News flash! Obama most frugal president since Ike
From the Marketwatch column at the Wall Street Journal:
“Almost everyone believes that Obama has presided over a massive increase in federal spending, an “inferno” of spending that threatens our jobs, our businesses and our children’s future. Even Democrats seem to think it’s true.
But it didn’t happen. Although there was a big stimulus bill under Obama, federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since Dwight Eisenhower brought the Korean War to an end in the 1950s…..
Over Obama’s four budget years, federal spending is on track to rise from $3.52 trillion to $3.58 trillion, an annualized increase of just 0.4%.”
The column makes many of the points made on this blog in the past. For example, it points out that when Obama took office in 2009, the fiscal 2009 budget year was already four months underway, driven by spending and revenue programs put into place under President Bush.
If we rank spending increases for presidential budgets since 1980, it looks like this:
Reagan, 1982-85: Annual increase of 8.7 percent
Reagan, 1986-89: Annual increase of 4.9 percent
Bush I, 1990-93: Annual increase of 5.4 percent
Clinton, 1994-1997: Annual increase of 3.2 percent
Clinton, 1998-2001: Annual increase of 3.9 percent
Bush II, 2002-2005: Annual increase of 7.3 percent
Bush II, 2006-2009: Annual increase of 8.1 percent
Obama, 2010-2013: Annual increase of 1.4 percent
(It should be noted that in the interest of fairness and accuracy, the above numbers attribute increased 2009 spending from the Obama stimulus to Obama, who initiated it and signed it into law, rather than to Bush. That’s why the annual increase in the chart — 1.4 percent — is higher than the 0.4 percent mentioned in the column excerpt.)
I understand that this data strike directly at the heart of the GOP caricature of Obama. They contradict the foundation of the conservative rant against this president, not to mention the idolatry directed at Ronald Reagan. And since the data cannot be rebutted — the plain numbers are there for all to see — they will simply be ignored lest millions of heads explode simultaneously.
In that light, I thought I would close with this last little bit of data from the Wall Street Journal article:
“After adjusting for inflation, spending under Obama is falling at a 1.4% annual pace — the first decline in real spending since the early 1970s, when Richard Nixon was retreating from the quagmire in Vietnam.
In per-capita terms, real spending will drop by nearly 5% from $11,450 per person in 2009 to $10,900 in 2013 (measured in 2009 dollars).”
– Jay Bookman
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I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
May 23rd, 2012
2:51 pm
If you like business, you’ll like Texas…..If you want to lay around all day, smoke dope, go to a rally to protest something, and wait for the government to take care of you….Texas ain’t for you stevie.
Peter
May 23rd, 2012
2:52 pm
Steve.. Please about Romney being a bad governor……
Really does a track record matter to the GOP ? Really now, didn’t Bush just about bankrupt every organization he lead before becoming President ?
He then bankrupted the United States……and of course now the GOP is the only answer to getting the ship corrected…… HA HA HA !
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2012
2:52 pm
How in the world did you find that?
A few months after the hilarity ensued, someone else here had linked it, and I thought “no way I’m going to let that timeless morsel slip away”–so yes, I’m petty enough that I saved the link.
By the way, “Nothing is Free” was way more pious and full of himself than this “I’m a liberal” dipstick. If it’s actually the same guy, I think there’s been some serious inhalent abuse or suchlike.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
May 23rd, 2012
2:53 pm
Boy, Obama was prepared and toned to be POTUS….Geez………
Peter
May 23rd, 2012
2:54 pm
What a SILLY Statement…….If you like business, you’ll like Texas…..If you want to lay around all day, smoke dope, go to a rally to protest something, and wait for the government to take care of you….Texas ain’t for you Stevie.
Please tell us a state where you can sits around all day and smokes dope, and do business ? And really do business that makes real money.
By the way isn’t Texas going broke ?
Steve
May 23rd, 2012
2:55 pm
(queue in the banjos again)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 23rd, 2012
2:56 pm
By the way, “Nothing is Free” was way more pious and full of himself than this “I’m a liberal” dipstick.
If it isn’t NIF, my money is on CommieAJC
barking frog
May 23rd, 2012
2:57 pm
Adam
I believe Drain the swamp(NIF) was none other
than our own Jm .
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2012
2:58 pm
Krispy Kreme or Dunkin Donuts? It is important.
(ir), If you prefer plain glazed, you’re not going to like the answer, methinks.
AU Liberal in ATL
May 23rd, 2012
2:58 pm
I haven’t met a republican yet who would let a fact like this get in the way of his hatred.
Ted
May 23rd, 2012
3:01 pm
Haven’t called out the coward Mike Luckovich in awhile who can dish it out, but not take it. I don’t agree with Bookman often, but he takes comments. No difference in editorial cartoons versus editorials.
AU Liberal in ATL
May 23rd, 2012
3:02 pm
Texas ain’t for me either. Since I haven’t committed any crime, Rick, the Christian, Perry might execute me.
(ir)Rational
May 23rd, 2012
3:03 pm
sfd – I don’t do plain glazed (but Krispy Kreme does have much better plain glazed that DD), but for me, DD is the correct choice.
AU Liberal in ATL
May 23rd, 2012
3:04 pm
Get real Teddi. Mike Luckovich is no coward. I don’t see your full name and address published in the paper, Coward.
barking frog
May 23rd, 2012
3:07 pm
(ir)Rational
Krispy Kremes are made to
be eaten. Dunkin Donuts
are made to be dunked
then eaten.
(ir)Rational
May 23rd, 2012
3:07 pm
sfd – Although when I was a freshman at Tech, the people in the Krispy Kreme on Ponce knew me. Like, I would walk in, they would say hi, and start getting my usual together. If they were out of something that comprised my usual, they would make suggestions on what they thought I would like. Come to think of it, that would explain my freshman 25.
(ir)Rational
May 23rd, 2012
3:09 pm
barking frog – Krispy Kremes exist for the fresh, warm, plain glazed donuts. Dunkin Donuts exist for their Bavarian Creme donuts. MMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2012
3:11 pm
yeah, DD is the way to go if you want a dizzying choice of fillings/toppings, but when push comes to shove and I had to pick one doughnut over any other, I’d go with KK plain glazed.
Come to think of it, that would explain my freshman 25.
That’s yer story, and yer stickin to it!
OBIWAN
May 23rd, 2012
3:11 pm
It is all how you present the numbers, but liberals don’t know how to understand that. The truth is he has spent more in 3 years than the previous 200 years. But don’t let that fact confuse you libs. Bottom line you should NEVER spend more than you make, but such common sense has been missing in our government for years. Here is another little fact, congress and the senate has voted in an 8% increase in the federal budget, during the Clinton years, so if they do nothing then the federal budget goes up 8%…. and that happens no matter what the economy is doing. Pretty lame bunch of losers we have elected…
barking frog
May 23rd, 2012
3:11 pm
(ir)Rational
Different but both delicious.
Brosephus™
May 23rd, 2012
3:11 pm
Normal
Vader is sooooo jacked and added to my collection. Thanks for your contribution.
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Madmax @ 2:31
You have me quite confused. I don’t think you have any understanding of the post that you’re responding to. My post @ 1:04 was in response to someone trying to change the topic of the debate of Jay’s essay. Nowhere did Jay or anybody else state that Obama reduced spending. The poster I was responding to was arguing the fact that Obama had not reduced spending which means he had constructed his own strawman and was giving it the Jason Voorhees.
Maybe you should go back and read my posts to better understand MY true position. That way you don’t appear so confused. As it stands now, I don’t know how your post relates to anything I’ve stated on this thread. I welcome the engagement in logical, reasoned debate, so anytime you wish to talk things, I’m all ears….
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dB
Hard to believe that it’s been more than 2 years since that happened.
curious
May 23rd, 2012
3:12 pm
“Jay can see what color underwear you have on.”
Who wears underwear, anyway?
massachusetts refugee thug
May 23rd, 2012
3:12 pm
back as a freshman in college in 1970, all us youngans (sp?) would go to the DD i ndowntown Manchester NH, buy a dozen, the watch the blinking sign – DUNKIN. DONUTS. DUNKINDOUNUTS. good times…
(ir)Rational
May 23rd, 2012
3:13 pm
barking frog – Now I feel the need to go to Dunkin Donuts.
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2012
3:14 pm
The truth is he has spent more in 3 years than the previous 200 years.
JC on a pike, nobody is this freaking stupid, right?
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2012
3:15 pm
Seriously, OBIWAN, who home-schooled you? the gerbil?
Brosephus™
May 23rd, 2012
3:15 pm
But don’t let that fact confuse you libs. Bottom line you should NEVER spend more than you make, but such common sense has been missing in our government for years.
You spoke the truth there dude!!! You should never spend more than you make. Likewise, if you want to keep your service afloat, you never intentionally cut your revenue stream while trying to add additional services. The GOP apparently doesn’t understand that concept, and they’re supposed to be the party that knows and understands how to run a business. Unbelievably pathetic!!!!
TGT
May 23rd, 2012
3:17 pm
Bigger News Flash!: “Pro-Choice” Americans at Record-Low 41%–Americans now tilt “pro-life” by nine-point margin, 50% to 41%
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2012
3:18 pm
Bottom line you should NEVER spend more than you make
and this… for crap’s sake, we’ve carried some kind of debt in the US since they wore powdered wigs.
And I’m sorry, maybe it wasn’t the gerbil. Maybe some very clever parrot.
Brosephus™
May 23rd, 2012
3:18 pm
Even Bigger News Flash!!: I can’t refute Jay’s thesis, so I’ll deflect to abortion.
Brosephus™
May 23rd, 2012
3:19 pm
dB
That was really mean to the gerbil. His tests are hard to pass. I think you should appologize to the gerbil.
Tight5
May 23rd, 2012
3:19 pm
What’s a budget?
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2012
3:19 pm
TGT, you go find me a poll that shows a majority of Americans wants to re-criminalize abortion (instead of some meaningless labeling campaign–ooh, “pro-life” sounds NICE! I wanna be one a’ those!”) and maybe you’ll have something to crow about.
You’ll never re-criminalize abortion. You know that, right?
242 more days
May 23rd, 2012
3:21 pm
Dear Hussy,
It seems you didn’t understand my comment. I was just showing that the CBO does make mistakes, how coincidentally the revision came after the vote, there could not be any political influence on that, could there be?
Doggone/GA
May 23rd, 2012
3:25 pm
“JC on a pike, nobody is this freaking stupid, right?”
Judging by the number of times that gets posted, there are LOTS of them that stupid
Doggone/GA
May 23rd, 2012
3:26 pm
“But don’t let that fact confuse you libs. Bottom line you should NEVER spend more than you make”
That’s right! Never borrow money for land, a house, a car, a vacation. NEVER BORROW MONEY. /snarc
(ir)Rational
May 23rd, 2012
3:27 pm
sfd – JC on a pike, nobody is this freaking stupid, right?
You would be surprised. The stoopid is strong…everywhere.
(ir)Rational
May 23rd, 2012
3:29 pm
Doggone – Land, houses, and cars yes. Vacations? Seems like a bad, bad idea to me.
Adam
May 23rd, 2012
3:29 pm
BTW, was there even a side conversation about Cory Booker the other day? I found it NAUSEATING that the left jumped on him so harshly. It leads me to believe the left really has become complacent thanks to the absolute extreme nuttiness of the right. Thanks, guys….
(ir)Rational
May 23rd, 2012
3:35 pm
Adam – I want to say it was mentioned a couple of times, but no one bit. I didn’t even know what they were talking about when they mentioned it, and had to read about it later, but like I said, I do think it was mentioned.
Madmax
May 23rd, 2012
3:36 pm
Bro – I think I understand your post – you were trying to support Jay’s position that Obama is frugal. That’s BS and you know it. The man has added more to the deficit in his short time in office than any other president so your position that he was changing the goal posts was wrong. As I and others have said, he started with an abnormally high spending year. Why not compare all of them on the same basis, say use Ike’s as base and just adjust for inflation instead of taking the prior spending levels as gospel? Then we can see how theycompare to Ike. It really doesn’t matter but Jay’s assertions are totally misleaing. What really matters is that we are racking up 1.3 – 1.7 trillion a year more in debt every year. That’s the real problem and this president has done nothing to address it. Yeah, and don’t give me ” but Bush wars, Bush tax cuts, Bush economic collapse, obstructructionist GOP, etc. “.
He ran for the job, he got the job, now he needs to do the job. In his words….”The fact that we are here today to debate raising America ’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America ’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “…the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 23rd, 2012
3:36 pm
Vacations? Seems like a bad, bad idea to me.
I’d borrow to go to London during EPL and UCL group stage to catch a couple of Chelsea games.
And yes, I know that Chelsea is coming here for the summer and the closest place they’re playing is Miami, but I’ve been to exhibition games and they’re fun to watch but nothing is on the line and it’s unlimited substitution
josef
May 23rd, 2012
3:39 pm
I don’t understand economics.
I like Krispy Kreme
I like Texas
I miss NIF.
One more day, and then it’s break time (in theory…)
Recon 0311 2533
May 23rd, 2012
3:39 pm
Looks Jay’s blog is the only place that Nutting’s article got any play. Not much of a news flash.
williebkind
May 23rd, 2012
3:40 pm
“It leads me to believe the left really has become complacent thanks to the absolute extreme nuttiness of the right. Thanks, guys….”
The nuttiness of the right? Check out the left’s new picture of S E Cupp. Then we will discuss nuttiness or vile.
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2012
3:40 pm
I found it NAUSEATING that the left jumped on him so harshly
er… really?
You think a supposedly astute politician (and everything I’ve heard from Booker in the past leads me to believe he is quite astute) drawing equivalence between criticism of Bain capital and rehashing “God Damn America” might not be jump-worthy?
Don’t get me wrong–he’s perfectly entitled to make a case that private equity firms can serve some worthy societal purpose–but in the context of bitching about what’s acceptable political discourse, I think he, as they used to say, pulled a boner.
(ir)Rational
May 23rd, 2012
3:41 pm
Kam – I almost think you have a point there. Not completely convinced though. The Mrs. would never let me get away with borrowing to go on vacation (well, not since the honeymoon, which incidentally enough, I had planned to go to London to see the Gunners, then we decided to go to Rome instead).
jm
May 23rd, 2012
3:45 pm
frog 2:57 nope
barking frog
May 23rd, 2012
3:46 pm
Jm
must be getalife then.
Peter
May 23rd, 2012
3:48 pm
Steve….because they don’t want to dig in this current President’s total unpreparedness for office…. And boy, it shows.
WOW. does being an alcoholic to the point you have to quit, and a cocaine user, and a bankrupt-er of business, mean you are prepared to be president ?
That is the qualifications Bush Jr had.. did you vote for that guy ?
Suppport 999!!!
May 23rd, 2012
3:48 pm
Jay Bookman……. WHAT planet are YOU living on????
OK, you can have your facts and I’ll STICK to mine!!
morerightthanyou
May 23rd, 2012
3:52 pm
back and forth…amazed with all the facts and righteous bloggers here from both sides, that the solutions are so hard to find….i know!!!its Bush’s fault…Obama’s fault….i think i would start with life time politicians who got lost…pelosi, reid, holder, barney, dodd….to name few
Peter
May 23rd, 2012
3:53 pm
Some of the most amusing stuff written on this blog is about TEXAS.. and since they are in a deficit…..I guess that is exactly how the GOP want things to go…and these folks on the board are proud of it.
Wait — Texas? Wasn’t Texas supposed to be thriving even as the rest of America suffered? Didn’t its governor declare, during his re-election campaign, that “we have billions in surplus”? Yes, it was, and yes, he did. But reality has now intruded, in the form of a deficit expected to run as high as $25 billion over the next two years.
Imagine saying that Texas is the place to be ?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/07/opinion/07krugman.html
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
May 23rd, 2012
3:56 pm
Ask a straight man, “How do you like your women?” and it’s unlikely he’ll answer, “Dumb and sleepy.” But according to new findings, these characteristics—and any other traits suggesting that the lady isn’t particularly alert—are precisely what the human male has evolved to look for in a one-night-stand.
hehehehe
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 23rd, 2012
3:57 pm
(ir)Rational
The difference is, I don’t have a Mrs. to convince or fight about it with.
In 2003, I went to Philly to see the Beat play Philly, then saw Man U. play Barca (when I bought the ticket in Feb. Spice Dad was still playing for Man. U. and Ronaldinho was playing for PSG. By the time of the game in Aug., Beckham had gone to Madrid and Ronaldinho had signed for Barca). I left Philly and traveled to San Jose to see the Beat play the Cyber Rays.
I don’t regret one moment of that trip and it was all on the credit card.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2012
4:01 pm
“You wanna talk about sleight of hand??? How about shifting goalposts…”
There’s no shifting goalposts when it comes to bringing up a statistical anomaly from the increase in spending from 08 to 09 that changes the big picture and presents a skewed picture. If people can’t understand that then I can’t help them.
“Nobody’s claiming that Obama reduced spending. The article states that the rate of spending growth is slower.”
Yes. It is. And I explained why its a misleading picture as did others.
“That doesn’t matter regardless to what kind of one year increase happened prior.”
Actually it does since such an significant rise of 18% from the year before then skews the overall picture going forward.
“No president has spent less in their last year than what they spent in their first year in recent history, so the whole trying to count 2009 as some anomality is false logic.”
No. Its not. Not when your starting point is a year which just saw an 18% increase in spending from the year before.
“You’re trying to argue that Obama has not reduced spending, but you’re jousting that Burning Strawman in doing that.”
No strawman. You’re just ignoring an enormous statistical anomaly that skews the whole picture because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
” The whole debate is on the slowing down of the rate of spending increases. When you can disprove that, then you’ll convince me of your point. Otherwise, you’re fighting a debate that nobody’s having.”
And when you can acknowledge an obviously flawed picture based on skewed stats then I’ll take your statistical analysis more seriously. And don’t think I didn’t notice that you failed to address the fact that spending per capita has risen or that government spending as a % of the economy has risen substantially. And I think any fair minded person would agree that those are far more credible measures of govt spending.
BTW if Alabama scores 62 points against the hapless Duke defense and then proceeds to average 31 pts a game the rest of the season does that mean the offense is then in a scoring slump?
PJ
May 23rd, 2012
4:01 pm
Peter @3:48 pm
That was a good one.
And @3:53 pm
Remember the Alamo
(ir)Rational
May 23rd, 2012
4:01 pm
Kam – Well, I guess there are benefits to not having a Mrs. then. I will hit up Emirates one day for a game though. I’m going to try and swing it so that I can see them take on Chelsea or ManU so I can maybe see a REALLY good game.
Jm
May 23rd, 2012
4:03 pm
Jay is Bill Murray
Reliving groundhog day
Over and over
josef
May 23rd, 2012
4:03 pm
PJ
“Remember the Alamo”
The one at Hwy 80 and Raymond Rd in South Jackson… ?
williebkind
May 23rd, 2012
4:03 pm
Peter
May 23rd, 2012
3:48 pm
I voted against Kerry and Gore. You leftist keep getting more extreme with your candidates.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
4:04 pm
THULSA
Have you been picked on by al Shariff yet?
USMC
May 23rd, 2012
4:04 pm
“Jay Bookman……. WHAT planet are YOU living on????
OK, you can have your facts and I’ll STICK to mine!!”
I believe Comrade Bookman hails from the Planet Claire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47YAcpCa5dM
bookman parrot
May 23rd, 2012
4:04 pm
i always thought Obama was a closet Republican. LOL.
williebkind
May 23rd, 2012
4:08 pm
Jm
May 23rd, 2012
4:03 pm
Be gentile towards Jay, he has so little to work with.
George P. Burdell
May 23rd, 2012
4:09 pm
The feds under Obama’s watch have spent over 24% of GDP compared to 19.51% for Bush and 19.40% for Clinton. To call him the most frugal president since Ike is disingenious and clearly ignoring the fact that the huge spending increases meant to deal with the recession have covered him for modest spending increases. With the increase in spending we saw in 2008 and 2009, we should fully expect actual decreases in spending in subsequent years. Instead, we have to hear how frugal Obama is while the country continues the steady path towards insolvency.
Scooter
May 23rd, 2012
4:12 pm
Well good, now The Obama can lead Congress on reforming entitlements before they bankrupt us.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2012
4:13 pm
josef,
I’m sure he’ll get to me sooner or later. If I see him singling me out for no apparent reason given the level of other vitriol that regularly goes on then I’ll simply point it out to him again. All I’m asking for from him is some consistency in accusing folks of putting up posts solely “to get a rise out of people”. After I left yesterday I came back and saw a regular poster who posted 5 or more straight posts whose sole purpose was just to get a rise out of someone. In the name of consistency the poster’s silliness if not outright rudeness called for admonishment.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2012
4:15 pm
Well said Mr. Burdell. That about sums it up.
pogo
May 23rd, 2012
4:17 pm
Stimulus went way beyond a trillion. And Jay seems to think that that money doesn’t count. One thing is for sure, it was mostly thrown away.
What is great about this election is this time around, the more vicious and mean that Obama and his campaign get, the less people like them. They can’t talk about what they have done for the country (cause they have done nothing) so all they have left is vitriolic political attacks. Meanwhile, Romney travels and quitely hammers away at the issues and he is continuously rising in the polls. Obama is losing this election and the more people see of him and his smear machine the more tired they are of him and it. Axlerod must be pulling what little of his hair that he has left out. Personnally, I wish Obama was on the TV every night giving a speech. He has become a victim of his own narciscissim.
Billybob
May 23rd, 2012
4:19 pm
hey jay,
here’s a fun fact for you…..in three states now over 40% of the dems who voted in the pres primary have voted against obama…..one being a felon in prison…..the moderate dems and the reagan dems have left obama and the radical leftist wing that controls their party and this gov’t…..don’t worry, conservative republicans will win big again in nov and will actually do some good things next year when they have the gavel in the senate and the ACTUAL ‘do nothing congress’ led by harry reid will not be allowed to do nothing anymore……all the leftists and axelrod have left is marketing campaigns and division and i will enjoy the citizens wholly rejecting that this fall jay……what will you write then?
JamVet
May 23rd, 2012
4:22 pm
Cons have the backbone to turn on their chosen one(s) – reason why the clown Bush II left office with a 20% approval rating.
What made up nonsense!
The neocons still ADORED the (W)orst Ever in January 2009.
To the tune of a 75% approval rating.
Bush mainly has members of his own party to thank for the fact that he is ending his presidency with an approval rating above 30%. Republicans’ approval of him rose from 67% in mid-December to 75% in the current poll (January 2009) — their highest rating of Bush in nearly a year.
Miltie, do you even care that you post such easily disprovable b*llsh*t?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113770/bush-presidency-closes-34-approval-61-disapproval.aspx
Apparently, once a fake conservative, always a fake conservative
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
4:22 pm
BillyBob
Are those states, ones that show him leading or trailing Romney? Did he win any of those states during the last election? I don’t know, that is why I am asking
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 23rd, 2012
4:23 pm
If I see him singling me out for no apparent reason…Shorter Doomy: Poor poor pitiful me.
Soothsayer
May 23rd, 2012
4:24 pm
War is good for business. And so it defense spending. Therefore, you have to “grease the wheel” a little bit to get things done in Congress. Here is a listing of the biggest contributors to Congress among defense contractors.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 23rd, 2012
4:24 pm
(ir)Rational — “Dunkin Donuts”
You mean Drunken Gonuts?
(ir)Rational
May 23rd, 2012
4:25 pm
JHM – I don’t care what you call them, they’re still my number one choice (probably the least Southern thing about me).
josef
May 23rd, 2012
4:26 pm
willie
“Be gentile towards Jay, he has so little to work with”
Does that mean me and ZamVet don’t have to… ?
josef
May 23rd, 2012
4:27 pm
Dunkin Donuts? Depends…some good pastries (not the doughnuts, though), but about the best coffee…
Joe Hussein Mama
May 23rd, 2012
4:28 pm
Timestamp — “It seems you didn’t understand my comment.”
I understood it just fine. I don’t *agree* with it.
“I was just showing that the CBO does make mistakes”
I didn’t *say* that the CBO was without mistakes, now did I? There is, however, a big distinction between the data I presented and the mistake you presented. If you want to *refute* the data I presented, then you’re going to have to do it *with* the data I presented, not with something else I didn’t even bring up.
“how coincidentally the revision came after the vote, there could not be any political influence on that, could there be?”
Who cares? If you think there’s something wrong with my data THEN PROVE IT instead of casting your political bulldada doubting Thomas act on the board, Cowboy.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2012
4:28 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 23rd, 2012
4:23 pm
If I see him singling me out for no apparent reason…Shorter Doomy: Poor poor pitiful me.
josef,
Speaking of the poster who rarely has anything of substantive debate value to add but would rather just take potshots to try and get a rise out of people.
Adam
May 23rd, 2012
4:28 pm
(ir)Rational: I had two responses to the Cory Booker thing. 1) as I mentioned a sort of “is this what the left has become” moment and 2) I am pretty sure this is an example of someone who WON’T get a primary challenge just because he was off message, unlike much of the right when they make the same mistake.
(ir)Rational
May 23rd, 2012
4:29 pm
josef – I like their Bavarian Creme donuts and the fact that they serve Mt. Dew (okay, my preference for Pepsi could be less Southern than my preference for DD). Everything else, I can do without.
Peadawg
May 23rd, 2012
4:29 pm
CNN Headline: “Hewlett-Packard to reduce its workforce by 27,000 by October 2014. Earnings topped the company’s estimates. ”
If earnings topped company estimates…why the hell are the cutting 27,000 jobs?
josef
May 23rd, 2012
4:30 pm
THULSA
Gloria sic transit?
Joe Hussein Mama
May 23rd, 2012
4:31 pm
TBS — “Are those states, ones that show him leading or trailing Romney? Did he win any of those states during the last election? I don’t know, that is why I am asking”
They’re red states, and no, he didn’t. So the figures are a complete red herring.
(ir)Rational
May 23rd, 2012
4:32 pm
Adam – That’s why I’ve disowned the parties. I vote for the person I think would be the best candidate. I was trying to convince a couple of posters here of that the other day, and then that they should help me out by giving me a reason to vote for one candidate or the other, but they didn’t take the bait. The man is untouchable in Newark anyway. I’m just guessing that is, I mean, if the mayor of Atlanta ran into a burning building and carried out someone that was trapped inside, I would vote for him.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
4:32 pm
irRational
Not much of a coke drinker myself, but when I do, I want a Coke. Had one today at work, first time in I couldn’t tell you when…it was good…I like DD’s chocolate eclaires…
Joe Hussein Mama
May 23rd, 2012
4:33 pm
Peadawg — “If earnings topped company estimates…why the hell are the cutting 27,000 jobs?”
ZOMG OBAMAS FAULT
HE H8S JOB CREAT0RZ
(ir)Rational
May 23rd, 2012
4:34 pm
Pea – Just a guess, but even if the earnings topped their estimate, they could have still earned less than they needed to keep all those workers on. Just a guess.
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
4:35 pm
JHM @ 4:31
That is what I thought. It might mean something if it were a state that he is supposed to win or a swing state. Outside of that it is talk radio blather.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2012
4:37 pm
Peadawg,
All sorts of reasons they may have had great earnings that may have nothing to do with their core business. They may have just sold off a division and reaped the earnings. Who knows? We would have to look closer inside the company to see what’s really going on.
PJ
May 23rd, 2012
4:39 pm
Billybob @4:19 pm
Did you take elocution lessons from Redneck Convert?
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
4:40 pm
ir(Rational): If you get a chance, read up on Corey Booker.
PBS ran a special about him when he 1st ran for mayor. He lost that time.
He had an upper middle class up bringing (parents were execs at IBM). He went to Standford and played football. I believe he was in the private sector and decided to get into politics. Moved into a bad area of Newark. Won a seat on the city council and of course now he is the mayor.
While Newark as a long long way to go. He seems to be doing a pretty good job.
Very interesting story
bman
May 23rd, 2012
4:43 pm
Peadawg .. .. Did you read the latest news on Dell? In addition, several large tech firms are warning about slower growth. On CNBC, they say that the job cuts will put the company back to where it was in 2010 (employees).
pogo
May 23rd, 2012
4:44 pm
So in Arkansas and Kentucky if the democrats would have put Bullwinkle on the ticket against Obama, the moose would most probably have won (and rightfully so)! And imagine those vice-presidential debates! Biden wouldn’t have a chance against Rockey as the cartoon squirrel was much, much smarter than the addled parasite of the people Biden. In two or three weeks Romney will name his vice-president. And then the game is really going to be on.
(ir)Rational
May 23rd, 2012
4:45 pm
TBS – I did some research on him a few weeks ago when I saw the story about him pulling the woman out of the burning building. I thought that was pretty cool. I mean, I don’t see too many mayors doing that.
josef
May 23rd, 2012
4:46 pm
POGO
“In two or three weeks Romney will name his vice-president. And then the game is really going to be on.”
Which is when I’ll start paying attention…
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 23rd, 2012
4:47 pm
Billybob @4:19 pm
Did you take elocution lessons from Redneck Convert?
Hey! If I’d a learned him, he would of done a better job.
They BOTH suck
May 23rd, 2012
4:49 pm
pogo
Just hope he doesn’t pick another “Snowbilly”…….
For all the fan fare that many on right gave her, she did very little in to garner moderate and independent votes