… in which the Chip Rogers story gets more interesting

There has long been something mysterious and untold about the story involving Senate Majority Leader Chip Rogers, U.S. Rep. Tom Graves and the failed hotel investment in North Georgia that they tried to shrug off onto a businessman with record fo financial troubles.

Some of those questions are answered in a well-told, well-researched and highly entertaining story at Jim Walls’ Atlanta Unfiltered website. It casts Rogers, a staunch and at times conspiratorial social conservative, in an entirely new light to say the least.

More than that I should not say, because it might spoil the story. If you have a few minutes over this beautiful holiday weekend, it’s highly recommended.

– Jay Bookman

289 comments Add your comment

Jeffrey

May 26th, 2012
11:32 am

Gonna check it out. Btw you’ve been on fire lately,jay.

The Fresh Prince of BIll Ayers

May 26th, 2012
11:38 am

It casts Rogers, a staunch and at times conspiratorial social conservative, in an entirely new light to say the least.

To say the least. Sketchy, shifty, sneaky, cowardly come to mind. Should we expect more out of politicians or will this type of character always be the status quo…..

Matti

May 26th, 2012
11:41 am

Interesting read, Mr. Bookman! These resume items sure put a different spin on the terms “hard work” and “personal responsibility.”

barking frog

May 26th, 2012
11:48 am

either the u s attorney
is remiss in his duties
or he is a confidential informant.

Mary Elizabeth

May 26th, 2012
11:57 am

“In those early days, Rogers worked for and later shared offices with John Edens, a gambling industry entrepreneur who in 1992 lost an $800,000 judgment for fraudulent misrepresentation. In the mid-1990s, Edens temporarily housed what he now acknowledges was an illegal sportsbook operation outside of Atlanta.

Rogers and Edens maintained business and personal relations over the years, culminating in a 2009 deal in which Rogers and then-state Rep. Tom Graves transferred ownership of a beat-up northwest Georgia motel to Edens. The transaction later made headlines when Rogers argued that the deal absolved him from having to pay off a defaulted $2.2 million bank loan.”
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Whatever else one gathers from the link, above, regarding Chip Rogers, one can see that his interests and his thoughts have been centered around money. In Georgia’s legislature, Rogers has been a leading proponent for using public tax dollars for school vouchers. The transfer of public money through vouchers to private schools, run by private corporations, could, ultimately, create a situation in which education would be used for personal profit purposes rather than for educational purposes for the common good.

In a somewhat related connection, I posted my thoughts on Gov. Romney’s educational plan at 10:30 this morning on the thread involving Romney’s plan to federalize educational reform. Here is a line from that post:

“More specificially, if the federal mandate gives each state educational power (to continue taxing its citizens within its state for educational purposes) but also gives states authority to use vouchers for private education, such as in private charter schools, then business magnates (on the national level) will come into the states and create their private charter schools, using state public tax dollars, through vouchers, to give them their profits.”

Orange 12

May 26th, 2012
12:01 pm

Republican Kansas Governor Sam Brownback signed a bill aimed at keeping state courts and agencies from using Islamic or other non-U.S. laws when making decisions.

More interesting.

killerj

May 26th, 2012
12:07 pm

So what else is new Jay,sorta like Obama and his legal status as a citizen,you never know and probably never will,you think maybe there was more people involved in that story than meets the eye,I think so Jay,you would be surprised at all the well respected people who where involved.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 26th, 2012
12:25 pm

Well, I don’t know about you, but I’ll always be grateful to Chip Rogers for saving me from getting chased down and getting a chip put in my brain. You know they’re out there in their hoodies with a boom box and a pocket full of chips and surgery tools, just waiting to chase down some poor redneck and turn him into a robot. Who knows, without Chip Rogers I could of been turned into a big Obama supporter and be rooting for a big tax increase. Now I can walk out of my trailer and know I won’t be going back in with a chip in my brain.

And that’s why I’m willing to cut old Chip some slack about this loan. Think of it this way–if somebody’s got a million bucks or so to loan, he’s got enough money to take the loss of it.

Anyway, have a good Memorial Day weekend everybody. Me and the missus and little Nathan Zell George are going to load up in a few minutes and go looking for some free hot dogs and hamburgers in Cumming. You know they’re out there. The trick is finding them.

JamVet

May 26th, 2012
12:25 pm

Nathan Deal, Sonny Perdue, David Ralston, Casey Cagle, Jack Murphy, Phil Kent, Chip Rogers, Newt Gingrich, Larry O’Neal, Cathy Cox, Glenn Richardson, Karen Handel, John Oxendine, Ralph Reed, Paul Broun, Bobby Franklin, Tom Price, Terry England, Saxby Chambliss, Lynn Westmoreland and on an on and on…

Something sure smells rotten in this state…

Jay

May 26th, 2012
12:26 pm

“….sorta like Obama and his legal status as a citizen”

Now that’s pretty funny.

The Thin Guy

May 26th, 2012
12:31 pm

JamVet

May 26th, 2012
12:32 pm

Birthers have no shame. None. (And precious little gray matter.)

Speaking of which, the absurd Sam Brownback was one of the Three Stooges on that national stage…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Cc8t3Zd5E

Chappy

May 26th, 2012
12:36 pm

I don’t know an adult man not embarrassed about behavior in college, nor a southerner sports lover who doesnt bet on football. Your talking about the early 90’s? give me a break..

The hotel default? The wall street meltdown resulted in reduced travel, persoanl and business and closing of millions of businesses hitting real estate investments, as only those passed out for the last 5 years would not know. There are three belated evictions this past week in within the five nearest subdivisions to my home. real estate fail Is hardly news and every last one of them I’ve talked to over the last four years wants to find “a way out”. The paper just reported over HALF of the homes in Atlanta are under water. This is only NOT catastrophe for those who still have jobs. Over half. With reduced business being the probable culprit versus Rogers being any more limy than any other politician…. You, and the report you recommend have not made a convincing arguement.

snoqualmiefalls

May 26th, 2012
12:38 pm

Still waiting to see Mittt’s birth certificate..
Anyone know when and where it will be released?
As long as we are at it, let’s take a look at Mitt’s father’s, George, Mexican birth certificate.
Anyone? Can anyone give me a link where all can examine it, can anyone out there vouch for the state seal on the certificate.
It’s what we call quid pro quo… time to get er started.

Look before I leap...

May 26th, 2012
12:57 pm

“…sorta like Obama and his legal status as a citizen,”

Just got back from Kroger. They have tin foil on sale.
If you hurry, you can save yourself a small fortune.

GT

May 26th, 2012
1:02 pm

There seems to be a shady side of the Republican, religious right, and gambling. Jarrell Walker former chief of staff to House Speaker Glenn Richardson in Georgia was charged with one count of conspiracy, one count of federal program bribery, and 11 counts of honest services mail and wire fraud in a federal probe of gambling-related vote buying of Alabama legislators? He was acquitted but what is a right winger who gets major support from the religious element doing being public relations spokesman for Country Crossing casino in the first place?

Ralph Reed was named in the scandal arising from lobbying work performed by Jack Abramoff on behalf of Indian gambling tribes. Reed was paid to stir up fear in Alabama and in doing so chase the Indian tribe into the arms of Abramoff who would lobby for gambling against Reed. All this in the name of the Christian Coalition. This sounds very similar to Newt and other politicians of the GOP today, fear and God gets votes.

And now Rogers. Seems to me the Lord’s work and our state GOP could find one politician who is not connected with gambling. Do we think this is the Lord’s work? Maybe now you see why some of us do not want to have religion and politics co mingled. If God was a physical being there may be a arrest warrant with his name on it headed his way. All these great Christians and GOP riding His shirt tails now rolling on God saying he made me do it, we were only his mules.

vuduchld

May 26th, 2012
1:23 pm

Well, you idiots voted for this maggot and a bankrupt gubner so you get the crap you deserve.

TM

May 26th, 2012
1:49 pm

Jays headline
NEWS FLASH, OBAMA MOST FRUGAL PRESIDENT SINCE IKE

Washington Post-not the most conservative paper around

Three Pinocchios (don’t get more untrue than that)

Don’t believe everything you read

Cherokee

May 26th, 2012
1:57 pm

Have to say, I love Cherokee County – leafy subdivisions, space to spread out – but gosh Rogers is an embarrassment.

But he’s a Republican so he’ll be easily re-elected by the party of ‘family values’. He hates him some gays and Mexicans, and that’s all that matters.

Orange 12

May 26th, 2012
1:57 pm

“Well, you idiots voted for this maggot and a bankrupt gubner so you get the crap you deserve.”

You are correct. Problem being, there are alot of people with “precious little gray matter” who want to put the same destructive individual right back in the “driver’s seat” so they can destroy what they couldn’t their first term.

josef

May 26th, 2012
2:17 pm

Well, the dark-eyed handsome man does have high cheekbones, and you know there’s gambling in the blood there.

“But he’s remained my friend and I’ve tried to be true to him too,” he [Edens] said.

“My friends will also tell you my strongest attribute is loyalty,” Rogers wrote.

And that no tell motel interest?

And conservative GOPers…

Well, YOU connect the dots…

This is sports we’re talking about here and we know nothing like that ever goes on there…

Then again, they may have just been good buddies who went to the same church and played golf together…

Moderate Line

May 26th, 2012
2:23 pm

When parties become rigidly ideological and people are voting strictly for ideological reasons the parties and politicians become more and more unaccountable. The percentage of people who will decide the next election is smaller than any previous election. It is interesting to me in such a close election who benefits the most from negative advertising. The negative advertising seems to be primarily to motivate the base and to turn off the moderates to the other candidate. Rarely, do I see a compelling argument from either party or candidate to vote for them but rather a negative attack on the other candidate.

Moderate Line

May 26th, 2012
2:41 pm

Examples, Obama is running up the deficit. However, the other side never mentions that revenues are down by 5.2% of GDP since 2000. This being because of tax cuts and recession. Also, defense spending has increased by 1.7% of GDP, These factors account for a debt of 6.9% of GDP. Along with Social Security and Medicare expenditures have risen 2.0. Tax cuts(2.1), recession(3.1), defense spending(1.7) and Medicare/SS(2.0) equals 8.9%. Our current deficit is at 8.5%. From 2000 to 2011 our deficit change 10.9%. This accounts for 81% of the change in our deficit since 2000.

Now Obama attacks on Bain. Obama fails to mention he has received over $14 million from Security and Investment bundlers. He also fails to mention Jonathan Levine has bundle over $1 million. Also, not Obama fails to mention

Bain’s portfolio also includes major successes, such as Staples Office and The Sports Authority. But you won’t see them here. Indeed, Romney responded to the TV ad about the bankruptcy of GS Industries, a Kansas City steel company, with his own ad about Bain’s investment in an Indiana steel company that has grown and added thousands of employees. And Bain itself issued a statement defending its overall record, saying that “revenues grew in 80 percent of the more than 350 companies in which we have invested.

Bain also reinvested an additional $16.5 million in the company(GS Steel), evidence that Bain intended to keep the firm going. Nevertheless, six years later, the company declared bankruptcy and eliminated 750 jobs.
Of course Romeny open himself upt for attack by making a claim that was somewhat of a stretch.
So Romney has opened himself to Obama’s attacks by claiming credit for creating jobs — sometimes without justification, as we have written about before( see third link).
Private-equity firms in general have “only a modest net impact on employment,” according to a studyreleased in September 2011 by the National Bureau of Economic Research that tracked the performance of 3,200 acquired firms and their 150,000 establishments. Bain has not said how many jobs may have been created at the 350 companies in which it has invested.

At the end of the day politicians care more about wining than than the truth. I can’t say I see much difference between the two.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/bundlers.php?id=N00009638&cycle=2012
http://factcheck.org/2012/05/lemon-picking-bain-capital-obama-style/
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/romneys-shaky-job-claims/

Michael

May 26th, 2012
2:43 pm

Quite right old chap. Who among us has not dreamed of setting up an off shore casino in a Duluth apartment? And, I often resolve my bad real estate investments by transferring them to my gambling associates. The bank showed poor sportsmanship by voiding the clever strategem to transfer the property to avoid paying the debt. Indeed, Senator Rogers continues to live the dream.

Look before I leap...

May 26th, 2012
2:59 pm

Am I alone in thinking that maybe Rogers is overdue for a press conference on his wife’s “good Republican cloth coat”?

Fred ™

May 26th, 2012
3:11 pm

Orange 12

May 26th, 2012
1:57 pm

“Well, you idiots voted for this maggot and a bankrupt gubner so you get the crap you deserve.”

You are correct. Problem being, there are alot of people with “precious little gray matter” who want to put the same destructive individual right back in the “driver’s seat” so they can destroy what they couldn’t their first term.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

What are you talking about? Sonny served his two terms and Nathan (s)Deal isn’t up for re-election yet. He’s still stealing his way through his first term…………

Michael G.

May 26th, 2012
3:17 pm

A left-leaning blogger suggests reading a left-leaning article on a left-leaning website. It leads me to wonder something…will these 3 entities portray a right-leaning politician in a positive light, or a negative light? Just wondering…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 26th, 2012
3:22 pm

“There has long been something mysterious and untold about the story involving Senate Majority Leader Chip Rogers, U.S. Rep. Tom Graves and the failed hotel investment in North Georgia that they tried to shrug off onto a businessman with record fo financial troubles.”

There has long been something mysterious and untold about President Obama’s sealing of his college records at Columbia and Harvard but of course the so-called mainstream media (and Jay) shrugs it off as they will let NOTHING (including the truth) stand between their man and re-election.

That’s is all. Marines standby to repel boarders !

Joseph

May 26th, 2012
3:22 pm

Do you honestly think anyone cares to read about something made up just for the sole purpose of trying to create a controversy where there is none? Georgia is a bright red state as you know Jay and is run very efficiently. Unlike the federal gubmint of course run by Barrack Obama and the non-budget run Senate. Why not write stories that actually have a bearing on the average person’s life. Such as the way Democrats piss away our tax dollars…. By the way. You must have already dipped in the sauce reading the typo in your first line. Or perhaps you’re just so giddy to bash a Republican your fingers we’re moving faster than your brain….

Road Scholar

May 26th, 2012
3:23 pm

Cherokee: What about term limits? Another conservative hippocracy?

larry

May 26th, 2012
3:27 pm

Rogers and Edens maintained business and personal relations over the years, culminating in a 2009 deal in which Rogers and then-state Rep. Tom Graves transferred ownership of a beat-up northwest Georgia motel to Edens. The transaction later made headlines when Rogers argued that the deal absolved him from having to pay off a defaulted $2.2 million bank loan.”

Didnt that Edens guy get arrested for forgery and money laudering ? Or was it racketering?

Of course, this is from the same people who say we dont need eithics reform.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 26th, 2012
3:29 pm

Enter your comments here

larry

May 26th, 2012
3:30 pm

Why not write stories that actually have a bearing on the average person’s life.

I guess you havent heard , all politics is local.

But……….but………..but Obama caused Rogers to default on the loan………

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 26th, 2012
3:31 pm

“The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.”

G.K. Chesterton

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 26th, 2012
4:05 pm

And they should pay it back ……… regardless of political party. Hotel rooms aren’t free! Food isn’t free!

Headline (CBS): “City Of Newport Beach Sends Obama Campaign A Bill For $35K”

“Newport Beach’s revenue division is charging the Obama campaign — specifically Obama For America — $35,043.04 for extra police officers, reserve officers and overtime pay to cover a recent fundraising visit.

“I don’t care what the political party is…I am not in the President’s party…if you are using the public sector to support fund-raising..you have to pay for that,” Mason said.”

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/05/25/city-of-newport-beach-sends-obama-campaign-a-bill-for-35k/

Calhoun born and bred

May 26th, 2012
4:08 pm

The important question one has asked is how much did Rogers and Graves pay for the motel to begin with? How Much did they put down? How did they get a 2.2 million dollar loan on that dump? Someone at the FDIC needs to be asking questions I think. The entire loan from Rogers/Graves to the entire Bartow Bank should be criminally investigated. They borrowed 2.2 the bank settled at 1.2 with Rogers and Graves guaranteeing half of that amount. WHERE IS THE MONEY?

Calhoun born and bred

May 26th, 2012
4:10 pm

plus they sold part of the property to the state for $200,000. 2.2 million plus 200,000 is 2.4 million minus the sales price leaves a huge campaign fund don’t you think?

Calhoun born and bred

May 26th, 2012
4:15 pm

And that doesnt count the money took in from room rent the whole time it was open either 2.4 million plus room revenues minus the sales ? Somebody made out like a bandit.

josef

May 26th, 2012
4:21 pm

SCOUT

In reference to your questions on education, you might want to check this out…tells you what 150 years of occupation and reeducation have led to, eh?

http://southernheritageundeniabletruths.blogspot.com/2010/08/myth-of-illiterate-antebellum-south.html

http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/etd-01262010-214805/unrestricted/Hydediss.pdf

Georgia Voter

May 26th, 2012
4:37 pm

I have a feeling there is still more to the story of microChip.

Brosephus™

May 26th, 2012
4:37 pm


Orange 12

May 26th, 2012
1:57 pm

“Well, you idiots voted for this maggot and a bankrupt gubner so you get the crap you deserve.”

You are correct. Problem being, there are alot of people with “precious little gray matter” who want to put the same destructive individual right back in the “driver’s seat” so they can destroy what they couldn’t their first term.

If there was ever the epic Freudian slip, that has to be it right there. Damn right those people who will turn right back around and put Deal back in the driver’s seat to finish off what he can’t get done in his first term.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Perfect example of why you should READ for context before responding to a post instead of knee jerking all the time.

pogo

May 26th, 2012
4:45 pm

Looks like the Dem’s are about to sacrifice another of their own, Elizabeth Warren. Only a few months back she was the darling of the liberal/progressive world. Now, she is considered as damaged goods by the Democratic machine and she is being rquitely eplaced by them with another loser, Defranco. Early on ,Granny Lizard blew Elizabeth’s horn “loud and proud” on here. How embarrassing it must be to publicly display how biased you are and how easily you are fooled by you own bias. Of course Jay does this daily, doesn’t he?

Super TaxPayer PAC

May 26th, 2012
4:47 pm

That’s quite a background going there for a member of the family-valued Evangelical Christian conservative holier-than-thou Republican Party. Why am I not in the least bit surprised.

Fred ™

May 26th, 2012
4:53 pm

How can these so called “moral” conservatives sit here on this blog and with a straight face and clear conscience defend these thieving pieces of maggot dung?

Yet they do it all the time. It disgusts me.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 26th, 2012
5:00 pm

Fred:

Calm down. It’s Memorial Day Weekend.

Good soldires died so you can post what you want and others can post what they want.

Try to be civil for once.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 26th, 2012
5:00 pm

Excuse me: “soldiers’

kayaker 71

May 26th, 2012
5:03 pm

Ah, all the consternation over what some Republican state lawmaker did to fool the electorate. What a dumb-ass this guy must be. Why, he must be the worst thing since John Edwards. Not a single thread about Edwards on this liberal love fest. Nothing. Just continual attempts at making the Republicans in the State Assembly look as bad as you can while ignoring the story of the month. Has there ever been a US Senator tried for campaign finance violations in this country? Especially one that was on the ticket to be our

Fred ™

May 26th, 2012
5:07 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 26th, 2012
5:00 pm

Fred:

Calm down. It’s Memorial Day Weekend.

Good soldires died so you can post what you want and others can post what they want.

Try to be civil for once.
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Don’t tell me about memorial day Jarhead. As to being civil? Whatis NOT civil about expecting those who pretend to be moral to ACT moral and no abide scumbags? You remember that Duty HONOR Country thingie?

How about I will neither lie nor cheat nor steal nor tolerate those who do?

If being “civil” means I have to pretend a scumbag thief like Nathan Deal and this Chippie guyare decent moral human beings then I choose incivility. Unlike others, I will NOT condone complete gutter scum nor stick up for them. I remembver MY oaths MY morals and MY honor.

Memorial Day that. My DD214 stand s on it’s own merits.

kayaker 71

May 26th, 2012
5:07 pm

Sorry, hit the wrong button…… continued….. VICE PRESIDENT, for Christ’s sake. This is history in the making. Can you imagine an elected US Senator in jail? Bookman’s silence is almost deafening. Guess how many threads we would have had if this had been Orin Hatch or Marco Rubio.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 26th, 2012
5:08 pm

josef:

I hear you and we both know the truth on this one don’t we?

If you win the war you get to write the history.

Short story for Memorial Day:

1968 Vietnam:

Marines were very proud of their home states and there were state flags flying outside the front flaps of those big tents we slept in when we were “in the rear with the gear”.

Anyway, some high ranking officer said the Georgia Flags would have to come down as some were “offended”. Orders are orders so they did ………for about a ten days until two Georgia senators and one Governor has his “arse” !

Deo Vindice

P.S.

One time, I was in a company sized (about 160 Marines) assault up near the DMZ. We charged a treeline that had been giving us sinper fire when I heard some “whoops and hollers” to my right. I looked and someone had run the “Stars & Bars” up a bamboo flag pole and I was hearing “rebel yells” !

Was I in the last Confederate charge ??

Fred ™

May 26th, 2012
5:09 pm

There ya go. Kayaker thinks that HIS moral compass and HIS moral example is John Edwards. Personally I think he (John Edwards) is a piece of dog dung notr someone I look up to as Kayaker looks up to him, but then I’m notr a Republican. I HAVE morals, honor and ethics………..

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 26th, 2012
5:09 pm

In the military there is always that “10%” as we called it. It continues ………… I tried.

Out on patrol now ………… everyone be nice ……….. except Fred.

Soothsayer

May 26th, 2012
5:11 pm

It’s hotter than crap!

Fred ™

May 26th, 2012
5:15 pm

Oh and Kayaker? Here is what you CALIMED did not exist (wow has it already been almost a year?). What you got to say now?

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/06/03/john-edwards-a-figure-of-sympathy-not/

Fred ™

May 26th, 2012
5:18 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 26th, 2012
5:09 pm

Out on patrol now …………
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Look like we’re about to have another “Trayvon Martin”………..

Fred ™

May 26th, 2012
5:19 pm

Soothsayer

May 26th, 2012
5:11 pm

It’s hotter than crap!
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Well technically………. crap leaves your body at 98.6 degrees and it’s only 91 degrees outside right now…………..

:lol:

Fred ™

May 26th, 2012
5:20 pm

Chocolate Chip Cookie Pie: Doesn’t that sound good?

http://redskitchendiaries.wordpress.com/

kayaker 71

May 26th, 2012
5:22 pm

Fred, 5:16,

That was June, 2011. …… a friggin’ YEAR AGO. If that had been a Republican, we would have had non-stop coverage of that piece of sh*t. But no, he is a liberal so, for the most part ignored and he gets a virtual pass.

Fred ™

May 26th, 2012
5:26 pm

Gee Kayaker what’s your point? That because over a year ago something happened to John Edwards that it’s now ok that Chip Rogers is a crook?

Really? John Edwards is YOUR moral compass? Explain to me the moral difference between John Edwards, Newt Gingrich, Chip Rogers and Jenna Jameson. I can’t wait………….. I mean are ANY of them moral example that you wish your children (or grand children, I forget how old you are) should try to be like?

kayaker 71

May 26th, 2012
5:36 pm

Bozo goes to Europe and the Middle East on his apology tour, bowing to Saudi kings who run a Wahhabi school that teaches people how to use young kids how to blow up people in suicide bombings. Then he apologizes to everyone within ear sight about American “arrogance” and how many mistakes we have made in our relationships with other countries. This arrogant bastard had the nerve to apologize for this, the greatest, most admired country on earth because he simply does not like America or what we stand for. Well, Mr.”President”, just for you, our European Arrogance in order with the number of dead Americans who died defending those European countries buried in those cemetarys.

Aisne-Marne, France 2289
Ardennes, Belgium 5329
Brittany, France 4410
American Cemetery, Brookwood England 468
Cambridge, England 3812
Epinal, France 5525
Flanders, Belgium 368
Florance, Italy 4402
Henri-Chapelle, Belgium 7992
Lorriane, France 10,489
Luxemborg, 5076
Meuse-Argonne 14,246
Netherlands 8301
Normandy 9387
Oise-Aisne, France 6012
Rhone, France 861
Sicily, Italy 7861
Somme, France 1844
St Mihiel, France 1844
Suresnes, France 1541

Arrogance my as*. May we pause to remember on this Memorial Day, those who have made the supreme sacrifice for our country.

josef

May 26th, 2012
5:47 pm

SCOUT

One of the things I found particularly interesting is that the average salary paid a teacher/tutor at that time relative to that salary’s status to the income placement in today’s society would be $104,000.

That doctoral thesis, which I’m still trying to finish and digest, is one whale of an eye-opening read!

I understand a lot better my grandparents, whose parents were educated under those conditions, near fanaticism when it came to their requirements for us in the hedge school…

Oh, and before I forget, enjoy this special weekend. Do what they would have wanted you to do in their memory, party hearty with family, friends, good eats and good spirits…

Orange 12

May 26th, 2012
5:47 pm

Just remember. There were not and will not be any Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians etcetera in a tactical situation, ever. That was for you Vets taking cheap shots at each other on this weekend of all weekends.

Penn Ave Pimp

May 26th, 2012
6:07 pm

Obama is my best customer.

Jm

May 26th, 2012
6:08 pm

Chip Rogers. Dbag

Next

Dems_R_Idiots

May 26th, 2012
6:50 pm

Jay’s tribute to our fallen military personnel = bash a republican like he already does 365 days a year – 366 on a leap year.

Classless!

Dems_R_Idiots

May 26th, 2012
6:51 pm

Okay Jay when can replace Chip with yet another republican. Happy???

Jm

May 26th, 2012
6:55 pm

Jay

Why don’t you or someone else at the AJC do this kind of deep digging anymore (or ever)?

Not profitable eh?

Oscar

May 26th, 2012
7:01 pm

Jm

May 26th, 2012
6:55 pm

_______

Like other newspapers and magazines,, the AJC has been losing revenue, cutting back personnel and coverage for years. We are lucky we still have a local paper. The New Orleans paper just cut back to three days a week. Changing market.j

Michael

May 26th, 2012
7:08 pm

Dems, I am a vet and glad he told the story. BTW it is not Memorial Day yet. Get a life and a brain while your visiting the OZ.

Recon 0311 2533

May 26th, 2012
7:10 pm

The real story this Memorial Day weekend is those who have fallen in the defense of our Republic. The rest of us fall back in line and that includes those who only earned the good police call ribbon. God Bless and keep those who’ve fallen along with their wonderful families and let us also thank from the bottom of our hearts those who have endured wounds,which they will endure for the rest of their lives.

Recon 0311 2533

May 26th, 2012
7:11 pm

Super TaxPayer PAC

May 26th, 2012
7:23 pm

Happy Saturday.

Proud to be me

May 26th, 2012
7:27 pm

killerj . . thumbs up to you! Jay . . . the joke will ultimately be on you!!

Dems_R_Idiots

May 26th, 2012
7:31 pm

“Dems, I am a vet and glad he told the story. BTW it is not Memorial Day yet. Get a life and a brain while your visiting the OZ.”

Memorial Day Weekend idiot!

josef

May 26th, 2012
7:36 pm

Dem Idiot

As you were informed, Memorial Day is tomorrow…and get your sh*t straight, the Imam is a military brat.

You’re not a very nice person, or persona as the case may be.

josef

May 26th, 2012
7:38 pm

ZamVet

So, where are you? Drive by, just zayin! :-)

Super TaxPayer PAC

May 26th, 2012
7:49 pm

Anyway, I don’t know if this is true but I have heard that the GOP evangelical contingency doesn’t think too highly of this gambling thing. Then again, they did go for the lottery and Chip’s experience with gambling could be very beneficial. All is forgiven, right. He’s a new man, stan. He’s seen the light, right. He’s on the wagon, braggin’. So we don’t need to discuss much.

Don Abernethy

May 26th, 2012
7:52 pm

What are the qualifications for a journalist on the AJC besides being liberal?? Wonder if they could use a conservative right wing English major from a liberal university like UNC? What does it pay?? I can find lots of controversial subjects and that seems to be the only real talent needed.

Fred ™

May 26th, 2012
7:55 pm

OH THE STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!! IT BURNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank God it’s not contagious.

So let me see, we are ALL supposed to kneel in a vigil and contemplate prayerfully and be holy like Newt and Chip Rogers until Monday which is MEMORIAL DAY?

ken

May 26th, 2012
7:59 pm

Nothing about Van Jones ??????????

Recon 0311 2533

May 26th, 2012
8:17 pm

Enjoy the Memorial Day weekend y’all. Remember as I’m certain most of you will, those who paid the ultimate price so that you can enjoy.

Incognito Normal Free, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

May 26th, 2012
8:58 pm

Tomorrow, my family will meet at the Marietta cemetery and pay our respects to my Mom and Dad. Then we will go and celebrate their life and share our stories with them to our young’uns who never got to know them. Family dies and family lives on.

Still, on Memorial Day I am reminded of my own past and the memories of fallen comrades. There is a lot more to Memorial day than meets the eye, but its true meaning lives in the heart.

My favorite Memorial Day song…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PypbEnE2fhU

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 26th, 2012
9:13 pm

RECON:

Yep …….. Memorial Day is really only for those who made the ultimate sacrifice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nJTqpKlZ9U

One and out...

May 26th, 2012
9:30 pm

Jeffrey @11:32 am “… Btw you’ve been on fire lately,jay.”.

You’re spot on Jeffrey if “on fire” means the every day Obama/Democrat/media deflection, deception and digression (and name calling) talking points.

Remember, at the end of the day the only real question for November 2012 each of us needs to ask ourselves is — am I and/or my family better off today then we were four years ago? Everything else falls under the above 3 D’s…

Super TaxPayer PAC

May 26th, 2012
9:44 pm

I’m much better off without Republicans but I digress.

Jay

May 26th, 2012
9:45 pm

“Remember, at the end of the day the only real question for November 2012 each of us needs to ask ourselves is — am I and/or my family better off today then we were four years ago?

That’s true ONLY if you believe that the federal government is responsible for whether you’re better off today than four years ago.

Those who know better know better.

Thomas

May 26th, 2012
9:58 pm

That’s true ONLY if you believe that the federal government is responsible for whether you’re better off today than four years ago

Incomplete thought and statement. The federal, state, and local gov’t sure can stand in the way or emotional and financial prosperity.

Wondering

May 26th, 2012
9:59 pm

Hi Jay, Did you see the AP AJC article Friday afternoon that proved everything you had in you Obama the frugal chart was dead wrong?

Dems_R_Idiots

May 26th, 2012
10:07 pm

Another opinion piece that Jay will no touch with a 10-foot pole: CEO compensation under Obama at an all-time high. So much for Obozo reigning in high CEO pay.

Simplythetruth

May 26th, 2012
10:23 pm

I don’t give a damn what your party affiliation is, ethically bankrupt politicians like Rogers have no business being in any government. I for one am thankful that this information was brought forward. I would like for all of the citizens of Cherokee County to see exactly the types of politicians that we have allowed to infest our County and State governments. This includes the entire Cherokee County legislative delegation, as well 3 recently elected school board members. Whoever is minding the store in the Cherokee County Republican Party, you’d better get off your ass and remind your little lackeys that they are to represent the citizens of Cherokee County and not themselves.

Fast and Furious Spending

May 26th, 2012
10:39 pm

Jay,

Don’t mention National Review. I thought even you would be able to handle a weak link like Kevin Williamson. I was wrong.

You’re weaker.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/301053/yes-party-civil-rights-kevin-d-williamson

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 26th, 2012
10:49 pm

Fast and Furious Spending :

I hate to tell you this but you are in trouble now.

Rule #1: Don’t embarrass Jay.
Rule #2: Don’t embarrass Jay.

You make make Jay’s “disregard” list. I did for violating rules #1 and #2.

Of course, he would NEVER admit that.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 26th, 2012
10:50 pm

Excuse me: “may make”

Fred ™

May 26th, 2012
11:01 pm

Dear Scout,

You made Jay’s “disregard list” due to the irrelevancy of your posts. Of course you would NEVER admit that. You have lost your moral compass if you ever had one. Don’t tell me about Jay, don’t tell me about Obama, don’t tell me about Edwards, I’m talking about YOU and YOUR support of thieves and crooks like Chip Rogers and Nathan Deal. What OTHERS have done is immaterial.

How do you look in a mirror?

JamVet

May 26th, 2012
11:12 pm

jonix, just got back from Jazz Festival at Piedmont Park.

What a great time. Lots of awesome people.

And as the makeup of the crowd was probably 15% white and 85% black, 71, the corporal, fast and frumious, idiot and plenty of the other cons here would never have even imagine attending such a non-white affair. Hell, they would have soiled themselves before they even got into the park…

Fred ™

May 26th, 2012
11:34 pm

Jamvet: Dude, that is SO wrong “bragging” about the festival. I so wanted to go but was over ruled by the wifey (other stuff had to be done truth be told). Glad you hd a ball and I’m sure so heard some great musicians. I am so jealous.

Fred ™

May 26th, 2012
11:35 pm

Correction: Glad you hd a ball and I’m sure YOU heard some great musicians. I am so jealous.

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 26th, 2012
11:37 pm

I don’t know who is on Jay’s ignore list or if he even has one, but, not that you will care, several of you are on mine. I am pretty new to blogging & I have to ask: Why, if you disrespect Jay & us Lib’s, so much ARE YOU HERE??

Have a day of respect, mourning, and celebration of all our heros tomorrow.

Wondering

May 26th, 2012
11:54 pm

G Mare, If you hate living in a red state so much why ARE YOU HERE?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 26th, 2012
11:56 pm

G Mare 71( got the living’ the red state BLUES!):

Because it’s better to be pro-active and take the fight to the enemy even if it’s on their ground.
Figuratively speaking of course …………………… :o

BTW: The “disrespect” as you refer to it is not so much personal and I try to refrain from those types of attacks. We just believe you are incorrect, have been raised wrong and basically have been duped. We’re actually trying to help you and get you to come to your senses.

As I posted earlier this week:

Liberals teach self-esteem.
Conservatives teach self-control.

And that’s just ONE area.

P.S.

Tomorrow is Memorial Day (not Veterans Day). It’s really only for the ones who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 26th, 2012
11:58 pm

“FIGURES DON’T LIE: DEMOCRATS DO”

“It’s been breaking news all over MSNBC, liberal blogs, newspapers and even The Wall Street Journal: “Federal spending under Obama at historic lows … It’s clear that Obama has been the most fiscally moderate president we’ve had in 60 years.” There’s even a chart!”

Yep ………….. Jay likes his charts.

http://www.anncoulter.com/

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
12:13 am

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
12:24 am

“Just as a drug that in the proper dosage can save your life, an overdose of government can be fatal.”

Neal Boortz
Commencement Address
Texas A&M University

davetv

May 27th, 2012
12:37 am

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” Winston Churchill

Mr. Snarky

May 27th, 2012
12:54 am

Chip Rogers, sleazy dude…go figure.

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 27th, 2012
12:57 am

I am here because my 3 children & 7 grandchildren, one of whom is an Eagle Scout & 3 others are involved in scouting which is teaching them, as are their parents and churches, to love our country & to treat everyone with kindness and respect, are here. You do not get to make me “bad & wrong” because I disagree with what I view as your warped & perverted view of the world. We are NEVER going to agree on this, but as Voltaire (I think) said, “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Or in the current vernacular, SO SUE ME. Yeah, I could go on, but it is late, or early on this Memorial Day, so I won’t. One last observation: We all, I hope & trust, love our country & honor those who have died for ALL of us.

davetv

May 27th, 2012
12:58 am

I sincerely believe that the best way to honor those who have fallen in their service to our country is to fight tooth and nail to prevent the usurpation of our country from those who’re trying to fundamentally change it. Those who we honor took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic – and they died for it.

We do their deaths no honor if we allow our Constitution to be destroyed by an enemy from within. The military (so far) cannot fight to defend their oath on domestic soil. It is up to everyday ordinary citizens to defend our liberty and demand our Constitutional rights are upheld.

Oscar

May 27th, 2012
1:05 am

Fast and Furious Spending

May 26th, 2012
10:39 pm

______

He writes well. But he can twist history all he likes, the facts are that Georgia and the South left the Democratic Party because the embraced civil rights and equality, starting in 1948 when the DixieCrats were kicked out, and continuing with Kennedy and Johnson.
No distortion or rewriting of history can change that.

Oscar

May 27th, 2012
1:06 am

davetv

May 27th, 2012
12:58 am
____

I agree. And that’s why I vote Democrat, for the party that upholds the Constituion.

Oscar

May 27th, 2012
1:07 am

Just as a drug that in the proper dosage can save your life, an overdose of government can be fatal.”

________

As cab an underdose, or as the GOP would like, doing away with it entirely except for defense.

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 27th, 2012
1:12 am

Davetv, I understand your concern, but am not quite sure who you think is the “enemy within.” Elucidate please?
Okay, it is late in this old woman’s night, so will catch up with y’all in the morning.

davetv

May 27th, 2012
3:41 am

Oscar – the fact that you claim one particular party upholds the Constitution makes me suspect you are only spouting what you’ve been told and want to be true. When is the last time you actually read the Constitution? Do you know what the term “enumerated powers” means? It’s a pretty self-explanatory term. Actually, the whole Constitution is amazingly straight forward. Our founding fathers did not allow much room for nuance. If you have any question about what something means or what it allows, please refer to the Federalist Papers which were written were published to clarify and alleviate concerns that our new Federal Government was not going to infringe on personal and states rights.

I’ve found that most people, like you, who say their particular party is the one who defends the Constitution- really don’t have a clear understanding of the Constitution. As we’ve seen, even some “Constitutional Scholars” either don’t have a good grasp of the protections the Constitution provides, or they simply disagree with the restrictions it places on the Federal Government.

Our Constitution has been usurped by both parties for generations. A death by a thousand cuts. Remember when they used to call the United States the “Land of the Free”? When is the last time you heard it referred to in that way? Yes, we may still be more free than most other countries, but our freedoms are deteriorating at a frightening pace.

If once you assure me that you have read and understand the meaning of “enumerated powers”, I will be happy to provide a long list of things the current administration, the Congress, and the courts have done which are beyond the authority of the Constitution. These things did not start with the Obama reign but they have absolutely increased exponentially since he came into office.

One thing I wish we would all realize is that the President of the United States should not affect our day to day lives. The politicians we should care the most about is our Governor, our State Senators & Representatives, our City Council members, and our schools boards. The Federal Government should rarely touch our lives. The power that those in Washington have taken over us is not authorized in the Constitution.

The party we should vote for is NOT the one who promises all the things they’re going to do FOR us. What they really mean is here are all the things they’re going to do TO us.

WAW

May 27th, 2012
7:07 am

Seems to be a trend that’s finally becoming public: Follow the money and you’ll find a Republican politician.

Super TaxPayer PAC

May 27th, 2012
7:24 am

Fortunately (I suppose) for some over-the-hill cons, an e-trenching tool does not need a sharp edge or even a sharp operator in order to turn over a rock big enough to hide Ann Coulter.

One and out...

May 27th, 2012
7:28 am

Jay @ May 26th, 2012 9:45 pm
That’s true ONLY if you believe that the federal government is responsible for whether you’re better off today than four years ago. Those who know better know better.

Sorry Jay, those “who better” know that the policies, programs, positions, guidance, etc. of the federal goverment ARE responsible and directly and indirectly impact our personal and family financial and emotional well being.

BTW, thank you for your prompt response to my posting above. Now, which one of the D’s did your reply fall under — deflection, deception and digression???

larry

May 27th, 2012
7:37 am

Chip Rogers and Tom Graves arent the only ones with questionable bank activities .

Paul Broun is also under investigation from the same people that made our honorable Gov resign when he was a congressman.

http://www.citizensforethics.org/legal-filings/entry/fec-complaint-paul-broun-congress-georgia

sheepdawg

May 27th, 2012
7:38 am

scum elected by idiots…….

larry

May 27th, 2012
7:40 am

those “who better” know that the policies, programs, positions, guidance, etc. of the federal goverment ARE responsible and directly and indirectly impact our personal and family financial and emotional well being.

Well, if that is the case then, Thank you Mr. President.

Because i am a lot better off than i was four years ago.

Despite what the local and state governments try to do.

Super TaxPayer PAC

May 27th, 2012
7:43 am

Well, if I were trying to not address Jay’s topic, I might deflect, or deceive or even digress and if that were insufficient, I might try a blend.

Jack

May 27th, 2012
7:46 am

All politicians are devious. Rogers is no exception, but I haven’t read anything about his having a mistress or cheating on a sick wife.

Rightwing Troll

May 27th, 2012
7:56 am

So Graves, a local politician, is given a pass because of failed politician in NC. And we have an article from Ann Coulter that proves what?

Infantile to the nth degree on both counts…

Super TaxPayer PAC

May 27th, 2012
8:01 am

Did the topic get expanded to cover the likes of Glenn Richardson?

Super TaxPayer PAC

May 27th, 2012
8:02 am

And Newt Gingrich.

Rightwing Troll

May 27th, 2012
8:06 am

There’s a reason W never found those pesky WMD’s when he was looking around in his office…

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/man-whose-wmd-lies-led-to-100000-deaths-confesses-all-7606236.html

bob

May 27th, 2012
8:12 am

I read the story. it seems as though Rogers had a real job, something POTUS could not say.

JamVet

May 27th, 2012
8:27 am

Conservatives teach self-control.

Now that is funny! And as evidenced here daily, just another case of Scout’s empty platitudes gone horribly wrong.

Fred, what a great time. Kids running around playing, people throwing Frisbees on the lawn, and of course lots of grilling, eating and drinking.

And all those lovely sun dresses!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuDUWp4h9h4&feature=related

Super TaxPayer PAC

May 27th, 2012
8:48 am

Paul Broun was part owner of a failed bank in Carrollton. I wonder who ended up paying for that. I know! Not Paul Broun. What was someone saying about that deflect, deceive and digress thing. If that bottle of holy water that Broun carries around in his pocket to ward off the demon in Obama were to spring a leak, Broun would melt.

Super TaxPayer PAC

May 27th, 2012
8:51 am

One and out...

May 27th, 2012
9:05 am

Speaking of the Obama/Democrat/media deflection, deception and digression (and name calling) talking points –

…”There is not a liberal America and a conservative America,” Obama declared to cheers at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. “There is the United States of America.

“We are one people,” Obama roared, perhaps envisioning his political future as the crowd rose to its feet. “All of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.”

And strangely enough, it was in that very speech that Obama predicted his own demise. Just before his climactic applause line, the future president issued a stark warning.

“Even as we speak,” he said, “there are those who are preparing to divide us — the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers, who embrace the politics of anything goes.”

On May 21, 2012, more than three years after he was sworn into office, Obama confessed at a press conference in his hometown, Chicago, that he had become one of those peddlers.

That day, his campaign had published a video attacking Romney for his role at his firm, Bain Capital, which bought an Indiana office supplies company and profited off of it before it went bankrupt. The ad said nothing about Obama, and even a handful of Democrats began criticizing the ad for dishonestly targeting the arena of private equity…

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/memoriam-obama-wanted-bring-people/story?id=16407876

Oscar

May 27th, 2012
9:11 am

davetv

May 27th, 2012
3:41 am

______________

Sure, I know what enumerated powers means. It means corporations are not people. It means all people should enjoy the protection of the laws and be allowed to vote, not just the elite few. It means the votes in Florida in 2000 should have been recounted. It means the government is not there just to protect big business, the rich, industry and defense. Those are some of the things it means.

JamVet

May 27th, 2012
9:21 am

Our founding fathers did not allow much room for nuance.

What???

That must explain why for 223 years, we’ve had endless debates and rulings by MANY courts of law, including the Supreme Court of the United States of American trying to codify and decide exactly what those non-nuanced words mean. And why it has been amended 27 times.

it seems as though Rogers had a real job

Reminds me of the inane arguments about George.

Granted, he screwed up virtually every single job he ever had been given, but according to the fake conservatives that made him eminently qualified to be president!

Ten CEOs who did more than cough up empty platitudes about supporting the troops…

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/fortune/1205/gallery.500-military-ceos.fortune/?source=cnn_bin

Mighty Righty

May 27th, 2012
9:34 am

Okay, so Rogers liked to gamble and found a way to turn it into a job. Magazines are full of these sports “touters” and many make a living through their subscription services. This is a “victimless” crime.Gambling in general is clearly not a crime. Only certainly forms of gambling aredetermined by the state to be illegal as is proven by Georgias law approving the lottery. The lottery is a legal form of the “numbers” game which we used to put people in jail for participating in. Just three days ago a lot of time was spent on advocating the legalization of marijuana on this very site becuase many here including Jay believe it to be a victimless crime. A large number of people use marijuana in violation of that law. Our president claims to have not only used marijuan but cocaine as well with out any criticisim from the left. But, this is a Republican! The only difference in treatment.

GA Policy Wonkette

May 27th, 2012
9:36 am

Lawmaking should not be a game of craps!

Readers should understand that Chip isn’t just one of 56 senators – many of whom, Democrat and Republican – are fine people.

As Majority Leader Chip gets to control the agenda in the Senate. Ask him and he’ll tell you: No bill comes to the floor without the GOP caucus deciding whether or not it should. And because he also exercises control of committee chairmanships, the GOP caucus’s “decisions” are actually Chip’s and Senate President Pro Tem Tommie Williams.

If this process strikes you as unfitting of a “deliberative body” it should.

Rogers & Williams have intimidated many good Republican lawmakers to their will while Democrats don’t even stand a chance of being heard.

The voters of Senate District 21 can change this on July 31. I hope that they do.

Brosephus™

May 27th, 2012
9:49 am

While y’all sit here and carry on with the partisan BS, make sure to take a moment in honor of those who sacrificed their lives so that you could be partisaned.

JamVet

May 27th, 2012
9:57 am

Veterans voters per Reuters/Ipsos:

Obama – 44%
Romney – 37%

To me, those numbers are not terribly surprising.

Josh Prentice, recent graduate of the George Washington University Law School who serve with the Army’s 3rd Battalion, 67th Armored Regiment in Iraq: “He’s impressed me with the way he led the drawdown in Iraq and in Afghanistan as well and having a coherent plan or at least seems to have a coherent plan on how things are going to progress there.”

Throw in the fact that First Lady Michelle Obama has long promoted help for veterans and their families.

And of course giving the order to let Public Enemy Number One taste American justice, knowing that Mitt, by his own words, would not even have gone after him.

These times are too dangerous to put a soft on national security, northeastern, liberal RINO in the White House.

LOL…

Brosephus™

May 27th, 2012
10:03 am

Magazines are full of these sports “touters” and many make a living through their subscription services. This is a “victimless” crime.Gambling in general is clearly not a crime.

There is no such thing as a “victimless” crime. If a crime has been committed, there is a victim somewhere of some sorts. Otherwise, the action would not be criminal in the first place. Sad to see the contorting and twisting done to absolve Rogers of his behavior instead of just saying he was wrong and forgiving him. It’s far easier to just say he was wrong, but in true Christian behavior, you forgive him of his previous wrongdoings.

Sad…. Really sad….

Soothsayer

May 27th, 2012
10:06 am

Here’s a glimpse into the RepugNOwecan’t/Consertive/Tea Potty “memory hole” where everything that happened during King Dumbass the First’s reign went. Warning: don’t stand too close to the edge of the memory hole!

March 2001 The first realization that the Bush presidency was going to have long-term implications: Bush sends a memo to the United States archivist requesting a delay in releasing presidential personal records, followed by an executive order limiting access to all presidential papers from Reagan forward.

Also: The Bush administration overturns a Clinton-era regulation reducing the amount of arsenic in drinking water.

April 2001 Bush signs a $1.65 trillion tax cut for large corporations and the wealthy.

August 2001 The “Osama Bin Laden determined to strike U.S.” memo reaches the president’s desk; He’s clearing brush at his Crawford, Texas, ranch on a month-long vacation.

September 2001 An entire nation watches in horror as planes slam into the World Trade Center and Pentagon; “My Pet Goat” gains notoriety.

October 2001 Bush signs Patriot Act.

January 2002 “Gitmo” opens.

May 2002 Bush issues executive order authorizing the National Security Agency to wiretap phones and read e-mails of U.S. citizens.

June 2002 In a speech at West Point, Bush reveals his “Bush Doctrine” of preemptive war; behind the scenes, administrations officials plan the Iraq war.

September 2002 One year after 9/11, Bush asks Congress for authorization of military force against Iraq. They grant it.

February 2003 Secretary of State Colin Powell states his case for war with Iraq; millions across the world protest.

March 2003 Under the guise of WMDs, the United States invades Iraq. Also: FEMA gutted and buried in the vast bureaucracy of the Department of Homeland Security.

April 2003 Congress approves $79 million for the Iraq war; the next month, Bush signs $350 billion tax cut.

May 2003 Bush climbs aboard an aircraft carrier in fighter pilot regalia and declares, “Mission accomplished!”

June 2003 FCC pushes for more media consolidation, allowing one company to own newspapers, TV and radio stations in the same city.

July 2003 Bush: “Bring ‘em on.” Nearly 300 U.S. soldiers die over the next six months.

August 2003 Bush signs a budget that essentially kills the Teach for America program for inner-city schools.

November 2003 U.S. soldiers’ death toll in Iraq reaches 437.

March 2004 At a Radio and Television Correspondents’ dinner, Bush presents photos of himself looking for WMDs around the White House: “Those weapons of mass destruction must be somewhere! Nope, no weapons over there!”

April 2004 Abu Ghraib photos leaked.

May 2004 A Bush-backed FDA rejects the over-the-counter sale of “the morning after pill.”

July 2004 In his 2005 budget, Bush freezes the amount of Pell Grants for the third straight year. After his budget passes, average Pell Grant awards decrease for the first time in six years. Changes in eligibility cut thousands from grant rolls.

September 2004 The federal deficit reaches a record high. American troop deaths in Iraq now top 1,000. Also: Assault weapons ban lifted.

November 2004 Democrats, and former Naderites, gather at bars across the country to watch election results; hopes dashed again; Bush declares the close election a “mandate.”

March 2005 President Bush signs a law banning doctors from pulling life support on Terri Schiavo.

July 2005 Bush appoints conservative John Roberts to Supreme Court; three months later, he appoints conservative Samuel Alito.

August 2005 While President Bush is on vacation, Hurricane Katrina barrels down on New Orleans. Over the next two days, he travels the country for photo-ops (with John McCain and a country music star) before sending federal aid.

April 2006 News reports reveal Bush has issued “signing statements” for more than 750 laws, stating he has the power to override the laws if they conflict with his interpretation of the Constitution.

October 2006 Bush signs the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act, which allows the president to deploy U.S. military troops to police American streets in the event of a “national emergency.”

May 2007 Bush signs a presidential directive that places him in control of all three branches of government in case of an extraordinary disaster.

June 2007 For a third time, Bush vetoes federal funding for stem cell research.

March 2008 Bush has taken 879 days of vacation in his eight years of office, approximately one-third of his presidency; five years into the Iraq War, over 4,000 U.S. troops dead; estimates of Iraqi civilian deaths range from 88,000 to over half a million.

September 2008 Bush’s approval ratings lowest in his presidency as he presides over the worst financial crisis since the Depression.

Mary Elizabeth

May 27th, 2012
10:27 am

Brosephus and other readers, I wish to honor those who died for our freedoms – and especially for our freedom of thought – by educating the public to the mind and thinking of one of the primary architects of our nation’s democratic principles, Thomas Jefferson. I hope that, at some time during this Memorial Day Weekend, many will take the time to read – and digest – the following that I have just posted on Maureen Downey’s blog thread, “State of Georgia is undermining our public schools,” to another blogger who has misunderstood Jefferson’s thinking, in my opinion. (It should be noted that both Chip Rogers and Mitt Romney are supporters of the so-called school choice movement, which includes the choice of private schools using public funds, run by private corporations, which could ultimately dismantle public education. Jefferson was a strong proponent of the need for public education to ensure our nation’s continuance as a democratic republic, for which our soldiers have given their lives throughout our nation’s history.)
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“Mary Elizabeth, 9:51 am

@Jeffersonian, 8:01 am
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‘@MaryLiz: You’re reading from a script that selectively quotes Jefferson’s writings—and does violence to his legacy in perverting it to support the seminal tyranny of our age: socialism.’
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Jeffersonian, in all due respect, I think you should consider choosing another moniker for yourself. Thomas Jefferson was the founder of the Democratic Party which you have incorrectly referred to as the “Democrat Party.” You may have heard the Democratic Party incorrectly referred to as the “Democrat Party” on FOX News (among other media outlets), the television broadcasting company that is privately owned by business magnate Rupert Murdoch. Being privately owned, that broadcasting company can choose to broadcast what it wishes, including rightwing propaganda, if it so wishes. Do not think that some privately owned schools might not be tempted to do the same.

And, you are incorrect in stating that I have been “reading from a script that selectively quotes Jefferson’s writings.” I have no such reference book. I have studied Jefferson’s thought processes by having read and digested, in their entirety, the following books, among others, in which Jefferson’s thinking has been explored, in depth:

“Jefferson” by Saul K. Padover

“Revolutionary Characters” by Gordon W. Wood

“John Adams” by David Mc Cullough

and large parts of

“The Life and Selected Writings of Thomas Jefferson, including “The Autobiography, The Declaration of Independence, and His Public and Private Letters,” edited by Adrienne Koch and William Peden.

What is a sacrilege to Thomas Jefferson is that his name, and his thinking, have been highjacked by the ultra rightwing in our nation who, in my opinion, have only shallowly understood Jefferson’s mind. Let us allow the liberal (as he referred to his own thinking) Thomas Jefferson speak for himself regarding the need for public education to sustain America’s freedoms. From page 109 of the Padover book, mentioned above, here are Jefferson’s direct words, lifted from Jefferson’s “Notes on Virginia”:

“In every government on earth is some trace of human weakness, some germ of corruption and degeneracy, which cunning will discover, and wickedness insensibly open, cultivate and improve. Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves therefore are its only safe depositories. And to render even them safe, their minds must be improved to a certain degree. . .And amendment of our constitution (in Virginia) must here come in aid of the public education. The influence over government must be shared among all the people. If every individual. . .participates of the ultimate authority, the government will be safe.”

And, for a more extensive lifting of Jefferson’s words from his “Notes on Virginia,” Query XIV, taken from “The Life and Selected Writings of Thomas Jefferson,” page 246, see below:

“As soon as they are of sufficient age, it is
supposed they will be sent on from the grammar schools to the university, which
constitutes our third and last stage, there to study those sciences which may
be adapted to their views. By that part of our plan which prescribes the
selection of the youths of genius from among the classes of the poor, we hope
to avail the State of those talents which nature has sown as liberally among
the poor as the rich, but which perish without use, if not sought for and
cultivated. But of the views of this law none is more important, none more
legitimate, than that of rendering the people the safe, as they are the
ultimate, guardians of their own liberty. For this purpose the reading in the
first stage, where they will receive their whole education, is proposed, as has
been said, to be chiefly historical. History, by apprizing them of the past,
will enable them to judge of the future; it will avail them of the experience
of other times and other nations; it will qualify them as judges of the actions
and designs of men; it will enable them to know ambition under every disguise
it may assume; and knowing it, to defeat its views. In every government on
earth is some trace of human weakness, some germ of corruption and degeneracy ,
which cunning will discover, and wickedness insensibly open, cultivate and
improve. Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the
people alone. The people themselves therefore are its only safe depositories.
And to render even them safe, their minds must be improved to a certain degree.
This indeed is not all that is necessary, though it be essentially necessary.
An amendment of our constitution must here come in aid of the public
education. The influence over government must be shared among all the people.
If every individual which composes their mass participates of the ultimate
authority, the government will be safe; because the corrupting the whole mass
will exceed any private resources of wealth; and public ones cannot be provided
but by levies on the people. In this case every man would have to pay his own
price. The government of Great Britain has been corrupted, because but one man
in ten has a right to vote for members of parliament. The sellers of the
government, therefore, get nine-tenths of their price clear. It has been
thought that corruption is restrained by confining the right of suffrage
to a few of the wealthier of the people; but it would be more effectually
restrained by an extension of that right to such members as would bid
defiance to the means of corruption. Lastly, it is
proposed, by a bill in this revisal, to begin a public library and gallery, by
laying out a certain sum annually in books, paintings, and statues.”
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Notice that Jefferson wrote that public schools and public libraries are important to the continuation of our democratic republic, as well as the importance of historical understanding to safeguard the nation’s future. I wish to highlight the following words of Thomas Jefferson, from above.
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“Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the
people alone. The people themselves therefore are its only safe depositories.
And to render even them safe, their minds must be improved to a certain degree.
This indeed is not all that is necessary, though it be essentially necessary.
An amendment of our constitution must here come in aid of the public
education. The influence over government must be shared among all the people.
If every individual which composes their mass participates of the ultimate
authority, the government will be safe; because the corrupting the whole mass
will exceed any private resources of wealth; and public ones cannot be provided
but by levies on the people.”
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Jefferson could not be clearer in stating why public education is inextricably linked to the continuation of our democratic republic than he did in his words, above. My thinking overlaps with Jefferson’s thought processes in his deeper understanding of freedom; however, my thinking does not march in lockstep with Jefferson’s. I follow my own conscience, as Jefferson would have each of us to do. To read more of how my thinking overlaps with Jefferson’s, as well as how my thinking is varied from his, you may want to read my entry, posted on my own blog on December 8, 2011, entitled “Egalitarianism and Capitalism.” See below:

http://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2011/12/08/egalitarianism-and-capitalism/
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bluecoat

May 27th, 2012
10:37 am

Folks need wake up.Stop voting association,and vote for the least dishonest.Deal,Rogers.Ball four,”Balfour”have enough free passes.Deal dismantled the ethics bureau,the rest are no better.I would say same regardless of party.One party will never be good government,we need give government back to the people.

josef

May 27th, 2012
10:58 am

Okay, maybe it’s just me, but what better to do on Memorial Day weekend to remember the sacrifices made for our Land than to sit on the cyber front porch and squabble, having a beer, smelling the barbecue, and solving the problems of the world…

George P Burdell

May 27th, 2012
10:59 am

Jay, we all know you are the the designated liberal voice by your handlers- the billionaire Anne Cox Chambers- and probably have no choice of what to write. But could you at least fact check before regurgitating nonsense you read somewhere else For example, the widely quoted and now thoroughly discredited story about Obama having the lowest percentage increase in federal spending. It is simply not true unless one uses very creative accounting to disguise the fact that the Wall Street bailout was a large part of the calculation. The bailout drastically increased the 2009 budget just before Obama took office, making Obama’s 2010 results look small. Plus about $150 billion of the bailout was paid back during Obama’s watch and and the analysis- you bragged about -counted them as spending cuts. Counting them as cuts is nonsense and totally misleading.

Bud Wiser

May 27th, 2012
11:00 am

I really do not give a whit about this lousy excuse we have for a president, but come November that will change, as will Congress, particularly the Senate, and perhaps we can all just get along and move forward.

Nor was I impressed by Mrs Obama, until I have seen that she does do a lot for returning veterans and their families in particular. On this special weekend, hooray for her!

Memorial Day is just that, an observance in memory and pride for those of our family and friends that have paid the ultimate sacrifice so we can enjoy the fredoms we currently have.

Please fly a flag, say a prayer, or just remember for a moment all of those brave souls.

Woodstock Mike

May 27th, 2012
11:05 am

It’s so ridiculous to see Democrat journalist write aritcles like this after we’ve seen nothing different from our President…

Jay, ever heard of Solyndra or IMF Global?? LOL

What a joke!!

Woodstock Mike

May 27th, 2012
11:07 am

I love these Democrat posts seen above, do they really truly believe Obama does anything different? If they do talk about denial!!!

Chip Rogers shady business deals are nothing on the level of what goes on in Washington these days…

You people need to wake up from your sleep!!

Soothsayer

May 27th, 2012
11:19 am

Enter your comments here

Jm

May 27th, 2012
11:25 am

Oscar 7:01

Yes the market is changing

I now get more in depth reporting from web freelancers than I do from the newspaper……

RAMZAD

May 27th, 2012
11:25 am

Now we understand why Georgia politicians don’t want any damn ethic laws.

Soothsayer

May 27th, 2012
11:26 am

• In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. Check the official numbers at the Office of Management and Budget.

• In fiscal 2010 — the first budget under Obama — spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion. • In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.

• In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.

• Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

Jm

May 27th, 2012
11:27 am

Woodstock

Jay is no more a journalist than al Sharpton

The AJC doesn’t employ journalists anymore anyway

Soothsayer

May 27th, 2012
11:30 am

“I love these Democrat posts seen above, do they really truly believe Obama does anything different? If they do talk about denial!!!”

Well, so far, he has not involved us in any wars, has not presided over any tax cuts for the rich, has not caused our housing market to collapse, has not caused our financial markets to collapse, and has not caused our banking system to collapse.

I’d say that’s a little different, wouldn’t you?

Soothsayer

May 27th, 2012
11:41 am

I always curious about who would actually vote Republican in a presidential election:

1. Those who make over $100,000 per year (a minute minority of the American population)

2. Backwoods, bumpkin, redneck rubes who are so stupid they don’t realize they’re voting against their own self interests.

3. Can’t think of any more.

tell the truth

May 27th, 2012
11:44 am

@mary elizabeth There you go again. Your same old song–opposing school choice and using this story of Sen Rogers to bolster your non-case. Parents deserve choices in education. It has nothing to do with politicians–ethical or not, smart or not.

yuzeyurbrane

May 27th, 2012
11:44 am

It all really makes sense now. Successful con men, including stock promoters, by definition have to be more charming and intelligent than their victims. In a sense, the victims admire these “bad boy” qualities of the predators. I will grant that this makes your average Republican a victim but it also says they kind of admire the material success of those with more than a little larceny in their hearts. Which explains why they vote for the predators instead of their own logical self-interest. You can go national with that including the whole Tea Party mind-set.

St Simons- batten down da hatches mon

May 27th, 2012
11:49 am

My mission today – go to East Beach and get on The Weather Channel with that Jim Catalina/Catchatore/Tortellini (whatever) dude. I’ll be the one in the funny hat.

Jm

May 27th, 2012
11:55 am

Atlanta needs to let blank build a new stadium on his own….

Soothsayer

May 27th, 2012
11:56 am

josef

May 27th, 2012
12:07 pm

St Simon’s
Sorry about the wet weekend, but I’ll be looking for you on the Weather Channel…that hat got a feather or is it tin foil?

TELL THE TRUTH

Of course they deserve some choice, but they ain’t gonna get it so long as the current system is in operation, they’ll take what they’re given and if they don’t like it, tough tacos. If you don’t believe it, ask Jaime Cuervo here on the APS’ Ole Plantation…

Bud Wiser

May 27th, 2012
12:11 pm

I always curious about who would actually vote Republican in a presidential election:

1. The welfare/entitlement crowd, always wanting to get the most for the least effort, all it costs is a vote;

2. The marginally stupid who actually think they are getting something for nothing;

3. Someone with an axe to grind against everyone who has actually done something for themselves and their families, all the time howling about how ‘the playing field’ is stacked against them, when in fact they were too lazy and/or not self-motivated enough to get the proper education or training to hold a decent job;

4. The unions, always wanting more people to subsidize their pensions (see Wisconsin), while contributing nothing of their own;

5. The intellectually vacant (nothing to see inside their heads, move along, move along), knowing that they back the wrong choice, but too stubborn or prideful or just plain stupid enough to never admit that they might have made a mistake, and admit it at least to themselves;

6. Those that just like to watch the world burn;

7. Racists (check the black voting blocks for this clown);

8. Media stooges, always hoping for that “Washington invitation” that never comes;

9. Assortments of minorities, thinking they’re going to get a piece of the pie – check out the tones of the party apparatus (not the POTUS, he’s their front guy)

Did I leave anyone out?

I do like to be all inclusive.

President Romney, 2012, coming soon to a voting booth near you.

May 27th, 2012
11:41 am

I always curious about who would actually vote Republican in a presidential election:

Bud Wiser

May 27th, 2012
12:12 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAArghhhhhhhhhhhh, I meant who would vote DEMOCRATIC!

Must lay off the pre-noon beer………….

Soothsayer

May 27th, 2012
12:17 pm

Gosh! Bud Wiper! I cain’t hardly believe all them people’s a’gonna be a’votin’ Republican! Amazin’! Downright amazin’.

Soothsayer

May 27th, 2012
12:20 pm

Bud Wiper: you left out. And all the rest of the figments of my imagination.

One way or the other, it would appear to a casual observer that there’s gonna be a lot more of them than rich White folk and redneck bumpkins.

Soothsayer

May 27th, 2012
12:24 pm

Bud Wiper, and Jm, and all the rest of you Fright-Wing nutcases ought to move to Texas and secede from the Union and declare Texas Libertariana. You won’t have to worry about taxes, welfare, laws or the much-despised government that you hate so much. It would really work out for the rest of us since we wouldn’t have to fund your wars with our tax dollars anymore You’d just have to pay for them the best way you know how.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 27th, 2012
12:26 pm

Backwoods, bumpkin, redneck rubes who are so stupid they don’t realize they’re voting against their own self interests.

Well, I don’t know about you, but I resemble that remark. It makes me already hankering to get rid of the Christian forgiveness the Rev. Postlewaite told us about down at the Church of Holiness this a.m.

Soothsayer

May 27th, 2012
12:27 pm

Redneck: whatever you do, don’t let the Missus put no hex on me!

Jm

May 27th, 2012
12:30 pm

Toothy soothy

You: Blah blah blah

catlady

May 27th, 2012
12:36 pm

Family Values (for everyone else but me)! Personal Responsibility (for everyone else but me)!
No Bailouts (for everyone else but me)!

Anyone down there in Canton see a pattern? Anyone see a problem? How much longer are you going to let this fool spit in your eye?

Soothsayer

May 27th, 2012
12:38 pm

What, Jm no snide Truther remark? You’re slipping!

But, I mean, really think about it. Every rich white guy is the United States could move to Libertariana. You could move all the defense contractors to Libertariana. You could evict all minorities and “parasites from Libertariana. You could use every single dollar (or Libertariana note) collected from (can’t say tax) the citizens of Libertariana for war. You wouldn’t have to spend a dime on education, “welfare,” the environment, or any other despised use. Libertariana would become the most feared nation on Earth. Heck, you have your Constitution — which could fit on postcard. The sooner the better — for all the rest of us!

josef

May 27th, 2012
12:43 pm

Well, Sooth, if it would free me of such conspiracy theories as yours and the insults of Du-k-sha-nee, I’d move there tomorrow… :-)

zeke

May 27th, 2012
12:48 pm

feel like taking a shower after reading about him

Soothsayer

May 27th, 2012
12:50 pm

josef: something tells me you wouldn’t be welcome in Libertariana.

Brosephus™

May 27th, 2012
12:56 pm

If there is one recurrent theme amongst the many threads where Jay does his Republibashing, that theme is that, very seldom will other Republicans admit that their elected official’s behavior is such that requires even the slightest reprimand. Instead, it’s always a knee jerk “b..b..b..b..but Timmy did it” response. I find it curious that people, who follow a party where associated officials and voters often put their Christianity out on display, don’t even exhibit the basic Christian principle of acknowleding the shortcoming and forgiving that person for that shortcoming. I guess that’s the difference between saying you’re a Christian and knowing that you’re one.

Y’all have fun today and be safe.

josef

May 27th, 2012
12:57 pm

Sooth

What tells you that? Let’s face it, Houston is, after all, the largest municipality in the nation to have elected an openly gay mayor…if that’s what you’re referring to. Jewish? Hey, from Bejar forward the international zionist conspirators have been part and parcel of the people. Indian? The first president of the first Texas republic was an enrolled Tribal member, married to a Cherokee woman and addressed the Texas assembly in the Cherokee language. Romany? The University of Texas is the only state supported insitution of higher learning in the US to offer degrees in Romany studies. Texas is. as their ad campaign said, “a whole ‘nuther country” and, looking back over its history, not a bad record…

JamVet

May 27th, 2012
1:03 pm

josef and Bud, both well said.

We all love this great country.

This is a time that we Americans celebrate our bounty and our shared liberty!

Yet in our hearts we do so with humble and revered remembrance of those who fell, so that we can.

St Simons- batten down da hatches mon

May 27th, 2012
1:08 pm

josef, any good injun knows feathers are a fashion faux paus
for da beach mon. ohhh! there he is! so brave & roguish-ly handsome
in his Jim Pantalone weather channel garb, facing the storm! look for me!

now, here’s the lesson for today – here comes the storm, ask anybody
on dis island, are we all in this together, or is it ‘every man fer himself’?

Come to da island, mon and you will understand. Mother Earth teaches,
its up to you to listen.
-from iPhone

captguitarman

May 27th, 2012
1:26 pm

One important thing to remember in dealing with Pub/Cons who are always out there waving the conservative banner on social issues and promoting their superior virtuous standards on how everyone else should be personally accountable and responsible, etc. — these don’t necessarily apply to their own personal conduct and standards for taking advantage of “bidness” opportunities that they have been involved in, or come their way because of their political office. Or, for using their office to avoid the consequences of bidness gone bad. As a moderate Pub (yes, I used the dirty “M” word), the level of hypocrisy displayed in this area by the Pub/cons is, to me, astonishing.

BTW. The loan made by the shell hospitality corporation to buy the hotel from the now failed (what a surprise!) Bartow County Bank was $2.2 million. It (the corporation and all of its assets and liabilities, no doubt) was later unloaded for $10,000 (never paid) by the principals in a desperate attempt to avoid liability for the Bartow County Bank loan. This shell corporation game never gets old does it? It is not clear if the buyer, Edens, was just a dupe or in on the ruse. But, here’s the gorilla sitting in the corner. What happened to the additional $700,000 above what the hotel was purchased for? That’s a substantial amount of loot – and with the hotel costing ony $1.5 million, it was, in effect, a personal unsecured loan to the principals. Was it used to fix up the hotel? Was there other security provided? And then the Bartow County Bank, sometime before it failed, agreed to settle for $1.2 million of a $2.2 million loan, in a confidential settlement agreement that will never again see the light of day.

That’s a million bucks gone missing. Where did it go. I doesn’t sound like it went to improve the value of the hotel based on Edens advising Rogers to unload this thing as soon as you can. No wonder so many Georgia Banks failed. The amount of “bidness” conducted by those banks would probably make the average tax payer throw up. And of course, when the bank failed and was sold in April of 2011, in comes the FDIC (the American tax payer) to clean up the mess. That’s why I just cringe when these Pub/Cons start their preaching on morals and values. What was it that Jesus once said? Don’t criticize the splinter in your brother’s eye, when you have a log in your own. But, I guess that rule don’t apply when it’s jes’ good ol’ boys doin’ bidness.

Jm

May 27th, 2012
1:40 pm

St Simons

Fire up the margaritas and hurricane mixes

Mary Elizabeth

May 27th, 2012
1:43 pm

tell the truth, 11:44 am

“@mary elizabeth There you go again. Your same old song–opposing school choice and using this story of Sen Rogers to bolster your non-case. Parents deserve choices in education. It has nothing to do with politicians–ethical or not, smart or not.”
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Tell the truth, I hope that you will read the ongoing posts that I have written regarding Jefferson’s thoughts on public education on Maureen Downey’s thread, “State of Georgia undermining our public schools,” at some point during the weekend.

However, to address your post, specifically above, I just entered the following words on Ms. Downey’s blog, which should give some qualified answer to what you have written to me, as well as some “food for further thought,” regarding the school choice movement in Georgia:
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“Jefferson wrote that public education would be paid for by taxes ‘levied’ on all of the people, themselves. That fact is what makes public education what it is – not simply a ‘general education of the people of Virginia,’ as you wish to interpret it. Private education does not levy taxes on the public-at-large to pay for itself. Private schools have traditionally received their revenue to operate from the pocketbooks of their select private clientelle. The school choice movement is now advancing the idea of utilizing more private schools to educate the public than public ones – but using public funds to do so through vouchers. Private schools will be run by and for corporate interests. I do not believe Jefferson would have supported that.”

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
1:52 pm

I’ve never seen that many empty seats at the Indy 500 …………………….. !

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
1:55 pm

Correction on my 12:24 am:

Boortz hasn’t actually made that speech yet (except on the radio) but has it ready just in case A&M or any other college invites him …………………….. :o

Mary Elizabeth

May 27th, 2012
1:57 pm

And because it is the Memorial Day weekend, I wish to repost these words, here, which I first posted on Ms. Downey’s blog, today, in memory of Thomas Jefferson’s contributions to liberty within our nation and throughout the world:
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“From page 110 of the book ‘Revolutionary Characters,’ by Pultizer Prize winning author Gordon S. Wood, regarding Thomas Jefferson:

‘Unlike Coleridge and Wordsworth and other disillusioned European liberals, Jefferson remained a champion of the French Revolution to the end.

He saw it after all as a movement on behalf of the rights of man that had originated in the American Revolution. And to the American Revolution and the rights of man he remained dedicated until his death. In the last letter he wrote he expressed his lifelong belief that the American Revolution would be ‘the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessing and security of self-government.’ He foresaw that eventually the whole world ‘(to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all)’ would follow the American lead.’
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Jefferson was a visionary who, at his core, believed in egalitarianism, and what he envisioned into the future is now unfolding on the world’s stage, with the rising of egalitarianism throughout the world, not only in America. Thomas Jefferson has been a major player in this unfolding that is, today, still in the process of unfolding. Jefferson may not have been a soldier in battle, but he was a champion of liberty to our nation and world through the dedication of his heart and mind to the people.

Let us never forget that truth, and let us always be grateful to Thomas Jefferson’s gifts to this nation and to this world.”

Wondering

May 27th, 2012
2:02 pm

Soothsayer, people vote against their own best interest because of pride. something you will NEVER understand.

getalife

May 27th, 2012
2:02 pm

Good race.

Warmongering on Iran again.

History repeating itself for WW III ?

Lets hope not..

davetv

May 27th, 2012
2:17 pm

Since Obama wants to continue to place the American into groups, I have something to point out to the group that so champions him. It is black people who should be the most angry at Obama. 95% of you voted for him in 2008. What has he done for you? What is your unemployment rate? What is your crime rate? How is your education system? Has he done anything to bring us together as a people or has he attempted to put a deeper gap between the races? Has he done anything to clean up the corruption in Washington or has he become perhaps the most corrupt President in modern history? How has all his green energy mandates and spending worked out for you? How has his self-reported drug use/abuse helped to teach your children to stay away from drugs? What has he done to keep your people out of prison for drug offenses?

In a historical election, the American people voted in the first black President. Did you get what you thought you were going to get or did you get more of the same (if not worse)? I seriously doubt that 95% of you voted him in because you wanted your “Obama Money”. I hope you voted for him because you actually believe he would bring about real change in Washington, that he would bridge any divide that was still between the races, that he would understand and represent black people the way no white person can. Well, he’s failed to do any of that. He wants you to believe that it’s not his fault. He wants you to blame the evil Bush, the obstructing Congress, the selfish rich, the white monster, blame anyone but Obama for any and all of your problems. If Obama’s skin color took after his mom rather than his dad, would you believe what he is telling you?

davetv

May 27th, 2012
2:24 pm

Mary Elizabeth- what is your analysis of our public education system? How is that method working out for us? Do you believe we are on the right track and just need to throw more money at it? You warn of the horrors of private schools brainwashing kids with capitalists views, but where is your warning of liberal teachers in public schools brainwashing kids with their socialists views?

Jefferson promoted the teaching of religion is schools and universities (and in Government buildings) yet I don’t see you mention that anywhere. Cherry pick much?

getalife

May 27th, 2012
2:27 pm

racist,

We voted for him because the gop are a disaster waiting to happen.

It is not the color his skin.

Thanks.

getalife

May 27th, 2012
2:29 pm

davetv

May 27th, 2012
2:30 pm

Sooth – Texas could not hold us all. If what you suggest is the only answer, I think it would much more efficient to send you and your ilk to California. It’s sunny most of the time and they’re already physically and morally bankrupt so you should fit right in.

And BTW- from what I’ve seen on this blog, Josef would be most welcome in any society that values independent critical thinking and taking personal responsibility for ones actions.

davetv

May 27th, 2012
2:39 pm

getalife- excellent rebuttal of the points I raised. Thanks for breaking it down to the point that is most important – I’m racist. Nice work by you. You saw right through me.

getalife

May 27th, 2012
2:40 pm

Thanks racist.

hiram b granbury

May 27th, 2012
2:52 pm

As Luckovich referenced this week, people who get all of their news from Fox are less informed than people who watch no news at all. Based on having elected one of the most corrupt politicians in the country for governor, I would wager that the majority of Georgia’s electorate fits that category. That given, it’s no surprise that the state’s goverment has alson been compromised by the likes of Ralston, Rogers, and other confidence men.

Jm

May 27th, 2012
3:03 pm

Getalife 2:02 agreed

Brosephus™ - On behalf of many Black Americans responding to davetv

May 27th, 2012
3:16 pm

I have something to point out to the group that so champions him. It is black people who should be the most angry at Obama. 95% of you voted for him in 2008.

If you are not actively involved in trying to assist Blacks in bettering any of those things you ask about and if you’re not Black yourself, nobody has to answer jack from you. If anything, you should stop to ask yourself why you’re waiting on the Black Superman when nobody else appears to be doing that. Obama is the President of the United States and not the President of the Black United States. On top of that, Obama is half White. He has done the same thing that every previous President has done to an extent. He has governed for ALL of America and not one specific group just because he belongs to that group.

Other than that, maybe you need to take a deep look inside to see why you have such hatred for melanin. I’m not gonna call you racist as getalife did, but if your thinking is what is supposed to represent conservative thinking and/or logic, I’m surprised that Obama only got 95%. Funny that people always whine when conservatives or anybody against Obama gets labeled as racists. All they need to do is look at your post as part of the problem and go the opposite direction in order to find the solution.

josef

May 27th, 2012
3:19 pm

davetv
Why, thank you, Sir, though yours is not an opinion shared by some hereabouts…especially the ones of “my ilk” I might disagree with… :-)

HIRAM

“I would wager that the majority of Georgia’s electorate fits that category”

You’d probably lose that wager…enough of the registered portion of the electorate don’t bother to keep any faction winning the ballot box lottery from being able to claim a majority…

“Spare a thought for the stay-at-home voter
His empty eyes gaze at strange beauty shows
And a parade of the gray suited grafters
A choice of cancer or polio”

SALT OF THE EARTH
–M. Jagger/K. Richards

********
Oh, yes, before I forget, IMAM, what’s a plantation liberal? Thomas Jefferson comes to mind…

Brosephus™

May 27th, 2012
3:22 pm

Damn, the best thing about Dario winning is getting to see Ashley Judd….

:)

josef

May 27th, 2012
3:33 pm

BROSEPHUS

Back during the election when I was in a dither about Obama and Prop 8 and making it known whenever his acolytes were singing Hosannah, an old time sparring partner at the water cooler called me over and gave me a lecture, “You look here Josef. You and I are old enough to remember the old days of segregated water fountains when black folks couldn’t vote. And you need to rejoice that we have lived to see a man of color being seriously considered for the highest office in the land. And we can vote against him!”

Well, I rejoiced and I did. This time? I may well vote for him. He’s evolved and has made up for his error in my book last go round by standing up and being a Profile in Courage, even if the liberal memo said no. Leonard Pitts, BTW, either didn’t get the memo or chose to ignore it. :-)

davetv

May 27th, 2012
3:41 pm

Brosephus (on behalf of many blacks)

I realize you don’t owe my jack, but if you would be so kind as to point out which of my comments you feel are either “melanin hating” or “part of the problem”. It would help me greatly as I look deep inside to find the source of my hatred. Thanks in advance.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
4:06 pm

Mary Elizabeth:

“Let us never forget that truth, and let us always be grateful to Thomas Jefferson’s gifts to this nation and to this world.”

And please don’t forget what he said about where our liberty comes from.

“The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time.”

And this one:

“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.”

Paulo977

May 27th, 2012
4:07 pm

dave tv

Mary Elizabeth but where is your warning of liberal teachers in public schools brainwashing kids with their socialists views?

_____________________________________________

What a joke …..have you been to a public school and seen how hard teachers work to cope with
kids who don’t come from affluent backgrounds and have to be encouraged to learn?

Brosephus™

May 27th, 2012
4:13 pm

davetv

The fact that you assume that Black Americans wanted or expected those things that you asked about is part of the problem. Where have you or any other red-blooded melanin deficient American seen a contract or demand from all of Black America for Obama to do those things? As to the melanin hating, the fact that you even have to ask whether it would have made a difference as to Obama’s melanin content is more than proof enough that you have issues with it. You, like others, fail to either realize, own up to, or even acknowledge that no GOP candidate has crossed 15% – 20% in a presidential election in a long, long time.

http://factcheck.org/2008/04/blacks-and-the-democratic-party/

Even after that, Republican nominees continued to get a large slice of the black vote for several elections. Dwight D. Eisenhower got 39 percent in 1956, and Richard Nixon got 32 percent in his narrow loss to John F. Kennedy in 1960.

But then President Lyndon B. Johnson pushed through the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 (outlawing segregation in public places) and his eventual Republican opponent, Sen. Barry Goldwater, opposed it. Johnson got 94 percent of the black vote that year, still a record for any presidential election.

The following year Johnson signed the 1965 Voting Rights Act. No Republican presidential candidate has gotten more than 15 percent of the black vote since.

If you look at the graph at that link, you will realize that Hillary Clinton would have received 95% of the Black American vote. I’d wager that she would have been upwards to 98% had she been the candidate. You tend to forget that Black America was firmly in the Clinton camp until Obama was well on his way to becoming the nominee. There was no “automatic” support for Obama because of his skin tone. His support was because he was the Democratic nominee.

Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)

May 27th, 2012
4:19 pm

“There was no “automatic” support for Obama because of his skin tone. His support was because he was the Democratic nominee.”

There you go again…shooting down a prefectly good lie with FACTS

Brosephus™ - Fact Assassin

May 27th, 2012
4:21 pm

josef

May 27th, 2012
4:23 pm

PAULO

With all that federal, state, and locally mandated paperwork, who has any time LEFT to brainwash? :-)

Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)

May 27th, 2012
4:25 pm

Bro – BTW, I saw your comment earlier about there not being victimless crimes. I disagree with you, there most certainly CAN be victimless crimes. A “crime” is whatever the law says is illegal, period. If our legislators, in their infinite wisdome, decided that holding hands in public was a felony, and our governor signed the bill…who is the victim in that “crime”?

getalife

May 27th, 2012
4:31 pm

My ip number is mine. I pay for it not you.

Mind your own business.

JamVet

May 27th, 2012
4:38 pm

In regards to the observation that most blacks voted for the president because he was black and not because hew as a Democrat, I wonder if a study could ever been done detailing how many whites including disaffected Republicans, independents, Libertarians, Tea Partiers etc, would have voted for Barack Obama had he been white (or at least sufficiently so.)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
4:39 pm

I believe Jay is thinking of requiring all posters on this blog to use their real names or be banned.

I’m ready.

Are you?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
4:52 pm

Doesn’t look like anyone has a handle on the truth here but whatever it is ……. it ain’t good:

Headline (ABC): “Almost Half of New Vets Seek Disability”

“America’s newest veterans are filing for disability benefits at a historic rate, claiming to be the most medically and mentally troubled generation of former troops the nation has ever seen.

A staggering 45 percent of the 1.6 million veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are now seeking compensation for injuries they say are service-related. That is more than double the estimate of 21 percent who filed such claims after the Gulf War in the early 1990s, top government officials told The Associated Press.

What’s more, these new veterans are claiming eight to nine ailments on average, and the most recent ones over the last year are claiming 11 to 14. By comparison, Vietnam veterans are currently receiving compensation for fewer than four, on average, and those from World War II and Korea, just two.”

getalife

May 27th, 2012
5:00 pm

“I’m ready.

Are you?”

I think I will go with freedom of government touching the internet.

kayaker 71

May 27th, 2012
5:07 pm

Scout, 4:39

I have no objection to this but what would it accomplish?

getalife

May 27th, 2012
5:10 pm

You want our pols to write laws to change the internet?

Seriously?

This is freedom issue.

Wake up.

getalife

May 27th, 2012
5:18 pm

Over blog bullies.

Come on.

Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)

May 27th, 2012
5:19 pm

Brosephus™ - Fact Assassin

May 27th, 2012
5:24 pm

Doggone

I’m not sure who the “victim” would be in that particular example, but the reasoning behind my answer is this. In order for a crime to take place, there has to be an act that has been declared illegal. That action would either be against a person or thing, even if it’s a self-inflicted action. In that aspect, there would have to be a “victim” in that the illegal action would have to be against something or someone. In your case, there wouldn’t really be a “victim” as it would be a case of two consenting people who are doing something that’s been deemed illegal. I get your point though, and would not argue against it.

Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)

May 27th, 2012
5:26 pm

Bro – what I would say is that IDEALLY things would only be a crime when there IS a victim.

josef

May 27th, 2012
5:35 pm

I just got through with Romney’s “white paper” on education. ” Full of sound and fury and signifying nothing.” Plenty of laying blame on the Obama administration, but absolutely nothing concrete for addressing the way out of the swamp.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
6:00 pm

kayaker 71:

The exchanges here would become more constructive and civil.

Recon 0311 2533

May 27th, 2012
6:05 pm

It’s interesting that a guy goes down to the Piedmont jazz festival and comes back declaring that conservatives have no understanding of black people and would soil their trousers if they were around them. From a guy who never served a day in the infantry or a recon team. What ignorance.

Brosephus™ - Fact Assassin

May 27th, 2012
6:05 pm

Doggone

No argument there either. No victim = no crime in my book.

josef

May 27th, 2012
6:09 pm

ZamVet

Zayin alert, aisle two….

pogo

May 27th, 2012
6:13 pm

There is no way out of the Swamp Josef. ALL of the swamps denizens are too self serving to ever give up anything, even if it destroys us. All we want to do is blame someone else who could take away what we want. What is truly ironic is that those that preach sacrifice “for the betterment of the whole” are not willing to sacrifice anything. The state that America is now in cannot be described by any political ideology other than self-greed and it transcends the rich and the poor as it is rampant amongst all of us. America can best be described now as nothing but a spoiled child who doesn’t want to give up any of their toys. Everyone wants something for nothing and our “leaders” are there to promise to deliver that to them even if it is a total lie.

I watched a movie this morning on the Independent Movie Channel titled “Idiocracy”. Seems to me we are already there. This silly, second rate film could one day become one of the most prophetic films ever made as to the state of our present day society. We don’t have to wait until 2050 or whatever. We are already there. The dumbing down has already been done and the pols are feasting on it.

JamVet

May 27th, 2012
6:17 pm

You had no choice. Thanks to Harry Truman you had to serve with them.

But as far as doing so socially, puhleeze.

When is the last overwhelmingly black event that you attended? The sixteenth of never?

As for the corporal saying he thinks everyone should just cough up their real name here, just how naive can you be???

Alas, the legacy of John Ashcroft and the habeus corpus stealers. Is it any wonder that even the concept of personal privacy is under constant assault, by the BIG government neocons and their sex police…

Recon 0311 2533

May 27th, 2012
6:20 pm

Try Vietnam…fairy land doesn’t get it.

lex

May 27th, 2012
6:20 pm

Thank goodness for some old fashioned muckraking journalism.
Sorely needed in an era of milquetoast reporting and editorializing.
Some (many?) of these so-called conservatives running our state seem to have psychopathic tendencies. They will say or do anything for self-advancement. They wallow in hypocrisy. They care not a whit for the public good. They strongly believe the taxpayers and voters to be sheep, who exist only to be sheared over and over again, until there’s nothing left to steal.
If regular folks did what they do, they would be prosecuted or sued civilly to the limits of the law.
But apparently the good old boy system prevails, and they are untouchable.
We might as well be living in Russia or China.

Recon 0311 2533

May 27th, 2012
6:24 pm

“We might as well be living in Russia or China.”

Delta’s ready when you are.

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 27th, 2012
6:24 pm

Back to Memorial Day for a moment: I watched a very moving documentary called Medal of Honor on PBS 30 today. I don’t know if it will be shown again, but it is worth checking out.

josef

May 27th, 2012
6:34 pm

POGO

As you know, I tend to be a lot more optimistic than you, but when it comes to education, I am probably much more the pessimist. I’ve been spending my first few days of “off time” looking back at what we used to require of our students. These three examples are from the 8-10-year-old examinations in the Natchez, Mississippi PUBLIC schools in the 1840s

Example 1: “A predication is an association of words, forming a complete proposition. The predications are divided into intransitive – intransitive post adjective – intransitive post substantive – transitive and passive.”

Example 2: “The prepositional gerundive phrases are divided into intransitive – intransitive post adjective – intransitive post substantive – transitive and passive.”

Example 3: “This youth was delighted with the prospect of becoming a farmer.” This is defined to be ‘an intransitive post-substantive prepositional gerundive phrase.’

The individual inspector reporting on it, felt compelled to remark:

This may be ‘easy Grammar,’ but it would seem enough to make a child of eight years old cry out ‘Help me, Cassius, or I sink!’

But found no cause to question the requirement.

I count my blessings every day I’m alive to have been educated by a turn of the last century schoolmarm Granny and a Harby educated Granddaddy who saw it as their duty to do what they could to hold back a new dark age.

Those in charge of our educational system today would not be passed out of the primary grades by those two…and rightly so…

Dave

May 27th, 2012
6:37 pm

I don’t know. I think he’s a pretty sleazy guy; but, the story seems to be, everybody thinks he’s a pretty sleazy guy but, we can’t prove anything other than it all smells, after months and months of trying. That’s a story?

Recon 0311 2533

May 27th, 2012
6:39 pm

G.Mare71,

I missed it but I’m sure it was. Col. North on war stories documented Vietnam. I had to leave after he discussed Operation Starlight but that’s where we went from being Marines to being combat Marines.

josef

May 27th, 2012
6:43 pm

BROSEPHUS

I ran into something you may be interested in. In the funding of the Natchez public schools in the 1840s, free persons of color were exempted from the taxes used to support it since they would not be benefiting from it…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
7:00 pm

JamVet:

“As for the corporal saying he thinks everyone should just cough up their real name here, just how naive can you be???”

Are you calling JAY naive? It’s was his idea to broach the subject. Be careful or you’ll get on his list !

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
7:02 pm

josef:

As I have posted before, I have a copy of the 1909 testing requirements for graduation from West Virginia high schools.

They make our current SATs look pathetic.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
7:13 pm

Well, well, well …………………….. from the Washington Post no less :

Headline: “20 years later, it turns out Dan Quayle was right about Murphy Brown and unmarried moms”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/20-years-later-it-turns-out-dan-quayle-was-right-about-murphy-brown-and-unmarried-moms/2012/05/25/gJQAsNCJqU_story.html?hpid=z2

Recon 0311 2533

May 27th, 2012
7:19 pm

Raise children up in Christian values the backbone of our Republic and that’s the best thing a parent can do for their child.

St Simons- will play for gumbo

May 27th, 2012
7:23 pm

ai-eeeee, les go surfin

Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)

May 27th, 2012
7:25 pm

“Raise children up in Christian values the backbone of our Republic and that’s the best thing a parent can do for their child”

and how would you go about ensuring they actually live by that teaching?

josef

May 27th, 2012
7:30 pm

St Simon’s

Been web surfing all day!

Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)

May 27th, 2012
7:34 pm

“Been web surfing all day!”

And I was out most of the day surfin’ Forest Service roads up in the mountains!

Paulo977

May 27th, 2012
7:35 pm

josef
enty of laying blame on the Obama administration, but absolutely nothing concrete for addressing the way out of the swamp.!!!
__________________________________________

You said it ! When can we struggle out of this , rigid , punitive , , ‘non ‘thinking’
, non enjoyable ,test oriented syndrome and get back to classrooms where kids are given TIME to explore the world around them and enjoy creating responses in their own art, music and dancing????

Recon 0311 2533

May 27th, 2012
7:36 pm

“and how would you go about ensuring they actually live by that teaching?”

First of all by teaching them those values. Will children drift? Of course because they like all of us fall to the temptation of worldly things but if taught in their formative years their conscience gives God the tool to guide them and that tool in the hands of God is very powerful.

Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)

May 27th, 2012
7:39 pm

“First of all by teaching them those values. Will children drift?”

In other words: you CAN’T ENSURE they will follow the values they were taught. So you don’t really KNOW that teaching them those values would be good for the country or not.

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 27th, 2012
7:47 pm

Recon, Oliver North? Really? I remember watching those hearings; did he ever serve the jail time he deserved? Never mind, I can Google it.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
7:48 pm

Recon 0311 2533:

A person with that type of logic is NOT worth your time.

Out on patrol …………….

“All secure key your handset once, not secure twice ………. over.”

Recon 0311 2533

May 27th, 2012
7:50 pm

“So you don’t really KNOW that teaching them those values would be good for the country or not.”

Good for the country? I think first of all good for them and then for our Republic as it has been since our founding. The country has turned away from the values that made us great, we need turn back to them.

josef

May 27th, 2012
7:54 pm

Looks like the tough guys have decided to pick on the old ladies club…I’m laying my odds on the old broads, myself. They’re the ones that got us through the early days of the occupation after the bad asses brought ruin on us…jus sayin…

Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)

May 27th, 2012
7:54 pm

“The country has turned away from the values that made us great, we need turn back to them”

Thank you for proving MY point. And here’s something to contemplate when considering “values”: I have a book that was written in the 1960’s by an American woman who moved to Kenya to start one of the first safari adventure companies. In Kenya businessmen preferred to hire Muslims as night guards because Christians belive they can be forgiven for stealing, but Muslims do not.

Recon 0311 2533

May 27th, 2012
7:58 pm

“did he ever serve the jail time he deserved”

He served his country in a combat theater. What more do you want? Oliver North wasn’t convicted of any crime only the crime that evidently exists in your imagination.

Recon 0311 2533

May 27th, 2012
8:01 pm

0311/8541,

I know…I’m out for awhile as well.

JamVet

May 27th, 2012
8:03 pm

Served in a combat theater?

When did that matter to you swiftboaters?

The ONLY thing that is of importance is ones politics!

Huge LOL…

Super TaxPayer PAC

May 27th, 2012
8:08 pm

Looks like the tough guys have decided to pick on the old ladies club

Tough guys! Now that’s a good one. Their e-trenching tools laugh at them.

Josef

May 27th, 2012
8:09 pm

ZamVet

Too late…the old ladies have shooed ‘em off!

Recon 0311 2533

May 27th, 2012
8:09 pm

“In Kenya businessmen preferred to hire Muslims as night guards because Christians belive they can be forgiven for stealing, but Muslims do not.”

Of course terrorists of the Muslim faith in the name of Allah murdered over 3000 innocent people on 9-11-01 not to mention the thousands that they’ve murdered in they’re jihad over many years. So I guess in your estimation stealing is a much greater crime than murder. Interesting!

Recon 0311 2533

May 27th, 2012
8:11 pm

Sorry fairy land I wasn’t quite done.

Doggone/GA - 999.999.999.999 (preserving my anonymity)

May 27th, 2012
8:13 pm

“Of course terrorists of the Muslim faith in the name of Allah murdered over 3000 innocent people on 9-11-01 not to mention the thousands that they’ve murdered in they’re jihad over many years”

So therefore, by your logic, there are a billion Muslims that are convicted murderers. Interesting in light of your just saying that if there’s no conviction there’s no crime.

Recon 0311 2533

May 27th, 2012
8:14 pm

The cut and runners wait until they think you’re off the blog. Okay now I’m off J.A’s, so throw your puny arrows.

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 27th, 2012
8:16 pm

Bu bye, Recon, from the old lady. Make that “old woman” as I figured out some years ago that the ladies were mostly wimps. :)

Josef

May 27th, 2012
8:24 pm

G-mare

Oh, I disagree on lady! I learned a long time ago not to mess with them! I’ll cross swords with just a woman any day of the week, but not a lady! She’ll have you fileted before you can even en garde!

:-)

……..,

Del…

If I’m the good fairy, the, poof! You’re a pile of sh*t…
Pickin on little old ladies….bless your wimpy little heart…
:-)

JamVet

May 27th, 2012
8:39 pm

Zayin, indeed, jonix. Maybe he needs some zazen on the Christian sabbath!

Because que*r, fagg*t etc are no longer tolerated in public discourse, fairy is the next best thing for the homophobes.

And I’m sure you understand that that pejorative is used for both straight and gay people who do not meet his macho requirements!

Beware the old lady gangs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i25gZXQF2w

St Simons- batten down da hatches mon

May 27th, 2012
8:44 pm

whoo-ee Earth is angry. I wonder what we’ve done to piss her off so bad

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 27th, 2012
9:00 pm

Ah, Josef, I guess you got me there. Just semantics I guess, or different perspectives. My mom & her mom were ladies and nobody messed with them. I grew up with the injunction to be a lady, which translated to me: Never make waves, never say what you really think. But it was the 1940s & 50s. It took me a lot of years to get over that, to be able to assert myself & to speak up for myself. Of course, it didn’t help that I got the same message from the nuns & the church.
Okay, old stories & grievances. So let’s honor our military tomorrow, except for Ollie, of course. Sorry, just couldn’t resist!
Oh, and thanks for sticking up for me. I’ll lift a glass (or 3) to you & Un.

Bill Orvis White

May 27th, 2012
9:02 pm

Please-I’m not going to read some filth from the communistic Great Speckled Bird or whatever that blather yer recommending, Liberal Jay. I don’t need to read something written by stoned-out yippies going after solid conservatives like the honorable Georgia State Senator Chip Rogers. Leave the man ALONE for God’s sake!

The real tragedy unfolding is with criminals on the federal level including Pinko Eric Holder. What about Fast and Furious, folks? WE NEVER HEAR ABOUT THAT! And yes, THIS IS IMPORTANT: What about Jeremiah Wright? Father Pfleger? Bill Ayers? IT’S FAIR GAME, FOLKS! Yes, BRING IT ON BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF REAL THINKING AMERICANS ARE GOING TO THE POLLS THIS FALL TO STOP THIS NONSENSE AND FIX THIS ONCE-FREE NATION! WE WILL BE IN GREAT PERIL IF THIS NATION RE-ELECTS HUSSEIN OBAMA!
GOOD NIGHT!
Amen,
Bill

Josef

May 27th, 2012
9:07 pm

ZamVet

Om!

G-mare

Much the same with being a gentleman. I’m glad to have been raised to be one, but when that doesn’t work, well, let’s rumble!

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 27th, 2012
9:09 pm

Josef, :) !

So who is this Orvis person?

Josef

May 27th, 2012
9:12 pm

Bill Orvis

The Great Speckled Bird!!! Heh, heh….
Tell Roosevelt I said howdy…

:-)

Wilmer "Redneck" Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 27th, 2012
9:13 pm

BRING IT ON BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF REAL THINKING AMERICANS ARE GOING TO THE POLLS THIS FALL TO STOP THIS NONSENSE AND FIX THIS ONCE-FREE NATION! WE WILL BE IN GREAT PERIL IF THIS NATION RE-ELECTS HUSSEIN OBAMA!
GOOD NIGHT!

Well, amen, Bill. And I say make everybody use their real name, like you and me are doing. If we get some godly Republicans elected in November we’ll need to know who these Traders are so we can turn the FBI or maybe the IRS loose on them. We got to keep this country safe!

Josef

May 27th, 2012
9:17 pm

G-mare

Probably the most brilliant poster on this blog., imauo! I love gettin’ got, and he got me good!

Fred ™

May 27th, 2012
9:18 pm

You don’t mess with old ladies……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf9LhPQTfBY

(I’ve always wondered if this is true, I first heard it like 10 years ago….. besides, who has a voice mail that goes for 4 minutes?)

Fred ™

May 27th, 2012
9:19 pm

Fred ™

May 27th, 2012
9:24 pm

Well snopes can’t figure out if it’s true or not either……….

http://www.snopes.com/autos/mishaps/beating.asp

The Thin Guy

May 27th, 2012
9:40 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
9:42 pm

The girl should have to serve the exact time he did …………. to the day !!!

Too much of this “Ooops what did I do last night ?” stuff goes on !

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57441140/onetime-top-calif-football-prospect-exonerated-after-serving-5-years-on-rape-charge/?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
9:46 pm

This is what happens when you smoked too much dope (not to mention the real hard stuff):

Headline: “Obama Twice Mistakenly Mentions ‘My Sons,’ While Defending Contraception Mandate”

http://cnsnews.com/blog/terence-p-jeffrey/obama-twice-mistakenly-mentions-my-sons-while-defending-contraception-mandate

j$

May 27th, 2012
9:47 pm

Let’s go eat at Jackson Int. airport, yum!

Who’s gonna feed them hogs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDJfd9ufE84

400 hogs comes to 1600 feet.

godless heathen

May 27th, 2012
9:54 pm

“Headline: “Obama Twice Mistakenly Mentions ‘My Sons,’ While Defending Contraception Mandate””

Maybe he’s got a couple of sons we don’t know about.

j$

May 27th, 2012
9:54 pm

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 27th, 2012
9:56 pm

Well, Fred @ 9:19, if you believe that to be true re Pelosi & Ried, I guess you also believe in the Jolly Red Elf, the tooth fairy, the Great Pumpkin, and the Easter Bunny Wow, must be really tough being you in the REAL WORLD.

Okay, please don’t get your tighty whiteys in a wad. I “bear you no ill will.” I respect that you have beliefs opposite to mine and I hope and trust that you can grant me the same respect.

j$

May 27th, 2012
9:57 pm

That’s it.

It was Jay-Z who ordered the hit on Osama since Osama took out Fat Jeezy.

j$

May 27th, 2012
10:12 pm

j$

May 27th, 2012
10:22 pm

Let’s go drink some Chattahoochie water on the southern outskirts of Atlanta.

Chicken doo doos.

G Mare 71( got)

May 27th, 2012
11:33 pm

Enter your comments here

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
11:50 pm

godless heathen:

LOL !

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 27th, 2012
11:53 pm

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

May 27th, 2012
11:56 pm

Oops. Well I am old y’know.

I am going to put my flag out tomorrow in honor of our country & in memory and with thanks to all of those who have died for our freedoms. And, if I could, I would put my arms around all of the families who will never again hold but will never forget those brave young women & men. Oh, it is mostly the young who die! And tomorrow, I will also pray to whatever deities there be that we will NEVER have to send them into” harms way” again.

I'm just sayin'

May 28th, 2012
12:16 am

Maybe we should just scrap the democrat and republican parties and start over. Hopefully one could be the party of common sense. They like to keep folks argueing over BS so we don’t notice all of them lining their own pockets and to heck with those who voted for them Honestly, can you describe any politician being “the voice of the people”? They are for sale to the highest bidder. Forget caps, just outlaw lobbying altogether. Maybe then they can actually start representing the people.

Bill Orvis White

May 28th, 2012
12:18 am

@Wilmer–
I believe in freedom with a capital “F” and that includes providing the honorable men at the FBI, CIA and Blackwater with the tools that they need to root out jihadists, secularists, Marxists, Communists, Socialists, America-haters and their friends, the Godless liberals wherever they may exist. WE THE PEOPLE (Tea Party Republicans only) love this nation and are ashamed as to what is has become. WE THE PEOPLE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THIS ONCE-FREE NATION IS RETURNED TO US SO THAT WE CAN REPAIR THE DAMAGE THAT HAS BEEN INFLICTED UPON HER including high taxes and pro-environmentalism.
Amen,
Bill

billy joe

May 28th, 2012
12:33 am

Oscar

May 28th, 2012
1:28 am

Remember to spend some time thinking about those who died while your are grilling and eating watermelon. and thank them.

Liberal is NOT left enough

May 28th, 2012
4:39 am

U conservatives think Elizabeth Warren is done? Ha! She is going to beat Scott Brown and Gov Walker is going to lose his recall election in Wisconsin for daring to take on the Public Employee Unions!

I know Granny and the other sensible posters from the left are unified in theses opinions. Republicans will lose both those elections because liberals r always smarter than conservatives

Fred ™

May 28th, 2012
5:26 am

G Mare 71( got the living’ the red state BLUES!)

May 27th, 2012
9:56 pm

Well, Fred @ 9:19, if you believe that to be true re Pelosi & Ried, I guess you also believe in the Jolly Red Elf, the tooth fairy, the Great Pumpkin, and the Easter Bunny Wow, must be really tough being you in the REAL WORLD.

Okay, please don’t get your tighty whiteys in a wad. I “bear you no ill will.” I respect that you have beliefs opposite to mine and I hope and trust that you can grant me the same respect.
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OH THE STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT BURNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All I did Gmare was link you to WHO Bill Orvis White was, thta was the first article that always comes up when you google him (google IS your friend). Apparently that went WAY over your head. BTW I’ve never read the article lol. Here’s your sign:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5ZkdHImCuQ&ob=av3e

Rabbit

May 29th, 2012
1:38 pm

…a southerner sports lover who doesnt bet on football. Your talking about the early 90’s? give me a break..”
1. What part of “illegal” don’t you understand?
2. The story reported by Atlanta Unfiltered started in the early 90s, but the relationship with the gambler continued into the Calhoun Hotel saga.