A bit more on conservatives, liberals and civil rights

I see where Kevin Williamson of National Review has responded to my critique of his thesis that the Republican Party is “the party of civil rights”.

According to Williamson, my “not very smart take” is that “Sure, Republicans were good on civil rights for a long time, but those were liberal Republicans, so you can’t claim them, since they’d be Democrats now.”

While that statement has some truth in it, it was not my argument at all. As I wrote, asking which party is the party of civil rights is simply the wrong question; the battle lines back then were much more clearly drawn between liberal and conservative than between Democrat and Republican. And as history demonstrates, conservatives taking credit for the civil rights revolution is like Mitt Romney swooping in to take credit for rescuing the U.S. auto industry.

But if you’re interested, go read Williamson and draw your own conclusions.

– Jay Bookman

170 comments Add your comment

Soothsayer

May 30th, 2012
10:12 am

Dow off 130 points, oil trading off $2.25 @ 88.50.

Chevy Runs Deep

May 30th, 2012
10:15 am

Jays says,
conservatives taking credit for the civil rights revolution is like Mitt Romney swooping in to take credit for rescuing the U.S. auto industry.

___

Mitt only wishes that he could take credit for the U.S. auto industry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kH_EZF0XqM&ob=av2e

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 30th, 2012
10:17 am

A silly and dishonest analysis by Mr. Williamson……….. complete buffoonery but typical of so many on the “right” these days.

East Lake Ira

May 30th, 2012
10:18 am

Nuance is lost on the culture warriors.

Yet another example of the GOP teetering on the edge of sanity…

Oblama

May 30th, 2012
10:18 am

Progressive is just a “sissy” word for liberal.

Oblama

May 30th, 2012
10:19 am

The U.S. auto industry is still bleeding deficits….. let Oblama take credit for that.

rightwingextreme

May 30th, 2012
10:20 am

enough of the race war rhetoric Jay….let’s discuss a serious issue like foreign policy.

I’ll give you three words…..POLISH DEATH CAMPS!

Jay, you’ve got to admit this guy is either bereft of historical knowledge or he was trying to tick off our soon to be Polish allies.

If Bush had said this you and the WaPo, CNN and the rest of the msm would have jumped on it in a heartbeat.

Brosephus™

May 30th, 2012
10:20 am

Quite the interesting read Jay. Seems that he’s accusing people of setting up strawmen and does the same thing in his rebuttals. Seems as though he needs to go back and do some additional research himself.

The proximate cause of northern blacks’ first drift toward the Democratic party was the New Deal, not civil-rights legislation.

He completely ignores or has no clue to the Conservative White movement that purged Black office holders from the Republican Party at the end of Reconstruction. I would say that predates the New Deal by a few years or so.

Oblama

May 30th, 2012
10:23 am

For those saying the Repubs are just the 1%…. then why is Oblama bothering with all these record fund raisers. What’s he worrying about if the other 99% is with him?

Oscar

May 30th, 2012
10:24 am

Williamson is defining a liberal as someone who wants big government instead of someone who wants civil rights for everyone.
And he is defining conservative as someone in favor of small government instead of as someone who wants supports big business and lack of any government regulation and who does not care about civil rights for anyone but the top one per cent.

Jefferson

May 30th, 2012
10:27 am

They were not from GA or AL, I’d venture.

Oblama

May 30th, 2012
10:28 am

If you were born in the U.S. you would know the difference between Veteran’s Day and Memorial Day wouldn’t you? And Oblama still thinks there are 52 states in the U.S. A. That’s O.K. I don’t much about Kenya either.

josef

May 30th, 2012
10:29 am

JAY

My take? He had more column inches at his disposal and must be paid by the word…

RIGHTWINGEXTREME

my comment on that from downstairs:

Okay, the Obama “gaffe.” The Polish people are, naturally, sensitive about this, and understandably so. However, speaking strictly as the linguist here. what happens when you interpret what has no specific connotation from another language, say English, into Polish carries a subtlety with it that leaves open this type of misunderstanding. For us English speakers, “Polish Concentration Camps” just the same as, say French countryside, can be just the location. Translated into Polish, however, there is a strong distinction between the adjectival “Polish” and the locative-substantive “in Poland.”

This is a gaffe any of us could make and one that the interpreter should have caught since s/he should know better.

Remember when Jimmy Carter said (via the interpreter) that he would like to F the Polish people?
:-)

Aquagirl

May 30th, 2012
10:31 am

asking which party is the party of civil rights is simply the wrong question

It’s a good question if your party TODAY constantly harasses anyone who’s not a straight white (preferably angry) guy. Who gives a damn who was the party of civil rights in 1964? is there a retroactive award?

Oscar

May 30th, 2012
10:33 am

is there a retroactive award?

__________

There must be since both parties are grabbing for the title.

Misty Fyed

May 30th, 2012
10:33 am

I guess to Aquagirl; Not getting your way in a political process can be construed as harassment.

East Lake Ira

May 30th, 2012
10:35 am

Aquagirl – I give a damn. They’re lieing about their resume. That’s a fireable offense in my book.

josef

May 30th, 2012
10:36 am

And just for the record, President Obama was praising Jan Karski. How many of you detractors know who he was without googling?

Oscar

May 30th, 2012
10:39 am

They’re lieing about their resume.
_____________

That’s why they were fired in 2008. Go back and read some history about who voted for the Civil Rights acts in the sixties. Higher per cent of Democrats than Republicians.

josef

May 30th, 2012
10:40 am

As for the thread…this is really a specious nyanh-nyanh…both parties have a checkered record.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 30th, 2012
10:40 am

The truth is most southern white conservatives are very very racist.

You ever been in a room with just white guys in the South and Obama comes up.

The N word wont be far behind as will jokes about watermelon patches on the white house lawn and a KFC being installed in the Kitchen.

I hear that crap all the time. Its shameful.

ajcer

May 30th, 2012
10:42 am

Liberals have done such a great job since taking the mantle of the “civil rights” leaders. Unemployment in black youths has skyrockted since the 1960s. There are more black young men in jail than in college. the percentage of black children born to single mothers has become the norm rather than the exception. despite the fact that republicans returned to power in the US Congress in the mid-1990s, wage differences between minorities and whites has steadily increased. At some time, black people will wake up and realize that they are suckers for believing that liberals like Jay really care about them. The record is clear: republicans have always been the party of parity. Its just that we believe that black people have every bit the capability of making it on their own and dont need to stay on the plantation and be cared for like little babies like liberals believe. They dont want you to think for yourself. they dont want you to think you can do it on your own. Its not your fault, its the evil white man’s fault. god forbid you have a free mind and think for yourself, for you will be labeled a traitor to your race and an uncle Tom.

Yes, liberals, you have done a fantastic job of securing the black vote. Just like the great Democratic president Johnson said, “I’ll have those n*$$#s voting Democrat for the next 200 years.”

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 30th, 2012
10:42 am

This is gonna be a tough vote for the South.

The Black guy vs the Non – Christian.

In Southern think Black guy trumps Non-Christian so Non-Christian will probably get the vote.

They BOTH suck

May 30th, 2012
10:43 am

“The truth is most southern white conservatives are very very racist.”

Wrong…………. when you typed “most”, your argument went rolling downhill like a snowball headed for hell

Kandi

May 30th, 2012
10:44 am

Palin, Bachmann, Santorum, Trump, Cain, Gingrich are hate mongering hypocrites as are most of the far right idealogues, and they certainly are opposed to civil rights for anyone who doesn’t share their narrow minded positions.

Oblama

May 30th, 2012
10:44 am

Jay again with the bait and switch….. today it’s race warfare. This election is about the economy, jobs and how to reduce this alarming Fed debt. It’s not about race warfare/ sex warfare/ victim warfare/ age warfare/ class warfare or any other scare tactics. Moderates, liberals, conservatives and most undecided voters know that this election is about the economy and will vote based on their opinion of Oblama’s success or lack of success the last three years, his increased spending spree exploding the debt – despite the fact that even the liberal media said the recession ended over three years ago. I’m voting on Oblama’s record – not something in the past he had nothing to do with.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 30th, 2012
10:44 am

Yes, liberals, you have done a fantastic job of securing the black vote. Just like the great Democratic president Johnson said, “I’ll have those n*$$#s voting Democrat for the next 200 years.”

Actually what he said was by signing the Civil Rights bill the Dem party had lost the South for a generation. He was right. The South turned Republican real quick after that.

Nice try though. Thanks for playing.

josef

May 30th, 2012
10:45 am

PASS the GRITS

You’re as full of sh*t as a Christmas Turkey and just as bigoted as those you want to castigate, Have you ever been a room with the plantation and limousine liberals when they think it’s intra nostra? Much the same…

MOST Southern whites? Hardly. Put down the Gaugin brushes and pick up the Monet.

Ignoramus!

They BOTH suck

May 30th, 2012
10:46 am

josef

You put it much better than I ever could have done.

Thanks

josef

May 30th, 2012
10:46 am

BOTH

Yeah, that’s what I really wanted to say. :-)

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 30th, 2012
10:47 am

“The truth is most southern white conservatives are very very racist.”

Wrong…………. when you typed “most”, your argument went rolling downhill like a snowball headed for hell

Lets just say you don’t live in the same South I do.

josef

May 30th, 2012
10:47 am

BOTH

Heckle and Jekyl are we? No, no, I insist. You did the better job!

td

May 30th, 2012
10:48 am

Aquagirl

May 30th, 2012
10:31 am

More BS. Keep playing that race card and living on the white liberal plantation being controlled by the race pimp field bosses telling you everything to believe and think.

Must be nice not to have to think for yourself.

St Simons - we're on Island time

May 30th, 2012
10:48 am

Ignoring Realignment has become a cottage industry with greater
wingnuttia. Whether its willful ignorance, or just ignunt, i dont care.

the other cottage industry is getting the brown guy to spout talking points
so tighty-whitey can feel better bout himself

pardon me in advance for saying so.
but you are on a different level than this guy. You have much bigger
fish to fry than wasting time refudiating bad wingnut porn.

Gator Joe

May 30th, 2012
10:49 am

Romney is representative of that wing of the Republican Party, that while not overtly racist and bigoted, align themselves with Southern Republicans who are. The Romney’s of the Republican party, if not racist and bigoted themselves, though I believe they are, are complicit in racism and bigotry by aligning themselves with people who are.

PS
In addition to Trump, Nugent, Limbaugh, Hannity, who’s next next to join the Romney creep show, David Duke?

Mick

May 30th, 2012
10:49 am

That article just goes on and on and on… without much substance, really a boring read…

East Lake Ira

May 30th, 2012
10:50 am

josef – Spend some time in Middle or South Georgia sipping some shine and you’ll see tht PtG is on the money.

If that’s too scary for you, try Forsyth County or North-Fulton sipping cocktails – it’s the same just the outfits are different.

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 30th, 2012
10:50 am

JAY,

I agree with National Review’s point of view except it in no means applies to current Tea Party folks. The Democrats are not better and they did win over African Americans with New Deal and continue to get support from that demographic. When will those folks realize that these same entitlements are holding them back and they need to rise up against the Democrats from further creating low expectations…

There is no true party (today) of Civil Rights…one his holding those down with entitlements while the other is ….well completely out to lunch.

They BOTH suck

May 30th, 2012
10:50 am

Pass the Cheesy Grit

I am 42 yrs old and except for 3.5 yrs have lived my life entire life in either Columbus or the Atlanta metro area.

How long have you lived in the south?

rightwingextreme

May 30th, 2012
10:51 am

josef, then why not just call them nazi concentration camps operated in Poland? everyone would understand that.

Simple Truths

May 30th, 2012
10:52 am

Wow! Jay got noticed by the outside world. He is no longer a third rate liberal hack. He has been promoted to second rate liberal hack.

josef

May 30th, 2012
10:52 am

CHEESY GRITS

Well, where do you live? Not in the same South as I do, I’d say…you’re a bigot, plain, simple and unvarnished.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 30th, 2012
10:52 am

MOST Southern whites? Hardly. Put down the Gaugin brushes and pick up the Monet.

Yes most.

Again I don’t know what planet you are on but the one I’m on, Earth, has a country called America.

In that country there is a region called the South. In that area 50 years ago a black man couldn’t drink from the same fountain as a white man. Until just a few years ago it was still illegal in some southern states for interracial marriages.

That just didn’t disappear when the Dems signed the Civil Rights Bill.

The south just turned Republican and is still as racist as ever.

The good news is that since integration most young people aren’t as racist. And the older crowd which is extremely racist are starting to die off.

So there is hope for the future.

JamVet

May 30th, 2012
10:53 am

Progressive is just a “sissy” word for liberal.

Sissy? Really??

This is the kind of insult that I would expect from a petulant fifth grader.

And your immaturity, though interesting, is not useful…

Sarah Gee

May 30th, 2012
10:53 am

Obama followed parts of Romney’s plan for a structured bankrupty for GM as the best way to achieve a restart for the company. Punping in a billions of our money that we won’t get back and proecting the unions over the bondholders was all Obama’s idea. You might want to be a little less cavlier about the facts.

They BOTH suck

May 30th, 2012
10:53 am

“Spend some time in Middle or South Georgia sipping some shine and you’ll see tht PtG is on the money.

If that’s too scary for you, try Forsyth County or North-Fulton sipping cocktails – it’s the same just the outfits are different.”

You can find it in MI, NY, AZ, ID, WA, etc etc……………..

I wouldn’t say to the extent that you say, but it is where you say and elsewhere as well.

td

May 30th, 2012
10:54 am

When Obama loses in Nov. it is all going to be because whites are racist. The liberal whites already have the plantation race pimp bosses spreading the word that all the African American communities problems are due to white conservative racist. If it was not due to racism then everything in life would be great.

Chuck

May 30th, 2012
10:54 am

Pass the Chessy Grits
Either you are lying or you hang out with the lowet class people in the world. While I am Libertarian, most of the people that I work around are Republicans, if you bring President Obama’s name up you will hear the words liberial, bleeding heart, socialist, and maybe sometimes even communist, but I have never heard one of them bring up his race much less use the n-word. Just because someone disagrees with the presidents policies does not make them klan members.

Julia

May 30th, 2012
10:55 am

Jay, how do you wade through this day in and day out without losing your sanity?

killerj

May 30th, 2012
10:55 am

Sore spot there Jay? What no graph?

josef

May 30th, 2012
10:55 am

CHEESY GRITS

And the stories I could tell you from the Pacific Northwest and “their” view of Indians, Chinese and Jews. But “most?” Not at all…most of them were good people. And, yes, when their bad apples were in control, they did some pretty nasty things, too.

Brosephus™

May 30th, 2012
10:57 am

ajcer

There are more black young men in jail than in college. the percentage of black children born to single mothers has become the norm rather than the exception

You should check yesterday’s threads for the links to the documentary that I posted last night. That way, you can begin to heal your mind from the diet of misinformation that you’ve been fed for so long. Your quote there is proof positive that, when repeated over and over, lies tend to take on the appearance of being truths.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/movies/2003836145_blackmen15.html

In 2005, according to the Census Bureau, 864,000 black men were in college. According to Justice Department statistics, 802,000 were in federal and state prisons and jails, Morton said.

Between the ages of 18 and 24, black men in college outnumber those incarcerated by 4 to 1.

Unless you have verifiable statistical proof to prove the trend has reversed, I’d suggest you begin your quest for truth as soon as possible to avoid further brain rot. If you’d like to see that documentary for yourself, here’s the link….

http://www.documentarychannel.com/movie.php?currID=10403&t=What-Black-Men-Think

Click the “Watch it now” link and begin to heal thyself…..

Recon 0311 2533

May 30th, 2012
10:57 am

Kevin Williamson described left wing mentality pretty well. I think Jay is really happy that he got some national recognition as it doesn’t happen that frequently.

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 30th, 2012
10:58 am

I’m a huge fan of Frederick Douglass. He rocked and is under appreciated for his contributions and forward thinking…a couple quotes I find appropos:

I am a Republican, a black, dyed in the wool Republican, and I never intend to belong to any other party than the party of freedom and progress…

I recognize the Republican party as the sheet anchor of the colored man’s political hopes and the ark of his safety.

How funny are these? He’d be disappointed in both parties today..

Oblama

May 30th, 2012
10:58 am

And like there aren’t an abundance of hate mongers on the left? Bill Maher, Sharpton, Hollyweird, Jesse Jackson, Reverunt Wright, the New Black Panther Party, etc., etc. etc. The fact is that the “mainstream” of the Dem Party is further to the left than it has ever been and the mainstream of the Repub Party is also further to the left. John F. Kennedy would never agree with Oblama’s policies. Sam Nunn wouldn’t be allowed leadership in the current Dem Party. Cut the B.S. – there is more hate coming from the left these days than ever. Their soul has left the Dem Party and is looking for a place to belong.

They BOTH suck

May 30th, 2012
10:59 am

josef

You just have to hate it when a so called fellow “lib” can see less than a blind person……….

Broad brushing and paint sprayers know no political affiliation or ideology

josef

May 30th, 2012
10:59 am

IRA

I have spent plenty of time there. You can find the same thing here in lovely, upscale, sophisticated Buckhead. You’re just as sweeping in your condemnations and much of the same mentality as those who paint “most” blacks as hood dwelling thugs on welfare…same song, different dance.

Lord Help Us

May 30th, 2012
11:00 am

‘Their soul has left the Dem Party and is looking for a place to belong.’

Drama Queen alert…

yuzeyurbrane

May 30th, 2012
11:01 am

I am a native white Southerner. Racism is essentially a state of mind and really has not diminished that much in the South. What has diminished are laws that enforced racism and people’s overt behavior. Lynching is no longer in vogue. For that matter, neither is the use of the N word although I still hear it more than 1 would think. These are, however, significant improvements for black people. I doubt that even Martin Luther King thought there would be an overnight transformation of feelings. It will come some day, I at least hope.

ajcer

May 30th, 2012
11:01 am

I love it when liberals bring up segregation in the south, lest they forget the real and documented segregation in the north and the ongoing racist acts of unions. A quick google search will quickly reveal that northern states were just as bad as southern states, but because the white liberals controlled the conversation in the media, the black people left on the plantation were fooled in believing that racism only existed in the south. also, union thugs have a long and proud tradition of racism. Look at the paltry number of black people in unions and the even more pathetic number of black union leaders and the liberal standardbearers for equality quickly show their racist tendancies.

Again, liberals love talking about how equal they are and how republicans are evil, yet the numbers prove otherwise. continue your liberal diatribe. black people will believe you and benefit from it.

Thomas Heyward jr

May 30th, 2012
11:02 am

Obama has a “kill” list………and he’s checking it twice.
.
Bookman Progressives…………………keep up the humor.
.
I hope the money is good.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 30th, 2012
11:02 am

John F. Kennedy would never agree with Oblama’s policies. Sam Nunn wouldn’t be allowed leadership in the current Dem Party.

Reagan would be a Democrat today …. blah blah blah

JamVet

May 30th, 2012
11:03 am

For all of you so-called conservatives, I am still awaiting an answer to this question from weeks ago:

Who are the great conservative leaders who stand out in the civil rights movement of the past fifty years?

Second question. Are there any?

Donovan

May 30th, 2012
11:03 am

Since the alpha shark has written a short piece on the bragging rights of liberalism, I shall write a short piece on the destructions of liberalism.

Take this morning’s headline on Dekalb county’s school budget woes. Here we have the typical problem with a behemoth run by “free money” (taxpayer money). When times are good there is the usual large spending, large employment hiring, large employee benefits, and large taxes. Not to worry. Everyone gets a large piece of the pie because the government run by those in charge are usually Democrats spreading the good cheer under the cloak of education.

When times go bad money is tight. Spending cuts are inevitable and the merry-go-round is offering fewer rides. Liberals scream bloody murder that the children will suffer. But actually, the teachers are facing lay-offs, substittute teachers are facing termination, bloated pensions are targeted, bloated health benefits are targeted, huge new multi-million dollar schools are put on hold, and classroom iPads are delayed for student’s backpacks. The real suffering is the collection plate being passed around less frequently. Oh, the budget has theoretically been cut, but higher taxes figure into its implementation. Sound familiar? It’s all there for the reading. Is it any wonder that Wisconsin is dealing with the Democrat establishment regarding their problems with public malfeasance?

So let’s hear it from the shark pack about how good liberalism is and what it does for the communities we live in. Off the subject? Yes, but there is a correlation to the subject of liberalism and who gets credit for its bragging rights..

Jay

May 30th, 2012
11:04 am

In other words, Sarah, Romney would not have used public money to rescue Detroit. And, since private money was simply not available at the height of the credit crunch, the US automakers would have disappeared if Romney’s plan had been followed. That’s the plain and honest truth.

In the words of former GM vice chair Bob Lutz — who describes himself as a conservative Republican and no fan of Obama:

“What (Romney) conveniently forgets is that there was zero liquidity in the country. There was no way to fund a private Chapter 11 — even though, believe me, General Motors really tried to get private debt financing or organize a private Chapter 11. But there was no money to do it….

“(Obama) just went in and he put the right team together and he got it done and the results are there for all to see, and I think you have to give credit where credit is due,” Lutz says.

And, despite his own personal political leanings, Lutz says it’s not due to Romney.

“I hope he carries Michigan, but to me there’s something not quite right about a political system that will rely on modifications of the truth in order to get the political job done,” Lutz said.

So thank you, Sarah, for proving my point, and also for illustrating the dangers of being cavalier about the facts, as you put it. Or, in Lutz’s nice phrase, “modifications of the truth.”

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 30th, 2012
11:05 am

A quick google search will quickly reveal that northern states were just as bad as southern states

Huh ?

I must have missed the part where blacks were getting attacked by German Shepards and water hoses in the north in the 60’s.

Not even the same ball game.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 30th, 2012
11:06 am

I am a native white Southerner. Racism is essentially a state of mind and really has not diminished that much in the South. What has diminished are laws that enforced racism and people’s overt behavior. Lynching is no longer in vogue. For that matter, neither is the use of the N word although I still hear it more than 1 would think. These are, however, significant improvements for black people. I doubt that even Martin Luther King thought there would be an overnight transformation of feelings. It will come some day, I at least hope.

Extremely well said. Couldn’t agree more.

Brosephus™

May 30th, 2012
11:06 am

stevie ray: The Democrats are not better and they did win over African Americans with New Deal and continue to get support from that demographic.

If, and that’s a huge if, you are remotely correct in your statement, have you ever stopped long enough to wonder why Blacks were “won over” by the New Deal in the first place? I’ve posted this link several times, but it doesn’t appear that people are that much into confronting history as it really happened and instead choose the revised versions that makes everybody feel all warm and fuzzy inside. The Republican Party had a lock on the Black support until this conservative group in the South came up with a plan to get rid of the Liberal Republican support of Blacks.

http://baic.house.gov/historical-essays/essay.html?intID=5&intSectionID=32

The political realignment of black voters set in motion at the close of Reconstruction gradually accelerated in the early 20th century, pushed by demographic shifts such as the Great Migration and by black discontent with the increasingly conservative racial policies of the Republican Party in the South. A decades-long process ensued in which blacks were effectively pushed outside or left the Republican fold because of its increasingly ambiguous racial policies. By the end of this era, the major parties’ policies and a re-emergent activism among younger African Americans positioned blacks for a mass movement in the early and mid-1930s to the northern Democratic Party.

And the primary driver of that shift in demographics right around the end of Reconstruction????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily-White_Movement

The Lily-White Movement was an anti-civil-rights movement within the Republican Party in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The movement was a response to the political and socioeconomic gains made by African-Americans following the Civil War and the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which eliminated slavery. Black leaders gained increasing influence in the party by organizing blacks as an important voting bloc. Conservative white groups attempted to eliminate this influence and recover white voters who had defected to the Democratic Party.

The term Lily-White Movement is generally attributed to Texas Republican leader Norris Wright Cuney who used the term in an 1888 Republican convention to describe efforts by white conservatives to oust blacks from positions of Texas party leadership and incite riots to divide the party.[1] The term came to be used nationally to describe this ongoing movement as it further developed in the early 20th century.[2] Localized movements began immediately after the war but by the beginning of the 20th century the effort had become national.

According to author and professor Michael K. Fauntroy,

“The lily white movement is one of the darkest and underexamined eras of US Republicanism.”[3]
This movement is largely credited with driving blacks out of the Republican party during the early 20th century, setting the stage for their eventual support of the Democrats.

josef

May 30th, 2012
11:06 am

Rightwing

“josef, then why not just call them nazi concentration camps operated in Poland? everyone would understand that”

I would agree with that and this is what those of us who specialize in the study of and translation of documents from the period do. However, not everyone stops to think about it. In retrospect, I’m sure he would see that point, too. But, again, he was honoring Jan Karski whose heroics were confined to the Polish situation and the camps in which he operated were “Polish” in the context of their location.

Like I said, this was more a problem of simultaneous interpretation than it was of historical or cultural insensitivity…otherwise it would not have been in the context of the case of Jan Karski as emblematic of the true Polish hero.

So, was he a Polish hero, or a hero in Poland?

ajcer

May 30th, 2012
11:07 am

Sorry Brosephus, I was mistakenly and stupidly listening to Obama. I will never do that again….

“We have more work to do when more young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America.”
–Barack Obama, NAACP forum, July 12, 2007.

East Lake Ira

May 30th, 2012
11:09 am

josef – I agree with your Buckhead and your Pac-West comparisons.

Thanks for finding some common ground with me. See, it’s not so hard.

Now, your “hood” comments I don’t agree with.

So, what’s your take on this place? http://www.gapeachbar.com/

I am just dumbfounded at the signs, pictures, and clientele.

Steve Atl

May 30th, 2012
11:09 am

No more making fun of George Bush’s speaking transgressions…Obama just insulted a whole country of 38 million people.

Great job Obama. The Teleprompter must have been in the shop. Let’s see Jay Carney spin this.

They BOTH suck

May 30th, 2012
11:09 am

Pass the Cheesy Grits

If the “cross” gets too heavy for you to bear, Delta is ready when you are……….

jm

May 30th, 2012
11:11 am

I’m sick of the N word

And even citing someone else’s use of it with quotation marks around it annoys me (as in the NR column)

Thomas Heyward jr

May 30th, 2012
11:11 am

Creepy…indeed———————

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in...

“This should help convert more to Paul’s message. Eventually, the war drum coming from Obama’s office will be too loud for a lot of liberals to ignore any longer. An expose like this in the nations most respected liberal paper is good news. (What’s creepy are the comments of so many so-called liberals praising Obama for making the “tough” decisions, but for every one of those there are ten raising serious questions.)”

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 30th, 2012
11:12 am

If the “cross” gets too heavy for you to bear, Delta is ready when you are……….

Ive lived here my whole life. Im not going anywhere just because of bigots.

You just have to tolerate them. Most are uneducated anyway.

Recon 0311 2533

May 30th, 2012
11:13 am

Many Blacks who achieve success in life become politically conservative. The left hates this because black people who’re successful represent a threat to their extremely important voting block. It’s the lefts desire to keep as many Black people dependent on the federal government as possible that way they can enslave both them and their vote. Democrat left wingers, champions of civil rights? Not in the least.

Cosby

May 30th, 2012
11:13 am

Yawn…kind of a tired subject…but since you want to taunt the Civil Rights Movement….then why have the family structure. particullary of the Black family, been so destroyed. Why do we have a majority of minorities living in slums called Government housing and dependent on Government for basic living….perhaps the GOP should distance themselves away from this so called grand movement and point to what a destructibve failure it has been…but I guess if you love being a slave to Big Government, then perhaps it is ok…personally I like freedom.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 30th, 2012
11:13 am

No more making fun of George Bush’s speaking transgressions…

No we can still make fun.

Strategery is still a personal favorite.

josef

May 30th, 2012
11:14 am

yuzeyurbrane

“What has diminished are laws that enforced racism and people’s overt behavior.”

That is the key point. A racism built around a systematic and legally sanctioned structure has proven much easier to counter. Where there were no such laws and structure, the racism was just as prevalent in the minds of the citizenry, but, in the long run, much more difficult to dislodge.

ajcer

May 30th, 2012
11:14 am

JAMVET: you asked about great conservative civil rights leaders. your question demonstrates the great fault of liberals, that someone is needed to depend on in order to succeed. While you liberals think that poor people are too stupid and incapable of achieving greatness on their own, giving them excuses that allow them to persist in poverty and crime, we conservatives believe that all men are created equal. There are enough examples in the real world to show that if someone in poverty believes that they can succeed, they can. Just look at “Uncle tom” Hermann Cain. Or, I look to my own past. both of my grandfathers were dirt poor, literally, and one was a minority. Instead of blaming the evil white man, establishment, or their poor education, they worked multiple jobs to provide for their families. Did they get rich? not even close, but having to buy new stuff like expensive cell phones, sean john clothes, etc. was never on their radar. they didnt think that it was someone else’s fault and they sure as heck didnt think that someone else owed them anything.

rightwingextreme

May 30th, 2012
11:14 am

pass the cheesy grits please,

i think you should check out the long hot summer of 68 in addition to the rest of the 60s and 70s. urban riots occurred predominately in northern cities. there was strong opposition to busing in boston and other areas.

i guess if you lived in la in 1992 and were Korean you might have a differing opinion on this problem. AAs attacked Korean owned stores as a means of payback for perceived discrimination in hiring practices.

btw….bull conner and his dogs were dimocrats!

They BOTH suck

May 30th, 2012
11:14 am

“Ive lived here my whole life. Im not going anywhere just because of bigots.”

Me neither, we will just have to agree to disagree on the extent

And glad you are not going anywhere because you will find them to some degree anywhere you go in these great United States

td

May 30th, 2012
11:14 am

JamVet

May 30th, 2012
11:03 am

For all of you so-called conservatives, I am still awaiting an answer to this question from weeks ago:

Who are the great conservative leaders who stand out in the civil rights movement of the past fifty years?

Second question. Are there any?

There will not ever be any conservative leaders that treat people differently (Race, gender…) because we believe that ALL people in this country should be treated the same under the law. No special treatment and no discrimination.

To answer your question then all Republican leaders are great civil rights leaders because any person that takes responsible actions and graduates HS, does not do drugs or has children out of wedlock should be able to make it in this society.

Thomas Heyward jr

May 30th, 2012
11:15 am

16 year-old American BOY…………………………red mist.—————————
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“Al-Awlaki’s father tried desperately to get the administration to at least allow his son to have legal representation to challenge the “kill” order. He was denied. Rather than give him his day in court, the administration, behind closed doors, served as prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner.The most worrisome aspect of this is that any new powers this administration accrues will serve as precedents for future administrations. Even those who completely trust this administration must understand that if this usurpation of power and denial of due process is allowed to stand, these powers will remain to be expanded on by the next administration and then the next. Will you trust them? History shows that once a population gives up its rights, they are not easily won back. Beware.”
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Obama aka Federalie Top Thug…now has a 15 year-old GIRL in his sights.
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Degenerate.

jeff

May 30th, 2012
11:16 am

I wish just once that liberals like Jay could explain why the leftest ideas are better.
Government control of your life, no incentive to work hard and earn more because you can’t keep it anyway, someone who cranks out 15 kids and stays at home doing crack getting a check from the government gets the same life style as someone who works 70 hours a week, no personal responsibility, .. Sounds great.. Except it does not work, government can not tax enough to pay for all those wonderful ideas. I will stay with my conservative values, I will make my own decisions, I will take responsibility for my decisions, and I will work hard for my self and my family,
and I will continue to believe that governments role should be limited to keeping us safe, taking care of the roads, to punish those who cheat or harm others. And I will even say that to be there with a safety net and a hand up is a valued role of the government. Anymore than that is a power grab and you people that think I am wrong have drank the KoolAid!!!

Thomas Heyward jr

May 30th, 2012
11:17 am

War Criminal……………….and everyone that supports this monster……………accomplices.

Brosephus™

May 30th, 2012
11:17 am

ajcer

He’s no different than anybody else who recites that incorrect information. He doesn’t get a break either. If you choose to do so, take a look at that documentary. There’s a decidedly conservative tilt to it, but it speaks to many things that have become “truths” that are not true at all.

Brosephus™

May 30th, 2012
11:18 am

ajcer

Also, I’d suggest you research things for yourself instead of just believing everything you hear other people say. If there’s no evidence to back them up, that should be a red flag to double check for accuracy anyway.

Chuck

May 30th, 2012
11:20 am

I must have missed the part where blacks were getting attacked by German Shepards and water hoses in the north in the 60’s. “Chessy Grits”

Try looking at the housing riots in Chicago in the late 60’s, or the busing riots in Boston in the early 70’s. How about this Chessy Grits, learn history before you try to teach history.

josef

May 30th, 2012
11:20 am

IRA

You don’t agree that the closet racists making all those comments about the hood are not of the same fibre as trailer trash, Rednecks, and what have you?

Why not?

And I much agree with you on that sign and that place and clientele.

But as for common ground, yes. See, I’m the eternal optimist naif, I believe in the better nature of us all…

BOTH
“You just have to tolerate them. Most are uneducated anyway.”

We couldn’t have said it better! :-)

Freedom Riders 1961

May 30th, 2012
11:21 am

For all of the naysayers that do not believe that the South is not have racial issues, watch the Freedom Riders movie and remember that this occurred in 1961. There are still a lot of racism that is going on down here. Where do you think that the phrase “Dirty South” comes from?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/freedomriders/

Brosephus™

May 30th, 2012
11:21 am

It’s the lefts desire to keep as many Black people dependent on the federal government as possible that way they can enslave both them and their vote.

Nope. Those on the left who push division are no different in their desires as those who work on Wall Street. Follow the money trail, and you’ll find what you seek. It has nothing primarily to do with votes. Those are just a by-product.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 30th, 2012
11:21 am

Why do we have a majority of minorities living in slums called Government housing and dependent on Government for basic living…

I dunno. Maybe only being allowed a chance at an education for the last 50 or so years in the South after 200 years of Slavery and another 100 of segregation might have something to do with it.

Do you honestly believe black people have the same opportunities in this country as whites ?

They dont is the answer.

Freedom Riders 1961

May 30th, 2012
11:22 am

Follow the map and see if it relates to the term below the “Mason Dixie Line”!!

They BOTH suck

May 30th, 2012
11:22 am

josef @ 11:20

It is great when they say it for you……… would even be better if they look in the mirror and recite it 100 times

:-)

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 30th, 2012
11:24 am

Try looking at the housing riots in Chicago in the late 60’s, or the busing riots in Boston in the early 70’s. How about this Chessy Grits, learn history before you try to teach history.

Again I always here this one. As if it excuses the behavior in the south.

Sure there were racial problems all over the country. Still are.

BUT NOWHERE NEAR NOT EVEN ON THE SAME PLANET AS WHAT GOES ON DOWN HERE.

NOT EVEN CLOSE

JamVet

May 30th, 2012
11:26 am

JAMVET: you asked about great conservative civil rights leaders. your question demonstrates the great fault of liberals, that someone is needed to depend on in order to succeed.

Pure drivel. (And based on the sophistry in this first sentence, I didn’t read further.)

The two are not remotely connected.

QUIT dodging the question!

Again, who are these conservative men that I ask the names of?

You, so far, have provided ZERO.

Think, man!

Surely you can come up with at least one!

Recon 0311 2533

May 30th, 2012
11:28 am

Nope. Those on the left who push division are no different in their desires as those who work on Wall Street. Follow the money trail, and you’ll find what you seek. It has nothing primarily to do with votes. Those are just a by-product.

Don’t see a corollary between Wall Street and black people on public assistance who’ve been sold a bill of goods that Democrats look out for their interests, while Republicans don’t care.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 30th, 2012
11:29 am

Interesting Tidbit

Sikorski, the polish Foriegn Minister with his jockey pants in a wad just happens to have been a columnist for the National Review, fellow at AEI and advisor to Rupert Murdoch.

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