Jeb: Reagan, Bush Sr. ‘would have hard time’ in new GOP
“Former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida said his father, George Bush, and Ronald Reagan would find themselves out of step with today’s Republican Party because of its strict adherence to ideology and the intensity of modern partisan warfare.
“Ronald Reagan would have, based on his record of finding accommodation, finding some degree of common ground, similar to my dad, they would have had a hard time if you define the Republican Party — and I don’t — as having an orthodoxy that doesn’t allow for disagreement,” Mr. Bush said at a question-and-answer session with reporters and editors held Monday morning in Manhattan by Bloomberg View.
“Back to my dad’s time or Ronald Reagan’s time,” he said, “they got a lot of stuff done with a lot of bipartisan support that right now would be difficult to imagine happening.”
I think that’s notable for several reasons. It helps to explain why Bush, like Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie and other more pragmatic Republicans, declined to run for president this cycle even though, as Jeb said last week, “This was probably my time.” They were unwilling to claim to believe the nonsense that is required to win the nomination in this day and age, and abandoned the field to the far-more-malleable and opportunistic Mitt Romney.
Jeb’s more honest appraisal of his party is a welcome if belated effort to pull it back from the brink and force it to become more responsible. As the former Florida governor noted last week:
“Here’s what I know to be true. Next year or the year after there’s going to have to be a grand bargain. We are on an unsustainable course. It is not possible to continue to do what we are going — what we’re doing today. It’s just not possible. And I think most people that have looked at our structural deficit problems would admit it. If they were put on a lie detector or, you know, under oath or something like that, they would admit it.”
Asked about comments to Congress that he would be willing to take a hypothetical $10 in budget cuts for every $1 in higher revenue, Bush said his willingness to take that deal shows that he is no longer seeking office as a Republican.
“It was living proof I’m not running for anything I think more than anything else,” Bush said.
I’ve said it before repeatedly: This nation needs a sane, rational and conservative Republican Party, and those adjectives — “sane, rational and conservative”– should not be and need not be contradictory, as they have become in recent years.
I agree with Jeb about the necessity of a grand bargain on the nation’s financial future. But I very much worry that Republican leadership and the Republican media machine have succeeded so well in drilling the “no new taxes” mantra into the head of their base that they no longer have any room in which to manuever and negotiate.
Given his statements in recent days, I suspect that Jeb Bush has had similar thoughts.
– Jay Bookman
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Butch Cassidy
June 11th, 2012
4:19 pm
Thulsa Doom – “Why would they hire people that they don’t need?”
Exactly. So how does electing one candidate over another suddenly create the need to hire? If the demand isn’t there, then the companies hiring remains static. Nothing either candidate can do to change that.
Don't Tread
June 11th, 2012
4:19 pm
“Unfortunately, they aren’t bothering to do much hiring.”
No one is obligated to provide you with a job. If you want one, go demonstrate that you would actually be a net benefit, or start your own company.
Adam
June 11th, 2012
4:19 pm
Ben Shockley: “It is also a term used to avoid the concept of a collective society, which WE ARE, whether you like it or not.”
Ummmm, that is contrary to The Constitution, whether you like it or not.
Actually, whether you like it or not, the COntitution is what sets us up as a collective society. And by that I do not mean a socialist republic, as you are apprently taking it in your black and white worldview. No, we are a collective AND an individual society, and the founding fathers worked tirelessly to create documents that found our country on the basis of a balance between the two. Again, whether you like it or not.
carlosgvv
June 11th, 2012
4:20 pm
joseph
see my 2:50 post
Butch Cassidy
June 11th, 2012
4:22 pm
Adam – “No, we are a collective AND an individual society”
Is that similiar to Capt. Piccard referring to himself in the 1st person as “Locutus of Borg” while still being a member of the collective and hence part of the hive mind?
josef
June 11th, 2012
4:22 pm
POGO
On a roll, you say…hope it’s not this one…
A corpulent maiden named Kroll
Had a notion exceedingly droll
At a masquerade ball
Dressed in nothing at all
She backed in as a Parker House roll
Jay
June 11th, 2012
4:23 pm
“Ummmm, that is contrary to The Constitution, whether you like it or not.”
Is that the document that begins “We, the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union….”?
Adam
June 11th, 2012
4:23 pm
Butch: Not quite. He may have referred to himself as an individual but he clearly was not
Paul
June 11th, 2012
4:25 pm
josef
Yes, it it. Ties in with our earlier exchange – it’s very interesting how peoples’ perspectives and judgments change as they get older and begin thinking about what’s really important in their lives.
Sadly, of course, some will never want to allow them to progress to that level, preferring instead they always be judged by events from decades earlier.
Butch Cassidy
June 11th, 2012
4:25 pm
Jay – “Is that the document that begins “We, the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union….”?”
Apparently Ben has access to the original version that went like this: ” It’s everyman for himself, so out of the way F$%#$RS!!!!!
josef
June 11th, 2012
4:25 pm
IMAM
“Exactly. Maybe we should introduce them.”
In the Rose Garden for beers? Or maybe over a bottle of Argentine Merlot in the Whole Foods parking lot?
Paul
June 11th, 2012
4:25 pm
josef
make that ‘how SOME peoples’ perspectives change”
Some never seem to change and oddly, hold that as a virtue.
Oblama
June 11th, 2012
4:26 pm
Josef – I don’t agree with you all the time obviously but I at least know where you are coming from. I don’t hate people just because they disagree with me. I have friends that disagree with me. A fence sitter doesn’t need to be criticizing either side.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 11th, 2012
4:26 pm
“We, the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union….”
ZOMG — SOCIALISM!
Jay
June 11th, 2012
4:29 pm
Pogo, the right-wing blogosphere doesn’t seem to have much doubt about what Jeb meant. They don’t like it, but they pretty much agree on what he meant:
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/06/11/jeb-bush-reagan-would-have-a-hard-time-in-todays-dysfunctional-gop/
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/06/11/jeb-bush-parrots-lefts-talking-point-no-place-for-ronald-reagan-in-todays-gop/
http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2012/06/jeb-bush-making-me-crazy.html
http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2012/06/memo-to-jeb-bush-just-stfu-please.html
Williebkind
June 11th, 2012
4:29 pm
josef
June 11th, 2012
4:15 pm
You are full of it! All that can be achieved is an “A”. Been there done that! You want exceptions to the rule. Lets go for it!
Steve
June 11th, 2012
4:29 pm
Ok – so you people say we’re NOT in a recession so we can do the austerity thing, now…then in another breath you wail about the 8% unemployment rate and how bad Obama has bungled the economy…but you still want austerity now…
WTF?!
Brosephus™
June 11th, 2012
4:29 pm
Apparently Ben has access to the original version that went like this: ” It’s everyman for himself, so out of the way F$%#$RS!!!!!
That’s gotta be the second funniest post today. The only one that beats that one is the goalpost relay with yourself……
GT
June 11th, 2012
4:30 pm
Oblama you beg the question of how do you know so much about the KKK? These people can’t adopt a highway in Alabama? We’ve got Tenn., North Carolina and South Caorlina less than 100 miles from this Klan monument, but for this task we are trucking in the hoods from Alabama. Go figure. Those Republicans never were too sharp at logistics.
Jack
June 11th, 2012
4:30 pm
Jeb doesn’t want to run against an Obama.
Jay
June 11th, 2012
4:30 pm
Either would do, Josef. I just want to be able to watch.
From a safe distance.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 11th, 2012
4:31 pm
She backed in as a Parker House roll
Sounds more like hot cross buns.
josef
June 11th, 2012
4:31 pm
PAUL
True. I’ve been having, oh, I guess you could call it an “epiphany,” in the flurry of e-mails for the 40th Class Reunion…talk about some of the “evolutions!” One of those I remember as being, well, not exactly to most open-minded on matters of race equality, sends a great snapshot of his family. His better half is, uh, shall we say, melanin enhanced and their three kids and the grandkids? Well, if that’s the direction we’re headed…? A great day for Mississippi and America…
Brosephus™
June 11th, 2012
4:32 pm
Jay
You definitely don’t want Pogo to read the comments here…
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2894062/posts
josef
June 11th, 2012
4:34 pm
IMAM
Yeah, me, too a REAL safe distance!
That Black Guy
June 11th, 2012
4:34 pm
Normal Free…Pro Human Rights Thug…And liking it!
June 11th, 2012
3:18 pm
Redneck,
If the Republicans do win it all in November, the time machine will have started and we will be back in the past with no future…
_________________________________
If you use a time machine to go back to a past that has no future, how are you able to use the time machine? You would not exist.
That’s kinda like going back in the past to kill yourself.
scrappy
June 11th, 2012
4:34 pm
“And I think most people that have looked at our structural deficit problems would admit it. If they were put on a lie detector or, you know, under oath or something like that, they would admit it.”
Most people yes, the ya-whos that are in Congress currently – probably not.
I used to think that the people in Congress actually knew a little of what they were doing, and that no matter what stupid talking points they throw out on Sunday morning shows, when it came down to it, they would make the right choice for country.
Now, I don’t think so. This could be said of either party, but the GOP has a particularly bad and infectious case, with no hope of a cure soon.
If Romeny were to get elected, I do believe he does know this difference between talking points and action, I just don’t think he will have the b*llz to stand up to his party & do it.
Paul
June 11th, 2012
4:37 pm
josef
For lots of people of that generation, it wasn’t all that long from high school graduation to marriage. That woman must’ve just blown him clear off his feet.
And yes, it IS great, isn’t it?
Thulsa Doom
June 11th, 2012
4:38 pm
Butch Cassidy,
I was expecting a good snappy one liner from you. You always seem to hit me with some good one liners- often at my expense but usually hilarious nonetheless. FYI I’m going to get my series 7 again and add fee only money management since a lot of old folks and several of my clients seem to have built up assets. In the past I looked at it but there were too many fee only firms that had minimums of 250k to 500k and at the least 100k. A good friend who has been doing it for a long time introduced me to some really good firms that recently have partnered with with some advisers to offer minimums as low as 25k so now fee only asset management is being opened up to the middle class. That’s a pretty big move imo opening up pro money management to middle class folks.
GT
June 11th, 2012
4:39 pm
Oblama if a fence sitter does criticize a side, doesn’t that make him no longer a fence sitter ( unless he is from Ala. then he is a fence jumper).
Seems like those Alabama KKK would be busy chasing down those Mexican illegals…
josef
June 11th, 2012
4:39 pm
WILLIE
Like I said, I can only speak from what ours turned out to be. Proud as a couple of peac*cks of all three. Happy, healthy, well-adjusted and productive members of society. Oldest boy, career military, tours in Bosnia, Shock and Awe, Afghanistan, married with two great kids. Youngest boy, still got the first dime he ever made, doesn’t owe a nickle to anybody, and got a woman who appreciates what’s she’s got, no kids yet. L’il Princess? Decided not to go to the Ivy Leagues so she could be a stay at home wife and mommy to her two boys.
Ask THEM about being raised by a same sex couple…
They BOTH suck
June 11th, 2012
4:40 pm
Scout
Shucks
Not looking good, but I’m sure the good Sheriff of Maricopa Country AZ will keep us abreast of any new findings
http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/supremes-refuse-to-hear-birth-certificate-challenge/?cat_orig=us
Mighty Righty
June 11th, 2012
4:42 pm
Who Cares whether Jeb Bush agrees with todays Republicans. I am as much of an “expert” as he is and I think he is a good representive of his family and not much else. My opinion is that Obama would have been jailed by our “FOUNDERS”. Adams. Jefferson, Franklin, Washington and the rest did not compromise with the British, they went to war against them!
They BOTH suck
June 11th, 2012
4:43 pm
josef
Maybe willibkind’s raising of of kids were the parents were gay didn’t work out so well. We can only hope that however it turned out that things get turned for the better.
They BOTH suck
June 11th, 2012
4:45 pm
My opinion is that Obama would have been jailed by our “FOUNDERS”
What laws did he break?
Peter
June 11th, 2012
4:46 pm
Mighty Righty . well of course3 cause he is BLACK period.. All men Created equal and such……The great lie !
Jay
June 11th, 2012
4:46 pm
My opinion is that Obama would have been jailed by our “FOUNDERS”. Adams. Jefferson, Franklin, Washington and the rest …. !
No, not jailed. Set to picking tobacco more likely.
On a more serious note, the British were our enemies, Mighty. Do you perceive fellow Americans who disagree with you politically as your enemies?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 11th, 2012
4:47 pm
Ask THEM about being raised by a same sex couple…
I think it’s not so much about the same sex couple per se as it is about what happens when man and dogs/goats/mules/whatever farm animal gets married. Who will stay home and raise the kids?
Paul
June 11th, 2012
4:49 pm
josef
If you don’t mind, I’m gonna save and print that 4:39 and when occasion presents itself in some social, church and other settings… I plan on reading it.
Jm
June 11th, 2012
4:49 pm
What is a Navy drone doing in MD
Obama is bad
Thulsa Doom
June 11th, 2012
4:49 pm
“No, not jailed. Set to picking tobacco more likely.”- Jay
I dunno. I’m betting it woulda more likely been cotton.
Peter
June 11th, 2012
4:49 pm
willibkind is just homo phobic that’s all….. no big deal.
That Black Guy
June 11th, 2012
4:50 pm
Adam
June 11th, 2012
3:36 pm
The far left has zero interest in being moderate,
Wouldn’t that statement be just as accurate?
I agree with both.
Yes, but the far left is far from having even a remote controlling interest in the current Democratic Party, in contrast with the far right and the current GOP.
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Adam, would “Yeah, you’re right, the EXTREMES in EITHER party have zero interest in being moderate” be too much for you to say. Why is it that you MUST be right, even if you have to change the initial statement to do so?
Come on Adam, even if you don’t see it, we agree on more than we disagree. The diff, I see and acknowledge BOTH sides as being the problem.
I didn’t say equally because it varies depending on topic.
josef
June 11th, 2012
4:50 pm
PAUL
Another one that caught my eye was from one of the classmates that I never really knew that well. She told us about her work in her (Baptist) church, and then without breaking stride, about her son (NAME) and his partner (NAME, decidedly a male one!) and how proud she was of how well he had done, just the same as if she had said “he and his wife are living in Mobile and…” and then the daughter and her husband “who are….”
Jm
June 11th, 2012
4:52 pm
“Set to picking tobacco more likely.”
Not funny
That Black Guy
June 11th, 2012
4:54 pm
Adam
June 11th, 2012
3:36 pm
The far left has zero interest in being moderate,
Wouldn’t that statement be just as accurate?
I agree with both.
Yes, but the far left is far from having even a remote controlling interest in the current Democratic Party, in contrast with the far right and the current GOP.
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Also, you don’t DWS is in any way extreme?
How about Nancy P? Harry Reid? Maxine, Carole MB? Garjuvila (The guy from NM)?
There are people in positions of power that hold extreme views on BOTH sides.
josef
June 11th, 2012
4:54 pm
BOTH
Can only judge from our own experience…
PAUL
My honor
JAY
I doubt it…we know who, at least on Mama’s side, he would have been back then…
But picking tobacco? I doubt it. He would probably have been serving dinner in the Big House…
TaxPayer
June 11th, 2012
4:55 pm
What’s the difference between the far right and the Republican party? One. Maybe two.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 11th, 2012
4:56 pm
jm — “What is a Navy drone doing in MD”
Aberdeen Proving Ground?
Army Research Lab?
Indian Head Naval Surface Weapons Center?
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River?
Or any of a passel of other possible places where they could have been working on something like that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_installations_in_Maryland
zeke
June 11th, 2012
4:56 pm
remember what former senator simpson said recently and i am paraphrasing….someone who cannot compromise has a rock for a brain
TaxPayer
June 11th, 2012
4:57 pm
“Set to picking tobacco more likely.”
Not funny
Just factual.
They BOTH suck
June 11th, 2012
4:58 pm
josef
“Can only judge from our own experience”
True. I know you were conveying what you know. My whole point is that he doesn’t know about your experience and maybe not any exposure at in that regard. I could be 100% incorrect with that assumption, but if I am not, he is just spouting what he read or heard. It fit the narrative, so he ran with it.
In a “perfect world” he may have a point, but since it hasn’t ever been “perfect”……………..
Normal Free, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 11th, 2012
4:59 pm
I get home from a hard Monday, complete with gloomy rain, and very tired… and what do I find in my mail box? A request for a donation from Mitt Romney. God, this made me very happy! I walked in the house, looked at the return envelope and saw that it was no postage required…which made me even happier. I grabbed my Sharpie and wrote across the face of the donation portion…”Not only no!! But hell no!!!”…which I stuffed in the envelope and returned it to the mailbox. I feel so much better now. What a great Monday this turned out to be!
That Black Guy
June 11th, 2012
5:04 pm
They BOTH suck
June 11th, 2012
3:58 pm
TBG
Good to know that work is going well for you. Some on here claim that a just a threat of taxes will stymie any expansion, so glad your company is defying the odds.
_______________________________________________________
This year alone we acquired one of the largest companies in our industry. We also expanded to about 300,000 customers in the west.
That Black Guy
June 11th, 2012
5:05 pm
Add to my 5:04 we plan to retain about 97% of their current staff with the reduction being in mgmt
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
5:06 pm
“Jeb: Reagan, Bush Sr. ‘would have hard time’ in new GOP”
Maybe so ……………… and because the “left” has never been so left !
Drastic times call for drastic action.
Ooo Rah !
Marines standby to repel boarders !
josef
June 11th, 2012
5:06 pm
BOTH
Willie is one of those, imauo, who cannot deal with a world which does not conform to his little boxes and broad brushes. As you know, we didn’t “choose” to have our kids to raise. It was what fate threw them and us. All things considered, fate was smiling on us. And as they go into raising their own broods, they ARE what a two parent, opposite sex headed household should be.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 11th, 2012
5:07 pm
0311 — “Drastic times call for drastic action. Ooo Rah ! Marines standby to repel boarders !”
The HERPA DERP is strong with this one.
GT
June 11th, 2012
5:09 pm
Why does Romney need any donations? Maybe that is his plan to balance the budget. I am hearing Newt is measuring some of that donation money to pay off his extravagant life style and a new fiddle for the wife all under unpaid campaign expense.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
5:10 pm
“NET WORTH OF AMERICAN FAMILY FALLS 40% IN 3 YEARS”
Thanks Mr. Obama !
Oh, before I forget:
“Obama: ‘If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a ONE-TERM (emphasis added) proposition.’ 2/2/09″
Bob
June 11th, 2012
5:10 pm
So Ben, what is your idea for income taxes? Everyone having to pay a straight $50,000/yr whether you can afford it or not? Of course the 1% should pay a lion share of taxes because they are able to get the lion share of the benefits of our capitalist system. Yes, executives work hard for their money but so do most people. I can’t imagine any CEO working 100 times harder than any soldier or public safety officer but the CEOs get over 100 times the salary.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
5:11 pm
Headline: “Issa: 31 Democrats Will Vote To Condemn Holder”
Fred ™
June 11th, 2012
5:11 pm
Why were you posting on Kyle’s blog Jay? Couldn’t tell enough people HERE how to think?
They BOTH suck
June 11th, 2012
5:11 pm
josef
One more thing on that ’study’ that willi mentioned. I can’t say whether the study is valid or invalid. What I can say is that the study (conducted by a professor at the Unv of Texas) looked at families of all kinds, which of course included gay households.
Without naming them, I have looked at two right leaning sites and they both concentrate on the gay issue. That is all fine an dandy but the study was conducted included single parent homes (straight and gay), “traditional family”, heterosexuals who are not married, etc, etc.
Also included voting patterns, income level, unemployment and numerous other variables.
Strange what is being taken from the study and presented as just a gay vs straight issue.
Fred ™
June 11th, 2012
5:12 pm
Please excuse my presence here, I just wanted to know that. It won’t happen again.
Jay
June 11th, 2012
5:13 pm
A simple mistake, Fred. Thought I had my blog up instead of his.
Why do you ask?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 11th, 2012
5:14 pm
Headline: All Rabbit Holes on Jay Bookman’s blog comes from here — http://www.drudgereport.com/
That Black Guy
June 11th, 2012
5:15 pm
Brosephus™
June 11th, 2012
4:15 pm
TBG
The video is Sportscenter Top 10 countdown of post-game meltdowns. Dennis Green’s “They were who we thought they were!” is #1. Since you brought that up, I’ve looked at it about 10 times just for laughs.
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If the Mora “playoff’s?” melt down in in there, you may have a bookmark winner.
They BOTH suck
June 11th, 2012
5:17 pm
TBG @ 5:04
That is awesome. Hopefully you are taking advantage of the growth and potential opportunities that could present themselves.
Hard work, right place and right time (little luck) and you could be on your way
Luck = preparation and opportunity interesting at the same time
Paul
June 11th, 2012
5:19 pm
Scout
““Obama: ‘If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a ONE-TERM (emphasis added) proposition.’ 2/2/09″”
I can’t for the life of me understand your double standard, holding fast to a very literal meaning of what Pres Obama said, with no allowance for extenuating circumstances, just a dismissive “he said it, he should know better in his position, he lives with it, period”
while you do the exact opposite on behalf of the early leaders of your faith you try to witness for and convert everyone to.
Jay
June 11th, 2012
5:19 pm
Now now, OREP. While that one drives me nuts, we mustn’t namecall….
josef
June 11th, 2012
5:20 pm
BOTH
It’s cherry picking for sure. I get just as skeptical when a gay starts to say we do a “better” job. At the end of the day, it’s pretty much an even draw and that, imauo, is a good thing.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
5:20 pm
Cammie:
And the great majority of the time you would be wrong because the following are on my “favorites list” for review during the day:
ABC
CBS
MSNBC
CNN
USA Today
Washington Post
New York Times
…………….. and a few others.
Unaddressed “rabbit holes” can cost a president the election ………………..
)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 11th, 2012
5:20 pm
The rein in Spain falls mainly on the plane.
Billybob
June 11th, 2012
5:20 pm
paul 3:26
adults should be able to find what obama said at the end of last week in his ‘press conference’ and what axelrod said on the weekend shows…..if you want to ignore those words then fine, i answered your question, you ignore mine by using some elementary excuse……liberalism exposed……again…..
Joe Hussein Mama
June 11th, 2012
5:22 pm
0311 — “Unaddressed “rabbit holes” can cost a president the election”
Not if your name’s Bill Clinton.
Heyoooooooooo!
Billybob
June 11th, 2012
5:22 pm
jaylo’,
claiming the moral authority to not namecall on this blog when many of your posts do exactly that once again shows your liberal hypocrisy and is easy to expose jay…….nice job lib
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
June 11th, 2012
5:22 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 11th, 2012
5:20 pm
The rein in Spain falls mainly on the plane.
They should have toughed out austerity!
Paul
June 11th, 2012
5:22 pm
Billybob
Just can’t give up, making an accusation about what others said, then when questioned for a source and a cite, thinking if you say “adults can find it” it puts you in an adult position and exonerates you?
Hint: it isn’t working.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 11th, 2012
5:23 pm
Billybob — “claiming the moral authority to not namecall”
“nice job lib”
What you did there. I see it.
josef
June 11th, 2012
5:23 pm
IMAM
OREP is under fatwah? Do tell. What name DID he call and WHOM did he call it. This is important information which should not be withheld.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 11th, 2012
5:23 pm
Paul:
Same as “No New Taxes” and I laid it on him thick for saying that one ! It cost him the election. I call ‘em like I see ‘em.
By the way ……… where have you been ?
“Paul:
1) Those who have served (in actual combat) are sometimes a little more intense in their feelings about many subjects. There are many reasons for this ……. don’t have the time now.
I’m sure you have been to football games to cheer on your team ……… and you certainly are intense in your cheering ……… but the guys on the field are just probably a little more so. Just the way it is.
2) “While we want to preach the truth in love, the Bible is often offensive …… ”
I never compared myself to the Lord. I simply quoted what he said about those who follow Him and the fact that non-believers will hate them also. You’ll have to take that up with Him.
3) What should happen to those in the “chain of command” is not for YOU or ME to decide. Those decisions are thankfully made by those who have all the facts and the authority act accordingly ………. under the law.
4) First, please find the quote from me where I said “I was the expert” in USSS matters.
“Administrative aciton” is taken based on the facts involved AND what has been done in the past. In other words, discipline must be consistent. You can’t put the hammer down on someone for political expediency. It is my understanding that some of those involved are going to federal court so that will involve the judicial process as well. It’s really not that difficult to understand.
5) Regarding Former President Clinton, I didn’t think you would answer that one.
I try my best to be consistent. For example, if someone is unfaithful to their spouse (Republican or Democrat) I weigh that with all the other issues and cast my vote. Being unfaithful is not a crime but it should be taken into account as to character. Most often it’s the lesser of two evils.
That said, once that type of activity is brought onto government property with someone under your chain of command ……….. that is BEYOND just unfaithfulness. It “should” get you fired !”
Billybob
June 11th, 2012
5:23 pm
jay,
do you agree with obama claiming the private sector is doing just fine and then not retracting that statement…..will public sector hiring improve the private sector like obama’s top man axelrod claimed this weekend?
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June 11th, 2012
5:24 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
That’s why I said “can” not “will”.
Billybob
June 11th, 2012
5:24 pm
paul,
what you are doing is liberalism 101 and that is what is not working……see november 7th
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June 11th, 2012
5:25 pm
Billybob @ 5:20:
He’s bad about that.
Billybob
June 11th, 2012
5:26 pm
very nice catch joe…..even though jay is a lib, right?
TaxPayer
June 11th, 2012
5:26 pm
Paul,
Scout is worried that Obama will not keep government out of Medicare.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 11th, 2012
5:26 pm
0311 — “That’s why I said “can” not “will”.
I understand. You’re just setting up your double standard ahead of time. Carry on.
Paul
June 11th, 2012
5:27 pm
Scout
why are you pasting from a discussion from last week?
No new taxes? I didn’t realize Pres Bush was one of the early leaders of your faith -
Joe Hussein Mama
June 11th, 2012
5:28 pm
Billybob — “even though jay is a lib, right?”
Define “lib,” then. And be honest. If you mean to use it as a pejorative term, then explain it as such.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
June 11th, 2012
5:29 pm
Lib mantra…raise taxes on others so I don’t feel bad about not being charitable! See Joe “fishooks in my pockets” Biden.
That Black Guy
June 11th, 2012
5:31 pm
Brosephus™
June 11th, 2012
4:29 pm
Apparently Ben has access to the original version that went like this: ” It’s everyman for himself, so out of the way F$%#$RS!!!!!
That’s gotta be the second funniest post today. The only one that beats that one is the goalpost relay with yourself……
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Yeah, BC post was crazy funny. People were looking at me strange when I burst out in a fit.
But BC has to have a sense of humor, he drives a 3 wheeled “bike”.
J/K BC.
Peter
June 11th, 2012
5:34 pm
How silly is this ?
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June 11th, 2012
5:10 pm
“NET WORTH OF AMERICAN FAMILY FALLS 40% IN 3 YEARS”
Thanks Mr. Obama !
You mean thank you GOP and all the Bush debt, including the made up War, and housing crises, and lack of regulation don’t you ?
Brosephus™
June 11th, 2012
5:35 pm
TBG
Mora’s #3 or #4, although they don’t have the full meltdown. I had to go to a separate video link for that one. Herm Edwards’ is in the top 5 too. I think it’s bookmark worthy… I’m up to close to 20 views now.
That Black Guy
June 11th, 2012
5:35 pm
Jay
June 11th, 2012
4:46 pm
My opinion is that Obama would have been jailed by our “FOUNDERS”. Adams. Jefferson, Franklin, Washington and the rest …. !
No, not jailed. Set to picking tobacco more likely. – Or serving them coffee
On a more serious note, the British were our enemies, Mighty. Do you perceive fellow Americans who disagree with you politically as your enemies? – Some politicians do…”And if Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, we’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us, ”
http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+punish+enemies+quote&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&safe=active
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June 11th, 2012
5:36 pm
Peter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM&feature=related
Jay
June 11th, 2012
5:36 pm
do you agree with obama claiming the private sector is doing just fine and then not retracting that statement…..will public sector hiring improve the private sector like obama’s top man axelrod claimed this weekend?
By many gauges the private sector IS doing fine, Billybob. Wall Street bonuses are up. Corporate profits have been at record highs. Average CEO pay up 20 percent. Almost 2 million more private-sector jobs than a year ago.
But contrary to your allegation again — this “fact” thing is a hard concept to get across, apparently — Obama did retract and explain that statement later in the very same day:
“Listen, it is absolutely clear that the economy is not doing fine. That’s the reason I had the press conference. That’s why I spent yesterday, the day before yesterday, this past week, this past month, and this past year talking about how we can make the economy stronger.
The economy is not doing fine. There are too many people out of work. The housing market is still weak and too many homes underwater. And that’s precisely why I asked Congress to start taking some steps that can make a difference.
Now, I think if you look at what I said this morning and what I’ve been saying consistently over the last year, we’ve actually seen some good momentum in the private sector. We’ve seen 4.3 million jobs created — 800,000 this year alone — record corporate profits. And so that has not been the biggest drag on the economy.
The folks who are hurting, where we have problems and where we can do even better, is small businesses that are having a tough time getting financing; we’ve seen teachers and police officers and firefighters who’ve been laid off — all of which, by the way, when they get laid off spend less money buying goods and going to restaurants and contributing to additional economic growth. The construction industry is still very weak, and that’s one of the areas where we’ve still seen job losses instead of job gains…..”
And yes, public sector jobs do drive private-sector expansion. If you don’t believe me, believe the Republican congressmen who are trying to halt cuts in defense spending because they fear it would hurt the economy and cost jobs. Ask Reagan-era officials about the stimulus impact of deficit-funded defense spending.
It’s standard economic theory: When private spending plummets, public spending is often needed to reprime the pump.
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June 11th, 2012
5:36 pm
Joe Hussein Mama;
At ease private, I’ll be in the company area all day.
Paul
June 11th, 2012
5:37 pm
Billybob
When people make a statement like “his top guy saying hiring public sector union people is what will fix the private sector ” then can’t source it and tell someone who asked ‘where’d you get that?” to go google it ’cause an adult could find it”
Well, most people would drop it. Especially when they’ve been off the board for a while, they wouldn’t bring it back up. They’d let it die.
You really should. You’re embarrassing yourself.
(If you need help copying and pasting URLs or text from other websites, just ask. Plenty here would be glad to help you.)