In Fallujah, Iwo Jima, Chickamauga and … in Flanders fields

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

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TM

May 28th, 2012
6:37 am

Where have all the flowers gone?
Long time passing………

Thank you, vets

May 28th, 2012
6:41 am

Do not fear you died for naught

weetamoe

May 28th, 2012
6:42 am

In a wood they call the Rouge Bouquet
There is a new made grave today
And Patrick, Bridget, Colli……..

weetamoe

May 28th, 2012
6:43 am

Roses are blooming in Picardy

Thank you, vets

May 28th, 2012
6:43 am

Do not fear you died for naught
The torch you threw to us we caught
Ten million hands will hold it high
and freedom’s light shall never die
We learned the lesson that you taught
in Flanders Fields

W

Mr_B

May 28th, 2012
7:06 am

Had he and I but met
By some old ancient inn,
We should have set us down to wet
Right many a nipperkin!

But ranged as infantry,
And staring face to face,
I shot at him as he at me,
And killed him in his place.

I shot him dead because—
Because he was my foe,
Just so: my foe of course he was;
That’s clear enough; although

He thought he’d ‘list, perhaps,
Off-hand like—just as I—
Was out of work—had sold his traps—
No other reason why.

Yes; quaint and curious war is!
You shoot a fellow down
You’d treat, if met where any bar is,
Or help to half a crown.

Thomas Hardy

ken

May 28th, 2012
7:09 am

God bless all that gave their lives. My Uncle was killed and buried in North Africa in WW2. Never met him but I am sure he was a good man like all of the others .

barking frog

May 28th, 2012
7:13 am

Even Generals are just
soldiers in service to
their country. So to all
the soldiers in all the
services who died in
uniform SALUTE!

Thank you, vets

May 28th, 2012
7:35 am

Your flaming torch aloft we bear
With burning heart; an oath we swear
to keep the faith, to fight it through,
to crush the foe, or sleep with you
in Flanders Fields

JamVet

May 28th, 2012
7:43 am

We walked among the crosses
Where our fallen soldiers lay.
And listened to the bugle
As taps began to play.

The Chaplin led a prayer
We stood with heads bowed low.
And I thought of fallen comrades
I had known so long ago.

They came from every city
Across this fertile land.
That we might live in freedom.
They lie here ‘neath the sand.

I felt a little guilty
My sacrifice was small.
I only lost a little time
But these men lost their all.

Now the services are over
For this Memorial Day.
To the names upon these crosses
I just want to say,

Thanks for what you’ve given
No one could ask for more.
May you rest with God in heaven
From now through evermore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38wx8C7VmB4

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May 28th, 2012
8:26 am

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godless heathen

May 28th, 2012
8:26 am

Something I wrote a few years ago.

I Didn’t Know Allan Lee Schmidt

I didn’t know Allan Lee Schmidt. I don’t know if he went by Allan or by Lee. I will probably never know anyone that knew Allan. He died when I was only 13 years old, on November 6, 1968. That was a Wednesday, three weeks and a day before Thanksgiving. On that day I would have been “coming of age” in a rural school 8th grade class. As an 8th grader, the top grade in our school, I was quite full of myself, and oblivious to death and war outside of the history books.

I recall studying arithmetic, geography, history, and social studies in those days, and I recall us receiving a newsletter every week or two called “Current Events”. I recall The Vietnam War as the lead story on the NBC News that religiously aired in our home at 7PM Eastern every night, but Vietnam was geographically a half a world away from Brooks, Georgia and a couple of universes away from the life of a boy who had just graduated from playing Army with sticks in the playground, imitating the TV show Combat. At that time, my female classmates were much more enthralling than our country’s battle against the spread of world communism.

So why tonight am I writing about Allan Lee Schmidt? I was Internet surfing and found a web site that listed the names on The Vietnam Memorial (The Wall) in D.C. I just clicked on a name and read a very brief, government-issue record of his life and service. (Last name: SCHMIDT, First name: ALLAN LEE)

Allan or Lee (I bet his mother called him Allan Lee from time to time.) lived in Tipton, Iowa, born August 12, 1948, seven years before I was born, and one day short of four years before my older brother entered the world. (Home of Record (official): TIPTON, State (official): IA, Date of Birth: THURSDAY, AUGUST 12, 1948, Sex:MALE, Race: CAUCASION, Marital Status: SINGLE)

I looked up Tipton, IA on the Internet. Tipton is located at the intersection of the dead north-south running IA Route 38 and the dead east-west running IA Route 130, about halfway between Iowa City and Moline; what we know today as “fly-over country”. How strange that term would have sounded to the rising man of 20 who got off a plane in South Vietnam on October 9, 1968.

I can speculate that Allan grew up on a corn farm near Tipton, his father a hardworking WWII veteran, but I don’t really know.

Allan’s official record lists his “Component” as Selective Service. I think that means that he was chosen by the not-so-selective, Selective Service. In other words, he got drafted. He could have avoided this honor, as many did, but maybe an “honorable” method of escaping The Draft (such as College) was not available. Possibly Allan welcomed this opportunity to get out of Tipton and to see the world. (Component: SELECTIVE SERVICE, Pay grade: E3, MOS (Military Occupational Specialty code): 11B10, Major Organization: 1st CAVALRY DIV))

While he traveled farther from his home than I ever have or ever will, Allan didn’t get to see much of the world. His “tour” of Vietnam was brief. (Start of tour: WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 9, 1968). By Wednesday, November 6th, 1968, Allan was dead. (Date of Casualty: WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 6th, 1968 Casualty type: (A2) HOSTILE, DIED OF WOUNDS. Reason: GUN, SMALL ARMS FIRE (GROUND CASUALTY)).

I’ve heard that if you survived the first month you had a good chance of going home after your tour. Alan didn’t. Twenty eight days in country, nine months short of his 21st birthday, he was dead.

Allan made the ultimate sacrifice for his country. By some rationalization he must have made the life of that 8th grade boy better, or at least I hope so. Maybe the best thing Allan did for me was that by reading stark words about his short life on a computer monitor, I realize how fortunate I have been.

Thank you Allan Lee Schmidt. I apologize for not thinking about you in 1968, but I’m thinking about you today.


— General / Personal —
Last name: SCHMIDT
First name: ALLAN LEE
Home of Record (official): TIPTON
State (official): IA
Date of Birth: Thursday, August 12, 1948
Sex: Male
Race: Caucasian
Marital Status: Single
— Military —
Branch: Army
Rank: PFC
Serial Number: 54931254
Component: Selective Service
Pay grade: E3
MOS (Military Occupational Specialty code): 11B10
Major Organization: 1st Cavalry Div
— Action —
Start of Tour: Wednesday, October 9, 1968
Date of Casualty: Wednesday, November 6, 1968
Age at time of loss: 20
Casualty type: (A2) Hostile, died of wounds
Reason: Gun, small arms fire (Ground casualty)
Country: South VietNam
Province: Tay Ninh
The Wall: Panel 39W – Row 029

GT

May 28th, 2012
8:28 am

May Ira Hayes particularly rest in peace.

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May 28th, 2012
8:29 am

Whoops…just got up…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2F-drjUwNU&skipcontrinter=1

Dedicated to my Southern ancestors…and since we are Scot Irish..this too…,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWB7_o6×6DA&feature=related

But to all families, friends and fallen comrades, I wish a wonderful day of happy remembrances…

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May 28th, 2012
8:42 am

We went to Mom and Dad’s grave site yesterday and then drove to Atlantic Station for lunch. On the way back home, we were struck by a car running a red light at the intersection of Peachtree Battle and Northside.Dr…My ancestors must have been looking after us. Some, I know, are still wandering around that battle field. Anyway, we survived with just a few bruises…

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May 28th, 2012
8:45 am

kayaker 71

May 28th, 2012
8:46 am

There are 58,267 names on that wall in Washington, DC. 8,283 were only 19 years old, over 33K were 18, twelve were 17, five were 16 and one was only 15. 997 were killed on their first day in country, 1448 were killed on their last. There are 31 sets of brothers, 8 women (one a nurse in our hospital in Da Nang) and 153 Medal of Honor winners.
Compared to Antietam Bridge on September 17, 1862, however, VN was a walk in the park. On the single bloodiest day in American history, 23,000 Americans lost their lives. The battle lasted about 14 hours…… that’s one casualty every two seconds.
May they all rest in peace.

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May 28th, 2012
8:55 am

Kayaker…

Amen to that.

josef

May 28th, 2012
9:01 am

Heathen

A most excellent piece for where I thoughts should be for a moment today…thank you.

NORMAL

Be careful. You know we’re not supposed to honor those soldiers.

JoeFann

May 28th, 2012
9:09 am

Never been a poetry buff, but thanks to all the contributors. Today is for stopping. And thinking. And imagining, even if you have no direct memories. Thanks to all who gave me that freedom, and to all who guard it still. Thanks also to you with whom I both agree and disagree agreeably. Steel can’t sharpen itself. But civil discourse, in its own way, keeps freedom’s flame attended, too. Blessings to all, on this solemn and sacred Day.

Curious Observer

May 28th, 2012
9:22 am

On a desolate hill above remote Blue Sulphur Springs, West Virginia, lie the remains of mostly young Confederate soldiers, dead of wounds, cholera, typhus, pneumonia, and other ills. Hardly anyone visits the small cemetery, which is often overgrown with weeds and underbrush. Only the kindness of occasional residents of the area allows the cemetery to be recognizable at all. Only a roadside marker on Route 12, some seven miles away, announces the presence of the cemetery. Although it is not politically correct to pay tribute to these lads, I will do so here, for they died, too—young and far from home. One last time, let the world see their names:

Addington, John W. 50th Virginia 9/28/1861
Arnold, Jacob J. 13th Georgia 11/5//1861
Bain, Daniel 24th North Carolina 10/20/1861
Baker, Levin 24th North Carolina 11/12/1861
Barrett, William L. 24th North Carolina 11/25/1861
Barrington, Daniel 13th Georgia 10/20/1861
Bell, Henderson 50th Virginia 9/30/1861
Bowman, Hugh 50th Virginia 10/3/1861
Brooks, Charles D. 24th North Carolina 11/20/1861
Brown, James H. 24th North Carolina 10/26/1861
Campbuell, W. 45th Virginia 9/25/1861
Cameron, William B. 45th Virginia 9/20/1861
Carson, Samuel T. 24th North Carolina 10/22/1861
Clark, Neil A. 24th North Carolina 10/21/1861
Clarke, Charles D. 24th North Carolina 11/23/1861
Collier, James R. 24th North Carolina 10/22/1861
Contrail, Alex 24th North Carolina 9/25/1861
Dawson, William A. 50th Virginia 10/29/1861
Drumwright, William H. 13th Georgia 11/19/1861
Ellis, Henry 24th North Carolina 10/29/1861
Ellis, James H. W. 24th North Carolina 10/29/1861
Evans, Wesley 24th North Carolina 10/29/1861
Faber, William W. 13th Georgia 9/27/1861
Gainey, John 45th Virginia 12/4/1861
Godwin, Leonard 24th North Carolina 11/17/1861
Gray, John H. 24th North Carolina 11/23/1861
Green, John W. 24th North Carolina 11/13/1861
Hall, Henry 50th Virginia 9/28/1861
Hankins, John C. 50th Virginia 9/18/1861
Hatcher, John 50th Virginia 10/5/1861
Hemby, Thomas J. 24th North Carolina 1861/day unknown
Horne, William H. 24th North Carolina 10/25/1861
Horton, Aaron 45th North Carolina 10/31/1861
Jones, Jesse R. 24th North Carolina 11/26/1861
King, Nathaniel 13th Georgia 11/15/1861
Livsey, William C. 50th Virginia 9/23/1861
Lovet, B. Grantham 24th North Carolina 10/28/1861
Malone, Samuel Y. 24th North Carolina 10/28/1861
Marlow, Robert 45th Virginia 9/16/1861
McClellan, Neill 24th North Carolina 12/10/1861

Mealor, J. M. 13th Georgia 11/9/1861
Neff, Abraham 13th Georgia 10/20/1861
Norris, C. R. 24th North Carolina 11/5/1861
Palmer, Asbury Matthew 24th North Carolina 10/23/1861
Pearce, William Frank 24th North Carolina 10/30/1861
Perry, Fenny 24th North Carolina 11/4/1861
Perry, Furney 24th North Carolina 11/25/1861
Phelps, Benjamin H. 13th Georgia 11/16/1861
Porter, J. W. 13th Georgia 12/6/1861
Prevatt, John D. 50th Virginia 11/3/1861
Ready, James W. 13th Georgia 9/24/1861
Sanders, J. P. 51st Virginia 11/1/1861
Sexton, Eli 50th Virginia 10/20/1861
Sifford, Lewis C. 24th North Carolina 9/25/1861
Snipes, John A. 45th Virginia 11/16/1861
Tabor, William W. 13th Georgia 9/27/1861
Talley, William M. 13th Georgia 10/22/1861
Thomas, James W. 50th Virginia 11/8/1861
Vanover, William 50th Virginia 9/30/1861
Vines, David C. 50th Virginia 11/1/1861
Whitaker, Richard 13th Virginia 10/21/1861

Brosephus™

May 28th, 2012
9:23 am

kayaker

Antietam is still the single worst casualty rate for US military for any conflict to date. I’ve walked the fields there, and it’s something to really think about when you realize the history that you’re standing on.

http://www.nps.gov/anti/historyculture/casualties.htm

Antietam was so violent in that single day that no exact casualty count is known. There were even 6 generals who didn’t leave the fields that day if I remember correctly.

I’ll always be thankful of those who paid the ultimate sacrifice for country. I’m also thankful for those who served, returned home, and are now in their eternal home. May this day of solemn remembrance be a great day for us all who are still here to acknowledge those who worked to keep us free.

Orange 12

May 28th, 2012
9:25 am

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 28th, 2012
9:30 am

Grass

PILE the bodies high at Austerlitz and Waterloo.
Shovel them under and let me work—
I am the grass; I cover all.

And pile them high at Gettysburg
And pile them high at Ypres and Verdun.
Shovel them under and let me work.
Two years, ten years, and passengers ask the conductor:
What place is this?
Where are we now?

I am the grass.
Let me work.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 28th, 2012
9:50 am

“There are 58,267 names on that wall in Washington, DC”

On my dad’s first trip to DC to visit me when I lived there, I took him to The Wall – it’s moving enough as it is, but when my dad, an 80-year-old vet, himself, looked at the row after row after row of names and just said quietly, “such a waste, such a waste” … to be frank, his reaction affected me as much as the wall, itself.

Mighty Righty

May 28th, 2012
10:10 am

Thank you, all who gave so much.

Mary Elizabeth

May 28th, 2012
10:11 am

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May 28th, 2012
10:11 am

Josef,
Maybe not, but they are my folks. Memorial Day is to honor past family too….so I’ll do what I have too. All warriors of every family should be remembered today…especially families like your “Unmentionable” has. Honor Crazy Horse as you would Custer.

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May 28th, 2012
10:12 am

Mary Elizabeth

May 28th, 2012
10:11 am

Amen to that, too…

getalife

May 28th, 2012
10:16 am

Yes, they are heroes and our greatest Americans.

Honor them every single day.

josef

May 28th, 2012
10:17 am

NORMAL

Crazy horse, well, yeah…but for him it’s General Pushmataha and General Stand Watie!

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May 28th, 2012
10:20 am

josef

May 28th, 2012
10:17 am
Yes, I remember, but I was using names the “other people” would recognize… :)

Jm

May 28th, 2012
10:28 am

May we remember those that have passed

And may we look out for those that are still with us

Paulo977

May 28th, 2012
10:35 am

Soldiers are sworn to action;they must win
Some flaming,fatal climax with their lives.
Soldiers are dreamers , when the guns begin
They think of firelit homes, clean beds and wives.

I see them in foul dug-outs, gnawed by rats ,
And in the ruined trenches, lashed with rain,
Dreaming of things they did with balls and bats,
And mocked by hopeless longing to regain
Bank-holidays ,and picture shows , and spats
And going to the office in the train .

SIEGFRIED SASSOON ..1918!!!!!!!!

The dance goes on and on and on and on…………………………………

Shine

May 28th, 2012
10:47 am

gag–a yankee invader song…..double gag

Old Goober

May 28th, 2012
10:56 am

The abortion metaphor taken to extremes:

The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner

From my mother’s sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.

Randall Jarrell

St Simons- that all you got, beryl? phht

May 28th, 2012
10:59 am

Taps at Sundown at the Lighthouse.
The whole island goes silent for you great Americans.

LeeH1

May 28th, 2012
11:08 am

Change one word a bit, and you get: “When Jenny Comes Marching Home”

Dr. Pangloss

May 28th, 2012
11:23 am

jconservative

May 28th, 2012
11:33 am

“And may we look out for those that are still with us.”

Amen, Jm.

Paulo977

May 28th, 2012
11:39 am

josef

May 28th, 2012
11:45 am

SHINE

Actually, both sides sang that one….

And perhaps it’s not so wrong that we seem to be centering here on the Late Misunderstanding. Though there are many stories of the origins of this day, the most generally accepted is that it began when the ladies of Columbus, Mississippi went to clean and decorate the cemetery where the soliders were buried. When some objected to decorating the Yankees’ graves, one of them whose son had died in the Gettysburg campaign, said that she certainly hoped that some Yankee lady would do the same for her son. Those objecting were shamed and it became the custom, hailed by the press as a first sign of peace and reconcilliation.

Just saying..

May 28th, 2012
11:46 am

Sp4 Wayne Fischer/January 7, 1969.
1stSgt Charles Walker/March 29, 1969.
My friends. Never forgotten.

Soothsayer

May 28th, 2012
11:47 am

if Romney believes the government doesnt create wealth why does he want the top government job

May 28th, 2012
11:53 am

i would never fight for my country. i’m not putting on a uniform for anybody. obviously 98% of Americans agree with me because they didnt serve either

Oscar

May 28th, 2012
12:05 pm

Dr. Pangloss

May 28th, 2012
11:23 am
And don’t forget Mark Twain:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/twain1

_________

Twain joined the Confederate Army. After a few days, he deserted and moved to California for the duration of the war.

if Romney believes the government doesnt create wealth why does he want the top government job

May 28th, 2012
12:11 pm

our military is used to incease profits for the military defense contractors

237more days

May 28th, 2012
12:13 pm

Godless,
Thanks, that was moving and telling.
God Bless all men and women of our Armed Forces, alive and passed.
May we not forget…………….

kayaker 71

May 28th, 2012
12:17 pm

if Romney, etc
12:11,

Our military is used to defend your sorry ass so you can make stupid statements. Yeah, we even defend people like you.

if Romney believes the government doesnt create wealth why does he want the top government job

May 28th, 2012
12:17 pm

i hate this phony patriotism and fake love for the military. the only reason Americans “love” the military now is that theres no draft so their sons are home safe and sound. if we had a draft these same faux patriots would be protesting the army/war etc.

if Romney believes the government doesnt create wealth why does he want the top government job

May 28th, 2012
12:18 pm

the best way to show love for the military is stop sending them to war to appease rabid chickenhawks

if Romney believes the government doesnt create wealth why does he want the top government job

May 28th, 2012
12:20 pm

@kay yak yak yak

i dont need defending from phony made up enemies

if Romney believes the government doesnt create wealth why does he want the top government job

May 28th, 2012
12:21 pm

the best way to show love for the military is to double their pay.

if Romney believes the government doesnt create wealth why does he want the top government job

May 28th, 2012
12:25 pm

44% of the military vote for OBAMA in 2008. it will be much higher this time because they know rightwing chickenhawks are eager to send them to war like DUBYA did..

Soothsayer

May 28th, 2012
12:26 pm

It ain’t me, OK?

Mr_B

May 28th, 2012
12:28 pm

“Twain joined the Confederate Army. After a few days, he deserted and moved to California for the duration of the war.”

According to Twain’s account of his military service, he left the Confederate forces because it was the only way to make it a fair fight for the Union.

captguitarman

May 28th, 2012
12:42 pm

I’m afraid that I am not only stealing this from whoever wrote it, but also not quoting it exactly. The DAV organization sometimes sends out patriotic stickers, decals, etc. to those who contribute, and my favorite is a decal that simply states on an American Flag Background “Freedom Isn’t Free” — which leads me to this paraphrased quote: We don’t have freedom of speech because we have newspapers, books, magazines and electronic media (and now the Internet). We don’t have freedom of religion because we have pastors, priests, rabbis, imans and churches, synogogues, and temples. We don’t have a government of laws and not men because we have lawyers, judges, and court houses. We don’t have free and open and unlimited opportunities to educate ourselves because we have professors, teachers, schools, colleges, and universities. We don’t a free economic system open to all to create ideas, work hard, take risks and to become wildly successful or to fail, and every level in between because we have Wall Street, banks, and the federal reserve. NO. We have all of these things and more because American soldiers bravely went to war and gave their last full measure of devotion so that America will always be free. And those Americans who understand that will be forever grateful and forever in their debt.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 28th, 2012
1:12 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB2Ad04mukI&feature=related

(Music theme for the movie “We Were Soldiers” ….. old balland entitled ………. “Sgt. McKenzie”)

“Joseph MacKenzie wrote the haunting lament after the death of his wife, Christine, and in memory of his great-grandfather, Charles Stuart MacKenzie, a sergeant in the Seaforth Highlanders, who along with hundreds of his brothers-in-arms from the Elgin-Rothes area in Moray, Scotland went to fight in the Great War (World War I).

Sergeant MacKenzie was bayoneted to death at the age of 35, while defending one of his badly injured fellow soldiers in the hand-to-hand fighting of the trenches.”

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 28th, 2012
1:20 pm

Since Jay chose to mention Fallujah:

“No True Glory (A Frontline Account of the Battle of Fallujah)”

Chapter 27/page 303 – The House From Hell

Note: This passage refers to the THIRD TIME Marines had to die attacking Fallujah due to the waffling of politcal weasles back here in our government.

Yes, sometimes it’s even Republicans. For me it was President Johnson.

I call ‘em like I see ‘em.

“The Marines waited several minutes, then moved forward into the dusty rubble. They saw two bodies lying among the slabs. As they drew closer, they noticed one of them move. “They’re still alive !”

An arm flicked limply forward, and a grenade tumbled toward the Marines. They turned and ran for cover. Sanchez saw Grapes and Crossan racing by him ………… the grenade went off injuring no one.

Seven Marines climbed back up the rubble and fired 200 rounds into the two insurgents. Among the detritus, 1/Lt Grapes saw a woolen winter skullcap with bright colors, the kind worn by fighters in Chechnya. He kicked it into the dirt.”

P.S.

I hope some armchair warrior Congressman doesn’t read this account or he might call for an investigation to have those seven Marines (if they’re still alive) prosecuted for excessive force.

God help us !

GT/MIT

May 28th, 2012
1:21 pm

A fitting tribute to all those that have served to protect our right to hold and voice whatever opinion we choose. Thanks and may God bless.

josef

May 28th, 2012
1:23 pm

If Romney…

Just so you don’t get too carried away, bear in mind that no small few or those we honor today died so you could come in with your comments, however despicable and tasteless they may be…you live in a society and a constitutional democracy which makes it possible for you to do so without fear…

Thanks for reminding us…

Tom Middleton

May 28th, 2012
1:23 pm

I watch as you argue, always disagree,
Then come the threats and then comes me.
You send me to battle to kill so you can win,
And then I die so you can do it all again!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 28th, 2012
1:37 pm

Any of you on here today who were in Nam will remember Chris Noel ………. an unsung hero of that war to us. She had the program “A Date With Chris” everynight on Armed Forces Radio Vietnam.

It brought us just a little touch of home back in the days when the only communication was a letter (10 day turnaround time).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv30DrFYZV0&feature=related

http://www.historynet.com/keeping-a-date-with-chris-noel.htm

We “grunts” listened everynight we could when we were “back in the rear with the gear…………… :o )

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 28th, 2012
1:42 pm

josef

May 28th, 2012
1:45 pm

From the war to end all wars…let’s lighten up a bit, eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtt6i2SGKPc

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 28th, 2012
1:45 pm

if Romney believes the
government doesnt
create wealth why does
he want the top
government job :

I haven’t seen you on here before and you certainly have the right to post what you want, but this is for you:

“When civilized man can no longer stand the horror of war
and refuses to fight.

Then he will surely be killed or enslaved by the uncivilized
who can.”

Author unknown

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 28th, 2012
1:47 pm

josef:

“From the war to end all wars…let’s lighten up a bit, eh?”

Can’t. There are over 58,000 names on that wall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpBiVpSggNs

josef

May 28th, 2012
1:55 pm

SCOUT

Yes, you can…that’s the point…they died that we might enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Do it in their honor…

josef

May 28th, 2012
2:22 pm

SCOUT

There is a reason we have this ceremony today at noon…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX6nFKtoVwM

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May 28th, 2012
2:30 pm

josef:

No disrespect meant but sometimes those who were there celebrate differently than those who were not.

Both are patriotic responses ………….. just different.

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May 28th, 2012
2:35 pm

josef:

I was at Con Thien for part of this. What a haunting song ………….. “Mansions of the Lord”.

I get chills (and tears) everytime I hear it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgi6nhGTJdQ&feature=related

“Mansions” was originally written for the 2002 film We Were Soldiers, and was performed by the United States Military Academy Glee Club and the Metro Voices.

The hymn also served as the recessional in the 2004 funeral of President Ronald Reagan. That rendition was sung by the Armed Forces Chorus with the United States Marine Chamber Orchestra.

“Mansions Of The Lord”

“To fallen soldiers let us sing
where no rockets fly nor bullets wing
Our broken brothers let us bring
to the mansions of the Lord

No more bleeding no more fight
No prayers pleading through the night
just divine embrace, eternal light
in the mansions of the Lord

Where no mothers cry and no children weep
We will stand and guard tho the angels sleep
All through the ages safely keep the mansions of the Lord”

Tom Middleton

May 28th, 2012
2:38 pm

And here’s the whole thing:

The Soldier

I watch as you argue, always disagree,
Then come the many threats, and then comes me.
You send me to battle to kill so you can win,
And then I die so you can do it all again!

Some of you listen and then try hard to change.
Some of you continue on speaking more deranged.
But me, I just wait patiently for that time to come
When you will have to face me square and everything you’ve done!

Then you’ll know beyond a doubt who it is to blame,
And that it does not matter who it is who wins the game.
It’s all the same when you are dead, victor, defeated alike,
All lie still where no one lives and where no one is right!

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May 28th, 2012
2:39 pm

josef:

Did you notice the flag at the 2:25 minute mark ?

josef

May 28th, 2012
2:42 pm

I got my perspective from my brother who was there. Ecclesiastes 3:4.

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May 28th, 2012
2:43 pm

Tom Middleton:

I hear you but I must refer you to my 1:45 post.

And this from Ecclesiastes Chapter 3:

“a time to kill and a time to heal,

a time to tear down and a time to build,

4a time to weep and a time to laugh,

a time to mourn and a time to dance,

a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,

a time to embrace and a time to refrain,

a time to search and a time to give up,

a time to keep and a time to throw away,

a time to tear and a time to mend,

a time to be silent and a time to speak,

a time to love and a time to hate,

a time for war and a time for peace.”

There are times when evil must be fought no matter what the price.

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May 28th, 2012
2:44 pm

josef @ 2:42

………… and that’s the point. We all have our own perspective. Had you been there (or another war) yours might be different.

just wondering

May 28th, 2012
2:48 pm

Over the course of the United States, only three groups have EVER been responsible for the destruction of american liberty and freedom – the executive branch, the legislative branch, and the judicial branch of the federal government. Foreign enemies clearly never had the ability to invade our country. There were some over time (and some still) that have the ability to destroy us with nuclear weapons, but countries like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and the like certainly have no military capabilities that threaten us on our soil. And yet we are supposed to believe that the US military is “protecting our freedoms” and “defending our freedoms” from these folks and others.

And yet at the end of the day, during the course of every war, during the course of every period between the wars, it has been the federal government that has been directly responsible for the destruction of our constitution, the right of habeus corpus, the Bill of Rights, the right to trial by jury, the right of free speech, the right to be secure in our persons and property from unwarranted search and siezure, etc.

So what exactly are we supposed to be honoring today??

All the fighting, dying, loss of life, loss of limbs, etc. and we as a people are FAR less free than we were before these wars were fought, before these soldiers died, before these trillions were wasted.

Nobody ever seems to have the courage to publically ask these harsh questions. Nobody ever seems to have the answers to the basic question of why our soldiers are off fighting people that do not in any way have the ability to destroy our freedoms, when nobody is at home (except the libertarians) working to defend our freedoms from the only threat they truly face – the government.

josef

May 28th, 2012
2:50 pm

SCOUT

I repeat…my brother was and I do as he taught me…a time to remember in the morning, and a time to celebrate in the afternoon…life goes on. But, then, we’re Jewish…L’chaim!

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May 28th, 2012
2:52 pm

Interesting:

Headline (ABC): “Vying for Commander-in-Chief: 2 Men Who Never Served”

“For the first time since 1944, the two primary candidates for president have no military background.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/vying-commander-chief-men-served/story?id=16443767

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May 28th, 2012
2:57 pm

just wondering:

To me it was quite simple:

“No One Is Free When Others Are Oppressed” Author Unknown

I am a Vietnam veteran, U.S. Marine Corps, infantry.

I volunteered to go to Vietnam to fight for “their” freedom.

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May 28th, 2012
2:59 pm

just wondering:

“have no military capabilities that threaten us on our soil.”

I’m sure you have heard of 9/11 – it was in all the papers.

Tom Middleton

May 28th, 2012
3:02 pm

Scout

Food for thought, Scout. Funny how you never quote the Golden Rule!

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May 28th, 2012
3:17 pm

Tom Middleton:

A great quote when taken in its proper context.

Some use it so say a Christian should never be violent. If that’s true there should be no Christian soldiers, police officers, etc., and some say you should never use violence to protect yourself or even your family. That of course, is an absurd position to take ………. as well as being UNBIBLICAL.

That is not the context of that verse.

Here is a good article on the subject if you choose to read it.

http://christiananswers.net/q-faith/fc-warperspectives.html

Stop wondering

May 28th, 2012
3:20 pm

“So what exactly are we supposed to be honoring today??”

It’s about remembering those that have died defending your right to make such a statement. God bless them.

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May 28th, 2012
3:21 pm

Excuse me: “to say”

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May 28th, 2012
3:22 pm

Stop wondering:

Thank you.

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May 28th, 2012
3:22 pm

“Standing by and refusing to act while harm befalls a neighbor is not a virtue; it is a vice.”

Author unknown

Thulsa Doom

May 28th, 2012
3:43 pm

Just thought I would chime in real quick on Memorial day and say thanks to the service of all my fellow vets on here and 2 other quick comments.

“If Romney believes….” you are a sad and despicable person.

Also a quote that we would do well to remember although I forget the author-” The only thing that evil needs to flourish is for good men to stand by and do nothing”. WW2, the holocaust, Rwanda, etc. everyone keep this in mind please- that although war is detestable it is also necessary that good men not stand by and allow evil to flourish. Happy Memorial day everyone. Doomy out.

Thulsa Doom

May 28th, 2012
3:46 pm

Tom Middleton,

Scout probably doesn’t use the golden rule quote much because everyone pretty much already knows it. Its the other, more obscure or forgotten quotes that we need to remind us- not the ones that we already know.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

May 28th, 2012
3:51 pm

Mrs. Ross, my 7th Grade teacher at Stonewall Elementary, had us recite this every day after the Pledge of Allegiance. She was an amazing person who had a great influence on my life.

The American’s Creed

by William Tyler Page

I believe in the United States of America as a government of the people, by the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed, a democracy in a republic, a sovereign Nation of many sovereign States; a perfect union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice, and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes.

I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to love it, to support its Constitution, to obey its laws, to respect its flag, and to defend it against all enemies.

–Written 1917, accepted by the United States House of Representatives on April 3, 1918.

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May 28th, 2012
3:51 pm

Thulsa:

Thank you ……….. and because it’s almost “always” taken out of context.

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May 28th, 2012
3:52 pm

Hootinanny Yum Yum:

Try that now and you would be fired for “insensitivity”.

God help us.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

May 28th, 2012
3:53 pm

During the 7th grade year, she also had us memorize My Native Land by Sir Walter Scott.

Breathes there the man, with soul so dead,
Who never to himself hath said,
This is my own, my native land!
Whose heart hath ne’er within him burn’d,
As home his footsteps he hath turn’d
From wandering on a foreign strand!
If such there breathe, go, mark him well;
For him no Minstrel raptures swell;
High though his titles, proud his name,
Boundless his wealth as wish can claim;
Despite those titles, power, and pelf,
The wretch, concentred all in self,
Living, shall forfeit fair renown,
And, doubly dying, shall go down
To the vile dust, from whence he sprung,
Unwept, unhonour’d, and unsung.

josef

May 28th, 2012
3:54 pm

Tom Middleton

May 28th, 2012
3:56 pm

It’s you who are out of context, sir: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and do unto others as you would have others do unto you. All the law and prophets are based upon these two,” he said.

These are your plain-and-simple context, Scout, but you always find ways around them. And where’s the faith if you don’t think they work, and how does that make you a Christian?

I mean, like most true believers, I have the will of God for my well-being, so I don’t need a gun. Could you please explain to everyone why you think you need so many?

Hootinanny Yum Yum

May 28th, 2012
4:02 pm

When I was on leave following two years in Iceland, I tried to get in touch with my 7th grade teacher, Mrs. Ross. I wanted to thank her; to tell her how she had been such a positive influence in my life.

Sadly, I learned she had succumbed to some terminal illness a few years prior. I sometimes wonder if she knew the magnitude of change she had forged in this veteran’s life.

So, on this Memorial Day, I not only want to thank the fallen, but also honor those who changed the lives of those that served.

Thank You Mrs. Ross…

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May 28th, 2012
4:05 pm

Tom Middleton:

Do you wear a seatbelt when you drive? Won’t God protect you?

“Oh ye of little faith”

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May 28th, 2012
4:06 pm

josef:

NEVER AGAIN !

Except for Tom Middleton who would let it happen again and again and again.

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May 28th, 2012
4:07 pm

P.S. to Tom:

Have a nice day. I don’t want you ruining the rest of it for me.

Thanks for the exchange.

Tom Middleton

May 28th, 2012
4:13 pm

Scout

I do because I can’t afford the ticket, Scout. But I’m never afraid, especially not the paranoid kind of fear you constantly exibit in your posts. So now it’s your turn again: Why do you not trust God to take care of you and your family, because you don’t trust his will? Just asking.