Who’s ‘the party of civil rights’? That’s the wrong question

Kevin Williamson, writing in National Review, expresses contempt and disgust for what he calls “the outright lie, the utter fabrication with malice aforethought” in modern politics. He then proceeds to indulge in something pretty close to the fabrication that he claims to despise.

Williamson’s thesis is that the Republican Party is and always has been the party that fought hardest for civil rights in this country, and that the Democratic Party has been the party that has fought hardest to sustain white privilege. And he is angry that the reputations of the two parties do not reflect what he perceives as historical reality.

“That Republicans have let Democrats get away with this mountebankery is a symptom of their political fecklessness, and in letting them get away with it the GOP has allowed itself to be cut off rhetorically from a pantheon of Republican political heroes, from Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass to Susan B. Anthony, who represent an expression of conservative ideals as true and relevant today as it was in the 19th century,” Williamson writes.

Let’s stipulate that on the narrow terms in which Williamson attempts to define the issue, and within a particular time frame, he has an arguable case. Fifty or 60 years ago, much of the Republican Party did indeed support civil rights reform. That’s why the Rev. Martin Luther King Sr., along with many other black Americans, considered themselves proud Republicans at the time.

Conversely, as Williamson documents well, a very large chunk of the Democratic Party — much of it located here in the South — fought bitterly against civil rights and desegregation and in favor of white supremacy. For years, the Democratic Party in Georgia and elsewhere even conducted “whites only” primaries, meaning that black voters such as King Sr. could not have participated even if they wanted to do so.

But once you get past 1960 or so, that history gets much more complicated. You’ve got GOP presidential nominee Barry Goldwater defending segregation in his 1964 campaign, while President Johnson, a Democrat, fought valiantly for passage of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.

You’ve got George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms, and by 1968 you’ve got Richard Nixon and his Southern strategy. As Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips described the thinking back in 1970:

“The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.”

In other words, trying to debate who deserves the title of “The Party of Civil Rights” can quickly get pretty ugly and confusing. So rather than sink into a morass of charge and countercharge, along with attempts to count the various racists on each side in various eras, let’s simplify things dramatically. Instead of discussing this in terms of Democrats and Republicans, let’s address it in terms of liberals and conservatives.

Looked at that way, the issue crystallizes immediately.

Yes, members of both political parties supported the civil rights movement. They were liberal Republicans and liberal Democrats.

Yes, many Democrats chanted “segregation now, segregation forever”; they were conservative Democrats. And that distinction can be traced through every institution of society.

Liberal churches as a rule supported the civil rights movement, as did liberal Jews and liberal clergy such as Will Campbell. Conservative churches such as the Southern Baptist Convention, on the other hand, bitterly opposed desegregation. When the issue split a denomination, as it did the Presbyterians for a time, it was the liberal faction that supported civil rights and the conservative faction that opposed it.

The liberal NAACP and ACLU pushed Brown v. Board of Education to the U.S. Supreme Court, where the liberal Thurgood Marshall argued the case and found a sympathetic ear in Chief Justice Earl Warren, who was so reviled by conservatives that they launched a long-running campaign to impeach him.

Conversely, conservative political groups such as the John Birch Society routinely condemned the civil rights movement as communist-inspired and -led.

Liberal newspapers in the South — the Greenwood Delta Democrat-Times in Mississippi and the Atlanta Constitution here in Georgia, among a few others — angered many white readers with support for desegregation, while conservative newspapers such as the Richmond News Leader, edited by James J. Kilpatrick, staunchly defended segregation on the grounds that “the Negro race, as a race, is in fact an inferior race.”

“When the Negro today proclaims or demands his ‘equality,’ he is talking of equality within the terms of Western civilization,” Kilpatrick once wrote. “And what, pray, has he contributed to it? Putting aside conjecture, wishful thinking and a puerile jazz-worship, what has he in fact contributed to it? The blunt answer, may it please the court, is very damned little.”

And while liberal media outlets advocated strongly in defense of civil rights, conservative outlets such as Williamson’s own National Review argued just as strenuously that because of the “cultural superiority of white over Negro,” whites were “entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas where [they do] not predominate numerically.”

At this point, let me make it clear that the conservatives of today are not the conservatives of 40 or 50 years ago; I have every confidence that many many conservatives today would strongly repudiate what earlier generations of conservatives espoused. Nor am I attempting to argue that they are permanently stained with the mistakes of their ideological predecessors, because that would be ridiculous.

But let’s also make it clear just what Williamson is attempting to accomplish in his essay. He believes a political legacy is important and useful. He believes that today’s conservatives deserve some vague sort of credit for something that previous conservatives in fact got tragically wrong. He also believes that on issues of race, it is possible to inoculate today’s conservative movement by linking it to a crusade that their ideological forebearers fought bitterly. And history will simply not sustain that claim.

I would further suggest that if today’s Republican Party has “allowed itself to be cut off rhetorically from a pantheon of Republican political heroes, from Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass to Susan B. Anthony,” it is at least in part because today’s Republican Party has not exactly been in a rush to reclaim that part of its heritage.

– Jay Bookman

490 comments Add your comment

ramguy68

May 23rd, 2012
4:52 pm

Well all you have to look around us today….it’s not Rush or Fox leading the civil rights charge.

Common Sense

May 23rd, 2012
4:58 pm

That’s because it went from civil rights to extra rights, ramguy.

Michael

May 23rd, 2012
5:00 pm

Herman Cain is the only african american loved by the Tea Party, I am pretty sure. But I might be off by one or two.

InAtl

May 23rd, 2012
5:00 pm

Jays says: “But once you get past 1960 or so, that history gets much more complicated. You’ve got GOP presidential nominee Barry Goldwater defending segregation in his 1964 campaign, while President Johnson, a Democrat, fought valiantly for passage of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. You’ve got George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms, and by 1968 you’ve got Richard Nixon and his Southern strategy. As Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips described the thinking back in 1970″

I think it’s interesting that you fail to mention that Strom Thurmond was a Democrat until 1964, and Jesse Helms was a Democrat until the 1970s.

TDone

May 23rd, 2012
5:00 pm

The Democratic Party is nothing more than a bunch of plantation liberals and poverty pimps. If rascism and bigotry were to go away, most would be out of a job.

The Repblicans want equal opportunity for all. While the Democrats want equal outcome for everyone. That my friend is impossible to achieve.

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

May 23rd, 2012
5:00 pm

Yawn….It’s the old ‘Conservatives are racists’ arguement, except it has no basis in fact.
Facts are things liberals don’t know about because they are terminally stupid.

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
5:01 pm

Please Common Sense, at least look up the definition of civil rights before posting something like that…

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

May 23rd, 2012
5:02 pm

Nobody pimps race more than liberals…It’s the only way the gain any ground. Nothing has to make any sense so long as you slap a race tag on it, it’s good to go.
Democrats – The party of empty slogans and race baiting…No wonder your symbol is an ass.

Doggone/GA

May 23rd, 2012
5:03 pm

” think it’s interesting that you fail to mention that Strom Thurmond was a Democrat until 1964, and Jesse Helms was a Democrat until the 1970s”

WHOOOOSH…the sound of the point being entirely missed.

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
5:04 pm

Common, are gay rights also “extra rights?” That’s been the conservative line of argument on gay rights all along, that they’re asking for “special privileges,” has it not?

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
5:05 pm

And TDone, a little help here: Please define “plantation liberal”.

Common Sense

May 23rd, 2012
5:05 pm

Please Jamvet, I know the definitions. I also know what Affirmitive action turned into I know what preferential treatment is.

Grow up and acknowledge they went beyond civil rights.

Some of us cannot be a bit more equal if you want to promote civil rights.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:05 pm

Bro has done a great job several times discussing the changes of each Party from pre civil rights until today……

He has spoke about the migration of voters, etc.

Over time both Parties deserve some blame for attempting to keep the “status quo” and both deserve some credit for stepping up to the plate…….. in reality it is the individuals, past and present, more than the Party affiliation

Matti

May 23rd, 2012
5:05 pm

Meanwhile, the War on Women (and physicians) marches on all around us:
http://www.ajc.com/news/cobb/fire-breaks-out-at-1444668.html

I have numerous Democratic girlfriends who are always up for the battle to preserve our rights. (We’re not done, so don’t get too comfy Mr. Becker.) I love my Republican girlfriends too! They’re always up for a shopping trip and drinks. We fight to preserve their rights too, even when they won’t.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:06 pm

“Nobody pimps race more than liberals”

And your stats are from where? I can easily post as much race baiting from the right as you can from the left……….

Let me know when you wish to start

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
5:07 pm

Common Sense, it appears that you do no know the definition, and why you won’t post it.

Good luck in trying to convince yourself otherwise though.

No wonder you try to move onto Affirmative Action so quickly…

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:07 pm

Matti @ 5:05

That is too funny

Bud Wiser

May 23rd, 2012
5:07 pm

You gotta love Bookman citing LBJ as a ‘civil rights hero’.

The same LBJ, by the way, that was reported to have said ““I’ll have those ni**ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years”, by his own limo driver.

You left wingers make it so easy to point out your feckless stupidity, I have to laugh out loud when I read some of your “reasoning”.

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:07 pm

Extra rights. Damn and I missed out. Must have been too busy getting my education, getting a career, getting married, raising our children and now looking forward to retiring in about 10 years to receive my share. Also all my family and friends will be surprised to hear this news.

getalife

May 23rd, 2012
5:07 pm

Non violent, civil rights movements still works today for change.

The gop are running out of Americans to discriminate against but they should remember they will be the minority one day.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
5:08 pm

…it is at least in part because today’s Republican Party has not exactly been in a rush to reclaim that part of its heritage.

It’s not hate, it’s heritage.

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:09 pm

InAtl @5:00 pm

They were slow learners.

Common Sense

May 23rd, 2012
5:10 pm

Jay, are you talking about civil rights, or gay rights?

The two are quite different. Marriage should not be endorsed by the government at all. Which is why you have the problem with “gay rights” in the first place.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:10 pm

“to point out your feckless stupidity,”

You must not have any mirrors in your house?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
5:10 pm

The “plantation” card.

That’s a tell.

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:11 pm

At this point, let me make it clear that the conservatives of today are not the conservatives of 40 or 50 years ago; I have every confidence that many many conservatives today would strongly repudiate what earlier generations of conservatives espoused.

If only.

Today’s conservatives today are the conservatives of 50 years ago. As far as I can tell, they’re still trying to gut or neuter portions of the Civil Rights Act–including numerous pieces of legislation passed to depress minority voting in response to their faux outrage about nonexistent voter fraud. Unfortunately, when it comes to equal rights for blacks, this is the tip of the iceberg.

Also, there’s fundamentally no difference, for example, between earlier fights for equality for women and blacks, and today’s fight for equality for those within the LGBT community. We can’t choose our sexual orientation any more than we can choose our skin color. But that doesn’t stop conservatives from seeking to deny others equality based on this characteristic. Of course, just like yesteryear, they use the Bible to justify their hatred of anybody who isn’t like themselves.

I wish it weren’t so Jay, but conservatives haven’t progressed much. It may seem like it, because their adept enough to pick their battles. But as Yogi Berra would say, it’s déjà vu all over again…and again…and again.

Common Sense

May 23rd, 2012
5:12 pm

Don’t worry PJ, it you are really successful, the government will step up and take credit for your success, citing how they helped you out.

And if you deny it, they will chastise you for it.

It’s a nifty little system that they have set up.

skipper

May 23rd, 2012
5:12 pm

Jay,
Yeah, extra rights does about sum it up. Look at the cluster Atlanta has become….

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
5:12 pm

“Marriage should not be endorsed by the government at all.

Well, that’s certainly not the conservative position, Common. Romney and his fellow Republicans advocate a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman, and that’s about the farthest you can take government involvement in an issue.

Matti

May 23rd, 2012
5:13 pm

Non violent, civil rights movements still works today for change.

The Georgia Misogynists are setting fire to clinics and breaking into offices to steal doctors’ personal information. Why do you supposed THEY resort to crime and fear to effect the kind of “change” they want? Can we really oppose them effectively with peaceful, rational, methods?

Hmmm….

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:13 pm

correction: ..because [they're] adept enough to pick their battles…

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
5:13 pm

I live in downtown Atlanta, Skipper. It’s been a great place to raise my kids. So what’s your point exactly?

Doggone/GA

May 23rd, 2012
5:14 pm

““Marriage should not be endorsed by the government at all.”

Wrong. Marriage is, and always has been, a LEGAL contract. It is religion that should get out of the marriage BUSINESS.

TDone

May 23rd, 2012
5:14 pm

Jay, a plantation liberal is a person of the caucasian persuasion, who talks a good game about civil rights, but in reality has very low expectations of people of color. Thus, he/she thinks and believes blacks can’t make it in the world without their help and support, anyone who shows they can operate without the help and support of the plantation is unqualified, and finally is not really comfortable among black people. Plantation liberals believe are better off staying on the plantation so they can feel good about themselves. They feel black folks can’t make it in the real world and thus need government and liberal help and support. The come out most often around eleection time. I know they concept is hard for many to understand, but black people know what I am talking about. We are used to it.

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
5:15 pm

The city of Atlanta is thriving, actually. Homes still being built; property values holding up better than most places. A lot of in-migration.

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
5:16 pm

So TDone, you subscribe to the “black people vote Democratic because they’re lazy and like free stuff” argument? They like “living on the plantation,” as you might put it?

pogo

May 23rd, 2012
5:17 pm

It is really hard to say who is the champion of civil rights, isn’t it? Is making an entire population of people beholding to a certain political party to the point that if they venture outside of that party and its beliefs or if they disagree with that party in any way (as Booker did recently) then they are considered as traitors to championing civil rights? Who exactly is the real champion here? A call was made to Booker and he was reigned back in by the pro-Obama democratic machine. Is that freedom? Is that civil rights?

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:18 pm

TDone,

I’m a liberal, and I can tell you that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Your 5:14 is one of the most nonsensical inferences of liberal positions that I’ve encountered.

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
5:19 pm

Pogo, what happened to Booker on Bain is exactly what happened to Gingrich on Bain. Same thing exactly, they got reined back into the party line.

Trying to explain it in terms of race is pretty silly

jewcowboy

May 23rd, 2012
5:19 pm

Common Sense,

“Jay, are you talking about civil rights, or gay rights? The two are quite different.”

Not according to the NAACP.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:20 pm

Skipper

Come on down to Inman Park, Chandler Park, etc.

Intown ATL is one of the areas leading the way in metro Atlanta in terms of new residential construction, homes being renovated, etc.

We don’t bite or anything, plus you can get away from those bland chain restaurants that permeate the burbs……

MrLiberty

May 23rd, 2012
5:20 pm

Only Ron Paul is speaking out for the protection of Civil Liberties. Only he voted against the Patriot Act, the NDAA, the Military Commissions act and every other modern day assault on the civil liberties of ALL americans. Jay, you of course are ignorant and painting with a broad brush again. Ron Paul absolutely thinks that government should get out of the marriage business and openly acknowledges that the constitution allows no role for the Federal Government in defining marriage, etc. The ONLY role for government is to uphold legal contracts between individuals (regardless of who they are or how many). Only Ron Paul speaks out against the RACIST war on drugs which overwhelmingly impacts people of color despite the fact that the vast majority of drug users are white. He is also the only one speaking out loudly for the abolition of the TSA – who violates everyone’s civil liberties day in and day out.

The RIGHT question to ask is why do NEITHER the republican or democratic party leadership and most of their rank and file care at all about civil liberties anymore? And why does the only candidate who does get so much grief about promoting freedom and liberty in a country that was supposedly founded on those principles??

Ennis

May 23rd, 2012
5:21 pm

I’m a fiscal conservative, but a liberal social person. I don’t exactly fall in line with any of the parties today. But I will say this: The republicans have it wrong about not taxing the wealthy. The money to run this country has to come from somewhere. I also believe that the guvment has spent too much money on social issues that will never be resolved in the deep deep hearts of whiteys and “those people” Why can’t people look at a issue and not bring deep seated religious or racial hatred (yes, black people do have hatred) and find the right solution. This divide (in my opinion) is what is gonna make this country into a 3rd world climate within the next 25 years or so..

Liberal Chicks are UGLY

May 23rd, 2012
5:22 pm

War on woman…LOL! Idiot.

Jefferson

May 23rd, 2012
5:22 pm

What happened to the “party of Lincoln” ?

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 23rd, 2012
5:22 pm

Jay, I have to tell you that I find Liberal Chicks Are Ugly’s blog name VERY offensive. Just so you know.

barking frog

May 23rd, 2012
5:22 pm

Kennedy/Nixon. Sea change
for both parties. Liberals
went democratic. Conservatives went Republican.

lovelyliz

May 23rd, 2012
5:23 pm

“Yes, a liberal Republican, Senator. What happened to them? They got run out of your party. What did liberals do that was so offensive to the liberal party? I’ll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things every one. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, ‘Liberal,’ as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won’t work, Senator, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor”

MrLiberty

May 23rd, 2012
5:23 pm

Most importantly for Ron Paul, he believes that everyone has rights because they are an individual, NOT BECAUSE THEY BELONG TO SOME SPECIAL, PRIVILEGED GROUP. Good luck with that concept at your next democratic party gathering (or republican for that matter).

skipper

May 23rd, 2012
5:23 pm

APS (unless you are on of the few lucky ones at one of the FEW decent schools) is a prime example, Jay, but I digress…….there has been mistreatment, etc, in the past but the inner city ‘hood mentality seems to be kinda prevelant….and this is a bad example when more and more AA’s are realizing, like Cain, that good things can happen.

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:24 pm

Mr. Liberty,

Are you talking about the wrong Paul who published the following in his newsletters?

*”Racial Violence Will Fill Our Cities” because “mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified in stealing from mostly white ‘haves.’ ”

*Another letter said “I think we can assume that 95 percent of the black men in that city [Washington] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

*An August 1992 edition of the Ron Paul Report labeled former Rep. Barbara Jordan (D) of Texas “the archetypal half-educated victimologist,” according to the Houston Chronicle.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2011/1229/Racist-newsletter-timeline-What-Ron-Paul-has-said

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
5:25 pm

Jay, I have to tell you that I find Liberal Chicks Are Ugly’s blog name VERY offensive.

Best to simply ignore crap like that.

An insult is like strong drink or poison — it can only affect you if you accept it.

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:26 pm

Common Sense @5:12 pm

As well it should. I owe everything to this Country and no sacrifice is too big. Unlike some I’m proud to be an American and every privilege that come with it. And seeing how the Government is the Country I take your statement with pride.

MrLiberty

May 23rd, 2012
5:26 pm

Jefferson – Lincoln supported sending all of the blacks back to Africa and would have kept slavery active throughout the union if it hadn’t been politically expedient to side with the abolitionists and use the slavery ploy as a way to win support and to cover his unconstitutional war. Just read his inaugural address and it is very clear where he stood on civil rights.

Soothsayer

May 23rd, 2012
5:26 pm

Well, Jay’s done it again! He’s done kicked over that “race” anthill. It wouldn’t surprise me none if Redneck Convert don’t come on here and have a jumpin’ up and down hissy fit about this!

“[W]hat has he in fact contributed to it?” He picked all that cotton didn’t he?

I want my wealth redistribution check!

May 23rd, 2012
5:27 pm

I long for the day we live as Martin Luther King Jr. stated about being judged by the content of our character and not be the color of our skin, or what diety we worship, or who we love.

I was asked in an earlier blog if I was joking or being satirical about a net worth tax on billionaires and those who made a 100 million or more and no I’m not. I used to be very conservative in thought until one day I was really pondering the political landscape and the political realities and I discovered that if I choose to be a liberal, I have more to gain. See, I am a person in a family with 6 people and I make less than 29,000 dollars a year, that places me well under the poverty rate, because of that I am able to get a rather large tax return check every year, has been 4000 dollars should be more now that I have 4 children, I get over 400 in food stamps and when Obama care is found constitutional, there is no fine for those under 150% of the poverty level, I can get enrolled in Medicaid and pay very little or nothing for my health care, now I pay over 100 every two weeks for excellent care but wheter my company drops insurance (due to the fact the fine is less than what it cost them to ensure my and my fam) or I choose not to continue I can just enroll in medicaid off of people who work really, really hard. I make good choices in spending, have no vices like smoking or excessive drinking so I don’t have to work hard and I can have a good middle class lifestyle with out the middle class income or paying middle class or higher taxes. So go ahead, raise taxes on the rich, I don’t give a flying flip. I make off better and I don’t have to work hard to provide for my family, instead, I take money from someone else…..

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:28 pm

skipper

Not sure if you are aware, but there are numerous successful AAs just like Cain and they feel at home in the Democrat Party.
yes they are executives, own businesses, etc

Do they all like everything Dems do? Certainly not

Do all conservatives and right of center indivduals regardless of race like all that goes on in the Republican Party? certainly not

While not a Cain fan, I think it is great that he does provide an opposing view

Joseph

May 23rd, 2012
5:28 pm

Giving away free stuff using tax payer money is not civil rights Jay. That is simply the only reason the democrap party has a hold on the black community.

Generation$crewed

May 23rd, 2012
5:29 pm

Seems both sides had people who have and continued to stick up for cival equality.

However it does seem that liberals have went out of their way to “make-up” for past inequality, by giving what appears to be advantages based soley on ones race/ethnicity. How does that represent equality?

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:29 pm

“Facts are things liberals don’t know about because they are terminally stupid.”

I thought you were not a liberal…………

hahahahaa

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
5:29 pm

I make off better and I don’t have to work hard to provide for my family, instead, I take money from someone else…..

There’s your sign.

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
5:29 pm

This one will go over like a lead balloon.

:)

Joseph

May 23rd, 2012
5:30 pm

Cain unfortunatly was attacked and run back on the plantation simply becuase dems wanted to get rid of him. What happen to all those women who came running out of the woodwork to scream sexaul harrassment. You media freaks must have forgotten all about them….

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:30 pm

Soothsayer,

Jay didn’t kick over the anthill. Kevin Williamson at the National Review did.

If conservative columnists are going to write pieces fabricating history about their roles in opposing civil rights, then it’s incumbent upon the fact-based community to set the record straight.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:31 pm

Bro

Like the “Led Zeppelin”

Straight down

Thulsa Doom

May 23rd, 2012
5:32 pm

“it is at least in part because today’s Republican Party has not exactly been in a rush to reclaim that part of its heritage”

Would you mind elaborating further and explain what it is that the Republicans can offer minorities today that they don’t already have? Do they have full voting rights? How about access to educational and job opportunities through affirmative action and protection against discrimination via the laws of the land? We also have various social welfare and safety net programs to aid and help not just minorities but white America also. So what exactly is it that Dems offer so much of that Rs don’t and what is it that Rs should do better?

jewcowboy

May 23rd, 2012
5:32 pm

Joseph,

“Giving away free stuff using tax payer money is not civil rights Jay. That is simply the only reason the democrap party has a hold on the black community.”

Using that same logic, it would explain why corporate leviathans have the Republican’s tied up so pretty in their pockets. Archer Daniels Midland anyone?

http://www.theonion.com/articles/corporatewelfare-recipients-are-they-eating-steak,672/

Soothsayer

May 23rd, 2012
5:33 pm

I want my wealth redistribution check! I hope you lose your job or livelihood and have to actually live the life that you (pathetically) parody. Be careful what you wish for.

Only the “good job” stands between you and poverty.

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:34 pm

“Cain unfortunatly was attacked and run back on the plantation simply becuase dems wanted to get rid of him”

What a stupid comment? Cain was in a Republican Primary and was ahead or close in the polls. Seems that a few men named Romney, Gingrich and Santorum had much to gain by him being gone

And every day he can still be heard providing right wing talking points on WSB

When you have a least a little bit of fact, please come see me

jewcowboy

May 23rd, 2012
5:35 pm

Thulsa Doom,

“So what exactly is it that Dems offer so much of that Rs don’t and what is it that Rs should do better?”

Acceptance?

MrLiberty

May 23rd, 2012
5:35 pm

CJ – I see you are one of the many who completely ignore 30 years of solid, principled voting record over some publications that everyone admits he personally never wrote. So how is Obama’s record on civil liberties lately? Just how many american citizens has he murdered without due process (2 actually that we know of), how may individuals will rot away in a cage somewhere with no due process, how many medical clinics will be raided because he does not respect a state’s right to legalize a medically-useful plant, how many innocent Yemenis, Pakistanis, Somalis, Libyans, Iraqis, Afghanis, Syrians, etc. have died because of his actions?

I don’t know who wrote those pieces or why they slipped through the editing process, but I know how Ron Paul has voted and I know that Obama cares nothing for civil rights or civil liberties and neither does Romney. I know that Ron Paul cares about everyone’s rights, regardless of their race, religion, gender, etc. but I also know that he does not support SPECIAL rights for anyone because to do so would violate the rights of others.

ODD OWL

May 23rd, 2012
5:36 pm

All the racist segregationists left the Democrats party and joined the Republican party way back in the 60’s and the 70’s… There aren’t any white citizen council members, Klan memebers, skin heads, Aryan nation, neo-cons or tea party members in the Democrat party… All of them are members of the Republican party… Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Phoenix, Arizona has become the face of the Republican Tea party…

josef

May 23rd, 2012
5:36 pm

IMAM

” Please define “plantation liberal”.”

The Hodding Carter ramily immediately comes to mind…

The APS today, only it’s now Jaime Cuervo…

Otherwise…
A pretty good analysis…but we might ought to start with the truth about the GOP and civil rights back at the turn of the last century…who gave us Plessy v Ferguson and Williams v Mississippi, the Dawes Commission, the Hawaiian Invasion, the Spanish American War,,,?

Hmmmmmmmm

May 23rd, 2012
5:36 pm

CJ wouldn’t know a fact if it hit him/her upside the head….

I really can’t believe we are wasting yet another day talking about this issue….

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:37 pm

Those pieces were published with Ron Paul’s knowledge and permission. He supported the racial comments in subsequent interviews by references “studies.” Read the article, Liberty.

GT

May 23rd, 2012
5:38 pm

These missionaries for hate, Jessie Helms and Strom Thurmond only belonged to the Democratic Party in the 60s along with Herman Talmadge and Lester Maddox, because the Republican Party was the party of Abraham Lincoln who freed the slaves. After the war the black slaves would run for office as Republicans. You then got this freak southern section of the Democratic Party who totally abandon any support to the party as a whole. They wouldn’t even come to the airport to meet most of the national candidates for office in their own party. They had tremendous power in the Congress because they understood the seniority system, Dick Russell has the senate office building named after him, but they were a state without portfolio in the party.

I remember watching National Democratic Conventions as a kid and seeing southern delegates walking out of the conventions because the party wanted to support civil rights. Some angry beer belly greasy looking duck tail in a cheap short sheaves shirt and black thin tie would shove some reporter like Dan Rather a couple of rows back as he stormed out of the place. George Wallace stood at the door of the University of Alabama as a Democrat defying another Democrat the president of the United States John F. Kennedy. If you wait up one morning and find yourself in bed with Thurmond, Maddox, Talmadge and Wallace realized you are not in a elite crowd.

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
5:38 pm

I must confess that watching the meltdowns of UGLY, TDone, skipper, wanter and Joseph is mildly amusing.

Keep it up fellows, I’m making some popcorn!

jewcowboy

May 23rd, 2012
5:40 pm

MrLiberty

May 23rd, 2012
5:40 pm

jewcowboy – you are absolutely correct. Just another reason why Romney is basically the same as Obama and why Ron Paul was the standout in the race. He is the only one who has spoken out against the corporatist/fascist state of affairs that exists in government (both parties) when it comes to political favors using tax money to buy votes from either specific interest groups or business groups. Bottom line, both the dems and the republicans are corrupt in this sense.

The reason both parties fear Ron Paul so much is that he actually IS different from them. Arguments like yours don’t hold water up against him. Dems buy off black and hispanic voters with other people’s money, republicans buy off military industrial/prison/security state voters with other people’s money, and Ron Paul votes against ALL of it, never has any lobbyists visiting his office and everyone know’s he can’t be bought. Who else is right for the White House???

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 23rd, 2012
5:41 pm

Yeah, Kam, I know you are right, but …. Okay, but just DAMN. So I will add add him the ignore list. Sigh!

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
5:42 pm

If conservative columnists are going to write pieces fabricating history about their roles in opposing civil rights, then it’s incumbent upon the fact-based community to set the record straight.

Agreed.

The conservatives can run, but they cannot hide…

The civil rights movement, once a controversial left-wing fringe, has grown deeply embedded into the fabric of our national story. This is a salutary development, but a problematic one for conservatives, who are the direct political descendants of (and, in the case of some of the older members of the movement, the exact same people as) the strident opponents of the civil rights movement.

It has thus become necessary for conservatives to craft an alternative story, one that absolves their own ideology of any guilt. The right has dutifully set itself to its task, circulating its convoluted version of history, honing it to the point where it can be repeated by any defensive College Republican in his dorm room.

Kevin Williamson’s cover story in National Review is the latest version of what is rapidly congealing into conservatism’s revisionist dogma.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/05/conservative-fantasy-history-of-civil-rights.html

I want my wealth redistribution check!

May 23rd, 2012
5:42 pm

I’m not mocking the middle class lifestyle, I love it, I have a a home, two older vehicles that run and are paid for, I’ve figured quit fighting liberals in gov’t who continue to give out money like candy and just take it since they insist on giving it away.

Dash

May 23rd, 2012
5:42 pm

You unfortunately miss the point Common Sense. The participants of the Civil Rights Movement neither advocated for nor received extra rights. They only asked for equality, and equality did not magically occur when Supreme Court ruled in Brown v. Board of Education and/or signed the Civil Rights Act. These civil rights landmarks did not erase 250 years of prior humiliation and discrimination. It takes time to overcome generational oppression. More importantly, it takes policies that ensure the creation of an environment where everyone – majority and minority – have an opportunity to succeed.

Soothsayer

May 23rd, 2012
5:42 pm

MrLiberty: on many issues, I am with Ron Paul. But if you look at everything he stands for, it’s impossible for a Progressive to vote for him.

Julia

May 23rd, 2012
5:43 pm

Jay, you are a far better person than I to be able to deal with this day in and day out. My hat is off to you!!

jewcowboy

May 23rd, 2012
5:44 pm

But maybe minorities don’t join the GOP in droves simply because they are uppity. Right Rush?

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:44 pm

Thulsa Doom @5:32 pm

Wilie Horton comes to my mind when I think Republican. Sandra Fluke. The Clintons. You Lie! Swift boating. Just to name a few. There are only so many insults that one should have to take.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
5:45 pm

…I’ve figured quit fighting liberals in gov’t who continue to give out money like candy…

There’s your sign.

Matti

May 23rd, 2012
5:45 pm

G Mare 71 @ 5:22,

I agree, but I’m sure his person is even more so. People who are secure in their own skin don’t need to say ugly things about another person’s appearance to feel better about themselves. Only a truly lonely, not-a-chance-in-heck kind of man says those things about women. Bless his heart!

jewcowboy

May 23rd, 2012
5:47 pm

MrLiberty,

“The reason both parties fear Ron Paul so much is that he actually IS different from them.”

Just a personal opinion, but I don’t think someone who has polling number south of Argentina is actually inspiring fear into either party.

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:47 pm

“…if [Ron] Paul were elected, there’s a good chance that whoever did write them, or others with similar views, would wind up in a position of power in the US government. Paul would likely draw staff from organizations like the confederate-sympathizing Mises Institute. Who knows what other crackpots he’d put in positions of authority? Even if we assume Paul himself doesn’t have a racist bone in his body, the fact remains that he doesn’t seem too upset about racists working for him. And if it took Rep. Paul 5 years to notice what his racist ghostwriter was writing in his personal newsletter, how long would it take President Paul to notice racist policies being pursued by his attorney general?”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timothylee/2011/12/22/it-doesnt-matter-if-ron-paul-is-racist/

Soothsayer

May 23rd, 2012
5:47 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

May 23rd, 2012
5:49 pm

Doom — “So what exactly is it that Dems offer so much of that Rs don’t and what is it that Rs should do better?”

A lot less demagoguing, and you’re an example of that very behavior, Mr. She Paid With Food Stamps And She Was Driving A Caddy. :roll:

They BOTH suck

May 23rd, 2012
5:50 pm

jewcowboy

Whats up man? Hope all is well.

Good post @ 5:47. Paul’s followers are passionate, no doubt, however they do not understand how small in numbers they are in terms of the big picture.

But they do create some noise for better or worse.

While I don’t agree with many of his stances on issues, my main problem is that he talks a big talk about both Dems and Repubs. LEAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY……….. That is all he has to do

PJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:50 pm

I want my wealth redistribution check! @5:42 pm

Well maybe freedom is free. I’ll let my son know when he gets back from his 3rd tour in four years serving in the USAF.

GT

May 23rd, 2012
5:51 pm

The real story is we are still taking race decades later like it is a fresh subject. I really thought we had buried this junk. I must admit when I see a black Republican I stare a little, trying to see if he is a white guy with makeup.

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:52 pm

Ron Paul’s non-answer about his racist attitudes towards black Americans during the New Hampshire GOP debate was a classic evasion. It was also a virtual admission of guilt.

Akin to a man on trial for murdering his wife–but who insists on talking about how he is a good father–Ron Paul is unable to explain away the racist screeds in his newsletters, opposition to honoring Dr. King with a national holiday, and belief that the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 should be overturned because black folks’ freedom is an imposition on white people’s liberty.

His name was on the masthead of a newsletter which has repeatedly featured racist editorials; he cashed the checks from the subscribers to this newsletter; he believes that Civil Rights legislation is tyrannical towards whites; white supremacists have endorsed his works; his son, also an elected official, shares the same attitudes about sacrificing the full citizenship of black Americans to a “higher principle.”

http://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/2012/01/logical-fallacy-of-defending-ron-pauls.html

CJ

May 23rd, 2012
5:53 pm

Bottom line: If the best you can do is throw out Ron Paul as your evidence that conservatives aren’t racists, then you’ve already lost the debate.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 23rd, 2012
5:54 pm

LEAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY……….. That is all he has to do

And probably never be re-elected in Texas again.

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
5:56 pm

Kam at 5:45.

As noted earlier, the epitome of useful tools.

And guys like him explain why the ten poorest states in the nation are all…………………….. you guessed it, Republican.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m18vz8H8pc1qz4sr8o1_400.jpg