04 am
mornin’.
Since nobody else appears to have mentioned it…
complete with requisite Churchill quote
heh. indeedy.
stands for decibels
June 17th, 2012
9:08 am
I hope some of you Libs here will do the country a favor and stay home this November.
[...]
You Libs better save some
[...]
The left really should stop using drugs
Hey, guys, really, thanks for those helpful suggestions.
I’d offer some suggestions for what y’all can do as well, but last time I did Jay dang near red-carded me.
stands for decibels
June 17th, 2012
9:09 am
let’s take a moment to remember all those military fathers who are away showing the flag across the world. May The Maker keep them all safe and fill our leaders with the compassion to bring them home soon.
Amen.
stands for decibels
June 17th, 2012
9:10 am
five deferments in seven years during Viet Nam…
Those Frenchies’ souls weren’t going to save themselves.
Don't Forget
June 17th, 2012
9:21 am
Brocephus – If people would actually pay attention to what is said as opposed to what they thought was said, then these lies would not have to be debunked in the first place.
Yup, the lying strawman.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
9:21 am
Normal, Human Rights
The right wing talking points. as you describe them, are the uncomfortable facts that this president has been a failure. The president and his henchmen know the truth even if you refuse to accept it which is why they are running around like chickens who have lost their heads trying, trying to find somtehing that will resonate with the voters to save this presidency. They darn sure don’t want to talk about the economy, just as you don’t. The economy tells the truth. As far as wanting this president to be a one termer, yes I want him to be a one term president. If it was up to me he would have been a no term president. In my opinion, his goal is to destroy capitalism and free enterprise and turn this country into a Marxist Socialist state. So yes, I am opposed to this president I want Obama out of office before he can do any more damage to our system. George Bush did not destroy this economy and I challenge you to show that he did. The economic problems of the “Socialist” erozone states are far worse than ours and the last I checked George Bush was not the president of the eurozone. I you think Marist redistribution of wealth is the way to go then Obama is your man. If you think the government should control everything you do, fromthe food that they will let you eat to whether it is worthm it to the government to pay for your health need, then Obama is your man. I don’t believe in any of that crap and he is not my choice to run this country.
independent thinker
June 17th, 2012
9:32 am
Bill Kristo; is an absolute moron and idiot who is always trying to ensure that the military industrial complex is well funded. That stupid grin of his says it all. His military service??? He wants a serial draft dodger who comes from a family of combat evaders ( including father in WWII) to manage a war that will kill thousands of other people’s sons. Anybody who listens to him as George W. did is an absolute fool. The US and Israelhave been continuously involved in joint exercises to cripple the Iranian computer system -successfully. Of course Mr. Kristol would prefer dead American bodies on the ground as long as it is not his or his family’s.
Whirled Peas
June 17th, 2012
9:33 am
Bookman and his liberal friends have their heads up their asses so far that they cannot see daylight. They think that something less than force will cause Iran to give up its nuclear ambitions. They are the same people who think the answer to our $16 trillion debt is more government spending.
Recon 0311 2533
June 17th, 2012
9:35 am
Happy Fathers day…good post Normal @8:51.
Milo83
June 17th, 2012
9:36 am
If it was an R in the White House they would have gleefully supported every single foreign policy move made by the Republican-lite Obama – the Afghan surge, Libya, Gitmo, killing OBL, drone attacks and on and on.
The Afghan surge — No
Libya — No
Gitmo — Yes
Killing OBL — Yes
Drone attacks — Yes
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
9:37 am
I hate to do this but in self defense for the ones implying I have been dishonest, here:
The U.S. has never before had a President who thinks so little of the American people that he imagines he can win re-election running on the opposite of reality. But that is the reality of President Obama today.
Waving a planted press commentary, Obama recently claimed on the campaign stump, “federal spending since I took office has risen at the slowest pace of any President in almost 60 years.”
Peggy Noonan aptly summarized in last weekend’s Wall Street Journal the take away by the still holding majority of Americans living in the real world:
“There is, now, a house-of-cards feel about this administration. It became apparent some weeks ago when the President talked on the stump – where else? – about an essay by a fellow who said spending growth [under Obama] is actually lower than that of previous Presidents. This was startling to a lot of people, who looked into it and found the man had left out most spending from 2009, the first year of Mr. Obama’s Presidency. People sneered: The President was deliberately using a misleading argument to paint a false picture! But you know, why would he go out there waiving an article that could immediately be debunked? Maybe because he thought it was true. That’s more alarming, isn’t it, the idea that he knows so little about the effects of his own economic program that he thinks he really is a low spender.”
What this shows most importantly is that the recognition is starting to break through to the general public regarding the President’s rhetorical strategy that I’ve have been calling Calculated Deception. The latter is deliberately using a misleading argument to paint a false picture. That has been a central Obama practice not only throughout his entire presidency, but also as the foundation of his 2008 campaign strategy, and actually throughout his whole career.
Rest assured, Ms. Noonan, that the President is not as nuts as he may seem at times. He knows very well that he is not a careful spender. His whole mission is to transform the U.S. not into a Big Government country, but a Huge Government country, because only a country run by a Huge Government can be satisfactorily controlled by superior, all wise and beneficent individuals like himself. That is why he is at minimum a Swedish socialist, if not worse. Notice, though, how far behind the times he and his weak minded supporters are, as even the Swedes have abandoned Swedish socialism as a failure.
Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it
June 17th, 2012
9:38 am
Righty,
All the economy shows is a lack of willingness of the GOP to provide jobs. Infrastructure alone would provide enough jobs to move the economy in the right direction….but that would make President Obama look good and we can’t have that now, can we? Like I said, start thinking for yourself and you will see the lies behind the GOP myth. Only two kinds of Republicans…the rich and the duped. Are you rich, Righty?
fair and balanced
June 17th, 2012
9:41 am
At least Obama respected the dead from our two wars that the neocons started without killing any top terrorists by going to Dover an greeting the dead and their families. How many times did Bush, Cheney, Kristol, Rove or the rest of that bunch do that?????? And they coverfed up any pictures. Why? d
JamVet
June 17th, 2012
9:42 am
So, what’s your answer?
Exactly, what we are doing. Watch them like a hawk.
Understand that these new age, always frightened McCarthyites have been crying about the bomb for fifty years straight now.
First it was the Soviets, then the Red Chinese, then India, then Pakistan, then North Korea.
Wake up! The “severely conservative” had their chance to demonstrate statesmanship and effective governance! And all they did was sh*t the bed for eight straight years – the Reign of Error. In foreign policy, domestic policy, social policy, environmental polity and certainly in fiscal policy.
In fact, can any of you misnamed conservatives tell me one single area where your boys were not a complete disaster?
Just one.
And now after the ungodly damage has been done – at home and abroad, especially in the Middle East – you are just now starting to make the first murmurs to even acknowledge this.
The neocons lost all credibility when they elected the (W)orst Ever. Twice. And to this very day, you still give him very high marks. Explain that one to me, please.
And Americans like me will do our damnedest to ensure that the fake conservatives do not get yet another chance to wreck wholesale devastation in this country again during our lifetimes.
Nor to watch endless flag covered caskets come home, just so you can feel better about yourselves.
It’s just not worth it.
jonix’s theme song last weekend…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIoKr9VDg3A
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 17th, 2012
9:43 am
Heuvel looks like an alien
Too much plastic surgery
She’s sick in the head
Don't Forget
June 17th, 2012
9:45 am
The REAL reason Wall Street hates Obama,
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47848256
Milo83
June 17th, 2012
9:47 am
Infrastructure usually runs over budget, the employment temporary.
Thomas
June 17th, 2012
9:48 am
From the AJC
Public ‘in the dark’ on T-SPLOST $1B
Bookman- you are big proponent- maybe you and other folks at the AJC should coordinate an opinion.
If corporations aren’t “people” then how are they taxed? What is the square root of three? Always remember my rose colored (excuse me lead covered) glass friends- Obama has spent less than any sitting, standing, or crawling President. It is true because I read it somewhere.
Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it
June 17th, 2012
9:55 am
Jamvet,
Good logical reasoning there, but a waste of time to the no thinking parrots here. I truly can’t believe that if they would only take the time to think it through, they’d see the light. Anyway…
I’m off to the lake, big “surprise” Father’s Day get together coming up…. Have a great day all y’all…
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
9:58 am
The GOP approved more than three trillion dollars for Obama to spend. They approved the TARP. They approved the “Stimulous”. After three trillion dollars of money borrowed from China being pis_ed away by Obama on his silly green jobs and other useless programs they gave up. Now are you so dim witted you think that an infrastructure program at this late date will help Obama get reelected? Infrastructure spending would have had to have been passed two or three years ago by the Democrat controlled congress to help employment today. It takes government years to get an infrastructure project approved by the E.P.A. for goodness sakes. I will refrain from making remarks about the Democrat myth about about being a party for the working class.
JamVet
June 17th, 2012
10:04 am
If corporations aren’t “people” then how are they taxed?
Wow. A new angle by the sovereignty sell outs.
“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”
So can any of your constitutional scholars (Where’s Dave R when we need him? Oh that’s right, he was so incessantly juvenile that he got himself banned. LOL!) show us non-scholars where it says anything about people in that Amendment?
And your beloved “people”? Talk about one helluva racket!
They take endless handouts, giveaways, bailouts, subsidies and pay back a fraction of their share. And then get dolts like you to endlessly b*tch on their behalf!
Amazing. That you actually work against the REAL people in your families, communities and nation…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAp4pXxUPuA
Milo83
June 17th, 2012
10:06 am
A Maryland man faces trial in a $9.1 million fraud case that is shedding light on problems in a renewable energy credits program run by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
Government screwing up the liberals’ wet dream.
Recon 0311 2533
June 17th, 2012
10:09 am
There are 30 jobs bills that have passed the House and now sit gathering dust in Harry Reid’s Democrat controlled Senate. It’s not the Republicans making the president look bad it’s Obama himself along with Congressional Democrats making him look bad. BTW Mighty Righty good post and spot on. It is scary when a sitting president takes a story that was debunked and none the less still attempts using it to dupe the American people.
JamVet
June 17th, 2012
10:10 am
Thanks, brother Normal. Enjoy.
Took my mom and big bro up to Lanier last week.
Alas, no lazing for me today. The garage needs my attention. Desperately…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIKsHh3BFPI
Thomas
June 17th, 2012
10:16 am
Jamvet- thank for the worthless diatribe- said tongue and cheek to earlier blogger.
You are truly a cougar waiting to pounce.
Here is another one- stop blogging and go help someone.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
10:17 am
Jamvet
For your enlightenment here is a site that liss severl hundred Bush accomplishments for your perusal. I would like to point out one which Democrats strangely object while supporting the unaffordable Obamacare Act. Medicare which helps more people than probably any other government program besides social security. In addition, “He Did Get Saddam Hussein”!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1990856/posts
Dirty Dawg
June 17th, 2012
10:17 am
Dear old Bill, he still thinks that his ‘discovery’ of Sarah Palin while on that Republican Alaskan cruise back in ‘08 was a good thing…wonder if it was in her room or his?
Thomas
June 17th, 2012
10:18 am
btw- in the process of employing 40, mainly disabled, vets with full benefits in Sept- you?
Bruno
June 17th, 2012
10:18 am
The U.S. has never before had a President who thinks so little of the American people that he imagines he can win re-election running on the opposite of reality. But that is the reality of President Obama today.
Mighty Righty–Seems to me that there is a strong parallel to the US over in Greece, where voters today will be given the choice between getting their financial house in order and total disaster based on a bunch of pipe dreams.
http://news.yahoo.com/greeks-vote-critical-election-042835081.html
From the article:
“Greece voted Sunday amid global fears that victory by parties that have vowed to cancel the country’s international bailout agreements and accompanying austerity measures could undermine the European Union’s joint currency and pitch the world’s major economies into another sharp downturn.
For Greeks, it is the second national election in six weeks and arguably the most critical in decades, reflecting political turmoil sparked by a two-year financial crisis that some fear could force the country to abandon the euro and return to its old currency, the drachma. That in turn would likely drag down other financially troubled countries and threaten the euro itself.
The last opinion polls published before a two-week pre-election ban showed the radical left Syriza party of Alexis Tsipras running neck-and-neck with the conservative New Democracy party of Antonis Samaras. But no party is likely to win enough votes to form a government on its own, meaning a coalition will have to be formed to avoid yet another election…….”
“Tsipras, a 37-year-old former student activist, has vowed to rip up Greece’s bailout agreements and repeal the austerity measures, which have included deep spending cuts on everything from health care to education and infrastructure, as well as tax hikes and reductions of salaries and pensions.
But his pledges, which include canceling planned privatizations, nationalizing banks and rolling back cuts to minimum wages and pensions, have horrified European leaders, as well as many Greeks. Tsipras’ opponents argue that the inexperienced young politician is out of touch with reality, and that his policies will force the country out of the euro and lead to poverty for years to come.”
Bruno
June 17th, 2012
10:22 am
Sow how about it, Libs?? Are we going to continue going down the road to financial ruin led by a “former student activist” an “inexperienced young politician (who) is out of touch with reality”??
Thomas
June 17th, 2012
10:31 am
Unfortunately Bruno, from my (worthless chair) I don’t see much on the other side. I am constantly amazed at the leftist who still to this day really hate Reagan and the righties who truly hate Clinton. Say what you want, but at least they passed the bar of being leaders.
I am bitter about the enabling media from both sides who wake up each day simply to hate a large group of Americans.
Corey
June 17th, 2012
10:33 am
bronson
June 16th, 2012
11:41 am
Bronson, let’s do lunch.
carlosgvv
June 17th, 2012
10:34 am
Recon 10:09
All politicians, both Democrats and Republicans, strive to get elected and re-elected. And yet, you believe that Harry Reid and the rest of the Senate’s Democrats are deliberately sitting on bills that, if passed, would help the President. And this in an election year.
If you want to be taken seriously here, at least learn the basics of how politics works in America.
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
10:34 am
Bruno
Thanks. It is concerning to me how out of touch many are with the financial issues facing this country as demonstrated by many of the posts we see on this page every day. This is no time for our nation to be lead by a neophyte. I don’t know if Romney is the answer, but I do know Obama is not. The ignorant want us to adopt the European Socialist economy in spite of the proof that it is not as good as what we have had. Hopefully Romney will surround himself with wise advisors as opposed to the Marxist idealogues that advise Obama.
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 17th, 2012
10:39 am
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-14/indians-grow-weary-of-socialism-in-the-skies.html
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 17th, 2012
10:43 am
Bruno
If Obama is re-elected we will very possibly end up like the grekels
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
10:43 am
“All politicians, both Democrats and Republicans, strive to get elected and re-elected. And yet, you believe that Harry Reid and the rest of the Senate’s Democrats are deliberately sitting on bills that, if passed, would help the President. And this in an election year”
The problem with the above argument is the President and the Democrats are not running on their own record. Their record is abysmal and they know it. They are running on the idea that the Republicans are obstructing their genius president and them from saving the nation. Their reelection is dependant on convincing an uninformed electorate that everything is the Republicans fault even though they have the power to fix it. It is apparent from the above comment it is working, at least with some.
JamVet
June 17th, 2012
10:54 am
Righty, obviously you have so little conviction, that you won’t even post any.
That pretty much says it all.
So the Republicans are the ones to straighten out this gawdawful mess, Bruno?
The mess they helped orchestrate? The neocons came within an eyelash of allowing this republic to be hijacked by a relatively tiny number of men and sent careening straight into a Second Great Depression.
And the devastation will take many years to recover from. Look no furhter than the suburban, bedroom communities of Atlanta.
Look at the facts – together, the little men in the Tweedledee Party and the Tweedledum Party have been bribed into implementing the ongoing destruction of the working class in this country.
And you people act as if this is the proper and natural evolution of American capitalism.
It is not. It is perverted and pernicious. And it should never have happened.
And every policy the duopoly concocts drives wages down even further. For real people, I mean. As the horribly misguided worship at the feet of the now enthroned corporations.
No thanks.
Back to the garage.
For Bruno…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zx4i_cNJmU
Mighty Righty
June 17th, 2012
11:03 am
JamVet
As a self appointed financial genuis, why don’t you tell us an economic system that is better than ours. Please let us know which countries you prefer to ours. While you are at it explain why the fact the United States was, and still is the most financially successful country in the history of the world.
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 17th, 2012
11:06 am
Mighty righty
Singapore
Lower tax rates, business friendly regulation
But of the large countries, USA, unbeatable
USMC
June 17th, 2012
11:06 am
“Bill Kristol offers solution: Yep, you guessed it”–JAY BOOKMAN
Another ANTISEMITIC article from Jay Bookman.
Jay is a Mental Midget when compared to Bill Kristol.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 17th, 2012
11:06 am
Peggy Noonan aptly…
There’s your sign.
Don't Forget
June 17th, 2012
11:08 am
Bruno,
During the R’s primary debates, the candidates were asked whether they would accept a deal that included one dollar in tax increases for every 10 dollars in budget cuts and NO candidate raise their hands. During the debt ceiling debacle, the R’s backed out of an agreement when Obama insisted on one trillion revenue increases in exchange for 4 trillion in spending cuts. The Ryan plan which includes additional tax cuts for the highest income earners while imposing massive cuts in spending shows no evidence of balanced budgets in the foreseeable future if at all. What I hear from the R’s is just a healthy dose of rhetoric and pandering to their base. The same is largely true of the D’s with no specific plan being offered. This is the state of politics today and the reason why we continue to be plagued by the same problems. IMO, the side that deserves to win is the one that will offer a balanced credible plan to deal with these and other issues. But neither will because any plan that is offered will be pander to the respective constituency’s and will be attacked with false information that the press will not debunk but will merely cover the controversy and what both sides are saying. The facts seem to be viewed as unimportant.
BTW, did you ever find what programs Obama has enacted that explain the current high deficits? I looked for this myself and found an analysis that credited about 140 billion in annual expenditures. This does not include the one time stimulus. That’s not a small amount of money but it comes far short of explaining the increase in debt that he is blamed for by the right. In contrast, the cost of the Bush tax cuts has been well documented by Jay, as well as the medicare drug benefit and the ongoing cost of the wars. Neither side is blameless but both would like to portray themselves that way. To me, the debate seems to be whether to arrange the deck chairs on the starboard or the port side.
Don't Forget
June 17th, 2012
11:11 am
Carlos, the republican house will not act on proposals that might make Obama look good. The democratic senate will not act on bills that might make the republican house look good. Aint’t it grand?
Bruno
June 17th, 2012
11:25 am
Unfortunately Bruno, from my (worthless chair) I don’t see much on the other side. I am constantly amazed at the leftist who still to this day really hate Reagan and the righties who truly hate Clinton. Say what you want, but at least they passed the bar of being leaders.
Thomas–Like Mighty Righty @ 10:34, I’m not particularly singing the praises of Romney. I still haven’t figured out what his true motivations to run for office are, given that he’s already financially secure. I can only hope his motives are patriotic in origin, and it’s not all simply a bid for self-aggrandizement.
I am bitter about the enabling media from both sides who wake up each day simply to hate a large group of Americans.
I will agree with you that the one-sided reporting/commentary by Fox on the right and MCNBC/CNN etc on the left is tiresome and ultimately destructive to national cohesion. Which is why I watch almost none of it. But, please don’t tell the Libs that, since they can’t fathom that any Con actually forms their own opinions.
Edward
June 17th, 2012
11:29 am
There goes USMC, playing the Jew card, again. The only mental midget here is USMC and his ilk.
How are you going to pay for another war, dude? Are Romney’s kids going to enlist?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 17th, 2012
11:33 am
…since they can’t fathom that any Con actually forms their own opinions.
After that whining that you did the other day about handicapped parking, you have yet to show that you have any thinking abilities.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
June 17th, 2012
11:34 am
Well, Happy Fathers Day everybody. Mine started off just fine with a nice nap while the Rev. Postlewaite droned on. I sure wish the Rev. Jim Bob Buice never got hisself caught buck-nekkid with that buck-nekkid boy in the bushes. Now the state won’t even let him anywhere near kids much less a pulpit. Even tho it was all a innocent mistake.
Anyhow, it’s Fathers Day dinner for me and the missus and little Nathan Zell George down at Ryans today. I’ll pretend like the meal is on them tho they all know I’m the one that will wind up paying. When I think about it I got alot to be thankful for this Fathers Day. For some reason our two kids never done much. My girl runs around sleeping with everybody and at least my boy is staying out of prison these days. I don’t think he’s behaving any different, it’s just that he’s learned how not to get caught with the drugs. But at least I got a fine young grandson that lives with us.
And that’s the reason why I turned my buddy Jim Earl down flat when he said I ought to just turn pro and go on the golf tour. I shot a fine 78 yesterday but I told Jim Earl I couldn’t be away from home like these pros when I got a grandson to teach how to like NASCAR and use a chainsaw and all that stuff a fine redneck boy needs to learn. Besides, how would these pros make a living with me out there winning all the money?
Anyhow, it’s days like this that makes me wish my Daddy was still alive. Now I know good and well he wasn’t nothing but a old drunk that never hardly spent anytime with me, but you forget stuff like that on Fathers Day. If you got a Daddy that’s still alive spend some time with him or at least give him a call. I sure wish I could call mine.
Mr_B
June 17th, 2012
11:36 am
“This is no time for our nation to be lead by a neophyte.”
Only one candidate has as much experience in the job as any other candidate in US history, with the exception of Franklin Roosevelt.
Thanks for recognizing that fact, MR.
Matti
June 17th, 2012
11:37 am
JamVet: “Wake up! The “severely conservative” had their chance to demonstrate statesmanship and effective governance! And all they did was sh*t the bed for eight straight years – the Reign of Error. In foreign policy, domestic policy, social policy, environmental polity and certainly in fiscal policy.”
By their fruits we shall know them.
bluecoat
June 17th, 2012
11:39 am
We need pay for the last wars before we get in debt for another.I can see it now “Mission accomplished”
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
June 17th, 2012
11:40 am
RC
If you got a Daddy that’s still alive spend some time with him or at least give him a call. I sure wish I could call mine.
——————————-
Amen, Mine is too long distant to call also
Have a great Fathers Day all
catlady
June 17th, 2012
11:42 am
Put Kristol and all of his family between 18 and 70 on the front lines. Let them show us how to “get r done!” And, no, they cannot have “other priorities.”
Mr_B
June 17th, 2012
11:46 am
“Thomas–Like Mighty Righty @ 10:34, I’m not particularly singing the praises of Romney.”
That statement, Bruno, lies at the heart of the current Republican dilemma. The GOP has lost any vision of what it wants the country to be, and so fields a candidate whose only vision seems to be to become president. Even you guys can’t get all that excited about him.
Whether you recognize it or not, most voters recognize that things in this country are slowly getting better, and also the limitations that would confront any president, regardless of party.
They don’t blame the president for where we are now, because he didn’t create the conditions, and frankly, because they realize that he has had zero cooperation from the “loyal” opposition.
The best that Romney has to offer is “I’m not Barak Obama.” Ain’t nearly good enough.
Doggone/GA
June 17th, 2012
11:46 am
“Put Kristol and all of his family between 18 and 70 on the front lines”
And just exactly what does his family have to do with this?
JamVet
June 17th, 2012
11:51 am
Love that quote, Matti.
As a self appointed patriot, why don’t you tell us of a system of government – a democratic republic, a federal republic, a constitutional republic, parse it how you will – that is better than ours. Please let us know which form of government you prefer to ours. While you are at it explain why the fact the United States was, and still is the nation that provides the most freedom and liberty in the history of the world, Righty.
Mr_B
June 17th, 2012
11:53 am
“And just exactly what does his family have to do with this?”
As much as anybody else’s family does, including my young adult grand kids who would end up fighting Kristol’s war for him.
Doggone/GA
June 17th, 2012
11:55 am
“As much as anybody else’s family does, including my young adult grand kids who would end up fighting Kristol’s war for him”
And do you agree they should be forced to serve if YOU don’t?
PJ
June 17th, 2012
11:57 am
Rodney King, rest in Peace.
JamVet
June 17th, 2012
11:58 am
…why don’t you tell us an economic system that is better than ours.
The one we had up until the 1970s…(Thank you for nothing, Lewis Powell, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, William Clinton, et al.)
Back to the garden/garage…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3SjqGfe-yM
Matti
June 17th, 2012
11:59 am
“Can’t we all just get along?” — Rodney King 1965-2012