In Wisconsin, a confident governor dreams big

Nate Silver, the political statistician and author of The New York Times’ FiveThirtyEight blog, just tweeted the following:

wis

In an equally telling sign of confidence, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is already into his victory dance, telling Fox News that President Obama didn’t show up to campaign in his state — even though he made appearances last week in Minnesota and Illinois — because Obama knew Democrats were going to lose in their recall campaign:

“My guess is the president and his folks just want to shy away from that,” Walker said.

Marc Thiessen, writing in The Washington Post, concludes that “Barack Obama is afraid of Scott Walker” and even suggests that “a victory tomorrow would make Walker the instant front-runner for the GOP vice presidential nod.”

There’s no doubt that if events play out as expected tomorrow, Walker’s victory will be a major disappointment and setback for Democrats. They’ll have their excuses and explanations — yes, it proved impossible to sustain public outrage in a recall election almost 16 months after passage of the anti-labor laws that inspired it; and yes, outside interests poured huge money into the election, with Walker outraising his Democratic opponent, Tom Barrett, by roughly seven to one. Just three men — Amway founder Dick DeVos, Koch Industries co-owner David Koch and casino magnate Sheldon Adelson — gave more money to Walker than Barrett could collect in total. And while unions ran independent campaigns on Barrett’s behalf, they too were swamped, with pro-Walker groups outspending them by almost three to one.

In the end, however, none of that matters. Nobody cares about excuses or explanations; politics is about winning, and as in other forms of battle, to the winner go the spoils. If Democrats want to win, this is the new terrain on which they must learn to fight.

“Vice President Walker” anyone?

– Jay Bookman

510 comments Add your comment

Jm

June 4th, 2012
10:53 pm

You mean up get

He’s up 25,000 jobs in the last 5 months

http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.wi.htm

Jm

June 4th, 2012
10:56 pm

PlatinumBlack

June 4th, 2012
10:59 pm

Many dreams come true and some have silver linings …
http://youtu.be/9BokEvEqiVA

B’s fave:
http://youtu.be/qkXV2LXBDqM

JamVet

June 4th, 2012
11:02 pm

BOTH, that Womack and Isley is great stuff.

I understand that Bobby W recently got a clean bill of health after having undergone cancer surgery.

He sings the duet part on TR’s spectacular The Want of a Nail.

Lincoln and LA cover Liverpool…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=148BZKiVaBg

They BOTH suck

June 4th, 2012
11:05 pm

PB

Great Zep choices.

Bruno: Besides “When the levee breaks”, “that’s the way” is my fav Zep tune as well……..

Of course it is difficult to rank greatness, however those two would be my two favs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbrjRKB586s

Everyone have a great night and an even better tomorrow

peace

Bruno

June 4th, 2012
11:06 pm

One Friday night I may just play songs from the 65 or so records that he has produced…

Super-trippy, Jam. Good call, very mellow.

getalife

June 4th, 2012
11:06 pm

“Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign has made yet another embarrassing spelling mistake, the third in a week.

The latest error could be found on the Republican candidate’s Facebook page. A clickable button leading to the campaign’s store, on the top right of his page, was misspelled “2012 OFFICAL GEAR.” Around 9 p.m. EDT on Monday evening, that misspelling was removed.”

This is the kind of crap cons fixate on and repeat over and over.

So, play this game.

willard can’t spell.

getalife

June 4th, 2012
11:07 pm

He lost 18,000 jobs jm.

Bruno

June 4th, 2012
11:14 pm

Jam, that H & O number reminded me of this Steve Miller band song. Someone FINALLY put it up onto youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4JZli05F08

Bruno

June 4th, 2012
11:17 pm

This is the kind of crap cons fixate on and repeat over and over.

getalife–Why do I keep getting the feeling that you’re terminally bored?? ;-)

JamVet

June 4th, 2012
11:18 pm

My favorite LZ song?

Wow, that’s a tough one.

Babe, I’m Gonna Leave You, Black Dog, Rock and Roll, Tangerine, Since I’ve Been loving You, Whole Lotta Love, Living Loving Maid (She’s Just a Woman), Good Times Bad Times, Dazed and Confused.

But when I was just a teenager, this is the one that I remember that really changed things for me musically.

That intense, hammering speed, along with those crazy good vocals, and the wicked guitar work by Page…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZNkLyQSZVg

Bruno

June 4th, 2012
11:22 pm

Calling it a night guys. Catch you all on FNM……

Summertime

June 4th, 2012
11:22 pm

Jay, please remember this post come November when B. Hussein Obama releases the wrath of his massive war chest on the American public and Romney campaign. Money is buying every campaign and unfortunately, that is the crap-on-a-stick we are left with as voters. Our founding fathers would be horribly disappointed.

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)

June 4th, 2012
11:34 pm

getalife@11:07 – Getting a little nick-picky aren’t you dude? It is about jobs and the economy not the BS distractions you occupy-liberalheads can think up!

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)

June 4th, 2012
11:40 pm

If Wisconsin went from 3.5 billion in the hole to several hundred thousand in the good during Gov Scott Walker’s 1st 18 months in office, it should not matter if he is Democrat, Repub, athesist, Mormon, or even Muslim! He should be appaulded not re-called. Sorry about the mispell, forgive me getalife!

ken

June 5th, 2012
12:43 am

Great Scott !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JKL2

June 5th, 2012
1:10 am

Democrats love to reward failure. Try to recall the guy who did what he promised to do during his campaign while applauding those who refused to show up for work. No wonder they love obama so much…

Hot Air

June 5th, 2012
1:43 am

They Both Suck – you open your mouth – nothing but hot air comes out. Do you ever give a eal opinion or have real ideas?

Oblama

June 5th, 2012
1:44 am

Hot Air – You noticed that too.

Oblama

June 5th, 2012
1:52 am

Labor unions have no power in a weak economy. States have to do what they can to survive. The Dems are creating a difficult atmosphere for companies to succeed. Higher taxes and more regulation are a death knell to small business in hard times. Obama is out of touch with what works in the real world. Nanny Pelosi says jump and he want to know how high. We need real leadership with a clue about the laws of economics.

Oblama

June 5th, 2012
2:06 am

His policies turned around Wisconsin’s economy. Obama could use a little of this common sense economic planning.

hryder

June 5th, 2012
5:59 am

VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENT ELECTED OFFICE HOLDERS IN THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, ESPECIALLY OBAMA, ENTERTAINER IN CHIEF OF THE BRAINLESS MOOCHERS.

MiltonMan

June 5th, 2012
6:39 am

Jay has no problem with the millions being spent by a recall initiated by the Democrats??? Good grief. If this was a Democratic governor forcing a recall, Jay’s tone woould be alot different.

MiltonMan

June 5th, 2012
6:43 am

“This is the kind of crap cons fixate on and repeat over and over.

So, play this game.

willard can’t spell.”

Comes from a guy who defends Obozo for stating he had visited 57 US states???

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 5th, 2012
6:44 am

Man, oh man…the conservative radicals are out early this morning…think they’re worried or something?

Madmax

June 5th, 2012
7:08 am

The difference between Wiscinsin and Greece – Wisconsin voters understand reality

Mick

June 5th, 2012
7:14 am

No matter who wins, it’s the same divide that we are all going through, close to 50% of the people on either side are not going to be happy after all is said and done…

Jm

June 5th, 2012
7:15 am

http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/teen-killed-dad-charged-1451806.html

Our laws have gotten screwed up

Homicide is an over the top charge for this guy

Willis

June 5th, 2012
7:19 am

Walker and his buddy Paul Ryan are alike – two smug, smart-alecks who think they have all the answers. I hope he gets kicked out.

Jack

June 5th, 2012
7:22 am

Walker’s 5-12 plan made sense to me; it didn’t make sense to the unions and government employees. It did make sense to non-union, non-government employees and the recall will fail. Obama didn’t show up to endorse Barrett because his advisors are not totally stupid.

TaxPayer

June 5th, 2012
7:38 am

“Scott! Scott! Try not to wee-wee all over yourself every time I call, k, thks.” – David Koch

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 5th, 2012
7:39 am

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
7:41 am

Willis. Collect your narrow minded thoughts. The state is IN MUCH BETTER shape than when he took over two years ago. Facts, not opinion. IF you would look at the issues you would not be so misinformed. The State is asking them to pay PART of there health care cost AS ALL PRIVATE SECTOR folks do. He is asking that EVERYTHING they want to enrich their lives not be crammed down the throat of the states TAX payers with little recourse. THE STATE was in trouble. THAT’s why he’ll win. THE TAX payers get it.

Jm

June 5th, 2012
7:42 am

Granny, mine too

Go walker!

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
7:46 am

Only about 12% of the nations workers are union….and declining……Read why Eastern Airlines is no longer here, and it isn’t because they couldn’t fill seats or afford fuel……… You can not pay a person to clean planes 60K a year and have them retire at 45 with 25 years of service with 80% of their pay and life time medical. It’s not the real world…………….So EVERYONE lost their job.

Mick

June 5th, 2012
7:49 am

Walker is a putz, just listen to him on that prank phone call. How embarassing and just another suk up to the wealthy kochs. He is probably going to hang on, much the same way bush did in 04. Life goes on…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 5th, 2012
7:49 am

Jm

What do you think the chances are that he is John Doe and will be indicted?

Where will Walker go then?

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
7:51 am

And on another note…………….I ‘m totally for unions back when they first started and their purpose to give the working man a voice with management………Unions bosses have lost their way. over 30% of this states teachers HAVE LEFT THE UNION BECAUSE THEY NOW CAN. They were tired of their forced dues going to Democratic campaigns……and that is a fact.

Jm

June 5th, 2012
7:51 am

Planned parenthood doesn’t need taxpayer money, they obviously have excess

They are running millions of dollars in ads in FL

Donovan

June 5th, 2012
7:51 am

Just goes to show you that common sense ideas are listened to in Wisconsin. The state is in far better shape now that Walker’s campaign promises have been kept.

No lay-offs. No union thug lootings of the state pension funds. No more union thug health insurance demands. No more deficits. No more mandatory union thug dues.

Why wouldn’t the majority of Wisconsin voters not want Scott Walker? Only the left wing Democrat losers want his demise.

When you hitch your wagon to a loser’s horse you only get a nag trying to pull a wagon full of horse manure.

Mick

June 5th, 2012
7:52 am

Eastern? My god some of you need to dig deep. All this anti-union hammering and examples from decades ago has nothing to do with todays economy. So, when times were good why not make as much as you can? You don’t seem to be bothered by athletes or ceo’s that gouge their shareholders…

Jm

June 5th, 2012
7:53 am

Granny

If walker is indicted and found guilty, he should go to jail

Plus a ton of community service

Techfan

June 5th, 2012
7:54 am

Mick

June 5th, 2012
7:55 am

donovan

What’s the difference between a union thug and a corporate thug? Chances are the union thug will get busted and go to jail. The corporate thug? He just gets a golden parachute and accolades from cons among us – good job judas, well done judas…

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
7:56 am

Mick…………………..you can learn a lot from history. Why didn’t Boeing consider this state over South Carolina for their new billion dollar plant with 5,000 good paying jobs? The cold weather? Wake up and smell the coffee. Everyone is broke and rich union deals are over. Watch today.

stands for decibels

June 5th, 2012
7:57 am

This country is in trouble.

Yeah. We’re pretty effed.

Moneyed interests have bought the entire political process; it’s about whether you want the horribly oppressive/openly-psychopathic version of serfdom (most Goopers), or the mildly beneficent/slightly-batty version of serfdom (most Dems).

The modest bi-partisan measures to make the process somewhat democratic and participatory over the last century are being neutered at most every turn.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 5th, 2012
7:58 am

Jm

We have a point of agreement.

bob

June 5th, 2012
8:00 am

How do those on the left whine about “obscene profits” in healthcare yet back the unions in Wisconsin ? Under the old collective bargaining the school systems had to by health insurance from the WEA trust. After collective bargaining one system got quotes from other companies and saved 1.3 million in one year. The union owned WEA trust says they are non profit but sure did force school systems to spend millions more on health insurance than they should have. Why should taxpayers be forced to by insurance from unions at inflated rates ?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 5th, 2012
8:01 am

bob

got a link?

bob

June 5th, 2012
8:02 am

Mick, why did Caterpiller and Baxter both jump ship from Obama’s home state of IL and open new plants in GA ?

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
8:02 am

Mick……………….another difference in thugs and corps. Thugs usually don’t have a pot to pea in, just storm the capital and destroy property and make a frigging mess……… Corp. has all the money….and will to risk capital…..to make jobs and enrich our lives….like with new aircraft from Boeing………Unions without corp. are like bathtubs without water. Worthless.

bob

June 5th, 2012
8:04 am

Granny, you have not heard of the WEA trust ? I thought you kept up to date ? Or maybe the WEA trust is not something you union lovers want people to know about. I am sure you can find a link, if you want the truth that is.

skipper

June 5th, 2012
8:05 am

It should be obvious that these unions have gotten completely out of control. They may have (way back) started as a good thing, but now, folks demand 364 days off a year, health benefits paid in full for life, more pay for less work, etc. They have contributed to the downfall of many businesses………their demands in many cases are ridiculous. Walker has the state in better shape than most states…..folks, as usual, are just hunting that free lunch! Unions need to go the way of the buggy-whip….they both are outdated and useless!

Jm

June 5th, 2012
8:05 am

Bob 8:02

I know I know :)

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
8:05 am

Unions are people who demand some of the crop without any care of what the crop yield is.

kayaker 71

June 5th, 2012
8:07 am

So, it appears that liberals don’t like budget surpluses, balanced budgets, property tax decreases and more money for schools. Hell, liberals don’t even like budgets or any kind. Here you have a guy that campaigned on balancing the 3.5B dollar budget shortfall and he did it….. in under two years. Now that the union employees have a chance to get their medical care from more than just one provider, the money saved in just this alone was enough to save millions. No kickbacks, no preferential treatment….. just the lowest bid for the best care….. and no union connection. The party is over, liberals. If Debbie Schultz is worried that this might be some kind of referendum for Bozo, you should listen carefully. She didn’t sound too happy and with Bozo no showing up to support Barret, WI is definitely in play for November. And Bozo took WI by 14 points in 2008. Are even liberals wising up?

JamVet

June 5th, 2012
8:09 am

Facts, not opinion.

Yet, he provides……………………….. none.

But he’s got some great slogan material there.

Hysterical…

Public sector unions are not my concern.

The ever increasing exploitation of working class American families and the devastation of America’s middle class is a grave concern to me.

And this travesty will continue unabated as the imperious and corrupt men who run – but who don’t even own – these unpatriotic welfare recipients, called BIG business continue to consolidate more and more and more wealth and power into fewer and fewer and fewer hands.

All because the fake conservatives are too cowardly to even bother putting up a fight to retain their own sovereignty.

Worse than that, they make up malicious lies about the very Americans who are standing up to injustice.

You figure it out. I cannot.

You rubes have been hoodwinked.

As your Father of Socialized Medicine nominee says, “Corporations are people, my friend.”

And with your invaluable help, the American aristocracy’s full scale assault to drive Republican worker’s wages down will continue.

Inexplicably, you cheer on your own incomes FLAT-LINING for forty years, as though this debacle is the proper and natural evolution of American capitalism.

So, your suicide watch continues.

And you will not say a word about any of this…

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
8:10 am

Obama won’t get near the place. The woman running things, V. Jackson, has told him to stay away……………..Why………….Him showing up WILL ONLY ENERGIZE Walkers supporters.

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 5th, 2012
8:10 am

If Debbie Schultz is worried that this might be some kind of referendum for Bozo, you should listen carefully.

Debbie Watchherman Schitts?

Mick

June 5th, 2012
8:13 am

liberal

Is there such a thing as a one size shoe that fits all? You seem to cheer on the corp that can reduce the wage earner from $20 an hour to say $12. More profit for the company and execs but what about the workers? You all get what you deserve. Like I said, let’s visit america in about 30 years from now with no unions and low wages, crap healthcare and no pensions. It will be pretty sorry but you know what? I’m OK and will be quite allright but I feel for my fellow americans and the decline you anti union people seem to cheer on. In today’s economy, all the unions that are left in the US are just trying to hang on, the inflated wages of the past have been corrected and now its just a downward spiral and thats good???

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

June 5th, 2012
8:16 am

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
8:19 am

Yea JamVet, capitalism and the American way has really made a dismal failure of America in 200 + years. I’m sure that ALL the things that capitalism is America has given the world to enrich lives is a failure. I’m sure Europe hates us with our big, industrial military power. Why, if you look at medicine, aviation, engineering,science, etc, we are just one big black eye to the civilized world. We ought to be ashamed or ourselves. And none of these marvels came out of our government. They came from risk takers, dreamers………….but most of a all, a free people up to now, free of a heavy handed government trying to ” spread the wealth”

kayaker 71

June 5th, 2012
8:20 am

Mick, 8:13,

We are not all anti-union. However, with nearly 92% of political contributions going to only one political party, you might say that there is a bit of bias out there. And union members have no choice as to where this money goes. It is taken from their check without consent, just for the privilege of being in a union. If given the choice, many union members choose not to join. But that gives the unions less power and less money to influence candidates, especially Democrats. I am not so sure that all of those non-union shops are in some kind of “downward spiral” as you describe it. They seem to have average to better than average wages, acceptable health care, and pension funds that provide for their retirement. They just don’t give money to Democrats to fund elections.

Mick

June 5th, 2012
8:21 am

**but most of a all, a free people up to now, free of a heavy handed government trying to ” spread the wealth”**

What a load of horse manure, tunnel vision at its best…

JamVet

June 5th, 2012
8:23 am

He whose name contends that he is not smart,

As I said, YOU will not touch the salient point.

Flat-lined incomes for the vast majority of American middle class workers for four straight decades.

Why is that?

You probably don’t even believe it is a fact, do you?

Adam

June 5th, 2012
8:24 am

skipper: but now, folks demand 364 days off a year, health benefits paid in full for life, more pay for less work, etc

That’s absurd. Do you think unions could negotiate such a package at a table where they hash such things out – ever? Or are you just afraid of facing them?

Taking the table away is WRONG.

stands for decibels

June 5th, 2012
8:25 am

The woman running things, V. Jackson, has told him to stay away

There are barrels full of right wing stupid in that one sentence alone.

Adam

June 5th, 2012
8:26 am

kayaker: However, with nearly 92% of political contributions going to only one political party, you might say that there is a bit of bias out there.

And you think this is because of what? Maybe because one party wants to destroy the unions completely so that they never return, and one party that at least wants to talk to workers and at least hear their concerns? I wonder which party *I* would support if I was a union…. jeez.

Mick

June 5th, 2012
8:26 am

yaker

You contradict yourself, people who are so vehemently anti-union have no clue. Your big issue is money to democrats, well the democrats are the party that will at least lend an ear and fight for union causes. The republicans? Only hostility, so why is it so hard to wrap your mind around the fact that only a very small percentage of union people grumble about money to the dems? The majority back it completely. Besides union money in politics is decreasing while wealthy individuals and corporations can buy anyone. The deck is stacked but you want it all and if thats where this country is going – good luck sukkers…

Adam

June 5th, 2012
8:28 am

Actually the fact Walker bragged about Obama not showing up shows me he was SCARED of Obama showing up. And is wiping his sweaty forehead with a big “phew” that it didn’t happen.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
8:29 am

Well, Mick, is it a lie. Does Obama not hate corporate profits OFF THE BACKS OF HIS PEOPLE as he likes to say. Lie?

Donovan

June 5th, 2012
8:29 am

Makes you wonder what side of America liberals are on.

Oh, wait a minute…it’s quite apparent from their responses. Anyone who has a smattering of education will see the rhetorical similarities of socialism and communism with their discourse.

JamVet

June 5th, 2012
8:32 am

Donovan, your 8:29 is juvenile.

Fact free, sophist nonsense.

And it is amazing that you reactionaries still cower because of the RED SCARE!!!

You are probably a big Alan West/Joseph McCarthy fan…

Adam

June 5th, 2012
8:32 am

rhetorical similarities of socialism and communism

Only someone who thinks those two are the same things (i.e., uneducated to what they actually are) would make such a statement. It’s worse than “The parties are the same!” (which is also provably false).

JamVet

June 5th, 2012
8:33 am

He who believes everything,

No witty rejoinders? No observations about middle class wages?

Hello?

skipper

June 5th, 2012
8:34 am

@Adam..
If you think unions as of late have not been a detriment, you need to go back to basic business principles. Too many demands that are ridiculous…. and that contribute to the failing or deficit of whatever entity they represent.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
8:34 am

Ok, JamVet, try this on. Look at the standard of the middle class living in this country as compared to almost ALL the FREE world. Hell, look at the standard of living for the folks in Poverty. TV’s, Xboxes, A/C, cell phones, sec 8 housing, food stamps galore……… Pretty good life for folks who HAVE DONE NOTHING but be born to become anything productive in the greatest country on earth. Don’t see any fences trying to keep people from leaving.

Mick

June 5th, 2012
8:39 am

**Anyone who has a smattering of education will see the rhetorical similarities of socialism and communism with their discourse.

If there was any doubt before there is none now, you haven’t got a clue…

JamVet

June 5th, 2012
8:39 am

An absurd red herring (look it up) is the best you can come up with???

Why are you so afraid of seeing the reality and admitting the incontrovertible truth about middle class wages in this country now, compared with in 1973?

I think I know why.

Because admitting that you have been dead wrong about this – as sold to you by the men you elect and support – is even more painful.

But that does nothing to address this debacle that now exists…

Mick

June 5th, 2012
8:40 am

**Does Obama not hate corporate profits OFF THE BACKS OF HIS PEOPLE as he likes to say**

WTF? Are you tripping? Wake up and smell the coffee…

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
8:41 am

To the Libs on here. There are plenty of places in this world to go live where it fits your political and social agenda. Don’t see many leaving. The idea of ” everybody gets a trophy” is killing this country. What’s made this country great is that there are winners and losers….. and the cream has risen……and we’ve been taxed to death to support the cream that didn’t rise. In a free market, you will have that. In Northern Africa, you don’t.

Mick

June 5th, 2012
8:42 am

jamvet

Unfriggin believable!! The propaganda has been cemented…let them have their way if that’s what america wants..don’t come pissin and moaning in ten, twenty years to me…

kayaker 71

June 5th, 2012
8:44 am

The AFSCME, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, spent nearly 50M during the 2010 campaign. This same union has spend a total in excess of 67M since 2008 attempting to save incumbent seats in the Senate and the House. SEIU spent nearly 85M in the 2008 campaign, it’s top priority?…. saving Democratic seats and getting Bozo elected. The AF of L and the AFSCME spent together a total in excess of 100M in the 2010 elections supporting Democrats. And 92% of union dues in political contributions went to Democratic candidates. No wonder liberals don’t want anything to happen to union power.

Mr_B

June 5th, 2012
8:45 am

Hey; Jay. What did that get moderated for?

Mick

June 5th, 2012
8:47 am

**No wonder liberals don’t want anything to happen to union power.**

So, waht you’re saying is that you want it all, no opposition? One party rule? Sounds very anti-democracy to me…

JamVet

June 5th, 2012
8:49 am

Mick, the believer will not touch the subject of American working wages in 1973 vs. American working wages in 2012.

Instead, he desperately wants to have a discussion about wages in Sudan or North Korea.

Why? I have no clue.

I suspect because he knows that he has no cogent explanations or even legitimate excuses for the status quo in America…

Adam

June 5th, 2012
8:50 am

skipper: If you think unions as of late have not been a detriment, you need to go back to basic business principles

I would suggest to you that if you think that they have been as big a detriment as you say by merely existing, that it is you that needs to go back to basic business principles.

Mr_B

June 5th, 2012
8:50 am

“kayaker: However, with nearly 92% of political contributions going to only one political party, you might say that there is a bit of bias out there.”

Well, yeah, people generally DON’T support parties or politicians who are intent on their destruction.

Adam

June 5th, 2012
8:52 am

Mick: So, waht you’re saying is that you want it all, no opposition? One party rule? Sounds very anti-democracy to me…

That is exactly the point. They don’t want anyone who can challenge them at all. It’s also why they continue to want to pump money into so-called “defense” spending.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
8:53 am

JamVet………….your are right about one thing. I am a believer. In my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Adam

June 5th, 2012
8:55 am

May he save you from the liberals and make sure the sick never get healed and you get to keep your arsenal of guns….

JamVet

June 5th, 2012
8:58 am

I am a believer. In my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

To me, that is irrelevant.

But if hiding behind him to justify your lack of moral courage to at least be honest about this specific matter makes you feel better, so be it…

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
9:02 am

Jamvet………….” hide behind” ? Why would I do that. That would dishonor him greatly….. And you of all people on here should know about honor. I assume you are veteran, if so, I honor you. I would never let a debate of political ideals come between my Lord………..Or a Veteran.

JamVet

June 5th, 2012
9:08 am

Debate?

You don’t debate.

You play hide and seek.

So as to avoid honestly discussing what you desperately don’t want to see or acknowledge.

And why for nearly a dozen posts now, you’ve not answered a simple question.

But hey, it’s a free country. Sort of…

Mick

June 5th, 2012
9:09 am

Jesus – greatest liberal of all time “the poor shall inherit the earth” match that up with all your right wing bs…

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
9:20 am

Mick, better read the whole book. picking and choosing is what’s wrong with today’s church.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
9:23 am

Corinthian’s one, chapter 6, verse 9 & 10……………..Don’t think many of Bookman’s regulars would find that ” liberal”

Donovan

June 5th, 2012
9:26 am

Mik, Adam, and JamVet…you give progressive elitists a bad name.

Don’t presume to school me when I take the time to swim with you liberal lunatics. I do find it amusing to jump into your swill and point out your socialist ideas and your communistic leanings. One leads to the other. The point is that each entity has never worked and you guys follow a losing ideology.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
9:27 am

And Mick, another point of view is “right wing bs”………..Kinda makes any opinion you have ” jaded”.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

June 5th, 2012
9:30 am

Mick, waiting on you to get back to me about that bible verse I gave you and tell how that verse being read in mid town by Jesus would fit the liberal mold. Seems like I may not be the only one to avoid questions………………..But are we surprised,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,