Bill Kristol offers solution: Yep, you guessed it
War.
Whatever the problem, the ever-eager Bill Kristol believes that other people dying can solve it. The ardent cheerleader of our invasion of Iraq, where more than 4,400 U.S. soldiers died for a cause yet to reveal itself, now champions that same “solution” for Iran, a much more difficult problem. And in a piece in the Weekly Standard, complete with requisite Churchill quote, he and co-author Jamie Fly argue that if President Obama doesn’t do it, Congress should intervene:
Bill Kristol
“President Obama says a nuclear Iran is unacceptable. The real and credible threat of force is probably the last hope of persuading the Iranian regime to back down. So: Isn’t it time for the president to ask Congress for an Authorization for Use of Military Force against Iran’s nuclear program?
Instead of running away from it, administration officials could be putting the military option front and center and ensuring it is seen as viable. And if the administration flinches, Congress could consider passing such an authorization anyway. While any commander in chief has the constitutional authority to take urgent action to protect Americans and their interests, such legislation would give weight to the president’s commitment to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. It would strengthen the president’s hand. It would show Tehran that America’s policy of preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon is a credible one. Bipartisan support for such an authorization would remove the issue as much as possible from the turmoil of election year politics. And the authorization could also make clear that the United States would come to Israel’s aid in the event that it decides it needs to take action….
We don’t expect the Obama administration to request an Authorization for Use of Military Force. But Congress can act without such a request. By doing so, it would serve the nation’s interest, and, indeed, the administration’s, if the administration means what it says.
Surely it is time for a concentration of congressional opinion and force capable of lifting our efforts to the level of emergency. The Obama administration may be committed to leading from behind, but Congress can choose to lead from the front.
– Jay Bookman
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Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 18th, 2012
10:15 am
and that service would need to be mandatory so the Mitt Romney’s and the Rush Limbaugh’s of the world wouldn’t be able to pull strings and get endless deferments.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 18th, 2012
10:15 am
williebkind — “Well you liberals did not want to enter WWII, thus waited while Hitler and Japan grew militarily. After that these two along with Italy deciced they can take on the world. Result-55 million people died.”
You better recheck your history, willie. The American people were generally opposed to war in the 1930s, but Roosevelt and the largely Democratic Congress aided European countries opposed to the Axis powers in just about every way they could short of sending troops. Besides, liberals were *running* the US government during WWII, and did a fine job of it, too.
“You can be an ardent atheist too.”
Maybe you didn’t know it, but atheists have been in the military since we’ve *had* a military.
Bruno
June 18th, 2012
10:16 am
He was a low-life nobody when he was pulled over and acted in a manner that caused police to over-react (to the point where, as then-President GHW Bush said, “it made me sick to my stomach”). He found himself thrust into an international story, and this utterly pedestrian sort of person saw an entire metro area devolve into violence.
sfd–While you and Brosephus have been careful not to lionize King, you can’t deny that he became somewhat of a cause célèbre in many (liberal) circles. And while both of you have denounced the rioting which followed, the rioters apparently felt differently. Here in Atlanta, an attorney friend of mine represented some Korean shopkeepers who were forced to the roof of their building when the APD refused to protect them from the mobs.
Tundra Dude
June 18th, 2012
10:20 am
Don’t the Germans do something like this? There’s mandatory national service, but if you’re opposed to serving in the military for some reason, you can get a gig in an hospital or retirement home?
Right. Only 6 months civil service required.
godless heathen
June 18th, 2012
10:20 am
“2) Civil service (building bridges, repairing infrastructure, etc)”
Did you see Shawshank Redemption? Local contractors couldn’t compete with the Warden’s cheap labor. I’m ok with the idea of Government service but I don’t want to see the government out there competing with the private sector building roads and bridges.
josef
June 18th, 2012
10:21 am
Willie
The who didn’t want to enter WWII? You need to go back and look at who the isolationists and non interventionists were…
BROSEPHUS
An interesting read. I got crawled for saying at the get-go, “the whites don’t have to and the blacks ain’t going to…” Well…
TiredOfIt
June 18th, 2012
10:23 am
Bill Kristol, with that cheesy smile, looks like a greeter at a death camp.
Tundra Dude
June 18th, 2012
10:24 am
WWMD. What Would Mitt Do?
EZ one. Whatever his $100 million sugardaddy tells him to do.
josef
June 18th, 2012
10:24 am
TiredOfit…
That was uncalled for.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 18th, 2012
10:26 am
“truth is hate to those who hate truth”
Curious
June 18th, 2012
10:26 am
Why haven’t we bombed/attacked North Korea? They have Nuclear weapons, delivery capability, a stated desire to take over South Korea, unstable domestic conditions, and irrational leadership.
The answer to that question may be why Iran wants Nuclear power/weapons.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 18th, 2012
10:26 am
K71 — “Success….. Developing a viable nuclear weapon with an adequate delivery system to launch a nuclear attack from Iran. Also having the ability to sell a viable nuclear weapon to whomever you please. Failure….. none of the above.”
I appreciate your willingness to engage me politely on this topic, K71. Thank you.
I agree with your success/failure split. FWIW, I support our current covert initiatives to interfere with Iranian fissionables production (such as the STUXNET and Flame worms), as Iran has not been forthcoming with the international community. There’s a big divide between fuel-enriched uranium and weapons-grade (about 4% versus 90%), but Iran has confused the matter by doing some enrichment to around 20% or so. Twenty’s not nearly enriched enough for weapons, but it *can* be used in the production of medical isotopes, which Iran claims it wants to produce. The thing is, by the time you get much past 20%, you’ve largely gotten to the point where you can produce HEU (Highly Enriched Uranium) for weapons. So IMO, Iran should be more forthcoming about its program. If it really wants to produce power and medical isotopes for peaceful purposes, then show the world. They’ve got nothing to lose, and if they can convince IAEA inspectors of their sincerity, they gain respect and standing in the world. It’s really a win-win all around.
The fact that they won’t do it, or that they balk at it, suggests strongly to me that they *are* doing weps research. To me, that justifies the hacking and data intrusions we’ve been doing (and probably the Israelis too, I’d think). I would expect that the Pentagon has a contingency plan for some sort of strike on Iranian facilities, but IMO Iran could defuse the whole thing by just coming clean.
Hopefully, the Western and Japanese embargo on purchasing Iranian oil will start bearing fruit as the summer goes on. Oil is Iran’s best ‘cash crop’ to the world, and they can’t afford to go without customers. The country needs that money to support programs that keep their restive public from taking to the streets again.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 18th, 2012
10:26 am
Tundra
No one owns Romney
Obama is owned by the unions tho
TiredOfIt
June 18th, 2012
10:29 am
“No one owns Romney” just the all mighty dollar, which on the “R” side is all that matters.
stands for decibels
June 18th, 2012
10:30 am
That was uncalled for.
It reminds me of those who think it’s somehow hilarious to refer to Clinton’s former labor secretary as Robert “Third” Reich.
stands for decibels
June 18th, 2012
10:32 am
you can’t deny that he became somewhat of a cause célèbre in many (liberal) circles.
I think you’re confusing the man’s treatment with the man himself.
JamVet
June 18th, 2012
10:34 am
Williebkind,
Two questions for you.
What branch of the US military did you serve in?
What years were you in uniform?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 18th, 2012
10:34 am
Curious:
“Why haven’t we bombed/attacked North Korea? They have Nuclear weapons, delivery capability, a stated desire to take over South Korea, unstable domestic conditions, and irrational leadership.
The answer to that question may be why Iran wants Nuclear power/weapons.”
1) You answered your own question. They “HAVE” nuclear weapons.
I can bet you South Korea wishes we had “BEFORE” they had them ……….. and we may someday also.
2) Here’s a second answer. The Korean War was a political one. North Korea to my knowledge has never engaged in a terrorist attack on the U.S.
We are now involved in a religious war (very few political leaders have the guts to admit that) with radical Islam. Radical Islam has attacked the U.S. many times. Iran is led by radical Islamists. We had better PREVENT them from acquiring nuclear weapons whatever it takes.
barking frog
June 18th, 2012
10:34 am
What is with this involuntary
servitude for the young?
They leave mandatory
schooling and go to
mandatory service?
Where is the freedom
in that?
Curious
June 18th, 2012
10:34 am
Unconditional surrender in WW2 was a huge reason 55 million died.
If we hadn’t allowed the Emperor to stay on the throne, we would have had to invade Japan.
Tundra Dude
June 18th, 2012
10:37 am
Repost from Sat.
Nukes, shmukes! How many decades does it take to build one of these thingies…??
Iran’s Ever Imminent Nukes: A History of Hysteria
by Muhammad Sahimi, May 05, 2010
http://bit.ly/aqIWTT
The Israeli President warns us now that Iran is on the cusp of producing a nuclear weapon. Heaven preserve us. Yet we reporters do not mention that Shimon Peres, as Israeli Prime Minister, said exactly the same thing in 1996. That was 16 years ago. And we do not recall that the current Israeli PM, Benjamin Netanyahu, said in 1992 that Iran would have a nuclear bomb by 1999. That would be 13 years ago. Same old story
kayaker 71
June 18th, 2012
10:39 am
Joe, 10:26,
We all have hopes that Iran will fail to produce a viable nuclear weapon and that sanctions and diplomacy will work to prevent this. They seem, however, to be engaged in delaying tactics to gain more time to do just that. My question to you and opponents of force to gain our objective, remains the same. What if it is inevitable that Iran will develop a viable nuclear weapon to sell to the highest bidder or to use against Israel and all of our diplomacy has failed? What then?
stands for decibels
June 18th, 2012
10:41 am
How many decades does it take to build one of these thingies…?
Probably as long as it takes to kill the “al qaeda number two” guy. Man, we keep killing him and killing him, over and over again.
JamVet
June 18th, 2012
10:42 am
At least John McCain was not a spineless, flip flopping coward and political weather vane like Mitt.
Romney is not worthy of my vote in ten lifetimes.
For a multitude of reasons. But these five words are at the very top of the list:
Corporations are people, my friends.
Men like him are going to have to be taught the hard way – our sacred and blood soaked sovereignty is not for sale to the highest bidder…
Curious
June 18th, 2012
10:45 am
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
Now we know why Iran really wants nukes. If they have them, we won’t attack.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 18th, 2012
10:45 am
“No one owns Romney”
LOL…yet he palls around with Birthers like Trump… too funny.
Williebkind
June 18th, 2012
10:46 am
JamVet
June 18th, 2012
10:34 am
Served longer than you!
barking frog
June 18th, 2012
10:47 am
sfd
can’t have #2 without #1.
maybe #1 disguised as #2.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 18th, 2012
10:47 am
Jamvet
You’re such a prima donna, not satisfied with anything
Go preen yourself
Williebkind
June 18th, 2012
10:47 am
Wow the liberals keep hawking on Mitt because he is rich. How do they forget all they rich democrats?
Williebkind
June 18th, 2012
10:48 am
all those rich democrats.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 18th, 2012
10:49 am
Curiouis:
“Now we know why Iran really wants nukes. If they have them, we won’t attack.”
And it allows them (a terrorist Islamic nation) the option of attacking our country with a nuclear weapon or dirty bomb.
Is this what you want ?
Williebkind
June 18th, 2012
10:50 am
Now Obama is suddenly a millionair. Imagine that!
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 18th, 2012
10:50 am
“Wow the liberals keep hawking on Mitt because he is rich. How do they forget all they rich democrats?”
of course, the key difference is that rich Dems want to help the poor and working class … Mitt and the republicans want to screw them.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 18th, 2012
10:51 am
0311 — “We are now involved in a religious war (very few political leaders have the guts to admit that) with radical Islam.”
What a load.
Williebkind
June 18th, 2012
10:52 am
Iran wants to destroy Israel. Their leader spoke abou it publicly. If you have a good friend who is being threaten by total destruction, how would you respond. Liberals would say change your ways and compromise your values and beliefs while accepting theirs.
Williebkind
June 18th, 2012
10:53 am
Joe Hussein Mama
June 18th, 2012
10:51 am
That is so true! So few refuse to come to that reality.
barking frog
June 18th, 2012
10:54 am
USinUK
Mitt and the
republicans want to screw
them.
……
Good old 60’s daisy chain..
John Birch
June 18th, 2012
10:54 am
Drones and bombs not boots on the ground. Obama putting 50,000 more troops in harm’s way for nothing was a horrendousy bad decision. As for Iran, just quietly give the Israelis our blessing and get out of the way, they’re in more immediate jeopardy. A smart man like Adelson realizes that, which is why he wants Obama out.
ken
June 18th, 2012
10:55 am
The liberals had no problem with the Kennedys being rich or John Kerry being rich. And we all know how the Kennedys got rich.
Road Scholar
June 18th, 2012
10:55 am
JamVet: Did you see McCain on the Sunday talk shows yesterday? He flip flopped on what he had said about Romney in 2004 and 2008. That’s why I didn’t vote for him; he doesn’t remember stuff and is a terrible organizer and manager of staff.
Williebkind
June 18th, 2012
10:55 am
USinUK – pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 18th, 2012
“of course, the key difference is that rich Dems want to help the poor and working class”
How is that? Do they give to charity more than the conservatives? Or do they want to take my money and give to the poor? This is not a good argument for you.
Latinos and Georgia
June 18th, 2012
10:55 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8IqkRbxcTA
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 18th, 2012
10:58 am
Joe Hussein Mama :
“What a load”
Tell that to the 9/11 families, USS Cole families, Ft. Hood families, etc., etc., etc.
Curious
June 18th, 2012
10:59 am
Thank goodness some of the posters here aren’t in charge of the military or Government.
The USSR wanted to “bury” us, yet we didn’t attack them.
When and why did this “religious” war start?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 18th, 2012
10:59 am
K71 — “What if it is inevitable that Iran will develop a viable nuclear weapon to sell to the highest bidder or to use against Israel and all of our diplomacy has failed? What then?
Case 1: Iran with a salable nuke
To whom would they sell it? Who can afford one, yet doesn’t already have one? Plus, they’re going to be picky about customers. They’re not going to sell it to Islamists who aren’t Shia, and why bother to sell it to Shia Muslims? The Shiites are already running the show in Iran. If they sell it to AQ, and AQ uses it, we’ll know in a matter of hours where the wep came from (based on fissile analysis of the fallout) — and that means war with both AQ and Iran — plus, much of the world will come in on our side. Unprovoked first use of nukes will bring a STRONG response from the world. So I see no upside for Iran to sell a nuke.
Long story short, Iran would be hard-pressed to find a suitable customer, and once sold, who would use it?
Case 2: Iran has nuclear weapon usable against Israel
Do you really think Israel will let it *get* this far? The reason Israel hasn’t hit them yet is because *they* don’t believe Iran has gotten that far. Israel proved it had the stones to do this when it hit the Iraqi Osirak reactor, and they’ve been screaming for over ten years about the “imminent” danger of Iranian nukes.
It’s pretty clear to me that Israel is trying to get us to do their dirty work, both to save itself the trouble and to protect itself from the inevitable backlash from their Arab neighbors. But IMO, Israel won’t let it *get* to the point you describe.
In short, I don’t see either case ending well for Iran, even if we don’t take any action before we get to the points you described.
Bruno
June 18th, 2012
10:59 am
It is to me infinitely more egregious that seven thousand millionaires paid nothing in federal income tax in 2011 than countless Americans living in borderline poverty – a couple with two children earning less than $26,400, for example – doing so.
JamVet (my friend)–You have taken numerous Cons here to task for sloganeering, yet you keep repeating the same bumper-sticker statement about the number of millionaires who pay no taxes. The reason those millionaires paid no federal taxes is because they utilized legitimate deductions such as medical expenses, charitable contributions, tax free municipal bond investments and capital gains losses. Unless you are suggesting that we do away with those legitimate deductions, then your bumper sticker slogan holds little meaning.
Per your hypothetical couple with two children making less than $26,400, I would have more sympathy if it weren’t for the fact that my family faced similar circumstances, and we got by by working our butts off. No food stamps, no welfare, no Earned Income Tax Credits involved. In fact, our tax rate was higher in the 1970s than it would be now under the Bush/Obama tax cuts.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 18th, 2012
11:01 am
Curious:
“The USSR wanted to “bury” us, yet we didn’t attack them.”
1) They DIDN’T attack us ……….. (remember 9/11?)
2) They ALREADY had nuclear weapons (once you have them it’s pretty much to late).
3) Would you object to an Islamic terrorist cell working out of Newark having a small (just a small) nuclear device ?
josef
June 18th, 2012
11:01 am
President Obama’s administration’s policies vis a vis Israel are the same ones that have been in place since 1947.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 18th, 2012
11:02 am
Williebkind — “Iran wants to destroy Israel. Their leader spoke abou it publicly.”
Nope.
There are multiple possible translations of what he said, and from I’ve read, the ‘wipe Israel off the map’ assertion is a somewhat tortured and stretched interpretation/translation of what Ahmedinejad actually said.
I don’t have anything good to say about him, but I really think you should seek out some alternate translations of his speech instead of putting all your eggs in one basket.
Soothsayer
June 18th, 2012
11:03 am
As net worth drops, dreams are dimmed (AJC)
There’s the life David and Tanya Gordon expected to have before the recession and the one they have now.
David, 33, can still recite the plans they made five years ago, when they made nearly $100,000 a year: “We’re going to both drive Cadillacs and have a big nice house, and you can stay home while I work, because I’ll be making so much money at the Internet company.”
Fast forward to now: David, laid off from his sales job in late 2008, is home with the Atlanta couple’s 15-month-old twins. Tanya is the primary breadwinner. They live in a two-bedroom, one-bath, ramshackle home they bought in foreclosure with David’s severance check.
That’s how it goes, limping along in the aftermath of the worst recession since the 1930s. Expectations have been transformed for tens of millions of Americans — plans abandoned, hopes dimmed and choices narrowed, sometimes to the vanishing point.
This is for all of you who think the unemployed “deserve” their fate because they made “bad choices” or “didn’t get the right education.”
Welcome to the neoliberal “New Economy.” You know, the one where all of our jobs got shipped overseas. The pain in working it’s way up the economic ladder.
Bruno
June 18th, 2012
11:04 am
of course, the key difference is that rich Dems want to help the poor and working class … Mitt and the republicans want to screw them.
Care to elaborate on your own pet bumper sticker slogan, USinUK?? Especially given the disparity in charitable giving between Libs and Cons?? How exactly do Republicans want to harm the poor and working class, and how do Democrats want to help??
Joe Hussein Mama
June 18th, 2012
11:05 am
0311 — ““What a load”
“Tell that to the 9/11 families, USS Cole families, Ft. Hood families, etc., etc., etc.”
What a freakin’ load. The bombers didn’t pick their targets based on *religious* reasoning. They just struck *American* targets. You trying to claim that it’s somehow religion v religion is just more pathetic christian whining about how picked on y’all supposedly are.
If you think it’s a religious war, then pack up your gear, police up your christian militia brothers and head on over there to do battle.
Personally, I think it’s inexcusable to appropriate other people’s families and claim they died for YOUR cause, as you just did.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 18th, 2012
11:06 am
Now that it looks like the price of gasoline will be dropping for the summer — barring any unforeseen world events
~Clark Howard
No! Obama!
Bruno
June 18th, 2012
11:07 am
Oh, and BTW, PB found the Cee Lo clip in which he honored his mother on VH1 with a song. Everyone get your handkerchiefs out for this one. Please wait through the ad, it’s well worth it:
http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/654943/she-knows-vh1-storytellers.jhtml
Joseph
June 18th, 2012
11:08 am
Where you at Jay? I’m ready for a fundrasing bash against Sheldon Adelson… Becuase Romney raised so much more money than Obama last month… Even with all the Hollywood loon money he still beat him… LOL..
Impotent Rage Against the Obama Machine
June 18th, 2012
11:08 am
I want a president who banks in the US
not in socialist countries like Switzerland & the Caymans.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 18th, 2012
11:09 am
More “Arab Spring”:
JERUSALEM (AP) – “Militants crossed from Egypt’s turbulent Sinai Peninsula into southern Israel on Monday and opened fire on civilians building a border security fence, defense officials said. One of the Israeli workers was killed, and two assailants died in a gunbattle with Israeli troops responding to the attack.
No group claimed responsibility for the attack, which underscored the growing lawlessness in the Sinai desert since longtime Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was toppled by a popular uprising last year.”
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 18th, 2012
11:09 am
Bruno – the help portion is called a social safety net. Democrats usually want to keep it.
Republicans, like with the Ryan plan, want to dismantle it as much as they can.
Tundra Dude
June 18th, 2012
11:10 am
Williebkind — “Iran wants to destroy Israel. Their leader spoke about it publicly.”
If that’s their intention, seems like it’s kinda stupid to make a public announcement before having the weapons needed/desired.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 18th, 2012
11:10 am
Be funny if Mitt outspends Obama by a wide margin and still loses….
larry
June 18th, 2012
11:12 am
Seen on a bumper sticker yesterday………
I RIDE ON THE INSIDE!!!
DOGS AGAINST ROMNEY 2012!!
Bruno
June 18th, 2012
11:13 am
Please, everyone please watch this clip. We owe so much to our parents, our teachers, all those who gave of themselves.
http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/654943/she-knows-vh1-storytellers.jhtml
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 18th, 2012
11:14 am
Joe Hussein Mama:
You forgot one thing.
They always yell “Allahu Akbar” just before they commit their sick Radical Islamic attacks.
We are in a war against religious fanatical Islamists ………….. get your head out of the sand.
barking frog
June 18th, 2012
11:15 am
Democracy includes the
danger of allowing the
people to choose the type
government the majority
wants.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 18th, 2012
11:15 am
larry:
Bumper sticker:
“Don’t eat me. Dogs for Romney”
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 18th, 2012
11:15 am
The co-chairman of the DNC convention in Charlotte held a fundraiser for Romney
No one loves Obama
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 18th, 2012
11:17 am
barking frog:
“Democracy includes the
danger of allowing the
people to choose the type
government the majority
wants.”
That’s why we are a Republic ………. to prevent that type of “government” for as long as possible.
Tundra Dude
June 18th, 2012
11:17 am
Impotent wrote:
I want a president who banks in the US
not in socialist countries like Switzerland & the Caymans.
How Romney can win:
Let the working class open accounts in the Caymans. Have employers deposit their full paychecks in those accounts. Let the workers be responsible for paying taxes and Fica if they choose to do so.
Romney’s The One!
JamVet
June 18th, 2012
11:17 am
Willie, the Webelos don’t count.
Why are you so afraid/intellectually dishonest that you can’t even answer a simple question or two?
Careful, you’re starting to act like the brattish attention troll, Jm…
Bruno, why are you obsessed with the details/loopholes/giveaways/subsidies/income redistribution/socialism for the rich?
What part of they paid NOTHING is that hard to get?
NOBODY making tens of thousands of dollars a day deserves a free ride in this country.
It is a travesty that even ONE millionaire can get away with that, much less seven thousand of them…
barking frog
June 18th, 2012
11:18 am
Jm
Guess what list you are on
in the White House.
Tundra Dude
June 18th, 2012
11:19 am
“Don’t eat me. Dogs for Romney”
or, “I’m Not Food” on a doggie sweater.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 18th, 2012
11:20 am
Tundra Dude:
Good one !! Not only does the government take your money all during the year but they earn interest on it that they don’t give back to you !
Curious
June 18th, 2012
11:20 am
If only we had bombed the USSR back in the 50’s when they put down the uprising in Hungary, the 60’s when they put down the Czechslovakian uprising, the shoot down of the Korean Air that included a US Congrssman, North Korea when they captured the Pueblo (Did we get our boat back?), the hostage taking in Teheran, or the barracks bombing in Beruit.
So many good reasons and we didn’t take advantage.
barking frog
June 18th, 2012
11:22 am
We must consider the
ignorant poor who wrote
the tax code for the rich
to avoid taxation on
millions. A wise move to
invite trickle down..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 18th, 2012
11:23 am
Curious:
And because ??? They HAD nukes !
And ………… if they had not had nukes they probably would have rethought the things they did.
Peadawg
June 18th, 2012
11:24 am
“Now that it looks like the price of gasoline will be dropping for the summer — barring any unforeseen world events
~Clark Howard”
Excellent news!!!!!
What about – “Don’t eat me or lock me on top of a moving vehicle. Dogs for….uh oh”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 18th, 2012
11:24 am
barking frog:
…………… and the world is trying to get here any way they can ………. legally or illegally.
stands for decibels
June 18th, 2012
11:24 am
They always yell “Allahu Akbar” just before they commit their sick Radical Islamic attacks.
So anyone who’s said “God is great” before performing some important task is a sicko for having done so?
I was taught to say those exact words at the start of a prayer before dinner when I was a kid. So did my siblings, when young. Were we all sickos?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 18th, 2012
11:25 am
barking frog:
In other words ……… the world like our form of “trickle down” !
Bruno
June 18th, 2012
11:25 am
Bruno – the help portion is called a social safety net. Democrats usually want to keep it. Republicans, like with the Ryan plan, want to dismantle it as much as they can.
Finn–If you wish to move past the BS “pushing Granny over the cliff” slogans from the Left, you will understand that the Repub/Con idea of getting us back on firm financial footing as a nation is far more compassionate toward the poor than is the current non-plan of simply throwing money we don’t have at problems which may not really exist.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/03/21/Ryans-Plan-Could-Decimate-the-Social-Safety-Net.aspx#page1
From the article:
“Tens of millions of Americans have turned to these safety net programs in recent years as they have attempted to weather one of the worst recessions of modern times. But Ryan contends that Medicaid health services for the poor and other programs are growing at an unsustainable rate and must be curtailed.
Medicaid for example has been growing on average of 9 percent a year – far faster than the overall economy, while federal spending on food stamps has quadrupled over the past ten years.
“The strains that many of these well-intentioned programs have placed on the nation have reached a breaking point,” he says.”
There is no doubt that medical care is becoming unaffordable in this country. Putting everyone on Medicaid is the easy, short-term answer. Addressing the problem in a fundamental way by reducing overall costs is the intelligent, long-term answer. Per the other “safety-net” programs such as WIC and food stamps, I would feel more compassion if I didn’t know so many people personally who abuse those programs. They drive better cars than me, have bigger TVs, all while working far less hours. The long-run answer to poverty is self-reliance, not dependency.
barking frog
June 18th, 2012
11:25 am
Why should Iran not be
included in MAD program?
Would not this make the
world safer?
Tundra Dude
June 18th, 2012
11:26 am
Good one !! Not only does the government take your money all during the year but they earn interest on it that they don’t give back to you !
Maybe they consider it a handling charge…..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 18th, 2012
11:26 am
stands for decibles:
If you think doing that is o.k. just before murdering someone …….. then yes, YOU ARE A SICKO!
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June 18th, 2012
11:27 am
Tundra Dude:
What the government knows is they must take it that way or the masses just might realize how much in taxes they “are” paying and respond accordingly.
getalife
June 18th, 2012
11:27 am
We need a w tax to pay for the w disaster.
Curious
June 18th, 2012
11:28 am
Remember the USS Liberty!
barking frog
June 18th, 2012
11:28 am
0311
And we should welcome them.
Bruno
June 18th, 2012
11:29 am
Bruno, why are you obsessed with the details/loopholes/giveaways/subsidies/income redistribution/socialism for the rich?
What part of they paid NOTHING is that hard to get?
NOBODY making tens of thousands of dollars a day deserves a free ride in this country.
It is a travesty that even ONE millionaire can get away with that, much less seven thousand of them…
Maybe because I’m willing to look at the “WHY” behind the bumper sticker slogans. Are you?? You might help your cause a little more by explaining exactly WHICH of the now-legal tax deductions you would do away with. Personally, I’m comfortable with just about all of them because they help ALL Americans, not just the rich.
getalife
June 18th, 2012
11:30 am
Looks like the cons are still scared to death.
Keep in mind these are the same Americans that are scared of the truth.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 18th, 2012
11:31 am
0311 — “You forgot one thing.”
Nope.
“They always yell “Allahu Akbar” just before they commit their sick Radical Islamic attacks.”
Religion and governance are the same thing to them. However, you said WE are in a religious war. You don’t speak for everyone, and *I’m* certainly not in a religious war with them. So unless you’re prepared to agree with AQ that *Americans* are doing some sort of Christian Crusader thing over there, you’re simply buying into the same kind of pigheaded theocratic ignorance that AQ subscribes to.
“We are in a war against religious fanatical Islamists ………….”
You said that WE are in a religious war. Now you’re moving the goalposts. Your implicit concession has been noted and is appreciated.
“get your head out of the sand.”
Educate yourself and get *your* head out of you-know-where.
getalife
June 18th, 2012
11:33 am
If you think corrupt congress will end tax loop holes you might be a con.
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June 18th, 2012
11:33 am
barking frog:
The legal ones ………….. yes.
barking frog
June 18th, 2012
11:33 am
Medical costs are rising
because medical people
are raising prices.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 18th, 2012
11:34 am
Frog 11:18
I’m on the “not invited” list
Fine by me
Brosephus™
June 18th, 2012
11:35 am
godless: Brosephus: Have the women that R. King beat up forgiven him?
I don’t know, why don’t you ask them instead of asking me?
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Normal
Gibbon wrote the book on the decline and fall of the Roman Empire.
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Bruno
NO argument from me on that one.
barking frog
June 18th, 2012
11:35 am
Is it a religious war when
there are no atheists in
foxholes or God is a
co-pilot.
stands for decibels
June 18th, 2012
11:36 am
If you think doing that is o.k. just before murdering someone …….. then yes, YOU ARE A SICKO!
hmm. I guess it was well *after* the cow, pig or chicken had been murdered, so I guess we’re in the clear.
barking frog
June 18th, 2012
11:37 am
Jm
Better than the kill list.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 18th, 2012
11:38 am
Joe Hussein Mama:
Agree to STRONGLY Disagree !
(May I recommend “American Jihad” by Steven Emerson)
P.S. You can use Hussein in your “handle” all you want but in their eyes you are still an “infidel” worthy of death !
Have to run for the day ………… everyone be nice !