A bit more on conservatives, liberals and civil rights

Jays says,
conservatives taking credit for the civil rights revolution is like Mitt Romney swooping in to take credit for rescuing the U.S. auto industry.

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Mitt only wishes that he could take credit for the U.S. auto industry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kH_EZF0XqM&ob=av2e

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Nuance is lost on the culture warriors.

Yet another example of the GOP teetering on the edge of sanity…

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The U.S. auto industry is still bleeding deficits….. let Oblama take credit for that.

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Quite the interesting read Jay. Seems that he’s accusing people of setting up strawmen and does the same thing in his rebuttals. Seems as though he needs to go back and do some additional research himself.

The proximate cause of northern blacks’ first drift toward the Democratic party was the New Deal, not civil-rights legislation.

He completely ignores or has no clue to the Conservative White movement that purged Black office holders from the Republican Party at the end of Reconstruction. I would say that predates the New Deal by a few years or so.

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Williamson is defining a liberal as someone who wants big government instead of someone who wants civil rights for everyone.
And he is defining conservative as someone in favor of small government instead of as someone who wants supports big business and lack of any government regulation and who does not care about civil rights for anyone but the top one per cent.

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If you were born in the U.S. you would know the difference between Veteran’s Day and Memorial Day wouldn’t you? And Oblama still thinks there are 52 states in the U.S. A. That’s O.K. I don’t much about Kenya either.

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asking which party is the party of civil rights is simply the wrong question

It’s a good question if your party TODAY constantly harasses anyone who’s not a straight white (preferably angry) guy. Who gives a damn who was the party of civil rights in 1964? is there a retroactive award?

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I guess to Aquagirl; Not getting your way in a political process can be construed as harassment.

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And just for the record, President Obama was praising Jan Karski. How many of you detractors know who he was without googling?

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As for the thread…this is really a specious nyanh-nyanh…both parties have a checkered record.

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Liberals have done such a great job since taking the mantle of the “civil rights” leaders. Unemployment in black youths has skyrockted since the 1960s. There are more black young men in jail than in college. the percentage of black children born to single mothers has become the norm rather than the exception. despite the fact that republicans returned to power in the US Congress in the mid-1990s, wage differences between minorities and whites has steadily increased. At some time, black people will wake up and realize that they are suckers for believing that liberals like Jay really care about them. The record is clear: republicans have always been the party of parity. Its just that we believe that black people have every bit the capability of making it on their own and dont need to stay on the plantation and be cared for like little babies like liberals believe. They dont want you to think for yourself. they dont want you to think you can do it on your own. Its not your fault, its the evil white man’s fault. god forbid you have a free mind and think for yourself, for you will be labeled a traitor to your race and an uncle Tom.

Yes, liberals, you have done a fantastic job of securing the black vote. Just like the great Democratic president Johnson said, “I’ll have those n*$$#s voting Democrat for the next 200 years.”

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“The truth is most southern white conservatives are very very racist.”

Wrong…………. when you typed “most”, your argument went rolling downhill like a snowball headed for hell

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Jay again with the bait and switch….. today it’s race warfare. This election is about the economy, jobs and how to reduce this alarming Fed debt. It’s not about race warfare/ sex warfare/ victim warfare/ age warfare/ class warfare or any other scare tactics. Moderates, liberals, conservatives and most undecided voters know that this election is about the economy and will vote based on their opinion of Oblama’s success or lack of success the last three years, his increased spending spree exploding the debt – despite the fact that even the liberal media said the recession ended over three years ago. I’m voting on Oblama’s record – not something in the past he had nothing to do with.

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PASS the GRITS

You’re as full of sh*t as a Christmas Turkey and just as bigoted as those you want to castigate, Have you ever been a room with the plantation and limousine liberals when they think it’s intra nostra? Much the same…

MOST Southern whites? Hardly. Put down the Gaugin brushes and pick up the Monet.

Ignoramus!

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BOTH

Yeah, that’s what I really wanted to say.

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BOTH

Heckle and Jekyl are we? No, no, I insist. You did the better job!

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Ignoring Realignment has become a cottage industry with greater
wingnuttia. Whether its willful ignorance, or just ignunt, i dont care.

the other cottage industry is getting the brown guy to spout talking points
so tighty-whitey can feel better bout himself

pardon me in advance for saying so.
but you are on a different level than this guy. You have much bigger
fish to fry than wasting time refudiating bad wingnut porn.

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That article just goes on and on and on… without much substance, really a boring read…

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JAY,

I agree with National Review’s point of view except it in no means applies to current Tea Party folks. The Democrats are not better and they did win over African Americans with New Deal and continue to get support from that demographic. When will those folks realize that these same entitlements are holding them back and they need to rise up against the Democrats from further creating low expectations…

There is no true party (today) of Civil Rights…one his holding those down with entitlements while the other is ….well completely out to lunch.

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josef, then why not just call them nazi concentration camps operated in Poland? everyone would understand that.

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CHEESY GRITS

Well, where do you live? Not in the same South as I do, I’d say…you’re a bigot, plain, simple and unvarnished.

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Progressive is just a “sissy” word for liberal.

Sissy? Really??

This is the kind of insult that I would expect from a petulant fifth grader.

And your immaturity, though interesting, is not useful…

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“Spend some time in Middle or South Georgia sipping some shine and you’ll see tht PtG is on the money.

If that’s too scary for you, try Forsyth County or North-Fulton sipping cocktails – it’s the same just the outfits are different.”

You can find it in MI, NY, AZ, ID, WA, etc etc……………..

I wouldn’t say to the extent that you say, but it is where you say and elsewhere as well.

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Pass the Chessy Grits
Either you are lying or you hang out with the lowet class people in the world. While I am Libertarian, most of the people that I work around are Republicans, if you bring President Obama’s name up you will hear the words liberial, bleeding heart, socialist, and maybe sometimes even communist, but I have never heard one of them bring up his race much less use the n-word. Just because someone disagrees with the presidents policies does not make them klan members.

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Sore spot there Jay? What no graph?

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ajcer

There are more black young men in jail than in college. the percentage of black children born to single mothers has become the norm rather than the exception

You should check yesterday’s threads for the links to the documentary that I posted last night. That way, you can begin to heal your mind from the diet of misinformation that you’ve been fed for so long. Your quote there is proof positive that, when repeated over and over, lies tend to take on the appearance of being truths.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/movies/2003836145_blackmen15.html

In 2005, according to the Census Bureau, 864,000 black men were in college. According to Justice Department statistics, 802,000 were in federal and state prisons and jails, Morton said.

Between the ages of 18 and 24, black men in college outnumber those incarcerated by 4 to 1.

Unless you have verifiable statistical proof to prove the trend has reversed, I’d suggest you begin your quest for truth as soon as possible to avoid further brain rot. If you’d like to see that documentary for yourself, here’s the link….

http://www.documentarychannel.com/movie.php?currID=10403&t=What-Black-Men-Think

Click the “Watch it now” link and begin to heal thyself…..

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I’m a huge fan of Frederick Douglass. He rocked and is under appreciated for his contributions and forward thinking…a couple quotes I find appropos:

I am a Republican, a black, dyed in the wool Republican, and I never intend to belong to any other party than the party of freedom and progress…

I recognize the Republican party as the sheet anchor of the colored man’s political hopes and the ark of his safety.

How funny are these? He’d be disappointed in both parties today..

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josef

You just have to hate it when a so called fellow “lib” can see less than a blind person……….

Broad brushing and paint sprayers know no political affiliation or ideology

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‘Their soul has left the Dem Party and is looking for a place to belong.’

Drama Queen alert…

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I love it when liberals bring up segregation in the south, lest they forget the real and documented segregation in the north and the ongoing racist acts of unions. A quick google search will quickly reveal that northern states were just as bad as southern states, but because the white liberals controlled the conversation in the media, the black people left on the plantation were fooled in believing that racism only existed in the south. also, union thugs have a long and proud tradition of racism. Look at the paltry number of black people in unions and the even more pathetic number of black union leaders and the liberal standardbearers for equality quickly show their racist tendancies.

Again, liberals love talking about how equal they are and how republicans are evil, yet the numbers prove otherwise. continue your liberal diatribe. black people will believe you and benefit from it.

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John F. Kennedy would never agree with Oblama’s policies. Sam Nunn wouldn’t be allowed leadership in the current Dem Party.

Reagan would be a Democrat today …. blah blah blah

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Since the alpha shark has written a short piece on the bragging rights of liberalism, I shall write a short piece on the destructions of liberalism.

Take this morning’s headline on Dekalb county’s school budget woes. Here we have the typical problem with a behemoth run by “free money” (taxpayer money). When times are good there is the usual large spending, large employment hiring, large employee benefits, and large taxes. Not to worry. Everyone gets a large piece of the pie because the government run by those in charge are usually Democrats spreading the good cheer under the cloak of education.

When times go bad money is tight. Spending cuts are inevitable and the merry-go-round is offering fewer rides. Liberals scream bloody murder that the children will suffer. But actually, the teachers are facing lay-offs, substittute teachers are facing termination, bloated pensions are targeted, bloated health benefits are targeted, huge new multi-million dollar schools are put on hold, and classroom iPads are delayed for student’s backpacks. The real suffering is the collection plate being passed around less frequently. Oh, the budget has theoretically been cut, but higher taxes figure into its implementation. Sound familiar? It’s all there for the reading. Is it any wonder that Wisconsin is dealing with the Democrat establishment regarding their problems with public malfeasance?

So let’s hear it from the shark pack about how good liberalism is and what it does for the communities we live in. Off the subject? Yes, but there is a correlation to the subject of liberalism and who gets credit for its bragging rights..

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A quick google search will quickly reveal that northern states were just as bad as southern states

Huh ?

I must have missed the part where blacks were getting attacked by German Shepards and water hoses in the north in the 60’s.

Not even the same ball game.

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stevie ray: The Democrats are not better and they did win over African Americans with New Deal and continue to get support from that demographic.

If, and that’s a huge if, you are remotely correct in your statement, have you ever stopped long enough to wonder why Blacks were “won over” by the New Deal in the first place? I’ve posted this link several times, but it doesn’t appear that people are that much into confronting history as it really happened and instead choose the revised versions that makes everybody feel all warm and fuzzy inside. The Republican Party had a lock on the Black support until this conservative group in the South came up with a plan to get rid of the Liberal Republican support of Blacks.

http://baic.house.gov/historical-essays/essay.html?intID=5&intSectionID=32

The political realignment of black voters set in motion at the close of Reconstruction gradually accelerated in the early 20th century, pushed by demographic shifts such as the Great Migration and by black discontent with the increasingly conservative racial policies of the Republican Party in the South. A decades-long process ensued in which blacks were effectively pushed outside or left the Republican fold because of its increasingly ambiguous racial policies. By the end of this era, the major parties’ policies and a re-emergent activism among younger African Americans positioned blacks for a mass movement in the early and mid-1930s to the northern Democratic Party.

And the primary driver of that shift in demographics right around the end of Reconstruction????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily-White_Movement

The Lily-White Movement was an anti-civil-rights movement within the Republican Party in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The movement was a response to the political and socioeconomic gains made by African-Americans following the Civil War and the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which eliminated slavery. Black leaders gained increasing influence in the party by organizing blacks as an important voting bloc. Conservative white groups attempted to eliminate this influence and recover white voters who had defected to the Democratic Party.

“The lily white movement is one of the darkest and underexamined eras of US Republicanism.”[3]
This movement is largely credited with driving blacks out of the Republican party during the early 20th century, setting the stage for their eventual support of the Democrats.

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Sorry Brosephus, I was mistakenly and stupidly listening to Obama. I will never do that again….

“We have more work to do when more young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America.”
–Barack Obama, NAACP forum, July 12, 2007.

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No more making fun of George Bush’s speaking transgressions…Obama just insulted a whole country of 38 million people.

Great job Obama. The Teleprompter must have been in the shop. Let’s see Jay Carney spin this.

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I’m sick of the N word

And even citing someone else’s use of it with quotation marks around it annoys me (as in the NR column)

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If the “cross” gets too heavy for you to bear, Delta is ready when you are……….

Ive lived here my whole life. Im not going anywhere just because of bigots.

You just have to tolerate them. Most are uneducated anyway.

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Yawn…kind of a tired subject…but since you want to taunt the Civil Rights Movement….then why have the family structure. particullary of the Black family, been so destroyed. Why do we have a majority of minorities living in slums called Government housing and dependent on Government for basic living….perhaps the GOP should distance themselves away from this so called grand movement and point to what a destructibve failure it has been…but I guess if you love being a slave to Big Government, then perhaps it is ok…personally I like freedom.

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yuzeyurbrane

“What has diminished are laws that enforced racism and people’s overt behavior.”

That is the key point. A racism built around a systematic and legally sanctioned structure has proven much easier to counter. Where there were no such laws and structure, the racism was just as prevalent in the minds of the citizenry, but, in the long run, much more difficult to dislodge.

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pass the cheesy grits please,

i think you should check out the long hot summer of 68 in addition to the rest of the 60s and 70s. urban riots occurred predominately in northern cities. there was strong opposition to busing in boston and other areas.

i guess if you lived in la in 1992 and were Korean you might have a differing opinion on this problem. AAs attacked Korean owned stores as a means of payback for perceived discrimination in hiring practices.

btw….bull conner and his dogs were dimocrats!

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JamVet

May 30th, 2012
11:03 am

For all of you so-called conservatives, I am still awaiting an answer to this question from weeks ago:

Who are the great conservative leaders who stand out in the civil rights movement of the past fifty years?

Second question. Are there any?

There will not ever be any conservative leaders that treat people differently (Race, gender…) because we believe that ALL people in this country should be treated the same under the law. No special treatment and no discrimination.

To answer your question then all Republican leaders are great civil rights leaders because any person that takes responsible actions and graduates HS, does not do drugs or has children out of wedlock should be able to make it in this society.

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I wish just once that liberals like Jay could explain why the leftest ideas are better.
Government control of your life, no incentive to work hard and earn more because you can’t keep it anyway, someone who cranks out 15 kids and stays at home doing crack getting a check from the government gets the same life style as someone who works 70 hours a week, no personal responsibility, .. Sounds great.. Except it does not work, government can not tax enough to pay for all those wonderful ideas. I will stay with my conservative values, I will make my own decisions, I will take responsibility for my decisions, and I will work hard for my self and my family,
and I will continue to believe that governments role should be limited to keeping us safe, taking care of the roads, to punish those who cheat or harm others. And I will even say that to be there with a safety net and a hand up is a valued role of the government. Anymore than that is a power grab and you people that think I am wrong have drank the KoolAid!!!

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ajcer

He’s no different than anybody else who recites that incorrect information. He doesn’t get a break either. If you choose to do so, take a look at that documentary. There’s a decidedly conservative tilt to it, but it speaks to many things that have become “truths” that are not true at all.

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I must have missed the part where blacks were getting attacked by German Shepards and water hoses in the north in the 60’s. “Chessy Grits”

Try looking at the housing riots in Chicago in the late 60’s, or the busing riots in Boston in the early 70’s. How about this Chessy Grits, learn history before you try to teach history.

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For all of the naysayers that do not believe that the South is not have racial issues, watch the Freedom Riders movie and remember that this occurred in 1961. There are still a lot of racism that is going on down here. Where do you think that the phrase “Dirty South” comes from?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/freedomriders/

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Why do we have a majority of minorities living in slums called Government housing and dependent on Government for basic living…

I dunno. Maybe only being allowed a chance at an education for the last 50 or so years in the South after 200 years of Slavery and another 100 of segregation might have something to do with it.

Do you honestly believe black people have the same opportunities in this country as whites ?

They dont is the answer.

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josef @ 11:20

It is great when they say it for you……… would even be better if they look in the mirror and recite it 100 times

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JAMVET: you asked about great conservative civil rights leaders. your question demonstrates the great fault of liberals, that someone is needed to depend on in order to succeed.

Pure drivel. (And based on the sophistry in this first sentence, I didn’t read further.)

The two are not remotely connected.

QUIT dodging the question!

Again, who are these conservative men that I ask the names of?

You, so far, have provided ZERO.

Think, man!

Surely you can come up with at least one!

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Interesting Tidbit

Sikorski, the polish Foriegn Minister with his jockey pants in a wad just happens to have been a columnist for the National Review, fellow at AEI and advisor to Rupert Murdoch.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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Lest we forget…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8IqkRbxcTA

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td: Keep playing that race card and living on the white liberal plantation

The fact that you don’t understand how much you out yourself as a bigot by composing JUST THIS part of your sentence is very funny.

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Crude oil falls below $88/barrel.

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Crude oil falls below $88/barrel.

Where are the conservatives that were blaming the President for rising oil prices now?

Silent. Because they KNOW he has nothing to do with it and will only credit him with prices when they are RISING because they are political opportunists on that issue.

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Adam

The oil price blame and credit game is played on both sides……….

You may not play that game, but as many on the left play it as on the right.

Pretty stupid and simplistic regardless of which side is playing it at any given time

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Oil prices are falling because of weakening in the U.S. and global economy. Not because of anything Obama has done.

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Einstein said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. the liberal doctrine defines insanity. Despite having control of Congress for much of the last century and instituting liberal doctrine, the black condition has worsened. yet, they still want to convince people that the liberal idealogy, if given more time, can produce different results. I dont care who you are, no one can argue with the numbers.

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Well, just to keep the record straight here, but Tricky D*ck was the best friend the Red Man ever had before or since at 1600…

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Don’t see a corollary between Wall Street and black people on public assistance who’ve been sold a bill of goods that Democrats look out for their interests, while Republicans don’t care.

That’s because you’re focused on the public assistance group and not the group profiting from that group. Just as Wall Street profits off the back of Americans, there’s a group that profits off the backs of Black Americans. When you and other’s open your eyes to that point, then you’ll begin to see the truth. Until that time comes, you’re not gonna see anything beyond welfare queens.

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CHUCK

Let’s get real, slaveholders were among the most prominent of the Liberal Enlightenment…

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They BOTH suck: Yes but then you hear arguments from the right that the media SHOULD be blaming Obama for gas prices NOW because they did when Bush was in office. And the fact that they’re not makes them the “liberal media.”

I don’t see an equivalent twisting of the truth from the left:

“I hope he carries Michigan, but to me there’s something not quite right about a political system that will rely on modifications of the truth in order to get the political job done,” Lutz said.

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Chuck: but for the last 40 year “liberals” have held the black race in boundage with failed social engineering, well intentioned but crippling welfare polcies, and a poor educational system.

And your point is that conservatives would like to FUND a BETTER public school system with FEDERAL money, and uncripple welfare policies instead of dumping more people into poverty, right?

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“That’s because you’re focused on the public assistance group and not the group profiting from that group. Just as Wall Street profits off the back of Americans, there’s a group that profits off the backs of Black Americans. When you and other’s open your eyes to that point, then you’ll begin to see the truth. Until that time comes, you’re not gonna see anything beyond welfare queens.”

I don’t see anything specific in the form of a point other than an apparent dislike for profits.

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ADAM

Just being EOI, but weren’t you earlier praising the superiority of private education?

Looks like plantation liberalism to me…

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I will only speak for myself: I am FOR equal rights… for everybody. I am a Democrat. And to confirm what Mr. Bookman said a moment ago, I am not “keeping” any black Americans.

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josef: Just being EOI, but weren’t you earlier praising the superiority of private education?

Looks like plantation liberalism to me…

No I was arguing with Thulsa that there’s no substantive difference in terms of efficiency between public and private, and he contends that private education producing “better results” is evidence that I am wrong. And by better results he means overall they score better on selected tests. But he fails to show that private education is actually substantively better, because there are also studies about vouchers showing that children who come from public schools suddenly in a private education do not do any better.

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I’m not interested, and for the record, I do not consider the party of pandering, race baiting, extortion, demagoguery, and racial preferences to be the “right” side of “civil rights”.

It’s important to distinguish “civil rights” from “great society” programs when discussing civil rights. Liberals aren’t prone to tolerate this distinction, and that in itself is very instructive.

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They BOTH suck: I could go down the qualifying rabbit hole all day. So I missed a qualifying word. My bad. If I need to clarify I’m talking about the ones with power – the ones in office. Sure, not ALL of them. And I also have yet to see more than a few of them say they DON’T want such policies. They just kind of ignore it when their colleagues bring it up.

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I don’t see anything specific in the form of a point other than an apparent dislike for profits.

You see things wrong. Nowhere did I state that I had a dislike for profits. You choose to see what you want to instead of what’s actually in front of you. People are driven to make money nowadays. It’s no different if you’re trading stocks on Wall Street, turning a wrench on Main Street, or peddling false information to feed a national narrative that is factually wrong.

Those who you and others claim to “hold Blacks down” in order to get votes do not do it for the votes. They do it for the profit it brings them personally. That’s my point. If and when I have a dislike for profits, I will say “I have a dislike for profits”. I don’t have a problem in expressing what I think, as you probably already know.

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DawgDad: I do not consider the party of pandering, race baiting, extortion, demagoguery, and racial preferences to be the “right” side of “civil rights”.

Put DawgDad down as thinking the GOP is not on the “right” side of “civil rights” (scare quotes are so telling, aren’t they?)

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Jay,josef
just the difference between
a wordsmith and a word
scientist..

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Jay,

Its funny that you cite the time period of black per capita income around the 1990s. I guess it doesnt matter that this is the time period that Americans started voting in more republicans in Congress, leading to to the Republican revolution that started in 1992 and culminated in Republican dominance of Congress throughout much of the 1990s and into 2006 when the dems took back control. yeah, you all did a great job.

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josef: Are you in favor of standardized testing and federal involvement in setting the standard? Did you go to public schools?

I am in favor of some kind of standard, but I am not in favor of that being only testing, or only testing specific subjects, or judging teachers based on test scores (even LESS so if it’s a firing offense). We’ve seen where that road leads – to cheating and less actual teaching and learning.

I am in favor of us recognizing that we will NEVER get all kids up to a certain standard. Some just won’t get there. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try and it doesn’t mean we should take the money away.

And yes, I went to public schools AND private schools at varying points. I cannot at all show that one was better than another through anecdotal evidence, nor should I since that’s a logical fallacy.

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They BOTH suck: There are times that you come across with as much general and generic broad brushing as some of them do.

I try not to but it happens.

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Mean black family’s net worth: 1992 – $69k, 2001 – $75k

Gee, that increase also coincides with the Republican revolution.

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Let’s count how many states are republican and how many states are democrat, shall we…hmmm, i notice a consistent pattern here.

Top Ten Cities for African-Americans, 2007
These cities were selected by Black Enterprise (BE) magazine as the top ten places for African Americans in the United States. Each city was evaluated on black homeownership rates, median black household income, black home loan rejections, percentage of black college graduates, black unemployment rates, percentage of black households earning more than $100,000 a year, and percentage of black-owned businesses.

Rank City, State % Black Population
1. Jacksonville, Fla. 22.5
2. Columbus, Ohio 14.1
3. Indianapolis, Ind. 14.6
4. Charlotte, N.C. 23.4
5. Dallas, Tex. 14.2
6. Nashville, Tenn. 15.3
7. Houston, Tex. 16.8
8. Raleigh-Durham, N.C. 21.3
9. Atlanta, Ga. 30.8
10. Washington, D.C. 26.6

http://www.infoplease.com/us/states/top-ten-cities-african-americans.html#ixzz1wN0wwWZo

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jay, you are so full of it. seriously. all of my points dealt with liberal idealogy. further it was you who extracted out a single decade, negating the time period before and the time period since democrats took back control of congress.

please save your lies and deceits for your own party. they are gullible enough to buy it.

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and amazingly, no one has responded about the racism of the unions, but i guess that is just another inconvenient truth.

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josef

You are on a roll……… Have to get some work done. Out for awhile

have a great day

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josef, love the comments. jay, you are ineffective as usual. have a great day!

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Cheesy, I think the biggest problem with your observations are that they are likely more reflective of power structures than the general population. Not entirely of course, especially since the power structures are somewhat representative of the general population but it’s the power structure that allows bad people to get away with more than they should

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josef: Well, there WAS a difference in one of my private schools that made it so that I was not able to advance in math classes as quickly as I would have otherwise. They taught the same math to both 7th and 8th grade, and I had already learned it. But that is an isolated issue.

I think federal can be involved, I just don’t see the benefit to being so rigid about it. We do need a standard that applies across all states, such as evolution belongs in science class and creationism belongs in philosophy/theology classes. The classes of the latter are useful as they actually help speed along critical thinking. Focusing only on math and science is a rigid adherence to rote memorization, which is bad because it means the sum of your knowledge is mostly just trusting an authority figure to give you everything straight – and we all know that sometimes doesn’t even happen in school. People need to learn to think for themselves but also know when facts are facts and opinions are opinions.

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As I wrote, asking which party is the party of civil rights is simply the wrong question; the battle lines back then were much more clearly drawn between liberal and conservative than between Democrat and Republican.
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FDR had above 70% of the vote in the following states in 1944 Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina and Texas. At this point in time civil rights wasn’t even an issue. 12 years into the New Deal and southerners were still supporting the it in margins greater than
anyone else. Poor Southerners supported the had no reason not to support liberal economic policies until the civil rights movement came along. Read about Huey Long who dominated Louisiana politics.

The civil rights vote was regional, not ideological or partisan. I think that is the generally accepted explanation.

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