In another crisis, GOP would let economy collapse
” … under questioning from skeptical Republicans, the director of the nonpartisan (and widely respected) Congressional Budget Office was emphatic about the value of the 2009 stimulus. And, he said, the vast majority of economists agree.
In a survey conducted by the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, 80 percent of economic experts agreed that, because of the stimulus, the U.S. unemployment rate was lower at the end of 2010 than it would have been otherwise.
“Only 4 percent disagreed or strongly disagreed,” CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf told the House Budget Committee. “That,” he added, “is a distinct minority.”
Elmendorf’s testimony came in response to questions from Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.), a member of the tea party caucus. Huelskamp asserted that the stimulus was a failure because it did not keep the jobless rate below 8 percent, as the Obama administration predicted.
“Where did Washington mess up?” Huelskamp demanded. “Because you’re saying most economists think it should’ve worked. It didn’t.”
Most economists not only think it should have worked; they think it did work, Elmendorf replied. CBO’s own analysis found that the package added as many as 3.3 million jobs to the economy during the second quarter of 2010, and may have prevented the nation from lapsing back into recession.”
Most Republicans cannot bring themselves to admit it, but by any definition the Obama stimulus worked, pulling the economy out of a death spiral that probably would have resulted in a far-worse economic crisis. It’s also pretty damn clear that if similar circumstances should arise again, this Congress would refuse to act as it did three years ago. To the contrary, they would sit back and applaud as it all comes tumbling down around our ears.
Today’s conservative congressional majority also bitterly opposes TARP, which to his credit was pushed by President Bush out of fear that “this sucker could go down.” Despite Bush’s strong support and the insistence of economists across the ideological spectrum, a majority of House Republicans voted against its passage in the crisis of 2008. And of course, today’s GOP caucus is far more conservative than it was four years ago.
In the Senate, 16 of the 30 Republicans who voted in favor of TARP in 2008 will have left either the Senate or the party by the end of this year, many because they no longer are acceptable to the GOP base. That’s a remarkable amount of turnover in a short period of time. Again, most of those 16 have been replaced by far more conservative candidates who would not dare to support passage of TARP-like legislation should the need arise again.
And again, without TARP the entire global financial sector would have imploded upon itself, creating an economic calamity that would make our current problems seem mild.
The same is true of the auto-industry rescue. The current Congress would never have supported its passage. And while Mitt Romney implausibly seeks to take credit for the rebound of the auto industry, it is absolutely clear that under the terms that he insisted upon, the rescue plan could not have happened.
In other words, every major governmental intervention that succeeded in pulling the economy back from the brink in the crisis of 2008-09 would be rejected by those now in control of the U.S. House; passage in the Senate would be much more difficult as well. If we were to face another such challenge — touched off by a crisis in Europe, perhaps, or a major blow-up in the oil-rich Middle East — they would be quite content to stand by and “let this sucker go down.”
Some, I fear, might even take a perverse Puritan-like pleasure in seeing it happen.
– Jay Bookman
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stands for decibels
June 7th, 2012
9:00 am
Some, I fear, might even take a perverse Puritan-like pleasure in seeing it happen.
I fear it’s more than just some.
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
9:03 am
hey look, Jay’s dusting off good ol’ “Create or Save”…look for it soon on a bumper near you.
ByteMe - Political thug
June 7th, 2012
9:08 am
Most Republicans cannot bring themselves to admit it, but by any definition the Obama stimulus worked,
If you use the definition “causes Obama to be a one-term president” — as Republicans do — then the stimulus was an abject failure.
josef
June 7th, 2012
9:09 am
On topic comments…
See below, just about any day, wash, rinse, repeat…
Thomas Heyward Jr.
June 7th, 2012
9:09 am
Krugman-esque.
kayaker 71
June 7th, 2012
9:10 am
“Pulled the economy back from a death spiral”…… What a ridiculous statement. It did nothing of the kind.
stands for decibels
June 7th, 2012
9:12 am
Jay’s piece dovetails nicely with an incredibly depressing Ezra Klein WaPo bit from Monday, wherein Ezra says there’s a chance Romney would be the preferred choice for the economy, ONLY because if he isn’t elected, we know for certain that House and Senate republicans will conspire to destroy the economy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-keynesian-case-for-romney/2012/06/04/gJQAIETuDV_blog.html
I just put it out there for additional information’s sake, not saying I agree. (Actually, I hope I’m never quite that cynical that I *would* agree.)
Mid Ga Retiree
June 7th, 2012
9:12 am
Perhaps, sir, that our current Congress is more opposed to how we got into that situation, reckless spending (by both parties), increased levels of governmental control over our lives, government giveaways and needless war. Perhaps, sir, our current Congress realizes that drastic cutbacks are needed in order to ensure that our future generations won’t be totally dependent on government. Perhaps……….
Soothsayer
June 7th, 2012
9:14 am
Ninety-nine trailers or people living in their cars for every one McMansion. Now that’s why I call America home!
ByteMe - Political thug
June 7th, 2012
9:14 am
“Pulled the economy back from a death spiral”…… What a ridiculous statement. It did nothing of the kind.
Of course it did… unless you reside in Rightwingnutistan. Over there, it was an abject failure.
Stonethrower
June 7th, 2012
9:15 am
Never mind the economy, I just found out a same sex marriage ceremony was conducted at Fort Polk in La. My congressman (KS) is outraged and has called for an investigation!
larry
June 7th, 2012
9:15 am
But i wonder, if they would let it all collapse if there were a Republican in the white house ? People also seem to forget the payroll tax cut that was in the stimulus. That alone increased the take home pay for 95% of the people on average over $9 a week.
What kinda of stimulus plan would the Republicans put forth?
ByteMe - Political thug
June 7th, 2012
9:15 am
My congressman (KS) is outraged and has called for an investigation!
He wants to know why he wasn’t invited?
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
9:16 am
kayaker 71 – “What a ridiculous statement. It did nothing of the kind.”
Really? You want to know how you can tell that it worked? The fact that you are still able to get money from your ATM. That’s about as simple an indicator as I can give you.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
9:16 am
“In another crisis, GOP would let economy collapse”–JAY BOOKMAN
More Hateful, divisive rhetoric from Left-wing extremist political soldier, Comrade Bookman.
Mighty Righty
June 7th, 2012
9:16 am
This site is full of liberal bloggers including chairman Jay; do anyone of you know a songle person who is employed today in a job created by the “stimulous”?
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
9:16 am
I’m fine w/ the auto industry bail out but not the bank bailouts, especially how big banks have continued to act since the bailout.
jm-pass TSPLOST unless you looove congestion
June 7th, 2012
9:17 am
RE topic: bull honkey
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
9:17 am
“pulling the economy out of a death spiral that probably would have resulted in a far-worse economic crisis.”
“probably”? Jay, you’re water carrying skills are slipping.
ByteMe - Political thug
June 7th, 2012
9:18 am
But i wonder, if they would let it all collapse if there were a Republican in the white house ?
That was how Hoover handled it. Worked brilliantly, right?
People also seem to forget the payroll tax cut that was in the stimulus.
No, it wasn’t. The stimulus was voted on in March/April 2009. The payroll tax cut was part of a deal forged in November/December 2010 to extend unemployment benefits and the expiring Bush tax cuts.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
9:18 am
What a ridiculous statement. It did nothing of the kind.
I wouldn’t take any perverse pleasure from it, but a 1930s era depression is the only cure for the kind of denial shown in the above statement.
It was only because of the depression that we saw the implementation of Glass-Steagall.
Common Sense
June 7th, 2012
9:18 am
“In the Senate, 16 of the 30 Republicans who voted in favor of TARP in 2008 will have left either the Senate or the party by the end of this year, many because they no longer are acceptable to the GOP base”.
And good riddence to them. They were part of the problem to begin with. Trying to patech a problep you created with TARP is not a sign of good leadership.
larry
June 7th, 2012
9:18 am
do anyone of you know a songle person who is employed today in a job created by the “stimulous”?
Actually , i do.
songle? stimulous ? whoa!
ByteMe - Political thug
June 7th, 2012
9:19 am
“pulling the economy out of a death spiral that probably would have resulted in a far-worse economic crisis.”
“probably”?Jay, you’re water carrying skills are slipping.
Yeah, you should purge “probably”. Ecnomists are very certain that the crisis was real and bigger than they ever imagined at the time.
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
9:21 am
Mighty Righty – “do anyone of you know a songle person who is employed today in a job created by the “stimulous”?”
Just a couple of construction guys I’ve spoken to that are working on a new Fire Station being built. The funds came from the ARRA, which was part of the stimulus. And as I recall, the 575 in Georgia was re-done using ARRA dollars as well. Perhaps you think that such construction projects are done by gnomes and faries?
larry
June 7th, 2012
9:23 am
Yes, Byte me, there were tax cuts in the stimulus……
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/28/barack-obama/tax-cut-95-percent-stimulus-made-it-so/
ByteMe - Political thug
June 7th, 2012
9:23 am
Perhaps you think that such construction projects are done by gnomes and faries?
MARTA comes from taxes. Roads come from gnomes and fairies.
kelly
June 7th, 2012
9:24 am
The 8% unemployment rate predicted was a forecast, not a promise. And the President never said it. All the fact-checkers agree. Check it.
rightwingextreme
June 7th, 2012
9:24 am
Jay, great job on cherry picking the info… you selected the high end of the CBO report. Here is the full story on the ESTIMATED number of jobs created by the stimulus. I would venture to add that even these numbers are overinflated. How many of those jobs are still there would be the real question.
The CBO report provided a broad range of the estimated number of full-time jobs created because of the stimulus — from a low of 500,000 to a high of 3.3 million jobs.
Previous estimates indicated that the stimulus funded more than 400,000 full-time jobs in the third quarter, but the CBO said in its report that the figure was not a “comprehensive” look at the law’s impact.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68965.html#ixzz1×75hDwrW
ByteMe - Political thug
June 7th, 2012
9:24 am
Yes, Byte me, there were tax cuts in the stimulus……
I didn’t say there weren’t. About half of the stimulus was tax cuts.
I said the “payroll tax cut” wasn’t. Because it wasn’t.
carlosgvv
June 7th, 2012
9:25 am
Republicans have made it clear their only duty is to protect Big Business. They make no effort to hide this from their electorate. This shows their supporters come from the lowest common base of American voters. Unfortunately, this base is rapidly becoming the majority. America is becoming a third world country faster than you can say George W. Bush.
jm-pass TSPLOST unless you looove congestion
June 7th, 2012
9:25 am
When did Jay become the vote counting Majority Whip on theoretical non-existent legislation?
Paulo977
June 7th, 2012
9:26 am
kayaker 71
June 7th, 2012
9:10 am
“Pulled the economy back from a death spiral”…… What a ridiculous statement. It did nothing of the kind.
________________________________
This ignorance is why some people vote against their own intersts!!!!!!
ByteMe - Political thug
June 7th, 2012
9:26 am
The 8% unemployment rate predicted was a forecast
So was the “this shouldn’t get worse than about 10% unemployment”, which was what Obama was told by his economists before they found out the extent that the banks had screwed up and hidden the truth from everyone. If you think the upside is only 10%, getting it back to 8 is pretty easy in four years.
Jay
June 7th, 2012
9:27 am
Two points, extreme:
First, I didn’t use the number, Elmendorf did.
Second, what part of “as many as 3.3 million jobs” don’t you understand? He himself publicly acknowledged that was the high-end estimate. So what’s your point?
jm
June 7th, 2012
9:28 am
“The 8% unemployment rate predicted was a forecast”
What do you think Jay’s column is? Heck, its not even a forecast, its pure speculation.
jms
June 7th, 2012
9:28 am
That’s idiotic. No one wants to see the economy sink. Our jobs and investments are tied to it.
Mighty Righty
June 7th, 2012
9:29 am
Butch Cassidy
Are you trying to tell me that here three years later they are finally using money to build a fire station? Please note I said employed “today” not “was”. I know a “few” jobs were created at the time the stimulous was spent. My question is how many “today” are still working. The claim that more than three million jobs were created is wishful thinking.
Ivan
June 7th, 2012
9:29 am
“And again, without TARP the entire global financial sector would have imploded upon itself, creating an economic calamity that would make our current problems seem mild.
The same is true of the auto-industry rescue.”
How much are the magic crystal balls nowadays? The ENTIRE GLOBAL Economy would esplode!!? Holy Crap!!
It’s ironic that just a few days ago, Jay, you’re writing about how ticked you are that bailed out banks gave CEOs record pensions and severances, but now in this piece, it was a needed bailout, OR THE ENTIRE WORLD WOULD CEASE TO EXIST. lol.
The bailouts happened before and it will continue to happen, until taxpayers finally put the congress together that will tell the banks, and any industry, they are not too big to fail. They can fail just like anyone else’s business. They should not be able to run their company into the ground, and hang the taxpayer out to dry, and then make record profits, pocketing record pensions. No one should be that powerful.
But hey, we’ll bail them out again, one day. Wouldn’t want the sun to not come up the next day now, would we?
Jay
June 7th, 2012
9:29 am
The 8 percent prediction was made at a time when they thought GDP was declining at 3-4 percent. As they later learned, it was actually declining at more than twice that rate, but nobody had the numbers yet to determine it.
Fly-On-The-Wall
June 7th, 2012
9:29 am
So, what I’m hearing is that we don’t need any more help from government if this were to happen again. My guess is that if Romney is elected in November he and all of the Righty-Tighties here would blame Obama for years to come. Just like they did for Shrub during his 8 years by blaming everything on Clinton.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
9:30 am
I wonder how Rep. Huelskamp , with a doctorate in poli sci, would react if someone said to him “so what if you say 96% of professional historians and political scientists say the Cold War contained Soviet expansion. It didn’t. So there.”?
This is what ideologues do. It does not matter their level of education or experience. They latch onto something they want to believe and will hold to it, no matter the evidence to the contrary.
A poli sci guy should know just how dangerous that is.
Glad Elmendorf slapped him down. He must get frustrated, testifying before these mental midgets.
Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you love congestion
June 7th, 2012
9:30 am
Speculation is being generous…. I should have just said what it is: propaganda
Call It Like It Is
June 7th, 2012
9:31 am
“In another crisis, GOP would let economy collapse”
Not meant to be read as a factual statement.
Fly-On-The-Wall
June 7th, 2012
9:32 am
Ivan,
Too big to fail is the problem but the solution is something the Republicans won’t except – the Banks must be broken up so they can’t do what they did to cause this. The Banks need regulation otherwise they will continued to play with other peoples money knowing the government must step in to save the whole system.
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
9:32 am
jm,
come on, what’s wrong with jay accusing republicans for cheering on, or blaming republicans for causing an even bigger economic collapse that “might” have happened?
Mighty Righty
June 7th, 2012
9:32 am
rightwingextreme
Thank you for the truth which is in short supply on this site.
larry
June 7th, 2012
9:32 am
During the campaign, the independent Tax Policy Center researched how Obama’s tax proposals would affect workers. It concluded 94.3 percent of workers would receive a tax cut under Obama’s plan based on the tax credit to offset payroll taxes.
stands for decibels
June 7th, 2012
9:33 am
“Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.”
–Nooners, a.k.a Our Lady of the Jesus-Dolphins
Jay
June 7th, 2012
9:33 am
Ty:
Would YOU support a Republican congressman who in similar circumstances voted for another TARP or another stimulus?
Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you love congestion
June 7th, 2012
9:33 am
The banking industry is “too important to fail”
Without a banking sector the rest of the economy doesn’t work
It’s like your house plumbing or electricity
Rarely appreciated until it doesn’t exist, and then you have a big problem
Paul
June 7th, 2012
9:34 am
Mighty Righty
“. “Because you’re saying most economists think it should’ve worked. It didn’t.”
Yes.
Fly into the Dallas-Ft worth airport and look at the miles of ongoing construction on the DFW connector.
Thanks to the stimulus.
Mighty Righty
June 7th, 2012
9:35 am
Fly-On-The-Wall
As we speak the banks are bailing out the federal government. It is the Fed who is borrowing from the banks because the world has lost faith in our government being able to repay its debt. Our governmnet is forcing the banks to lend it money.
Cutty
June 7th, 2012
9:36 am
“That’s idiotic. No one wants to see the economy sink. Our jobs and investments are tied to it.”
But let the economy implode?
Those on the right love to talk about how the country they love has a terrible government (don’t get that one). Meanwhile, the private sector and their subsidies and tax breaks are bleeding said government, and those CEOs are telling you that teachers, firefighters, and cops are the reason the economy is where it is. What suckers.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
9:36 am
Mighty Righty
Bad cut and paste.
Your question was “do anyone of you know a songle person who is employed today in a job created by the “stimulous” (sic)?”
My answer was as stated.
John Ellison
June 7th, 2012
9:36 am
Obama could have created 3 million jobs without spending a penny by opening federal lands for drilling.
Grasshopper
June 7th, 2012
9:37 am
Let’s see…
Stimulus was (at least): $831,000,000,000
Optimistic amount of jobs saved: 3,300,000
That comes out to $251,818.18 per job.
Oh yes…totally worth it. In liberal-land at least.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
9:37 am
The banking industry is “too important to fail”
Here’s your sign.
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
9:37 am
Jay,
TARP? no, I wouldn’t…”stimulus”? depends on the specifics…Unlike you, I can’t really answer hypotheticals without specifics.
Jay
June 7th, 2012
9:38 am
Mighty Righty, you have that exactly backwards, but what else is new, huh?
Mighty Righty
June 7th, 2012
9:39 am
Paul
I have been flying into Fort Worth since before the present terminals were built. BTW that whole complex was built without “stimulous” money just as was every other airport in the world.
Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you love congestion
June 7th, 2012
9:39 am
Warren Buffett: virtually impossible to have a new recession right now
Jay is fear mongering
Ty
Paul
June 7th, 2012
9:40 am
I’m reading a lot of comments and hearing from Republican Congressmen that the stimulus did not create any jobs.
The stimulus contained tax cuts.
Therefore, tax cuts do not create jobs.
Correct?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
9:42 am
Warren Buffett: virtually impossible to have a new recession right now
Famous last words.
“Orville and Wilbur, I’ve told you before and I’ll tell you again, that durn contraption just will not fly.”
Paul
June 7th, 2012
9:42 am
MIghty Righty
“BTW that whole complex was built without “stimulous” money just as was every other airport in the world.”
I did not say the airport was constructed with stimulus funds. I said the DFW connector, which is the maze of state highways surrounding DFW airport.
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
9:43 am
MIghty Righty – “Please note I said employed “today” not “was”.
Exactly, The fire station is being built today, using ARRA funds. The construction workers I have spoken to are working TODAY. I merely answered your question, but as usual, once given an honest answer, you have decided to dismiss it.
anne
June 7th, 2012
9:43 am
Bailouts are bad! Nothing is fixed! the system is too full of holes for a transfusion! it’s like pumping blood from the living to keep a corpse alive! Let It Die! I want laissez faire capitalism and Real Democracy nøt Hypocrisy Elections not S-Elections! More Taxes?! ferget it! don’t give the bums another DIME! ..Bailing out buddies from wall street and jailing instead people who speak the truth against the monopolies like Monsanto and the nuke industry! i.m.o. this guy’s article is “snow”
Mighty Righty
June 7th, 2012
9:44 am
Jay
Banks Are Lending Money Like Crazy To Single Borrower
CHART OF THE DAY:Joe Weisenthal and Kamelia Angelova|June 08, 2010|7,653|47
That would be Uncle Sam.
The latest data, which just came out yesterday, confirms that while bank lending remains subdued, purchases of government securities continue to soar.
Why the thirst for government securities? Well, government has a big thirst for money, and in this environment, it’s nice to put money with an entity that you’re sure can pay you back.
Seriously, why would you bother lending to an actual job-creating small business.
Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-06-08/wall_street/30074567_1_bank-lending-thirst-single-borrower#ixzz1×7AxuLCL
Adam
June 7th, 2012
9:44 am
but by any definition the Obama stimulus worked
Except for the definition Republicans have given it, which is anything less than a complete revival of the economy back to the way it was and better within one year is a failure.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
9:45 am
I want laissez faire capitalism and Real Democracy…
I want a date with Sarah Shahi.
But unlike you, I’m not whining about it.
RAMBLE ON!!!
June 7th, 2012
9:45 am
“every major governmental intervention that succeeded in pulling the economy back from the brink in the crisis of 2008-09 would be rejected by those now in control of the U.S. House”
Total lie, but then again you are a liberal Jay and you just can’t help yourself.
Umm, Ford Motor Co.?!?
“The 8 percent prediction was made at a time when they thought GDP was declining at 3-4 percent. As they later learned, it was actually declining at more than twice that rate, but nobody had the numbers yet to determine it”
So, you are willing to admit King Obama had no idea what he was talking about then?
Harold Westerling
June 7th, 2012
9:48 am
“In a survey conducted by the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, 80 percent of economic experts agreed that, because of the stimulus, the U.S. unemployment rate was lower at the end of 2010 than it would have been otherwise.”
– Wow…are these the same 80 percent of economic experts that didn’t see the mega-crash of 2008 coming, when the entire economy teetered on the brink of total collapse? If they are indeed economic experts, why didn’t their predictive models give us any advance warning?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
9:48 am
M. RIghty — “This site is full of liberal bloggers including chairman Jay; do anyone of you know a songle person who is employed today in a job created by the “stimulous”?
Yes. All the contractors building the new fire station in South Cobb, right across the street from my rheumatologist’s office. There’s a great big sign on the worksite specifying that the construction is being paid for by ARRA.
Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you love congestion
June 7th, 2012
9:50 am
Just to settle the who is lending to whom thing
The government is lending to itself by printing money
This is generally a bad idea
But that is what us happening
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 7th, 2012
9:50 am
Why does everybody on the planet (except Fox News) lie to Republicans?
That’s not at all very nice.
rightwingextreme
June 7th, 2012
9:50 am
Jay, my point is that you selectively copied and pasted only that part of the testimony that made the stimulus look good while attempting to throw the GOP under the bus by saying they would have let the economy tank and would have enjoyed it.
A little bit of research, it only took me about two minutes to google impact of stimulus, and you could have had the more complete version of the CBO’s estimate which I provided.
Besides, no where in the article does he suggest this was the high end estimate, or that it was an estimate for that matter.
So I guess I could ask the question….what part of that don’t you understand?
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
9:51 am
RAMBLE ON!!! – “So, you are willing to admit King Obama had no idea what he was talking about then?”
Maybe he will if you admit that King John had no idea what he was talking about in September 2008:
“On a day when Wall Street was melting down, Republican Sen. John McCain insisted Monday that the nation’s economy was “fundamentally strong,”
RAMBLE ON!!!
June 7th, 2012
9:53 am
Granny, the truth hurts. Maybe that’s why liberals can’t speak it.
Jay
June 7th, 2012
9:53 am
Mighty:
A.) Your link is two years old.
B.) You initially claimed the Fed was borrowing from the banks; now you claim it is the federal government. They are separate entities.
C.) Google “quantitative easing,” through which the Fed has injected massive amounts of capital into the financing sector.
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
9:54 am
Paul,
you bring up an interesting dichotomy…the “anti-tax” crowd(me included) must admit that if the stimulus failed, then lowering taxes doesn’t necessarily equate to more jobs…and the “raise taxes” crowd, if touting the stimulus as a success, proves that lowering taxes does create more jobs…
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
9:54 am
JHM – “Yes. All the contractors building the new fire station in South Cobb, right across the street from my rheumatologist’s office. There’s a great big sign on the worksite specifying that the construction is being paid for by ARRA”
What? their building a fire station in Georgia too? Say it isn’t so. I thought we were just lucky here in NYC. Do you think that perhaps, there are currently multiple projects around the country being funded by ARRA? Please don’t tell Mighty Righty, he might hurt himself looking for some spin.:)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
9:54 am
Granny, the truth hurts.
Splinters from pressure treated wood hurt.
The truth?
Nope.
Jay
June 7th, 2012
9:55 am
Extreme writes:
“Besides, no where in the article does he suggest this was the high end estimate, or that it was an estimate for that matter.”
Elmendorf told the committee that “CBO’s own analysis found that the package added as many as 3.3 million jobs to the economy…”
Again, extreme, what part of “added as many as 3.3 million jobs” don’t you understand? What do you think “as many as” means?
Paul
June 7th, 2012
9:56 am
Mighty Righty
Based upon the examples Butch Cassidy and I provided, do you acknowledge people are working today at jobs created by stimulus funding?
Emod
June 7th, 2012
9:56 am
Wow, another blame Republicans column…I wasn’t expecting that. The Obama economy is wonderful. He saved us from from the the worst recession since the Great Depression. I think if he says it enough he thinks it actually is true as the “true believers” swoon and get a funny feeling up their leg in all 57 states.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 7th, 2012
9:56 am
RAMBLE ON
Piffle.
You can’t HEAR it.
You can’t – your petty parsimonius unpreposessing inner self has
blocked any possibility of honor or character.
That truth really hurts. Hurts you. Hurts our nation.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
9:57 am
I think if he says it enough he thinks it actually is true…
The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
9:58 am
Paul – “Based upon the examples Butch Cassidy and I provided, do you acknowledge people are working today at jobs created by stimulus funding?”
Don’t forget JHM. Apparently we are the only 3 people on the planet to have actually witnessed an ARRA project being worked on.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
9:58 am
B. Cassidy — “What? their building a fire station in Georgia too? Say it isn’t so. I thought we were just lucky here in NYC.”
Ayup. It’s right across the street from the Wellstar building at Cooper Lake Road and the East-West Connector in South Cobb, if anyone wants to go have a look-see at the sign.
“Do you think that perhaps, there are currently multiple projects around the country being funded by ARRA?”
Can such things BE?
“Please don’t tell Mighty Righty, he might hurt himself looking for some spin.:)”
I’m sure he’ll find some excuse for it, as usual.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
9:59 am
I think if he says it enough he thinks it actually is true as the “true believers” swoon and get a funny feeling up their leg in all 57 states.
Well Romney wants us to believe in AmerCIA so PPPBBBBBTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!
See? Anyone can play that childish game!
Paul
June 7th, 2012
10:00 am
ty webb
When one takes all the stand-alone assertions, bumps them up against each other, then examine the historical record, it does bring out some interesting inconsistencies, doesn’t it?
That’s the point at which one would hope people would say “huh, maybe what I’ve thought isn’t exactly right, so I’m going to revise my position.
But what I gather usually happens (here, anyway) is people say “that’s BS!” and lapse back into their comfort zone.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 7th, 2012
10:00 am
Stimulus Jobs?
Seen Rhodes Jordan Park lately?
AND…they did a beautiful job.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
10:01 am
“Second, what part of “as many as 3.3 million jobs” don’t you understand?”
Reading comprehension escapes him……
Jim
June 7th, 2012
10:01 am
I wonder how much better the economy would be if the government had let the income earners keep their money and spend it as opposed to the government picking pet projects such as funding oversees car companies?
JKL2
June 7th, 2012
10:02 am
Women and children aren’t safe to walk the streets at night with all these evil Republicans on the loose. They want to starve your children and poison the water supply, take away healthcare, social security, close your schools and some even think women who can’t figure out they’re pregnant within 6 months should actually have the kid.
Why can’t the police do something about them?
stands for decibels
June 7th, 2012
10:02 am
Apparently we are the only 3 people on the planet to have actually witnessed an ARRA project being worked on.
if only there were an online resource that people could use that describes what projects have been worked on! That would set folks’ minds at ease, you would think.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:02 am
Jim: if the government had let the income earners keep their money and spend it
Fallacy. Just because you have 300 times more income does NOT mean you buy 300 times more stuff. In fact, evidence clearly shows you don’t.
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
10:02 am
Paul,
Revising one’s position is good and all, but it’s just so much easier to demonize the other “side”.
carlosgvv
June 7th, 2012
10:02 am
Call It Like It Is – Not meant to be taken seriously.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
10:02 am
JMH
Didn’t mean to leave you out.
Mighty Righty
Okay, based upon what Butch Cassidy, JMH and I said…..
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
10:03 am
Jim — “I wonder how much better the economy would be if the government had let the income earners keep their money and spend it as opposed to the government picking pet projects such as funding oversees car companies”
I presume, since you’re objecting to the “government picking pet projects” that you’re also against business subsidies and tax deductions?
gadem
June 7th, 2012
10:03 am
The problem is very frightening. The populace is very uneducated as to the workings of government, the need for taxes, and how a national/global economy works. The population refuses to educate themselves and read. They are lead around by the nose by talking heads that have told them that anything related to taxes are bad, poor people are bad, foreigners are bad, social programs are bad.
In my heart I would say that we let them have their conservative experiment so that they can see that ALL of their principles when put into practice will fail.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:03 am
They want to… take away healthcare, social security, close your schools and some even think women who can’t figure out they’re pregnant within 6 months should actually have the kid.
If you put all those together, and pay attention to the last one, you can clearly see that Republicans actually DO want to take away health care, social security, public education, AND force women to have babies because they think women are stupid.
stands for decibels
June 7th, 2012
10:04 am
if the government had let the income earners keep their money and spend it
what part of 297.8 billion in tax benefits via the ARRA don’t you get?
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
10:04 am
Here Mighty, I hate to burst your bubble, but even in the promised land of Wisconsin, they are using (gasp) ARRA funds.:
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/recovery/docs/air-monthly-report.pdf
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
10:04 am
I say let the GOP crash this summbeeyatch. When those who finance this dumbass logic lose their fortunes, maybe, just maybe that will be enough to get rid of this stupid, illogical reasoning in our society. When those billionaires realize their billions are worth less than dog sh*t, maybe they will understand what the Bible says about the love of money.
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dB @ 9:12
jm made a comment to me last night that could be pretty much summed up by Klein’s piece. I read that one, and sadly I agree with Klein to an extent.
dB @
Paul
June 7th, 2012
10:04 am
Why do people leave in the middle of a discussion without even saying ‘good-bye’?
John Birch
June 7th, 2012
10:05 am
Jay – Valid, although somewhat exaggerated points about the obstructionist Republican congress (”let economoy collapse?”). But those CBO numbers would be more approrpiately categorized as “guesstimates” rather than indisputable facts. Here’s some of those ‘facts’ from the CBO as of 2010 Q2.
“On that basis, CBO estimates that in the second quarter of calendar year 2010, ARRAs policies:
Increased the number of people employed by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million……
The effects of ARRA on output and employment are expected to gradually diminish during the second half of 2010 and beyond. The effects of ARRA on employment and unemployment are expected to lag slightly behind the effects on output; they are expected to wane gradually in 2011 and beyond.”
So on Aug 24, 2010 the guesstimate of jobs created was maybe 1.4M or maybe 3.3M and that was expected to decline going forward. Now it created 3.3M jobs as of 2012?
Kind of like when Obamacare was originally estimated to be deficit neutral.
RAMBLE ON!!!
June 7th, 2012
10:06 am
The truth was spoken in WI., Tuesday. Our nation will be much better because of it.
How’s that feel liberals.
I’ll say it again. The truth hurts, ouch.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:06 am
Obama supports ending the tax cuts for all if the deal is all or nothing. That means that he essentially is willing to let taxes on poor people go up. Why aren’t you Republicans voting for that? I thought you WANTED more people to have more skin in the game. Instead, you support the REPUBLICAN policy to keep taxes on poor people low. Defend that!
Don't Tread
June 7th, 2012
10:06 am
Are we back to the “hand out money to my people and raise taxes on the other people to pay for it” kick? It’s like crack…you have to have the next hit.
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
10:08 am
RAMBLE ON!!! – “The truth was spoken in WI., Tuesday. Our nation will be much better because of it. ”
Are these the same socialsts that are using Federal Tax Dollars to complete their work projects via the ARRA?
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/projects/recovery/docs/air-monthly-report.pdf
Jay
June 7th, 2012
10:08 am
So on Aug 24, 2010 the guesstimate of jobs created was maybe 1.4M or maybe 3.3M and that was expected to decline going forward. Now it created 3.3M jobs as of 2012?
Reread what Elmendorf said, John. He was quite clear and accurate.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:08 am
“hand out money to my people and raise taxes on the other people to pay for it”
Sure. Let’s raise taxes on poor people and lower them on rich people. After all, that won’t affect either you or me, and it will make more people pair more “fair” taxes, right? Oh, and the job creators will finally after decades of not doing so, be free to create jobs. And buy 300 times more cars than the average person.
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
10:09 am
Obama could have created 3 million jobs without spending a penny by opening federal lands for drilling.
Boy, is that ever some unbelieveable bullsh*t…
Companies that already have leases are not even drilling on the land they’ve leased, so why would you give them even more?
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I’m reading a lot of comments and hearing from Republican Congressmen that the stimulus did not create any jobs.
The stimulus contained tax cuts.
Therefore, tax cuts do not create jobs.
Correct?
Yep. Sometimes politicians are the most honest when they least realize they are.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:10 am
Companies that already have leases are not even drilling on the land they’ve leased, so why would you give them even more?
The logic of this, as well as the logic of “remove money from schools, complain about how they aren’t working, remove more money from schools, complain about how they’re not working…. repeat”
hewhoasks
June 7th, 2012
10:12 am
Consider the USPS. The Republicans have legislated to force it into bankruptcy. Why? Could it be the strong postal union?
OK, the Republicans also wanted the automobile companies to go bankrupt, so they could abrogate their obligations to retirees. Obligations won by unions.
Has there ever been a US political party more opposed to “We the People” than the current Republicans? They bitterly oppose anything or anyone who wants the people – the ones doing the work that creates the wealth – to prosper. Either for personal reasons or as hirelings.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:12 am
The stimulus contained tax cuts for
the rabblemiddle class and poor people, not jobGodscreators. Therefore tax cuts only work if they’re forour lords and mastersjob creators.Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
10:12 am
RAMBLE ON!!! – “The truth was spoken in WI., Tuesday. Our nation will be much better because of it.”
Do you think they will be returning the $21.14 Billion they took from the Feds now that they’ve seen the light?
“Wisconsin, a longtime laggard among states at securing federal money, shot ahead in 2009 as the federal stimulus bill took effect, snagging an increase of more than 50%, or $21.14 billion in federal funds.”
stands for decibels
June 7th, 2012
10:13 am
Are we back to the “hand out money to my people and raise taxes on the other people to pay for it” kick?
I’ll ask the question I asked downstairs, without getting an answer:
What kind of country could function if every single taxpayer had to be assured of getting more-or-less precisely what he or she had paid in taxes, in the form of direct services, in any given year?
Do you know of any country where that actually occurs?
Well do you?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
10:13 am
I say let the GOP crash this summbeeyatch. When those who finance this dumbass logic lose their fortunes, maybe, just maybe that will be enough to get rid of this stupid, illogical reasoning in our society.
Yep, but it’ll still be Obama’s fault ’cause he couldn’t fix the damage wrought by thirty years worth of phlogiston economics in three and a half years.
GT
June 7th, 2012
10:14 am
I picture the Republican Party training like an al-Quida terrorist training camp for these debates against a more intelligent and truthful left organization. Maybe they too are hoping for the virgin reward.
We on the left and middle make the mistake that we are debating with gentleman. We assume sincerity. Thus when a Tim Huelskamp inserts a false assumption that the stimulus has failed the general GOP public takes that as fact and Douglas Elmendorf is placed on the defensive to prove that there is gravity on earth and air to breath instead of getting on with the real debate of how things are really going in this country.
I have notice this is doctrine in the performance of spokespeople of the right. They lead with outrageous irresponsible misdirectioned comments, suck up any oxygen in the conversation so the counter point can never be made. Then they have painted on smirks on their faces, knowing they are molesting the truth and there is not a damn thing the opponent can do about it. This is too much a part of the uniform delivery of the right to not be an organized efforts to misinform the public and cancel out any real debate on real issues and real facts. It is like the kid who puts his fingers in his ears and starts singing at the top of his lungs so he does not have to answer his parent.
The commentators are usually part of the package. Watching the door so to speak to make sure the wing nut can have his go of it uninterrupted by sanity. It must be good television, like live executions or raw sex that drive their ratings up at any cost. If you make them come back to earth or just shut up for a moment you are labeled left wing press. What are these right winger so afraid of if it is so important to lie like this and then not have a opportunity to hear the rebuttal? Is power more important than truth? In the long run truth never changes and will wear out the defects of a lie. Debate is for finding the truth so we are not running down the wrong path. This does not seem to appeal to the right,they rather have 15 minutes of their way so the rest of us can suffer for years.
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
10:14 am
Adam
That one always makes me laugh. Sometimes, I get a mental picture of some of the posters here living life like the Three Stooges.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
10:15 am
K’Chak — “phlogiston economics”
I am SO stealing that. I salute you, sir.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:15 am
stands: The argument being made when it comes to pay for what you use is that there is no such thing as a collective society (gotta love how some people don’t live in reality) and that there should be no government, and only the rich should have mercenary forces of their own to protect them, the rest of you don’t deserve it.
JKL2
June 7th, 2012
10:15 am
adam- That means that he essentially is willing to let taxes on poor people go up. Why aren’t you Republicans voting for that?
Because the Democrats are the party of higher taxes. obama only supports it because he knows he’s going to come back and give all the money right back to them in another program (wealth redistribution). Why not cut out the middleman (government) and just let the people keep their money to begin with?
Don't Tread
June 7th, 2012
10:15 am
Do you know when it’s a good idea to reward your cronies with taxpayer money? Well do you?
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
10:15 am
Kam
Valid point. Although I think it will probably be a combination of Obama and Carter.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:16 am
Because the Democrats are the party of higher taxes.
I thought you supported the Ryan Plan, which raises taxes on poor people. Oh sure, it doesn’t raise taxes OVERALL, but it does raise them on poor people. What about that?
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:17 am
Do you know when it’s a good idea to reward your cronies with taxpayer money? Well do you?
When they pay millions for your state campaign in return!
BOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
10:18 am
Do you know when it’s a good idea to reward your cronies with taxpayer money? Well do you?
What about when your cronies build substandard housing for military personnel in war zones that even causes the death of some? I think that one’s been proven already.
John Birch
June 7th, 2012
10:19 am
Thanks Jay, I missed that he was talking about 2010 Q2, my mistake. I just know a lot of these numbers aren’t anywhere near rock solid. I think we all understand projections are shaky, but how about when this month they make a huge adjustment to last month’s jobs numbers?
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
10:19 am
JKL2 – “Why not cut out the middleman (government) and just let the people keep their money to begin with?”
Probably for the same reason that there isn’t a 100% charitiable donation rate. If it were left to the people to volunteer what they thought was “fair” the entire country would collapse into one gigantic pile of crap. Other than that, it’s a great idea.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
10:20 am
Joe Hussein Mama
I must confess that I Bidened phlogiston economics from Truthout.org
http://archive.truthout.org/phlogiston-economics-the-need-dispel-free-hand-and-create-jobs-instead65648
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:20 am
If it were left to the people to volunteer what they thought was “fair” the entire country would collapse into one gigantic pile of crap. Other than that, it’s a great idea.
You made my day
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
10:21 am
Adam
I doubt that any of these people read Ryan’s Plan beyond the frilly, lacey talking bullets he showed during the powerpoint presentation. How else could we be subjected to a credit rating drop because of some “principled” stand on the debt limit, when damn near every House GOP member had already voted to increase it up beyond $23 Trillion? I wonder how many conservative supporters actually realized that the GOP was for the debt limit increase before they were against it?
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:22 am
Brosephus: Let’s be fair, he didn’t just do a powerpoint presentation. He did a video with graphic overlays where he motioned to the graph that wasn’t there until later. That dude should be in acting, or at least a documentary presenter.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
June 7th, 2012
10:23 am
“Miss me yet?”
Thomas Jefferson.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
10:23 am
K’Chak — “I must confess that I Bidened phlogiston economics from Truthout.org”
Even so, “phlogiston economics” is almost as good as “Adam Smith’s Invisiible H@ndjob.”
Don't Tread
June 7th, 2012
10:24 am
By “good idea”, I mean good idea for the TAXPAYERS, not you.
RAMBLE ON!!!
June 7th, 2012
10:24 am
Butch Cassidy says:
-Wisconsin, a longtime laggard among states at securing federal money, shot ahead in 2009 as the federal stimulus bill took effect, snagging an increase of more than 50%, or $21.14 billion in federal funds.”
…that was when the Libs were running the state (into the ground).
Scott Kevin Walker (born November 2, 1967) is an American politician and a member of the Republican Party who currently serves as the 45th Governor of Wisconsin. Walker took office on January 3, 2011, after defeating Democratic candidate Tom Barrett, attaining 52% of the vote in the November 2010 general election
Thanks for illustrating my point. The truth hurts, deal with it.
Halftrack
June 7th, 2012
10:24 am
Tarp and Stimulus are like toothpicks supporting a person (Nation) under a crushing heavy weight ( 16 Trillion in debt). It is unsustainable and the weight is coming down sooner or later and we will all be crushed flat as a cartoon character. What do we do then?
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:26 am
By “good idea”, I mean good idea for the TAXPAYERS, not you.
My assertion still stands then, if you believe the hype from the person campaigning.
stands for decibels
June 7th, 2012
10:27 am
Let’s think about the Big Ideas being put forth by economic wizards like Don’t Tread. Henceforth, working parents with a kid or two will fork over whatever it takes to educate their kids in a public school, during those years the kids are in school ONLY. Before and after their school years, they’re off the hook.
Whew, we just funded Education!
Now for that tricky defending our borders business. We could calculate it by how close you are to an actual border…
josef
June 7th, 2012
10:27 am
Meanwhile…
http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,16006008,00.html
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
10:27 am
RAMBLE ON!!!!!! – “that was when the Libs were running the state (into the ground).
Scott Kevin Walker (born November 2, 1967) is an American politician and a member of the Republican Party who currently serves as the 45th Governor of Wisconsin. Walker took office on January 3, 2011, after defeating Democratic candidate Tom Barrett, attaining 52% of the vote in the November 2010 general election”
Super, when will he be returning the 21.14 billion to the American taxpayers?
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
10:27 am
Adam
Point taken. The actual legislation from both years have mirrored each other as well. Therefore, if the GOP starts complaining about the debt limit, it should be thrown right back in their faces that they’ve already voted to damn near double it.
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Even so, “phlogiston economics” is almost as good as “Adam Smith’s Invisiible H@ndjob.”
Adam Smith gave us the “Happy Ending”.
Don't Tread
June 7th, 2012
10:28 am
“we will all be crushed flat as a cartoon character. What do we do then?”
Print more money.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:28 am
stands @ 10:27a:
On a somber note, unions and public education are both dead within ten years.
stands for decibels
June 7th, 2012
10:28 am
Walker took office on January 3, 2011
and of course not a penny of ARRA has been spent on them stinkin’ rotten Badgers since, right?
getalife
June 7th, 2012
10:29 am
cons lie.
It is what they do.
Told ya facts don’t matter to cons.
They dwell in la la land.
RAMBLE ON!!!
June 7th, 2012
10:29 am
Butch, nice dodge.
The truth will set you free, try it sometime.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:30 am
Therefore, if the GOP starts complaining about the debt limit, it should be thrown right back in their faces that they’ve already voted to damn near double it.
But it won’t. Hell, they even get away with saying that the legislation against women doesn’t really exist, that Democrats made it up. The mainstream CONSERVATIVE MEDIA laps that stuff right up and regurgitates it verbatim.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
10:30 am
R. ON — “…that was when the Libs were running the state (into the ground).
So when can we expect WI Republicans to return the unspent funds? After all, you clearly equate getting and using the funds with ‘running the state into the ground.’
“Thanks for illustrating my point.”
Thanks for illustrating ours. You couldn’t have done a better job if we’d written your post for you.
“The truth hurts, deal with it.”
I love when conservatives talk themselves into a corner and then talk tough in an effort to bluff their way out.
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
10:30 am
“I wonder how many conservative supporters actually realized that the GOP was for the debt limit increase before they were against it?”
Brosephus,
I’m not sure you want to go down that road(see Obama)
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
10:31 am
But it won’t. Hell, they even get away with saying that the legislation against women doesn’t really exist, that Democrats made it up.
True. I guess it’s up to the everyday American to paste that message on billboards and signs all across the nation.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
June 7th, 2012
10:31 am
“In our country, learned ignorance is on the rise.”
― Paul Krugman
.
To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble.
—-Paul Krugman… in “Dubya’s Double Dip?”, The New York Times, 2 August 2002
stands for decibels
June 7th, 2012
10:32 am
Meanwhile…
Did a quick Ctrl-F on that story, didn’t find an occurrence of the term “Gay Bomb,” closed tab, sorry.
RAMBLE ON!!!
June 7th, 2012
10:33 am
“On a somber note, unions and public education are both dead within ten years”
Somber?!?
REJOICE!!!
Total lie (you can’t help yourself, its habit) about public education though. It will only get better now.
REJOICE!!!
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:33 am
More somber: Seriously, we have maybe a 5-10% chance of having any center left or left-at-all Democrat voted into a House position or Senate position or state position in November 2012. The only silver lining, if such a thing even exists anymore, is Obama will probably still win re-election. But just as the last four years have shown, that won’t matter. Even if he manages to get something passed, Republicans will turn on it and vilify it and make the Supreme Court that they own strike it down. Obama is just a weak stopper for the drain. A Republican President would be essentially NO stopper for the drain, INCLUDING spending, but still. Obama wins, all other Democrats save a few solid ones lose. That’s November.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
10:34 am
They think it is some kind of cute game and should never have power.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
10:34 am
Obama, Dems raise $60 Million In May
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/07/barack-obama-fundraising-may_n_1576819.html
I guess this means the end of Democracy and the end of America as we know it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy8FSyI_Djg
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
10:34 am
RAMBLE ON!!!! – “Butch, nice dodge.
The truth will set you free, try it sometime.”
What dodge? The great state of Wisconsin accepted $21.14 billion in federal funds. Funds that came from taxes paid by people like me. Regardless of when they were accepted or who accepted them, shouldn’t Walker, as a beacon of hope for the GOP, immediately return the money to the taxpayers so that we can see what a true American he is?
JKL2
June 7th, 2012
10:34 am
Butch- If it were left to the people to volunteer what they thought was “fair” the entire country would collapse into one gigantic pile of crap. Other than that, it’s a great idea.
It’s so unfair when people expect something when they give away their hard earned money. Let’s just have the government take it form them by force so we can give to the irresponsible one’s with no strings attached (no incentive change their poor behavior). Brilliant.
Vote obama and the “give a man a fish” party.
BlahBlahBlah
June 7th, 2012
10:35 am
“death sprial” is a bunch of “sky is falling” garbage.
In Bookman world, the printing presses never stop. Free money for everyone. We’ll figure out how to pay for it later. And when anyone asks “is it later yet?” the answer will always be “not yet!”
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
10:35 am
ty
Why would I not want to go down that road? Are you saying that Democrats are the only ones guilty of that? Go back and read the actual legislation of Ryan’s Budget proposal. You don’t have to get past the 5th page before you see that the actual legislation says the debt limit will have to be increased over ten years to more than $23 Trillion dollars. The original proposal was $26 Trillion. If every GOP House member backed that legislation and believed in it, why in the hell were we subjected to that crap over the debt limit? Why did we have to have our credit rating lowered for the first time EVER over that crap?
I’d love to go down that road, as I don’t support any politician. I have no problem with calling any of all of them out. I’m just tired of this hypocritical bullsh*t from the Right that’s the main source for what’s wrong with this country. There’s a time and a place for battling, and there’s a time and a place to just shut up and bail out the boat. Those jackasses in DC would much rather carry on an ideological battle all the while we’re going to sh*t. I’m tired of it, and I’m tired of them all.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:36 am
RAMBLE: Your party supports removing the funding every chance it gets and then using taxpayer funds to send people who can already afford it to private school. That is essentially an unopposed position. Just keep doing it and there will soon be no money left. There will be no public education, only private, after ten years time in this country.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 7th, 2012
10:36 am
Aren’t we in a crisis now? That damn George Bush…………..
227 more days
June 7th, 2012
10:36 am
Fast and Furiously Fire Holder!
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
10:36 am
R. ON — “Total lie (you can’t help yourself, its habit) about public education though. It will only get better now. ”
If you think that, then you should have no problem demonstrating the quantitative and qualitative differences you seem to think exist. Please show them to us. With citations and links.
JKL2
June 7th, 2012
10:37 am
adam-
Why doesn’t obama propose a tax structure like IL? $1,000 deduction per dependant with virtually no other deductions and a 5% flat rate.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:37 am
JKL2: You are not receiving government assistance correct? And what incentives have you had to change your poor behavior as a result of being denied?
Oh, that’s right, “poor behavior” to you means “the act of being poor.” Sorry, my bad.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:38 am
JKL2: Why doesn’t obama propose
Because if you fill in the blank after that sentence, Republicans would be against it. Hell, they were even against medicare and social security cuts when he proposed them.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
10:39 am
Brosephus — “You don’t have to get past the 5th page before you see that the actual legislation says the debt limit will have to be increased over ten years to more than $23 Trillion dollars. The original proposal was $26 Trillion. If every GOP House member backed that legislation and believed in it, why in the hell were we subjected to that crap over the debt limit? Why did we have to have our credit rating lowered for the first time EVER over that crap?”
They seem to have some sort of disconnect between demanding no further debt increases and not being able to actually present a budget that ACCOMPLISHES that. No budget plan yet proposed BY EITHER PARTY gets the job done without raising the debt ceiling.
rightwingextreme
June 7th, 2012
10:40 am
Jay,
this is straight from the CBO report itself:
Although CBO has examined data on output and
employment during the period since ARRA’s enactment,
those data are not as helpful in determining ARRA’s economic
effects as might be supposed because isolating the
effects would require knowing what path the economy
would have taken in the absence of the law. Because that
path cannot be observed, the new data add only limited
information about ARRA’s impact.
Plus, looking at the tables in the CBO report you get the same range of estimates of jobs created between 500,000 and the 3.3 million that you so desparately want to hang your hat on.
Jay, I certainly hope that your sales or subscription departments don’t make such wide ranging forecasts with so many holes and nuances in them as the CBO does. If the AJC estimated its readership like the CBO does….well, I’d sale any stock in the outfit as soon as possible.
Again, a little googling and it’s amazing what you can find. Now I understand why print media is dying
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
10:40 am
JKL2 – “It’s so unfair when people expect something when they give away their hard earned money. Let’s just have the government take it form them by force so we can give to the irresponsible one’s with no strings attached (no incentive change their poor behavior). Brilliant.”
Okay Braniac, exactly how much of your money do you think you need to part with in order to maintain the following:
A Functioning Military
Clean Air and Water
24/7 Police and Fire response
Roads, Bridges, Resovoirs, Dams etc…
Schools
Medical Research
Disease Prevention and Control
Disaster Recovery
Theres a lot more, but I don’t want to overwhelm your initial budget figures. Please tell us how much the aforementioned is worth to you.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:40 am
Republicans who answer the question “Should the government take care of those who CANNOT take care of themselves” with the answer “No” think children should all take the “climb a tree” test, even the ones with cerebral palsy. And if you fail, you get thrown under the bus.
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
10:40 am
“I’d love to go down that road, as I don’t support any politician. I have no problem with calling any of all of them out.”
Brosephus,
so I take your omission of Obama’s hypocrisy/inconsistency with regards to the debt limit was a mere accident.
BlahBlahBlah
June 7th, 2012
10:41 am
Adam, what Medicare and Social Security cuts did Obama specifically propose? I remember he made vague references to possible changes. But nothing firm. Say what you want about the Ryan plan, at least he had the testicular fortitude to put it in writing.
St Simons- island destination of Ga Republicans and their bribe monay
June 7th, 2012
10:42 am
the colubus monkey flings its poo when it feels its existence threatened
–trolling summary for those ‘on the go’ in today’s improving economy
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
10:43 am
T. Webb — “so I take your omission of Obama’s hypocrisy/inconsistency with regards to the debt limit was a mere accident.”
No less an accident than the hypocrisy/inconsistency of your own ideological compatriots in that regard.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:43 am
I think it’s about time for someone to say that there’s been no budget in the past 3 years. So I can show them that’s actually not true.
Oh heck, I’m feeling generous. I’ll do it now:
2012 budget passed – www. districtdispatch.org/2011/12/congress-passes-fy-2012-budget
2011 budget passed – www. nytimes.com/2011/04/15/us/politics/15congress.html
2010 budget passed – online. wsj.com/article/SB123870974208284245.html
stands for decibels
June 7th, 2012
10:43 am
BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE
You know, jokes about anal rape just never get tiresome, do they?
RB from Gwinnett
June 7th, 2012
10:44 am
Keep toting the water Jay. I know you’ll do absolutely anything to prop up the empty suit but the masses aren’t buying the hope change blame Bush blame congress blame anybody to avoid taking responsibility for anything routine any more.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:44 am
Say what you want about the Ryan plan, at least he had the testicular fortitude to put it in writing.
Yes he put his balls out right within kicking range. Good for him indeed.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
10:45 am
Blahblahblah — “Say what you want about the Ryan plan, at least he had the testicular fortitude to put it in writing.”
Ryan’s plan contains continued and increased deficit spending as far as the eye can see,
So the message I’m getting from you is that if Obama had presented a budget that ALSO contained deficit spending as far as the eye could see, that you’d refrain from criticizing him simply because he had the stones to put it in writing.
Is that about right?
Gordon
June 7th, 2012
10:45 am
I agree with most of what Jay wrote today, but “this sucker will go down” if we don’t formulate a plan to stop spending so much (see Jay’s CBO post yesterday). And that is where Democrats fall down even worse than Republicans, and can’t bring themselves to admit it. Please don’t take that to mean I believe Republicans do a great job on controlling spending – they don’t.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
10:46 am
In the end, w was a socialist for the banks like his daddy.
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
10:46 am
Joe hussein mama,
yes, both sides have been hypocritical/inconsistent…that’s why I point it out when partisans only include one side.
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
10:47 am
RB from Gwinnett – “the masses aren’t buying the hope change blame Bush blame congress blame anybody to avoid taking responsibility for anything routine any more.”
Apparently the “masses” can’t ready either. The quotes are from Elmendorf and the CBO, Jay has merely passed the information along to those who care to see it. Are you sure you guys want to get rid of education?
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:47 am
you’d refrain from criticizing him simply because he had the stones to put it in writing.
Is that about right?
*chortle*
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
10:47 am
You know, jokes about anal rape just never get tiresome, do they?
I believe that they get it from Rush Limbaugh. The guy they always claim that they don’t listen to.
BlahBlahBlah
June 7th, 2012
10:47 am
@Adam, the groin kicking reference was amusing. Now can you please point me to the actual SS and Medicare cuts you say Obama proposed.
Jay
June 7th, 2012
10:48 am
If print media is dying, Extreme, it’s because readers no longer comprehend basic phrases such as “as many as 3.3 million jobs.”
getalife
June 7th, 2012
10:48 am
You cons should tune into C-Span and watch your gop spend like nothing changed.
You cons got punked and you know it.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
10:48 am
“In the end, w was a socialist for the banks like his daddy.”
–Not intended to be factual information.
LOL! Pure delusion.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 7th, 2012
10:48 am
It seems to me that the Tea Party and it’s method of handling the economy is like a tree year old handling a loaded gun. They only have a vague idea of what it is or the damage it will do, but they will point it at their mother anyway and pull the trigger. Tragedy heaped on top of stupidity.
RAMBLE ON!!!
June 7th, 2012
10:49 am
Joe Hussein Mama,
“If you think that, then you should have no problem demonstrating the quantitative and qualitative differences you seem to think exist. Please show them to us. With citations and links.”
…ok, you asked for it.
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjpWaESn_9g”
Don't Tread
June 7th, 2012
10:50 am
Print media is dying beacuse the Internet is making it obsolete.
But go ahead and blame someone else. It’s the Democrat way.
BlahBlahBlah
June 7th, 2012
10:50 am
@Joe Hussein – if he put a plan out there I could make a determination on the merits of the plan. Adam’s chortling aside, I’d like to see where it is. Adam’s the one who made the claim. Now he can’t back it up.
So where is this grand plan to cut SS and Medicare?
RAMBLE ON!!!
June 7th, 2012
10:50 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjpWaESn_9g
RAMBLE ON!!!
June 7th, 2012
10:51 am
love those teacher unions.
JKL2
June 7th, 2012
10:51 am
adam- And what incentives have you had to change your poor behavior as a result of being denied?
Never asked for any. If millionaires qualify for free stuff from the government, I’m sure I could get it if I asked. But I don’t believe in sucking off the government because I understand where the money comes from.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:51 am
BlahBlahBlah: No, there were no specific cuts put down in writing while the deals were supposedly being hammered out (and as we discovered later, the GOP had no interest in a deal in the first place). The point I was making was that cuts to those programs were offered, and rejected, not that a deal was reached and THEN rejected by the GOP (though that has also happened on a number of occasions).
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
10:51 am
USMC — “LOL! Pure delusion.”
Feel free to explain why he didn’t put a stop to the bank bailouts in 2008, then.
Talking Head
June 7th, 2012
10:52 am
How many stories or articles will you libs have to create in order to convince yourselves that the ‘Obama Stimulus’ worked? Pathetic
Or that Obama WAS in fact a member of a Socialist party while in Chicago?
The End of Obama is near.
JKL2
June 7th, 2012
10:52 am
adam- Hell, they were even against medicare and social security cuts when he proposed them
Why does obama hate old and sick people so much?
Don't Tread
June 7th, 2012
10:52 am
I suppose cassettes are dying because people are too stupid to fast forward and rewind.
St Simons- island destination of Ga Republicans and their bribe monay
June 7th, 2012
10:52 am
‘Feudalism & patronage worked for the Romans. It works ebbywhere
its been tried. We just haven’t tried it hard enough.’
–some dumb*ss on the radio, sooner or later
MrLiberty
June 7th, 2012
10:52 am
The “most economists” you cite also never saw the collapse coming. Meanwhile, the Austrian School economists (including congressman Ron Paul), not only warned about but accurately predicted the inevitable collapse as early as 2001. Sadly they were not listened to then and are not being listened to now.
The stimulus took money from the productive sector and gave to those who had fundamentally failed. Money was printed out of thin air that is now destroying the value and purchasing power of the dollar. Every job created is worthless, unsustainable, and will vanish as soon as the stimulus money eventually dries up.
The bubble was a result of the Federal Reserve’s lowering of interest rates going back as early as the 1980’s and certainly since the link to gold was severed in 1971. All of the growth the country has seen that resulted from all of this false prosperity was doomed to fail. Significant malinvestment was made by people throughout the economy. Most of these folks got filthy rich off the suffering of those on fixed incomes, savers, and other responsible folks.
When the collapse happened, all of this malinvestment needed to be liquidated. No stimulus should have been applied. No bank bailouts should have happened. Would there have been suffering? Yes, of course, but it would have been suffering for those who got rich off the government manipulation of the economy. Instead, these failures got bailed out, inflation has destroyed the value of the dollar, businesses have been destroyed by the diversion of capital once again into the poor performers, and the “economists” of whom you speak continue to promote failed policies and receive lucrative payouts/grants from the Federal Reserve.
It is quite easy to speculate what “might” have happened if nothing had been done.
However we need only look at the historical evidence to see that it likely would not have been as bad as discussed (at least for the average American). In 1920-21 there was an enormous economic collapse – worse than the 2008 one. Tons of malinvestment created by the Fed and WW1 resulted in a huge contraction of the economy after the war. Harding was urged by idiots like Hoover to spend, spend, spend (stimulus) to correct the problem. He said that the country had relied on the market up to that point and there was no reason to switch gears now. The result? Yes, pain, but the debt was liquidated, unsound businesses and others went out of business and their assets were acquired by their superior competitors, and things got back to normal in just over 1 year. The opposite strategy was tried by Hoover following the ‘29 collapse, furthered by FDR, and even now researchers from UCLA (a super liberal school), agree that everything FDR did economically made the Depression last as long as it did and that doing nothing would have resulted in a much quicker correction.
We are now over 4 years into this mess with many, many more to go. Nothing is corrected. The same failures that caused the problems are now wealthier thanks to the stimulus and their superior competitors are out of business. The Fed continues to inflate the unsustainable bubbles – like housing. The dollar continues to buy less and less and clowns like you continue to believe the lies that come out of the mouths of the folks who have a financial incentive to lie about the actual failure of their agenda.
When are Americans going to reject failed Keynesian policies and embrace sound economics?
Go to www(dot)mises(dot)org and get a free online education in sound Austrian economics. Liberal and economically ignorant is no way to go through life.
ragnar danneskjold
June 7th, 2012
10:52 am
The economics-challeneged among us refuse to admit that economic downturns average less than one year except when government intervenes to “help.” Read your history book and learn the truth.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
10:53 am
R. ON — “…ok, you asked for it. ”
Linky no worky. And a Youtube link is weak tea indeed.
Show me numbers. Charts. Videos might impress some people, but they do not impress me.
Insert quarter and try again.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:53 am
JKL2: because I understand where the money comes from.
No you don’t. Very few people do. In fact most of the business community has no idea where money comes from, because they still think of it as a tangible thing. It’s not. Money is an IDEA. One that we’ve all fallen for and agreed to.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
10:54 am
“It seems to me that the Tea Party and it’s method of handling the economy is like a tree year old handling a loaded gun. They only have a vague idea of what it is or the damage it will do, but they will point it at their mother anyway and pull the trigger. Tragedy heaped on top of stupidity.”–Normal Thug
AHA! We now have discovered that Normal Thug AND Getalife are the same person.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
10:55 am
Blahblahblah — “if he put a plan out there I could make a determination on the merits of the plan. Adam’s chortling aside, I’d like to see where it is.”
So you’re giving Ryan a pass because he had the stones to put his plan in writing, but in Obama’s case, it needs to be in writing AND you want to review it first?
Sounds to me like you have a double standard.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
10:55 am
“How many stories or articles will you libs have to create in order to convince yourselves that the ‘Obama Stimulus’ worked?”
Show us where it DIDNT….
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
10:55 am
Republican members of the United States Congress are arguably the most reactionary, fraudulent, willfully stupid and dangerous group of white men, with any significant power, on the entire planet.
The worst of the worst.
Complete sell outs.
Look nor further than at our cast of clowns from Georgia…
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:55 am
Or that Obama WAS in fact a member of a Socialist party while in Chicago?
Cite please. Heck if this pans out you might actually convince me to go vote just to piss you off
ragnar danneskjold
June 7th, 2012
10:55 am
Leftists do not grasp that overlords are incompetent to manage an economy. They pass laws fighting the last economic wars, always locking the barn after the guilty escape, punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty. People with any real grasp of economics know that “water finds its own level,” and that when governments start using their guns to enforce their economic preferences, the dammed-up water washes away all when released.
BlahBlahBlah
June 7th, 2012
10:56 am
@ Adam, so you have no idea what may (or may not) have been offered. Great. Meanwhile, Obama created Simpson/Bowles and promptly ignored their recommendations.
If he’s got the long-term answer, why not put it in writing and let the public decide? What is he waiting for?
JKL2
June 7th, 2012
10:56 am
butch- Okay Braniac, exactly how much of your money do you think you need to part with in order to maintain the following
The studies I’ve seen have said something in the 12-13% range. The problem is wasteful spending, not a lack of revenue. When will the Democrats get off stupid and realize that even if you tax the rich 100%, we would still have a deficit?
The first step to curing alcoholism is to stop drinking…
getalife
June 7th, 2012
10:56 am
They should start planning on a default if the gop wins.
I suggest not using the same folks that want to default in a new government and Constitution.
Give the cons Alaska and be done with them.
Don't Tread
June 7th, 2012
10:56 am
“The stimulus took money from the productive sector and gave to those who had fundamentally failed.”
Not to mention the politically connected but worthless people like ACORN. But liberals see no problem with giving them money (i.e. other people’s money).
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:56 am
BlahBlahBlah: So the bottom line is – the GOP rejected the proposal. The fact that it wasn’t yet in writing doesn’t matter, except to distract from the point I was making.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
10:56 am
Rags
You are as blinded by your way of thinking as much or more than anyone on this blog is blinded by theirs.
You wouldn’t know the “truth” if it hit you in the head with a brick.
However, you do write very well.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
10:56 am
R. ON — “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjpWaESn_9g”
No thank you. I don’t consider Youtube videos evidentiary. Put some work into your response and show me some numbers.
BlahBlahBlah
June 7th, 2012
10:57 am
@ Joe Hussien – I haven’t given Ryan’s plan a pass. I think he deserves credit for putting it out there for public consumption. The president created a commission and then blew them off.
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
10:58 am
I suppose cassettes are dying because people are too stupid to fast forward and rewind.
Neocons are hysterical, DF.
And given their “logic” (LOL) the teletype also went kaput because it was inherently liberal and biased and evil.
Mark in mid-town
June 7th, 2012
10:58 am
Jay Bookman writes “The 8 percent prediction was made at a time when they thought GDP was declining at 3-4 percent. As they later learned, it was actually declining at more than twice that rate, but nobody had the numbers yet to determine it.”
———————————-
Let’s accept that the above is a legitimate excuse for why the unemployment rate didn’t remain below 8% and that the decline was a lot steeper than was thought at the time. But the Obama Administration didn’t just predict their stimulus would hold unemployment rate below 8%. They also gave projections about future unemployment rate, future workforce participation rate, and future job numbers. Under their projections, we were supposed to have 7 million or more jobs at this point in time. If the recession was far steeper than realized, then the corresponding recovery should have also been stronger than predicted since the recovery would have been off of a much lower base. But that hasn’t been the case. That the decline at the end of 2008 was steeper than was realized at the time is not the reason for why the recovery has been so abysmal since economic recoveries are supposed to be stronger after severe recessions than they are after less severe recessions. So what’s your explanation/excuse for that Mr. Bookman? If we had a Republican in the White House with such an abysmal recovery, what would you say?
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
10:58 am
so I take your omission of Obama’s hypocrisy/inconsistency with regards to the debt limit was a mere accident.
Did I say that? If not, then don’t put words into my mouth. I didn’t address Obama’s inconsistencies because, when the time came to deal with ideology or reality, he chose reality. That does make his earlier ideological stances look exceedingly stupid though. Anything else?
I guess I’m supposed to play the “Left did this” and “Right did this” thing huh? Is there something wrong with calling out one particular group for something they’ve done? I don’t see you pointing to the hypocrisy/inconsistencies of the Right for the same exact thing. Was your ommission of their’s an accident as well?
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
10:58 am
“The first step to curing alcoholism is to stop drinking…”
Then I would advise you to write Congressmen Ryan and ask him why his budget is pure BS…………
See CBO numbers as the barometer and gauge.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
10:59 am
Don’t Tread: And you have no problem with other people’s money going to the roads and bridges you use and the maintenance of such, and the maintenance of the telecommunications infrastructure you use to prattle on about how “other people’s money” is being used.
Talking Head
June 7th, 2012
11:00 am
Adam,
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/302031/obamas-third-party-history-stanley-kurtz#
getalife
June 7th, 2012
11:00 am
They are trying to repair w’s image.
Great timing.
By all means, lets talk about w.
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
11:00 am
Mr.Liberty – “The stimulus took money from the productive sector and gave to those who had fundamentally failed.”
Well damn, I want the $15 billion back from Georgia and the $21.14 back from Wisconsin. I refuse to support those who “fundamentally failed”!
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
11:01 am
Say what you want about the Ryan plan, at least he had the testicular fortitude to put it in writing.
And what he put in writing has a severe disconnect with what he said. His writing would not balance the budget before he dies, and he’s fairly young. It IS a road to prosperity, but not for American Prosperity.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
11:01 am
“The economics-challeneged among us refuse to admit that economic downturns average less than one year except when government intervenes to “help.” Read your history book and learn the truth.”–Ragnar the Wise
Yes but that doesn’t fit the Party Line that Jay is told to “push”.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
11:01 am
Blahblahblah — “@ Joe Hussien – I haven’t given Ryan’s plan a pass. I think he deserves credit for putting it out there for public consumption.”
When I asked you if you’d do the same for Obama if he had presented a budget with deficit spending, you said you’d have to look at it first. That looks like a double standard to me. Ryan gets your kudos for having stones, yet you wouldn’t do the same for Obama in the same situation.
“The president created a commission and then blew them off.”
I agree with that, but that’s not what I asked you about.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
11:01 am
Talking (Point) Head
yeah the end of Obama is near, that is if you think 2016 is right around the corner
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
11:02 am
not a lack of revenue.
What a crock of elephant dung.
Dozens and dozens and dozens of gargantuan US corporations, making mind boggling, RECORD profits, as often as not, pay Uncle Sam NOTHING in feredal withholding taxes in any given year. And worse, even get HUGE refund checks, and you puke up that nonsense, about there being plenty of revenue, JKL2?
What is wrong with you anti-capitalist fake conservatives???
Class of '98
June 7th, 2012
11:03 am
Stimulus and TARP was a short-term solution. Having the treasury print enough money to provide every American with $1,000,000 would solve a lot of financial problems, too.
For about a day.
We’re not out of the woods in any fashion. We are emulating Greece with our public sector obligations.
The only question is whether the pinkos will loot and riot here like they did there when the house of cards ultimately collapses.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
11:03 am
BlahBlahBlah: Don’t suppose you’d like to actually talk about the point I was making, instead of the distraction you presented?
Talking Head
June 7th, 2012
11:04 am
Just wondering when we go into another recession either later this year or early next year, will we have another round of stimulus, quantitative easing, tax cuts, all of the above?
getalife
June 7th, 2012
11:04 am
They know if they tell the truth they will lose.
They had to cheat with money to win in Wisconsin.
They are trying to cheat by purging voters in this election.
They have to cheat.
real john
June 7th, 2012
11:05 am
I’m sure these are the same economists who continue to be “shocked” at the dismal monthly employment and GDP numbers every month for the past three years.
Most of these economists are complete jokes…they continue to be far off based. I’m guessing a lot of these economists aren’t don’t exactly vote conversative/Republican either.
Again, Jay is just using diversion from the real truth; Obama has been in power for 3 1/2 years and the economy is still in the toliet and our defeceit continue to grow substainally.
I mean, of course, if you spend a trillion dollars it HAS TO help some. The question is, did he help enough to offset the trillion dollars the Dems just added to their children and grandchildren’s bill?
The tea party is the only responsible people trying to reign in spending. The Dems just act like money falls out of the sky. Its kind of like Greece and France who just refuse to admit they are spending too much. The party doesn’t last forever.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
11:05 am
Talking Head: No stimulus and no tax cuts since that requires agreement of a supermajority. The quantitative easing is a FED function, so that will continue, but I don’t think it can be made any better than it is.
btw, ING agrees with Krugman’s outline for increasing GDP in countries instead of austerity measures. Just FYI.
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
11:06 am
“Was your ommission of their’s an accident as well?”
no, but then again, I didn’t call only one side hypocritical. I merely added perspective to your original comment doing that.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
11:06 am
“The only question is whether the pinkos will loot and riot here like they did there when the house of cards ultimately collapses.”
All the agri business that receives subsidies, big oil who gets massive tax breaks and all the companies that RELY on government for contracts are “pinkos”?
Kindergarten class of 98 or was that 2008?
getalife
June 7th, 2012
11:09 am
This me generation is the worst generation of Americans.
Your kids are watching you lie and cheat so they will too.
So don’t punish your kids cons.
They are just acting like you.
American values and all that crap.
Class of '98
June 7th, 2012
11:09 am
Republicas “cheat” by trying to remove ineligible voters from voting rolls.
Gotta love it.
By the way, since when can money vote? I thought they only allowed human beings in the voting booth.
Money doesn’t even have opposable thumbs.
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
11:10 am
Jay touts the success of TARP. Surely I thought Amvet, showing his OWS bona fides, would rage against the machine…Instead we get more Conservative name calling…shocker!
Welcome to the Occupation
June 7th, 2012
11:10 am
real john:
“dismal monthly employment and GDP numbers every month for the past three years”
Dismal in comparison to WHAT? The jobs numbers that were in free fall when George W. Bush left office? Those numbers? You apparently don’t know what you’re talking about.
“Its kind of like Greece and France who just refuse to admit they are spending too much”
The predicament of Greece and that of France have nothing to do with each other, other than the fact that they’re both bound together in an insane, suicide pact otherwise known as the Eurozone. But of all the Euro zone countries now facing difficulties, Greece is one of the only ones who had a problem with “spending”. As anyone knows who’s gone beyond childish Tea Party rhetoric, the problem of the Euro zone has NOTHING to do with “overspending”.
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
11:10 am
JKL2 – “The studies I’ve seen have said something in the 12-13% range. The problem is wasteful spending, not a lack of revenue.”
Very good. Now, how do you propose we get everyone to kick in? Your position is that everyone should get to keep their own money and eliminate the middleman. How will you ensure that everyone is giving enough to sustain that 12-13% if we simply move to a voluntarily contribution system?
Jay
June 7th, 2012
11:10 am
“The economics-challeneged among us refuse to admit that economic downturns average less than one year except when government intervenes to “help.”
That is just so damn silly.
It’s like arguing that all wounds treated with a Band Aid heal faster. That may be true, because all wounds treated with a Band Aid are small.
But it doesn’t mean a gash two inches deep and six inches long would heal more quickly with only a Band Aid.
Seriously, the depth of economic sophistication and basic logic expressed here sometimes alarms me.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
11:13 am
Why bother engaging with liars?
What is the point?
They have no honesty or values.
They think politics is a joke.
Marginalize these kooks.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
11:13 am
Liberal Hate talk radio host shows the Liberal true colors…
http://now.msn.com/now/0606-bill-press-hates-national-anthem
St Simons- island destination of Ga Republicans and their bribe monay
June 7th, 2012
11:13 am
I almost want to turn coat and work for the Republicans now.
They are pretty much insuring Democratic presidents Barack &
Hillary through 2024, by which time they won’t exist anymore,
we’ll have meddycare for all, and josef will have been married 10 years.
I’m working on slogans for them –
‘Aspiring to Somalia’
‘Feudalism – its out of the box (you live in)!’
‘Homeschool our chiddren & we won’t need roads either!’ win-ning!
see, no banjo metaphors
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 7th, 2012
11:14 am
The only thing Republicans are working harder at than removing women’s rights is trying to find ways not to do the mandated cuts to defense spending. They aren’t interested in cutting the deficit, they are interested in making the rich richer by law.
DawgDad
June 7th, 2012
11:16 am
“In another crisis, GOP would let economy collapse”
Yeah, right. Are we SURE the Democrats won’t let the economy collapse in THIS crisis? And whose “economy” are we talking about? The US? Europe? Union and public sector workers? My unemployed neighbor who’s underwater on his mortgage? My retirement account, watered down by QE and inflation and eyed greedily by the Democrats?
USMC
June 7th, 2012
11:17 am
“Seriously, the depth of economic sophistication and basic logic expressed here sometimes alarms me.” –Economist Jay Bookman
Says Jay Bookman, who routinely espouses the Socialist Party platform of “spread the wealth” and “soak the rich” nonsense! LOL!
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 7th, 2012
11:17 am
“Seriously, the depth of economic sophistication and basic logic expressed here sometimes alarms me.”
But the fact is, that’s how it is. They don’t know what they are talking about and don’t want to learn…all because their keepers tell them to ignore the man behind the curtain…sadly, they do.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
11:17 am
They cut nothing and the cons cheer them on.
So much for the tea party standing up.
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
11:18 am
ty, why are you so obsessed with Americans utilizing their god given right and glorious tradition to peacefully protest?
Do you favor removing that clause in the First Amendment to the US Constitution altogether?
What exactly bothers/scares you so much about that?
And secondly why are you so content/scared to sit back and not only do nothing at all about injustice, but to make up wholesale malicious lies about the Americans who do?
I’d really love to read your “explanations”.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
11:19 am
dawgdad,
Way to give your party a free pass and want the dems to save your jobs again.
GT
June 7th, 2012
11:19 am
Public education is not dead in ten years. Unlike wars with ghost, and the drug Nazis, this is a real need not served in this country. I have noticed in recruiting of football the academic schools doing better in the last year or two on recruiting minority athletes, that no longer consider a scholarship to Cow U as inviting as Harvard or Vanderbilt. Having a black president has not hurt this definition of success either.
It is despite the anti educational south and red states that prop up the Republican Party that this is happening. Education is local politics. Our local Republican party is so corrupt this vehicle has only meant another pocket for them to loot. They ,seriously, in their own thinking do not care nor think education of minorities is necessary or achievable but the money that flows through those systems is like an alcoholic in a liquor store. To make it viable would mean the Fog Horn Leghorn politician would loss his control of something he should have never been in charge of in the first place. The need is a truth that no matter how smothered will keep poking out, as a handicap to citizens of this state. When the minorities start becoming more educated than the majority which is slowly happening the answer won’t be to throw the school system away, but to fix it.
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
11:21 am
Jamvet,
somethings some Occusquatters have said regarding TARP I agree with(blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then). Just seems in this instance, you don’t.
Don't Tread
June 7th, 2012
11:22 am
“And you have no problem with other people’s money going to the roads and bridges you use and the maintenance of such, and the maintenance of the telecommunications infrastructure you use to prattle on about how “other people’s money” is being used.”
Nope…sure don’t.
I do, however, have a problem with MY money being used to fund scamsters like ACORN.
I also have a problem with MY money being used to bail out people who make bad business decisions and then give themselves a big fat bonus after the fact.
I also have a problem with MY money being given to worthless people who don’t want to pay their own way through life and think it’s someone else’s responsibility to pay their way.
I also have a problem with MY money being used to purchase guns for Mexican drug cartels so the liberals can use the resulting bloodshed to destroy MY rights.
I could go on all day.
But I don’t expect you to understand the difference between maintaining infrastructure and spending money on stupid stuff.
Class of '98
June 7th, 2012
11:23 am
“n their own thinking do not care nor think education of minorities is necessary”
Were you describing Republicans or the minorities themselves?
You may have heard, some of them think getting an education is akin to selling out.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
11:24 am
Your hero w agreed with TARP with no strings attached.
paulson wrote the plan on one sheet of paper and all they had to do was sign it to get bailed out .
Tundra Dude
June 7th, 2012
11:24 am
Mighty Righty:
Please note I said employed “today” not “was”. I know a “few” jobs were created at the time the stimulous was spent. My question is how many “today” are still working.
Hard to tell how many. They’re out there, but they’re not wearing brightly-colored jumpsuits with “Stimulus Worker” on them. At a senior cit highrise, there’s a remodeling project, with sign out front, mentioned AARA project.
trivia: China did the same stimulus thing, only bigger, equal to $1.2 trillion if their GDP were the same size as ours.
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
11:26 am
no, but then again, I didn’t call only one side hypocritical. I merely added perspective to your original comment doing that.
Well, given that the topic and discussion was centered around the GOP and Obama does not belong to the GOP, I don’t see how injecting him into my line of thought or discussion would have aided my point any. However, if you thought that I was merely being partisaned, then you are forgiven for your mistake. I was simply discussing the topic.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
11:27 am
Mighty Righty
Do you actually think that employers are telling people in an interview this job is a “stimulus” job?
Really?
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
11:28 am
So, webb, you favor prohibiting them from protesting, altogether, yes?
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
11:28 am
Brosephus,
what, you partisan? no…never…ever…
getalife
June 7th, 2012
11:28 am
The cons never want to talk about their failed corrupt party.
Their knee jerk reaction is Obama, the dems, libs….
They are a joke.
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
11:29 am
Jamvet,
protesting? no…raping? yes…defecating in the street?yes
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
11:30 am
Also, I would like you to clarify your speculative statements about my position on TARP, ty. Because I do not understand them at all…
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
11:31 am
T. Webb — “no, but then again, I didn’t call only one side hypocritical. I merely added perspective to your original comment doing that.”
I’m on record here *repeatedly* calling both sides’ economic performance into question. I’ve frequently said that I’m disappointed in Obama’s performance in that regard.
That said, the GOP’s done no better and hasn’t lived up to it’s own rhetoric with respect to fiscal discipline.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 7th, 2012
11:31 am
Don’t Tread:
“I do, however, have a problem with MY money being used to fund scamsters like ACORN”
Do you have a problem with it being used for scamsters like ALEC?
“I also have a problem with MY money being used to bail out people who make bad business decisions”
Then you’re in a miserable predicament indeed. To be consistent you must declare war on ALL current politics, both Democratic and Republican, as it was a BIPARTISAN consensus extending from the late administration of George W. Bush into the current one to bail out financial institutions and save them insolvency after engaging in the most wild of speculation and often in outright fraud.
“I also have a problem with MY money being given to worthless people who don’t want to pay their own way through life”
Again, you make no sense. If this were true, then you must by definition oppose the propping up of the rentier class by the GOP.
The corporate and financier class who own both our parties are the very definition of “not paying their own way”. They socialize risk, and privatize profits.
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
11:31 am
So, you have no issues at all with the 99+% of peaceful protesters, correct?
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
11:32 am
Jamvet,
I apologize for speculating on your position…I should’ve just asked if you supported it or not.
2cents
June 7th, 2012
11:32 am
extremes point is that you dont show the bottom of the cbo number. yes you say its the highest with As many as but you sit here and right an article solely based on the fact that the evil republicans would take a “puritan like pleasure” in watching the economy go down. when in fact that is far from the case they would probably do something similar with more tax cutting and less money funneled into the state and local governments and both sides would play politics with whatever happened just as they are now. But back to extreme.. his point is your not stating all the facts here. You do not say anything that is untrue but you push the article to fit your needs instead of giving both sides a fair shake. and then you attack him over comprehension over 4 or 5 letters in the article that you say is enough for everyone to understand its the high side but the truth is people look at numbers and skim when reading.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
11:32 am
They know they lose every argument if they told the truth.
They know austerity failed in Europe but can’t tell the truth.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
11:32 am
USMC — “Liberal Hate talk radio host shows the Liberal true colors…”
If you’d actually been watching or listening when he said that, you’d recognize how full of doodoo that article is.
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
11:33 am
BTW, I have seen references to OWS “rapes” repeatedly here?
Do you know how many there were?
And do you have any links to corroborate these crimes and prosecutions?
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
11:35 am
what, you partisan? no…never…ever…
Well, according to many here, I’m one of those extreme liberals. Who cares what people here think about me though, because I really don’t. I simply go along with whatever the discussion is about. There’s more than enough bs going on on either side to write novels about.
I’m out, but for those of you who like to swim in the ocean, be careful out there….
http://www.ouramazingplanet.com/2998-bull-shark-picture.html
USMC
June 7th, 2012
11:35 am
“So much for the tea party standing up.”
I guess Getalife fell asleep after before the Tea Party victory in Wisconsin the other night!
A dad
June 7th, 2012
11:36 am
Let’s lighten things up, shall we? For a chuckle, Google “Keynes Hayek rap”. Guess some clever, but obviously bored, studenets at GWU made up a rap video featuring Lord Keynes rapping against F.A. Hayek about economic models. Entertaining, and perhaps even instructive.
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
11:36 am
jamvet,
I have no problem with peaceful protests…even one’s I disagree with ideologically.
St Simons - fundraising for the Republican museum exhibit
June 7th, 2012
11:37 am
When does it stop being deliberate sabotage and start being terrorism?
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
11:38 am
JHM
I’m the partisaned one that he was talking about despite the number of times I’ve stated that I don’t give a sh*t about either party. I guess that when you’re discussing something about the GOP that you don’t like when the topic is on the GOP, you have to throw Obama or the Democrats into the conversation just to prove that you’re not overly partisaned. I personally don’t like to bring up stuff that has nothing to do with my point, but in the future, I will be sure to bash Obama and/or Democrats everytime I’m saying something related to the GOP topic.
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
11:38 am
Did I support TARP?
Of course not.
I’m old school, I believe in making the criminals, not the victims, pay for their crimes.
A tiny .5% tax on derivative trades, etc would have raised approximately $500Billion. Virtually enough to fund the “bailout”…
Additionally, grand juries should have been empaneled to determine if indictments against these white collar criminals were warranted and whether they should have been prosecuted.
Is that the answer you wee looking for? (grin)
Tundra Dude
June 7th, 2012
11:41 am
The economics-challenged among us refuse to admit that economic downturns average less than one year except when government intervenes to “help.”
Imo, this challenged person hasn’t noticed this not an average “downturn”.
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
11:41 am
One last HUGE aspect of the TARP situation that I forgot to mention.
That King George and the US Congress did not demand BIG and long overdue changes from the banksters – when they had them over a barrel – was an unforgivable sell out of the American people, taxpayers, shareholders and consumers.
And among numerous other reasons why I believe that George W. bush was one of the very worst presidents of all time…
Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you love congestion
June 7th, 2012
11:41 am
“Seriously, the depth of economic sophistication and basic logic expressed here sometimes alarms me.”
Oh I reached that point long ago with people of both stripes on here, but mostly the libs
Common Sense
June 7th, 2012
11:41 am
“They know austerity failed in Europe but can’t tell the truth.”
They have not even had austerity yet.
zeke
June 7th, 2012
11:42 am
More government employees does not equal new jobs! GM should have been allowed to go through a standard Chapter 11 reorganization which would have at least given bond and stockholders a percentage of their investment instead of completely wiping it out! And to GIVE a large ownership position to the unions was CRIMINAL! So, with the unemployment rate under W. always in the 3 to 5% range, you think we are better off now? IN NO DRUG INDUCED UNIVERSE! OBOZO, REID, PEKOSI, DODD, SHUMER, FRANK AND EVERY OTHER LEFT WING SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT MUST BE REMOVED FROM ANY OFFICE!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
11:43 am
So, with the unemployment rate under W. always in the 3 to 5% range…
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you love congestion
June 7th, 2012
11:44 am
Usmc 11:13 fair point
Bookman hardly has room to criticize others on economic literacy
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
11:45 am
“They have not even had austerity yet.”
Really?
They have not even had austerity yet.
ty webb
June 7th, 2012
11:45 am
Jamvet,
so this line by jay, “Today’s conservative congressional majority also bitterly opposes TARP…”, would be something you would commend conservatives for?
saywhat?
June 7th, 2012
11:45 am
“Oh I reached that point long ago with people of both stripes on here, but mostly the libs”
said the four year old sitting at the grown up table.
OBG !!
June 7th, 2012
11:46 am
Jay, you are one big liberal idiot. I will gladly read your miserable excuses when Obama is sent packing in November. Wisconsin shows me that people are tired of left wing crap, like yours.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
11:46 am
zeke
“More government employees does not equal new jobs”
So when Candidate Romney says he wants to add 100,000 to the Army, what do you say? “Fine, those guys don’t do real jobs”?
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
11:46 am
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/yes-theres-been-austerity-in-europe/2012/05/08/gIQAQ1NsAU_blog.html
Obama is over
June 7th, 2012
11:46 am
From today’s WSJ:”…according to the seasonally adjusted jobs numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics in its household survey, 100,000 is the net increase in U.S. jobs since January of 2009 when Obama took office.” Your 3.3mm job creation number conveniently starts in March of 2010 and ignores the first 13 months of the Obama administration. If Obama’s economic policies have been so successful, how is it that GOP governors have been able to turn their States around in two years by not following the tax and spend strategy? But,but ,but Bush handed them the worst economy since the Great Depression! Much worse than we thought! We will need at least 8 years to turn around a credit crisis! Europe is a drag on exports! The Republicans are obstructionists! The GOP wants to prevent women from getting birth control! Requiring picture id’s to vote, buy alcohol, and check out library books discriminates against minorities! I killed bin Laden! I will close Gitmo! Private equity is evil! Trayvon looks like my son and it is o.k. if he wants to marry another man! The only economic policy in Obama’s quiver is to borrow money from other people and the problem is that they are about tapped out. Scary stat of the week: a 1% increase in the 10 year treasury interest rate adds 1 TRILLION in debt service to our outstanding debt. The CBO has been using 2.7% as their baseline interest rate assumption. The historical average is twice that. One thing is certain- interest rates will eventually go up and Obama is just kicking the can down the road for the next generation to worry about.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
11:47 am
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/may/08/austerity-europe-what-does-it-mean
Don't Forget
June 7th, 2012
11:48 am
Paul,
This is what ideologues do. It does not matter their level of education or experience. They latch onto something they want to believe and will hold to it, no matter the evidence to the contrary.
Thanks for that astute observation. We have a battle of ideological purity going on today brought on by politically driven hubris. A good illustration of this was last night when one poster claimed that Milton Friedman was an idiot who had been totally refuted and another poster who claimed that anyone who thought that Friedman was an idiot is in fact themselves an idiot. Friedman made some astute observations regarding the economy but he ultimately discredited himself in an attempt to make his observations sound like universal truths. IMO, there are no universal truths in economics. While Keynes’s observation that inflation leads to lower unemployment was shown to NOT be a universal truth with the stagflation of the late 70’s, Friedman’s monetary policies were likewise abandoned in the early 80’s in favor of Keynesian stimulus. His contention that monetary stimulus is adequate to solve economic downturns is being discredited right in front of our eyes as we look at trilions of dollars in the hands of corporations just sitting on the sidelines. Likewise, Friedman’s contention regarding the value of deregulation and free markets was born out in many instance’s but it has been a failure in others. Again, this was because his attempt to portray his ideas as universal truth’s forced him to refute the idea that monopolies can exist, that business corruption can rule the day and that the days of the robber barons never existed. He was incorrect IMO to pursue such ideological purity and we are seeing a repetition of the conditions he claimed never existed.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
11:49 am
OBG !!
Did that begin when you were in, what, the third grade and the teacher asked you a question that left you flummoxed you said “you’re an idiot!!!”
It’s never too late to change, ya’ know -
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
11:49 am
One thing is certain- interest rates will eventually go up…
Since they are at an effective 0% right now, where else would they go?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
11:49 am
Brosephus — “I’m the partisaned one that he was talking about despite the number of times I’ve stated that I don’t give a sh*t about either party.”
IMO, a dispassionate look at the data demonstrates that both Obama and Bush have done a s**tty job when it comes to the economy and job creation. Both spent like drunken sailors on liberty (for different reasons) and both have poor job numbers. What burns my bacon is when someone who CLEARLY is shilling for the GOP crows about how crappy Obama’s economy is and then argues with you when you call his own party’s performance into question. Doom is particularly bad about this.
I don’t want a Bush economy OR an Obama economy. I didn’t vote for Bill Clinton, but I’d like an economy like that; improved employment, budget surpluses and fairly low interest rates. And I don’t think that saying that means that I’m automatically against hearing Republican ideas.
Look, it’s clear that both parties have their heads up their collective butts on this. Neither one wants to give an inch, and here we are, stuck in the middle. So how about we drop the partisan bulldada about pet projects and sacred cows and talk instead with SERIOUSNESS about how to address the problem.
I’ve proposed something here several times, and each time, conservative posters say ‘I could get behind that, but Congress would never go for it.’ How about we recognize that both major parties are f*cked up and we try to discuss the problem like adults — since Congress can’t seem to do it?
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
11:51 am
Oblama
Actually when looking at the states with the lowest unemployment rates it is a mixture of blue and red states, but don’t let facts get in the way of your talking points memo.
Carry on
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
11:51 am
Zeke — “So, with the unemployment rate under W. always in the 3 to 5% range”
Because the labor force was *shrinking* under President Bush. Job growth under Bush failed even to keep pace with population growth for 75% of his term.
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
11:54 am
ty, I am fully aware that it was primarily congressional Democrats who were complicit and I’ve excoriated them as total sell outs.
Moreover, I have written repeatedly that any Democrat who voted yes to authorize Bush to invade Iraq would never get my vote.
Not that I would probably vote for any of them anyway!
Road Scholar
June 7th, 2012
11:55 am
I just love the responses from the people in a “parallel universe” who state that their opinion is better than the majority of experts.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
11:56 am
Don’t Forget
Those are some good points. “Ideological purity” sounds to me a lot like one-upmanship carried to the ridiculous. “sign a purity pledge” “that’s not good enough, I’ll pledge to remain pure forever, even when I get married, and any kids we have will be created in a lab!!!!!!”
One reason people may have trouble with some economic theorists (notice ‘theorists” not ‘factualists”) is because, even though they may paint themselves as Universal Truth, their theories hold in some situations and not others. Heck, even social and cultural factors can cause their model to break down.
I’ll offer some people will reject that, because as we’ve seen here, they operate much more confidently (delusionally? as JamVet would say) when they have two simple, opposed choices and they can pick one and never, ever change.
Jefferson
June 7th, 2012
11:58 am
Rising interest rates would act as stimulus.
Scooter
June 7th, 2012
11:58 am
Now we can see how Wall Street embraces the moral hazard created by too-big-to-fail and TARP. That will give you plenty to gripe about for years to come
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
11:59 am
As for the incorrect perception that I am such a big Democrat, I also lambasted that awful Max Baucus for locking out any and all single payer voices from the healthcare hearings.
Quite a few people now call themselves “independents”, but when it comes right down to it, I am one of a small handful who is truly a non-Republican/non-Democrat.
Out of the past five presidential elections, I have voted against both the D and R candidates.
And will do so again in November…
http://www.voterocky.org/
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
12:02 pm
redact my last to read four out of five…
I voted for Clinton in 1996…
UNCLE SAMANTHA
June 7th, 2012
12:03 pm
WOW
NOTICE THAT UNDER DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED CONGRESSES THE DEBT INCREASES AND UNDER REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED ONES THEY DECLINE OR HOLD STEADY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Federal_Debt_as_Percent_of_GDP_Color_Coded_Congress_Control_and_Presidents_Highlighted.png
Jefferson
June 7th, 2012
12:03 pm
One has to replace congresspeople who don’t get the job done. Party does not matter, results does. If you elect someone who can’t work together vote them out, vote for the other party. Party before performance is the problem.
Common Sense isn't very Common- UFA
June 7th, 2012
12:03 pm
USMC@
10:54 am
AHA! We now have discovered that Normal Thug AND Getalife are the same person.
——————————————————
Getalife Ain’t Normal
Road Scholar
June 7th, 2012
12:04 pm
Don’t forget: Good post!
Many people on this and other AJC blogs think, or act as if (do they really think?), that a recession that began under Bush’s 2nd term could have been turned off by a flick of the switch. You can’t turn a ship on a dime and neither can you instantaneously set policy to reverse the economic death spiral we were in. For those who disagree, go to the top of a skyscraper and jump off. When you get to the floor you want to stop on, do it. Get my point?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 7th, 2012
12:05 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common- UFA
June 7th, 2012
12:03 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
12:06 pm
U. Samantha — “NOTICE THAT UNDER DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED CONGRESSES THE DEBT INCREASES AND UNDER REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED ONES THEY DECLINE OR HOLD STEADY”
“Deficits don’t matter.”
–VP Dick Cheney
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:10 pm
Jay:
Nothing about WISCONSIN today ?
Michael
June 7th, 2012
12:10 pm
The financial meltdown that started under Bush included an overall decline in housing values of 35% (Case Schiller index), or $7 Trillion. The Stock market crash that started under Bush also included a decline of about $8 Trillion. So, the balance sheet of America declined $15 Trillion, or one full year of economic output. Those are the macro numbers and indicate why Americans started putting their money under the pillow rather than spend it.
The micro numbers would include driving up Peachtree Industrial in 2009 and counting the closed auto dealerships. Today, they are once again open and thriving. The country was lacking confidence in 2009, just as it was during the early years of the depression. Consumer confidence is slowly increasing from record low levels.
Suggesting chapter 11 for a company with manufacturing plants on several continents and active in more countries than there are twits on this blog would be a foolhardy exercise. Or perhaps you haven’t noticed the Germans’ reaction to economic problems in other countries.
Glass Steagal worked so well that we didn’t know banks could have big problems until after Glass Steagal was repealed.
weetamoe
June 7th, 2012
12:10 pm
In an interview with Rachel Maddow Nancy Pelosi conceded that the key to democrat success in 2006 was their resistance to entreaties to offer their own plan to make social security sustainable. Without the democrat’s own plan attacks against Bush had more resonance. Fact. Verifiable. And so it goes….
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:11 pm
MORNING DEVOTIONAL:
“Obama: ‘If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a ONE-TERM (emphasis added) proposition.’ 2/2/09″
USMC
June 7th, 2012
12:11 pm
“Bookman hardly has room to criticize others on economic literacy”
You offer free Econ 101 seminars for the simpleton socialist wannabes here on Bookman’s blog everyday. Shouldn’t Jay be paying you your FAIR share?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:13 pm
Kammie:
“One thing is certain- interest rates will eventually go up…
Since they are at an effective 0% right now, where else would they go?”
HIgher taxes effectively equals minus 1.5 !
Paul
June 7th, 2012
12:15 pm
Scout
““Obama: ‘If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a ONE-TERM (emphasis added) proposition.’ 2/2/09″
Was the full scope of the financial situation known by anyone on 2 Feb 09?
n
June 7th, 2012
12:16 pm
Nihilism.
There is no other word for it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:16 pm
Headline: “ROMNEY CASH HAUL TOPS OBAMA”
Oh the horror ! Even with Hollywood in Obama’s pocket !
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
12:16 pm
Nothing about WISCONSIN today ?
You mean that the Democrats gained control of the state House of Representatives because of the recall election?
Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)
June 7th, 2012
12:17 pm
Jay – How much more money are we going to keep borrowing, 20 Trillion, 30 Trillion, 40 Trillion, etc. This is the path liberals want us to go down, they have no concern for the future of our children or grandchildren! They only think of right now. What ever happened to Pres J Kennedy famous words “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country”! He was the last great Democrat!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USMC
June 7th, 2012
12:17 pm
Romney out raises Obama…
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/07/us-usa-campaign-fundraising-idUSBRE8560UG20120607
The Tidal Wave of Common Sense is swelling!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:18 pm
Paul:
Ever heard the phrase “no new taxes” and what it cost the “sayee” ???
“Obama: ‘If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a ONE-TERM (emphasis added) proposition.’ 2/2/09″
That’s Obama’s problem as he was either stupid enough (or I think arrogant enough) to make that statement !
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
12:18 pm
Nothing about WISCONSIN today ?
blogspot.com is ready when you are.
Create your own blog.
Choose your own topic.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
12:18 pm
“You mean that the Democrats gained control of the state House of Representatives because of the recall election?”
Not surprised that this is the takeaway from Wisconsin.
Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you love congestion
June 7th, 2012
12:19 pm
“I am one of a small handful who is truly a non-Republican/non-Democrat”
Hilarious. Around 1/3 of america is registered independent. Jamvet and 80 million other Americans.
Jamvet is really bad at math…. Not breaking news though
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:19 pm
JamVet:
Hang on to that ! It’s like the losing team having better looking uniforms !
Speed Racer
June 7th, 2012
12:19 pm
“…because of the stimulus, the U.S. unemployment rate was lower at the end of 2010 than it would have been otherwise” does not equate to “…without TARP the entire global financial sector would have imploded upon itself.” That’s a giant leap, Jay.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:20 pm
Kammie:
I chose my topic ……………… YOU!
OBIWAN
June 7th, 2012
12:20 pm
Why is it so hard for these idiots, both parties, to balance the budget? If they are unable to balance the budget, vote them out. These idiots are like heroin addicts with our tax dollars. The only way to fix this is tough love, cut government spending and outlaw lobbyist … By the way Jay, the only people that think the stimulus worked are the unions that got bailed out, not the other 89% of the population, and why do I have to pay for any union retirement? If you put the US government in charge of the desert they would run out of sand….
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:21 pm
Holder: “Tense exchange as Attorney General Eric Holder gives series of ‘I don’t know’ answers to House Judiciary Committee probing whether he or anybody else in the Justice Department told the White House about so-called ‘gunwalking’ tactics.”
Actually, that was prettysmart of him. “I don’t know” or “I don’t remember” is a pretty good tactic to keep from getting indicted.
Jay
June 7th, 2012
12:22 pm
““NOTICE THAT UNDER DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED CONGRESSES THE DEBT INCREASES AND UNDER REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED ONES THEY DECLINE OR HOLD STEADY”
It’s important to note that Samantha’s “evidence” for the claim that “UNDER REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED ONES THE deficit DECLINEs OR HOLD STEADY” is one single time period, the period in which Bill Clinton was president, the period immediately following a tax-increase implemented by Clinton and Democrats that put us on a responsible fiscal path, a tax increase that Republicans were insisting would lead to economic calamity but in fact was followed by the longest period of economic expansion in our history.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:22 pm
OBIWAN :
Are you married ? Ever try to “balance the budget” with your spouse ???
Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you love congestion
June 7th, 2012
12:23 pm
Usmc I don’t have the power to tax jay
But if there was a “stupidity” tax, jay’s marginal rate would be over 50%
Paul
June 7th, 2012
12:23 pm
Scout
You never answered the question.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
12:24 pm
Tom — “Jay – How much more money are we going to keep borrowing, 20 Trillion, 30 Trillion, 40 Trillion, etc. This is the path liberals want us to go down”
Then why do all the Republican-sponsored budget plans involve continued deficit spending as well?
Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you love congestion
June 7th, 2012
12:24 pm
Jay would have more credibility if he didn’t post garbage like : Obama is a fiscal conservative
Jay
June 7th, 2012
12:25 pm
Obiwan, get some basic facts straight. For one, the stimulus had nothing to do with protecting union pensions. Nothing.
In addition, the taxpayer is already somewhat on the hook for protecting pensions, union and non-union alike, through the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, created back in the Nixon/Ford administration.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
12:25 pm
Obama’s juvenile joke?
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/06/obamas-risqu-joke-125518.html
Typical from an UNQUALIFIED Lacking. What next?
Is Obama going to ask us to pull his finger? Unbelievable.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
June 7th, 2012
12:26 pm
JAY
you imply that I do not support tax increases………….. you are wrong
i agree the tax rate during the GINGRICH years led to great growth
I say we go back to the GINGRICH tax years
John Birch
June 7th, 2012
12:26 pm
Obiwan – Mostly government employes and union workers. In the case fo the $21B WI got and some of the libs were whining about The Gov paying it back, most of that went to keeping the union government employee jobs. That’s exactly why the Gov ended their collective bargaining, so they could still have jobs and a balanced budget once the Fed handouts (stimulus) stopped.
OBIWAN
June 7th, 2012
12:26 pm
FYI the only “Fair Share” is the FairTax.org, it is truly fair, not the socialist progressive tax model…
Jay
June 7th, 2012
12:27 pm
“…because of the stimulus, the U.S. unemployment rate was lower at the end of 2010 than it would have been otherwise” does not equate to “…without TARP the entire global financial sector would have imploded upon itself.” That’s a giant leap, Jay.
Well, yes, it certainly is, given that those the TARP and stimulus are two separate actions with two separate outcomes. I did not try to equate them; YOU did.
Jim163
June 7th, 2012
12:27 pm
I have a question about Tarp, since it was essentially a loan was there a charge to the Treasury under Bush’s budget? And, if so, now that it has been paid back with interest, does that positively reflect on Obama’s budget forecasts?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:27 pm
Headline: “Michelle outdoes me in pushups as well,” he said, after saying that she’s taken some criticism on her technique “because she doesn’t go all the way down” – a line that he let hang, naughtily, provoking laughter from the crowd.”
Now that was VERY presidential.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
June 7th, 2012
12:28 pm
JAY
WHAT YOU CANT DENY IS THAT DEBT INCREASES WHEN DEMOCRTATS CONTROL CONGRESS
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
12:29 pm
“FYI the only “Fair Share” is the FairTax.org, it is truly fair”
Taxing someone who makes $30k the same as someone making $30 million?
Not even a little bit.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:30 pm
Paul:
Maybe he didn’t know the mess he wouldn’t continue to get us in but if so that shows either his “ignorance” or his “arrogance”.
Brings to mind the top of the NY Times Best Seller list:
“THE AMATEUR”, by Edward Klein
OBIWAN
June 7th, 2012
12:30 pm
Really, Jay, how much money did we give to the UAW to shore up their pension plan, to buy GM? Nothing correct Jay, Oh sorry i am wrong again that was some where in the 47 billion dollar amount of which only 30 billion was paid back, the rest went to union pensions…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
12:31 pm
I chose my topic ……………… YOU!
Creepy.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
12:31 pm
U. SAMANTHA — “WHAT YOU CANT DENY IS THAT DEBT INCREASES WHEN DEMOCRTATS CONTROL CONGRESS”
ALL YR WALLET AR BELONG TOO US
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
12:33 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:27 pm
Dude, you whine about everything. Mitt has NO personality whatsoever if he isn’t talking about MONEY. ZERO.
Bruno
June 7th, 2012
12:33 pm
Most Republicans cannot bring themselves to admit it, but by any definition the Obama stimulus worked, pulling the economy out of a death spiral that probably would have resulted in a far-worse economic crisis. It’s also pretty damn clear that if similar circumstances should arise again, this Congress would refuse to act as it did three years ago. To the contrary, they would sit back and applaud as it all comes tumbling down around our ears.
Jay–Maybe it’s hard for you to fathom, but reasonable people can disagree. Your constant demonization of Conservatives/Republicans reveals a different attitude on your part. According to you, Cons exist in some parallel reality, and would actually take pleasure in seeing others suffer simply to harm the Dems. Doesn’t reflect well on you as a journalist or a person IMO.
Don't Forget
June 7th, 2012
12:34 pm
Paul, I think the problem of ideological purity results partly from politics but also from human nature’s desire for simplistic solutions, a black/white world view that refuses to acknowledge the shades of gray we see all around us.
Road Scholar, I’m a doc. If I treated all my patients the same way, some would get better with my treatment, some would die, some would get worse but stil survive despite my treatment. I would reason that I didn’t treat the ones that died aggressively enough and make the same argument for those that had a very slow recovery. Economics is very similar to this.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
12:36 pm
Enter your comments here
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
12:36 pm
FYI the only “Fair Share” is the FairTax.org…
The FairTax is a piece of crap legislation that can’t get out of committee no matter which party chairs it.
There’s your sign.
OBIWAN
June 7th, 2012
12:36 pm
Peadawg, wake up and do the math, I know that liberals don’t do math well so I will give you an example, at consumption of 20% tax a person would pay $6000 in taxes, but the person that makes 30 million would pay 6 million in taxes, so how is that not fair? By the way if you could read the proposed FairTax the person making $30,000 would get a prebate tax check from the government and essentially pay no taxes, so please tell me how that is not fair?
Jay
June 7th, 2012
12:36 pm
Samantha, would those “Gingrich” tax rates be the same rates that Gingrich bitterly opposed, predicting that they “will in fact kill the current recovery and put us back in a recession. It might take 1 1/2 or 2 years, but it will happen.”
The one that Dick Armey condemned, saying “The impact on job creation is going to be devastating.”
The one that John Kasich, now governor of Ohio, warned would “put the economy in the gutter” and “kill jobs”.
Would those be the “Gingrich” tax rates to which you refer?
You guys are shameless. Mitt Romney saved the auto industry, conservatives dominated the civil rights movement and “Gingrich tax rates” balanced the budget.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
12:37 pm
Scout 12:30
That’s twice you did not answer ““Was the full scope of the financial situation known by anyone on 2 Feb 09?””
Did your Secret Service superiors let you off the hook when you wouldn’t answer a twice-asked question?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
12:38 pm
Bruno — “Maybe it’s hard for you to fathom, but reasonable people can disagree. Your constant demonization of Conservatives/Republicans reveals a different attitude on your part. According to you, Cons exist in some parallel reality, and would actually take pleasure in seeing others suffer simply to harm the Dems. Doesn’t reflect well on you as a journalist or a person IMO.”
Physician, heal thyself.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
12:38 pm
The FairTax is a piece of crap legislation that can’t get out of committee no matter which party chairs “it.”
Right…. and the CONs keep selling ya’ll a dream that THEY themselves with a majority in the HOUSE wont even pull up for a vote.
Soothsayer
June 7th, 2012
12:38 pm
OH! GOOD! I smell a FairTax cat fight coming on!
Look out, Jay! The “post-o-meter” is about to go off the charts.
carlosgvv
June 7th, 2012
12:38 pm
Winston Churchill said, in effect that “Democracy is a very bad form of Government but I ask you never to forget all the others are so much worse”. Most of you here will swell up with pride when reading this. Unfortunately, few of you will understand what he’s really saying. He’s saying the best we humans can do is to come up with a very bad form of Government. In other words, we are not really capable of governing ourselves properly. This is why politics here and in the rest of the world will always be a greed driven ugly mess.
OBIWAN
June 7th, 2012
12:38 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
You are right, the 77,000 pages of tax codes are just fine and don’t need to be changed, NOT!
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
12:39 pm
“Peadawg, wake up and do the math, I know that liberals don’t do math ”
LOL…. Cue the “I am not a liberal”.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
12:39 pm
OH NOES! THE DJIA HAS MOVED ANOTHER (^ POINTS TODAY! WE ARE DOOMED, DOOMED I TELLS YA!
What’s that you say?
It’s gone up 96 points?
Never mind.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
12:39 pm
Lets just lie without shame like the cons.
willard’s birth certificate is a fake,
He was born in Mexico and he is a illegal immigrant.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
12:40 pm
Scout
Why are your source of info so weak? They made the wording such so the gullible would eat it up. Bet you had two helping and are stuffed
Actual WH transcript below
I want to thank my wonderful friend who accepts a little bit of teasing about Michelle beating her in pushups — (laughter) — but I think she claims Michelle didn’t go all the way down. (Laughter.) That’s what I heard. I just want to set the record straight — Michelle outdoes me in pushups as well. (Laughter.) So she shouldn’t feel bad. She’s an extraordinary talent and she’s just a dear, dear friend — Ellen DeGeneres. Give Ellen a big round of applause. (Applause.)
But keep up your fantasy island diatribes……..
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
12:40 pm
OBIWAN — “You are right, the 77,000 pages of tax codes are just fine and don’t need to be changed, NOT!”
1) Construct straw man
2) Hulk smash straw man
3) Declare victory
4) PROFIT!
Jay
June 7th, 2012
12:40 pm
Obiwan, that wasn’t the stimulus, it was the auto rescue plan. Much of that money has been paid back, and in the end it will prove cheaper than paying all that additional unemployment benefits AND the federally guaranteed pensions.
But maybe you’re not interested in doing it cheaper, you just want to strip pensions from union workers and their families who earned it over 40 plus years of labor, leaving them penniless.
Common Sense
June 7th, 2012
12:41 pm
“Obiwan, get some basic facts straight. For one, the stimulus had nothing to do with protecting union pensions. Nothing.”
The bailout of GM certainly did.
Jim163
June 7th, 2012
12:41 pm
“It’s gone up 96 points”
Stock Market loves Walker Economics!
BeeJay
June 7th, 2012
12:41 pm
You’re wrong. The “stimulus” stimulated nothing. It was a huge WASTE of money. Quoting the Washington Post is valueless and goes a long way toward revealing your slant.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:41 pm
Paul:
Guess what ?
I don’t work for you pal !
“No new taxes !”
“Obama: “If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a ONE-TERM (emphasis added) proposition.”
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
June 7th, 2012
12:41 pm
Lets just lie without shame like the cons.
willard’s birth certificate is a fake,
He was born in Mexico and he is a illegal immigrant.
Agree. Also he is a Buddhist.
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
12:41 pm
“I know that liberals” – Funny. Someone who disagrees w/ Obiwan here is automatically a liberal.
“at consumption of 20% tax a person ” – Exactly. A person making 3k shouldn’t be taxed at the same rate as a person making 30 million.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
12:41 pm
You are right, the 77,000 pages of tax codes are just fine and don’t need to be changed, NOT!
I never said any of that, sport.
Why don’t you focus on what I did say rather than what you wish I had said, okay punkin?
getalife
June 7th, 2012
12:41 pm
The tax code is fair and willard never pays them.
OBIWAN
June 7th, 2012
12:42 pm
There is NOTHING fair about the tax code we have, the government uses it to punish people and companies it does not like and reward companies it does like, the FairTax would take that power away from the lobbyist and government, and that is bad? Please tell me how…
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
12:42 pm
Neocons place a whole lot of misguided value on words, that in and of themselves have very little value.
Yesterday a couple went off because of what the president didn’t say.
Today corporal goes off because of what he did.
What I care about is what he accomplishes, something that given the continued adoration of the previous president must be an odd concept to the supposed conservatives.
Look good and f&ck it all up and we’ll still praise you.
And to that point can someone explain why they went lockstep berserk when the First Lady announced her wonderful Lets Move campaign to combat child obesity?
JohnnyReb
June 7th, 2012
12:43 pm
There is discussion on how Obama put Health Care reform ahead of fixing the economy because it would give him a bigger legacy. No links on that, but I’m sure some will surface in the next few days and be tied to the SCOTUS decision.
Here’s more vetting on Obama. It will be interesting to see how this spins out. But…but…he’s not a socialist.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/302031/obamas-third-party-history-stanley-kurtz#
getalife
June 7th, 2012
12:43 pm
“Agree. Also he is a Buddhist.”
He eats babies too.
He says, “Get in my belly babies.”
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
12:43 pm
“LOL…. Cue the “I am not a liberal”.”
It’s a sad where if you disagree w/ a liberal, you’re automatically a “con” and vise-versa.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
12:43 pm
“Taxing someone who makes $30k the same as someone making $30 million?”
It’s is astonishing the lack of intelligence and common sense that is found on Jay’s blog.
I suppose this blogger doesn’t understand that people earning $30 million SPEND much more money than his $30k earner; therefore paying MUCH higher dollar figure in the taxes for goods, etc. It’s really a simple idea, the Fair Tax, that must be hard for those with deep seeded insecurities to grasp.
Tundra Dude
June 7th, 2012
12:43 pm
Nothing about WISCONSIN today ?
Good news for Walker. Under Wis law he can use his $1.5 million, leftover from the campaign for his Stay Out of the Slammer fund.
Also, no surprise the Reds won. They own the majority of the voting machines…
Funny stuff……in 42 counties this company provided Free voting machines, in exchange for their old ones…..
The programmer-wench was fired from a previous job for refusing to take the annual ethics test.
(Is this a great country, or what??)
Meet Command Central, the People in Charge of Wisconsin Voting Machines
(snipped)
Who is Command Central? Listed only as a P.O. box number on Storbeck’s card, on further investigation, Command Central’ s office can be found in Marketplace strip mall, 110 2nd Street South, Suite 300, in Waite Park, a suburb of St. Cloud, MN. They also are listed as doing business from suite 219 at this address. Coincidentally, Michelle Bachman’s campaign office is also located at this address, right down the hall in Suite 232.
GOP Rep. Pridemore admits machines can be hacked
getalife
June 7th, 2012
12:44 pm
willardcare is Obamacare but he will end it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:44 pm
They BOTH Suck:
Decide for yourself. Knock yourself out. I think he is crass.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/oliver-burkemans-blog/2012/jun/07/barack-obama-joebiden?newsfeed=true
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
12:44 pm
Jim163 — “Stock Market loves Walker Economics!”
Surely you are not suggesting that Governor Walker’s retention of his office is somehow affecting the stock market overall, are you?
Welcome to the Occupation
June 7th, 2012
12:45 pm
Common Sense: Re: Europe. “They have not even had austerity yet.”
Not sure, did you mean that as an ironic statement?
I would suspect if you were to take a walking tour through the city of Athens (Greece), parts of which are now patrolled by neo-Nazis looking for people who look too brown, you would be left with no doubt as to whether there’s been austerity there yet.
EJ Moosa
June 7th, 2012
12:45 pm
“willardcare is Obamacare but he will end it.”
getalife
June 7th, 2012
12:45 pm
willard is not one of us.
We need to get our country back from willard.
He was born on planet kolob.
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
12:45 pm
“Nothing about WISCONSIN today ?
You’re a day late.
Rightwing Troll
June 7th, 2012
12:45 pm
Speaking of obesity:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/06/04/the_decline_of_american_competitiveness
Rush is about as hard and manly a bowl of jello… that you wingnuts take your marching orders and let that psychopathic, serial divorcing, drug addict form your opinions for you is the mystery of the ages…
USMC
June 7th, 2012
12:45 pm
“But maybe you’re not interested in doing it cheaper, you just want to strip pensions from union workers and their families who earned it over 40 plus years of labor, leaving them penniless.”
Your days of Union Extortion are slipping away, sweetheart. You and your Socialist buddies are going to have to EARN your keep; not TAKE from others.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
12:46 pm
Scout
All ready decided when I read the OFFICIAL transcript, which of course was not the same as the one you posted.
But keep trying……
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
12:46 pm
JohnnyReb — “Here’s more vetting on Obama. It will be interesting to see how this spins out. But…but…he’s not a socialist.”
ROFLOL
As soon as I clicked on your link and the page came up, I got a popover ad BEGGING FOR DONATIONS. (laughing)
ZOMG SOSHULIZUM
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:46 pm
JohnnyReb:
Don’t look for the mainstream media to work on that …………. it’s the “Dan Rather only goes after Bush” syndrome.
“THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM IS AN AK-47 AIMED AT YOUR HEAD”
Quang Nguyen
Jay
June 7th, 2012
12:46 pm
Sooth, when conservative FairTax supporters can’t manage to muster enough support from a conservative House to even get as much as a committee hearing on the bill, I’m not going to waste my time on that nutty half-baked proposal either.
stands for decibels
June 7th, 2012
12:46 pm
Will the last FairTax dead ender please turn out the lights? thanks.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
12:47 pm
willard will raise taxes more than reagan.
John Birch
June 7th, 2012
12:47 pm
Well the Republican majority congress did pass the “Clinton” tax rates, Clinton just signed the bill. But the balanced budget of 2000 was primarily the result of 1) the booming soon to be busting on Bush’s watch dot.com bubble and , 2) no useless, extensive wars (Bosnia didn’t cost that much).
stands for decibels
June 7th, 2012
12:47 pm
oh noes Teh Vetting!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:47 pm
They BOTH suck:
Did the transcript have the “long pause” ……………………
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
12:48 pm
Scout
I was much more offended that a President would go to a National Press dinner and joke about where the WMDS were at, looking under tables and such while US servicemen were dying in Iraq
Guess we just see it different
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
June 7th, 2012
12:48 pm
Stock Market loves Walker Economics!
huh?
Republicans will cut pay and benefits for low paid civil servants and teachers in a heartbeat.
You know what they wont do. Raise taxes on the wealthy or cut military spending.
Sad.
Don't Forget
June 7th, 2012
12:48 pm
Here’s my proposal:
Lets “stimulate” the economy through work on the infrastructure. The projects we fund should ONLY be ones that we will have to fund eventually and should be the most urgent ones out there. This will increase short term deficits but will not increase long term spending. In fact it may reduce long term spending since infrastructure repair is more expensive when the infrastructure has fallen further into disrepair. In some cases, such as the electrical grid, there may also be efficiencies that are gained. And although there is the increase in short term spending it will be more productive and more stimulative than unemployment and food stamps because we will get something tangible beyond the purchase of the necessities of living.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:48 pm
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG:
Is there something you would like to debate ?
getalife
June 7th, 2012
12:48 pm
willard will start wwiii.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
12:49 pm
…the FairTax would take that power away from the lobbyist and government, and that is bad? Please tell me how…
The FairTax, if it ever does reach the floor for a vote, would not resemble what you have read from those two books you were tricked into buying.
By the time it is compromised by those lobbyists (that you claim would have no power) the only thing not exempt from a sales tax would be red plastic slinkies.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
12:50 pm
willard will reoccupy Iraq.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
12:51 pm
willard has zero expeirience.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
12:51 pm
More Racist Comments from Leftwing Livberals…
Chris Rock: ‘We Ignore the President’s Whiteness, But It’s There’
http://nation.foxnews.com/chris-rock/2012/06/07/chris-rock-we-ignore-presidents-whiteness-its-there
John Birch
June 7th, 2012
12:51 pm
Good arguments can be made for flat tax rates or progressive tax rates being “fair”. What definitely isn’t fair, are the regressive taxes we have now due to the SS cap, and the capital gains and dividends maximum rate. Jay’s owner, Anne Chambers Cox, makes about a billlion a year and pays a smaller percentage in taxes than I do. You know, like Romney.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
June 7th, 2012
12:52 pm
Your days of Union Extortion are slipping away, sweetheart. You and your Socialist buddies are going to have to EARN your keep; not TAKE from others.
Yes I mean how dare workers form Unions and demand better pay and benefits.
Especially firemen policemen and teachers. What do they ever do anyway?
They should take what they get and just shutup about it.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
12:52 pm
TBS — “I was much more offended that a President would go to a National Press dinner and joke about where the WMDS were at, looking under tables and such while US servicemen were dying in Iraq”
That pizzed me off mightily. IMO, he was essentially saying ‘yeah, the WMD argument was just an excuse and WTH are you going to do about it?’
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
12:52 pm
Scout
Read what you posted and match it up with the OFFICIAL transcript..
It is different. Changed to feed it to the gullible. Period, plain and simple
Eat as much as you like.
Peace
Jay
June 7th, 2012
12:52 pm
“Well the Republican majority congress did pass the “Clinton” tax rates, Clinton just signed the bill.
Wrong yet again, John. The tax rates in question were passed in 1993, in a Democratic Congress and without a single Republican vote.”
Paul
June 7th, 2012
12:52 pm
Scout
“Guess what ?
I don’t work for you pal !”
The ultimate dodge.
You quote a person making a statement about conditions as the majority of financial experts – conservative and liberal – see things.
I ask you if those experts making the statements were shown by subsequent events to have understood the true scope of the situation.
Your response?
“I don’t work for you, pal.”
That’s really, really, really lame, Scout.
(The Scout reports to the captain the disposition of enemy forces, which The Scout says is platoon size. The colonel asks the captain “how long to take the position?” Captain says ‘three hours.” Captain advances, finds out he’s up against a battalion. Colonel screams at the captain “why haven’t you taken the position in three hours? You said ‘Three Hours!!” Captain said ‘We didn’t know how bad it was! The Scout said it was a platoon but we fund out it’s a battalion!!” Colonel says “But you said Three Hours!!! You said Three Hours!!!!”
Is that how it went down, Scout?
It would explain a lot.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
12:53 pm
willard will make us all slaves on planet kolob and we have to wear pink magic underwear.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
12:53 pm
USMC — “I suppose this blogger doesn’t understand that people earning $30 million SPEND much more money than his $30k earner; therefore paying MUCH higher dollar figure in the taxes for goods, etc. It’s really a simple idea, the Fair Tax, that must be hard for those with deep seeded insecurities to grasp.”
I think you misunderstand the objections that many people have to the “FairTax.” If I felt that you were seriously interested in listening to them, I would be pleased to explain some of them to you.
Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)
June 7th, 2012
12:54 pm
getalife – “Williard will reoccupy Iraq”. Good post, maybe he will sent those Occupy Wall Street folks over there! Or yet maybe Barrack will bow to their leader again?
kitty
June 7th, 2012
12:54 pm
The so-called Fair Tax is the tax program for the percentage challenged. You keep hearing that the rich will pay more in absolute dollars, but those who say that don’t understand that the middle and lower class who spend 100% of their incomes while the rich do not and the “prebate” won’t make that percentage equal. They won’t each be spending the same PERCENTAGE. Absolute dollars mean nothing in this discussion and I won’t go into all the other reasons it is a bad idea.
Liberal Chicks are UGLY
June 7th, 2012
12:55 pm
Proof the Bush tax cuts will not only continue, but be signed in to law by obama himself….
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/07/news/economy/bernanke-federal-reserve/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2
getalife
June 7th, 2012
12:55 pm
Here is my proposal, just lie like the cons and never admit you are wrong.
Tell the dem party to never work with the gop .
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:56 pm
“THE DEBT CEILING
* Democrats don’t understand THE DEBT CEILING
* Republicans don’t understand THE DEBT CEILING
* Liberals don’t understand THE DEBT CEILING
* NO ONE understands THE DEBT CEILING
* SO – Allow me to explain…
Let’s say you come home from work and find there has
been a sewer backup in your neighborhood. Your home has sewage all the way
up to your ceilings.
What do you think you should do?
Raise the ceilings or pump out the sh**?”
Author Unknown
getalife
June 7th, 2012
12:57 pm
Tell the dem party to fight against our recovery for the next election.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
12:58 pm
Tell the dem party to filibuster everything.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:58 pm
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please :
“They should take what they get and just shutup about it.”
Exactly …….. that’s what I did.
It’s for taxpayers through their representatives to decide ………. not union thugs.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
12:58 pm
0311 — “What do you think you should do? Raise the ceilings or pump out the sh**?”
I guess the GOP answer would be to invade Iraq.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
12:58 pm
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
12:43 pm
You should be use to it though. It is amusing.
stands for decibels
June 7th, 2012
12:59 pm
Or yet maybe Barrack will bow to their leader again?
You guys are back to How-Dare-A-President-Bow-to-Anyone-gate again?
Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)
June 7th, 2012
12:59 pm
getalife – Reading your posts, you really need to Get A Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mick
June 7th, 2012
12:59 pm
If compromis is the art of politics, then the modern day republican is just a doorstop except for what they want then it’s a different tune…
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:00 pm
Never show any patriotism and the dems are always right about everything.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
1:00 pm
“Is there something you would like to debate ?”
What type of cheese do you like with your whine……
Paul
June 7th, 2012
1:00 pm
Scout
If you’re a Republican you say to your wife “we’re not calling a plumber until you meet my demands. They are not negotiable. If you don’t go along, the sewage can keep backing up and we’ll stay here until you agree with me.”
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:01 pm
Tom,
Fair is fair.
We will lie without shame and never admit we are wrong.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
1:01 pm
Paul:
When you’re running for president you need to watch your mouth and your arrogance. Happens to all of them ……………. and now he has to live with that quote just like George Sr. had to live with “no new taxes” …………….. it cost him the election.
Personally, I’m so happy Obama said it !!!
Makes NO DIFFERENCE what every economist in the world thought or didn’t think.
They weren’t running for president !
Mick
June 7th, 2012
1:01 pm
usmc@12:51
Your point is???
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:02 pm
We will use no intellectual honesty and swallow every lie.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
1:02 pm
getalife – Reading your posts, you really need to Get A Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wish I had a ha’penny for every time that sentiment has been posted here.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:03 pm
msnbs is the only news we will watch.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
1:03 pm
They BOTH Suck:
That statement (and many others made by presidents) was bad. I think the difference is that I call ‘em like I see ‘em ……….. while most libs. will ignore the gaffs of their “man”.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
1:03 pm
-Alberto Gonzalez says Mitt Romney needs a ‘personal connection’ to Hispanic community-
One would think Mitt would go back to his roots…
Couldnt pass it up.
Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you love congestion
June 7th, 2012
1:04 pm
Jay 12:25 the stimulus was partially about protecting union jobs though
Mick
June 7th, 2012
1:04 pm
scout
Obama said those words and has done an OK job in keeping this country stabilized. Romney has said or done nothing that merits a change in his favor…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
1:04 pm
Paul:
“If you’re a Republican you say to your wife “we’re not calling a plumber until you meet my demands. They are not negotiable. If you don’t go along, the sewage can keep backing up and we’ll stay here until you agree with me.”
No ………….. I kick a hole in the wall.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:04 pm
We will post every negative article on willard and believe every word of it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
1:05 pm
Mick:
“Read my lips …………… no new taxes.”
Agree to disagree !!!
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:06 pm
We will fixate on willard’s spelling errors and repeat them every single day.
We will make fun of his use of a teleprompter.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
1:06 pm
No gnu taxis.
Michael
June 7th, 2012
1:06 pm
One of the questions I have is who adds more to the value of free enterprise in America? It’s important to me, since I need my 401 k to prosper. I have noted the following.
In 1928 the Dow Jones was 300 points; it is now over 12,200. Where did that increase in value come from?
Hoover -240, Eisenhower +290, Nixon/Ford +20, Reagan/Bush +2300, Bush II -2,800. The net of these R presidents was -430.
Roosevelt/Truman +200, Kennedy/Johnson +290, Carter 0, Clinton +7,150, Obama +5,000. The net of these D presidents was +12,640.
Why does the value of free enterprise not increase when republicans are in the White House?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
1:06 pm
Kammie @ 1:02
Kind of like your “Jefferson” quotes ……………………..
?
Paul
June 7th, 2012
1:07 pm
Scout
That’s what, four times and you still can’t answer the question?
Talk about dodge, roll and duck.
Sounds like your point is “Presidents or politicians should never, ever state the possible repercussions of their plan, based upon a bipartisan consensus of experts, because they know voters are too darn stupid to realize additional information may come forth that would require a reassessment.”
You sure don’t think much of your fellow voters, do you?
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
June 7th, 2012
1:07 pm
Still think Romney is gonna have a tough time.
Not easy for a non-Christian to be elected in America.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
1:07 pm
THE AMATEUR, by Edward Klein
Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you love congestion
June 7th, 2012
1:08 pm
I wish I had half a penny every time jamchack said:
Tick tick tick
Theres your sign
Or
Blogspot is ready when you are
Sport
Same tired lines from the same lamebrain
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
1:08 pm
Kind of like your “Jefferson” quotes …
And your rabbit holes.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
1:08 pm
K’Chak — “No gnu taxis.”
No newt axes.
josef
June 7th, 2012
1:09 pm
Oh, good, we’re now at the drive-by and name calling stage, Maybe somebody will say something that hasn’t been served, reheated and hashed for the umpteenth time…is SOOTH here?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
1:09 pm
Paul:
““Presidents or politicians should never, ever state the possible repercussions of their plan, based upon a bipartisan consensus of experts, because they know voters are too darn stupid to realize additional information may come forth that would require a reassessment.”
That’s what the press did to George. Now it’s your turn. Fun isn’t it?
Mick
June 7th, 2012
1:10 pm
1811
Yeah…kinda like “bring it on”, or “smoke him out of his cave”, or “mushroom cloud” or the final and most accurate, “this sucker could go down”. Thanks to obama – it didn’t!!!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
1:10 pm
Kammie :
………………………..
And ………. they will keep coming !
Matti
June 7th, 2012
1:10 pm
Why does the value of free enterprise not increase when republicans are in the White House?
Because their definition of free enterprise is a ruse.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
1:10 pm
Awwwww, jm’s got all butt hurty.
Pity party for jm, bring your own cheese jm will supply the whine.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
1:11 pm
Mick:
Sorry ……………… you lost me on that but thanks for the exchange.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
1:12 pm
Y’know Scout, ex Secret Service guy and all that, by your standard every Secret Service employee in the chain of command of those Secret Service guys who were paying prostitutes for sex should be fired, because they all signed on to the Secret Service vision of ““uphold the tradition of excellence in its investigative and protective mission through a dedicated, highly-trained, diverse, partner-oriented workforce that employs progressive technology and promotes professionalism”
They failed to uphold the standards. Doesn’t matter if they knew what the bozos in the field were doing or not. They said they would uphold a tradition of excellence and professionalism. They didn’t. All personnel with any connection to that detail should be fired, right?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 7th, 2012
1:13 pm
josef
June 7th, 2012
1:09 pm
Josef,
I do wish Jay would call a recess…
When it gets to this stage, I just can’t help thinking of playground dodge ball…
Mick
June 7th, 2012
1:13 pm
josef
After all these years your just now complaining about the refried beans?
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:14 pm
We will post drudge and call that debate.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 7th, 2012
1:14 pm
Paul
June 7th, 2012
1:12 pm
But Paul…it was only interrogation, not sex…
Paul
June 7th, 2012
1:14 pm
Scout 1:09
“That’s what the press did to George. Now it’s your turn. Fun isn’t it?”
You put political payback above the welfare of the nation. That attitude reflects thematurity of a child.
Pathetic.
josef
June 7th, 2012
1:15 pm
MICK
It’s not the refried as much as it’s the beans…
Since I don’t know enough about economics to even pretend I do, I can’t play and I want to play, too…
Paul
June 7th, 2012
1:15 pm
Scout
““That’s what the press did to George. Now it’s your turn. Fun isn’t it?””
Forgot to add: you got a Bible verse for that, too?
Tundra Dude
June 7th, 2012
1:16 pm
In another crisis, GOP would let economy collapse
Last time I checked, the Reds have introduced 9 bills blocking reforms.
(we don’t need no stinkin’ reforms/regs, the Little peeps will pay for the next bailout)
this, from a former S&L investigator/regulator:
http://bit.ly/J0NGaJ
Romney’s Lead Economist Urges Policies that will Cause the Next Financial Crisis
(snipped)
(George) Mankiw’s response to the findings that CEOs were looting their shareholders was to praise the rationality of the fraudulent CEOs (if you don’t loot you aren’t moral – you’re insane).
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:17 pm
willard leaked classified information for political gain.
TaxPayer
June 7th, 2012
1:17 pm
Rabbit Holes! From Scout! Nah. It’s all he can do to dig potholes with that e-trenching tool of his.
josef
June 7th, 2012
1:17 pm
NORMAL
This is the Imam’s favorite for summer re-run…
Mick
June 7th, 2012
1:19 pm
josef
I hear ya…I’ve been frustrated with all this rightwing chest thumping, the reality always seems to be that things are never as bad as the other side says they are and things are never as good as we pretend them to be….somewheres in the middle I suppose. I can live wit dat…
Donovan
June 7th, 2012
1:20 pm
Well, let’s see…Obama and the Dems cannot gain any traction for re-election on their record so how come you Dems are doubling down on your miserable fiscal record? I guess the answer is…you’re taking the American public for fools just like you did with the Hope & Change motto of the last election.
Please! Enough with the “death spiral” or “inherited this mess” or “avoided a catastrophe” colloquialisms. You’ve had nearly 4 years to fix the mess that your spending has created. Enough with the excuses. Incompetence and community organizers is all you have to show for managing this nation.
Just like Wisconsin, the American public will vote you people out and hitch their wagon to fiscally responsible people in November.
Forget about leaning on the CBO for guidance. That bureaucratic office is full of Clinton hold-overs and card carrying Democrats. Anytime a liberal calls something “non-partisan” it is just the opposite. You saw how the CBO gave its approval of ObamaCare.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:20 pm
willard has nine wives.
Don't Forget
June 7th, 2012
1:21 pm
Josef,
Since I don’t know enough about economics to even pretend I do, I can’t play
Well that doesn’t seem to stop anyone else! You just need to assert that you’re 100% right and everyone who disagree’s is an idiot who’s trying to destroy America.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:21 pm
willard will blame Obama for everything.
Oscar
June 7th, 2012
1:22 pm
I like refried beans, and all other beans, exept green beans. Beans and rice that’s the staple here.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
1:22 pm
josef – Normal
If I’ve engaged in any name calling, I honestly do not recognize it, so please let me know.
What I’ve been trying to illustrate, with various examples Scout should be able to relate to (reconnaissance mission not finding all that’s there and level of accountability when unknown factors are under way) is that when one takes a statement and holds to “he said it… he said it… it’s payback….”
that one should recognize later information can cast the statement in a new light and that to deny that, while taking a ‘payback’ position, shows a preference for partisanship over the good of the nation.
At least, I’d hoped someone who’s regaled us all with his tales of decades of sacrifice in government service, putting the good of the country above all else, even personal benefit, would acknowledge that.
mdouglasman
June 7th, 2012
1:23 pm
Let’s just print another trillion dollars….as usual, you are an idiot.
Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you love congestion
June 7th, 2012
1:23 pm
Kam come on bud, surely you got something better than that
Or maybe not
You’re like a bad tire. You make a lot of noise, but you’re just going round in circles.
Oscar
June 7th, 2012
1:23 pm
willard has nine wives
_______________
I thought it was willard tells nine lies.
josef
June 7th, 2012
1:23 pm
MICK, NORMAL…
There are such bigger issues out there…as SOOTH would tell us, we’ve got to watch that International Zionist Na zi Jew Banker Cartel and as Del and Scout would tell us the gays are the secret enemy out to bring down civilization….so we shouldn’t be surprised that…
And Normal… we know YOU’RE behind this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V60Mstp8yfY
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:23 pm
“Well that doesn’t seem to stop anyone else! You just need to assert that you’re 100% right and everyone who disagree’s is an idiot who’s trying to destroy America.”
Now you are talking.
Just write mindless lies and never admit you are wrong,
Fair is fair.
Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you love congestion
June 7th, 2012
1:24 pm
Getalife has lost it
Again
Paul
June 7th, 2012
1:25 pm
getalife
“willard leaked classified information for political gain.”
Romney has a security clearance and has been read in on classified matters?!!?
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:25 pm
“I thought it was willard tells nine lies.”
You mean nine million lies.
He wears magic underwear so he believes it is okay to have nine wives.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:26 pm
“Romney has a security clearance and has been read in on classified matters?!!?”
Yes.
Oscar
June 7th, 2012
1:26 pm
st write mindless lies and never admit you are wrong,
Fair is fair
______
That’s the American way and demoracy in action. I figure if I’m wrong someone else will correct me and prove it. And the often do which educates me and L liearn something. But you have to listeen to those that disagree with you.
josef
June 7th, 2012
1:26 pm
PAUL
Are you channeling Bruno? Don’t be so sensitive!
Beans, beans, good for your heart,
The more you eat, the more you f*rt.
The more you f*rt, the better you feel.
So eat some beans for every meal.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:27 pm
Everything is willard’s fault.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
1:27 pm
Kam come on bud, surely you got something better than that
I don’t use a Mossberg to swat a mosquito.
jm
June 7th, 2012
1:28 pm
even Bill Clinton said Romney has a “sterling” record
And said we need to stop attacking capitalism.
Bill Clinton is right. Even the Democrats have turned on Obama.
Romney will do a good job.
A dad
June 7th, 2012
1:28 pm
Donovan @ 1:20. Haven’t you heard? BO’s new campaign slogan is “2012 – Hope for Change” with pictures of a couple dimes, a nickel, and a couple pennies.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:28 pm
“But you have to listeen to those that disagree with you.”
No, you don’t.
We are never wrong about anything.
godless heathen
June 7th, 2012
1:28 pm
“this sucker could go down”
Just not all the way down.
Oscar
June 7th, 2012
1:29 pm
Beans have to be taken in moderation. That’s our motto “Wisdom, Justice and Moderation.”
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:29 pm
President Clinton never said that jm.
jm
June 7th, 2012
1:29 pm
“Everything is willard’s fault.”
I’d begin to believe getalife is Barack Obama. But Obama keeps blaming Bush and Europe, so hard to know for sure.
jm
June 7th, 2012
1:30 pm
booker
David Gregory, the moderator in search of a scoop, presses him about the president’s attacks on Wall Street greed. Booker obliges: “This kind of stuff is nauseating to me, on both sides … It’s nauseating to the American public. Enough is enough. Stop attacking private equity.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77148.html#ixzz1×86U8633
jm
June 7th, 2012
1:31 pm
ooops
Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, another rising star and surrogate, tells CNN’s John King on May 22 that Bain Capital is “not a bad company.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77148.html#ixzz1×86aH6JX
jm
June 7th, 2012
1:31 pm
patrick
“I think Bain is a perfectly fine company. They’ve got a role in the private economy and I’ve got a lot of friends there.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77148.html#ixzz1×86gzyxF
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:31 pm
Today is lets act like the con’s day.
willard uses a teleprompter and can’t spell American.
jm
June 7th, 2012
1:32 pm
“I don’t think that we ought to get into the position where we say this is bad work,” Clinton says of Bain, describing Romney as having “had a sterling business career.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77148.html#ixzz1×86v2Sta
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:33 pm
Clinton said bain is vulture capitalism.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
1:33 pm
jm, why are you posting the same link twice in a row?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
1:33 pm
Sorry Albert ………. looks like it was 1934.
http://news.yahoo.com/internet-invented-1934-sorta-162230693.html
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
1:33 pm
Today is lets act like the con’s day.
The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.
CJ
June 7th, 2012
1:33 pm
Unfortunately, a large percentage of our population is suffering from Fox News Syndrome. They turn on the television and absorb the lies directly into the bloodstream. No questions asked. No independent confirmation required. No analysis beyond what’s spewed on the television set needed. If they said it on Fox News, then it must be true.
In fact, these poor folks are the victims of an extremely well-funded propaganda machine who are masters at disseminating, or perhaps inseminating, misinformation to obtain objectives which have nothing to do with the issues they claim to care about and most definitely have nothing to do with stabilizing the economy and growing the middle class. I’m amazed that people who have have never cracked a book on economics, couldn’t define gross domestic product or understand a graph illustrating a demand and supply curve, can listen to Fox News or Neil Boortz and come away thinking that they’re experts on everything economics.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
1:34 pm
And now you’re up to four times, jm.
jm
June 7th, 2012
1:34 pm
JHM – providing sources, which you numbskulls always ask for, so pipe down flea
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:35 pm
Did you see willard’s three spelling errors this week.
He is not one of us.
We must get our country back from willard.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
1:35 pm
josef
Okay, okay…. just trying to understand the consistency between the lectures on personal service and sacrifice for the country and having Bible verses to guide every topic…. and what I read today. Maybe it’s not consistent. If it isn’t, then fine, just say so and be done with it. If it is, I’d be interested to understand how.
But I read you.
I’ll have some beans for lunch.
The end result will be better than those exchanges -
josef
June 7th, 2012
1:35 pm
Willard eats beans. Willard is a conservative. Therefore I cannot eat beans.
Logical, right?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
1:36 pm
Today is lets act like the con’s day.
Deficits don’t matter.
Oblama
June 7th, 2012
1:37 pm
Hawg wash!
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:37 pm
jm is losing it.
Again.
Thulsa Doom
June 7th, 2012
1:38 pm
“In a survey conducted by the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, 80 percent of economic experts agreed that, because of the stimulus, the U.S. unemployment rate was lower at the end of 2010 than it would have been otherwise.”
I don’t doubt that. The question is at what cost were these jobs saved? No one seems to be asking that question. We spent nearly a trillion dollars to save maybe several hundred thousand jobs? And secondly we really can’t even prove how many jobs were “saved” by stimulus spending. Its a ridiculous stat that was made up out of thin air. And with the exception of a few specific govt projects there’s not much proof of direct jobs created by stimulus spending either.
“The jobs created and saved by the economic stimulus law that President Barack Obama signed on Feb. 17, 2009 cost at a minimum an average of $228,055 each, according to data released yesterday by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).”
“In a report released Wednesday—”Estimated Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act on Employment and Economic Output from October Through December 2010″—the CBO said it now estimates the stimulus law cost a total of $821 billion, up from CBO’s original estimate that the stimulus would cost $787 billion.”
Now fast forward to a CBO report and this article from just a week ago May 30th, 2012
– They raised real (inflation-adjusted) gross domestic product (GDP) by between 0.1 percent and 1.0 percent,
– They lowered the unemployment rate by between 0.1 percentage points and 0.8 percentage points,
– They increased the number of people employed by between 0.2 million and 1.5 million,
– They increased the number of full-time-equivalent jobs by 0.3 million to 1.9 million. (Increases in FTE jobs include shifts from part-time to full-time work or overtime and are thus generally larger than increases in the number of employed workers.)
OK, so without the stimulus, there would be anywhere from 200,000 to 1.5 million fewer people employed right now? That means the current cost-per-job created is somewhere between $4.1 million and $540,000.
http://blog.american.com/2012/05/cbo-obama-stimulus-may-have-cost-as-much-as-4-1-million-a-job/
So the question to ask is did the stimulus cost $228,000 per job “saved” or “created” which is unproveable to begin with or did it cost 4.1 million per job? In either case its an obscene waste of money and by that measurement the stimulus was clearly not worth it. No rational person can dispute that.
jm
June 7th, 2012
1:38 pm
“Today is lets act like the con’s day.”
Let’s not spend more than we make.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
1:38 pm
jm — “JHM – providing sources, which you numbskulls always ask for”
Spamming the same link four times is “sources?”
“so pipe down flea”
Spamming AND name-calling? You’re on a roll today, jm.
Just FYI, I’m pretty sure Kyle would give you a time-out for spamming like that.
jm
June 7th, 2012
1:38 pm
“Today is lets act like the con’s day.”
Let’s live within our means.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:38 pm
“Deficits don’t matter.”
The economy is fine.
Americans are whiners.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
1:38 pm
jm
“Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, another rising star and surrogate, tells CNN’s John King on May 22 that Bain Capital is “not a bad company.””
Sounds like a guy who wants his star to keep rising knows better than to shut off the support spigot of a firm managing billions of dollars that’s headquartered in his state’s capital.
josef
June 7th, 2012
1:39 pm
PAUL
Okay, if it’ll make you feel better, I’ll be snarky. You weren’t even in mind when I posted that! How’m I doin’…
Got one for you that Unmentionable threw at me the other night for them, “you could’ve eat a bowl of alphabits and sh*t a better reply!”
jm
June 7th, 2012
1:39 pm
“Today is lets act like the con’s day.”
Let’s make America competitive with smart tax policy.
Oblama
June 7th, 2012
1:40 pm
Jay – Where on your resume does it say you have an economics or business finance degree? Obama’s plan? Raise the debt ceiling and keep spending.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
1:40 pm
Paul:
You’re taking this real “personal”. I must have hit a nerve ………… good.
Moving on:
“in the chain of command”
Do you also mean the Secretary of DHS? The President?
Fortunately, under the law individuals have rights that are taken into account ………. inspite of what people like you might want. It’s called judicial process.
That said, I’m betting you were one of those who saw no problem with a President of the United States engaging in sexual activity, in the White House, on government property, in the Oval Office with a subordinate many years his junior and under his direct chain of command.
That got a free pass.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:40 pm
We ran on jobs then say where are the jobs.
We will cut nothing and spend like nothing happened.
What collapse?
jm
June 7th, 2012
1:41 pm
“Today is lets act like the con’s day.”
Let’s give people the tools to make their own health care decisions instead of the government doing it for them.
jm
June 7th, 2012
1:42 pm
“Today is lets act like the con’s day.”
Let’s not personally attack people who do well financially.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:42 pm
Tax cuts and no regulations will fix everything.
Jack
June 7th, 2012
1:42 pm
No one wants the economy to collapse. Least of all the parasites; parasites including those who game the system while honest people buy no more than they can afford and at the same provide the safety nets for slugs.
jj
June 7th, 2012
1:43 pm
Remember how they count jobs. If one person is employed for 3 years that equals 3 jobs.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:43 pm
willarcare invented the mandate but we are against it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
1:43 pm
Today is lets act like the con’s day.
“Too many OB-GYNs aren’t able to practice their love with women all across this country.”
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:44 pm
willard is not American.
Don Abernethy
June 7th, 2012
1:45 pm
THE answer to the problem? NOBAMA
Paul
June 7th, 2012
1:46 pm
josef
LOL!
Point taken –
tell Unmentionable I do, indeed, have an amazing digestive tract!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
1:46 pm
Today is lets act like the con’s day.
Long form birth certificate. Box 23/26.
josef
June 7th, 2012
1:46 pm
Yeah! Now this is more like it….
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:46 pm
willard did not celebrate dday.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
1:47 pm
jm — “Let’s give people the tools to make their own health care decisions instead of the government doing it for them.”
You’re just jealous that the orderlies don’t believe what you tell them about the voices in your head.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:47 pm
The answer is nowillard.
Oblama
June 7th, 2012
1:47 pm
Samuel L. Jackson says “Obama ain’t got no (expletive deleted) plan to save this country. I voted for him ’cause he’s black.” Source: Interview in Ebony Magazine. Finally – someone tells the truth. Thanks Sam.
josef
June 7th, 2012
1:48 pm
PAUL
He says, well, I guess he’s a literate a’hole!
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:48 pm
Anybody but willard.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:49 pm
Did you see willard can’t spell and uses a teleprompter?
josef
June 7th, 2012
1:50 pm
Oblama
And you DIDN’T vote for him for the same reason…
“someone tells the truth”
Maybe you should take a page from Sam’s book, eh?
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
1:50 pm
“I call ‘em like I see ‘em ”
Yep, even we you get part of a quote fed to you to imply something that may or may not be the intent
Don't Forget
June 7th, 2012
1:51 pm
You’re all a bunch of RINO’s. Reagan ate Jelly Beans!
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 7th, 2012
1:51 pm
“In another crisis, GOP would let economy collapse”
No surprise.
They’ll let poor folks go hungry and cold, and without proper medical care. They’ll fire teachers and police and firemen.
They’ll allow our air and water to be polluted and our food chain to be tampered with.
It is what they have become.
josef
June 7th, 2012
1:52 pm
SCOUT
You call ‘em like you see ‘em, all right. BTW the optometrist called…
Cynthia Tucker needs an assistant
June 7th, 2012
1:53 pm
When did this happen again, in 2010? Well we’re half way to 2013 now, are you happy with where the economy is today?
OK let’s assume the WA Post & Jay are right and Obama saved the day in the bottom of the 9th inning. Does that mean you want the same relief pitcher to start the rest of the season or in our case for 8 total years in the White House?
Let’s look at what you’re saying, job numbers were better than what they would’ve been without his policy. Is that really some grand achievement to hang your hat on? OK, so this turd of an ecconomy at the end of 2010 didn’t stink as bad as it could’ve. BIG FlIPPING DEAL. Waht have you done for me lately?
Jay, you remind me of sour grapes Tech football fans after a loss. They’re the first to point out “well, at least we had more punt return yardage” or “3rd down, 2nd half run defense” or some other obscure stat that turns a blind eye to the final score. I’m not calling the jobs numbers an obscure stat, but you gotta admit you’re missing the big picture. Or to be fair, you sound like a UGA fan, still singing the praises of their lone 1980 national championship.
Care to talk about the tons of business owners that are scared to invest and hire b/c of the uncertain landscape going forward or the banks that are more reluctant to loan money to these businesses or the downgrading of our credit rating b/c of our ballooning debt and our inability to be an effective leader of men and legislators?
Even the fact that this bill was called a Stimulus is absurd. It was the biggest pork ladden bill ever, wrapped in some clever branding..
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:53 pm
willard is a socialist.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
1:54 pm
“You call ‘em like you see ‘em, all right. BTW the optometrist called…”
And the congregation said…………. “AMEN”
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:54 pm
willard has investors scared to invest.
willard is a Mexican.
Don't Forget
June 7th, 2012
1:55 pm
Let’s not personally attack people who do well financially
Um, then don’t personally attack those who don’t do well financially. There’s a lot more to life than marketability.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:56 pm
willard collapsed the global economy..
Matti
June 7th, 2012
1:57 pm
“Let’s give people the tools to make their own health care decisions instead of the government doing it for them.”
Unless the tool they need is a qualified perinatologist. Then we need state legislators with no medical degrees to get their religious zealot friends to draft bills that become laws that limit a woman’s access to a perinatologist, and imposes legal restrictions on the perinatologist’s ability to appropriately treat his or her patient. All in day’s “work” for the Georgia legislature.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
1:57 pm
Today is lets act like the con’s day.
Willard is a Marxist.
emz
June 7th, 2012
1:58 pm
The GOP is scary.
TaxPayer
June 7th, 2012
1:58 pm
Will the Paul Ryan budget completely eliminate the federal 245 billion dollar (2010) expenditure on federal retiree and veteran benefits? Will he leave a little token amount there perhaps to cover retired disgraced secret service employee’s special needs? So many questions. So few answers from Republicans.
Hot Air
June 7th, 2012
1:58 pm
Jay doesn’t need an economics degree – he’s psychic.
Talking Head
June 7th, 2012
1:59 pm
“…but I think she claims Michelle didn’t go all the way down.”
- Barack Obama
Hahahahahaha, classic
Ol' Timer
June 7th, 2012
1:59 pm
Just because these ol’ boys were able to come up with the few hundred dollars it took to enter a race and just because they were able to get enough fools on their side to win the election doesn’t mean they have enough sense to comprehend the weighty issues involved in the global economy and make intelligent decisions.
So, they’ve turned that aspect of governing over to the plutocrats and Grover Norquist. They are the shadow government controlling the Congress. And, they can’t be defeated at the ballot box.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
1:59 pm
What collapse?
willard does not know what he is doing.
Don't Forget
June 7th, 2012
2:00 pm
Actually I’d say Willard is more like a cephalopod.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rqhomPaxhE
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:00 pm
willard is a commie.
Michael
June 7th, 2012
2:00 pm
I am concerned about the possibility of another stock market crash. So, I’ve done some research.
The big one started in 1929, when Hoover was president. The first big one of my lifetime started in 1987, when Reagan was president. The last big one started in 2007, when George Bush was president.
Why do all the stock market crashes start, when a republican is in the White House?
Paul
June 7th, 2012
2:00 pm
Scout
“You’re taking this real “personal”. I must have hit a nerve ………… good.”
As I said to josef, the ‘nerve’ is amazement that someone who lets us all know about his life of selfless service, sacrificing for the good of the nation, who proclaims his Christian faith and tosses out Bible verses to correct the wayward ones
can so easily demonstrate a narrow-minded, exclusionary mindset based upon ‘he said it… he said it…’ and whose professed putting the national interest first is tossed aside when there’s partisan payback to be had.
That’s the nerve. The attitude is so unlike others I’ve known who contributed a lifetime of service or who refer to themselves as Christians.
““in the chain of command”
Do you also mean the Secretary of DHS? The President?”
You say you were in the Secret Service and you don’t even know its chain of command?!!? Stop it wherever you’d like, but there should be some justification.
“Fortunately, under the law individuals have rights that are taken into account ………. inspite of what people like you might want. It’s called judicial process.”
Then not fired, but reassigned to some forsaken, dead-end basement position counting file folders.
“hat said, I’m betting you were one of those”
aaaannnnd… off you go with another diversion.
So the President you disdain should be removed for saying something where it was shown events had transpired of which he was unaware, yet Secret Service personnel should be excused for stating they uphold professionalism and excellence while their subordinates, unknown to them, are engaging prostitutes?
I think it all boils down to, you hold a President you despise to one standard that you won’t hold others to.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
2:00 pm
Matti @ 1:57
Good afternoon. Good post
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:02 pm
“Mitt Romney’s third spelling gaffe in a week”
Classic.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
2:02 pm
“Today is lets act like the con’s day.”
Mitt wants to destroy the country so he can have his family in Mexico invade is.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
2:02 pm
I guess Paul is ignoring my 1:40 ……… you know, the same “Paul” who gets all in a hissy if you don’t answer his questions to his satisfaction ………. AND …………. you must agree with him.
Oh well, out on patrol ………… everyone be nice. Back later.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
2:03 pm
Geez Paul, just don’t go down the rabbit hole.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
2:03 pm
Ooops ! There it is ……….. sorry Paul.
Now let me read it.
Oscar
June 7th, 2012
2:04 pm
Why do all the stock market crashes start, when a republican is in the White House?
_____
If Romney gets elected there will be another one withing four years. It’s the way the GOP handles the economy and govt. finances. Leads to nothing but disaster.
Common Sense
June 7th, 2012
2:05 pm
“Did you see willard can’t spell and uses a teleprompter?”
Obama has made that a moot issue going forward.
Moon Mullins
June 7th, 2012
2:05 pm
Romney and his surrogate, Donald Trump, have a strategy that made them gazillionaires and should address the debt and deficit issues of government: sell the profitable parts and bankrupt the rest.
Voila!! Those ol’ boys are real Einsteins.
Oblama
June 7th, 2012
2:05 pm
Your right – I didn’t vote for Obama because he doesn’t have a (expletive deleted) plan to save America. And I am telling the truth. By the way I didn’t vote for “W” either. Do you agree with Samuel L. Jackson?
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:05 pm
“Why do all the stock market crashes start, when a republican is in the White House?”
willard will crash it again.
It is the only way they make history.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
2:05 pm
“I think it all boils down to, you hold a President you despise to one standard that you won’t hold others to.”
Scout isn’t the only one, but that is oh so true.
His defense and condemnation of who wasn’t in the service and who was during Vietnam is when he is at his best. He has earned the SEMANTICS LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD for that issue.
I’m sure the issue will arise again. It is great to watch him twist, turn and make Fred Astaire look like he had two left feet when he starts the Scout Tap dancing extravaganza.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:06 pm
cons vote for willard because he is white.
Talking Head
June 7th, 2012
2:06 pm
“Why do all the stock market crashes start, when a republican is in the White House?”
“If Romney gets elected there will be another one withing four years. It’s the way the GOP handles the economy and govt. finances. Leads to nothing but disaster.”
I think the answer you’re looking for is the FED.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:06 pm
trump is willard’s vp.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:07 pm
I think the answer is nowillard.
Talking Head
June 7th, 2012
2:07 pm
Obama ate lead based dog meat as child, which explains sooooo much.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:09 pm
willard tortures dogs.
josef
June 7th, 2012
2:09 pm
OBLAMA
Do I agree with Sam that that’s what he did? Yeah. Do I agree with me that that’s what you did? Yeah. Do I think y’all represent all the voters of your particular demographic. No.
Matti
June 7th, 2012
2:10 pm
getalife,
Lord, I hope so! Trump on Willard’s ticket would make this election entertaining again! Not Herman-Cain entertaining, but good for a few belly laughs at least.
Ol' Timer
June 7th, 2012
2:11 pm
If they gain control, these ol’ boys will slam on the brakes so fast they’ll send the economy into a Second Great Depression.
Of course, if the bottom falls out of the economy the plutocrats will be able to buy it for pennies on the dollar.
A sensible program of massive cuts and tax increases — cut the spending and increase the income –will allow us to get out of this mess, but the radical approach will be a disaster!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
2:11 pm
Paul:
1) Your opinion of course and in this free country you have the right to it whether or not you ever actually fought for it or someone’s else’s. Maybe for those of us who did (and left others behind) we take it more seriously. I don’t apologize for that. As you have seen before:
“War is sweet for the inexperienced.”
2) This one is easy: “If they hated Me, the will hate you.”
3) The chain of command goes until “it” stops. The President of the United States is part of the executive branch. That makes him the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the land.
4) “Then not fired, but reassigned to some forsaken, dead-end basement position counting file folders.” Ah, moving the goal posts ?
That’s not for YOU or ME to determine. Again, it’s called “judicial process” after ALL of the facts are in. Hopefully, you are not, never were or never will be in a position of management authority. If so, I pity those under your authority.
5) You didn’t answer my question about Clinton …………………..
) Shame, shame on you for one who wants all questions answered.
Talking Head
June 7th, 2012
2:11 pm
“willard tortures dogs.”
I wonder if he’s related to the Vicks?
Oscar
June 7th, 2012
2:11 pm
think the answer you’re looking for is the FED.
______
I think part of the answer is lack of regulation of the financial industry.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
2:12 pm
Kamchak
Thanks, I’ve been trying to avoid the branches and stay near the surface.
Just trying to understand the consistency of philosophy when applied to different people or institutions. As I said in my last post, the only conclusion I can make is that contempt for a president overrides all professions of how one should live one’s life and view situations.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:12 pm
Matti,
The cain is replacing boortz next year so that will be funny.
Oscar
June 7th, 2012
2:12 pm
willard tortures dogs.
______
Evidence that Romney does not have the empathy gene.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
2:12 pm
They BOTH suck:
“Some talk the talk, some walk the walk.”
You know where you fit.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:13 pm
th,
Yeah, they are brothers from another mother.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
2:13 pm
Pauly:
I do have to run for awhile. I’ll be back in a few hours so take your time. We can continue this all day. Be happy to.
Get Real
June 7th, 2012
2:13 pm
More liberal hate spew…way to go Jay, most impressive
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
2:14 pm
Matti
Unfortunately, “Rock you like a Herman Cain” is back to talk radio. He will do fund raisers and speeches, but I doubt he will be running for office again………
Too bad, he was a laugh a minute.
Successful and smart guy, but political office is not his thing despite what his followers and he might think
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
2:15 pm
Scout
WAAAAAAAAAAA
Quit crying because you were called out
Mr Christian………….
What a joke
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
2:15 pm
Paul
As I said in my last post, the only conclusion I can make is that contempt for a president overrides all professions of how one should live one’s life and view situations.
The ends justifies the means.
I picked up on that my first week here.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
2:15 pm
“Today is lets act like the con’s day.”
Mitt wants to vulture capital America so Bain can sell us off.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:15 pm
scout,
The secret service were in a bar with a hooker when Lincoln was shot.
Oblama
June 7th, 2012
2:15 pm
Mikey – The stock market was in shambles because Jammy Coddur created the environment for a disaster with his 20 + % mortgage rates and his recession. That’s why he got kicked out of office in one of the biggest landslides in history. Don’t blame Reagan for what Coddur and the Dems in Congress created. Quit trying to recreate history.
Talking Head
June 7th, 2012
2:16 pm
“think the answer you’re looking for is the FED.
______
I think part of the answer is lack of regulation of the financial industry.”
Perhaps a contributing percentage, however I think an organization that controls the money supply and sets interest rates for the world’s largest economy has a much larger significant impact on market volatility
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
2:16 pm
“cons vote for willard because he is white.”
troll
You must have forgotten about Herman Cane.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:16 pm
“Mitt wants to vulture capital America so Bain can sell us off.”
Agreed.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
2:16 pm
Scout
Why is it when you call out people for serving or not serving, it always comes down to political ideology as to where you defend or condemn?
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:17 pm
“You must have forgotten about Herman Cane”
Who?
Oblama
June 7th, 2012
2:17 pm
Getalife – from your description of “Willard” – he and Obama have a lot in common.
Carole
June 7th, 2012
2:17 pm
Mighty Righty
know a “few” jobs were created at the time the stimulous was spent. My question is how many “today” are still working. The claim that more than three million jobs were created is wishful thinking.
++++++
You cannot be that anal. The state gives movie makers a 30% tax break. That gives what maybe 200 Georgians a job for a few months. But you don’t hear them downplaying it.
Mick
June 7th, 2012
2:18 pm
1811
Clinton got a free pass? Really? Impeachment anyone?
USMC
June 7th, 2012
2:18 pm
SHOCK POLL: ROMNEY EDGES OBAMA IN MICHIGAN
http://www.freep.com/article/20120607/NEWS06/120607030/Poll-Barack-Obama-dead-heat-Mitt-Romney-Michigan-popularity-slips
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:19 pm
President Obama did nothing wrong and the best ever.
Ol' Timer
June 7th, 2012
2:19 pm
Trump would never serve as second banana. Besides, he’s too lazy to campaign and would make as big a fool of himself as Sarah Palin did.
Besides bankrupting the Federal government is not a viable strategy.
Oblama
June 7th, 2012
2:19 pm
Getalife – If your Prozac Rx ran out again and can call it in for you. You don’t have to thank me.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 7th, 2012
2:19 pm
Josef,
just caught the gay cat vid…ha, ha! same reaction you get here when you say “socialism’…
But tell me, is Zionist cat porr any different than American cat porn?
…and another thing…Fluffy is Gay, well, he’s named fluffy for Gawd’s sake. All my male cats are named Bubba, Tiger, and Stewart (I do worry about him some), but like me, even if we were, we are too old and neutered to care now.!
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:20 pm
willard is w.
Get Real
June 7th, 2012
2:20 pm
getalife…I have to assume you are just having fun as you cannot be as big an idiot as your posts would have one believe…if you are serious in your posts..holy crap
Paul
June 7th, 2012
2:20 pm
Scout
From your answers today, my opinion is, no, it isn’t special at all. In fact, what I’ve pointed out is, I daresay it’s more an embarrassment to those who’ve served than anything else.
2) I write “As I said to josef, the ‘nerve’ is amazement that someone who lets us all know about his life of selfless service, sacrificing for the good of the nation, who proclaims his Christian faith and tosses out Bible verses to correct the wayward ones”
and you quote a verse comparing yourself to Jesus.
Wow. Just wow.
I’m beginning to understand now.
3) You described the chain of command; however, that’s another question (what should happen to those in the chain of command) you strenuously avoided answering.
4) Not moving the goalposts. You pointed out ‘firing’ in Secret Service requires judicial proceedings, which sounds suspect to me, but I stipulated to it, as you say you’re the expert in Secret Service personnel matters So to keep the concept, I asked ‘if not fired, then reassigned to a menial position?” And you won’t answer that, either.
I didn’t answer your question about Clinton, as I’ve pointed out that’s another of your tactics to divert from the topic and, as Kamchak put it, open another rabbit hole.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
2:20 pm
Besides bankrupting the Federal government is not a viable strategy.
It is if your primary goal is to drown in in the bathtub.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
2:20 pm
“Today is lets act like the con’s day.”
Mitt wants to indoctrinate your kids in Mormonism.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:22 pm
odrama,
Today is act like you and the cons day.
We lie without shame and nothing is our President’s fault.
We ignore the collapse and blame others.
Thulsa Doom
June 7th, 2012
2:22 pm
Carole,
Its not just the jobs for a few hundred Georgians. Its also the money spent on hotels, meals, and various other amenities that a large film production crew spends. Would you rather give them a 30% tax break and still have them paying taxes not including the various sales taxes and money brought into the local economy plus the state taxes paid by native Georgians? Or would you rather have nothing at all and no new money being circulated into the local economy?
USMC
June 7th, 2012
2:22 pm
“cons vote for willard because he is white.”–getalife
Funny, the only people bringing RACE/SKIN COLOR up these days are the Liberal Wingnuts…
Oblama
June 7th, 2012
2:22 pm
her tomorrow – gone today.
Cynthia Tucker needs an assistant
June 7th, 2012
2:23 pm
It’s fundamental really, Obama tried a plan where the Government policy would attempt to fixe our problems. Others would’ve preferred the private sector to work things out. In the end, Obama’s reelection (except for those who have no understanding of econ. or vote based on skin color) hinges on weather his ‘government will save you from yourselves’ policy is more effective than a market guided policy.
Thulsa Doom
June 7th, 2012
2:23 pm
USMC,
Yeah I notice that too. Its usually the libs who start off with the racial crap.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:24 pm
willard is an alien from planet kolob..
josef
June 7th, 2012
2:24 pm
SCOUT
I realize you’re being ganged up on and I always feel obliged to defend the underdog, so read this as a defense. I try to respect your beliefs, even though they’re different from mine. I won’t call you a bigot. You’re not. You do put thought into it. However, you treat the Bible like a Chinese menu. So do we all. But if you would just go ahead and acknowledge that, and then tell how you came to pick the particular one and ignore the others, you’d have more credibility, imauo.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
2:24 pm
“Funny, the only people bringing RACE/SKIN COLOR up these days are the Liberal Wingnuts”
REALLY??? Since Prez O has been in office, the RIGHT has been screaming “black people only voted for him because he is black”
Fast FW to Hreman Cain……… Black people werent voting for that dude.
Talking Head
June 7th, 2012
2:24 pm
Obama eats dogs.
Willard tortures dogs.
Christie protects dogs.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:25 pm
willard is a racist.
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
2:26 pm
“getalife…I have to assume you are just having fun as you cannot be as big an idiot as your posts would have one believe…if you are serious in your posts..holy crap”
Amen to that. But he does this everyday so i’m starting to think he’s serious…sadly.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
2:28 pm
josef
Scout does his share of dishing it out. I along with others on here have thanked him numerous times for his service.
He seems to want to be exalted in some kind of way. I can thank him for his service, but his politics and whatever else is open game…………. He surely thinks everyone else is open game when he wants to make his comments
josef
June 7th, 2012
2:28 pm
NORMAL
I thought you’d appreciate that one!
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
2:29 pm
“Today is lets act like the con’s day.”
Mitt wants your parents to go in front of death panels.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
2:30 pm
Scout
“Pauly:”
Rule of Thumb: go for the personal namecalling, you’ve ceded the argument.
I’ve already gleaned you apply one set of standards in one situation and other standards to the same situation when it’s occupied by a person like Obama you don’t like. That you will avoid a direct answer to a question if you sense it’ll cause a conflict with something you hold dear. That, and you see yourself right up there with Jesus tells me all I need to know.
Last time we had a lengthy exchange when I questioned you about your abortion statements it took a very long time, just like this, as you answered questions with questions and ran endless diversions. You finally said if a medical situation put both the mother’s and baby’s lives at risk that you had the moral authority to decide who should live and who should die and you would kill the baby and justify it in the name of self defense for the mother.
That alone should’ve told me all I needed to know. This exchange just confirms it. We really don’t need to continue the discussion.
straitroad
June 7th, 2012
2:30 pm
I don’t recall the Wisconsin economy collapsing despite Governor Walker doing the opposite of what you propose. I don’t get how intellient people such as yourself can support Obama’s policies when it’s crystal clear that they have failed. Even President Clinton understands this.
josef
June 7th, 2012
2:31 pm
BOTH
As I always say, there’s more to Scout than meets the eye. At heart, he’s not a bad fellow. In mind and spirit, though, he’s a preacher and he’s got a martyr complex a mile wide. Since I pretty much fall into the same category, I try not to judge. But I do wish he would admit it.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
2:32 pm
“willard is a racist.”–Getalife
I am wondering if getalife is echoing Jay’s sentiments???
Or is this just the usual trash to be expected from an Extremist Leftwing blog…
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
2:32 pm
Getalife @ 2:25
You have nothing to back up that BS. There is plenty to go after Romney on, but the racist bit his BS……… and you know it
Circus has left town. You can put away the clown costume.
Get Real
June 7th, 2012
2:32 pm
Peadawg…perhaps he is in a retirement home holding his drool cup with his one free hand as he hunts and pecks on a PC
Oblama
June 7th, 2012
2:32 pm
Getalife – But according to you “Willard and Obama” are one and the same. Socialist -check.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
2:33 pm
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
2:32 pm
“Today is lets act like the con’s day.”…fyi
josef
June 7th, 2012
2:34 pm
PAUL
It’s too bad Scout’s paradigm is the Christian. He would’ve made a good Rabbi of the cabala school…
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 7th, 2012
2:34 pm
Willard is a draft evader. Five deferrals over seven years… He should have gone to Canada…just think of all the “good” he could have done there…
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
2:35 pm
josef @ 2:31
To a great extent, I believe exactly what you posted. Blogs can only show and tell so much, however I have discerned that Scout is a disciplined and consistent man. Those are admirable traits to have in my book, however rigidity is not always the truthful or correct hand.
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
2:35 pm
“perhaps he is in a retirement home holding his drool cup with his one free hand as he hunts and pecks on a PC”
Or some 16 yr old punk holding his you-know-what with one hand and hunting/pecking with the other.
Either one fits.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 7th, 2012
2:36 pm
OMG! Not the ELB card?!
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
2:38 pm
Joe @ 2:33
Thanks. I’m not big on calling an individual a racist, especially when facts do not show that to be true. Bigot is another thing if you have facts to back it up, but to go with the “racist” card, joke or no joke, that is HUGE
Oblama
June 7th, 2012
2:39 pm
Neither party has a clue and that is the truth. This debt is a black hole.
TaxPayer
June 7th, 2012
2:39 pm
Jesus was the founder of the OWS movement. He was such a radical. Long hair. Defier of the establishment. If scout had been alive back then, he would have been blogging on parchment about how he went off and fought for Jesus’s right to behave so disgracefully and in public even and he would have told everyone about how those people that followed in Jesus’s footsteps were nothing more than, what’s that word I’m looking for, the word that scout used to describe the OWS crowd… it escapes me… perhaps scout can remind me later what that word was.
Tom Middleton
June 7th, 2012
2:41 pm
We say it over and over, Jay, that in order for the economy to start roaring again, somebody has to start spending money. And if the poor and middle class don’t have it, and the rich, the so-called “job creators,” won’t create any until somebody has started spending money, then who’s left, the government?
Shazam, Sergeant Carter, even Gomer Pyle and Goober could figure this one out, unless, of course, they’re Republicans and been told they’d better not!
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
2:42 pm
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
2:38 pm
Again, all it is doing is highlighting what the RIGHT says regarding Prez O. Everything I posted regarding ““Today is lets act like the con’s day”, i dont believe, but the sad truth is, the RIGHT spews this type of rhetoric every single day. All we are showing is how ridiculous is sounds on the other side.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
2:42 pm
josef
I dunno. The ‘interpretation’ part might not go too well.
josef
June 7th, 2012
2:42 pm
BOTH
Scout would make a good Imam, too. He likes his fiat and fatwah.
Don't Forget
June 7th, 2012
2:43 pm
Ooooh I got one:
If Willard is president we’ll all be subject to “Mormon Law” and have to wear their sacred underwear.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
2:43 pm
josef
Jack in Cumming
June 7th, 2012
2:44 pm
Jay has done it again wih anothe sterling blog. Well done jay.
Did anyone else see the story of Obama being a membr of so socialist party in his days in Chicago.
josef
June 7th, 2012
2:45 pm
PAUL
I would like to be a fly on the wall for the interpretation in the cabal!
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
2:45 pm
“Did anyone else see the story of Obama being a membr of so socialist party in his days in Chicago.”
Got some links?
TaxPayer
June 7th, 2012
2:45 pm
Or is this just the usual trash to be expected from an Extremist Leftwing blog
Unfortunately, it is not trash talk that Paul Ryan has proposed regarding those federal retiree and veteran’s benefits funds. His budget proposal will require that funding for such items be basically eliminated immediately in order to allow for my next big tax cut. I’m hoping for a big cut in taxes on non-qualifying dividends and pension income. Keep your fingers crossed for me.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
2:46 pm
Did anyone else see the story of Obama being a membr[sic] of so[sic] socialist party in his days in Chicago.
Late to the party with that tidbit, sport.
Already been repeated here at least four times.
TaxPayer
June 7th, 2012
2:47 pm
Did anyone else see the story of Obama being a membr of so socialist party in his days in Chicago.
No. I must have been too caught up reading about Sarah Palin pallin’ around with terrorists. Now THAT was the epitome of Palin hypocrisy.
josef
June 7th, 2012
2:48 pm
K’CHAK
@ 2:46
Be nice. He just now got the memo.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
June 7th, 2012
2:51 pm
Cynthia Tucker’s Assistant needs some serious help — I think she’s over worked and under developed.
Jack in Cumming
June 7th, 2012
2:52 pm
Sarah Palin hung out with bill Ayers?
Oblama
June 7th, 2012
2:53 pm
Kool – I didn’t say black people voted for Obama because he is black. I was quoting Samuel L. Jackson. I’m not knocking him for his honesty but I can’t respect the reason he gave for voting for Obama. Getalife said Romney was racist. I have not accused anyone (recently) of being racist. There are racists of all color and Getalife knows if he is one. I don’t.
josef
June 7th, 2012
2:53 pm
DDR
“…and under developed.”
Well, we know what to do about that, eh?
So, how the hell are ya?
n
June 7th, 2012
2:53 pm
They had to destroy pensions so that the CEO’s could increase their salaries 10,000%.
File a fake bankruptcy, destroy the vested rights of your workforce, and increase your own salary and perks to sky-high levels, then be reborn as a “slimmer, more efficient” company. Ditto your board of directors and other insiders.
Maintain multiple mansions in multiple countries. Keep your bank accounts out of the reach of U.S. taxes.
If possible, send your jobs outside the U.S. to augment your bottom line. To hell with American workers. Don’t need them anymore because goods and services originate in other places and are sold in other places outside the U.S, for the most part.
An exception: our auto industry is doing great because its now selling to China. They want to live like decadent Americans and drive our big cars.
Repeat over and over again until you have completely gutted America’s work force and destroyed the Middle Class.
getalife
June 7th, 2012
2:53 pm
That was fun.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
June 7th, 2012
2:55 pm
I don’t recall the Wisconsin economy collapsing despite Governor Walker doing the opposite of what you propose
did you recall when Walker used part of Obama’s stimulus to balance his budget? No? Hmmmm….wonder why……………
USMC
June 7th, 2012
2:55 pm
Obama Was A Member Of Socialist New Party In 1996: Breitbart Breaking Story
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2233/036/Obama_Was_A_Member_Of_Socialist_New_Party_In_1996:_Breitbart_Breaking_Story.html
OH! that’s why people call Obama a Socialist; now I get it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
2:56 pm
Be nice. He just now got the memo.
I read the comments before I spout off, why shouldn’t he?
n
June 7th, 2012
2:56 pm
Clinton, the faux Democrat, fit right in with the plan and is still shilling for CEO’s.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
2:56 pm
Breitbart, there’s your sign.
josef
June 7th, 2012
2:57 pm
USMC
Why? Because Breitbart said it? Is that where the memo came from?
Jack in Cumming
June 7th, 2012
2:58 pm
From the October 1996 Update of the DSA ‘New Party’:
“New Party members are busy knocking on doors, hammering down lawn signs, and phoning voters to support NP candidates this fall. Here are some of our key races…
Illinois: Three NP-members won Democratic primaries last Spring and face off against Republican opponents on election day: Danny Davis (U.S. House), Barack Obama (State Senate) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary).”
josef
June 7th, 2012
2:58 pm
K’CHAK
“I read the comments before I spout off, why shouldn’t he?”
Takes too much time, maybe?
Jack in Cumming
June 7th, 2012
2:59 pm
Breitbart is not a reliable source guys. Not like Dan rather
Jm-pass TSPLOST unless you love congestion
June 7th, 2012
2:59 pm
Getalife you’re unhinged
But still entertaining
Much more so than poor ole kammy
Bill ayers
June 7th, 2012
2:59 pm
Whats wrong with hanging out wih terrorist
Bill ayers
June 7th, 2012
3:01 pm
Michigan state polling show Romney with slight lead… Wow!
That Black Guy
June 7th, 2012
3:01 pm
“To the contrary, they would sit back and applaud as it all comes tumbling down around our ears.”
“Some, I fear, might even take a perverse Puritan-like pleasure in seeing it happen.”
Jay, after posting this, do you REALLY not see why the political discourse in this country is in such a sad state?
Just as I don’t think Obama and the democrats want to “destroy America”, I don’t think republicians want to either.
That you think to low of you fellow Americans is sad and you are to be pitied.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
3:02 pm
Not like Dan rather
Who here said Dan Rather was a reliable source?
Strawman argument.
HDB
June 7th, 2012
3:02 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
12:56 pm
“Let’s say you come home from work and find there has
been a sewer backup in your neighborhood. Your home has sewage all the way
up to your ceilings.
What do you think you should do?
Raise the ceilings or pump out the sh**?”
You do BOTH!! You raise the ceiling so you can get the proper mechanisms in to pump out the s#!t…because you may have forgotten….solids sink and solidify!!
USMC
June 7th, 2012
3:03 pm
“Breitbart, there’s your sign.”
Thug from steppes, there’s your sign
F. Sinkwich
June 7th, 2012
3:03 pm
If the stimulus was so wonderful, why doesn’t O’bozo brag about it in every speech he gives?
Same for Obamacare.
Oscar
June 7th, 2012
3:04 pm
Talking Head
June 7th, 2012
2:16 pm
“think the answer you’re looking for is the FED.
______
I think part of the answer is lack of regulation of the financial industry.”
Perhaps a contributing percentage, however I think an organization that controls the money supply and sets interest rates for the world’s largest economy has a much larger significant impact on market volatility
__________
Agree that money supply and interest rates matter and contribute to the direction of the economy, but there are other factors that coun and contribute to stock market prices. Size of money supply counts more after the recession or depression starts. Then have to be sure money supply does not shirnk or there will be no demand and economy can’t start upward again.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
3:05 pm
ILK ALERT!
TaxPayer
June 7th, 2012
3:05 pm
Sarah, who’s you pal?
Tom Middleton
June 7th, 2012
3:05 pm
Breitbart’s dead. There’s God’s sign.
That Black Guy
June 7th, 2012
3:06 pm
Jay
June 7th, 2012
9:33 am
Ty:
Would YOU support a Republican congressman who in similar circumstances voted for another TARP or another stimulus?
____________________________
You didn’t ask me, but my answer is NO.
Not if the TARP didn’t contain restrictive language on what the banks could and could not do with the funds.
Not if the stimulus was not thought out better with a more focused approach.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
3:06 pm
“If the stimulus was so wonderful, why doesn’t O’bozo brag about it in every speech he gives?”
If it was so bad why doesn’t the Republican Governors, Congressmen and Senators who rail against it yet took money from it keep forgetting to tell people like you what they did?
Bill ayers
June 7th, 2012
3:06 pm
Strawman or not can you imagine if Internet blogs and tal radio did not exist? Imagine have access to ky network news and maybe CNN. Thankfully we have people like those at Breitbart to talk about acorn, bill ayers, the new socialist evidence, the relationship wuth wright
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
3:06 pm
USMC — “OH! that’s why people call Obama a Socialist; now I get it.”
Right, because if they looked at what he’s actually doing in the White House, they might get the impression that he’s really a corporatist. And that would eff up the talking points and the rants you guys love.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
June 7th, 2012
3:07 pm
Oblama
June 7th, 2012
2:53 pm
Comment wasn’t for you sport.
Thulsa Doom
June 7th, 2012
3:07 pm
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
2:45 pm
“Did anyone else see the story of Obama being a membr of so socialist party in his days in Chicago.”
Got some links?
Peadawg,
Why would you doubt that? In his own book Dreams of my Father the man writes that he attended socialist conferences in Coopers Union and that he gravitated towards Marxist professors. Are his own words in his own book not to be believed? Is he lying in his own book about his political leanings? And its generally acknowledged that his teen mentor was Frank Marshall Davis- a known member of the American Communist Party.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
3:07 pm
“Breitbart, there’s your sign.”–Thug
The Useful Idiots Reign on Bookman’s blog!
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
3:07 pm
TBG @ 3:06
I would have to agree with you on that. While we needed stimulus, I’m fairly certain that a more robust plan could have been put in place……….
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
3:08 pm
After getting caught up on all the posts, I think I now know what the definition of delusional lickspittle is…
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
3:08 pm
F. Sinkiewicz — “If the stimulus was so wonderful, why doesn’t O’bozo brag about it in every speech he gives? Same for Obamacare.”
If you actually listened to any of his speeches, you’d realize that he’s still bragging about both of them, Fishy.
Michael
June 7th, 2012
3:08 pm
If all the stock market gains since 1928 are attributed to democratic presidents, and all the stock market crashes since 1928 are attributed to republican presidents, why would I want a republican anywhere near the White House?
HDB
June 7th, 2012
3:08 pm
USMC
June 7th, 2012
2:22 pm
“cons vote for willard because he is white.”–getalife
Funny, the only people bringing RACE/SKIN COLOR up these days are the Liberal Wingnuts… ”
What about the plan exposed by the NY TImes by the GOP PAC’s that put race and Jeremiah Wright back on the scene…and lest you forget the birthers……..??? That’s race/color/nationality…..the GOP plays that game quite often…..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
3:09 pm
Strawman or not can you imagine if Internet blogs and tal radio did not exist?
Can you imagine if unicorns crapped Skittles?
Jack in cumming
June 7th, 2012
3:09 pm
Thr thing that is most telling is how in high school
Obama coined the word interception for stealing
A puff puff give. I mean that is Dbag move
josef
June 7th, 2012
3:09 pm
Hey, guess what? The Breitbart memo just came on e-mail…
Ray Bradbury was a Tea Party patriot…
“Ray Bradbury: Science Fiction Legend, Tea Party Patriot
Author Ray Bradbury, the science fiction legend who passed away last night at 91, was known for his anti-authority stories. But in his later years his conservatism flowered as did his support for the Tea Party.”
Oblama
June 7th, 2012
3:10 pm
Time for a new party that actually cares about this country and is not in bed with special interests with deep pockets. That leaves out the Dems and the Repubs. The recent Pugh Poll found that the Dems are further to the left than they have been and the Repubs have moved further to the right. Reform and simplification of the tax code, a balanced budget amendment to get this deficit under control, and Term Limits for Congress .
USMC
June 7th, 2012
3:10 pm
“Right, because if they looked at what he’s actually doing in the White House, they might get the impression that he’s really a corporatist. And that would eff up the talking points and the rants you guys love.”
I guess Gram-pa Joe was asleep when Comrade Obama and Congress Rammed Socialist Healthcare Mandates down the country’s throat.
That’s okay Gram-pa, go back to sleep.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
3:10 pm
B. Ayers — “Thankfully we have people like those at Breitbart to talk about acorn, bill ayers, the new socialist evidence, the relationship wuth wright”
Jeff Gannon, we hardly knew ye.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon
Jack in cumming
June 7th, 2012
3:10 pm
I wonder if the unions are not hacked about Obama not backing Barrett enough
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
3:10 pm
And all this socialism and communism is exactly illegal how?
It is the same exact crap that was spewed and he was elected by a good margin. . He ran McCain and Plain right out of the Electoral College gym………
So I say, since it worked for the right so well last time……….. Keep up the chants and diaolouge
Commie this, Pinko that, Red till he is Dead, blah, blah, blah
josef
June 7th, 2012
3:11 pm
BROSEPHUS
Now, can we move on to Plantation Liberal…
Real Scootter
June 7th, 2012
3:11 pm
ILK ALERT
Dangit Kam! You beat me to it.I like that one.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
3:12 pm
josef
Saw some of Bradbury’s quotes on Politico last night……….
Jack in cumming
June 7th, 2012
3:12 pm
Socialism is not illegal just unamerican
Thomas
June 7th, 2012
3:12 pm
Really get old reading about how stimulus reduced unemployment. Yes, a case of red bull will give a jolt to a thirsty homeless person as well.
250k plus per job is disgusting and an abject failure. Stimulus three about to be crammed down. Get the vaseline ready.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
3:13 pm
USMC — “I guess Gram-pa Joe was asleep when Comrade Obama and Congress Rammed Socialist Healthcare Mandates down the country’s throat.”
You mean Medicare? And the VA Health Care System? Nope, I remember those just fine, and most of the country loves ‘em.
“That’s okay Gram-pa, go back to sleep.”
I’m more awake and attentive than you, sonny boy.
Jack in cumming
June 7th, 2012
3:14 pm
Thank you al gore for inventing the Internet for good info and in his blogs case
Good comrdy
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
3:15 pm
Thulsa, asking for links does not equal doubt. Asking for links is asking for the commenter to backup his/her claim. Sorry if that’s confusing for you.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/302031/obamas-third-party-history-stanley-kurtz?pg=1
Interesting indeed…..
“why would I want a republican anywhere near the White House?” – I don’t want Jay to ban me so I won’t post the reasons.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
3:15 pm
Jack — “Socialism is not illegal just unamerican”
Be sure not to claim your Social Security and Medicare benefits, then. Wouldn’t want to see you get any of that hypocrisy all over your clothes.
Jack in cumming
June 7th, 2012
3:15 pm
Did Obama really fail to acknedge dday yesterday? I hear he was fundraising in Beverly hills
Jack in cumming
June 7th, 2012
3:16 pm
They won’t be arOund for me to acknowledge them
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
3:16 pm
…Rammed Socialist Healthcare Mandates down the country’s throat.
I have found that those who complain the most about having something rammed down their throats are the same ones who will swallow anything.
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
3:16 pm
“And all this socialism and communism is exactly illegal how?” – Who said anything about illegal?
Immoral and un-American, yes.
Michael
June 7th, 2012
3:16 pm
I’ve seen some comments here about money supply, the fed, and other reasons the democratic presidents achieved better results. If the score were 55-45, you could argue that the sun was in our eyes, or the wind was against us all day. When the score is 12,000 to -430, you don’t quibble about the conditions. You should try to learn why your system does not work.
Oscar
June 7th, 2012
3:17 pm
The problem with increasing the money supply now – stimulus – that the money gets spent on products from China and Asai and goes out of the counrty instead of creating manufacturing jobs in the US. Makes it difficult to start the economy as that takes away wone of the main tools. Spending on infrastructure, training in techical jobs and education would help.
Cutting taxes and raising spending on defense would be the worst things we could do.
Dekalb comments
June 7th, 2012
3:17 pm
Ref: USMC @ 3:10
You do realize that you already pay for the free care that the uninsured get today don’t you? That is the absolute best of socialism. You don’t know who they are but they are digging into your pocket at an alarming rate.
I would much rather get everyone insured and fine those that refuse to play by the rules. The fine may not go too far in paying for the free healthcare the uninsured will get but it is something better than today.
But we will never, despite the claps and cheers of the audience during one of the GOP debates, allow someone to die simply because they don’t have health insurance. That is not who we are as a people. If we consider ourselves to share any humanity you don’t let them die.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
3:17 pm
BOTH suck
“If it was so bad why doesn’t the Republican Governors, Congressmen and Senators who rail against it yet took money from it keep forgetting to tell people like you what they did?”
Mentioned the other day, people here in Texas rail against the stimulus and the deficit, I just say “The DFW connector’s being built because of a quarter billion in stimulus funds. Do you want to send the money back and have Texans pay for it?” and they go “huh?… wait… what?”
Amazing, isn’t it?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
3:17 pm
I hear he was fundraising in Beverly hills
I hear I will be driving for the ELF team in the Monaco Grand Prix.
Jack in cumming
June 7th, 2012
3:18 pm
Is it really true that obamas bio had him listed as a Kenyan for years until he ran for office?
TaxPayer
June 7th, 2012
3:18 pm
If only those 2+ trillion dollars worth of Bush tax cuts could have netted US a job, or two even.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
3:18 pm
“I have found that those who complain the most about having something rammed down their throats are the same ones who will swallow anything.”
Too funny
Oblama
June 7th, 2012
3:18 pm
Kool – good enough.
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
3:19 pm
Taxpayer,
Jesus was part of the OWS movement ? Jesus did say “give to Ceasar what is Ceasars” didn’t he ?
Pretty rebellious sounding I have to admit.
To all you libs, what exactly is it about rich people that drives you crazy please ?
Just so I can try to understand your base line issue.
Example, cons believe the government should control its spending so it can stop looking at our wallets as its bank. If it did that We would have more to feed, educate and live with since it would stay with us.
Jack in cumming
June 7th, 2012
3:20 pm
Did Obama actually claim the atimulus would stop unemployment from rising above eight percent?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
3:20 pm
Is it really true that obamas bio had him listed as a Kenyan for years until he ran for office?
Is it really true that you stopped beating your wives?
Oscar
June 7th, 2012
3:21 pm
Money is like manuse, for it to do any good, it has to be spread around. But it has to be done so in the right way.
Jack in cumming
June 7th, 2012
3:21 pm
I think it’s either a jeslousy thing over having money or being a strong independent minded person Mama…it also could be weiner envy
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
3:22 pm
Paul @ 3:17
It is amazing how hoodwinked many on the right have been in terms of the stimulus. They cheer and rave when they hear or read about a Republican railing against the stimulus and how they didn’t vote for it, yet they don’t even know the same exact guy probably had his hands in the “stimulus pot”. They knew when they voted against it that they were going to be ALL UP IN IT…….
Dobbie Bros: “What a Fool Believes” comes to mind
Jack in cumming
June 7th, 2012
3:22 pm
Is it true that Obama said running up deficits are unpatriotic?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
3:23 pm
K’Chak — “Is it really true that you stopped beating your wives?”
You got there ahead of me.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
3:23 pm
“it also could be weiner envy”
jack if you do not measure up, it isn’t our business and certainly nothing to brag about
But carry on
NewAmericaNow
June 7th, 2012
3:24 pm
Don’t be foolish. Obama’s stimulus worked as well as giving a heroin addict more heroin to cure him of addiction. It made the addict temporarily feel better but the underlying problem still exists. In order for the problem to be resolved we must correct the fundamental problem. It WILL be painful but people don’t want to hear that. Eventually, pretending the problem is fixed will make greater pain through a fatal overdose or someone else decides no more heroin. Eventually the piper must be paid.
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
3:24 pm
josef
I don’t think we’ll find that definition here.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
3:24 pm
“I have found that those who complain the most about having something rammed down their throats are the same ones who will swallow anything.”–koatchek thug
Sounds like an issue between you and your boyfriend, not interested, thanks
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
June 7th, 2012
3:25 pm
So, how the hell are ya?
hi josef! Well right now I’m over worked, under appreciated, seriously thinking about becoming a housewife so that I can do some “real work”; having withdrawal symptons from having NOT gone shoe shopping for three months! (Hi I’m Debbie, and I’m a shoe-a-holic. Group – “Hi Debbie”); loosing too much weight, (don’t know why — I think I just need to stop jogging so much and take up something else….like shoe shopping!), AND totally bummed that that crazy guy in Wisconsin is still there!!!
I have some friends who live in LaSalle, WI; who are teachers who HATE that guy! (so I’m honor bound to hate him too); and they were really, really, upset that he’s still on the job when thousands of them aren’t due to cuts.
Hmmm how am I doing………….well, also, I’ve come to realize that happines is NOT between my wallet. I have stopped using “retail therapy” as an outlet and now i have less clothes than I did last year this time AND I’m wearing THE SAME CLOTHES that I had last year!! I know times are hard, but I”m a single (mostly — my husband works overseas), woman with no kids and no real reason to spend money on anybody but ME, (and my neice and nephew); so without retail therapy I’m just LOST.
I’m thinking about either taking up another class, (probably French or chineese or something), OR taking up Tae Kwon Do…… ANYTHING to stop the “I’ve got nothing to dooooooo” blues!
Anywhooooo, How are YOU doing?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
3:26 pm
Sounds like an issue between you and your boyfriend…
There’s your sign.
Hot Air
June 7th, 2012
3:26 pm
Sucks – and now you are the great philosopher? It’s not working.
Thulsa Doom
June 7th, 2012
3:26 pm
Michael,
You may also want to take note that generally when the stock market did well under D presidents it was because there was an R Congress. And that when the stock market didn’t fare generally well under R presidents you should take note of the fact that it was often with a D Congress. Congress controls the purse strings and hence fiscal restraint and that has as much if not more to do with how business perceives the economic environment as anything the president can do.
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
3:28 pm
Did Obama actually claim the atimulus would stop unemployment from rising above eight percent?
No. *This has been another episode of simple answers to simple questions.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
3:28 pm
“Congress controls the purse strings and hence fiscal restraint ”
Guess you will not be voting for any Republican Congressmen anytime soon
Jack in cumming
June 7th, 2012
3:29 pm
Thulsa…it’s that why the budgets were balanced after reps took over congress in 1994…or why overspending under bush sky rocketed in 2006?
Thulsa Doom
June 7th, 2012
3:29 pm
Jack in cumming
June 7th, 2012
3:22 pm
Is it true that Obama said running up deficits are unpatriotic?
No. I think he said running up deficits is unAmerican.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
3:29 pm
“Thug from the Steppes”–
There’s your sign.
Liberaci
June 7th, 2012
3:30 pm
The deficit and debt aren’t a problem.
Jefferson
June 7th, 2012
3:30 pm
What a load a crap, is out here.
Paul
June 7th, 2012
3:31 pm
Jack
“Did Obama actually claim the atimulus would stop unemployment from rising above eight percent?”
It was actually Christina Romer, one of Pres Obama’s economic advisors. How the 8 percent came up is quite interesting. How it’s been portrayed is even more interesting.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/oral-history/financial-crisis/christina-romer/
But as Jay noted the other day, new data then came to light that pretty much invalidated the assumptions. But for those with a locked in time mentality, that’s irrelevant.
Hi DDR!!!
Liberaci
June 7th, 2012
3:31 pm
Cons have fun when the economy collapses
Jack in cumming
June 7th, 2012
3:31 pm
Oh…thx thulsa
Thulsa Doom
June 7th, 2012
3:32 pm
The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic.- Barack Obama 2008
Jack in Cumming,
I stand corrected. You were right. He said running up deficits was “unpatriotic”. And now we stand at near 16 trillion in debt.
Liberaci
June 7th, 2012
3:32 pm
Cons won’t compromise by simply agreeing with us
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
3:33 pm
Someone please tell me what libs hate about rich people, please !
Oblama
June 7th, 2012
3:33 pm
Hot Air – welcome to the game. Sucks is illusive if you know what I mean.
227 more days
June 7th, 2012
3:34 pm
Kammie,
If you are going to sit in the side lines and throw out your stupid one liners, at least up date your material
josef
June 7th, 2012
3:35 pm
DDR
Doing fine! A few days off here on the taxpayer’s dime…I took your suggestion and have started writing it all down…I’ve finally got the “hook…” Thanks for the push. Otherwise, not much…
Liberaci
June 7th, 2012
3:35 pm
Crummy weather. Bush’s fault.
Jack in cumming
June 7th, 2012
3:35 pm
Mama…from the look of the wisc libs I would say they envy our lack of BO…or our ability to fend for ouselves
Real Scootter
June 7th, 2012
3:36 pm
Well,it looks like we are down to mostly “one liners” now.
Maybe I can come out and play now! I’ll ask my mom.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
3:36 pm
Obama Caught Lying Again: He Was Member of ‘New Party,’ Says Kurtz
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/07/Obama-Caught-Lying-Again-He-WAS-Member-of-New-Party-Says-Kurtz
Shocked I am!
Liberaci
June 7th, 2012
3:37 pm
Rich people make poor people feel poor so they owe poor people.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
3:37 pm
Hot Air
What Oblama is attempting to say is that he doesn’t have the ability to see any deeper than a left / right paradigm. He can’t fathom not being able fit people into a nice little box like he is in. His brain goes on tilt
Oblama: It is ok. Know you were scared so I spelled it out for him.
Glad I could assist. Anytime my friend
josef
June 7th, 2012
3:37 pm
MAMA
I like rich people myself, but then I’m a plantation liberal…
Don't Forget
June 7th, 2012
3:38 pm
Mama says, I don’t have anything against the rich in general but the ones who think they are God’s gift to America…… that’s another story.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
3:38 pm
Doom — “I stand corrected. You were right. He said running up deficits was “unpatriotic”. And now we stand at near 16 trillion in debt.”
And with an R Congress, even. (laughing)
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
3:39 pm
“I stand corrected. You were right. He said running up deficits was “unpatriotic”. And now we stand at near 16 trillion in debt.”
he did say that and it is fair game to call him out, however that is an exact contradiction to YOUR own post about Congress
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
June 7th, 2012
3:39 pm
Hi Paul!!! Man Bummer about the Spurs huh? I had them going all the way and now I owe some guy name Lucky $25!! Sucks huh? I STILL don’t understand how they dropped that game! They were ahead and let those upstart “Thunders” get back in the game!
I also HATE Oklahoma, (not really, but I feel honor bound to say that since they beat the Spurs), and have no idea why anyone sane person would want to live there!
I’m starting an on-line blog called, “People who hate Oklahoma”. So far, 50 million people have signed up…….just waiting to blog about how depressing Oklahoma is!
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
3:39 pm
JHM
Doomy is not even catching his own contradiction. He must not be on his A game today
Adam
June 7th, 2012
3:40 pm
If you want your money to go to other things, you have enough back from tax cuts that you can change things to be the way you like just by donating to the right PAC. I mean, you ARE all millionaires already right? because if not, your voice, your vote, and your opinion no longer counts. Money is speech, but speech isn’t.
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
3:40 pm
USMC
June 7th, 2012
3:36 pm
You’re a little late
. I didn’t like the guy before this revelation so it doesn’t change much for me. Hillary write-in here I come.
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
3:40 pm
Someone please tell me what libs hate about rich people, please !
Someone please tell me why certain people are so juvenile, please.
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
3:40 pm
“And with an R Congress, even.” – Um…didn’t he have a D Congress for 2 years?
Don't Forget
June 7th, 2012
3:41 pm
USMC, give it up. Breitbart and his followers were exposed for what they are with the Shirley Sherrod slander.
Liberaci
June 7th, 2012
3:42 pm
Rich people drive nice cars and have big houses. Bad.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
June 7th, 2012
3:43 pm
Why would you doubt that? In his own book Dreams of my Father the man writes that he attended socialist conferences in Coopers Union and that he gravitated towards Marxist professors. Are his own words in his own book not to be believed? Is he lying in his own book about his political leanings? And its generally acknowledged that his teen mentor was Frank Marshall Davis- a known member of the American Communist Party
OMG First did you even READ the book or are you spouting “bullcrap” that you’ve heard someone else say?
Secondly, are you still the same person at 30(?) that you were at 18? If you are, than you haven’t learned anything in 12 years except how to become stagnate and repetitive.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
3:44 pm
Breitbart and his followers were exposed for what they are with the Shirley Sherrod slander.
Not to mention the multiple shenanigans of “independent film-maker” James “The Love Boat” O’keefe.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
3:44 pm
“USMC, give it up. Breitbart and his followers were exposed for what they are with the Shirley Sherrod slander.”–Don’t you, forget about me…
Yeah okay Don’t Forget, whatever you say…. We’ll forget and “give up”.
Thanks for the good advise.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
3:44 pm
peadawg — ““And with an R Congress, even.” – Um…didn’t he have a D Congress for 2 years?”
Hasn’t he had an R Congress for the last year and a half? And did the deficit spending stop?
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
3:45 pm
I would never try to say that there are no rich jerks, matter of fact there are a lot of them. But thre are just as many middle class and poor jerks.
What I am really trying to understand is where this anti business, CEO mentality comes from. What drives it ? I mean it seems directed at people simply because they have money.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
3:45 pm
DDR
Spurs blew it for sure………… Even at the end down by 4 with 50 seconds they took 3 3s and of course missed them all. Didn’t try to get a quick 2 at all……
Not a Spurs fan, but like Duncan.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
3:46 pm
K’Chak — “James “The Love Boat” O’keefe.”
I love that the most conclusive evidence of voter fraud yet uncovered is O’Keefe and his gang VIDEOTAPING THEMSELVES IN THE ACT OF DOING IT.
And that chimp wants to know why he doesn’t have a Pulitzer yet.
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
3:46 pm
“And with an R Congress, even.” – Um…didn’t he have a D Congress for 2 years?
Yep. But “Obamaspendfestpalooza” has been courtesy of both Republican and Democratic appropriation bills. Obama can’t spend money that Congress doesn’t appropriate.
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
3:47 pm
Jam Vet,
I asked an adult question. I would like an answer. You have no problem reciting the lib line, can you tell me ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
3:47 pm
Paul:
1) Those who have served (in actual combat) are sometimes a little more intense in their feelings about many subjects. There are many reasons for this ……. don’t have the time now.
I’m sure you have been to football games to cheer on your team ……… and you certainly are intense in your cheering ……… but the guys on the field are just probably a little more so. Just the way it is.
2) “While we want to preach the truth in love, the Bible is often offensive …… ”
I never compared myself to the Lord. I simply quoted what he said about those who follow Him and the fact that non-believers will hate them also. You’ll have to take that up with Him.
3) What should happen to those in the “chain of command” is not for YOU or ME to decide. Those decisions are thankfully made by those who have all the facts and the authority act accordingly ………. under the law.
4) First, please find the quote from me where I said “I was the expert” in USSS matters.
“Administrative aciton” is taken based on the facts involved AND what has been done in the past. In other words, discipline must be consistent. You can’t put the hammer down on someone for political expediency. It is my understanding that some of those involved are going to federal court so that will involve the judicial process as well. It’s really not that difficult to understand.
5) Regarding Former President Clinton, I didn’t think you would answer that one.
I try my best to be consistent. For example, if someone is unfaithful to their spouse (Republican or Democrat) I weigh that with all the other issues and cast my vote. Being unfaithful is not a crime but it should be taken into account as to character. Most often it’s the lesser of two evils.
That said, once that type of activity is brought onto government property with someone under your chain of command ……….. that is BEYOND just unfaithfulness. It “should” get you fired !
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
3:49 pm
Bro @ 3:46
Exactly………. Blame to go all around. Too bad we aren’t seeing good ideas all around
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
3:50 pm
Mama Says — “What I am really trying to understand is where this anti business, CEO mentality comes from.”
That’s your first misjudgment.
“What drives it ? I mean it seems directed at people simply because they have money.”
By that logic, Republicans hate rich people too, since they’ve been slagging on George Soros and Warren Buffett quite a bit lately.
Maybe you should drop the presumption, back up and ask *what* we’re so upset *about,* rather than framing the question in terms of ‘why do you hate money, business and rich people?’ After all, that very same question could be posed to conservatives with very little amending.
Oscar
June 7th, 2012
3:50 pm
What I am really trying to understand is where this anti business, CEO mentality comes from. What drives it
_______
It comes from the fact that we are in a recession with over eight per cent umployment, half the homes with mortgages are underwater, almost everything we buy is made in Asia, and the people who do have jobs can’t afford to live like they want to or did n the past.
Economic discontent breeds resentment and frustration. And people want someone to blame. Bush, Obama, Congress, Wall Street, Rich people. anyone will do who is available.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
3:50 pm
And that chimp wants to know why he doesn’t have a Pulitzer yet.
O’Keefe as Pulitzer material?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
3:50 pm
What I am really trying to understand is where this anti business, CEO mentality comes from. What drives it ?
Talking points. At times, the mere mention of the words CEO and tax revenues in the same sentence is enough to be labeled as anti-business or anti-CEO. Instead of applying active listening techniques when we’re talking to each other, our communication skills in this country has devolved into talking AT each other and projecting what we want to hear as opposed to what the person is actually saying. All you have to do is sit back and read the exchanges here to see USDA Grade A proof of that.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
3:50 pm
getalife:
“scout,
The secret service were in a bar with a hooker when Lincoln was shot.”
And you would as usual be wrong. That individual was an officer from the Metropolitan Police Department.
The Secret Service was not authorized to protect the President of the United States until 1901 …….. the day after McKinley was shot.
History 101 !
Skip
June 7th, 2012
3:51 pm
Call me when congress cuts their pay and benefits, until then it’s really just BS isn’t it.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
3:51 pm
0311 — “those who follow Him and the fact that non-believers will hate them also.”
I don’t hate you. I simply disagree with you on a lot of things. That doesn’t mean that I *hate* you.
I disagree with Doom a lot, but I don’t hate him, either.
TaxPayer
June 7th, 2012
3:51 pm
Breitbart. I think I have heard mention of that name. Wasn’t he that drunk that made a fool of himself in front of some people at one of those OWS gatherings.
Don't Forget
June 7th, 2012
3:52 pm
Mama Says, if you followed along on the CEO pay blog the other day you’d have noted a near consensus that CEO’s who truly perform deserve to be compensated for their performance. It’s the one’s who fail and then get big bonus’s that deserve scorn. Heads they win, tails the stockholders lose in other words.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
3:52 pm
“It “should” get you fired !”
That certainly can be argued with merit, however during his trial in the Senate, several Republicans decided the charges did not merit him being fired. If more had said “guilty”, he have been done.
An “impeachment” is an indictment not a verdict
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
3:52 pm
“Hasn’t he had an R Congress for the last year and a half?”
Nope, there’s been a R House. Not a R Congress.
Try again Joe.
Liberaci
June 7th, 2012
3:52 pm
Rich people are spending my money. They took it from me through evil profits.
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
3:52 pm
Anyways, what’s your point, Joe?
USMC
June 7th, 2012
3:53 pm
HALPERIN: DEMS NOW BELIEVE OBAMA COULD LOSE
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2116715-1,00.html
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
June 7th, 2012
3:53 pm
Example, cons believe the government should control its spending so it can stop looking at our wallets as its bank.
When did this conversion happen? Was it before, during or after the Reagan, Bush I, Dubya years?
Josef – That’s great!!! I should start doing something productive. I have my volunteer work, but now even that isn’t doing it for me anymore!! Maybe I should become a con and say really stupid things like, “Why do Dems hate rich people………..”
USMC – you actually believe ANYTHING coming from Briebart?!? Wow!! Hey, I got this bridge that I wanna build in Alaksa, it doesn’t actually go anywhere, but if you donate $5K you can be part owner!!
Adam
June 7th, 2012
3:53 pm
Rich people have a voice. Not-rich people do not. And there is no way to switch from not-rich to rich except by a chance that is more rare than voter fraud or getting struck by lightning.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
3:54 pm
josef:
“I realize you’re being ganged up on and I always feel obliged to defend the underdog, so read this as a defense. I try to respect your beliefs, even though they’re different from mine. I won’t call you a bigot. You’re not. You do put thought into it. However, you treat the Bible like a Chinese menu. So do we all. But if you would just go ahead and acknowledge that, and then tell how you came to pick the particular one and ignore the others, you’d have more credibility, imauo.”
And this is where we disagree on that subject:
1) Many factors must be taken into account ………. O.T. ceremonial law/eating shellfish ? (no longer applicable to the N.T. Christian). Even Jesus violated the sabbath rules to make that point.
2) Context ? Always important !
“Lay hands suddenly on no man”.
Now ……… does that have to do with “fighting” or the “ordination” of someone by the laying on of hands. Check it out ……….. I’m sure you will find the correct answer …………….
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
3:54 pm
Too bad we aren’t seeing good ideas all around
Well, when you have people with huge megaphones screaming how bad things are, the people with the good ideas can’t be heard. Our political system is basically at war with itself, and I don’t see it changing until it collapses completely. I only hope that the country, as a whole, doesn’t suffer for the jackassery of the few.
josef
June 7th, 2012
3:55 pm
back in a bit…
USMC
June 7th, 2012
3:55 pm
Holder Claims Emails Using Words ‘Fast and Furious’ Don’t Refer to Operation ‘Fast and Furious’…
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/holder-claims-emails-using-words-fast-and-furious-don-t-refer-operation-fast-and
Only in the dishonest/corrupt world of Affirmative Action. You can’t make this stuff up.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
3:56 pm
Hummmm ……………….
Headline: “Poll: Barack Obama in dead heat with Mitt Romney in Michigan as popularity slips”
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
3:56 pm
Has anyone aheard from JKL2? I’m still waiting for him to answer my question as to how he envisions the country still being able to function by “eliminating the middle man” and relying on the good people of America to voluntarily pick up the tab.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
3:56 pm
Brosephus: I only hope that the country, as a whole, doesn’t suffer for the jackassery of the few.
No such luck.
This sucker is going down. HARD this time.
Liberaci
June 7th, 2012
3:56 pm
CEOs are anti American
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
3:57 pm
USMC
June 7th, 2012
3:55 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
3:57 pm
K’Chak — “O’Keefe as Pulitzer material?”
I’m not kidding. Apparently there’s chatter on the web comparing him to Upton Sinclair (never mind that Sinclair was an *actual* Socialist), and some anecdotal evidence that he keeps up with it, gets an ego boost from it and sometimes chimes in to keep the chatter going.
I think he fancies himself a muckraker in the mold of Sinclair, but it seems to escape him that Sinclair tried to expose corruption and exploitation of the lower classes, not to justify and give cover to such exploitation. And the fact that O’Keefe committed voter fraud on tape just solidifies the notion of his crew as The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight. To me, anyhow.
Liberaci
June 7th, 2012
3:57 pm
CEO’s don’t hire people, poor people do
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
3:58 pm
They BOTH Suck at 3:52
That’s why I said “should”.
P.S. Not saying “you” hate me. Many do. If the shoe fits ……………..
P.S.S. For a Christian, hate by the non-Christian world is a badge of honor.
Drudge
June 7th, 2012
3:58 pm
You’re right – let’s see if Obama has time to prevent such a collapse on his was between Clooney’s house and the Hilton Beverly Hills.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
3:59 pm
Peadawg — “Nope, there’s been a R House. Not a R Congress. Try again Joe.”
And spending bills originate in the WHERE, again?
Your deflector shields are failing, Dawg.
Adam
June 7th, 2012
4:00 pm
P.S.S. For a Christian, hate by the non-Christian world is a badge of honor.
Only if you’re actually the type that “lets them see the good that you do.” Not seeing much but negativity coming from your direction. And yes, glee at a failing economy and glee every time a negative story comes out about Obama counts as negativity, despite the fact you feel positively happy about it.
USMC
June 7th, 2012
4:01 pm
“CEOs are anti American”–Liberace
-there’s your sign…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
4:01 pm
Now how did this happen? Georgia law prohibits the carrying of firearms in church !
Headline (AJC): “Two fatally shot, two wounded at DeKalb funeral”
“The shootings occurred at Victory For The World Church on North Hairston Road near Stone Mountain, where a 1 p.m. funeral for Ryan Devon Guider of Decatur was taking place, according to DeKalb County police.”
killerj
June 7th, 2012
4:01 pm
We aint out of the woods yet brother………..
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
4:01 pm
What I am really trying to understand is where this anti business, CEO mentality comes from. What drives it ? I mean it seems directed at people simply because they have money.
What I am really trying to understand is where this speaking in sophist generalities come from.
This lib has excoriated big business for a raft of legitimate reasons. Record criminality and gargantuan welfare and tax dodging among them.
What drives it? A deep respect for the rule of law. By everyone, no matter how big or small, rich or poor. And by everyone I also mean this disgusting perversion called corporate personhood.
I am a capitalist and own my own business. I love capitalism, including corporations.
And most, by far, are completely ethical and legitimate.
But what exists now, regarding how corporations have become out masters instead of our servants, is a travesty…
USMC
June 7th, 2012
4:02 pm
“CEO’s don’t hire people, poor people do”–Liberace
-And there’s your sign again!
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
4:02 pm
Liberaci — “CEO’s don’t hire people, poor people do”
CEOs don’t create demand. Customers do.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
4:02 pm
Adam:
1) “Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works …………….. ”
2) Cancer must be exposed to the light and cut out.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
June 7th, 2012
4:03 pm
numbers – getalife was telling a JOKE. A J-O-K-E!!! Man, you are wayyyy to into this blog sometimes dude!!
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Both – It HURT when the Spurs lost!!! I mean physically HURT! How could they loose that game?!? It was like they just gave up and said, “Fugg It!! I’ll wait until next year! I still have 2 more years on my contract…………”
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
4:03 pm
Mama says – “What I am really trying to understand is where this anti business, CEO mentality comes from. What drives it ?”
Not really anti business or anti CEO. It’s more that people would like to see the rank and file progress financially at the the same rate as the CEOs seem to do. At the same time, the rank and file feel that it would be appropriate that if the CEO is fired and gets to walk away with loads of cash, they should be able to do the same. If not, then the CEO should be treated the same as the rank and file upon termination, and leave with nothing but the pictures on their desk.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
4:03 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
Did you know that for just the paltry sum of $3999.95, you can own this 36×48″ Limited Edition Canvas?
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
4:04 pm
Scout @ 3:58
My 3:52 says nothing about hating you or anyone. Majority of my family, friends and acquaintances are Christian and I get along with them very well, thank you
No need to hand me your “Christian martyr” card. One I don’t hate you as you seem to want me to and two it isn’t has flattering as you think it is.
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
4:04 pm
“And spending bills originate in the WHERE, again?
Your deflector shields are failing, Dawg.”
Oh…wait…I answered my own question. It’s the D and the R.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
4:04 pm
Oops, messed up the linkee
http://patriotdepot.com/breitbart-fight-print-36×48-limited-edition-canvas/
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
4:05 pm
make that previous 4 yrs at 4:04, my bad
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
4:06 pm
Adam:
You libs. need to quit being so “negative” !
Headline (Time Magazine): “DEMS NOW BELIEVE OBAMA COULD LOSE”
HALPERIN: DEMS NOW BELIEVE OBAMA COULD LOSE
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
4:07 pm
They BOTH suck:
That’s why I said, “If the shoe fits”.
You do know what that means ……………
Adam
June 7th, 2012
4:07 pm
Scout: You have not, in any small way, refuted my point about being Christian. Being Christian doesn’t just mean “I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.” It also means being a generally good person and not projecting negativity and hate all the time. Sure, people falter, and there’s forgiveness for that, but using that as an excuse to continue on without changing your behavior is WRONG. Sadly, your view of what Jesus is is very vague, and you’re fairly representative of most American Christians. Real Christians – the ones who do good and act in a positive manner – don’t like people like you bringing a bad name on their faith.
Liberaci
June 7th, 2012
4:09 pm
Fast and furious is a movie. They love that movie, that is all.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
4:10 pm
Scout
It is ok…….. The sun will shine tomorrow. As far as the shoe fitting if the truth is that you want me to hate you, then say it………. Don’t project your feelings on to me as to how you want me to think. You are a smarter man than that
Otherwise………. A tough guy like you shouldn’t be sniffling so much
Liberaci
June 7th, 2012
4:11 pm
Rich people damage the mental health of poor people.
This is why we need socialized medicine.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
4:12 pm
Dawg — “I was being sarcastic. But again, what’s your point w/ the last 1 1/2 year w a R House vs. the previous 2 yrs under Democrats? Oh…wait…I answered my own question. It’s the D and the R.”
Doom was saying that we shouldn’t be giving attributing financial success or blame to the President, but to Congress (this is one of the latest GOP talking points). And yet he failed to recognize that the skyrocketing deficit under Obama happened with a Republican House in power.
Hey, if he wants to give Newt Gingrich props for Clinton’s economic expansion, cool. Let’s just make sure he gives them their due of derision for Obama’s deficit spending, too.
Liberaci
June 7th, 2012
4:13 pm
Without poor people you would have no iPhone.
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
4:14 pm
“And yet he failed to recognize that the skyrocketing deficit under Obama happened with a Republican House in power.”
I get that. Why do you forget the previous 4 yrs under a D-controller congress though?
Liberaci
June 7th, 2012
4:14 pm
Regulations make everyone safe. That is why we have no deaths.
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
4:14 pm
Thanks Adam,
At least you answered the question,
For you Bro and and Joe you may want to read your on post.
You both support OWS, which is tired of big business, you both support eliminating the tax cut for the rich, even though you fail to mention that the rich pay most of the taxes which are collected and you both spout about the little man. Since you have defined you little man theory I find it hard to understand why either of you feel the need to preach to me about my ability to listen when you can’t answer a simple question. Maybe I will help you by framing it another way.
Why do libs want to pay for there social aid programs with other peoples money ?
Does that help you understand ?
Your answers do help a little though, the fact is libs have no problem with rich people who support their position.
Sorros and Buffet are and we’re attacked because they are simply more examples of rich democrats telling us what we should do to help the poor.
Sorros has his own plans for government kinda like the French.
Buffet simply wants to lecture about a tax system that he himself has taken advantage of for 40 years.
If he wanted to compare apples to apples I could listen to him but when he argues under false pretenses he losses his own thought.
Buffet has a different tax rate than his secretary because they are in different lines of work.
I seriously doubt that his secretary can allow Bank of America to borrow 10 billion in exchange for stock.
He knows that, so he should not try to argue a comparative tax issue between the two.
By the way for all you libs who support the various bailouts you may wish to refer to your current rich hero. Buffet, via his private company made a deal with BoA which stabilized them and will make him richer.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
4:15 pm
TBS — “No need to hand me your “Christian martyr” card. One I don’t hate you as you seem to want me to and two it isn’t has flattering as you think it is.”
http://media.photobucket.com/image/christian%20pie%20chart/nevdeath/21j7neh.gif?o=3
gm
June 7th, 2012
4:15 pm
Obama should have done nothing the way Bush left this country, he should have not helped the banks, auto, housing, and let the right form a long soup line, he should not have killed bin laidin and other terrorist and continue let them attack us the way Bush poor security protected us.
By helping other Americans he opened his self up to be compasionate God knows we can not have a President who actually cares about middle class Americans, we want our Presidents to lie to us, and risk and kill more of our troops, no matter how many times the right wing nuts try to have memory laps history will show this great President pulled this country out of the toiliet will all the racist and bigots of the right he still held his head high with class, thank you sir.
Liberaci
June 7th, 2012
4:16 pm
Public Employee Unions make taxpayers richer by spending lots of money on healthcare.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
4:17 pm
JHM
Great link. I couldn’t have presented a link or said it any better.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
June 7th, 2012
4:17 pm
USMC: Only in the dishonest/corrupt world of Affirmative Action. You can’t make this stuff up
You are about the most ignorant person I’ve ever seen. Well, besides Dubya. O.k. — you’re the SECOND most ignorant person I’ve ever seen. Oh Wait Besides Limp Balls. OK — you are the THIRD most ignorant person I’ve ever seen. Besides Hannity.
OK You are the FOURTH most ignorant person (behind all the other ignorant talking heads of your con party), that I’ve EVAH seen
Amen.
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Scout – Faith without works is DEAD. All the faith in the world, without the WORK behind it, (like loving your neighbors as yourself, NOT baring false witness — that’s a hard one for you I know, and not judging — another hard one for ya); is dead. It means NOTHING in the eyes of the lord.
ePlurbusUnum
June 7th, 2012
4:18 pm
Mr. Bookman, you need a history lesson.
Question: How large was the stimulus that Reagan passed in 1981?
Answer: Zero. Even though the economy was MUCH WORSE than 2008.
Reagan inherited unemployment rates at 10%, inflation at 15% with manufacturing losing MILLIONS of jobs. Then the economy immediately went into a 2nd recession for the first 18 months of Reagan’s term. So, first myth to put to rest – Obama did not inherit “the worst economy since the Depression”. By the time Obama took office, the TARP Act passed by BUSH had already stabilized the financial markets. (by the way, that money is all being paid back – ZERO debt, thank you Bush). Plus, the recession had ended BEFORE Obama took office.
4 years after Reagan took office, having dealt with a recession for 18 months, the unemployment rate had dropped a full 3 percentage points (down to 7%) and a net of millions of new jobs had been created in our economy. GDP was growing at a 7.2% annual rate. It truly was “Morning in America”.
3+ years after Obama took office, there are over 1 million less jobs in America (per the Bureau of Labor Statistics, BLS). Add to that the fact that we have also added a net of over 6 million new people into the work force. GDP is growing at less than 2% annually. Obama’s recovery is the WORST recovery from a recession in modern times. And he had a better economic situation handed to him than Reagan. I know the liberals, like you, would like to write a narrative that says Obama’s policies have “save us from Depression”. Sorry, but his policies have under-performed compared to every other President. This administration does not know how to revitalize the economy – the proof is in the pudding. Time for a new President – one that has actually been an executive before he ran for the office.
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
4:22 pm
Adam,
Greed is bad but to hold people to another level of judgement because they are rich is no better than holding people to a lower standard because they are poor.
What’s theirs is theirs.
You cannot legislate success. Taking from one to make the other better is stealing regardless of who the victim is.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
June 7th, 2012
4:22 pm
Peadawg : I get that. Why do you forget the previous 4 yrs under a D-controller congress though?
Why do you keep forgetting the 4 years when the republicans controlled the House, Seante AND the Presidency and the budget BALLOONED under them?
Do you think cons might have Alzheimers? It’s amazing how they forget whole CHUNKS of history………
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
4:22 pm
Adam & Debbie Do Right:
Thanks for the comments ………….. and I am sure you realize that you know nothing of my life outside of this blog, my years Christian service, compassion, giving of self, time, money, etc., etc.
The Lord knows and that’s all that counts.
Again ………….. thanks for the exchange.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 7th, 2012
4:23 pm
They BOTH suck:
You hurt my feelings ………………..
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USMC/RECON ………… take the point if you’re out there and watch out for these tricky little ambushers. I’m going to an early dinner.
Everyone be nice !!!
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
4:23 pm
“Why do you keep forgetting the 4 years when the republicans controlled the House, Seante AND the Presidency and the budget BALLOONED under them?”
I don’t and I have acknowledged that. But that was how many years ago?
State in current times, Debbie.
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
4:25 pm
You both support OWS, which is tired of big business, you both support eliminating the tax cut for the rich, even though you fail to mention that the rich pay most of the taxes which are collected and you both spout about the little man. Since you have defined you little man theory I find it hard to understand why either of you feel the need to preach to me about my ability to listen when you can’t answer a simple question. Maybe I will help you by framing it another way
#1 Where have I said I support OWS? The most I’ve said in relation to supporting OWS, or even the Tea Party, is that I support them expressing their 1st Amendment rights. If you think I’ve said I support OWS, you have more than just a listening problem, and that’s something I can’t help you with.
#2 As to the tax rates, I said and still think they should have all been reset in 2010. You have no idea of what tax bracket I’m in or what I pay in taxes, so to try to say as such proves, once again, your problem goes far beyond listening.
If you want to know my view or opinion on something, ask me. I have no problem in stating my views, and I can back them up as to why I have them as opposed to those who rely on others to think for them. However, if you choose to project what you THINK are my views on me, then you need not attemt to reframe or do anything else. I don’t do the whole strawman thingie. We debate MY statements/views and not projected ones, or we don’t debate at all. I’m too grown to do the childish stuff.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
4:25 pm
Ruh, roh.
When Mitt Romney was a college freshman, he told fellow residents of his Stanford University dormitory that he sometimes disguised himself as a police officer – a crime in many states, including Michigan and California, where he then lived. And he had the uniform on display as proof.
So recalls Robin Madden, who had also just arrived as a freshman, the startling incident began when Romney called him and two or three other residents into his room, saying, “Come up, I want to show you something.” When they entered Romney’s room, “and laid out on his bed was a Michigan State Trooper’s uniform.”
[...]
While he may have believed that his cop antics were harmless, Romney may well have been breaking the law merely by donning a police uniform, committing a crime if he pretended to be a cop and a felony if he did so more than once. In both California and Michigan, any person convicted of fraudulently impersonating a police officer may be sentenced to up to one year in prison.
gm
June 7th, 2012
4:26 pm
Could some one tell me how many wars did Bush or the right God Regan inherited when they took office?
OedipusTax
June 7th, 2012
4:27 pm
Obama promised that when his stimulus package would pass, that unemployment would never exceed 8%. It has been above 8% for almost his entire Presidency, but liberals cannot accept the fact that government spending does NOT lead to more employment.
FDR’s New Deal never had unemployment under 10% until WW2.
As if the AJC was anything but a campaign supporter for Obama. AJC non partisan? Now that’s funny.
This President has NOTHING to run on but failure, broken promises, and blame.
Without the ability to blame Bush, this President is mute and brain dead.
Obama cannot run on his record. He needs fools like Jay Bookman to try to fool enough idiots to vote for this failure again. Thankfully, the American people will be too smart to fall for this socialist, that despises everything that had made this country great.
TaxPayer
June 7th, 2012
4:27 pm
Will Republicans reject any budget proposal that does not reduce the deficit and debt?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
4:29 pm
Mama — “I find it hard to understand why either of you feel the need to preach to me about my ability to listen when you can’t answer a simple question. Maybe I will help you by framing it another way.”
Yes, that would help a great deal. You don’t seem to write very well — and I’m not trying to condescend to you for that — which makes it difficult to understand what you’re asking.
That said, you do jump to a lot of conclusions about what we’re saying and what we think. That does no one any good.
“Why do libs want to pay for there social aid programs with other peoples money ?”
It’s not “other people’s money.” It’s *pooled* money from tax receipts. I have no more idea where my taxes go than you do — it all goes in one pot and is disbursed from there.
But if you’re asking why we want taxes raised on the wealthy, it’s quite simple. The wealthy benefit more from the systems in the US and are more able to contribute. Given that, IMO the wealthy should WANT to contribute more towards perpetuating the system that allowed them to become wealthy. It wasn’t that long ago that the top marginal rate was 91%, and that didn’t prevent us from becoming the most powerful nation in the world — both economically AND militarily. Given that, it’s quite clear that higher taxes don’t necessarily mean a crushing economic burden, even to the wealthy.
“Your answers do help a little though, the fact is libs have no problem with rich people who support their position.”
I have no problem with rich people who don’t take advantage of the middle and lower classes and who don’t exploit their workers. I think that Jim Sinegal, the CEO of Costco, deserves all his success. His company treats their employees well, pays them well and doesn’t put on airs.
http://www.entrepreneur.com/blog/220772
“Sorros and Buffet are and we’re attacked because they are simply more examples of rich democrats telling us what we should do to help the poor.”
How about Sinegal, who *demonstrates* fair dealings with his employees and customers? And on the topic of Buffett, did you know he still lives in the same house he bought over 50 years ago?
“Sorros has his own plans for government kinda like the French.”
Can you be more specific, please?
“Buffet simply wants to lecture about a tax system that he himself has taken advantage of for 40 years.”
That doesn’t invalidate his criticism of it as unfair — and in fact it gives greater credence to it, since he would know better than most Americans just *how* unfair it is.
“If he wanted to compare apples to apples I could listen to him but when he argues under false pretenses he losses his own thought.”
I think you unfairly judge Buffett.
“Buffet has a different tax rate than his secretary because they are in different lines of work.”
Why should that make any difference?
“I seriously doubt that his secretary can allow Bank of America to borrow 10 billion in exchange for stock.”
Again, why should this make any difference?
“He knows that, so he should not try to argue a comparative tax issue between the two.”
I’m still unclear on why you think that should make any difference.
“By the way for all you libs who support the various bailouts you may wish to refer to your current rich hero. Buffet, via his private company made a deal with BoA which stabilized them and will make him richer.”
You can aim your criticism at President Bush for that. The bailouts were largely done before Obama took office.
Just out of curiosity, if a CEO manages to *lose* his company huge amounts of money, do you think he should be rewarded for that? If his departure causes the company’s stock price/market cap to rise, then should be be rewarded for that?
http://rwrld.blogspot.com/2007/01/nardelli-at-home-depot-hd-one-third-of.html
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
4:29 pm
Obama promised that when his stimulus package would pass, that unemployment would never exceed 8%.
The lie that Just. Will. Not. Die.
Rockerbabe
June 7th, 2012
4:30 pm
President Obama DID NOT CAUSE the financial crisis. That was the providence of the private sector and its never ending greedy quest for profits at all cost, dame the consequences.
The stimulas did work, maybe not as well as intented, but it worked for government at all levels, until just recently. It is the PRIVATE SECTOR that is not responding to the demands being made by the citizenry for jobs and additional goods and services. Not even Congress can mandate that the private sector hire when it doesn’t want to. But the again, the private sector is all about profits at all costs and the rest of us can just go hungry! Stop griping.. .at least both wars are coming to an orderly end, Osama Bin Lauden is dead and gone, the sky hasn’t fallen yet, we have expanded healthcare coverage for those who haven’t had it before, the catholic church has overtaken government like the Islamist and most of us get what we need when we need it and my garbage is picked up on time, the mail is delivered as promised by the post office, I have electricity, gas, police and fire protection. My neighborhood is quiet and my neighbors are very nice.
For that, I will vote for Obama again. No desperate white boy wannabe for me; I’m deathly allergic to republicans and their brand of misogyny.
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
4:31 pm
“Obama promised that when his stimulus package would pass, that unemployment would never exceed 8%.”
Lie.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
4:31 pm
K’Chak — “Oops, messed up the linkee”
Maybe he shoulda fought alcoholism harder. And taken his freakin’ prescriptions.
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
4:33 pm
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
3:50 pm
What I am really trying to understand is where this anti business, CEO mentality comes from. What drives it ?
Talking points. At times, the mere mention of the words CEO and tax revenues in the same sentence is enough to be labeled as anti-business or anti-CEO. Instead of applying active listening techniques when we’re talking to each other, our communication skills in this country has devolved into talking AT each other and projecting what we want to hear as opposed to what the person is actually saying. All you have to do is sit back and read the exchanges here to see USDA Grade A proof of that.
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
4:14 pm
For you Bro and and Joe you may want to read your on post.
You both support OWS, which is tired of big business, you both support eliminating the tax cut for the rich, even though you fail to mention that the rich pay most of the taxes which are collected and you both spout about the little man. Since you have defined you little man theory I find it hard to understand why either of you feel the need to preach to me about my ability to listen when you can’t answer a simple question. Maybe I will help you by framing it another way.
Ok, now I’m gonna preach. My original post was nothing about preaching. I was stating the fact that active listening while communicating is no longer practiced nearly as much as it should be. If you felt that I was preaching at you, then maybe you should take a look in the mirror to see if you are “listening to” or “listening at” people when you’re carrying on a conversation.
From my answer, I have no friggin’ clue as to how you get to OWS or taxes when I haven’t mentioned either one of those things in I can’t remember how long. Projection instead of listening appears to be something you do so well that you can’t even realize how good at it you really are. Hell, I almost feel insulted at the stuff you claimed I do, but I know me better than you do, so I actually feel pity that you don’t know how to actually listen so that you DO know someone’s true opinions and/or ideals.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
4:33 pm
Peadawg — “I get that. Why do you forget the previous 4 yrs under a D-controller congress though?”
I didn’t. I’ve been on Bush’s tail for HIS deficit spending almost from the moment I got here.
But YOU forgot the years of an R-controller Congress that Bush had.
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
4:36 pm
Bro I did ask you, you gave me a lecture in response.
And I do know your mindset, you were the one on the union blog arguing that the public unions should have collective bargaining rights, tells me a lot there.
You were also the one who supported the union taking over the Wisconsin state house, a move that is associated to be the very first step in the OWS movement.
You are also the one who tried to tell me that you live in Henry County and the budget there is fine. Even though they have frozen pay for the last 2 years and are talking about furloughs for this year.
I know you, maybe not personally but I know you, I have work with people with your mindset for 25 years. As you said the other day you are a public servant and you want the right to demand the taxpayer gives you more money, so you can live comfortably. I guess while they pay more.
Oh I know you, and your tax bracket has nothing to do with it
Your mindset shows your attitude toward my money. Meaning that you think it’s there for you when u want it.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
June 7th, 2012
4:37 pm
Why do libs want to pay for there social aid programs with other peoples money ?
Oh please! The generalizations are just too much! Why not take a walk on the reality side for a minute. Do you remember this?:
The Democratic Controlled House has voted to reinstate budget rules designed to curb the budget deficit.
The vote was 280-to-154 to reinstate the so-called “pay as you go” rule. It requires that any increase in entitlement spending or tax cut be somehow offset so as to not to increase the deficit.
Another rule change would curb past abuses in which GOP leaders held votes open for hours and excluded minority party lawmakers from House-Senate negotiations on the language of final bills sent to the White House for enactment.
The PAYGO and earmark proposals come a day after Democrats seized control of Congress for the first time in 12 years, with a jubilant Nancy Pelosi becoming the first woman ever to rise to speaker of the House.
“This is an historic moment — for the Congress, and for the women of this country,” Pelosi said Thursday when she took the House gavel. “It is a moment for which we have waited more than 200 years.”
Peadawg
June 7th, 2012
4:37 pm
“But YOU forgot the years of an R-controller Congress that Bush had.”
Really?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
4:37 pm
ePluribusUnum — “Question: How large was the stimulus that Reagan passed in 1981?
Answer: Zero”
BZZZZZT!
“As a short-run strategy to reduce inflation and lower nominal interest rates, the U.S. borrowed both domestically and abroad to cover the Federal budget deficits, raising the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion.[15] This led to the U.S. moving from the world’s largest international creditor to the world’s largest debtor nation.[16] Reagan described the new debt as the “greatest disappointment” of his presidency.[17]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics#Policies
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
4:38 pm
Your mindset shows your attitude toward my money.
There’s you sign.
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Sheets.
(finally)
Oscar
June 7th, 2012
4:39 pm
ribusUnum — “Question: How large was the stimulus that Reagan passed in 1981?
Answer: Zero”
______
Wrong – a tax cut is a stimulus.
gm
June 7th, 2012
4:40 pm
The fox misinformed idiots news cycle will stop at nothing, Sean the 3 times college drop out had the nerve to call the President of the United States who went to Harvard incompetent, this shows what a bunch low life viewers fox has.
Bush increased the debt every year he was in office without a bad economy but the nut jobs sat their in silents while he had us in 2 wars that were not paid for, lied to American people while over 4500 of our American troops died in Iraq but America should forget this?
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
4:40 pm
Mama says
Bro said they had no rights in terms of bargaining for raises and benefits, I missed where he said they should be able to do as you say.
100.00 bucks to your fav charity if you can find that post to back up your assertion.
Not anyone else, just Mommy
We can exchange emails through Jay if you win.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
4:42 pm
Peadawg — “Really?”
You certainly appear to have done so.
You keep asking me about Democratic Congresses and associated deficit spending, yet you ignore the fact that I’ve been quite clearly OPPOSED to deficit spending since I got here.
For someone who complains as often as you do about being misclassified as an R, you could certainly stand to pay closer attention to the positions of others yourself,
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
June 7th, 2012
4:45 pm
PDawg – How this for “current events” Until the Dems took back the house in 2010; the house was Republican controlled for 12 years. So let’s do the math on that why don’t we?
That means in 1998 – During the LAST part of Clinton’s presidency, the Repubs took over and held the house until 2010. Theat means they had the house during the Wall street collapse of 2008; Through the deletion of Pay As YOu Go, through the onset of two wars, through stock market collapse of 1999; through the housing burst of 2009 AND through the onset of the most jobs ever lost at one time, (2008).
Is that about right?
Jay
June 7th, 2012
4:46 pm
Wrong – a tax cut is a stimulus.
So is a major boost of defense spending. And since a lot of the defense industry is unionized, that’s a stimulus for union members too!
Sheets.
Butch Cassidy
June 7th, 2012
4:48 pm
Romney Sheets Upstairs!
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
4:48 pm
mama says
The article is from June 4th…….
After perusing through the posts, I wont be paying anything to your fav charity
Be an adult and issue Bro an apology. You were wrong in terms of what he said so admit it
have great day now
ePlurbusUnum
June 7th, 2012
4:52 pm
I agree that a tax rate cut is a stimulus. It’s not borrowing money to then give money away to pay for stuff no one was willing to pay for with their own money (neither states nor private interests). The tax cuts keep the money in the hands of people who make better decisions than the government anyway. At any rate, Reagan’s tax cuts helped the economy grow and boom times ensued. Obama simply had the government print more money, but the economy isn’t growing, just our debt. The $6 Trillion in new debt in the past 3+ years has generated these results:
1) Over 1 million less jobs than there were in Feb. 2009.
2) GDP growth of less than 2% annually.
3) 7 million more people on the unemployment rolls today than there were in Feb. 2009.
4) Total portion of the national debt carried by each infant born today now at about $75,000.
So I’m on board with the Reagan passing a stimulus. He just didn’t print money to stimulate, he allowed the market-based economy to lead the way.
Jay
June 7th, 2012
4:55 pm
“It’s not borrowing money to then give money away to pay for stuff no one was willing to pay for with their own money (neither states nor private interests).
What would you call vastly increasing the deficit to fund an explosion of new defense spending? “Borrowing money to pay for stuff no one was willing to pay for with their own money”?
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
4:55 pm
Both first of all I have to be clear as to what you are saying that I was wrong about.
Secondly
Why are you defending Bro?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
4:58 pm
Mama — “Both first of all I have to be clear as to what you are saying that I was wrong about.”
Do you see the parts of your posts that we’re quoting? Those are the things you’re wrong about.
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
4:58 pm
By the way Both,
If he is for collective bargaining with respect to salary and benefits he is saying he wants the right to demand my money as a taxpayer correct ?
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
5:00 pm
Joe,
Can you show me a quote that I posted please
Patrick Thompson
June 7th, 2012
5:03 pm
Stalin is alive and well in the GOP, unfortunately, and their ‘leadership’ is taking our country down…while saying the opposite…one of Stalin’s favorite methods…
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
5:03 pm
Mama says reread YOUR post about what you claim Bro asserted. You can start saying what he meant to say or other BS, but you will not find what you asserted
Plain and simple
As nothing to do with defending Bro, however it does have to do with YOUR LIES………..
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
5:04 pm
Mama
Now go find the quote. Shouldn’t take long, right?
You find it and I put up the money for your fav charity.
Simple as that
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
5:08 pm
Both it must be easier to call me a liar than it is to tell me want I lied about.
Seems you are doing the very thing you accuse me of.
Show me where I lied, should be simple for you to do
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
5:08 pm
Mama
“And I do know your mindset, you were the one on the union blog arguing that the public unions should have collective bargaining rights, tells me a lot there.”
Guess you are looking for the quote or anything close that you can say what was meant by the quote. Actually you are doing neither because you LIED and you know it
And again, have a great day
ePlurbusUnum
June 7th, 2012
5:11 pm
Jay – that increased defense spending won the Cold War. Then, once we had defeated the Communist Soviet Union, we had a defense draw down. See how that works. So, we all like living in freedom and not having to go through drills at school to prepare for a Soviet nuclear missle attack. The American people apparently liked Reagan’s defense build up – they re-elected him in the largest blowout you’ve ever experienced in your life time. But, even with the increased defense spending, the economy grew at 7.2% annually by 1984. That’s how successful Presidents do it. Amatuers, like Obama, are simply incapable of that type of performance because their policies are fundamentally wrong.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
5:12 pm
“Joe, Can you show me a quote that I posted please”
Sure. Here’s a start for you, Mama:
“What I am really trying to understand is where this anti business, CEO mentality comes from. What drives it ? I mean it seems directed at people simply because they have money.”
You’re jumping to conclusions regarding our attitudes about businesses and CEOs and wealth.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
5:12 pm
That said, I’m out for the evening. All be well and drive safely.
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
5:12 pm
Both have you lost your mind . You are quoting me stating my opinion on Bros mindset.
There still is no lie.
He did say he wanted collective bargaining for public servants over salaries and benefits didn’t he.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
5:13 pm
“As you said the other day you are a public servant and you want the right to demand the taxpayer gives you more money, so you can live comfortably. I guess while they pay more.”
Back up of this assertion?
Thanks
Thulsa Doom
June 7th, 2012
5:13 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
June 7th, 2012
3:38 pm
Doom — “I stand corrected. You were right. He said running up deficits was “unpatriotic”. And now we stand at near 16 trillion in debt.”
And with an R Congress, even. (laughing)
Obama’s first 2 years were with an R Congress? Who knew? The Rs control the Senate today? Who knew?
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
5:15 pm
mama
You back up YOUR assetions, don’t ask me to back them up
I have already looked at his posts from the other day. You are lying or at best misinterpreting what he said to meet your narrative.
So look up the article and post where he said what you asserted.
Really it is that simple
Jay
June 7th, 2012
5:18 pm
Pluribus, if you want to change the topic, that’s fine. But it doesn’t alter the fact that significantly increased defense spending funded through higher deficits IS an economic stimulus. That’s the point we were discussing, not its impact on the Cold War.
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
5:18 pm
mama
Let me help you out. Don’t write anymore checks that your ______ can’t cash.
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/06/04/in-wisconsin-a-confident-governor-dreams-big/
Until next time
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
5:24 pm
ePlurbusUnum
Actually you had more than just increased military spending. Ronnie Raygun was spending with the best of them……. Best of all for that time. Dems were right there with him
Do you think it was just the military increases or all the increases that went into helping stimulate the economy?
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
5:25 pm
No Both you are lying and misrepresenting
Post what he said since you are looking at those post.
He argued for the right of negotiated salary and benefits for public employees.
The fact is, if you knew where the raises came from when public employees get them, is that he wants the rights for government employees to be able to dictate what taxpayers pay in salary. Logic says if he wants the right of collective bargaining he wants the right to demand higher pay, pay that comes from the taxpayer.
Your skewed logic escapes me, think it through. A public servant raise comes from the taxpayers money,
Duh
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
5:27 pm
And I do know your mindset, you were the one on the union blog arguing that the public unions should have collective bargaining rights, tells me a lot there.
Hell, I think ALL WORKERS should have collective bargaining rights. What does that tell you?
You were also the one who supported the union taking over the Wisconsin state house, a move that is associated to be the very first step in the OWS movement.
Lie and projection on your part. Pull any post to show that I said as such. I dare you.
You are also the one who tried to tell me that you live in Henry County and the budget there is fine.
While you’re pulling the previous post, pull that one too. I don’t ever recall saying Henry County’s budget was fine. I’ve said that Henry County is fine, and that’s because they have people not afraid to make a decision simply because they’re afraid that they won’t get elected. Nevemind the fact that there’s a snowball’s chance in hell of anything remotely liberal getting elected into office here, yet I still live and have done so proudly for close to 10 years. What does that say about me?
As you said the other day you are a public servant and you want the right to demand the taxpayer gives you more money, so you can live comfortably.
WHile you are pulling the first two, why not add that post to it as well. I told you to move to Henry County and I have no problem paying taxes to keep public sector workers on their jobs. That’s a huge difference between saying I want others to pay for me.
Damn, as I said earlier, if you can’t or won’t use MY words, don’t use projections on me.
Your mindset shows your attitude toward my money. Meaning that you think it’s there for you when u want it.
Here’s my mindset towards your money. F**K YOU AND YOUR MONEY. I have my own job. I buy my own stuff. I pay my own bills. If you don’t like what I do, then get off your ass and protect the borders your damn self.
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
5:27 pm
POST MY LIE
They BOTH suck
June 7th, 2012
5:32 pm
mama
I posted the link to the article as well as what YOU said Bro said the other day
You have yet to put up anything except a weak tap dance
Done with this.
Bye bye
ePlurbusUnum
June 7th, 2012
5:32 pm
Jay – it was not designed as a “stimulus” to increase defense spending. It was simply an essential service for our country, the same way roads are and ports, etc. But, your original topic was that Obama’s stimulus had “worked”. My point is simply that to claim that the current policies of printing money and calling that stimulus doesn’t work – especially when compared to proven examples where the economy was not just stabilized, but expanded, by market-based policies practiced by President’s like Reagan and Bush.
Here’s a comparison:
Bush came into office on the heels of the Tech Bubble recession. Then 9-11 happened. The economy suffered a double hit. And Bush pushed for tax cuts at the beginning of his administration. When Bush took office in Jan. 2001, there were 138 million people working. When he left office in Jan. 2009, there were 144 million people working – an increase of 6 million jobs despite a horrible starting point. And despite the fact that the economy shed over 1 million jobs between the time Obama was elected in Nov. 2008 and Bush left office in Jan. 2009.
The current President starts with 144 million people working in Jan. 2009. In May 2012, there are only 142 million people working – a loss of 2 million jobs. And you would try to argue that his policies are working? Really? Especially if you compare his results to the results that Reagan and Bush accomplished when facing their own serious economic challenges? Come on.
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
5:35 pm
Brosephus™
June 4th, 2012
7:34 pm
have worked public sector for 25 years, you have done both, so I assume you left public and went private.
You assume wrong.
Tell you what since you are so generous tell you family to give me more money, that way my own families taxes will not be raised so I can have a better retirement.
Move to Henry County. Unlike you and some others, I have no problem with paying taxes. I know that things have to be paid for, and I’d much rather pay for them up front as opposed to paying exponentially more down the road. It costs much more to replace poorly maintained infrastructure. It costs much more for insurance to live in an area with bad police/fire coverage.
Working in the public sector now, I also know the difference between stories that talk about “average pay” versus real world. What you fail to see is that, regardless to whether you’re public or private sector, it’s middle class trying to destroy middle class. When we’re all done, there will only be the wealthy and the poor. Unless you run for office, you’re not gonna join the wealthy by working in the public sector.
Brosephus™
June 4th, 2012
8:12 pm
Matter of fact any government employee who is under a union negotiated contract can strike and leave thier post, if they are in a union state.
Feds can’t strike. Fed unions can’t negotiate pay or benefits either. Fed unions are about as dangerous as a toothless nurse shark. However, if one believes the rhetoric, they are worse than the spawn of the spawn of Satan.
And to back up that post…
Moderate Line
June 4th, 2012
8:29 pm
Brosephus™
June 4th, 2012
8:12 pm
Matter of fact any government employee who is under a union negotiated contract can strike and leave thier post, if they are in a union state.
Feds can’t strike. Fed unions can’t negotiate pay or benefits either. Fed unions are about as dangerous as a toothless nurse shark. However, if one believes the rhetoric, they are worse than the spawn of the spawn of Satan.
++++++
Also, most can’t negotiate their wages either. In fact here is what Scot Walker stated “Most federal employees do not have collective bargaining for benefits, nor for pay.” which was rated as true by politifact.com
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/mar/02/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-most-federal-emplo/
Brosephus™
June 4th, 2012
8:48 pm
Bottom line public sector unions are in a unfair position over the taxpayer.
Interesting that you lump all public sector unions in that group when it’s been said over and over ad nauseum that Fed unions can’t negotiate pay and benefits. I guess the rhetoric just won’t die. Maybe Jason, Freddy, Michael, Leatherface, Pinhead and others were all public sector union members too. Couldn’t seem to kill any of them either.
Care to retract now?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 7th, 2012
5:41 pm
Mama Says just got pwned.
Just sayin’.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
June 7th, 2012
5:48 pm
Jay, sport, you need to get off the mind-altering substances. The stimulus has damn near done us in. Everybody knows that. If the Republicans, taking power in 2013, do absolutely nothing, it would be better than what President Kardashian (I love that moniker) has done.
There are fewer and fewer folks in your alternate reality, Jay. I hope you are not the last one in there, wherever it is.
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
5:49 pm
Brocephus,
Are are crazy, someone should check you and your ability to carry a gun. Period
You say things in the context of a monetary discussion as to where money comes from and then you say I can’t derive ,y opinion on your thoughts. I never directly quote anyone. As Both has proven by his inability to post any of my quoting you.
By the way you protecting our border isn’t s*it to my chasing murderers, armed robbers, child molesters and rapist? Some of whom i am dealing with are the very people that you claim to protect us from.
Tell you what next time the van of illegals approches the border and you and the other 10 agents you are working with, all of you armed to the teeth, can you stop the murderes instead of letting me do it ?
Not to mention the fact that you are a federal agent for homeland security, I know what your salary is, and if the rest of those who read this blog knew, you wouldn’t open your mouth about public employees and your need to collectively bargin.
Believe me I can cuss you just as good as u can give it and I know what your job is. I also know why you left the private industry as you said you did, your job, in the private industry didn’t pay you what your public sector job does, did it.
When you start your job at 17,000 a year then you can run your mouth, but we both know that isn’t what YOU started at though don’t we ?
And guess what i couldn’t care less how wrong you are.
Just remember to read those folks their rights next time you stop them, you guys forget that from time to time, you know when your standing over them with your machine gun.
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
5:55 pm
Bro,
I will say this.
I engaged you in a monetary budget issue concerning public employees. If you think you can recite your thoughts for public servant negotiated salaries that’s your thought. But to try and back away from your own position is BS.
Do you or do you not support the right of collective bargaining for us, public servants ?
Jay
June 7th, 2012
5:57 pm
I don’t know where you get your numbers, Pluribus, but they’re wrong. I get mine from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and they tell us:
Employed in Jan. 2001: 132,466,000
Employed in Jan. 2009: 133,561,000
An increase of 1.1 million job over eight years, an average of 130,000 a year, with some 800,000 jobs lost in January 2009 alone. That’s the reality. That’s what you’re trying to sell as strong economic leadership. The guy in there now is just trying to clean up the mess.
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
6:08 pm
Everybody knows that.
What an idiotic thing to say. At least for anyone over the age of eight.
Brosephus™ - "Gimme yo money now, you taxpayers!!!!"
June 7th, 2012
6:10 pm
Mama Says
My current salary now isn’t much more than it was when I was an Operations Manager for Circuit City or when I was a Store Manager for a dollar chain that’s gone out of business. I’ve been working for over 20 years and worked my way from $3.80 an hour to what I make now.
And, yes my current salary is public knowledge and who cares? Any citizen, under the age of 37, can apply and do the same thing I do. I’ve done your murderers, rapists, kiddie porn peddlers, drug smugglers, and guess what, I’ve even had to deal with people on the terrorist watch list. I don’t disrespect what anybody does, but I won’t let somebody disrespect me either.
I’m perfectly sane, but thanks for your concern about my mental health. I’ll pass any test you want to give me whether it’s a polygraph, psych, firearms qual, or any test you can think of.
Very little bothers me, but what does is when people try to “think” for me. I am very capable of doing that for me, and if you want to know what I think, all you have to do is ask.
can you stop the murderes instead of letting me do it ?
IF you catch the murderers before they try to flee the country, I wouldn’t have to. That street runs both ways sister.
know what your salary is, and if the rest of those who read this blog knew, you wouldn’t open your mouth about public employees and your need to collectively bargin.
See, there’s that reading comprehension thing again. What part of “Federal workers can not bargain for wages or benefits” do you not understand? Damn, even Gov. Walker knows that much.
If you really want to know why I’m with DHS now, that’s because the Army rejected me in 2002 because of my bad knee, and the Air Force recruiter never called me back or answered my calls. You’d think that when a potential recruit scores a 98 on the ASVAB and has a BS in Mathematics, they would be a possibly good person to keep in touch with.
When you start your job at 17,000 a year then you can run your mouth, but we both know that isn’t what YOU started at though don’t we ?
No, that’s not what I started out with, but why do I have to live by YOUR decisions or choices in order to be worth anything? I am not you, and obviously I made different choices than what you did. Am I not supposed to pull myself up by my own bootstraps?
ePlurbusUnum
June 7th, 2012
6:10 pm
I get my data from BLS also. Here are the numbers, from their historical tables, of employment:
Dec. 2000 employment = 136.9 million jobs
Dec. 2008 employment = 145.4 million jobs (+ 8.5 million in 8 years under Bush)
May 2012 employment = 142.3 million jobs (-2.1 million in 3+ years under Obama)
Here’s the link so you can view the data yourself:
http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpseea01.htm (historical data by year)
Fact is that every President has to deal with some sort of “mess” their prior President left for them. Obama has failed where other Presidents since Jimmy Carter have all succeeded.
Brosephus™ - "Gimme yo money now, you taxpayers!!!!"
June 7th, 2012
6:16 pm
Do you or do you not support the right of collective bargaining for us, public servants ?
Once again, I, meaning ME, have no problem with public sector employees having collective bargaining rights IF they are set up as the Fed system currently operates. That means that employees can bargain over workplace things such as scheduling, vacation time, work assignments, shifts, and things like that. What I don’t think needs to be in the bargaining is wages, benefits, or anything that’s directly tied to compensation.
DOes that help you out any better now?
Jay
June 7th, 2012
6:19 pm
Pluribus, total nonfarm employment, BLS:
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ce
It gives it month by month, the month Bush took office and the month he left office.
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
6:23 pm
Bro,
I should not have disrespected your job, you got me pissed, I am sorry for doing that.
The union discussion we were in on the other day was about public workers in Wisconsin. It was not about Federal workers and you know that.
I never took a shot at federal workers in that blog. I am arguing about state and local workers and you knew that.
I will tell you that in no case that I have worked did I allow a murderer to flee to your hands. You know that for you to be arresting them at the border, the locals have identified them and taken warrants. Unless they stand there and wait for us they are gone when we get there and as you know we very rarely call homeland security to go to the projects with us.
Anyway I stand by my thoughts on collective bargaining for the public sector as well as for calling your job into question.
Mama Says
June 7th, 2012
6:24 pm
I meant for calling your job into question, Bro.
I don’t stand by doing it
ePlurbusUnum
June 7th, 2012
6:30 pm
Jay – people work on farms too. The non-farm statistics are about 10 million below the “all up” stats from the BLS data I’m looking at. I’m most interested in how many total Americans are working. The non-farm data is interesting in that it points to jobs that are more in line with the kind the average person will be looking for. But, first and foremost, we want Americans to have jobs. And we want those jobs to produce valuable goods and services.
Whichever stats you prefer to look at (nonfarm vs all up), this administration’s policies have underperformed vs all other Presidents in our lifetime. Their policies are not working. Without their debt-increasing stimulus spending, things would have gotten worse initially, then the economy would have rebounded. And the rebound would be lasting. Their “stimulus” didn’t prevent increases in unemployment and its effects are not lasting.
Brosephus™
June 7th, 2012
6:41 pm
Mama Says
People get heated at times, so no disrespect taken. I get heated when people “think” for me or say as much. If you’re out there hooking up the bad guys, you’re aware of what being a “Giglio Impaired” officer means. I take a big risk in posting here and other places, but that’s because I enjoy talking with people who have different perspectives. That said, I will fiercely defend my words at all costs because I won’t say anything that jeopardizes my impartiality or, by proxy, my job.
I know the talk was about state and local unions. I don’t like their set ups. When Walker first proposed to change things, I said here on this very blog that he should have used the Fed model. I still think the fed model works because it gives the employees a say in how the workplace operates, but it does not give them a say in what comes out of the taxpayer’s pockets. I also think that all workers in all states should have the right to collectively bargain, whether public or private sector. The main difference is that public sector should not be able to deal with anything monetary related where private sector workers should not have such limits.
If I made it seem like I was trying to ignore the state/local issue, that was not my intent.
JamVet
June 7th, 2012
6:52 pm
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/US_Real_Wages_1964-2004.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics
Whatever it is called, it has contributed to arguably the greatest economic disaster – the decimation of the American middle class – in the history of the republic…
JKL2
June 7th, 2012
7:38 pm
getalife- They are trying to cheat by purging voters in this election.
It’s a real shame when you take away dead people’s right to vote. What are those Republicans thinking…
Melissa Six Birds
June 7th, 2012
11:25 pm
The government has no constitutional authority or powers to save the economy, and only you Marxists would think otherwise. What you advocate is forced-collectivism, forcing people who have, to pay the way of people who don’t have, or redistribution of wealth from the producers to the moochers. “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.” – Karl Marx
facebook fan
June 8th, 2012
7:17 am
One thing I would like to say is always that before buying more computer system memory, check out the machine into which it can be installed. Should the machine can be running Windows XP, for instance, the actual memory limit is 3.25GB. Using a lot more than this would merely constitute a new waste. Make sure one’s motherboard can handle the upgrade amount, as well. Interesting blog post.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 8th, 2012
9:26 am
Doom — “Obama’s first 2 years were with an R Congress? Who knew?”
Who said they were?
“The Rs control the Senate today? Who knew?”
Who said they did? But you know as well as any of us that spending bills originate in the House.
This is more of your straw-mannery, Doom. It’s a shame indeed that honesty so often escapes you.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 8th, 2012
9:28 am
Mama. “Both have you lost your mind . You are quoting me stating my opinion on Bros mindset.”
You didn’t say anything about that being an opinion, OR about it specifically being about Brosephus.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 8th, 2012
9:30 am
Mama — “No Both you are lying and misrepresenting”
Eff you. You don’t speak for anyone but yourself.
Rabbit
June 8th, 2012
2:18 pm
If the banking abuse of the FDIC is not curtailed, we are in for another wild ride. Property valuations are sinking as a direct result of manipulation of values to allow maximized recovery from the FDIC by takeover banks. End result? More failed banks.
These naysayers will beg for stimulus then..
Stan
June 8th, 2012
5:46 pm
If Romney is elected and the GOP sweeps both houses we could be in for a rough ride. If the Republicans are actually dumb enough to do what they propose today, drastically cut taxes and spending the most likely result will be to flat-line the economy. Look at whats happening in Europe with their austerity program. In 2013 Europe and China will both be in bad shape. If the U.S. joins the mix we might be looking at moving from the great recession to the great depression 2.0.