Hillary: Russia arming Syria with attack ‘copters

One would assume that a player of Hillary Clinton’s experience would not make such a public charge unless she had considerable confidence that it was true and that she was prepared for the blowback it might create.

That said, from the New York Times:

“The Syria conflict fell deeper into crisis Tuesday as Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton publicly accused Russia of supplying attack helicopters to the Syrian government.

Her accusation came as international cease-fire monitors in Syria aborted a fact-finding trip after they came under assault by an angry mob and gunfire, and the top United Nations peacekeeping official said Syria was already in a state of civil war.

Those developments — coupled with a newly released United Nations report that accused the Syrian military of using Syrians as young as 8 as human shields for troops — overshadowed fresh diplomatic efforts by Kofi Annan, the special envoy to Syria, to advance a peace plan that that has basically been ignored since it was put into effect two months ago….

Russia has repeatedly denied sending any armaments to Mr. Assad that could be used to crush the uprising against him. But Mrs. Clinton said the United States was “concerned about the latest information we have that there are attack helicopters on their way from Russia to Syria.” The shipments, she warned, “would escalate the conflict quite dramatically.” “

The Russians have been the primary obstacle to a more aggressive U.N.-led effort to remove the Syrian leadership. However, it is one thing to serve as diplomatic cover for the mass killings being carried out in Syria; it is another to provide the Syrian government with the weapons needed to conduct such massacres on an even larger scale.

And of course, all such things in the Middle East are not merely connected but hopelessly intertwined. Russian cooperation in the U.N. and elsewhere is essential in putting pressure on Iran to abandon its nuclear program. Iran and Syria are allies in supporting Hezbollah in Lebanon. And while the Syrian regime has been brutal in attempting to suppress the uprising of its own people, those likely to take power should the current Assad dictatorship topple are likely to be brutal in turn to Syria’s Christian and Alawite minorities.

Some problems can at best be managed, not solved, and at the moment Syria is probably the best example of such a situation.

– Jay Bookman

447 comments Add your comment

Ben Shockley

June 12th, 2012
4:38 pm

I blame George W. Bush

Ben Shockley

June 12th, 2012
4:39 pm

Just kidding. Given Obaam’s clownish foreign policy, does this surprise anyone? Really???

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
4:40 pm

Russia I believe is building a naval base in Syria.

They will certainly be working to keep Assad in power, regardless of what they say.

Erwin's cat

June 12th, 2012
4:40 pm

I don’t think we can manage it either

Lord Help Us

June 12th, 2012
4:40 pm

Perhaps GWB can be a special envoy to Russia…he can gaze into Putin’s soul…

Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak

June 12th, 2012
4:41 pm

I blame socialism — BOO!

azreader

June 12th, 2012
4:41 pm

Apparently our only hope is that Syria’s rulers laugh so hard at our lack of military courage that they die of convulsions…

Recon 0311 2533

June 12th, 2012
4:41 pm

I guess Obama’s concessions to Russia haven’t paid off.

Aquagirl

June 12th, 2012
4:43 pm

Apparently our only hope is that Syria’s rulers laugh so hard at our lack of military courage that they die of convulsions…

Oh look, a volunteer. Do you need directions to the recruiting station?

Don't Forget

June 12th, 2012
4:44 pm

Well, those stinger missiles sure took care of the Russian helicopters in Afghanistan.

David

June 12th, 2012
4:44 pm

Russia isn’t going to put pressure on Syria, because Russia isn’t willing to risk further destabilization in the region.

Matti

June 12th, 2012
4:45 pm

Is the Cold War on again?

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
4:45 pm

Any “deal” that Russian might accept will come with an agreement that the “new government” allows them to keep their base. That’s even if they agree to anything of substance.

Time will tell

As “Lord Help Us” said I wonder if we can send Bush to broker a deal. After all he was able to look into Putin’s soul

Jm

June 12th, 2012
4:46 pm

Liberal response: let them just kill each other

I’m half inclined to agree

TaxPayer

June 12th, 2012
4:46 pm

Send in the drones.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 12th, 2012
4:47 pm

Recon — “I guess Obama’s concessions to Russia haven’t paid off.”

Clearly, trusting Russians is no smarter than trusting Republicans.

JamVet

June 12th, 2012
4:47 pm

I blame George W. Bush.

Well, he was the worst president in modern American history by far, so it’s understandable…

St Simons - official approver of E Warren's cheekbones

June 12th, 2012
4:47 pm

“Russia I believe is building a naval base in Syria.”

which is why the House Republicans approved that naval base
in Switzerland.

TaxPayer

June 12th, 2012
4:49 pm

Obama should make GW his special ambassador to Russia since he’s already looked into Putin’s eyes and knows how to block that hypnotic trance of his.

Recon 0311 2533

June 12th, 2012
4:49 pm

Is the Cold War on again?

Never really ended, we only thought it did.

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
4:49 pm

Jm

Now you know that is a bunch of crap

“Liberal response: let them just kill each other”

For various reason administrations on both sides have “let them kill each other” for years and years

Nothing new. We can both point to R and D as guilty. And we both can spout BS

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 12th, 2012
4:49 pm

Liberal response: let them just kill each other

Strawman alert!

Thulsa Doom

June 12th, 2012
4:49 pm

Hilary knows how to fight back she do- especially after dodging all that harrowing bullet fire in Bosnia.

Jm

June 12th, 2012
4:49 pm

“Matti
June 12th, 2012
4:45 pm

Is the Cold War on again?”

Kinda looks that way.

Romney said Russia was a big threat. I think he’s right, but china is a threat too. Damn pseudo-commie oligarchy totalitarian whatever they are bad people.

josef

June 12th, 2012
4:49 pm

This is about to get very messy. I read an interesting article recently about the pressure the Russian Orthodox hierarchy is putting on Putin relative to their long standing role as the protectors of the Orthodox Christians in what was the Ottoman Empire. The Maronites look to Rome. The Armenians to anybody but Turkey, but have a serious lobby group in the USA. The Shia look to Iran. The Druze look to Israel. The Alawites have no friends anywhere.

TaxPayer

June 12th, 2012
4:50 pm

Clearly, trusting Russians is no smarter than trusting Republicans.

At least the Russians will stab you in the front.

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
4:50 pm

Recon @ 4:49

I’m with you. Except for a few changes of the Soviet Union “break away” states, majority of the alliances are still the same

Jm

June 12th, 2012
4:52 pm

“Now you know that is a bunch of crap”

Not so far. Frankly, I don’t hear either side itching for intervention. Except McCain.

ragnar danneskjold

June 12th, 2012
4:53 pm

Fair and balanced, broadly agree. Bad situation, Only potential resolution I see will come from armed invasion, don’t think US is so inclined, and Israel – after the disastrous regime-change in Egypt – is probably more concerned about the potential successor than with the status quo.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 12th, 2012
4:55 pm

Well, boys will be boys. Far as I can tell, them Syrians don’t kill more than a couple hundred people a day. Besides, they’re all Towelheads. So when we get into the next war there won’t be as many of them to kill.

Maybe next time the Syrians vote they’ll elect somebody else to be President. That’s what we’re going to do in November and they can watch how we do it.

Maybe. Tho a Mormon ain’t much of a improvement over one of Those People.

Have a good night everybody.

Matti

June 12th, 2012
4:55 pm

Sooo, are we, or are we not the world’s policeman?

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
4:55 pm

Jm

Reread your original comment. It is a bunch of crap. Once again, depending on the political and economic situation as well as what country, we both can point to intervention or avoidance by administrations on both sides.

This situation is much trickier than Grenada or Libya to say the least

Loretta Paraguassu

June 12th, 2012
4:55 pm

Thank you, Hillary, for having the courage to speak out.

Recon 0311 2533

June 12th, 2012
4:56 pm

TBS,

Factor in China, the N.K., Iran and radical Islam and we have enemies well beyond what we once faced during the cold war. Certainly not the time for deep defense cuts IMO.

Don't Forget

June 12th, 2012
4:56 pm

Meanwhile, 70,000 protest against Putin in Moscow and Russian police raid the homes of opposition leaders.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 12th, 2012
4:57 pm

Jefferson

June 12th, 2012
4:58 pm

A Russian capitalist, they ain’t giving them away.

Don't Tread

June 12th, 2012
4:58 pm

The reset button must be stuck again…

Russia and China block every move to rein in Iran, Syria, and North Korea, and yet we still allow them access to our economy. Wonder why that is.

But I’m sure 0bama’s superior diplomatic skills will fix everything, and we can all sing kum-ba-yah afterward.

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
4:59 pm

Recon

All depends on what the cuts would be. Just like all areas of government, there is waste in the military. Cuts could be made with little to no changes in regards to the military’s ability to strike. However if every Senator and Congressmen (both D and R) is going to fight for every cut that may impact their district or state, that is another story.

Simple Truths

June 12th, 2012
5:00 pm

Don’t worry. Obama will have more freedom in his second term to address this issue with Russia too!

Jm

June 12th, 2012
5:00 pm

Tbs

I was not opining on the con position

The con position seems to also be: let them shoot it out

With a few minority cons saying: “let’s get involved”

I think we need to focus on the homefront myself

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
5:01 pm

“Wonder why that is.”

Because Big Bizz wants access to cheap labor and middle America is addicted to cheap products………….

Jm

June 12th, 2012
5:02 pm

Tbs

Please tell me which liberals are banging the war drums?

Don't Forget

June 12th, 2012
5:03 pm

St. Simons – which is why the House Republicans approved that naval base
in Switzerland.

:lol:

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
5:03 pm

Jm

Got you. The initial comment threw me off. I certainly don’t have the answer but it is going to get worse before it gets better in Syria

Matti

June 12th, 2012
5:03 pm

I’m already against the next war.

weetamoe

June 12th, 2012
5:04 pm

Romney’s comments about the threats posed by Russia were met with typical democrat *he’s so out of touch* sneers. But so far Obama’s promise of *smart diplomacy* has not been evidenced.
Kofi Annan should be in jail and the US should begin to realize after Srebrenica, Rwanda, Darfur, and countless other human tragedies that the UN is not only useless but has been at times a participant in violations of human rights. The unrelenting hatred of Bush continues on these pages but Obama’s crowning achievement will soon be the remarkable swiftness with which he has managed to rehabilitate Bush’s reputation.

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
5:04 pm

Jm

I am talking in “general” over time for both sides of the aisle. My reply to you was in response to your “Liberal comment………………….” in your initial post.

Right now, there isn’t much talk to my knowledge on either side.

McCain and Hillary……… maybe a few others

Jm

June 12th, 2012
5:05 pm

Does anyone know if Syria is a strategic asset to anyone?

If so, why? Seems the Russians value it…. For whatever reason.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 12th, 2012
5:06 pm

“And while the Syrian regime has been brutal in attempting to suppress the uprising of its own people, those likely to take power should the current Assad dictatorship topple are likely to be brutal in turn to Syria’s Christian and Alawite minorities.”

And even more brutal to the people of the United States if given the chance !

Welcome to “Arab Spring” !

Jefferson

June 12th, 2012
5:07 pm

Syria is nothing to fear. Nor is Russia.

Thulsa Doom

June 12th, 2012
5:09 pm

Hey Thulsa

According to Jm, your head has exploded, you get your information from your master and you’re a dimwit.

Does this mean you’ve come over to the Dark Side?- Paul

Paul,

They haven’t pulled my con card yet. And to stay a member in good standing for the good guys I lobbed one at Hilary on this thread. Suffice it to say I don’t drink even drink con koolaid and on social issues I’m more libertarian than con. I haven’t let the libs off the hook yet and I still plan on being the bane of their existence- although Ben Shockley seems to have monopolized that job today.

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
5:10 pm

Jm

Russia and Iran view Syria as a counter balance and strategically located. If Syria was located let’s say where Yemen or Sudan was located, I would say that Russia and Iran would have much less of a stake in Syria’s plight

josef

June 12th, 2012
5:11 pm

When the Christians and Alawi are slaughtered in the hundreds of thousands, and they will be, the world will act shocked and want to know how we let this happen. Well, we sat and wrung our hands and said “oh, dearie, but what could we do?” Do we never learn from the tragedies of the past? The time to act is before it happens. Let them fight it out? Fine, but let’s not come back later posturing about if (whoever) had done something….

What to do? I don’t know, but I do know that there are millions of lives hanging in the balance and the few lucky souls who are able to refugee? Where? What are the contingency plans even for that?

And let’s do at least be honest now. We don’t really care.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 12th, 2012
5:11 pm

Me, too, Matti.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 12th, 2012
5:11 pm

And in the meantime, we are doing this:

Headline: “Commander says Navy sending most advanced ships and planes to Pacific”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/12/commander-says-navy-sending-most-advanced-ships-and-planes-to-pacific/#ixzz1xcEWKbx8

Hummmm …………. “Air Raid Pearl Harbor …….. this is no drill !”

carlosgvv

June 12th, 2012
5:11 pm

Despite American claims to the contrary, The Cold War is not now over and never was over. Putin has never shed his KGB clothes and Russia is not our friend. We may co-operate at the space station but Russia’s arming Syria is a clear indication of just which way the cold war winds are blowing. The end of the cold war is merely a political illusion and wiahful thinking. Hillary has made this public. I wonder what other things the Russians have done that have not been made public.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 12th, 2012
5:13 pm

josef:

Wise words ……………. and in my opinion it will be much for dangerous for Israel !

Recon 0311 2533

June 12th, 2012
5:14 pm

TBS,

Cut waste, eliminate unnecessary bases both foreign and domestic, depart Afghanistan and concentrate on fire power build up both conventional and strategic along with missile defense. Refresh our combat arms and encourage re-enlistments to retrain combat experienced officers and NCO’s.

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
5:14 pm

josef

The world, including the US, didn’t seem to care about the Sudan or Rwanda and nothing that goes on in Syria will top the number of deaths that occurred in those countries.

Not saying tragedy isn’t happening as we speak in Syria and will continue for sometime, but no one should be surprised NOW.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 12th, 2012
5:14 pm

Headline: “White House To Press: ‘Do Your Jobs’ When Reporting On Obama’s Private Sector Remark”

Translation: White House To Press: “Do Your Liberal Press Jobs” !

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 12th, 2012
5:14 pm

Ohnoez! Now MRS. Zimmerman is in trouble with the court.

Well, all I got to say is, if lying’s a crime, every librul Democrat ought to be in the slammer.

Me MY Mine

June 12th, 2012
5:16 pm

Ms. Hillary is dead on balls accurate with her statements. Like her or not, she is correct. Russia is sending a slew of weapons into Syria in the hopes they kill enough “wannabes” to discourage the rest. Mr. Putin should re-read his history books; specifically Spain in the 1930’s…Eventually, the populace will win. He should pay mind to his own backyard..soon.

josef

June 12th, 2012
5:16 pm

SCOUT

Israel is prepared to take in the Druze and is prepared for 500,000 Alawi refugees in the Golan, their own security aside, but as a “how can we of all people watch it next door and do nothing?”

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 12th, 2012
5:16 pm

I’ll take “Irish Spring” over “Arab Spring” any day. Russia already has a naval base in Syria. What would you expect them to do? Can’t O’blamer send in a drone or something? If this was a conservative president, Jay would be ripping him a new one. I guess Russia and Syria don’t have that tingle going up their respective legs, eh? And to think, Kofi the crook Buffoon in the middle of it. Didn’t get enough kickbacks from “food for oil” crook??

USMC

June 12th, 2012
5:17 pm

“Hillary: Russia arming Syria with attack ‘copters”–JAY BOOKMAN

It looks like “Citizen of the world” Obama’s RESET BUTTON gimmick didn’t go over so well with his Bolshevik Brothers, the Russians… :-)

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
5:17 pm

Recon @ 5:14

No argument on that strategy from me at all. While I do think we have programs and weapon systems that are not paying dividends, the military also has worn out equipment from all that desert terrain fighting. That sand has taken a toll on equipment and to your point it must be replenished.

Skip

June 12th, 2012
5:18 pm

The important thing is that we have a boogie man to fear.Shame we need to recycle.

Sarah Gee

June 12th, 2012
5:19 pm

Obama and his lackeys in the press have kept a lid on it so far but this is another bit of evidence of Obama’s clulessless as a leader. In everthing he has touched, it seems that Obama is seriously out of his depth.
He is slowly coming into focus as only a political president, not a competent one.

Jm

June 12th, 2012
5:19 pm

Tbs counterbalance to whom? Israel? Us?

I mean I don’t think we much care what happens to Syria strategically.

Matti

June 12th, 2012
5:19 pm

How many of these episodes of tyranny and genocide were started or ordered by women?

USMC

June 12th, 2012
5:20 pm

Jefferson

June 12th, 2012
5:20 pm

War tax, eh ?

Jefferson

June 12th, 2012
5:21 pm

To think Romney would be better is insane, nobody liked him till he was all there was.

Jm

June 12th, 2012
5:22 pm

Then again, Syria is now in a shallow part of the swamp

Surrounded by turkey, Jordan, and now democratic Iraq

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
5:23 pm

TBS

Yes Russian and Iran utilize Syria as part of their strategy and counterbalance to the US and Israel. Just look where it is located in terms of Israel and the ME as a whole.

Russia is building a huge naval base in Syria to increase their military presence.

josef

June 12th, 2012
5:24 pm

BOTH

“…nothing that goes on in Syria will top the number of deaths that occurred in those countries.”

There are between 4 and 5 million Christians and Alawis, there were close to 1 million killed in Rwanda and Darfur some 500,000.

huh?

June 12th, 2012
5:25 pm

“Surrounded by turkey, Jordan, and now democratic Iraq”

What?

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
5:26 pm

“Surrounded by turkey, Jordan, and now democratic Iraq”

And you see why the Russians are building a base in Syria. While they will not have the troops in the ME like the US will have at any given time, they do want Uncle Sam to know that they are a formidable force along with Iran.

kayaker 71

June 12th, 2012
5:29 pm

Seems that the Democrats will be eating their own young before long. The economic message is a joke, Clinton wants Bozo to serve him his coffee, Carville is shouting above the din to push the reset button and Bozo just plays back the same ole socialist rhetoric that he has been using since 2009, seemingly oblivious to the real mess that the Democratic party finds itself. Intelligence date? Nah, it wasn’t me. I know, he is above all of that economic talk and that unemployment nonsense. But the Democratic party is in a bit of disarray it seems. You think that the GOP has problems…….

Recon 0311 2533

June 12th, 2012
5:29 pm

I wonder if Hilliary made that accusation without White House concurrence that she should do so. It doesn’t sound like something Obama would want advertised at this point because it paints his Russian strategy as ineffective.

Jm

June 12th, 2012
5:30 pm

Tbs – did you want to call my initial hand grenade “asinine”? :)

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
5:30 pm

josef

Understand, however are you not assuming that if the $hit really hits the fan that all will be killed? The world including the US to your point will probably let it get pretty bad before they intervene, however the US isn’t going to allow Syria and their allies to kill off that many Christians. Heck, all of those Christians are not anti Assad.

To your point, depending on who would take over, there would be some ethnic and religious “cleansing” to some degree or another

Thulsa Doom

June 12th, 2012
5:31 pm

“The world, including the US, didn’t seem to care about the Sudan or Rwanda”

They both suck,

And that is a damn shame. And personally I attribute it to the blatant corruption and inhumanity of those worthless folks down at the U.N. That organization imdo is utterly worthless.

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
5:34 pm

Thulsa

I wouldn’t say the entire organization is worthless, but I would agree that their record in regards to brokering peace is less than stellar.

Jay

June 12th, 2012
5:34 pm

“And personally I attribute it to the blatant corruption and inhumanity of those worthless folks down at the U.N. That organization imdo is utterly worthless.”

Oh please. The United States had no interest in going into either Rwanda or Sudan, and the UN sure as hell didn’t stop us. If the UN doesn’t act it’s because the member states of the UN refuse to allow it to do so. You can’t blame the entity for being powerless if everyone WANTS it to be powerless.

Jackie

June 12th, 2012
5:35 pm

Does anyone have a plan to stop the carnage in Syria; stop the Russians from opposing everything at the UN?; stop the Chinese from selling their products through WalMart billionaires?

Anyone????

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
5:35 pm

Jm

It is all good. Slight one sided to say the least, but it is all good

Mick

June 12th, 2012
5:35 pm

I love the con spin on world events as if the superpower world police can and should pull all the strings. Reality intervenes, kind of like how we were told how the iraqi’s would be welcoming us with flowers…

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 12th, 2012
5:36 pm

If Turkey was attacked from the rear, would Greece help??

josef

June 12th, 2012
5:37 pm

BOTH

With all due respect, you underestimate the readiness of and capacity to slaughter these two groups. And just like Rwanda and Bosnia, I think you are being overly optimistic about what the US (and the West) will allow. Yes, I think the overwhelming majority of the Christians and Alawis are already in the gun sights…and that will spill over into Lebanon and then Egypt. And I don’t think that the Sunni will wait for a regime change.

independent thinker

June 12th, 2012
5:37 pm

I thought Saint Ronald got rid of those Commie b–ds for good. Maybe i have been watching too many fox News reports. Time to go back to “Bedtime for Bonzo” to see the true Saint Ronald in action.
. Now the Russians got a better economy than us and have total control over two of the worst regimes in the world- Iran and Syria. They and the Chinese are laughing at the economic problems of the West and our endless war in Afghanistan Maybe Saint Willard will slay them all for good this time. Time for another unfunded trillion dollar neo-con war. Lets go nuclear this time!

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
5:44 pm

josef

We will just have to agree to disagree in terms of what is our own projections and predictions. While I agree to an extent of what you are saying, I would disagree that it would just be Christians and Alawis. If it goes “crazy”, you are going to have factions and alliances of every type either of us could ever imagine. Yes, much will be on religious lines, however you will have inter-fighting, etc.

Personally I don’t see Syria descending into that degree of anarchy, however there will be more bloodshed before it is over.

John Ellison

June 12th, 2012
5:44 pm

Obama can be more flexible after the elections.

USMC

June 12th, 2012
5:45 pm

“Does anyone have a plan to stop the carnage in Syria; stop the Russians from opposing everything at the UN?; stop the Chinese from selling their products through WalMart billionaires? Anyone????”
–Jackie

Comrade Obama has a RESET BUTTON “thingamajig” he can pull out and press to take care of all of your ills. Hold on there… Don’t forget to pull the lever with the big “D” when voting… LOL! :-)

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 12th, 2012
5:45 pm

If the UN doesn’t act it’s because the member states of the UN refuse to allow it to do so. You can’t blame the entity for being powerless if everyone WANTS it to be powerless.

So Jay, you have no problem with Hugo Chavez or Putin cancelling out a United States vote with a vote against, even if it’s in the best interest of the United States? Interesting.

They BOTH suck

June 12th, 2012
5:47 pm

Fresh Prince

If the US along with the West want to do something they can go NATO if they “really” want to intervene.

Jay

June 12th, 2012
5:48 pm

Quite the silly strawman you erected there, Prince.

Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)

June 12th, 2012
5:49 pm

“So Jay, you have no problem with Hugo Chavez or Putin cancelling out a United States vote with a vote against, even if it’s in the best interest of the United States? Interesting”

the only thing they can “cancel” is the use of UN forces and resources. If the USA considers action to be in our best interests they can’t stop us from going it alone.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 12th, 2012
5:51 pm

So are you a Kofi Annan fan Jay?