Obama offers temporary reprieve to young illegal immigrants
It’s not the DREAM Act, which would give permanent residence — and a later chance for citizenship to illegal immigrants who were brought here as young children, who graduate from U.S. high schools and who earn a college degree or serve in the U.S. military.
But as the Associated Press reports, it is a step in that direction:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies.
The policy change, described to The Associated Press by two senior administration officials, will affect as many as 800,000 immigrants who have lived in fear of deportation…
“”Many of these young people have already contributed to our country in significant ways,” (Homeland Security Director Janet) Napolitano wrote in a memorandum describing the administration’s action. “Prosecutorial discretion, which is used in so many other areas, is especially justified here.”
Jessica Colotl
The plan does not create a path to citizenship nor does it confer permanent residency, because both steps would require changes in U.S. law. It is also likely that under a Republican administration, the policy would be reversed.
But it will prevent, for the time being, the deportation of young people such as Jessica Colotl, the young illegal immigrant who was allowed to graduate from Kennesaw State University. An effort to ban illegal immigrants from all Georgia public colleges failed in the Legislature this year. State policy already bars illegal immigrants from admission to Georgia colleges with competitive admission requirements.
– Jay Bookman
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Redcoat
June 15th, 2012
11:58 am
Maybe this is the last tantrum before he has to go in Nov……….what a mess is he trying to leave……but it can be cleaned up and Romney can handle it
Adam
June 15th, 2012
11:58 am
Butch: Emporer Obama, Unlimited Power, End of the Republic. Are there no Jedi to stop this madness?
Funny thing is my girlfriend told me that she thinks of the liberals as the Sith in one sense, destined to lose all the time, but have just enough fight all the time to keep popping up to annoy the status quo.
I happen to think that is probably the only loose place the liberals actually fit with the Jedi-Sith dichotomy. The Sith are about power, and pretending that they like the Republic while seeking to destroy it and make it a one-party rule, while the Jedi are about the Republic and democracy and keeping balance. In that sense I would say the GOP are more like the Sith.
larry
June 15th, 2012
11:58 am
25 million citizens unemployed!
Millions of young citizens cannot find jobs!!
WHAT DOES OBAMA DO??
GRANT AMNESTY TO MILLIONS OF MEXICO CITIZENS, ILLEGALLY IN THIS COUNTRY!!!
HE REALLY KNOW THE PROBLEMS OF THE COUNTRY!!!!!!
TIME TO GIVE ROMNEY A CHANCE !!!
Joe Hussein Mama
June 15th, 2012
11:59 am
0311 — “Many, many times I did not want to make those arrests for various reasons. However, that was not within my descretion ………. and you wouldn’t have wanted it to be. “THAT” job belonged to another branch of government ………. the judicial branch ……… as to guilt and punishment.”
“If was NOT my job, duty or right to make those decisions. My job was to enforece the law.”
You seem to be operating on an mistaken assumption here. Are you making the claim that ICE makes arrests at the behest of the *judiciary?*
Lord Help Us
June 15th, 2012
11:59 am
‘Would that be OK to you?’
Yes, a court would immediately halt the order and the voters could take whatever action they felt appropriate.
Adam
June 15th, 2012
11:59 am
Unlike any president in my almost 55 years on this earth he is dividing the country in a very dangerous way
And the GOP’s vision is all about a united America of differing viewpoints, right?
Oblama
June 15th, 2012
11:59 am
Obama’s lesson for our youth. If you don’t like the laws ignore them. What a great example for our youth to follow. Obama has openly told law enforcers to not enforce “The Defense of Marriage Act” and now he tells them to not enforce immigration law. The lesson should be, if you don’t like the laws change them. In Obama is teaching our youth to observe the laws you agree with – ignore the rest. Our arrogant President now believes HE is above the law. Time for a change N
PJ
June 15th, 2012
11:59 am
BeeJay @11:46 am
Laws are meant to be adapted and changed to meet the goals of society. The same way some states have taken “a well organized militia” and tried to turn every citizen to a bunch of gun packing nincompoops.
the cat
June 15th, 2012
12:00 pm
The reaction from the right is fun to read. My goodness, the drama. This is hilarious.
Butch Cassidy
June 15th, 2012
12:01 pm
Get Real – “He is not King..”
or a queen
But something in between
Now I’m only hoping
That I’m living in a dream
It’s just a dream
Never would have pegged you as a Pseudo Echo fan. Nice!
stands for decibels
June 15th, 2012
12:01 pm
Exactly what votes will go
to Obama for doing this?
Been asking that myself. If this is “vote pandering” I’d love to know how this helps him in, say, Ohio.
Better Off? No.
June 15th, 2012
12:02 pm
Adam
From Yahoo News:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/report-white-house-halt-deportation-young-illegal-immigrants-133800284.html
Republicans have rushed to criticize the move as an executive overreach. “This decision avoids dealing with Congress and the American people instead of fixing a broken immigration system once and for all,” wrote Sen. Lindsay Graham, one of the few Congressional Republicans who supports immigration reform.
I notice that you only reference this blog as proof. I think I have found your problem.
Adam
June 15th, 2012
12:02 pm
Obama’s lesson for our youth. If you don’t like the laws ignore them.
GOP’s message to the country: If you don’t like the laws, try to make sure that people can’t enforce them (CFPB, EPA, Dept of Ed, etc) and try to get them overturned (ACA).
josef
June 15th, 2012
12:02 pm
ST SIMONS
Kinda interesting take…
http://www.capitalismv3.com/2012/04/17/a-not-so-funny-all-too-true-anti-immigration-cartoon/
barking frog
June 15th, 2012
12:04 pm
A highway patrolman does
not arrest every speeder,
a president has a little more
authority than a highway
patrolman.
Better Off? No.
June 15th, 2012
12:04 pm
Lord Help Us
Courts can’t stop executive orders. They can challenge it and it will eventually go through the legal process.
But you answered my question. A Republican should be stopped by the courts but anyone complaining about an over-reaching Democrat needs a fainting couch.
This is why you vote Democrat.
Don't Forget
June 15th, 2012
12:04 pm
Many, many times I did not want to make those arrests for various reasons.
Maybe you should have resigned like thos Marine Corps generals from the Viet Nam era who wish they had.
Peadawg
June 15th, 2012
12:04 pm
“Getting mad at a politician for seeking votes is like getting mad at a cow for eating grass.”
Or for getting mad a a politician for raising money.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 15th, 2012
12:06 pm
Pages 4 and 5 make it clear that ICE was ALREADY considering age, school attendance and lawful behavior in the US (despite being here without documentation) as a matter of departmental policy. The President’s EO simply formalizes what ICE was already doing in the first place.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Exercising_Prosecutorial_Discretion_Consistent_with_the_Civil_Immigration_Enforcement_Priorities_ofthe_Agency_for_the_Apprehension%2C_Detention%2C_and_Removal_of_Aliens.pdf
Adam
June 15th, 2012
12:06 pm
I notice that you only reference this blog as proof. I think I have found your problem.
The link that I posted was not meant as a method of proof for my case that Obama is not going to have unlimited power if he wins in November. Here is the link I gave you again:
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/06/15/obama-offers-temporary-reprieve-to-young-illegal-immigrants/?cp=2#comment-983872
And here is what it says, a post of my own:
Better off: Let’s discuss whether or not Obama has placed massive environmental regulations.
This was in response to your request that I “let you know” when I’d like to discuss something.
My case for why Obama won’t have unlimited power if he wins in November is this:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html
weetamoe
June 15th, 2012
12:07 pm
Happy he agrees with Rick Perry and the Bushes. Jessica Colotl, new college grad, already has a job. What’s wrong with you slackers complaining that you *did everything right* and can’t get a job and have a whole buncha student loans to pay off?
Dawg'88
June 15th, 2012
12:07 pm
Just another election ploy for 2012. Trying to get the Latino vote. Shameful politics. Bypassing Congress is arrogant and undermines the Founding Fathers ideas of checks and balances. Its also a policy that is unsustainable.
One…how will the government know that the “child” came into the US being forced?
Two…how will the government know that the “child” came into the US before the age of 16?
Three…who determines this anyway?
Why those questions? Because there will be no documentation to back up One or Two. Remember they are here illegally. They haven’t registered with the US for anything. So there is no proof of the status of the individual.
You guys here are so gullible…looking for anything that you perceive to help this lying/devisive/deceitful/immoral man to win again in 2012. He is the face of the Culture of Death. Help the illegal immigrants but kill innocent babies in the womb. Help illegal immigrants but don’t say a word about the forced abortions in China that our beloved President thinks we should keep funding.
Just the other day…a mother was forced to abort a her baby because she already had a child. She was beaten and held down for an abortion while 5 months pregnant. Then they laid the baby next to her to teach her a lesson. Pictures of this have been widely noted. China’s one child policy is supported with our tax dollars.
Yeah…Obama is a compassionate person…yeah right. Compassionate for one group maybe (but for political reasons only). Funny how it took him 3 and 1/2 years to form this policy. Pull out the trump card just in time. Compassionate for Fluke who was a planted surrogate for his administration.
He is not compassionate for this mother mentioned above however.
He has remained sadly silent in this situation…Why?
Please don’t tell me that he shouldn’t comdemn this known atrocity…if you do…what does that say about you. Don’t believe me…check the link below. Or will you stick your head in the sand and ignore it?
The ugly truth is not easy to see. But when a man like Obama supports this through tax dollars and deafening silence…he is not worthy of any praise at any time…even if this policy seems humane and just.
Funny…he supports China’s kiling of innocent for political reasons also. Gotta make sure China doesn’t call in the note on us for the money we borrow to support radical agendas of killing the most vulnerable and innocent in our world (not illegal immigrants under the age of 16)….the Unborn!
Stop the maddness before its too late!
Obama….The Abortion President!
God is Pro Life and He is watching!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 15th, 2012
12:08 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
“You seem to be operating on an mistaken assumption here. Are you making the claim that ICE makes arrests at the behest of the *judiciary?*”
You know better than that. Arrests (law enforcement) are made at the behest of the American citizenry through their elected representatives as signed by the President and upheld by the courts.
When the executive branch later decides what laws to enforce and what laws to not enforce ……. the system starts to break down. One side might like it but then that encourages the other side to later do the same thing ………… and then fairness goes out the door.
Fraught with peril.
ragnar danneskjold
June 15th, 2012
12:08 pm
I am a conservative who believes Congress is incompetent to set quotas for immigration. (Actually Congress is incompetent for almost every element of economic management, and immigration is merely one of those.) There are several law-related areas ancillary to immigration well within the purview of Congressional remedy, but our vacuous leader has stumbled into a rational solution to the irrational legislative problem.
Oblama
June 15th, 2012
12:08 pm
Original Thought- You lack logic. WE are talking about laws here. You are justifying violating the law if it does not harm the economy? Change the law – don’t violate it. Do you understand that the President of the United States takes a legal OATH to support the laws of the United States and Obama has violated his Oath of Office? This is an impeachable offense if he follows through with it. You can’t just pick and choose which laws you want to observe if you are President of the United States. That’s an abuse of power.
Lord Help Us
June 15th, 2012
12:09 pm
‘A Republican should be stopped by the courts but anyone complaining about an over-reaching Democrat needs a fainting couch.’
Nope. Works the same…checks and balances as intended by our founding fathers.
Perhaps you are misinformed about how our Nation’s government functions…
Peadawg
June 15th, 2012
12:09 pm
“What’s wrong with you slackers complaining that you *did everything right*”
Jessica didn’t do everything right. She lied twice (see my 10:57).
stands for decibels
June 15th, 2012
12:10 pm
Or for getting mad a a politician for raising money.
PD, if you’re referring back to the last thread, you’re missing the point. Politicians aren’t *raising* this money. Wealthy men with their own agendas are *using* this money, unregulated, with absolutely no means of tracing the source if that’s what they wish.
And I’ll continue to be angry about that.
Adam
June 15th, 2012
12:10 pm
But you answered my question. A Republican should be stopped by the courts but anyone complaining about an over-reaching Democrat needs a fainting couch.
Actually I would not classify this particular thing as an overreach. It is just deemed such by the CONSERVATIVE MEDIA because it is one way Congress is not involved. Executive Orders are something a President has power to issue, Constitutionally.
This particular executive order is just an extension of what the government was headed towards before the great rightward leap of the GOP. Both parties agreed on it not too long ago, and actually they were agreeing on something more than this.
Dawg'88
June 15th, 2012
12:10 pm
Here’s the link mentioned:
http://shanghaiist.com/attachments/shang_kenneth/forced-abortion-shaanxi.jpg
BTW…Chinese officials have apologized to her. Isn’t that nice and compassionate. Only after public outcry….but not from Obama!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 15th, 2012
12:11 pm
Don’t Forget:
“Many, many times I did not want to make those arrests for various reasons.
Maybe you should have resigned like thos Marine Corps generals from the Viet Nam era who wish they had.”
And I think you miss the point. Yes, I could have resigned but since I DIDN’T ………. I upheld my oath to the Constitition and did my duty and left to others their duties under the Constitution.
Tom B.
June 15th, 2012
12:12 pm
So, 20 years ago, when I was 1, my parents robbed a bank. They happened to take me with them and I was in the get-away car. At 15 I find the stash of money we have been living off of and I inquire about it. I am told about what happened way back then. Jump 6 years and I’m in college. The feds finally solve the robbery, know I was in the get-away car, know I was told at 15 and for the past 6 years I have kept quite about it, not telling the cops and lying to who I need to so i can keep on living the dream life.
No one has died of the result but I have broke quite a few laws.
Should I be held accountable?
/fable
Peadawg
June 15th, 2012
12:12 pm
“Compassionate for Fluke who was a planted surrogate for his administration.”
Yet Obama didn’t give a damn about the vile things said about Sarah Palin and still takes donations from those who said stuff.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 15th, 2012
12:12 pm
0311 — “You know better than that. Arrests (law enforcement) are made at the behest of the American citizenry through their elected representatives as signed by the President and upheld by the courts.”
And YOU know better than that. ALL prosecutors at ALL levels routinely exercise prosecutorial discretion. As I demonstrated above, the President merely formalized what was ALREADY departmental policy.
“When the executive branch later decides what laws to enforce and what laws to not enforce ……. the system starts to break down. One side might like it but then that encourages the other side to later do the same thing ………… and then fairness goes out the door.”
Read my 12:06 and educate yourself.
stands for decibels
June 15th, 2012
12:13 pm
Obama….The Abortion President!
Hey, that reminds me.
What do you think of Romney’s $50 Abortions?
Such a deal, am I right? I mean, why bother with birth control when Romneycare lets you kill yer baby for just fifty bucks?
ryan
June 15th, 2012
12:13 pm
With that permit will come a voter registration card
Butch Cassidy
June 15th, 2012
12:13 pm
Dawg 88 – “Help illegal immigrants but don’t say a word about the forced abortions in China”
Hey wait, I thought Republicans loved the Chinese business methods. Isn’t that what generates huge profits. And aren’t huge profits what business men like? And isn’t someone we know, who is a former business man running for POTUS? Why do you hate Mitt Romney and America?
Adam
June 15th, 2012
12:13 pm
No one has died of the result but I have broke quite a few laws.
Should I be held accountable?
It’s beyond the statute of limitations in this scenario.
getalife
June 15th, 2012
12:13 pm
Now, he should legalize the weed for the young voters.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 15th, 2012
12:14 pm
Peadawg — “Jessica didn’t do everything right. She lied twice (see my 10:57).”
I’ve already responded to you on exactly this point.
SomaAtl95
June 15th, 2012
12:14 pm
This focuses on CHILDREN brought here by their PARENTS who broke the law. All of you that are bi*ching about this, I have a question. Say a good ole corn fed American citizen takes his child into a store, attempts to rob it and ends up murdering the store owner. Do you prosecute the child, whose only crime was that their parent brought them inside the store?
Mock and ridicule me all you want, but punishing a child for something the parent does is wrong, no matter the nationality or circumstance. Would any of you want your children to pay dearly for your own sins?
Peadawg
June 15th, 2012
12:14 pm
“PD, if you’re referring back to the last thread” – Good someone caught that.
“And I’ll continue to be angry about that.” – Go right ahead. I still say you, Jay, and others wouldn’t say a peep if it was turned around but oh well.
Adam
June 15th, 2012
12:14 pm
Peadawg: Yet Obama didn’t give a damn about the vile things said about Sarah Palin and still takes donations from those who said stuff.
BOTH parties do that
Dawg'88
June 15th, 2012
12:15 pm
I was wrong about one thing….the woman was 7 Months Pregnant not 5…Guess that doesn’t bother some of you though…have you been brave enough to look at that photo?
Head in Sand huh?
You might not look but its still true and it happened.
Sad…look the other way.
Oblama
June 15th, 2012
12:15 pm
An executive order can be stopped when it violates the law. Obama’s not KING. He has to observe the law.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 15th, 2012
12:16 pm
josef:
“A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side.”
Aristotle
Common Sense
June 15th, 2012
12:16 pm
Obama’s 1 term predicition if he did not get the job done in 3 years was the only honest statement he has made during the last 4 years.
Adam
June 15th, 2012
12:16 pm
Dawg: The photo doesn’t back up your claims of its origin or the several other claims you made regarding that origin.
Feral Heathen
June 15th, 2012
12:17 pm
This great news….for the industrial military complex…more fresh young meat for Obamas new wars he has planned…grind em up and spit out corspes.
Adam
June 15th, 2012
12:17 pm
An executive order can be stopped when it violates the law. Obama’s not KING. He has to observe the law.
Ok, so why has it not been stopped or suggested that it will be stopped in this manner?
stands for decibels
June 15th, 2012
12:17 pm
I still say you, Jay, and others wouldn’t say a peep if it was turned around
I would be hard pressed to imagine a scenario where I would support a policy that prevented people from knowing who funded a political ad.
But that’s irrelevant. this is a here-and-now concern, not a hypothetical.
PJ
June 15th, 2012
12:17 pm
Why don’t we just start off every presidential term with an impeachment proceeding and a special prosecutor and get this out of the way quickly so that all the conspiracy people and constitutionalists can get their jollies off sooner.
Common Sense
June 15th, 2012
12:17 pm
“BOTH parties do that ”
And so that makes it ok?
Adam
June 15th, 2012
12:17 pm
Obama’s 1 term predicition if he did not get the job done in 3 years was the only honest statement he has made during the last 4 years.
Saved for the I Told You So thread in November
Brunnhilde
June 15th, 2012
12:17 pm
Since we have an illegal alien in The White House, why is this news?
Appears to be some disenchantment amongst the libs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-obama-needs-a-plan-now/2012/06/14/gJQAjvbXdV_story.html?hpid=z2
Wonder if Bookman will ever jump ship. Even rats know when it’s time to get off.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 15th, 2012
12:17 pm
Tom B. — “The feds finally solve the robbery, know I was in the get-away car, know I was told at 15 and for the past 6 years I have kept quite about it, not telling the cops and lying to who I need to so i can keep on living the dream life. No one has died of the result but I have broke quite a few laws.
Should I be held accountable?”
I can’t see what you’re accountable FOR. Your presence as an infant was incidental and in no way implicates you (clearly a baby can’t form the requisite intent to conspire and pull off a bank robbery). And even though you were told later in your life, you STILL have no evidence that that’s what happened and you can only go on the word of those telling you. There’s no conclusive record or evidence tying teenaged or adult you to the crime.
I’d say that even if you were to come forward, the police would take a statement, but it would be of limited prosecutorial value. And even if a prosecution WERE undertaken, I can’t see how you could be substantively implicated.
Better Off? No.
June 15th, 2012
12:18 pm
Adam
Sure. Environment: Here’s a start. You will need to catch up to basic knowledge before you start whining about proof that the sky is blue.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/08/news/economy/environment_jobs/index.htm
The article is from CNN so their point is that these massive regulations haven’t hurt the economy which of course is why CNN is reaching for the bottom of cable news ratings.
Here’s an article from the Huffington Post that you might like:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/30/barack-obama-economy_n_942142.html
Again not even making a big deal about the number or regulations but instead, the effect of those regulations.
Obama doesn’t care about the Constitution. You are supporting him for reaching far past his authority and passing something that you agree with. Say what you want, but I’m pretty sure your envelope of tolerance of what Obama would do would have you supporting him, no matter what he decided to do. But just for fun. You tell me: what would Obama need to do that would make him lose you as a supporter?
Peadawg
June 15th, 2012
12:18 pm
“Neither of those offenses rises to the Federal standard of deportation. ” – I missed this, Joe. MY bad.
That may be the case but people really need to stop putting her up on a pedestal and using her as an example.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 15th, 2012
12:19 pm
Joe Hussein Mama @ 12:12
Agree to disagree. They system is breaking down and that does not bode well for the future.
Prosecutors make decisions on whether the evidence for a conviction is there …………. they don’t mess with the LAW ! That’s for Congress.
Adam
June 15th, 2012
12:20 pm
I’m surprised Dana Milbank forgot about the American Jobs Act. Or is that not a plan?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 15th, 2012
12:21 pm
Just curious. I guess the government can legally give work visas to those who are in violation of the law?
Wacky….
Peadawg
June 15th, 2012
12:21 pm
“Since we have an illegal alien in The White House”
Bro! We need the face palm!!!
stands for decibels
June 15th, 2012
12:22 pm
Forced abortions?
Anyone willing to bet our
mystery meatDawg’88 was leading with torches and pitchforks when Tom Delay’s role in facilitating forced abortions was revealed?How’d that work out for ya, Dawg?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 15th, 2012
12:22 pm
0311 — “Prosecutors make decisions on whether the evidence for a conviction is there …………. they don’t mess with the LAW ! That’s for Congress.”
Again, read the link in my 12:06. ICE is clearly saying ‘look, we don’t have the resources or manpower to chase down every illegoso in the country, so let’s be lenient in these cases (list of mitigating considerations) and let’s focus on these cases (list of aggravating considerations).’
Seriously, read it. It’s the same thing that Obama’s saying; he’s just formalizing it.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 15th, 2012
12:23 pm
Peadawg — “That may be the case but people really need to stop putting her up on a pedestal and using her as an example.”
To be fair, she’s a good local example of how every illegoso/illegosa does NOT automatically get deported.
Adam
June 15th, 2012
12:23 pm
Better Off: I am reading your articles now, but I decided to read your whole post. But when you do this:
Obama doesn’t care about the Constitution
I then highly doubt, again, that you have any interest in real discussion. Agree to drop that kind of obvious nonsense please. In the meantime, I will read your articles and get back to you on ACTUALLY discussing politics. I might even answer your final question when this is all over, but not before because I’m not falling for your deflection and distraction attempt.
stands for decibels
June 15th, 2012
12:24 pm
Appears to be some disenchantment amongst the libs
When you see a WaPo link posted by a conservative, odds are approximately infinity to one that it was linked over at Mattie’s Courier-Type Nooze Emporium.
Better Off? No.
June 15th, 2012
12:25 pm
Adam
Read this: http://townhall.com/columnists/stephaniehessler/2012/06/15/obama_v_the_constitution/page/2
I stand by what I said about Obama not caring about the constitution.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 15th, 2012
12:25 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
“Strawman” !
We could solve this problem tomorrow if every benefit given to illegals was withdrawn and EVERY employer was heavily fined (or indicted if they did it knowingly) for hiring illegals.
By not solving this problem now, we are leaving to our grandchildren the problem of trying to save a country.
Steve
June 15th, 2012
12:26 pm
So once the illegal alien becomes an adult they can get a job rather than that job going to someone here legally?
Obama…2 steps behind logic and fading fast.
josef
June 15th, 2012
12:26 pm
Is Obama an illegal alien? Well, he was born in Hawaii from a family that was not resident in 1893, so ask the real Hawaiians, and he probably is. D*mned illegal aliens…
Oblama
June 15th, 2012
12:26 pm
Obama is “The Great Divider” and our 1st “Reality Show” President. Yes he is pandering for the Latino vote – that’s obvious since he has done this JUST before the election……….. just like he is pandering for the “GAY” vote by “evolving” for “same sex” marriage right before the election. He would also “evolve” for legalized weed for the youth vote BUT he is not sure if that will help him with the voters. His handlers will let him know what he thinks about that at the right time. He’s a puppet. Special interests pull his strings and tells him what to “evolve” to next.
PJ
June 15th, 2012
12:26 pm
getalife @12:13 pm
Totally man.
stands for decibels
June 15th, 2012
12:26 pm
JHM, thanks for that ICE link @ 12.06.
I’m definitely saving that for future conversations.
Get Real
June 15th, 2012
12:27 pm
Adam take your head out of your colon and you might have a better view of the world. How old are you 18??
Adam
June 15th, 2012
12:29 pm
Better off: The main topic I wanted to discuss that you agreed to discuss: Whether or not Obama has placed massive regulations.
Your first article:
The president has the power to stop the EPA, although that power is subject to court challenge. Congress can also stop the agency if it changes the law. But barring either of those events, the EPA has the authority to act on its own, and that’s exactly what it’s doing.
Unless you’re arguing that the President should review every single change they try to make and stop nearly all of them to prove he’s not over-regulating (which is mental masturbation), the President is not responsible for changes the EPA makes on its own. What he IS responsible for is when he DOES take action to stop them, such as he did in the article I showed you earlier.
In addition, both your first and second article indicate the administration is “considering” new regulations, but of the ones mentioned some were not actually implemented and the remaining ones do not amount to “massive regulations.”
You should be happy by now that I am using only your own evidence. Shall I provide some of my own evidence that he is actually NOT causing a massive regulation problem with regard to the environment?
Oblama
June 15th, 2012
12:29 pm
Lesson for today: If you get in to this country illegally and have children here that will vote Dem in the future then you can stay. Laws are for suckers.
Adam
June 15th, 2012
12:30 pm
Adam take your head out of your colon and you might have a better view of the world. How old are you 18??
And this is in response to what, exactly?
ty webb
June 15th, 2012
12:31 pm
Pandering for pandering’s sake…and Ms. Colotl’s case is precisely why student ID’s should not be acceptable forms of photo ID when voting.
Jimmy62
June 15th, 2012
12:31 pm
He coulda done this any time in the last four years. Why now? Elections, duh! Repeat after me, Obama doesn’t care about you or anyone else, except that you are a potential vote.
I can’t say Romney is different, but at least not many people fool themselves into thinking he cares. Lots of otherwise intelligent people still seem to think Obama cares.
Oblama
June 15th, 2012
12:32 pm
Oblama’s platform ” Laws are for suckers”………. vote Obama.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 15th, 2012
12:32 pm
0311 — “Joe Hussein Mama: “Strawman” !”
You don’t seem to actually know what a Strawman IS.
A Strawman is something *made up* — and quickly disposed of — to support a position. I didn’t make that document up. It quite clearly proves that ICE was ALREADY operating under the same policy that Obama just articulated.
“We could solve this problem tomorrow if every benefit given to illegals was withdrawn and EVERY employer was heavily fined (or indicted if they did it knowingly) for hiring illegals.”
I agree, except that generally speaking, illegosos aren’t eligible for most forms of public assistance.
“By not solving this problem now, we are leaving to our grandchildren the problem of trying to save a country.”
I think President Obama *is* trying to solve the problem. Perhaps not in a way you approve of, but trying nonetheless.
Given how many illegosos there are estimated to be in the US and how few ICE agents and confinement facilities there are, what solution would you propose instead?
td
June 15th, 2012
12:32 pm
Jay and the rest of you libs,
I do not want to hear you griping when President Romney signs an executive order to ban all abortions (on protecting human life grounds) because of the precedents that Obama has established of taking action when human life is at stake and Congress will not act in a fast enough manner.
Matti
June 15th, 2012
12:32 pm
Joe Mama: “ICE is clearly saying ‘look, we don’t have the resources or manpower to chase down every illegoso in the country, so let’s be lenient in these cases (list of mitigating considerations) and let’s focus on these cases (list of aggravating considerations).’”
Maybe Scout is for bigger government! Maybe he wants his taxes raised so the federal government can quadruple the resources employed for the purpose of hunting everyone down, demanding they show their papers, and investigating those papers thoroughly before allowing them to finish walking down the street. Freedom ain’t free, you know! Neither are tyranny or fascism.
Better Off? No.
June 15th, 2012
12:33 pm
Adam
We are in a severe economic downtown. Yes, the EPA under Obama could be stopped by Obama and is not. I suppose asking for leadership at this point is a little silly.
- -You should be happy by now that I am using only your own evidence. – -
No. It would be refreshing to think that you do know how to opearate a search engine.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 15th, 2012
12:33 pm
Adam
June 15th, 2012
12:30 pm
That he had nothing constructive to say, and wanting the last word, he chose an insult…brainy, ain’t he?
Latina and Legal
June 15th, 2012
12:34 pm
Vote 2012! Woot Woot! 2016 elections vamos!
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate...er, I mean President
June 15th, 2012
12:34 pm
Hey, how Obama won’t have to deport himself!!!
the cat
June 15th, 2012
12:34 pm
From this article, it appears two republicans are on board:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/06/barbour-criticizes-romney-on-immigration/1
stands for decibels
June 15th, 2012
12:34 pm
Yes he is pandering for the Latino vote
He’s already way the hell out in front with that demographic. With this announcement, it would seem he’s seriously risking the alienation of some swing state voters.
Again I ask–how is this pandering?
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate...er, I mean President
June 15th, 2012
12:35 pm
Oops, I meant “now” not how
Joe Hussein Mama
June 15th, 2012
12:35 pm
td — “I do not want to hear you griping when President Romney signs an executive order to ban all abortions (on protecting human life grounds)”
0311, look right here. THIS is a Strawman.
td’s asserting that a future President Romney should be able to strip Americans of a settled right, and he’s comparing that with President Obama directing ICE to use prosecutorial discretion. He’s comparing apples and oranges.
Not even close, td, but a good try.
the cat
June 15th, 2012
12:35 pm
td-there will never be a President Romney except perhaps at the country club.
219 more days
June 15th, 2012
12:36 pm
News Flash, Flute backs O’Bama………whoda thunk it?
Adam
June 15th, 2012
12:36 pm
Better off: Do you just believe whatever you read? First sentence of the article on Obama v The Constitution:
Making illegal appointments is just one way Obama has undermined the separation of powers
No, dude. Those appointments were not illegal. If they were there would have been a court challenge by the House Republicans who have that power. In addition, the Constitution SPECIFICALLY GRANTS the President the ability to make recess appointments. And as has been pointed out here frequently, the Congress just SAYING they aren’t in a recess isn’t enough, and leads to such telling lines as “When we get back we’ll hold him accountable.” As Jay said, “Back from what? The recess they’re not having?”
He has also skirted his duty to fairly implement the laws.
Second sentence. Entirely subjective. What is “fair” to this person? Is it “fair” to deport every Hispanic in the country?
Take, for instance, Obama’s war in Libya. The War Powers Resolution requires the president to terminate the use of armed forces within 60 days after hostilities begin unless Congress authorizes military action.
While this may be a fair point, Congress let him go on that one. Why? Because when THEY have power they will want to do THE SAME or WORSE. They should have fought tooth and nail, but no, they remained oddly silent except for a few outliers. In addition, there is considerable debate as to whether having armed troops on the ground is the threshold for this.
Shall I go on about that article or will you simply admit that the President DOES care about the Constitution, and that you just think your interpretation of the Constitution is somehow paramount?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 15th, 2012
12:36 pm
ty webb
June 15th, 2012
12:31 pm
Then neither should any picture I.D. Maybe we should just do retina scans in order to vote…
Jefferson
June 15th, 2012
12:37 pm
Its easy to tell if its good policy — when the GOP lackys act like the future of mankind is over and they start in with the baby talk.
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate...er, I mean President
June 15th, 2012
12:37 pm
this just in…..El Presidente Obama has declared Spanish as the official language of the USA
He will be announcing this at the Rose Garden, mariachi band to play afterwards
They BOTH suck
June 15th, 2012
12:37 pm
Scout @ 12:25
I’m with you on closing the borders. Obama and previous Presidents have done an overall piss poor job in that regards.
With that said, there will be no mass deportation of any sort that takes place. Certain laws in different states might change that lead some illegals to go home, however most will migrate to other states.
I say close the borders, inform all illegals that they must work via some sort of work visa, provide the means to obtain the visa and as you say start heavily fining businesses that utilize illegals without work visas.
There is not enough support in Congress (either party) nor resources to enforce laws that will achieve what you mentioned.
Both parties must come to a common sense goal and move forward.
More illegals have been deported under Obama than under Bush. The stem of illegals coming to America has come down, however it is due to economic conditions as much or more than any Fed or State law.
I’m sure you disagree to some extent or another, however if you are waiting for all illegals to voluntarily or involuntarily go home, let me wish you a long, long, long and prosperous life because it will be awhile before you get to see that happen.
But I do wish you a long and prosperous life, regardless.
Oblama
June 15th, 2012
12:38 pm
Mama – What solution? How about we observe the SAME immigration laws that Mexico has for illegal immigrants that come in to their country. Know you wouldn’t b happy with that. I have been to Mexico several times and they check every bag and every passport – coming and going. Illegals getto visit their jail free of charge and it’s not air conditioned.