Jeb: Reagan, Bush Sr. ‘would have hard time’ in new GOP

One thing for sure, they wouldn’t have Van Jones around !!!!!!!!!

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You won’t get sanity and rationality from a party with many elected members willing to sign pledges to unelected individuals or groups, ie Grover Norquist and the Club for Growth. Sane and rational voters should turn those officials out of office. Elected officials should be pledging only to uphold the constitution and to represent their constituents to the best of their ability. No more, no less.

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The Republican party is not crazy. Its just the liberal media who portrays them as such. Crazy people are the ones who don’t believe in evolution, think Obama just possibly may have been born in Kenya, think 99% of scientists are part of a grand conspiracy to make Al Gore rich, and that poor people, teachers and unions caused the economic meltdown. Oh, wait……. nevermind.

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Jay, I think you missed this part…

” they would have had a hard time if you define the Republican Party — AND I DON’T— as having an orthodoxy that doesn’t allow for disagreement”

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Bush may be one of the rational types to lead the Republican party out of darkness into the light.

It would be nice to have a viable two-party system.

“And I think most people that have looked at our structural deficit problems would admit it. If they were put on a lie detector or, you know, under oath or something like that, they would admit it.””

I like the way he qualified with ‘most people” as we know there are a number out there who are so zealous they probably believe the nonsense they’ve been spouting.

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The Republican Party has become so extreme and beholden to such rigid idealogues that it took over the U.S. House of Representatives, most state houses, most governor’s mansions, won the recall election in Wisconsin, etc….

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I have said this for the last two years. Although i didnt vote for him, Ronald Reagan and Jeb’s Dad would not be accepted by the modern Republican party. Both of them understood the word ” compromise”. A word that is not accepted by the tea party led GOP. In fact, this Republican party would line someone up to run against those ” RINO’s” and make sure they would get defeated.

It also proves a point. Romney has completely flip-flopped on a whole range of issues just to get the nomination.

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Being reasonable is not a Jim Demint trait. The day will come when there is a viable 3rd party in this country made up of moderates.

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Steve @ 1:26, I think you missed a memo. The top 1% of wage earners pay like 20% of all federal taxes, and the bottom 50% pay zero. Nice regurgitation of Occupy wall Street talking points though…

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“It’s getting to the point, particularly in solid red states, where democrats should considering registering as republicans so they can vote the ideological fanatics out of office”

The Tea Party has already done that. Nice try though.

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That’s lovely, Ben, but you’re not Boehner, Cantor, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc, etc, etc…The vast majority of today’s republicans are certifiable nut cases. I thought Daddy Bush was actually a pretty good president, but the party has gone absolutely wacky since he left office. Voting republican is like smoking or eating lard every day. You know it’s bad for you, but you do it anyway. It’s so damn southern.

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Now, who’s gonna say the same for the left?

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“Back to my dad’s time or Ronald Reagan’s time,” he said, “they got a lot of stuff done with a lot of bipartisan support that right now would be difficult to imagine happening.”

Bush 1 and Reagan didn’t have to deal with Pelosi/Reid………

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Larry, you consider facts to be malarky? Classic…

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Jay, Bill Clinton would have hard a time within the new Dem party as well. You guys have gone as far left as the GOP has to the right.

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Amen Jeb!!!

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The wealthy should be paying more in taxes- how do you think they got to be wealthy and prosperous? Not by living on a deserted island with no infrastructure, workers, roads, rail, electricity, fuel…

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“Voting republican is like smoking or eating lard every day. You know it’s bad for you, but you do it anyway. It’s so damn southern.”

Oh, another enlightened northeast liberal who hates all things southern but lives here anyway…how quaint…

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Thank the good lord the Dems are open minded and open to compromise……….Where would we be….

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“The wealthy should be paying more in taxes- how do you think they got to be wealthy and prosperous?”

How do I think they got to be wealthy and prosperous? Why, I imagine they worked hard and wisely saved/invested some of what the government allowed them to keep. What’s YOUR theory?

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B. Shockley — “Steve, 50% of working Americans have ZERO net federal income tax liability, and the wealthy pay by far the lion’s share of federal income taxes.”

Good.

“It is irrefutable.”

What’s to refute?

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No josef, I think it speaks more towards the work they are qualified to perform

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josef……………..I think the mob calls it protection……….Low pay=no taxes=vote Democrat…..It’s pretty easy to play along.

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“Here’s something I don’t quite get…if half of those working pay no income tax, then doesn’t that speak to the quality of the employment available to them and should that not be the issue…WHY don’t they pay more?”

If an idiot consevative like me can earn six figures annually, I don’t know why the enlightened liberal core consituency can’t do the same. What was your question again????

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josef @ 1:41

Because the DON’T have to pay more, that’s why. What market force is there to encourage employers to pay more right now? More people with more money tends to make more customers, but as long as they can squeeze profits here and profit abroad, there is nothing that requires any efforts on their behalf to sow the seeds for future customers.

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The bushes are socialists and working on their image.

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and when it comes to governing federally, there’s very little difference between the modern day GOP and the modern day Democrats.

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“That is the cause for the effect. Is that not what we should be addressing?”

Liberal theory for addressing it is throw all your eggs in the failed public education basket. Next question???

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Jeb is sane

So is Romney

Romney would make a better president than Obama

That’s the simple decision that will be made

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Ben, don’t go confusing the regulars on here with solid views and facts from your point of view. The minds on this blog are blocked with 4000 PS concrete.

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josef..I agree…I think
I hear plenty of companies saying that they just can’t find qualified workers (at least in the tech industry).. A lot (but not all) jobs lost were the lower income blue collar jobs…
Education is key

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I would settle for just having correct facts put out there to debate. We have two sets of information, one fictional and the other nonfictional. This is the product of cable and the internet. Back in the day politicians were more closely watched for factual expression. Today some of the networks come out with more fiction than the candidates.

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What are gonna do with all the Libs that want to go to a Michelle Obama book signing……But do not have a photo ID………………..That’s a problem…LOL

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I make six figures but can afford a small tax increase, and if that would jump start the economy and create more jobs, my salary would increase more.

But then again, I’m not a greedy/selfish right winger. I just happen to be a liberal who works hard and makes good money.

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The bushes still have the cons so he is speaking to the sane Americans.

The Americans that live in the real world.

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BEN

Okay, I’ll take your slogan at face value. What do we do to address the issue of the “failed” education system?

ERWIN
I’ll ask you the same question, how do we address that key?

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The current GOP and its supporters are unamerican at best, traitors is my 1st choice.

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“when someone on your campaign staff describes you as an Etch-A-Sketch,…”

yeah, that’d be bad, though it hasn’t happened…you might want to check what was actually said.

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What do we do to address the issue of the “failed” education system?

I’m personally waiting to see how West Virginia’s adaptation of the Finnish model plays out. Got any info on how that one’s going?

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“By the way, Romney made his own money.”

Yeah Ben @ 1:47– that’s after Ole Mitt had inherited his million$ from his dad George, former CEO of American Motors! What a rough up-from-his-bootstraps sort of life that Ole Mitt came from, yes??? Bwaaaa!

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ON TOPIC: This seems like a very useless discussion. The far right has zero interest in being moderate, and the moderates in the GOP are dying off (retiring, leaving office, etc) leaving very few moderates who are actually leaders. It’s one thing to SAY the GOP of old would have a tough time in the new GOP, but it’s another thing to actually LEAD the flock to be more moderate. And I think they cannot succeed if they try, because the Fox News messaging machine, Rush, Drudge, blogosphere, et al, is more powerful than their leaders now.

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Shockley — “Hussein, there’s a book called “The Millionaire Nextdoor” that is based on extensive university research.”

I’m aware of it.

“It concludes that 82% of American millionaires are self-made, i.e. inherited nothing.”

Shrug. Your book doesn’t change the fact that a multimillionaire I know personally inherited his money.

“By the way, Romney made his own money.”

And that means what to me, exactly?

“John Kerry – married money (twice)”

And?

“Kennedy family (inherited) etc, etc, etc…..”

So?

You seem to be trying to make a point, but AFAICS, you’re being very oblique about it. How about you just come right out and say whatever it is you’re trying to say?

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A followup from the last topic:

From January 2001 to January 2009, local government employment increased at an average rate of 164,000 jobs per year.

From January 2009 to May 2012, local government employment decreased at an average rate of 150,000 jobs per year.

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Look at them run away from the truth.

Make a good comedy skit.

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BROSEPHUS

We’ll see how WV works out…unless they’re willing to pour money into the teacher’s salaries, it won’t work. At the heart of the Finnish system is the level they put the teacher at in the pay-scale heirarchy. Also the Finnish system is predicated on a highly homogeneous, highly educated and well-off population.

I fear that what the state is going to wind up with in “adopting” a Finnish system is a “let’s not and lie and say we did…”

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The tea reps have nothing but no to show.

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The new robber barons, many foreign corportations, like oil companies, bankrolled geniuses like Karl Rove, who can’t see beyond the end of his nose. Rove, a confirmed atheist, mobilized the halfwits preachers in the little country churches(the ones that think the earth is 2000 yrs old), to elect W., and that beget the tea party(people who are subordinated to the guys that think the earth is 2000 yrs old). These are people who have proven that they are incapable of reason(they think the earth is 2000 yrs old), and will believe anything that an authority figure, like their preacher, tells them. Unfortunately, the preacher instructed them to register to vote in elections.

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yeah, that’d be bad, though it hasn’t happened…you might want to check what was actually said.

When describing the general election, Eric Fehrnstrom said that “Everything changes. It’s almost like an Etch A Sketch. You can kind of shake it up and restart all over again.” He was answering a question on whether or not the primary candidates were pushing Romney so far to the right that he would not be able to pivot back during the general election.

While he did not outright call Romney the Etch A Sketch, he basically insinuated that he could shift back to the middle as though he had never veered to the far right. That, in itself, is saying that he could erase his previous positions as thought the public would never remember them. If that’s not describing Romney going from the primary to general election as an Etch A Sketch, then I don’t know what is. While I think it’s a clever way to describe the way our electoral system looks nowadays, that’s not what someone in the candidate’s camp is supposed to say in public. That one should have been left in private.

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Yep, the Kennedy’s………..quality folks………

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Brosephus: Are you getting the feeling people here are just nitpicky when it comes to what Mitt Romney and his surrogates say, rather than a genuine inability to read between the lines?

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FDR himself would have a hard time in today’s democratic party

How so?

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I’m not sure what Bush is smoking – Boehner’s crew has increased spending (much to the chagrin of anyone with common sense). There have been no (see ZERO) cuts in spending by our federal government.

Scott Walker is a genius and should be the future of the Republican Party. He turned around Wisconsin in one year without raising taxes. Why do liberals and moderates think it is extreme to want to balance budgets without raising taxes? They are the ones who are extreme.

$16 trillion in debt is where the “Grand Bargain” has gotten us and $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities. America is literally Stuck On Stupid.

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josef

That’s the weakness in adapting their system from what I can see. From what I read on the methods and such, I think it would be something great. The difference in the viewed importance of the teaching profession is what I think will be the hardest thing to overcome. Even if the pay remains the same, I think the social hierarchy would be a serious hurdle to jump.

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@Adam – go read FDR’s D-Day prayer and tell me who in the modern day Democrat Party leadership would approve of this type of religious rhetoric.

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Atlantan: BTW it is a lie, a fallacy, of the right that Democrats are all godless or hate religion.

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“But then again, I’m not a greedy/selfish right winger”

Hey Steve..hate to be the one to tell you, but…using the power of government to help yourself to other people’s money is greedy and selfish…

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“Scott Walker is a genius and should be the future of the Republican Party.”

LOL — bring it on! I guess my 2nd choice for Mitt’s running mate would be Scott Walker — can’t you see that bumper sticker: “Mitt / Scott 2012 — no more teachers, policemen or firefighters for America!”

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“Okay, I’ll take your slogan at face value. What do we do to address the issue of the “failed” education system?”

Well josef, if we’re liberals, we insist on taking more and more money from “the rich” and flushing it down the failed public education toilet, and if we empower the teachers unions to keep funnelling money to Democrat candidates for office, well that’s all the better…

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Carney stumbles through another news conference trying to deflect the leaks of classified information… The avalanche is coming… Watch many many dems run away from Obama as fast as they can… LOL… When will Bush be blamed for all this?? My White House… LOL…

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Ben,

Looks like the bottom 50% are the problem. Can we just eliminate them?
I’m confident the savings in welfare alone would balance the budget and eliminate the debt in no time.

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Bush 41 had a hard time with the GOP Part of his presidency since he broke that “no new taxes” pledge.

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@Ben Shockley

Did you vote for Nathan Deal?

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By the way, Romney made his own money.

LOL, to hear a Republican tell it, Romney started from nothing and created a fortune with NO ONES help.

And Obama? Oh, he had help all the way tot eh White House

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BEN

Again, you are attacking liberals out of hand…the question was, what do WE do to address the issue of the “failed” education system?”

All you seem to have to offer is another plate of “THEIR fault” leftovers. What do you have tangible?

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Run cons run.

The truth is after you.

Hilarious.

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all obama has to do is keep opening his mouth and that is all that is needed for independents and reagan dems to vote for romney, jay won’t admit it but the transition has already started and is happening even as i write this….enjoy it jay, ideological hacks like you deserve it most

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The top 1% of wage earners pay like 20% of all federal taxes, and the bottom 50% pay zero.
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Makes total sense when you consider the top 1% also earns roughly the same total percentage of all income and their share continues to rise. If the top 1% would like to see their share of taxes go down, I would suggest they move down an income bracket or 2.

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“See in Democratic Party this would not disqualify you from holding office. ”

Adam – at best speculation

D party is owned by unions

If you were a democrat running for president and said unions have too much power you would be kicked off the ticket in 5 seconds

Another one? FDR fought an insanely expensive war that cost hundreds of thousands of lives
More?

Today’s democratic party can’t stomach a few thousand brave soldiers’ lives against the worst dictators of the modern era

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Zell Miller was actually around for the transformation of the Democrat Party and received plenty of flak for the scholarship fund (based on – gasp – MERIT!) and passage of (gasp) CCW laws.

(cue music – Imagine if you will, a shall-issue CCW law signed by a Democrat. Welcome to….the Twilight Zone.)

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When will Bush be blamed for all this?? My White House… LOL…

Didnt Bush’s White House have leaks also? I dont remember him hiring a special prosecutor to investigate them.

And i also dont remember Republicans telling him to hire one either.

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“Again, you are attacking liberals out of hand…the question was, what do WE do to address the issue of the “failed” education system”

I stated very cleary that breaking the iron grip of the teachers unions was key. Thanks for asking, and glad to clear that up for you.

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Ben Shockley – “I just pointed out that using wealth envy to perpetrate confiscating the wealth of others is greedty and selfish.”

Agreed. We need to re-set ALL tax levels to Clinton era rates, eliminate the EITC and raise the CG tax to at least 20%.

Now everyone has some skin in the game.

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Ok Jm, your point is made and accepted. However I still think we’re going to see a pretty dramatic shift in the union “support” system in the next ten years, and Democrats will stop catering to them, perhaps even ahead of that eventual collapse.

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However I still think we’re going to see a pretty dramatic shift in the union “support” system in the next ten years, and Democrats will stop catering to them, perhaps even ahead of that eventual collapse.

And then we will see the total collapse of the middle class.

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Where have all the blue dogs gone?

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“sane, rational and conservative”– should not be and need not be contradictory, as they have become in recent years.

It shouldn’t not apply to Democrats either – but it has.

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Hot Air – EXACTLY! The Dem Party leadership is far left socialist.

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Moderate/conservative Dems in the Senate – there are many:

http://www.employermandate.com/key_members_moderate.asp

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BEN

We have no teacher’s unions in Georgia…what iron grip?

BROSEPHUS

Sadly, much of that respect in WV is merely residual, a byproduct of their “backwardness.”

And as far as slogans/bumper stickers are concerned, I kinda like this one:

“If you can read this, thank a teacher.”

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Adam, from down stairs. (Sorry everyone)

That Black Guy

June 11th, 2012
2:02 pm
Adam

June 11th, 2012
1:08 pm
TBG: From Romney’s comments on Friday: “He (Obama) wants to hire more government workers. He says we need more firemen, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? (loud cheers happened here) The American people did! It’s time for us to cut back on government!” — Thanks Adam, I hadn’t heard this speech. Since I don’t plan to vote for Romney (not sure about Obama yet) I don’t listen to his every word.

Now to me, that plays his hand. He is not taking the message away that UNIONS are a problem, but that the PEOPLE WORKING THOSE JOBS (or in his words, “government”) are the problem. That’s what he thinks the message is, that we need to cut those jobs. It’s pretty clear from his statement. – I wouldn’t a different interpretation from you. no snark, I just think I already know where you come from on these topics.

Now you can hoot and holler all you want about how he didn’t say that directly, but I can promise you based on how frequently Romney damn near quotes people on the right wing and their blogs and blog comments (”Wealth Envy,” anyone?) that this plays right into the idea that all of those jobs should be eliminated or reduced, in favor of the private sector taking over. It is obvious from his statement that he is catering to that, and your only “reasonable doubt” argument is the Etch-A-Sketch argument – that “he didn’t really mean it, he’s only saying that to get elected.” Personally I don’t buy that excuse. – Like I said, I don’t expect you to have anything other than a negative view of Romney or any other repub/”con”, especially after reading you responses to the Ws recall results.

In the words of Romeo Crenel (sp?) “They are who we thought they were!”

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don’t get me wrong, its hilariously fun for this social democrat to
watch your pahhty go extinct in a flaming ball of willful ignorance, BUT

one of your flagship republicans, in a nice way is telling you your pahhty
fell out of the crazy tree and hit every limb on the way down…and..
any reflection?
any retrospect?
any self analysis?
not this breed of con, noooo sir.
Obama baaaaaad! Fling more monkey poo! That’s about it…

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“If you can read this, thank a teacher.”

And more than likely, a public school teacher!

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Adam – thanks for accepting a point being made

Shows there actually might be hope for this debate forum after all

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“The top 1% of wage earners pay like 20% of all federal taxes, and the bottom 50% pay zero”

Complete and utter lie

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You can run but you can’t hide from the truth.

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steve,
the democratic president of the united states is a socialist, statist and who believes that central gov’t planning by the gov’t is the way….your welcome

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Jeb Bush was a radically conservative governor.
He happily let the developers eat Florida alive, and worked throughout his tenure to undermine environmental regulations.
I don’t view him as a rational alternative to the rest of the pack of nihilistic crazies.
He too is capable of unbridled extremism.

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What happened to Lieberman?

Oh right

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“To the contrary, they will eagerly embrace the next foolishness that seems to confirm their beliefs”

The NEXT one? Heck, they’ll just keep repeating the OLD ones.

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“Where have all the blue dogs gone?”

“They have been completly pushed out of the dem party. If your not a rabid foaming at the mouth lib you’re not wanted anymore…”

I don’t think it’s that they were squeezed out so much as that they didn’t really fit, at least since the 1930’s or so. Southern conservative Democrats were really Republicans at heart all along, but couldn’t risk being identified with the party of Abraham Lincoln until recently.

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“the actual facts of the case matter not a whit.”

Thanks for the link, Jay!

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All I can say is keep the Government out of my social security and medicare!!!!!

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“Goldie, are you a public school teacher? Did you attend government schools? It’s beginning to show.”

And there’s your sign.

So, BEN, did you attend non government schools?

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Billybob

“will hiring public sector jobs ignite the private sector…..do your democratic president and his top aides understand simple economics? ”

Do Republicans understand that’s exactly what Romney and Republican leaders propose by giving another $130 billion to Defense to directly hire 100,000 new workers and provide funding for hundreds of thousands (estimate) of other jobs that would not otherwise exist?

Serious question, Billybob -

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Obama was abducted by aliens and is their stooge now

The Russians are the local patrol force for the aliens

No need to shake hands. They are business partners already

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To the contrary, they will eagerly embrace the next foolishness that seems to confirm their beliefs.

The birther nonsense confirmed this.

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jay,
the problem with unions is the money laundering scheme used to funnel automatically deducted dues right to the dem party…..these are hard working people who are being used by the dem party to continually ensure democrats will be elected in certain areas at the same time they have continued to promise more and more to the voters who continually vote for them and send their dues to them and get re-elected again…yada yada yada….the jig is up dude, deal with it

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JAY

Let’s not go giving the unions too much credit there…you have populations with long traditions of public access to quality, if Sharia riddled, educations. .

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The Republican electorate is now controlled by far right “born again Christians”. Their politics,like their religion, will not tolerate any disagreement or make any accomodiation with those who differ even slightly. We are getting closer and closer to an America where the fundamentalist Church will be the State.

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Romney has written off white working America. Romney does not like private success, private sector growth or the capitalism that produces it. He is a socialist who believes only in government control of our lives and fortunes.

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paul,
check the constitution and the responsibility of our gov’t to maintain national defense……now answer my question about obama and the dem leadership…..serious question paul

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There’s insanity on both sides. Giving a 2% reduction is SS when the much needed system is already heading toward insolvency is insane. Sending 50,000 more troops into the hopeless quagmire of Afghanistan is insane. Submitting budgets with $1+T deficits when we’re already in debt 100% of GDP is insane.

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Ben Shockley

SS is a contribution to a retirement plan?

You sure you don’t want to rephrase that? Else you’ll have people writing in to SSA asking them how much money they’ve contributed to their retirement plan -

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Paul @ 2:48

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the problem with unions is the money laundering scheme used to funnel automatically deducted dues right to the dem party

Yet another person who has no idea that the SCOTUS ruled against that years ago. Go and research stuff dude, especially Beck Rules when it comes to employment at jobs covered by a CBA. As late as 2007, the SCOTUS has ruled in favor of Beck Rules, yet you mindless minions believe all this crap that you hear without ever researching it to see if it’s true. I bet if they told you Bigfoot was a Liberal, you’d go around reciting that too….

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B. Shockley — “What I do blame on teachers (”educators” in general, really, because the administrators are as much or more of the problem) is wielding their political power to protect the obviously failed status quo in public education, i.e. fighting voucher programs, protecting their obscene pension and benefit plans, etc.”

I see. So it’s not actually *unions* you’re upset about, but just teachers in general. Got it.

“Thanks for the opportunity to clarify though.”

Hey, I’m always pleased to give a conservative enough rope to string both himself AND his ideas up.

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The deficit and debt problem will only be solved when congress passes legislation to reduce spending and increase revenue.

As always, the voice of common damn sense. Amen!!!!

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“And by “clarify”, Ben, you mean back down completely from your claim that the “iron grip” of the teachers’ unions have ruined education.”

If that’s how you interpreted my response, maybe YOU attended government schools. The fact that I don’t believe Georgia to be the worst doesn’t mean I don’t think it is a complete and utter failure, because that is exactly what I do think.

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Ummm…. Billybob….. question wasn’t about providing for the national defense. Constitution doesn’t require the defense structure we now have. We went a lonnnnnnng time before that came into being.

Sure, I’ll address “what’s amazing is his top guy saying hiring public sector union people is what will fix the private sector.”

Problem is, I’m not at all sure ‘his top guy” ever said that. I’m more inclined to think you made it up. So… who’s his ‘top’ guy and when did he say that?

So… back to your response… I understand you’re okay with spending $130 billion to hire 100,000 federal workers and a bunch of private sector workers?

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Ben never says anything; he implies it.

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“The fact that I don’t believe Georgia to be the worst doesn’t mean I don’t think it is a complete and utter failure, because that is exactly what I do think.” – Wow!

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what’s amazing is obama saying the private sector is doing fine and you ignoring that…

Ok, I will post this again.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-to-spot-b.s.-political-story-in-under-10-seconds

See Item #5, the first one listed.

“Obama gaffe,” “Romney gaffe,” “Perry gaffe,” “Biden gaffe” — every party gets it equally. The word just means “embarrassing mistake,” and I have literally never heard it used outside of the context of a meaningless, bullsh-t filler political news story. I’m not normally an angry man, but it’s such an obnoxious word that if somebody at work used “gaffe” in a sentence I would fling my goddamned coffee into his face.

You’re probably asking why routine slips of the tongue continually become news headlines when they have absolutely no impact at all on the candidates’ positions or platforms, or what they intend to do in office, or how capable they are of doing it, or anything else. Good f-cking question! The answer is that many (if not most) people don’t follow politics in order to find out who to vote for as part of their duty as citizens living in a democracy. They follow it purely as a form of entertainment. They’re like sports fans, rooting for their “team” to win.

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“While I’m NOT rich, I don’t hate the rich, nor do I feel entitled to helping myself to what is theirs.”

Once again Ben, please explain to us all how paying taxes equals “helping myself to what is theirs”, when you have already posted that you do not believe in anarchy and you do not support the GOP’s war-mongering policies and you do not support a system like Darfur for America… where exactly do you get everything YOU want from gov’t and still not have to pay for anything???

Thanks again!

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So, has Ben withdrawn his earlier legislation proposing a break in the iron grip of the teacher’s unions? Dang! That was so short-lived, it didn’t even get a chance to get an ALEC preamble attached to it.

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Well, when you starve the tax system and don’t fund your public schools (like here in the South), don’t complain that schools are pretty crappy.

My sister n law is a guidance counselor at one of the top public schools in Massachusetts, and this school would put a private school in Georgia to shame. But then again, they pay more in property taxes and have excellent public schools.

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“So, has Ben withdrawn his earlier legislation proposing a break in the iron grip of the teacher’s unions?”

No, Scott walker made it a moot point last week.

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When’s the next 35,000 per plate fund raiser for Obama thrown by members of the 99%’ers.

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Ben never did voice his opinion regarding putting an end to those horrid Bush tax cuts that made it possible for 50% of the income earners to get away with paying no federal income taxes to begin with. You will be happy to see those Bush tax cuts eliminated, won’t you, Ben. HALLO! HALLLLLLOOOO! BEN!

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“Well, when you starve the tax system and don’t fund your public schools (like here in the South), don’t complain that schools are pretty crappy.”

Well, the field of battle is littered with te corpses of dead straw men today. Steve, you’ll be shocked to find out that public school spending in America is at an all-time high in inflation adjusted numbers. The problem isn’t spending.

As always, thanks for playing.

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BEN

I’m in the public schools every day. We work with the product we’re sent. I can assure you, of the demographics you mentioned, we get just as good and bad from one as the other.

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And even if Brother Bruno is not here, this is in relation to his “time off” canard…just got called in for tomorrow…

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And the democRATS are set to nominate an anti-semite, former black panther in New York for their congressional candidate. No venom comes from his mouth I am sure. Maybe you guys should spend as much time keeping your eyes on your parties boys instead of the spewing your daily spew.

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“If you have most of the income, you pay most of the taxes…if you have little income you pay little taxes.

Next crybaby please.”

Ummmmm, actually this discussion started with the typical liberal whining, crybaby tantrum about the rich not paying their fair share allegedly. LOL

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OH please, Ben – state governments have been cutting school funding left and right due to the great recession. So why do you lie?

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So, how do you liberals believe that the WI recall election would have turned out if Scott Walker had “compromised” as suggested by Jeb and Bookman? There was no compromise for these lunatics. It was their way or the highway, straight up. Walker didn’t budge an inch. He stood his ground with balls as big as the state he still runs. Compromise to a liberal means “do it my way”. Just as Bozo said so well, “We won”, or “Go sit in the back of the bus”. The conservative voice of the GOP is alive and well and long may it last. Take a good look at the last midterm election. Then take a good look at this November when it happens. We’re sick of this idiocy.

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“Ben never did voice his opinion regarding putting an end to those horrid Bush tax cuts that made it possible for 50% of the income earners to get away with paying no federal income taxes to begin with. You will be happy to see those Bush tax cuts eliminated, won’t you, Ben. HALLO! HALLLLLLOOOO! BEN!”

Actually Obama/Pelosi/Reid extended the Bush tax cuts all by their liberal selves. And ONCE AGAIN I never suggested that the bottom 50% should pay more…just refuted steve’s assertion that the rich don’t pay enough.

You guys are so dense it’s really getting boring.

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Billybob

Well, Romney just tossed out that 20 percent increase and 100,000 new workers and all sorts of hardware without one single reference to why they were needed. I’d think a conservative Republican would be mortified at such a free and easy spending attitude and wouldn’t excuse it just because it was identified for “Defense.”

Respond to Axelrod’s comments?

I must have missed your link. Care to post it again?

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Ben, what was the tax rate during Ike compared to today for the top earners? Use the googles and get back to me (but you won’t, ’cause you’re a coward).

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Adam

June 11th, 2012
1:59 pm
The far right has zero interest in being moderate,
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The far left has zero interest in being moderate,

Wouldn’t that statement be just as accurate?

I agree with both.

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Aaaaah, the poster formerly known as Harry Callahan is back.

Socialism — BOO!

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Hey Ben.

I hope you’re off today or work the night shift, otherwise your employer is being cheated by your time spent commenting.

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Ben

How much have you contributed to your Social Security retirement plan?

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B. Shockley — “Cool! LOL. We’ll keep pouring billions down the public schools drain and see where that gets us.”

Again, since you’re apparently a newcomer here, your guesses about what I think on various politically-oriented topics have been pretty far off the mark, Here’s an idea — how about you actually act like an adult and ASK me what I think on a topic before you try to make fun of views or opinions I don’t actually have? It’ll save me the effort of laughing at and pointing out your numerous incorrect guesses.

“My kid is very happily in private school by the way. The difference between private and Cobb County is, shall we say, enlightening.”

I have no problem with you educating your child or children in private school, so long as it’s done at your own expense.

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B. Shockley — “Yeah, when government gains too much power (by confiscating our wealth”

You be sure and let us know when that actually happens, okay Punkin?

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“Go sit in the back of the bus”.

The. Lie. That. Will. Not. Die.

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And ONCE AGAIN I never suggested that the bottom 50% should pay more…

And I did not make that claim. You, however, continue to fail to provide your opinion regarding the elimination of those Bush tax cuts so those 50% that pay no federal taxes can be reduced to a lower number. Come on Ben. Are you looking forward to seeing more people pay federal taxes or not. Try to participate in the exchange on a more thought-provoking level.

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Redneck,
If the Republicans do win it all in November, the time machine will have started and we will be back in the past with no future…

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“Ben, what was the tax rate during Ike compared to today for the top earners? Use the googles and get back to me (but you won’t, ’cause you’re a coward).”

Why don’t you use google and tell what “bracket creep” is, and tell us how many (really how few) American taxpayers were impacted by that top marginal rate?

(but you won’t, because you’re a coward and besides you don’t know what bracket creep is)

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Oblama

I hope you are aware that almost all politicians will tell you what they think you want to hear. Yes, even the ones that you have voted for in the past and will vote for this November.

That is Dems, Repubs, Ind, etc, etc

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“Ben

How much have you contributed to your Social Security retirement plan?”

I earn more than$106K. so therefore I pay the maximum every year. And I appreciate your concern for my future.

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Jay, you could care less what Reagan thinks. I am sure if given the choice between Romney and Obama he would vote Romney. Reagan did say gov was not the solution to the problem, gov was the problem. Therefore I would say Reagan would not go with the party that thinks the way to handle lazy slobs would be to make a sugary drink over 16oz illegal, or would that be an undocumented sugary drink ?

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Obama lost the AAA rating

Unforgivable

New president needed

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“Ben, stay on topic – how much lower, now, are tax rates on the top earners than they are since 1960?”

Don’t know…wasn’t born until 1962. Didn’t get first job until 1976. Don’t see how the tax rate in 1960 is relevant to the discussion. I can tell you that Reagan lowered the top tax rate from 70% to 28%, and it was a brilliant decision.

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I’m a liberal…… – “curious…………….what about the dozen or so libs who blog here everyday, all day. Are they night shift also…………I guess if you are a lib, you are a wine sipping, mid town type with vastly superior intellect………….or if you have the other view, you drive the forklift on night shift.”

Or, there are actually folks on here that have retired after working and investing for 20 years who used to live in Atlanta and enjoy keeping up with the AJC. Where can I buy one of those broad brushes I see making strokes here every day?

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Uh OH! Ben has done confessed to us that his earnings are subject to the payroll tax. That’s too bad, Ben. You do realize that if you had earned your money by the optimum Bush tax cut method, you would not only get to earn over $85,000 annually without owing any federal income tax, you would also owe no payroll tax. I feel for ya.

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“the poster formerly known as Harry Callahan is back.

oh, as another Clint Eastwood character? yeah, that’d make sense.”

Too bad you guys aren’t as sharp with political analysis…

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I am a liberal and believe…,

Damn your 3:07 was funny. I wonder myself how many of the 99%ers are going to those $35,000 a plate Obama fund raisers.

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I went to public schools, prep schools and Catholic schools and hedge school. The best education I got? Each one provided its own contribution and I wouldn’t take anything for the experience. The one thing I learned, though, was that when it comes down to the wire, the public schools offered the best when it came to socialization. That’s where I learned that it doesn’t matter who you are or where you came from, in this country you can aspire for the highest goals. All it takes is dedication to learning.

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A change of pace…a happy ending to a sad story…

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/06/ap-navy-pilot-missing-since-vietnam-remains-home-060912/

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“Steve, you can’t compare todays rate to 1960. The 1960 rate had so many legal writeoffs many of the wealthiest paid little to no tax at all.”

That still goes on today.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/big-paychecks-tiny-tax-burdens-how-21000-wealthy-americans-avoided-paying-income-tax/

“The richest woman in Wisconsin, Diane Hendricks, is worth an estimated $2.8 billion, but she did not pay a dime in state income tax in 2010, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel first reported.”

you were saying?

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What Ann Coulter said: If we elect Chris Christy as our presidental nominee we win. If we pick Mitt Romney for our nominee we lose. ‘Nuff said.

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Oblama, forget the national polls and take a look at the electorate map. It is the state polls that matter. Those polls show that The President is roughly 23 electoral votes away from the 270 needed and Romney is 66 away. Romney can win key states such as Ohio & Florida and still not win in November. That is a disheartening fact the republicans must face. Romney will have to practically sweep the swing states to have a chance.

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They have been completly pushed out of the dem party. If your not a rabid foaming at the mouth lib you’re not wanted anymore…

At least one senator, Mary Landrieu, begs to differ.

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In the end, the holy underwear flip flopping plutocrat who failed as governor of Mass is not going to replace Obama, however mundane and un-exciting Obama has been.

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Ben Shockley: Personal responsibility – BOO!

Very few people on the left have a problem with personal responsibility (if any). What the actual consensus is, is that Personal Responsibility is just a code word used to avoid any sort of assistance for poor people. It is also a term used to avoid the concept of a collective society, which WE ARE, whether you like it or not. Personal responsibility and collective responsibility are not mutually exclusive.

But that explanation doesn’t fit on a bumper sticker so BOO!

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“Oblama, forget the national polls and take a look at the electorate map. It is the state polls that matter. Those polls show that The President is roughly 23 electoral votes away from the 270 needed and Romney is 66 away. Romney can win key states such as Ohio & Florida and still not win in November. That is a disheartening fact the republicans must face. Romney will have to practically sweep the swing states to have a chance.”

The disheartening fact that Democrats mus tface is that these aere the same pollsters that had the Scott Walker recall election as a dead heat.

LMAO!!!

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If Haliburton did this, Dick Cheney would be on death row.

Best argument for privatizing SS EVER

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A Bush that said something that made sense.Bush and making sense in the same sentence.Is that an unpardonable sin?

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Do not fool yourselfs, nether Pres. Obama or Gov. Romney is qualified to run this country. If the elections was a real job interview, where you have to show acomplishments and results that you have achieved to get the job, the employers would pass over these two and keep looking for someone else.

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Ben – hate to break this to you, but Nate Silver predicted a 95% chance of Walker winning in Wisconsin and not getting recalled. THe polls were actually pretty accurate. Just like Nate is predicting (as he correctly predicted the 2008 election), that the electoral college vote is NOT in Romney’s favor. Not even close.

How ’bout them apples?

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Sux – Jay was trying to use Clinton, while he was in office, as an example of the Dems being just as conservative back then as now. I pointed out that Clinton stated on T.V. during questioning while he was President that he was opposed to “same sex marriages”. That’s a fact. If you don’t like it – to bad. Jay brought up something he can’t prove because it isn’t true. Polls show that the Dem leadership (Congress & President) are further to the left than they have ever been……… recent Pugh Poll. The same poll said the Repub leadership had moved further to the right. What Clinton’s opinion is now concerning “same sex” marriage is irrelevant to the argument Jay was making since Clinton is no longer in office. Are you an Obama supporter? Yes or No will suffice.

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Now what is it you feel is your victory in this discussion? I hope you don’t rely on your intellect for personal income.

No need to get testy, Ben or is it Harry. I merely noted that you were not taking advantage of the optimized Bush tax cut scenario whereby you can earn over $85,000 annually via capital gains and qualified dividends and not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax. I think that deal clearly beats any deal the poor wage earner gets hands down, don’t you.

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“I asked you if you wanted to rephrase, you didn’t respond, so I can only conclude you really do think when you pay SS taxes you contribute to your retirement plan.

Which you don’t. Your money goes to current retirees. And to general, non-SS obligations.”

Two problems;

1) According to the government, I am making contributions, and the size of my contributions impacts my benefits

2) Obama called it a tax when he lowered it from 6.2% to 4%, and the left uses it to claim that Obama “cut taxes for working Americans”, and the left uses social security taxes (payroll taxes) in a lame attempt to rebut the assertion that the bottom 50% of wage earners pay zero federal income taxes.

Oh, and I appreciate your concern about my personal retirement plans, but I hold a masters degree in finance and my portfolio is currently in the 7-figure zone. I think you’d be better off worrying about YOUR retirement plan.

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Jay, Bill Clinton moved to the center and started acting like a moderate as soon as he got his tail handed to him in the 94 mid term elections. Listen to him now, he constantly takes different positions than Pres Obama. As far as healthcare goes, Obama and the liberal wing wanted a single payer system. Then they tried for a trigger. Got neither, b/c Nelson and a few other conservative dems would not sign off. Obama would love for us rich 1%’s to “pay our fair share” even though we already pay most of the taxes anyway.

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Paul @ 3:26

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curious

Merlot sipping? Domestic or foreign…Argentine? Gimme some…

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Merlot?? meh

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6. Democrats are all far right socialists
7. Bush was an amazing President and he built an amazing economy

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SfD — “5. No animal shall kill another animal without cause.”

6. Four legs good, two legs bad.

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Merlot?? meh

Agreed.

Make mine a Valpolicella, or if it’s a special occasion and I got the dough, an Amarone.

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They BOTH suck

June 11th, 2012
2:41 pm
TBG @ 2:38

Love the end of your post

hahahaha

What’s up dude? Hope you had a good weekend
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TBS, how’s it going. I’m doing well. At work, busy as heck (durn Obama econmy).

The weekend was good. Grilled out (in the rain). Got a good deal on baby backs so I had to put some heat to them. I had so much I gave a slab to a co worker.

You?

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Ben

If you hold a master’s degree in finance, I hope all you’re doing is assembling statements and forwarding information, ’cause you evidently don’t realize the implication when you write “when you pay SS taxes you contribute to your retirement plan.”

You supervisors would get real tired, real fast, of sending the work back down to find out what you mean by phrases like “contribute to your plan” as opposed to ‘qualify for a level of benefits”, or between “you contribute to your plan” as opposed to “qualify for a level of benefits and taxes/contributions are not held but are used to fund current retirees’ benefits.”

They’d especially get tired if the response was not “sorry for the misimpression, let me clarify.” But maybe this is just your outlet to vent, as at your level you can’t?

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…and not a peep from Mr. Bookman.

Go to blogspot.com.
Create your own blog.
Choose any topic that suits your fancy.

See how easy that is?

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oh, and Ben

“my portfolio is currently in the 7-figure zone. I think you’d be better off worrying about YOUR retirement plan.”

As josef pointed out, secure people don’t feel the need to engage in such behaviors, especially as everyone here realizes that on the Internet you can be whatever you want to be.

As I told my kids when they were growing up, attending university and entering the workforce: “don’t ever, ever compare your earnings and investments against another’s, because no matter how much you earn or have, you can always meet a person who has more. That is not a measure of a successful life.”

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Kam – X2 on the Valpolicella

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PAUL

Methinks Ben is shucking and jiving for the Piedmont Driving Club…

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…some of the best stuff you ever put in your mouth, affordable and available at your nearby Whole Foods…

Foods stamps and wearing a prom dress required for purchase.

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TBG

Doing well. Went to Savannah Thursday evening and came back last night. Girlfriend’s aunt had a bday so we went to celebrate.

Good to know that work is going well for you. Some on here claim that a just a threat of taxes will stymie any expansion, so glad your company is defying the odds.

Keep up the good work

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K’chak

But, of course, de rigueur!

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balanced budget amendment = completely tanked economy, great depression 2

oh puhleeze. even if they did get that stupidity ratified, they’d never actually implement it.

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Paul @ 3:50

You’ve got me busy with my note taking.

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The International Keystone Knights of the Ku Klux Klan have submitted a formal application to participate in the state’s Adopt-a-Highway program in North Georgia.

That is not too far, Blairsville, from Young Harris home of Zell, less than 20 miles. It is my guess the Tea Party got these guys feeling civic minded. This is one of those havens for like minded thinkers, kind of like a hole in the wall for bigots. Thank the Lord they are not socialists, might give this state a bad name, bigots wouldn’t feel so wanted.

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I have a millions of dollars in investments and run my own international company, which I built from the ground up. I will retire a billionaire when I am 30. I AM BETTER THAN ALL OF YOU!

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John Birch – austerity during slumping economy = bad.
Tackling the deficit when economy is good = good.

Common sense, man.

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OBLAMA

Not a fence sitter myself, but that IS where our country lies…is there something wrong with that?

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saywhat

I inherited mine, so I’m better than YOU!

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Brosephus

That business about just reading what was written (or listening to what was said) without any interpretation along the lines of “what he really means is ……..”?

Don’t try that with Mrs. Brosephus….

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GT – And there are no bigots among socialists? The KKK is non existent today as a force and the group of idiots applying for the Adopt A Highway Program aren’t even from Georgia. They are from Alabama. Like the so called New Black Panther Party they are just a bunch of disorganized racist thugs looking for attention.

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PAUL

It does for a fact. L’il Princess was over with the boys the other day talking about where to go on vacation. It was really nice to hear, “we’ve got a little money put aside for it…”

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Steve – Keynes suggested deficit government spending when you’re in recession but paying it back when you’re not. We are not in recession. BTW, I’m not advocating balancing the 2013 budget but a requirement to do so sooner rather than later. Spending tax money on transfer payments and infrastructure is better than spending it on interest on the debt.

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carlos

No Christians? You’re slipping, Bubba,,,

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Jeez Jay, if you’re bent on being a political hack at least use something better than this. Kyle just cut your bit to pieces. My advice to you (which I know is worth like, nothing to you) is before you and your MediaMatters boys jump on something, at least think about it for a few minutes. And by all means look in the mirror man when you are talking about radical politics!

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“Unfortunately, they aren’t bothering to do much hiring. -carlosgvv

Why would they hire people that they don’t need?

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Joe Hussein Mama

You know, we do in fact get a number of newbies when school’s out…

straitroad

“But former Black Panther and anti-semite Charles Barron will welcomed by the democrat party caucus ”

Does this mean you’re going to work against Candidate Romney ’cause he’s LDS and former Black Panther leader Eldridge Cleaver became a member of the LDS church?

As Wiki puts it: “In the early 1980s, Cleaver became disillusioned with what he saw as the commercial nature of mainstream evangelical Christianity and examined alternatives, including Sun Myung Moon’s campus ministry organization CARP, and Mormonism.[15] Cleaver was baptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on December 11, 1983,[16][17] periodically attended regular services, lectured by invitation at LDS gatherings, and was a member of the church in good standing at the time of his death in 1998.”

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Willie

Wanna talk to me about our kids from a same-sex household? Put ‘em up against anything the breeders can pull out any day of the week…and that’s not to bad mouth the heterosexuals. They do a pretty good job of it all around…of course, sometimes us same-sex folks do have to pick up the slack, but hey, ain’t that what we’re all supposed to be about?

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Josef, you been on a roll man! One voice of reasoned thought in a bleak wasteland of vicious partisan politics.

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“Unfortunately, they aren’t bothering to do much hiring.”

No one is obligated to provide you with a job. If you want one, go demonstrate that you would actually be a net benefit, or start your own company.

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joseph

see my 2:50 post

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POGO

On a roll, you say…hope it’s not this one…

A corpulent maiden named Kroll
Had a notion exceedingly droll
At a masquerade ball
Dressed in nothing at all
She backed in as a Parker House roll

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Butch: Not quite. He may have referred to himself as an individual but he clearly was not

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Jay – “Is that the document that begins “We, the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union….”?”

Apparently Ben has access to the original version that went like this: ” It’s everyman for himself, so out of the way F$%#$RS!!!!!

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josef

make that ‘how SOME peoples’ perspectives change”

Some never seem to change and oddly, hold that as a virtue.

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“We, the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union….”

ZOMG — SOCIALISM!

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josef

June 11th, 2012
4:15 pm
You are full of it! All that can be achieved is an “A”. Been there done that! You want exceptions to the rule. Lets go for it!

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Apparently Ben has access to the original version that went like this: ” It’s everyman for himself, so out of the way F$%#$RS!!!!!

That’s gotta be the second funniest post today. The only one that beats that one is the goalpost relay with yourself……

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Jeb doesn’t want to run against an Obama.

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She backed in as a Parker House roll

Sounds more like hot cross buns.

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Jay

You definitely don’t want Pogo to read the comments here…

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2894062/posts

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Normal Free…Pro Human Rights Thug…And liking it!

June 11th, 2012
3:18 pm
Redneck,
If the Republicans do win it all in November, the time machine will have started and we will be back in the past with no future…
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If you use a time machine to go back to a past that has no future, how are you able to use the time machine? You would not exist.

That’s kinda like going back in the past to kill yourself.

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josef

For lots of people of that generation, it wasn’t all that long from high school graduation to marriage. That woman must’ve just blown him clear off his feet.

And yes, it IS great, isn’t it?

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Oblama if a fence sitter does criticize a side, doesn’t that make him no longer a fence sitter ( unless he is from Ala. then he is a fence jumper).

Seems like those Alabama KKK would be busy chasing down those Mexican illegals…

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Scout

Shucks

Not looking good, but I’m sure the good Sheriff of Maricopa Country AZ will keep us abreast of any new findings

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/supremes-refuse-to-hear-birth-certificate-challenge/?cat_orig=us

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josef

Maybe willibkind’s raising of of kids were the parents were gay didn’t work out so well. We can only hope that however it turned out that things get turned for the better.

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Mighty Righty . well of course3 cause he is BLACK period.. All men Created equal and such……The great lie !

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Ask THEM about being raised by a same sex couple…

I think it’s not so much about the same sex couple per se as it is about what happens when man and dogs/goats/mules/whatever farm animal gets married. Who will stay home and raise the kids?

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What is a Navy drone doing in MD

Obama is bad

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willibkind is just homo phobic that’s all….. no big deal.

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PAUL

Another one that caught my eye was from one of the classmates that I never really knew that well. She told us about her work in her (Baptist) church, and then without breaking stride, about her son (NAME) and his partner (NAME, decidedly a male one!) and how proud she was of how well he had done, just the same as if she had said “he and his wife are living in Mobile and…” and then the daughter and her husband “who are….”

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Adam

June 11th, 2012
3:36 pm
The far left has zero interest in being moderate,

Wouldn’t that statement be just as accurate?

I agree with both.

Yes, but the far left is far from having even a remote controlling interest in the current Democratic Party, in contrast with the far right and the current GOP.
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Also, you don’t DWS is in any way extreme?
How about Nancy P? Harry Reid? Maxine, Carole MB? Garjuvila (The guy from NM)?

There are people in positions of power that hold extreme views on BOTH sides.

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What’s the difference between the far right and the Republican party? One. Maybe two.

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remember what former senator simpson said recently and i am paraphrasing….someone who cannot compromise has a rock for a brain

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josef

“Can only judge from our own experience”

True. I know you were conveying what you know. My whole point is that he doesn’t know about your experience and maybe not any exposure at in that regard. I could be 100% incorrect with that assumption, but if I am not, he is just spouting what he read or heard. It fit the narrative, so he ran with it.

In a “perfect world” he may have a point, but since it hasn’t ever been “perfect”……………..

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They BOTH suck

June 11th, 2012
3:58 pm
TBG
Good to know that work is going well for you. Some on here claim that a just a threat of taxes will stymie any expansion, so glad your company is defying the odds.
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This year alone we acquired one of the largest companies in our industry. We also expanded to about 300,000 customers in the west.

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“Jeb: Reagan, Bush Sr. ‘would have hard time’ in new GOP”

Maybe so ……………… and because the “left” has never been so left !

Drastic times call for drastic action.

Ooo Rah !

Marines standby to repel boarders !

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0311 — “Drastic times call for drastic action. Ooo Rah ! Marines standby to repel boarders !”

The HERPA DERP is strong with this one.

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“NET WORTH OF AMERICAN FAMILY FALLS 40% IN 3 YEARS”

Thanks Mr. Obama !

Oh, before I forget:

“Obama: ‘If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a ONE-TERM (emphasis added) proposition.’ 2/2/09″

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Headline: “Issa: 31 Democrats Will Vote To Condemn Holder”

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josef

One more thing on that ’study’ that willi mentioned. I can’t say whether the study is valid or invalid. What I can say is that the study (conducted by a professor at the Unv of Texas) looked at families of all kinds, which of course included gay households.

Without naming them, I have looked at two right leaning sites and they both concentrate on the gay issue. That is all fine an dandy but the study was conducted included single parent homes (straight and gay), “traditional family”, heterosexuals who are not married, etc, etc.

Also included voting patterns, income level, unemployment and numerous other variables.

Strange what is being taken from the study and presented as just a gay vs straight issue.

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Brosephus™

June 11th, 2012
4:15 pm
TBG

The video is Sportscenter Top 10 countdown of post-game meltdowns. Dennis Green’s “They were who we thought they were!” is #1. Since you brought that up, I’ve looked at it about 10 times just for laughs.
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If the Mora “playoff’s?” melt down in in there, you may have a bookmark winner.

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Scout

““Obama: ‘If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a ONE-TERM (emphasis added) proposition.’ 2/2/09″”

I can’t for the life of me understand your double standard, holding fast to a very literal meaning of what Pres Obama said, with no allowance for extenuating circumstances, just a dismissive “he said it, he should know better in his position, he lives with it, period”

while you do the exact opposite on behalf of the early leaders of your faith you try to witness for and convert everyone to.

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BOTH

It’s cherry picking for sure. I get just as skeptical when a gay starts to say we do a “better” job. At the end of the day, it’s pretty much an even draw and that, imauo, is a good thing.

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The rein in Spain falls mainly on the plane.

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0311 — “Unaddressed “rabbit holes” can cost a president the election”

Not if your name’s Bill Clinton.

Heyoooooooooo!

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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 11th, 2012
5:20 pm

The rein in Spain falls mainly on the plane.

They should have toughed out austerity!

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Billybob — “claiming the moral authority to not namecall”

“nice job lib”

What you did there. I see it.

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Paul:

Same as “No New Taxes” and I laid it on him thick for saying that one ! It cost him the election. I call ‘em like I see ‘em.

By the way ……… where have you been ?

“Paul:

1) Those who have served (in actual combat) are sometimes a little more intense in their feelings about many subjects. There are many reasons for this ……. don’t have the time now.
I’m sure you have been to football games to cheer on your team ……… and you certainly are intense in your cheering ……… but the guys on the field are just probably a little more so. Just the way it is.

2) “While we want to preach the truth in love, the Bible is often offensive …… ”

I never compared myself to the Lord. I simply quoted what he said about those who follow Him and the fact that non-believers will hate them also. You’ll have to take that up with Him.

3) What should happen to those in the “chain of command” is not for YOU or ME to decide. Those decisions are thankfully made by those who have all the facts and the authority act accordingly ………. under the law.

4) First, please find the quote from me where I said “I was the expert” in USSS matters.

“Administrative aciton” is taken based on the facts involved AND what has been done in the past. In other words, discipline must be consistent. You can’t put the hammer down on someone for political expediency. It is my understanding that some of those involved are going to federal court so that will involve the judicial process as well. It’s really not that difficult to understand.

5) Regarding Former President Clinton, I didn’t think you would answer that one.

I try my best to be consistent. For example, if someone is unfaithful to their spouse (Republican or Democrat) I weigh that with all the other issues and cast my vote. Being unfaithful is not a crime but it should be taken into account as to character. Most often it’s the lesser of two evils.

That said, once that type of activity is brought onto government property with someone under your chain of command ……….. that is BEYOND just unfaithfulness. It “should” get you fired !”

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Joe Hussein Mama:

That’s why I said “can” not “will”.

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Billybob @ 5:20:

He’s bad about that.

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Paul,

Scout is worried that Obama will not keep government out of Medicare.

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Scout

why are you pasting from a discussion from last week?

No new taxes? I didn’t realize Pres Bush was one of the early leaders of your faith -

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Lib mantra…raise taxes on others so I don’t feel bad about not being charitable! See Joe “fishooks in my pockets” Biden.

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How silly is this ?

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June 11th, 2012
5:10 pm

“NET WORTH OF AMERICAN FAMILY FALLS 40% IN 3 YEARS”

Thanks Mr. Obama !

You mean thank you GOP and all the Bush debt, including the made up War, and housing crises, and lack of regulation don’t you ?

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Jay

June 11th, 2012
4:46 pm
My opinion is that Obama would have been jailed by our “FOUNDERS”. Adams. Jefferson, Franklin, Washington and the rest …. !

No, not jailed. Set to picking tobacco more likely. – Or serving them coffee

On a more serious note, the British were our enemies, Mighty. Do you perceive fellow Americans who disagree with you politically as your enemies? – Some politicians do…”And if Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, we’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us, ”

http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+punish+enemies+quote&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&safe=active

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Billybob

When people make a statement like “his top guy saying hiring public sector union people is what will fix the private sector ” then can’t source it and tell someone who asked ‘where’d you get that?” to go google it ’cause an adult could find it”

Well, most people would drop it. Especially when they’ve been off the board for a while, they wouldn’t bring it back up. They’d let it die.

You really should. You’re embarrassing yourself.

(If you need help copying and pasting URLs or text from other websites, just ask. Plenty here would be glad to help you.)

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Taxpayer

And his government pension!

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“Do you perceive fellow Americans who disagree with you politically as your enemies?”

0bama does.

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0311/8541/5811/1811/1801. How long do you think the it will take to get the Bush years behind us, because economists I have read say 10 years to make up for the buffoonery.

Deficits don’t matter, Cost Plus Contracts…… all the bail outs of corporate America, all while individuals suffered, and the GOP doesn’t want to help anyone, for maybe the 1% ultra rich.

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Scout

That 5:19 – are we to assume you just accept a double standard of accountability when it comes to a Democratic president you can’t stand compared to one of the leaders of your faith? (Apostle Peter)

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