News flash! Obama most frugal president since Ike

From the Marketwatch column at the Wall Street Journal:

“Almost everyone believes that Obama has presided over a massive increase in federal spending, an “inferno” of spending that threatens our jobs, our businesses and our children’s future. Even Democrats seem to think it’s true.

But it didn’t happen. Although there was a big stimulus bill under Obama, federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since Dwight Eisenhower brought the Korean War to an end in the 1950s…..

Over Obama’s four budget years, federal spending is on track to rise from $3.52 trillion to $3.58 trillion, an annualized increase of just 0.4%.”

The column makes many of the points made on this blog in the past. For example, it points out that when Obama took office in 2009, the fiscal 2009 budget year was already four months underway, driven by spending and revenue programs put into place under President Bush.

If we rank spending increases for presidential budgets since 1980, it looks like this:

Reagan, 1982-85: Annual increase of 8.7 percent
Reagan, 1986-89: Annual increase of 4.9 percent
Bush I, 1990-93: Annual increase of 5.4 percent
Clinton, 1994-1997: Annual increase of 3.2 percent
Clinton, 1998-2001: Annual increase of 3.9 percent
Bush II, 2002-2005: Annual increase of 7.3 percent
Bush II, 2006-2009: Annual increase of 8.1 percent
Obama, 2010-2013: Annual increase of 1.4 percent

(It should be noted that in the interest of fairness and accuracy, the above numbers attribute increased 2009 spending from the Obama stimulus to Obama, who initiated it and signed it into law, rather than to Bush. That’s why the annual increase in the chart — 1.4 percent — is higher than the 0.4 percent mentioned in the column excerpt.)

I understand that this data strike directly at the heart of the GOP caricature of Obama. They contradict the foundation of the conservative rant against this president, not to mention the idolatry directed at Ronald Reagan. And since the data cannot be rebutted — the plain numbers are there for all to see — they will simply be ignored lest millions of heads explode simultaneously.

In that light, I thought I would close with this last little bit of data from the Wall Street Journal article:

“After adjusting for inflation, spending under Obama is falling at a 1.4% annual pace — the first decline in real spending since the early 1970s, when Richard Nixon was retreating from the quagmire in Vietnam.

In per-capita terms, real spending will drop by nearly 5% from $11,450 per person in 2009 to $10,900 in 2013 (measured in 2009 dollars).”

– Jay Bookman

813 comments Add your comment

Mick

May 23rd, 2012
7:42 am

Aha…knew it all along!!!

JohnnyReb

May 23rd, 2012
7:45 am

Of course, the Republican House has nothing to do with this.

stands for decibels

May 23rd, 2012
7:45 am

I understand that this data strike directly at the heart of the GOP caricature of Obama.

Keep striking. We might just pull through this rough patch of Extra Stoopidity.

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 23rd, 2012
7:46 am

JAY,

IMO, this certainly speaks volumes for GOP rhetoric…how do you see the deficit at around 16 trillion and increased by a ton under President Trillions? Not sure which is best measure….I wonder what the numbers under W would have been if he didnt pass that crap prescription bill and hastily attack IRAQ…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 23rd, 2012
7:47 am

Saints preserve us….from the Wall Street Journal?

When did they become anti-capitalist, socialist, kenyan,
dog eating book cookers?

How’d I miss that?

stands for decibels

May 23rd, 2012
7:47 am

Of course, this whole “spending Baaaaaad” bleating from the skimmer-class and their sheep is really what needs to be attacked head on, and I’m not real optimistic that this will happen from corporatist Dems running that show.

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 23rd, 2012
7:47 am

Johnny REB,

Exceptionally good point…at least the GOP is good for something while in the majority…..too bad they weren’t as successful with the deficit…

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
7:48 am

Stevie, here’s how the WSJ piece addresses the deficit issue:

“Before Obama had even lifted a finger, the CBO was already projecting that the federal deficit would rise to $1.2 trillion in fiscal 2009. The government actually spent less money in 2009 than it was projected to, but the deficit expanded to $1.4 trillion because revenue from taxes fell much further than expected, due to the weak economy and the emergency tax cuts that were part of the stimulus bill.

The projected deficit for the 2010-13 period has grown from an expected $1.7 trillion in January 2009 to $4.4 trillion today. Lower-than-forecast revenue accounts for 73% of the $2.7 trillion increase in the expected deficit. That’s assuming that the Bush and Obama tax cuts are repealed completely”

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
7:49 am

But But But But………. President Trillions, Odumbo, Oblama, the sky is falling the sky is falling.

But what about………….

That’s not what Rush and Boortz say you liar. Breitbart reports he’s a Kenyan. Trump doesn’t like him. It can’t be true…….

barking frog

May 23rd, 2012
7:51 am

Had the repubs allowed
the increase as under
Reagan and the Bushes
the recovery would be
complete.

stands for decibels

May 23rd, 2012
7:52 am

but but Preznit TRILLIONS Jay! it’s a big number and it scares me!

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
7:52 am

LOL JohnnyReb and Stevie Ray, it was the Republican congress……. right…….. in 2009……… you can’t even tell lies that make sense lol.

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
7:53 am

“Of course, the Republican House had nothing to do with this.”

You are correct, Johnny Reb. As the WSJ kindly points out, “In fiscal 2010 — the first budget under Obama — spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.” That’s spending BEFORE adjustments for inflation.

And more to your point, it’s spending appropriated BEFORE the GOP took the House.

Peadawg

May 23rd, 2012
7:53 am

Jay’s gotta spin it somehow I guess.

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 23rd, 2012
7:54 am

Thanks Jay…that all makes sense to me..too bad the CBO is only mutually agreed source for this stuff…I’m skeptical about CBO’s batting average when projecting 10 years out….I’m wondering if that track record exists….Ironic that the first folks having to account for trillion dollars is our government…

Fred ™

May 23rd, 2012
7:55 am

stands for decibels

May 23rd, 2012
7:52 am

but but Preznit TRILLIONS Jay! it’s a big number and it scares me!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You think your scared NOW come on over here and let me feed your fears, step right into this big ole Republican tent and I’ll scare you with terrism, lefists, phomosexuals, preverts, immorral folks, the sky falling………. come listen to Rush and Neal. Watch this clip on FOX. You think you are scared NOW you just wait til we’re through with you……….

JohnnyReb

May 23rd, 2012
7:56 am

I can see this one will have all the Moonbats drunk with delight by 8:30. Enjoy and good day.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 23rd, 2012
7:56 am

CBO??? dog eating book cookers be damned!

Brosephus™ - "Starring as Rep. Joe Wilson"

May 23rd, 2012
7:56 am

YOU LIE!!!!!!!!!

barking frog

May 23rd, 2012
7:57 am

This is exactly what happens
when inexperience occupies
the Presidency. If reelected
maybe Obama can change
this. Hope so.

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
7:57 am

Well Peadawg, let’s see your “non-spun” version of these facts. Because they are, after all, cut-and-dried facts.

You take federal spending in effect when Obama took office, and you compare it to how it has changed under his leadership. Pretty simple stuff. So please, give us the “unspun” version.

Georgia on my mind...

May 23rd, 2012
7:57 am

Keep killing them with FACTS Jay…they do not seem to comprehend!!!

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 23rd, 2012
7:58 am

FRED,

Name calling again….perhaps my reading comprehension is once again flawed…

JAY, thus my moniker….Clowns and Jokers…..at least corruption is bi-partisan…

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 23rd, 2012
7:59 am

LOL, I saw that last night. Makes the Cons heads ’spolde.

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
8:01 am

Of course, the Republican House has nothing to do with this…

Jay’s gotta spin it somehow I guess….

Funny how quickly people try to dispel facts when they don’t agree with their “perception” of reality.

:)

Verbal Kint

May 23rd, 2012
8:02 am

Question: When democrats controlled both the House and Senate in 2009 and 2010, did they pass a budget?

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 23rd, 2012
8:03 am

My thinking has changed on repealing the Bush tax cuts with exception being those making under $250k or single folks making over $100K….the political fallout may be worth the price of admission…this way the DEMS will be calling GOP bluff regarding the job creators…this combined with increase in corporate taxes will make for great theatre..

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 23rd, 2012
8:04 am

How early in his broadcast tonight will Hannity commence with admiring these numbers?

barking frog

May 23rd, 2012
8:04 am

Budgets don’t matter.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 23rd, 2012
8:04 am

Verbal Kint:

Answer:Nope, and see how things worked out?

Question: Why does the GOP house in 2012 want to force the Defense department to tremendously increase their budget and have it added to the deficit?

Peadawg

May 23rd, 2012
8:05 am

“unspun” version?

$16 Trillion in debt (+ $5 trillion since he took office). And don’t give me the bs about “oh oh oh they weren’t his policies”. He’s had 4 years to overturn Bush’s bad policies and hasn’t.

And I missed where he’s cut the deficit in half like he promised.

So, you can have your facts and I’ll have mine, k?

I’ll be voting Democrat this year but it’s not going to be for this guy.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 23rd, 2012
8:05 am

What record were the Cons going to run against??

Ahem…..

Peadawg

May 23rd, 2012
8:07 am

“Funny how quickly people try to dispel facts” – I never said they weren’t facts. But there’s aaaaaall kinds of different ways we can look at out debt/deficit. Some ways make Obama look better than others.

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
8:07 am

Question: When democrats controlled both the House and Senate in 2009 and 2010, did they pass a budget?

What kind of budget? Are you asking about the budget plan? Budget appropriation bills? Be specific. There are different kinds of budget bills that have different meanings and implications. The answer to your question, as asked would be yes as the government would shut down if there were no budget appropriation bills passed. The rhetorical answer to your question would likely be no as you’re thinking about a budget plan bill, which does nothing but show how they want spending to be allocated. That plan has absolutely no effect on real-life budget operation though.

kayaker 71

May 23rd, 2012
8:07 am

So, from Bookman’s point of view, Bozo is the greatest thrifty president in recent history. So why are we in debt for a cool 16T? Why has this President outspent the last 43 Presidents by a whopping margin? Why is our debt now surpassing our GDP? In a Google news article today, the CBO is warning Bozo that if the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire, we are likely to go over the cliff in a brand new recession. Of course, that will be after the election. Hell, the Democrats have not passed a budget in Congress for the last 1,000 days or so. I don’t know what that reporter on the Journal is smoking but it is clouding his judgement.

Mick

May 23rd, 2012
8:07 am

pea

Don’t forget your good ole buddy bush, he and a rubber stamp repub congress put us on this downward spiral…

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 23rd, 2012
8:07 am

The race is tightening so it’s time to convince Ron Paul to run as an Independent.

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
8:08 am

Peadawg, if you think the deficit can be reduced while also dealing with the biggest economic crisis in 80 years, you might also think there are little green men on Mars.

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 23rd, 2012
8:08 am

GRANNY,

Good point…it’s baffling how anyone can even suggest an increase in defense spending…GOP is as betrothen to defense cash as DEMS are to union cash…both hopefully will be neutered at some point…will likely take constitution amendment…

Mick

May 23rd, 2012
8:08 am

yaker

Sometimes you just can’t see the forest because of the trees…

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
8:09 am

Peadawg

When his spending is lower than most every president before him, you can’t blame him for “spending” the debt to where it is. That gives the impression that you’re failing to also acknowledge the lost revenues from both, the Bush tax cuts and the recession. If you’re trying to do an honest assessment, you have to take all things into account, both the good and the bad.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 23rd, 2012
8:09 am

So why are we in debt for a cool 16T?

I would expect you still don’t understand the answer to this question, Kayaker.

Peadawg

May 23rd, 2012
8:10 am

“Don’t forget your good ole buddy bush” – I remember what happened but that was 4 years ago, sport.

Yaaawwn, Jay.

Recon 0311 2533

May 23rd, 2012
8:10 am

Now if you believe this I have some ocean front property in Arizona I’ll sell you cheap.

Brosephus™

May 23rd, 2012
8:11 am

GOP is as betrothen to defense cash as DEMS are to union cash…

LOLOLOL!!!!!!! What union cash? Unions make up exactly what percentage of the workforce nowadays???? How much cash flows from each of those interest groups. There’s no comparison at all there….

Mick

May 23rd, 2012
8:11 am

**Now if you believe this I have some ocean front property in Arizona I’ll sell you cheap.**

Please refute the data, will be waiting…

Thomas Heyward Jr

May 23rd, 2012
8:12 am

No excuses for war criminal Bush nor Obama but…………..
.
A)Tax-cuts are NOT spending
.
and
.
B) the OMB and CBO numbers don’t jive……..not unlike any government propoganda.
.
The Obama/Romney/Bush progs are getting desperate.

Peadawg

May 23rd, 2012
8:13 am

“Bush tax cuts” – Which Obama extended so shut up about those, k?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 23rd, 2012
8:16 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

Can you share those OMB numbers with us and point out the differences?

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
8:16 am

Ahhh the truth about spending… a vile thing to be sure. Followed by the truth about jobs…

There’s no appeasing these wingnuts with puny things like facts and the truth, the fix was in from the day one of “those” people took office.

It’s a sickness…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 23rd, 2012
8:16 am

Pea

You feeling ok?

curious

May 23rd, 2012
8:17 am

If God, himself or herself, came down and pronounced Obama as Jesus, the same people that ridicule Obama now would still continue to ridicule him.

You aren’t going to change any minds (that goes both ways).

kayaker 71

May 23rd, 2012
8:18 am

Take a good look at the debt clock. Our national debt is now at $15,739,631,000,000 and change. That represents about 138K/American taxpayer and close to 50K/citizen…… far and away the highest in the history of our country. Our GDP has never lagged behind our debt in the history of our Republic…. never. And Bozo is spending less than any other President in recent memory? You are hallucinating in liberal LaLa land, Mr. Bookman. What the hell are YOU smoking?

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 23rd, 2012
8:20 am

BRO,

Well, when you add up AFL-CIO, NEA, Teachers Union, Municipal and Federal Employess, SEIU, Electrical Brotherhood, you get a pretty big number wouldnt you agree?

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
8:20 am

the job creators

Job creators?

Don’t you mean job destroyers?

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — Hewlett-Packard will announce another round of substantial job cuts Wednesday afternoon in an effort to streamline its teetering PC and services businesses, a source familiar with the plans told Fortune.

The layoffs will be “in the ballpark” of 25,000 workers, the source said, which would amount to about 7% of HP’s global workforce. The nation’s largest technology company by revenue currently employs 349,600 people worldwide, according to its latest regulatory filing.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/23/technology/hp-layoffs/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2

St Simons - official approver of E Warren's cheekbones

May 23rd, 2012
8:20 am

Budgets don’t matter.

In the public sector, there’s a lot of truth to that right there.
Accounting sticker for you, bf.

As for the cons, what are they gonna say at this point?
kenyan muslin soocialista, grunt, grunt, fling poo…
I don’t think they even listen to themselves and their crap anymore.
Its basically just a tantrum of hate now.
It’s the glue that holds them together

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
8:20 am

Speaking of lies, and since Yak chimed in with oft-bleated lie given him by Rushbo and his ilk…

During a family bus trip, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin made a claim about the size of the debt accumulated under President Barack Obama.

“Look at the debt that has been accumulated in the last two years,” Palin, a Republican, told Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren on May 31, 2011, as her bus rolled down the highway. “It’s more debt under this president than all those other presidents combined.”

This claim is similar to ones we’ve checked in the past — with varying ratings — so we thought we would check Palin’s as well.

A few preliminaries. First, there are two common measures for debt. One, called public debt, tallies up the debt held by the public, while gross federal debt is a larger figure that combines publicly held debt plus debt held by the government itself, such as in the Social Security or Medicare trust funds. Both figures are considered legitimate, and since Palin didn’t specify which one she was referring to, we’ll run the numbers for both categories of debt.

Second, we’ll assume that all the debt accumulated under Obama should be attributed to him. In reality, this isn’t a logical allocation, since the first budget he wrote was actually for the 2010 fiscal year, and because he — like all presidents — inherited the fiscal legacy of his predecessor.

Still, calculating it this way is much simpler — and as we’ll see, it won’t matter to the outcome.

We turned to the Treasury Department’s “Debt to the Penny” calculator, where we found that on Obama’s first day in office, Jan. 20, 2009, the public debt stood at $6.307 trillion; gross federal debt stood at $10.627 trillion. For the most recent date available — May 27, 2011 — these two debt figures stood at $9.718 trillion and $14.345 trillion, respectively.

That means that under Obama, the public debt rose by $3.411 trillion and the gross federal debt rose by $3.718 trillion. That’s a huge amount of money — but it’s far less than what was accumulated by Obama’s 43 predecessors.

Because debt is cumulative (minus any intervening surpluses) the debt level for the previous 43 presidents is equal to the amount of debt on the day Obama was inaugurated. So even by the standards we used — which aren’t especially favorable to Obama — the debt he accumulated amounts to either 54 percent of his predecessors’ combined debt (using the public debt figure) or 35 percent (using gross federal debt).

Neither of these figures is “more … than all those other presidents combined,” as Palin had said.

stands for decibels

May 23rd, 2012
8:20 am

let me feed your fears

Nah, I can buy all the Fear Chow I need at the GOP Store.

http://www.gopstore.com/cgi-bin/rnc/scan/MM=2d6ba1ea9f0d63e0dd5baf17a85242e7:12:23:12.html?mv_more_ip=1&mv_nextpage=1stickers&id=PDth8gqs&mv_arg=

and oh yeah, these tasteful items as well:

http://www.gopstore.com/cgi-bin/rnc/scan/MM=2d6ba1ea9f0d63e0dd5baf17a85242e7:24:27:12.html?mv_more_ip=1&mv_nextpage=1stickers&mv_arg=

(again I ask–if Democrats were asking their base to “visualize no conservatives” and claiming that voting Republican was “easier than working”, ON THEIR OFFICIAL WEBSITE, ya think maybe our notsolibrul media might report it?)

Mary Elizabeth

May 23rd, 2012
8:20 am

This fact does not surprise me at all. The basic truth of this information is what I have tried to share on this blog, for months.

The deceptions thrust upon the American people by those within the Bush Dynasty have been remarkable. I continue to urge others to read the well footnoted and well documented 2009 book “Family of Secrets,” by investigative journalist Russ Baker, to see behind this veil of falsehoods and “caricatures” perpetuated on the American people by these powerful people.

I have just completed reading the 500+ page book. I am thoroughly disgusted at the use of our government for personal gain by, and for, those within this powerful circle, which includes many more than the two Bushes. And, their power and influence on what America becomes will continue well past the Bush Dynasty’s power.The irony is that these people are the same ones who promote small government for the many less fortunate than they are financially, while at they same time they have been using our government, stealthily, to accrue personal financial gain for themselves. I do not think that this is what our Founding Fathers had in mind for American to be or to become. It is past time for that veil of secrecy to be lifted. Read the book or at least visit the website, below.

http://www.familyofsecrets.com

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

May 23rd, 2012
8:21 am

Hmmmm, You know? I really thought the “Right” would appreciate that the spending is down. And to have President Obama compared to a fiscal conservative like President Eisenhower? Wow, that just has to give them goose pimples all over…

TaxPayer

May 23rd, 2012
8:22 am

Of course, the Republican House has nothing to do with this.

I object! The Republican House did have quite a bit to do with this. Just look at their work under Bush II. They blew every penny they could get their hands on and left Obama with nothing so he had no choice but to cut spending.

Peadawg

May 23rd, 2012
8:22 am

stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2012
8:20 am

links don’t work

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
8:23 am

“Wow, that just has to give them goose pimples all over…”

About the only thing that elicits such a response from our local band of wingnuts is a burning cross…

Mick

May 23rd, 2012
8:24 am

**The basic truth of this information is what I have tried to share on this blog, for months**

You and me both sister, it is never ending particularly because the propaganda has been so effectively catapaulted…

barking frog

May 23rd, 2012
8:24 am

You ain’t seen nothin yet.
JEB is waitin in the wings.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 23rd, 2012
8:25 am

Recon doesn’t like facts that don’t jibe with his sail?

Say it aint so?

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 23rd, 2012
8:25 am

stands for decibels

May 23rd, 2012
8:26 am

As for the cons, what are they gonna say at this point?
kenyan muslin soocialista, grunt, grunt, fling poo…

Lest we forget, had we actually done what the Goopers accuse us of doing (ZOMG SPENDING ON PEOPLE), unemployment would be 7.1%

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/05/08/unemployment-rate-without-government-cuts-7-1/

(according to those Wall St. Journal commies anyway.)

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
8:26 am

Truth be told… Jeb is the smart one, and may not be too bad…

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 23rd, 2012
8:27 am

In Kansas, legislators recently passed the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act. If enacted into law, the bill would require doctors to tell pregnant women of a relationship between abortion and breast cancer.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/05/do_abortions_cause_breast_cancer_kansas_state_house_abortion_act_invokes_shaky_science_for_political_gain_.html

Enacting laws that force doctors to lie to patients? Sounds like the GOP at work again.

Lord Help Us

May 23rd, 2012
8:27 am

Interesting that the 3 smallest percentage increases in spending ALL come from Dem Presidents and the 5 largest spending increases ALL come from Reg Presidents…

Yet the cons cling to their ignorance anyway…

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
8:28 am

The irony is that these people (in the Bush Dynasty and elsewhere) are the same ones who promote small government for the many less fortunate than they are financially, while at they same time they have been using our government, stealthily, to accrue personal financial gain for themselves.

Amen, sister!

Or as I call it socialism for the rich, capitalism for the rest of us. (Including their self-destructive neer-do-well sycophants.)

And to Jay’s point, the Nixon administration was the last group of Republicans who were NOT spendaholics.

kayaker 71

May 23rd, 2012
8:28 am

And all of those pesky stats about how much money we are spending have not even included Bozocare which will cost about 2X original estimates, according to the CBO who massaged the numbers to allow Bozo and the gang to get the votes they needed to pass this fiasco. The unfunded mandates to the states alone will be staggering, along with what this idiocy will cost American business. A frugal President? What a friggin’ joke.

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
8:28 am

But he’s wayyyyy too moderate for the wingnuts of today…

Thomas Heyward Jr

May 23rd, 2012
8:28 am

Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette

May 23rd, 2012
8:16 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

“Can you share those OMB numbers with us and point out the differences?”
.
Yes I could.
But I will not.
Unlike a your .gov diety………I will not spoon feed a prog.
.
Also in closing…..the article neglects those stupid “spending” ponzi schemes that don’t take effect until 2014…..That kind of “back-end” loading ALWAYS works on the intellect of your typical R versus D citizen.
.
Fascinating……..and you get the austerity that you deserve.
Sadly,your children don’t deserve it though.

stands for decibels

May 23rd, 2012
8:28 am

PD, don’t know why those links don’t work on your end.

But here’s the first page of their “Stickers” merch, which I didn’t include because (I think) we’re limited to two links per post…

http://www.gopstore.com/cgi-bin/rnc/scan/st=db/co=yes/sf=prod_group/se=stickers/op=eq/tf=description/ml=12/sp=1stickers.html

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 23rd, 2012
8:29 am

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
8:31 am

In other words, kayaker, if you can’t refute hard data, just start making stuff up.

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
8:31 am

Ahhhh… “Bozocare”…. an attempt to spread out the cost that we are already paying for uninsured healthcare via the ER by making the uninsured share in the burden…

Yak just can’t help hisself… this whole truth about spending has unhinged him….

St Simons - official approver of E Warren's cheekbones

May 23rd, 2012
8:31 am

I’ve been listening to the Am radio transmissions from Area 51

Who is this “Bush” you speak of?
and how did we get to 2012?

TaxPayer

May 23rd, 2012
8:31 am

I also think it fair to give the current batch of Republicans credit for compromising by passing that legislation requiring across the board cuts in the case that bi-partisan supercommittee could not agree to any cuts themselves.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 23rd, 2012
8:31 am

stevie ray….Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right…here I am…

May 23rd, 2012
8:20 am
BRO,

Well, when you add up AFL-CIO, NEA, Teachers Union, Municipal and Federal Employess, SEIU, Electrical Brotherhood, you get a pretty big number wouldnt you agree?

big? yes. bigger? ah nope, don’t buy it…wouldn’t be prudent

stands for decibels

May 23rd, 2012
8:32 am

Enacting laws that force doctors to lie to patients?

See, when you’re a filthy liar yourself, expecting others to lie as a routine part of their work is no big deal.

Surrounded by Extremist

May 23rd, 2012
8:33 am

I’ll try to get in touch with Boortz and Hannity today to find these as facts. Stupid liberal media. Always pushing that left wing agenda. If only Ronald Regan was in office things would be running so smoothly now. I wonder who almost tripled the national debt?

http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm

kayaker 71

May 23rd, 2012
8:34 am

Bookman, 8:31,

Your “hard data” just doesn’t match up. I have not made a single thing up. Have you taken a good look at the debt clock lately?

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
8:34 am

Unions are corporations, ergo people with the right to free speech…

Moderate Line

May 23rd, 2012
8:34 am

Here is what Jay has done. He is claim Obama is frugal because he is spending less than what was spent in 2009. Keep in mind that he contributed to the spending in 2009.
I find this post either misleading or dishonest. Obama has two of the top three highest spending years since 1947. Considering he has only completed 2 years that is pretty remarkable. Now you can make an argument that Obama has inherited a bad economy and two wars to pay for that he did not start but making the argument that he is frugal is completely ridiculous and can only be supported by statistical manipulation.
This post hurts Jay’s credibility.

And there s no doubt that 2012 with give him 3 of the top four.
2009 25.2 Bush
2010 24.1 Obama
2011 24.1 Obama
1983 23.5 Reagan
1982 23.1 Reagan

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
8:35 am

My take on our idiotic anti-union McCarthyites?

When you takers give up all of the benefits that a union man got for you – weekends off, paid vacation, paid sick days, paid health benefits and on and on and on and on – then go ahead with your irrational rants.

Otherwise, just know that people view you as pure ingrates, who profited immensely from the very blood and sweat of the people you denigrate.

The ONLY people besides your hated Uncle Sam who have tried to ameliorate the irrefutable destruction of the American middle class by your beloved Reaganista plutocrats and their non-existent trickle down.

But considering that you think it is perfectly acceptable – no more than that, the absolutely proper evolution of American capitalism – that the American working family has endured essentially flat-lined wages for forty years, what is to be expected?

TBone

May 23rd, 2012
8:35 am

It keeps getting better all the time. How damn dumb do you media types think this country is? Think a second before answering.

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
8:36 am

If you can’t find Reagan or get Nancy to drum his soul via seance, you can always buy a vial of his blood and inject it…

http://money.aol.co.uk/2012/05/23/ronald-reagans-blood-for-sale-would-you-buy/

Steve

May 23rd, 2012
8:39 am

The fact that the national debt has risen from $10.6 trillion to $15.6 trillion under Obama’s watch makes for easy partisan attacks. But the vast bulk of the increase was caused by a combination of revenue losses due to the 2008-09 economic downturn as well as Bush-era tax cuts and automatic increases in safety-net spending that were already written into law.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/federal-deficit-barack-obama-spending-stimulus-budget-historic-trends.php

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
8:39 am

” How damn dumb do you media types think this country is?”

Based on the wingnut comments when presented with hard facts and truths, coupled with the fact that wingnuts, sadly, make up a large part of the electorate… pretty “damn” dumb…

Mary Elizabeth

May 23rd, 2012
8:39 am

Mick, 8:24 am

**The basic truth of this information is what I have tried to share on this blog, for months**
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You and me both sister, it is never ending particularly because the propaganda has been so effectively catapaulted
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I know you have, Mick. The more people who get the word out the better. We average Americans must be just as relentless to tell the truth – by helping others to see beyond the well orchestrated surface realities, that are false, of these powerful people – as they are to perpetuate their falsehoods.

Continue to keep your voice loud, clear, and frequent, Mick. Mainly, tell the truth as you have discovered it.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 23rd, 2012
8:40 am

Thomas Heyward Jr.

You’re a hoot! Lotsa’ bravado and naught to back it up.

And BTW, My kids aren’t getting austerity you big silly.

They’re adults and doing just fine.

Need some help with yours? They hungry? I can spare some cash if you need it.

Steve

May 23rd, 2012
8:42 am

So, why in God’s name would we want to go back to the same policies that tanked the country while propping up the uber wealthy, under Republican rule? And look how well “austerity” measures are doing in Europe.

Die off, Republicans. Your days are dwindling, and I thank the Lord.

Butch Cassidy

May 23rd, 2012
8:42 am

Moderate Line – “Here is what Jay has done. He is claim Obama is frugal because he is spending less than what was spent in 2009. ”

Actually, it was the Wall Street Journal that is making the claim. Jay is simply passing along the information with some of his own commentary.

What is it with you guys? The WSJ is about as conservative as they come, but as soon that they dare write something that doesn’t fit neatly into your Obama bashing, you decide it’s nothing but liberal tripe. This type of tunnel vision is exactly why I don’t support either party.

JamVet

May 23rd, 2012
8:43 am

In other words, kayaker, if you can’t refute hard data, just start making stuff up.

Or just as bad, do the recon…(see his 8:10)

Finn @8:27,

GOP War on Women?

I don’t see any GOP War on Women!

Do you see any GOP War on Women?

I know that that phrase really bothers the more sensitive of the neocons here, so let’s call it something that even they cannot dispute – The GOP’s Full Scale Legislative Assault on Women’s Rights.

And the fallout?

Mitt is gonna get absolutely decimated at the polls this November, vis a vis the American female voter. And rightfully so.

Jay

May 23rd, 2012
8:44 am

Moderate, as I pointed out, the additional money appropriated under Obama has been assigned to Obama in the data.

And the data says what it says: Spending under Obama has increased more slowly than under any president since Eisenhower, and after adjusting for population growth and inflation, has actually decreased on a per capita basis.

Your attempt to blame him for not reversing all the spending growth of previous presidents — especially the Republicans — is pretty weak, given that he’s had three years in office and is trying to manage the aftermath of the worst economic crisis in 80 years.

You guys really DO think he should be the Messiah, don’t you? Because that’s the only person who could possibly accomplish what you claim to think Obama should accomplish.

Rightwing Troll

May 23rd, 2012
8:44 am

But Jam,
The 24 GOP wimminz in the house have started some sort of club to refute that…

TBone

May 23rd, 2012
8:45 am

Why don’t you explain to the great unwashed just how this baseline budgeting process works so your “Hard Facys” can have some light shed on them.