John Edwards, not guilty and also not innocent
John Edwards is guilty of many things — stupidity, venality, arrogance and a callous cruelty among others — but a jury of his peers has found him not guilty of Count Three in the six-count federal indictment against him.
The jury deadlocked on the remaining five charges, and the judge in the case has declared a mistrial on those counts.
For the time being, at least, the verdict means that Edwards has won his gamble not to admit guilt and to fight the charges against him, which focus on alleged abuse of campaign finance laws. I can’t claim to have followed the case closely enough to have an opinion on the legal outcome, in part because as indicated above, I had already reached a conclusion about the man himself, and it wasn’t good. It was enough to know that the country had dodged a bullet in not elevating him to the vice presidency or higher, and that his reputation was forever ruined.
As Roy Barnes, a former Edwards supporter, put it recently, “There are some people who ought to be taken out from a courthouse, tied to an oak tree and just whipped. I think he fits into that category.”
I’m sure Barnes was speaking figuratively when he said that. At least I think he was.
Maybe.
– Jay Bookman
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They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
4:48 pm
He surely is guilty of being a SCUMBAG…….
Whether or not that makes him guilty of break any laws is another story
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
4:50 pm
“breaking”…………
jm
May 31st, 2012
4:52 pm
If he’s like Democrat Eliot Spitzer, he’ll be a TV show host making bank shortly.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 31st, 2012
4:53 pm
Does anyone know the likelihood of a retrial on the deadlocked issues?
Real Scootter
May 31st, 2012
4:53 pm
So what happens now? jail time,fine or what?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
4:53 pm
Jm
Why no mention of Oliver North or G Gordon Liddy?
Just sayn…….
Joe Hussein Mama
May 31st, 2012
4:54 pm
jm — “If he’s like Democrat Eliot Spitzer, he’ll be a TV show host making bank shortly.”
I doubt that. Spitzer just consorted with hookers. Edwards has done considerably more objectionable things than that.
kayaker 71
May 31st, 2012
4:55 pm
What was count three all about?
Steve
May 31st, 2012
4:57 pm
Vitter consorted with hookers and is STILL in office. But Republicans seem to get off the hook for things like that.
Grasshopper
May 31st, 2012
4:58 pm
John Edwards is dreamy…
Peter
May 31st, 2012
4:58 pm
jm ……. Really. as bad as the GOP guy wanting to play with men in the airport bathroom ?
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
4:58 pm
Ol Roy feels betrayed…
Edwards is not done yet.
kayaker 71
May 31st, 2012
5:01 pm
So “dreamy” John got off by the skin of his liberal arse. It is a shame that some of the doctors that he sued didn’t suffer the same fate. This skank has no morals and no conscience…. you liberals should be proud of one of your own.
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
5:01 pm
Count 1: Conspiracy (maximum 5-year sentence)
Edwards, a former U.S. senator from North Carolina, is accused of conspiring to receive and conceal contributions in excess of the allowed limits from Rachel “Bunny” Mellon and Fred Baron, a now-deceased Texas lawyer who was Edwards’ finance chairman. Under the Federal Election Campaign Act, the most an individual could contribute to any candidate in 2008 was $2,300 in the primary election and $2,300 in the general election.
Prosecutors argued that Edwards, while a candidate for federal office, accepted $725,000 from Mellon and more than $200,000 from Baron. Counts 2-5 reflect that accusation.
Count 2: Illegal campaign contributions (maximum 5-year sentence)
Edwards is accused of receiving contributions from Mellon in excess of federal limits in 2007.
Count 3: Illegal campaign contributions (maximum 5-year sentence)
Edwards is accused of receiving contributions from Mellon in excess of of federal limits in 2008.
Count 4: Illegal campaign contributions (maximum 5-year sentence)
Edwards is accused of receiving contributions from Baron in excess of federal limits in 2007.
Count 5: Illegal campaign contributions (maximum 5-year sentence)
Edwards is accused of receiving contributions from Baron in excess of of federal limits in 2008.
Count 6: False statements (maximum 5-year sentence)
Edwards is accused of hiding from his presidential committee the hundreds of thousands of dollars in contributions from Mellon and Baron, causing that committee to create and submit inaccurate campaign finance reports to the Federal Election Commission.
josef
May 31st, 2012
5:01 pm
Well, now we can roast straight folks and Democrats at the same time…and who says the Imam ain’t EOI?
And will wonders never cease, I actually agree with Barnes on something…
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:02 pm
kayaker
Come on now. Not sure how many “liberals” on this board have run to the defense of Edwards. No different than you have run to the defense of Republican scumbags.
Scumbags come in all political stripes
Joe Hussein Mama
May 31st, 2012
5:03 pm
Steve — “Vitter consorted with hookers and is STILL in office. But Republicans seem to get off the hook for things like that.”
I knowit. My wife calls Vitter “Diaper Dave.” But then she’s not as good-natured or as charitable as I am.
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
5:03 pm
71, this one?
In 1984 Edwards was assigned to a medical malpractice lawsuit that had been perceived to be unwinnable; the firm had only accepted it as a favor to an attorney and state senator who did not want to keep it. Nevertheless, Edwards won a $3.7 million verdict on behalf of his client, who had suffered permanent brain and nerve damage after a doctor prescribed an overdose of the anti-alcoholism drug Antabuse during alcohol aversion therapy.
josef
May 31st, 2012
5:03 pm
KAYAKER
Given your profession, for a change I think you’re being rather kind on Eddie…
Recon 0311 2533
May 31st, 2012
5:04 pm
Edwards will get judgment someday. I didn’t follow this case all that closely either but thought I understood that count 3 was the strongest count against Edwards that was presented. If that’ true it seems strange that the jury would find him not guilty on count 3 but deadlock on the other 5 weaker counts. It would seem that they would have found him not guilty on all counts.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 31st, 2012
5:06 pm
K71 — “This skank has no morals and no conscience…. you liberals should be proud of one of your own.”
Many liberals on this board have repudiated Edwards and I think you know it.
Your choice is clear; either berate us and lower yourself to Edwards’ level, or behave in an adult fashion and rise above it. I wonder which you will choose?
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:06 pm
Edwards will get judgment someday.. Really ? Where and When ?
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:07 pm
K71 — “This skank has no morals and no conscience…. you liberals should be proud of one of your own.”
Yes…… and all of us should Judge him like a good little christian we all pretend to be !
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
5:09 pm
Or this one?
The biggest case of his legal career was a 1996 product liability lawsuit against Sta-Rite, the manufacturer of a defective pool drain cover. The case involved Valerie Lakey, a three-year-old girl who was disemboweled by the suction power of the pool drain pump when she sat on an open pool drain whose protective cover had been removed by other children at the pool, after the swim club had failed to install the cover properly. Despite 12 prior suits with similar claims, Sta-Rite continued to make and sell drain covers lacking warnings. Sta-Rite protested that an additional warning would have made no difference because the pool owners already knew the importance of keeping the cover secured.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:09 pm
Peter
Not sure if Kayaker is a Christian. At least he hasn’t expressed it when I have been on this blog. That might be painting with a broader brush than you think
Paul
May 31st, 2012
5:09 pm
I can understand the verdict.
I can also understand the gratitude expressed that he was never VP.
Karma will play out.
Sheets?
josef
May 31st, 2012
5:11 pm
BOTH
Peter is a fan of Gaugin….
…and as for Kayaker, we’ve tangled a lot, but it’s never had a religious tone of any sort…
Joe Hussein Mama
May 31st, 2012
5:11 pm
I’m out — all be well and drive safely.
josef
May 31st, 2012
5:12 pm
PAUL (and Doggone when you check in)
Was catching up on y’all’s exchange downstairs when we got the sheets…excellent on both counts…
Steve
May 31st, 2012
5:12 pm
He will be looked down upon by everyone for the rest of his life, which will be bad enough. I’m not sure if he has any remorse though as he seems sociopathic to me.
Common Sense isn't very Common
May 31st, 2012
5:13 pm
Since I am currently living in NC it has been pretty much all Edwards on a daily basis for months.
I think the DA started to lose the case when they limited testimony of the election board (that was favorable to Edwards).
Yes he is a total scumbag but I think this was somewhat of a witch hunt.
No better and no worse than the witch hunt for Clinton.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:14 pm
Why because he got caught is there an issue ? Look at McCain for gosh sakes.
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
5:14 pm
Thanks Josef!
Matti
May 31st, 2012
5:14 pm
Mr. Bookman,
Am I correct in my understanding that someone can shovel millions of dollars to a Super PAC –anonymously– and the Super PAC’s handlers can spend that money pretty much any which way they want to? No questions answered?
If so, doesn’t it seem like John Edwards is being singled out for prosecution because people think he’s a scum? How many times are these particular charges investigated or prosecuted in any given decade?
Not a fan of his self-indulgent personal decisions that hurt the wonderful woman who married him and removed him as an effective advocate for America’s (now mostly voiceless) poor, but then (a) this behavior is in no way unique to John Edwards or Democratic Presidential candidates, and (b) someone else’s marriage is none of my business.
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
5:15 pm
I saw a funny story this morning that Obama flys in his barber every 2 weeks to cut his hair. Damn the carbon footprint! The presidents hair is impodent it is.
It reminded me of that ridiculous piece where Edwards was primping in the mirror for a couple of minutes. Edwards had the $400 haircut. To be fair Clinton only had that cheap $200 haircut.
What is it with these liberal, out of touch elitists?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18157456/ns/politics-decision_08/t/edwards-haircuts-cost-pretty-penny/
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n25_v9/ai_13925502/
Paul
May 31st, 2012
5:15 pm
josef
Thanks.
Given the current topic, can you imagine Doggone/GA with a law degree going up against John Edwards? Yowza!
kayaker 71
May 31st, 2012
5:15 pm
JamVet, 5:03,
That’s just one of them. Think they are all like that? Edwards was singly responsible for the soaring malpractice insurance premiums for neurosurgeons, OB and pediatrics in NC. He was the recipient of 50 verdicts in excess of 1M dollars. 31 of these cases were malpractice cases. In one of the worst, in which his client was awarded 23M dollars for convincing a jury that a baby born with cerebral palsy suffered oxygen loss at delivery, he dramatized the case by playing the baby in front of the jury, speaking in baby language to dramatize the event. He is a despicable ambulance chasing jerk who made most of his money at the expense of mostly well meaning physicians.
jm
May 31st, 2012
5:15 pm
“Why no mention of Oliver North or G Gordon Liddy?”
Were they on a major news network with an hour-long show for a few years?
What’d I miss?
jm
May 31st, 2012
5:16 pm
“as bad as the GOP guy wanting to play with men in the airport bathroom ?”
liberal homophobia
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
5:16 pm
If Edwards goes to prison will he be able to fly in his barber to give him $400 haircuts?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:17 pm
josef
That is why I mentioned it. Kayaker and I have went back and forth a few times, however I’ve never sensed a religious aspect to his views.
I didn’t want him painted in a way that that could be untrue.
pogo
May 31st, 2012
5:17 pm
But the liberals were “this close” to choosing this guy as being their guy. This explains how Obama got elected, doesn’t it? This is what happens when the press and the people fawn over the image of a candidate and don’t lgive a critical eye to the real person and what they are all about. And to this day, we still don’t know what Obama is all about. Obama’s campaign is in deep, deep do-do. He has a bunch of young, over educated and spoiled ideologues running it who cannot see the forest for the trees. Useful idiots if you will. After what happened in Boston, Axlerod and Obama must be panicking. Even the good Governor of that state had to stick with Romney and Bain.
Win or lose, I cannot wait until the Wisconsin Governor’s recall election next Tuesday. That will be a referendum on what the American people believe about the Obama administrations way of doing business (funneling public dollars to unions and special interests). If Walker stays in Wisconsin, Obama better start packing.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:18 pm
He is a despicable ambulance chasing jerk who made most of his money at the expense of mostly well meaning physicians.
Wow did you read all the verdicts, and each note during those trials ?
Or are you just ASSUMING ?
jm
May 31st, 2012
5:18 pm
my 5:15 – oh yeah, prime time too
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
5:18 pm
“I saw a funny story this morning that Obama flys in his barber every 2 weeks to cut his hair.”
I read somewhere once that Madonna has a hairdresser come in EVERY DAY to touch up her roots.
jm
May 31st, 2012
5:19 pm
liberal media failing to do due diligence on a democrat politician. again.
does the liberal media take its job seriously? /rhetorical q/ – nope
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:19 pm
But the liberals were “this close” to choosing this guy as being their guy. This explains how Obama got elected, doesn’t it?
How did Bush get elected then ? Oh the highest court leaning right at the time appointed him……..that’s right !
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:19 pm
“Were they on a major news network with an hour-long show for a few years?
What’d I miss?”
With you very well knowing that both of the indivduals I mentioned having been media figures then you could have saved yourself a post. That was weak as it gets, even from you, and you can be pretty weak a good percentage of the time.
Get you a being helping of “selective condemnation”………… It goes well on anything
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
5:19 pm
“Given the current topic, can you imagine Doggone/GA with a law degree going up against John Edwards? Yowza!”
I’m not sure I’d make a good lawyer. I’ve been told I’m too logical! Of course, I’ve also been told I’m too blunt.
jm
May 31st, 2012
5:20 pm
obama. free pass. edwards, free pass. kerry, free pass.
Why does the non-media have to do the due diligence on democrat politicians? hmmmm
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:21 pm
liberal homophobia.
Love it……..when the brain ceases to function…then the name calling persists !
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
5:21 pm
&1, your impassioned, Edwards-like (LOL!) eloquence aside, I believe this is the case you are referring to…
In 1985, Edwards represented a five-year-old child born with cerebral palsy – a child whose mother’s doctor did not choose to perform an immediate Caesarean delivery when a fetal monitor showed she was in distress.
Edwards won a $6.5 million verdict for his client, but five weeks later, the presiding judge sustained the verdict, but overturned the award on grounds that it was “excessive” and that it appeared “to have been given under the influence of passion and prejudice,” adding that in his opinion “the evidence was insufficient to support the verdict.”
He offered the plaintiffs $3.25 million, half of the jury’s award, but the child’s family appealed the case and received $4.25 million in a settlement.
Winning this case established the North Carolina precedent of physician and hospital liability for failing to determine if the patient understood the risks of a particular procedure.
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
5:22 pm
kayaker,
I don’t think libs want to hear about this ambulance chasing scum and how he made his money. His shenanigans drove up not only malpractice premiums but also insurance premiums. Him and the whole group of scum trial lawyers just like him. Its hard to teach liberals though and make them understand just how scumbags like Edwards affect their lives like this.
jm
May 31st, 2012
5:22 pm
TBS – feel free to point me to their host shows
Spitzer – CNN, In the Arena.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:24 pm
That might be painting with a broader brush than you think……..
Not really I am sure all have opinions about the guy, but hey we are all happy Christians making judgment calls…..because that is the Christian thing to do !
Paul
May 31st, 2012
5:25 pm
Doggone/GA
I was thinking ‘tenacious.”
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
5:25 pm
Doggone
I would say too honest.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:25 pm
jm
Cry all you like. After all it is your MO. Jay said this. jay said that.
boo booo
wwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Split all the hairs you like………… They are media figures and just like Spitzer and the best you have is “well they didn’t have an hour show”
hahahahahahaha
You just cried more tears than the recent storm dumped rain on FL
But carry on……… at least you are fairly consistent
josef
May 31st, 2012
5:25 pm
JM
What did you miss? A LOT…those two on the tee vee were something to behold!
PAUL/DOGGONE
Seriously, y’all both made some interesting points/comments…
BOTH
I leave it to Kayaker to state his case, but I seem to recall very early on in one of our tangles over homosexuality, he made the point that he was not religious..
Thulsa
Okay, better get busy defending your fellow ambulance chaser!
.
jose
May 31st, 2012
5:25 pm
John Edwards is a scumbag and guilty of immorality. However, in my opinion, he did not break the law. The payment was to hide his mistress from his wife and family, not from voters and therefore did not break federal election law. The government over reached in this particular case.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:26 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/war-stories/index.html
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:26 pm
Its hard to teach liberals though and make them understand just how scumbags like Edwards affect their lives like this.
Dick Cheney…….. Cost Plus contracts ring a bell ? Driving up the deficit.
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
5:26 pm
“How did Bush get elected then ? Oh the highest court leaning right at the time appointed him……..that’s right !”
Revisionist history aint gonna cut it sir. W won that election fair and square. And what libs refuse to acknowledge is that 6 news organizations( 4 liberal, 2 conservative) went down to Fla a month or 2 later and recounted by hand every vote cast. The results? Not only did W win but he won by a wider margin.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:26 pm
jm
NOW STFU
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
5:26 pm
All of these emotion-based, empirically unsubstantiated
argumentsepithets – are interesting.Though they offer nothing informative or compelling.
Though they do remind me of the old adage about urinating into the wind…
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
5:27 pm
Peter,
Liberal icon FDR handed out cost plus contracts during WW2. Does that ring a bell sir?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:27 pm
josef
I hear you. I was just speaking up for him since it appeared he was being hit for something he may not even be
jconservative
May 31st, 2012
5:28 pm
What was missing in this case was prosecutorial discretion.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:28 pm
Thulsa Doom. Who won the popular vote then ?
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
5:28 pm
Well, let’s see…according to some posters here there is no crime…since there is no conviction.
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
5:28 pm
Edwards clients didn’t get
a dime a jury didn’t award.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:29 pm
Liberal icon FDR handed out cost plus contracts during WW2. Does that ring a bell sir?
No I was not alive then.. never rang a bell.. what was the deficit under FDR please tell me since you probably know.
Rhett Butler
May 31st, 2012
5:29 pm
Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:29 pm
http://talkradioinsiders.com/page/g-gordon-liddy-radio-show/
JM
what else can I assist you with?
A tissue perhaps
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
5:30 pm
josef,
Ya lost me there sir. Who would my fellow ambulance chaser be?
BTW I about fell out of my chair on your one liner about not coveting your neighbors wife but his ass being a different story.
The Snark
May 31st, 2012
5:30 pm
I must be the oldest guy on this blog, ’cause I remember Spiro Agnew.
josef
May 31st, 2012
5:31 pm
PETER
I’m pretty sure Kayaker is quite familiar with those cases…most medicine men are…mention his name to Unmentionable during the his hay day as the Dem front runner and get an earful…
Really, Kayaker is being somewhat restrained given his temperament and the topic at hand…
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:32 pm
Is Newt going to get the free pass jm…… or will he have to pay all the millions he owes to his GOP workers, and those he got stuff from ?
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:33 pm
I’m pretty sure Kayaker is quite familiar with those cases…most medicine men are…
That is an assumption.
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
5:33 pm
“what was the deficit under FDR please tell me since you probably know.”- Peter
Peter,
You really don’t know? Deficits under FDR were gigantic and among the biggest if not the biggest deficits in U.S. history adjusted for inflation. Your ignorance on this subject is nothing short of astounding.
ragnar danneskjold
May 31st, 2012
5:34 pm
Finally an area where leftists and conservatives can agree. I have never been a fan of Mr. Edwards, but this case should not have been prosecuted. The jury got it right.
josef
May 31st, 2012
5:34 pm
THULSA
Just a throwback to one of our earlier “exchanges” in re your work in insurance…I compared you and your business to such…you didn’t take highly to it!
SNARK
Oh, no you’re not! Nattering nabobs of negativity!
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
5:34 pm
“I must be the oldest guy on this blog, ’cause I remember Spiro Agnew”
Not by a long shot if that’s as far back as you go. I can remember Eisenhower when he was President.
Soothsayer
May 31st, 2012
5:35 pm
Hey! a little “Bunny Money” is what this whole thing’s all about. So what if she has a “crush” on ol’ John and he cain’t keep his pants zipped? Ain’t reason fur sendin’ a feller to prison, now is it?
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:35 pm
You really don’t know? Deficits under FDR were gigantic and among the biggest if not the biggest deficits in U.S. history adjusted for inflation. Your ignorance on this subject is nothing short of astounding.
Maybe so I should have know, and for what reason ?……. did he cut taxes as well during that time frame ?
jm
May 31st, 2012
5:36 pm
“Jay said this. jay said that.
boo booo”
TBS – I’m 100% sure I haven’t even mentioned Jay’s name on this blog post. Epic fail.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:36 pm
Jm
You have a great day, now…….
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
5:37 pm
Spiro Agnew.
Now there was a prime time player in the GOP’s rogues gallery.
Arguably the worst Vice President in modern American history.
Until Richard Bruce Cheney came along.
Then he blew old Spiro out of the water ala Bob Beamon in the 1968 Olympics!
(And for Doomy……… BOOM!)
jm
May 31st, 2012
5:37 pm
“http://talkradioinsiders.com/page/g-gordon-liddy-radio-show/”
I’m sorry. Did I say radio show? I’m 100% sure I said TV show….. more fail from TBS.
Come’on bud.
josef
May 31st, 2012
5:38 pm
PETER
Edwards was the poster boy for that…
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
5:38 pm
Peter,
Prior to 2009 the 3 largest deficits in U.S. history adjusted for inflation were under FDR.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:38 pm
On this blog…..
Ok, you get a few passes, but you know yourself you have done some crying and moaning numerous times
Just hold tight and keep your usual type posting…….
I will be sure to remind you
“epic fail”?
Sort of like G Gordon Liddy and Oliver North didn’t “host” their own shows?
hahahahahahaha
jm
May 31st, 2012
5:39 pm
Peter 5:32 – sorry, which TV show does Newt host?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:39 pm
jm
Keep flailing. It is a usual day for you.
Nothing new
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
5:40 pm
JamVet,
Naw man. You gotta get vertical on the BOOM. Spaces help too. Feel free to use it next time- preferably right after you call someone meat or mystery meat since that one always cracks me up.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:40 pm
“TBS – feel free to point me to their host shows”
“I’m sorry. Did I say radio show? I’m 100% sure I said TV show….. more fail from TBS.
Come’on bud.”
You couldn’t hit yourself if you were trying……..
But keep the laughs coming
jm
May 31st, 2012
5:41 pm
TBS – you crack me up
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:41 pm
Thulsa Doom . read up a little about the New Deal and FDR.. ……I guess you forgot to mention the Great Depression he was working against…… Gosh how similar to what is going on today after Bush Jr !
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
5:42 pm
I guess the DA couldn’t seal the deal in this case. Had the state of North Carolina passed a bill to retroactively make it illegal to be a scumbag, they would have easily gotten a conviction in this case. However, being a scumbag is not, in itself, illegal. Whether you think or know someone is guilty, when it comes to court proceedings, you have to be able to prove it. In the case of the defense, all they need to do is muddy the waters a bit, and you end up with results such as this.
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Win or lose, I cannot wait until the Wisconsin Governor’s recall election next Tuesday. That will be a referendum on what the American people believe about the Obama administrations way of doing business (funneling public dollars to unions and special interests).
No, Wisconsin will be a referendum on what the people of Wisconsin think about recalling Walker. That election has nothing to do with Obama or the nation regardless to how either party tries to spin it. I swear, some people can turn a baptism into the political battle of the year.
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To those feeding jm the attention he desperately craves, hold yourselves responsible for whatever you create.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:42 pm
Jay
Let Jm edit one of his post, so it appears that he is telling the truth. He doesn’t seem to have the ability to go back and read all of his post before he sticks his foot in his mouth.
But what is new?
ragnar danneskjold
May 31st, 2012
5:43 pm
Striking trivia: it has been 32 years since the democrats nominated a presidential candidate who was not a lawyer. In the same period, the republicans have nominated only one lawyer, Bob Dole, in 1996.
Paul
May 31st, 2012
5:43 pm
Thulsa
World wars where you’re fighting for your survival have a funny impact on deficits -
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:43 pm
jm. You may be speaking about a TV show……….But I am asking about if Newt will get off not paying his bills ?
You libs
May 31st, 2012
5:44 pm
I wish I didn’t have to pay stupid bills so I could stay here all day enjoying the punditry of the Atlanta brain trust.
skipper
May 31st, 2012
5:44 pm
He, like the Kennedys, can espouse liberal ideology….he has his. Folks like the Kennedys could vote for every give-away program out there, because no matter how much it cost the average tax-payer, they had more $ than a show-pony could jump over. Edwards, Kerry (see T. Heinz Kerry) etc. were not liberal icons….they just went after a voting base. I’m glad the sob got tripped up…the ends justify the means.
jm
May 31st, 2012
5:44 pm
TBS – try harder
jm
May 31st, 2012
5:45 pm
“But I am asking about if Newt will get off not paying his bills ?”
probably. bankruptcy and / or back door $ from former supporters
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:46 pm
Jm
Your own post show you to be a liar when he you said you were “100% sure ” that you mentioned TV show?
keep up typical games…….. its all good and all you
peace
kayaker 71
May 31st, 2012
5:46 pm
joseph, 5:31,
Restrained? Yeah, guess so. I might add that in many states, like Hawaii and others, there is a state ordered arbitration board that is composed of physicians, dentists, attorneys, clergy and lay personnel that meets and rules on every malpractice case that is filed in the state. Their decisions are not binding, however, if they rule that a suit is not valid, it was rare that that suit ever made it to court. That did not keep my malpractice premiums down, however. Surgeons paid an average of 100K/yr, up front on January 1st in cash… no payment plans. Without this, your admission privileges to every hospital in town were void. This is a burden which we had to bear for the privilege of practicing surgery, however one that was difficult to pass on to our patients. For three of us in the same office the bill was about 300K. I am not saying that people like Edwards were soley responsible for this but they definitely had a role in making fees rise, insurance premiums soar and making attorneys a lot of money.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:47 pm
probably. bankruptcy and / or back door $ from former supporters
That is a fellow the GOP can look up too then…. bankruptcy…… kind of the typical Economic GOP plan…cause you know………
Deficits don’t matter folks !
jm
May 31st, 2012
5:47 pm
TBS – reading comp not your forte?
“If he’s like Democrat Eliot Spitzer, he’ll be a TV show host making bank shortly.”
Mary Elizabeth
May 31st, 2012
5:48 pm
John Edwards – villain? Certainly not innocent, but what might be – beyond the surface? I certainly do not know, but I have explored uncomfortable and unorthodox possibilities. This entry on my blog of last August was not written about John Edwards, but his situation was mentioned.
http://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/puritanism-sexuality-and-the-work-ethic/
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:48 pm
While Newt isn’t the 1st politician of either party to be in debt over a campaign, the irony is something else that “Mr Slow the spending” is not only several millions in debt with his campaign but his “think (what a oxymoron) tank” went bankrupt a few months ago……..
Couldn’t happen to a better man
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
5:49 pm
Peter,
FDR ran substantial deficits well before the WW 2 in December 1941. And that was when we didn’t have already built in costly federal programs like medicare, medicaid, etc.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:50 pm
skipper. sounds like you are Jealous…..your grand pappy wasn’t a bootlegger at the appropriate time !
That Black Guy
May 31st, 2012
5:50 pm
Off topic. Jay, should this be counted as a donation in kind?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-31/drugmakers-vowed-to-campaign-for-health-law-memos-show.html
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:51 pm
jm
Nice change of direction but I brought up Liddy and North after you mentioned Spitzer being on tv. You asked me to show what news network those two were on. You were showed……… Your tv BS did not come back into play until you were slapped down………
I want you to be on this blog on election night
Please be here
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:52 pm
Jm
go back and read the entire sequence. You will notice that even a crier like yourself wouldn’t buy your misdirection and weak slight of hand
As for this issue. I’m done
next
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:53 pm
yes yes……..FDR ran substantial deficits well before the WW 2 in December 1941. And that was when we didn’t have already built in costly federal programs like medicare, medicaid, etc.
1929 the Great Depression and unemployment was the reason…… and what did he do ? Create the American infrastructure, something we should always thank him for.
He didn’t go out and invade other counties in the GOP fashion to run up the debt did he ?
Then after WW2 we went around the world helping build other countries, and it went away didn’t it ?
josef
May 31st, 2012
5:54 pm
Skipper
Was your granddad a bootlegger?
Peter
May 31st, 2012
5:56 pm
They BOTH suck.. would that now be a ” THUNK Tanked ” ?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:57 pm
Peter
jm
May 31st, 2012
5:57 pm
“I want you to be on this blog on election night”
don’t worry, I’ll drop in briefly no matter the outcome
if we have another FL 2000 though, it may be the next day where you get your chance to say I was wrong (about something, I know not what because I’ve never said that Romney is definitely going to win)
Goes both ways tho. I’ll be here dancing a jig if Obama loses.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
5:58 pm
Jm
Don’t just drop in briefly if Romney loses. Plan to be here as long as you would if he wins
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
5:59 pm
I’m watching Fox news and the Five talk about the Edwards trial. Say what you will you libs about Fox but man are the women hot. Kimberly Guilfoyle is smoking in that outfit today. Angela Tantaros is mighty fine too. The libs? They do have Rosie, Joy Behard, and Rachel Maddow I guess. Hilary too. Oh Lawd I almost forgot they got that hideous Debbie Wasserman Schultz too. Eeeeewwww!
Peter
May 31st, 2012
6:00 pm
Thulsa Doom …. The War on Woman continues !
josef
May 31st, 2012
6:01 pm
THULSA
Libs got Shep Smith and Anderson Cooper…what y’all got?
Rob in Atlanta
May 31st, 2012
6:02 pm
He is innocent until proven guilty. Pretty fundamental concept for our supposed “judicial” system.
josef
May 31st, 2012
6:03 pm
I’m crawling under the bed with Mustafa the al Qaaeda Terrorist Cat on election night…
jm
May 31st, 2012
6:05 pm
TBS – I may have a party to go to that night, so I may be “dropping in” either way
Actually, if Romney loses, I’ll probably be here more.
jm
May 31st, 2012
6:06 pm
“Mustafa the al Qaaeda Terrorist Cat”
?
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
6:07 pm
Peter,
Another view would be that he stuck us with numerous federal programs and crap that we are still paying for today. Fannie and Freddie- front and center of the housing meltdown, came during the new deal. And as just one example he came up with price supports for farming. Which is why today we still have millionaires being subsidized by taxpayers.
Moral of the story- a lot of well meaning govt programs that started under his tenure we cannot get rid of today and some of those programs such as farm subsidies do not support small plot farmers but rather large scale commercial farmers. But we’re still stuck with the bill decades later.
GT
May 31st, 2012
6:08 pm
I keep wondering how these people get this far into a career in politics with these kind of character flaws. And then there are facilitators like Young, Barron and Mellon that are suppose to be descent people. Not one says this is not what I want to get involved with. Lord knows what is going on right now we don’t know about that is facilitated by people we respect.
Old timer
May 31st, 2012
6:09 pm
Well written, Jay. I do not often agree with you, but this time you hit the nail on the head. I actually believed he would be the good guy in the demo party…kinda like Huckabee for the reruns. Edwards let us down.
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
6:10 pm
josef
May 31st, 2012
6:01 pm
THULSA
Libs got Shep Smith and Anderson Cooper…what y’all got?
josef,
Ya got me there. I’m afraid I’m not qualified to judge in that area. But if I could I would send Rush Limbaugh your way.
josef should be getting a queasy feeling in his stomach right about 3,2,1 now!
David M. Green
May 31st, 2012
6:10 pm
Jay its innocent until proven guilty and as of today Edwards has yet to be proven guilty.
josef
May 31st, 2012
6:10 pm
JM
Our cat’s full name…he’s one of them long, skinny felines and when he was a kitten, he’d reach up and knock sh*t off the table…one night Unmentionable swats at him and says, “You just Mustafa the al Qaaida Terrorist Cat, ain’t you?” Don’t know if you’re a cat person or not, but he shot U. that look they can give of “well, ain’t you just slow on the uptake, Dumba33?” The name stuck.
kayaker 71
May 31st, 2012
6:11 pm
Doom,
Heather Childers is their new anchor. I could watch that lady all day long.
Bruno
May 31st, 2012
6:11 pm
Come on now. Not sure how many “liberals” on this board have run to the defense of Edwards. No different than you have run to the defense of Republican scumbags.
Quick opinion from Bruno: I’m obviously not a John Edwards fan, but I think the proposed 30 year jail term was excessive for a financial crime. Murderers and rapists get less. There is a movement in this country to hand out long sentences, but I think we need to have some compassion mixed in. In his case, he would have died in prison for diverting campaign funds.
“There but for the Grace of God go I”
Gordon
May 31st, 2012
6:12 pm
There are 2 Americas. One where you can avoid going to jail for things like this, and one where you can’t.
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
6:12 pm
Bob Dole, in 1996.
Ironic, rags.
Because in my uppity opinion, he’s been the only decent man the GOP has nominated in five decades!
Rock, chalk, Jayhawk!
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
6:13 pm
Peter
May 31st, 2012
6:00 pm
Thulsa Doom …. The War on Woman continues !
Peter,
I hear ya. Up here we’ve rounded up most of the women-the ones we haven’t shot yet anyway, and we got them loaded onto cattle cars to send them to con concentration camps. I think a few of them are still hiding out in the bush here and there but we got our tracker dogs to hunt them down. Rest assured slowly but surely we will win this war.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
6:13 pm
Thulsa.. not denying what you wrote, but that again is part of what happened…….and yes some of those programs are not beneficial to typical American’s……but really what has changed ?
Have there not been many years to over turn such nonsense, and if so why hasn’t it been done ?
josef
May 31st, 2012
6:14 pm
THULSA
I was wondering if you’d fall for it…ssshhhesh, spoil sport.
LIMBAUGH
eeeewwwww! Some things are just too horrible to imagine…bleeeaach…
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
6:14 pm
There are 2 Americas. One where you can avoid going to jail for things like this, and one where you can’t.
Agreed, Gordon.
They have become known as the 1% and the 99%.
Liberty and justice for some…
Peter
May 31st, 2012
6:15 pm
Thulsa Doom .. thank you second great laugh of the day, via this blog !
Now how do I sign up ?
Bruno
May 31st, 2012
6:15 pm
For all my blog friends, including JamVet, Matti, and josef:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1DicZDdNJo
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
6:17 pm
Bruno! Where you been man. Aint seen you in a month or so. You been missing the hatefest.
josef
May 31st, 2012
6:17 pm
ZamVet
Gerald Ford?
BRUNO
Well, ain’t you being forgiving and charitable…when’s the other shoe due to drop…?
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
6:19 pm
Peter,
You’ve already been recruited. You just didn’t know it. My stormtroopers should be at your door in 5 minutes. And don’t even try to get the women out of there in time. My sniper in the tree across the street has the missy in his sights. Tell them to come out with their hands up.
Bruno
May 31st, 2012
6:19 pm
You been missing the hatefest.
On purpose, TD.
I did stick up for you when Jay took a cheap shot at you a few weeks ago. Keep rocking the board, man. You’ve got more to say than virtually any Lib here. When I look through the posts, I pretty much skip to yours, JohnnyReb’s, td’s and Gordon’s. Of course, it’s hard to ignore the JamMan or josef.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
6:19 pm
Kayaker
The ladies on the panel of Five on Fox are the ones…….
yummy
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
6:20 pm
jonix, my great mea culpa!
A fine man from Michigan! I guess in that dark era I forgot there were still some damn good guys around…
Bruno, thanks bro…
Everybody knows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pesIGuV9DDk
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
6:21 pm
TD
Kimberly Guilfoyle’s ex husband used to be the mayor of San Fran and is now the Lt Gov
Bruno
May 31st, 2012
6:21 pm
Well, ain’t you being forgiving and charitable…when’s the other shoe due to drop…?
You know my split personality too well, my friend…..
BTW, I’m about 30 pages into your manuscript. Excellent writing and interesting references, even if it’s all based upon a flawed premise.
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
6:23 pm
Peter
May 31st, 2012
6:13 pm
Thulsa.. not denying what you wrote, but that again is part of what happened…….and yes some of those programs are not beneficial to typical American’s……but really what has changed ?
Peter,
My beef is that I think his administration just set the tone for a much more expansive govt role in the economy from that point going forward. Certainly some of his emergency measures were needed but overall I just think that starting with his administration that we went from a more market oriented economy to an economy with ever more govt middling in it. That’s all.
Some of the good things built though were the interstate highway system, the rural electrification act, tva, etc.
Bruno
May 31st, 2012
6:24 pm
Kimberly Guilfoyle’s ex husband used to be the mayor of San Fran and is now the Lt Gov
What’s the old saying, TBS?? For every beautiful woman in the world, there’s already some guy who’s already tired of her sh*t……
In my case, however, I couldn’t be any luckier. Most likely wedding bells in my picture. Only took me 20+ years to get over the first one!!
JB
May 31st, 2012
6:25 pm
OJ, now Edwards. What a country.
That Black Guy
May 31st, 2012
6:25 pm
josef
May 31st, 2012
6:14 pm
THULSA
I was wondering if you’d fall for it…ssshhhesh, spoil sport.
LIMBAUGH
eeeewwwww! Some things are just too horrible to imagine…bleeeaach
___________________________________________________________________
Who knows josef, he might grow on ya.
Imagine Rush all oiled up, looking like a big pink discoball. It could be …
No…wait…I just threw up a little.
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
6:26 pm
They both suck,
Yeah I saw that but they never said who it was. Who was it? Damn that woman is hot. The one on CNN in the mornings Robin Meade is pretty smoking too.
Yall still got most of the ugly women though. Don’t try to deny it TBS. Don’t even try.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
6:26 pm
No doubt to this statement……..My beef is that I think his administration just set the tone for a much more expansive govt role in the economy from that point going forward.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
6:26 pm
Bruno
Congrats……. Glad to know that things are going well for you on that front. Hope all is well in general.
Hope PB and yourself are ready for the Peachtree. Have you been running some hills?
bman
May 31st, 2012
6:27 pm
John Edwards is just an all-around bad guy who has do e some bad things. A person would have to be crazy to dislike Roy Barnes more…
I plead guilty to the crazy charge.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
6:28 pm
TD
No denying………. Fox has the best “eye candy” in the bizz…..
No argument here
josef
May 31st, 2012
6:28 pm
ZamVet
Best President we never elected…seriously, though, he, and that wonderful family of his, got us past all that turmoil that marked our generation’s youth. A real father figure, he…
BRUNO
Yeah, I’ve been in a good mood too much lately myself. Liable to give folks who don’t know me a wrong impression…
And what do you MEAN flawed premise…hrrrmph!
Bruno
May 31st, 2012
6:29 pm
In case I haven’t promoted it re3cently, everyone should take a look at The Great Courses videos.
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/greatcourses.aspx
PB and I are working our way through 5 courses right now: Buddhism, Great Ideas of Philosophy, Museum Masterpieces: The Louvre, How to Listen to and Understand great Music, and Physics and Our Universe. Beats the heck out of junk TV.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
6:29 pm
Bruno…….In my case, however, I couldn’t be any luckier. Most likely wedding bells in my picture. Only took me 20+ years to get over the first one!!
You must be a real smart guy…most folks climb back in without giving themselves a chance to be…before rushing back in…..Great for you, and best of luck !
bman
May 31st, 2012
6:30 pm
TD…Robin Meade is more than smoking hot. She is a flame!
Bruno
May 31st, 2012
6:32 pm
Hope PB and yourself are ready for the Peachtree. Have you been running some hills?
We just did a 5 mile run on Monday with no problem, so I think we’re ready.
Big Jersey Hello to TBG. Good job keeping the wannabes straight here!!
josef
May 31st, 2012
6:32 pm
FORMAL BLACK GUY…
I wouldn’t wish that one on anybody but Del, Helen Thomas and the Du-k-sha-nee!
Bruno
May 31st, 2012
6:33 pm
Thanks for the well wishes, Peter.
Tom Middleton
May 31st, 2012
6:33 pm
It’s kind of what can happen when your wee-wee does your thinking for you. I mean, all men have to confront this one at some point in their lives, but some never seem to successfully move beyond it.
But maybe, just maybe now John Edwards has; and as a Christian, I still believe he has a lot of good things to offer both this country and world!
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
6:33 pm
bman,
Yeah. I get singed just looking at Miss Meade.
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
6:34 pm
that black guy,
Man i couldn’t even stomach that visual of Rush Limbaugh. Poor josef gonna have nightmares and wake up in a sweat
josef
May 31st, 2012
6:35 pm
BRUNO
Speaking of recommendations…I was mentioning this to Brosephus, but I think you’d like it if you haven’t seen it, PBS’ “The West and the Rest.” A lot of stuff you and I have talked about…
And speaking of Jersey, check in tomorrow night…I got one for you Jersey Boys that I just discovered…
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
6:36 pm
Well heck, maybe I need to get aquainted with CNN a little more. Hardly ever watch it in the morning and usually not much at all, but may have to switch over from my beloved Fox (yes I am a glutton for punishment).
That Black Guy
May 31st, 2012
6:36 pm
Bruno
May 31st, 2012
6:32 pm
Big Jersey Hello to TBG. Good job keeping the wannabes straight here!!
____________________________________________________________
Hey Bruno, heading up there next month, let me know if you need me to bring you something back.
josef
May 31st, 2012
6:32 pm
FORMAL BLACK GUY…
I wouldn’t wish that one on anybody but Del, Helen Thomas and the Du-k-sha-nee!
josef
May 31st, 2012
6:37 pm
THULSA
“Yeah. I get singed just looking at Miss Meade.”
Boy, am I glad I scrolled back on that…I thought you meant Margaret…
Orange 12
May 31st, 2012
6:40 pm
When you attain the status that John Edwards acheived, you would kind of think he was beyond reproach. Being a CA-CA head isn’t against the law no matter what level you are at. Sad his wife had to spend the short remainder of her life living that nightmare.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
6:40 pm
Bruno
Congrats again to PB and yourself. Hope all continues to go well for you………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKl6EZShaaw
Bruno
May 31st, 2012
6:40 pm
Nice Neil selection, Jam.
Catch you guys tomorrow on FNM. I’ve been thinking about submitting a few songs to Jay, but I don’t think our musical tastes match up very well. Don’t see him as being much of a rocker.
For anyone who needs a little inspiration right now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCgQuj8v2gg
Bruno
May 31st, 2012
6:42 pm
and as a Christian
Tom–When you move beyond the self-labeling one day, maybe we can talk…….Until then, keep lying to yourself.
Jm
May 31st, 2012
6:42 pm
Josef re your cat
chuck
May 31st, 2012
6:43 pm
Had the media vetted Barack HUSSEIN Obama like they did Edwards, we would not be in the economic mess that currently plagues us. Edwards is a scumbag and the media saved us from 4 years of embarrassment by outing him. Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a socialist leaning liberal empty suit, that the media allowed to CLAIM to be a centrist. Had they treated him like they did Edwards, he would be a distant memory, relegated to the anonymity he so richly deserves.
WHO CARES how Edwards spent money people DONATED to his campaign? If people are upset with the way the money was spent, they could request a refund from the campaign or sue him for a return of those donations. The trial was ANOTHER waste of my tax dollars, probably costing us well over a million bucks to prosecute a victimless crime. Look at the Roger Clemens trial for instance. It is already over 3 weeks long for LYING TO CONGRESS!?!?! THIS IS A RIDICULOUS WASTE!
I think every President who ever made a state of the union address would be as guilty as Clemens. Government lawyers need to stop trying to make a name for themselves and get back to prosecuting REAL CRIMES.
Bruno
May 31st, 2012
6:43 pm
Hey Bruno, heading up there next month, let me know if you need me to bring you something back.
Hate for you to get busted by airport security, Brother.
I’ll be heading up in July to make another withdrawal from the Borgata……..
Bruno
May 31st, 2012
6:44 pm
Later, gators and taters.
Tom Middleton
May 31st, 2012
6:46 pm
If you don’t know who or what you are, Bruno, then you’re not in control of yourself. We can talk when you get direction that is actually done on purpose.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
6:47 pm
chuck
So what exactly do you want to know about Obama that you do not already know?
Are you looking for the “diamond” that is going to change your mind and you vote for him?
eddy
May 31st, 2012
6:47 pm
Just another Democrat…no morals, no conscience, no personal responsibility, always someone else’s fault, worships when it is convenient for a photo op, military is evil, unions are great, lawyers are even more wonderful than we first thought…one call, that’s all for copious amounts of money, and he’ll run and be elected in some Democratic district…just saying. There is a pattern and culture.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
6:50 pm
eddy
The tin foil hats are on aisle 10……….
It is very clear you are looking for one to wear
Jm
May 31st, 2012
6:51 pm
I’ll say this
As bad as obama’s foreign policy is, it is better than his domestic policy
chuck
May 31st, 2012
6:51 pm
TBs, His PRESIDENCY has vetted him NOW. I’m talking about 2008, when we could have AVOIDED this disaster. All the “media” did in ‘08 was fawn over him. It was as if he was the 2nd coming, for Pete’s sake. Had anybody in the media pointed out his total lack of ANY KIND of usable experience rather than talking about how nice he looked or how articulate he was, he would never have even been considered for that office.
Boris Badnoff
May 31st, 2012
6:51 pm
Thank goodness there won’t be another lawyer in the clink corrupting the morals of robbers and murderers. Now Rielle has a date for the prom.
Jm
May 31st, 2012
6:52 pm
Sooth wears his tin foil hat 24-7
Jm
May 31st, 2012
6:52 pm
Gotta run (literally)
Peter
May 31st, 2012
6:52 pm
eddy .. you from the Munster’s ?
How is that GA 400 Toll working for you ?
OK to lie to the GA public because you are a Republican Governor ?
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
6:53 pm
Had the media vetted Barack HUSSEIN Obama like they did Edwards, we would not be in the economic mess that currently plagues us.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uRlNDK_Z03o/TqwNcqfvgsI/AAAAAAAAANo/Wes3uDQUSwQ/s1600/ImpliedFacepalm.jpg
Is it really the responsibility of the media to inform you of such things, or are you trying to make up for a lack of the GOP doing their due dilligence in opposition research? That talking point is so debunked from the time you even think about it. Had Obama not been vetted enough, how would the people of the US know about the names Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Saul Alinsky, Barry Soetero, and every other thing that was brought up between the Clinton and McCain camps?
If there are so-called bomb shells that have not been discovered about Obama, what does that say about the ability of GOP operatives to effectively conduct opposition research? After all, it’s usually that research that gets leaked to media outlets to generate buzz….
Paulo977
May 31st, 2012
6:53 pm
Matti
but then (a) this behavior is in no way unique to John Edwards or Democratic Presidential candidates, and (b) someone else’s marriage is none of my business.
_______________________________________________
Well ,well ,very well said !!!!!!!!!!!!
Peter
May 31st, 2012
6:54 pm
chuck.
He was elected because McCain and the dumb side kick ran against him……Two boxes of rocks.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
6:56 pm
Chuck
What did you not know? This notion that everyone or anyone in the so called “liberal media” had block buster stories to break and didn’t is pure BS……………..
With that said, I’m not sitting here saying that Obama has been a great President, but the people crying about him not being vetted need to stop using that as a crutch for what was a weak @ss Republican ticket…….
td
May 31st, 2012
6:58 pm
Bruno
May 31st, 2012
6:24 pm
Kimberly Guilfoyle’s ex husband used to be the mayor of San Fran and is now the Lt Gov
What’s the old saying, TBS?? For every beautiful woman in the world, there’s already some guy who’s already tired of her sh*t……
In my case, however, I couldn’t be any luckier. Most likely wedding bells in my picture. Only took me 20+ years to get over the first one!!
Marriage is a great thing when you find the right person to match your own morals and values. Good luck to you.
chuck
May 31st, 2012
6:58 pm
Bro, I KNEW ABOUT HIM BECAUSE I DID MY DUE DILIGENCE. In 2008 I was oon here every day warning people that they should avoid this guy. UNFORTUNATELY, the vast majority of people who voted for him were IDIOTS. Had the MAINSTREAM MEDIA done its job, even THEY would have had enough info to avoid this disaster.
luckjoe
May 31st, 2012
7:00 pm
John Edwards is trash.
josef
May 31st, 2012
7:01 pm
BOTH
The boy’s got issues!
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:01 pm
chuck
You want to blame any single person or entity for 2008. Look no further than GWB……….
He fooled people not once but twice, by the time 08 rolled around people had woke up to say the least. A strong Republican ticket would have probably lost.
Of course Romney is not Bush or McCain. I predict a close race with Obama winning, but I could be wrong.
It wont be that beat down that McCain and Palin were administered……. that is for sure
chuck
May 31st, 2012
7:02 pm
TBs, certainly the republican ticket did not help. I have to agree with you there, because McCain was a TERRIBLE candidate. THAT SAID, he still would have been a HUGE improvement over Obama, because those 2 years of congressional control by the dems would have at least had a check on them. Honestly, I would vote for almost ANYBODY other than Obama.
Martin Williams
May 31st, 2012
7:03 pm
Another WASTE of tax payers money. I should have studied law. How many millions did Ken Star and his buddies put in there pockets to prosecute Bill Clinton……..more than 60 million dollars of tax payers money and now you have the Tea Party idiots talk about cut spending.
josef
May 31st, 2012
7:04 pm
BOTH
I won’t go so far as to call him “great,” but he ain’t been half bad.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:04 pm
“I would vote for almost ANYBODY other than Obama.”
And you have your answer without me even posting. That is the exact sentiment many of the electorate had about any Republican for Pres in 08.
As for who would have been better. It is all speculation at this point…………
Peter
May 31st, 2012
7:05 pm
chuck.
The Republican President Bush..ran the US in the ground……now you are saying the GOP had all the answers…..sure and who is listening ?
You must be a Newt follower…….another economic genius…….to the point he would rip off the folks who work for him.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
7:06 pm
Chuck would you vote for Palin if she was running today ?
chuck
May 31st, 2012
7:06 pm
TBs, can you tell me how it could possibly have been WORSE?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 31st, 2012
7:06 pm
“It was enough to know that the country had dodged a bullet in not elevating him to the vice presidency or higher, and that his reputation was forever ruined.”
But we’ll always have Clinton.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:08 pm
josef
He has had some struggles that I think he as well as the Party brought on themselves. Of course, he has been fought the entire way.
Personally I give him a low C, high C is we are grading on a curve.
When looking at the economy on a domestic and international scale, I’m not sure that anyone was going to have us zooming.
This notion that just a few more tax cuts and less regulation would have consumer demand just roaring is pure poppycock and pabulum……..
Peter
May 31st, 2012
7:08 pm
chuck. McCain said he would have invaded Turkey….. That would have been worse.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:09 pm
chuck
I didn’t tell you it would have been worse. I said that you saying it would be better is pure speculation on your part.
Not the same thing.
chuck
May 31st, 2012
7:09 pm
Peter, I would vote for Palin if she was running…not because I think she is a genius but rather because SHE would not have a white house full of radical leftists advising her and steering her in the direction that Obama has gone.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
7:09 pm
Thank you for this statement………
When looking at the economy on a domestic and international scale, I’m not sure that anyone was going to have us zooming.
economists have said 10 plus years to get over the Bush years….did we not melt down into ALMOST DEPRESSION ?
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
7:09 pm
“The ruling is certainly founded in logic and reason. The court ruled that the federal government cannot confer benefits on those who were married under Georgia law or Kansas law and then deny benefits to those married under Massachusetts law, which allows gay couples to marry.”
- Jay, from previous column.
First, reason and logic are roughly synonymous – let’s get that redundancy out of the way first. Secondly, I think people like Jay aren’t really thinking the gay marriage thing through very clearly. If gay marriage is eventually ruled “constitutional” (whatever that means these days), then it is almost certain that polygamy will be as well. Once that happens, you can have an adult male marrying (with parental consent) several boys 13 or older in some states. Save for the age of consent laws and the necessity of marriage, you have just given NAMBLA members much of what they could hope for. Scalia is right on this matter: once you take morality out of the equation (as in gay relationships), then there can be virtually no logical end to what defines marriage.
What makes gay relationships now “acceptable” to many non-gays? I believe it is the argument that homosexuals cannot help being who they are – we shouldn’t discriminate against people for what they cannot help (their race, gender, age and the like). And the only legitimate way to argue that is to claim that gays are born that way. But, if you argue that, then you must concede that pedophiles (to name but one group of people given over to abnormal sexual relationships) are as well. If you think otherwise, let’s hear the rationale for claiming that gays and only gays are born with abnormal sexual “orientations”.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 31st, 2012
7:10 pm
Headline: “Parental Pride or Indecent Exposure: Photos of military women breastfeeding in uniform stirs controversy”
Well, the one on the left sure gives new meaning to the phrases “double-tap” and “double-time march !”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/31/parental-pride-or-indecent-exposure-photos-military-women-breastfeeding-in/?test=latestnews#ixzz1wUY1EIS9
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/31/parental-pride-or-indecent-exposure-photos-military-women-breastfeeding-in/?test=latestnews
Peter
May 31st, 2012
7:10 pm
Thanks chuck no further questions needed….. WOW !
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 31st, 2012
7:11 pm
I saw retry him again on the other charges and cost him at least another two or three million in attorney’s fees.
It’s the least that should be done.
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
7:12 pm
Bro, I KNEW ABOUT HIM BECAUSE I DID MY DUE DILIGENCE.
So, why are you sticking to the weak idea that the media was supposed to vet him? According to conservative rhetoric, the media is all liberal driven anyway, so why would you listen or trust them in the first place?
I swear, if people actually wrote the stuff down that gets peddled as truth, they would laugh at themselves for believing half of it when it was all read back to them.
Had the MAINSTREAM MEDIA done its job, even THEY would have had enough info to avoid this disaster.
Contrary to your logic and/or thought process, it is not the media’s job to vet candidates. That responsibility is up to the person casting the vote. What kind of nanny state do you think we live in where people don’t have to do their own research?
bman
May 31st, 2012
7:12 pm
“This notion that just a few more tax cuts and less regulation would have consumer demand just roaring is pure poppycock and pabulum……..
”
Wouldn’t this be considered speculation?
josef
May 31st, 2012
7:13 pm
TOWNCRIER
You’re so full of sh*t you waddle when you walk…
I’ll put my marriage and my morality up against yours any day of the week and twice on Sunday…
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
7:14 pm
“I’ll put my marriage and my morality up against yours any day of the week and twice on Sunday…”
“You’re so full of sh*t you waddle when you walk…”
With statements like this???
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:14 pm
Towncrier
Of course the US is not the same place as other countries, but why haven’t other countries who have legalized gay marriage not also went down the polygamy road?
Is there a major push for polygamy in the US?
It seems you are setting up your own “slippery slope” even though it is not based on fact but opinion.
With all that said, haven’t seen you on in awhile. Hope you and yours are doing well
chuck
May 31st, 2012
7:14 pm
Peter, the only economists saying that are Paul Krugman acolytes. Krugman is a fool and knows about as much about the economy as my dog. Additionally, ANY FOOL that thinks spending an additional 1.3 trillion dollars a year THAT WE DON’T HAVE is good for the economy should forever be banned from D.C.
Don Abernethy
May 31st, 2012
7:15 pm
We seem to be getting more and more dishonest politicians in this country. The sad part is that the voters keep on re-electing them. If Edwards was to run again for something as a Democrat I will bet he will get votes. NOBAMA
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:16 pm
josef
He can’t refute what you know and are living…….. He can only project his bias into the equation. His choice, but it will mostly be the tried and true “straw man”, “slipper slope” and “red herring”…………
Take a pick
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:18 pm
chuck
I’m not saying spending doesn’t need to slow down, because it does and I have said that numerous times on this blog.
With that said, what did Romney say about spending last week and his 1st year as President?
Let google, bing and yahoo be your friend if need be
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
7:18 pm
“We seem to be getting more and more dishonest politicians in this country.”
I take leave to doubt that. I think we’ve got as many now as we’ve ever had. We’re just finding it easier to find out about their dishonesty these days.
UltimateZevon
May 31st, 2012
7:18 pm
But Jay, his hair was perfect. And, at the end of the day, isn’t that all that matters?
Peter
May 31st, 2012
7:19 pm
Chuck voting for Palin is and was foolish…..Now complaining about Obama after BUSH is a JOKE !
3 Trillion on the Iraq war must have been good for you.
josef
May 31st, 2012
7:20 pm
TOWNCRIER
Yep. With statements like those.
BOTH
It’s folks like him that make me question the sapiens part of our species’ name…and I’m not so sure about the homo part in his case…
josef
May 31st, 2012
7:22 pm
Zevon
Ask Blagojevich! I think it’s a bald headed Republican conspiracy, myself!
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:22 pm
josef
To each his or her own, but I my spider senses start tingling when someone gets too “anti gay”…… One thing to say you are against it. It is another when someone beats a dead horse…….
Eddie Long anyone?
chuck
May 31st, 2012
7:22 pm
Bro, that’s a moronic statement. OF COURSE it is the job of a free press to vet political candidates. Why do you think we have a 1st amendment? The founders wanted to ensure that the press would not be pressured by government to be an extension of the dominant political party. The press certainly has no problem vetting REPUBLICAN candidates. Look at the 11 page story on Mitt Romney supposedly bullying some kid 40 years ago when he was in HS. Can you imagine a story like that on a dem candidate?
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
7:23 pm
A potential Darwin Award finalist…
MORGANTOWN, W.Va. – A West Virginia preacher who followed his father into the rare practice of handling snakes to prove faith in God died after being bitten during an outdoor service involving the reptiles.
Mark Randall M“ack” Wolford, 44 – whose own father died in 1983 after suffering a fatal bite – had been bitten before and survived. But he died earlier this week after witnesses say a timber rattler bit him on the thigh. Wolford’s sister and a freelance photographer told media outlets it happened during a Sunday service at Panther State Forest.
Lauren Pond, a freelance photojournalist from Washington, D.C., didn’t immediately return messages Thursday but told the Bluefield Daily Telegraph she was among 25 people at the service. She saw Wolford bitten but said congregants were unfazed.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:24 pm
chuck
You mean of the “bither” variety?
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
7:24 pm
I have to agree with you there, because McCain was a TERRIBLE candidate. THAT SAID, he still would have been a HUGE improvement over Obama, because those 2 years of congressional control by the dems would have at least had a check on them.
Hmmm….
#1 McCain showed he was incapable of multitasking when an emergency popped up. He suspended his campaign to return to DC when the meltdown hit full force.
By that token, had McCain been in office when Egypt, Libya, and Iran all went batsh*t crazy, what would he have done? He already talked about bombing Iran. He wanted to bomb Libya. Would he have gone for the hat trick and bombed all three????
#2 McCain’s choice for VP didn’t give many people much enthusiasm, beyond the GOP base, for voting for the GOP candidate. Add the fact that she didn’t step in and continue to campaign as one would expect for the #2 on the ticket, and people probably got the idea tha would be how things would operate under their administration.
I don’t think there’s any evidence to point that McCain would have been any different, for better or worse, than Obama other than speculation. One thing for sure, there would have been very little that the GOP could have proven that would support blaming the US economy on the opposition though.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:24 pm
“birther”
chuck
May 31st, 2012
7:25 pm
BTW Bro, do you really think it is the job of EVERY VOTER to do an independent investigation on EVERY CANDIDATE they vote for? Why I’m going to go hire an army of private investigators to do that. GREAT IDEA.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
7:25 pm
“Of course the US is not the same place as other countries, but why haven’t other countries who have legalized gay marriage not also went down the polygamy road?”
I have read that Canada has unenforced polygamy laws – I guess like sodomy laws were here.
“Is there a major push for polygamy in the US?”
That is immaterial (unless you want to say that the SCOTUS is nothing more than a windmill). Logically, once you start broadening the historic and tacitly understood and definition of marriage beyond a man and a woman, then why would not polygamy be constitutional? Laws against it did not exist in the US until the mid 10th century, it is practiced today in a number of cultures and there is plenty of historical precedent for it. I mean, it not something I just though up!
“It seems you are setting up your own “slippery slope” even though it is not based on fact but opinion.”
Gay marriage was, in fact, unthinkable by most everyone 50 years ago. Are you wanting to claim that you are able to better see into the future than your grandfather? I really don’t understand why people deflect away from arguments with phrases like “slippery slope” without LOGICALLY countering them.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
7:25 pm
Look at the 11 page story on Mitt Romney supposedly bullying some kid 40 years ago when he was in HS. Can you imagine a story like that on a dem candidate?
Did he do it or not Chuck ? I never heard about the story.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
7:27 pm
“Yep. With statements like those. …”
Well, apart from your valuations of each or our moral standing, why don’t you address the argument logically (if you can)?
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
7:27 pm
Scout @ 7:10
Thanks for making me waste tea all over my clothes. I’ll never fire another double tap drill again without that sitting in the back of my head. If my qual scores drop, I’m holding you responsible.
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
7:28 pm
Look at the 11 page story on Mitt Romney supposedly bullying some kid 40 years ago when he was in HS.
chuck fails to mention that those eleven pages were spread out over 88 newspapers!
Peter
May 31st, 2012
7:30 pm
Towncrier . Are all men and woman born equal in the US ?
Normal Free, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
May 31st, 2012
7:31 pm
Gawd! You can’t even get a Liberal convicted in North Carolina! Gotta love our justice system!
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
7:32 pm
OF COURSE it is the job of a free press to vet political candidates. Why do you think we have a 1st amendment? The founders wanted to ensure that the press would not be pressured by government to be an extension of the dominant political party.
Nah, bro. THAT was a moronic statement, and it reeks of nannyism. The press is there to report the news, whether good or bad, without fear of being controlled by the government as a propaganda tool. The press does not have a responsibility to vet anything beyond the accuracy of what they are reporting on.
The vetting of a candidate is the responsibility of the individual voter. What you’re suggesting is that the individual voter is too dumb to investigate the candidates to see whom they choose to vote for based on their own ideals and priorities. I can’t square myself to see how you would even suggest as much when you said that you did your own research no more than 30 minutes ago.
chuck
May 31st, 2012
7:32 pm
No Jam, that was 11 pages in the WaPo.
Normal Free, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
May 31st, 2012
7:33 pm
Scout @ 1910…
Wow! A couple of B-40s…
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
7:33 pm
McCain was a terrible candidate?
That begs the question, why do you keep nominating them???
Mitt makes three fake conservatives in a row.
What gives?
And what became of all of those supposed young rising stars in the GOP?
Did they all get lost on the Appalachian Trail?
LOL…
chuck
May 31st, 2012
7:34 pm
Peter, the story is that a group of kids including Romney held a boy down and cut his hair. The kicker is, it turns out that the kid LATER, revealed that he was OMG, GAY!
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
7:34 pm
11 pages in the WaPo???
Link, please…
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:34 pm
“That is immaterial ”
Keep slipping down your own slippery slope. Once this gets to the SC, you do NOT know how each side will have their arguments worded, what actual state law they will be deciding on or if it will be multiple states, so again……………..
You want to put up a “slippery slope” so bad you cant stand it.
Normal Free, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
May 31st, 2012
7:35 pm
“What you’re suggesting is that the individual voter is too dumb to investigate the candidates…”
And that’s why we all watch Fox News!
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
7:35 pm
Bro, do you really think it is the job of EVERY VOTER to do an independent investigation on EVERY CANDIDATE they vote for?
Yes. There is this thing called GOOGLE that really helps people do those type of things. You did your research, so why shouldn’t everybody else? Did you hire private investigators in 2008 to perform your “due dilligence” or did you do it yourself?
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
7:35 pm
“Towncrier . Are all men and woman born equal in the US ?”
From the DOI: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal…” It is a premise embedded in this document and implicitly in the Constitution. In reality, people are born equal in some respects and unequal in others.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
7:35 pm
And what became of all of those supposed young rising stars in the GOP?
Fear…….
Larry
May 31st, 2012
7:35 pm
Jay-There is a story here that you might be interested in following. Without deliberating on Edwards’ guilt or innocence or has lack of moral compass, the latter being certainly established, I offer the following. The Bush appointed Republican US Attorney George Holding stayed over after the Obama election with the sole purpose of “getting” John Edwards. Holding comes from a North Carolina family that owns First Citizens Bank which has expanded from its small town (Smithfield, NC) roots to a strong presence in the Southeast. Not sure what started the acrimony. Perhaps Edwards in his heyday got a large judgment against the family bank. Whatever, Holding talked the Obama adminsitration into allowing him to stay on as US Attorney (Unusual generally viewed as a patronage job). One day before leaving the job, Holding secured the indictment of Edwards on 6 counts. The next day after leaving office, Holding announced that he was running from Congress with the Edwards indictment prominent in his CV. The Obama Justice Department, concerned about favoring fellow Democrats, allowed the indictments to stand. I am not suggesting that this another Ted Stevens incident, but it sure does look like another ill intended Justice Department activity. Just saying.
chuck
May 31st, 2012
7:36 pm
Bro, just how do you propose that a voter do that without a free press publishing that information? You should NEVER speak about LOGIC again.
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
7:37 pm
NORMAL!!!!!
That is soooooo wrong….. Stop picking on the Fox viewers.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
7:37 pm
So folks in America are not all born equally….. and do not have the same rights you are stating Towncrier………… despite what the DOI says ?
Normal Free, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
May 31st, 2012
7:37 pm
I got lost on the Appalachian Trail once…made me want to slash Medicare…
I want my wealth redistribution check
May 31st, 2012
7:38 pm
I can’t believe Jay would slam a man who is an advocate for the poor, Edwards is right, there are only two classes in America, the very rich and the poor! Edwards fought for the little guy, he’s my hero!
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:39 pm
“without LOGICALLY countering them.”
You want logic from your unfounded “slippery slope”?
WOW….. amazing
You need to bring more facts to the table then polygamy, which isn’t even the issue or I will have to say take it easy……..
Maybe someone else will play in your fantasy island game of veiled “bigotry”…………….
peace
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
7:39 pm
chuck
Do you not realize the press is much larger than newspapers? If I have to sit here and explain this to you, you should not THINK of the word logic. I would even suggest you cut back on thinking, which is probably not going to be too hard to accomplish.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
7:39 pm
In reality, people are born equal in some respects and unequal in others….
How are folks born unequal ? What respects ?
chuck
May 31st, 2012
7:41 pm
NO, I didn’t HAVE to do that in 2008 because SOME media outlets actually did their jobs, The problem is that the DOMINANT media outlets DID NOT, and unfortunately, that is where the unwashed masses get most of their information, There is also no suggestion of nannyism here. I am not saying that the GOVERNMENT should force them to do it. I aAM HOWEVER SAYING THAT WE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD DEMAND THAT.
Normal Free, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
May 31st, 2012
7:41 pm
“How are folks born unequal ? What respects ?”
Oh Peter, you know…Non white, less than $250,000 a year households…
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
7:42 pm
” In reality, people are born equal in some respects and unequal in others.”
But it doesn’t say BORN equal, it says CREATED equal. They are not interchangeable terms.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
7:43 pm
“You want to put up a “slippery slope” so bad you cant stand it.”
Fail. There are no LOGICAL grounds for denying people the RIGHT to marry several people (for the reasons I gave in my other post). Now, prove me wrong by some other means than an emotional dismissal (which doesn’t refute the logic of my argument). If the SCOTUS decides otherwise, it will not be on LOGICAL grounds (as when they ruled segregation “constitutional” in 1896). You cannot reach two diametrically opposed positions at different times and claim they were logical and right. Now if that is what you are claiming, you MUST concede that is is quite possible that in the future what is now inconceivable to you may in fact happen (like gay marriage).
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
7:43 pm
chuck
Answer thess question for me, how did you accomplish your due dilligence on Obama in 2008? What info did you find that made you come to the decision that he would be a “disaster”? Where did you find this information? Who did you pay to find it for you? If you were able to obtain that information on your own without the media vetting him, as you insinuated earlier, what obstacle was there that kept anybody else from doing the same exact thing?
bman
May 31st, 2012
7:44 pm
Employment numbers in the morning. 3+ years later, will they be good? Some “experts” say they will be better. Some disagree.
Brace yourself for ” the financial crisis was much worse that we had imagined. We’re making progress” of course, he wont forget to mention Bush…
josef
May 31st, 2012
7:44 pm
BOTH/TOWNCRIER
Logic? Gevalt! I’m surprised the word is even in the shmuk’s vocabulary, much less any comprehension of what it means…
And BOTH
I’m in agreement with you on the obsession…root and cause…
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
7:44 pm
“But it doesn’t say BORN equal, it says CREATED equal. They are not interchangeable terms.”
And your point would be? Why don’t you spell out the distinction in practical terms then?
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
7:45 pm
“Logic? Gevalt! I’m surprised the word is even in the shmuk’s vocabulary, much less any comprehension of what it means…”
Fail – an ad hominen attack. I’m waiting….
Peter
May 31st, 2012
7:45 pm
If all are created equal then…..why don’t all have the same right to marry, and whom they choose ?
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
7:46 pm
I didn’t HAVE to do that in 2008 because SOME media outlets actually did their jobs,
Why are you whining about the media not vetting him then? Have you not realized that not all media outlets report the same exact stories unless it’s something very serious?
And your statement is nannyism in it’s purest form. You’re saying that people are incapable of doing their own research on who they want to vote for, and they must have the media to report it to them. Informational welfare is what you’re suggesting.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 31st, 2012
7:46 pm
Brosephus:
“Thanks for making me waste tea all over my clothes. I’ll never fire another double tap drill again without that sitting in the back of my head. If my qual scores drop, I’m holding you responsible. ”
………………………………..
chuck
May 31st, 2012
7:46 pm
You are right Bro, WOW, I am shocked that you are aware of all of these “other” sources of information. ANY IDIOT, having read my posts on the topic would actually be able to infer that from what I wrote. Where does that leave you?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:46 pm
“The problem is that the DOMINANT media outlets DID NOT, and unfortunately, that is where the unwashed masses get most of their information, ”
hahahah
Oh yeah, no one knew or had access to Obama’s voting record as a state and US senator….
No one knew that there were clowns (including Hillary I believe) who brought up his place of birth
No one knew that he went to a Madrases when he was 6 ( that was such a scandel, especially since 6 yrs pick were they go to school all the time)
No one knew about Wright, Ayers, etc.
No one knew
No the facts are, the outlets you listen to, told you, as they are doing today that no one knew……. when in fact that is BS
Face it Chuck…… 8 yrs off Bush and a McCain/Palin ticket was not a winner for those who wanted another Repub Pres.
Once you get over those facts and move on, you are going to feel like a champ……. I promise
josef
May 31st, 2012
7:47 pm
BTW
Has anybody else had any site connection problems with AJC…?
Peter
May 31st, 2012
7:47 pm
Normal Free, Human Rights Thug…And liking it!……..YUP that will do it every time !
chuck
May 31st, 2012
7:48 pm
Read my 7:41 word for word. Good grief!
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:48 pm
josef
I think it is more than just his two legs that he walks with that tingle when the issue is brought up
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 31st, 2012
7:48 pm
Normal Free, Human Rights Thug…And liking it!:
“Wow!A couple of B-40s… ”
Suck it up soldier !
josef
May 31st, 2012
7:49 pm
TOWNCRIER
Ad hominem? Don’t you have to be homo for that?
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
7:51 pm
“Why don’t you spell out the distinction in practical terms then?”
Well, one way to think of it is the moment of conception as the moment of creation. At that point, creation is equal…development leading to birth is not.
josef
May 31st, 2012
7:51 pm
BOTH
He walks on two legs? Are you sure. I want evidence.
chuck
May 31st, 2012
7:52 pm
TBs, I would also add that the addition of young voters who were attracted to Obama because he was “pretty”, articulate and Black may have had something to do with it. It’s not a bad thing per se that these numbers increased, however, ELECTIONS are better left in the hands of GROWNUPS.
Normal Free, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
May 31st, 2012
7:53 pm
Scout,
That’s “suck it up Sailor…and with those RPG’s, I can only say…”Aye, aye, sir!”
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:53 pm
TC
Keep flailing…………….. behind your veiled “bigotry”……..
It is ok man. Doesn’t make you the worst person in the world or on this blog. Better to know who and what I am dealing with than not knowing
You can even bring up those stories about the men from your church if you like………….. I have read your posts on this issue and even interacted with you in the past.
you write so well, however in the end……. You are what you are…….
Peter
May 31st, 2012
7:54 pm
chuck.. Please you would vote yet again for Palin…that is NOT a grown up or responsible decision.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
7:54 pm
“ELECTIONS are better left in the hands of GROWNUPS.”
Exactly, that is why the moderates and independents told McCain to take a hike after he picked Palin
Glad we are on the same page
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
7:56 pm
“I think it is more than just his two legs that he walks with that tingle when the issue is brought up.”
How dense can you be? It is a moral issue on which we disagree. There is no animus towards homosexuals per se. Homosexuality is wrong in my eyes, but no worse than many other wrongs (like adultery or theft). I am simply against gay marriage and gay adoption. Period. I am likewise against polygamy. So what if I am? Do I not have a right to hold and voice my beliefs and to argue for them? Or do you want to “silence” me (rather than just debate me). Who really is really the one practicing bigotry?
chuck
May 31st, 2012
7:57 pm
Sorry peter, but if she was the only choice running against Obama, YES, I would vote for her. As I said, my vote would be for the supporting cast more than for her, but I would definitely cast that ballot. The fact that you would vote for Obama AGAIN tells me everything I need to know about you.
Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)
May 31st, 2012
7:57 pm
“Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country”? We “I’s: will decide the election!!! Bye, bye Barrack Hussein Obama!
Casey Kasem
May 31st, 2012
7:59 pm
Good evening everyone. This is Casey Kasem coming to you with a long distance dedication to one “Towncrier”………..
For all you do, especially those things that we will never know about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD_DyoB4Cjs
Let it out man. Confession will only free you to be the best man you can be.
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
May 31st, 2012
8:00 pm
Back to a much earlier post: I just have to say this to ‘Julia.’ It truly sickens & saddens me that you have the same name as my beautiful 1/4 Asian granddaughter.
Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)
May 31st, 2012
8:00 pm
Just to be fair and balanced, hello Willard Mitt Romney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
josef
May 31st, 2012
8:03 pm
CASEY
BOTH
I don’t hate Knee-grows, I just think they ought to stay at their end of the counter…
G-MARE
Did you get the I sent you a few floors down?
Recon 0311 2533
May 31st, 2012
8:03 pm
The Obummer’s lost North Carolina and looks like he’s very likely losing Wisconsin. Peel off Florida along with Ohio and it’s Sayonara.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
8:04 pm
TC
No one has attempted to silence you. You are only a victim if you want to be a victim.
You came to the table with a “slipper slope”: gay marriage will lead to polygamy BS. Mind you, you have yet to produce any factual data to back up your assertion, but I already knew you couldn’t. So it is ok.
Outside of being called out for it, be my guest. Keep slipping if you like.
Your last post saying you are against homosexuality, gay marriage, etc is much better than that polygamy crap you brought into the debate.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
8:05 pm
“Ad hominem? Don’t you have to be homo for that?”
You are apparently out of bullets, josef. And I am fast losing respect for you because you are being childish. I have never disliked you or thought ill of you in my heart because of your homosexuality. I think it’s wrong, but I don’t hate you for it at all. That is your choice. But to impose your choice on me is too much. Gay marriage is at best a state rights issue – not a federal one. That is my beef. I can accept – though I don’t condone it – gay marriage at the state level. But I don’t want that acceptance forced upon me at the federal level. I can always move out of a state to another more in agreement with my views. To rubber stamp this at the federal level is a tyranny of the minority (whose “rights” – or should I say wants – can be “protected” at the state level).
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
8:05 pm
“slippery slope”
That was 3 times I think………
wet wiccan
May 31st, 2012
8:06 pm
Towncrier -
Did you see this story last week? A 40 year old man, father of 6, had an MRI for a kidney stone. They discovered he also had female sex organs.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149389/Man-goes-hospital-kidney-stone–discovers-hes-woman.html
Factory defect?
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
8:06 pm
Casey, though every single one of those first seven Steely Dan albums were monsters, for me, that debut LP is still the sweetest…
One more for TC…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTt-URVOYos
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
8:07 pm
“That is your choice. But to impose your choice on me is too much.”
A gay person getting married imposes on you?
Wow
How so?
chuck
May 31st, 2012
8:07 pm
TBs, just so you know, there are 188 articles in the past couple of years in the NYT on poygamy. Just sayin’
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
May 31st, 2012
8:07 pm
Josef, I will be chuckling about your neighbor’s a$$ for a long time to come – uh, a long…. Oh, never mind.
Peter
May 31st, 2012
8:07 pm
OK chuck. you would vote for a quitter, and I would vote for a guy who would try to straighten out the Bush mess.
By the way he is protecting America better then any Republican has…….He had the balls to get Bin Laden…something the Republican’s FAILED TO DO.
You would vote for a weak person who quit amongst a few issues, and someone who could barely run a slightly populated state that got the most PORK per person in the entire country…. What was it ……$15k of pork per citizen of Alaska…..
You must be a pork loving guy……. not fiscally responsible, but hey you are that guy.
Please the young kids are way more up on all then you think.
You must be like that guy Kyle who writes the GOP blog and states this today……..
The promise to end the 400 toll once the bonds were paid off was just that: a promise by politicians, the kind of pledge that is — or should be assumed to be — made to be broken.
“Mission Accomplished” Dude !
Casey Kasem
May 31st, 2012
8:09 pm
Jamvet
Thanks for the great and most applicable Steely Dan
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
8:10 pm
chuck
And they all have to do with the lack of the right for gays to marry
Just sayn
josef
May 31st, 2012
8:11 pm
TOWNCRIER
You named the weapon, I just accepted the duel…
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
8:13 pm
josef
I think you are “imposing”……
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
8:14 pm
“A 40 year old man, father of 6, had an MRI for a kidney stone. They discovered he also had female sex organs”
It’s rare, but not unheard of. I have a cousin who’s daughter was found to be hermaphroditic. She had testes as well as ovaries, but her ovaries were functional and the testes were not…so they were removed.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 31st, 2012
8:14 pm
test test test
test test test
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
8:14 pm
ANY IDIOT, having read my posts on the topic would actually be able to infer that from what I wrote. Where does that leave you?
That leaves me in front of my computer wondering why I’m even engaged in a discussion with an idiot. Any idiot would be able to articulate their points without someone else having to infer them. Have you had to infer anything I’ve posted? Nope. I’ve been pretty explicit in what I think/say/know.
I knew about Obama’s Indonesia adventures and such because there were two books out that he wrote/co-authored that basically gave a blueprint to how he acted and thought. He sat in the state house in Illinois, so there was a voting record there. He sat in DC in the Senate chambers, so he had a record there. So, you can save the media vetting crap for those who frequent Free Republic, Red State, and other Conservative media outlets that will co-sign that BS with you.
As I stated earlier, any lack of MEDIA stories is not the fault of the media. If the GOP opposition research had done THEIR due dilligence, everything that was reported by SOME MEDIA outlets would have easily been broadcast by all of them if it were really newsworthy.
josef
May 31st, 2012
8:14 pm
GMARE
I sent you this one when you were talking about making Romney prove he isn’t a unicorn…
Oh, and Unmentionable says not to call y’all the Old Ladies club…he says y’all are the Grand Old Dames…he likes the acronym…
Anyway, Mormons, Grand Old Dames and unicorns…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QarofaycN3c
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
8:14 pm
“Mind you, you have yet to produce any factual data to back up your assertion, but I already knew you couldn’t.”
I said earlier that “Laws against [polygamy] did not exist in the US until the mid 10th century, it is practiced today in a number of cultures and there is plenty of historical precedent for it.” I also said that polygamy laws are no being enforced in Canada and that a suit is in being pressed against laws prohibiting polygamous relationships in Utah: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/12/us/12polygamy.html
Now, do you have something to say besides “slippery slope”?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
8:14 pm
Midnight Cruiser, uh?
hahahahaha
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
May 31st, 2012
8:15 pm
Re John Edwards: yeah, he is a scumbag in the first degree, but he is still easy on the eyes. That is not to say that I would ever vote for him, even for dog catcher, but…. I guess what I am not communicating too well here is that Edwards is in the same camp with Mel Gibson – easy on the eyes but rotten and disgusting at the core.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 31st, 2012
8:16 pm
MILITARY LANGUAGE CONVERSION CHART
NAVY/USMC ARMY AIR FORCE
Head Latrine Powder Room
Rack Bunk Single with Ruffle
Rifle Gun What ?
Mud Cup of Joe Vanilla Skim Latte’
Utilities BDU’s Casual Wear
Sailor/Marine Soldier Bobby/Jimmy
Captain/Skipper Colonel Bob/Jim
Captain’s Mast Article 15 “Time Out”
Berthing Barracks Apartment
Skivies Underwear “Undies”
Brig Stockade “Grounded”
Cover/Head Gear Beret Optional
Cruise/Afloat Deployment “HUH?”
Low Quarters Shoes Pumps
SEAL/Recon Ranger/Delta Airdale
Ooo Rah! Hoo-ah! Hip-Hip Hooray!
C-Rats MRE’s Happy Meals
Salute “Ranger’s Lead the Way” Wave
Obstacle Course Confidence Course Class VI Parking Lot
Boot Camp Basic Training Camp
Maneuvers Field Training Jamboree
Sir Yes Sir ! Yes Sir ! O.K. Dude !
Hooch Tent 2 BR, 1BA, Pool
Jeep Humvee Hummer 3
High & Tight Crew Cut Pompadour
Field Radio Commo Cell Phone
Pogey Bait Snack Bar Chuck-E-Cheese
Fighting Hole Foxhole 18th Hole
josef
May 31st, 2012
8:16 pm
And CRIER…
The real difference between me and you is that I’m happy and you’re not. You take yourself too seriously, and I don’t…
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
8:17 pm
“until the mid 10th century,”
19th century?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 31st, 2012
8:17 pm
Sorry, I did a “test” but the spaces are missing above ………. but you can still figure it out …………
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
8:17 pm
“Did you see this story last week? A 40 year old man, father of 6, had an MRI for a kidney stone. They discovered he also had female sex organs.”
I saw that and did research on the subject. It is very rare and there are no documented cases of both organs being operative. Genetic mutation that doesn’t really have any bearing on my views.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
8:18 pm
TC
That article has what to do with gay marriage and it leading to polygamy?
yes you continue down that “slope”
Do you have the factual data that says gay marriage leads to the other?
Canada not enforcing polygamy has exactly what to do with gay marriage?
Come on dude………. You can do better than this, right?
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
8:18 pm
“19th century?”
Yes, lol. I never claimed I was a good typist and since we can’t edit what we post…
Recon 0311 2533
May 31st, 2012
8:19 pm
Towncrier@8:05,
Therein lies the problem. The homosexual community wants their sexual lifestyle to be considered normal. It’s not normal, however, the left uses this as an issue to garner another voting block. Homosexuals are a small voting block by themselves but the left gets a multiplier by enlisting their sympathizers and creating a cause. The left uses a cause mentality to expand its otherwise narrow message. The majority of Americans do not want their children brain washed into believing that homosexuality is a normal lifestyle that should be socially acceptable.
chuck
May 31st, 2012
8:21 pm
Broron, opposition research that goes UNREPORTED, by the mainstream media BECAUSE THEY ARE SHILLING FOR OBAMA doesn’t do much in the way of informing the public. Not to mention the fact that the PRESS IS SUPPOSED TO BE UNBIASED. Opposition research is by definition, BIASED. I guess that’s all I can expect from someone who gets all of their news from moveon.org.
Get a clue dufus.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
8:23 pm
“It’s not normal”
Defined by whom? Your God?
Homosexual activity takes place in good ole mother nature, not just with humans. But you knew that already, so just sayn
There are so many veils on tonight, one would think we are at a Moroccan restaurant and about to see some belly dancers. I just don’t want to see the bellies of the ones with veils on at this location
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
8:24 pm
“The homosexual community wants their sexual lifestyle to be considered normal”
got proof of that? Marriage has little to nothing to do with sexual lifestyle…whether homosexual or heterosexual.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
8:24 pm
“That article has what to do with gay marriage and it leading to polygamy?Come on dude…You can do better than this, right?”
Huh? I guess not for you. You just aren’t getting it. My argument is that the acceptance of gay marriage can logically lead to the acceptance of polygamy. Why not? Instead of deflecting in every one of you posts, why don’t you for ONCE present a logical argument why it won’t do so. I know the arguments liberals have made and you seem unaware of any of them. Tell you what…when you man up and can present a reasoned response, let me know. Until then, speak to the hand.
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
8:26 pm
“My argument is that the acceptance of gay marriage can logically lead to the acceptance of polygamy. ”
Why should it? The two have nothing to do with each other.
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
May 31st, 2012
8:27 pm
Josef, I probably did, but please send it again. I am OLD ya know. (Not to mention that “I drinks a bit.”)
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
8:27 pm
TC
Already told you……. You have nothing accept your opinion. That is fine but it isn’t evidence.
What country that has legalized gay marriage has then accepted polygamy derived from the gay marriage ruling?
Should be a quick google for you
You made the assertion and you can’t back it up. that is not on me…….
chuck
May 31st, 2012
8:27 pm
Recon, an interesting fact to me is that consistently, polls show a majority of Americans (59% or so) don’t have a problem with gay marriage, but in ALL 38 states where it has gone on the ballot, it has been voted down. Do you think that the social pressure to conform to leftist ideals is intense? In a public “poll” people say one thing, but in a secret ballot, they do the opposite. Either that, or they only poll people in NY and Cali.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
8:28 pm
“Therein lies the problem. The homosexual community wants their sexual lifestyle to be considered normal. It’s not normal, however, the left uses this as an issue to garner another voting block. Homosexuals are a small voting block by themselves but the left gets a multiplier by enlisting their sympathizers and creating a cause. The left uses a cause mentality to expand its otherwise narrow message. The majority of Americans do not want their children brain washed into believing that homosexuality is a normal lifestyle that should be socially acceptable.”
I agree for the most part Recon. Take a look up at page 4 or 5 to see my original post. These guys seem to think “we want to redefine marriage in this way to accommodate us, but the heck with anyone else who might also desire an unconventional marriage (such as a polygamist).” And on what grounds? Moral? Logical? I waiting to hear…
Soothsayer
May 31st, 2012
8:29 pm
I want my lack of sexual lifestyle to be considered normal.
josef
May 31st, 2012
8:29 pm
BOTH
I think I know what it is they’re really worried about. They’re afraid that piece they knocked off in secret will come into court and say “He promised me marriage…” Breach of contract, I think it’s called…
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
8:30 pm
And to all a good night
Not too much gay bashing……. Some of you will be hitting yourself square on the head
peace
Recon 0311 2533
May 31st, 2012
8:31 pm
chuck, the only polls that mean anything are the ones where citizens go and vote. As you correctly pointed out when homosexual same sex marriage is up for a vote the majority in this country says no.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
8:31 pm
josef
have a great night……. As always, on this issue, you know I have your back. 1000%…. yes 1000
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
8:31 pm
“What country that has legalized gay marriage has then accepted polygamy derived from the gay marriage ruling?”
In what country was gay marriage legal 100 years ago. Should be a quick Google search. I await your answer. Then tell me how YOU know that polygamy will not also become legal in the US in the future.
Soothsayer
May 31st, 2012
8:34 pm
Jay, if you’re out there listening, can we have some climate change or contraceptives or FairTax? Heck, even something about Catholics. Anything other than this dreadful subject.
And, can we have a week off from gay marriage?
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
8:35 pm
“Why should it? The two have nothing to do with each other.”
Um….they both represent departures from the traditional (implied) “definition” of marriage. Make gay marriage legal is a HUGE departure from historical and moral norms in this country. Once you have redefined marriage once, it is a lot easier to do it the next time. I guess you don’t get that…
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
8:35 pm
“In what country was gay marriage legal 100 years ago”
Couldn’t find a country that has gone from gay marriage to polygamy, huh?
Recon 0311 2533
May 31st, 2012
8:36 pm
If polygamists and those who practice other perverted lifestyles like beastality ever represent a viable voting block you can be certain the left will champion their cause.
josef
May 31st, 2012
8:37 pm
GMARE
Scroll up here to 8:14
BOTH
You’ve got my what?
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
8:37 pm
Broron, opposition research that goes UNREPORTED, by the mainstream media BECAUSE THEY ARE SHILLING FOR OBAMA doesn’t do much in the way of informing the public.
Namecalling… First sign that you’ve lost the debate. However, I’ll continue to spar with you just because I feel like having a bit of fun tonight….
The GOP has their own media outlets that have more effect on the national dialogue than all the “liberal” media combined. I guess you forget how quickly the national dialogue shifted from “Jobs, jobs, jobs” to “we’re drowning in debt” in 2010-2011. That was not because of some Democratic push, that was all GOP.
The whole myth of media bias is nothing but a ploy for conservatives to gain more tv and radio time to push their agenda. The fact that one can separate conservative media outlets from “mainstream media” while claiming the highest ratings should be a clue to someone with common sense that something’s amiss. However, those who feed on rhetoric can’t make the connection.
Not to mention the fact that the PRESS IS SUPPOSED TO BE UNBIASED.
And where did you get that little nugget from? The Press is supposed to report. You can’t even post here without bias, so why would you expect anybody else to write or report something without bias? There is bias everywhere, and it’s not going away. When you rely on opinionators to give you your “news”, you end up thinking just as you do. Opposition research is indeed bias, so I’m glad that you have at least one working brain cell. That said, if it’s newsworthy, whether it’s biased or not, it will get reported.
Funny you resort to the moveon.org comment. I guess that one brain cell has narcoleptic and fell asleep on you right at a very key moment. I won’t lower myself to your level and call you a name. I do have a level of self-esteem.
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
8:38 pm
My argument is that the acceptance of gay marriage can logically lead to the acceptance of polygamy.
Logically?
It is pure sociological nonsense. That would be laughed out of any and every scientific study.
Along that line, sometimes a couple of ex-marine here tries to equate homosexuality with incest or pedophilia, which is also an completely insane proposition.
They read like some sort of sophist and demented Sexual Domino Theories…
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
8:38 pm
“Um….they both represent departures from the traditional (implied) “definition” of marriage.”
Traditional where? Polygamy is VASTLY older than “traditional” marriage. I refer you to the Bible for proof of that.
josef
May 31st, 2012
8:39 pm
SOOTH
@ 8:29
From the sounds of some here ’bouts, I think it probably IS normal…
Soothsayer
May 31st, 2012
8:39 pm
George W. Bush and his lover Republican Senator Larry Craig emerge triumphantly after a successful tryst in a Congressional bathroom stall. Hey! Don’t ask me. I just report ‘em.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
8:41 pm
Lets legalize polygamy too
josef
May 31st, 2012
8:42 pm
ZamVet
Kinda interesting to hear the “serial monogamists” talking about homosexuality leading to polygamy…
What was that Imam said about the Get Out of Leviticus Free Card…best one liner I have ev-uh heard for it…
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
8:43 pm
““In what country was gay marriage legal 100 years ago”
“Couldn’t find a country that has gone from gay marriage to polygamy, huh?”
Let’s trace through your lack of reasoning here. Gay marriage was not legal anywhere I know 100 years ago. If you had made the claim that gay marriage would never be legalized back then (because there was no country that had allowed it), how right would you have been? But now, you want to claim that because it hasn’t happened yet, it won’t. Do you respect the lessons history might teach us?
josef
May 31st, 2012
8:43 pm
AmVet
Oh, yes, zayinIM alert tonight…
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
8:44 pm
“Traditional where? Polygamy is VASTLY older than “traditional” marriage. I refer you to the Bible for proof of that.”
Not in the US (unless you are speaking of before the mid 19th century). Is there another country that matters to you in this debate?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
8:45 pm
If gender doesn’t matter, why does the number matter?
If gender doesn’t matter, why does species matter?
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
8:45 pm
“But now, you want to claim that because it hasn’t happened yet, it won’t. Do you respect the lessons history might teach us?”
But I didn’t say polygamy would never be legalized. I said it has nothing to do with gay marriage. In fact, I think it’s quite likely that it WILL be recognized someday…whether gay marriage is nor not.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
8:46 pm
“It is pure sociological nonsense. That would be laughed out of any and every scientific study.”
So says you? Refute me, PLEASE!!!
josef
May 31st, 2012
8:47 pm
Where was homosexual marriage legal 100 years ago? Not sure, but a couple of hundred years ago it was legal in the Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Seminole, and oh, yes, even them bad a33 miltarists, the Chickasaw nations…of course, they’ve since become “civilized…”
And, know what, machismos, they advised the women when to send the men off to the warpath…
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
8:47 pm
“Not in the US (unless you are speaking of before the mid 19th century). Is there another country that matters to you in this debate?”
You were the one that invoked “traditional” marriage. Polygamy IS a “traditional” marriage form. It does, in fact, exist here – even though it’s not legal. Ever watched “Sister Wives”? That’s on TV, in case you didn’t know.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
8:48 pm
TC
You made an assertion……….. Back it up.
When you back up with FACT your original post then we will play
Otherwise, try your bigoted @ss weak arguments with someone else
You are playing the games that pundits play……… Well I don’t play them. Can’t answer an assertion so twist the argument to the person who made the challenge.
Pretty simplistic and I know you are smarter than that to think I was going to fall for it
You are also welcome to bring up the guys from your church who were “healed” or whatever it is you said occurred with them in terms of them going “straight”
hahahahahaa
And know I say my good night to all…….. for real this time
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
8:49 pm
“But I didn’t say polygamy would never be legalized. I said it has nothing to do with gay marriage. In fact, I think it’s quite likely that it WILL be recognized someday…whether gay marriage is nor not.”
Well, then, you are on a different page then all the others arguing with me. I disagree that is has nothing to do gay marriage, since precedent is a weighty factor in US legal decisions.
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
8:49 pm
“If gender doesn’t matter, why does species matter?”
What part of CONSENTING ADULTS don’t you understand?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
8:49 pm
Saudi Arabia is ahead of and more liberal than America
They allow polygamy
josef
May 31st, 2012
8:50 pm
The Bible, eh…how can I resist posting this one again…
*************
Why Can’t I Own a Canadian?
October 2002
Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It’s funny, as well as informative:
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? – Lev.24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted fan,
Jim
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
8:50 pm
“and now”, but I do know………… Nite
Come back more often TC……… It has been fun
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
8:51 pm
“I disagree that is has nothing to do gay marriage, since precedent is a weighty factor in US legal decisions”
Then show how they are related? HOW will gay marriage lead directly to polygamy?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
8:51 pm
Even liberal polygamy tolerating Saudi Arabia doesn’t allow gay marriage
Go figure
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
8:51 pm
TC, your made up illogical “argument’ is just that.
Of course, I’ll refute you.
Point me to the credible scientific studies, anywhere, at any time, that confirm, corroborate, bolster or even remotely broach your “argument” that that the acceptance of gay marriage can lead to the acceptance of polygamy.
You seem so c0cksure (LOL) of your “argument” that there must be dozens of them, right?
OK, how about one?
Take your time,..
Recon 0311 2533
May 31st, 2012
8:52 pm
Even though countless lives have been lost and billions of dollars spent on homosexual behavior that’s spread aid’s, hepatitis C and other STD’s we can’t place blame on homosexuals. The blame must be placed on left wing politics that champions and enables their behavior solely for political gain.
Love T.K.O.
May 31st, 2012
8:53 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgSo27rUIik&feature=relmfu
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
8:54 pm
“Even liberal polygamy tolerating Saudi Arabia doesn’t allow gay marriage
Go figure”
So gay marriage will lead to polygamy, but polygamy cannot lead to gay marriage?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
8:54 pm
well I guess I was up for one more post
Me thinks someone needs to put the bottle down
Their Jesus would not be a pleased man…………………
Now I am 3 and out for sure
give them hell Jam
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
8:55 pm
Why do we have prudish clothing indecency laws
In Europe you can go to naked beaches
The US is F’d up
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
8:55 pm
You were the one that invoked “traditional” marriage. Polygamy IS a “traditional” marriage form. It does, in fact, exist here – even though it’s not legal. Ever watched “Sister Wives”? That’s on TV, in case you didn’t know.
If you read through my posts, you will see I cite history as a one reason polygamy may well be legalized. It was not illegal in the US until the mid 19th century.
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
8:56 pm
“Even though countless lives have been lost and billions of dollars spent on homosexual behavior that’s spread aid’s, hepatitis C and other STD’s we can’t place blame on homosexuals”
Are you really contending that heterosexuals NEVER, EVER, not EVER get any of those diseases?
Really?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
8:56 pm
“So gay marriage will lead to polygamy”
I didn’t say that…..
josef
May 31st, 2012
8:57 pm
FAIR
But those burkhas are so, declasees…
Recon 0311 2533
May 31st, 2012
8:57 pm
Indian lore conflicts with documented human behavior that transcends myths.
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
8:57 pm
“If you read through my posts, you will see I cite history as a one reason polygamy may well be legalized. It was not illegal in the US until the mid 19th century”
Still dodging the question as to how gay marriage will lead to polygamy I see.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
8:57 pm
“Point me to the credible scientific studies, anywhere, at any time, that confirm, corroborate, bolster or even remotely broach your “argument” that that the acceptance of gay marriage can lead to the acceptance of polygamy.”
What does science have to do with it? I mean, really??? We are talking about the legalization of polygamy!!! Do you understand the concept of a legal precedent? Read up on one being used now: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/12/us/12polygamy.html
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
8:58 pm
American prudes
My neighbor should be able to marry her crazy cats if she wants
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
8:58 pm
jonix, zayin indeed. THAT is the real perversion…
That and those that Thomas Jefferson referred to when he spoke of how he was not impressed that God does not lie, because the Bible and the men who use it do…
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
8:59 pm
Josef, that is a big word with which i am not familiar
josef
May 31st, 2012
8:59 pm
D*mn…some of the straights here know more about homosexuality than I do…I guess they’ve just been practicing longer…staying up late nights studying…
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:00 pm
Harems for everyone!
Except the looooosers of course
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:00 pm
“Still dodging the question as to how gay marriage will lead to polygamy I see.”
Geez….can you guys read? A SCOTUS ruling establishing that gay marriage is constitutional establishes a precedent for ruling polygamy to be so as well. Do I have to spell everything out for you guys? Geez!!!
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
9:01 pm
$hit I haven’t left yet
Josef @ 8:59
I think that is why Casey dedicated “Midnight Cruiser”
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:01 pm
If gay people can marry each other, surely I should be able to drive a measly 100 MPH
What’s with our stupid speed limits?
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:02 pm
Aw, and I thought you didn’t read my posts Is that another of those things you say you don’t do but do do
..heh, heh…wanna mud wrestle…?
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:03 pm
BOTH
Stick around! The zayin in chief is sniffing around…could be fun…
weetamoe
May 31st, 2012
9:03 pm
As usual, it didn’t take but a mo for the –well what about David Vitter?—. I dislike Edwards but not nearly as much as I dislike federal prosecutors. During his quite unconvincing mea culpa in front of the courthouse Edwards claimed God has more for him to do. Prelude to a comeback and another power grab, most likely. Since he refused a plea deal which would have cost him his law license, he is still qualified to practice. Something Bill Clinton had to forfeit.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:06 pm
Maybe they should just castrate Edwards rather than bothering with another trial
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:06 pm
“A SCOTUS ruling establishing that gay marriage is constitutional establishes a precedent for ruling polygamy to be so as well”
Certainly that is possible. So is the opposite. The thing you have failed to prove is that there is a direct “slippery slope” between the two. You can’t, bacause there is not.
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:07 pm
FAIR
It’s a gay thing…you wouldn’t understand…
Hint: It’s the opposite of Faaaabulous…
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
9:07 pm
“So gay marriage will lead to polygamy”
I didn’t say that…..
No, but TC has.
And the article that he himself linked further refutes his Illogical opinion:
Such arguments, often referred to as the “parade of horribles,” are logically flawed, said Jennifer C. Pizer, a professor at the law school at the University of California, Los Angeles, and legal director for the school’s Williams Institute, which focuses on sexual orientation law.
The questions surrounding whether same-sex couples should be allowed to marry are significantly different from those involved in criminal prosecution of multiple marriages, Ms. Pizer noted. Same-sex couples are seeking merely to participate in the existing system of family law for married couples, she said, while “you’d have to restructure the family law system in a pretty fundamental way” to recognize polygamy.
Professor Turley called the one-thing-leads-to-another arguments “a bit of a constitutional canard,” and argued that removing criminal penalties for polygamy “will take society nowhere in particular.”
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:08 pm
Why do I need a permit for darn near everything?
Recon 0311 2533
May 31st, 2012
9:08 pm
Arguing against a destructive homosexual agenda is not an argument conservatives can win on a liberal blog. The lefts cause driven mentality prevents morality to even be a consideration among their minions. Not unlike North Korea and other state forced group think methods the American left wing followers are sadly enslaved.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:10 pm
America is overrun with permit requirements.
You shouldn’t need a damn permit to get married.
Or to put up a fence.
Or to get a job as a damn hairdresser.
Or to park in a neighborhood.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:11 pm
TC, polygamy is a choice. There’s nobody out there who is only attracted to multiple wives, or husbands for that matter. It’s simply legitimizing infidelity. That’s completely different from people who are gay. People who are gay do not chose to be gay. See the difference?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:11 pm
America the land of the free? Bahumbug.
America, the land of the permit….
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:13 pm
“Arguing against a destructive homosexual agenda is not an argument conservatives can win on a liberal blog”
Absolutely. Because no such “destructive homosexual agenda” exists.
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:13 pm
DON’T FORGET
You’re right. I didn’t choose. I flipped a coin…heads or tails…
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:14 pm
“polygamy is a choice”
John Edwards, bill Clinton, Lyndon Johnson, JFK, FDR, all beg to differ
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:15 pm
josef, don’t tell me it was a wooden nickel!
BTW, loved that Dr. Laura letter.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
9:15 pm
Gulp, Gulp, Gulp
yes I will have another, make it a double shot of hate this time
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:15 pm
Doggone
Of course there’s a “destructive homosexual agenda.” It’s right there on the shelf next to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion…
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:17 pm
DON’T FORGET
Ain’t that Dr. Laura letter a masterpiece?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
9:17 pm
Tonight the bottle let someone down
It slipped up and allowed those hateful self loathing thoughts to come around
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:17 pm
Josef…darn it! NOW you’ve given it away!
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:17 pm
Josef
Gay folks will soon have to learn about divorce law
The horror…..
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 31st, 2012
9:17 pm
Vitter consorted with hookers and is STILL in office. But Republicans seem to get off the hook for things like that.
Well, all Vitter done was have a woman change his diaper. Heck, that happens even with babies. Admit it, who are you going to go to in order to get your diaper changed? You go to a woman, of course.
But this librul Edwards had You Know What with a woman that wasn’t even his wife. And she had a baby to boot. This is what you get when you have a Activist Court that won’t throw him in the slammer for about 30 years.
That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good night everybody.
Soothsayer
May 31st, 2012
9:18 pm
If there is a God in Heaven, Jay will come up with some thread tomorrow that doesn’t have to do with gay marriage. Good night!
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:18 pm
Both, tried a new beer the other day. It’s called Arrogant Bastar(d). It’s pretty good.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
9:18 pm
Recon
Maybe you should go to the Log Cabin REPUBLICAN blog and post exactly what you have been posting….
Let me know what they think
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:19 pm
Gay folks are crazy to want to get married
They have no idea how good they have it
“oh we can’t get married, it’s illegal you twit….”
There goes that awesome excuse…..
If only they banned hetero marriage.
TaxPayer
May 31st, 2012
9:19 pm
Another complication brought on by global warming–more bigger badder bugs and germs. Oh well. Good thing global warming isn’t real.
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
9:20 pm
If that response to Dr. Laura doesn’t shut up those who use their bible to bash everyone they don’t think is worthy of equality, nothing will!
I guess the only small satisfaction that those who advocate for justice for all can get, is to watch the insanely unrealistic reactionaries stew in their own bile.
There is no going back to the days when de facto and de jure discrimination ruled this country.
And most of us are damn glad of that…
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
9:20 pm
Dont
never heard of it… You buy it here in the Atlanta area?
Somebody on here as been trying a lot of something tonight. Probably nothing new, just the usual, but a little more than normal
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:21 pm
Maybe I ought to apologize for finding the anti-day marriage crew to be so funny, but I don’t have it in me to be that generous.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:21 pm
Taxpayer
Stop worrying. Soon enough it’ll be illegal.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
9:22 pm
Recon
Heck……… just see if you can get Ken Melhman, Mark Foley or David Craig on the phone
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:22 pm
oops! “anti-GAY marriage crew”!
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:24 pm
Both, nope, got it in Knoxville where I live. It’s a “high alcohol” beer. Kinda like Guinness.
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:24 pm
SOOTH
Well, whatever he comes up with, looks like it’ll turn into that…
DON’T FORGET
One of our favorite wines is Fat B*stard…
BOTH
It would be fun, eh? I betcha he’s lusting in his heart for Sheriff Babeu…nyanh, that’d mean he had taste…
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:24 pm
If democrats had balls they’d just let peeps do what they want
No balls.
The republicans have balls. But they’re pretty small.
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
9:24 pm
Don’t Forget, if you want to double down, try this one.
But be forewarned; one bottle of this baby is all you’re probably gonna need!
And their spiel is hysterical. (You’re not worthy!)
http://tinyurl.com/8gv8rm
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:29 pm
I think “they both suck” is right.
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:29 pm
Well, it looks like they’ve declared Mission Accomplished and taken their paper dolls and gone home…
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:32 pm
“And the article that he himself linked further refutes his Illogical opinion:”
How so? By citing the opinion of a single law professor? Here (from a FOX article):
“The Utah Supreme Court upheld the law in 2006 as part of an appeal of a polygamist police officer’s 2003 conviction on bigamy and child sex charges. The case began as an investigation into the child sex allegations.
In a dissenting opinion, the chief justice agreed that Utah unfairly applied its bigamy law to polygamists and that it “oversteps the lines protecting the free exercise of religion and the privacy of intimate, personal relationships between consenting adults.”
Some scholars say polygamy should be decriminalized not just on First Amendment or privacy grounds, but because it would help society better regulate families.
Victims of abuse, which some believe is inherent in plural communities, might feel more comfortable seeking assistance if they don’t also fear prosecution, Lyndon State College anthropology professor Janet Bennion said.
“Laws that criminalize polygamy isolate and alienate … it’s not polygamy per se that leads to abuse, that can be present in monogamy,” Bennion said. “We really should allow more freedoms for any kind of alternative marriage.
“If we threaten polygamy, other forms will be threatened, such as gay and lesbian marriage,” she said.”
AND here is a considered legal analysis: http://149.68.16.192/media/3/2a8ac3d3da074712810c0f96de61a1d1.pdf
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:32 pm
Republicans think there’s too much shakin goin on
Silly
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:32 pm
“Well, it looks like they’ve declared Mission Accomplished and taken their paper dolls and gone home…”
I prefer to say we wore ‘em down…again.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:33 pm
Jam, that’s cool I’ll have to ask the guys at the liquor store to order some. I’ve had some 10.5% before and 22 oz should be just about right. Sam Adams “Wee Heavy” is 10% and pretty good for an American beer.
Josef, is that a red? white? I’ll have to check it out. Hard to get me away from the pinot grigio but can’t have it ALL the time.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:36 pm
“TC, polygamy is a choice. There’s nobody out there who is only attracted to multiple wives, or husbands for that matter. It’s simply legitimizing infidelity.”
It is a choice but many would argue with your contention that it is “simply legitimizing infidelity.”
“That’s completely different from people who are gay. People who are gay do not chose to be gay.”
I disagree, but please indicate why you think this is so.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:36 pm
Eat that high regulation cons
If people want to get it on, and then make themselves miserable with marriage, that’s their mistake
Personal responsibility 101
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:36 pm
Oh, dear….
He’s baaaaack!
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:37 pm
“John Edwards, bill Clinton, Lyndon Johnson, JFK, FDR, all beg to differ”
LOL
Amazing
May 31st, 2012
9:37 pm
All the comments by Republicans about how the liberal media gives Democrats a free pass. They seem to conveniently forget the free pass Fox News and its ilk gave Vitter, Ensign or Bush’s Sec of Housing Jackson. The Republican media is just as biased as the liberal media. Republicans need to stop being hypocritical about media bias!
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:38 pm
DON’T FORGET
An ass-kicking red…
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:38 pm
Why can’t I walk down the street with a beer?
That has to be among the dumbest laws.
Especially if it’s a good beer.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:40 pm
Towncrier
Democrat presidents have a hard time keeping their peckers on a leash
Republican presidents are generally better, but not perfect
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
May 31st, 2012
9:42 pm
Josef, please give Un a hug for me.
Signed, G O D
I did go to that, but ear thingies are not working too well. Did get that the G O D got the better of the wimpy guy.
Am I the only one who saw the unicorn story? Okay, will Google.
If you & Un ever get to Smyrna (why would you ever), let me know.
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:42 pm
TOWN CRIER
Yeah, I got up one morning and said, lemme see what I can do to bring out the hate mongers full force with a target on my tea cup ass…
A Jewish mother and a Catholic education didn’t put THAT much martyrdom (or for that matter, guilt!) into my Weltanschauung…
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
9:42 pm
How so? By citing the opinion of a single law professor?
And then you do what exactly? Cite a professor.
Victims of abuse, which some believe is inherent in plural communities, might feel more comfortable seeking assistance if they don’t also fear prosecution, Lyndon State College anthropology professor Janet Bennion said.
Too funny.
One more time, your opinion that the acceptance of gay marriage can logically lead to the acceptance of polygamy is neither logical nor based on any factual information.
But you have worked very hard to convince yourself that you’ve somehow produced evidence thereof.
You have not.
Keep trying…
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:42 pm
“Democrat presidents have a hard time keeping their peckers on a leash…”
I know, but you won’t here many liberals bashing them for their adulterous behavior. I will. That is also one of the main beefs I have with Newt and some others in the GOP.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:44 pm
“And then you do what exactly? Cite a professor.”
Exactly…to show YOU how silly your “refutation” was. Read the legal analysis, written by someone I would not characterize as conservative. You will at least see in that document the plausibility of what I’ve argued.
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:46 pm
G-MARE
Will do…
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:46 pm
“One more time, your opinion that the acceptance of gay marriage can logically lead to the acceptance of polygamy is neither logical nor based on any factual information.”
It is a very real logical possibility. I am saying it can well happen. You are denying the possibility. Guess who is right?
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:46 pm
“That is also one of the main beefs I have with Newt and some others in the GOP”
Sure…because you’re here CONSTANTLY berating “Newt and some others” for their behavior. Right?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:47 pm
Obama should smoke up before giving his nomination speech
Then he can speak freely about legalizing gay marriage, polygamy, and smokin
Free your mind (again) mr president
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:48 pm
I disagree, but please indicate why you think this is so.
That’s simple. I’m straight and I’ve always known I was. I have many friends who are men but I’m simply not attracted to them in “that way”. So when I meet a gay person I can only conclude that they did not “choose” to be that way since I didn’t choose to be the way I am. Being bi may be another matter but that’s not the subject here and, really I would think that anyone who thinks it is a choice is likely bi.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:48 pm
“Sure…because you’re here CONSTANTLY berating “Newt and some others” for their behavior. Right?”
Read through my posts over the months. I don’t do it constantly, nor do I constantly “berate” (as you put it) anything.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:48 pm
Try convincing newt polygamy is a choice….. He and Billy C sing from the same hymnal
Probably a Mormon hymnal
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:48 pm
“You are denying the possibility”
I haven’t seen anyone herre deny the possiblity that polygamy might be recognized. Only the assertion that gay marriage will LEAD TO polygamy being recognized.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:49 pm
Next on the gay rights list: child support
Oy, what are they thinking?
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:49 pm
“That’s simple. I’m straight and I’ve always known I was. I have many friends who are men but I’m simply not attracted to them in “that way”. So when I meet a gay person I can only conclude that they did not “choose” to be that way since I didn’t choose to be the way I am. ”
So how do you explain the orientation then? Are they born that way?
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
9:50 pm
You post a legal document that is 34 pages long and tell me to read it!
Shirley, you jest?
Hell, you haven’t even read it.
Otherwise you would just cut to the chase and prove your point – that the acceptance of gay marriage can logically lead to the acceptance of polygamy.
You can’t because you cannot find it in that document or anywhere else…
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:50 pm
Also on the gay rights agenda: the right to pay a divorce attorney 20% of all they own
Mind blowing
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:50 pm
“I don’t do it constantly, nor do I constantly “berate” (as you put it) anything”
Sure, just as WE don’t constantly talk about the sins of past Democratic Presidents. Goose and Gander I think.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:51 pm
TC, just start an anti-polygamy amendment movement. That one might actually go through.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:51 pm
“Hell, you haven’t even read it.”
I did read through it. I am not saying read it this moment, but please do so.
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
9:51 pm
Don’t Forget
Both, tried a new beer the other day. It’s called Arrogant Bastar(d). It’s pretty good.
Are you worthy???
————————–
They BOTH
You can buy AB here in the metro area. I get my stash from a spot in Fairburn.
————————–
JamVet
I haven’t gotten my hands on the Double yet. I’ve had the Russian Stout though. That one’s good too, and I’m not a real big fan of stouts.
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:52 pm
“So how do you explain the orientation then? Are they born that way?”
How do you explain YOUR orientation? Were you born that way?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:52 pm
Gay marriage WILL lead to a lot of things
Like a bunch of unhappy gay folks
But probably not any population growth
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
9:53 pm
josef and jam
Almost forgot………. Drove by the synagogue and school in Morningside today…..
They had a sign that read “There is a new Shearith in town”
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:53 pm
“Sure, just as WE don’t constantly talk about the sins of past Democratic Presidents. Goose and Gander I think.”
Can you point me to any post – even one – by a liberal “berating” the adulteries of those presidents?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
9:53 pm
Bro
Thx. Will check it out
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:54 pm
So how do you explain the orientation then? Are they born that way?
Yes. Although I suspect it’s more congenital than genetic but that’s just my suspicion.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:54 pm
” Were you born that way?”
Nope I like women
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:54 pm
“How do you explain YOUR orientation? Were you born that way?”
Answer my question and I’ll answer yours.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:55 pm
“Yes. Although I suspect it’s more congenital than genetic but that’s just my suspicion.”
How about pedophiles?
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:56 pm
“Can you point me to any post – even one – by a liberal “berating” the adulteries of those presidents”
I wouldn’t even bother to try. They’re old history, with no relevence…and any indignation I feel, or anyone feels, about their behavior is meaningless.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:56 pm
“adulteries”?
Please. That is so anti polygamist and polygophobic
We prefer the truth: we are men of many women
Please be a little more PC in the future
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:57 pm
“They’re old history, with no relevence…”
When does a president’s behavior become irrelevant…how many years must pass?
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
9:57 pm
all males are born
homosexual. society
imprints them to breed.
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:58 pm
I don’t presuppose to speak for all gay people when I say this, but I cannot recall a time in my life when I wasn’t conscious of being “different.” What that difference was in the sexual arena came as part and parcel of my entire coming to terms with sexuality itself.
I was lucky (blessed?) to have a good family with plenty of brothers, cousins, uncles, granddaddy, etc. that kept watch over me and kept me safe from the, well, the closet cases and perverts…
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:58 pm
“Yes. Although I suspect it’s more congenital than genetic but that’s just my suspicion”
and I don’t think it’s an either/or situation. I think there can be many explanations for someone being, or not being, gay. It’s basically none of my business what their attraction is. That is private for them just as it should be private for me.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:58 pm
Bro, Alpha Dog is pretty good too. I’ll be trying “Delerium Tremens” soon. (left it at GF’s house)
Krispy Kreme
May 31st, 2012
9:59 pm
Ya’ll are still arguing?
Krispy Kreeeeeeeeme….and DJ Mac Miller
whooop woooo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plPsnWFng0w
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:59 pm
“I don’t presuppose to speak for all gay people when I say this, but I cannot recall a time in my life when I wasn’t conscious of being “different.” What that difference was in the sexual arena came as part and parcel of my entire coming to terms with sexuality itself.”
So, how about pedophiles?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:59 pm
“When does a president’s behavior become irrelevant…how many years must pass?”
Given Obama himself is still campaigning against Bush, it is obviously a minimum of four
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:59 pm
“How about pedophiles?”
Interesting in the extreme how quickly the anti-gay marriage crowd makes the jump to pedophilia.
TaxPayer
May 31st, 2012
10:00 pm
Fair’s Fair is gonna just make disease carrying bugs illegal. Why didn’t I think of that!
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:00 pm
Krispy!
What up?
Whoop whoop!!
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:00 pm
“When does a president’s behavior become irrelevant…how many years must pass”
Depends on how long the effects of that behavior last.
givememyfairshare
May 31st, 2012
10:01 pm
If all states acknowledged civil unions as legal for man\woman, man\man, woman\woman – could we then leave the definition of marriage as it’s always been – between one man and one woman?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:01 pm
Can I get a whoop whoop?!
Yeah….
Less bakin, more shakin
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:02 pm
“I think there can be many explanations for someone being, or not being, gay.”
There are, in fact. But is someone is claiming there is not choice involved, then why doesn’t that also apply to pedophiles or others abnormally “oriented”?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:02 pm
Giveme
Nein!
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2012
10:02 pm
I’ve said this before, but maybe since it’s on topic i’ll mention it again.
Jay never trusted Edwards; he seems to have had him sussed as a phony from the word go (i believe he’d interviewed the guy back in 2004 and wasn’t impressed).
During the primary battles of 2008, Edwards was the only populist running, and I actually early-voted for him in the primary. Not because I thought he had much of a shot, but I thought it would send a message to the corporatists (Hillary and Barack) who were leading in the polls at the time. Of course Edwards dropped out before Super Tuesday, somewhat shockingly at the time, of course now we know why.
I guess I wouldn’t go as far as Roy Barnes in my assessment of this very flawed individual, but obviously I’m pretty pissed off that Edwards put himself in a position where, had he managed to win the nomination, he would’ve been destroyed by what McCain’s team surely would’ve found out.
He’s still fairly young, plenty of time to redeem himself as a human being. Hope he stays hell and gone from politics, and sticks to advocating for the people he claimed to care about, four years ago.
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:03 pm
“If all states acknowledged civil unions as legal for man\woman, man\man, woman\woman – could we then leave the definition of marriage as it’s always been – between one man and one woman?”
No. Because that would mean rewriting the entirety of all laws pertaining to marriage that are currently on the books. It’s easier, quicker, and cheaper to just define marriage as a legal contract between two consenting adults. Then all of those laws would apply to all legal marriages.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:03 pm
Bros before hos
Until you’re married
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
10:04 pm
TC, How about pedophiles?
That’s completely different. Pedophiles are thought to be a result of arrested psychosexual development.
bman
May 31st, 2012
10:04 pm
did John Edwards break campaign finance laws and pay money to gay escorts? Am I missing something?
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:05 pm
“Interesting in the extreme how quickly the anti-gay marriage crowd makes the jump to pedophilia.”
Why? It is a fair question. I was sexually abused as a child by a (married) pedophile? Did this person “choose” to ruin a marriage and family?
josef
May 31st, 2012
10:05 pm
BOTH
I love that one…especially when you think of the secondary meaning/usage of shearith–close friend, relative…
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:05 pm
“But is someone is claiming there is not choice involved, then why doesn’t that also apply to pedophiles or others abnormally “oriented”?”
What does pedophilia have to do with the discussion of being or not being gay? It’s as irrelevent as the imaginary association between gay marriage and polygamy. No relation at all.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:06 pm
“That’s completely different. Pedophiles are thought to be a result of arrested psychosexual development.”
Says who? Do they have a choice in their desire or not?
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
May 31st, 2012
10:06 pm
And don’t call me Shirley! G O D is pretty much okay, tho.
And to, the earlier poster who figured he is the oldest on this blog: I was born in 1941. You?
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
10:07 pm
then why doesn’t that also apply to pedophiles
Crier, can’t believe you actually asked that. Kids are not consenting adults, period.
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:07 pm
“Why? It is a fair question”
It is irrelevent to the discussion of being or not being gay.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:07 pm
“What does pedophilia have to do with the discussion of being or not being gay? It’s as irrelevent as the imaginary association between gay marriage and polygamy.”
So YOU say. Prove it. Prove that pedophiles CHOOSE that behavior (which they cannot seem to break out of).
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:08 pm
Edwards has a future.
He will be starring in Swamp People: Real Hunter Housewives Edition
He will not be on ER. He doesn’t like sick people, even his own wife.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:09 pm
“Crier, can’t believe you actually asked that. Kids are not consenting adults, period.”
We are not talking about kids. We are talking about sexual orientation.
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:10 pm
“Prove that pedophiles CHOOSE that behavior (which they cannot seem to break out of).”
Why should I do any such thing? It has nothing to do with the discussion of being or not being gay.
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
10:11 pm
TC, you demand proof, yet when challenged to do so yourself, you do not.
What’s up with that?
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:11 pm
“We are talking about sexual orientation”
Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:12 pm
I think obamahas erectile dysfunction
Would explain a lot
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:12 pm
“Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation.”
What would you call it?
j$
May 31st, 2012
10:13 pm
John Edwards was very close to being the Democrat nominee.
Certainly the choice of many liberals here.
May he go forward and try to make the world a better place.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:14 pm
“Why should I do any such thing? It has nothing to do with the discussion of being or not being gay.”
It has everything to do with it. If you want to argue that gay behavior is acceptable because those so oriented cannot help their orientation, the same must apply to any abnormal sexual orientation that cannot seem to be helped. Pedophilia seems to fall into that category. How many of these guys are imprisoned, released and then go right an do it all over again. Who would wish that kind of grief upon themselves?
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:14 pm
“What would you call it?”
A power play. Just as rape is not about sex, it’s about power…pedophilia is about power not sex. Sex in both cases is the tool, not the goal.
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
10:14 pm
Don’t Forget
Delirium Tremens is good too. The place in Fairburn carries quite a few micro labels and imports. JamVet is probably more of a “beer snob” than I, but I mostly consume those. The yellow fizzy stuff like Bud Light is cooking beer.
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:15 pm
“If you want to argue that gay behavior is acceptable because those so oriented cannot help their orientation, the same must apply to any abnormal sexual orientation that cannot seem to be helped”
I’m willing to agree that pedophiles cannot seem to be helped. What does that have to do with being or not being gay?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:16 pm
J$
Corzine was almost Obama’s treasury secretary
He stole a Billion bucks from investors
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
10:16 pm
Crier, sorry you had that experience but pedophilia is a crime against another just like rape regardless if it is homo or hetero. There is a victim. Sheesh, how’d I let myself get involved in this conversation.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:16 pm
““Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation.”
“What would you call it?”
A way to save you position from a logical assault.
josef
May 31st, 2012
10:16 pm
Okay, I make this comment everytime we go here. I ought to just put it so I can cut and paste.
I really don’t concern myself with too much of the how and why. I just accept it as a given part of who I am. Like Lilly Tomlin the night a heckler asked the question. She said, “you know, I’ve been asked that so much lately, I’ve actually begun to think about it myself.”
I lean toward the genetic and here is why, ancestrally uppity snob that I am. I’ve got one of those family trees that goes back a long way and includes a goodly number of names a part of the Western Civ books…and it’s amazing the number of gay folks falling out of the tree when it’s shaken. My cousin Jack and I took to making a list of just the ones in our own lifespans..and there were a surprizing number and from all the various environments and family types…so, I don’t know…but it is interesting…
j$
May 31st, 2012
10:17 pm
Bros – try Wild Turkey (101) instead.
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
10:17 pm
If a moral compass is
insufficient to guide
your sexual orientation
consult your stars with a
sextant.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:18 pm
“I’m willing to agree that pedophiles cannot seem to be helped. What does that have to do with being or not being gay?”
Is that not the reason homosexuality has now gained widespread acceptance – that gay people did not choose this for themselves else why would they?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:18 pm
Beer schmeer
Try a “blue mother f-cker” sometime
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:19 pm
“There is a victim. Sheesh, how’d I let myself get involved in this conversation”
Because in the minds of too many anti-gay people there is some spurious association between being gay and being a pedophile. They can’t seem to help it. Sooner or later any discussion about being gay leads to introducing pedophilia.
bman
May 31st, 2012
10:19 pm
this topic is sort of sickening….
josef
May 31st, 2012
10:20 pm
Don’t Forget
“Sheesh, how’d I let myself get involved in this conversation.”
Nothing good on the tee-vee?
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
10:20 pm
Will Rogers never met a
man he didn’t like.
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:20 pm
“Is that not the reason homosexuality has now gained widespread acceptance – that gay people did not choose this for themselves else why would they?”
No. I accept it as being something that is none of my business.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:21 pm
I like women
I chose to be hetero
Deal with it peeps
To each their own
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:22 pm
“bman
May 31st, 2012
10:19 pm
this topic is sort of sickening….
LinkReport this comment”
True dat.
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
10:23 pm
Homosexuals Unite!
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:23 pm
If Catherine the great wants to have sex with a horse, why do I care
Whack, but I don’t care
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
10:23 pm
“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”
–Benjamin Franklin
‘Nuff said!!!!
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:23 pm
“I chose to be hetero”
You do realize, don’t you, that saying you choose to be hetero means you also could choose to be gay?
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
10:24 pm
I don’t see why ya’ll are so hard on towncrier for his opinion on what happens after gay marriage.
I don’t agree with his main points but neither do I completely dismiss them. Once you allow gay marriage you redefine marriage. And you can bet your ass that polygamists absolutely will challenge the marriage law- whether they will succeed is a different question.
Polygamy has a much lengthier history and tradition going back thousands of years and through many cultures than gay marriage. There is no reason why polygamists cannot and will not mount a challenge.
Now as far as opening the door for gay men from Nambla to marry young teenage boys 13 years of age I can’t see that ever- that’s hopping on the crazy train.
What I can and do see is polygamists knocking on the door pretty hard. And if that gets through then 30-50 years down the line what is there to stop gay men from marrying multiple 18- 20 year old young men in the same way straight men have taken advantage of and married far younger women. May seem crazy now but I would imagine that if you asked someone 50-60 years ago the about the issue of gay marriage they probably would have thought you certifiable. Hell even gays back then probably would have thought it was nuts to think gays could ever worry. Its not as far fetched as you guys think.
We will never get to the point of legalized pedophilia but it is possible for polygamy and the idea of older men(gay and straight) to take advantage of much younger 18-21 year olds in weaker economic and power circumstances.
Just a thought and for the record I don’t have much of a dog in this gay marriage fight. Not really my ithue.
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
10:24 pm
Fair’s Fair
what were you before you
chose hetero?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:24 pm
From gays to polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality
hmmmmmmmmmmm
All mentioned tonight. Not all be the same person, but all mentioned. Wonder why and how that happens?
j$
May 31st, 2012
10:25 pm
I’ve got 400 houses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plPsnWFng0w
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:25 pm
“Because in the minds of too many anti-gay people there is some spurious association between being gay and being a pedophile.”
The association is merely an immoral one in my mind and I am attacking the view that homosexuality is not immoral by trying to show that the grounds for accepting it could be applied to other abnormal forms of sexuality. I draw the line I do on scriptural grounds; I have no idea what grounds you draw the line upon other than perhaps an ever evolving situational morality (in ancient Greece, pedophila was acceptable).
bman
May 31st, 2012
10:25 pm
“You do realize, don’t you, that saying you choose to be hetero means you also could choose to be gay?”
It’s a choice??
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:26 pm
“barking frog
May 31st, 2012
10:23 pm
Homosexuals Unite!”
They already do….. Just not legally
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:26 pm
“All mentioned tonight. Not all be the same person, but all mentioned. Wonder why and how that happens?”
It ALWAYS happens. There are some people who simply are incapable of separating them from each other. One leads to the other inexorably in their minds.
bman
May 31st, 2012
10:27 pm
TBS .. .. try eating a bad taco bell combo and reading over this
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:27 pm
Frog
I was asexual prior to hetero
Hetero is more fun
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:27 pm
TD
So all the polygamist are just waiting their turn?
They do not need gays to forge a way for them. Why are they not already petitioning on a huge scale across the country?
It is a weak @ss slippery slope argument……..at BEST
TC has his right to his opinion. No one has tried to silence him as he suggested or questioned earlier
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:28 pm
“The association is merely an immoral one in my mind and I am attacking the view that homosexuality is not immoral by trying to show that the grounds for accepting it could be applied to other abnormal forms of sexuality”
And in doing so you are tying together behaviors that harm others and behaviors that do NOT harm others. And they are NOT comparable.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:28 pm
“Now as far as opening the door for gay men from Nambla to marry young teenage boys 13 years of age I can’t see that ever- that’s hopping on the crazy train.”
Presently, the youngest age at which you can be married in some states is 13. If gay marriage is allowed, then a homosexual union between an adult and teenage that young must be allowed.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:28 pm
Bro
If you are still on, how are the operations going for your end of the new terminal?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:29 pm
Taco bell is bad for you
Eat chipotle
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:30 pm
“Presently, the youngest age at which you can be married in some states is 13. If gay marriage is allowed, then a homosexual union between an adult and teenage that young must be allowed.”
yes, if it’s legal for heteros it will be legal for gays. It’s abominable that it is legal at all.
j$
May 31st, 2012
10:30 pm
Whats up bman?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plPsnWFng0w
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:30 pm
The beastiality and pedophilia sickos are waiting behind the polygamists who seem to be waiting behind the gays……..
Who knew?
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
10:31 pm
Towncrier,
Pedophilia also has some cultural acceptance in the middle east as well. Lotta people don’t realize that.
josef
May 31st, 2012
10:32 pm
FROG
Knew we could count on you…
j$
But, did you CHOOSE Krispy or were you born that way or were you forced…
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:32 pm
“And in doing so you are tying together behaviors that harm others and behaviors that do NOT harm others. And they are NOT comparable.”
Huh? There is a whole lot of human behavior that is harmful, much of it not even illegal. Gay people harm each other, just like married people do. If a 13 year consents to a homosexual relationship with a 25 year old with the parent’s blessing, then who are YOU to say it is harmful? On what MORAL grounds?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:32 pm
You can get married at 13? Where?
My kids will not live in that state…..
No need to put yourself through the pain and suffering of marriage until you’re as old as possible.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:32 pm
Did I just read where someone sad that pedophilia falls into the same category as homosexuality?
And is someone defending this guy beyond saying he has a right to his opinion?
j$
May 31st, 2012
10:32 pm
Dogg/GA, no matter how much you want multiple husbands,
polygmy is no way to go Doggone.
TaxPayer
May 31st, 2012
10:33 pm
I suppose this video has already made the rounds a few times, eh.
bman
May 31st, 2012
10:33 pm
J$ .. .. THAT IS HILARIOUS!!
j$
May 31st, 2012
10:33 pm
TBS, that is an old liberal fable.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:33 pm
bman
That is going to be tough on the bowels… May as well add a few Budweisers with it to really get the digestive tract going
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
10:34 pm
fair’s fair
asexual is lonely.
you’re much better now.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:34 pm
j$
What?
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:34 pm
“. Gay people harm each other, just like married people do”
Ok, now you’re advocating for eliminating heterosexual marriages…right?
“If a 13 year consents to a homosexual relationship with a 25 year old with the parent’s blessing, then who are YOU to say it is harmful? On what MORAL grounds?”
A thirteen year old is not legally old enough to engage in a legal contract. Even in states where young marriages are allowed the parents must give their consent. Statutory rape is statutory rape, regardless of the willingness of the younger partner.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:35 pm
“Pedophilia also has some cultural acceptance in the middle east as well. Lotta people don’t realize that.”
But it can’t happen here, right TD? Just like people might have said 50 years ago gay marriage couldn’t happen here or 80 years ago that Hitler was no threat.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:35 pm
Frog
No doubt
I’m not an amphibian
You guys can reproduce asexually
Totally weird
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:36 pm
Oh, and BTW, parents cannot give their consent to an out-of-marriage relationship between a young child and an older adult. It is still statutory rape.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:37 pm
Why are there so many good funny people on 30 rock?
Because Tina fey is funny cool? And gay?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:37 pm
Now it is on to Hitler……..
We are slipping, skiing and snowboarding tonight……. Who knew, especially in a May in GA?
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:38 pm
“80 years ago that Hitler was no threat.”
Godwin’s law? I’m out. Time to hit the sack.
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
10:38 pm
fairs fair
but we are not allowed
scrambled eggs.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:38 pm
“A thirteen year old is not legally old enough to engage in a legal contract.”
That can change – may not be likely but it is possible.
“Even in states where young marriages are allowed the parents must give their consent.”
I acknowledged as much in my post. Again who are YOU to condemn it? Is the “law” equivalent to your morality?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:38 pm
Tina fey isn’t super cool tho
Stingy
She may be a log cabin repug
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
10:38 pm
They BOTH suck,
He has a point regarding sexual behavior, what is considered or once was considered abnormal or deviant, and situational sexual morality can certainly change over time and through cultures.
I hadn’t thought about it much before but what was or is considered normal or abnormal sexuality behaviors has been redefined in different cultures. The example of pedophilia once having been considered normal in Greece is an example.
And as I said look at the middle east. Its actually ingrained somewhat in their culture- poetry, literature, etc. At least that’s what I was taught in by my college history professor who had traveled extensively in the Middle east. There’s even a famous Arabic saying that I can’t remember how it goes- something like a boy for a day, a girl for a night or something like that. Can’t remember.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:39 pm
“That can change – may not be likely but it is possible.”
It could be 15 degrees in the morning. May not happen but it is possible
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
10:39 pm
Is statutory rape an entitlement?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:40 pm
Cynthia McKinney could be President (lets hope not)….. may not be likely but it is possible
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:40 pm
Frog. That’s whack
Im anti gay. If only Tina would convert back…. She’s got that librarian hot thing going on
Maybe we can regulate her back to heterosexuality
j$
May 31st, 2012
10:41 pm
Yeah, you want some dis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loIUe0iCHBE
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:41 pm
Iraq could have WMDs buried in the desert……… may not be likely but it is possible
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:42 pm
Ronald Reagan didn’t remember selling weapons to the Iranians… may not be likely but it is possible
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:42 pm
“No. I accept it as being something that is none of my business.”
Pffftt. Not a very graceful dodge.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:43 pm
Clinton did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky………. many not be likely but it is possible
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
10:43 pm
fairs fair
tina should spend more
time as sarah.
Josef
May 31st, 2012
10:44 pm
Both
Is that Celsius or Fahrenheit?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:44 pm
Wmd’s in the desert?
I better run upstairs. I think Tina is in my bedroom too.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:45 pm
“He has a point regarding sexual behavior, what is considered or once was considered abnormal or deviant, and situational sexual morality can certainly change over time and through cultures.
I hadn’t thought about it much before but what was or is considered normal or abnormal sexuality behaviors has been redefined in different cultures. The example of pedophilia once having been considered normal in Greece is an example.”
This is all indisputable fact, TD. But it makes liberals squirm because they don’t want to face the logical implications of their position for fear it will undermine it.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:45 pm
TD
Thanks for the input but I am not buying his point………..
From the time he made his original assertion to the challenging of others to put up while he did nothing but offer more conjecture when challenged…………… You can buy it, if you like.
Once again, he can post all night and unlike his question or suggestion earlier, NO one has attempted to silence him
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
10:45 pm
“But it can’t happen here, right TD?”
Like I said you have a point.
I don’t think it will happen here but then again in the 1940s or 1950s it was probably unfathomable to the average American that abortion would ever be legalized. I think back then it was considered murder by the overwhelming majority of people back. Obviously attitudes or that situational morality of which you speak have changed and changed quickly. But that was the prevalent view on abortion and it wasn’t that long ago either that that view held sway.
j$
May 31st, 2012
10:45 pm
Sure, anything is possible .
Thanks for the reminder.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:47 pm
josef
Either one, it isn’t going to get there
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:49 pm
Frog
Agree to disagree.
I find hot smart women hot. Palin, not smart.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:49 pm
“Once again, he can post all night and unlike his question or suggestion earlier, NO one has attempted to silence him.”
Well, no one can actually. But you can make ceaseless demeaning comments that have little or nothing to do with the debate all in childish effort to shut others up. It’s all schoolyard stuff.
bman
May 31st, 2012
10:50 pm
I wonder what Mister Bookman thinks when he peeks in on sutff like this….
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:50 pm
Because alcohol can be sold to anyone that is 21 yrs or older, everyone at least that age will become alcoholics………… may not be likely, but it could happen
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
10:50 pm
They both suck,
I’m not convinced either but towncrier has a logical point based on observations of other cultures, of quickly changing situational morality in various cultures, and of what is and was considered abnormal or normal over time. And btw there as I stated pedophilia is today accepted at least to some degree in some cultures as I mentioned. In Afghanistan pedophilia is rampant among the taliban.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:51 pm
Porsche dirossy
Also hot
Bummer
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
10:51 pm
bman,
He thinks what a bunch of blowhards.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:53 pm
TC
Quit playing the victim,,,,,,
School yard is going from Gay marriage to polygamy to pedophilia as if somehow it is in the same ball park.
Only in warped minds like yours is it in the same ball park
Pray for your own soul tonight……….. A Christian testament is not what you have displayed on this blog?
So keep up the BS…… As I said earlier, it has been fun
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
10:53 pm
fairs fair
do you give IQ tests before
sex?
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:53 pm
“I’m not convinced either but towncrier has a logical point based on observations of other cultures, of quickly changing situational morality in various cultures, and of what is and was considered abnormal or normal over time.”
How do you see this TD and hardly none of the liberals don’t? Again, I think it is because they recognize the logical implication of what I have argued and they don’t want to admit them because it undermines their position.
Josef
May 31st, 2012
10:55 pm
Both
I never have been able to relate to Celsius….how much is 15 c in fahrenheit?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:55 pm
TD
Of course the discussion is coming from numerous people and all over the board, but in one post he went made sure that we are talking US….. when it seems to fit his weak agenda he wants to bring in other cultures……..
Let him yap……….. and play his victim card as well as his get out of Leviticus free card (thanks Jay for that one)
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:56 pm
Gay marriage is legal in Canada
Conscientious objectors are streaming over
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:56 pm
josef
59 I think
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:56 pm
“Pray for your own soul tonight……….. A Christian testament is not what you have displayed on this blog?”
Take it up with the Apostle Paul, TBS:
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised.
- Romans 1
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
bman
May 31st, 2012
10:57 pm
I’m all for gay power & everything, but is it ok if we talk about women, too? I have a LOT of questions regarding Asian women.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:57 pm
Frog
Yes actually
Want to know my funniest test?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
10:57 pm
TD and bman
I think you are right……
He knows his asylum is running wild
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
11:00 pm
TC
Post all the verses you like. I am not a Christian…..
So you take it up with the your God…. Hopefully he forgives your bigotry…….
Josef
May 31st, 2012
11:00 pm
Some of the most conservative folks are proponents of gay marriage…Cheney comes to mind…it’s not a conservative-liberal thing
j$
May 31st, 2012
11:01 pm
…for the reminder that liberals are hooligans.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
11:01 pm
Josef
Cheney is a liberal
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
11:02 pm
“deficits don’t matter”
Who said dat?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
11:02 pm
josef
Correct and some “liberals” only play lip service and really could careless if gays achieved the right
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
11:02 pm
fairs fair
text away.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
11:03 pm
TC
Romans is Paul, correct?
What did you Jesus say about gays?
Guess he was too busy hanging out with 12 dudes to make too many comments on the issue
Josef
May 31st, 2012
11:04 pm
Bman
You got a point there…don’t know much about Asians, though. But that shouldn’t keep me from talking about what the are, should I?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
11:06 pm
Frog
I usually end up in a conversation somewhere along the way about family history
I tell them I’m a third this, a third that, and a third the other
A real knee slapper
But math-tards need not apply
It does the job well
Failure rate is high
Larry summers says women aren’t good at math
I might be inclined to agree
j$
May 31st, 2012
11:06 pm
Josef, bless you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5xux2Mp77Y
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
11:07 pm
They both suck,
I’m not saying that I fully agree with towncrier. Because I don’t think that just because we allow gay marriage that all of a sudden pedophiles are going to be marrying very young men.
What I am saying is that the more I think about it he has a valid point based just on what’s happened here. Looking at history just here in the U.S. regarding both gay marriage and abortion. Abortion was legalized in 73. How many people in the 40s or even the early 50s- scarcely 20 odd years earlier really thought that what in their view was murder would ever really be legal. Think about that for a bit. Same with gays. Did gays 30-40-50 years ago even fathom the idea that they would be able to marry? Societal attitudes and situational morality can change quickly. That’s all I’m saying.
And what we may think is completely abnormal or morally wrong may very well be different 30-40-50 years from now. Its not that far of a stretch given societal attitudes on gays and on abortion just 30-50 years ago before legalization of both.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
11:08 pm
“So you take it up with the your God…. Hopefully he forgives your bigotry…”
Christian or no, if He exists, He is your God as well. I hope he does forgive all of my sins, but arguing that homosexuality is wrong would not be one in His book. I have simply tried to show that the widespread acceptance of homosexuality to the point that gay marriage is now in view at a federal level has no clear moral or logical basis – it’s just okay because we say it is okay. I say it is not because the Bible says it is not – if it said otherwise, so would I. I am not smart or wise enough to know what behavior is truly good or bad for us – not by a long shot. If were an atheist, I could see little logical ground for endorsing any moral code. Logically, in a godless world, there is no difference between helping an old lady across the street or axe-murdering her. In 100 years or so, when all that knew her have turned to dust or if they human life is somehow destroyed, it makes no difference. Only emotionally does it matter to us in the here and now.
Josef
May 31st, 2012
11:09 pm
What does the Imam think….look at that posts count..what do you think he thinks? Just don’t call nobody a Delusional Lickspittle..
Ted
May 31st, 2012
11:11 pm
A quick salute to the coward Mike Luckovich who will not satirize any powerful democrat including John Edwards. Luckovich may not be funny, but he is predictable.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
11:11 pm
“I’m not saying that I fully agree with towncrier. Because I don’t think that just because we allow gay marriage that all of a sudden pedophiles are going to be marrying very young men.”
Neither did I say that, TD. I posted that as a real logical possibility (not “all of a sudden”), given gay marriage and polygamy being ruled constitutional. How could anyone argue otherwise (since existing laws permit the marriage of 13 year olds under certain conditions)?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
11:12 pm
I’m glad for every Tina fey there are probably six Rosie odonnells
At least I hope so…..
This is America….. Fat everybody
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
11:13 pm
“And what we may think is completely abnormal or morally wrong may very well be different 30-40-50 years from now. Its not that far of a stretch given societal attitudes on gays and on abortion just 30-50 years ago before legalization of both.”
Thank you, TD. Why can’t they see this? It baffles me – truly.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
11:15 pm
TD
I appreciate you attempting to bail him out, but I’m going to pass.
The man showed his true colors on this issue. He has every right to those colors, but he raised his flag very high without a doubt and so did others who had other opinions, including myself.
All that backpedaling and dancing around while pushing others to back up info while he dodged his own assertions, was a true testament to what he thought.
This isn’t the 1st time I have either read or been in discussion with him on this issue.
Saying he is against homosexuality because of x,y,z is one thing. Bringing on that SLIPPERY SLOPE of polygamy and pedophile and if I’m not mistaken saying “same category” is pure ignorance. His opinion and his ignorance on the issue
And I’m the one that is childish? It makes him feel better if he can bring in the others so he can somehow group all these people into one category. That is surely an assumption on my part but “same category” are his words not mine. That is how I came to my assumption, strictly based on his words
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
11:16 pm
josef
If he gets paid by the post, he is making a Kings ransom while Wingfield is making minimum wage
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
11:16 pm
“What did you Jesus say about gays? Guess he was too busy hanging out with 12 dudes to make too many comments on the issue…”
I’m sorry…are you suggesting he was gay? Knowing he was going to die and therefore not get married and that sex outside of marriage was sinful, was he supposed to “hang out” with women and be tempted to sin? Not to mention of course that, men and women didn’t “hang out” with each other in that culture – but you knew that, right?
Josef
May 31st, 2012
11:19 pm
J$
Thanks…
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
11:20 pm
For the 33rd time…… Good night all………… you as well TC
I will catch up on anything left outstanding tomorrow
Everyone have a great night and an even better Friday
peace
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
11:21 pm
“Saying he is against homosexuality because of x,y,z is one thing. Bringing on that SLIPPERY SLOPE of polygamy and pedophile and if I’m not mistaken saying “same category” is pure ignorance. His opinion and his ignorance on the issue.”
It’s called a reductio ad absurdum argument. It is a valid form of argument, whether or not you think I executed it well or fairly.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
11:22 pm
TC
Don’t get up tight about Jesus..
What did he say about gays? Not Paul who was at one time Saul the killer of Christians…………
I know a little………
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
11:22 pm
Towncrier,
” I posted that as a real logical possibility (not “all of a sudden”), given gay marriage and polygamy being ruled constitutional.”
Then I misunderstood you.
“How could anyone argue otherwise (since existing laws permit the marriage of 13 year olds under certain conditions)?”
Speaking of all this things sure have changed just in the past 50 -100 years regarding marriage with children. My girlfriend’s aunt Lois married her husband when she was 14 and he was 20. It wasn’t child molesting back then. 60 years later they are still married. The other 2 sisters were also in their teens when they married and the men were about 5-7 years older. B was 15 and married a 22 year old man. The third was an old lady. She got married when she was over the hill at 17. Today those men would probably be put in jail but back then things was different. Specially out here in the pastureland up near Athens.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
11:23 pm
“Don’t get up tight about Jesus..”
He is either a liar, a lunatic or actually who he said he was (Lord).
Josef
May 31st, 2012
11:23 pm
Crier
It’s not my religion, but didn’t he hang out with Mary Magdalene?
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
11:27 pm
“It’s not my religion, but didn’t he hang out with Mary Magdalene?”
Women were around Jesus and his disciples from time to time (in appropriate settings) – the Bible says they helped support His ministry. But there is no evidence he hung out with them, say, at night or not in a public place or where there were lots of people.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
11:29 pm
Allah is my god.
American laws infringe on my religious freedom.
Bad America.
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
11:29 pm
They both suck,
Towncrier is a big boy with a reasoned argument. He don’t need no bailing out by me or anyone else.
My initial response on his first post was that he had jumped on the crazy train. But I judged too quickly( knee jerk response) and the more I thought about it and about societal changes and attitudes in our very lifetime the more I realized the man has a very valid, logical point whether you or I agree or disagree with him. That’s all.
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
11:29 pm
TC
no footwashing or perfume
application?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
11:30 pm
Every Muslim worth their salt has at least 3 wives.
America blows
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
11:31 pm
Bye frog
Allah is calling me to bed
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
11:33 pm
“no footwashing or perfume application?”
That was in the presence of men at a meal and the woman in question kind of imposed herself on the gathering. I wouldn’t characterize that as “hanging out”. No temptation to sexual sin was even remotely possible in those scenarios.
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
11:35 pm
fairs fair
may tina be in your dreams.
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2012
11:36 pm
they both suck, towncrier, otros,
Its been an interesting conversation but Doomy is running on fumes so I’m out.
Fair’s fair,
Don’t know if you’re a lib or a con but it don’t much matter- the one liners are great. Keep em coming.
Josef
May 31st, 2012
11:37 pm
Well, I guess that pretty much makes it clear that Crier thinks women need to know their place.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
11:38 pm
“Its been an interesting conversation but Doomy is running on fumes so I’m out.”
I am out too, TD. Goodnight, josef! I have nothing against you as a person, I hope you know.
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
11:40 pm
TC
Jesus avoided temptation
from women to avoid the
commandment to Noah
to be fruitful and multiply
and replenish the earth
or just avoid sin.
bman
May 31st, 2012
11:42 pm
I’ve slept with married women. Quite a few. I’ve never felt bad.
Sorry. I had to get that off of my chest. God made me this way…..
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
11:45 pm
“Jesus avoided temptation from women to avoid the commandment to Noah
to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth or just avoid sin.”
His purpose was not to have a family, but to die for everyone at a relatively young age (33). It would have been irresponsible I suppose to start a family and then leave it without his support (my thought – not taken from the Bible). And and Paul indicates in one of his letters, His interests would have been divided as a married person. Besides, He said that people are not given in marriage in heaven but are like the angels.
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
11:52 pm
Jesus fulfilled the moses
commandments, it seems
he would have fulfilled the
one to noah and he left
his young church to peter
more important than a
family.
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 1st, 2012
12:35 am
Wow, just WOW! The wing nuts really do come out at night. Have to say, I am surprised that you ate still here Josef. But then somebody has to at least try to refute their craziness. And I am out for tonight. Yah, I know y’all will miss me.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 1st, 2012
6:43 am
Well, all y’all…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSYbZTsY-00
Bud Wiser
June 1st, 2012
6:45 am
John Edwards – typical liberal plantation master scum.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 1st, 2012
7:05 am
“typical liberal plantation master scum”
Some of us prefer ham and eggs to bile and bulldookey for breakfast.
stands for decibels
June 1st, 2012
7:10 am
He is either a liar, a lunatic or actually who he said he was (Lord).
yeah, Scout likes to post that assertion a lot as well. Looks like we have C. S. Lewis to thank for that one.
see also:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_perry/trilemma.html
The argument which McDowell calls the “trilemma” is popular among amateur apologists for Christianity. It was first popularized by C.S. Lewis, and has become even more common since McDowell reworked it. It is logically weak, but it is rhetorically powerful–as its popularity and recurrence attest–and so worth considering in more detail than it might otherwise merit.
[...]
it is not the case that there are three and only three precisely-defined choices to be made here, but rather a vast continuum of possibilities. We don’t know with any level of confidence precisely what Jesus as a historical figure claimed for himself, and in any event if whatever he claimed was false there are a great diversity of possibilities, which include liar and lunatic (which McDowell has not successfully ruled out) but which also include many other options which do allow Jesus to be considered a sage or moral teacher and no more.
The trilemma argument does not support any particular opinion one way or another concerning Jesus. If one already believes that Jesus was the Christ of the Christian faith and hence Lord, then naturally one is disinclined to believe that he was anything else, and may favor the idea that other options are untenable. This argument, however, provides no logical support for one who doesn’t already believe to choose the “Lord” option out of all the others.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 1st, 2012
7:14 am
Good morning Granny G.
I asked the question last night why couldn’t a conservative State like North Carolina, full of conservative jurors convict a “typical liberal plantation master scum” (modifying here)?
The answer is that even in North Carolina you are innocent until PROVEN guilty….so the “pond scum” is innocent. Gotta love our system of law. America! I love it!
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 1st, 2012
7:22 am
Coming soon to your area…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T88fbHOmvRk&feature=related
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 1st, 2012
7:26 am
Starting my Friday, just in time…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxpcZrQQM-4
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 1st, 2012
7:27 am
Mornin Normal!
Innocent till proven guilty…..
An interesting concept that should be applied to voters rights as well.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 1st, 2012
7:31 am
Granny G…
You’re preachin’ to the choir here!
TaxPayer
June 1st, 2012
7:36 am
Well, there are the innocent and then there are the forgiven.
Bud Wiser
June 1st, 2012
7:38 am
So, Granny Couch Cow, which part of my statement do you think you have the intelligence to show as inaccurate?
More evidence that the Obama economic ‘recovery’ is working; according to a recently released study, there are 126,000 fewer millionaires in the US since just last year.
Where did they go?
Bahamas? Curacao? Switzerland? Monaco?
Or where they just perhaps taxed out of the ranks, or businesses ruined and closed by the continual piling on of regulations from the govt, decreasing jobs, because they were not paying enough of their ‘fair share’ to subsidize the growing ranks of freeloaders?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 1st, 2012
7:40 am
Bud!
Two words…De. Caf….
TiredOfIt
June 1st, 2012
7:41 am
“His purpose was not to have a family, but to die for everyone at a relatively young age (33)”
Is it really that big a deal when you know you won’t be dead for long?
barking frog
June 1st, 2012
7:41 am
Bud
they are now billionaires.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 1st, 2012
7:49 am
Budwiser
Cow Couch? More bile?
You poor sad fellow.
TaxPayer
June 1st, 2012
7:49 am
I also heard that part of our loss of millionaires was due to those that took it with them.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 1st, 2012
7:50 am
Scout seems to forget that Jesus was not made “Divine” until the Council of Nicaea voted on it, around 400 years after his death as a political move to entrench the Catholic power base of Constantine. The Christian cult is most superbly “The Greatest Story Ever Sold”.
…and ask any Rabbi, if Jesus was 33, then he was most definitely married. It was law unless you were Essene, but the Bible does not mention that. Like I said…”The Greatest Story Ever Sold”.
barking frog
June 1st, 2012
7:51 am
Taxpayer
job creators in hell?
RB from Gwinnett
June 1st, 2012
7:54 am
John Edwards is as “not guilty” as OJ Simpson.
“why couldn’t a conservative State like North Carolina, full of conservative jurors convict a “typical liberal plantation master scum” (modifying here)?”
I wasn’t aware NC voted 100% R in the last or any election, Normal. Do you have anything that might remotely support that? I realize that might be a bit of projection, but you do have to have 100% to convict somebody. Just 1 idiot juror could easily have prevented the conviction as was done in the Nichols case. It’ll be interesting to hear what the guilty/not guilty balance from the jurors.
And for the record, NC voted for Obama.
Jm
June 1st, 2012
7:59 am
Now I know why cons hate planned parenthood
They run more ads down here in FL, and they’re as honest as the swift boat guys
And they get taxpayer money, running ads against the republican nominee
Brosephus™
June 1st, 2012
8:02 am
More evidence that the Obama economic ‘recovery’ is working; according to a recently released study, there are 126,000 fewer millionaires in the US since just last year.
Ya know, if your “millions” are in the stock market and not liquid, you can lose that money and no longer be counted as a millionaire while still living in the US. Look at ol’ Zuck… He’s lost 25% of his value in Facebook since it IPO’d. If he was a borderline millionaire when shares first started trading, he wouldn’t be one now.
Limiting the choices to things that you “think” are the only possibilities is the first sign of a weak argument.
Jm
June 1st, 2012
8:04 am
“more ads” than mcdonalds
Adam
June 1st, 2012
8:05 am
New data out shows CONSERVATIVE media bias, not liberal:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/the-charts-that-should-accompany-all-discussions-of-media-bias/257961/
At no time in the past year has coverage of President Obama been as positive as that of Governor Romney. Indeed, at no time in the past year has it been on-balance positive at all.
RB from Gwinnett
June 1st, 2012
8:06 am
Jm, Planned Genocide makes Darfur and Syria look like a hazing prank. 300,000 dead every year, year after year.
Adam
June 1st, 2012
8:07 am
Cue the bellyaching that stems from “You’re wrong because… BECAUSE SHUT UP, THAT’S WHY” (or the slightly milder “pfft, the analysis is liberal bias, because I dont’ like the results, therefore I’m still right that there’s liberal bias not conservative bias”)
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 1st, 2012
8:07 am
RB,
Shorts too tight this morning? And…according to our law system, O.J. was innocent.
stands for decibels
June 1st, 2012
8:10 am
How many people in the 40s or even the early 50s- scarcely 20 odd years earlier really thought that what in their view was murder would ever really be legal.
anyone who was paying even the slightest heed to public policy debates at the time.
RB from Gwinnett
June 1st, 2012
8:10 am
Adam, “At no time in the past year has coverage of President Obama been as positive as that of Governor Romney. Indeed, at no time in the past year has it been on-balance positive at all.”
What positive news about Obama do they have to report on?
stands for decibels
June 1st, 2012
8:10 am
anyhow, I see there’s job SHEETs upstairs.
Brosephus™
June 1st, 2012
8:11 am
Sheetz!!!!
Brosephus™
June 1st, 2012
8:12 am
What positive news about Obama do they have to report on?
I thought the Right “whine” was that the media fawns over Obama and whitewashes everything…
barking frog
June 1st, 2012
8:12 am
Normal
OJ was criminally not
guilty as charged, civilly
responsible for the
deaths of nicole and
goldman under our
system.
Adam
June 1st, 2012
8:19 am
I thought the Right “whine” was that the media fawns over Obama and whitewashes everything…
EXACTLY.
RB, you completely fell into my trap. Thanks for that. You have admitted that the media is not in the tank for Obama. Congratulations on becoming a liberal, by the way, since anyone who disagrees with major talking points is no longer a conservative, doncha know?
Doggone/GA
June 1st, 2012
8:20 am
“And…according to our law system, O.J. was innocent.”
Not quite. He was found not guilty. He was not found to be innocent. I don’t think our courts ever declare someone innocent.
Department Of Justice Tells Florida To Stop Purging Voter Rolls
June 1st, 2012
8:22 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/florida-voter-purge_n_1561137.html
Jack
June 1st, 2012
8:33 am
Edwards was making a baby with his bar pick-up while his wife was dying of cancer. That’s about as low as a man can get. And this low-life could have been a heart beat from the presidency.
skipper
June 1st, 2012
2:56 pm
Hey Jack,
See Kennedy, FDR, Clinton, etc. they all did it……..they just musta had on the ole raincoat………………and they WERE the prez at the time! Amazing what that ole booger will do……………………