… in which the Chip Rogers story gets more interesting

Memorial Day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_Day

Veterans Day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans_Day

We need to get these right.

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“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” Winston Churchill

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I am here because my 3 children & 7 grandchildren, one of whom is an Eagle Scout & 3 others are involved in scouting which is teaching them, as are their parents and churches, to love our country & to treat everyone with kindness and respect, are here. You do not get to make me “bad & wrong” because I disagree with what I view as your warped & perverted view of the world. We are NEVER going to agree on this, but as Voltaire (I think) said, “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Or in the current vernacular, SO SUE ME. Yeah, I could go on, but it is late, or early on this Memorial Day, so I won’t. One last observation: We all, I hope & trust, love our country & honor those who have died for ALL of us.

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Fast and Furious Spending

May 26th, 2012
10:39 pm

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He writes well. But he can twist history all he likes, the facts are that Georgia and the South left the Democratic Party because the embraced civil rights and equality, starting in 1948 when the DixieCrats were kicked out, and continuing with Kennedy and Johnson.
No distortion or rewriting of history can change that.

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Just as a drug that in the proper dosage can save your life, an overdose of government can be fatal.”

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As cab an underdose, or as the GOP would like, doing away with it entirely except for defense.

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Oscar – the fact that you claim one particular party upholds the Constitution makes me suspect you are only spouting what you’ve been told and want to be true. When is the last time you actually read the Constitution? Do you know what the term “enumerated powers” means? It’s a pretty self-explanatory term. Actually, the whole Constitution is amazingly straight forward. Our founding fathers did not allow much room for nuance. If you have any question about what something means or what it allows, please refer to the Federalist Papers which were written were published to clarify and alleviate concerns that our new Federal Government was not going to infringe on personal and states rights.

I’ve found that most people, like you, who say their particular party is the one who defends the Constitution- really don’t have a clear understanding of the Constitution. As we’ve seen, even some “Constitutional Scholars” either don’t have a good grasp of the protections the Constitution provides, or they simply disagree with the restrictions it places on the Federal Government.

Our Constitution has been usurped by both parties for generations. A death by a thousand cuts. Remember when they used to call the United States the “Land of the Free”? When is the last time you heard it referred to in that way? Yes, we may still be more free than most other countries, but our freedoms are deteriorating at a frightening pace.

If once you assure me that you have read and understand the meaning of “enumerated powers”, I will be happy to provide a long list of things the current administration, the Congress, and the courts have done which are beyond the authority of the Constitution. These things did not start with the Obama reign but they have absolutely increased exponentially since he came into office.

One thing I wish we would all realize is that the President of the United States should not affect our day to day lives. The politicians we should care the most about is our Governor, our State Senators & Representatives, our City Council members, and our schools boards. The Federal Government should rarely touch our lives. The power that those in Washington have taken over us is not authorized in the Constitution.

The party we should vote for is NOT the one who promises all the things they’re going to do FOR us. What they really mean is here are all the things they’re going to do TO us.

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Fortunately (I suppose) for some over-the-hill cons, an e-trenching tool does not need a sharp edge or even a sharp operator in order to turn over a rock big enough to hide Ann Coulter.

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Chip Rogers and Tom Graves arent the only ones with questionable bank activities .

Paul Broun is also under investigation from the same people that made our honorable Gov resign when he was a congressman.

http://www.citizensforethics.org/legal-filings/entry/fec-complaint-paul-broun-congress-georgia

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those “who better” know that the policies, programs, positions, guidance, etc. of the federal goverment ARE responsible and directly and indirectly impact our personal and family financial and emotional well being.

Well, if that is the case then, Thank you Mr. President.

Because i am a lot better off than i was four years ago.

Despite what the local and state governments try to do.

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All politicians are devious. Rogers is no exception, but I haven’t read anything about his having a mistress or cheating on a sick wife.

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Did the topic get expanded to cover the likes of Glenn Richardson?

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There’s a reason W never found those pesky WMD’s when he was looking around in his office…

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/man-whose-wmd-lies-led-to-100000-deaths-confesses-all-7606236.html

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Conservatives teach self-control.

Now that is funny! And as evidenced here daily, just another case of Scout’s empty platitudes gone horribly wrong.

Fred, what a great time. Kids running around playing, people throwing Frisbees on the lawn, and of course lots of grilling, eating and drinking.

And all those lovely sun dresses!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuDUWp4h9h4&feature=related

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A little dedication to our less than honest Republicans and their bad habits.

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davetv

May 27th, 2012
3:41 am

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Sure, I know what enumerated powers means. It means corporations are not people. It means all people should enjoy the protection of the laws and be allowed to vote, not just the elite few. It means the votes in Florida in 2000 should have been recounted. It means the government is not there just to protect big business, the rich, industry and defense. Those are some of the things it means.

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Okay, so Rogers liked to gamble and found a way to turn it into a job. Magazines are full of these sports “touters” and many make a living through their subscription services. This is a “victimless” crime.Gambling in general is clearly not a crime. Only certainly forms of gambling aredetermined by the state to be illegal as is proven by Georgias law approving the lottery. The lottery is a legal form of the “numbers” game which we used to put people in jail for participating in. Just three days ago a lot of time was spent on advocating the legalization of marijuana on this very site becuase many here including Jay believe it to be a victimless crime. A large number of people use marijuana in violation of that law. Our president claims to have not only used marijuan but cocaine as well with out any criticisim from the left. But, this is a Republican! The only difference in treatment.

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While y’all sit here and carry on with the partisan BS, make sure to take a moment in honor of those who sacrificed their lives so that you could be partisaned.

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Magazines are full of these sports “touters” and many make a living through their subscription services. This is a “victimless” crime.Gambling in general is clearly not a crime.

There is no such thing as a “victimless” crime. If a crime has been committed, there is a victim somewhere of some sorts. Otherwise, the action would not be criminal in the first place. Sad to see the contorting and twisting done to absolve Rogers of his behavior instead of just saying he was wrong and forgiving him. It’s far easier to just say he was wrong, but in true Christian behavior, you forgive him of his previous wrongdoings.

Sad…. Really sad….

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Brosephus and other readers, I wish to honor those who died for our freedoms – and especially for our freedom of thought – by educating the public to the mind and thinking of one of the primary architects of our nation’s democratic principles, Thomas Jefferson. I hope that, at some time during this Memorial Day Weekend, many will take the time to read – and digest – the following that I have just posted on Maureen Downey’s blog thread, “State of Georgia is undermining our public schools,” to another blogger who has misunderstood Jefferson’s thinking, in my opinion. (It should be noted that both Chip Rogers and Mitt Romney are supporters of the so-called school choice movement, which includes the choice of private schools using public funds, run by private corporations, which could ultimately dismantle public education. Jefferson was a strong proponent of the need for public education to ensure our nation’s continuance as a democratic republic, for which our soldiers have given their lives throughout our nation’s history.)
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“Mary Elizabeth, 9:51 am

@Jeffersonian, 8:01 am
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‘@MaryLiz: You’re reading from a script that selectively quotes Jefferson’s writings—and does violence to his legacy in perverting it to support the seminal tyranny of our age: socialism.’
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Jeffersonian, in all due respect, I think you should consider choosing another moniker for yourself. Thomas Jefferson was the founder of the Democratic Party which you have incorrectly referred to as the “Democrat Party.” You may have heard the Democratic Party incorrectly referred to as the “Democrat Party” on FOX News (among other media outlets), the television broadcasting company that is privately owned by business magnate Rupert Murdoch. Being privately owned, that broadcasting company can choose to broadcast what it wishes, including rightwing propaganda, if it so wishes. Do not think that some privately owned schools might not be tempted to do the same.

And, you are incorrect in stating that I have been “reading from a script that selectively quotes Jefferson’s writings.” I have no such reference book. I have studied Jefferson’s thought processes by having read and digested, in their entirety, the following books, among others, in which Jefferson’s thinking has been explored, in depth:

“Jefferson” by Saul K. Padover

“Revolutionary Characters” by Gordon W. Wood

“John Adams” by David Mc Cullough

and large parts of

“The Life and Selected Writings of Thomas Jefferson, including “The Autobiography, The Declaration of Independence, and His Public and Private Letters,” edited by Adrienne Koch and William Peden.

What is a sacrilege to Thomas Jefferson is that his name, and his thinking, have been highjacked by the ultra rightwing in our nation who, in my opinion, have only shallowly understood Jefferson’s mind. Let us allow the liberal (as he referred to his own thinking) Thomas Jefferson speak for himself regarding the need for public education to sustain America’s freedoms. From page 109 of the Padover book, mentioned above, here are Jefferson’s direct words, lifted from Jefferson’s “Notes on Virginia”:

“In every government on earth is some trace of human weakness, some germ of corruption and degeneracy, which cunning will discover, and wickedness insensibly open, cultivate and improve. Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves therefore are its only safe depositories. And to render even them safe, their minds must be improved to a certain degree. . .And amendment of our constitution (in Virginia) must here come in aid of the public education. The influence over government must be shared among all the people. If every individual. . .participates of the ultimate authority, the government will be safe.”

And, for a more extensive lifting of Jefferson’s words from his “Notes on Virginia,” Query XIV, taken from “The Life and Selected Writings of Thomas Jefferson,” page 246, see below:

“As soon as they are of sufficient age, it is
supposed they will be sent on from the grammar schools to the university, which
constitutes our third and last stage, there to study those sciences which may
be adapted to their views. By that part of our plan which prescribes the
selection of the youths of genius from among the classes of the poor, we hope
to avail the State of those talents which nature has sown as liberally among
the poor as the rich, but which perish without use, if not sought for and
cultivated. But of the views of this law none is more important, none more
legitimate, than that of rendering the people the safe, as they are the
ultimate, guardians of their own liberty. For this purpose the reading in the
first stage, where they will receive their whole education, is proposed, as has
been said, to be chiefly historical. History, by apprizing them of the past,
will enable them to judge of the future; it will avail them of the experience
of other times and other nations; it will qualify them as judges of the actions
and designs of men; it will enable them to know ambition under every disguise
it may assume; and knowing it, to defeat its views. In every government on
earth is some trace of human weakness, some germ of corruption and degeneracy ,
which cunning will discover, and wickedness insensibly open, cultivate and
improve. Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the
people alone. The people themselves therefore are its only safe depositories.
And to render even them safe, their minds must be improved to a certain degree.
This indeed is not all that is necessary, though it be essentially necessary.
An amendment of our constitution must here come in aid of the public
education. The influence over government must be shared among all the people.
If every individual which composes their mass participates of the ultimate
authority, the government will be safe; because the corrupting the whole mass
will exceed any private resources of wealth; and public ones cannot be provided
but by levies on the people. In this case every man would have to pay his own
price. The government of Great Britain has been corrupted, because but one man
in ten has a right to vote for members of parliament. The sellers of the
government, therefore, get nine-tenths of their price clear. It has been
thought that corruption is restrained by confining the right of suffrage
to a few of the wealthier of the people; but it would be more effectually
restrained by an extension of that right to such members as would bid
defiance to the means of corruption. Lastly, it is
proposed, by a bill in this revisal, to begin a public library and gallery, by
laying out a certain sum annually in books, paintings, and statues.”
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Notice that Jefferson wrote that public schools and public libraries are important to the continuation of our democratic republic, as well as the importance of historical understanding to safeguard the nation’s future. I wish to highlight the following words of Thomas Jefferson, from above.
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“Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the
people alone. The people themselves therefore are its only safe depositories.
And to render even them safe, their minds must be improved to a certain degree.
This indeed is not all that is necessary, though it be essentially necessary.
An amendment of our constitution must here come in aid of the public
education. The influence over government must be shared among all the people.
If every individual which composes their mass participates of the ultimate
authority, the government will be safe; because the corrupting the whole mass
will exceed any private resources of wealth; and public ones cannot be provided
but by levies on the people.”
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Jefferson could not be clearer in stating why public education is inextricably linked to the continuation of our democratic republic than he did in his words, above. My thinking overlaps with Jefferson’s thought processes in his deeper understanding of freedom; however, my thinking does not march in lockstep with Jefferson’s. I follow my own conscience, as Jefferson would have each of us to do. To read more of how my thinking overlaps with Jefferson’s, as well as how my thinking is varied from his, you may want to read my entry, posted on my own blog on December 8, 2011, entitled “Egalitarianism and Capitalism.” See below:

http://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2011/12/08/egalitarianism-and-capitalism/ ”
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Okay, maybe it’s just me, but what better to do on Memorial Day weekend to remember the sacrifices made for our Land than to sit on the cyber front porch and squabble, having a beer, smelling the barbecue, and solving the problems of the world…

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I really do not give a whit about this lousy excuse we have for a president, but come November that will change, as will Congress, particularly the Senate, and perhaps we can all just get along and move forward.

Nor was I impressed by Mrs Obama, until I have seen that she does do a lot for returning veterans and their families in particular. On this special weekend, hooray for her!

Memorial Day is just that, an observance in memory and pride for those of our family and friends that have paid the ultimate sacrifice so we can enjoy the fredoms we currently have.

Please fly a flag, say a prayer, or just remember for a moment all of those brave souls.

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I love these Democrat posts seen above, do they really truly believe Obama does anything different? If they do talk about denial!!!

Chip Rogers shady business deals are nothing on the level of what goes on in Washington these days…

You people need to wake up from your sleep!!

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Oscar 7:01

Yes the market is changing

I now get more in depth reporting from web freelancers than I do from the newspaper……

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• In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. Check the official numbers at the Office of Management and Budget.

• In fiscal 2010 — the first budget under Obama — spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion. • In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.

• In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.

• Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

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“I love these Democrat posts seen above, do they really truly believe Obama does anything different? If they do talk about denial!!!”

Well, so far, he has not involved us in any wars, has not presided over any tax cuts for the rich, has not caused our housing market to collapse, has not caused our financial markets to collapse, and has not caused our banking system to collapse.

I’d say that’s a little different, wouldn’t you?

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@mary elizabeth There you go again. Your same old song–opposing school choice and using this story of Sen Rogers to bolster your non-case. Parents deserve choices in education. It has nothing to do with politicians–ethical or not, smart or not.

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My mission today – go to East Beach and get on The Weather Channel with that Jim Catalina/Catchatore/Tortellini (whatever) dude. I’ll be the one in the funny hat.

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Here are the depths to which the Tea Potty, Fright-Wing will stoop.

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I always curious about who would actually vote Republican in a presidential election:

1. The welfare/entitlement crowd, always wanting to get the most for the least effort, all it costs is a vote;

2. The marginally stupid who actually think they are getting something for nothing;

3. Someone with an axe to grind against everyone who has actually done something for themselves and their families, all the time howling about how ‘the playing field’ is stacked against them, when in fact they were too lazy and/or not self-motivated enough to get the proper education or training to hold a decent job;

4. The unions, always wanting more people to subsidize their pensions (see Wisconsin), while contributing nothing of their own;

5. The intellectually vacant (nothing to see inside their heads, move along, move along), knowing that they back the wrong choice, but too stubborn or prideful or just plain stupid enough to never admit that they might have made a mistake, and admit it at least to themselves;

6. Those that just like to watch the world burn;

7. Racists (check the black voting blocks for this clown);

8. Media stooges, always hoping for that “Washington invitation” that never comes;

9. Assortments of minorities, thinking they’re going to get a piece of the pie – check out the tones of the party apparatus (not the POTUS, he’s their front guy)

Did I leave anyone out?

I do like to be all inclusive.

President Romney, 2012, coming soon to a voting booth near you.

May 27th, 2012
11:41 am

I always curious about who would actually vote Republican in a presidential election:

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Gosh! Bud Wiper! I cain’t hardly believe all them people’s a’gonna be a’votin’ Republican! Amazin’! Downright amazin’.

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Bud Wiper, and Jm, and all the rest of you Fright-Wing nutcases ought to move to Texas and secede from the Union and declare Texas Libertariana. You won’t have to worry about taxes, welfare, laws or the much-despised government that you hate so much. It would really work out for the rest of us since we wouldn’t have to fund your wars with our tax dollars anymore You’d just have to pay for them the best way you know how.

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Redneck: whatever you do, don’t let the Missus put no hex on me!

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Family Values (for everyone else but me)! Personal Responsibility (for everyone else but me)!
No Bailouts (for everyone else but me)!

Anyone down there in Canton see a pattern? Anyone see a problem? How much longer are you going to let this fool spit in your eye?

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Well, Sooth, if it would free me of such conspiracy theories as yours and the insults of Du-k-sha-nee, I’d move there tomorrow…

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josef: something tells me you wouldn’t be welcome in Libertariana.

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Sooth

What tells you that? Let’s face it, Houston is, after all, the largest municipality in the nation to have elected an openly gay mayor…if that’s what you’re referring to. Jewish? Hey, from Bejar forward the international zionist conspirators have been part and parcel of the people. Indian? The first president of the first Texas republic was an enrolled Tribal member, married to a Cherokee woman and addressed the Texas assembly in the Cherokee language. Romany? The University of Texas is the only state supported insitution of higher learning in the US to offer degrees in Romany studies. Texas is. as their ad campaign said, “a whole ‘nuther country” and, looking back over its history, not a bad record…

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josef, any good injun knows feathers are a fashion faux paus
for da beach mon. ohhh! there he is! so brave & roguish-ly handsome
in his Jim Pantalone weather channel garb, facing the storm! look for me!

now, here’s the lesson for today – here comes the storm, ask anybody
on dis island, are we all in this together, or is it ‘every man fer himself’?

Come to da island, mon and you will understand. Mother Earth teaches,
its up to you to listen.
-from iPhone

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St Simons

Fire up the margaritas and hurricane mixes

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I’ve never seen that many empty seats at the Indy 500 …………………….. !

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And because it is the Memorial Day weekend, I wish to repost these words, here, which I first posted on Ms. Downey’s blog, today, in memory of Thomas Jefferson’s contributions to liberty within our nation and throughout the world:
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“From page 110 of the book ‘Revolutionary Characters,’ by Pultizer Prize winning author Gordon S. Wood, regarding Thomas Jefferson:

‘Unlike Coleridge and Wordsworth and other disillusioned European liberals, Jefferson remained a champion of the French Revolution to the end.

He saw it after all as a movement on behalf of the rights of man that had originated in the American Revolution. And to the American Revolution and the rights of man he remained dedicated until his death. In the last letter he wrote he expressed his lifelong belief that the American Revolution would be ‘the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessing and security of self-government.’ He foresaw that eventually the whole world ‘(to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all)’ would follow the American lead.’
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Jefferson was a visionary who, at his core, believed in egalitarianism, and what he envisioned into the future is now unfolding on the world’s stage, with the rising of egalitarianism throughout the world, not only in America. Thomas Jefferson has been a major player in this unfolding that is, today, still in the process of unfolding. Jefferson may not have been a soldier in battle, but he was a champion of liberty to our nation and world through the dedication of his heart and mind to the people.

Let us never forget that truth, and let us always be grateful to Thomas Jefferson’s gifts to this nation and to this world.”

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Good race.

Warmongering on Iran again.

History repeating itself for WW III ?

Lets hope not..

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Mary Elizabeth- what is your analysis of our public education system? How is that method working out for us? Do you believe we are on the right track and just need to throw more money at it? You warn of the horrors of private schools brainwashing kids with capitalists views, but where is your warning of liberal teachers in public schools brainwashing kids with their socialists views?

Jefferson promoted the teaching of religion is schools and universities (and in Government buildings) yet I don’t see you mention that anywhere. Cherry pick much?

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getalife- excellent rebuttal of the points I raised. Thanks for breaking it down to the point that is most important – I’m racist. Nice work by you. You saw right through me.

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As Luckovich referenced this week, people who get all of their news from Fox are less informed than people who watch no news at all. Based on having elected one of the most corrupt politicians in the country for governor, I would wager that the majority of Georgia’s electorate fits that category. That given, it’s no surprise that the state’s goverment has alson been compromised by the likes of Ralston, Rogers, and other confidence men.

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I have something to point out to the group that so champions him. It is black people who should be the most angry at Obama. 95% of you voted for him in 2008.

If you are not actively involved in trying to assist Blacks in bettering any of those things you ask about and if you’re not Black yourself, nobody has to answer jack from you. If anything, you should stop to ask yourself why you’re waiting on the Black Superman when nobody else appears to be doing that. Obama is the President of the United States and not the President of the Black United States. On top of that, Obama is half White. He has done the same thing that every previous President has done to an extent. He has governed for ALL of America and not one specific group just because he belongs to that group.

Other than that, maybe you need to take a deep look inside to see why you have such hatred for melanin. I’m not gonna call you racist as getalife did, but if your thinking is what is supposed to represent conservative thinking and/or logic, I’m surprised that Obama only got 95%. Funny that people always whine when conservatives or anybody against Obama gets labeled as racists. All they need to do is look at your post as part of the problem and go the opposite direction in order to find the solution.

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Damn, the best thing about Dario winning is getting to see Ashley Judd….

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Brosephus (on behalf of many blacks)

I realize you don’t owe my jack, but if you would be so kind as to point out which of my comments you feel are either “melanin hating” or “part of the problem”. It would help me greatly as I look deep inside to find the source of my hatred. Thanks in advance.

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dave tv

Mary Elizabeth but where is your warning of liberal teachers in public schools brainwashing kids with their socialists views?

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What a joke …..have you been to a public school and seen how hard teachers work to cope with
kids who don’t come from affluent backgrounds and have to be encouraged to learn?

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“There was no “automatic” support for Obama because of his skin tone. His support was because he was the Democratic nominee.”

There you go again…shooting down a prefectly good lie with FACTS

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