Fox News lets the mask slip once again
This is not a Romney campaign ad. Not technically anyway.
It is a video produced by the Fox News Channel as a news product, a “fair and balanced” review of the Obama presidency to date. It was broadcast on the channel this morning.
Twice.
Since then, it has become such an embarrassment that Fox has made it vanish from its website.
UPDATE: The Fox PR folks emailed, asking that the following response be posted:
“The package that aired on FOX & Friends was created by an associate producer and was not authorized at the senior executive level of the network. This has been addressed with the show’s producers.”
–Bill Shine, Executive Vice President of Programming, FOX News Channel
– Jay Bookman
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josef
May 30th, 2012
9:07 pm
ZamVet
Oh, he’s around, lemme assure you! He’s just changed his name to Jaime Cuervo and moved into the plantation down to 210 Pryor Street…
BOTH
Yep. He speaks well for the benighted Magnolia State. You know Anderson Cooper’s dad is from there, too and Anderson used to spend his summers with his Mississippi family…he’s pretty tetchy when folks take an ignorant swipe at Mississippi, too…must be a sensitive f*ggot thing!
F. Sinkwich
May 30th, 2012
9:08 pm
“You have given me the best advice that I have ever received. You are a wonderful person! Once again thank you.”
You’ve made my day!
I always strive to help my fellow human being.
Please pass along my wisdom to your siblings.
Louisiana
May 30th, 2012
9:09 pm
Okay and tell you dad that I said thanks too!
They BOTH suck
May 30th, 2012
9:10 pm
“must be a sensitive f*ggot thing!
”
hahahahaha
Thulsa Doom
May 30th, 2012
9:10 pm
So then Doomy decides to check out a couple of the ahem “studies” that taxpayer decided to post supposedly showing the ignorance of Fox news viewers. Oh man is this funny.
Well i come to find out on the first of these “studies” that that the study was done by Jon Krosnick and Bo MacInnis. Krosnick is a poly sci professor and a fellow at the “resources for the future”. Check out their website folks. Its an environmental group of course so we know this guy is left wing. His co-author MacInnis is a professor at ultra liberal Cal-Berkley.
So they do this survey PIPA and it turns out that PIPA is funded by The Tides Foundation- a far left progressive 501c group.
I can’t figure out what’s more comical. The far left studies that Taxpayer cites to discredit fox news viewers. Or the fact that taxpayer actually believes these sites are fair and impartial.
Then he quotes an unscientific survey from NBC which is known as the most liberal of the already liberal 3 news networks. It just gets funnier and funnier. And of course I already mentioned taxpayer mentioning far left comedian Jon Stewart as a credible source.
GAWD taxpayer is funny!
Recon 0311 2533
May 30th, 2012
9:10 pm
The right doesn’t suppress minorities the left does. This falsehood about conservatives perpetuated by far-left Democrats is nauseating but some unfortunately believe it to be true and sadly give their votes to a party who wants nothing else from them or for them.
That Black Guy
May 30th, 2012
9:11 pm
TaxPayer
May 30th, 2012
8:56 pm
That Black Guy,
Correct me if I am wrong but I seem to recall you claiming that “they would move that oil using his [Buffett's] trains” so I thought it only natural to call you out for that yarn given that Buffett clearly does not own all the trains that could be used for transporting oil should someone choose to do so, not that your comment really had any bearing whatsoever on my original post though. It was really just a convenient diversion that you decided to throw out. k.
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AND I acknowledged my error.
Now, any comment on the issue that Mr Buffet stands to make a lot of money if the pipeline is not completed?
Do you have any problem with Mr Buffet being so close with the administration and the fact that he benefits from the delay/denial of the completion of the pipeline?
“Now that his State Department has decided to withhold approval for the Keystone XL pipeline that would have delivered millions of barrels of Canadian crude along with tens of thousands of jobs, a likely alternative is to transport that oil via the Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNSF) railroad. That’s the 32,000 mile line with the best north-south infrastructure that Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway purchased a 22% ($34 billion) share of one year after Obama was elected. ”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/01/26/obamas-keystone-rejection-may-provide-a-buffett-bonanza/
Louisiana
May 30th, 2012
9:12 pm
They BOTH suck
May 30th, 2012
9:10 pm
I am laughing so hard that tears are rolling down my face!!!
josef
May 30th, 2012
9:14 pm
Louisiana
@ 9:12
Hunh? Was that sarcasm?
One and out...
May 30th, 2012
9:17 pm
Jay, Jay, Jay… so, given Obama has no record to run on nor a plan to jump start the economy, which category are you using today — deflection, deception, or digression (or name calling)?
I ‘digress’, but remember, at the end of the day the only real question for November 2012 each of us needs to ask ourselves is — am I and/or my family better off today then we were four years ago? Everything else falls under the above 3 D’s…
Louisiana
May 30th, 2012
9:18 pm
Hunh? Was that sarcasm?
________
What do you mean? F. Sinkwich made a very rude remark as if I was locked down so I followed his lead. What are you talking about
josef
May 30th, 2012
9:19 pm
One and out
Am I and my family better off than we were four years ago?
Yep.
F. Sinkwich
May 30th, 2012
9:21 pm
“GAWD taxpayer is funny!”
Have to disagree, Doomy.
Maybe sad. Or pathetic.
josef
May 30th, 2012
9:21 pm
LOUISIANA
The post to BOTH…
See, I was the one who made the “sensitive f*ggot” comment…
That Black Guy
May 30th, 2012
9:23 pm
Jay, I noticed that you havn’t address either of my posts to you today.
That’s ok, I still love you.
In a non-gay way (that’s reserved for josef when I DECIDE to become gay
)
F. Sinkwich
May 30th, 2012
9:23 pm
“F. Sinkwich made a very rude remark…”
Now you hurt my feelings.
Shame on you!
Louisiana
May 30th, 2012
9:23 pm
wrong comment…I was speaking to F. Sinkwich..that is who my conversation has been with.
Soothsayer
May 30th, 2012
9:25 pm
Jury awards $3 million in man’s sex death (AJC)
[T]he Lawrenceville man died on March 12, 2009, while engaging in a threesome with a friend and a woman who was not his wife.
[The doctor] failed to inform the patient to stop all physical activity until the [heart stress] test was completed.
See, now if you die having sex with a buddy and a strange woman, your doctor will have to pay. It’s only right! I mean, somebody’s got to pay.
Soothsayer
May 30th, 2012
9:27 pm
Sinkhole: are you off your meds again?
Recon 0311 2533
May 30th, 2012
9:28 pm
This thread was a goofy topic anyway, so it explains why there’s not much going on that’s interesting. I’ll wish y’all a great evening and catch up tomorrow.
josef
May 30th, 2012
9:28 pm
Louisiana
Got it…no problem.. it’s just that it was addressed to BOTH and was quoting something I had said…BTW your handle is a new one here…are you a newbie?
FORMAL BLACK GUY
He’s been ignoring me pretty much, too…which, given the mood he’s been in, may be a good thing!
That Black Guy
May 30th, 2012
9:29 pm
josef
May 30th, 2012
9:19 pm
One and out
Am I and my family better off than we were four years ago?
Yep.
______________________________________________
Me too.
Man, I get tired of answering this question.
TaxPayer
May 30th, 2012
9:29 pm
Thulsa,
I see you cannot even get the facts straight. The studies found that the Fox viewers are more misinformed, not “ignorant”. Then again, perhaps you choose to exceed expectations and demonstrate that you go well beyond the typical Fox viewer, Doom. Why am I not surprised. I can certainly see why you draw such a steady stream of negative views from other posters. You could always consider watching more Fox “News”. I could help. After all, anything is possible.
josef
May 30th, 2012
9:30 pm
SOOTH
@ 9:25
Now THAT’s news we need to know about!
JamVet
May 30th, 2012
9:31 pm
am I and/or my family better off today then we were four years ago?
Oh gawd yes. In every manner of speaking, yes.
We endured the abysmal Nixon and Reagan, but I pray I will never again see ANYTHING like that Reign of Error, 2000 – 2008, courtesy of the worst president in modern American history…
Soothsayer
May 30th, 2012
9:32 pm
Not to mention “fair and balanced.”
bman
May 30th, 2012
9:35 pm
am I and/or my family better off today then we were four years ago?
Oh gawd yes. In every manner of speaking, yes.
You are in the minority on this one…
TaxPayer
May 30th, 2012
9:35 pm
TBG,
Why would I have a problem with Buffett. I mean, he’s reviled by the right so he’s okay by me. As for him standing to make a profit shipping oil by train, I’m not aware of any contracts that could be referenced to either prove or disprove that claim. Feel free to post something for review if you wish to discuss it further.
Thulsa Doom
May 30th, 2012
9:35 pm
Oh noes. And then Doomy looked up the third of taxpayer’s ahem “studies” and the guy behind it professor Clay Ramsay. Sooooooooo what did Doomy find out? Well now it turns out that Mr. Ramsay also works for the Center on Policy Attitudes. So who funds them? You guessed it! A series of progressive far left groups such as not only the previously mentioned Tides Foundation but also the Compton Foundation, the Joyce foundation, famous limousine liberals Ben & Jerrys foundation, the Americans talks issues foundation, and the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.
Its always funny when a liberal like taxpayer presents completely bogus “studies” and “surveys” financed by far left groups and then tries to pawn these off as being credible studies.
Taxpayer. Your liberal wall of lies just got eviscerated by one big conservative missile of truth.
B
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M
!
Thulsa Doom
May 30th, 2012
9:40 pm
F. Sinkwich,
I dunno. Taxpayer has given me plenty of humor tonight. Every time I look up one of his sources in one of his um ’studies’ showing how misinformed those fox viewers are I just start cracking up when I see a bunch of kook left websites, 501c groups, etc. associated with the authors.
Soothsayer
May 30th, 2012
9:41 pm
Radioactive tuna reach U.S. (AJC)
Now that’s a concert I’m sure going to buy tickets to!
That Black Guy
May 30th, 2012
9:41 pm
Allow me to expand:
Me too.
Man, I get tired of answering this question. NOT that the president had ANYTHING to do with it.
curious
May 30th, 2012
9:42 pm
We are rapidly approaching a situation like Germany in 1933. Lies and more lies.
Don't Forget
May 30th, 2012
9:44 pm
Sooth, that’s Hot Tuna you wanna see, not radioactive tuna
JamVet
May 30th, 2012
9:45 pm
bman true.
But as the the fake football star would tell you, they made some bad decisions and need to quit blaming everyone else!
josef
May 30th, 2012
9:45 pm
SOOTH
Me. too!
FORMAL BLACK GUY
In the economic sphere, not so much, but in the civil rights sphere, yeah, he’s coming around and things are looking up…
Thulsa Doom
May 30th, 2012
9:45 pm
“radioactive tuna?”
No doubt. W is behind this insidious plot .
DwayneL
May 30th, 2012
9:47 pm
Glad to see so many people on here bashing Mr. liberal (bookman). Anyone with a functioning brain can see that the obama presidency has been a complete failure and that he will be embarrassed this November and sent packing to Chicago. That city deserves him! This country deserves better!
Soothsayer
May 30th, 2012
9:48 pm
Yes, but what a great name for a band! Right up there with Widespread Panic and . . . (insert your candidate here).
That Black Guy
May 30th, 2012
9:51 pm
TaxPayer
May 30th, 2012
9:35 pm
TBG,
Why would I have a problem with Buffett. – I didn’t ask if you had a problem with Mr Buffet. I asked if you had a problem with the fact that Mr Buffet has such a close relationship with this administration and stands to make a substantial amount of money from policy decisions of this admin. Kinda like Cheney and Halliburton.
I mean, he’s reviled by the right so he’s okay by me. – The right hates Amadinnerjacket in Iran, does that mean you like him?
As for him standing to make a profit shipping oil by train, I’m not aware of any contracts that could be referenced to either prove or disprove that claim. Feel free to post something for review if you wish to discuss it further. – I trying to research if BNSF has exclusive freight use of the rail lines along that route. But if they do, would you have a problem with the relationship between Mr Buffet and the admin?
Soothsayer
May 30th, 2012
9:52 pm
“No doubt. W is behind this insidious plot.”
No, Doomy, it was a bunch of towel heads what done it!
That Black Guy
May 30th, 2012
9:57 pm
josef
May 30th, 2012
9:45 pm
SOOTH
Me. too!
FORMAL BLACK GUY
In the economic sphere, not so much, but in the civil rights sphere, yeah, he’s coming around and things are looking up…
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True dat, josef, true dat
Soothsayer
May 30th, 2012
9:59 pm
I’m out. Sleep well, all.
TaxPayer
May 30th, 2012
10:03 pm
Thulsa once again proclaims himself to be the weiner and once again I must concur. Too bad there are not many call for your one-handed typing skills, Doom. You’ll have to settle for those insurance sales commissions. Meanwhile, your wall of lies just got a:
B
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Have you ever thought of doing:
D
O
O
M
instead. That would at least demonstrate a little, very little, level of original thought. Give it a try.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 30th, 2012
10:05 pm
Its always funny when a liberal like taxpayer presents completely bogus “studies” and “surveys” financed by far left groups and then tries to pawn these off as being credible studies.
It’s always funny when thelma criticizes liberal sources, yet uses conservative sources like the heritage foundation and conservative op-ed writers like Kyle Wingfield.
TaxPayer
May 30th, 2012
10:07 pm
TBG,
Why deal with if’s when there are so many factual things out there to talk about. For example, the fact that Fox “News” viewers are more misinformed than people that watch no news at all. Thulsa is in denial though as I’m sure most Fox viewers are.
TaxPayer
May 30th, 2012
10:09 pm
It’s always funny when thelma criticizes liberal sources, yet uses conservative sources like the heritage foundation and conservative op-ed writers like Kyle Wingfield.
Doom uses sources to back up his proclamations! Well that would be an improvement over his usual misinformed rants, er, um, I mean, Fox “News” reruns.
Ahem
May 30th, 2012
10:10 pm
I get a thrill up my leg…
Ol' Timer
May 30th, 2012
10:14 pm
The good folks of Georgia will go to the polls in November and cast their vote for Romney just like they cast their votes for Gingrich and with the same net results.
Dang, you’d think we could get it right every once in a while, but we never seem to get the big picture.
bman
May 30th, 2012
10:14 pm
It’s mind-boggling how some of you are still such huge supporters of Obama after these last 3+ years. Romney is the weakest republican candidate that I can remember. Still, somehow…he has a chance to win. Obama, if he were even half as good as many of you believe, should be blowing Romney out of the water. He’s not. And why? There are too many people asking “oops, did i really do that?” back in 2008.
Obama would be better off as a sales executive, or head of some charity.
Mr. Snarky
May 30th, 2012
10:15 pm
Wow! That was really well produced and highly slanted BS. Josef Goebbels would be so proud. Too bad their agenda is so destructive and so many suckers eat it up because they can make digital graphics sing.
Tea Party Meber
May 30th, 2012
10:15 pm
So jay I guess U support the terorists.
That Black Guy
May 30th, 2012
10:16 pm
TaxPayer
May 30th, 2012
10:07 pm
TBG,
Why deal with if’s when there are so many factual things out there to talk about. – Ok, leave out the “if” part of my post and address the rest.
For example, the fact that Fox “News” viewers are more misinformed than people that watch no news at all. Thulsa is in denial though as I’m sure most Fox viewers are. – I can’t comment on your “fact”, but, Doomy did a good jod of exposing the bias of the source of the studies, true or false. I don’t watch Fox News, so I can’t address that.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 30th, 2012
10:16 pm
What’s a “Meber”?
Jm
May 30th, 2012
10:18 pm
Meber?
A narcissistic bieber?
Or is that redundant?
Jm
May 30th, 2012
10:21 pm
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Tea Party Meber
May 30th, 2012
10:21 pm
Just anoter taxn N spend libral.
TaxPayer
May 30th, 2012
10:25 pm
TBG,
Leaving off the if would not create a factual event to discuss.
Thulsa did not expose any studies as being anything unless you are one of those people that accept Doom’s proclamations as factual. They’re not. They’re just more of his usual bs. I posted material that referenced actual studies from numerous sources including even a Kaiser study and Doom pulled his usual garbage routine of making a worthless declaration with no basis in fact. But if that’s what you are looking for, go for it.
That Black Guy
May 30th, 2012
10:27 pm
Taxpayer, am I wasting my time trying to get you to admit that crony capitalism exists in this administration?
If so, let me know.
td
May 30th, 2012
10:29 pm
Tell us all what part of the video is factually incorrect? Debt? Jobs? Food stamps? Why are all of you so upset about using the Presidents own words with actual facts?
That Black Guy
May 30th, 2012
10:32 pm
TaxPayer
May 30th, 2012
10:25 pm
TBG,
Leaving off the if would not create a factual event to discuss.
___________________________________________________________
Really?
Why would I have a problem with Buffett. – I didn’t ask if you had a problem with Mr Buffet. I asked if you had a problem with the fact that Mr Buffet has such a close relationship with this administration and stands to make a substantial amount of money from policy decisions of this admin. Kinda like Cheney and Halliburton. – Are you saying this is not a factual topic of discussion?
I mean, he’s reviled by the right so he’s okay by me. – The right hates Amadinnerjacket in Iran, does that mean you like him? – Are you saying this is not a factual topic of discussion?
Ineptocracy = Obama & Czars
May 30th, 2012
10:33 pm
What part of the replay of Obama’s own words which explicitly outline the failure of his first term did you not comprehend?
Obama’s strategy for US jobs recovery, economic recovery, education improvement, immigration, healthcare reform, ATF gifts of assault weapons to murdering Mexican drug lords, and foreign energy independence are all idiotic, abysmal failures. His socialist game plan to undermine US sovereignty, weaken foreign relations, to kill the US Dollar as the World Currency, and instigate a divisive class and race war worked like a charm.
Obama and his socialist Czars have spent the past 3.5 years dragging the USA into the depths of ineptocracy and financial ruin. (If the term, “ineptocracy,” is unfamiliar to you, click here: http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/ineptocracy). Obama and his key socialist henchwoman, Valerie Jarrett are natural enemies of the US Constitution.
Thulsa Doom
May 30th, 2012
10:34 pm
Its always funny when you dive to the puerto rico trench, then climb kiliminjaro, then come back in time to write gobbledeegook on the bookman blog.
That Black Guy
May 30th, 2012
10:38 pm
Taxpayer?
Thulsa Doom
May 30th, 2012
10:39 pm
td,
Libs don’t like them facts they don’t.
Thulsa Doom
May 30th, 2012
10:39 pm
Buehler…. buehler…..buehler…..
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
10:40 pm
So are we surprised? Fox ‘News’ being political? Unfortunately, lots of folks actually think Fox is a news channel – instead of an outlet for the fringe right wing. ( I used to be a moderate, but using Fox’s current scale, I’m a flaming communist. I haven’t changed a bit!)
And what does the GOP plan to do to get us out of the depression that started in 2007?
Roll back the changes that did happen, reduce regulation, and cut taxes for those that can afford them? Let’s deregulate commerce and the banking industry. After all, none of this was their fault. Naah, none of it…
No wonder the GOP wants to cut funding to education, just keep the electorate stupid, and you can do what you want, and hoard all the cash for your best buds.
td
May 30th, 2012
10:43 pm
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
10:40 pm
So are we surprised? Fox ‘News’ being political?
What part of the video was factually incorrect? Is it political to show the actual words and post actual facts to go along with those words?
getalife
May 30th, 2012
10:44 pm
We know fox is right wing.
They can stop pretending.
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
10:45 pm
Hey TD – the part that is FACTUALLY INCORRECT is that we are in a DEPRESSION. You won’t hear it from our politicians, but in time, it will be recognized as such. Probably about 10 years from now.
Unfortunately, what the GOP is proposing is EXACTLY what was done in the early to mid 1930’s. “Gee… let’s try austerity.” Guess what – it didn’t work! To get us out of the depression was massive government spending, which happened to be a war (no, I don’t like the idea either – but it did work.) Further evidence? Austerity isn’t working now in Europe either… but hey, they’re different (Not!)
Davin McBean
May 30th, 2012
10:45 pm
It all comes down to voting for the ones you believe in. No amount of debate or proffering of facts from either side of the aisle will induce the zealots to reconsider. This eternal tug of war of personalities on the blogs is so tiresome. The same people all the time saying the same things. How absolutely mind-numbing.
Carry on. I can’t get enough of this stuff.
Thulsa Doom
May 30th, 2012
10:46 pm
Looks like tired of the lies needs to fix his remote control so that he can switch his news channel to a perfectly neutral news outlike- like Chris matthews and MSNBC. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
10:47 pm
TD – you’re blaming the problems on the President?
Not the GOP Congress that fails to compromise – yes, COMPROMISE.
Remember that thing that we were taught years ago in Social Studies – how government works?
I guess when you inherit a terd, you own it.
Rick Fletcher
May 30th, 2012
10:47 pm
Thank you for making this video easy to share. I do not have cable and that makes it tough to get accurateness like there is in this video. I sincerely appreciate you bring this to my attention. I will share with my friends.
Thulsa Doom
May 30th, 2012
10:49 pm
“Unfortunately, what the GOP is proposing is EXACTLY what was done in the early to mid 1930’s. “Gee… let’s try austerity.” Guess what – it didn’t work! To get us out of the depression was massive government spending, which happened to be a war’
We tried austerity in the 1930s? Really? As someone who has actually studied the depression that’s news to me. Care to elaborate on what policies austerity was enancted in the 30s? Because the evidence is exactly the opposite sir. You’re looking mighty uneducated if you think austerity was tried in the 30s.
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
10:49 pm
Hey, I’m glad to have been an economist – at least I know what might happen – and how to live through it. I just feel for all the stupids that actually believe the drivel from FOX.
Sad.
That Black Guy
May 30th, 2012
10:50 pm
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
10:40 pm
So are we surprised? Fox ‘News’ being political? Unfortunately, lots of folks actually think Fox is a news channel – instead of an outlet for the fringe right wing. ( I used to be a moderate, but using Fox’s current scale, I’m a flaming communist. I haven’t changed a bit!)
And what does the GOP plan to do to get us out of the depression that started in 2007? – The Obama admin said the RECESSION ended mid 2009. Remember “Recovery Summer” of 2010? What DEPRESSION?
Let’s deregulate commerce and the banking industry. – And who is calling for that other than YOU?
After all, none of this was their fault. Naah, none of it…- Are you saying it was ALL the fault of ONE party?
No wonder the GOP wants to cut funding to education, just keep the electorate stupid, and you can do what you want, and hoard all the cash for your best buds. – Please supply a link, site or quote that the ENTIRE GOP want’s to do this.
Thanks
I’ll wait…
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
10:51 pm
Do a bit of reading, but you gotta read real economic journals, not the trash online and on TV.
That Black Guy
May 30th, 2012
10:55 pm
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
10:51 pm
Do a bit of reading, but you gotta read real economic journals, not the trash online and on TV.
_________________________________________________________
Of course you can LINK to you accusations, right.
I mean, when you make an accusation, you CAN back it up, right?
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
May 30th, 2012
10:56 pm
There is a reson CNN is at a TWENTY year low, not that you would comment on that!
That Black Guy
May 30th, 2012
10:56 pm
TiredOfTheLies, if I said Clinton eats babies, wouldn’t you expect me to back it up?
Oscar
May 30th, 2012
10:57 pm
hulsa Doom
May 30th, 2012
10:49 pm
_________
Read some more on 1937 and you will get your answer. The result pulled the ecomony, which had been recovering back down. Until the next year when spending went back up.
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
10:57 pm
‘Black Guy’
Good – wait, go ahead.
I watched lots of the debates and crapola. No, it’s not all the fault of one party.
But apparently only one party says ‘my way or the highway’. Those folks are scary.
Housing prices are dropping, demand is down, the economy isn’t really growing much.
Many noted economists say we are in a depression, but you won’t see that on ANY news channel. You won’t see any politician admit it either. That would scare down demand. (you see, the supply side stuff really doesn’t work….but it makes good rhetoric.)
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
10:58 pm
Reference: Paul Krugman (hope I spelled it right) … one of those Nobel folks….
Thulsa Doom
May 30th, 2012
10:59 pm
tired of the lies,
Please enlighten us on the austerity measures that were tried in the 1930s. Cause I don’t see any of the nonsense that you say happened concerning austerity. What I did see was massive govt intervention beginning in 1930. What I did see was govt intervention halfway through 1930 in the form of Smoot-Hawley that was disastrous. What I did see was massive public works projects and massive new crop programs that remain in place today along with fannie and freddie and a host of other massive govt programs. And what i did see regarding govt projects was a civilian conservation corp that had more men in it then the army. I’m still waiting for you to entertain me with all these austerity measures that you speak of. New Deal ring a bell sir? You think the New Deal spending was austerity? Good God sir please tell me you are not that ignorant?
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
11:00 pm
mmm, mmmmm
20 year low.
Just goes to show that folks like to watch what makes them feel good, and what they agree with..
Unfortunately the truth hurts – doesn’t get much viewership.
Oscar
May 30th, 2012
11:01 pm
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
10:57 pm
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Everything is in the definition. How a depression is defined. Be the accepted definition we are not in one. Change the definition a little to fit and a we can say its a depression.
Thulsa Doom
May 30th, 2012
11:02 pm
Oscar,
Lots of new programs and events happened throughout the 1930s. What specific event in 1937 are you referring to? Because clearly tired of the lies has not a damn clue as to what the hell he is talking about.
Oscar
May 30th, 2012
11:03 pm
Good God sir please tell me you are not that ignorant?
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I repeat. In 1937 the deficit spending stopped and it didn’t work. FER went back to deficit spending the next year to continue to pull us out of the depression. Finally worked with massive war time spending by the government.
Thulsa Doom
May 30th, 2012
11:03 pm
I see a lot of blather from tired of the lies. Haven’t seen any facts or rebuttal points yet though.
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
11:03 pm
Thulsa … sorry, dont’ have at it my fingertips.
Gotta pull out a few books and that might exceed your attention span.
The ‘New Deal’ happened after the earlier austerity measures, that made things worse. It was the reaction to what was initially done wrong. It was what helped contribute to the recovery – and the war (unfortunately) pulled us out the rest of the way.
Good evening
Oscar
May 30th, 2012
11:05 pm
FDR balanced the budget in 1937. Didn’t work out.
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
11:05 pm
Thursla,
Yeah, but I sure am having fun raising your dander…. just like FOX does to it’s viewers.
See how it works?
Don't Forget
May 30th, 2012
11:07 pm
Oscar, there isn’t an accepted definition of a depression if by accepted you mean agreed upon.
Oscar
May 30th, 2012
11:08 pm
I think he is talking about when Hoover was still in office. Hoover would not increase the money supply. He kept money tight. Banks failed. After FDR got in office in 1932 FDR started loaning money to banks that ended the bank failures, then he started the New Deal with deficit spending. Ecomny gained ground until he balanced the budget in 1937 and ecomony sputtered again.
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
11:08 pm
Oscar, sorry,
I thought that was earlier – it could have been 1937, but it has been several years since I’ve read on the subject. I do remember that they tried unsuccessfully to balance the budget.
I was trying to make a point that you can raise the ire of folks with just some little stuff, and some sort of ‘facts’, and get them to go one way or another… like FOX.
td
May 30th, 2012
11:09 pm
TiredOfTheLies
May 30th, 2012
10:45 pm
Hey TD – the part that is FACTUALLY INCORRECT is that we are in a DEPRESSION. You won’t hear it from our politicians, but in time, it will be recognized as such. Probably about 10 years from now.
Is any of this even hinted at in the video? No so the video is factually correct then.
Thulsa Doom
May 30th, 2012
11:09 pm
tired of the lies,
What austerity measures do you speak of? If you know so much you should be able to recite them. There were in fact 2 serious economic dips in the 1920s and you know what the govt did? Nothing. And you know what? The economy recovered just fine. Now if you go back and look at the FACTS you will see that Herbert Hoover actually started us on govt spending and programs before FDR even came in. FDR just greatly expanded on them. His new deal was 12 years and comprised the 1930s. We did not pull out of the recession until 1941
Fact sir. After a decade of New deal and massive govt spending the unemployment rate in 1940 was 14.6%. So after a decade of new deal policies we still had massive unemployment. So how do you explain this BS that you are positing that stimulus or govt intervention or Keynesian economics pulled us out of the depression when the evidence is quite the contrary? Go ahead. Explain it.
larry
May 30th, 2012
11:10 pm
Um, yeah, there was no austerity measures in the ’30’s. Maybe someone needs to study a little more.
Consequently, Roosevelt ran (in 1936) on a platform that he would try to reduce, if not eliminate, the deficit. He won the election by a landslide — understandably, as the U.S. was out of depression by 1937. True to his campaign promise, government spending was cut significantly in 1937 and 1938, and taxes were raised to “fund” the new Social Security program. By 1938 Roosevelt submitted a budget in which the deficit was virtually eliminated (0.1% of GDP). The resultant economic relapse, based on efforts to balance the budget, exacerbated by a nonsensically tight monetary policy brought on by the Fed, duly followed.
This is unsurprising. Any type of fiscal austerity during a period of economic slowdown, whether via government spending cuts or higher taxes, will indeed depress economic activity.
Oscar
May 30th, 2012
11:10 pm
Don’t Forget
May 30th, 2012
11:07 pm
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Pretty sure there is a definition agreed on by most economists. Unemployement in excess of twenty per cent lasting for years comes to mind as one of the factors.