Who’s ‘the party of civil rights’? That’s the wrong question
Kevin Williamson, writing in National Review, expresses contempt and disgust for what he calls “the outright lie, the utter fabrication with malice aforethought” in modern politics. He then proceeds to indulge in something pretty close to the fabrication that he claims to despise.
Williamson’s thesis is that the Republican Party is and always has been the party that fought hardest for civil rights in this country, and that the Democratic Party has been the party that has fought hardest to sustain white privilege. And he is angry that the reputations of the two parties do not reflect what he perceives as historical reality.
“That Republicans have let Democrats get away with this mountebankery is a symptom of their political fecklessness, and in letting them get away with it the GOP has allowed itself to be cut off rhetorically from a pantheon of Republican political heroes, from Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass to Susan B. Anthony, who represent an expression of conservative ideals as true and relevant today as it was in the 19th century,” Williamson writes.
Let’s stipulate that on the narrow terms in which Williamson attempts to define the issue, and within a particular time frame, he has an arguable case. Fifty or 60 years ago, much of the Republican Party did indeed support civil rights reform. That’s why the Rev. Martin Luther King Sr., along with many other black Americans, considered themselves proud Republicans at the time.
Conversely, as Williamson documents well, a very large chunk of the Democratic Party — much of it located here in the South — fought bitterly against civil rights and desegregation and in favor of white supremacy. For years, the Democratic Party in Georgia and elsewhere even conducted “whites only” primaries, meaning that black voters such as King Sr. could not have participated even if they wanted to do so.
But once you get past 1960 or so, that history gets much more complicated. You’ve got GOP presidential nominee Barry Goldwater defending segregation in his 1964 campaign, while President Johnson, a Democrat, fought valiantly for passage of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.
You’ve got George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms, and by 1968 you’ve got Richard Nixon and his Southern strategy. As Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips described the thinking back in 1970:
“The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.”
In other words, trying to debate who deserves the title of “The Party of Civil Rights” can quickly get pretty ugly and confusing. So rather than sink into a morass of charge and countercharge, along with attempts to count the various racists on each side in various eras, let’s simplify things dramatically. Instead of discussing this in terms of Democrats and Republicans, let’s address it in terms of liberals and conservatives.
Looked at that way, the issue crystallizes immediately.
Yes, members of both political parties supported the civil rights movement. They were liberal Republicans and liberal Democrats.
Yes, many Democrats chanted “segregation now, segregation forever”; they were conservative Democrats. And that distinction can be traced through every institution of society.
Liberal churches as a rule supported the civil rights movement, as did liberal Jews and liberal clergy such as Will Campbell. Conservative churches such as the Southern Baptist Convention, on the other hand, bitterly opposed desegregation. When the issue split a denomination, as it did the Presbyterians for a time, it was the liberal faction that supported civil rights and the conservative faction that opposed it.
The liberal NAACP and ACLU pushed Brown v. Board of Education to the U.S. Supreme Court, where the liberal Thurgood Marshall argued the case and found a sympathetic ear in Chief Justice Earl Warren, who was so reviled by conservatives that they launched a long-running campaign to impeach him.
Conversely, conservative political groups such as the John Birch Society routinely condemned the civil rights movement as communist-inspired and -led.
Liberal newspapers in the South — the Greenwood Delta Democrat-Times in Mississippi and the Atlanta Constitution here in Georgia, among a few others — angered many white readers with support for desegregation, while conservative newspapers such as the Richmond News Leader, edited by James J. Kilpatrick, staunchly defended segregation on the grounds that “the Negro race, as a race, is in fact an inferior race.”
“When the Negro today proclaims or demands his ‘equality,’ he is talking of equality within the terms of Western civilization,” Kilpatrick once wrote. “And what, pray, has he contributed to it? Putting aside conjecture, wishful thinking and a puerile jazz-worship, what has he in fact contributed to it? The blunt answer, may it please the court, is very damned little.”
And while liberal media outlets advocated strongly in defense of civil rights, conservative outlets such as Williamson’s own National Review argued just as strenuously that because of the “cultural superiority of white over Negro,” whites were “entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas where [they do] not predominate numerically.”
At this point, let me make it clear that the conservatives of today are not the conservatives of 40 or 50 years ago; I have every confidence that many many conservatives today would strongly repudiate what earlier generations of conservatives espoused. Nor am I attempting to argue that they are permanently stained with the mistakes of their ideological predecessors, because that would be ridiculous.
But let’s also make it clear just what Williamson is attempting to accomplish in his essay. He believes a political legacy is important and useful. He believes that today’s conservatives deserve some vague sort of credit for something that previous conservatives in fact got tragically wrong. He also believes that on issues of race, it is possible to inoculate today’s conservative movement by linking it to a crusade that their ideological forebearers fought bitterly. And history will simply not sustain that claim.
I would further suggest that if today’s Republican Party has “allowed itself to be cut off rhetorically from a pantheon of Republican political heroes, from Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass to Susan B. Anthony,” it is at least in part because today’s Republican Party has not exactly been in a rush to reclaim that part of its heritage.
– Jay Bookman
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That Black Guy
May 23rd, 2012
7:27 pm
josef
May 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
FORMAL BLACK GUY
Don’t overlook Buckhead…it’s not at all what the stereotype would have you believe…
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Believe it or not, I’ve been here since ‘92 but I never really spent much time in Buckhead.
Rightwing Troll
May 23rd, 2012
7:28 pm
If the shoe fits…
Why would Rick Santorum say:
”I don’t want to make black people’s lives better by giving them somebody else’s money. I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money and provide for themselves and their families.”
And, well I’ll you extrapolate who uttered this nugget:
Newt Gingrich says he plans to “go to the NAACP convention and tell the African-American community why they should demand paychecks instead of food stamps.”
These weren’t comments from years gone by, they were made just last year by two GOP presidential front runners speaking to “true” Americans…
Jay
May 23rd, 2012
7:28 pm
I’ve been out.
Josef, I’ve fixed that. It didn’t feel right as I wrote it, so thanks.
Anything I missed?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 23rd, 2012
7:29 pm
josef:
I still miss Chief Noc-A-Homa !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Noc-A-Homa
Gator Joe
May 23rd, 2012
7:29 pm
Well stated JamVet.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
7:29 pm
SCOUT
It didn’t play well in Boston!
F. Sinkwich
May 23rd, 2012
7:30 pm
Are white Hispanics like Gator eligible for reparations?
Don’t think so.
Bummer, Gator, you might have to get a job.
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
7:30 pm
Gator Joe
May 23rd, 2012
7:18 pm
Having experienced what Blacks have, and are experiencing they would be justified. I don’t see any evidence of Blacks enslaving whites, excluding whites from the ballot box, donning sheets and pointed hoods to terrorize whites, lynching whites, not allowing whites to live in specific areas. I could go on but it occurs to me, I’m wasting my time with people like you.
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Why are you talking about the conditions in Africa where they still practice slavery? That other sht you mentipon ended anywhere from 170 years to 40 years ago here in America.
But never mind. I see you are a black racist ass hole and I have no time for racists regardless of the color of their skin. They disgust me. Since you are a apparently a racsit you in specific disgust me and are unworthy of further contact.
I refuse to deal with white racists, I certainly have no problem peeing on rcists of other colors as well. I wish ALL you racist SOB’s would just die and let us rational folks conduct business.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
7:31 pm
IMAM
Not to worry, even us Mississippi folk do it all the time! Yeah, you missed something…a definition of plantation liberal…
Rightwing Troll
May 23rd, 2012
7:31 pm
And of course there’s the vehement defense of an armed vigilante stalking and killing a hoodie wearing thug…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 23rd, 2012
7:31 pm
“The use of potential force from drones has raised the ire of the American Civil Liberties Union.
“It’s simply not appropriate to use any of force, lethal or non-lethal, on a drone,” Catherine Crump, staff attorney for the ACLU, told CBSDC.”
Well ……………. there you go. That ends that.
Next !
St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones
May 23rd, 2012
7:31 pm
Yo Fred, be happy to. Come by Spanky’s after 7, I should be back in town by then. Introduce yourself. I’m easy to spot.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 23rd, 2012
7:33 pm
“FREEZE ………….. put your hands on your head “……………. Drone !
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
7:34 pm
Wow, could I have made more typo’s lol. It’s what happens when talking to the girls and trying to post.
St. Simons: LO, after 7? I hope to be in Atlanta by then. Is THAT when you folks eat lunch? Or did you mean after 7 AM lol.
F. Sinkwich
May 23rd, 2012
7:34 pm
“Introduce yourself. I’m easy to spot”
He’s the one in the pink tutu.
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
7:34 pm
and you missed a racist defending being a racist………..
kayaker 71
May 23rd, 2012
7:35 pm
Gator Joe, 7:18,
Your point is well taken. We have a pretty checkered past in our relationships with the black community in this country and the resentment, anger and hate is just below the surface, much of it justified. If I were a black man, I would have the same resentment, anger and hate as much of the black community has. It is far from over. Those who have moved on and put most of this in the past have fared better than those who are still walking over Selma bridge, however. A certain identity, heritage and pride was stripped from the black man when he was taken from Africa and he is still searching for it, to get it back. Our President, however, never experienced what you might have. He has no identity with it other than to be ‘half black” which is a stretch. He was raised in Indonesia, then came to Hawaii, went to Columbia then to Harvard….. not your usual scenario with a typical black person struggling for identity in a country which they resent and are having trouble coming to grips with. Our criticism of him is not a criticism of you. And those who criticize the President are not all racists. Some are but the majority more concerned about the future of our country than the color of our President’s skin. I just wish that the first black President could have been a little more black and a little less a politician.
St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones
May 23rd, 2012
7:35 pm
I only wear the pink tutu at Castaway’s
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 23rd, 2012
7:36 pm
“‘Barcode everyone at birth’”
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120522-barcode-everyone-at-birth
“He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.”
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
7:38 pm
What do ya’ll think of Pizza Patron offering a free pizza but ONLY if you order in Spanish?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/pizza-parlor-giveaway-sparks-heated-debate-011043451.html
josef
May 23rd, 2012
7:39 pm
FRED
“Introduce yourself. I’m easy to spot”
He’s got a feather growing out of his head! Accents the Dockers and Izod quite nicely…
FORMAL BLACK GUY
This part of town has got it all…AND it’s convenient to just about everything…
josef
May 23rd, 2012
7:42 pm
FRED
Hell, I ALREADY order my pizza in Spanish! I know most of the staff at our favorite pizzaria…and, pssst, they give us and our kids at school some really neat deals…
That Black Guy
May 23rd, 2012
7:43 pm
Rightwing Troll
May 23rd, 2012
7:28 pm
If the shoe fits…
Why did Joe Biden say this about Obama “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,”
Why did Harry Reid say Obama was “light-skinned” and having “no Negro dialect unless he wanted to have one.”
Why did Bill Clinton say about Obama “A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee,” to Ted Kennedy.
Yeah, if the shoe fite.
That Black Guy
May 23rd, 2012
7:43 pm
fits
josef
May 23rd, 2012
7:45 pm
FORMAL BLACK GUY
@ 7:43
Plantation and Limousine Liberals…
That Black Guy
May 23rd, 2012
7:45 pm
Jay
May 23rd, 2012
7:28 pm
I’ve been out.
Josef, I’ve fixed that. It didn’t feel right as I wrote it, so thanks.
Anything I missed?
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Jay, I took what TDone wrote as saying, *White liberals* want Blacks to stay on the plantation so they can take care and protect Blacks because the *White liberals* feel Blacks protect or take care of ourselves.
Joseph at 5:30 said what you accuse TDone of…
Just saying…
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2012
7:47 pm
Well! I think Jay has done gone and wrinkled some white hoodies amongst our Republican brethren.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
7:48 pm
SCOUT
Barcoding and the beast?
Back when we first were going over to computer for just about everything, I named my 666 and posted it on the screen (forehead) and keyboard (hand)…my principal came in and asked me why…so I told her that you couldn’t do anything anymore without it, so it must be…she laughed, but still made me take it down…today mine at home is Diabulus ex Macchina…
That Black Guy
May 23rd, 2012
7:49 pm
josef
May 23rd, 2012
7:45 pm
FORMAL BLACK GUY
@ 7:43
Plantation and Limousine Liberals…
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Yup.
Heading home. This daymn Obama economy has me working late again.
I’ll check in from da’ crib.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 23rd, 2012
7:51 pm
Anything I missed?
Ilk and cookies.
Tom Middleton
May 23rd, 2012
7:53 pm
I remember from PolySci, Jay, that the Dems and Republicans switched sides on this issue, but I couldn’t remember exactly when or how.
Thanks for your history lesson, sir. And to me, it all seems to point to one thing: Abe Lincoln today would have to be a Democrat.
As a Republican, he couldn’t get through the primaries, unless he, too, became a soulless flip-flopper on everything, with $millions to spend for destroying his opponents. But wait, that wouldn’t be Abe Lincoln, would it? Never mind!
St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones
May 23rd, 2012
7:55 pm
josef, if you come down to de islands, you and two-spirit NEED to
check out Castaways
JamVet
May 23rd, 2012
8:00 pm
In 1995, the Southern Baptist Convention voted to adopt a resolution renouncing its racist roots and apologizing for its past defense of slavery, segregation, and white supremacism.
And the truth shall set you free..
saywhat?
May 23rd, 2012
8:00 pm
From the article Jay links- “…and Jonah Goldberg has now provided an illuminating catalogue of tyrannical clichés…”
When Jonah Goldberg AKA “doughy pantload”, whose primary conservative academic “credential’” is by accident of birth (mother is Luciana Goldberg), is cited as a source of anything illuminating, you know the BS is about to fly copiously and thick.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 23rd, 2012
8:03 pm
josef:
………………
But ………. it’s coming. I just hope I’m not here.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 23rd, 2012
8:03 pm
JamVet:
What ever happened to that “forced busing” thingie ??
PJ
May 23rd, 2012
8:05 pm
Common Sense @6:22 pm
Sorry it took me son long to get back to you but I was in transit.
America is not the Federal Gov’t? Well I beg to differ with your assessment. There would be no United States of America without the Federal Gov’t which is the centralized management of this great nation. The Civil War more than anything proves that although
the Southern section wanted to breaks away the United States Government brought it back together. The Constitution, the Declaration of Independence are Federal Documents. The Founding Fathers and everyone serving since were and are Federal Employees. The Expansion to the west, the hwy system, Mount Rushmore were all federal projects. Arlington and all the other national cemeteries are sacred Federal land. The Veterans and active duty service members are federally pensioned or paid. NASA, the CDC, FEMA, and other programs like them advance, protect and relieve our citizenry. I could go on and on but I hope you get my point.
By the way the only ignorance I see are those who don’t appreciate what the Federal Government has done for all of us.
. .
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 23rd, 2012
8:07 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: CALCIUM PILLS CAN ‘DOUBLE RISK OF HEART ATTACKS’…
ragnar danneskjold
May 23rd, 2012
8:08 pm
I think it fair to acknowledge that Republicans are, and always have been, race neutral; to the extent that there was republican opposition to the so-called “civil rights act” was principled, not based on any racial animus; note the difference between Republicans who opposed the civil rights act of 1964 and the Democrats who voted similarly. Democrats before 1960 were champions of “Jim Crow” laws that favored white people over others, and since 1964 Democrats are champions of racial preference laws that benefit non-white people over others – anything but “race-neutral.” Thus the politics of pandering.
Unlike Republicans, Democrats have no animating political philosophy (recall the Will Rogers line, “I’m not a member of any organized political party, I am a Democrat.”) Rather every policy-preference is ad hoc, and usually with a crassly political calculus behind it. The right question is “why do democrats think government should compel political thought that adheres to the preferences of the leftists?” That analysis will also explain the Democrats’s strange affection for redefinition of marriage to embrace homosexual preferences and the continuing effort to compel Catholic charities to provide abortion-facients to their workers. The free market actually performs all of those functions – racial equality, civil unions, birth control – better without government “help.”
Pizzaman
May 23rd, 2012
8:09 pm
Well said Jay. I haven’t read any of the comments here because I know what they say. I have long said that the “Redneck Republicans” of today are the “Yellow Dog Democrats” of old with the same racial biases. Don’t believe it Folks? Then explain why that revered Senator Mitch McConnell has spent every day since the election trying to make the President a one term President. Just another Yellow Dog Dem dressed up as a Redneck Repub. Of course, like I said earlier, the facts just clog up their pea brains. History means nothing to them.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 23rd, 2012
8:14 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Illegals smuggled into country in ‘UPS’ van…
PJ
May 23rd, 2012
8:15 pm
That Black Guy @6:58 pm
PJ
May 23rd, 2012
5:44 pm
Thulsa Doom @5:32 pm
Thulsa asked why someone would’t vote Republican. When I want to know why you do I will ask you otherwise I don’t care what you think especially when you play tag-a-long with your answer.
Silly Rabbit, tricks are for kid.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 23rd, 2012
8:18 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: Man divorces over wife’s 550 house cats…
St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones
May 23rd, 2012
8:18 pm
“The only thing that will not be tolerated is Intolerance”
-sign outside Castaways on de island mon -
most conservatives are not racist; we need to acknowledge that.
JamVet
May 23rd, 2012
8:20 pm
What ever happened to that “segregation” thingie ??
Minority Conservative
May 23rd, 2012
8:21 pm
Bookman- When you and your race baiting are gone I will resubscribe to the AJC.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 23rd, 2012
8:23 pm
Well, I don’t like to brag, but it was this Conservative Republican that helped launch Equal Rights. You all know I was the one that started using “Those People,” instead of the N-word, when people were writing about the Black folks. I decided the only time to use the N-word was with family or close friends. That’s the kind of thing that you won’t see much about right now but it will be in the history books 100 years from now. I just hope they spell my name right. Because I won’t be around to read about my brave act.
No need to thank me. Besides, if I hadn’t of done it, I would of been banned from all the Politically Correct blogs.
And to think—if it hadn’t of been for this Civil Rights stuff, I would of been voting Democrat right now. See, I’m one of them Yellow Dog Democrats that turned into a Republican. Like old Zell said, I never left the Democrats, the Democrats left me.
Have a good night everybody.
Oscar
May 23rd, 2012
8:24 pm
To someone like me who can remember the fifties and sixties this is all pretty much old news. Amazing to me how history gets distorted and mististed by people to meet their own agendas.
The thing to me is to remember to separate the northern and southern democrats of the forties, fifties and sixties. They can’t be talked about as if they were one group. They were not.
But, nothern and national democrats were happy to leave the south and segregation alone and accpet the votes until Kennedy and johnson came along in 1960 and Kennedy followed by Johnson changed all that.
Johson pushed throught civil rights legislation with Republician and some northern democrat support.
Then the politiical world of the sough changed when Nixon develped the southern stragedy – code word for anti-civil rights.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
8:26 pm
St Simon’s
Will do…
PJ
“I see are those who don’t appreciate what the Federal Government has done for all of us”
Hell, yeah! What’s a little rape and pillage and burning to the ground, Removals of entire Nations, snatch a little territory from the next door neighbors, a little blood genocide,a little Jim Crow, some of that good ole imperialism, a few colonial adventures here and there, intervention in the internal affairs of those we don’t cotton to…
And, no, I am not blind to the good things we’ve been able to do as a nation of people, but it’s often in spite of and not because of the Federal Government overstepping its purpose…
JamVet
May 23rd, 2012
8:29 pm
Wow, that 8:21 is one that I’ve never seen before.
A strange corollary of the oft-used, but now out of favor, “because of (fill in the blank), I’m cancelling my subscription!
Oscar
May 23rd, 2012
8:29 pm
And, southern democrats were in favor of segration, but they were not conservative. They were FDR new dealers who liked and supported the social programs of the new deal. They saw what the government in the thirties had done for the south. That is a liberal philosophy. Govt used to improve the economy.
Republicians were the conservatives then and now. Supporting big business and small governemnt. That has not changed.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2012
8:30 pm
OB-GYNS worried burglaries, fires are retaliation.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
8:30 pm
K’chak
I caught that UPS thingie…now, that’s ingenuity!
josef
May 23rd, 2012
8:33 pm
OSCAR
Yep,
JamVet
May 23rd, 2012
8:33 pm
More non-revised history for the conservatives here:
…completely ignores the explicit revolt by conservative Southerners against the northern liberal civil rights wing, beginning with Strom Thurmond, who formed a third-party campaign in 1948 in protest against Harry Truman’s support for civil rights.
Thurmond received 49 percent of the vote in Louisiana, 72 percent in South Carolina, 80 percent in Alabama, and 87 percent in Mississippi. He later, of course, switched to the Republican Party.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
8:36 pm
The GOP sold its soul to business and commercial interests during the Late Unpleasantness and has operated in their behalf without break from then until now…
Brosephus™
May 23rd, 2012
8:37 pm
I think it fair to acknowledge that Republicans are, and always have been, race neutral; to the extent that there was republican opposition to the so-called “civil rights act” was principled, not based on any racial animus;
I hate to pick on posters here, but if there is any one post here that deserves a “pants on fire” rating, it’s that crap right there.
5 pages in and not one person here has posted any historical facts to refute what Jay posted. All I’ve read is emotional based arguments. Facts matter, and what Jay wrote is pretty damned factual. I am willing to bet that there are very few Republicans here who know what the Lily White Movement is/was.
Sure, history is ripe with stories about how the Democrats started the KKK and such. History does not explain that the original KKK, as founded by Nathanial Bedford Forrest, was something like the modern-day VFW. It was an organization for ex-Confederate soldiers. When some got the idea to harass Blacks, Forrest disbanded the group. The modern-day version of the KKK was the one born atop Stone Mountain, and that group does not have any resemblance to it’s original intent.
History also covers up the campaign of the conservative elements of the Republican Party to rid itself of Blacks. History shows that Blacks elected after the Civil War were Republicans. What they don’t tell you is that not long after Reconstruction ended, so did the welcome for Blacks in the Southern GOP.
I find it sad that people champion a party, either party, and don’t know the full history of the stuff they’re backing. Y’all need to get off the internet downloading porn and go study your history for once. The only way you’ll find out where to go is to know where you’ve come from.
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They BOTH
I’d call this one the “Lead Zeppelin”.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
8:39 pm
BROSEPHUS
The Imam is in…you gonna get a fatwah!
PJ
May 23rd, 2012
8:40 pm
josef @8:26 pm
It’s not that I don’t see your point, but my remarks are for thoses who want to disparage the gov’t only when their party is out of power or things are not going their way, who are otherwise they are waving the flag with their hand over their heart. My stance of America love her or leave her is for the part time patriot.
weetamoe
May 23rd, 2012
8:41 pm
Well it was the brothers Kennedy who ordered J Edgar to spy on Dr King. The Kennedy’s were quite at home in good old southie (is my home town, as they sang) but political expediency causes swift evolution. Ike sent the national guard to over rule old Orval Faubus in Arkansas. LBJ carried out JFK’s legacy–much better then Bobby would have. Poor Cory Booker has that feets don’t fail me now stare on his mea culpa video. I wager that many conservatives would support a brilliant young law professor like Yale’s Stephen Carter. Also Harold Ford Jr., Adrian Felty (thrown under bus), Booker, once he gets his nerve back, and countless other young African Americans.
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
8:41 pm
I’d like to be a racist but i’m just too stupid. I just can’t remember who I’m supposed to hate and why………
Brosephus™
May 23rd, 2012
8:41 pm
josef
I’m sick and damn tired of this sugarcoating history crap. Somebody needs to put it all out there in black and white in 100% factual form. You think I’m gonna teach the ABD this revisionistic crap???
josef
May 23rd, 2012
8:43 pm
BROSEPHUS
Since you’re here…did you happen to catch Gates shaking Wanda Sykes tree? It was truly a fascinating glimpse into the past…she’s descended from Free People of Color dating back to 1683! She was doing the pride tripping when he brought in the documents that they were also slave-holders…oops!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 23rd, 2012
8:43 pm
There’s porn on the interwebs?
Why haven’t I been told about this before?
josef
May 23rd, 2012
8:43 pm
BROSEPHUS
Since you’re here…did you happen to catch Gates shaking Wanda Sykes tree? It was truly a fascinating glimpse into the past…she’s descended from Free People of Color dating back to 1683! She was doing the pride tripping when he brought in the documents that they were also slave-holders…oops!
Brosephus™
May 23rd, 2012
8:45 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily-White_Movement
The Lily-White Movement was an anti-civil-rights movement within the Republican Party in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The movement was a response to the political and socioeconomic gains made by African-Americans following the Civil War and the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which eliminated slavery. Black leaders gained increasing influence in the party by organizing blacks as an important voting bloc. Conservative white groups attempted to eliminate this influence and recover white voters who had defected to the Democratic Party.
Then you have this….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat
The States’ Rights Democratic Party (usually called the Dixiecrats) was a short-lived segregationist political party in the United States in 1948. It originated as a breakaway faction of the Democratic Party in 1948, determined to protect what they portrayed as the southern way of life beset by an oppressive federal government,[1] and supporters assumed control of the state Democratic parties in part or in full in several Southern states. The States’ Rights Democratic Party opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim Crow laws and white supremacy in the face of possible federal intervention. Members were called Dixiecrats. (The term Dixiecrat is a portmanteau of Dixie, referring to the Southern United States, and Democrat.)
The party did not run local or state candidates, and after the 1948 election its leaders generally returned to the Democratic Party.[2] The Dixiecrats had little short-run impact on politics. However, they did have a long-term impact. The Dixiecrats began the weakening of the “Solid South” (the Democratic Party’s total control of presidential elections in the South).
For those who are melanin enhanced and know the truth, they realize that neither party really gives a rats ass about us beyond what we do at the polls. Once we cast that vote, we don’t exist.
Brosephus™
May 23rd, 2012
8:46 pm
josef
I missed out on that one. Gates can be an ok guy at times. When he’s in his element like that, he’s the man.
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
8:46 pm
“today mine at home is Diabulus ex Macchina…
”
Just got back from dinner and margaritas
that is funny
josef
May 23rd, 2012
8:47 pm
PJ
Agreed…it’s my country, my home, my family and I have to love her, warts and all…
BROSEPHUS
Well, as you know, teaching our children history as opposed to propaganda (Y-shariah
) is not easy, but what a trip! Once they realize just how many lies and distortions they are being taught, you don’t have to hear that “history is boring!”
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
8:47 pm
For those who are melanin enhanced and know the truth, they realize that neither party really gives a rats ass about us beyond what we do at the polls. Once we cast that vote, we don’t exist.
Bootstrap your ass up.
St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones
May 23rd, 2012
8:48 pm
that amnesia machine created at Area 51 and tested over
the am radio band not only erased the years 2001-2008, it
apparently erased the ’60s Re-Alignment too…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 23rd, 2012
8:48 pm
JamVet:
“What ever happened to that “segregation” thingie ??”
It went away thankgoodness.
Now ……… what ever happened to that “forced busing” thingie ??
Brosephus™
May 23rd, 2012
8:49 pm
For those who are still skeptical of the GOP, here’s a list of important people within that movement I listed above…
Herbert Hoover, Republican President between 1929 and 1933, who made campaign promises and alliances with black leaders, and subsequently broke those promises leading to a large-scale exodus of blacks from the party.
William Howard Taft, Republican President between 1909 and 1913, who sought to expand Republican appeal in the South by eliminating black involvement.[
When the president himself is seeking to remove people from the party, it’s kinda hard to say no isn’t it???
josef
May 23rd, 2012
8:50 pm
BROSEPHUS
Well, we know YOU’UNS don’t exactly trust his motives…
But, you’re right…when he’s in his element, he’s really got a lot to say about real history…
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
8:50 pm
“that there was republican opposition to the so-called “civil rights act” was principled,”
Biggest BS post of the day……………. You want to double down or retract?
Brosephus™
May 23rd, 2012
8:51 pm
Fred
To hell with bootstraps, I wear New Balances. They’re the preferred footwear for training our military because of their performance, and they are the only major athletic shoe that’s still manufactured in the USA. I’m not buying no cheap assed Chinese boots so that the straps break on me.
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
8:54 pm
Rags
Quick follow up…….
Intelligent man like yourself fully understands that being “principled” in itself does NOT make you right on the issues..
But do carry on……… your veil is not has deceptive as you have fooled yourself that it is
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
8:56 pm
Bro
I missed your 8:37 when I posted my reply to Rags………..
You are on the money
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
8:57 pm
LOl brocephus. I only recently found out about New Balance being the only US made tennie shoes. The others are TRYING to get rid of an import tax that will bury New Balance once and for all if it’s eliminated. I wear New Balance because I have Fred Flintstone feet, as wide as they are long, and New Balance is the only company that makes shoes for folks like me.
F chinese footwear.
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
8:58 pm
Bro
Not sure if you saw my post early on when Jay 1st put up this article. Thought of you soon as I read it………..
St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones
May 23rd, 2012
8:59 pm
Enter your comments here
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
8:59 pm
TBS; You actually READ what Rags has to say? Why? That SOB is for slave labor, forced child labor and any other 16th century business practice that comes to mind. He’s a complete……….
Well never mind…….
Brosephus™
May 23rd, 2012
8:59 pm
Gotta lighten up the mood a bit. If you need a good laugh, here’s a practical joke for the ages. I may have to try to pull this one myself….
http://www.wimp.com/disappearingprank/
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 23rd, 2012
9:00 pm
Well, isn’t this just lovely !
“On orders from Barack Obama’s Department of Justice, officials with the University of Arkansas at Fort Smith have given permission for a 38-year-old man to use the women’s restrooms on campus.
The report comes from Campus Reform.org, which explained that the individual also is seeking to have someone pay for a sex reassignment surgery to change from male to female.”
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
9:04 pm
Wow Scout really? Can you twist the facts even MORE? I mean just damn. So you think that President Barack Obama himself gave the order? Are you really that stupid?
Oscar
May 23rd, 2012
9:04 pm
ed ™
May 23rd, 2012
8:57 pm
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Agree with you and Bro on New Balance. They are the only shoes I can get that are wide enough for my feet.
Didn’t know they were made in US. Think I will go out and buy myself a new pair tomorrow.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
9:05 pm
BROSEPHUS
@ 8:59
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
9:07 pm
I see it now:
Mr President, we have an EMERGENCY.
What is it George?
Why Mr. President, there’s this guy in Arkansas that wants to use the ladies rest rooms. He says he will lift the lids and not pee on the seats.
Why George, thatnk you for bringing this matter of international importance to my attention. By all means let him drop trow in the ladies room. Hell, tell him if it’s a dire need he doesn’t even have to lift the lid.
Thanks Scout for this wonderful gem you asshat.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 23rd, 2012
9:08 pm
Freddy :
Now, now ………. calm down. No sense in calling names.
The article says Holder gave the order. Didn’t you read that?
However, under your logic, Obama did not give the order to get old Bin Laden ……… some general did.
Now that said, are you for or against what Holder did ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 23rd, 2012
9:08 pm
Someone give Fred a pill.
Brosephus™
May 23rd, 2012
9:09 pm
Fred
I found out about NB years ago while talking to a LtC from the Army. Once I started paying close attention to where shoes were actually manufactured, that sealed my choice. I’ve always liked Nike running shoes, but I haven’t bought a pair in years. I have some old ones that I still use for running, but my training shoes all have that “N” on the side.
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They BOTH
Yeah, I read it. I’m a big fan of history, so I’m always searching for the motivations behind different things. I was always curious as a teen why I didn’t know any Black Republicans. When you learn that your ancestors were freed by a Republican administration and first held office as Republicans, it’s something to ponder why that’s no longer the case. Mind you, I’m still digging and probably won’t be done for a long time. I want to be able to give my child(ren), if I have more, a complete understanding and knowledge base of her history in this country. My folks didn’t come from Europe, so European history is not something that really interests me. Eventually, I may go back and study African history as well. Right now, I want to know everything AND the reason why people are scared to tell the unmitigated truth about the past.
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
9:10 pm
However, under your logic, Obama did not give the order to get old Bin Laden ……… some general did.
Really Scout? So you are saying that Obama was all curled up in the situation room with the video running when this guy got his first legal piss in the ladies room? Really lol? Just damn……..
Oh and as to reading the article? You didn’t link an article and I can’t think of much that I would be less inclined to go search for than this asshattery of a “story” you allude to……..
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
9:11 pm
Fred
Rags opinions and ideology is a slight wrapped imo, but he is not a dumb guy………..
It is actually funny to read how he opines and thinks his linguistics somehow makes him smarter than others……..
He is big on opining, but in most cases very slow to produce non biased evidence
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
9:12 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 23rd, 2012
9:08 pm
Someone give Fred a pill.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yes please. A pill that insulates me from the blatant stupid that runs rampant here……..
Brosephus™
May 23rd, 2012
9:12 pm
Oscar
I try, whenever possible, to buy American. Right now, our workers need it more than ever.
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
9:17 pm
Here ya go Scout, dedicated to you lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaWt6Vu0evs&list=PL34747F023F11372B&index=19&feature=plpp_video
Brosephus™
May 23rd, 2012
9:18 pm
Fred
You know Omega 3’s protect against dumbing down. Here’s a supply of Omega 3’s that should help you out…
http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsroom/ASnews/images/salmon_3_salmon800.jpg
It will be available sometime this fall. I’ll check with somebody from Alaska Airlines to see if they can fly it down for you.
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
9:18 pm
Bro @ 9:09
Thanks for the reply….. My dad’s father is English and Irish. He came NYC in the in 1918 as a teen (no family with him), but quickly moved to up state NY.
Mom is from Panama. Her grandmother was from Columbia. My great grandmother’s mother was born a slave in Columbia.
Knowledge as you know is power…….. Always seek knowledge and the truth as I can tell you do
Oscar
May 23rd, 2012
9:18 pm
Might want to do some research on google about the legal requirements or lack thereof regarding use of men of women’t restrooms and visa versa.
Last time I checked it is not illegal in Georgia for a person to use a restroom marked for the other sex. It conventional, but not a violation of the law in most states.
Recon 0311 2533
May 23rd, 2012
9:20 pm
Brosephus, the civil war ended a long time ago as did slavery. Segregation ceased in our lifetime now it’s behind us and justly so. We’ve initiated affirmative action programs and in 08 we elected a man of color as president. Now we’re in the 21st. century dealing with issues of our time. I don’t think most people do much less should consider history when deciding who to vote for.