Who’s ‘the party of civil rights’? That’s the wrong question
Kevin Williamson, writing in National Review, expresses contempt and disgust for what he calls “the outright lie, the utter fabrication with malice aforethought” in modern politics. He then proceeds to indulge in something pretty close to the fabrication that he claims to despise.
Williamson’s thesis is that the Republican Party is and always has been the party that fought hardest for civil rights in this country, and that the Democratic Party has been the party that has fought hardest to sustain white privilege. And he is angry that the reputations of the two parties do not reflect what he perceives as historical reality.
“That Republicans have let Democrats get away with this mountebankery is a symptom of their political fecklessness, and in letting them get away with it the GOP has allowed itself to be cut off rhetorically from a pantheon of Republican political heroes, from Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass to Susan B. Anthony, who represent an expression of conservative ideals as true and relevant today as it was in the 19th century,” Williamson writes.
Let’s stipulate that on the narrow terms in which Williamson attempts to define the issue, and within a particular time frame, he has an arguable case. Fifty or 60 years ago, much of the Republican Party did indeed support civil rights reform. That’s why the Rev. Martin Luther King Sr., along with many other black Americans, considered themselves proud Republicans at the time.
Conversely, as Williamson documents well, a very large chunk of the Democratic Party — much of it located here in the South — fought bitterly against civil rights and desegregation and in favor of white supremacy. For years, the Democratic Party in Georgia and elsewhere even conducted “whites only” primaries, meaning that black voters such as King Sr. could not have participated even if they wanted to do so.
But once you get past 1960 or so, that history gets much more complicated. You’ve got GOP presidential nominee Barry Goldwater defending segregation in his 1964 campaign, while President Johnson, a Democrat, fought valiantly for passage of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.
You’ve got George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms, and by 1968 you’ve got Richard Nixon and his Southern strategy. As Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips described the thinking back in 1970:
“The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.”
In other words, trying to debate who deserves the title of “The Party of Civil Rights” can quickly get pretty ugly and confusing. So rather than sink into a morass of charge and countercharge, along with attempts to count the various racists on each side in various eras, let’s simplify things dramatically. Instead of discussing this in terms of Democrats and Republicans, let’s address it in terms of liberals and conservatives.
Looked at that way, the issue crystallizes immediately.
Yes, members of both political parties supported the civil rights movement. They were liberal Republicans and liberal Democrats.
Yes, many Democrats chanted “segregation now, segregation forever”; they were conservative Democrats. And that distinction can be traced through every institution of society.
Liberal churches as a rule supported the civil rights movement, as did liberal Jews and liberal clergy such as Will Campbell. Conservative churches such as the Southern Baptist Convention, on the other hand, bitterly opposed desegregation. When the issue split a denomination, as it did the Presbyterians for a time, it was the liberal faction that supported civil rights and the conservative faction that opposed it.
The liberal NAACP and ACLU pushed Brown v. Board of Education to the U.S. Supreme Court, where the liberal Thurgood Marshall argued the case and found a sympathetic ear in Chief Justice Earl Warren, who was so reviled by conservatives that they launched a long-running campaign to impeach him.
Conversely, conservative political groups such as the John Birch Society routinely condemned the civil rights movement as communist-inspired and -led.
Liberal newspapers in the South — the Greenwood Delta Democrat-Times in Mississippi and the Atlanta Constitution here in Georgia, among a few others — angered many white readers with support for desegregation, while conservative newspapers such as the Richmond News Leader, edited by James J. Kilpatrick, staunchly defended segregation on the grounds that “the Negro race, as a race, is in fact an inferior race.”
“When the Negro today proclaims or demands his ‘equality,’ he is talking of equality within the terms of Western civilization,” Kilpatrick once wrote. “And what, pray, has he contributed to it? Putting aside conjecture, wishful thinking and a puerile jazz-worship, what has he in fact contributed to it? The blunt answer, may it please the court, is very damned little.”
And while liberal media outlets advocated strongly in defense of civil rights, conservative outlets such as Williamson’s own National Review argued just as strenuously that because of the “cultural superiority of white over Negro,” whites were “entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas where [they do] not predominate numerically.”
At this point, let me make it clear that the conservatives of today are not the conservatives of 40 or 50 years ago; I have every confidence that many many conservatives today would strongly repudiate what earlier generations of conservatives espoused. Nor am I attempting to argue that they are permanently stained with the mistakes of their ideological predecessors, because that would be ridiculous.
But let’s also make it clear just what Williamson is attempting to accomplish in his essay. He believes a political legacy is important and useful. He believes that today’s conservatives deserve some vague sort of credit for something that previous conservatives in fact got tragically wrong. He also believes that on issues of race, it is possible to inoculate today’s conservative movement by linking it to a crusade that their ideological forebearers fought bitterly. And history will simply not sustain that claim.
I would further suggest that if today’s Republican Party has “allowed itself to be cut off rhetorically from a pantheon of Republican political heroes, from Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass to Susan B. Anthony,” it is at least in part because today’s Republican Party has not exactly been in a rush to reclaim that part of its heritage.
– Jay Bookman
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josef
May 23rd, 2012
5:56 pm
skipper
The Imam knows full well what a plantation liberal is. He just doesn’t want to admit it.
F. Sinkwich
May 23rd, 2012
5:57 pm
A race blog. Hmmmmmm.
Jay got the DNC memo this morning and has acted on it just like all good “journalists” today should.
What prompted this latest attack on conservatives?
Well, O’bozo lost 40% of the DEMOCRAT vote in Akkansa and Kentucky primaries. Bummer. But there must be a reason for that. Economy killing policies, maybe? Nope.
The White House organ, WaPo, knows why and makes it clear: racism.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/whats-the-matter-with-kentucky/2012/05/23/gJQAMF5hkU_blog.html
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
5:58 pm
Kam
That is my point. He talks a big game, but he never has had any real intentions to leave the Republican Party to be a Libertarian, independent or whatever………. Quit talking, start walking. His followers don’t seem to see that. Oh well, he isn’t going anywhere on the national stage
Plus he loves his “earmarks” a whole lot more than he loves denouncing others for taking them as well
Soothsayer
May 23rd, 2012
5:58 pm
Sure sounds logical to me. I don’t why I didn’t never think of it!
I want my wealth redistribution check!
May 23rd, 2012
5:59 pm
congrats to your son serving the USAF, I served too but in the Army…..i’m not deliberatly trying to tick people off, but the reality is, some of these gov’t programs have created an opportunity for me to live better than I deserve and I don’t have to work for it, is this fair? Is this moral? I literally can gain the system if you will legally, I am doing nothing against the law, not hiding income that I earn to obtain these benefits. So tell me, everything has conseqences, including our tax policy…..I promise you I’m not the only person who figured out this, I won’t be the last. At least I’m not lying when I say I am earning what I earn, unlike the Seattle doctor and his wife who were millionaires but found a way to get 100 thousand in gov’t benefits by lying…..they were caught. I hope the gov’t gets every red cent those people milked welfare from back.
jewcowboy
May 23rd, 2012
5:59 pm
Howdy They BOTH suck,
Doing well. Thanks…and yourself?
“But they do create some noise for better or worse.”
That they certainly do.
“LEAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY……….. That is all he has to do”
Whether Dem or Rep, in my opinion he will always be a fringe candidate.
“A state can decide. We don’t need somebody in Washington. I live on the gulf coast, we deal with hurricanes all the time. The local people rebuild the city. Built a sea wall and they survived without FEMA. We should be like 1900, we should be like 1940 1950 1960.” ~ Ron Paul, calling for the end of FEMA just as Hurricane Irene was slamming the east coast, costing many lives and a lot of damage.
Um…he just lost about 53% of the US population that lives within 50 miles of a coast.
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
6:02 pm
josef
While there are certainly liberals that have played and do play the political game to garner minority votes, etc.
I would have to say that liberals in general have done much more than conservatives in terms of pushing for civil rights.
Not Democrat or Republican, but ‘liberal” and ‘conservative’……. Of course those two words can mean a million different things to a million different people, but generally speaking
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
6:03 pm
jewcowboy
Doing well, thanks. When I mentioned leave the Republican Party, I meant to be a Libertarian or whatever, not to be a Democrat.
He is just running is mouth. He is talking but not walking
Joe Hussein Mama
May 23rd, 2012
6:05 pm
F. Sinkiewicz — “Well, O’bozo lost 40% of the DEMOCRAT vote in Akkansa and Kentucky primaries. Bummer. But there must be a reason for that.”
The challenger in AR didn’t file by the deadline and so can’t win any delegates anyway. As it it matters, since AR is a solidly red state. And so’s KY.
Interestingly, Romney took *less* than 70% of the vote in both AR and KY. So maybe you should ask yourself why a couple of solidly Red states don’t like YOUR candidate, not why a couple of solidly red states don’t like the Democratic candidate.
(laughing)
josef
May 23rd, 2012
6:07 pm
BOTH
Oh, I agree with you on the liberals and their having done more than conservatives in pushing for civil rights. The point I am trying to make is that the term plantation liberal is far more apt a descriptor than many on “my” side would dare to admit…
Jay brings up the Delta Democrat Times and then, when he asks to define a plantation liberal, conveniently overlooks the archtypical such, the Hodding Carter family. I’m not about to even consider downplaying what that family and that paper did at a crucial time in Mississippi’s history, but, as I said about Great Granny “early feminist,” that’s only half the story.
Rightwing Troll
May 23rd, 2012
6:08 pm
“I think it’s interesting that you fail to mention that Strom Thurmond was a Democrat until 1964, and Jesse Helms was a Democrat until the 1970s.”
After that what were they? And why?
Stevie Ray...Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right here I am....
May 23rd, 2012
6:08 pm
Jay,
I didn’t know that so thanks for the thoughtful piece…just wondering does this mean the Jokers and Clowns are arguing over who is nicer to African Americans? Yikes.
I’m still giggling about the fact that 41% of WVA DEM primary vote went to dude incarcerated in Texas and in another state 40% or so voted uncommitted….that’s a bad sign wouldn’t you agree. Also I just heard the CBO is projecting if spending cuts are implemented and the W tax cuts expire, we will double dip….I’m not one that believes the CBO accurate in the long term, but this seems some bogus news for all incumbents if unemployment (HP dropping 27,000 workers BTW) shoots up or the otherwise actual unemployment at 16% moves up….
Moderate Line
May 23rd, 2012
6:09 pm
94% of Northern Democrats voted for the civil rights act. The Democrats who voted against the civil rights act were mostly from the south. 85% of Northern Republicans voted for it. Only 7% of southern Democrats voted for the civil rights act. Also, of the 10 Republicans from the house none voted for the civil rights act. So in reality it was a not a Republican or Democrat breakdown but a Southern vs Northern.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_paradox#Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
However, note in both regions more Norther Democrats voted for it than Norther Republicans.
Also, note more southern Democrats voted for it than southern Republicans.
Now we move ahead 40 years and we now see a Republican party which has more Southerners we would expect the southern bias to move the Republicans as whole below the Democrats. Especially since many Democrats in the south are probably from minority districts whereas that was not the case in 1964.
The argument Kevin Williams makes is easily debunked.
Northern Democrats and Northern Republicans supported civil rights.
Southern Republicans and Southern Democrats did not.
Mark in mid-town
May 23rd, 2012
6:10 pm
One of the consequences of liberals being in control of the news media and academia is that they get to re-write history. Most Southern Democrats from the 1950s and 1960s remained Democrats until the day they died. It was only when whites from the Northeast and North Midwest started to move South in great numbers in the 1950s that much of the South started to shift from majority Democratic Party support to majority Republican support. George Will wrote a column about this back in 2004. Here is a link to that column: http://townhall.com/columnists/georgewill/2004/02/05/regional_politics/page/full/
That Black Guy
May 23rd, 2012
6:11 pm
At this point, let me make it clear that the conservatives of today are not the conservatives of 40 or 50 years ago; I have every confidence that many many conservatives today would strongly repudiate what earlier generations of conservatives espoused. Nor am I attempting to argue that they are permanently stained with the mistakes of their ideological predecessors, because that would be ridiculous.
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Jay, I applaud you for this paragraph, but even without reading the first comment, I would venture to guess that others here will not do the same.
The chance to slander, insult, and “spit on” other Americans (vets, mothers, fathers, gays, LEO’s, firefighters, teachers, disabled, etc) who differ in political opinion is too tempting to pass up.
Cal
May 23rd, 2012
6:12 pm
And how is the dem’s war on poverty going?
For a fourth year in a row, the African-American poverty rate more than doubled that of non-Hispanic white Americans, according to 2010 data released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. At 27.4 percent, the African-American poverty rate also nearly doubled the overall U.S. poverty rate – 15.1 percent.
Equally alarming, the Census Bureau report also revealed that the Hispanic poverty rate increased to 26.6 percent, up from 25.3 percent in 2009. The poverty rate for Hispanic children increased to 35 percent.
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
6:12 pm
josef @ 6:07
Got you. As I stated in my post, there are certainly those that are playing the political game. I call them “limousine liberals”…….
PJ
May 23rd, 2012
6:13 pm
I want my wealth redistribution check! @5:59 pm
There will always be people like you that game the system. Look at Romney, the gov’t bailed out the pension funds of the people who worked at the steel mill that Bain let close. Trash comes out of high places the same as low. And one must be trash regardless of race, gender or economic background to take advantage of a system set up to help the needy and the bankrupted. I sure your pride is enormous.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 23rd, 2012
6:15 pm
“Reverse discrimination” far outweighs old fashioned “discrimination” in today’s America.
We’ve come full circle.
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
6:16 pm
Mark in Midtown
Some good points. With that said 2 of the last 3 RNC chairmen didn’t apologize for the Southern Strategy because it failed in the efforts to cause racial divide and tension in efforts to get Southern White Democrats to start voting Republican.
LBJ didn’t say after signing Civil Rights legislation that the Dems had just lost the south because he thought that the was going to go over well with a percentage of southern white voters.
pogo
May 23rd, 2012
6:16 pm
Moral Equivalency eh Jay? That argument makes anything, no matter how insidious, AOK, doesn’t it? Because no matter how aggrecious the infraction, someone can always go back and say that something equally as bad or worse has been done, can’t they? Gingrich is gone and was always a minor player. Obama is the president of the United States and he has a formidable and menacing campaign machine that can keep any black politician in line ( like he and his congressional leaders Pelosi and Reid did with Healthcare). Of course it wasn’t limited to black politicians then was it? There is a great difference between Gingrich and Obama, isn’t there Jay? And Jay, are you admitting that Obama strong-armed Booker? It certainly seems that you are. I have a great respect for Booker now. I know that he could not stand up to the DNC and Obama though. His political career would have been toast because without them he had no money. They essentially shut up the wayward black man, again didn’t they? And you want to talk about Civil Rights?
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
May 23rd, 2012
6:18 pm
Thanks, Matti. While I just had to woman up, I do realize that there is no hope or help for ignorant misogynists. At age 71, I have dealing with this crap for a lot of years. Sigh!
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
6:18 pm
mark in midtown
I doubt the “liberal media” made this guy say the following
Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman, this morning will tell the NAACP national convention in Milwaukee that it was “wrong.”
“By the ’70s and into the ’80s and ’90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out,” Mehlman says in his prepared text. “Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong.”
What did George Will say about that?
josef
May 23rd, 2012
6:18 pm
BOTH
The limousine liberals are somewhat of the same stripe, but a different subspecies altogether.
Midtown…
@ 6:10
Shhh…al Shariff Imam Torquemada will sling a Yankee Sharia fatwah upside yo pointy lil uppity haid..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 23rd, 2012
6:18 pm
George Will wrote a column about this back in 2004.
Is that the same George Will whose wife dumped all of his belongings in the front yard of their Georgetown home with a note that said, “Take it somewhere else buster”, cause he was banging the daughter of the owner of The Washington Post ?
That George Will?
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
6:20 pm
Did George Will opine on the following?
ch-maligned Republic National Committee Chairman Michael Steele is facing new abuse from fellow Republicans over a speech he made Tuesday at DePaul University. “For the last 40-plus years, we had a ‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South,” he said.
End of the day, I am just glad that overtime enough people have stepped up to do the right thing……. Progress shouldn’t have to be so slow, but yes we as a nation have made much progress
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
6:22 pm
josef
I hear you. Sort of in the same in my book. Not knocking the wealth of anyone, but some of the wealthy liberals are talking more than walking……… like the “plantation liberals”.
Common Sense
May 23rd, 2012
6:22 pm
PJ,
“As well it should. I owe everything to this Country and no sacrifice is too big. Unlike some I’m proud to be an American and every privilege that come with it. And seeing how the Government is the Country I take your statement with pride.”
Being proud to be an American has nothing to do with it. America is NOT the Federal Government.
It’s a good thing you owe everything to them. Because with the debt they have enslaved you with, you will be paying for it dearly.
But ignorance is bliss.
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
May 23rd, 2012
6:23 pm
Okay, should have said, I have been dealing.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
6:24 pm
BOTH
“Progress shouldn’t have to be so slow, but yes we as a nation have made much progress”
Yes, we have. It is why, despite all the bickering a nyanh-nyanh I can remain an optimist…
kayaker 71
May 23rd, 2012
6:25 pm
It is amazing to me how blacks in the North or the South could be so hoodwinked as to think that Democrats really give a damn about their lot in life. Their loyalty has been taken for granted by a very ambivalent Democratic party for generations, however, the black vote usually goes to the Democratic candidate. And when that Democratic candidate is black, he gets over 90% of their vote. It wasn’t until McKinny pushed the envelope that she lost her job, however Cold Cash Jefferson had a loyal following right up to the end, much like Marian Berry. Even now that Je$$ie has found a second girlfriend, I am sure that the persona will not change and he will show up at the next race baiting event, tooting his racial horn. Bottom line…. what has the Democratic party done for the black community except use them at each election and forget about them the next day? Bozo doesn’t give a tinker’s damn about the black people in this country. To him, they just represent votes….. nothing more.
Mandingo
May 23rd, 2012
6:25 pm
Let me help the blog understand………… A black man born in America is a Black American…….. Not a Negro nor an African American. As an American citizen I tend to vote for whoever I want to for whatever reason. Black Americans do not count for enough of the population to elect anyone to become the President of the United States. Minorities which includes Black Americans , Latino Americans , College Educated Americans, Poor Americans and Women as a block can elect someone to become the President. This block of Americans tend to vote Democrat because there is no room under the GOP tent unless you are a white male, a greedy white male, or a slave state white male. There is room AROUND the tent for well paid tokens like Hermain Cain, Allen West and Clarence Thomas.If all eligible votters go to the polls President Obama will be re-elected.
That Black Guy
May 23rd, 2012
6:25 pm
Jay
May 23rd, 2012
5:16 pm
So TDone, you subscribe to the “black people vote Democratic because they’re lazy and like free stuff” argument? They like “living on the plantation,” as you might put it?
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Jay, I took what TDone wrote as saying, *White liberals* want Blacks to stay on the plantation so they can take care and protect Blacks because the *White liberals* feel Blacks protect or take care of ourselves.
barking frog
May 23rd, 2012
6:26 pm
LBJ got Kennedy’s agenda
passed because he needed
the Kennedy liberal vote to
get reelected.
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
6:29 pm
Jay
Please check to see why my 6:28 was hung up.
Thanks
Matti
May 23rd, 2012
6:29 pm
GRTL spokesperson pretends they’re not involved. Now isn’t that special?
http://www.ajc.com/news/ob-gyns-worried-burglaries-1444822.html
You can sneak around, steal stuff, set fires, and bully people, but we know who you are. We know what you did.
Martin Williams
May 23rd, 2012
6:30 pm
Jay, thanks for a serious quick read history lesson and for someone that came to this country in 1975 as a student from West Africa, I see it all over again especially since Obama became president. I have heard a preacher I believe from the State of Colorado praying for the president to have cancer and die. I recently listened to other two preachers from the State of North Carolina preaching about hate. One thing I know Jay is that, all the churhes combined in this country have more revenue than the Federal government and this is also why they all talk all kinds of crazy stuff. It is time for ALL churhes to start paying taxes. You average Americans don’t even know that.
That Black Guy
May 23rd, 2012
6:30 pm
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
5:20 pm
Skipper
Come on down to Inman Park, Chandler Park, etc.
Intown ATL is one of the areas leading the way in metro Atlanta in terms of new residential construction, homes being renovated, etc.
We don’t bite or anything, plus you can get away from those bland chain restaurants that permeate the burbs……
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TBS, wuzzup?
When my sister moves down from NJ, I’m moving to that area (if all you White people haven’t bought up all the houses by then
)
paulo977
May 23rd, 2012
6:30 pm
Doggone
It is religion that should get out of the marriage BUSINESS.
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Well said!
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
6:31 pm
kayaker
I responded to your 6:25 and asked you a question. It is currently hung up for some reason. I will be out for a little while, but looking forward to your reply if the post ever gets out of “purgatory”.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
6:32 pm
FORMAL BLACK GUY
@ 6:25
That’s pretty much the case as I see it. Paternalism is rampant among liberals, and I proudly will call myself one, but that doesn’t mean I can’t see it for what it is inside looking out…
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
6:33 pm
(if all you White people haven’t bought up all the houses by then
)
hahahahahha
I’m Panamanian and White…….. so there is room for you as well……. NO DOUBT.
Cool people from of any race, political affiliation, religion, straight, gay, bi……………. Welcome
“Cool” is the key word
kayaker 71
May 23rd, 2012
6:35 pm
Mandingo, 6:25,
Alan West was elected from a mostly white majority district in Florida. Herman Cain had a huge white following during the campaign and Clarence Thomas is a most respected justice, married to a white wife, BTW. The problem with most people like you is that you cannot condone some who is black being a conservative. Tell me that Condi Rice and Colin Powell were token blacks and sitting “around the tent”. What an asinine statement. Are they just not black enough?
Boris Badnoff
May 23rd, 2012
6:35 pm
Certainly the Democrats are the party of the Big Tent. Where else could you find a woman who is 1/32 Native American who will be the next senator from the state that gave us the Royal Family, The Kennedys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN2FGuYgtlY
The person who founded the Democrat party, Andrew Jackson, was in the forefront of the civil rights movement. He granted permission for his slave manservant, Uncle Alfred, to be buried at his feet. What else could one ask?
Class of '98
May 23rd, 2012
6:36 pm
No mention in the column about who fought against slavery. Christians were the driving force in the abolitionist movement. Christians are almost by defintion “conservatives”.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 23rd, 2012
6:36 pm
Talk about discrimination !!! I want that Notre Dame “FIGHTING IRISH” thing gone right now ! That little leprechaun thing is demeaning to all of us Irish ! Where’s the ACLU ???
Headline: “Oregon outlaws all Native American mascots statewide”
“There will never again be a team called the Braves, Chiefs or Indians in the state of Oregon, after the Northwest state officially outlawed all mascots connected to Native American themes in a State Board of Education meeting.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/oregon-outlaws-native-american-mascots-statewide-202537499.html
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
6:36 pm
TBG
Well I guess I used a nationality and race……
So Hispanic and White………..
To make it simple…….. I have a year around tan
josef
May 23rd, 2012
6:36 pm
IMAM
BTW
“…the Greenwood Delta Democrat-Times in Mississippi…”
Its in GreenVILLE…
josef
May 23rd, 2012
6:38 pm
FORMAL BLACK GUY
Don’t overlook Buckhead…it’s not at all what the stereotype would have you believe…
josef
May 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm
SCOUT
I’d like to see Oregon try that in Florida,,,the Seminole Nation would be all over them in a flash!
When it comes to those names, however, there are those done with respect, the Braves, and those done without, Redskins…
St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones
May 23rd, 2012
6:41 pm
well, the over/under in this office before we saw the sophomoric AM
radio codeword “plantantion” was 4, and we got that.
Poor cons. They don’t get it so bad, they’re becoming a poo-flinging
parody of themselves. This is what its like on their plane of
alternate reality, the self-created world they live in –
1) Ignore the Great Re-Alignment, maybe it’ll go away. At least
our rube base probably doesn’t remember. Education aint their thing.
2) Bootstraps are the true freedum!
3) You’re a racist fer noticing it, dammit.
Now click your little red shoes, cons “there’s no place like home…”
That Black Guy
May 23rd, 2012
6:46 pm
Joseph
May 23rd, 2012
5:30 pm
Cain unfortunatly was attacked and run back on the plantation simply becuase dems wanted to get rid of him. What happen to all those women who came running out of the woodwork to scream sexaul harrassment. You media freaks must have forgotten all about them….
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Joseph, you do realize that you ARE NOT HELPING conservatives/republicians when you spout BS like this, right?
F. Sinkwich
May 23rd, 2012
6:50 pm
Can we just cut to the chase here
josef
May 23rd, 2012
6:50 pm
St Simon’s
Well, YOU are a plantation liberal, after all…
JamVet
May 23rd, 2012
6:52 pm
Let’s not whitewash (LOL!) the past shall we?
The conservatives in this country were dead wrong and for all practical purposes completely on the side of evil in the civil rights era. They, in fact, tried everything they could to stop blacks from gaining any kind of equality.
They deserve NO credit for the advances made then. That this hack Kevin Williamson and the people at the National Review contend otherwise is pure nonsense.
That the conservatives of today cannot admit this, nor come to grips with their still flagging attempts in this matter, is what is of importance.
And why they are essentially the Lily White Party…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 23rd, 2012
6:52 pm
josef:
I hear you …………… but you better tip toe on the “Redskins” thing or since you are a “Whiteskin missing Foreskin” person you had better stay out of the “Blackskins” area because they like that name for their team ……………….
josef
May 23rd, 2012
6:53 pm
BORIS
Let’s see…the Cherokee Elizabeth Warren in the same post with Andy Jackson…and the big tent…hmmm, something there just don’t quite jibe…not exactly sure what it is, but….
kayaker 71
May 23rd, 2012
6:53 pm
The Civil Rights Act, much like the Energy Dept, was supposed to correct a societal and economic problem that demanded the diligence of our Congress and our leaders. Neither has succeeded. We are paying more for gasoline now than we ever have and our dependence on foreign oil is at an all time high. We spend over 23B dollars for an agency that does next to nothing to solve our energy problem. The Civil Rights act has produced two or three generations of welfare dependence, such as the country has never seen. We have taken an ethnic group and turned them into a group of hangers on and government dependent people who can’t think past the next government check. We have more people on food stamps, more aid to dependent children, more subsidized housing, more school lunches, more affirmative action, more welfare checks, more children born to single mothers with no father in the family than every before. We spend billions of dollars each year and for what? That black dude who fathered 30 children with 11 mothers in the past two years is a prime example of the results of the Civil Rights Act. Granted, large strides have been made in education, job equality and respect, especially in the military. However, we are spending record amounts of dollars on the same old thing every year and it just gets worse. But the Democrats will be able to count on that vote in November,,, no doubt about that.
F. Sinkwich
May 23rd, 2012
6:53 pm
Can we just cut to the chase here?
It’s only May and Jay and the rest of the lib ilk media (see my WaPo link earlier) are gonna play the race card every chance they get from now until November.
The meme is simple.
Anyone who disagrees with O’bozo is a racist.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
6:54 pm
SCOUT
“Whiteskin missing Foreskin”
A high-five from the Unmentionable…
josef
May 23rd, 2012
6:57 pm
Kayaker
AND, we have more people…and it seems “those people” are reproducing rather rapidly, being opposed in the main to abortion as a means of birth control…
pogo
May 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm
Jay, how in the heck can you sit and support Obama’s anti-Bain campaign knowing that he is sitting and eating at high-dollar fundraisers with private equity donors? How can you are or any liberal live with yourselves? Either you are willing to be played as fools or you are just mindless sycophants willing to be played by a charlatan. You are not so much different than those that are struggling to pay their bills that send their money to a slickster evangelist.
That Black Guy
May 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm
PJ
May 23rd, 2012
5:44 pm
Thulsa Doom @5:32 pm
Wilie Horton = Maurice Clemmons
Sandra Fluke = Sarah Palin
The Clintons = The Bush’s
You Lie! = Die Quickly
Swift boating = Bush’s NG record falsified by Dan Rather
Just to name a few. = BOTH sides do it.
There are only so many insults that one should have to take. – TRUE. So why not insist that BOTH sides knock it off?
St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones
May 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm
ok, that was funny, both of you
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
6:59 pm
Yo St. Simon’s. Wanna have lunch next Friday? We’ll be at Amelia Island all week and driving back Friday. I’m sure it can’t take THAT long to get from one Island to the other…… It would be me and my daughter (10).
Gator Joe
May 23rd, 2012
7:01 pm
If anyone cares to go to the trouble to do the research, white racism and bigotry have, without interuption, been present in this country’s history from day-1 to the present. The only difference between the modern versions, and those in the past are the way white racism and bigotry are, and were practiced. From slavery and Jim Crow in the past, we now have subtler forms, though some forms today are not so subtle as for example, the attempts to de-legitamize the first President of color.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 23rd, 2012
7:01 pm
Can we just cut to the chase here
Always chase cookies with an ice cold glass of ilk.
That Black Guy
May 23rd, 2012
7:01 pm
CJ
May 23rd, 2012
5:53 pm
Bottom line: If the best you can do is throw out Ron Paul as your evidence that conservatives aren’t racists, then you’ve already lost the debate.
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I’m a modconservative and I’m not racist. Is that possible?
josef
May 23rd, 2012
7:02 pm
jewcowboy
Hey…are you still here…would like your opinion on something…
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
7:04 pm
osef
May 23rd, 2012
7:02 pm
jewcowboy
Hey…are you still here…would like your opinion on something…
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I can answer. He thinks you are a drama queen too lol.
I mean Hi josef, how was your day.
F. Sinkwich
May 23rd, 2012
7:06 pm
“From slavery and Jim Crow in the past, we now have subtler forms, though some forms today are not so subtle as for example, the attempts to de-legitamize the first President of color.”
Lib ilk Gator just proved my point.
Thanks.
St Simons- official approver of E Warren's cheekbones
May 23rd, 2012
7:06 pm
if my 3 yr old gets one more note from school, his name’s
gonna be Knocka-outta.
Normal Free, Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
May 23rd, 2012
7:07 pm
Got into this one late and I can’t stay but I don’t know about the Republican Party being about civil rights, but they sure are all for corporate rights…just saying….
josef
May 23rd, 2012
7:07 pm
FRED
Only when I disagree with him!
My day…? Reams of year-end-paperwork and such, but a pretty good one overall…and yours?
F. Sinkwich
May 23rd, 2012
7:09 pm
Subtle racism = disagreeing with O’bozo.
Got it.
Common Sense isn't very Common
May 23rd, 2012
7:09 pm
Having grown up in Marietta a few blocks from where J.B. Stoner once lived I was always embarassed by his racial stances.
The stupid flowed freely in those days and it took many years to mitigate the damage.
But in the last 10 years I see regressives trying to bring back those ‘good old days’
Gator Joe
May 23rd, 2012
7:09 pm
F. Sinkwich: Lib ilk Gator just proved my point.
What, that you are ignorant of this country’s racist and bigoted past and present?
F. Sinkwich
May 23rd, 2012
7:10 pm
Subtle racism = calling O’bozo O’bozo.
Got it.
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
7:11 pm
So Gator Joe, what are your thoughts on Black racism?
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
7:12 pm
F. Sinkwich
May 23rd, 2012
7:10 pm
Subtle racism = calling O’bozo O’bozo.
Got it.
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No that just shows you are a total talk radio brain washed f’ing idiot without the ability to interact in a rational debate. Nothing racist about stupidity………
kayaker 71
May 23rd, 2012
7:12 pm
Gator Joe, 7:01,
As joseph pointed out the other night, Bozo is an Quadroon. At least you could have held out for the real thing.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
7:13 pm
St Simon’s
You may have heard this bit of spiritualism, but the name thingie brings it up
Little Indian boy asks his grandfather, “Granpaw, why do us Indians have such strange names?”
“I’ll tell you, my son, when you’re born we take you outside and the first thing you hear or see or smell, we name you. That’s why your brother is called Running Deer and your sister is called Singing Dove. But, tell me, why do you ask, Two Dogs F**cking?”
F. Sinkwich
May 23rd, 2012
7:14 pm
“What, that you are ignorant of this country’s racist and bigoted past and present?”
Get help.
Blaming your failures in life on someone else is destructive.
Just trying to help.
Gator Joe
May 23rd, 2012
7:18 pm
Having experienced what Blacks have, and are experiencing they would be justified. I don’t see any evidence of Blacks enslaving whites, excluding whites from the ballot box, donning sheets and pointed hoods to terrorize whites, lynching whites, not allowing whites to live in specific areas. I could go on but it occurs to me, I’m wasting my time with people like you.
Rightwing Troll
May 23rd, 2012
7:19 pm
“Anyone who disagrees with O’bozo is a racist.”
No… Just you and your ilk here…
F. Sinkwich
May 23rd, 2012
7:20 pm
Gator wants reparations.
How much do you want to make you feel better?
Gator Joe
May 23rd, 2012
7:20 pm
I left out something Sink, you are not only ignorant of this country’s history, but you’re just plain ignorant.
Rightwing Troll
May 23rd, 2012
7:21 pm
“Blaming your party’s failures on your successor is destructive.”
Just trying to help…
F. Sinkwich
May 23rd, 2012
7:22 pm
RT says conservatives are racist.
Just like Jay and WaPo!
josef
May 23rd, 2012
7:22 pm
GATOR JOE
So, we are to conclude that racism is strictly a black-white thing? And what about the endemic racism of Blacks against Mexican-Americans, Indians, and Asians? Right up there with the White boys…equality, ain’t it grand…
Gator Joe
May 23rd, 2012
7:22 pm
Gator Joe is white and Hispanic. If reparations were to be made, this country would be getting off cheap. Reparations could never make up for all the suffering experienced by blacks.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
7:23 pm
SINK
Best not bring up reparations…a lot of folks over on the left is agin that…
Me? I’m for the Confederate Veterans Plan for reparations, eh, Brosephus…
Thomas Heyward Jr
May 23rd, 2012
7:24 pm
Civil rights are inherent to EVEN women and children that live in Yemen or Somalia.
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Obama is a murdering monster.
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Ditto his supporters.
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That Black Guy
May 23rd, 2012
7:24 pm
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
6:33 pm
(if all you White people haven’t bought up all the houses by then )
hahahahahha
I’m Panamanian and White…….. so there is room for you as well……. NO DOUBT.
Cool people from of any race, political affiliation, religion, straight, gay, bi……………. Welcome
“Cool” is the key word
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Oh, BELIEVE me I know.
I used to date a lady who lived in the Inman Park area. The summer BBQ’s with half the neighborhood involved were the bomb.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
7:24 pm
GATOR JOE
Don’t them pesky redskin savages get no reparations?
Marc Parella
May 23rd, 2012
7:25 pm
Jay, your blanketed statement that “Barry Goldwater defending segregation in his 1964 campaign, while President Johnson, a Democrat, fought valiantly for passage of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.” shows a woeful lapse of scholarship integrity. Goldwater never defended segregation; instead, he defended individual rights. There is a distinct and a very important difference between supporting segregation as an institution and the right of individuals to associate.
The right to associate is a basic human right. Goldwater Republicans like me support Gay Marriage in the same sentence as we have opposed forced integration. Civil Rights are indeed an important function of the Federal Government and Goldwater’s 1964 speech on the Senate Floor states the government’s responsibility. (Speech available here: http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/jan_2003/when.htm)
In that speech he never supported or championed discrimination. Individual freedom is what Barry Goldwater fought for, when few politicians had the temerity to take on very unpopular but principled positions. I have often believed that Barry Goldwater’s vote on the 1964 Civil Rights Act was among the most-courageous votes in the history of the United States Senate. I believe that because the 1964 Civil Act was a tragedy of policy even if it had been a triumph of will. It has contributed to greater racism and division in our country over the decades since it was passed. What most liberals don’t understand is that a more powerful remedy was already at work in our society to cure the ills of discrimination and racism. The effects of Social Convention were already working to change our culture and the Civil Rights Act stifled the progress made by Social Convention. You and I are not racists, not because of a Federal Law, but because of the conventions of our culture (and possibly our upbringing) strongly discourage racism. The Civil Rights Act harm this process by trying to level the playing field in every aspect of human interaction and thereby created deep resentments that still exist today.
F. Sinkwich
May 23rd, 2012
7:26 pm
Gator is a white Hispanic!!!
Related to Zimmerman are you?
I bet you feel his pain.
saywhat?
May 23rd, 2012
7:27 pm
The National Review has been an embarrassment to for quite some time. They have been a great contributor to turning the phrase “conservative thinking” into an oxymoron. I am not the least bit surprised by the level of deceit, cynicism and outright hackery in the article. Articles in The Onion exhibit more honesty, worth, and even accuracy in their own way than anything printed in NR. What was that principle Jay mentioned where a parody of extremes is almost indistinguishable from the real thing?
JamVet
May 23rd, 2012
7:27 pm
Gator Joe, he is not ignorant. He just plays stupid to perfection. From much practice.
Look, I kinda feel sorry for these so-called conservatives.
Their documented track record over a long period of time, on this matter is flat out horrific.
Their political sires, including in many, many cases their parents and grandparents, were rabid racists. And some of those people are still alive and full of bigoted poison,
And as Jay noted in his excellent piece, these current cons, themselves may not be.
But they sure don’t have the balls to acknowledge the truth about any of this.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 23rd, 2012
7:27 pm
Whatever happened to “forced busing” ?
I guess that one didn’t work ?????