John Edwards, not guilty and also not innocent
John Edwards is guilty of many things — stupidity, venality, arrogance and a callous cruelty among others — but a jury of his peers has found him not guilty of Count Three in the six-count federal indictment against him.
The jury deadlocked on the remaining five charges, and the judge in the case has declared a mistrial on those counts.
For the time being, at least, the verdict means that Edwards has won his gamble not to admit guilt and to fight the charges against him, which focus on alleged abuse of campaign finance laws. I can’t claim to have followed the case closely enough to have an opinion on the legal outcome, in part because as indicated above, I had already reached a conclusion about the man himself, and it wasn’t good. It was enough to know that the country had dodged a bullet in not elevating him to the vice presidency or higher, and that his reputation was forever ruined.
As Roy Barnes, a former Edwards supporter, put it recently, “There are some people who ought to be taken out from a courthouse, tied to an oak tree and just whipped. I think he fits into that category.”
I’m sure Barnes was speaking figuratively when he said that. At least I think he was.
Maybe.
– Jay Bookman
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Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:06 pm
Maybe they should just castrate Edwards rather than bothering with another trial
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:06 pm
“A SCOTUS ruling establishing that gay marriage is constitutional establishes a precedent for ruling polygamy to be so as well”
Certainly that is possible. So is the opposite. The thing you have failed to prove is that there is a direct “slippery slope” between the two. You can’t, bacause there is not.
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:07 pm
FAIR
It’s a gay thing…you wouldn’t understand…
Hint: It’s the opposite of Faaaabulous…
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
9:07 pm
“So gay marriage will lead to polygamy”
I didn’t say that…..
No, but TC has.
And the article that he himself linked further refutes his Illogical opinion:
Such arguments, often referred to as the “parade of horribles,” are logically flawed, said Jennifer C. Pizer, a professor at the law school at the University of California, Los Angeles, and legal director for the school’s Williams Institute, which focuses on sexual orientation law.
The questions surrounding whether same-sex couples should be allowed to marry are significantly different from those involved in criminal prosecution of multiple marriages, Ms. Pizer noted. Same-sex couples are seeking merely to participate in the existing system of family law for married couples, she said, while “you’d have to restructure the family law system in a pretty fundamental way” to recognize polygamy.
Professor Turley called the one-thing-leads-to-another arguments “a bit of a constitutional canard,” and argued that removing criminal penalties for polygamy “will take society nowhere in particular.”
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:08 pm
Why do I need a permit for darn near everything?
Recon 0311 2533
May 31st, 2012
9:08 pm
Arguing against a destructive homosexual agenda is not an argument conservatives can win on a liberal blog. The lefts cause driven mentality prevents morality to even be a consideration among their minions. Not unlike North Korea and other state forced group think methods the American left wing followers are sadly enslaved.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:10 pm
America is overrun with permit requirements.
You shouldn’t need a damn permit to get married.
Or to put up a fence.
Or to get a job as a damn hairdresser.
Or to park in a neighborhood.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:11 pm
TC, polygamy is a choice. There’s nobody out there who is only attracted to multiple wives, or husbands for that matter. It’s simply legitimizing infidelity. That’s completely different from people who are gay. People who are gay do not chose to be gay. See the difference?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:11 pm
America the land of the free? Bahumbug.
America, the land of the permit….
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:13 pm
“Arguing against a destructive homosexual agenda is not an argument conservatives can win on a liberal blog”
Absolutely. Because no such “destructive homosexual agenda” exists.
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:13 pm
DON’T FORGET
You’re right. I didn’t choose. I flipped a coin…heads or tails…
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:14 pm
“polygamy is a choice”
John Edwards, bill Clinton, Lyndon Johnson, JFK, FDR, all beg to differ
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:15 pm
josef, don’t tell me it was a wooden nickel!
BTW, loved that Dr. Laura letter.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
9:15 pm
Gulp, Gulp, Gulp
yes I will have another, make it a double shot of hate this time
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:15 pm
Doggone
Of course there’s a “destructive homosexual agenda.” It’s right there on the shelf next to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion…
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:17 pm
DON’T FORGET
Ain’t that Dr. Laura letter a masterpiece?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
9:17 pm
Tonight the bottle let someone down
It slipped up and allowed those hateful self loathing thoughts to come around
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:17 pm
Josef…darn it! NOW you’ve given it away!
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:17 pm
Josef
Gay folks will soon have to learn about divorce law
The horror…..
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 31st, 2012
9:17 pm
Vitter consorted with hookers and is STILL in office. But Republicans seem to get off the hook for things like that.
Well, all Vitter done was have a woman change his diaper. Heck, that happens even with babies. Admit it, who are you going to go to in order to get your diaper changed? You go to a woman, of course.
But this librul Edwards had You Know What with a woman that wasn’t even his wife. And she had a baby to boot. This is what you get when you have a Activist Court that won’t throw him in the slammer for about 30 years.
That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good night everybody.
Soothsayer
May 31st, 2012
9:18 pm
If there is a God in Heaven, Jay will come up with some thread tomorrow that doesn’t have to do with gay marriage. Good night!
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:18 pm
Both, tried a new beer the other day. It’s called Arrogant Bastar(d). It’s pretty good.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
9:18 pm
Recon
Maybe you should go to the Log Cabin REPUBLICAN blog and post exactly what you have been posting….
Let me know what they think
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:19 pm
Gay folks are crazy to want to get married
They have no idea how good they have it
“oh we can’t get married, it’s illegal you twit….”
There goes that awesome excuse…..
If only they banned hetero marriage.
TaxPayer
May 31st, 2012
9:19 pm
Another complication brought on by global warming–more bigger badder bugs and germs. Oh well. Good thing global warming isn’t real.
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
9:20 pm
If that response to Dr. Laura doesn’t shut up those who use their bible to bash everyone they don’t think is worthy of equality, nothing will!
I guess the only small satisfaction that those who advocate for justice for all can get, is to watch the insanely unrealistic reactionaries stew in their own bile.
There is no going back to the days when de facto and de jure discrimination ruled this country.
And most of us are damn glad of that…
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
9:20 pm
Dont
never heard of it… You buy it here in the Atlanta area?
Somebody on here as been trying a lot of something tonight. Probably nothing new, just the usual, but a little more than normal
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:21 pm
Maybe I ought to apologize for finding the anti-day marriage crew to be so funny, but I don’t have it in me to be that generous.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:21 pm
Taxpayer
Stop worrying. Soon enough it’ll be illegal.
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
9:22 pm
Recon
Heck……… just see if you can get Ken Melhman, Mark Foley or David Craig on the phone
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:22 pm
oops! “anti-GAY marriage crew”!
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:24 pm
Both, nope, got it in Knoxville where I live. It’s a “high alcohol” beer. Kinda like Guinness.
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:24 pm
SOOTH
Well, whatever he comes up with, looks like it’ll turn into that…
DON’T FORGET
One of our favorite wines is Fat B*stard…
BOTH
It would be fun, eh? I betcha he’s lusting in his heart for Sheriff Babeu…nyanh, that’d mean he had taste…
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:24 pm
If democrats had balls they’d just let peeps do what they want
No balls.
The republicans have balls. But they’re pretty small.
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
9:24 pm
Don’t Forget, if you want to double down, try this one.
But be forewarned; one bottle of this baby is all you’re probably gonna need!
And their spiel is hysterical. (You’re not worthy!)
http://tinyurl.com/8gv8rm
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:29 pm
I think “they both suck” is right.
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:29 pm
Well, it looks like they’ve declared Mission Accomplished and taken their paper dolls and gone home…
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:32 pm
“And the article that he himself linked further refutes his Illogical opinion:”
How so? By citing the opinion of a single law professor? Here (from a FOX article):
“The Utah Supreme Court upheld the law in 2006 as part of an appeal of a polygamist police officer’s 2003 conviction on bigamy and child sex charges. The case began as an investigation into the child sex allegations.
In a dissenting opinion, the chief justice agreed that Utah unfairly applied its bigamy law to polygamists and that it “oversteps the lines protecting the free exercise of religion and the privacy of intimate, personal relationships between consenting adults.”
Some scholars say polygamy should be decriminalized not just on First Amendment or privacy grounds, but because it would help society better regulate families.
Victims of abuse, which some believe is inherent in plural communities, might feel more comfortable seeking assistance if they don’t also fear prosecution, Lyndon State College anthropology professor Janet Bennion said.
“Laws that criminalize polygamy isolate and alienate … it’s not polygamy per se that leads to abuse, that can be present in monogamy,” Bennion said. “We really should allow more freedoms for any kind of alternative marriage.
“If we threaten polygamy, other forms will be threatened, such as gay and lesbian marriage,” she said.”
AND here is a considered legal analysis: http://149.68.16.192/media/3/2a8ac3d3da074712810c0f96de61a1d1.pdf
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:32 pm
Republicans think there’s too much shakin goin on
Silly
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:32 pm
“Well, it looks like they’ve declared Mission Accomplished and taken their paper dolls and gone home…”
I prefer to say we wore ‘em down…again.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:33 pm
Jam, that’s cool I’ll have to ask the guys at the liquor store to order some. I’ve had some 10.5% before and 22 oz should be just about right. Sam Adams “Wee Heavy” is 10% and pretty good for an American beer.
Josef, is that a red? white? I’ll have to check it out. Hard to get me away from the pinot grigio but can’t have it ALL the time.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:36 pm
“TC, polygamy is a choice. There’s nobody out there who is only attracted to multiple wives, or husbands for that matter. It’s simply legitimizing infidelity.”
It is a choice but many would argue with your contention that it is “simply legitimizing infidelity.”
“That’s completely different from people who are gay. People who are gay do not chose to be gay.”
I disagree, but please indicate why you think this is so.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:36 pm
Eat that high regulation cons
If people want to get it on, and then make themselves miserable with marriage, that’s their mistake
Personal responsibility 101
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:36 pm
Oh, dear….
He’s baaaaack!
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:37 pm
“John Edwards, bill Clinton, Lyndon Johnson, JFK, FDR, all beg to differ”
LOL
Amazing
May 31st, 2012
9:37 pm
All the comments by Republicans about how the liberal media gives Democrats a free pass. They seem to conveniently forget the free pass Fox News and its ilk gave Vitter, Ensign or Bush’s Sec of Housing Jackson. The Republican media is just as biased as the liberal media. Republicans need to stop being hypocritical about media bias!
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:38 pm
DON’T FORGET
An ass-kicking red…
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:38 pm
Why can’t I walk down the street with a beer?
That has to be among the dumbest laws.
Especially if it’s a good beer.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:40 pm
Towncrier
Democrat presidents have a hard time keeping their peckers on a leash
Republican presidents are generally better, but not perfect
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
May 31st, 2012
9:42 pm
Josef, please give Un a hug for me.
Signed, G O D
I did go to that, but ear thingies are not working too well. Did get that the G O D got the better of the wimpy guy.
Am I the only one who saw the unicorn story? Okay, will Google.
If you & Un ever get to Smyrna (why would you ever), let me know.
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:42 pm
TOWN CRIER
Yeah, I got up one morning and said, lemme see what I can do to bring out the hate mongers full force with a target on my tea cup ass…
A Jewish mother and a Catholic education didn’t put THAT much martyrdom (or for that matter, guilt!) into my Weltanschauung…
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
9:42 pm
How so? By citing the opinion of a single law professor?
And then you do what exactly? Cite a professor.
Victims of abuse, which some believe is inherent in plural communities, might feel more comfortable seeking assistance if they don’t also fear prosecution, Lyndon State College anthropology professor Janet Bennion said.
Too funny.
One more time, your opinion that the acceptance of gay marriage can logically lead to the acceptance of polygamy is neither logical nor based on any factual information.
But you have worked very hard to convince yourself that you’ve somehow produced evidence thereof.
You have not.
Keep trying…
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:42 pm
“Democrat presidents have a hard time keeping their peckers on a leash…”
I know, but you won’t here many liberals bashing them for their adulterous behavior. I will. That is also one of the main beefs I have with Newt and some others in the GOP.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:44 pm
“And then you do what exactly? Cite a professor.”
Exactly…to show YOU how silly your “refutation” was. Read the legal analysis, written by someone I would not characterize as conservative. You will at least see in that document the plausibility of what I’ve argued.
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:46 pm
G-MARE
Will do…
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:46 pm
“One more time, your opinion that the acceptance of gay marriage can logically lead to the acceptance of polygamy is neither logical nor based on any factual information.”
It is a very real logical possibility. I am saying it can well happen. You are denying the possibility. Guess who is right?
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:46 pm
“That is also one of the main beefs I have with Newt and some others in the GOP”
Sure…because you’re here CONSTANTLY berating “Newt and some others” for their behavior. Right?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:47 pm
Obama should smoke up before giving his nomination speech
Then he can speak freely about legalizing gay marriage, polygamy, and smokin
Free your mind (again) mr president
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:48 pm
I disagree, but please indicate why you think this is so.
That’s simple. I’m straight and I’ve always known I was. I have many friends who are men but I’m simply not attracted to them in “that way”. So when I meet a gay person I can only conclude that they did not “choose” to be that way since I didn’t choose to be the way I am. Being bi may be another matter but that’s not the subject here and, really I would think that anyone who thinks it is a choice is likely bi.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:48 pm
“Sure…because you’re here CONSTANTLY berating “Newt and some others” for their behavior. Right?”
Read through my posts over the months. I don’t do it constantly, nor do I constantly “berate” (as you put it) anything.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:48 pm
Try convincing newt polygamy is a choice….. He and Billy C sing from the same hymnal
Probably a Mormon hymnal
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:48 pm
“You are denying the possibility”
I haven’t seen anyone herre deny the possiblity that polygamy might be recognized. Only the assertion that gay marriage will LEAD TO polygamy being recognized.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:49 pm
Next on the gay rights list: child support
Oy, what are they thinking?
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:49 pm
“That’s simple. I’m straight and I’ve always known I was. I have many friends who are men but I’m simply not attracted to them in “that way”. So when I meet a gay person I can only conclude that they did not “choose” to be that way since I didn’t choose to be the way I am. ”
So how do you explain the orientation then? Are they born that way?
JamVet
May 31st, 2012
9:50 pm
You post a legal document that is 34 pages long and tell me to read it!
Shirley, you jest?
Hell, you haven’t even read it.
Otherwise you would just cut to the chase and prove your point – that the acceptance of gay marriage can logically lead to the acceptance of polygamy.
You can’t because you cannot find it in that document or anywhere else…
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:50 pm
Also on the gay rights agenda: the right to pay a divorce attorney 20% of all they own
Mind blowing
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:50 pm
“I don’t do it constantly, nor do I constantly “berate” (as you put it) anything”
Sure, just as WE don’t constantly talk about the sins of past Democratic Presidents. Goose and Gander I think.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:51 pm
TC, just start an anti-polygamy amendment movement. That one might actually go through.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:51 pm
“Hell, you haven’t even read it.”
I did read through it. I am not saying read it this moment, but please do so.
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
9:51 pm
Don’t Forget
Both, tried a new beer the other day. It’s called Arrogant Bastar(d). It’s pretty good.
Are you worthy???
————————–
They BOTH
You can buy AB here in the metro area. I get my stash from a spot in Fairburn.
————————–
JamVet
I haven’t gotten my hands on the Double yet. I’ve had the Russian Stout though. That one’s good too, and I’m not a real big fan of stouts.
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:52 pm
“So how do you explain the orientation then? Are they born that way?”
How do you explain YOUR orientation? Were you born that way?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:52 pm
Gay marriage WILL lead to a lot of things
Like a bunch of unhappy gay folks
But probably not any population growth
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
9:53 pm
josef and jam
Almost forgot………. Drove by the synagogue and school in Morningside today…..
They had a sign that read “There is a new Shearith in town”
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:53 pm
“Sure, just as WE don’t constantly talk about the sins of past Democratic Presidents. Goose and Gander I think.”
Can you point me to any post – even one – by a liberal “berating” the adulteries of those presidents?
They BOTH suck
May 31st, 2012
9:53 pm
Bro
Thx. Will check it out
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:54 pm
So how do you explain the orientation then? Are they born that way?
Yes. Although I suspect it’s more congenital than genetic but that’s just my suspicion.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:54 pm
” Were you born that way?”
Nope I like women
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:54 pm
“How do you explain YOUR orientation? Were you born that way?”
Answer my question and I’ll answer yours.
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:55 pm
“Yes. Although I suspect it’s more congenital than genetic but that’s just my suspicion.”
How about pedophiles?
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:56 pm
“Can you point me to any post – even one – by a liberal “berating” the adulteries of those presidents”
I wouldn’t even bother to try. They’re old history, with no relevence…and any indignation I feel, or anyone feels, about their behavior is meaningless.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:56 pm
“adulteries”?
Please. That is so anti polygamist and polygophobic
We prefer the truth: we are men of many women
Please be a little more PC in the future
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:57 pm
“They’re old history, with no relevence…”
When does a president’s behavior become irrelevant…how many years must pass?
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
9:57 pm
all males are born
homosexual. society
imprints them to breed.
josef
May 31st, 2012
9:58 pm
I don’t presuppose to speak for all gay people when I say this, but I cannot recall a time in my life when I wasn’t conscious of being “different.” What that difference was in the sexual arena came as part and parcel of my entire coming to terms with sexuality itself.
I was lucky (blessed?) to have a good family with plenty of brothers, cousins, uncles, granddaddy, etc. that kept watch over me and kept me safe from the, well, the closet cases and perverts…
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:58 pm
“Yes. Although I suspect it’s more congenital than genetic but that’s just my suspicion”
and I don’t think it’s an either/or situation. I think there can be many explanations for someone being, or not being, gay. It’s basically none of my business what their attraction is. That is private for them just as it should be private for me.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2012
9:58 pm
Bro, Alpha Dog is pretty good too. I’ll be trying “Delerium Tremens” soon. (left it at GF’s house)
Krispy Kreme
May 31st, 2012
9:59 pm
Ya’ll are still arguing?
Krispy Kreeeeeeeeme….and DJ Mac Miller
whooop woooo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plPsnWFng0w
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
9:59 pm
“I don’t presuppose to speak for all gay people when I say this, but I cannot recall a time in my life when I wasn’t conscious of being “different.” What that difference was in the sexual arena came as part and parcel of my entire coming to terms with sexuality itself.”
So, how about pedophiles?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
9:59 pm
“When does a president’s behavior become irrelevant…how many years must pass?”
Given Obama himself is still campaigning against Bush, it is obviously a minimum of four
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
9:59 pm
“How about pedophiles?”
Interesting in the extreme how quickly the anti-gay marriage crowd makes the jump to pedophilia.
TaxPayer
May 31st, 2012
10:00 pm
Fair’s Fair is gonna just make disease carrying bugs illegal. Why didn’t I think of that!
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:00 pm
Krispy!
What up?
Whoop whoop!!
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:00 pm
“When does a president’s behavior become irrelevant…how many years must pass”
Depends on how long the effects of that behavior last.
givememyfairshare
May 31st, 2012
10:01 pm
If all states acknowledged civil unions as legal for man\woman, man\man, woman\woman – could we then leave the definition of marriage as it’s always been – between one man and one woman?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:01 pm
Can I get a whoop whoop?!
Yeah….
Less bakin, more shakin
Towncrier
May 31st, 2012
10:02 pm
“I think there can be many explanations for someone being, or not being, gay.”
There are, in fact. But is someone is claiming there is not choice involved, then why doesn’t that also apply to pedophiles or others abnormally “oriented”?
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:02 pm
Giveme
Nein!
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2012
10:02 pm
I’ve said this before, but maybe since it’s on topic i’ll mention it again.
Jay never trusted Edwards; he seems to have had him sussed as a phony from the word go (i believe he’d interviewed the guy back in 2004 and wasn’t impressed).
During the primary battles of 2008, Edwards was the only populist running, and I actually early-voted for him in the primary. Not because I thought he had much of a shot, but I thought it would send a message to the corporatists (Hillary and Barack) who were leading in the polls at the time. Of course Edwards dropped out before Super Tuesday, somewhat shockingly at the time, of course now we know why.
I guess I wouldn’t go as far as Roy Barnes in my assessment of this very flawed individual, but obviously I’m pretty pissed off that Edwards put himself in a position where, had he managed to win the nomination, he would’ve been destroyed by what McCain’s team surely would’ve found out.
He’s still fairly young, plenty of time to redeem himself as a human being. Hope he stays hell and gone from politics, and sticks to advocating for the people he claimed to care about, four years ago.
Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)
May 31st, 2012
10:03 pm
“If all states acknowledged civil unions as legal for man\woman, man\man, woman\woman – could we then leave the definition of marriage as it’s always been – between one man and one woman?”
No. Because that would mean rewriting the entirety of all laws pertaining to marriage that are currently on the books. It’s easier, quicker, and cheaper to just define marriage as a legal contract between two consenting adults. Then all of those laws would apply to all legal marriages.
Fair's fair
May 31st, 2012
10:03 pm
Bros before hos
Until you’re married