Fox News lets the mask slip once again
This is not a Romney campaign ad. Not technically anyway.
It is a video produced by the Fox News Channel as a news product, a “fair and balanced” review of the Obama presidency to date. It was broadcast on the channel this morning.
Twice.
Since then, it has become such an embarrassment that Fox has made it vanish from its website.
UPDATE: The Fox PR folks emailed, asking that the following response be posted:
“The package that aired on FOX & Friends was created by an associate producer and was not authorized at the senior executive level of the network. This has been addressed with the show’s producers.”
–Bill Shine, Executive Vice President of Programming, FOX News Channel
– Jay Bookman
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Adam
May 31st, 2012
8:22 am
Going back to the topic and the first page, I find it CRAZY that people think CNN is liberal. The same station that repeatedly gives more time and attention to the Tea Party wing of the right than any other aspect of politics, the same station that blasted our minds with 24 hour coverage of the wars and how awesome we were doing when we were invading Iraq, the same station that has Wolf Blitzer and Erin Burnett – BOTH CONSERVATIVE…. Yet the evidence seems to be either “They’re not Fox” or “They don’t agree with Fox 100% of the time and anything that isn’t 100% conservative at all times is LIBRUL”
Wake up, people. There is no “mainstream” liberal media. The media is largely conservative. And I have pointed this out with FACTS repeatedly and the best I get out of you guys when I do that each time is “You must be wrong because *I* believe that the media is liberal.”
How about this: You make the contention the media is liberal. PROVE IT.
I’ll wait.
Whatever jay!!
May 31st, 2012
8:22 am
I meant taxpayer on the above question on foxs three lies
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
May 31st, 2012
8:23 am
Granny, you’re finally coming around with regards to this guy. Congrats.
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
8:23 am
But why would we expect Liberals to understand that. Barry has spent 5 trillion and they want to give him more.
I can’t answer for Liberals, but you seem to forget one little Constitutional nugget. Appropriations begin in the House. Since the election of 2010, that chamber has been under GOP control. Any “spending” that Obama has done was approved by the GOP, therefore, it’s not just his spending. Since you want to be “fair and balanced” about things. I love how Reagan’s spending is blamed on his Democratic Congress, yet nary a peep about the GOP House when it comes to Obama’s. I wonder why?
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
May 31st, 2012
8:26 am
Adam…………..I’ve read you on here. I know you are smarter than that……………But bent so far to the left you may end up coming around full circle.
TiredOfIt
May 31st, 2012
8:26 am
“Blah blah blah Taxpayer why does Fox News irritate u libs so much is it because they r Number 1?”
Doesn’t that make them the mainstream media?
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2012
8:27 am
I wrote the piece was not news. Is that not honesty?
Oh, sure. And, kudos.
My issue was with your assertion that MSNBC was “a political agenda posing as a news station.” I think that’s not accurate at all. MSNBC does not claim objectivity, Fox News, repeatedly, does, and I thought it was dishonest to try to draw equivalence between the two outfits.
I don’t expect you to agree with MSNBC. Heck, a lot of the time I roll my eyes at what’s on there, myself–there are really only two shows I like, Chris Hayes’ and Rachel’s, and I catch both only intermittently these days.
hope that’s clear now. I’m not calling you a liar, if that’s what you thought.
TaxPayer
May 31st, 2012
8:28 am
PIPA’s study of misinformation in the 2010 election didn’t just show that Fox News viewers were more misinformed than viewers of other channels. It also showed that watching more Fox made believing in nine separate political misperceptions more likely. And that was a unique effect, unlike any observed with the other news channels that were studied. “With all of the other media outlets, the more exposed you were, the less likely you were to have misinformation,” explains PIPA’s director, political psychologist Steven Kull. “While with Fox, the more exposure you had, in most cases, the more misinformation you had. And that is really, in a way, the most powerful factor, because it strongly suggests they were actually getting the information from Fox.”
And those Fox “News” viewers are so willingly brainwashed.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 31st, 2012
8:29 am
I’m a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with…cause we’re smart and they are not
May 31st, 2012
8:23 am
Congrats right back at ya’, you remain just plain silly
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
8:29 am
Adam
Isn’t CNN that same channel where Erick Erikson gets camera time constantly and Breitbart editor Dana Loesch is a regular?
Thomas
May 31st, 2012
8:30 am
I miss Cynthia Tucker who lives every minute being fair and balanced.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 31st, 2012
8:31 am
they r Number 1?
in a small subset yes, but 30 or so more million people are watching
something more substantial.
you do understand the word subset right? media….broadcast…cable…
too much for you?
willie lynch
May 31st, 2012
8:31 am
Hasn’t Rupert Murdoch’s crumbling criminal enterprise already been exposed? Enough said.
lynnie gal
May 31st, 2012
8:32 am
Fox viewers are the most uninformed viewers on political FACTS than viewers of any other news station. MSNBC has intelligent, research-based news (especially Rachel Maddow)
Peter
May 31st, 2012
8:32 am
FOX News the GOP station, never really any thoughts about being able to show the news, just their agenda.
Milo83
May 31st, 2012
8:37 am
Take a break, Bookman. We police our own so you don’t have to.
From the WSJ: Fox programming executive vice president Bill Shine said the video was created by an associate producer and wasn’t authorized at the network’s senior level. He said senior executives wouldn’t have approved it and that the matter was addressed with the show’s producers.
Ed Morrissey, of the conservative media blog Hot Air, questioned the video even though he wrote, “I don’t disagree with much, if anything” that it says.
“If anyone wanted to look for evidence that the overall Fox News organization intends to campaign against Obama rather than cover the campaign, this video would be difficult to refute as evidence for that claim,” Mr. Morrissey wrote.
TaxPayer
May 31st, 2012
8:37 am
In summary, then, the “science” of Fox News clearly shows that its viewers are more misinformed than the viewers of other stations, and are indeed this way for ideological reasons… the Fox “effect” probably occurs both because the station churns out falsehoods that conservatives readily accept—falsehoods that may even seem convincing to some liberals on occasion—but also because conservatives are overwhelmingly inclined to choose to watch Fox to begin with.
At the same time, it’s important to note that they’re also disinclined to watch anything else. Fox keeps constantly in their minds the idea that the rest of the media are “biased” against them, and conservatives duly respond by saying other media aren’t worth watching—it’s just a pack of lies. According to Public Policy Polling’s annual TV News Trust Poll (the 2011 run), 72 percent of conservatives say they trust Fox News, but they also say they strongly distrust NBC, ABC, CBS and CNN. Liberals and moderates, in contrast, trust all of these outlets more than they distrust them (though they distrust Fox). This, too, suggests conservative selective exposure.
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2012
8:39 am
Isn’t CNN that same channel where Erick Erikson gets camera time
Erick Erikson? The guy who just three years ago referred to the then-retiring Supreme Court Justice Stevens as a “goat-f#cking child molester”? Why yes.
And it’s not just “camera time.” Erikson is a paid CNN contributor.
Butch Cassidy
May 31st, 2012
8:39 am
Bro – “I love how Reagan’s spending is blamed on his Democratic Congress, yet nary a peep about the GOP House when it comes to Obama’s. I wonder why?”
Because if they actually knew anything about the appropriations process and who authorizes spending, their argument about Obama being the “Spender in Chief” would fall apart.
Whatever jay!!
May 31st, 2012
8:40 am
Lynie gal u r kidding right that girl is a habitual liar she will tell u half the story the half that proves her point but not the whole story msnbc is a editing joke cutting and splicing the lunatic channel and ed schultz fighting for the unions what a fraud the unions pay him 150k per year for seminars and other bs which obviously goes mostly for favorable coverage u guys who watch msnbc and think tere is muc truth r being hoodwinked
kayaker 71
May 31st, 2012
8:41 am
No liberal comment on what part of this evil video is not true. I didn’t seem much to disagree with. But killing the messenger always works. Helps to cover up the truth.
Doggone/GA
May 31st, 2012
8:41 am
“they r Number 1?”
No, they are not. They are the number 1 news CABLE Channel. They are consistently and constantly beaten by the prodcast news. They are only “number 1″ in a very limited audience.
Peadawg
May 31st, 2012
8:42 am
“I miss Cynthia Tucker who lives every minute being fair and balanced.”
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Busting the Obama 'birther' conspiracy
May 31st, 2012
8:42 am
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2#/video/politics/2012/05/31/ac-tuchman-birther-conspiracy-theory.cnn
Cosby
May 31st, 2012
8:42 am
Hmm….pick and choose ..why not pick out some of the dumbness on CNN, ABC, CBS or even the biased AJC….Fox is Hated by all other media outlets so lets take them out Sal Alinsky style. But all you Obama nuts…remember living on the government plantation may not be that nice..see Government housing, See Goavenemnt Schools, See Government food stamps Gee when will you people realize what is happening…and for all who are doing well, wait until your utility bill goes viral after all the coal plants and coal production are shut down by Obama, and oil goes viral due to no drilling, but wait Obama did invest over half a trillion dolars in green energy…but wait they went bankrupt…..In God We Trust In Government We Fear
JohnnyReb
May 31st, 2012
8:44 am
stands – the thought of you calling me a liar never entered my mind. I will rethink MSNBC as perhaps it is unfair to compare them to Fox. There is no doubt Fox is biased, but they do have opposing views often. Fox and Friends crossed the line with the piece in question.
One last thing on MSNBC – they should change their slogan to “the place for Liberal politics.”
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2012
8:44 am
I apologize for the error @ 8.39–it was Justice Souter, not Stevens, that Erick Erikson called a “goat-f#cking child molester”.
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2012
8:45 am
“the place for Liberal politics.”
well, they have had “Lean Forward” as a slogan for awhile; I always took that as code for “We’re progressive,” for what that’s worth.
JohnnyReb
May 31st, 2012
8:45 am
Thomas
May 31st, 2012
8:30 am
I miss Cynthia Tucker who lives every minute being fair and balanced
________
That’s a good one.
TaxPayer
May 31st, 2012
8:45 am
And there is an even more telling study of “Fox-only” behavior among conservatives, from Stanford’s Shanto Iyengar and Kyu Hahn of Yonsei University, in Seoul, South Korea. They conducted a classic left-right selective exposure study, giving members of different ideological groups the chance to choose stories from a news stream that provided them with a headline and a news source logo—Fox, CNN, NPR, and the BBC—but nothing else. The experiment was manipulated so that the same headline and story was randomly attributed to different news sources… Republicans and conservatives overwhelmingly chose Fox for hard news and even for soft news, and ignored other sources. “The probability that a Republican would select a CNN or NPR report was around 10%,” wrote the authors.
Bias! What bias! Ha Ha Ha. You Fox “News” viewers are such a riot.
Union
May 31st, 2012
8:47 am
msnbc – lean forward
obama – forward
hmmm.. i think their slogan says it all..
TaxPayer
May 31st, 2012
8:47 am
No liberal comment on what part of this evil video is not true. I didn’t seem much to disagree with. But killing the messenger always works. Helps to cover up the truth.
Fox pulled their own video made by their own people.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
May 31st, 2012
8:48 am
Fair and balanced…
Many people here forget that Jays blog is an OPINION blog and many of us here agree with his opinions. Many of us here disagree and think we are idiots for agreeing. While we who agree with jay think the non-believers are idiots too.
It couldn’t be any more fair and balanced here…
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2012
8:48 am
and yeah, MSNBC is mostly liberal, although I think a fair number of their shows either lean somewhat right (Joe Scarboro, who has three hours every morning) or try to be fairly neutral (Andrea Mitchell? Don’t see much of her show, I assume she tries to play it down the middle.)
And I don’t know what you call their “Lockup” and other cheezy docu/reality things they run later in the evenings and on weekends. (Besides “lousy”, I mean.)
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
May 31st, 2012
8:49 am
Union
May 31st, 2012
8:47 am
Yes, forward instead of backward…a refreshing concept to me…
Adam
May 31st, 2012
8:49 am
Brosephus: Isn’t CNN that same channel where Erick Erikson gets camera time constantly and Breitbart editor Dana Loesch is a regular?
And there’s that.
Really even the conservative bloggers thought this one was out of line. But hey, if you guys want to feel content in how right you are and how you can just make reality whatever you want it to be, go ahead. Your bubble or big tent or whatever you call it will get smaller and smaller and you’ll just say “see? everyone else is insane but we inside this ever shrinking tent are sane!” I mean, really, good luck with that.
Butch Cassidy
May 31st, 2012
8:50 am
Taxpayer – “Fox pulled their own video made by their own people.”
I heard it was because the FOX News headquarters was stormed by a band of liberals and were threatened with higher taxes if they didn’t remove the piece. I know it must be true, I heard it on Hannity.
curious
May 31st, 2012
8:50 am
I’m a Democrat. Served in the Army from Nixon through Clinton. I always thought I supported the military regardless of which party was in power. The only time I can definitely remember people disrespecting the military in large numbers was during the Vietnam War. How many of those folks are Liberals or Conservatives today can be argued, but I’d bet there is a mix. Was Cheney, Gingrich, etal any different than the ones protesting? There’s a lot of dead soldiers that carried their water because they had more important things to do. Letting someone else die in your place is what I call disrespect.
In my opinion, real disrespect is those that could have served, didn’t serve, and wrap themselves in the flag. Bottom line is they didn’t care enough about the country or their countrymen to pitch in and help out. All they need to do is look in the mirror and ask themselves “Where was I when my country needed me?”
Just like the Medal of Honor, the term “Hero” should be reserved for a select few that distinguish themselves on the battlefield. Getting killed is not a qualifier, although we need to be grateful for their sacrifice.
Adam
May 31st, 2012
8:52 am
No liberal comment on what part of this evil video is not true. I didn’t seem much to disagree with. But killing the messenger always works. Helps to cover up the truth.
You saw nothing you disagree with – not a surprise.
You equate your agreement to “the truth” – also not a surprise. (In layman’s terms, what you have done here is assume that what you believe and what you’ve been told repeatedly by campaigns you like is true, without examining it)
Rickster
May 31st, 2012
8:53 am
So Jay… are you upset over the fact that Fox News put together the video? Or are you upset that everything they point out in the video (debt increasing, food stamp rolls increasing, gas prices increasing, unemployment increasing, etc.) is true?
Adam
May 31st, 2012
8:54 am
Also not a surprise – that after 9 pages you still don’t see how anyone has pointed out a falsehood in the video.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
May 31st, 2012
8:55 am
Rickster
May 31st, 2012
8:53 am
Another one of the “other” Republicans…
Gm
May 31st, 2012
8:56 am
Fox is only stupid as there viewers, fox and the anti Americans viewers dont like the truth, no where in the ad did it show wall street had 3 weeks below average and on the verge of collaps when Obama took over, now they are breaking records, Ceo’s are making record profits yet these idiots say Obama is a job killer, this crap only works with the poor angery whites who can not research.
Sean Hannity is the worst piece of scum, this racist 3 times college drop out would stoop to any level to disgrace the President of the United States and the first Lady, yet these bigots run around talking about they are Americians.
Mick
May 31st, 2012
8:57 am
curious
Strong words and true!!!
Union
May 31st, 2012
8:57 am
@normal..
i am all about forward as well.. just not sure we are currently headed in that direction..
@taxpayer
seriously with the fox study? this dumped into a book by a guy that writes a book “republicans are stupid” i give that as much credibility as the birthers
Adam
May 31st, 2012
8:57 am
Rickster: Or are you upset that everything they point out in the video (debt increasing, food stamp rolls increasing, gas prices increasing, unemployment increasing, etc.)
Actually, more than half that list is NOT true.
Unemployment has been decreasing for some time now: Source: BLS
Gas Prices have been decreasing and are lower than they were at this point last year: Source: GasBuddy
Food stamp rolls are DECREASING. Source: New York’s Human Resources Administration
TiredOfIt
May 31st, 2012
8:58 am
“Take a break, Bookman. We police our own so you don’t have to.”
I thought you guys where against regulations?
JohnnyReb
May 31st, 2012
9:00 am
No challenge to Thomas’ comment on Tucker being the likely funny of the day, but I am getting a good chuckle from the posts trying to prove CNN is not liberal. CNN has gone to the way of Air America but managed to barely survive.
One lesson would be that Liberals may not be the best judge of what is Liberal.
Adam
May 31st, 2012
9:00 am
Union: seriously with the fox study?
Yes. See, it’s not the only study that’s been done on this, and the results are very similar each time: Fox News viewers are less informed than people who don’t watch any news at all. You must have missed the study from last year in an article that tried to be balanced by saying MSNBC viewers were misinformed about some things. (Hint: they were still better informed than Fox News viewers, but the “fair and balanced” article left that part out).
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
9:01 am
And it’s not just “camera time.” Erikson is a paid CNN contributor.
dB
I didn’t wanna overwhelm the non-thinkers with actual facts. From some of the reactions here, they don’t respond too well when such things are exposed to them.
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Butch
What is it about the truth that some people refuse to acknowledge and/or face??
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No liberal comment on what part of this evil video is not true. I didn’t seem much to disagree with.
No conservative comment on how that video represents Fox’s “Fair and Balanced” tagline either, which is Jay’s premise on this topic. However, there’s been a Burning Strawman Festival going on here about how apparently Jay’s accusing the video of being inaccurate.
Adam
May 31st, 2012
9:01 am
TiredOfIt: “Take a break, Bookman. We police our own so you don’t have to.”
I thought you guys where against regulations?
This is called “self regulation.” Perfectly consistent. They do whatever they want because they will undoubtedly know how best to police their own actions.
ragnar danneskjold
May 31st, 2012
9:01 am
Silly essay, as if MSNBC does not regularly do puff pieces on the Oval Office Occupier. A leftist is someone who thinks CNN is objective. I the the Jeopardy question to this answer is “Who is Dan Lothian?”
TaxPayer
May 31st, 2012
9:01 am
In other words Fox News is both deceiver and enabler simultaneously. First, its existence creates the opportunity for conservatives to exercise their biases, by selecting into the Fox information stream, and also by imbibing Fox-style arguments and claims that can then fuel biased reasoning about politics, science, and whatever else comes up.
But at the same time, it’s also likely that conservatives, tending to be more closed-minded and more authoritarian, have a stronger emotional need for an outlet like Fox, where they can find affirmation and escape from the belief challenges constantly presented by the “liberal media.” Their psychological need for something affirmative is probably stronger than what’s encountered on the opposite side of the aisle—as is their revulsion towards allegedly liberal (but really centrist) media outlets.
Well there is that.
kayaker 71
May 31st, 2012
9:03 am
I listen to NPR every day, right after Rush. It is always good to get a different slant on things political…. you know, it’s good to know the enemy as well as you can. Most every commentary interview show between 3:00 and 5:00 when All Things Considered starts, is liberal commentary starting with Teri Gross and ending with Diane Rheme. In all of my years of listening to these shows, I have never listened to a conservative being interview on any of these shows or heard a reporter being interviewed that was not from the New York Times or the Washington Post. Their bias, is however, more subtle than Fox’s piece. It’s not an in your face commentary like the one on Fox, just innuendo, jokes and laughs about the right and intellectual snobbery. The arrogance is palpable and you get the feeling that they are up on some kind of pedestal looking down on the common man and making proclamations that could not possible be untrue or even biased. Just the truth. I would not kill the messenger with them any more than I would with Fox but Bookman, as usual, is telling only half of the story.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 31st, 2012
9:04 am
LIBERALS CRY FOR FAIRNESS AND JUSTICE
P-Diddy who is worth $500 million has a son who gets a full ride scholarship to UCLA………… yet the liberals aren’t crying over the poor americans who can’t afford to get a college education because the LIBERAL UNIVERSITES have jacked prices to afford their hypocritacal 1% lifestyle.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/rich-kids-ineligible-college-scholarships-103500285.html
Adam
May 31st, 2012
9:07 am
Brosephus: However, there’s been a Burning Strawman Festival going on here about how apparently Jay’s accusing the video of being inaccurate.
Whether or not Jay says it, the video IS inaccurate. First and foremost it is not accurately represented as a fair and balanced review of Obama’s Presidency. For instance, Osama bin Laden isn’t mentioned AT ALL. Not even to try to take credit away from him.
2) Gas prices are going down, not up, and the President (no matter who it is) is not responsible for gas prices.
3) Unemployment rates (all of the ones measured, including discouraged workers or part time workers who want full time) are going down
4) Food stamp enrollment is decreasing over time
The video makes claims to the contrary in all of the above. They even clip Obama in with statements to make it appear as though he is increasing gas prices himself, increasing food stamps himself, and increasing unemployment himself – all on purpose.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 31st, 2012
9:07 am
this country has made racial progress in that african americans have proven they can be just as greedy, idiotic and slimy as whites
http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/critics-suspicious-of-school-1449577.html
there is equality after all
Talking Head
May 31st, 2012
9:08 am
Wow, a media outlet with an opinion against the current POTUS! Shocker! Nothing like this ever went down when Bush was POTUS from other media outlets, no sir ree bob.
I can’t wait till this election cycle is over.
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
9:08 am
P-Diddy who is worth $500 million has a son who gets a full ride scholarship to UCLA…………
WEALTH ENVY!!!!!!!!
Adam
May 31st, 2012
9:09 am
Silly essay, as if MSNBC does not regularly do puff pieces on the Oval Office Occupier.
Let me explain why Tu Quoque doesn’t work: Because even if MSNBC didn’t exist, Fox News would STILL be a right wing organization with right wing views as a GOP propaganda machine. You have no defense against that, so you act like the people you disagree with ought to play by different rules than your own side does, and call that “fair and balanced.”
Corey
May 31st, 2012
9:09 am
Peadawg
May 31st, 2012
8:42 am
Will some of you Republicans please explain to Peadawg for once and for all the role of an opinion writer? Peadawg, opinion writers write opinions. Opinions are by definition are never fair and balanced.
Adam
May 31st, 2012
9:11 am
Talking Head: Nothing like this ever went down when Bush was POTUS from other media outlets, no sir ree bob.
I’m sure you have examples of campaign videos against Bush that topped 4 minutes and contained nothing but attacks, aired by a News Organization during non-commerical time – TWICE.
Go on. Show me. I’ll wait.
Or you could just admit you made a false equivalence there.
kayaker 71
May 31st, 2012
9:12 am
Cory, 9:09,
The mark of a good opinion writer is to leave out the part that doesn’t support your position. And Bookman is a master at that.
Peadawg
May 31st, 2012
9:13 am
“Peadawg, opinion writers write opinions. Opinions are by definition are never fair and balanced.”
I get that. I’m not sure what you’re problem w/ my post is. I was responding to another blogger on here.
Mary Elizabeth
May 31st, 2012
9:14 am
Any war, which causes so much destruction, should be questioned by thinking citizens. Below is one example why – a partial repost of a previous post. I would remind readers that VP Dick Cheney did not serve in the military during the Vietnam War.
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Mary Elizabeth
May 25th, 2012, 10:06 am
From the book “Family of Secrets” by investigative journalist Russ Baker, pp. 427 – 428:
“The public would soon learn that as Halliburton chief executive, Cheney had grown used to calling the shots. The full extent of Cheney’s clout would not become apparent for years, in part because of his extraordinary penchant for secrecy. . .
Practically the first thing Cheney did when he took office was to convene a secretive energy task force whose advisers would meet with officials from the oil and energy industry.12 It soon became clear that securing additional oil reserves and projecting American power in oil-rich regions was the top priority. A lawsuit, filed by Judicial Watch, a conservative group that opposes abuses of government power, unearthed maps of Iraqi oil fields prepared by the task force, along with lists of the American oil companies interested in each field.
At the time, Iraqi oil was under an embargo and controlled by the United Nations as part of the peace accords imposed after the first Gulf War. Yet the documents, dated March 2001, list ‘foreign suitors for Iraqi oilfield contracts’ long before the administration began justifying an invasion of the country. ‘These documents show the importance of the Energy Task Force and why its operations should be open to the public,’ said Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton.13
If Cheny’s interest in Iraqi oil fields seemed speculative at the time, it was no longer so after the September 11 attacks. The administration would turn quickly to manipulating intelligence in order to achieve what had always been its goal.”
Brosephus™
May 31st, 2012
9:15 am
Whether or not Jay says it, the video IS inaccurate.
I don’t have a dog in that fight. My point is to the posters who claim that Jay’s piece is because he’s saying the video is inaccurate. I’m waiting for someone to point to Jay’s exact words or phrase that shows as such. The fact that not a single Fox supporter can show where Jay’s actual premise, in that the video does not match Fox’s “Fair and Balanced” theme, is wrong is quite telling. If the video was indeed “Fair and Balanced” as Fox claims they are, why did the video disappear from their website? Why have they blamed some associate producer for the video? Does Fox News not have editors and/or some hierarchy that’s involved in actually running the business and making business decisions or is their business model akin to a monkey flinging feces against a glass wall?
You're still here?
May 31st, 2012
9:15 am
Boy it’s gotta be tough, actually defending the performance of Obama with a straight face. Now you’re saying the media coverage is too slanted to the other guy, seriously, seriously?
TaxPayer
May 31st, 2012
9:16 am
Come now. Cons know that Obama can only make gas prices go up. Cons know that Obama can only make unemployment go up. Cons know that Obama has nothing to do with the military. Cons know that only Obama is responsible for spending and taxes. After all, they heard it on Fox “News”. Their trusted source of fairly unbalanced entertainment.
You're still here?
May 31st, 2012
9:17 am
when do you think you’ll get flushed out of AJC like the 9th grade level journalist Cynthia Tucker?
godless heathen
May 31st, 2012
9:17 am
Fox News viewers are less informed than people who don’t watch any news at all.
That conclusion right there tells you that the study is bunk. For this to be true, watching Fox News would have to remove information from people’s minds. Is that the claim?
kayaker 71
May 31st, 2012
9:17 am
The truth hurts, does it not?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
May 31st, 2012
9:17 am
Samantha,
Kids of any stripe who earn a scholarship by hard work and good grades deserve them. Wealthy families, whose kids are college qualified, but not eligible for a scholarship should have to pay for their kids education…or co-sign the loans…
Kids of poorer families, who haven’t qualified for a scholarship, but are otherwise eligible for college should have help from the Government to pay for their education. Afterall, an educated nation is best for all concerned.
Peadawg
May 31st, 2012
9:19 am
“Actually, more than half that list is NOT true.” – What part of the video is un-true (besides whether or not the President is responsible for it all…which is the debatable part)??
“Unemployment has been decreasing for some time now: Source: BLS” – Decreasing since Obama was elected? Nope. Decreasing in the past year or so? Yes. But that’s not what the video is arguing.
“Gas Prices have been decreasing and are lower than they were at this point last year: Source: GasBuddy” – Gas is lower now than in 2008 which is what the video was arguing??
“Food stamp rolls are DECREASING. Source: New York’s Human Resources Administration” – Again, food stamps rolls are less now than in 2008 when Obama was elected, which the video is arguing?
It sounds like you’re talking about stuff within the past year while the video talks about stuff since 2008. Blaming it all on Obama is the part that’s no true. Not the 2008 vs. 2012 numbers.
Talking Head
May 31st, 2012
9:19 am
Adam,
Remember the downfall of Dan Rather? Rathergate?
http://mediamythbusters.com/index.php?title=Rathergate
You're still here?
May 31st, 2012
9:21 am
Picture a little girl who didn’t get as big of a piece of cake as her brother and whine out ” that’s not fair, that’s not fair wa wa wa ” That’s what you sound like Jay
The media outlet is not the issue
TaxPayer
May 31st, 2012
9:23 am
That conclusion right there tells you that the study is bunk. For this to be true, watching Fox News would have to remove information from people’s minds. Is that the claim?
Read the entire sequence of posts and find out for yourself what the results of the studies revealed. As for your “claims”, feel free to provide supporting studies for review.
Jay
May 31st, 2012
9:25 am
Still, you seem to have the whining part down pat. The mere existence of a viewpoint that differs from your own seems to offend you greatly. In fact, it might even lead one to think you were a little insecure …
Oh, and by the way. I’ll be here tomorrow, and the day after, and the day after that…
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 31st, 2012
9:26 am
LIBERALS ARE IGNORANT
they rail against the 1%
yet they are led to this ranting by 1%ers who use and abuse the intellectual midgets to get elected
then they defend their liberal 1%ers
i weep for the future
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 31st, 2012
9:28 am
IRONY
jay rails against FOX NEWS who is a profit making corporation who keeps expanding while jay works for the Atlanta Urinal and Constipation which keeps sliding into oblivion as it loses circulation and revenue
ever wonder why cynthia tucker went into teaching?
did she get off the titanic before it sank?
didn’t that great liberal woody allen say those who can’t do, teach?
GT
May 31st, 2012
9:29 am
When news becomes so bias you have to put the reporter into the story as part of the plot. He, or she, is no longer a fly on the wall reporting like a camera the events, but becomes an author sometimes of fiction that decides an outcomes and then reports the event to reach that outcome. At first you do it for the pleasure of winning against a big brother who has always won, then you recreate for the greed of being able at artificialize reality and the money it brings.
In Keith Rupert Murdoch there is a man proven by fact gathered under oath to have exploited the boundaries of journalism for his own ends. It is like a fixed sporting event the outcome fitting the bet, yet not one conservative has a problem with this kind of conduct. They like reality filtered to the room temperature they desire. Their answer to this weak character is, in many cases falsely, the other side does it. Nope the other side was Walter Cronkite telling what historians call the the most trusted information of his time. You in turn invented the Fox Network, to the joy and enrichment of a foreign born owner with no stake in our country, which has become the fold to honest reporting. One thing even Murdock’s money can’t suppress for ever is the truth, if the baby is ugly all the money in the world can’t make it pretty. Like the free market there is a law of nature at work and truth is its highway. Fox and the Tea Party ran off the road a long time ago, and now is sell the smell of a sewer as fresh air and those who have never smelled fresh air are buying it.
Adam
May 31st, 2012
9:29 am
Peadwag: Gas is lower now than in 2008 which is what the video was arguing??
Actually, yes.
Again, food stamps rolls are less now than in 2008 when Obama was elected, which the video is arguing?
I would suspect the answer to this is yes, since they spiked starting in 2008 and have been a wavy line since then. If I can, I will look this up and get back to you.
As for unemployment, within a few months we’ll be able to say it was less than this point in 2008 too. So I guess you can count this as a 1 out of 3, you win, for now situation.
But the video, to be clear, isn’t factually accurate all the way down the line, even on technicalities, as you seem to be implying.
williebkind
May 31st, 2012
9:29 am
“as is their revulsion towards allegedly liberal (but really centrist) media outlets”
LOL, now that is funny as he&&! This is why you should never compromise with liberals. It is better to go down in flames and rise again without liberals. First we kick them all out of the political houses and then we kick them out of colleges. Then the road to recovery will be quick and hearty.
Adam
May 31st, 2012
9:31 am
Talking Head: Remember the downfall of Dan Rather? Rathergate?
Oh right, the one thing that happened that makes it so that the media was always liberal bias, and still is today. gotcha. One isolated example proves a rule now. Good to know.
barking frog
May 31st, 2012
9:31 am
This video is a prime
example of how easily
the Romney campaign
can use Obama’s words
against him just by going
to the video tape.
williebkind
May 31st, 2012
9:32 am
The lower gas prices has nothing to do with Obama. Europes monetary problems is creating the lower cost of gas or is it man made global warming?
Peadawg
May 31st, 2012
9:34 am
“As for unemployment, within a few months we’ll be able to say it was less than this point in 2008 too.”
I agree.
“Actually, yes.” – Gas was less than $2 when Obama was elected, now $3.50. But it was b/c of the recession, which the video doesn’t mention. And the $3.50 is not Obama’s fault.
The video is being purposefully misleading w/ it’s numbers even if they are technically true.
Adam
May 31st, 2012
9:35 am
williebkind: The lower gas prices has nothing to do with Obama.
Saved for future reference when cons begin to make the argument Obama is to blame when gas prices start to rise again.
Adam
May 31st, 2012
9:36 am
Peadawg: Gas was less than $2 when Obama was elected, now $3.50. But it was b/c of the recession, which the video doesn’t mention. And the $3.50 is not Obama’s fault.
Ahhhh but you said in 2008. Peak gas price in 2008 was $4.11 average, and on this exact date in 2008, it was higher then than it is now. In fact, it remained higher than it is now until September of 2008.
So nice try.
Don Abernethy
May 31st, 2012
9:38 am
The Obama networks (NBC,CBS,ABC,CNN,PBS) never make mistakes??? We only have FOX so give us a break. Even FOX is not as conservative as it used to be. All I can say is NOBAMA !!!
Peadawg
May 31st, 2012
9:39 am
“So nice try.” – Yeah you got me on a technicality there.
*polite golf clap*
williebkind
May 31st, 2012
9:45 am
“Saved for future reference when cons begin to make the argument Obama is to blame when gas prices start to rise again”
You missed the jist of the comment, my friend, inspite of Obama’s declaration of war on an oil based economy, the turmoil in Europe has lead to cheaper gas prices for us. Obama is responsible today and will be trepsonisble tomorrow or until he is booted out of office.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
May 31st, 2012
9:47 am
won’t it be funny when cox enterprises sells its media assets (THE AJC) to murdoch and newscorp
Adam
May 31st, 2012
9:57 am
Peadawg: Yeah you got me on a technicality there
You were trying to argue the attack ad was somehow factually correct based on a single technicality (gas prices being way low at the very end of the Bush Presidency) and I gave you a few point-for-point FACTS (this day in 2008, remaining there till Sept 2008, etc).
The bottom line is – FACTS show that gas prices have nothing to do with the President. And any argument made to somehow blame him for it right now fail on MULTIPLE levels, also due to facts. The point here is there is no factual basis AT ALL for arguing that gas prices are up under Obama. It’d be the same as taking the U-3 unemployment rate from March and putting it on the same graph as the U-6 unemployment rate from April, drawing a line between them, to claim gas prices are up under Obama.
Adam
May 31st, 2012
9:59 am
willibkind: Obama is responsible today and will be trepsonisble tomorrow or until he is booted out of office.
If he is responsible today, then how come gas prices are down? In your view, it’s because if gas prices go down then other forces MUST have somehow made that happen, and that if prices go up that means Obama has somehow gotten control again. Convenient logic, that.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
May 31st, 2012
10:00 am
Going to NY in July. I know the government now tells me I now have to get a small drink, but what about cheese on the burger? Is there an agency I can call to see what I can and can’t do?
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
May 31st, 2012
10:03 am
Romney doesn’t need to lie about Obama…..He just needs to turn on the tape of him and his inner circle and enjoy.
Adam
May 31st, 2012
10:05 am
He just needs to turn on the edited tape of him and his inner circle and enjoy.
FYT
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
May 31st, 2012
10:08 am
You wish Adam….with this guy, just play the entire tape……..In facts, it;s probably better that way.
Jerome Horwitz
May 31st, 2012
10:18 am
‘Yakker – You are full of stuff. Listen to Diane Rehm daily and there are MANY times she has conserative commentators on the show. You obviously are a selective listener. Ms. Rehm leans liberal, but, her guests cross the spectrum.
williebkind
May 31st, 2012
10:29 am
Adam:
other forces MUST have somehow made that happen, and that if prices go up that means Obama has somehow gotten control again. Convenient logic, that.