Bill Kristol offers solution: Yep, you guessed it
War.
Whatever the problem, the ever-eager Bill Kristol believes that other people dying can solve it. The ardent cheerleader of our invasion of Iraq, where more than 4,400 U.S. soldiers died for a cause yet to reveal itself, now champions that same “solution” for Iran, a much more difficult problem. And in a piece in the Weekly Standard, complete with requisite Churchill quote, he and co-author Jamie Fly argue that if President Obama doesn’t do it, Congress should intervene:
Bill Kristol
“President Obama says a nuclear Iran is unacceptable. The real and credible threat of force is probably the last hope of persuading the Iranian regime to back down. So: Isn’t it time for the president to ask Congress for an Authorization for Use of Military Force against Iran’s nuclear program?
Instead of running away from it, administration officials could be putting the military option front and center and ensuring it is seen as viable. And if the administration flinches, Congress could consider passing such an authorization anyway. While any commander in chief has the constitutional authority to take urgent action to protect Americans and their interests, such legislation would give weight to the president’s commitment to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. It would strengthen the president’s hand. It would show Tehran that America’s policy of preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon is a credible one. Bipartisan support for such an authorization would remove the issue as much as possible from the turmoil of election year politics. And the authorization could also make clear that the United States would come to Israel’s aid in the event that it decides it needs to take action….
We don’t expect the Obama administration to request an Authorization for Use of Military Force. But Congress can act without such a request. By doing so, it would serve the nation’s interest, and, indeed, the administration’s, if the administration means what it says.
Surely it is time for a concentration of congressional opinion and force capable of lifting our efforts to the level of emergency. The Obama administration may be committed to leading from behind, but Congress can choose to lead from the front.
– Jay Bookman
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Bernie
June 16th, 2012
1:38 pm
America, surely Bill is for sending all of your kids to fight and die for all of his crony friends. it doesn’t matter the location, just send them at the behest of the Corporate military Industrial complex. You must understand nothing can impede their ability to make a profit.
Even if it means spilling the blood of your own children for their cause and others benefit. You America will be the ones left with all of the horror and financial recovery in the wake of such an action. However none of his children, friends,family or associates children will be along side for that fight.
All of them will find more important endeavors to pursue as it was for the case of Mitt Romney and even his own Sons today!
getalife
June 16th, 2012
1:39 pm
mr,
I know you will ignore these facts:
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/orders/
Our President is way behind on the use of executive orders.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 16th, 2012
1:42 pm
You Libs better save some, you will be drowning your sorrows in Nov.
Whistling past the graveyard.
You were one of the sillies that predicted a continual rise in gasoline prices until it reached $5-6 a gallon by the time of the election.
No cred then, no cred now.
Bernie
June 16th, 2012
1:43 pm
Matti @11:48 I am with you 100% on that one. The breaking news 30 minutes after approval of such a plan, an acceptable resolution will be found!
Therefore there will be no need for such an action.
Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it
June 16th, 2012
1:44 pm
Didn’t I hear that Russia was sending troops to Syria? NATO can’t intervene if that’s true…what if Iran asks for Russian troops too?
FEAR (False Evidence Appearing Real)
June 16th, 2012
1:45 pm
These cons lack intellectual credibility. Child-like chest pounding from the US didn’t slow down the “supposed” threat under 8 years of Bush. US support of Isreal is only called into question in the minds of these loons in order to keep stirring the pot and earn them more face time on Faux News. And these idiots never, EVER consider the consequences of an actual attack in a country like Iran. Sickos!
getalife
June 16th, 2012
1:45 pm
If you think willard’s sons would serve in a draft, you might be a con.
getalife
June 16th, 2012
1:47 pm
Normal,
All I have seen is a bad video of one helicopter firing rounds. No troops.
Bernie
June 16th, 2012
1:48 pm
Kamchak @1:42 pm : The day after Nov 6, There will be much comparison to the loss
of Mitts candidacy of one Barry Goldwater. the only difference is that the numbers will be far worse. The lipstick brigade is quietly preparing to show up at the polls in numbers like we have never seen before. Just take 2 aspirins and close your eyes!
Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it
June 16th, 2012
1:49 pm
getalife…
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/15/12238938-us-official-russia-sends-troops-to-syria-as-peace-hopes-fade?lite
Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it
June 16th, 2012
1:50 pm
getalife…and…
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-09/news/31311454_1_russian-defense-ministry-military-action-dmitry-rogozin
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
1:51 pm
Matti:
Six million Jews would probably disagree with your “tactics”
against evil. Just sayin’.
getalife:
The “war” it is ……………..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
1:52 pm
Out for awhile:
Everyone “try” to be nice to other posters.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 16th, 2012
1:54 pm
The day after Nov 6, There will be much comparison to the loss
of Mitts candidacy of one Barry Goldwater.
I believe Obama will win a second term, but I think it will be much closer than you realize.
Orange 12
June 16th, 2012
1:56 pm
“You were one of the sillies that predicted a continual rise in gasoline prices until it reached $5-6 a gallon by the time of the election.”
Yeah, I said that, are you implying that Obama brought the price down by sprinkling pixie dust on it or was it one of his world famous apologies? He didn’t do anything to bring it down. Like I said, Obama keeps cutting his own political throat.
Matti
June 16th, 2012
1:57 pm
Scout,
I never said we shouldn’t stand up for what’s right. Long before it became necessary to send US troops into Europe, “good” people stood by and let that monster take over Germany and persecute the Jews and everyone else who was different. If you know me at all, you know I’m always ready to stand up to bullies by calling them out for what they are. You’re don’t really think I’m one to roll over and take it, do you?
If more people would resist evil, instead of pretending evil people are on our side (like the Bush crime family and their vast conglomerate of war profiteers), then the need for world wars would not come around so frequently, IMO.
getalife
June 16th, 2012
1:59 pm
Thanks Normal,
“Moscow has sent a ship carrying a small contingent of combat forces to guard Russia’s deep-water port and military base at the Syrian city of Tartus, the US officials said.”
Interesting. I wonder if they will guard against using wmd’s there?
JamVet
June 16th, 2012
2:00 pm
ken, between the disgraced and despicable Alan West and you like minded, stuck in the 1950s fake conservatives, who needs Joseph McCarthy?
GT
June 16th, 2012
2:01 pm
Aquagirl is dead on and hilarious in her commits.
The US does not have the resources for this monetarily or morally. We do not shock and aw people as we have proven in this last tail chasing event we called Iraq. We are broke, ask any Republican and he will tell you that with glee in his voice. We got broke chasing the smell of a weapon of mass destruction, we lost more lives than we lost in 9/11 and we spent more money than the entire entitlement program the right is saying is destroying us, yet we now have nothing to show for it. Our enemies have more to show for it as they move into our vacated newly built improvements, that cost tax payers billions and made friends and cronies of the right that built them billions, which they keep off shores and never even get taxed for it.
I am with Aquagirl, take the whole FOX studio and lead the way, bring Murdock with you. It is about time he shows a little patriotism for a country he is so willing to tell what to do yet has no citizenship. I am thinking there has been more illegals from below the border who have died for this country than Australians, the country claimed by Murdock. I personally think they have more of a right influencing our thinking than this profiteer who has found a jackpot in the NASCAR set.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 16th, 2012
2:03 pm
…are you implying that Obama brought the price down by sprinkling pixie dust on it or was it one of his world famous apologies?
No.
He didn’t do anything to bring it down.
I never said that he did, sport.
What I am “implying” is that your talents for fortunetelling suck — big time.
Don’t quit your day job.
getalife
June 16th, 2012
2:09 pm
Normal,
The bi article is more troubling. mccain would have started ww iii so we dodged that bullet.
Orange 12
June 16th, 2012
2:13 pm
K @2:03
Fair enough
curious
June 16th, 2012
2:14 pm
Agree with the start of a draft. Absolutely no deferments!
Let’s build a 10 million strong military. That will get the economy rolling and solve the unemployment problem.
To help pay for it, institute rationing and raise tax levels to WW2 rates.
Anything think our blind allegience to Israel has any relationship to where we are now?
carlosgvv
June 16th, 2012
2:18 pm
Bill Kristol is to the Military-Industrial Complex what the NRA is to gun manufacturers.
If Romney is elected and if the Republicans gain control of the House and Senate, this military madness just might happen, since the Republicans have long since been lackeys for Big Business.
Both The Republicans and Big Business have clearly shown that profit and political power mean everything and American military lives mean little or nothing.
Don't Forget
June 16th, 2012
2:19 pm
Scout, not everyone who rattles the saber or speaks in bombastic rhetoric is Hitler. We can’t ignore countries like Iran but we can’t respond to every threat as though it will become a reality. Kruschev said the USSR would “bury us”. Did we attack?
getalife
June 16th, 2012
2:22 pm
orange would get his wish on gas prices if we engage Iran.
getalife
June 16th, 2012
2:24 pm
A draft to fight for the billionaires controlling government will give us riots.
getalife
June 16th, 2012
2:27 pm
“Egyptians voted on Saturday in the first free presidential election in their history that for many poses an unpalatable choice between a military man who served deposed autocrat Hosni Mubarak or an Islamist who says he is running for God.”
Welcome to democracy.
Political Mongrel
June 16th, 2012
2:33 pm
It amazes me how someone who is as consistently wrong about everything still gets a public forum. Kristol is one of the most incompetent commentators ever.
weetamoe
June 16th, 2012
2:35 pm
George W Bush had nothing to do with the Dixie Chicks losing their fans. I doubt if he even knew who they were until Maines became poster girl for the ACLU and folks like Mrs Jay Carney began to badger him about it. Couldn’t quite figure out how the ACLU inserting glossy photos of Maines in upscale fashion magazines would make country music fans repent.
Just heard that in Florida they are celebrating the Jorge Zimmermann DREAM act.
Orange 12
June 16th, 2012
2:39 pm
“orange would get his wish on gas prices if we engage Iran”
Never said that. Gas prices came down due to the sorry state of our economy. So I guess you could say Obama was instrumental in bringing fuel prices down.
Thulsa Doom
June 16th, 2012
2:50 pm
This is just posturing and I think Jay knows that. Bill Kristol knows the country has no urge to start a 3rd war in the middle east. He’s just asking O and Congress to rattle the saber a bit to gain negotiating leverage with Iran. Much ado about nothing.
Dr. Pangloss
June 16th, 2012
2:51 pm
I didn’t guess it. I thought it’d be tax cuts for the rich.
Michael
June 16th, 2012
2:52 pm
As our former Commander in Chief put it so eloquently, “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”
I would hope anyone studying this possibility would consider several things: first, Iran is three times the population of Iraq, and so far as I know, there are now Sunni/Shia divisions in Iran. Second, Iran and Iraq show more indications of working together, now that the Sunni minority has been marginalized by our invasion and war. This means that the three largest oil exporters in the region are Saudi Arabia, Iran/Iraq, and Russia. I think the Saudi oil fields are well within missile range of Iran, so I think Iran has some very serious options in the event of attack. Also, bombing Iran will not be a good way to encourage any western leaning Iranians, as it would give the government cover for a bigger crackdown.
Accordingly, Kristol, I vote no.
Wile E Coyote
June 16th, 2012
2:57 pm
This entire quote is nothing more than asking Obama to be more insistent that military force is an option.
There is no call for WAR as Jay has tried to infer.
It is odd though that the very people who hate conflict, meaning the libs, are the ones who resort to it.
The comments attributed to Kristols mindset are just as vile as his alleaged insistence for war.
Let’s see, you libs have covered about everything u usually do starting from the very first post.
Republicans only want war to make the rich richer
Republicans want the middle class and poor to fight and die
Kristol wants to kill our kids
Stupid comments such as corporations need to go fight too
I mean when does common sence take over ?
None of you fought against Obama or Clinton’s war mongering. You now passively support drone attacks and targeted assassinations. ( i will avoid going into the wiretap thing you all hated when a republican was doing it, but have lost your voice now that your guy enhanced it) You supported Obama when he bombed Lybia. Clinton’s bombing of Bosnia, bombing of Sudan and invasion of Somalia.
I mean when do you stop and think ? There are no poor democratic representatives although you talk as if they are struggling they are all are doing very well, rich in fact and factually speaking democrats have authorized just as much killing if not more over the past 2 decades than any republican.
The military industrial complex has thrived under 8 years of Clinton and 3 of Obama, just as well as it did in the 8 of Bush. — there has been NO difference.
The economy thrived under Clinton, just as it did under Bush. The economy tanked under Carter, just as it did the last couple of years under Bush.
Poverty has eaten away at the most unfortunate in our country for decades, under democratic control as well as republican, yet to read this blog it’s all republican policy that’s to blame.
The truth is we have become so partisan, myself included, that we now put words in people’s mouths just so we can argue.
Jay you and most of the libs on this page know the Irainian issue is deeper and more complex than anything Kristol could have said yet you post Kristols response to be one word, which after reading the quote is actually your word, WAR.
I personally think we could handle 99% of all issues without war, but there are two sides to war. Just because liberals in the US demand restraint does not mean a religious wacko in any other country will do the same.
There again, isn’t it odd how liberals have no problem degrading and insulting the 70 to 80% of their fellow Americans for the way we act over religion yet you refuse to put any pressure at all on the religious nutcases,in other countrys, who we are always at odds with.
Guess its easier to call republicans baby killers and religious nut jobs than it is to stand on a corner in Iran and demand that same right to speak ? And if you could I doubt any of you would be so bold as to call the Iranian and North Korean leaders what you call our own leaders.
Wonder how your blog would do in North Korea Jay ?
Why don’t you travel over there and see, or is it easier to do it in a country that will not call for your head ?
And before you respond, I am Not asking you to shut up nor am i saying someone should call for your head. I am asking you to be fair. You know The Obama administration is killing people left and right, day and night-something that I trust he deems needs to be done. Wish you and your lib friends could have agreed with Bush when his administration was doing the exact same thing.
But here again is the recurring problem, you can’t .
All libs strive to be rich, yet you hate corporate heads who are billioneers
You scream about rich CEOs with benefits while most of you sit back and build your portfolios
You demand justice and ignore that your rich democrats Leaders are in the middle of the injustice
You demand peace as your democratic leaders are killing people
And perhaps worst of all you demand fairness when none of you are fair.
Am I guilty of all of this also ? Yes most certainly but then again I don’t get paid triple figures to write for a multi billion dollar American Corporate entity either. Cox is still American isn’t it Jay ?
Davin McBean
June 16th, 2012
2:58 pm
I am looking forward to the day that Mitt Romney realizes his dyslexia and discovers that his real name is “Tim”.
(With apologies to Bill Maher)
Thulsa Doom
June 16th, 2012
3:00 pm
“I think the Saudi oil fields are well within missile range of Iran, so I think Iran has some very serious options in the event of attack”
So how can an Iranian missile or even a few missiles- most of them sorely lacking in accuracy like the scuds, take out an oil field? They aren’t firing patriot missiles- more like dummy aimless scuds. And besides they probably don’t have that many of these medium range to long range missiles anyway.
And please explain the Sunni/Shia divisions in Iran? Iran has always been predominantly Shia so I’m not sure I understand what your point is on that.
Just saying..
June 16th, 2012
3:11 pm
AND,
it’ll help the economy…
killerj
June 16th, 2012
3:16 pm
Does he have children?,put them on the front line.
getalife
June 16th, 2012
3:30 pm
If you want another occupation in Iran, vote gop.
Rafe Hollister
June 16th, 2012
3:31 pm
Studies have shown that falling gas prices are like a canary in the coal mine, indicating a recession ahead. Guess W will get the blame for that one as well.
Michael
June 16th, 2012
3:33 pm
First, you don’t take out an oil field, you set fire to it, as Saddam did in 1990. I think most countries in the region know that Iran’s two threats are to fund surrogate armies and terrorists and to take aim at Saudi Arabia. An attack on Iran would lead to an attack on the Saudi fields, maybe a repeat of the sabotage of oil fields of 1990, and a serious uptick in terrorist activities.
You are correct that Iran is predominantly Shia. In fact, the winner of the Iraq war was Iran, as both countries are now ruled by predominantly Shia governments. We now understand the differences better, but I am convinced that George Bush II did not have any idea that a new government in Iraq could be an ally of Iran.
Finally, I am reminded of the cavalry charge in War Horse. After the Germans demonstrated that they had weapons very capable of repelling a cavalry charge the German officer commented, “What were you thinking?” We should have had such a conversation after the invasion of Iraq, and would almost certainly have such a conversation after an attack on Iran.
Mark in mid-town
June 16th, 2012
3:35 pm
Jay Bookman writes about Bill Kristol: “The ardent cheerleader of our invasion of Iraq, where more than 4,400 U.S. soldiers died for a cause yet to reveal itself, now champions that same “solution” for Iran, a much more difficult problem.”
That’s a cheap and childish shot Mr. Bookman. Bill Kristol may have been very wrong, or he may not have. But plenty of Democrats believed the same. And while Bill Clinton was still president, John Kerry the later 2004 Democratic candidate for president, was saying that he was ahead of President Clinton and his Senate colleagues and the country in the need to confront Saddam Hussein, and that the bombing attacks ordered by Clinton would be woefully inadequate..
John Kerry’s own words from 1998:
1) “Every bit of intelligence John (McCain) and I have says within
various periods of time, he can rebuild both chemical and biological.
And every indication is, because of his deception and duplicity in the
past, he will seek to do that. So we will not eliminate the problem
for ourselves or for the rest of the world with a bombing attack.
2) “I am way ahead of the commander in chief, and I’m probably way
ahead of my colleagues and certainly of much of the country. But I
believe this. I believe that he has used these weapons before. He
has invaded another country. He views himself as a modern-day
Nebuchadnezzar. He wants to continue to play the uniting critical role
in that part of the world. And I think we have to stand up to that.”
Joseph
June 16th, 2012
3:37 pm
Heading for another month of poor job growth and Jay’s worried about Bill Kristol.. LOL… How about the leaks Jay? When will that be your topic? Or maybe even Fast & Furious? Those are the storys being driven by the media….
Thulsa Doom
June 16th, 2012
3:39 pm
I re-read the article to make sure I don’t have the same reading comprehension problem that Jay and the rest of the liberals on here seem to have.
Nowhere in Kristoll’s words does he say anything about attacking Iran. All he does is talk about using the threat of military action as leverage against Iran. So Jay’s statement about “ever-eager Bill Kristol believes that other people dying can solve it” is utter nonsense.
“The real and credible threat of force”, “administration officials could be putting the military option front and center and ensuring it is seen as viable.” ” It would strengthen the president’s hand.”
Can a liberal please show me where he is advocating an actual attack on Iran? I see him advocating “a real and credible threat”, a threat that is seen as “viable”, and a threat that would “strengthen the president’s hand” in dealing with Iran. But I see no call to war against Iran.
getalife
June 16th, 2012
3:45 pm
Yeah, bill is a one trick pony.
war.
If you want to occupy Iran, start ww iii and use austerity that failed in Europe, vote gop.
Thulsa Doom
June 16th, 2012
3:47 pm
Michael
June 16th, 2012
3:33 pm
“First, you don’t take out an oil field, you set fire to it, as Saddam did in 1990.”
Michael,
Actually you have to lit the wellhead of the field which requires being there to physically do it or having a guided missile of great accuracy such as what the U.S. possesses. Iran to my knowledge simply does not have the missile accuracy to do so. Secondly if they launced a hundred scuds- which they probably don’t even have, they might get lucky and hit one or 2 oil wellheads and ignite them. During the Gulf war hundreds of oil wellhead fires were put out. Its not the big a deal to put out one or 2 of them or even a dozen or so. Your idea of Iranian missiles igniting lots of oil fields is just plain silly.
As for a serious uptick in terrorist activities so what? Terrorist acts usually have little to no significant military value. They terrorize people but they usually do little or nothing in terms of achieving actual military objectives such as taking and holding ground.
JamVet
June 16th, 2012
3:53 pm
About two-thirds of Americans believe Republican former U.S. President George W. Bush is responsible for the nation’s struggling economy, with a smaller percentage blaming Democratic President Barack Obama, a Gallup poll showed on Thursday.
Independent voters, who could play a critical role in the November election, were more likely to blame Bush (67 percent) than Obama (51 percent).
Many Americans are still struggling to recover financially from the nation’s deepest recession since the Great Depression of the 1930s, and Obama is trying to regroup after recent setbacks, including an anemic May jobs report.
“Americans continue to place more blame for the nation’s economic problems on George W. Bush than on Barack Obama, even though Bush left office more than three years ago,” Gallup said. “… This suggests that Obama’s argument that he is on the right track and needs more time to turn the economy around could fall on receptive ears, particularly those of independents.”
Bush, who served two four-year terms as president, has been unable to shake the blame since Gallup began tracking the economic finger-pointing in 2009, and has seen about 70 percent of those polled holding him responsible since mid-2010.
Critics say Bush’s tax cuts combined with increased spending to fight two wars, among other costs, helped plunge the nation into a deep economic crisis.
Own it, Rafe. You nitwits nominated, cheered on and then voted for the (W)orst Ever.
Twice.
Inexplicable…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOziLQbnKCc&feature=related
getalife
June 16th, 2012
3:53 pm
marh,
curveball punked them so the intell was bad.
kerry admitted this fact.
Iran won the Iraq occupation but we did get their oil to the global market.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:05 pm
Don’t Forget:
Agree …………. we only go after those who are a real threat to us or have overstepped the bounds of humanity. But:
1) We must not bluff.
2) We must have a strong enough military at all times to back up our statments.
Moderate Line
June 16th, 2012
4:05 pm
“But I think both the Iranian and the Israeli governments recognize that when the United States says it is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we mean what we say,” the president said.
Mr. Obama’s remarks built on his vow in the State of the Union address that the United States would “take no options off the table” in preventing Iran, which says its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, from acquiring a weapon. But he was more concrete in saying that those options include a “military component,” although after other steps, including diplomatic isolation and economic sanctions.
I am little lost on the criticism. It seems the President and Bill Kristol are pretty much in agreement except that Bill believes the time is now and Obama doesn’t.
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 16th, 2012
4:06 pm
The authorization for war is not the same as declaration silly
That said, and I think kristol would agree, war is the last resort
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:09 pm
Matti:
1) “I never said we shouldn’t stand up for what’s right. Long before it became necessary to send US troops into Europe, “good” people stood by and let that monster take over Germany and persecute the Jews and everyone else who was different.”
BASICALLY AGREE.
2) If you know me at all, you know I’m always ready to stand up to bullies by calling them out for what they are. You’re don’t really think I’m one to roll over and take it, do you?”
I HEAR YOU. “CALLING OUT” IS ONE THING BUT SOMEONE HAS TO GO IN AND “PHYSICALLY” ENFORCE YOUR CALLING OUT, I.E. USMC.
3) “If more people would resist evil, instead of pretending evil people are on our side (like the Bush crime family and their vast conglomerate of war profiteers), then the need for world wars would not come around so frequently, IMO.”
DISAGREE! OBAMA SENT MORE TROOPS IN, INCREASED DRONE ATTACKS AND THOSE MISSLES ARE SURE EXPENSIVE. IS HE PART OF THE CRIME FAMILY/WAR “PROFITEERS” ?
larry
June 16th, 2012
4:09 pm
Never said that. Gas prices came down due to the sorry state of our economy. So I guess you could say Obama was instrumental in bringing fuel prices down.
So i guess more Libyan and Iraqi oil coming on line , producing more and more each week, has nothing to do with it?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:11 pm
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion :
“The authorization for war is not the same as declaration silly”
Oh, but it is to those who do the actual fighting and dying.
“War is Sweet to the Inexperienced”
larry
June 16th, 2012
4:11 pm
OBAMA SENT MORE TROOPS IN, INCREASED DRONE ATTACKS AND THOSE MISSLES ARE SURE EXPENSIVE. IS HE PART OF THE CRIME FAMILY/WAR “PROFITEERS” ?
Did Obama start a war for no apparent reason ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:11 pm
Moderate Line:
“I am little lost on the criticism. It seems the President and Bill Kristol are pretty much in agreement except that Bill believes the time is now and Obama doesn’t.”
Wait for an “October Surprise” ! Obama will do ANYTHING to hold on to power.
Thulsa Doom
June 16th, 2012
4:16 pm
larry,
Obama upped the ante in Afgh. And if you will recall Dems were generally on board in attacking Afgh. To them that was “the right” war to be involved in and they share equal culpability for that war.
As for Iraq the jury is still out on them. We won’t know for another 20 years if it was all worth it. If Iraq becomes a beacon for democracy in the Middle east then it will have been worth it. As for right now its too early too tell.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:17 pm
Bumper Sticker:
“I’ll take the Mormon over the Moron”
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 16th, 2012
4:17 pm
Scout
What I’m saying is a congressional authorization for war does not mean we ARE going to war
carlosgvv
June 16th, 2012
4:19 pm
Scout – Obama will do ANYTHING to hold onto power”
And Romney and the Republicans will do ANYTHING to win back the White House. So, look for a knock down drag out free for all mud wrestling Carny geek campaign with both Parties assuming most American voters are dirt dumb and tailoring their TV commercials and speeches accordingly.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:20 pm
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion :
I hear you but I don’t like “authorizations” or “presidential decisions” …………… if Amerians are going to die I want a “DECLARATION”.
For example, Congress should declare war against “Islamic Terrorism” but they are too cowardly to do so.
larry
June 16th, 2012
4:21 pm
Wait for an “October Surprise” ! Obama will do ANYTHING to hold on to power.
You mean like that ” Terrorist Alert ” 5 days before the 2004 election.
That suprise?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:22 pm
carlosgvv:
That’s always the case for those trying to unseat incumbunts. However, not all “incumbunts” would stoop so low as to ignore the Constitution (as Obama did yesterday) or put Americans in harms way just to gain votes. Some past presidents have done that and some haven’t. I believe Obama is one that would/will.
TaxPayer
June 16th, 2012
4:22 pm
We need to run off and fight another war just as soon as the last two are paid for in full. This calls for a hefty tax cut to help hurry things along.
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June 16th, 2012
4:23 pm
larry:
Possibly …………… but perhaps even worse would be to actually put Americans in harms way.
Moderate Line
June 16th, 2012
4:23 pm
JamVet
June 16th, 2012
3:53 pm
Critics say Bush’s tax cuts combined with increased spending to fight two wars, among other costs, helped plunge the nation into a deep economic crisis.
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How did tax cut’s and increased spending to fight two wars plunge the US into and economic crisis. I don’t see the connection between the housing market plumenting and tax cut or spending on wars. In fact Obama’s stimulus package contain tax cuts. I do not agree with the wars or tax cuts but that has more to do with the deficit than the recession.
larry
June 16th, 2012
4:24 pm
We won’t know for another 20 years if it was all worth it.
20 years ? All I know is wasnt worth one American soldiers life , so in my opinon it was not worth it at all.
And it will wind up costing us billions for the next 60 years or more.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:24 pm
TaxPayer:
Unfortunately, evil doesn’t work on a budget.
TaxPayer
June 16th, 2012
4:25 pm
Bill Kristol has my vote… to be Commander of the first wave sent to invade Iran. An all volunteer, self-funded troop sounds in order. A modern-day F-Troop.
Thulsa Doom
June 16th, 2012
4:26 pm
“So i guess more Libyan and Iraqi oil coming on line , producing more and more each week, has nothing to do with it?”
Most of the news I’ve seen later has the main reason for falling gas prices as being expected weaker economic demand and slowing economic growth. As for more oil coming on line it may well be offset by the fact that maybe more Iranian oil has been taken offline due to sanctions.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:27 pm
“Biden Says the ‘Great’ Cities Are in China, Not America”
TaxPayer
June 16th, 2012
4:27 pm
Unfortunately, evil doesn’t work on a budget.
I know what you mean, given the GOP backing from people like Adelson and the Kochs, evil hardly has to worry about a budget.
JamVet
June 16th, 2012
4:27 pm
Never again.
Will we let the PNAC stooges like Kristol, along with the yellow chickenhawks and the inept neocons in the GOP make up moronic reasons for getting a bunch of Americans KIA’d for nothing.
Except to make them feel better about their own cowardice.
And it sickens me that disgraceful draft-dodgers like Blood & Guts Saxby still sit on their thrones in Washington DC, just drooling for the chance to do it again…
Thulsa Doom
June 16th, 2012
4:31 pm
larry,
Depends on what perspective you take. If you take an American self interest only perspective then it wasn’t worth a single life. If you take a humanitarian perspective or the perspective of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who were victims of Saddam or whose family members were victims it certainly was worth it. The world is a better place without the man. And as I said if Iraq continues to stabilize into a peaceful democracy you cannot underestimate how important that would be in a region of the world where there really is no stable democracy outside of Israel.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:31 pm
TaxPayer:
You remind me of those “tax prosteser” types I used to investigate years ago when I was with IRS-CID. You know, they felt they had the right not to pay any taxes because they were “free citizens” of the world. But …………. they sure liked driving their pick-ups down taxpayer funded highways, etc., etc., etc.
Sometimes, I wish we could take away everything our military has done that has impacted you life for good and just see how you liked it. Oh well ……………………….. and keep those taxes coming in for my pension.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:32 pm
Excuse me: “protester”
Thulsa Doom
June 16th, 2012
4:33 pm
Scout,
Is that statement of Biden’s just Joe’s natural anti- Americanism showing or is it his natural tendency to put his foot in his mouth?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:33 pm
TaxPayer:
You left out Soros, et al and Hollywood.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:33 pm
Thulsa:
Who knows ……….. he’s an embarrassment (to Obama !).
Thulsa Doom
June 16th, 2012
4:36 pm
Scout,
He may be royally embarrassing to Obama but I love the guy- he’s a walking talking comedy routine. You just gotta know every time Biden speaks Obama just wants to kick himself in the ass for picking such a clown for veep. I bet if he could get a do over O would have picked either Hillary or anyone but Biden.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:41 pm
Thulsa:
He may dump him yet ………… let’s hope not.
Doggone/GA
June 16th, 2012
4:42 pm
“As our former Commander in Chief put it so eloquently, “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”"
That’s actually the correct phrase…it’s not what our former CIC said:
“There’s an old saying in Tennessee – I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee – that says, fool me once, shame on – shame on you. Fool me – you can’t get fooled again.”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:45 pm
Doggone/GA :
“Sonar to bridge ……….. sonar to bridge ………… range ……….. mark !”
saywhat?
June 16th, 2012
4:46 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:17 pm
Bumper Sticker:
“I’ll take the Mormon over the Moron”
______________________________________________
That would have been a great bumper sticker 12 years ago during the Republican primary. The Moron won the nomination however.
Michael
June 16th, 2012
4:48 pm
We have a legislative body that is generally considered to be about 260 wits. And, it takes 535 people to accumulate those 260 wits. To have that body take an action that moves us a step closer to war, and might be mis interpreted by Iran or Israel, would be grossly irresponsible.
We have a State Department, CIA, NSA, military intelligence, the largest military budget, and the largest intelligence budget in the world. Taking the advice of a newspaper columnist, who failed before the Iraq war, would be foolish.
Explain to the Iranians that an Authorization for War and a Declaration of War are not the same thing. He is pushing for this to interfere in any strategy our administration is using to influence Iran. I think his objective is to have a resolution passed, then Obama rejects it, then the right wing spends $100 million in ads saying Obama is weak.
TaxPayer
June 16th, 2012
4:50 pm
Scout,
You have never investigated me so your trip down memory lane is meaningless. Further, thanks to those Bush tax cuts, I don’t pay any federal income or payroll taxes on my investment income. But don’t let that deter you from further reducing my taxes. After all, I do pay income taxes on my private pension so you should vote for me yet another tax cut and eventually you will get your party’s wish to eliminate taxpayer funding of federal retiree and veteran benefits. Go for it.
larry
June 16th, 2012
4:51 pm
We were given fifteen different reasons we went into Iraq. And Iraqi stabilization was not one of them.
And if the Egyptians and others can overthrow their dictatorships, Iraqi’s could have done the same.
Im sorry, it was not worth the cost of lives and money. And the lies that were told.
Doggone/GA
June 16th, 2012
4:51 pm
I think his objective is to have a resolution passed, then Obama rejects it, then the right wing spends $100 million in ads saying Obama is weak.”
I agree in principle, but even if the House passes such a resolution I seriously doubt it would get through the Senate.
Grob Hahn
June 16th, 2012
4:52 pm
These sanctions are only teaching the Iranians to prepare for the worst.
Grobbbbbbbb
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:54 pm
saywhat?
But the bumper sticker is out there “now” …………..
TaxPayer:
Ooo Rah !
larry
June 16th, 2012
4:55 pm
Besides, Iran is not the country i am worried about.
Pakistan already has a nuclear weapon, jailed the Pakistanian doctor that helped American Intellengence find OBL and closed off a supply route to Afganistan. So if i was worried about any country , it would be Pakistan.
I said ten years ago and i repeat it today, they are not our allies.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 16th, 2012
4:55 pm
larry:
We didn’t overthrow our dictatorship without help ……… lots of it.
Just sayin’ !
TaxPayer
June 16th, 2012
4:59 pm
Scout,
You remind me of that over the hill north Georgia terrorist gang. One of them was a retired military type, as I recall. Whatever came of him. Jail time as I recall.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 16th, 2012
5:03 pm
Bumper Sticker:
VOTE REPUBLICAN
It’s Easier Than THINKING!
detritusUSA
June 16th, 2012
5:10 pm
Every one of you “armchair patriots” who want war just tell your sons and daughters to forget college and go down and enlist so they can give their life for their country. While your children are in the Army you go ahead and call your republican representative and tell him you want a war tax to pay for this and the other two wars.
Orange 12
June 16th, 2012
5:12 pm
Who said anything about wanting a war.
Doggone/GA
June 16th, 2012
5:12 pm
” While your children are in the Army you go ahead and call your republican representative and tell him you want a war tax to pay for this and the other two wars”
You’re forgetting precedent. Not a war tax…a war tax CUT
pogo
June 16th, 2012
5:18 pm
Biden, the gift that just keeps on giving. He was hand chosen by Obama for his stupidity to make Obama look “intelligent”. Biden makes Foghorn Leghorn look intelligent. Remember in 2008 when the Obama campaign said that they chose Biden because of his “extensive foreign policy experience”? Yea, that has worked out great for them, hasn’t it? Now that I think about it, Obama himself makes Foghorn look like Eisenhower. Foghorn for President!!!!
Though he desperately tries to divide the demographic groups in this country to get votes for himself, Obama represents an ever decreasing population of Americans. Hispanics (legal or not), whites, blacks, asians and ALL the rest have the same basic problem and that problem is that they can’t find jobs and when you get down to it, it is all about trying to make a living isn’t it? What Obama and the Democrats have never understood is that having a job is about far more than just having enough money to survive. It is about personnal pride and personnal achievement. Government entitlements only go so far and they work to hold people in an economic limbo that is not a very nice way to live and which eventually destroys any desire to do better.
If the man in charge can’t deliver jobs,he must go. Irregardless of what Obama and the Democrats believe, only the private sector can create real jobs without destroying the American economy. Obama is a misery president. He offers no hope. He only offers excuses and blame and of course, entitlements.
getalife
June 16th, 2012
5:18 pm
Do you want to fight for a citizen united billionaire controlled government?