Jeb: Reagan, Bush Sr. ‘would have hard time’ in new GOP
“Former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida said his father, George Bush, and Ronald Reagan would find themselves out of step with today’s Republican Party because of its strict adherence to ideology and the intensity of modern partisan warfare.
“Ronald Reagan would have, based on his record of finding accommodation, finding some degree of common ground, similar to my dad, they would have had a hard time if you define the Republican Party — and I don’t — as having an orthodoxy that doesn’t allow for disagreement,” Mr. Bush said at a question-and-answer session with reporters and editors held Monday morning in Manhattan by Bloomberg View.
“Back to my dad’s time or Ronald Reagan’s time,” he said, “they got a lot of stuff done with a lot of bipartisan support that right now would be difficult to imagine happening.”
I think that’s notable for several reasons. It helps to explain why Bush, like Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie and other more pragmatic Republicans, declined to run for president this cycle even though, as Jeb said last week, “This was probably my time.” They were unwilling to claim to believe the nonsense that is required to win the nomination in this day and age, and abandoned the field to the far-more-malleable and opportunistic Mitt Romney.
Jeb’s more honest appraisal of his party is a welcome if belated effort to pull it back from the brink and force it to become more responsible. As the former Florida governor noted last week:
“Here’s what I know to be true. Next year or the year after there’s going to have to be a grand bargain. We are on an unsustainable course. It is not possible to continue to do what we are going — what we’re doing today. It’s just not possible. And I think most people that have looked at our structural deficit problems would admit it. If they were put on a lie detector or, you know, under oath or something like that, they would admit it.”
Asked about comments to Congress that he would be willing to take a hypothetical $10 in budget cuts for every $1 in higher revenue, Bush said his willingness to take that deal shows that he is no longer seeking office as a Republican.
“It was living proof I’m not running for anything I think more than anything else,” Bush said.
I’ve said it before repeatedly: This nation needs a sane, rational and conservative Republican Party, and those adjectives — “sane, rational and conservative”– should not be and need not be contradictory, as they have become in recent years.
I agree with Jeb about the necessity of a grand bargain on the nation’s financial future. But I very much worry that Republican leadership and the Republican media machine have succeeded so well in drilling the “no new taxes” mantra into the head of their base that they no longer have any room in which to manuever and negotiate.
Given his statements in recent days, I suspect that Jeb Bush has had similar thoughts.
– Jay Bookman
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Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
June 11th, 2012
6:39 pm
“Josef, OREP was provoked by the misuse of reign vs. rein, a mistake that I’ve seen recently in the NYT”
The one that is beginning to annoy me is “site” for “sight” – It’s even in one of the Harry Potter books.
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June 11th, 2012
6:39 pm
Paul:
P.S.
You can be a “cheerleader” or a “linebacker”.
Your perspective will be different.
josef
June 11th, 2012
6:40 pm
BERNIE
Please don’t use the phrase “off the reservation.” It’s offensive.
Brosephus™
June 11th, 2012
6:42 pm
TBG
It definitely shows!!!
—————–
the phrase “semi-literate dolt”
I imagine that one’s on the list with delusional lickspittle now. I gotta remember to NOT use either one of those now.
——————
josef @ 6:25
barking frog
June 11th, 2012
6:42 pm
Scout
the USAF avoids a**holes..
Paul
June 11th, 2012
6:42 pm
Scout
I lay an Ed Bundy reference on a platter and you think it’s a banquet presentation to be admired…..
getalife
June 11th, 2012
6:43 pm
Half of Americans will do what they are told to do by talk radio and fox so I would give it 50 % frog.
Brosephus™
June 11th, 2012
6:43 pm
Paul
I tried to google that phrase, but the only thing that matches to union is CNN’s State of the Union program. I think you’ve been hoodwinked.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
6:43 pm
Hummmmmmmmm …………………….
“(CBS News) CBS News has learned the House Oversight Committee will vote next week on whether to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress. It’s the fourth time in 30 years that Congress has launched a contempt action against an executive branch member.”
Paul
June 11th, 2012
6:44 pm
Hey Brosephus
You got any of Bosch’s screen cleaner for barking frog’s 6:42?
"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010
June 11th, 2012
6:44 pm
Thanx for responding Jay.
I stand by my position that your blog and premise were a weak statement and typical of what to expect for the next several months.
To the readers and to Jay — Are you better off than you were four years ago? Do you feel more secure in your job even with a trillion dollars of stimulus pumped in by Uncle Bernienankiey?
How’s that $3.50 gas working out for the little guy?
Obama in 2012 = FAILURE and four more years of recession and gloom.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
6:45 pm
barking frog:
I love them. They saved my life more than once.
God bless those close air support guys !!!
josef
June 11th, 2012
6:45 pm
SCOUT
@ 6:43
You just now opening the memo?
Paul
June 11th, 2012
6:46 pm
Brosephus
I don’t think so. I think it flared up in his mind and he thinks it’s real. So he wants other people to enter into his reality.
No way.
St Simons - a-dela-sa-hi-hi
June 11th, 2012
6:46 pm
“…drilling the “no new taxes” mantra into the head of their base that they no longer have any room in which to manuever and negotiate.”
still workin on my metaphors here..
can we say they’ve “circled the wagons?”
is it time to ride around in a circle yet?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
6:46 pm
Paul:
Unless you “played” you wouldn’t ……….
josef
June 11th, 2012
6:46 pm
Information
“To the readers and to Jay — Are you better off than you were four years ago? Do you feel more secure in your job even with a trillion dollars of stimulus pumped in by Uncle Bernienankiey?”
Yes and yes.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
6:47 pm
josef:
No ……….. repeating it for late comers.
Bernie
June 11th, 2012
6:47 pm
How about this Josef, The Republican Party has gone off the DEEP END OF THE POOL and have been gone for awhile! They are lot like the Taliban, their intent insist on the governance of the people of America through Religious and SOCIAL fiat!
barking frog
June 11th, 2012
6:47 pm
getalife
with the possibility of a title
i’ll stick with 90% specially
with the portent of Kate
and Will at the reigns..
Matti
June 11th, 2012
6:49 pm
barking frog,
I would never agree to anything even remotely treasonous like resubmitting to the crown. I was born, live, and will die as an American. (No other citizenship required.) But I’m mature enough to see it for what it is. The eloquence of our Founding Fathers doesn’t mean much now, except for making good speeches at election time. Heck, they didn’t really mean it back then — freedom, opportunity, yadda yadda — not for everybody anyway.
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
June 11th, 2012
6:50 pm
“i’ll stick with 90% specially with the portent of Kate and Will at the reigns”
Will maybe, but not Kate. The best she can be is the King’s Consort. She can’t be Queen.
Look up “left-handed marriage” and the review the photos of their wedding
n
josef
June 11th, 2012
6:51 pm
BERNIE
I wouldn’t argue with that!
Jay
June 11th, 2012
6:52 pm
Are you better off than you were four years ago? Do you feel more secure in your job even with a trillion dollars of stimulus pumped in by Uncle Bernienankiey?
How’s that $3.50 gas working out for the little guy?
Well “Information,” that’s an interesting question.
In May of 2008, we were losing 190,000 jobs, with a lot more job losses coming. In May of 2012, we gained 65,000. So yes, you should feel more secure in your job today than you did four years ago.
Four years ago, the average price of gasoline was almost $4 a gallon. Today, it is $3.57.
So, like I said, an interesting comparison….
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 11th, 2012
6:52 pm
SoCo/Bro
I hadn’t even heard about that one.
12 red cards!
Likely to be other league sanctions as well.
Paul
June 11th, 2012
6:54 pm
Scout
Someone your age who clings to a few years when he was barely out of being a teenager as the high point of a life.
Whatever floats your boat.
josef
June 11th, 2012
6:55 pm
I think the US and the Brits alike are quite happy with the status quo. Mama let us go our own way and is kinda proud of her youngun. And we’ve been pretty good to her in her old age…no need to move back in. She’s doing just fine…
F. Sinkwich
June 11th, 2012
6:57 pm
Let’s just cut to the chase here: Jeb is a RINO.
I’m sure he’s a good guy but he just doesn’t realize the stakes here. O’bozo and his minions are intent upon turning America into a euro-socialist basket case. That cannot be allowed to happen.
The Mittster ain’t perfect, but he’s light years better than what we have now.
Ahem
June 11th, 2012
6:57 pm
Jeb’s comments are of little consequence. Jay’s comments are of even less. The reality is quite simple in that Obama will not be given four more years. Accept that and move on.
"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010
June 11th, 2012
6:57 pm
For those who need to be unflucked -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUc62jD-G0o
Mighty Righty
June 11th, 2012
6:57 pm
Whether the leaks are for political gain or simply to enhance ones own image the damage is the same and the penalties are the same. All who are familiar with security clearance requirements know the penalties are severe. In this case, peope died because of the leaks. AG Holder is well known for stalling. Hopefully in this case he will do the right thing but I will not hold my breath.
josef
June 11th, 2012
6:58 pm
“The English and the Americans are two peoples divided by a common language.”
–G.B. Shaw
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 11th, 2012
6:59 pm
Hmmm, will have to keep an eye out for OREP as I have an English degree myself. Might be fun.
And speaking of fun, Saturday night was fun, Kam! Thanks.
And, I have to ask, how did that Ben person get in here? Maybe he wandered in from some blog that kicked him out? Sorry, Ben, most of us here, from whichever side of “the aisle” are not so contentious as you seem to be.
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
June 11th, 2012
6:59 pm
“Let’s just cut to the chase here: Jeb is a RINO.”
I’m still waiting to see who shakes out as the one-and-only, true, really real REPUBLICAN.
Paul
June 11th, 2012
7:00 pm
1:27 pm “How long till the “Jeb Bush is not a REAL Republican” post?”
It tool a long time, but DINGDINGDINGDINGDING!!! We have a winner!!!!!
F Sinkwich “Let’s just cut to the chase here: Jeb is a RINO.”
josef
June 11th, 2012
7:00 pm
Ilk! Ilk! Where’s our ilk? We want ilk!
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 11th, 2012
7:02 pm
Uh, I hope y’all know I was talking about fun on the blog Saturday night.
josef
June 11th, 2012
7:02 pm
GMARE
Don’t keep your eye out for him. Just page him. He’s the eye in the sky!
Matti
June 11th, 2012
7:02 pm
josef @ 6:55,
I agree, but let’s not kid ourselves. We’re not welcome at important family functions, as we cannot be trusted to behave ourselves in decent company.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
7:02 pm
josef:
In case you haven’t seen this before:
http://www.33wis.com/articles/pdf/onhisownhook.pdf
Don't Forget
June 11th, 2012
7:03 pm
To the readers and to Jay — Are you better off than you were four years ago?
Absolutely! I have a good job and my 401K has recovered from the crash of the financial markets. The housing market is finally starting to pick up too.
How’s that $3.50 gas working out for the little guy?
Actually I paid $3.15 yesterday.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
7:04 pm
Paul:
Or my last four years when I protected you while you flew ……………
)
Some walk the walk ………. some talk the talk.
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 11th, 2012
7:05 pm
Jay 6:52
Apparently jay doesn’t get tired of making the same arguments over and over….
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 11th, 2012
7:06 pm
And, I have to ask, how did that Ben person get in here?
And speaking of fun, Saturday night was fun, Kam! Thanks.
Sure — most of the off topic stuff is fun, although a former guest here was quick to condemn the “coffee klatch” atmosphere that occasionally goes on.
Ben is not new to this blog.
Maybe he wandered in from some blog that kicked him out?
Yeah, this one. Jay banned him when he was Harry Callahan.
"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010
June 11th, 2012
7:06 pm
DO NOT EVER MENTION GEORGE BERNARD SHAW AS AN EXAMPLE OF KNOWLEDGE !!!!
He was worse than Hitler !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBZsTf6oLfY
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 11th, 2012
7:07 pm
I’d take 1 in tax increases for 10 of REAL spending cuts…..
Jay
June 11th, 2012
7:08 pm
Good point, Forget. Four years ago the market was lower than it is today, and it was diving quicker than a French soccer player.
josef
June 11th, 2012
7:08 pm
MATTI
I guess we need to work on being uppity, eh?
SCOUT
I had seen that.
DON’T FORGET
Yowsuh! Looks like we’re getting back into the $2 range…think Obama can keep it there until November…
Mighty Righty
June 11th, 2012
7:10 pm
Gas When Bush Left Office, $1.78 — Gas Today, $3.64 — Highest Average Price in Calif., $4.20
The average price for one gallon of unleaded gasoline has increased nearly every month since Barack Obama was inaugurated in January 2009. At that time, when George W. Bush was leaving office, the price was $1.78 per gallon. Today, three years plus later, the average price is $3.64.
In addition, according to the average price data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices (in nominal dollars: not adjusted for inflation) peaked during Bush’s second term at $4.09 per gallon in July 2008 and then fell to $2.15 in November, when there was an election, and fell further in December 2008 to $1.68 per gallon.
Jay
June 11th, 2012
7:10 pm
No, Kam. Ben is not new here at all — he has been posting under other names — but Harry isn’t one of them.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
7:11 pm
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion :
It’s called “whistling in the dark”.
Paul
June 11th, 2012
7:11 pm
Scout
I think you take the prize on the blog for needing validation by constantly reminding people how you lived such a dangerous life that few can match and how special you are and the rest of us just can’t understand because you’re obviously the only one who ever did such magnificent things.
I’d wager there’s more than a few who pass thru here who served longer, at much higher levels of responsibility, who would never dream of creating an excuse to tell others about it, who get just a tad embarrassed by your constant, repetitive recitations.
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 11th, 2012
7:13 pm
Scout probably right
josef
June 11th, 2012
7:13 pm
GMARE
A lot of us come here for the off topic stuff…you never know where it’ll lead…we take the Imam’s motto seriously. “An Atlanta blog with a little bit of opinion about a whole lot of things”
And it keeps us off the streets and out of trouble with the authorities…
Oh, and Ben? K’chak’s right…that boy’s had more names than Mata Hari…
He’s sorta like the jock itch…just when you think you’ve gotten rid of it…
kayaker 71
June 11th, 2012
7:14 pm
Paul, 7:11,
Did you serve?
Don't Forget
June 11th, 2012
7:16 pm
Gmare – from the urban dictionary.
A person who, on a message forum of some type, attacks and flames other members of the forum for any of a number of reasons. A real Flamer usually attacks threads because he/she disagrees with the content of the thread or the lack thereof. The difference between a Flamer and somebody who merely disagrees is that a flamer is inappropriate in their responces.
They must not be confused with Trolls.
Trolls are people who flame the posters themselves, they flame because of rank, previous disagreements, sex, status, ect.
RandomNewbie: Lyke, Im all for aborshun an stuff, butt I dont like et wen da baybez dye.
Flamer: Pssh, that’s stupid, you obviously know nothing of abortion, idiot.
Troll: OMG! Why don’t you learn how to spell you stupid f***ing newbie!?!
We get both here and usually they get banned eventually.
F. Sinkwich
June 11th, 2012
7:16 pm
Bush did this, Bush did that, stats here, stats there, blah, blah, blah……
Let’s focus for a moment on Mr. And Mrs. Middle America. As they head into the voting booth in November, what’s going to be on their mind?
WaPo:
“The net worth of the American family has fallen to its lowest level in two decades, according to government data released Monday, driven by a more than 40 percent drop in their stakes in their homes. The Federal Reserve’s detailed survey of consumer finances showed families’ median wealth plunged from $126,400 in 2007 to $77,300 in 2010 — a 39 percent decline.”
Do ya think they might say to themselves, “This guy we voted for four years ago hasn’t really been what we hoped for. Maybe this Romney guy can do better?”
Do ya?
I do.
TaxPayer
June 11th, 2012
7:16 pm
I’m still waiting to see who shakes out as the one-and-only, true, really real REPUBLICAN.
In the end, there can be only one. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 11th, 2012
7:17 pm
Four years ago the market was lower than it is today, and it was diving quicker than
a French soccer playerCristiano Ronaldo.I felt that needed cleaning up a bit.
No, Kam. Ben is not new here at all — he has been posting under other names — but Harry isn’t one of them.
Really?
He practically admitted it.
But I will defer to your expertise.
Mighty Righty
June 11th, 2012
7:17 pm
I don’t think the Democrats want to talk about the price of gasoline under Obama. Yes, one month it was high under Bush, $4.00 plus and for about six months it climbed, but never as high as the average under Zerobama and his anti oil company energy policies. The Dims can lie and deflect but we the people know every time we fil our car what the truth is. and that truth will vote in November. The 16 million unemployed and underemployed will be at the polls too. As Joe Louis once said, they can run but they can’t hide.
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 11th, 2012
7:19 pm
Paul relax…
kayaker 71
June 11th, 2012
7:19 pm
Paul,
Once again, did you serve?
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June 11th, 2012
7:19 pm
Paul:
You miss the point.
Let’s say Jay posts a blog about medical issues or nuclear physics.
If we have some doctors who post some thoughts/opinions ………. I give their views greater weight …….. all things equal. Same would be true of a nuclear scientist. They have the work and life experiences to bring more to the table.
Alas, when some on here (if the shoe fits wear it) like to opine about law enforcement, or security or issues involving war/combat …………. without any of those life experiences …………. it amuses me.
That’s all.
TaxPayer
June 11th, 2012
7:21 pm
This is the first year we have been hit with a reduction in our property value assessment by the county since we built our house here eight years ago. We got a 12.5% reduction. What will we do. Our net worth has been driven down by the stake in our home too.
Don't Forget
June 11th, 2012
7:22 pm
Yowsuh! Looks like we’re getting back into the $2 range…think Obama can keep it there until November…
Hope not since it’s more a measure of economic activity. There is one possibility that might happen. If there’s a nuclear deal with Iran then all that oil inventory that is building up would go on the market and prices might fall quite a bit.
Paul
June 11th, 2012
7:23 pm
kayaker 71
I’ve maintained for the years I’ve been here – and it’s okay if other people don’t think so or follow it – I look at a blog as a place where ideas are exchanged, without appeals to education, job history, income level, or any of the other characteristics people will invoke to give their opinions more weight. I do agree that having a career or a few years’ work in an area can give people a special insight, but that is limited by the level they were at, where they were and those they worked with.
But by and large, it’s about the ideas. Which is why I’ve never, as far as I can recall, discussed my careers, education, income or any other personal data. About the only thing I’ve shared is regarding my family.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
7:23 pm
GOOD !
“Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) said he will sue the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to move forward with his controversial attempt to purge the voter rolls in his state of ineligible voters.”
Don't Forget
June 11th, 2012
7:24 pm
No, Kam. Ben is not new here at all — he has been posting under other names — but Harry isn’t one of them.
I have a hard time respecting those who hide their identity behind completely different names. These blogs are anonymous anyway, so why not at least be accountable to the name you choose.
TaxPayer
June 11th, 2012
7:25 pm
Scout amuses me when he opines about anything associated with the sciences.
Paul
June 11th, 2012
7:25 pm
Jm
Thanks. But after a while it gets old, having the same stuff trotted out as a diversionary tactic. Or, I should probably say, repeatedly uncovering the same rabbit holes and presenting them as new knowledge.
josef
June 11th, 2012
7:25 pm
At first I kinda though Ben might be WOW, but he was posting waaay too slow for that…I was leaning toward Harry myself…
Oh, and GMARE, be very, very careful. Al Shariff the Imam knows what we’re going to post before we do it…he even directs us in what to say without us knowing it…
Paul
June 11th, 2012
7:27 pm
Scout 7:19
Take a look back thru sometime and note the number of times you bring up foxholes, Secret Service, Air Marshal, whatever – when it has absolutely no bearing on the topic at hand, unless it’s a subtopic you’ve generated.
Might be worth considering.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
7:27 pm
“But by and large, it’s about the ideas. Which is why I’ve never, as far as I can recall, discussed my careers, education, income or any other personal data. About the only thing I’ve shared is regarding my family.”
“Ideas” are fine ………… everyone has one or an opinion.
If one wants to opine whether or not we should be in Afghanistan ………. that’s one thing. But if one want’s to opine on how we should physically fight the war once we are there ……… without the requisite experience …………….. that doesn’t cut it with me.
Opine all you want about the game of football ……….. but don’t diss the quarterback about his “arm” if you’ve never thrown a ball ………………….
)
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 11th, 2012
7:28 pm
Paul, I’m glad scout and other vets are on here to share their perspective
Orange 12
June 11th, 2012
7:28 pm
Yowsuh! Looks like we’re getting back into the $2 range…think Obama can keep it there until November…
No. I think he’s going to run out of pixie dust.
Don't Forget
June 11th, 2012
7:29 pm
I’m still waiting to see who shakes out as the one-and-only, true, really real REPUBLICAN.
Ah yes, the platonic form of republican.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
7:29 pm
Paul:
There you go again ………… you mean “fighting hole” !
P.S. You stated last week I said something particular about the USSS and I challenged you to show me that quote. Unless you can ……………… buzz off.
"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010
June 11th, 2012
7:29 pm
The haters can spew their filth on the internet about me or my call-sign or whatever….. Thank goodness for youtube and other sites so all of us can see for ourselves what someone said, how they said it and under what circumstances they said it.
In Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea and other Marxist regimes I would already be tortured and murdered for what I’ve said in this blog today.
I ain’t sceered of dem ninja Obamao weaklings….
David Axelrod couldn’t wipe my feet with oil unless his fat a$$ had a stroke as a result…
Obama couldn’t do 20 push ups…. LOSER !!
Truth and video crush The Spin Crap !!!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
7:30 pm
TaxPayer @ 7:25
Good !
They BOTH suck
June 11th, 2012
7:30 pm
“But if one want’s to opine on how we should physically fight the war once we are there ……… without the requisite experience …………….. that doesn’t cut it with me.”
Are we fighting in Afghanistan the same way we fought in Vietnam in regards to tactics, strategy, weapons, terrain, etc?
I don’t know so I am asking
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
7:30 pm
Castro’s daughter supports Obama !!
JamVet
June 11th, 2012
7:31 pm
Sometimes the more informed and intelligent of the non-Republicans posits a theme along the lines of “Reagan would be not even be welcome in today’s GOP”.
Then one of the more lucid and HONEST members therein says that very thing.
And the diehard neocons go crazy and spit up silly non-refutations and sloganesque Republispeak.
Now, after his observation by one of their royal family, they get to wear even more egg on their dishonest faces!
LOL at their collective lack of integrity…
josef
June 11th, 2012
7:31 pm
GMARE
Oh, yeah, before we forget. When Jay goes on vacation, don’t mess with Paul…he’ll shut us down!
barking frog
June 11th, 2012
7:31 pm
Scout
how about some Secret
Service stories like what
do you call a group of
hookers?
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 11th, 2012
7:31 pm
Jay
I think you might as well ad a drudge ticker to your blog so we can figure out what the next topic will be
Don't Forget
June 11th, 2012
7:32 pm
But if one want’s to opine on how we should physically fight the war once we are there ……… without the requisite experience …………….. that doesn’t cut it with me.
So, I guess that means that Cheney and Rumsfeld didn’t cut it. I agree. Good thing they had Bush’s National Guard experience to guide them.
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 11th, 2012
7:32 pm
Add
Jay
June 11th, 2012
7:32 pm
“….Zerobama and his anti oil company energy policies.
U.S. domestic crude production
2008: 4,950,000 barrels a day
2011: 5,675,000 barrels a day
Mighty Righty, your record is close to perfect.
Paul
June 11th, 2012
7:33 pm
Oh, and Scout, you’ve repeatedly made the same mistake. You’ve assumed those who, as you put it, “opine about law enforcement, or security or issues involving war/combat …………. without any of those life experiences ……” do not have first-hand experience or knowledge about the areas they’re addressing.
The fact they disagree wholeheartedly with your opinions, especially considering the grade levels at which you’ve indicated you’ve spent your career, is something you just can’t seem to accept.
For instance, we could have a General Clark or a General McPeak show up here, never once indicating their background, being completely dismissive of the ’special expertise and insight” your careers have provided by giving real, fact-based arguments, and your only fallback would to be to quote to them how sweet things are for people who never served.
So maybe try a bit more fact-based, sourced arguments without reliance on the standard mantras and see if you can make your points.
Soothsayer
June 11th, 2012
7:34 pm
“as having an orthodoxy that doesn’t allow for disagreement”
Living, as we do, in Georgia, it’s almost impossible to express you feelings. Any discussion with a Fright-Winger causes them to fly into an uncontrollable rage.
“This nation needs a sane, rational and conservative Republican Party.”
No, they don’t. They need to double down on crazy and ensure their relegation to historical obscurity.
They BOTH suck
June 11th, 2012
7:34 pm
“Castro’s daughter supports Obama !”
I guess Democrats are finally making progress with the Cuban vote which as been steadfast majority Republican for years.
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 11th, 2012
7:34 pm
“real republican”
Mythological creature
kayaker 71
June 11th, 2012
7:35 pm
Paul, 7:23,
I will assume by that verbose answer that you posted that the answer is no. Only an assumption. You complain about Scout’s contribution to the military and his career as grandstanding. Scout would probably call you a REMF if he had half a chance. Until you have lead a night patrol on point in the jungle , in the middle of a monsoon rain with bad guys waiting to blow your balls off, you have no right to criticize anything that Scout says. We all have a past and demons to deal with, some easier than others. Scout deals with his, I deal with mine and you must deal with yours but what he says is his own spin, and I for one, appreciate what he did for this country in his career. We are fortunate to have Scouts around.
They BOTH suck
June 11th, 2012
7:36 pm
Paul
Guess we need to fire most sports commentators, news anchors and opinion guys on tv and radio, majority of reporters, etc, etc.
Jm-pass Tsplost unless you really love congestion
June 11th, 2012
7:36 pm
GOP is big tent
There is lots of diversity
And therefore no such thing as a “real republican”.
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June 11th, 2012
7:37 pm
They BOTH suck:
Not trying to embarrass you but ………. jungle/rice paddies are different from mountainous desert.
That said – not really. Vietnam was a political war. Afghanistan (although our leadership including Bush won’t say it) is a religious war ……….. radical Islam.
Most people think Vietnam was a war with the Viet Cong. Nothing could be farther from the truth. 85% of that war (and the resulting casualties) involved conflict with the North Vietnamese Army ………….. conventional warfare ……… unit vs. unit.
Remember, U.S. troops were gone by the spring of 1972 (except for a few advisors). South Vietnam held their own for 3 years. In the spring of 1975 the North Vietnamese attacked through the DMA and the Central Highlands with dozens of infantry/armored divisions ………… again a conventional war.
Hope that helps.
Paul
June 11th, 2012
7:37 pm
Scout
“If one wants to opine whether or not we should be in Afghanistan ………. that’s one thing. But if one want’s to opine on how we should physically fight the war once we are there ……… without the requisite experience …………….. that doesn’t cut it with me.”
Remember what I wrote about your views being influenced by the level of responsibility you had? With that paragraph you’ve completely dismissed the Office of Secretary of Defense, many operational head in the CIA and most of the National Security Council and their staff.
Which is why I said, it gets embarrassing to read.
barking frog
June 11th, 2012
7:37 pm
Jm=
un-real republican
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
7:39 pm
barking frog:
”
“The Secret Service scandal was discovered when a
disagreement on how much a
prostitute wanted for her services came to light. She
wanted $800.00. The
Secret Service Agent offered $30.00.
How ironic is it that the only person in Washington willing
to cut spending
gets fired?”
author unknown
Paul
June 11th, 2012
7:39 pm
Scout
“You stated last week I said something particular about the USSS and I challenged you to show me that quote. Unless you can ……………… buzz off.”
Your memory’s going to have to do better than that if you want a response.