Jeb: Reagan, Bush Sr. ‘would have hard time’ in new GOP

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From the New York Times:

“Former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida said his father, George Bush, and Ronald Reagan would find themselves out of step with today’s Republican Party because of its strict adherence to ideology and the intensity of modern partisan warfare.

“Ronald Reagan would have, based on his record of finding accommodation, finding some degree of common ground, similar to my dad, they would have had a hard time if you define the Republican Party — and I don’t — as having an orthodoxy that doesn’t allow for disagreement,” Mr. Bush said at a question-and-answer session with reporters and editors held Monday morning in Manhattan by Bloomberg View.

“Back to my dad’s time or Ronald Reagan’s time,” he said, “they got a lot of stuff done with a lot of bipartisan support that right now would be difficult to imagine happening.”

I think that’s notable for several reasons. It helps to explain why Bush, like Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie and other more pragmatic Republicans, declined to run for president this cycle even though, as Jeb said last week, “This was probably my time.” They were unwilling to claim to believe the nonsense that is required to win the nomination in this day and age, and abandoned the field to the far-more-malleable and opportunistic Mitt Romney.

Jeb’s more honest appraisal of his party is a welcome if belated effort to pull it back from the brink and force it to become more responsible. As the former Florida governor noted last week:

“Here’s what I know to be true. Next year or the year after there’s going to have to be a grand bargain. We are on an unsustainable course. It is not possible to continue to do what we are going — what we’re doing today. It’s just not possible. And I think most people that have looked at our structural deficit problems would admit it. If they were put on a lie detector or, you know, under oath or something like that, they would admit it.”

Asked about comments to Congress that he would be willing to take a hypothetical $10 in budget cuts for every $1 in higher revenue, Bush said his willingness to take that deal shows that he is no longer seeking office as a Republican.

“It was living proof I’m not running for anything I think more than anything else,” Bush said.

I’ve said it before repeatedly: This nation needs a sane, rational and conservative Republican Party, and those adjectives — “sane, rational and conservative”– should not be and need not be contradictory, as they have become in recent years.

I agree with Jeb about the necessity of a grand bargain on the nation’s financial future. But I very much worry that Republican leadership and the Republican media machine have succeeded so well in drilling the “no new taxes” mantra into the head of their base that they no longer have any room in which to manuever and negotiate.

Given his statements in recent days, I suspect that Jeb Bush has had similar thoughts.

– Jay Bookman

1,055 comments Add your comment

saywhat?

June 11th, 2012
1:17 pm

ken

June 11th, 2012
1:21 pm

One thing for sure, they wouldn’t have Van Jones around !!!!!!!!!

Truth

June 11th, 2012
1:22 pm

Not to mention the the fact that going against the democrats can be deadly these days…

kelly

June 11th, 2012
1:22 pm

You won’t get sanity and rationality from a party with many elected members willing to sign pledges to unelected individuals or groups, ie Grover Norquist and the Club for Growth. Sane and rational voters should turn those officials out of office. Elected officials should be pledging only to uphold the constitution and to represent their constituents to the best of their ability. No more, no less.

josef

June 11th, 2012
1:23 pm

“… a welcome if belated effort to pull it back from the brink and force it to become more responsible.”

A lot of Republicans are beginning to come out with increasing courage in saying that. The problem is, they’ve got one helluva task ahead of them…

saywhat?

June 11th, 2012
1:24 pm

The Republican party is not crazy. Its just the liberal media who portrays them as such. Crazy people are the ones who don’t believe in evolution, think Obama just possibly may have been born in Kenya, think 99% of scientists are part of a grand conspiracy to make Al Gore rich, and that poor people, teachers and unions caused the economic meltdown. Oh, wait……. nevermind.

TaxPayer

June 11th, 2012
1:25 pm

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:25 pm

Jay, I think you missed this part…

” they would have had a hard time if you define the Republican Party — AND I DON’T— as having an orthodoxy that doesn’t allow for disagreement”

Steve

June 11th, 2012
1:26 pm

You can’t balance budgets and grow economies with our tax system stripped down to where it is now. You can’t ask 99.5% of us to make sacrifices yet exclude the uber wealthy from doing their share (ie – paying taxes at rates back to the Clinton or Reagan years, which were supposedly prosperous times).

Paul

June 11th, 2012
1:26 pm

Bush may be one of the rational types to lead the Republican party out of darkness into the light.

It would be nice to have a viable two-party system.

“And I think most people that have looked at our structural deficit problems would admit it. If they were put on a lie detector or, you know, under oath or something like that, they would admit it.””

I like the way he qualified with ‘most people” as we know there are a number out there who are so zealous they probably believe the nonsense they’ve been spouting.

Paul

June 11th, 2012
1:27 pm

Oh yeah…

How long till the “Jeb Bush is not a REAL Republican” post?

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:27 pm

The Republican Party has become so extreme and beholden to such rigid idealogues that it took over the U.S. House of Representatives, most state houses, most governor’s mansions, won the recall election in Wisconsin, etc….

Steve

June 11th, 2012
1:28 pm

Money talks, Ben.

larry

June 11th, 2012
1:29 pm

I have said this for the last two years. Although i didnt vote for him, Ronald Reagan and Jeb’s Dad would not be accepted by the modern Republican party. Both of them understood the word ” compromise”. A word that is not accepted by the tea party led GOP. In fact, this Republican party would line someone up to run against those ” RINO’s” and make sure they would get defeated.

It also proves a point. Romney has completely flip-flopped on a whole range of issues just to get the nomination.

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:30 pm

I love these attempts to paint Republicans as out-of-touch extremists, and then they keep winning election after election.

On November 7, the mornig after Romney beats Obama handily for the Oval Office, the AJC headline will no doubt be “Fringe Extremist Neo-Cons Win 60% of Popular Vote.”

Michael

June 11th, 2012
1:31 pm

Being reasonable is not a Jim Demint trait. The day will come when there is a viable 3rd party in this country made up of moderates.

Don't Forget

June 11th, 2012
1:31 pm

It’s getting to the point, particularly in solid red states, where democrats should considering registering as republicans so they can vote the ideological fanatics out of office. These folks are willing to “destroy the country in order to save it”

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:31 pm

Steve @ 1:26, I think you missed a memo. The top 1% of wage earners pay like 20% of all federal taxes, and the bottom 50% pay zero. Nice regurgitation of Occupy wall Street talking points though…

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 11th, 2012
1:32 pm

While the Supreme Court will decide this week whether to take another look at the Citizens United decision, critics warn about its growing fondness for unsigned majority opinions. NYtimes.com

So these guys don’t even have the cojones to sign their work?

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:32 pm

“It’s getting to the point, particularly in solid red states, where democrats should considering registering as republicans so they can vote the ideological fanatics out of office”

The Tea Party has already done that. Nice try though.

Steve

June 11th, 2012
1:33 pm

Ben, with the bottom 50% not earning jack right now, tell me how much money we’d be bringing in from fed taxes? Secondly, they pay payroll taxes, state, local, sales.

AU Liberal in ATL

June 11th, 2012
1:33 pm

That’s lovely, Ben, but you’re not Boehner, Cantor, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc, etc, etc…The vast majority of today’s republicans are certifiable nut cases. I thought Daddy Bush was actually a pretty good president, but the party has gone absolutely wacky since he left office. Voting republican is like smoking or eating lard every day. You know it’s bad for you, but you do it anyway. It’s so damn southern.

larry

June 11th, 2012
1:34 pm

The top 1% of wage earners pay like 20% of all federal taxes, and the bottom 50% pay zero.

Oh boy, some more of that malarky .

Erwin's cat

June 11th, 2012
1:34 pm

Now, who’s gonna say the same for the left?

Steve

June 11th, 2012
1:34 pm

And, Ben, tell me what the tax rate was on the top earners during the boom times under the Republican Eisenhower and how that compares to the tax rates today, nevermind the loopholes where many of the wealthiest end up paying ZERO taxes.

These are all easy to find FACTS, not bumper sticker slogans.

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:34 pm

“Back to my dad’s time or Ronald Reagan’s time,” he said, “they got a lot of stuff done with a lot of bipartisan support that right now would be difficult to imagine happening.”

Bush 1 and Reagan didn’t have to deal with Pelosi/Reid………

josef

June 11th, 2012
1:34 pm

Both parties have been hijacked by sloganeering jackels and the moderates have no place to go. Whichever of the two can appeal to the moderates is the one with a future. And that will not happen when the “dialogue” is lifted from the latest list of bumper sticker/tee shirt quips.

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:35 pm

Larry, you consider facts to be malarky? Classic…

TaxPayer

June 11th, 2012
1:35 pm

On November 7, the mornig after Romney beats Obama handily for the Oval Office, the AJC headline will no doubt be “Fringe Extremist Neo-Cons Win 60% of Popular Vote.”

And on page two, the story of Paul Ryan’s budget proposal being implemented as the Republican solution to the debt. Have fun with that.

Get me Rex Kramer

June 11th, 2012
1:35 pm

Jay, Bill Clinton would have hard a time within the new Dem party as well. You guys have gone as far left as the GOP has to the right.

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:36 pm

Steve, 50% of working Americans have ZERO net federal income tax liability, and the wealthy pay by far the lion’s share of federal income taxes. It is irrefutable.

Brosephus™

June 11th, 2012
1:36 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

June 11th, 2012
1:36 pm

Ben Shockley — “I love these attempts to paint Republicans as out-of-touch extremists, and then they keep winning election after election.”

Right! Because people like Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi could NEVER have won actual, honest-to-goodness elections!

Wait . . .

:D

Steve

June 11th, 2012
1:37 pm

The wealthy should be paying more in taxes- how do you think they got to be wealthy and prosperous? Not by living on a deserted island with no infrastructure, workers, roads, rail, electricity, fuel…

Steve

June 11th, 2012
1:38 pm

I repeat:

And, Ben, tell me what the tax rate was on the top earners during the boom times under the Republican Eisenhower and how that compares to the tax rates today, nevermind the loopholes where many of the wealthiest end up paying ZERO taxes.

These are all easy to find FACTS, not bumper sticker slogans.

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:38 pm

“Voting republican is like smoking or eating lard every day. You know it’s bad for you, but you do it anyway. It’s so damn southern.”

Oh, another enlightened northeast liberal who hates all things southern but lives here anyway…how quaint…

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:39 pm

Steve, why don’t you tell us how your life (or mine) would be better if the rich paid more taxes. My objective in life is NOT a monthly government handout, by the way…

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 11th, 2012
1:39 pm

Thank the good lord the Dems are open minded and open to compromise……….Where would we be….

josef

June 11th, 2012
1:40 pm

AU

“Voting republican is like smoking or eating lard every day. You know it’s bad for you, but you do it anyway. It’s so damn southern.”

Which is where I dump anything else you might have to say into the bigot bin…

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:40 pm

“The wealthy should be paying more in taxes- how do you think they got to be wealthy and prosperous?”

How do I think they got to be wealthy and prosperous? Why, I imagine they worked hard and wisely saved/invested some of what the government allowed them to keep. What’s YOUR theory?

josef

June 11th, 2012
1:41 pm

Here’s something I don’t quite get…if half of those working pay no income tax, then doesn’t that speak to the quality of the employment available to them and should that not be the issue…WHY don’t they pay more?

Joe Hussein Mama

June 11th, 2012
1:42 pm

B. Shockley — “Steve, 50% of working Americans have ZERO net federal income tax liability, and the wealthy pay by far the lion’s share of federal income taxes.”

Good.

“It is irrefutable.”

What’s to refute?

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:42 pm

“Right! Because people like Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi could NEVER have won actual, honest-to-goodness elections!”

…that’s why liberals are opposed to voter ID laws, because they HATE unfair elections.

LMAO

Erwin's cat

June 11th, 2012
1:43 pm

No josef, I think it speaks more towards the work they are qualified to perform

Joe Hussein Mama

June 11th, 2012
1:43 pm

B. Shockley — “How do I think they got to be wealthy and prosperous?”

The wealthiest person I know *inherited* his wealth. And his family is wealthy enough that if I told you his last name, you’d know *instantly* how they made their money.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 11th, 2012
1:44 pm

josef……………..I think the mob calls it protection……….Low pay=no taxes=vote Democrat…..It’s pretty easy to play along.

ty webb

June 11th, 2012
1:44 pm

me thinks someone is positioning himself for 2016…he must really be pissed at his brother.

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:44 pm

“Here’s something I don’t quite get…if half of those working pay no income tax, then doesn’t that speak to the quality of the employment available to them and should that not be the issue…WHY don’t they pay more?”

If an idiot consevative like me can earn six figures annually, I don’t know why the enlightened liberal core consituency can’t do the same. What was your question again????

josef

June 11th, 2012
1:45 pm

CAT

“No josef, I think it speaks more towards the work they are qualified to perform”

That is the cause for the effect. Is that not what we should be addressing?

Brosephus™

June 11th, 2012
1:45 pm

josef @ 1:41

Because the DON’T have to pay more, that’s why. What market force is there to encourage employers to pay more right now? More people with more money tends to make more customers, but as long as they can squeeze profits here and profit abroad, there is nothing that requires any efforts on their behalf to sow the seeds for future customers.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 11th, 2012
1:45 pm

B. Shockley — “…that’s why liberals are opposed to voter ID laws, because they HATE unfair elections. LMAO”

You seem to be a johnny-come-lately, so you probably don’t realize that I *support* voter ID laws. Just not the ones that GOP hacks like Hans von Spakovsky try to push.

So your LMAO becomes more of a ‘LAMO.’ :D

Jay

June 11th, 2012
1:45 pm

“Jay, Bill Clinton would have hard a time within the new Dem party as well. You guys have gone as far left as the GOP has to the right.”

OK, Rex, why don’t you expound on that claim. What has Obama done that is more liberal than what Clinton did? Clinton’s single-payer approach to health care was much more “liberal” than ObamaCare, for example. Clinton raised taxes. Clinton is an advocate of legalizing same-sex marriage. The tax hikes on the wealthy advocated by Obama would return tax rates to the level that Clinton himself set.

So please, illuminate us.

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:47 pm

Hussein, there’s a book called “The Millionaire Nextdoor” that is based on extensive university research. It concludes that 82% of American millionaires are self-made, i.e. inherited nothing.

By the way, Romney made his own money.

John Kerry – married money (twice)
Kennedy family (inherited)

etc, etc, etc…..

getalife

June 11th, 2012
1:48 pm

The bushes are socialists and working on their image.

TaxPayer

June 11th, 2012
1:48 pm

Ben must also be looking forward to the end of the Bush tax cuts so those dang freeloading poor people will once again be required to carry their own weight and pay some federal income taxes in addition to their payroll taxes. Of course the end to those Bush tax cuts also means that folks that were getting over $85000 per year in federal tax free income from qualifying dividends and capital gains will also have to start paying a little too.

ty webb

June 11th, 2012
1:48 pm

and when it comes to governing federally, there’s very little difference between the modern day GOP and the modern day Democrats.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 11th, 2012
1:48 pm

How about a moderate party of libs instead of far left??

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:49 pm

“That is the cause for the effect. Is that not what we should be addressing?”

Liberal theory for addressing it is throw all your eggs in the failed public education basket. Next question???

josef

June 11th, 2012
1:49 pm

BEN

Why do we need to know that you have a six figure income? Seriously, does that in some way make your viewpoint more legitimate? I asked a simple question. So far only Cat has given a simple answer.

Your response, and I don’t mean to be snarky, smacks of a superiority complex that somehow you are better than “those people.”

Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you really love congestion

June 11th, 2012
1:50 pm

Jeb is sane

So is Romney

Romney would make a better president than Obama

That’s the simple decision that will be made

Oscar

June 11th, 2012
1:50 pm

Sanity fromr the GOP. Not likely anytime soon.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 11th, 2012
1:50 pm

Ben, don’t go confusing the regulars on here with solid views and facts from your point of view. The minds on this blog are blocked with 4000 PS concrete.

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:50 pm

“Ben must also be looking forward to the end of the Bush tax cuts so those dang freeloading poor people will once again be required to carry their own weight and pay some federal income taxes in addition to their payroll taxes. Of course the end to those Bush tax cuts also means that folks that were getting over $85000 per year in federal tax free income from qualifying dividends and capital gains will also have to start paying a little too.”

No, Ben is looking forward to Barack Obama starting his new life as ex-president. Ben has about 7 months left to wait.

Erwin's cat

June 11th, 2012
1:51 pm

josef..I agree…I think
I hear plenty of companies saying that they just can’t find qualified workers (at least in the tech industry).. A lot (but not all) jobs lost were the lower income blue collar jobs…
Education is key

getalife

June 11th, 2012
1:51 pm

Ben,

The Kennedy’s made money selling liquor during prohibition.

GT

June 11th, 2012
1:51 pm

I would settle for just having correct facts put out there to debate. We have two sets of information, one fictional and the other nonfictional. This is the product of cable and the internet. Back in the day politicians were more closely watched for factual expression. Today some of the networks come out with more fiction than the candidates.

Thogwummpy

June 11th, 2012
1:51 pm

JFK, Harry Truman, Zell Miller, Sam Nunn…amongst a fleet of notables that would have a hard time fitting in with the current Democrat Party…which candidly, is an anti-market, anti-private sector Socialist Party (that isn’t even honest enough to embrace that label…though virtually all it’s “redistribution” policies—from those that earn to those that don’t—-is by every definition in political science….SOCIALIST). The Tyranny of the Slacker Class is upon us; and former Democrat luminaries would be shocked to see what a disgustingly radical organization their party has become. I’ve long noted that the biggest threat to America would be when the 60’s activist generation took the reigns and became the Establishment. The Soviets were correct—-the Communists are taking us down from within!

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 11th, 2012
1:52 pm

What are gonna do with all the Libs that want to go to a Michelle Obama book signing……But do not have a photo ID………………..That’s a problem…LOL

Ben Shockley

June 11th, 2012
1:53 pm

“Why do we need to know that you have a six figure income? Seriously, does that in some way make your viewpoint more legitimate? I asked a simple question. So far only Cat has given a simple answer.”

Liberals love to paint those who disagree as mindless idiotic drones who can’t think for themselves and have their views assigned to them by Rush Limbaugh. And yet somehow, we manage to go about our lives and prosper. It is an interesting paradox, no?

Steve

June 11th, 2012
1:53 pm

I make six figures but can afford a small tax increase, and if that would jump start the economy and create more jobs, my salary would increase more.

But then again, I’m not a greedy/selfish right winger. I just happen to be a liberal who works hard and makes good money.

Goldie

June 11th, 2012
1:53 pm

Amen Jeb… the GOP has been hijacked by the extremist and uncompromising nut-jobs! :)

getalife

June 11th, 2012
1:53 pm

The bushes still have the cons so he is speaking to the sane Americans.

The Americans that live in the real world.

Brosephus™

June 11th, 2012
1:54 pm

jm

Yeah, Jeb is sane. That’s about the only thing I’d agree with you about. As to Romney, when someone on your campaign staff describes you as an Etch-A-Sketch, your appearance of being anything remotely better is shot. If anything, here’s Romney’s campaign message distilled to a simple song….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpQWbvYbeZE

josef

June 11th, 2012
1:54 pm

BEN

Okay, I’ll take your slogan at face value. What do we do to address the issue of the “failed” education system?

ERWIN
I’ll ask you the same question, how do we address that key?

Erwin's cat

June 11th, 2012
1:55 pm

Ben – “Liberals love to paint those who disagree as mindless idiotic drones who can’t think for themselves …”

No you’re doing a pretty good job all by yourself

Jefferson

June 11th, 2012
1:55 pm

The current GOP and its supporters are unamerican at best, traitors is my 1st choice.

Adam

June 11th, 2012
1:56 pm

TBG: From the last post, I did answer your question. It is going to be hard for me to respond in a timely manner, however, this week it seems. I grant you no direct statement was uttered. However I suggest you read my explanation, which I think actually comes pretty close to Brosephus’

ty webb

June 11th, 2012
1:57 pm

“when someone on your campaign staff describes you as an Etch-A-Sketch,…”

yeah, that’d be bad, though it hasn’t happened…you might want to check what was actually said.

kimmer

June 11th, 2012
1:57 pm

The democrat party is just as far leaning as the republican party or more just on the left side. Thing is they kicked all their moderates out 20 years ago. Of course to Jay its all so one sided.

Brosephus™

June 11th, 2012
1:57 pm

What do we do to address the issue of the “failed” education system?

I’m personally waiting to see how West Virginia’s adaptation of the Finnish model plays out. Got any info on how that one’s going?

Don't Tread

June 11th, 2012
1:58 pm

JFK would have a really hard time in today’s Democratic Party.

Goldie

June 11th, 2012
1:58 pm

“By the way, Romney made his own money.”

Yeah Ben @ 1:47– that’s after Ole Mitt had inherited his million$ from his dad George, former CEO of American Motors! What a rough up-from-his-bootstraps sort of life that Ole Mitt came from, yes??? Bwaaaa! :)

Erwin's cat

June 11th, 2012
1:59 pm

josef – Obviously we need a better educated population to accommodate the demanded workforce…I’m not sure how to get there except by educating

Adam

June 11th, 2012
1:59 pm

ON TOPIC: This seems like a very useless discussion. The far right has zero interest in being moderate, and the moderates in the GOP are dying off (retiring, leaving office, etc) leaving very few moderates who are actually leaders. It’s one thing to SAY the GOP of old would have a tough time in the new GOP, but it’s another thing to actually LEAD the flock to be more moderate. And I think they cannot succeed if they try, because the Fox News messaging machine, Rush, Drudge, blogosphere, et al, is more powerful than their leaders now.

josef

June 11th, 2012
1:59 pm

BEN

“Liberals love to paint those who disagree as mindless idiotic drones who can’t think for themselves and have their views assigned to them by Rush Limbaugh.”

Did I say that?

“… And yet somehow, we manage to go about our lives and prosper..?”

And so do many of us liberals…

” It is an interesting paradox, no?”

Not particularly/ It’s the human condition.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 11th, 2012
1:59 pm

Shockley — “Hussein, there’s a book called “The Millionaire Nextdoor” that is based on extensive university research.”

I’m aware of it.

“It concludes that 82% of American millionaires are self-made, i.e. inherited nothing.”

Shrug. Your book doesn’t change the fact that a multimillionaire I know personally inherited his money.

“By the way, Romney made his own money.”

And that means what to me, exactly?

“John Kerry – married money (twice)”

And?

“Kennedy family (inherited) etc, etc, etc…..”

So?

You seem to be trying to make a point, but AFAICS, you’re being very oblique about it. How about you just come right out and say whatever it is you’re trying to say?

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 11th, 2012
2:01 pm

Loved watching Bernstein/Woodward this weekend on CBS Face the Nation….. as I watched them, I couldn’t help but this how investigative Journalism is dead. Where are the new young reporters who have enough ” smoking guns” on this president to keep them busy 24/7. I’m amazed at all the things that never get reported in the main stream…like the snub he got at the G8 by the Russian delegation by not shaking his hand walking down the receiving line………Youtube it. It’s pretty funny…

TaxPayer

June 11th, 2012
2:02 pm

A followup from the last topic:

From January 2001 to January 2009, local government employment increased at an average rate of 164,000 jobs per year.

From January 2009 to May 2012, local government employment decreased at an average rate of 150,000 jobs per year.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 11th, 2012
2:03 pm

Goldie……………research that Mitt money from his dad a little closer……I think you will be shocked by what he did with it. Nothing a Democrat would do by the way.

getalife

June 11th, 2012
2:04 pm

Look at them run away from the truth.

Make a good comedy skit.

The Ghost of Edward R. Murrow

June 11th, 2012
2:04 pm

“Everybody up here [on Capitol Hill] knows exactly how to balance the budget. Tomorrow. Just cut defense spending, cut entitlements and curb social security growth. Those are the only 3 ways and everybody knows it.

But, nobody up here will ever have the guts to do it politically. Ever.”

- Ed Jenkins (then Congressman, 9th District, Georgia) in 1988. A great moderate/conservative Democrat, back when Democrats were allowed to be moderate by the DNC.

josef

June 11th, 2012
2:04 pm

BROSEPHUS

We’ll see how WV works out…unless they’re willing to pour money into the teacher’s salaries, it won’t work. At the heart of the Finnish system is the level they put the teacher at in the pay-scale heirarchy. Also the Finnish system is predicated on a highly homogeneous, highly educated and well-off population.

I fear that what the state is going to wind up with in “adopting” a Finnish system is a “let’s not and lie and say we did…”

Adam

June 11th, 2012
2:04 pm

Liberals love to paint those who disagree as mindless idiotic drones who can’t think for themselves and have their views assigned to them by Rush Limbaugh.

Well every single one of us is an idiot to messaging, particularly advertising. False or true, the advertising and propaganda have an effect. And when it comes from the MAINSTREAM CONSERVATIVE (not liberal) MEDIA (did you happen to see CNN’s reaction to the Walker win?) the messaging is overblown with right wing talking points, whether they are true or not. And the majority swallows the bait. Thing is, advertisers and the people running these things KNOW this works, and that is the WHOLE POINT.

Jefferson

June 11th, 2012
2:04 pm

The tea reps have nothing but no to show.

Goldie

June 11th, 2012
2:05 pm

“JFK would have a really hard time in today’s Democratic Party.”

Really– Says who??? All the Dems I know think very highly of JFK and RFK and Teddy… they would all fit right in with today’s Dems. What a doofus comment to make! :)

hiram b granbury

June 11th, 2012
2:05 pm

The new robber barons, many foreign corportations, like oil companies, bankrolled geniuses like Karl Rove, who can’t see beyond the end of his nose. Rove, a confirmed atheist, mobilized the halfwits preachers in the little country churches(the ones that think the earth is 2000 yrs old), to elect W., and that beget the tea party(people who are subordinated to the guys that think the earth is 2000 yrs old). These are people who have proven that they are incapable of reason(they think the earth is 2000 yrs old), and will believe anything that an authority figure, like their preacher, tells them. Unfortunately, the preacher instructed them to register to vote in elections.

Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you really love congestion

June 11th, 2012
2:06 pm

“amen jeb”

This is silly. If jeb was the nominee he would be attacked by Jay and everyone here endlessly.

The next bush clone! Ad infinitum

Brosephus™

June 11th, 2012
2:07 pm

yeah, that’d be bad, though it hasn’t happened…you might want to check what was actually said.

When describing the general election, Eric Fehrnstrom said that “Everything changes. It’s almost like an Etch A Sketch. You can kind of shake it up and restart all over again.” He was answering a question on whether or not the primary candidates were pushing Romney so far to the right that he would not be able to pivot back during the general election.

While he did not outright call Romney the Etch A Sketch, he basically insinuated that he could shift back to the middle as though he had never veered to the far right. That, in itself, is saying that he could erase his previous positions as thought the public would never remember them. If that’s not describing Romney going from the primary to general election as an Etch A Sketch, then I don’t know what is. While I think it’s a clever way to describe the way our electoral system looks nowadays, that’s not what someone in the candidate’s camp is supposed to say in public. That one should have been left in private.

Adam

June 11th, 2012
2:07 pm

JFK would have a really hard time in today’s Democratic Party.

False equivalence. There is verifiable data on the Republican Party moving further right and the Democratic Party staying basically the same. I have posted it before. And I will again, if you ask nicely. But in either case it’s obvious you’ve made up your mind so it won’t matter if I post it again or not.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 11th, 2012
2:07 pm

Yep, the Kennedy’s………..quality folks………