Who’s ‘the party of civil rights’? That’s the wrong question

Kevin Williamson, writing in National Review, expresses contempt and disgust for what he calls “the outright lie, the utter fabrication with malice aforethought” in modern politics. He then proceeds to indulge in something pretty close to the fabrication that he claims to despise.

Williamson’s thesis is that the Republican Party is and always has been the party that fought hardest for civil rights in this country, and that the Democratic Party has been the party that has fought hardest to sustain white privilege. And he is angry that the reputations of the two parties do not reflect what he perceives as historical reality.

“That Republicans have let Democrats get away with this mountebankery is a symptom of their political fecklessness, and in letting them get away with it the GOP has allowed itself to be cut off rhetorically from a pantheon of Republican political heroes, from Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass to Susan B. Anthony, who represent an expression of conservative ideals as true and relevant today as it was in the 19th century,” Williamson writes.

Let’s stipulate that on the narrow terms in which Williamson attempts to define the issue, and within a particular time frame, he has an arguable case. Fifty or 60 years ago, much of the Republican Party did indeed support civil rights reform. That’s why the Rev. Martin Luther King Sr., along with many other black Americans, considered themselves proud Republicans at the time.

Conversely, as Williamson documents well, a very large chunk of the Democratic Party — much of it located here in the South — fought bitterly against civil rights and desegregation and in favor of white supremacy. For years, the Democratic Party in Georgia and elsewhere even conducted “whites only” primaries, meaning that black voters such as King Sr. could not have participated even if they wanted to do so.

But once you get past 1960 or so, that history gets much more complicated. You’ve got GOP presidential nominee Barry Goldwater defending segregation in his 1964 campaign, while President Johnson, a Democrat, fought valiantly for passage of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.

You’ve got George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms, and by 1968 you’ve got Richard Nixon and his Southern strategy. As Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips described the thinking back in 1970:

“The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.”

In other words, trying to debate who deserves the title of “The Party of Civil Rights” can quickly get pretty ugly and confusing. So rather than sink into a morass of charge and countercharge, along with attempts to count the various racists on each side in various eras, let’s simplify things dramatically. Instead of discussing this in terms of Democrats and Republicans, let’s address it in terms of liberals and conservatives.

Looked at that way, the issue crystallizes immediately.

Yes, members of both political parties supported the civil rights movement. They were liberal Republicans and liberal Democrats.

Yes, many Democrats chanted “segregation now, segregation forever”; they were conservative Democrats. And that distinction can be traced through every institution of society.

Liberal churches as a rule supported the civil rights movement, as did liberal Jews and liberal clergy such as Will Campbell. Conservative churches such as the Southern Baptist Convention, on the other hand, bitterly opposed desegregation. When the issue split a denomination, as it did the Presbyterians for a time, it was the liberal faction that supported civil rights and the conservative faction that opposed it.

The liberal NAACP and ACLU pushed Brown v. Board of Education to the U.S. Supreme Court, where the liberal Thurgood Marshall argued the case and found a sympathetic ear in Chief Justice Earl Warren, who was so reviled by conservatives that they launched a long-running campaign to impeach him.

Conversely, conservative political groups such as the John Birch Society routinely condemned the civil rights movement as communist-inspired and -led.

Liberal newspapers in the South — the Greenwood Delta Democrat-Times in Mississippi and the Atlanta Constitution here in Georgia, among a few others — angered many white readers with support for desegregation, while conservative newspapers such as the Richmond News Leader, edited by James J. Kilpatrick, staunchly defended segregation on the grounds that “the Negro race, as a race, is in fact an inferior race.”

“When the Negro today proclaims or demands his ‘equality,’ he is talking of equality within the terms of Western civilization,” Kilpatrick once wrote. “And what, pray, has he contributed to it? Putting aside conjecture, wishful thinking and a puerile jazz-worship, what has he in fact contributed to it? The blunt answer, may it please the court, is very damned little.”

And while liberal media outlets advocated strongly in defense of civil rights, conservative outlets such as Williamson’s own National Review argued just as strenuously that because of the “cultural superiority of white over Negro,” whites were “entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas where [they do] not predominate numerically.”

At this point, let me make it clear that the conservatives of today are not the conservatives of 40 or 50 years ago; I have every confidence that many many conservatives today would strongly repudiate what earlier generations of conservatives espoused. Nor am I attempting to argue that they are permanently stained with the mistakes of their ideological predecessors, because that would be ridiculous.

But let’s also make it clear just what Williamson is attempting to accomplish in his essay. He believes a political legacy is important and useful. He believes that today’s conservatives deserve some vague sort of credit for something that previous conservatives in fact got tragically wrong. He also believes that on issues of race, it is possible to inoculate today’s conservative movement by linking it to a crusade that their ideological forebearers fought bitterly. And history will simply not sustain that claim.

I would further suggest that if today’s Republican Party has “allowed itself to be cut off rhetorically from a pantheon of Republican political heroes, from Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass to Susan B. Anthony,” it is at least in part because today’s Republican Party has not exactly been in a rush to reclaim that part of its heritage.

– Jay Bookman

490 comments Add your comment

ramguy68

May 23rd, 2012
4:52 pm

Well all you have to look around us today….it’s not Rush or Fox leading the civil rights charge.

Common Sense

May 23rd, 2012
4:58 pm

That’s because it went from civil rights to extra rights, ramguy.

Michael

May 23rd, 2012
5:00 pm

Herman Cain is the only african american loved by the Tea Party, I am pretty sure. But I might be off by one or two.

InAtl

May 23rd, 2012
5:00 pm

Jays says: “But once you get past 1960 or so, that history gets much more complicated. You’ve got GOP presidential nominee Barry Goldwater defending segregation in his 1964 campaign, while President Johnson, a Democrat, fought valiantly for passage of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. You’ve got George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms, and by 1968 you’ve got Richard Nixon and his Southern strategy. As Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips described the thinking back in 1970″

I think it’s interesting that you fail to mention that Strom Thurmond was a Democrat until 1964, and Jesse Helms was a Democrat until the 1970s.

TDone

May 23rd, 2012
5:00 pm

The Democratic Party is nothing more than a bunch of plantation liberals and poverty pimps. If rascism and bigotry were to go away, most would be out of a job.

The Repblicans want equal opportunity for all. While the Democrats want equal outcome for everyone. That my friend is impossible to achieve.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

May 23rd, 2012
5:00 pm

Yawn….It’s the old ‘Conservatives are racists’ arguement, except it has no basis in fact.
Facts are things liberals don’t know about because they are terminally stupid.

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
5:01 pm

Please Common Sense, at least look up the definition of civil rights before posting something like that…

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

May 23rd, 2012
5:02 pm

Nobody pimps race more than liberals…It’s the only way the gain any ground. Nothing has to make any sense so long as you slap a race tag on it, it’s good to go.
Democrats – The party of empty slogans and race baiting…No wonder your symbol is an ass.

Doggone/GA

May 23rd, 2012
5:03 pm

” think it’s interesting that you fail to mention that Strom Thurmond was a Democrat until 1964, and Jesse Helms was a Democrat until the 1970s”

WHOOOOSH…the sound of the point being entirely missed.

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
5:04 pm

Common, are gay rights also “extra rights?” That’s been the conservative line of argument on gay rights all along, that they’re asking for “special privileges,” has it not?

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
5:05 pm

And TDone, a little help here: Please define “plantation liberal”.

Common Sense

May 23rd, 2012
5:05 pm

Please Jamvet, I know the definitions. I also know what Affirmitive action turned into I know what preferential treatment is.

Grow up and acknowledge they went beyond civil rights.

Some of us cannot be a bit more equal if you want to promote civil rights.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:05 pm

Bro has done a great job several times discussing the changes of each Party from pre civil rights until today……

He has spoke about the migration of voters, etc.

Over time both Parties deserve some blame for attempting to keep the “status quo” and both deserve some credit for stepping up to the plate…….. in reality it is the individuals, past and present, more than the Party affiliation

Matti

May 23rd, 2012
5:05 pm

Meanwhile, the War on Women (and physicians) marches on all around us:
http://www.ajc.com/news/cobb/fire-breaks-out-at-1444668.html

I have numerous Democratic girlfriends who are always up for the battle to preserve our rights. (We’re not done, so don’t get too comfy Mr. Becker.) I love my Republican girlfriends too! They’re always up for a shopping trip and drinks. We fight to preserve their rights too, even when they won’t.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:06 pm

“Nobody pimps race more than liberals”

And your stats are from where? I can easily post as much race baiting from the right as you can from the left……….

Let me know when you wish to start

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
5:07 pm

Common Sense, it appears that you do no know the definition, and why you won’t post it.

Good luck in trying to convince yourself otherwise though.

No wonder you try to move onto Affirmative Action so quickly…

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:07 pm

Matti @ 5:05

That is too funny

Bud Wiser

May 23rd, 2012
5:07 pm

You gotta love Bookman citing LBJ as a ‘civil rights hero’.

The same LBJ, by the way, that was reported to have said ““I’ll have those ni**ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years”, by his own limo driver.

You left wingers make it so easy to point out your feckless stupidity, I have to laugh out loud when I read some of your “reasoning”.

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:07 pm

Extra rights. Damn and I missed out. Must have been too busy getting my education, getting a career, getting married, raising our children and now looking forward to retiring in about 10 years to receive my share. Also all my family and friends will be surprised to hear this news.

getalife

May 23rd, 2012
5:07 pm

Non violent, civil rights movements still works today for change.

The gop are running out of Americans to discriminate against but they should remember they will be the minority one day.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
5:08 pm

…it is at least in part because today’s Republican Party has not exactly been in a rush to reclaim that part of its heritage.

It’s not hate, it’s heritage.

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:09 pm

InAtl @5:00 pm

They were slow learners.

Common Sense

May 23rd, 2012
5:10 pm

Jay, are you talking about civil rights, or gay rights?

The two are quite different. Marriage should not be endorsed by the government at all. Which is why you have the problem with “gay rights” in the first place.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:10 pm

“to point out your feckless stupidity,”

You must not have any mirrors in your house?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
5:10 pm

The “plantation” card.

That’s a tell.

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:11 pm

At this point, let me make it clear that the conservatives of today are not the conservatives of 40 or 50 years ago; I have every confidence that many many conservatives today would strongly repudiate what earlier generations of conservatives espoused.

If only.

Today’s conservatives today are the conservatives of 50 years ago. As far as I can tell, they’re still trying to gut or neuter portions of the Civil Rights Act–including numerous pieces of legislation passed to depress minority voting in response to their faux outrage about nonexistent voter fraud. Unfortunately, when it comes to equal rights for blacks, this is the tip of the iceberg.

Also, there’s fundamentally no difference, for example, between earlier fights for equality for women and blacks, and today’s fight for equality for those within the LGBT community. We can’t choose our sexual orientation any more than we can choose our skin color. But that doesn’t stop conservatives from seeking to deny others equality based on this characteristic. Of course, just like yesteryear, they use the Bible to justify their hatred of anybody who isn’t like themselves.

I wish it weren’t so Jay, but conservatives haven’t progressed much. It may seem like it, because their adept enough to pick their battles. But as Yogi Berra would say, it’s déjà vu all over again…and again…and again.

Common Sense

May 23rd, 2012
5:12 pm

Don’t worry PJ, it you are really successful, the government will step up and take credit for your success, citing how they helped you out.

And if you deny it, they will chastise you for it.

It’s a nifty little system that they have set up.

skipper

May 23rd, 2012
5:12 pm

Jay,
Yeah, extra rights does about sum it up. Look at the cluster Atlanta has become….

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
5:12 pm

“Marriage should not be endorsed by the government at all.

Well, that’s certainly not the conservative position, Common. Romney and his fellow Republicans advocate a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman, and that’s about the farthest you can take government involvement in an issue.

Matti

May 23rd, 2012
5:13 pm

Non violent, civil rights movements still works today for change.

The Georgia Misogynists are setting fire to clinics and breaking into offices to steal doctors’ personal information. Why do you supposed THEY resort to crime and fear to effect the kind of “change” they want? Can we really oppose them effectively with peaceful, rational, methods?

Hmmm….

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:13 pm

correction: ..because [they're] adept enough to pick their battles…

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
5:13 pm

I live in downtown Atlanta, Skipper. It’s been a great place to raise my kids. So what’s your point exactly?

Doggone/GA

May 23rd, 2012
5:14 pm

““Marriage should not be endorsed by the government at all.”

Wrong. Marriage is, and always has been, a LEGAL contract. It is religion that should get out of the marriage BUSINESS.

TDone

May 23rd, 2012
5:14 pm

Jay, a plantation liberal is a person of the caucasian persuasion, who talks a good game about civil rights, but in reality has very low expectations of people of color. Thus, he/she thinks and believes blacks can’t make it in the world without their help and support, anyone who shows they can operate without the help and support of the plantation is unqualified, and finally is not really comfortable among black people. Plantation liberals believe are better off staying on the plantation so they can feel good about themselves. They feel black folks can’t make it in the real world and thus need government and liberal help and support. The come out most often around eleection time. I know they concept is hard for many to understand, but black people know what I am talking about. We are used to it.

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
5:15 pm

The city of Atlanta is thriving, actually. Homes still being built; property values holding up better than most places. A lot of in-migration.

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
5:16 pm

So TDone, you subscribe to the “black people vote Democratic because they’re lazy and like free stuff” argument? They like “living on the plantation,” as you might put it?

pogo

May 23rd, 2012
5:17 pm

It is really hard to say who is the champion of civil rights, isn’t it? Is making an entire population of people beholding to a certain political party to the point that if they venture outside of that party and its beliefs or if they disagree with that party in any way (as Booker did recently) then they are considered as traitors to championing civil rights? Who exactly is the real champion here? A call was made to Booker and he was reigned back in by the pro-Obama democratic machine. Is that freedom? Is that civil rights?

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:18 pm

TDone,

I’m a liberal, and I can tell you that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Your 5:14 is one of the most nonsensical inferences of liberal positions that I’ve encountered.

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
5:19 pm

Pogo, what happened to Booker on Bain is exactly what happened to Gingrich on Bain. Same thing exactly, they got reined back into the party line.

Trying to explain it in terms of race is pretty silly

jewcowboy

May 23rd, 2012
5:19 pm

Common Sense,

“Jay, are you talking about civil rights, or gay rights? The two are quite different.”

Not according to the NAACP.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:20 pm

Skipper

Come on down to Inman Park, Chandler Park, etc.

Intown ATL is one of the areas leading the way in metro Atlanta in terms of new residential construction, homes being renovated, etc.

We don’t bite or anything, plus you can get away from those bland chain restaurants that permeate the burbs……

MrLiberty

May 23rd, 2012
5:20 pm

Only Ron Paul is speaking out for the protection of Civil Liberties. Only he voted against the Patriot Act, the NDAA, the Military Commissions act and every other modern day assault on the civil liberties of ALL americans. Jay, you of course are ignorant and painting with a broad brush again. Ron Paul absolutely thinks that government should get out of the marriage business and openly acknowledges that the constitution allows no role for the Federal Government in defining marriage, etc. The ONLY role for government is to uphold legal contracts between individuals (regardless of who they are or how many). Only Ron Paul speaks out against the RACIST war on drugs which overwhelmingly impacts people of color despite the fact that the vast majority of drug users are white. He is also the only one speaking out loudly for the abolition of the TSA – who violates everyone’s civil liberties day in and day out.

The RIGHT question to ask is why do NEITHER the republican or democratic party leadership and most of their rank and file care at all about civil liberties anymore? And why does the only candidate who does get so much grief about promoting freedom and liberty in a country that was supposedly founded on those principles??

Ennis

May 23rd, 2012
5:21 pm

I’m a fiscal conservative, but a liberal social person. I don’t exactly fall in line with any of the parties today. But I will say this: The republicans have it wrong about not taxing the wealthy. The money to run this country has to come from somewhere. I also believe that the guvment has spent too much money on social issues that will never be resolved in the deep deep hearts of whiteys and “those people” Why can’t people look at a issue and not bring deep seated religious or racial hatred (yes, black people do have hatred) and find the right solution. This divide (in my opinion) is what is gonna make this country into a 3rd world climate within the next 25 years or so..

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

May 23rd, 2012
5:22 pm

War on woman…LOL! Idiot.

Jefferson

May 23rd, 2012
5:22 pm

What happened to the “party of Lincoln” ?

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 23rd, 2012
5:22 pm

Jay, I have to tell you that I find Liberal Chicks Are Ugly’s blog name VERY offensive. Just so you know.

barking frog

May 23rd, 2012
5:22 pm

Kennedy/Nixon. Sea change
for both parties. Liberals
went democratic. Conservatives went Republican.

lovelyliz

May 23rd, 2012
5:23 pm

“Yes, a liberal Republican, Senator. What happened to them? They got run out of your party. What did liberals do that was so offensive to the liberal party? I’ll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things every one. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, ‘Liberal,’ as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won’t work, Senator, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor”

MrLiberty

May 23rd, 2012
5:23 pm

Most importantly for Ron Paul, he believes that everyone has rights because they are an individual, NOT BECAUSE THEY BELONG TO SOME SPECIAL, PRIVILEGED GROUP. Good luck with that concept at your next democratic party gathering (or republican for that matter).

skipper

May 23rd, 2012
5:23 pm

APS (unless you are on of the few lucky ones at one of the FEW decent schools) is a prime example, Jay, but I digress…….there has been mistreatment, etc, in the past but the inner city ‘hood mentality seems to be kinda prevelant….and this is a bad example when more and more AA’s are realizing, like Cain, that good things can happen.

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:24 pm

Mr. Liberty,

Are you talking about the wrong Paul who published the following in his newsletters?

*”Racial Violence Will Fill Our Cities” because “mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified in stealing from mostly white ‘haves.’ ”

*Another letter said “I think we can assume that 95 percent of the black men in that city [Washington] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

*An August 1992 edition of the Ron Paul Report labeled former Rep. Barbara Jordan (D) of Texas “the archetypal half-educated victimologist,” according to the Houston Chronicle.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2011/1229/Racist-newsletter-timeline-What-Ron-Paul-has-said

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
5:25 pm

Jay, I have to tell you that I find Liberal Chicks Are Ugly’s blog name VERY offensive.

Best to simply ignore crap like that.

An insult is like strong drink or poison — it can only affect you if you accept it.

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:26 pm

Common Sense @5:12 pm

As well it should. I owe everything to this Country and no sacrifice is too big. Unlike some I’m proud to be an American and every privilege that come with it. And seeing how the Government is the Country I take your statement with pride.

MrLiberty

May 23rd, 2012
5:26 pm

Jefferson – Lincoln supported sending all of the blacks back to Africa and would have kept slavery active throughout the union if it hadn’t been politically expedient to side with the abolitionists and use the slavery ploy as a way to win support and to cover his unconstitutional war. Just read his inaugural address and it is very clear where he stood on civil rights.

Soothsayer

May 23rd, 2012
5:26 pm

Well, Jay’s done it again! He’s done kicked over that “race” anthill. It wouldn’t surprise me none if Redneck Convert don’t come on here and have a jumpin’ up and down hissy fit about this!

“[W]hat has he in fact contributed to it?” He picked all that cotton didn’t he?

I want my wealth redistribution check!

May 23rd, 2012
5:27 pm

I long for the day we live as Martin Luther King Jr. stated about being judged by the content of our character and not be the color of our skin, or what diety we worship, or who we love.

I was asked in an earlier blog if I was joking or being satirical about a net worth tax on billionaires and those who made a 100 million or more and no I’m not. I used to be very conservative in thought until one day I was really pondering the political landscape and the political realities and I discovered that if I choose to be a liberal, I have more to gain. See, I am a person in a family with 6 people and I make less than 29,000 dollars a year, that places me well under the poverty rate, because of that I am able to get a rather large tax return check every year, has been 4000 dollars should be more now that I have 4 children, I get over 400 in food stamps and when Obama care is found constitutional, there is no fine for those under 150% of the poverty level, I can get enrolled in Medicaid and pay very little or nothing for my health care, now I pay over 100 every two weeks for excellent care but wheter my company drops insurance (due to the fact the fine is less than what it cost them to ensure my and my fam) or I choose not to continue I can just enroll in medicaid off of people who work really, really hard. I make good choices in spending, have no vices like smoking or excessive drinking so I don’t have to work hard and I can have a good middle class lifestyle with out the middle class income or paying middle class or higher taxes. So go ahead, raise taxes on the rich, I don’t give a flying flip. I make off better and I don’t have to work hard to provide for my family, instead, I take money from someone else…..

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:28 pm

skipper

Not sure if you are aware, but there are numerous successful AAs just like Cain and they feel at home in the Democrat Party.
yes they are executives, own businesses, etc

Do they all like everything Dems do? Certainly not

Do all conservatives and right of center indivduals regardless of race like all that goes on in the Republican Party? certainly not

While not a Cain fan, I think it is great that he does provide an opposing view

Joseph

May 23rd, 2012
5:28 pm

Giving away free stuff using tax payer money is not civil rights Jay. That is simply the only reason the democrap party has a hold on the black community.

Generation$crewed

May 23rd, 2012
5:29 pm

Seems both sides had people who have and continued to stick up for cival equality.

However it does seem that liberals have went out of their way to “make-up” for past inequality, by giving what appears to be advantages based soley on ones race/ethnicity. How does that represent equality?

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:29 pm

“Facts are things liberals don’t know about because they are terminally stupid.”

I thought you were not a liberal…………

hahahahaa

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
5:29 pm

I make off better and I don’t have to work hard to provide for my family, instead, I take money from someone else…..

There’s your sign.

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
5:29 pm

This one will go over like a lead balloon.

:)

Joseph

May 23rd, 2012
5:30 pm

Cain unfortunatly was attacked and run back on the plantation simply becuase dems wanted to get rid of him. What happen to all those women who came running out of the woodwork to scream sexaul harrassment. You media freaks must have forgotten all about them….

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:30 pm

Soothsayer,

Jay didn’t kick over the anthill. Kevin Williamson at the National Review did.

If conservative columnists are going to write pieces fabricating history about their roles in opposing civil rights, then it’s incumbent upon the fact-based community to set the record straight.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:31 pm

Bro

Like the “Led Zeppelin”

Straight down

Thulsa Doom

May 23rd, 2012
5:32 pm

“it is at least in part because today’s Republican Party has not exactly been in a rush to reclaim that part of its heritage”

Would you mind elaborating further and explain what it is that the Republicans can offer minorities today that they don’t already have? Do they have full voting rights? How about access to educational and job opportunities through affirmative action and protection against discrimination via the laws of the land? We also have various social welfare and safety net programs to aid and help not just minorities but white America also. So what exactly is it that Dems offer so much of that Rs don’t and what is it that Rs should do better?

jewcowboy

May 23rd, 2012
5:32 pm

Joseph,

“Giving away free stuff using tax payer money is not civil rights Jay. That is simply the only reason the democrap party has a hold on the black community.”

Using that same logic, it would explain why corporate leviathans have the Republican’s tied up so pretty in their pockets. Archer Daniels Midland anyone?

http://www.theonion.com/articles/corporatewelfare-recipients-are-they-eating-steak,672/

Soothsayer

May 23rd, 2012
5:33 pm

I want my wealth redistribution check! I hope you lose your job or livelihood and have to actually live the life that you (pathetically) parody. Be careful what you wish for.

Only the “good job” stands between you and poverty.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:34 pm

“Cain unfortunatly was attacked and run back on the plantation simply becuase dems wanted to get rid of him”

What a stupid comment? Cain was in a Republican Primary and was ahead or close in the polls. Seems that a few men named Romney, Gingrich and Santorum had much to gain by him being gone

And every day he can still be heard providing right wing talking points on WSB

When you have a least a little bit of fact, please come see me

jewcowboy

May 23rd, 2012
5:35 pm

Thulsa Doom,

“So what exactly is it that Dems offer so much of that Rs don’t and what is it that Rs should do better?”

Acceptance?

MrLiberty

May 23rd, 2012
5:35 pm

CJ – I see you are one of the many who completely ignore 30 years of solid, principled voting record over some publications that everyone admits he personally never wrote. So how is Obama’s record on civil liberties lately? Just how many american citizens has he murdered without due process (2 actually that we know of), how may individuals will rot away in a cage somewhere with no due process, how many medical clinics will be raided because he does not respect a state’s right to legalize a medically-useful plant, how many innocent Yemenis, Pakistanis, Somalis, Libyans, Iraqis, Afghanis, Syrians, etc. have died because of his actions?

I don’t know who wrote those pieces or why they slipped through the editing process, but I know how Ron Paul has voted and I know that Obama cares nothing for civil rights or civil liberties and neither does Romney. I know that Ron Paul cares about everyone’s rights, regardless of their race, religion, gender, etc. but I also know that he does not support SPECIAL rights for anyone because to do so would violate the rights of others.

ODD OWL

May 23rd, 2012
5:36 pm

All the racist segregationists left the Democrats party and joined the Republican party way back in the 60’s and the 70’s… There aren’t any white citizen council members, Klan memebers, skin heads, Aryan nation, neo-cons or tea party members in the Democrat party… All of them are members of the Republican party… Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Phoenix, Arizona has become the face of the Republican Tea party…

josef

May 23rd, 2012
5:36 pm

IMAM

” Please define “plantation liberal”.”

The Hodding Carter ramily immediately comes to mind…

The APS today, only it’s now Jaime Cuervo…

Otherwise…
A pretty good analysis…but we might ought to start with the truth about the GOP and civil rights back at the turn of the last century…who gave us Plessy v Ferguson and Williams v Mississippi, the Dawes Commission, the Hawaiian Invasion, the Spanish American War,,,?

Hmmmmmmmm

May 23rd, 2012
5:36 pm

CJ wouldn’t know a fact if it hit him/her upside the head….

I really can’t believe we are wasting yet another day talking about this issue….

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:37 pm

Those pieces were published with Ron Paul’s knowledge and permission. He supported the racial comments in subsequent interviews by references “studies.” Read the article, Liberty.

GT

May 23rd, 2012
5:38 pm

These missionaries for hate, Jessie Helms and Strom Thurmond only belonged to the Democratic Party in the 60s along with Herman Talmadge and Lester Maddox, because the Republican Party was the party of Abraham Lincoln who freed the slaves. After the war the black slaves would run for office as Republicans. You then got this freak southern section of the Democratic Party who totally abandon any support to the party as a whole. They wouldn’t even come to the airport to meet most of the national candidates for office in their own party. They had tremendous power in the Congress because they understood the seniority system, Dick Russell has the senate office building named after him, but they were a state without portfolio in the party.

I remember watching National Democratic Conventions as a kid and seeing southern delegates walking out of the conventions because the party wanted to support civil rights. Some angry beer belly greasy looking duck tail in a cheap short sheaves shirt and black thin tie would shove some reporter like Dan Rather a couple of rows back as he stormed out of the place. George Wallace stood at the door of the University of Alabama as a Democrat defying another Democrat the president of the United States John F. Kennedy. If you wait up one morning and find yourself in bed with Thurmond, Maddox, Talmadge and Wallace realized you are not in a elite crowd.

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
5:38 pm

I must confess that watching the meltdowns of UGLY, TDone, skipper, wanter and Joseph is mildly amusing.

Keep it up fellows, I’m making some popcorn!

jewcowboy

May 23rd, 2012
5:40 pm

MrLiberty

May 23rd, 2012
5:40 pm

jewcowboy – you are absolutely correct. Just another reason why Romney is basically the same as Obama and why Ron Paul was the standout in the race. He is the only one who has spoken out against the corporatist/fascist state of affairs that exists in government (both parties) when it comes to political favors using tax money to buy votes from either specific interest groups or business groups. Bottom line, both the dems and the republicans are corrupt in this sense.

The reason both parties fear Ron Paul so much is that he actually IS different from them. Arguments like yours don’t hold water up against him. Dems buy off black and hispanic voters with other people’s money, republicans buy off military industrial/prison/security state voters with other people’s money, and Ron Paul votes against ALL of it, never has any lobbyists visiting his office and everyone know’s he can’t be bought. Who else is right for the White House???

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 23rd, 2012
5:41 pm

Yeah, Kam, I know you are right, but …. Okay, but just DAMN. So I will add add him the ignore list. Sigh!

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
5:42 pm

If conservative columnists are going to write pieces fabricating history about their roles in opposing civil rights, then it’s incumbent upon the fact-based community to set the record straight.

Agreed.

The conservatives can run, but they cannot hide…

The civil rights movement, once a controversial left-wing fringe, has grown deeply embedded into the fabric of our national story. This is a salutary development, but a problematic one for conservatives, who are the direct political descendants of (and, in the case of some of the older members of the movement, the exact same people as) the strident opponents of the civil rights movement.

It has thus become necessary for conservatives to craft an alternative story, one that absolves their own ideology of any guilt. The right has dutifully set itself to its task, circulating its convoluted version of history, honing it to the point where it can be repeated by any defensive College Republican in his dorm room.

Kevin Williamson’s cover story in National Review is the latest version of what is rapidly congealing into conservatism’s revisionist dogma.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/05/conservative-fantasy-history-of-civil-rights.html

I want my wealth redistribution check!

May 23rd, 2012
5:42 pm

I’m not mocking the middle class lifestyle, I love it, I have a a home, two older vehicles that run and are paid for, I’ve figured quit fighting liberals in gov’t who continue to give out money like candy and just take it since they insist on giving it away.

Dash

May 23rd, 2012
5:42 pm

You unfortunately miss the point Common Sense. The participants of the Civil Rights Movement neither advocated for nor received extra rights. They only asked for equality, and equality did not magically occur when Supreme Court ruled in Brown v. Board of Education and/or signed the Civil Rights Act. These civil rights landmarks did not erase 250 years of prior humiliation and discrimination. It takes time to overcome generational oppression. More importantly, it takes policies that ensure the creation of an environment where everyone – majority and minority – have an opportunity to succeed.

Soothsayer

May 23rd, 2012
5:42 pm

MrLiberty: on many issues, I am with Ron Paul. But if you look at everything he stands for, it’s impossible for a Progressive to vote for him.

Julia

May 23rd, 2012
5:43 pm

Jay, you are a far better person than I to be able to deal with this day in and day out. My hat is off to you!!

jewcowboy

May 23rd, 2012
5:44 pm

But maybe minorities don’t join the GOP in droves simply because they are uppity. Right Rush?

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:44 pm

Thulsa Doom @5:32 pm

Wilie Horton comes to my mind when I think Republican. Sandra Fluke. The Clintons. You Lie! Swift boating. Just to name a few. There are only so many insults that one should have to take.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
5:45 pm

…I’ve figured quit fighting liberals in gov’t who continue to give out money like candy…

There’s your sign.

Matti

May 23rd, 2012
5:45 pm

G Mare 71 @ 5:22,

I agree, but I’m sure his person is even more so. People who are secure in their own skin don’t need to say ugly things about another person’s appearance to feel better about themselves. Only a truly lonely, not-a-chance-in-heck kind of man says those things about women. Bless his heart!

jewcowboy

May 23rd, 2012
5:47 pm

MrLiberty,

“The reason both parties fear Ron Paul so much is that he actually IS different from them.”

Just a personal opinion, but I don’t think someone who has polling number south of Argentina is actually inspiring fear into either party.

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:47 pm

“…if [Ron] Paul were elected, there’s a good chance that whoever did write them, or others with similar views, would wind up in a position of power in the US government. Paul would likely draw staff from organizations like the confederate-sympathizing Mises Institute. Who knows what other crackpots he’d put in positions of authority? Even if we assume Paul himself doesn’t have a racist bone in his body, the fact remains that he doesn’t seem too upset about racists working for him. And if it took Rep. Paul 5 years to notice what his racist ghostwriter was writing in his personal newsletter, how long would it take President Paul to notice racist policies being pursued by his attorney general?”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timothylee/2011/12/22/it-doesnt-matter-if-ron-paul-is-racist/

Soothsayer

May 23rd, 2012
5:47 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

May 23rd, 2012
5:49 pm

Doom — “So what exactly is it that Dems offer so much of that Rs don’t and what is it that Rs should do better?”

A lot less demagoguing, and you’re an example of that very behavior, Mr. She Paid With Food Stamps And She Was Driving A Caddy. :roll:

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:50 pm

jewcowboy

Whats up man? Hope all is well.

Good post @ 5:47. Paul’s followers are passionate, no doubt, however they do not understand how small in numbers they are in terms of the big picture.

But they do create some noise for better or worse.

While I don’t agree with many of his stances on issues, my main problem is that he talks a big talk about both Dems and Repubs. LEAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY……….. That is all he has to do

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:50 pm

I want my wealth redistribution check! @5:42 pm

Well maybe freedom is free. I’ll let my son know when he gets back from his 3rd tour in four years serving in the USAF.

GT

May 23rd, 2012
5:51 pm

The real story is we are still taking race decades later like it is a fresh subject. I really thought we had buried this junk. I must admit when I see a black Republican I stare a little, trying to see if he is a white guy with makeup.

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:52 pm

Ron Paul’s non-answer about his racist attitudes towards black Americans during the New Hampshire GOP debate was a classic evasion. It was also a virtual admission of guilt.

Akin to a man on trial for murdering his wife–but who insists on talking about how he is a good father–Ron Paul is unable to explain away the racist screeds in his newsletters, opposition to honoring Dr. King with a national holiday, and belief that the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 should be overturned because black folks’ freedom is an imposition on white people’s liberty.

His name was on the masthead of a newsletter which has repeatedly featured racist editorials; he cashed the checks from the subscribers to this newsletter; he believes that Civil Rights legislation is tyrannical towards whites; white supremacists have endorsed his works; his son, also an elected official, shares the same attitudes about sacrificing the full citizenship of black Americans to a “higher principle.”

http://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/2012/01/logical-fallacy-of-defending-ron-pauls.html

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:53 pm

Bottom line: If the best you can do is throw out Ron Paul as your evidence that conservatives aren’t racists, then you’ve already lost the debate.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
5:54 pm

LEAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY……….. That is all he has to do

And probably never be re-elected in Texas again.

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
5:56 pm

Kam at 5:45.

As noted earlier, the epitome of useful tools.

And guys like him explain why the ten poorest states in the nation are all…………………….. you guessed it, Republican.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m18vz8H8pc1qz4sr8o1_400.jpg

josef

May 23rd, 2012
5:56 pm

skipper

The Imam knows full well what a plantation liberal is. He just doesn’t want to admit it.

F. Sinkwich

May 23rd, 2012
5:57 pm

A race blog. Hmmmmmm.

Jay got the DNC memo this morning and has acted on it just like all good “journalists” today should.

What prompted this latest attack on conservatives?

Well, O’bozo lost 40% of the DEMOCRAT vote in Akkansa and Kentucky primaries. Bummer. But there must be a reason for that. Economy killing policies, maybe? Nope.

The White House organ, WaPo, knows why and makes it clear: racism.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/whats-the-matter-with-kentucky/2012/05/23/gJQAMF5hkU_blog.html

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:58 pm

Kam

That is my point. He talks a big game, but he never has had any real intentions to leave the Republican Party to be a Libertarian, independent or whatever………. Quit talking, start walking. His followers don’t seem to see that. Oh well, he isn’t going anywhere on the national stage

Plus he loves his “earmarks” a whole lot more than he loves denouncing others for taking them as well

Soothsayer

May 23rd, 2012
5:58 pm

I want my wealth redistribution check!

May 23rd, 2012
5:59 pm

congrats to your son serving the USAF, I served too but in the Army…..i’m not deliberatly trying to tick people off, but the reality is, some of these gov’t programs have created an opportunity for me to live better than I deserve and I don’t have to work for it, is this fair? Is this moral? I literally can gain the system if you will legally, I am doing nothing against the law, not hiding income that I earn to obtain these benefits. So tell me, everything has conseqences, including our tax policy…..I promise you I’m not the only person who figured out this, I won’t be the last. At least I’m not lying when I say I am earning what I earn, unlike the Seattle doctor and his wife who were millionaires but found a way to get 100 thousand in gov’t benefits by lying…..they were caught. I hope the gov’t gets every red cent those people milked welfare from back.

jewcowboy

May 23rd, 2012
5:59 pm

Howdy They BOTH suck,

Doing well. Thanks…and yourself?

“But they do create some noise for better or worse.”
That they certainly do.

“LEAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY……….. That is all he has to do”
Whether Dem or Rep, in my opinion he will always be a fringe candidate.

“A state can decide. We don’t need somebody in Washington. I live on the gulf coast, we deal with hurricanes all the time. The local people rebuild the city. Built a sea wall and they survived without FEMA. We should be like 1900, we should be like 1940 1950 1960.” ~ Ron Paul, calling for the end of FEMA just as Hurricane Irene was slamming the east coast, costing many lives and a lot of damage.

Um…he just lost about 53% of the US population that lives within 50 miles of a coast.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
6:02 pm

josef

While there are certainly liberals that have played and do play the political game to garner minority votes, etc.

I would have to say that liberals in general have done much more than conservatives in terms of pushing for civil rights.

Not Democrat or Republican, but ‘liberal” and ‘conservative’……. Of course those two words can mean a million different things to a million different people, but generally speaking

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
6:03 pm

jewcowboy

Doing well, thanks. When I mentioned leave the Republican Party, I meant to be a Libertarian or whatever, not to be a Democrat.

He is just running is mouth. He is talking but not walking

Joe Hussein Mama

May 23rd, 2012
6:05 pm

F. Sinkiewicz — “Well, O’bozo lost 40% of the DEMOCRAT vote in Akkansa and Kentucky primaries. Bummer. But there must be a reason for that.”

The challenger in AR didn’t file by the deadline and so can’t win any delegates anyway. As it it matters, since AR is a solidly red state. And so’s KY.

Interestingly, Romney took *less* than 70% of the vote in both AR and KY. So maybe you should ask yourself why a couple of solidly Red states don’t like YOUR candidate, not why a couple of solidly red states don’t like the Democratic candidate.

(laughing) :D

josef

May 23rd, 2012
6:07 pm

BOTH

Oh, I agree with you on the liberals and their having done more than conservatives in pushing for civil rights. The point I am trying to make is that the term plantation liberal is far more apt a descriptor than many on “my” side would dare to admit…

Jay brings up the Delta Democrat Times and then, when he asks to define a plantation liberal, conveniently overlooks the archtypical such, the Hodding Carter family. I’m not about to even consider downplaying what that family and that paper did at a crucial time in Mississippi’s history, but, as I said about Great Granny “early feminist,” that’s only half the story.

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
6:08 pm

“I think it’s interesting that you fail to mention that Strom Thurmond was a Democrat until 1964, and Jesse Helms was a Democrat until the 1970s.”

After that what were they? And why?

Stevie Ray...Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right here I am....

May 23rd, 2012
6:08 pm

Jay,

I didn’t know that so thanks for the thoughtful piece…just wondering does this mean the Jokers and Clowns are arguing over who is nicer to African Americans? Yikes.

I’m still giggling about the fact that 41% of WVA DEM primary vote went to dude incarcerated in Texas and in another state 40% or so voted uncommitted….that’s a bad sign wouldn’t you agree. Also I just heard the CBO is projecting if spending cuts are implemented and the W tax cuts expire, we will double dip….I’m not one that believes the CBO accurate in the long term, but this seems some bogus news for all incumbents if unemployment (HP dropping 27,000 workers BTW) shoots up or the otherwise actual unemployment at 16% moves up….

Moderate Line

May 23rd, 2012
6:09 pm

94% of Northern Democrats voted for the civil rights act. The Democrats who voted against the civil rights act were mostly from the south. 85% of Northern Republicans voted for it. Only 7% of southern Democrats voted for the civil rights act. Also, of the 10 Republicans from the house none voted for the civil rights act. So in reality it was a not a Republican or Democrat breakdown but a Southern vs Northern.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_paradox#Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

However, note in both regions more Norther Democrats voted for it than Norther Republicans.
Also, note more southern Democrats voted for it than southern Republicans.

Now we move ahead 40 years and we now see a Republican party which has more Southerners we would expect the southern bias to move the Republicans as whole below the Democrats. Especially since many Democrats in the south are probably from minority districts whereas that was not the case in 1964.

The argument Kevin Williams makes is easily debunked.
Northern Democrats and Northern Republicans supported civil rights.
Southern Republicans and Southern Democrats did not.

Mark in mid-town

May 23rd, 2012
6:10 pm

One of the consequences of liberals being in control of the news media and academia is that they get to re-write history. Most Southern Democrats from the 1950s and 1960s remained Democrats until the day they died. It was only when whites from the Northeast and North Midwest started to move South in great numbers in the 1950s that much of the South started to shift from majority Democratic Party support to majority Republican support. George Will wrote a column about this back in 2004. Here is a link to that column: http://townhall.com/columnists/georgewill/2004/02/05/regional_politics/page/full/

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
6:11 pm

At this point, let me make it clear that the conservatives of today are not the conservatives of 40 or 50 years ago; I have every confidence that many many conservatives today would strongly repudiate what earlier generations of conservatives espoused. Nor am I attempting to argue that they are permanently stained with the mistakes of their ideological predecessors, because that would be ridiculous.
________________________________________________________________________

Jay, I applaud you for this paragraph, but even without reading the first comment, I would venture to guess that others here will not do the same.

The chance to slander, insult, and “spit on” other Americans (vets, mothers, fathers, gays, LEO’s, firefighters, teachers, disabled, etc) who differ in political opinion is too tempting to pass up.

Cal

May 23rd, 2012
6:12 pm

And how is the dem’s war on poverty going?

For a fourth year in a row, the African-American poverty rate more than doubled that of non-Hispanic white Americans, according to 2010 data released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. At 27.4 percent, the African-American poverty rate also nearly doubled the overall U.S. poverty rate – 15.1 percent.

Equally alarming, the Census Bureau report also revealed that the Hispanic poverty rate increased to 26.6 percent, up from 25.3 percent in 2009. The poverty rate for Hispanic children increased to 35 percent.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
6:12 pm

josef @ 6:07

Got you. As I stated in my post, there are certainly those that are playing the political game. I call them “limousine liberals”…….

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
6:13 pm

I want my wealth redistribution check! @5:59 pm

There will always be people like you that game the system. Look at Romney, the gov’t bailed out the pension funds of the people who worked at the steel mill that Bain let close. Trash comes out of high places the same as low. And one must be trash regardless of race, gender or economic background to take advantage of a system set up to help the needy and the bankrupted. I sure your pride is enormous.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
6:15 pm

“Reverse discrimination” far outweighs old fashioned “discrimination” in today’s America.

We’ve come full circle.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
6:16 pm

Mark in Midtown

Some good points. With that said 2 of the last 3 RNC chairmen didn’t apologize for the Southern Strategy because it failed in the efforts to cause racial divide and tension in efforts to get Southern White Democrats to start voting Republican.

LBJ didn’t say after signing Civil Rights legislation that the Dems had just lost the south because he thought that the was going to go over well with a percentage of southern white voters.

pogo

May 23rd, 2012
6:16 pm

Moral Equivalency eh Jay? That argument makes anything, no matter how insidious, AOK, doesn’t it? Because no matter how aggrecious the infraction, someone can always go back and say that something equally as bad or worse has been done, can’t they? Gingrich is gone and was always a minor player. Obama is the president of the United States and he has a formidable and menacing campaign machine that can keep any black politician in line ( like he and his congressional leaders Pelosi and Reid did with Healthcare). Of course it wasn’t limited to black politicians then was it? There is a great difference between Gingrich and Obama, isn’t there Jay? And Jay, are you admitting that Obama strong-armed Booker? It certainly seems that you are. I have a great respect for Booker now. I know that he could not stand up to the DNC and Obama though. His political career would have been toast because without them he had no money. They essentially shut up the wayward black man, again didn’t they? And you want to talk about Civil Rights?

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 23rd, 2012
6:18 pm

Thanks, Matti. While I just had to woman up, I do realize that there is no hope or help for ignorant misogynists. At age 71, I have dealing with this crap for a lot of years. Sigh!

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
6:18 pm

mark in midtown

I doubt the “liberal media” made this guy say the following

Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman, this morning will tell the NAACP national convention in Milwaukee that it was “wrong.”

“By the ’70s and into the ’80s and ’90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out,” Mehlman says in his prepared text. “Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong.”

What did George Will say about that?

josef

May 23rd, 2012
6:18 pm

BOTH

The limousine liberals are somewhat of the same stripe, but a different subspecies altogether.

Midtown…
@ 6:10
Shhh…al Shariff Imam Torquemada will sling a Yankee Sharia fatwah upside yo pointy lil uppity haid.. :-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
6:18 pm

George Will wrote a column about this back in 2004.

Is that the same George Will whose wife dumped all of his belongings in the front yard of their Georgetown home with a note that said, “Take it somewhere else buster”, cause he was banging the daughter of the owner of The Washington Post ?

That George Will?

:lol: :lol :lol:

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
6:20 pm

Did George Will opine on the following?

ch-maligned Republic National Committee Chairman Michael Steele is facing new abuse from fellow Republicans over a speech he made Tuesday at DePaul University. “For the last 40-plus years, we had a ‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South,” he said.

End of the day, I am just glad that overtime enough people have stepped up to do the right thing……. Progress shouldn’t have to be so slow, but yes we as a nation have made much progress

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
6:22 pm

josef

I hear you. Sort of in the same in my book. Not knocking the wealth of anyone, but some of the wealthy liberals are talking more than walking……… like the “plantation liberals”.

Common Sense

May 23rd, 2012
6:22 pm

PJ,

“As well it should. I owe everything to this Country and no sacrifice is too big. Unlike some I’m proud to be an American and every privilege that come with it. And seeing how the Government is the Country I take your statement with pride.”

Being proud to be an American has nothing to do with it. America is NOT the Federal Government.

It’s a good thing you owe everything to them. Because with the debt they have enslaved you with, you will be paying for it dearly.

But ignorance is bliss.

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 23rd, 2012
6:23 pm

Okay, should have said, I have been dealing.

josef

May 23rd, 2012
6:24 pm

BOTH
“Progress shouldn’t have to be so slow, but yes we as a nation have made much progress”

Yes, we have. It is why, despite all the bickering a nyanh-nyanh I can remain an optimist…

kayaker 71

May 23rd, 2012
6:25 pm

It is amazing to me how blacks in the North or the South could be so hoodwinked as to think that Democrats really give a damn about their lot in life. Their loyalty has been taken for granted by a very ambivalent Democratic party for generations, however, the black vote usually goes to the Democratic candidate. And when that Democratic candidate is black, he gets over 90% of their vote. It wasn’t until McKinny pushed the envelope that she lost her job, however Cold Cash Jefferson had a loyal following right up to the end, much like Marian Berry. Even now that Je$$ie has found a second girlfriend, I am sure that the persona will not change and he will show up at the next race baiting event, tooting his racial horn. Bottom line…. what has the Democratic party done for the black community except use them at each election and forget about them the next day? Bozo doesn’t give a tinker’s damn about the black people in this country. To him, they just represent votes….. nothing more.

Mandingo

May 23rd, 2012
6:25 pm

Let me help the blog understand………… A black man born in America is a Black American…….. Not a Negro nor an African American. As an American citizen I tend to vote for whoever I want to for whatever reason. Black Americans do not count for enough of the population to elect anyone to become the President of the United States. Minorities which includes Black Americans , Latino Americans , College Educated Americans, Poor Americans and Women as a block can elect someone to become the President. This block of Americans tend to vote Democrat because there is no room under the GOP tent unless you are a white male, a greedy white male, or a slave state white male. There is room AROUND the tent for well paid tokens like Hermain Cain, Allen West and Clarence Thomas.If all eligible votters go to the polls President Obama will be re-elected.

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
6:25 pm

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
5:16 pm
So TDone, you subscribe to the “black people vote Democratic because they’re lazy and like free stuff” argument? They like “living on the plantation,” as you might put it?
___________________________________________________________________________

Jay, I took what TDone wrote as saying, *White liberals* want Blacks to stay on the plantation so they can take care and protect Blacks because the *White liberals* feel Blacks protect or take care of ourselves.

barking frog

May 23rd, 2012
6:26 pm

LBJ got Kennedy’s agenda
passed because he needed
the Kennedy liberal vote to
get reelected.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
6:29 pm

Jay

Please check to see why my 6:28 was hung up.

Thanks

Matti

May 23rd, 2012
6:29 pm

GRTL spokesperson pretends they’re not involved. Now isn’t that special?
http://www.ajc.com/news/ob-gyns-worried-burglaries-1444822.html

You can sneak around, steal stuff, set fires, and bully people, but we know who you are. We know what you did.

Martin Williams

May 23rd, 2012
6:30 pm

Jay, thanks for a serious quick read history lesson and for someone that came to this country in 1975 as a student from West Africa, I see it all over again especially since Obama became president. I have heard a preacher I believe from the State of Colorado praying for the president to have cancer and die. I recently listened to other two preachers from the State of North Carolina preaching about hate. One thing I know Jay is that, all the churhes combined in this country have more revenue than the Federal government and this is also why they all talk all kinds of crazy stuff. It is time for ALL churhes to start paying taxes. You average Americans don’t even know that.

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
6:30 pm

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:20 pm
Skipper

Come on down to Inman Park, Chandler Park, etc.

Intown ATL is one of the areas leading the way in metro Atlanta in terms of new residential construction, homes being renovated, etc.

We don’t bite or anything, plus you can get away from those bland chain restaurants that permeate the burbs……
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TBS, wuzzup?

When my sister moves down from NJ, I’m moving to that area (if all you White people haven’t bought up all the houses by then :lol: )

paulo977

May 23rd, 2012
6:30 pm

Doggone

It is religion that should get out of the marriage BUSINESS.
_________________________________________

Well said!

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
6:31 pm

kayaker

I responded to your 6:25 and asked you a question. It is currently hung up for some reason. I will be out for a little while, but looking forward to your reply if the post ever gets out of “purgatory”.

josef

May 23rd, 2012
6:32 pm

FORMAL BLACK GUY
@ 6:25

That’s pretty much the case as I see it. Paternalism is rampant among liberals, and I proudly will call myself one, but that doesn’t mean I can’t see it for what it is inside looking out…

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
6:33 pm

(if all you White people haven’t bought up all the houses by then :lol: )

hahahahahha

I’m Panamanian and White…….. so there is room for you as well……. NO DOUBT.

Cool people from of any race, political affiliation, religion, straight, gay, bi……………. Welcome

“Cool” is the key word

kayaker 71

May 23rd, 2012
6:35 pm

Mandingo, 6:25,

Alan West was elected from a mostly white majority district in Florida. Herman Cain had a huge white following during the campaign and Clarence Thomas is a most respected justice, married to a white wife, BTW. The problem with most people like you is that you cannot condone some who is black being a conservative. Tell me that Condi Rice and Colin Powell were token blacks and sitting “around the tent”. What an asinine statement. Are they just not black enough?

Boris Badnoff

May 23rd, 2012
6:35 pm

Certainly the Democrats are the party of the Big Tent. Where else could you find a woman who is 1/32 Native American who will be the next senator from the state that gave us the Royal Family, The Kennedys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN2FGuYgtlY

The person who founded the Democrat party, Andrew Jackson, was in the forefront of the civil rights movement. He granted permission for his slave manservant, Uncle Alfred, to be buried at his feet. What else could one ask?

Class of '98

May 23rd, 2012
6:36 pm

No mention in the column about who fought against slavery. Christians were the driving force in the abolitionist movement. Christians are almost by defintion “conservatives”.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
6:36 pm

Talk about discrimination !!! I want that Notre Dame “FIGHTING IRISH” thing gone right now ! That little leprechaun thing is demeaning to all of us Irish ! Where’s the ACLU ???

Headline: “Oregon outlaws all Native American mascots statewide”

“There will never again be a team called the Braves, Chiefs or Indians in the state of Oregon, after the Northwest state officially outlawed all mascots connected to Native American themes in a State Board of Education meeting.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/oregon-outlaws-native-american-mascots-statewide-202537499.html

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
6:36 pm

TBG

Well I guess I used a nationality and race……

So Hispanic and White………..

To make it simple…….. I have a year around tan

:-)

josef

May 23rd, 2012
6:36 pm

IMAM

BTW
“…the Greenwood Delta Democrat-Times in Mississippi…”

Its in GreenVILLE… :-)

josef

May 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm

FORMAL BLACK GUY

Don’t overlook Buckhead…it’s not at all what the stereotype would have you believe…

josef

May 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm

SCOUT

I’d like to see Oregon try that in Florida,,,the Seminole Nation would be all over them in a flash!

When it comes to those names, however, there are those done with respect, the Braves, and those done without, Redskins…

St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones

May 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm

well, the over/under in this office before we saw the sophomoric AM
radio codeword “plantantion” was 4, and we got that.

Poor cons. They don’t get it so bad, they’re becoming a poo-flinging
parody of themselves. This is what its like on their plane of
alternate reality, the self-created world they live in –
1) Ignore the Great Re-Alignment, maybe it’ll go away. At least
our rube base probably doesn’t remember. Education aint their thing.
2) Bootstraps are the true freedum!
3) You’re a racist fer noticing it, dammit.

Now click your little red shoes, cons “there’s no place like home…”

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
6:46 pm

Joseph

May 23rd, 2012
5:30 pm
Cain unfortunatly was attacked and run back on the plantation simply becuase dems wanted to get rid of him. What happen to all those women who came running out of the woodwork to scream sexaul harrassment. You media freaks must have forgotten all about them….
_____________________________________________________________________

Joseph, you do realize that you ARE NOT HELPING conservatives/republicians when you spout BS like this, right?

F. Sinkwich

May 23rd, 2012
6:50 pm

Can we just cut to the chase here

josef

May 23rd, 2012
6:50 pm

St Simon’s

Well, YOU are a plantation liberal, after all… :-)

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
6:52 pm

Let’s not whitewash (LOL!) the past shall we?

The conservatives in this country were dead wrong and for all practical purposes completely on the side of evil in the civil rights era. They, in fact, tried everything they could to stop blacks from gaining any kind of equality.

They deserve NO credit for the advances made then. That this hack Kevin Williamson and the people at the National Review contend otherwise is pure nonsense.

That the conservatives of today cannot admit this, nor come to grips with their still flagging attempts in this matter, is what is of importance.

And why they are essentially the Lily White Party…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
6:52 pm

josef:

I hear you …………… but you better tip toe on the “Redskins” thing or since you are a “Whiteskin missing Foreskin” person you had better stay out of the “Blackskins” area because they like that name for their team ………………. :o

josef

May 23rd, 2012
6:53 pm

BORIS

Let’s see…the Cherokee Elizabeth Warren in the same post with Andy Jackson…and the big tent…hmmm, something there just don’t quite jibe…not exactly sure what it is, but…. :-)

kayaker 71

May 23rd, 2012
6:53 pm

The Civil Rights Act, much like the Energy Dept, was supposed to correct a societal and economic problem that demanded the diligence of our Congress and our leaders. Neither has succeeded. We are paying more for gasoline now than we ever have and our dependence on foreign oil is at an all time high. We spend over 23B dollars for an agency that does next to nothing to solve our energy problem. The Civil Rights act has produced two or three generations of welfare dependence, such as the country has never seen. We have taken an ethnic group and turned them into a group of hangers on and government dependent people who can’t think past the next government check. We have more people on food stamps, more aid to dependent children, more subsidized housing, more school lunches, more affirmative action, more welfare checks, more children born to single mothers with no father in the family than every before. We spend billions of dollars each year and for what? That black dude who fathered 30 children with 11 mothers in the past two years is a prime example of the results of the Civil Rights Act. Granted, large strides have been made in education, job equality and respect, especially in the military. However, we are spending record amounts of dollars on the same old thing every year and it just gets worse. But the Democrats will be able to count on that vote in November,,, no doubt about that.

F. Sinkwich

May 23rd, 2012
6:53 pm

Can we just cut to the chase here?

It’s only May and Jay and the rest of the lib ilk media (see my WaPo link earlier) are gonna play the race card every chance they get from now until November.

The meme is simple.

Anyone who disagrees with O’bozo is a racist.

josef

May 23rd, 2012
6:54 pm

SCOUT

“Whiteskin missing Foreskin”

A high-five from the Unmentionable… :-)

josef

May 23rd, 2012
6:57 pm

Kayaker

AND, we have more people…and it seems “those people” are reproducing rather rapidly, being opposed in the main to abortion as a means of birth control…

pogo

May 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm

Jay, how in the heck can you sit and support Obama’s anti-Bain campaign knowing that he is sitting and eating at high-dollar fundraisers with private equity donors? How can you are or any liberal live with yourselves? Either you are willing to be played as fools or you are just mindless sycophants willing to be played by a charlatan. You are not so much different than those that are struggling to pay their bills that send their money to a slickster evangelist.

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:44 pm
Thulsa Doom @5:32 pm

Wilie Horton = Maurice Clemmons
Sandra Fluke = Sarah Palin
The Clintons = The Bush’s
You Lie! = Die Quickly
Swift boating = Bush’s NG record falsified by Dan Rather
Just to name a few. = BOTH sides do it.

There are only so many insults that one should have to take. – TRUE. So why not insist that BOTH sides knock it off?

St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones

May 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm

ok, that was funny, both of you

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
6:59 pm

Yo St. Simon’s. Wanna have lunch next Friday? We’ll be at Amelia Island all week and driving back Friday. I’m sure it can’t take THAT long to get from one Island to the other…… It would be me and my daughter (10).

Gator Joe

May 23rd, 2012
7:01 pm

If anyone cares to go to the trouble to do the research, white racism and bigotry have, without interuption, been present in this country’s history from day-1 to the present. The only difference between the modern versions, and those in the past are the way white racism and bigotry are, and were practiced. From slavery and Jim Crow in the past, we now have subtler forms, though some forms today are not so subtle as for example, the attempts to de-legitamize the first President of color.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
7:01 pm

Can we just cut to the chase here

Always chase cookies with an ice cold glass of ilk.

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
7:01 pm

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:53 pm
Bottom line: If the best you can do is throw out Ron Paul as your evidence that conservatives aren’t racists, then you’ve already lost the debate.
________________________________________________________________________
I’m a modconservative and I’m not racist. Is that possible?

josef

May 23rd, 2012
7:02 pm

jewcowboy

Hey…are you still here…would like your opinion on something…

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
7:04 pm

osef

May 23rd, 2012
7:02 pm

jewcowboy

Hey…are you still here…would like your opinion on something…
+++++++++++++++++++

I can answer. He thinks you are a drama queen too lol. :lol:

I mean Hi josef, how was your day. :P

F. Sinkwich

May 23rd, 2012
7:06 pm

“From slavery and Jim Crow in the past, we now have subtler forms, though some forms today are not so subtle as for example, the attempts to de-legitamize the first President of color.”

Lib ilk Gator just proved my point.

Thanks.

St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones

May 23rd, 2012
7:06 pm

if my 3 yr old gets one more note from school, his name’s
gonna be Knocka-outta.

Normal Free, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

May 23rd, 2012
7:07 pm

Got into this one late and I can’t stay but I don’t know about the Republican Party being about civil rights, but they sure are all for corporate rights…just saying….

josef

May 23rd, 2012
7:07 pm

FRED

Only when I disagree with him! :-)

My day…? Reams of year-end-paperwork and such, but a pretty good one overall…and yours?

F. Sinkwich

May 23rd, 2012
7:09 pm

Subtle racism = disagreeing with O’bozo.

Got it.

Common Sense isn't very Common

May 23rd, 2012
7:09 pm

Having grown up in Marietta a few blocks from where J.B. Stoner once lived I was always embarassed by his racial stances.
The stupid flowed freely in those days and it took many years to mitigate the damage.
But in the last 10 years I see regressives trying to bring back those ‘good old days’

Gator Joe

May 23rd, 2012
7:09 pm

F. Sinkwich: Lib ilk Gator just proved my point.

What, that you are ignorant of this country’s racist and bigoted past and present?

F. Sinkwich

May 23rd, 2012
7:10 pm

Subtle racism = calling O’bozo O’bozo.

Got it.

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
7:11 pm

So Gator Joe, what are your thoughts on Black racism?

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
7:12 pm

F. Sinkwich

May 23rd, 2012
7:10 pm

Subtle racism = calling O’bozo O’bozo.

Got it.
++++++++++++++++++++++

No that just shows you are a total talk radio brain washed f’ing idiot without the ability to interact in a rational debate. Nothing racist about stupidity………

kayaker 71

May 23rd, 2012
7:12 pm

Gator Joe, 7:01,

As joseph pointed out the other night, Bozo is an Quadroon. At least you could have held out for the real thing.

josef

May 23rd, 2012
7:13 pm

St Simon’s

You may have heard this bit of spiritualism, but the name thingie brings it up

Little Indian boy asks his grandfather, “Granpaw, why do us Indians have such strange names?”
“I’ll tell you, my son, when you’re born we take you outside and the first thing you hear or see or smell, we name you. That’s why your brother is called Running Deer and your sister is called Singing Dove. But, tell me, why do you ask, Two Dogs F**cking?”

F. Sinkwich

May 23rd, 2012
7:14 pm

“What, that you are ignorant of this country’s racist and bigoted past and present?”

Get help.

Blaming your failures in life on someone else is destructive.

Just trying to help.

Gator Joe

May 23rd, 2012
7:18 pm

Having experienced what Blacks have, and are experiencing they would be justified. I don’t see any evidence of Blacks enslaving whites, excluding whites from the ballot box, donning sheets and pointed hoods to terrorize whites, lynching whites, not allowing whites to live in specific areas. I could go on but it occurs to me, I’m wasting my time with people like you.

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
7:19 pm

“Anyone who disagrees with O’bozo is a racist.”

No… Just you and your ilk here…

F. Sinkwich

May 23rd, 2012
7:20 pm

Gator wants reparations.

How much do you want to make you feel better?

Gator Joe

May 23rd, 2012
7:20 pm

I left out something Sink, you are not only ignorant of this country’s history, but you’re just plain ignorant.

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
7:21 pm

“Blaming your party’s failures on your successor is destructive.”

Just trying to help…

F. Sinkwich

May 23rd, 2012
7:22 pm

RT says conservatives are racist.

Just like Jay and WaPo!

josef

May 23rd, 2012
7:22 pm

GATOR JOE

So, we are to conclude that racism is strictly a black-white thing? And what about the endemic racism of Blacks against Mexican-Americans, Indians, and Asians? Right up there with the White boys…equality, ain’t it grand…

Gator Joe

May 23rd, 2012
7:22 pm

Gator Joe is white and Hispanic. If reparations were to be made, this country would be getting off cheap. Reparations could never make up for all the suffering experienced by blacks.

josef

May 23rd, 2012
7:23 pm

SINK

Best not bring up reparations…a lot of folks over on the left is agin that…

Me? I’m for the Confederate Veterans Plan for reparations, eh, Brosephus… :-)

Thomas Heyward Jr

May 23rd, 2012
7:24 pm

Civil rights are inherent to EVEN women and children that live in Yemen or Somalia.
.
Obama is a murdering monster.
\
Ditto his supporters.
.

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
7:24 pm

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
6:33 pm
(if all you White people haven’t bought up all the houses by then )

hahahahahha

I’m Panamanian and White…….. so there is room for you as well……. NO DOUBT.

Cool people from of any race, political affiliation, religion, straight, gay, bi……………. Welcome

“Cool” is the key word
___________________________________________________________________
Oh, BELIEVE me I know.

I used to date a lady who lived in the Inman Park area. The summer BBQ’s with half the neighborhood involved were the bomb.

josef

May 23rd, 2012
7:24 pm

GATOR JOE

Don’t them pesky redskin savages get no reparations?

Marc Parella

May 23rd, 2012
7:25 pm

Jay, your blanketed statement that “Barry Goldwater defending segregation in his 1964 campaign, while President Johnson, a Democrat, fought valiantly for passage of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.” shows a woeful lapse of scholarship integrity. Goldwater never defended segregation; instead, he defended individual rights. There is a distinct and a very important difference between supporting segregation as an institution and the right of individuals to associate.

The right to associate is a basic human right. Goldwater Republicans like me support Gay Marriage in the same sentence as we have opposed forced integration. Civil Rights are indeed an important function of the Federal Government and Goldwater’s 1964 speech on the Senate Floor states the government’s responsibility. (Speech available here: http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/jan_2003/when.htm)

In that speech he never supported or championed discrimination. Individual freedom is what Barry Goldwater fought for, when few politicians had the temerity to take on very unpopular but principled positions. I have often believed that Barry Goldwater’s vote on the 1964 Civil Rights Act was among the most-courageous votes in the history of the United States Senate. I believe that because the 1964 Civil Act was a tragedy of policy even if it had been a triumph of will. It has contributed to greater racism and division in our country over the decades since it was passed. What most liberals don’t understand is that a more powerful remedy was already at work in our society to cure the ills of discrimination and racism. The effects of Social Convention were already working to change our culture and the Civil Rights Act stifled the progress made by Social Convention. You and I are not racists, not because of a Federal Law, but because of the conventions of our culture (and possibly our upbringing) strongly discourage racism. The Civil Rights Act harm this process by trying to level the playing field in every aspect of human interaction and thereby created deep resentments that still exist today.

F. Sinkwich

May 23rd, 2012
7:26 pm

Gator is a white Hispanic!!!

Related to Zimmerman are you?

I bet you feel his pain.

:lol:

saywhat?

May 23rd, 2012
7:27 pm

The National Review has been an embarrassment to for quite some time. They have been a great contributor to turning the phrase “conservative thinking” into an oxymoron. I am not the least bit surprised by the level of deceit, cynicism and outright hackery in the article. Articles in The Onion exhibit more honesty, worth, and even accuracy in their own way than anything printed in NR. What was that principle Jay mentioned where a parody of extremes is almost indistinguishable from the real thing?

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
7:27 pm

Gator Joe, he is not ignorant. He just plays stupid to perfection. From much practice.

Look, I kinda feel sorry for these so-called conservatives.

Their documented track record over a long period of time, on this matter is flat out horrific.

Their political sires, including in many, many cases their parents and grandparents, were rabid racists. And some of those people are still alive and full of bigoted poison,

And as Jay noted in his excellent piece, these current cons, themselves may not be.

But they sure don’t have the balls to acknowledge the truth about any of this.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
7:27 pm

Whatever happened to “forced busing” ?

I guess that one didn’t work ?????

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
7:27 pm

josef

May 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
FORMAL BLACK GUY

Don’t overlook Buckhead…it’s not at all what the stereotype would have you believe…
________________________________________________________________________

Believe it or not, I’ve been here since ‘92 but I never really spent much time in Buckhead.

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
7:28 pm

If the shoe fits…

Why would Rick Santorum say:
”I don’t want to make black people’s lives better by giving them somebody else’s money. I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money and provide for themselves and their families.”

And, well I’ll you extrapolate who uttered this nugget:

Newt Gingrich says he plans to “go to the NAACP convention and tell the African-American community why they should demand paychecks instead of food stamps.”

These weren’t comments from years gone by, they were made just last year by two GOP presidential front runners speaking to “true” Americans…

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
7:28 pm

I’ve been out.

Josef, I’ve fixed that. It didn’t feel right as I wrote it, so thanks.

Anything I missed?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
7:29 pm

Gator Joe

May 23rd, 2012
7:29 pm

Well stated JamVet.

josef

May 23rd, 2012
7:29 pm

SCOUT

It didn’t play well in Boston!

F. Sinkwich

May 23rd, 2012
7:30 pm

Are white Hispanics like Gator eligible for reparations?

Don’t think so.

Bummer, Gator, you might have to get a job.

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
7:30 pm

Gator Joe

May 23rd, 2012
7:18 pm

Having experienced what Blacks have, and are experiencing they would be justified. I don’t see any evidence of Blacks enslaving whites, excluding whites from the ballot box, donning sheets and pointed hoods to terrorize whites, lynching whites, not allowing whites to live in specific areas. I could go on but it occurs to me, I’m wasting my time with people like you.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Why are you talking about the conditions in Africa where they still practice slavery? That other sht you mentipon ended anywhere from 170 years to 40 years ago here in America.

But never mind. I see you are a black racist ass hole and I have no time for racists regardless of the color of their skin. They disgust me. Since you are a apparently a racsit you in specific disgust me and are unworthy of further contact.

I refuse to deal with white racists, I certainly have no problem peeing on rcists of other colors as well. I wish ALL you racist SOB’s would just die and let us rational folks conduct business.

josef

May 23rd, 2012
7:31 pm

IMAM

Not to worry, even us Mississippi folk do it all the time! Yeah, you missed something…a definition of plantation liberal… :-)

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
7:31 pm

And of course there’s the vehement defense of an armed vigilante stalking and killing a hoodie wearing thug…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
7:31 pm

“The use of potential force from drones has raised the ire of the American Civil Liberties Union.

“It’s simply not appropriate to use any of force, lethal or non-lethal, on a drone,” Catherine Crump, staff attorney for the ACLU, told CBSDC.”

Well ……………. there you go. That ends that.

Next !

St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones

May 23rd, 2012
7:31 pm

Yo Fred, be happy to. Come by Spanky’s after 7, I should be back in town by then. Introduce yourself. I’m easy to spot.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
7:33 pm

“FREEZE ………….. put your hands on your head “……………. Drone !

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
7:34 pm

Wow, could I have made more typo’s lol. It’s what happens when talking to the girls and trying to post.

St. Simons: LO, after 7? I hope to be in Atlanta by then. Is THAT when you folks eat lunch? Or did you mean after 7 AM lol.

F. Sinkwich

May 23rd, 2012
7:34 pm

“Introduce yourself. I’m easy to spot”

He’s the one in the pink tutu.

:lol:

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
7:34 pm

and you missed a racist defending being a racist………..

kayaker 71

May 23rd, 2012
7:35 pm

Gator Joe, 7:18,

Your point is well taken. We have a pretty checkered past in our relationships with the black community in this country and the resentment, anger and hate is just below the surface, much of it justified. If I were a black man, I would have the same resentment, anger and hate as much of the black community has. It is far from over. Those who have moved on and put most of this in the past have fared better than those who are still walking over Selma bridge, however. A certain identity, heritage and pride was stripped from the black man when he was taken from Africa and he is still searching for it, to get it back. Our President, however, never experienced what you might have. He has no identity with it other than to be ‘half black” which is a stretch. He was raised in Indonesia, then came to Hawaii, went to Columbia then to Harvard….. not your usual scenario with a typical black person struggling for identity in a country which they resent and are having trouble coming to grips with. Our criticism of him is not a criticism of you. And those who criticize the President are not all racists. Some are but the majority more concerned about the future of our country than the color of our President’s skin. I just wish that the first black President could have been a little more black and a little less a politician.

St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones

May 23rd, 2012
7:35 pm

I only wear the pink tutu at Castaway’s

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
7:36 pm

“‘Barcode everyone at birth’”

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120522-barcode-everyone-at-birth

“He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.”

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
7:38 pm

What do ya’ll think of Pizza Patron offering a free pizza but ONLY if you order in Spanish?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/pizza-parlor-giveaway-sparks-heated-debate-011043451.html

josef

May 23rd, 2012
7:39 pm

FRED

“Introduce yourself. I’m easy to spot”

He’s got a feather growing out of his head! Accents the Dockers and Izod quite nicely… :-)

FORMAL BLACK GUY

This part of town has got it all…AND it’s convenient to just about everything…

josef

May 23rd, 2012
7:42 pm

FRED

Hell, I ALREADY order my pizza in Spanish! I know most of the staff at our favorite pizzaria…and, pssst, they give us and our kids at school some really neat deals…

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
7:43 pm

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
7:28 pm
If the shoe fits…

Why did Joe Biden say this about Obama “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,”

Why did Harry Reid say Obama was “light-skinned” and having “no Negro dialect unless he wanted to have one.”

Why did Bill Clinton say about Obama “A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee,” to Ted Kennedy.

Yeah, if the shoe fite.

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
7:43 pm

josef

May 23rd, 2012
7:45 pm

FORMAL BLACK GUY
@ 7:43

Plantation and Limousine Liberals…

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
7:45 pm

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
7:28 pm
I’ve been out.

Josef, I’ve fixed that. It didn’t feel right as I wrote it, so thanks.

Anything I missed?
____________________________________

Jay, I took what TDone wrote as saying, *White liberals* want Blacks to stay on the plantation so they can take care and protect Blacks because the *White liberals* feel Blacks protect or take care of ourselves.

Joseph at 5:30 said what you accuse TDone of…

Just saying…

TaxPayer

May 23rd, 2012
7:47 pm

Well! I think Jay has done gone and wrinkled some white hoodies amongst our Republican brethren.

josef

May 23rd, 2012
7:48 pm

SCOUT

Barcoding and the beast?

Back when we first were going over to computer for just about everything, I named my 666 and posted it on the screen (forehead) and keyboard (hand)…my principal came in and asked me why…so I told her that you couldn’t do anything anymore without it, so it must be…she laughed, but still made me take it down…today mine at home is Diabulus ex Macchina… :-)

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
7:49 pm

josef

May 23rd, 2012
7:45 pm
FORMAL BLACK GUY
@ 7:43

Plantation and Limousine Liberals…
__________________________________

Yup.

Heading home. This daymn Obama economy has me working late again.

I’ll check in from da’ crib.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
7:51 pm

Anything I missed?

Ilk and cookies.

Tom Middleton

May 23rd, 2012
7:53 pm

I remember from PolySci, Jay, that the Dems and Republicans switched sides on this issue, but I couldn’t remember exactly when or how.

Thanks for your history lesson, sir. And to me, it all seems to point to one thing: Abe Lincoln today would have to be a Democrat.

As a Republican, he couldn’t get through the primaries, unless he, too, became a soulless flip-flopper on everything, with $millions to spend for destroying his opponents. But wait, that wouldn’t be Abe Lincoln, would it? Never mind! :)

St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones

May 23rd, 2012
7:55 pm

josef, if you come down to de islands, you and two-spirit NEED to
check out Castaways

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
8:00 pm

In 1995, the Southern Baptist Convention voted to adopt a resolution renouncing its racist roots and apologizing for its past defense of slavery, segregation, and white supremacism.

And the truth shall set you free..

saywhat?

May 23rd, 2012
8:00 pm

From the article Jay links- “…and Jonah Goldberg has now provided an illuminating catalogue of tyrannical clichés…”

When Jonah Goldberg AKA “doughy pantload”, whose primary conservative academic “credential’” is by accident of birth (mother is Luciana Goldberg), is cited as a source of anything illuminating, you know the BS is about to fly copiously and thick.

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May 23rd, 2012
8:03 pm

josef:

……………… :o

But ………. it’s coming. I just hope I’m not here.

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May 23rd, 2012
8:03 pm

JamVet:

What ever happened to that “forced busing” thingie ??

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
8:05 pm

Common Sense @6:22 pm

Sorry it took me son long to get back to you but I was in transit.

America is not the Federal Gov’t? Well I beg to differ with your assessment. There would be no United States of America without the Federal Gov’t which is the centralized management of this great nation. The Civil War more than anything proves that although
the Southern section wanted to breaks away the United States Government brought it back together. The Constitution, the Declaration of Independence are Federal Documents. The Founding Fathers and everyone serving since were and are Federal Employees. The Expansion to the west, the hwy system, Mount Rushmore were all federal projects. Arlington and all the other national cemeteries are sacred Federal land. The Veterans and active duty service members are federally pensioned or paid. NASA, the CDC, FEMA, and other programs like them advance, protect and relieve our citizenry. I could go on and on but I hope you get my point.

By the way the only ignorance I see are those who don’t appreciate what the Federal Government has done for all of us.

. .

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
8:07 pm

Has Romney commented on this yet?

Headline: CALCIUM PILLS CAN ‘DOUBLE RISK OF HEART ATTACKS’…

ragnar danneskjold

May 23rd, 2012
8:08 pm

I think it fair to acknowledge that Republicans are, and always have been, race neutral; to the extent that there was republican opposition to the so-called “civil rights act” was principled, not based on any racial animus; note the difference between Republicans who opposed the civil rights act of 1964 and the Democrats who voted similarly. Democrats before 1960 were champions of “Jim Crow” laws that favored white people over others, and since 1964 Democrats are champions of racial preference laws that benefit non-white people over others – anything but “race-neutral.” Thus the politics of pandering.

Unlike Republicans, Democrats have no animating political philosophy (recall the Will Rogers line, “I’m not a member of any organized political party, I am a Democrat.”) Rather every policy-preference is ad hoc, and usually with a crassly political calculus behind it. The right question is “why do democrats think government should compel political thought that adheres to the preferences of the leftists?” That analysis will also explain the Democrats’s strange affection for redefinition of marriage to embrace homosexual preferences and the continuing effort to compel Catholic charities to provide abortion-facients to their workers. The free market actually performs all of those functions – racial equality, civil unions, birth control – better without government “help.”

Pizzaman

May 23rd, 2012
8:09 pm

Well said Jay. I haven’t read any of the comments here because I know what they say. I have long said that the “Redneck Republicans” of today are the “Yellow Dog Democrats” of old with the same racial biases. Don’t believe it Folks? Then explain why that revered Senator Mitch McConnell has spent every day since the election trying to make the President a one term President. Just another Yellow Dog Dem dressed up as a Redneck Repub. Of course, like I said earlier, the facts just clog up their pea brains. History means nothing to them.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
8:14 pm

Has Romney commented on this yet?

Illegals smuggled into country in ‘UPS’ van…

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
8:15 pm

That Black Guy @6:58 pm
PJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:44 pm
Thulsa Doom @5:32 pm

Thulsa asked why someone would’t vote Republican. When I want to know why you do I will ask you otherwise I don’t care what you think especially when you play tag-a-long with your answer.

Silly Rabbit, tricks are for kid.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
8:18 pm

Has Romney commented on this yet?

Headline: Man divorces over wife’s 550 house cats…

St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones

May 23rd, 2012
8:18 pm

“The only thing that will not be tolerated is Intolerance”

-sign outside Castaways on de island mon -

most conservatives are not racist; we need to acknowledge that.

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
8:20 pm

What ever happened to that “segregation” thingie ??

Minority Conservative

May 23rd, 2012
8:21 pm

Bookman- When you and your race baiting are gone I will resubscribe to the AJC.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 23rd, 2012
8:23 pm

Well, I don’t like to brag, but it was this Conservative Republican that helped launch Equal Rights. You all know I was the one that started using “Those People,” instead of the N-word, when people were writing about the Black folks. I decided the only time to use the N-word was with family or close friends. That’s the kind of thing that you won’t see much about right now but it will be in the history books 100 years from now. I just hope they spell my name right. Because I won’t be around to read about my brave act.

No need to thank me. Besides, if I hadn’t of done it, I would of been banned from all the Politically Correct blogs.

And to think—if it hadn’t of been for this Civil Rights stuff, I would of been voting Democrat right now. See, I’m one of them Yellow Dog Democrats that turned into a Republican. Like old Zell said, I never left the Democrats, the Democrats left me.

Have a good night everybody.

Oscar

May 23rd, 2012
8:24 pm

To someone like me who can remember the fifties and sixties this is all pretty much old news. Amazing to me how history gets distorted and mististed by people to meet their own agendas.

The thing to me is to remember to separate the northern and southern democrats of the forties, fifties and sixties. They can’t be talked about as if they were one group. They were not.

But, nothern and national democrats were happy to leave the south and segregation alone and accpet the votes until Kennedy and johnson came along in 1960 and Kennedy followed by Johnson changed all that.

Johson pushed throught civil rights legislation with Republician and some northern democrat support.

Then the politiical world of the sough changed when Nixon develped the southern stragedy – code word for anti-civil rights.

josef

May 23rd, 2012
8:26 pm

St Simon’s

Will do…

PJ

“I see are those who don’t appreciate what the Federal Government has done for all of us”

Hell, yeah! What’s a little rape and pillage and burning to the ground, Removals of entire Nations, snatch a little territory from the next door neighbors, a little blood genocide,a little Jim Crow, some of that good ole imperialism, a few colonial adventures here and there, intervention in the internal affairs of those we don’t cotton to…

And, no, I am not blind to the good things we’ve been able to do as a nation of people, but it’s often in spite of and not because of the Federal Government overstepping its purpose…

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
8:29 pm

Wow, that 8:21 is one that I’ve never seen before.

A strange corollary of the oft-used, but now out of favor, “because of (fill in the blank), I’m cancelling my subscription!

Oscar

May 23rd, 2012
8:29 pm

And, southern democrats were in favor of segration, but they were not conservative. They were FDR new dealers who liked and supported the social programs of the new deal. They saw what the government in the thirties had done for the south. That is a liberal philosophy. Govt used to improve the economy.
Republicians were the conservatives then and now. Supporting big business and small governemnt. That has not changed.

TaxPayer

May 23rd, 2012
8:30 pm

josef

May 23rd, 2012
8:30 pm

K’chak

I caught that UPS thingie…now, that’s ingenuity!

josef

May 23rd, 2012
8:33 pm

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
8:33 pm

More non-revised history for the conservatives here:

…completely ignores the explicit revolt by conservative Southerners against the northern liberal civil rights wing, beginning with Strom Thurmond, who formed a third-party campaign in 1948 in protest against Harry Truman’s support for civil rights.

Thurmond received 49 percent of the vote in Louisiana, 72 percent in South Carolina, 80 percent in Alabama, and 87 percent in Mississippi. He later, of course, switched to the Republican Party.

josef

May 23rd, 2012
8:36 pm

The GOP sold its soul to business and commercial interests during the Late Unpleasantness and has operated in their behalf without break from then until now…

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
8:37 pm

I think it fair to acknowledge that Republicans are, and always have been, race neutral; to the extent that there was republican opposition to the so-called “civil rights act” was principled, not based on any racial animus;

I hate to pick on posters here, but if there is any one post here that deserves a “pants on fire” rating, it’s that crap right there.

5 pages in and not one person here has posted any historical facts to refute what Jay posted. All I’ve read is emotional based arguments. Facts matter, and what Jay wrote is pretty damned factual. I am willing to bet that there are very few Republicans here who know what the Lily White Movement is/was.

Sure, history is ripe with stories about how the Democrats started the KKK and such. History does not explain that the original KKK, as founded by Nathanial Bedford Forrest, was something like the modern-day VFW. It was an organization for ex-Confederate soldiers. When some got the idea to harass Blacks, Forrest disbanded the group. The modern-day version of the KKK was the one born atop Stone Mountain, and that group does not have any resemblance to it’s original intent.

History also covers up the campaign of the conservative elements of the Republican Party to rid itself of Blacks. History shows that Blacks elected after the Civil War were Republicans. What they don’t tell you is that not long after Reconstruction ended, so did the welcome for Blacks in the Southern GOP.

I find it sad that people champion a party, either party, and don’t know the full history of the stuff they’re backing. Y’all need to get off the internet downloading porn and go study your history for once. The only way you’ll find out where to go is to know where you’ve come from.

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They BOTH

I’d call this one the “Lead Zeppelin”. :)

josef

May 23rd, 2012
8:39 pm

BROSEPHUS

The Imam is in…you gonna get a fatwah! :-)

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
8:40 pm

josef @8:26 pm

It’s not that I don’t see your point, but my remarks are for thoses who want to disparage the gov’t only when their party is out of power or things are not going their way, who are otherwise they are waving the flag with their hand over their heart. My stance of America love her or leave her is for the part time patriot.

weetamoe

May 23rd, 2012
8:41 pm

Well it was the brothers Kennedy who ordered J Edgar to spy on Dr King. The Kennedy’s were quite at home in good old southie (is my home town, as they sang) but political expediency causes swift evolution. Ike sent the national guard to over rule old Orval Faubus in Arkansas. LBJ carried out JFK’s legacy–much better then Bobby would have. Poor Cory Booker has that feets don’t fail me now stare on his mea culpa video. I wager that many conservatives would support a brilliant young law professor like Yale’s Stephen Carter. Also Harold Ford Jr., Adrian Felty (thrown under bus), Booker, once he gets his nerve back, and countless other young African Americans.

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
8:41 pm

I’d like to be a racist but i’m just too stupid. I just can’t remember who I’m supposed to hate and why………

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
8:41 pm

josef

I’m sick and damn tired of this sugarcoating history crap. Somebody needs to put it all out there in black and white in 100% factual form. You think I’m gonna teach the ABD this revisionistic crap???

josef

May 23rd, 2012
8:43 pm

BROSEPHUS

Since you’re here…did you happen to catch Gates shaking Wanda Sykes tree? It was truly a fascinating glimpse into the past…she’s descended from Free People of Color dating back to 1683! She was doing the pride tripping when he brought in the documents that they were also slave-holders…oops!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
8:43 pm

There’s porn on the interwebs?

Why haven’t I been told about this before?

josef

May 23rd, 2012
8:43 pm

BROSEPHUS

Since you’re here…did you happen to catch Gates shaking Wanda Sykes tree? It was truly a fascinating glimpse into the past…she’s descended from Free People of Color dating back to 1683! She was doing the pride tripping when he brought in the documents that they were also slave-holders…oops!

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
8:45 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily-White_Movement

The Lily-White Movement was an anti-civil-rights movement within the Republican Party in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The movement was a response to the political and socioeconomic gains made by African-Americans following the Civil War and the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which eliminated slavery. Black leaders gained increasing influence in the party by organizing blacks as an important voting bloc. Conservative white groups attempted to eliminate this influence and recover white voters who had defected to the Democratic Party.

Then you have this….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat

The States’ Rights Democratic Party (usually called the Dixiecrats) was a short-lived segregationist political party in the United States in 1948. It originated as a breakaway faction of the Democratic Party in 1948, determined to protect what they portrayed as the southern way of life beset by an oppressive federal government,[1] and supporters assumed control of the state Democratic parties in part or in full in several Southern states. The States’ Rights Democratic Party opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim Crow laws and white supremacy in the face of possible federal intervention. Members were called Dixiecrats. (The term Dixiecrat is a portmanteau of Dixie, referring to the Southern United States, and Democrat.)

The party did not run local or state candidates, and after the 1948 election its leaders generally returned to the Democratic Party.[2] The Dixiecrats had little short-run impact on politics. However, they did have a long-term impact. The Dixiecrats began the weakening of the “Solid South” (the Democratic Party’s total control of presidential elections in the South).

For those who are melanin enhanced and know the truth, they realize that neither party really gives a rats ass about us beyond what we do at the polls. Once we cast that vote, we don’t exist.

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
8:46 pm

josef

I missed out on that one. Gates can be an ok guy at times. When he’s in his element like that, he’s the man.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
8:46 pm

“today mine at home is Diabulus ex Macchina… :-)

Just got back from dinner and margaritas

that is funny

josef

May 23rd, 2012
8:47 pm

PJ

Agreed…it’s my country, my home, my family and I have to love her, warts and all…

BROSEPHUS

Well, as you know, teaching our children history as opposed to propaganda (Y-shariah :-) ) is not easy, but what a trip! Once they realize just how many lies and distortions they are being taught, you don’t have to hear that “history is boring!”

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
8:47 pm

For those who are melanin enhanced and know the truth, they realize that neither party really gives a rats ass about us beyond what we do at the polls. Once we cast that vote, we don’t exist.

Bootstrap your ass up.

St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones

May 23rd, 2012
8:48 pm

that amnesia machine created at Area 51 and tested over
the am radio band not only erased the years 2001-2008, it
apparently erased the ’60s Re-Alignment too…

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May 23rd, 2012
8:48 pm

JamVet:

“What ever happened to that “segregation” thingie ??”

It went away thankgoodness.

Now ……… what ever happened to that “forced busing” thingie ??

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
8:49 pm

For those who are still skeptical of the GOP, here’s a list of important people within that movement I listed above…

Herbert Hoover, Republican President between 1929 and 1933, who made campaign promises and alliances with black leaders, and subsequently broke those promises leading to a large-scale exodus of blacks from the party.

William Howard Taft, Republican President between 1909 and 1913, who sought to expand Republican appeal in the South by eliminating black involvement.[

When the president himself is seeking to remove people from the party, it’s kinda hard to say no isn’t it???

josef

May 23rd, 2012
8:50 pm

BROSEPHUS

Well, we know YOU’UNS don’t exactly trust his motives… :-)

But, you’re right…when he’s in his element, he’s really got a lot to say about real history…

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
8:50 pm

“that there was republican opposition to the so-called “civil rights act” was principled,”

Biggest BS post of the day……………. You want to double down or retract?

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
8:51 pm

Fred

To hell with bootstraps, I wear New Balances. They’re the preferred footwear for training our military because of their performance, and they are the only major athletic shoe that’s still manufactured in the USA. I’m not buying no cheap assed Chinese boots so that the straps break on me. :)

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
8:54 pm

Rags

Quick follow up…….

Intelligent man like yourself fully understands that being “principled” in itself does NOT make you right on the issues..

But do carry on……… your veil is not has deceptive as you have fooled yourself that it is

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
8:56 pm

Bro

I missed your 8:37 when I posted my reply to Rags………..

You are on the money

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
8:57 pm

LOl brocephus. I only recently found out about New Balance being the only US made tennie shoes. The others are TRYING to get rid of an import tax that will bury New Balance once and for all if it’s eliminated. I wear New Balance because I have Fred Flintstone feet, as wide as they are long, and New Balance is the only company that makes shoes for folks like me.

F chinese footwear.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
8:58 pm

Bro

Not sure if you saw my post early on when Jay 1st put up this article. Thought of you soon as I read it………..

St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones

May 23rd, 2012
8:59 pm

Enter your comments here

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
8:59 pm

TBS; You actually READ what Rags has to say? Why? That SOB is for slave labor, forced child labor and any other 16th century business practice that comes to mind. He’s a complete……….

Well never mind…….

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
8:59 pm

Gotta lighten up the mood a bit. If you need a good laugh, here’s a practical joke for the ages. I may have to try to pull this one myself….

http://www.wimp.com/disappearingprank/

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May 23rd, 2012
9:00 pm

Well, isn’t this just lovely !

“On orders from Barack Obama’s Department of Justice, officials with the University of Arkansas at Fort Smith have given permission for a 38-year-old man to use the women’s restrooms on campus.

The report comes from Campus Reform.org, which explained that the individual also is seeking to have someone pay for a sex reassignment surgery to change from male to female.”

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
9:04 pm

Wow Scout really? Can you twist the facts even MORE? I mean just damn. So you think that President Barack Obama himself gave the order? Are you really that stupid?

Oscar

May 23rd, 2012
9:04 pm

ed ™

May 23rd, 2012
8:57 pm
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Agree with you and Bro on New Balance. They are the only shoes I can get that are wide enough for my feet.

Didn’t know they were made in US. Think I will go out and buy myself a new pair tomorrow.

josef

May 23rd, 2012
9:05 pm

BROSEPHUS
@ 8:59
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
9:07 pm

I see it now:

Mr President, we have an EMERGENCY.

What is it George?

Why Mr. President, there’s this guy in Arkansas that wants to use the ladies rest rooms. He says he will lift the lids and not pee on the seats.

Why George, thatnk you for bringing this matter of international importance to my attention. By all means let him drop trow in the ladies room. Hell, tell him if it’s a dire need he doesn’t even have to lift the lid.

Thanks Scout for this wonderful gem you asshat.

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May 23rd, 2012
9:08 pm

Freddy :

Now, now ………. calm down. No sense in calling names.

The article says Holder gave the order. Didn’t you read that?

However, under your logic, Obama did not give the order to get old Bin Laden ……… some general did.

Now that said, are you for or against what Holder did ?

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May 23rd, 2012
9:08 pm

Someone give Fred a pill.

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
9:09 pm

Fred

I found out about NB years ago while talking to a LtC from the Army. Once I started paying close attention to where shoes were actually manufactured, that sealed my choice. I’ve always liked Nike running shoes, but I haven’t bought a pair in years. I have some old ones that I still use for running, but my training shoes all have that “N” on the side.

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They BOTH

Yeah, I read it. I’m a big fan of history, so I’m always searching for the motivations behind different things. I was always curious as a teen why I didn’t know any Black Republicans. When you learn that your ancestors were freed by a Republican administration and first held office as Republicans, it’s something to ponder why that’s no longer the case. Mind you, I’m still digging and probably won’t be done for a long time. I want to be able to give my child(ren), if I have more, a complete understanding and knowledge base of her history in this country. My folks didn’t come from Europe, so European history is not something that really interests me. Eventually, I may go back and study African history as well. Right now, I want to know everything AND the reason why people are scared to tell the unmitigated truth about the past.

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
9:10 pm

However, under your logic, Obama did not give the order to get old Bin Laden ……… some general did.

Really Scout? So you are saying that Obama was all curled up in the situation room with the video running when this guy got his first legal piss in the ladies room? Really lol? Just damn……..

Oh and as to reading the article? You didn’t link an article and I can’t think of much that I would be less inclined to go search for than this asshattery of a “story” you allude to……..

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
9:11 pm

Fred

Rags opinions and ideology is a slight wrapped imo, but he is not a dumb guy………..

It is actually funny to read how he opines and thinks his linguistics somehow makes him smarter than others……..

He is big on opining, but in most cases very slow to produce non biased evidence

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
9:12 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
9:08 pm

Someone give Fred a pill.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yes please. A pill that insulates me from the blatant stupid that runs rampant here……..

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
9:12 pm

Oscar

I try, whenever possible, to buy American. Right now, our workers need it more than ever.

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
9:17 pm

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
9:18 pm

Fred

You know Omega 3’s protect against dumbing down. Here’s a supply of Omega 3’s that should help you out…

http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsroom/ASnews/images/salmon_3_salmon800.jpg

It will be available sometime this fall. I’ll check with somebody from Alaska Airlines to see if they can fly it down for you. :)

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
9:18 pm

Bro @ 9:09

Thanks for the reply….. My dad’s father is English and Irish. He came NYC in the in 1918 as a teen (no family with him), but quickly moved to up state NY.

Mom is from Panama. Her grandmother was from Columbia. My great grandmother’s mother was born a slave in Columbia.

Knowledge as you know is power…….. Always seek knowledge and the truth as I can tell you do

Oscar

May 23rd, 2012
9:18 pm

Might want to do some research on google about the legal requirements or lack thereof regarding use of men of women’t restrooms and visa versa.
Last time I checked it is not illegal in Georgia for a person to use a restroom marked for the other sex. It conventional, but not a violation of the law in most states.

Recon 0311 2533

May 23rd, 2012
9:20 pm

Brosephus, the civil war ended a long time ago as did slavery. Segregation ceased in our lifetime now it’s behind us and justly so. We’ve initiated affirmative action programs and in 08 we elected a man of color as president. Now we’re in the 21st. century dealing with issues of our time. I don’t think most people do much less should consider history when deciding who to vote for.

josef

May 23rd, 2012
9:25 pm

BOTH

“My great grandmother’s mother was born a slave in Columbia.”

Now wait a minute, you know good and d*mned well the only place slavery ever existed was in the Confederate States of America…were you asleep during history class…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
9:27 pm

josef:

He meant South America ………………… :o

You know ……. where those Secret Service Agents got in trouble …………… :o

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
9:27 pm

OH NOES!!!!!!!!!!!! Del is on. That means (I learned yesterday) I have to go run and hide. but before I do Del this one is for you. Enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJbtFAmXPkY&list=PL34747F023F11372B&index=21&feature=plpp_video

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
9:28 pm

Headline: “Secret Service Issues New Regulations”

“The Secret Service has issued new rules of conduct for agents. They can no longer get drunk, procure hookers, have affairs or go to strip bars. The rules say that from now on, if agents feel compelled to engage in such behavior, they can run for public office like everyone else.”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
9:29 pm

Has Romney commented on this yet?

Headline: Man breaks into Kansas TV station, stabs 2 workers…

Soothsayer

May 23rd, 2012
9:30 pm

Recon 0311 2533

May 23rd, 2012
9:31 pm

Good one Fred.

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
9:31 pm

Recon

People who don’t know their history are doomed to repeat it. Humans are different from most every other life on this planet because of our ability to shape our futures by learning from our pasts. You’re correct in saying those things ended a long time ago, but you can’t prove that the mentality died with it. If we can’t learn to defeat that mentality here at home, how do we expect to defeat the Al Qaida mentality abroad?

Simply focusing on one thing causes you to miss the opportunity to positively affect many other things around you. We can’t change our past history, and it saddens me that we can’t even teach it correctly as it really happened so that we can truly bury it once and for all.

You may not think you consider history when voting for someone, but how many times have you voted or not voted for someone because of their past performance? It goes above and beyond the racial aspect of things.

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
9:31 pm

OK One for both Del AND Scout. No one else can watch this……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wyjHt4ZA0Q&feature=related

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
9:32 pm

Has Romney commented on this yet”

Headline: Man, 101, killed by car driven by woman, 91…

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
9:33 pm

josef

Thats is the facts……………..

Real Civil Rights Changers

May 23rd, 2012
9:37 pm

Freedom Riders 1961..someone had to challenge the racist hearts of the South. This movie will open your eyes to the hatred that was going on just 50 years ago.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/freedomriders/

Recon 0311 2533

May 23rd, 2012
9:39 pm

Fred, the BAM was semi cute.

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 23rd, 2012
9:41 pm

Right, Recon. :(

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
9:42 pm

Crap. Sorry. That last one was REALLY stupid. Please forgive me. I didn’t watch before I posted. I just ASSUMED that it would be almost as funny as this one of Ackmed the Terrorist which got like almost a BILLION views………. note: This one is ten minutes and now I’m REALLY going to bed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go&list=PL34747F023F11372B&index=24&feature=plpp_video

Red

May 23rd, 2012
9:43 pm

<<accepting donations to go to Hawaii and investigate the President.

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
9:44 pm

Sooth; That was funny. Dave isn’t what he used to be, but every now and again he gets a funny in.

Dems_R_Idiots

May 23rd, 2012
9:45 pm

George Wallace = Democrat. Enough said!

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
9:46 pm

Real Civil Rights Changers : Someone else posted that before. good stuff. I didn’t save it before but I snatched it this time and saved it on one of my Youtube playlsits. Thanks.

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
9:47 pm

Well Real Civil Rights Changers, no I didn’t. i thought it was also on Youtube. It’s not.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
9:47 pm

George Wallace = Democrat. Enough said!

Southern Strategy equals Republicans………. enough said

you want to play broad brush?

Dems_R_Idiots

May 23rd, 2012
9:47 pm

Obama made fun of Jay by calling out residents of PA “clinging to their guns & Bibles”. If a white republican said garbage like this, pansy libs like Jay would have been all over that.

Dems_R_Idiots

May 23rd, 2012
9:48 pm

Southern Strategy equals Republicans………. enough said.

Tell it to all the northerners moving here clown.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
9:50 pm

Kammie:

I am so glad (seriously) I got you started on those headlines. It keeps you busy !!!

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
9:50 pm

DEMS

STFU

You dont even know what it is?
As far as “pansies”……. Welcome to yourself

Real Civil Rights Changers

May 23rd, 2012
9:51 pm

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
9:46 pm

Yes it is on PBS. I have watched this movie several times and it always seems to amaze me how people were separated by race when using public facilities!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
9:52 pm

Kammie :

P.S.

…………. and I will continue to post them when it involves black on white crime just to keep the playing field level with El Jeffe !

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
9:55 pm

Scout

Post all you like…………. Good for everybody. Id say you and I agree on little, but do what you think is best

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
9:56 pm

Scout

On the other hand, we may agree on more than we know, but since we are on a political blog it can get bleary and hard to tell at times

barking frog

May 23rd, 2012
9:59 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801,
Recon
The Marines called, You
can unscrew your hats
now. Tell USMC if you see
him.

Dr. H.

May 23rd, 2012
9:59 pm

It is funny that James J. Kilpatrick’s question still has the same answer more than 45+ years later, particularly if you look at the contributions on a population-adjusted basis. Care to respond to that, Bookie?

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
10:03 pm

Dems_R_Idiots AND George Wallace – both arch-conservative bigots.

Nuff said.

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
10:04 pm

“and I will continue to post them when it involves black on white crime just to keep the playing field level with El Jeffe I have had these same racial demons for fifty years !”

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
10:06 pm

Jamvet

Guess it is the Christian thing to do……………… Who knows?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
10:10 pm

they BOTH suck:

I hear you.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
10:12 pm

JamVet:

“I have had these same racial demons for fifty years !”

Except for the black friends I shared fighting holes with, sweat with, pulled leeches off with, drank out of the same canteen with (we often had to share what little water was left for the day), bled with and was willing to die with ………… or for.

You left that part out.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
10:14 pm

Scout

Outside of religious issues, which I mentioned I will forgo with you, I do enjoy dialogue with you.

Even though we disagree a great deal on politics, it is very evident that you are an intelligent guy with a lot of experience to draw from. Politics and religion (no offense I do know it means a lot to you as an individual) are only two variables of so many that make up who we are………..

have a great night

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
10:14 pm

BOTH, well countless members in southern Baptist and other conservative churches, as Jay correctly noted, were very heavily involved in the Klan and other racist organizations.

Again, it cannot be overstated, the conservative elements can accept ZERO credit for helping blacks, and for that matter, women and other racial/ethnic minorities, gain any semblance of equality in this nation.

From those nosy Jewish northerners, who were murdered in Mississippi, to those first 13 riders – black and white – on those Freedom Rides, to other courageous men and women, they were virtually ALL LIBERALS.

THERE WERE NO CONSERVATIVES WHO FOUGHT AND DIED FOR CIVIL RIGHTS.

Selah.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
10:22 pm

Well, well, well ………….. just like slavery “the times they are a changin’ ”

” ‘Pro-choice’ Americans at record low”

“A new poll finds those who approve of legalized abortion has hit an all-time low of 41 percent.”

Yawn

May 23rd, 2012
10:23 pm

YOUR ALL STUPID IDIOTS!!!!!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
10:23 pm

they BOTH suck:

Thank you ……….. catch you tomorrow.

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
10:24 pm

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
8:15 pm

That Black Guy @6:58 pm
PJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:44 pm
Thulsa Doom @5:32 pm

Thulsa asked why someone would’t vote Republican. When I want to know why you do I will ask you otherwise I don’t care what you think especially when you play tag-a-long with your answer. — When you set the rules then you can determine who can and who can not answer a question on this blog. Get over yourself.

Silly Rabbit, tricks are for kid. — So is partisan politics, kid.

What does “PJ” stand for?

Partisan juvenile

or

Politically Jaundiced

barking frog

May 23rd, 2012
10:24 pm

Yawn
You are redundant

Don Abernethy

May 23rd, 2012
10:32 pm

The subject of race and civil rights is always brought up by liberals and Democrats when they want to distract voters from the real issue namely the economy. They know this is the issue that will defeat them because of their poor record on the subject. Most voters are no longer impressed or intimidated when the race card is played. The way our country is going it may be the Whites who will play the race card in the future.

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
10:33 pm

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
8:41 pm

I’d like to be a racist but i’m just too stupid. I just can’t remember who I’m supposed to hate and why………
_____________________________________________________________________
Fred, you are supposed to hate those who don’t agree with you politically. But it’s ok if they are “those people” because they don’t know their place.

Kimono

May 23rd, 2012
10:44 pm

I love when the racist and bigots aka conservatives Say they were for civil rights and the democratic party had strom Thurman Jess helms and other Dixie crats You can’t go by the party u have too go by conservative and progressive Conservatives thru us history have been and still are racist and bigots against civil rights for all groups except one. Evangelical white Christians

jconservative

May 23rd, 2012
10:47 pm

Lets drop the term “civil rights” and adopt the term “constitutional rights”.

getalife

May 23rd, 2012
10:49 pm

White powder!

barking frog

May 23rd, 2012
10:55 pm

getalife
penicillin ?

Kimono

May 23rd, 2012
10:56 pm

Too. (They both suck ) George Wallace was a Dixie crat a conservative Not a progressive He was an evangelical christian Just like u ( They both suck). This group has always been scared the black. Brown people or now gay people are taking over his country. So please just admit u are a racist and bigot Ur not foolin anybody

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
11:04 pm

Thanks Scout for this wonderful gem you asshat.
_________________________________________

Becky, THAT’S Fred calling someone a name. :lol:

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
11:15 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 23rd, 2012
10:12 pm

JamVet:

“I have had these same racial demons for fifty years !”

Except for the black friends I shared fighting holes with, sweat with, pulled leeches off with, drank out of the same canteen with (we often had to share what little water was left for the day), bled with and was willing to die with ………… or for.

You left that part out.
______________________________________________________________

It’s so much easier to “spit” on vets rather than understand them.

Jm

May 23rd, 2012
11:17 pm

I guess Cheney is a liberal then

Would also explain that “deficits don’t matter” line too :)

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 23rd, 2012
11:48 pm

Oh, it is too obvious here that we all just can’t get along. This hurts my heart. I had SO hoped that things would be better in this millennium. Well, at least we are talking about the things which divide us. So maybe that’s progress?

That Black Guy

May 23rd, 2012
11:53 pm

Jm

May 24th, 2012
12:00 am

Hilarious and spot on. Reasonable minded people have had it with liberal BS. Obama will lose because of nonsense perpetrated by the extreme liberals.

To Whom It May Concern:

Erskine Bowles and I thoroughly enjoyed our time on the West Coast and received an excellent reception from folks — at least those who are using their heads and have given up using emotion, fear, guilt or racism to juice up their troops. Your little flyer entitled “Bowles! Simpson! Stop using the deficit as a phony excuse to gut our Social Security!” is one of the phoniest excuses for a “flyer” I have ever seen. You use the faces of young people, who are the ones who are going to get gutted while you continue to push out your blather and drivel. My suggestion to you — an honest one — read the damn report. The Moment of Truth — 67 pages, and then tell me if we’re not doing the right thing with Social Security. What a wretched group of seniors you must be to use the faces of the very people that we are trying to save, while the “greedy geezers” like you use them as a tool and a front for your nefarious bunch of crap. You must feel some sense of shame for shoveling out this bulls**t. Read the latest news from the Social Security Trustees. The Social Security System will now “hit the skids” in 2033 instead of 2036. If you can’t understand all of this you need a pane of glass in your naval so you can see out during the day! Read the report. Get back to me. My address is below.

If you don’t read the report, — as Ebenezer Scrooge said in the Christmas Carol, “Haunt me no longer!”

Best regards,

Alan Simpson

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 24th, 2012
12:00 am

That Black Guy :

Thank you sir.

Jm

May 24th, 2012
12:20 am

New poll

Romney about 10 points ahead in FL

Uh oh

Jm

May 24th, 2012
12:21 am

One last:
I wonder why this debt ceiling debate is coming up again?

I mean, mr conservative spending Obama didn’t have anything to do with it obviously…..

Oscar

May 24th, 2012
12:32 am

Six points in Florida. Not ten. More like about five.

davetv

May 24th, 2012
2:35 am

I believe that the majority of the people in this country judge a person by their character. It’s too bad that our first black president didn’t have the necessary character to fill all his promises. I believe he was put into the position simply because he was black and we felt that would prove we had put all this racial animosity behind us. No reasonable person can honestly say that he had the qualifications or experience necessary for the office. He has set himself up to fail by taking on a job that is beyond him. He’s failed because he does not have the knowledge of or the belief in the way regular people succeed in life.

He was taught by everyone in his life that free markets are bad, personal responsibility is bad, profits are bad and that the rich/white people are out to destroy him and his people. All one has to do is read his own book to understand this. He was given an easy ride through school. He didn’t have to have good grades to get into college. He didn’t have to work to pay for his education. He slipped through politics in Illinois and right into the white house. He receive special privilege not because he comes from a rich family, not because he succeeded in business or because he was a great leader of men. He’s gotten where he is because the timing and the mood was right to put a black man into the office.

He was doomed to fail. Anyone with a shred of rational thought has to see that is true. His ideas & plans & dreams to fundamentally change America never had a chance to work. You simply can’t continue to steal from the taxpayer to pay your cronies indefinitely. You can’t continue to regulate businesses into the ground without it coming back to bite you. You can’t continue to trample the liberties of the American People without us standing up and saying “Hell, No!”. You can’t continue promoting a wedge of hatred between party, race, sex, religion and income brackets. We, as a whole, are better than that and we know it.

He absolutely inherited an economy in terrible condition. If the economy wasn’t in bad shape, people would not have been so susceptible to hope and change. However, since the economy was bad- his concepts of borrow and spend and spend were detrimental to both the country and his presidency.

He was doomed from the beginning. His idea of total federal control have not worked here. They will never work. He will be voted out of office in November because the majority of the people understand that another four years of his leadership will ruin us. Will it be excepted that he was simply not what we need in a President or will race be brought up as the reason? A majority voted him into office because he is black. A majority will vote him out of office because he’s been measured and found lacking.

craps

May 24th, 2012
4:32 am

regardless of your politics, Jm……….. you are a RICHARD

big #ss baby……… all you do is cry

Jack

May 24th, 2012
5:45 am

Civil rights are available to anybody that doesn’t think the world turns around them. Act and present yourself as someone who is willing to become educated and willing to work without receiving special privileges; then it matters not what politicians or opinion writers think.

Misty Fyed

May 24th, 2012
6:01 am

Hmmm, such little credit given to the key movers of civil rights such as Lincoln. To read this article, they were only Republican by mistake.

Again, Jay’s selective story telling obscures truth…(such a good democrat). I particularly like the classification of republicans who supported civil rights as “liberal” republicans. Really….Nobody would ever classify my family as liberal….but they always supported it. Jay does a good job of diverting the attention away from the fact the democrats are not the movers of civil rights but….with no evidence whatsoever, attributes civil rights to liberals; a reference used to describe democrats.

We see this same journalistic excellence in the blaming of everything bad on Bush and giving credit for anything good to Obama.

Mary Grabar

May 24th, 2012
6:16 am

Why don’t you READ Barry Goldwater’s speech on the 1964 Civil Rights bill before you make your false claim about his defense of segregation? Goldwater, like other Republicans, voted for the 1957 and 1960 Civil Rights acts. Lyndon Johnson and other Democrats got on board solely because they needed black votes. Goldwater’s family business affirmatively hired blacks, and as a senator he hired blacks. Goldwater worked to integrate schools, was a member of the NAACP, and I could go on. Obviously, Jay is either ignorant or lying. In any case, he has no business writing in a newspaper. Readers should go to the history books and ignore this newspaper.

JamVet

May 24th, 2012
6:18 am

BTW, it is very gratifying that the theme of this article is one I have written about repeatedly on this very forum in the past.

The D vs. R construct is a stupid cover for southern white males to hide behind. As was very obvious yesterday evening and last night. It is when it is framed in terms of conservative vs. liberal, that they and their ideological forebears are fully exposed for who they really were, and in many cases, still are.

And for what they did and are still doing.

And the reality is that given this current awful guise, the hijacked conservative movement/the neocons are never going to attract but a smattering of minorities to their Pup Tent of Intolerance, Negrophobia, Homophobia and Xenophobia.

Which is exactly how they want it.

Want proof?

Just watch this upcoming convention in Tampa later this year. Strictly from a racial makeup and strictly in practical terms, it’s going to look like every other Republican National Convention of the past fifty years – like a Ku Klux Klan gathering; all white, all the time.

And then, as is their Party of Personal Irresponsibility’s wont, they will scratch their collective heads in feigned wonder as they blame the lazy, stupid, mooching black people themselves for not supporting the best friends that black people could ever have…

Wrong Question

May 24th, 2012
6:31 am

The cross-cutting real question for November 2012 is — can you say you and/or your family are better off today then you were four years ago?

Add Romney’s position yesterday regarding education and teacher’s unions and he just earned my vote!!!!!

Bud Wiser

May 24th, 2012
6:35 am


They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:10 pm

“to point out your feckless stupidity,”

You must not have any mirrors in your house?

That all you got, punk?

The ability to answer or counter a post without resorting to an attempted insult just shows your own ignorance, punk.

If that’s all you have, then you have nothing.

I am laughing at your ‘feckless stupidity.’

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

May 24th, 2012
6:39 am

MiltonMan

May 24th, 2012
6:42 am

“Just watch this upcoming convention in Tampa later this year. Strictly from a racial makeup and strictly in practical terms, it’s going to look like every other Republican National Convention of the past fifty years – like a Ku Klux Klan gathering; all white, all the time.”

Alan West, Mark Rubio, Herman Cain, JC Watts, Tim Scott and others say hello. Fuuny that the Blacks label fellow blacks above Uncle Toms when they leave the Democratic fold.

JamVet

May 24th, 2012
6:44 am

Milton, yep.

Five guys out of five thousand.

Sounds about right.

Toodles, duty and evil liberal capitalism call!

Mary Elizabeth

May 24th, 2012
7:04 am

JamVet, 6:18 am

“The D vs. R construct is a stupid cover for southern white males to hide behind. As was very obvious yesterday evening and last night. It is when it is framed in terms of conservative vs. liberal, that they and their ideological forebears are fully exposed for who they really were, and in many cases, still are.

And for what they did and are still doing.”
===========================================================

Very true, JamVet, and well said. I would only add that many Southern white women also continue to think in these ways, although probably not as many as the majority of white Southern men.

Having been born in south Georgia, and having spent 62 of my 69 years in Georgia, I find it very sad that so many have lived out their lives thinking of themselves as labels of who they are instead of searching deeper into how they think as unique individuals. That takes arriving at a higher consciousness. We must at least start to value trying to develop higher consciousness. As I have often said, I have never considered myself to be any label assigned, either from birth chance or any other factor over which I have had no control such as “Southerner,” “Female,” “White,” “Senior Citizen,” “English/German,” as well as labels over which I have had some control such as “New Yorker,” “Episcopalian,” or “Democrat.”

To think in those terms is essentially shallow, and that will limit our thinking and our responses to others. To continue to think of ourselves and others in terms of general categories will only continue to divide humanity. Yes, we are different but we should celebrate the positives of those differences, looking deeper at what those substantive differences are, which spring from our unique cores and not from labels. When we look to the cores of individuals, we become seekers of truth not simply generalities. In truth, the South was wrong in its perceptions of slavery and of civil rights. I believe if more Southerners had followed who they were and how they thought as unique individuals slavery would have ended sooner, perhaps even without war, and civil rights would have been established earlier. Few want to go against their peers. When we can, however, we have matured.

Jm

May 24th, 2012
7:16 am

” Lyndon Johnson and other Democrats got on board solely because they needed black votes.”

Read Robert caro’s biography of Johnson. Democrats actually got on board so they could get northern republican votes in order to put LBJ, the first southerner since the civil war, in the whitehouse.

stands for decibels

May 24th, 2012
7:16 am

I have every confidence that many many conservatives today would strongly repudiate what earlier generations of conservatives espoused.

But by and large they won’t admit that it was conservatives espousing it, and that’s what’s screwed up about this discussion that, to be honest, I barely want to have with conservatives because they’re mostly in deep denial about their past.

Jay

May 24th, 2012
7:18 am

Well, Mary G., maybe you should do some reading of your own.

For a taste of how Goldwater ran his ‘64 campaign here in the South, you might want to see the pamphlet featured in a blog post at http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/05/27/how-rand-pauls-libertarian-streak-ran-afoul-of-history/ .

You might also benefit from reading MLK Jr’s Nobel Prize acceptance speech shortly after the ‘64 election in which Goldwater was defeated:

“The American people revealed great maturity by overwhelmingly rejecting a presidential candidate who had become identified with extremism, racism, and retrogression. The voters of our nation rendered a telling blow to the radical right. They defeated those elements in our society which seek to pit white against Negro and lead the nation down a dangerous Fascist path.”

And as King said in 1967:

“On the urgent issue of civil rights, Senator Goldwater represented a philosophy that was morally indefensible and socially suicidal. While not himself a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulated a philosophy which gave aid and comfort to the racist. His candidacy and philosophy would serve as an umbrella under which extremists of all stripes would stand. In the light of these facts and because of my love for America, I had no alternative but to urge every Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater and his philosophy.”

Sorry for the inconvenient truth.

Jm

May 24th, 2012
7:18 am

(with a layover at the naval observatory of course)

Mary Elizabeth

May 24th, 2012
7:21 am

Having lived in both the South and the North, I think that Moderate Line posted astute observations at 6:09 pm last evening on this issue.

Jay

May 24th, 2012
7:28 am

I should also note that I appreciate the generally adult and responsible way that folks have handled the debate on this topic. While there may be exceptions, even those exceptions are not as bad as I might have feared.

Thanks folks.

Bud Wiser

May 24th, 2012
7:28 am

Cute Bookman, how you back-handedly ‘compliment’ Goldwater (…. While not himself a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulated a philosophy which gave aid and comfort to the racist….), yet you remain stone silent about LBJ and his “morally indefensible” attitude toward blacks, giving them what they want with the civil rights act with the sole purpose of having them “vote democrat for the next 200 years.”

Enslavement to a political party was LBJ’s primary objective, because he knew that if he could have them feed at the democrat govt provided trough, he had them in debt to keep providing like a good nanny state overseer does.

That, btw, is just about as close to a definition of a “plantation liberal” as you were inquiring yesterdau I believe, to find.

That’s being a good little media stooge if ever there was. Good boy, good boy. Reward yourself today with a Varsity dog and onion rings for lunch.

I’m outta here, golf awaits.

Jay

May 24th, 2012
7:30 am

On the other hand, there’s always the Budmeister ….

stands for decibels

May 24th, 2012
7:32 am

“A new poll finds those who approve of legalized abortion has hit an all-time low of 41 percent.”

Utter nonsense, per usual, from Scout.

Here’s the actual polling:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/154838/Pro-Choice-Americans-Record-Low.aspx

Nowhere in there is there any indication that Americans’ attitudes on the legality of abortion have changed at all over the decades.

What we see here is a successful marketing of a pleasant-sounding name (”pro-life”) that is essentially meaningless when it comes to actual public policy:

Gallup’s longest-running measure of abortion views, established in 1975, asks Americans if abortion should be legal in all circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances. Since 2001, at least half of Americans have consistently chosen the middle position, saying abortion should be legal under certain circumstances, and the 52% saying this today is similar to the 50% in May 2011. The 25% currently wanting abortion to be legal in all cases and the 20% in favor of making it illegal in all cases are also similar to last year’s findings.

stands for decibels

May 24th, 2012
7:33 am

On the other hand, there’s always the Budmeister ….

Credit where it’s due–most of the conservatives here seem to find him pretty disgusting, and generally ignore him.

GT

May 24th, 2012
7:43 am

Character, man we have redefined that word. I watch your man Ari Fleischer who is the greatest liar I have ever seen. To think this guy was a former White House Press Secretary for U.S. President George W. Bush explains a lot on what Republicans call character. Fleischer reminds me of these losers, SNL did skeets on, who hung out in bars in the 80s and threw pick up lines at women they had no respect for. When you lie to people you have no respect for them. Lack of respect is the first hole in the dike that will deteriorate the rest of your character.

What I don’t understand is the hogwash of the CNN people and that “keeping them honest”. They sponsor these raving loonies to come on their network and take off like a fire hose with total and premeditated lies and never challenge them. Then they lay out some average defenseless person on the street trying to make it home like that is appealing to anyone. This Anderson Cooper is like the nerdy kid next door telling on his big sister, in a immature nasal toned stammer.

I think the truth is CNN is afraid of Fleischer and Newt. The debate in South Carolina was carried by Newt bullying the CNN commentator. I have never seen a professional news person fold like that and lose complete control of the classroom to a bully. They throw absolute lies out there like red meat and dare you to question them on it, while they suck up the air time with breathless machine gun speeches. By the time they finish no one can even remember the question which helps the lie. I began to wonder if they were asked to tell the biggest lie in the longest sentences they know. If that is character the GOP are loaded for bear. I just got the feeling Obama won’t sit there like a deer in the headlights when his turn comes to question these delusional people. If the press can handle them I just hope they have the good sense to get out of the way. A frighten press is not a good thing to watch and it clogs up real information as they get defensive defending themselves against the bully trying not to lose face they never had in the first place.

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 24th, 2012
7:53 am

JAY,

I weaved thru the posts this morning and coincidentially, I just finished 11/22/63 by S.King…I’m generally not a fan of anything but historical fiction and non-fiction but it was enjoyable read…the representation of the Kennedy/Johnson era is alluring compared to the polarized society of today as represented on this post…..sounds like a good era to live…of course I’d be dead now…which may please several on this forum.

This was a very thoughtful topic.

Rightwing Troll

May 24th, 2012
7:53 am

Be careful Jay, or you’ll get called a punk by Buddy Buttons as well…

Rightwing Troll

May 24th, 2012
7:54 am

Milton, yep.

“Five guys out of five thousand.

Sounds about right.

Toodles, duty and evil liberal capitalism call!”

Yep and all 5 of them will be prominently on display and seated right where the camera pints…

Rightwing Troll

May 24th, 2012
7:56 am

“A frighten press is not a good thing to watch and it clogs up real information as they get defensive defending themselves against the bully trying not to lose face they never had in the first place.”

A biased press is just as bad or worse.

Fred ™

May 24th, 2012
7:57 am

Jay@7:30: I’ve been noticing lately that the early morning dose of stupid at the end of a thread is astonishing. They do their drive by’s of talk show bumper sticker phrases and then call mission accomplished and thankfully leave and leave the new blogs for the adults………… well at least until they sober up.

Fred ™

May 24th, 2012
7:59 am

Gee Miltie, JC Watts got his manhood back and jumped ship from you folks in 2003.

Rightwing Troll

May 24th, 2012
8:00 am

Forgive them Fred, that’s what the thought of racial or gender, or any sort of equality does to them…

They come unhinged.

Jay

May 24th, 2012
8:04 am

Stevie, I suspect it looks that good only in hindsight. Remember that the era from ‘63-’72 was one of the most contentious in US history, with assassinations, riots, demonstrations and a bitterly, angrily divided political scene. In most ways, it was considerably worse than what we experience today.

kayaker 71

May 24th, 2012
8:04 am

We just think differently than you do. I could not possibly live my life as a liberal. It would strongly offend the only soul that I have. Liberals are stuck on the collective, conservatives praise the individual. Conservatives want as few constraints on their liberty as possible, liberals are pleased with the “greater good”. Liberals pander to those that they support in the name of “decency”, while conservatives balk at the “something for nothing” segment that has morphed into a giant government support system. Conservatives are people of laws, liberals govern with “feelings”. If it is for the collective good, liberals jump at it,as long as someone else is paying for it.
But to keep this voter group under wraps you have to fill them with a bunch of nonsensical rhetoric about how much conservatives hate them and want to take away their government support. That is always good for a few votes. If you keep the yoke on a group out there and pander to them, they will support you every time. So, yeah, we are distinctly different.

MiltonMan

May 24th, 2012
8:09 am

“Milton, yep.

“Five guys out of five thousand.

Sounds about right.

Toodles, duty and evil liberal capitalism call!”

Yep and all 5 of them will be prominently on display and seated right where the camera pints…”

…and what part of “and others” do you not understand??? The democratic “War on Women” garbage failed like Roy Barnes running for governor over and over again.

Now you libs are happy that the majority of live births today are to current minority women??? Yes, let’s just skip by the fact that most of theses babies are introduced into a “fatherless” family and celebrate that these infants will be great democrats one day.

stands for decibels

May 24th, 2012
8:15 am

The democratic “War on Women” garbage failed

oh, they held the general election already? I must have missed it.

By the way, I’m calling BS on your claim about a majority of nonwhite babies being born into a fatherless family. Feel free to back it up with actual data; I very much doubt you can.

And if you can’t, well, we all know what motivated you to post something like that, don’t we?

MiltonMan

May 24th, 2012
8:17 am

I will take a Allen West over Hank “Guam is sinking” Johnson or Keith “I do not know how many times my driver license has been suspended and I don’t pay my federal income taxes” Ellison anyday.

kayaker 71

May 24th, 2012
8:18 am

I wonder who those 30 children of that dude named Desmond Hatchett are going to vote for when they grow up.

stands for decibels

May 24th, 2012
8:18 am

Conservatives are people of laws, liberals govern with “feelings”

and I’ll patiently point out that this is nonsense. Conservative stands on any number of public policy issues–I’ll single out gun regulations, the death penalty, voting rights, marriage equality, and especially reproductive rights, but there are plenty more–are based almost solely on emotional tugs and have little or nothing to do with what serves this republic best as a whole.

Fred ™

May 24th, 2012
8:21 am

kayaker 71

May 24th, 2012
8:18 am

I wonder who those 30 children of that dude named Desmond Hatchett are going to vote for when they grow up.
++++++++++++++++++++++

No one. Convicted felons can’t vote. :lol:

MiltonMan

May 24th, 2012
8:23 am

“Gee Miltie, JC Watts got his manhood back and jumped ship from you folks in 2003.”

Gotta love Watts – knocking up a couple of girls in high school while being raised in a Democratic family. Saw the light & turned from the dark ways. Jumped Ship??? Hardly my man. The guy contemplated voting for Obama but instead donated to old man McCain’s campaign – waste of his money in my opinion. The guy is doing pretty well right now & continues to support republlcan canididates.

Jm

May 24th, 2012
8:25 am

My 7:16 should have said ” northern democrat”

Oy

kayaker 71

May 24th, 2012
8:26 am

“We turned the corner”. “The recession is over”. “The economy is improving”. Yeah right. AJC reports today that of over 770,000 homes analyzed in the Atlanta area, 55% were under water. Nation wide, one in three homes are worth less than the mortgage on the home. And the most important stat of all…… Atlanta homes are down in value by a whopping 39%. Yeah, Bozo, we’ve turned the corner alright. Tell us another fairy tale.

Jm

May 24th, 2012
8:33 am

Ok here’s the short story

Civil rights legislation was passed via a deal between northern and southern democrats

Northern d’s would get civil rights legislation

Southern democrats got LBJ on the Kennedy ticket

It’s slightly more complex than that, but not much more

Mick

May 24th, 2012
8:35 am

yaker

You strain all credibility if you try to tie underwater mortgages to obama. You need another foil, try the ownership society for starters…

MiltonMan

May 24th, 2012
8:35 am

“By the way, I’m calling BS on your claim about a majority of nonwhite babies being born into a fatherless family. Feel free to back it up with actual data; I very much doubt you can”

Give me a freaking break stands. Everytime, I produce facts for you clown you throw a temper tandrum: (1) Facts about Roman Catholics being Democratic – you got your panties in a wad; (2) Facts about under-performing schools in GA being mostly in Democratic areas – you argued the AJC link was outdated. You vomit out of the mouth all the time about backing up my information then scamper away like a cockroach when the facts are prodcued. Here is one from Brookings pal – feel free to discredit this one yet again:

http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/1996/08/childrenfamilies-akerlof

Mick

May 24th, 2012
8:38 am

Romney’s education policy is a big dud. Trying to blame education problems on teachers unions is a fools game, one that won’t result in him being president. Pretty idiotic and simple minded, not encouraging…

Mandingo

May 24th, 2012
8:39 am

kayaker 71 you seem to enjoy blaming President Obama for all of Georgia’s problems. You come across as a KKK member that blames the black guy for the demise of the organization. Georgia is governed by men with low morals and misguided value systems. Look in the mirror and you would surely see the cause of the problems in Georgia. Your Johnny Reb Economic theories are comical and sad.

stands for decibels

May 24th, 2012
8:40 am

MM @ 8.35, your study is a) from 1996 and the census data is about 2010, and b) doesn’t appear to address whether or not the family is “fatherless”, as you asserted, but rather unwed, which is not quite the same, now is it.

So my call of BS stands, and I think you’re a splendid example of the bat-crap emotional/crazy that motivates a lot of conservatives on the issue of civil rights.

scamper away like a cockroach when the facts are prodcued

When you “prodcue” any actual facts in support of your assertions, I’ll be there to comment and yeah, even admit if I’m wrong. I do that, you see. But you’ve provided nothing so far.

TaxPayer

May 24th, 2012
8:42 am

From Milton’s 1996 paper,

From the late 1960s to the late 1980s, the number of births per unmarried woman roughly doubled for whites, but fell by 5-10 percent for blacks. The fraction of unmarried women rose about 30 percent for whites, about 40 percent for blacks.

Jm

May 24th, 2012
8:44 am

Milton 8:35 they all do that even with up to date info

It’s a waste of time to present facts to the liberals

Moderates are a different story, but there are few of them here

TaxPayer

May 24th, 2012
8:45 am

Perhaps kayaker’s local economy is suffering as a result of his mortgage being underwater and he needs someone else other than himself to blame for it. After all, Republicans also blame President Obama when the cost of filling their SUV’s goes up.

godless heathen

May 24th, 2012
8:46 am

Quickly skimmed this thread this morning, and just have a few quick comments on the subject. First, many need to consult a dictionary and read the definitions of racism, bigotry, and prejudice. Early on, jewcowboy linked to an article titled, Most Racist Comments Politicos and Conservatives Commentators Made in 2011 (http://www.theroot.com/multimedia/how-do-they-get-away-it. I read this article and can only say if those are the ten most racist comments politicos and conservative commentators made in 2011, they are doing pretty good. To find racism in the majority of those comments took some real stretching. But if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. #1 was Gingrich speaking about lazy, poor children. Where is the racism in that statement? Mr. Gingrich knows full well that most poor children are white.

#8 was Rep. Doug Lamborn saying he didn’t want to get stuck to President Obama’s economic policies, ‘It’s like touching a tar baby….” The Uncle Remus Tar Baby story is a great parable. When did mentioning it become racist? I grew up in the rural south and I have heard every pejorative term that could be possibly used to describe black people, and I never heard anyone use tar baby that way. I have heard it used many times to describe a sticky situation one shouldn’t get involved in.

#3 was Gov. Perry calling Herman Cain, Brother in a debate. (As an aside the blog showed a picture of Romney speaking to Cain to illustrate this one.) So if AmVet calls Brocephus “Brother” on this blog, is he making a racist statement? Condescending maybe, but racist? Refer again to the definition of racism.

Oftentimes bigotry or prejudice is mislabeled as racist. Bigotry or prejudice is a lot more prevalent. I could go through this blog daily and find many examples of bigotry by the enlightened progressives. “cons are racists”, “repugs hate black people” “GOPers are only want to protect the wealthy” etc. Should not be confused with racism.

The fact is, almost noone is immune from the human propensity to feel that the group they belong to is in some way superior to someone else’s group. The most bigoted people I run into are poor white people. They use prejudice to feel superior to members of a group they don’t belong to. Just as limousine liberals do. The groups they disparage are conservatives, southerners, and “rednecks”. But that is good prejudice, I suppose. Certainly acceptable in modern society.

When I was a kid my cousins from out west would visit and they would talk about the disgusting Indians. Seemed odd to me because I kinda thought the poor Indians had gotten a bad deal. And they felt the same way about southern black people. Unfortunately, it seems that everybody gotta hate on somebody.

Anyway, I didn’t want to write a Mary Elizabeth post this morning, just my thoughts on the issue.

stands for decibels

May 24th, 2012
8:46 am

Jm, I will repeat the pulled-out-of-Milton’s-arse assertion for you:

Now you libs are happy that the majority of live births today are to current minority women??? Yes, let’s just skip by the fact that most of theses babies are introduced into a “fatherless” family

This is unsupported, emotion-driven bullsh-t. Any principled conservatives out there — and I know there are some, are you one? do you even try to be one? — ought to repudiate this crap.

Mick

May 24th, 2012
8:47 am

jm

As if you possess the whole of the truth and facts! Your blinders are as dark as any cons…

Brosephus™

May 24th, 2012
8:52 am

16 hours in and no concrete evidence to refute Jay’s essay???

—————————

As to the “fatherless” families, unwed and fatherless are not one and the same.

jj

May 24th, 2012
8:53 am

Good to see that Comrade Bookman has joined the race baiting club. In my 60 years I have often found that those who cry the loudest are generally exactly what they say they are not.

JamVet

May 24th, 2012
8:55 am

“War on Women”

PLEASE.

The more correct name is The GOP’s Full Scale Legislative Assault on Women’s Rights.

Is that better?

Out again, enjoy your exclusive (as in exclusionary) lil club, cons!

Oh, and I really enjoyed that seventh grade analysis at 8:33…

Rightwing Troll

May 24th, 2012
9:01 am

” I have often found that those who cry the loudest are generally exactly what they say they are not.”

Much like a lot of the “christian” wingnuts who live here…

william

May 24th, 2012
9:02 am

For any of you that actually read and enjoy reading: Check out books on Theodore Roosevelt and his administration. Interesting in what Roosevelt, as a Republican, could support and what he did. Lots of opposition in his party. Reads about the same as today. One can suport Bookmans argument of liberals and conservatives in the books about TR.

Rightwing Troll

May 24th, 2012
9:03 am

“You strain all credibility if you try to tie underwater mortgages to obama. ”

especially since 99.9999999% of those were written during the heady days of W’s booming economy…

Rightwing Troll

May 24th, 2012
9:05 am

Godless… I loved Song of the South… It used to be on network TV on sunday nights every now and again…

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
9:06 am

Bro – How exactly do you refute arguments that are made like that? There are both truths and half-truths in the statements. And anytime anyone here tries, honestly (well, I may be giving some people here too much credit), to debate the issues and refute arguments, or make a counter argument are typically called racist or ignorant by others here. Kinda makes for a stacked deck. I’ve said it here, more than once, and others have made the same point about other topics, but this is an “old man’s” problem. By which I mean, it isn’t such a problem with people my age, and will most likely be less so with your children and their peers. Even living my entire life in Georgia, being raised in a community that was seemingly as segregated as it would have been 75 years ago, I grew up with none of the same hang-ups that were produced there 75 years ago. I look at people, and take them on an individual basis. I don’t care what you look like, I care what you bring to the table. I can try and refute what Jay, and others here have said all day, and not get anywhere. Others here, simply because I identify myself as a conservative will label me as a racist, and not listen to what I’m saying. Some of the ones that do listen to what I’m saying will decide I’m lying or just saying what I think you would want to hear. It is a lose-lose. So no, I can’t refute it, but I can say, and feel that with some certainty that I’m right, it isn’t going to be a problem for your children the way it may have been a problem for you.

Brosephus™

May 24th, 2012
9:12 am

(ir)Rational

All one has to do is show that there were Conservative groups back in the 1860’s that were actively fighting for abolition. Find conservative groups that fought out in the open against Jim Crow laws. Find conservative groups that actively fought for the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Likewise for the liberal side of the debate. Find liberal groups that actively fought against those things.

You have to remember that there were liberal and conservative elements in both parties back then. The current polarization that we see nowadays as something akin to normal did not exist even 40 years ago. Jay’s point, which is spot on, is that no one party can claim to be the party of civil rights as there were elements in both parties that fought on opposing sides for and against them.

Tundra Dude

May 24th, 2012
9:12 am

Jamvet:
The more correct name is The GOP’s Full Scale Legislative Assault on Women’s Rights.

They can’t help it, they’re serious students of the bible.

http://bit.ly/HLnp0T

15 Bible Texts Reveal Why God’s Own Party is at War with Women

Brosephus™

May 24th, 2012
9:15 am

(ir)Rational

I’ll also add that your observation hits the nail right smack dead on the head. It’s a generational thing. Younger people could give a sh*t less about it as we did not have to live through those days. However, when you study history, you know it has the tendency to repeat itself. If we don’t learn from the mistakes of the past, we have the potential to make them again.

Corey

May 24th, 2012
9:19 am

ay
May 23rd, 2012
5:13 pm

Jay, Skipper’s point is he hears it all the time, morning noon and, night read so passionately by the professional teleprompter readers on Channel 2 Action News. If I didn’t live in the city and was not accustomed to trekking on weekends throughout downtown and midtown and solely relied on Channel 2 to inform my views of the city I wouldn’t dare venture into the city either.

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
9:21 am

Bro – I don’t remember a time when it wasn’t polarized. And honestly, it doesn’t matter one way or the other to me. I could analyze it, but what is the point? Things happened, no matter what we say about them, or know about them, they’re not going to change. What matters, is what is going to happen in the future. Do you really think it is healthy to label an entire group, based off a few people’s actions/statements as racist? I know you better than that, you’re willing to look at individuals (or at least I thought you were) and know that everyone has their own set of beliefs, formed by their own experiences and ideals. It isn’t my responsibility to go and look at what someone did 50 years ago, or 150 years ago and say “well, because they were conservative/liberal then I guess all people that take that name today have the same belief system.” Which is what it sounds like Jay and a lot of others here are wanting me to do/admit.

godless heathen

May 24th, 2012
9:26 am

Corey,

When I drive through an area and see burglar bars welded over everyone’s windows, I don’t need Channel 2 News to tell me that it’s not the neighborhood I want to live in.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 24th, 2012
9:26 am

K71 — “The Civil Rights act has produced two or three generations of welfare dependence, such as the country has never seen. We have taken an ethnic group and turned them into a group of hangers on and government dependent people who can’t think past the next government check.”

How, precisely, did the Civil Rights Act do that?

Mary Elizabeth

May 24th, 2012
9:27 am

(ir)Rational, 9:06

“. . .but I can say, and feel that with some certainty that I’m right, it isn’t going to be a problem for your children the way it may have been a problem for you.”
================================================

Having lived for nearly seven decades, I can confirm that you are correct regarding the perceptions of most of today’s young people in “taking (people) on an individual basis,” as compared with their parents’ and grandparents’ perceptions of others. It was for precisely that vision, and for that hope for the future generations, that Martin Luther King, Jr. was willing to give his life’s efforts as well as his life. . .

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
9:29 am

Bro – I’m not saying don’t learn from history, I’m saying don’t let your perceptions of the past shape/form your entire basis for how you approach today. I read an op-ed about a year or two ago talking about how this dad from Southern California was taking his son to UNC or NCSU or one of those schools (I remember it was in North Carolina, but can’t remember the specifics), and how he had to teach him how to “drive in the South.” As if somehow it would be a crime for the young man to own a car and drive around campus simply because of the color of his skin. I can see how that could have been a problem years ago (I would even concede as recently as when you were growing up), but I don’t see how that could be a problem in a major city today SIMPLY because that city was in North Carolina. If you teach your children about the problems you faced, great, if you teach them about the problems you faced as a child, that haven’t come up in 20 years, and teach them as if the problems still exist today, I feel that is where the problems are perpetuated. You’re placing your experiences and expectations on another generation, hampering the evolution of the problem. In my opinion anyway.

Brosephus™

May 24th, 2012
9:30 am

Do you really think it is healthy to label an entire group, based off a few people’s actions/statements as racist?

Nobody’s labeling an entire group as racist. That’s where many people jump off the tracks. Pointing out which groups did what does not automatically equate to the entirety of the group believing the same way. The only thing I see with that is that someone could be guilty for being complicit by not speaking out against the grain, but I’m not interested in making any allegations of that nature.

As Jay and many others have stated, the groups then bear no resemblance to today’s groups. Nobody’s claiming that a conservative today is racist because of past conservative behaviors. I would think you’re smart enough to see that statement made and understand that nobody’s labeling groups. What this debate is about is the false statement that’s always made about the GOP being the party for Civil Rights and the Democrats were against it. That statement is patently false because there were groups in both parties that were for and against the Civil Rights Act.

In short, nobody’s accusing you of being racist because you are a conservative. The whole point is that the GOP can not claim to be the party of Civil Rights because that’s not the complete truth. I hope this can help you understand this whole thing much better.

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
9:35 am

Mary Elizabeth – Others have made the same point about things such as same sex marriage here. People my age just don’t care. We look at our elders that spout off crap about how this, that, or the other is wrong and shake our heads and dismiss it as them being old and stuck in their ways. For some people, myself being one of those people, were raised that way. It is ingrained in us, just as much as the opposite is ingrained in older generations, to accept people for who and what they are, not what they look like.

TaxPayer

May 24th, 2012
9:35 am

We have taken an ethnic group and turned them into a group of hangers on and government dependent people who can’t think past the next government check.”

The majority of so-called government dependents up here in the little ole county where I live are most definitely members of that white “ethnic group”. How does that fit in with kayaker’s claim.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 24th, 2012
9:37 am

Brosephus — “For those who are melanin enhanced and know the truth, they realize that neither party really gives a rats ass about us beyond what we do at the polls. Once we cast that vote, we don’t exist.”

This is not unlike how some atheist voters feel. Neither party seems to want to come right out and court our votes (though John Kerry came closer than anyone else IMO), but the GOP is downright hostile to us. There’s an atheist ping list on Free Republic.com, but every time Rim Job, I mean Jim Rob figures it out, he purges us all and deletes all our discussion threads. The Democrats aren’t *friendly* to atheists, but at least they don’t go on pogroms to get rid of us.

MiltonMan

May 24th, 2012
9:39 am

“When you “prodcue” any actual facts in support of your assertions, I’ll be there to comment and yeah, even admit if I’m wrong. I do that, you see. But you’ve provided nothing so far.”

Good grief. Do you think within the past 10-20 years that the family unit has strengthen is the country??? That defeats all studies and logic which you appear to have very little.

Unwed and fatherless families are different??? So using your “logic” a father magically appears when the single mom leaves the hospital to take care of the child???

if Romney believes the government doesnt create wealth why does he want the top government job

May 24th, 2012
9:41 am

if CONSERVATIVES gotta tell blacks that the CONSERVATIVES was for the CIVAL RIGHTS THEN you’ve already lost them. DEMOCRATS DONT NEED TO REMIND BLACKS

Brosephus™

May 24th, 2012
9:41 am

JHM

Glad to know I’m not alone. I don’t know how you can do Free Republic. Everytime I try to read through different threads there, I have to leave before I give myself a concussion by facepalming.

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
9:43 am

Bro – I understand it quite well, honestly. I’m not arguing based solely off today/yesterday’s conversation. I’m going back over the time that I’ve spent here and drawing off that experience. Like I said, I feel like I know you better than to think you would label an entire group as racist based off past actions, and the actions/words of a few. Yeah, some of us might be complicit when we don’t speak up against people that say things that we should speak out against. I think that argument could be made for both sides. And I would ask when did (insert any name you wish here) start speaking for “all” of us, or even just for me, as is asked here so many times nearly every day. I don’t feel it is my responsibility to defend or refute every statement made by anyone who opens their mouth. If they’re big enough to open their mouth and get it put out there nationally, they’re big enough to defend themselves for opening their mouth. If what they said is blatantly and patently stupid, why should I have to point it out if it is obvious? If asked, I’ll give my opinion, but that’s typically about the best you’ll get from me.

if Romney believes the government doesnt create wealth why does he want the top government job

May 24th, 2012
9:44 am

we dont need liberals to tell us which side they were on, we already know….why do conservatives feel they need to tell blacks whose side they were on? Dont they know how insulting that is to blacks, like we dont hav e commonswnse to know who our friends are…it was white liberals who were on the side of equal rights not “STATES RIGHTS” CONSERVATIVES

Joe Hussein Mama

May 24th, 2012
9:51 am

Brosephus — “Glad to know I’m not alone. I don’t know how you can do Free Republic. Everytime I try to read through different threads there, I have to leave before I give myself a concussion by facepalming.”

We have different circumstances and backgrounds, and clearly different life experiences, but we seem to have similar outlooks on a lot of things.

I still sympathize with many classically conservative principles, but I don’t see today’s GOP being either honest or determined in pressing their case in any kind of coherent fashion. Because of that lack of honesty and character, I can’t be part of the GOP or down with their causes any longer.

That could conceivably change at some point, but given where we are, I don’t see it happening any time soon.

Brosephus™

May 24th, 2012
9:52 am

I don’t feel it is my responsibility to defend or refute every statement made by anyone who opens their mouth.

No worries then. My earlier statement would not have been directed at you. Honestly, based on your posting, I wouldn’t have directed that question or statement in your direction anyway. My original statement was geared more towards those who come here everyday with the same post… “Jay lies…”, “Jay’s spreading liberal talking points…”, and things like that. I feel that if you’re going to accuse somebody of doing something, then you should be able to prove your accusations. You don’t come here and accuse anybody of doing anything unless you’re specific about what your point is. If I were you, I wouldn’t let this stuff bother me because it really doesn’t have any bearing on you at all. I’ve never seen you make any such false claims, so I’d defend you against anybody making blanket accusations in your direction. There are people here of both political leanings that are cool, and there are some of both who are jackasses. I tend to ignore the jackasses as much as possible.

Brosephus™

May 24th, 2012
9:55 am

JHM

I think time changes all things. There are far fewer of the “extremist” type of conservatives in the younger groups. The GOP has the opportunity to get back where it’s supposed to be, but it will be the younger groups that will get it there. I’ll probably get accused of age bias, but I think many of the older people are too set in their ways to adapt well to change. That’s why you have the “I’m more conservative than you” thing going on instead of truly sticking to what the basic principles should be.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 24th, 2012
9:56 am

MiltonMan — “Gotta love Watts – knocking up a couple of girls in high school while being raised in a Democratic family. Saw the light & turned from the dark ways. Jumped Ship??? Hardly my man. The guy contemplated voting for Obama but instead donated to old man McCain’s campaign – waste of his money in my opinion. The guy is doing pretty well right now & continues to support republlcan canididates.”

Actually, Watts *did* jump ship and said so when he left Congress in 2002. He was tired of being the token the GOP trotted out every time they wanted a non-old, non-white face in the crowd, but not being otherwise important to the party.

I understand that the final straw for Watts came when the Crusader missile defense system (which would have been partly built in his district) was cancelled by the DoD — because he only got two hours notice before SecDef Rumsfeld announced it publicly. FWIW, I can relate to Watts’ position — it’s pretty hard to stick with a political party that acts like it doesn’t want you around and only comes to you when it wants something for its own benefit.

if Romney believes the government doesnt create wealth why does he want the top government job

May 24th, 2012
9:59 am

do conservatives think blacks dont know that BIRTHERISM is sbout OBAMAS race?

Mary Grabar

May 24th, 2012
10:02 am

Nice to appoint yourself historian, Jay. Yeah, for the final word on history, read my blog post! So do you also have “Truth Team”? It’s no wonder people aren’t subscribing to your paper.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 24th, 2012
10:02 am

Brosephus — “I’ll probably get accused of age bias, but I think many of the older people are too set in their ways to adapt well to change. That’s why you have the “I’m more conservative than you” thing going on instead of truly sticking to what the basic principles should be.”

FWIW, if you ever want to *troll* Free Republic instead of participate, the best tactic I’ve found is what my wife and I call “Righter Than Thou.” When you pick out your target, stake out a position farther to the right than he’s professing. Get emphatic. Call your mark a liberal, a commie, a Code Pink nancy boy, whatever. Just make it clear that you’re criticizing him for being a librul. It TERRIFIES them. :D

I think the “more conservative than you” thing is like a territorial display in the animal kingdom, and that if you assault someone’s conservatism, you’re questioning their masculinity and threatening to take their ‘territory’ away.

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
10:04 am

Bro – Thanks. Means a lot that you think well enough of me to defend me. I’ve had a few of y’all do that recently when I was asking questions that were upsetting people. Makes a kid feel good that you old fogies can accept me. ;)

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
10:08 am

JHM – That does sound like fun. :)

Jay

May 24th, 2012
10:09 am

And yet here you are, Mary, reading and contributing to an AJC product.

Thanks!

Joe Hussein Mama

May 24th, 2012
10:11 am

How lovely. Jay seems to have riled up a member of the conservative blogosphere.

Ms. Grabar, regardless of what you think of Mr. Bookman’s work, I’d much rather write for a major metropolitan daily newspaper than for Pajamas Media. Of course, YMMV.

Mary Elizabeth

May 24th, 2012
10:17 am

ir(Rational) 9:35 am

“Mary Elizabeth – Others have made the same point about things such as same sex marriage here. People my age just don’t care. We look at our elders that spout off crap about how this, that, or the other is wrong and shake our heads and dismiss it as them being old and stuck in their ways. For some people, myself being one of those people, were raised that way. It is ingrained in us, just as much as the opposite is ingrained in older generations, to accept people for who and what they are, not what they look like.”
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I agree with your words, (ir)Rational, but I would add a cautionary note. Be sure to size up each of the “older generation” on their individual thoughts and merits, and resist predetermining what those thoughts might be based on their age (although I know full well what you meant).

For example, I have never (at whatever age I happened to be on my age continuum) perceived of others in terms of their race or sexual orientation, or any of a myriad of other ways that divide. One thing I cannot control is getting older and being a part of the “older generation,” any more than I can control the fact that I was born as a Causasian or as a heterosexual woman. There are as many variations of thought in the “older generation” as in any other group, although you are probably correct in your implication that humanity is evolving in its perceptions and that most of the older generation are “stuck” in their views of a past time. That is why we need to study history. As someone has said, “If we do not know from where we came, we cannot know where we are going” (In other words, by knowing our history, we are able not only to see the future emerging from the past, but we can also, hopefully, learn from it.)

if Romney believes the government doesnt create wealth why does he want the top government job

May 24th, 2012
10:18 am

Why do some white southerners get mad if we say the Confederates were traitors? Isnt anyone who takes up arms against their nation, traitors?

Mighty Righty

May 24th, 2012
10:20 am

You leave out meaningful details. Wallace, Thurmond and Helms were Democtas. Al Gore, Sr. was a noted segregationist as was William Fullbright, Bill Clintons mentor and friend. True the Republican party took advantage of the disarray(sic) the Democrats were experiencing over the “States Rights” issue much to the shame of the party. However it was the Republican party that passed LBJ’s civil rights legislation over the objections of the Democrats. Also, it was Eisenhower that enforced school segregation. Finally, the republicans problem with Earl Warren who was a Republican had to do with his activist interpretation of the constitution which we are paying for today. It had nothing to so with his stance on segregation or civil rights and a lot to do with his interpretation of the commerce clause.

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
10:22 am

Mary Elizabeth – I realize that there are differences between thought processes in the older generations just as much as there are in my generation. I learned a lot of my beliefs/thoughts on this subject from my grandparents and even my great-grandparents. As well as from my parents. I wasn’t saying all of them, I was basically saying they are more likely to be the ones standing in the way of progress on this and other issues.

Mighty Righty

May 24th, 2012
10:23 am

ir(Rational) 9:35 am

You will get over it. We all did.

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
10:24 am

Gotta say, resisting responding to trolls is VERY difficult. The level of stoopid is just mind blowing.

Mary Elizabeth

May 24th, 2012
10:26 am

(ir)Rational, overall I am proud of today’s young people. :-)

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
10:28 am

Mighty – What?

Mary Elizabeth – That’s surprising. Most of you old farts/strike> people think we’re a bunch of immoral, impertinent little turds. Actually, I’ll go one farther and say that most of the people my age think that about the generation behind us.

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
10:30 am

BOOO!!!! I messed it up. :(

That’s surprising. Most of you old farts people think we’re a bunch of immoral, impertinent little turds. Actually, I’ll go one farther and say that most of the people my age think that about the generation behind us.

There, I fixed it.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 24th, 2012
10:30 am

If Romney Believes — “Why do some white southerners get mad if we say the Confederates were traitors? Isnt anyone who takes up arms against their nation, traitors?”

I’m a Suthun boy, and I have gotten into some EPIC arguments with other Suthun boys who didn’t like hearing someone call their great-granddaddies traitors. Well, you know what? Germans don’t celebrate their Na Zi forebears, and I don’t think Americans should be celebrating their Confederate forebears, either.

Long story short, if you have an ancestor who fought for the South, then you have a traitor to America in your family tree. Deal with it.

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
10:35 am

JHM – I could argue, but it would be pointless (especially for me, my ancestors gained their citizenship by wearing blue), that they weren’t traitors to their country, they were fighting for their country. The southern states, at that time, were not part of the Union. They had formed a separate country, and were fighting for the survival of that country. I would agree that people like Davis could rightfully be called traitors, but the rest, in my opinion, weren’t.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 24th, 2012
10:39 am

(ir)Rational — Let’s agree that we have a legitimate difference of opinion, and perhaps the basis for a very good and very lengthy discussion, and leave it at that, then. :)

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
10:40 am

JHM – Works for me.

if Romney believes the government doesnt create wealth why does he want the top government job

May 24th, 2012
10:50 am

@irarational

but they didnt have a right to form their own country.

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
10:53 am

And the people of the 13 Colonies did? I would say there was more precedent for it in 1860 than there was in 1776.

reasonable

May 24th, 2012
10:55 am

Moderate Line – thank you. You have made the same point on this issue that I have tried to make before. It is fair to note, however, that those northern Republicans were also absolutely essential in getting cloture on the southern fillibuster. That was made possible by negotiations between LBJ and Republican Minority Leader Dirksen prior to the cloture vote. Jay, while I agree with your post, I think you slight the moderates in both parties who also played a key role. This was, after all, a time when moderate was not seen as a dirty word.

if Romney believes the government doesnt create wealth why does he want the top government job

May 24th, 2012
10:57 am

@irrational

no matter how u try to sanitize it, they were traitors plain and simple

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
11:00 am

I’m not trying to sanitize it. Like I said, I could agree with an argument that people like Jefferson Davis were traitors. The common soldier, you’ll never convince me of that.

Mary Elizabeth

May 24th, 2012
11:08 am

(ir)Rational, 10:28 and 10:30

“Mary Elizabeth – That’s surprising. Most of you old farts/strike> people think we’re a bunch of immoral, impertinent little turds. Actually, I’ll go one farther and say that most of the people my age think that about the generation behind us.

That’s surprising. Most of you old farts people think we’re a bunch of immoral, impertinent little turds. Actually, I’ll go one farther and say that most of the people my age think that about the generation behind us.
There, I fixed it.”
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Why would you feel it necessary to end such a pleasant, reasonable discussion in such a negative way, (ir)Rational? I am disappointed in your choice.

if Romney believes the government doesnt create wealth why does he want the top government job

May 24th, 2012
11:08 am

@irrational

so youre saying only the leaders were traitors? wrong, anyone who fights against their country is a traitor. I’m from Hopkinsville,Ky. and in our county {Christian County} we have the JEFFERSON DAVIS MONUMENT..it looks like the WASHINGTON MONUMENT

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
11:10 am

Mary Elizabeth – If we have more pleasant exchanges in the future, you’ll learn that I’m more than a little bit of a smart aleck. It is in my nature. I rarely take things (especially myself) too seriously. And find great joy in poking fun at people.

Mary Grabar

May 24th, 2012
11:19 am

Not paying for it, though. And YOU are reading National Review. Thank YOU and to all the readers of PJ Media (Joe Hussein Mama), the Weekly Standard, and other places where I write. These places, btw, are gaining readers, not losing them.

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
11:20 am

So? People can build monuments to whatever/whomever they so choose. In Atlanta, well actually Stone Mountain, we have the entire side of a mountain dedicated to the leaders of the Confederacy. Doesn’t really change anything, one way or the other. Wouldn’t change anything if it weren’t there. To your point about anyone fighting against their country being a traitor. Okay, but what was their country? Cause if you look in the history books, between 1861 and 1865, they were citizens of the Confederate States of America, not the United States of America. They argued, correctly, that this country was formed by voluntary agreement among the states that made it up. They decided that they no longer agreed with those in power, and that it was their right to withdraw their membership. Many in the north agreed with them, and would have been content to let them go, but Lincoln felt (and I would argue also correctly) that it was his duty to preserve the Union and provoked a fight in such a way that it made it look like the South was the sole aggressor, therefore swinging northern sentiment his way. It worked, and we had a long and bloody war to decide who was ultimately correct. While it could be argued that the issue was never truly decided, Lincoln changed the course of the war dramatically in 1863 when he issued the Emancipation Proclamation, changing the cause of the war from states rights, to slavery. Interestingly enough, and a fact that is often overlooked/ignored, he only freed the slaves in the states he had no power to do so in. He didn’t make it illegal, and he didn’t give the freed slaves citizenship.

Mary Elizabeth

May 24th, 2012
11:21 am

ir(Rational),

Well, I can’t really contribute that difference in how we would post to a “generation gap.” It is, I think, essentially a difference in our unique natures.

Thank you for the follow up post, though, and do have a good day.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 24th, 2012
11:23 am

M. Grabar — “Not paying for it, though.”

Shrug. Your page clicks are paying the bills too, Madam.

“And YOU are reading National Review. Thank YOU and to all the readers of PJ Media (Joe Hussein Mama), the Weekly Standard, and other places where I write.”

Don’t strain yourself in leaping to all those conclusions.

“These places, btw, are gaining readers, not losing them.”

Well, train wrecks *do* draw crowds, you know. (laughing) :D

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
11:26 am

Mary Elizabeth – You have a nice day as well.

Mary Grabar

May 24th, 2012
11:32 am

So, Joe Hussein Mama, if you’re not reading PJ Media, how can you determine the quality? (It apparently doesn’t meet your standards.) Of course, I was referring to Mr. Bookman’s attempt to clear the historical record at National Review. I believe the article in question was by subscription only. And shouldn’t you be reading National Review if you’re commenting on an article in it?

(ir)Rational

May 24th, 2012
11:38 am

if Romney believes – I’ve got things to do, but I’ll be back if you would care to continue this conversation.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 24th, 2012
12:15 pm

M. Grabar — “So, Joe Hussein Mama, if you’re not reading PJ Media, how can you determine the quality?”

Come now. One can read the work of the various contributors without actually having to *visit* PJ Media. Knowing who you are and being somewhat familiar with your work doesn’t mean that I’m following you around on the Internet. And when did I mention the Weekly Standard?

“(It apparently doesn’t meet your standards.)”

Or Pam Geller’s, apparently.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/01/pajama-media-closes-its-doors.html

“Of course, I was referring to Mr. Bookman’s attempt to clear the historical record at National Review. I believe the article in question was by subscription only.”

I imagine the AJC, like most major newspapers and periodicals, has subscriptions to most *other* major newspapers and periodicals. But that doesn’t mean that Jay’s necessarily devouring every word in NR or NRO.

“And shouldn’t you be reading National Review if you’re commenting on an article in it?”

Reading the article, certainly. But I don’t see how you can necessarily draw the conclusion that anyone’s a regular or frequent or even irregular reader of NR or NRO simply based on their citation of an article. I’ve directed many friends and collegues to articles and essays online, but that doesn’t mean that any of them became subscribers or regular readers because of it.

IOW, I’ve read the Bible more than once, but that doesn’t make me a Christian.

Finally, on the topic of gaining readership — considering PJM collapsed about three years ago, I’d say y’all have nowhere to go *but* up. So congratulations on cracking into the Top 1000 websites in the US — climb just another 400-500 places and you’ll be up in AJC territory.

Mary Grabar

May 24th, 2012
12:42 pm

Joe Hussein Mama,

http://pjmedia.com/

It collapsed? So then who sent me my check for my article this month?

Joe Hussein Mama

May 24th, 2012
12:55 pm

M. Grabar — “It collapsed?”

It did; the news was all over the conservative blogosphere in early 2009. Read my earlier link from Pam Geller and this one from Ann Althouse.

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/01/pajamas-media-blogging-enterprise-has.html

“So then who sent me my check for my article this month?”

Who said it *stayed* that way, Madam? Perhaps you should have paid closer attention to the last sentence of my previous post.

Kimono

May 24th, 2012
2:11 pm

Republican an democrates helped pass civil rights the far religious right or far right wing of evangelicals or what is today the base of the republican party today teabaggers moral majority and back in the day the clan a fringe group of southern white men and their property. I mean wives Have always been against civil rights for blacks. Browns women an gays They hide behind their bible to spew their hate Hence their slogan take back America

Moderate Line

May 24th, 2012
2:40 pm

Mary Elizabeth
May 24th, 2012
7:21 am

Having lived in both the South and the North, I think that Moderate Line posted astute observations at 6:09 pm last evening on this issue.
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Thanks. It is a well known example of the Simpson Paradox. Statistics can many times be misleading.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson’s_paradox

Joe Hussein Mama

May 24th, 2012
2:54 pm

You know, Ms. Grabar, 2009? Around the time you lost out on the AJC editorial gig to Kyle Wingfield? Kyle’s still here, but you? No, you’re not a regular; you only come around once in a while to gripe and complain.

I bet those AJC editorial grapes are still sour, aren’t they?

Atlas Shrugging

May 24th, 2012
3:24 pm

So Joe all of us “wives” (you idiot… proof what you blog) white folks that worked for civil rights in the 60’s didn’t believe in what we were doing thus the phrase “take back America”! YOU achieved civil rights all by yourselves????

Joe Hussein Mama

May 24th, 2012
4:22 pm

Atlas Shrugging, I don’t know who you’re addressing, but I don’t think it’s me. You seem to have me confused with another poster.

Corey

May 24th, 2012
6:06 pm

godless heathen

May 24th, 2012
9:26 am

Godless, every window in the city has burglar bars on the window?

Mary Elizabeth

May 24th, 2012
7:44 pm

Moderate Line, 2:40 pm

Glad you saw my post. I thought your perceptions were very much on target regarding the issue of civil rights in both the North and the South, from having lived in both places, and especially from having lived in Georgia since the 1940s, with time out for living in NYC from 1963 – 1970. (Btw, I seriously considered not returning to my Georgia roots, in that I had already been offered a job with the City of NY upon my graduation from college in 1970. I had more natural affinity with most in NYC than with most in Georgia.The difference in points-of-view regarding the civil rights issue (which you sharply caught) was only one example. But, roots are strong and family, dear, so I returned. However, I later married a French immigrant and removed myself, mentally, from either! ;-)

I am going to post the following link from my personal blog, in case you might enjoy reading it, Moderate Line. In it, I discuss how “knowing” truths sometimes can be gathered beyond “data analysis.” Don’t feel a need to respond to my blog entry, or even to read it, but just in case you might be interested, here is the link:

http://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2011/06/11/danger-zone-stereotypical-thinking/

Fast and Furious Spending

May 26th, 2012
10:37 pm

Jay,

I had always considered Kevin Williamson a weak link in the National Review chain.

You’re weaker. He sure put you on your butt.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/301053/yes-party-civil-rights-kevin-d-williamson

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