More signs — still preliminary — that Iran’s ready to deal
For the moment, I’ll file this under “Believe it when I see it,” but it’s nonetheless encouraging:
“Iran and the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency are near agreement on a plan that could lift the veil on some of the Islamic Republic’s past nuclear research, U.N. officials said Tuesday in an announcement that raised hopes for a more comprehensive nuclear accord when Iranian officials meet with six world powers later in the week.
Yukiya Amano, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said U.N. and Iranian officials settled most of their differences during talks Monday in the Iranian capital and were moving toward a formal pact on making Iran’s nuclear activities more transparent….
“We had expansive and intensive talks in a positive atmosphere,” Amano told Iranian television after the hastily arranged meeting in Tehran.
Iran’s chief nuclear negotiator, Saeed Jalili, also hailed what he described as “very good talks” with the IAEA leader. “God willing, we will have good cooperation in the future,” he added.”
In a separate line of negotiations, six major countries including the United States will meet with Iranian representatives beginning Wednesday to discuss a deal in which Iran would dismantle its nuclear infrastructure and surrender its stores of highly enriched uranium. In return, harsh economic sanctions against Iran would be lifted.
The odds of success in that negotiation would probably increase if the IAEA inspection deal is finalized, suggesting that Iran is finally willing to concede to international demands. In the past, however, Iran has repeatedly seemed to agree to deals only to back out of them later.
Will this time prove different? Perhaps so. Iran has never before faced economic sanctions so broad and so well-enforced internationally. It’s also pretty clear that if these negotiations fail, military intervention becomes a much more serious option, and that’s a route that nobody should be eager to travel.
Stay tuned. Success is far from guaranteed, but it’s at least worth the effort. As an old Iranian proverb puts it, “Trust in God — but tie your camel tight.”
– Jay Bookman
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Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
3:48 pm
It would be incredible if it did indeed succeed(the sanctions). Personally I’m thinking the mullahs will keep stalling and stalling until they get it done as far as building a bomb but who knows. Time will tell.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
May 22nd, 2012
3:49 pm
Just put this below but…well, you know…
http://www.thenation.com/blog/167999/its-official-watching-fox-makes-you-stupider?rel=emailNation
Mighty Righty
May 22nd, 2012
3:50 pm
Wow. What a break through. Iran promises to increase access. Boy this is something new. Iran has never been so open.
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
3:50 pm
What did we do anyways that originally pissed of the Iranians so much?
Aquagirl
May 22nd, 2012
3:51 pm
Oh boy, a story including diplomatic discussions, Iran, and the U.N. This oughta infuriate the chickenhawks.
Adam
May 22nd, 2012
3:51 pm
Foreign policy success… and gas prices continue to drop.
Surely this is just luck, right? Nothing to do with policies that don’t involve chest beating….
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
3:52 pm
File me under the “wait and see” tab….
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
May 22nd, 2012
3:54 pm
“File me under the “wait and see” tab….”
Aye, me too, Bro’
Recon 0311 2533
May 22nd, 2012
3:54 pm
I’d file it under defecating in one hand while wishing in the other based on prior false hopes with these guys.
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
3:54 pm
Nevermind: (from Wiki) The Shah had been restored to power in a 1953 coup organized by the CIA at the American Embassy against a democratically-elected nationalist Iranian government
We overthrew a Democratically elected Government with the help of the British. How stupid.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 22nd, 2012
3:56 pm
Recon — “I’d file it under defecating in one hand while wishing in the other based on prior false hopes with these guys.”
Shades of Iraq, 2003.
stands for decibels
May 22nd, 2012
3:57 pm
What did we do anyways that originally pissed of the Iranians so much?
Helping to orchestrating a coup and overthrowing a democratically elected leader.
(Mind you, they need to get over that, like we need to get over the 1979 hostage crisis. I’m not holding my breath for either one to happen, though.)
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
3:57 pm
Well Fred, from their point of view, the CIA engineered a coup against a democratically elected government back in the ’50s, installing the shah of Iran instead as our puppet. Then for the next 25 years or so we strongly backed the shah and his brutally repressive regime.
After that we backed Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war that Iraq started as a way to seize Iranian oil fields, just as he later tried to seize Kuwaiti oil fields. Hundreds of thousands of Iranians died in that war.
Other than that kind of stuff, we’ve been the best of buds.
Mighty Righty
May 22nd, 2012
3:57 pm
Normal
“The study concludes that media sources have a significant impact on the number of questions that people were able to answer correctly,”
The key word is “correctly” as defined by a liberal news person. We all know liberals view of the news is ncorrect.
stands for decibels
May 22nd, 2012
3:58 pm
and fred, if that’s actually news to you, more here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
3:58 pm
Remove the inspectors! Invade NOW! The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud!
Oh, wait. We already did that.
Never mind.
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
3:58 pm
Thanks dB, I found it. But I agree while I agree with you about us and them getting over it, I think Del stated it best in his 3:54.
stands for decibels
May 22nd, 2012
3:58 pm
(Also, fred, that stuff Jay said.)
sure they are
May 22nd, 2012
3:59 pm
It would be great if the Iranians did just that but I’m inclined to believe they will stall and hide what they have done till they get the bomb they seek….
btw, why such hate for conservatives and those who watch Fox News, good grief! Just because they are the only major news network that criticizes a left leaning President. Sorry, I thought the left was the most tolerant, most accepting people on the planet. I guess they are only when you are them….
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
3:59 pm
Thanks Jay. For some reason I always associated that 1953 coup with the British.
St Simons- fat cheekbones
May 22nd, 2012
3:59 pm
What did we do to piss off the Iranians?
well, we installed by coup, this ‘leader’ who was really a Big Oil lackey
in the 50’s. I think his name was Karzai.
Nooo wait…….
godless heathen
May 22nd, 2012
4:00 pm
No surprise that Aquagirl and Adam have already added this to their “Obama’s Great Accomplishments” list. Adam put it right under falling gas prices.
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
4:01 pm
LOL godless. Good catch.
Sean Smith
May 22nd, 2012
4:02 pm
Yea the Iranians need to get over our past transgressions in their country. Kind of the same way southerners need to get over losing the civil war oh about 150+ years ago…..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
4:02 pm
We all know liberals view of the news is ncorrect[sic].
Oh, the irony.
sure they are
May 22nd, 2012
4:02 pm
godless, you forgot about 1.6% growth, another Obama accomplishment. or that we have about 16 trillion in debt as supposed to 11 trillion…..
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
4:02 pm
Predictably, the rabid right wingers hate this news.
As Kam notes, the chances for them to horrifically botch another invasion and occupation, every single step of the way, diminishes slightly.
Like I said yesterday – good news for the USA is bad news for the GOP. And vice versa…
Rebecca
May 22nd, 2012
4:03 pm
Why do the Iranians dislike Americans? For many reasons, the uppermost being our support and manipulation of the Shah of Iran, which, unfortunately, led to the taking of American hostages.
Butch Cassidy
May 22nd, 2012
4:04 pm
MIghty Righty – “We all know liberals view of the news is ncorrect.”
Hey, we landed on the moon in 1969. Perhaps you would like to correct my views of that event.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
4:04 pm
I’m of the I’ll believe it when I see it school. The Iranian people are not barbarians. The Mullahs are.
Mighty Righty
May 22nd, 2012
4:04 pm
Is there a country including all Muslim nations in the Middle East that trusts the word of Iran? I don’t think so.
sure they are
May 22nd, 2012
4:05 pm
hey, I didn’t say it wasn’t good news, I’m just saying I want to see it before I believe it, that’s all. I’m quite fine with avoiding a war if that is possible….
Butch Cassidy
May 22nd, 2012
4:07 pm
Mighty Righty – “Is there a country including all Muslim nations in the Middle East that trusts the word of Iran? I don’t think so.”
Is there a country including all Muslim nations in the Middle East that trusts the word of the United States? I don’t think so.
See how that works?
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
4:07 pm
They don’t trust our word or each other’s word either, Mighty.
Recon 0311 2533
May 22nd, 2012
4:08 pm
Iran has been taking pages out of the N.K’s play book. Pretend to be willing to seriously negotiate and then renege. The problem we face is if Israel launches a strike. It would drag us into it and really get ugly.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
4:09 pm
Sean
And what was it that pissed the Southerners off? What was it that pissed the Mexicans off? What was it that pissed the Cubans, Dominicans, Haitians, Philipinos, Hawaiians, Panamanians, Chileans, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, Iraqis, Lebanese, Cherokee, Seminole, Nez Perce, and that’s just off the top of my head…
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
4:12 pm
Iran has too much on their plate with Syria and problems in their own country because of sanctions.
They are not stupid.
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
4:12 pm
You no what/ We are ALL being asshats. They are talking. We are talking. Right now there young men and women aren’t shooting at our young men and women. That’s a good thing.
Whether or not it all works out, it has STARTED with us and them trying to talk it out. I for one am glad about that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Yayz5o-l0&feature=related
barking frog
May 22nd, 2012
4:14 pm
Someone should call Ollie
North nah he works for
Republicans…maybe if
Romney..Hope they don’t
take any hostages…..
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
4:14 pm
Adam,
I wouldn’t call this a foreign policy success just yet. Better wait till they actually dismantle their program rather than talking about it before we can deem this a success. We’ve been stalled and strung along by Iran as well as other nations like North Korea before. As for gas prices they are slowly dropping but are still well above the $1.81 they were when Obama came into office. When gas drops to $1.81 you may then crow loudly.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
4:15 pm
And what was it that pissed the Southerners off?
Not gonna pretend to speak for all Southerners but for me, it’s flour and sugar in cornbread.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
4:15 pm
getalife
I agree that the Iranian people are not stupid, but the Mullahs are…
josef
May 22nd, 2012
4:16 pm
K’chak
And I wouldn’t argue with that…! Heretics, I tell ya!
josef
May 22nd, 2012
4:17 pm
Frog
Romeny and Reid have a plan…send more missionaries…
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
4:17 pm
As for gas prices they are slowly dropping but are still well above the $1.81 they were when Obama came into office. When gas drops to $1.81 you may then crow loudly.
More of Thulsa trying to anger liberals by pretending to be very very dumb.
243 more days
May 22nd, 2012
4:17 pm
godless heathen
May 22nd, 2012
4:00 pm
How many times have we heard “The POTUS has no control over gas prices”.
In the Liberals mind,the POTUS controls gas pricing only when the price goes up.
Please decide, does he, or desn’t he?
Talk about moving the goal post…………………..
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
4:21 pm
As for gas prices they are slowly dropping but are still well above the $1.81 they were when Obama came into office. When gas drops to $1.81 you may then crow loudly.
If I were to guess, gas prices are not going to drop below $3.00 again unless there’s some major event that leads to a worldwide drop in demand, kinda like another GLOBAL recession. Our domestic price is tied into worldwide demand now thanks to companies exporting fuels to the extent they do now. We have little control over costs as compared to what we had even 5 years ago.
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
4:22 pm
Hey, I’ve got it!
Lets go right back to those glory days of rogue “go it alone
cowboysmorons”!Aka the gang who couldn’t shoot straight.
And the reason that the GOP will not win the White House back until 2024. If then…
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
4:22 pm
Kam
Undoubtedly!!!!!!! That’s blasphemy to the nth degree!!!!!!
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
4:22 pm
josef,
What pisses them off? I got a little bit of it covered. You’ll have to vouch for the rest.
Cubans- Batista and rampant corruption, Haitians- Papa and baby doc, Philipinos- Marcos, Hawaiians- the queen abdicating along with a nudge by U.S. marines, Panamanians- Noriega along with other banana dictators, Chileans- the coup against Salvador Allende, Guatemalans- CIA coup in 1954, various U.S. supported dictators, and genocide campaigns that wiped over 100,000 indigenous Indians from the highlands, Nicaraguans- Somoza and his whole damn family
ByteMe
May 22nd, 2012
4:23 pm
Whether or not it all works out, it has STARTED with us and them trying to talk it out.
Actually, it started with us turning the screws on their army’s economic empire to get their attention.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
4:24 pm
THULSA
And what do all those I mentioned have in common?
Moderate Line
May 22nd, 2012
4:24 pm
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
3:57 pm
After that we backed Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war that Iraq started as a way to seize Iranian oil fields, just as he later tried to seize Kuwaiti oil fields. Hundreds of thousands of Iranians died in that war.
++++
It is meme that is often repeated that we support Iraq but that is really incorrect. The main supporter of Iraq was the Soviet Union. The main reason was that Iran being a revolutionary Islamic government was seen as a threat to the Soviet Union with a large Muslim population. The United States slightly favored the Iraq’s but not much. The United States was torn between Iraq’s violation of Iran soveregnity and Irans public animosity to the United States.
Keep in my we actually supported Iraq with secret arm sales.
“Part of the US dilemma in the Gulf was that the United States was committed to the territorial integrity of a state, Iran, whose rulers were implacably hostile to it. Washington wished to protect other states in the region from Iranian expansionism as well as protecting Iran from that of the Soviet Union, so that coupled with a natural and publicly supported wish to do down the Khomeini regime was a more pragmatic need to see the survival of a stable, independent and anti-communist Iran. The central importance of Iran in America’s geopolitical strategy until the advent of the Gorbachev era forced a reappraisal, was outlined by Henry Kissingner in 1982:
“The focus of Iranian pressure at this moment is Iraq. There are few governments in the world less deserving of our support and less capable of using it. Had Iraq won the war, the fear in the Gulf and the threat to our interest would be scarcely less than it is today. Still, given the importance of the balance of power in the area, it is in our interests to promote a ceasefire in that conflict; through not a cost that will preclude an eventual rapprochement with Iran either if a more moderate regime replaces Khomenini’s or if the present rulers wake up to geopolitical reality [sic] that the historic threat to Iran’s independence has always come from the country with which it shares a border of 1,500 miles (2,400 km): the Soviet Union. A raprochement with Iran, of course, must await at a minimum Iran’s abandonment of hegemonic aspirations [sic] in the Gulf”.
Iran, in other words, should be befriended if possible, but must above, be contained.
The Gulf War John Bulloch and Harvey Morris
The main reason is what you stated in the first paragraph is our support of the Shah which many Iranian saw as repressive.
sure they are
May 22nd, 2012
4:24 pm
so Jay, are you going to defend our Energy Secretary who stated twice, once in congress that is wasn’t the Administrations policy to lower fuel prices but instead make electric car batteries cheaper or that he wished US gas prices mirrored Western Europe’s?
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
4:26 pm
Brocephus,
That recession induced worldwide demand just might be dropping in some places- Western Europe for example. We may yet see $2 gas if world demand collapses due to European recession if they can’t get their debt issues under control.
Aquagirl
May 22nd, 2012
4:26 pm
No surprise that Aquagirl and Adam have already added this to their “Obama’s Great Accomplishments” list.
IIRC, not too long ago the idea we’d even speak to the Iranians caused a freakout, it was a slippery slope ending with Iranians buttsecksing the ‘Merican flag and everyone’s momma.
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
4:27 pm
Doom
More recently on the Guatemalans and Nicaraguans would be our exporting MS-13 and their counterparts to Central America as well….
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
4:28 pm
Moderate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war
And Sure They Are, Chu was right in terms of policy when he said that; he was wrong in terms of politics.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
4:28 pm
Undoubtedly!!!!!!! That’s blasphemy to the nth degree!!!!!!
And no more or less stupid than any of the other reasons I’ve seen for justifying war.
TaxPayer
May 22nd, 2012
4:28 pm
More of Thulsa trying to anger liberals by pretending to be very very dumb.
Riiiiight. There. I’ve done my Republican impersonation for today by demonstrating my disbelief in what Jay posts.
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
4:29 pm
josef,
U.S. support for dictators. We do in fact have a sordid history of supporting anti-communist dictatorships as the goal of countering the Soviets during the cold war. It is what it is.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 22nd, 2012
4:29 pm
Put me in the I’ll believe it when I see it…
BUT
This is still excellent news.
Getting this far is a feather in this administrations cap.
Ya’ know….that better to have tried and failed then never tried at all.
TaxPayer
May 22nd, 2012
4:31 pm
If oil prices drop too much, Obama may have to approve that Keystone pipeline in order to get prices back up again.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
4:31 pm
Thulsa
Not exactly. This goes way back before communism ever entered into the equation…
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
4:31 pm
As Dick Cheney said way back in 1986, “Let us rid ourselves of the fiction that low oil prices are somehow good for the United States.”
Joe Hussein Mama
May 22nd, 2012
4:31 pm
Doom — “I wouldn’t call this a foreign policy success just yet. Better wait till they actually dismantle their program rather than talking about it before we can deem this a success. We’ve been stalled and strung along by Iran as well as other nations like North Korea before.”
FWIW, there’s no *hard* evidence that Iran is trying to advance a nuclear weapons program, but there’s a lot of *circumstantial* evidence. IAEA Director General ElBaradei said as much a few years ago, and Israel’s been shrieking about alleged Iranian weapons for a lot longer than that. There are several ambiguous points that Iran could do a lot to clarify, but their failure to do so isn’t evidence that they are actually trying to build nukes. Saddam Hussein was fooling around with inspectors for years, but when it came right down to it, he turned out not to have anything. He apparently just wanted his rivals in the Middle East (think Iran) worried that he *might* have them and thus balk any aggressive moves they might have wanted to make against him.
Iran claims to want to develop peaceful nuclear power, and some of their declared programs do support that. Iran also claims to want to produce medical isotopes, and some of their declared programs support that as well. However, there are a few things they’re doing that *might* indicate an attempt to go farther, though they could also indicate peaceful research that others have tried and failed at. Again, we just don’t know, and while Iran could easily clear things up, they just haven’t done so.
So do they have nukes? Don’t think so. Are they trying to build them? Probably not, but there are some valid concerns. Should we be worried? I don’t think so, but I do think we should keep the pressure on and get them to the negotiating table. Remember, shortly before we invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein finally said ‘F**k, okay, bring the damn inspectors in, you a**holes.’ We ended up invading anyway, but shortly before we did, we warned the inspectors to get the hell out before the shooting started. If we get enough of the world on our side and we use some carrots AND some sticks, I think we can get the Iranians to come clean.
Assuming they actually ARE clean. FWIW, I’d rather we didn’t have to fight another war right now; our guys are tired and deserve some down time.
sure they are
May 22nd, 2012
4:32 pm
your honest Jay, but let me be sure in what you are saying, good policy, not the right thing to say politically due to public perception.
I have to ask this Jay, how am I supposed to fit my family into one of those electric cars, I have six in my family, including two in baby carseats?
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
4:32 pm
Doom
I think Europe is going to get us close to $3 but not below it. I’d be both surprised and happy if that did happen though. I just don’t see the price going down much now with a combination of worldwide demand plus removing most, if not all, Iranian oil out of the system.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
4:32 pm
…it was a slippery slope ending with Iranians buttsecksing the ‘Merican flag and everyone’s momma.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
4:33 pm
G-mare
I’m cautiously optimistic, but not ready to award any feathers just yet…there’s still that cabal of lunatic fanatics in absolute control, and who knows what they’re liable to do…
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
4:33 pm
I don’t have a camel
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
4:33 pm
Bro,
You lost me there. I thought MS-13 was a gang started in El Salvador that grew stronger in the U.S. and in U.S. prisons. I don’t see as how we could be exporting gang violence to those countries though if those gangs were originally exported up here.
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
4:34 pm
there’s still that cabal of lunatic fanatics in absolute control, and who knows what they’re liable to do…
Now Josef, don’t be so hard on Netanyahu and Barak….
barking frog
May 22nd, 2012
4:35 pm
The Ayatollah chunked the
Shah. Carter grabbed all
Iranian assets in the U.S.
where most of their cash
was kept. Iran grabbed the
US embassy. Reagan gave
them their own money and
they gave up the hostages.
Obama has impounded
their assets. Their move.
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
4:36 pm
I have to ask this Jay, how am I supposed to fit my family into one of those electric cars, I have six in my family, including two in baby carseats?
There’s this little market principle called supply and demand. As long as there is little to no demand for such a vehicle, no company will supply it. However, once they see a viable market for such a vehicle, you’ll probably have options presented to you. At this point and time nobody’s squawking for it, therefore it does not exist.
sure they are
May 22nd, 2012
4:36 pm
Dick Cheney is an idiot in saying that, partially. I suppose that high oil prices based on demand means a globally growing economy. But, expensive fuel also means higher prices on products we consume, those high costs work their way down the supply chain, every where from the raw product to the finished product, which high fuel cost kill my budget which is rather limited……my paycheck doesn’t grow anywhere near the rate inflation has the past 10 years or more….
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
4:36 pm
Brocephus,
The good thing is that if things work out diplomatically and all that Iranian oil comes flooding back into the market it would also drop world prices a chunk. If I remember correctly Iran produces something like 13% of the world’s output.
ByteMe
May 22nd, 2012
4:37 pm
I have to ask this Jay, how am I supposed to fit my family into one of those electric cars, I have six in my family, including two in baby carseats?
It’s called “personal choices”. You made the choices, you get to figure it out. That’s the conservative answer to every problem with the lower classes, right?
josef
May 22nd, 2012
4:38 pm
IMAM
They are not in absolute control…they’re in bed with Brother Barack and Sisters Hillary and Susan…
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
4:38 pm
TD
That is not a $2.00 I want to see. Europe is indeed in a tough spot, but a huge and lengthy downward spiral from them and we will feel it for sure
243 more days
May 22nd, 2012
4:38 pm
Jay,
So now you are a Dick Chnney fan. Are you also a Sec of Energy fan? He has the same opinion
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
4:40 pm
Doom
Increasing deportations of criminal aliens has had a negative effect in the places they’ve been shipped off to.
MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha) was actually started in Los Angeles by Salvadorians. We shipped it to Central America with criminal deportations. If I remember my gang histories correctly, most every Latin gang originated in the US, either in the streets or the prisons.
sure they are
May 22nd, 2012
4:40 pm
Bro, my comment was truly about the fact that Mr. Chu thinks the US should concentrate it’s monetary resources on electric car batteries, not cheaper fuel. I get there is no market for totally electric cars, they are rather inefficient as they currently exsist. If I can go 300+ miles between charges and it only takes about 10 minutes to charge the battery and it doesn’t cost more than my home, then I may be interested, till then, we should be using the oil reserves we have now…..
sure they are
May 22nd, 2012
4:42 pm
byte me, the liberal response then should be, get someone else to pay for it, it’s not my fault I’m in this situation, it’s some evil capital corporations fault….
Aquagirl
May 22nd, 2012
4:42 pm
how am I supposed to fit my family into one of those electric cars, I have six in my family, including two in baby carseats?
Ask Mitt Romney, he’ll solve that problem in a heartbeat.
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
4:42 pm
Doom @ 4:36
I think that would hinge on the other oil producers not dramatically curtailing production. The thing to remember is that many of those countries have nationalized oil companies, and oil is a revenue generator for their respective countries. Dropping prices is not something they would really want.
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
4:43 pm
Adjusted for inflation, the price of gasoline is about what it was during the early Reagan years.
ByteMe
May 22nd, 2012
4:43 pm
Mr. Chu thinks the US should concentrate it’s monetary resources on electric car batteries, not cheaper fuel.
He is correct. We should. If we could develop high-density low-cost batteries, we could do a better job harnessing other forms of energy that are intermittent, like the sun, wind, solar flairs, whatever.
Cars when they first came out were inefficient and had almost no market. If you asked the average person then what they want it would be “a faster horse”. Progress marches on. Get in front of the parade instead of behind the dancing elephants at the end of it.
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
4:43 pm
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
4:31 pm
As Dick Cheney said way back in 1986, “Let us rid ourselves of the fiction that low oil prices are somehow good for the United States.”
Dick Cheney also said “deficits don’t matter” as we’ve been reminded time and again. So if he was a fool for that statement than he is likewise a fool for the statement above.
There is an economic formula that economists use as there is a direct correlation between U.S. economic growth and the price of oil. If I remember correctly I think the general rule is that for every $10 rise in oil prices per barrel that U.S. economic production is affected negatively by two tenths of a percent so if oil rose from $100 to $110 a barrel the U.S. economy could contract by from say 1.8 to 1.6% growth. Not a huge correlation though if 2/10ths is indeed the correct number.
sure they are
May 22nd, 2012
4:43 pm
which is too high! imho….
ByteMe
May 22nd, 2012
4:43 pm
byte me, the liberal response then should be, get someone else to pay for it, it’s not my fault I’m in this situation, it’s some evil capital corporations fault….
So which side of the divide are you on with your problem?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
4:43 pm
It’s called “personal choices”. You made the choices, you get to figure it out. That’s the conservative answer to every problem with the lower classes, right?
Bootstraps, get ‘em while they’re hot.
…my paycheck doesn’t grow anywhere near the rate inflation has the past 10 years or more…
See above.
Peter
May 22nd, 2012
4:44 pm
Mighty Righty …
I guess we should pull a George Bush and invade…then send America further in debt ?
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
4:44 pm
TD @ 4:29
I was conversing with Scout about that vary issue yesterday. On one hand the US must play the game of which despot to back. On the other, it has certainly come with mixed results and people are mistaken if they think the populace of these countries are not aware of what we do.
I’m not advocating of Chavez, especially after that story I told josef and yourself a few weeks back, but how do you think that he was able to obtain power? It wasn’t because the poor thought that the US back regime was doing wonders for them. Granted it hasn’t worked out as well as the poor had imagined, but our own foreign policy sometimes is our biggest and toughest enemy……………..
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
4:45 pm
Bro, my comment was truly about the fact that Mr. Chu thinks the US should concentrate it’s monetary resources on electric car batteries, not cheaper fuel.
Ok. What if he stated we should use proven alternatives such as CNG or Hydrogen to suppliment our domestic supplies to wean us off imports while we were still researching and improving on eletric vehicles… Would that statement pass muster with you, or are you all oil all the time?
ByteMe
May 22nd, 2012
4:45 pm
Adjusted for inflation, the price of gasoline is about what it was during the early Reagan years.
Is that a damnation of the dollar’s decline in value?
People who worry about gas prices really don’t grasp the maxim: the cure for high gas prices is high gas prices.
sure they are
May 22nd, 2012
4:46 pm
I find it funny that liberals shout personal choices to problems but want someone else to pay to resolve them……and mandate it….
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
4:46 pm
They’re stealing a page from North Korea’s playbook. They’re stalling, they must be close to getting a nuke.
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
4:46 pm
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
4:43 pm
Adjusted for inflation, the price of gasoline is about what it was during the early Reagan years.
Wouldn’t that be a misleading stat though given the brutal 81-82 recession in the early Reagan years?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 22nd, 2012
4:47 pm
Aquagirl
Thanks for the chuckle…..
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
4:47 pm
Too bad jay doesn’t apply his healthy Iranian skepticism to the democratic party as well
Joe Hussein Mama
May 22nd, 2012
4:47 pm
S. T. Are — “I have to ask this Jay, how am I supposed to fit my family into one of those electric cars, I have six in my family, including two in baby carseats?”
If we can go from a standing start to walking on the Moon in ten years, we ought to be able to put you and your family in a safe, reliable, efficient and comfortable electric car in the same amount of time. It all boils down to national will.
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
4:47 pm
Doom
Iran doesn’t produce 13%, but enough to potentially impact the price depending on what other oil producing countries do or do not do
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
ByteMe
May 22nd, 2012
4:48 pm
Right before the Iraq war, gas in my neighborhood hit $0.99/gal.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
4:48 pm
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
4:40 pm
Doom
Increasing deportations of criminal aliens has had a negative effect in the places they’ve been shipped off to
Who F’ing cares???
sure they are
May 22nd, 2012
4:48 pm
Bro, your answer is good enough, eventually we ought to find and use more than just oil…competition is good in that respect….more choices lead to better pricing….
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
4:48 pm
They both suck,
I agree. I just call folks like Chavez a backlash against U.S. foreign policy- particularly our historic support for banana dictators in Latin America. Sometimes the backlash against our policy is big enough to produce a fool like Chavez- or Castro.
Jefferson
May 22nd, 2012
4:49 pm
Gas could be $6 and you would still buy it, maybe not as much but it would be sold.
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
4:49 pm
Invest in green energy and stop crying about oil for thirty years.
Solve the problem or stop whining about it.
Big oil does not need any welfare
They can’t even cut that welfare.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
4:50 pm
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
4:46 pm
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
4:43 pm
Adjusted for inflation, the price of gasoline is about what it was during the early Reagan years.
How about the Carter years?
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
4:51 pm
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
Who F’ing asked you???
Joe Hussein Mama
May 22nd, 2012
4:51 pm
F. P. Ayers — “They’re stealing a page from North Korea’s playbook. They’re stalling, they must be close to getting a nuke.”
FWIW, having a nuke isn’t much use unless they have a functional delivery system that can get it where they want it to go. And the raggedy-azz North Korean system probably has the Chinese going ‘dude, watch out where you POINT that thing.’ If the Norks tried to fire off that failure of a satellite launcher they’ve got with a nuclear warhead on top of it, the thing would probably land somewhere in the ocean and go POOF.
carlosgvv
May 22nd, 2012
4:51 pm
Why doesn’t Israel quietly send word to all Arab States that if Iran attacks them with nukes they will respond by nuking EVERY SINGLE Arab State and turn the entire Middle East into a nucelar wasteland? Seems to me most of the Arab States would put considerable pressure on Iran not to produce an atom bomb.
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
4:51 pm
Doom
Pretty decent gas prices and adjusted inflation chart
http://inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_rate/gasoline_inflation.asp
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
4:51 pm
They both suck,
They used to produce 13 or 17% I don’t remember which but I think it was actually the higher number. The reason i remember that stat is that when they were waging war Iran and Iraq respectively produced those 2 percentages of world output which equaled 30% of world output at that time. Since then of course I’m sure that through war, economic mismanagement and the degrading of facilities that both are producing substantially less. And that the rest of the world is likewise producing more.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
4:51 pm
Fresh Prince…
“Who F’ing cares???”
You should. Increased instability in Mexico and Central America does not bode well for us…does the term enlightened self-interest mean anything to you?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 22nd, 2012
4:52 pm
More of Thulsa trying to anger liberals by pretending to be very very dumb
Well, Thelma don’t have to pretend too hard. It’s sort of like the guy that can’t read pretending he can’t read, if you know what I mean.
Anyway, I say let’s get cozy with the Towelheads till they let their guard down. Then we turn the whole country into a pile of melted glass. We got all those troops over there. Might as well use them to turn that bunch of heathens into good Christians. Before you know it they’ll be cheating each other and stepping all over poor people and holding Tea Party rallies and packing heat in church.
Have a good Tuesday night everybody. Soon as this check-in is finished I’m heading home to Fox News and the Truth.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 22nd, 2012
4:52 pm
F. P. Ayers — “How about the Carter years?”
The lines and shortages took place during the Nixon Administration, not Carter’s term. The Arab Oil Embargo was in 1974.
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
4:53 pm
carlos
Why would Israel nuke every Arab and Muslim state or do you mean just the Arabs?
Not all ME countries are even that friendly with Iran.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
4:53 pm
I find it funny that liberals shout personal choices to problems but want someone else to pay to resolve them……and mandate it….
I find it funny that you don’t have the resolve to approach your employer, lay out a logical reason you need a raise, and ask for it. If they won’t pay you what you think you are worth, find someone who will or strike out on your own.
I don’t recall saying anything at all about mandating someone else to resolve your problem.
JKL2
May 22nd, 2012
4:53 pm
Iran will get rid of their nukes by detonating them over Israel. Anything else would be a failure to them. If they are agreeing to anything it is to stall for time or to relax our defenses so they can bring in some more parts/equipment.
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
May 22nd, 2012
4:53 pm
Hi, Joseph, I think you got me mixed up with Granny G. This my first post on this topic.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 22nd, 2012
4:54 pm
Carlosgvv — “Why doesn’t Israel quietly send word to all Arab States that if Iran attacks them with nukes they will respond by nuking EVERY SINGLE Arab State and turn the entire Middle East into a nucelar wasteland?”
Israel’s longstanding policy has been to neither confirm or deny that they even HAVE the bomb. For many years, the best intel we had about Israeli nuclear research came from South Africa, who cooperated with Israel on nuclear research back in the 70s.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
4:55 pm
CARLOS
The Arab world would like nothing better than an Israeli “take out” on Iran. There’s no love lost between the Arabs and the Persians. It’s not Israel’s quiet message to them we need to be considering, but their quiet word to Washington to pass on the Israel…
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
4:55 pm
And the reason that the GOP will not win the White House back until 2024. If then…
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
No Jamvet. Arrogance such as in statements like that will win them an election faster. Arrogance such as Pelosi and Reid showed when they got a majority and rammed Obama care down the throats of the republicans while telling them to sit down and shut up their input wasn’t wanted or needed. Arrogance like that is what got us this current system where no Republican in the house will side with the democrats to get a bill through and the House will not even entertain a Democrat idea.
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
4:55 pm
TD
You could be right, but since that time Russia has really ramped up production as well as Brazil, Canada, Venezuela and Mexico
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
4:56 pm
jm,
The dems are on the attack and willard is running from his horrible jobs numbers.
Our President wins the number one issue of jobs.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
4:56 pm
josef
May 22nd, 2012
4:51 pm
Fresh Prince…
“Who F’ing cares???”
You should. Increased instability in Mexico and Central America does not bode well for us…does the term enlightened self-interest mean anything to you?
If the borders were manned and sealed it wouldn’t be that much of a problem. And if Eric “rat face” Holder hadn’t run guns to them it might be less of a problem, agree self proclaimed “enlightened one?”
josef
May 22nd, 2012
4:57 pm
G-MARE…
Ooops.. I did! But you know all you old ladies look alike…
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
4:58 pm
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
4:56 pm
jm,
The dems are on the attack and willard is running from his horrible jobs numbers.
Our President wins the number one issue of jobs
Not intended to be factual. There’s that tingly feeling in his leg
PJ
May 22nd, 2012
4:58 pm
sure they are @4:46 pm
Two wars, Med Part D, No Child Left Behind, Tax Cuts. All unfunded Con mandates and programs running into the billions of dollars and still counting. Oh yeah, those liberals…………. .
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
4:58 pm
Brocephus,
Well yeah increasing deportation effected those countries disproportionately but that’s not really our fault. We just sent them back to the countries they came from.
Also this is how a lot of those gangs got started. The roots of some of those gangs were that the members were actually unemployed guerilla soldiers. There is nothing more dangerous than a newly unemployed guerilla fighter who has time on his hands and no job.
Take a look at history. After the ending of the Guatemalan and Salvadoran civil wars thousands of newly unemployed guerrilas resulted in a sharp rise in criminal activity in those countries. But their law is harsh and naturally some of them started migrating to the U.S. for criminal activity. So the idea that we exported crime to them is actually the reverse. It started with them exporting crime to us with a lot of aimless young men- often ex guerrillas without a job who had previously only known violence.
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
4:59 pm
“but their quiet word to Washington to pass on the Israel…”
BINGO
You get the gold star for the day. You and I have previously discussed this issue, but it seems most to not understand or agree.
ByteMe
May 22nd, 2012
4:59 pm
Why doesn’t Israel quietly send word to all Arab States that if Iran attacks them with nukes they will respond by nuking EVERY SINGLE Arab State and turn the entire Middle East into a nucelar wasteland
Pretty much every other Arab state is Sunni and Iran is Shia. The Arabs are not friends of the Persians.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 22nd, 2012
4:59 pm
Fred
No son, the ultimate arrogance is rewriting history….
sit down and shut up? really?
who’s idea was the mandate? uh?
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
4:59 pm
Fred,
The reason why health care passed was insurance costs were rising and onlt the wealthy could afford it. The health care system would collapse. That is not arrogance, that is reality.
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
4:59 pm
Granny G: Someone accused you of using an ALT earlier and I didn’t believe it. You weren’t posting as Becky were you?
josef
May 22nd, 2012
5:00 pm
FRESH PRINCE
Sounds like a good idea…except it doesn’t work that way…it’s not entirely a matter of control of out borders, but what instability in that part of the world does to our own economic and security interests there…
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
5:00 pm
If the borders were manned and sealed it wouldn’t be that much of a problem.
25,000 Border Patrol Agents and 20,000 Customs and Border Protection Officers can’t do it. If you want manned and sealed borders, go to a communist country, because you’re not gonna get that AND maintain your freedom to move about here in the US if that’s what you’re after.
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm
They both suck,
I agree with your statement. Its probably more of the fact that Russia in particular and some other countries you mentioned have significantly ramped up production. That and the degradation of their own facilities in Iran/Iraq to a lesser degree- war sure seemed to have dampered production in both countries.
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm
Fresh Prince
Thanks for coming on today. No need for anyone to run to any of the conservative talk shows or blogs. You are regurgitating the talking points in such a eloquent manner.
Thanks again for the public service
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
5:02 pm
Getalife and Granny: Rewriting history? YOU are rewriting history if you are saying that after Obama was elected and the Democrats had the House and 60 Senators that they DIDN’T tell the Republicans to sit down and shut up while they passed Obama care then you are delusional. There was ZERO Republican input in that bill which is why the Republicans are so rabid about it.
Please don’t demean yourselves and try to make up something……….
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
5:02 pm
If the borders were manned and sealed it wouldn’t be that much of a problem.
If we hadn’t spent all that money in Iraq, maybe we could’ve focused on the borders.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Nah, if that kinda government money was available you silly cons would be all about tax cuts.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
5:03 pm
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
4:59 pm
Fred,
The reason why health care passed was insurance costs were rising and onlt the wealthy could afford it. The health care system would collapse. That is not arrogance, that is reality
So educate yourself, get a better paying job or work 2 jobs if you feel the need to have health insurance. Unless you are in abject poverty or on government assistance,you will not like the price tag out of your paycheck. Someone has to pay for the free-loaders.
That Black Guy
May 22nd, 2012
5:03 pm
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
4:17 pm
As for gas prices they are slowly dropping but are still well above the $1.81 they were when Obama came into office. When gas drops to $1.81 you may then crow loudly.
More of Thulsa trying to anger liberals by pretending to be very very dumb.
_______________________________________________________________________
But someone insinuating that Obama has anything to do with the recent drop in gas prices, well, that’s not dumb at all, right Jay?
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
5:03 pm
princess,
bain fired American for profit to destroy families and communities.
willard ranked 47th on jobs when he was governor.
Horrible job numbers and facts you ignore..
Mighty Righty
May 22nd, 2012
5:04 pm
Amazingly, there are people who think Iran agreeing to talk is a “new” break through. It is not. Actually Iran has been talking since at least 2003 with the European Union and the United Nations. They have been allowing IAEA inspectors in their country as well. All prior agreements have been changed, lied about and ignored by Iran. This newest ploy is nothing different from many past delaying tactics by the Iranian government. They stall and we agree to the stall. Hopefully, this time it will be different. But, there is nothing in the history of our present administration to make one think this time will be different. I believe their sudden interest in re-opening discussions is not the result of any U.S. initiative or sanctions, it is more than likely their interest is stimulated by Israel’s tough position.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 22nd, 2012
5:04 pm
F. P. Ayers — “If the borders were manned and sealed it wouldn’t be that much of a problem.”
We’ve got what, like eight or nine thousand miles of land border with Mexico and Canada? But you’re talking about it like it would be a simple matter.
I’m pretty sure the Border Patrol would have trouble recruiting guys to stand guard on our borders with the Yukon and the Northwest Territories of Canada.
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
5:04 pm
Doom
The only group I know that has a verified tie in with military origins would be the Los Zetas in Mexico. They were Mexican Special Forces if I remember correctly (had to do a bit of crash studying on gangs). You may be partially correct in some of the origins, but I don’t think many of the founders of most Latin gangs would have been old enough and/or seasoned enough from a military standpoint for that to be a factor in their origins.
Believe it or not, the US military has had an unwitting hand in training gang members in military-styled warfare techniques too.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
Nah, if that kinda government money was available you silly cons would be all about tax cuts
And the Dem’s would pi$$ it away on green energy and refunding money to investors that Corzine screwed.
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
TBG
I’m not Jay, but it would be dumb.
Did you see my reply to your 4:30 downstairs?
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
princess,
Your party loves welfare for people that need no help and making record profits.
Your lies do not work on this blog princess.
That Black Guy
May 22nd, 2012
5:09 pm
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
4:02 pm
Predictably, the rabid right wingers hate this news.
_______________________________________________
Jam, who would that be?
Anyone on this blog?
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
5:09 pm
Bro @ 5:04
Not sure what they call it now because it was renamed after much negative PR, but the School of America’s in Fort Benning, Ga has trained some of the best assassins that Latin America has ever known. Anyone that thinks that some of these guys haven’t left the military or could still be in and are not training narco gangs are not living in the real world
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
5:09 pm
“More of Thulsa trying to anger liberals by pretending to be very very dumb.”
And that’s just more of you trying to get a rise out of me Jay. Much to your discredit.
I’ve been posting today since around 12:30 or 1 pm today and I challenge you to go back and find a post where I’ve been rude or have baited or tried to anger liberals with my posts. If you can find one post where I’ve exhibited rudeness or tried to “get a rise” out of people then show it to me.
If you can find just one then you won’t even need to ban me. I will go ahead and permanently ban myself from your site.
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
5:10 pm
Some will fail but some will provide jobs.
Enough with big oil welfare.
It is irresponsible.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
5:11 pm
And the Dem’s would pi$$ it away on green energy and refunding money to investors that Corzine screwed.
As I recall, we did have a projected budget surplus in 2000. Now remind me again, which candidate wanted to save for a rainy day and which candidate promised tax cuts?
carlosgvv
May 22nd, 2012
5:11 pm
They, Joe, Joseph
My post isn’t that hard to understand. The idea is that Israel QUIETLY inform the Middle East
ARAB states that if they (Israel) go, they will nuke all the Arab States.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
5:12 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
May 22nd, 2012
5:04 pm
F. P. Ayers — “If the borders were manned and sealed it wouldn’t be that much of a problem.”
Ok, force the states that give them driver’s licenses to stop. Dis-allow banks, check cashing services and money transfer companies from doing business with them. Force hospitals to not deal with anyone without a to date verifiable visa or social security card. Audit high illegal employers like companies that deal with construction and hispanic restaurants for their employees paperwork and bank records… You get the idea?
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
5:12 pm
Getalife 4:56 um, wrong. Whatever
Romney polls far better on jobs than Obama
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
5:13 pm
As I recall, we did have a projected budget surplus in 2000. Now remind me again, which candidate wanted to save for a rainy day and which candidate promised tax cuts?
Can we talk about Obama’s budget? BwaaaHaaaaBwaaaaHaaaa
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
5:13 pm
carlos
It isn’t about understanding your post. It is about something that isn’t going to occur and really doesn’t make as much sense as you seem to think it does.
Your opinion. I get that, but it isn’t going to happen
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
5:14 pm
Doomy? Been watching the History channel (or whatever channel has those gang things on lol)?
I saw that same episode. The El Salvadoran dudes used the machetes. Then like Brocephus said, there were the Mexican Spec Ops dudes. There are a ton of Latin American gangs here but there is a difference. Unlike THEIR backwoods countries, we have folks like Brocephus who WILL put a whooping on that ass.
They ARE NOT going to go around terrorizing the populace, killing judges and Congressfolks and such like they do in their own Countries. We WILL stop it here.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
5:14 pm
As I recall, we did have a projected budget surplus in 2000. Now remind me again, which candidate wanted to save for a rainy day and which candidate promised tax cuts?
You can thank Newt for that.
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
5:14 pm
This is a election for Americans that don’t ignore facts, the collapse and the last gop disaster called w.
cons ignore these facts and they don’t matter.
They can’t win on lies and just the con vote.
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
5:14 pm
Thulsa I did not imply in any way that you had been in any way rude or insulting.
My point was — and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong — that you are too intelligent to TRULY believe that $1.80 gasoline was anything but a very temporary aberration caused by a global economic collapse.
Again, maybe I was wrong in that assessment.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
5:15 pm
carlos
I don’t think there’s any need to “quietly inform” the Middle East of what Israel (under the auspices of the United States) would do if attacked. Israel has made it clear on any number of occasions…
Sarah Gee
May 22nd, 2012
5:15 pm
I hope Iran is ready to negotiate. Obama has made it a requirement for his crediblity that Iran not have a nuclear weapon. After his rhetroic, his crediblity woudl be utterly shot if Iran is allowed to go nuclear. Unfortunately for Israel, his history is not great.
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
5:16 pm
jm,
You know the only poll that matters is in November.
Four more years!
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
5:16 pm
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
5:14 pm
This is a election for Americans that don’t ignore facts, the collapse and the last gop disaster called w.
cons ignore these facts and they don’t matter.
They can’t win on lies and just the con vote.
Help me Obamawankenobi help me. You’re my only hope….
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
5:16 pm
If you can find just one then you won’t even need to ban me. I will go ahead and permanently ban myself from your site.
WTF? You and I BOTH on the same day trying to be polite? Ya reckon it’s the blood ring around the moon with that weird eclipse or something? I mean normal folks get all rabid and sht but us rabid folks are becoming docile?
Joe Hussein Mama
May 22nd, 2012
5:16 pm
Carlosgvv — “My post isn’t that hard to understand. The idea is that Israel QUIETLY inform the Middle East ARAB states that if they (Israel) go, they will nuke all the Arab States.”
I understood your post just fine. The Israelis apparently prefer to keep everyone guessing about the size of their nuclear package, so to speak.
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
5:17 pm
doomy ignores the collapse and is a Bama fan.
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
May 22nd, 2012
5:18 pm
Fresh Prince, thank Newt, really???
Joe Hussein Mama
May 22nd, 2012
5:18 pm
F. P. Ayers — “Ok, force the states that give them driver’s licenses to stop. Dis-allow banks, check cashing services and money transfer companies from doing business with them. Force hospitals to not deal with anyone without a to date verifiable visa or social security card. Audit high illegal employers like companies that deal with construction and hispanic restaurants for their employees paperwork and bank records… You get the idea?”
I get your idea, but isn’t it more than a little OT?
I don’t have a problem discussing the topic with you, but how did you get on it from the OP, exactly?
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
5:18 pm
“Help me Obamawankenobi help me. You’re my only hope….”
If you can’t debate better than that, blogging is not for you con.
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
5:18 pm
Getalife 5:16 that first part is true
Its anything but a cake walk for Romney
But he has several things in his favor for winning
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
5:19 pm
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
5:12 pm
Audit high illegal employers like companies that deal with construction and hispanic restaurants for their employees paperwork and bank records… You get the idea?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
No, I don’t. how about audit the BANKS who employ the illegal Indians and Canadians. What about all those f’ing illegal Chinese? What is wrong with you people? How has a Hispanic face become the face of the “illegals?”
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
5:19 pm
I do like what the newt and perry said about bain.
Did you cons see the ad?
Fatal flaw indeed.
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
5:20 pm
“or work 2 jobs”
What a lazy POS.
Just two?
Your beloved Boy Emperor thought it was great that in America you could work three jobs.
And you wonder why millions of people around the globe think you neocons are batshiite crazy…
That Black Guy
May 22nd, 2012
5:21 pm
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
4:48 pm
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
4:40 pm
Doom
Increasing deportations of criminal aliens has had a negative effect in the places they’ve been shipped off to
Who F’ing cares???
________________________________________________
You should.
Why?
Because they COME BACK, meaner, more experienced, and with friends. To a neighborhood near you.
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
5:21 pm
“But someone insinuating that Obama has anything to do with the recent drop in gas prices, well, that’s not dumb at all, right Jay?”
That black guy,
Thanks much. That’s a pretty obvious point that I didn’t even think about. Neither did Jay in his zeal to criticize me.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
5:22 pm
PJ
Just so we keep the record straight, that NCLB abomination was bi-partisan…
Joe Hussein Mama
May 22nd, 2012
5:22 pm
Fred — “What is wrong with you people? How has a Hispanic face become the face of the “illegals?”
I’ve said it here before (and I’m sure Brosephus remembers), but it bears saying again.
My wife is Hispanic. Born in the US to American parents, but dark hair, dark skin, brown eyes and all that. Speaks English like she was born here, because she was. The only accent she’s got is a bit of West Coast California girl.
My friend’s wife is British. Blond, blue eyes and ‘ere now, wot’s oll this then?’
Guess which one gets pulled out of line at the airport? The born-here one or the obvious foreigner?
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
5:23 pm
TD
Look at it this way. If JB doesn’t acknowledge you and even chastise you then he probably doesn’t love you……
Feel the LOVE……………….
josef
May 22nd, 2012
5:24 pm
FRED
Remember the South Asian commedian-commentator on Jon Stewart…there’s parking attendant Brown and systems engineer Brown…
barking frog
May 22nd, 2012
5:24 pm
getalife
Jm says Willard is winning.
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
5:25 pm
“Guess which one gets pulled out of line at the airport? The born-here one or the obvious foreigner?”
It’s all in how you phrase the question. Let me p[hrase it to YOU in a different way and see how YOU answer………………
Guess which one gets pulled out of line at the airport? The hot dark haired exotic looking chick or the bleached blond ugly chick?
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
5:26 pm
Frog
Stop talking to yourself
josef
May 22nd, 2012
5:26 pm
“Guess which one gets pulled out of line at the airport? The born-here one or the obvious foreigner?”
Yep.
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
5:27 pm
“you may be partially correct in some of the origins, but I don’t think many of the founders of most Latin gangs would have been old enough and/or seasoned enough from a military standpoint for that to be a factor in their origins.”
You’re right. I’m only partially correct on that. But keep in mind that what I’m also saying is that a lot of young, aimless men who would have up and joined the guerillas and been prime recruits for them during those guerilla years then opted instead for a life of crime instead when there were no guerrilla armies operating. Strange as it seems a guerilla army is also a source of employment.
“Believe it or not, the US military has had an unwitting hand in training gang members in military-styled warfare techniques too.”
Good point. Doesn’t surprise me in the least. I do know of several cases where gang members joined the military, got their training, and then brought it back with them to the streets.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 22nd, 2012
5:27 pm
Fred — “Guess which one gets pulled out of line at the airport? The hot dark haired exotic looking chick or the bleached blond ugly chick?”
To be fair, my friend’s wife is quite easy on the eyes, but her voice has got a decidedly fingernails + chalkboard quality to it.
jm
May 22nd, 2012
5:28 pm
oops
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/22/obamas-war-on-coal-hits-your-electric-bill/print#ixzz1vdALNXOI
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
5:28 pm
jm,
Fair enough but willard can’t run from questions.
“The attack on free enterprise” will not cut it on bain.
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
5:29 pm
frog,
Polls show it is even but they had mccain up by 10.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 22nd, 2012
5:30 pm
jm — Someone tell Fox to get with the program. Just last week, the GOP line was that it was unconscionable to politicize things by calling them ‘wars.’ (laughing)
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
5:30 pm
“Remember the South Asian commedian-commentator on Jon Stewart…there’s parking attendant Brown and systems engineer Brown…”
LOl josef, nope. Never watched the show. But I can see from what you wrote where the joke goes.
What is that other phrase? Steal a little and they call you a thief steal a lot and they make you a king…………….
That phrase is in this tune I’m linking. Listen to it, One of the best mellow guitar solo’s I’ve ever heard. To me it’s as good as Hendrix’s in “The Wind Cries Mary.” It’s a Dylan tune and he’s singing, but he’s actually palatable in this one. I’m gonna split for the evening. I was waiting for an answer from Granny but she obviously split.
Ya’ll have a great evening. Oh and Josef? What’s a sweetheart like you doing in a place like this? ROFL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpRKstHl7Y0
josef
May 22nd, 2012
5:31 pm
FRED
I’ve told this one before, but…
One evening we were passing the time of day on the street with one of our Latina neighbors, a blonde blue-eyed woman. She and I were speaking Spanish. We were talking about some recent INS raids in the area. Unmentionable, who doesn’t speak it but does understand it, told us “speak English! They’ll haul me in. I’m criminally swarthy.”
That Black Guy
May 22nd, 2012
5:31 pm
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
4:59 pm
Fred,
The reason why health care passed was insurance costs were rising and onlt the wealthy could afford it.
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I’m not wealthy and i could afford it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
5:32 pm
Audit high illegal employers like companies that deal with construction and hispanic restaurants for their employees paperwork and bank records… You get the idea?
Too funny!
I got “the idea” 26 years ago after St. Ronnie of the RayGun’s 1986 amnesty, sport. You seem to be whining about the open gate long after the fact.
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
5:35 pm
TBG,
Even if it kept rising ?
josef
May 22nd, 2012
5:37 pm
“…hispanic restaurants for their employees paperwork,,,”
Meanwhile ignoring the non Hispanic restaurants? Jeeeze…five star to fat burger…they all participate…
That Black Guy
May 22nd, 2012
5:38 pm
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
5:03 pm
princess,
bain fired American for profit to destroy families and communities
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Did Bain save any companies? Did they grow any of those companies? Are any of those companies still successful?
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
5:42 pm
josef: “Criminally swarthy” LOL that’s a classic. I got the phrase wrong, been too long since I listened to that awesome tune:
They say that patriotism is the last refuge
To which a scoundrel clings
Steal a little and they throw you in jail
Steal a lot and they make you king
josef
May 22nd, 2012
5:42 pm
K’chak
It never ceases to amaze me in these discussions of illegal immigration and the battle cry of “no amnesty,” how many of those championing the round ‘em up, herd ‘em out plan are the same ones who think Ronnie was the Saviour…completely ignoring his stand on the issue put into practice by his amnesty program…
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
5:42 pm
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
5:14 pm
“Thulsa I did not imply in any way that you had been in any way rude or insulting.
My point was — and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong — that you are too intelligent to TRULY believe that $1.80 gasoline was anything but a very temporary aberration caused by a global economic collapse.
Again, maybe I was wrong in that assessment.”- Jay
Jay,
Seems to me that you just singled me out for a 2nd straight day in a somewhat scornful and vindictive manner no matter how polite I’ve been today. I didn’t call anyone any names or ridicule anyone or do anything to deserve that commentary. And as that black guy aptly pointed out my comment was no dumber than Adam’s original comment that Obama is somehow responsible for falling gas prices. Funny but you did not note how absurd that comment was.
Nevertheless I’ll address your statement. Gas was abnormally cheap at $1.81 and much of it did have to do with the global recession. However, the point of what we have been talking about amongst ourselves is that global demand probably will drop substantially given looming recession in Europe. I was thinking about the European crisis as well even though we hadn’t yet broached the topic.
And on top of that there have been other times in history when gas was cheap. When Clinton came into office it was $18 a barrel if I remember correctly although I’ve not adjusted it for inflation.
And thirdly as you well know dollar denominated purchases of gas have a lot to do with things since the dollar has lost something like half its value since Obama came into office. That loss in value is attributed mostly to our ever worsening deficit/debt situation. And I suspect you know that and that the dollar- which is under continual decline under Obama due to our worsening financial situation, is also is a key to the actual cost of gas.
If you are going to treat me in a derogatory manner when I make a comment that is anything but rude then just tell me now and I’ll just gladly cease and desist from posting on your blog. Or if you just want me to leave voluntarily just say so and I will.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
5:43 pm
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
5:18 pm
“Help me Obamawankenobi help me. You’re my only hope….”
If you can’t debate better than that, blogging is not for you con.
At least I can string together a sentence without numerous grammatical and spelling errors. I’d double check your resume if looking for a job which I doubt.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 22nd, 2012
5:44 pm
Doom — “If you are going to treat me in a derogatory manner when I make a comment that is anything but rude then just tell me now and I’ll just gladly cease and desist from posting on your blog. Or if you just want me to leave voluntarily just say so and I will.”
Dude, come down off the cross.
Paul
May 22nd, 2012
5:44 pm
Jay
Here’s hoping.
IF an agreement is reached, uranium stores are let go, etc. the US needs to avoid the chest-pounding and strutting (altho individual politicians will not be able to help themselves). Iran will likely play it that this proves they never had military intent and their sole intent was to get the West to recognize Iranian preeminence in the Gulf and to be consulted blah blah blah. This needs to be treated as both sides getting what they wanted in a mutually agreeable framework.
It will be interesting, right before an election, to see if Republican politicians find obstacles with verification and such. I can almost guarantee they will. It would be despicable for them to put partisan political interest above national interest. But it would not be the first time, for either party.
TaxPayer
May 22nd, 2012
5:45 pm
Obama would be responsible for higher gas prices if he approved that Keystone pipeline. Yet one more reason to just say no.
kayaker 71
May 22nd, 2012
5:45 pm
This is shades of Panmunjom. The first of the “breakthroughs” in negotiation with the little Iranian. If you think that the Iranians are willing to talk before they have the bomb, you are living in some kind of liberal nirvana. Delay, delay, delay…. then offer “hope”, then more delays. anything to give them more time. But this is a Bozo success…… just ask him. After all, he “got” OBL, nes-ce-pas?
TaxPayer
May 22nd, 2012
5:46 pm
Dude, come down off the cross.
Those big nails are so hard to pull out on your own.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
5:46 pm
FRED
“If you owe the bank $100,000, it’s your problem; if you owe them a million, it’s theirs”
–Rosalie from “Rosalie Goes Shopping”
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
5:47 pm
josef
May 22nd, 2012
5:42 pm
K’chak
It never ceases to amaze me in these discussions of illegal immigration and the battle cry of “no amnesty,” how many of those championing the round ‘em up, herd ‘em out plan are the same ones who think Ronnie was the Saviour…completely ignoring his stand on the issue put into practice by his amnesty program…
Most of us are smart enough to realize that was a mistake. Millions more came in hope of amnesty. But I’m sure if Obama repeats history it will be better than Ronnie. Except that they will be competing for the same jobs as unemployed, previously tax paying citizens…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
5:47 pm
josef
I was on the front lines in the construction biz and saw first hand the flood of IAs, and for two and a half decades no on said squat. Now all of a sudden it’s the same ones whining about the deficit that are willing to pay “whatever it takes” on a per head basis to round ‘em up and ship ‘em back.
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
5:47 pm
Regarding not just amnesty for illegals, but a plethora of other disasters, economic, social and foreign, neocons have exceptionally short memories.
Or as I call it, convenient forgetfulness.
i.e., the entire Reagan and Bush 43 administrations!
Paul
May 22nd, 2012
5:49 pm
Jay
And I do wonder how new realities may have influenced Iranian thinking.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/experts-irans-underground-nuclear-sites-not-immune-to-us-bunker-busters/2012/02/24/gIQAzWaghR_story.html
We do need to continue with the upgrade program. Never know when the end product will come in handy.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/226367.html
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
5:49 pm
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
5:47 pm
Regarding not just amnesty for illegals, but a plethora of other disasters, economic, social and foreign, neocons have exceptionally short memories.
Or as I call it, convenient forgetfulness.
i.e., the entire Reagan and Bush 43 administrations!
Combined they’re not as bad as Carter’s. Whom you would vote for again because of the “D” tag.
That Black Guy
May 22nd, 2012
5:49 pm
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
TBG
I’m not Jay, but it would be dumb.
Did you see my reply to your 4:30 downstairs?
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Yeah, I saw it. That was the first thing that popped into my head (being a Teddy P fan)
But I KNOW Bro didn’t see my 4:40 down there.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
5:50 pm
Most of us are smart enough to realize that was a mistake.
Most of you didn’t say jack sh*t about it for 26 years.
Paul
May 22nd, 2012
5:51 pm
JamVet
If amnesty is good enough for Nixon, it’s good enough for people who wash dishes and clean toilets and pick fruits and vegetables.
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
5:51 pm
Jhm the word “war” has been commoditized
Sadly
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
5:51 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
5:50 pm
Most of us are smart enough to realize that was a mistake.
Most of you didn’t say jack sh*t about it for 26 years
I’ve hated it for 26 years. That’s the reason why cons are against it now, and dumbocrats want to repeat history because they’re “progressive” er, need the hispanic vote…
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
5:53 pm
Josef 5:46
That’s a cheap line that sounds savvy
And wrong
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
5:53 pm
“Millions more came in hope of amnesty.”
Most came seeking jobs that US companies, small and large, were providing to them so they could save money and in turn YOU benefited, but carry on with your diatribe.
Yes some came to have babies, etc………. but your false reality is skewed to meet your agenda and view to say the least
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
5:54 pm
TBG
I’m a huge Teddy P fan……….. He is my favorite R&B artist.
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
5:55 pm
“Whom you would vote for again because of the “D” tag.”
have you ever done the same because of an “R” tag?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
5:55 pm
If you are going to treat me in a derogatory manner when I make a comment that is anything but rude then just tell me now and I’ll just gladly cease and desist from posting on your blog. Or if you just want me to leave voluntarily just say so and I will.
Doomy, party of one?
Pity party at table 5.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
5:55 pm
K’chak
“Most of you didn’t say jack sh*t about it for 26 years.”
The memo just came out…
PAUL
“If amnesty is good enough for Nixon, it’s good enough for people who wash dishes and clean toilets and pick fruits and vegetables.”
You think so?
What you wanna bet if a condition for amnesty was registration with the GOP, we wouldn’t have a Hallelujah Chorus from the ones kvetching the most here and now…
kayaker 71
May 22nd, 2012
5:55 pm
JamVet, 5:47,
Perhaps a better term would be selective indignation, something that Bookman and you have a pretty tight lock on. Along with telling half truths, ignoring others….. it makes for a Bookman blog. If he keeps getting rid of people like @@ and possibly Doom, perhaps he will have only his sycophants to post of this liberal love fest.
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
5:56 pm
Joe Mama,
That was funny but those were pretty big nails. Seriously I just don’t see that I’ve done anything for him to be singling me out- especially today. And if someone really just doesn’t want you around they ought to just say so if that’s the case. Anyway I’ve neglected some of my afternoon work so I’m going to self ban myself for a little bit and get some work done. Anyway ya’ll have fun and played nice.
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
5:57 pm
That Black Guy: I’m glad you are posting more. You have good stuff. Don’t always agree with where you are but I think I know how you got there intellectually.
Check this out, maybe you’ll like it. This kid is awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Wcr82UOsw&list=FLBFI9bcIcPzzTDjgPb0CnJA&index=90&feature=plpp_video
josef
May 22nd, 2012
5:57 pm
JM
Oh, I don’t know about the savvy part. Have you seen the movie?
Paul
May 22nd, 2012
5:57 pm
josef
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think you may have engineered a breakthrough!
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
5:58 pm
OK, Prince, be the very first neocon ever to stack up Carter’s shortcomings against your beloved W’s.
You go first.
And I’ll crush you like a bug.
That Black Guy
May 22nd, 2012
5:58 pm
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
5:09 pm
Bro @ 5:04
Not sure what they call it now because it was renamed after much negative PR, but the School of America’s in Fort Benning,
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They were one building over when I was stationed there. They used to eat in our messhall.
Thulsa Doom
May 22nd, 2012
5:59 pm
kamchak,
No pity party needed. I just want him to say what’s on his mind is all if he would rather me leave. That’s all. The good thing is it gave you the opportunity to take a shot.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
6:01 pm
That’s the reason why cons are against it now…
No, the cons are against it now because it is politically expedient for them to be.
Only with unemployment so high are the party pols willing to listen to the cry of “They took our JERBS!”
And when the unemployment numbers retreat, it will become another non issue.
Aquagirl
May 22nd, 2012
6:02 pm
I’ve hated it for 26 years. That’s the reason why cons are against it now
I’d buy these claims of hatred a lot more if the cons had done something besides watch the cheap labor pour in. And now you’re demanding somebody do something RIGHT NOW DAMMIT. Yeah right buddy.
They’re here, and all your fantasies about a magic deportation machine are…well, fantasies. Indulge all you want here, ’cause that’s as close as you’re ever gonna get.
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
6:02 pm
71, grow a pair.
The unstable @ @ got rid of herself.
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
6:03 pm
I’m not picking on you, Thulsa, but the value of the dollar has NOT dropped by half since Obama took office. Not even close.
The dollar/euro exchange today is about equal to what it was when Obama took office. It’s down around 10 percent against the yen, up some 25 percent on the Canadian dollar.
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
6:04 pm
TBG
Grew up in Columbus, dad was retired military. My mom is from Panama. One of her cousins went through the school in the 80s.
Granted they do some great work and training, but some do end up utilizing that training in not so “good” ways to say the least
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
6:05 pm
If you are going to treat me in a derogatory manner when I make a comment that is anything but rude then just tell me now and I’ll just gladly cease and desist from posting on your blog. Or if you just want me to leave voluntarily just say so and I will.
Is this a dagger which I see before me,
The handle toward my hand? Come, let me clutch thee.
I have thee not, and yet I see thee still.
Fainting couch alert, clean up on aisle 3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHby_TDUHaE&list=FLBFI9bcIcPzzTDjgPb0CnJA&index=183&feature=plpp_video
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
6:05 pm
And Thulsa, banning you was nowhere and is nowhere on my radar screen. I have no idea where you got that notion.
If I have that kind of problem with someone, I don’t usually leave room for doubt.
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
6:05 pm
TD
stick around my man
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
6:07 pm
TD
I mean long term not just for today. I know you said you had things to do
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
6:07 pm
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
6:02 pm
71, grow a pair.
The unstable @ @ got rid of herself.
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No kidding. Two boobs won’t address me on kyle’s blog lol.
Moderate Line
May 22nd, 2012
6:08 pm
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
4:28 pm
Moderate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war
And Sure They Are, Chu was right in terms of policy when he said that; he was wrong in terms of politics.
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Jay:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/iran-iraq.htm
Let’s examine your statement “After that we backed Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war” compared to mine “The United States slightly favored the Iraq’s but not much.”
Reagan was caught sailing arms to Iran and yet we were “backing” Iraq. Also, the Iraq’s attacked one of our ships. Look through the article. Where did most of the Iraqi weapons come from?The Soviet Union. Where did most of the Iranian weapons come from the United States(prior to the Iranian Revolution). Remember the Scud missile. It is a Soviet weapon. They were still using them in the Gulf War.
I believe the statement “slightly favored” is more accurate. The main supporter of Iraq was the Soviet Union.
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
6:08 pm
They BOTH @ 5:09
I don’t know the new name of that school, but it’s still there at Ft. Benning.
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What is wrong with you people? How has a Hispanic face become the face of the “illegals?”
Because those are the “illegals” that don’t look like them. Not a word about those Irish “illegals” living out in the open in the NE area either.
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JHM @ 5:22
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
6:09 pm
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
5:55 pm
“Whom you would vote for again because of the “D” tag.”
have you ever done the same because of an “R” tag?
Nope, I luv’s me some checks and balances. If you cripple the ability to pass legislation, they can’t screw things up worse.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
6:10 pm
Aquagirl
Much agreed! Like I say repeatedly, I’m probably one of the most conservative hereabouts when it comes to immigration, but there’s such a thing as hypocrisy and those claiming to be conservative in their stances are a textbook study in it…
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
6:11 pm
But I KNOW Bro didn’t see my 4:40 down there.
Gotta go run downstairs for a min… BRB!!!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
6:12 pm
No kidding. Two boobs won’t address me on kyle’s blog lol.
You just sealed your fate for good with that one, Fred.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 22nd, 2012
6:12 pm
Aquagirl
May 22nd, 2012
6:02 pm
I’ve hated it for 26 years. That’s the reason why cons are against it now
I’d buy these claims of hatred a lot more if the cons had done something besides watch the cheap labor pour in. And now you’re demanding somebody do something RIGHT NOW DAMMIT. Yeah right buddy.
Actually, Nafta was bi-partisan. The shipping of jobs overseas began shortly after. The new wage reality is a result of that, and there is nothing ANY politician can do to bring the jobs back.
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
6:12 pm
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
6:05 pm
And Thulsa, banning you was nowhere and is nowhere on my radar screen. I have no idea where you got that notion.
If I have that kind of problem with someone, I don’t usually leave room for doubt.
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no SHt TDoomy. I spend my life on the edge lol. I make my first post each day in doubt that it will even go through. Jay has MY ban on speed dial. I’m on a short leash……. ect……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kytej72YH20&list=FLBFI9bcIcPzzTDjgPb0CnJA&index=73&feature=plpp_video
josef
May 22nd, 2012
6:15 pm
FRED
Well, Mec, you are right up there with Thulsa amongst those who can rile up al Shariff with a “good morning, how are you?”
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
6:15 pm
Prince
If you do not mind me asking, whether they lost or not, which of the current Dems in any level of government have you voted for in the last few elections?
Checks and balances are good
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
6:16 pm
“prince”,
So you don’t want to compare and contrast those two administrations, huh?
Notwithstanding your ignorant bluster to the contrary, excellent move.
LOL…
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
6:16 pm
TBG
That one’s funny!!!!!! When I shave and wash my head, I can signal the space station with the reflection.
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I’m probably one of the most conservative hereabouts when it comes to immigration
AHEM!!!!!
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
6:17 pm
Well Josef, I’m either in trouble again or trying to figure out which word I typed last post tripped the auto snagger. I think I’ll know when this one does or doesn’t post lol
Paul
May 22nd, 2012
6:17 pm
Brosephus
I’m kinda okay with Hispanics being the face of illegals….
http://tinyurl.com/d5doobs
But if you insist on Irish, that’s okay, too –
http://tinyurl.com/3ebjazr
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
6:18 pm
LOL I found out what tripped the auto snagger. It’s the @ thing twice…………
Billybob
May 22nd, 2012
6:18 pm
fiction based on the past and followed by republican bashing based on their view of the fiction……sounds liberal……judges?…….and yes, we have liberalism……….congrats jay for another brilliant piece…..don’t remember this one during W, but hey your completely biased and i understand your ilk…..
josef
May 22nd, 2012
6:19 pm
BROSEPHUS
YOU know my stand on illegal immigration…
Real Scootter
May 22nd, 2012
6:19 pm
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
6:12 pm
Dang Fred,that was awesome! You been taking lessons from JamVet?
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
6:21 pm
Well peeps, while I was looking for an appropriate song for Doomy I inadvertantly started a playlist. If you can spare the time check out this tune. It’s so sweet. Even al Shariff can’t bitch about this one lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8h6lPMk9kw&feature=mr_meh&list=FLBFI9bcIcPzzTDjgPb0CnJA&playnext=0
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
6:24 pm
Fred
I just hope that Jay and TD make up quick. If not, at least one of them will be singing this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN7mQtcLRCs
F. Sinkwich
May 22nd, 2012
6:24 pm
Hey, Jay, here’s an idea for your next blog courtesy of MSNBC:
“Dog bites cost insurance companies about $479 million in 2011, accounting for an increasingly large chunk of payouts under homeowner’s liability policies, according to a recent study.”
Maybe follow that up with a blog about a toenail fungus outbreak in Topeka.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
6:26 pm
PAUL
Equal time on the Hispanic, uh, face…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ9kMkTEF5k
Can I get an amen from the old ladies corner…?
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
6:28 pm
Real Scootter: Jammie doesn’t like tunes like that one so much lol. But f you liked that one maybe you’ll like this one……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-LRLdrG-IM&list=PL4FBF8CCC8D975A45&index=10&feature=plpp_video
That Black Guy
May 22nd, 2012
6:30 pm
getalife, any chance you’ll answer my 5:38?
That Black Guy
May 22nd, 2012
6:31 pm
Fred, thanks for that. i sent it to my daughters.
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
6:31 pm
TBG
Come on now……. He resurrected his McCain was up by 10% right before the election bs earlier………….
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
6:33 pm
Fred
I hadn’t heard any Tesla in a long time. That was a decent tune back in the day
That Black Guy
May 22nd, 2012
6:34 pm
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
6:31 pm
TBG
Come on now……. He resurrected his McCain was up by 10% right before the election bs earlier………….
_____________________________________________________________
I know right. But a couple posts earlier he said the only poll that matters is election day (or something like that).
Paul
May 22nd, 2012
6:36 pm
josef
gotta broaden your horizon and not forget the Irish!
http://tinyurl.com/clxjkdy
http://tinyurl.com/bo5re4y
in other news
May 22nd, 2012
6:37 pm
Bookman continues with diversions. Hey, look, another Democrat came out against Obama going after Bain Capital.
They BOTH suck
May 22nd, 2012
6:37 pm
Jay and TD
If either of you start hearing “Footsteps in the Dark”, it just might be who you least expect……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p70nS59JJVk&feature=related
Everyone have a great night and an even better tomorrow
peace
pogo
May 22nd, 2012
6:37 pm
Iran is today’s North Korea. North Korea has China behind them, Iran has oil. The same exact cycle will occur with Iran as the US has taken with N. Korea. We can’t do anything to either of them because of our own weakened state. China owns us and China backs both of them.
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
6:40 pm
Paul
YES!!!!!!!
—————————-
josef
The result of your plan would likely have the Tea Party reviving ACORN to defeat you.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
6:40 pm
PAUL
I’ll have to admit, when it comes to white boys, the Irish have some fine specimens…
Strange land, that one…they’re either the hottest thing you ever saw, or as ugly as hell before breakfast…not much in between…
josef
May 22nd, 2012
6:42 pm
BROSEPHUS
Just think, I could finally unify the country…
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
May 22nd, 2012
6:44 pm
Aw, Doomy, Jesus wuvs you. And if memory serves (well I’m not a young chick anymore, so it sometimes doesn’t), you are never mean or hateful, so while we may not agree on much, I appreciate your input here. And hey, if everybody agreed, this wouldn’t be much fun. We also would not expand/broaden our world view. Keep up the good fight!
Fred ™
May 22nd, 2012
6:47 pm
That Black Guy: Glad you liked that. It impressed the hell out of me obviously.
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
6:47 pm
Josef 5:57 avent seen the movie
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
6:48 pm
Headline: ” Drunk driver arrested with zebra, parrot in front seat of truck… ”
Ah ……………………….. nevermind.
http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Zebra-Parrot-Found-in-Truck-During-Police-Stop-152634465.html
josef
May 22nd, 2012
6:50 pm
JM
I think you’d like it…you and Rosalie have a lot in common…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
6:50 pm
Headline: “43 Catholic organizations file lawsuits against Obama contraception mandate…”
GO CATHOLICS !!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
6:53 pm
Has Obama commented on this yet ??
Headline: “Woman viciously beaten at lunchtime in MCDONALD’S drive-thru…”
‘This is for you, you white b***ch !’
http://www.wtsp.com/news/watercooler/article/256102/58/Woman-attacked-while-ordering-lunch-at-drive-thru
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
6:57 pm
(CNN) – Video of a North Carolina pastor preaching that gays and lesbians should be rounded up inside an electric fence is going viral on the Internet, two weeks after North Carolina passed a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and President Barack Obama voiced personal support for legalizing such marriages.
“I figured a way out, a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers, but I couldn’t get it past the Congress,” Pastor Charles L. Worley can be seen telling his Providence Road Baptist Church congregation in the video, which had more than 250,000 YouTube views by Tuesday.
“Build a great big, large fence – 50 or a 100 miles long – and put all the lesbians in there,” Worley went on to say in his May 13 sermon at his Maiden, North Carolina, church. “Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can’t get out. Feed them. And you know in a few years, they’ll die out. You know why? They can’t reproduce.”
“Listen, all of the Sodomites, the lesbians, and all of the … what’s that word? Gays – I didn’t wanna say ‘queers’ – that say we don’t love you, I love you more than you love yourself,” Worley said, according to WBTV. “I’m praying for you to be saved.”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
6:59 pm
Headline: “It’s time to investigate the IRS”
“Richard Nixon ordered the IRS to conduct tax audits of those on his infamous “Enemies List.” Now, a spate of investigations and leaks coming out of President Obama’s IRS raises concerns that this administration may also be using the power of the nation’s most feared agency to silence its political opponents.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/21/it-time-to-investigate-irs/#ixzz1vdssYY71
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/21/it-time-to-investigate-irs/
josef
May 22nd, 2012
7:01 pm
ZamVet
I caught that one…what can you say? Did you catch the Anderson Cooper segment on it?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
7:01 pm
JamVet:
He was wrong to say that ………. competely wrong !
Jesus would never have said or felt that but He did say to the woman taken in adultery:
“Neither do I condemn you (to death by stoning/or kept inside an electric fence) but go and SIN no more.”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
7:04 pm
Heard this today:
Obama is making a campaign tatic of going after Romney for Bain, etc. There were many employees who lost jobs but Romney saved many companys (and those jobs) by making tough decisions that the CEO’s had failed to make.
Of course it’s O.K. for Obama to have closed down hundreds of car delearships totally against their will and imagine the number of jobs lost there !
WHAT HYPOCRISY !
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
May 22nd, 2012
7:07 pm
Yeah, go Catholic patriarchical hierarchy. Most Catholics, okay many, do not agree with this very old stuff or with old, white, out of touch males who support it. The church I knew from birth left me long ago. I think it was just about the time when Rome decreed that my daughter could no longer be an alta server just because she was a GIRL. Yes, I am still bitter & angry. And when my Momma kept trying to convince & pray me back to that church, I told her I would consider it when that church ordains a woman. Okay, rant over. Thanks for listening.
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
7:07 pm
I would like to go on the record about the following:
Katie Couric seems like a complete moron
now, back to serious topics
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
7:08 pm
No, jo, I just saw the headline at CNN.com.
That this man is twisted and hateful, is not very surprising to me.
That people will show up next week and sit in those pews, is.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
7:09 pm
The Scout Evening News…
TaxPayer
May 22nd, 2012
7:11 pm
Counterfeit Chinese Parts Slipping Into U.S. Military Aircraft
Now that’s funny.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
7:11 pm
ZamVet
What bothers me is that the real Christians are not lined up outside his “church” screaming to high heavens about this hijacking of their faith…
TaxPayer
May 22nd, 2012
7:13 pm
Colombia Secret Service Prostitution Scandal Spreads to the DEA
Oh NO! Not the DEA too!
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
7:13 pm
Scout 6:53 – reporters are gathering in the east room shortly for a statement
BTW. What does the Waffle House guy want? He wanted his hashbrowns scattered AND covered, and they were only scattered?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
7:17 pm
Has Romney comment on this?
Headline: Native American says he was branded with ‘KKK’ in hospital…
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
May 22nd, 2012
7:17 pm
Josef, you get a rousing, stand up & cheer AMEN from this old lady’s corner. Yeah, I am old, but damn, I do remember some fine things.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
7:19 pm
josef @ 7:09
Someone has to keep liberals informed !
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
7:20 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: 1 in 3 divorce filings contain word ‘FACEBOOK’…
josef
May 22nd, 2012
7:20 pm
G-MARE
As Unmentionable says, “I may be old, but I ain’t blind!”
TaxPayer
May 22nd, 2012
7:21 pm
GOP anti-Bain quotes used in ad from pro-Obama super PAC
As I recall, the Republicans were pretty rough on poor old Mitt before they realized that he was their candidate. Maybe they shouldn’t have been so mean.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
7:21 pm
TaxPayer:
Headline: “Secret Service Issues New Regulations”
“The Secret Service has issued new rules of conduct for agents. They can no longer get drunk, procure hookers, have affairs or go to strip bars. The rules say that from now on, if agents feel compelled to engage in such behavior, they can run for public office like everyone else.”
josef
May 22nd, 2012
7:22 pm
D*mn! The blog tonight is better than channel surfing the talking heads!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
7:23 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: 7 die on Everest in 48-hour span…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
7:24 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: Dad saves boy before car plunges down cliff — and gets pair of traffic tickets…
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
7:25 pm
Headline: “I was fired for being too hot.”
I can not tell you how often that has happened to me!
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2#/video/bestoftv/2012/05/22/sot-hln-woman-too-hot-for-work-wpix.hln
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
7:26 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: VIDEO: Pastor Suggests Building 100 Mile-Long Electrified Fence For Gays So They ‘Die Out’…
in other news
May 22nd, 2012
7:26 pm
“Success is far from guaranteed”
Anything under the Obama administration is far from guaranteed.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
7:28 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: 15-foot black snake loose in SC town…
josef
May 22nd, 2012
7:30 pm
ZamVet
Them’s some b-b-b-big b-b-b-breasties….
Recon 0311 2533
May 22nd, 2012
7:31 pm
“I can not tell you how often that has happened to me!”
Me too…ain’t dreams great
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
7:31 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: 6 Arrested For Stapling Roommate’s Lips Shut, Torturing Him With Power Tool…
TaxPayer
May 22nd, 2012
7:31 pm
In an effort to reach across the aisle and better communicate with Republicans, Obama followed South Carolina Republican Mick Mulvaney’s lead and spoke to Republicans on an 8th grade level.
Hey. You just can’t make this stuff up.
josef
May 22nd, 2012
7:31 pm
K’chak
@ 7:28
So many lines, so little time…
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
7:32 pm
Kamchak is unhinged. then again, we always knew that
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
7:33 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: ‘Major’ DC COMICS character to come out of closet…
Moderate Line
May 22nd, 2012
7:34 pm
Moderate Line
May 22nd, 2012
4:24 pm
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
3:57 pm
After that we backed Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war that Iraq started as a way to seize Iranian oil fields, just as he later tried to seize Kuwaiti oil fields. Hundreds of thousands of Iranians died in that war.
++++++
Supporting my statement that the US s”slightly favor” over Jay’s backed is more accurate.
Despite the curious Iran-Contra scandal, the United States clearly favoured Iraq
during the war. Although Washington was not a major arms supplier to Baghdad, it did
provide intelligence at various times and displayed a generally favourable attitude toward
the Iraqis. However, commonly-heard claims that Saddam was a close ally of the United
States are not accurate. While the United States was very close to some of Saddam’s
local allies, Baghdad and Washington always held each other at arm’s length.
http://www.oup.com/uk/orc/bin/9780199289783/01student/cases/iran_iraq_war.pdf
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
7:35 pm
has Obama commented on this?
A New York City system-gaming public school teacher, Alan Rosenfeld, 66, continues to show up for make-work (such as photocopying “duty”), at a salary of $100,000 a year, rather than retire. Rosenfeld was accused in 2001 of making lewd comments to female students in his typing class and removed from classroom duty, but he protested and continues to exercise his union “due process” rights. In a January status report, the New York Post noted that Rosenfeld could have retired four years ago, but that by remaining on the “job,” the value of his pension increases, and the light duty enables him to conduct his real estate business while at “work.”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
7:36 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: Man who impersonated dead mom sentenced for fraud…
jconservative
May 22nd, 2012
7:36 pm
“What did we do anyways that originally pissed of the Iranians so much?”
We remained Christian.
Recon 0311 2533
May 22nd, 2012
7:37 pm
It appears that Iran’s toast, at least here on the blog.
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
7:37 pm
when will Obama comment on this?
The most recent government employee to defraud his agency’s worker compensation program (according to prosecutors in Los Angeles) is firefighter Rafael Davis, 35, who received disability payments for about 30 months during 2008-2011 while at the same time engaging in mixed martial arts matches as “The Noodle.” Davis’ record (according to LA Weekly) was 12-2, with seven of those matches coming during his disability period, including six victories. “MMA” (as noted by the newspaper) requires similar “stamina, muscle and coordination” as is required for firefighting.
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
7:38 pm
recon 7:37
josef
May 22nd, 2012
7:40 pm
JM
Didn’t I see them together at Whole Foods…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
7:40 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: ‘Stolen’ dinosaur skeleton auctioned off…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
7:42 pm
Kammie:
“Headline:‘Major’ DC COMICS character to come out of closet…”
It’s “Batman” and he is a pedophile ………… remember “Robin” ?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
7:43 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: NASCAR INKS ‘GREEN’ DEAL WITH EPA…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
7:44 pm
Kammie:
“Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: Man who impersonated dead mom sentenced for fraud…”
Doesn’t count. It has to be a “racial” thing remember? Obama started it.
I guess the “victim” in that case doesn’t look like his daughters.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
7:44 pm
… remember “Robin” ?
Which one?
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
7:45 pm
josef 7:40 – of course. that’s the only place they shop.
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
May 22nd, 2012
7:45 pm
Never did get that climbing thing. Upon reading INTO THIN AIR, all I could say is WHY? (Book club made me read it). Same reaction to INTO THE WILD. If I am going to put my life on the line, it must be for causes dear to me. Among those are women’s, children’s, poor & disenfranchides rights to be heard & respected. So if that makes me a “bleeding heart liberal,” I accept the label proudly.
D
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
7:47 pm
Look, Big Mouth Obama should begin giving the evening broadcasts since he has so many things to say.
They guy is full of himself. I want to hear what he has to say about the weather too. That’s important stuff.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
7:47 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: PITT A HIT IN CANNES…
TaxPayer
May 22nd, 2012
7:48 pm
“Now Mitt is not a perfect candidate. He has a number of problems. It’s hard for blue-collar families like mine to identify with him. It’s hard for economic conservatives to identify with him. He needs to do more to reach out to the Latinos…” —Former New York Gov. George Pataki
Recon 0311 2533
May 22nd, 2012
7:49 pm
“It’s “Batman” and he is a pedophile ………… remember “Robin” ?
0311,8541, A pitcher or a catcher.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
7:51 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: World’s smallest artificial heart implanted in baby…
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
7:51 pm
when will Obama comment on this?
CBO Warns About ‘Fiscal Cliff’
Josef
May 22nd, 2012
7:52 pm
ZamVet
Anderson Cooper is having a follow up coming up….
TaxPayer
May 22nd, 2012
7:52 pm
“There are a lot of other people out there that some of us wish had run for president—but they didn’t…” —Florida Sen. Marco Rubio
Poor Mitt. And that was a comment from someone that likes Mitt. You should hear what those folks over at Fox had to say about Mitt.
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
7:52 pm
sweet. and unsubsidized (by the gov’t)
u can start shopping / configuring now….
http://www.ford.com/cars/fusion/2013/
Josef
May 22nd, 2012
7:54 pm
Robin was of age of consent…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
7:55 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: 911 Dispatcher Caught Snoring on the Job…
Jm
May 22nd, 2012
7:59 pm
I hope they make a plug in hybrid lincoln mkz…… could be sweet
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
8:00 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: Man accused of punching noisy kid in movie theater
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
8:00 pm
G Mare 71, mountain climbing is an extremely difficult thing to explain. It is VERY dangerous and there are about twenty different ways to buy the farm up there. But the view from above the clouds is indescribable.
I took the sport up in my 40s (Yeah, I’m dumb!) after seeing a film about Everest at the Fernbank IMAX.
I had always been very intrigued by it but after watching that film, I could not stop thinking about climbing.
Then three weeks later, out of the blue, a buddy of mine called and said he was thinking about climbing Mt. Ranier and was I interested.
I jumped at the chance.
We trained for over a year – Sandia Mountain in New Mexico, among others – and it was still the hardest thing I have ever done! But being up there was spectacular if not grueling.
One of the many highlights was meeting the then 70 year old Lou Whittaker and he was still a specimen! Anybody familiar with American climbing knows that his twin brother, Jim was the first American to summit Everest in 1963.
But I decided that it was a young guys sport and never climbed again…
barking frog
May 22nd, 2012
8:03 pm
Jm
getalife is putting words in your mouth.
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
8:07 pm
frog,
I have to think for cons because they are intellectual lazy bums
Soothsayer
May 22nd, 2012
8:10 pm
In 1992, Bain Capital acquired American Pad & Paper, or Ampad, from Mead Corp., embarking on a ”roll-up strategy” in which a firm buys up similar companies in the same industry in order to expand revenues and cut costs.
Through Ampad, Bain bought several other office supply makers, borrowing heavily each time. By 1999, Ampad’s debt reached nearly $400 million, up from $11 million in 1993, according to government filings.
Sales grew, too – for a while. But by the late 1990s, foreign competition and increased buying power by superstores like Bain-funded Staples sliced Ampad’s revenues.
The result: Ampad couldn’t pay its debts and plunged into bankruptcy. Workers lost jobs and stockholders were left with worthless shares.
Bain Capital, however, made money – and lots of it. The firm put just $5 million into the deal, but realized big returns in short order. In 1995, several months after shuttering a plant in Indiana and firing roughly 200 workers, Bain Capital borrowed more money to have Ampad buy yet another company, and pay Bain and its investors more than $60 million – in addition to fees for arranging the deal.
Bain Capital took millions more out of Ampad by charging it $2 million a year in management fees, plus additional fees for each Ampad acquisition. In 1995 alone, Ampad paid Bain at least $7 million. The next year, when Ampad began selling shares on public stock exchanges, Bain Capital grabbed another $2 million fee for arranging the initial public offering – on top of the $45 million to $50 million Bain reaped by selling some of its shares.
Bain Capital didn’t escape Ampad’s eventual bankruptcy unscathed. It held about one-third of Ampad’s shares, which became worthless. But while as many as 185 workers near Buffalo lost jobs in a 1999 plant closing, Bain Capital and its investors ultimately made more than $100 million on the deal.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
8:13 pm
Kammie:
“… remember “Robin” ?
Which one?”
Not you too !!!
Soothsayer
May 22nd, 2012
8:16 pm
“They [Bain Capital] closed down more than 1,000 plants, stores and offices. They outsourced tens of thousands of jobs, and they took 12 companies to bankruptcy. I don’t think those are the values that people want to animate our economy. He is not a job creator, he is a corporate raider. Those aren’t the values that we want to lead our economy.”
— Obama adviser David Axelrod, Jan. 8, 2012
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
8:17 pm
josef
Unite and then some.
Boris Badnoff
May 22nd, 2012
8:17 pm
Never trust a country that has more capital crimes than condiments.
http://gizmodo.com/5877722/iranian-programmer-sentenced-to-death-for-developing-porn-site-software
Bring back the Shah.
Soothsayer
May 22nd, 2012
8:18 pm
“[T]here’s something about raping companies and leaving them in debt and setting up Swiss bank accounts and corporate businesses in the Grand Caymans. I have a real serious problem with that.”
— Rep. Jim Clyburn, May 22, 2012
Soothsayer
May 22nd, 2012
8:20 pm
“[Bain] made as much money off it as they could and they closed it down, they filed for bankruptcy, without any concern for the families or the communities. It was like watching an old friend bleed to death.”
— former GST Steel worker Joe Soptic
godless heathen
May 22nd, 2012
8:21 pm
Sooth,
We already know that Obama Inc hates capitalism. No need to continue to reinforce that with the quotes.
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
8:22 pm
Of the many excellent reasons to NOT vote for the slimy Mitt Romney – as noted to perfection by Soothsayer – there are five words that will forever rank him among the most disreputable men to ever run for the White House…
Corporations are people, my friends.
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
8:23 pm
JamVet @ 7:25
Those are BAZONGAS!!!!!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
8:27 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: Arizona’s Sheriff Joe Arpaio sends two-man posse to Hawaii that stayed there on taxpayer funds in search of Obama’s birth certificate.
Soothsayer
May 22nd, 2012
8:30 pm
Obama Prospects Improve as Swing State Economies Improve
From extra shifts at auto and steel plants in Ohio to office buildings rising in Northern Virginia, the geography of the U.S. economic rebound is providing an edge to President Barack Obama’s re-election.
The unemployment rates in a majority of the 2012 battleground states are lower than the national average as those economies improve. Coupled with the growth of adult minority populations in those states, the trends create a higher bar for presumed Republican Party presidential nominee Mitt Romney in his quest to unseat Obama.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
8:32 pm
josef:
What “are” those two guys doing ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbB53CR9b5M&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
8:33 pm
Kam
Funny you mention that. I was just reading this article here, and I think somebody in Hawaii is having fun at Arizona’s expense….
http://news.yahoo.com/hawaii-trolling-arizonas-presidential-birth-certificate-seeking-secretary-161242830.html
Talking Points Memo got ahold of some of the emails and they reveal some epic trolling on the part of Hawaii’s Deputy Attorney General Jill Nagamine. After Bennett sent an itemized list of all the information he wants verified, Nagamine responded with an even longer list of Hawaii statutes that spell out how they don’t give that information to just anyone and asking under what authority does Bennett thinks he’s entitled to the information.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
8:34 pm
Not you too !!!
The original “Robin”, Dick Grayson went solo as his own superhero, and at least one other teen replaced him. I never got into the comic book craze, everything I know is referenced from the sitcom, “The Big Bang Theory.”
Soothsayer
May 22nd, 2012
8:36 pm
Keystone XL Pipeline Will Raise U.S. Gasoline Prices, Group Says
TransCanada Corp. (TRP)’s proposed pipeline to carry crude from the oil sands of Canada to the U.S. Gulf Coast would increase gasoline prices, according to a report from an environmental group that opposes the project.
The Keystone XL pipeline would divert crude oil from the U.S. Midwest to refineries along the Gulf Coast geared to producing diesel fuel for export, the Natural Resources Defense Council said in a report today. That will decrease the amount of gasoline produced for U.S. consumers and raise production costs, making the fuel more expensive, according to Anthony Swift, author of the report and an attorney with the environmental group.
Now who’da ever thunk somethin’ like that? That ain’t what they done told us now is it?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
8:36 pm
SoCo/Bro
Yeah that’s it. TBogg’s running with that right now.
Oscar
May 22nd, 2012
8:40 pm
We already know that Obama Inc hates capitalism.
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Is that one of the lies your father told you?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
8:42 pm
Hummmmmmm and ……………… Hummmm ……………… ! Something’s going on out there Libs. !
Headline: “Powell not ready to endorse Obama for re-election”
“Former Secretary of State Colin Powell declined Tuesday to renew the presidential endorsement he gave Barack Obama four years ago, saying he wasn’t ready “to throw my weight behind someone” at this time.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/22/powell-not-ready-to-endorse-obama-for-re-election/#ixzz1veIefMBL
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
8:43 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: NC: Loyal White Knights of the KKK sends invites to its cross burning at dusk white unity event
Residents in Reidsville, North Carolina have begun receiving fliers inviting them to a May 26 Ku Klux Klan cross burning intended for “white people only.”
Soothsayer
May 22nd, 2012
8:44 pm
NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Leads By 4, Still Struggles On The Economy
In the newest poll, Obama leads Romney among African Americans (88 percent to 2 percent), 18 to 34 year olds (55 percent to 35 percent), women (53 percent to 38 percent), independents (44 percent to 36 percent), and seniors (46 percent to 44 percent).
Romney, meanwhile, holds the advantage with whites (52 percent to 39 percent), men (49 percent to 40 percent), suburban residents (47 percent to 41 percent), Midwest residents (48 percent to 43 percent), and high-interest voters (47 percent to 44 percent).
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
8:47 pm
Has Romney commented on this yet?
Headline: Almost No Regular Americans Rank Deficit As Their Top Issue
Just one single percent of Americans rank the deficit as the most important issue for them in choosing a president, according to the new Washington Post/ABC News poll. The percentage of Americans who think the deficit is the most important issue this election is so incredibly tiny that it is practically unmeasurable.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 22nd, 2012
8:48 pm
Why don’t you love me like you used to do?
Why do you treat me like a worn-out shoe?
My hair’s still curly and my eyes are still blue;
So why don’t you love me like you used to do?
HankThomas JeffersonJamVet
May 22nd, 2012
8:52 pm
I had forgotten that a high ranking official in the Reign of Error supported the anti-American, Uppity Muslim Without a Birth Certificate in 2008.
What another huge embarrassment for the disgraced Bush/Cheney administration, huh?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
8:52 pm
Kammie:
You forget that neither one of them should comment.
But ……….. Obama choose to ……….. twice. Once with that professor who got “tuned up” by the cop and of course the Martin/Zimmerman thing.
Brosephus™
May 22nd, 2012
8:52 pm
Kam
I don’t usually read TBogg’s, but it seems that everybody’s picking up on that story. I’d be embarrassed if I were from Arizona.
Cool vid before I vanish into the night. If you’re not opening your beer like this, you’re not a REAL manly beer drinker….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ-slvv_ZT4
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
8:53 pm
JamVet:
You’re not worthy to shine his shoes.
Recon 0311 2533
May 22nd, 2012
8:57 pm
Unless there’s an unlikely major positive turn in the economy before November, it would be an historic event, given today’s economic circumstance, that Obama would be re-elected.
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
8:58 pm
Nor are you to shine mine, jarhead!
It must infuriate you to no end to know that he voted for Barry because he was black!
LOL…
Soothsayer
May 22nd, 2012
8:59 pm
Rush Limbaugh Ratings Drop In Several Big Markets
Rush Limbaugh’s ratings have dropped sharply in several major markets following the firestorm over his comments about Sandra Fluke, Politico reports.
Limbaugh called Fluke a “slut” and a “prostitute” for her birth control advocacy, sparking condemnation from President Obama on down and causing many advertisers to flee his show. (One major radio CEO recently admitted that the controversy had cost him millions of dollars.)
Gosh! It couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
Soothsayer
May 22nd, 2012
9:02 pm
Well, they done canned “Dog the Bounty Hunter.” Now what am I gonna watch?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
9:04 pm
SoCo/Bro
The next time I come through airport security, I want you to be on hand to explain that the chainsaw in my possession is about making sure the stewardess is properly prepared to open my beer.
Recon 0311 2533
May 22nd, 2012
9:04 pm
Sooth, I think Limbaugh laughs all the way to his bank. I don’t take the time to listen to him as an unabashed conservative but he presents the conservative view that drives the far-left nuts.
Soothsayer
May 22nd, 2012
9:04 pm
I mean, after all, Duane and Beth is America.
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
9:07 pm
“… but he presents the conservative view that drives the far-left nuts.”
I don’t have a theory about what it might mean, but it’s undeniable that conservatives put a lot more value on “driving liberals nuts” than vice versa.
Tundra Dude
May 22nd, 2012
9:08 pm
Corporations are people, my friends.
Another example of American Exceptionalism.
Is The USA The Only Nation in the World With Corporate Personhood?
opednews.com
It’s not surprising to learn that no nation on earth enshrines in its constitution the right of corporate personhood.
Mila Versteeg, associate law professor at the University of Virginia, is probably the only person in the world to have read every constitution that has been written since 1946– constitutions from 186 nations. She’s not only read them, she’s quantified them, in terms of the rights that they define. That was part of a project she did while at Oxford.
Recon 0311 2533
May 22nd, 2012
9:10 pm
Jay, come on…we love to drive each other nuts and that’s unfortunately why we never get anything done.
Jay
May 22nd, 2012
9:14 pm
Recon, believe me, I’m not trying to draw conclusions from it that one is better than another. I’m just observing that it’s true. Human Events, the conservative magazine, sent out a daily email last year — “365 Ways to Drive Liberals Crazy.” And I hear it pretty often from the right.
I’m honestly not trying to drive you nuts by noting that. :>)
barking frog
May 22nd, 2012
9:15 pm
Too many nuts will lead to a return of squirrels..
Doggone/GA
May 22nd, 2012
9:17 pm
“I don’t have a theory about what it might mean, but it’s undeniable that conservatives put a lot more value on “driving liberals nuts” than vice versa”
Yeah, but see…we can do it without putting any thought or effort into it. Just by being. So we don’t have to put any value on it, it’s just a given!
TaxPayer
May 22nd, 2012
9:20 pm
A little perspective on the thought process of our con brethren regarding civil rights.
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
9:21 pm
T Dude,
In my useless opinion, corporate personhood is a perversion of the highest degree.
That we have so many spineless *real* people who are willing to just give away their sovereignty is beyond explanation…
barking frog
May 22nd, 2012
9:26 pm
JamVet
The American Revolution
was as much against
corporations as it was
against the King.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
9:26 pm
“I don’t have a theory about what it might mean, but it’s undeniable that conservatives put a lot more value on “driving liberals nuts” than vice versa.”
Because it’s amusing to us !
Recon 0311 2533
May 22nd, 2012
9:26 pm
“I’m honestly not trying to drive you nuts by noting that. :>)”
Don’t worry Jay many have called me nuts. I must say, however, that in my old age I’ve learned that it doesn’t pay. I’m reformed nuts but probably still on the fringe. Semper Fi.
Tundra Dude
May 22nd, 2012
9:28 pm
corporate personhood is a perversion of the highest degree.
Just one consequence of having a corporate go-fer in the white house.
They appoint fellow go-fers to the Supreme court.
Thomas Heyward jr
May 22nd, 2012
9:28 pm
The only thing worse than a crony-corp(ala Bain) ……is a crony-President -endorsed-(ala GM)————————–
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The list of things the Federal government does well is fairly short. It comprises items like the 3rd Infantry Division; the United States Penitentiary Administrative Maximum Facility in Florence, Colo.; the Eisenhower Interstate Highway System (except that part near New York City that has been under construction since Ike was still alive) and… er… the dime is a nice coin.
The list of things the government does poorly is — obviously — much, much longer and includes essentially everything else.
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Also earning a place on the latter list: automobile manufacturing. Last week, an analysis by economist John Lott (and went unremarked upon by the corporate media) revealed that Barack Obama’s 2009 bailout of the auto industry is likely one of the greatest boondoggles of the modern age. In order to allow his union cronies to take control of the beached whale that was General Motors Co., Obama handed the largest of Detroit’s “Big Three” $100 billion in taxpayer money. According to figures released last week, GM is now worth about one-third of that figure.
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ONE HUNDRED BILLION.
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Also this—————-Obama and his cronies are imposing 31 percent tariffs on imported solar panels from China. This will diminish competition for the government-subsidized cronies of the Obammunists at companies like the bankrupted corporate crooks at Solyndra, and will lead to higher prices to consumers for solar panels. It’s corporate welfare in disguise (to the economically ignorant, anyway), as has always been the case with protectionist tariffs.
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Gawd ………………..how embarressing to be a statist nowadays.
Thomas Heyward jr
May 22nd, 2012
9:32 pm
BAIN..BAIN…BAIN…………..
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In 2005, GM began showing cracks in its foundation, losing more than $10 billion. The unwieldy union deals (virtually untouched by the Obama bailout) were forcing the company toward bankruptcy. The losses mounted until December 2008, when the company admitted it was almost out of cash. Obama swept in, fired then-CEO Rick Wagoner and upped the taxpayer ante to a cool $100 billion, which now is not only beyond possible to repay but beyond the total value of GM by a factor of three.
In one of Obama’s auto industry ads, he mentions: “What happened in Detroit can happen in all sorts of communities…” Despite Obama’s infamous insincerity, he really means it. Judging by his economic “successes” like GM, if he’s re-elected he can do it, too.
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Gawd………..how embarressing to be a Romney/Obama supporter.
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
9:32 pm
Embarrassing is misspelling embarressing…
Thomas
May 22nd, 2012
9:34 pm
So in the next 24-48 hours we find out if Biden is the most ignorant “leader” ever by saying Romney is no more qualified to be Pres than a plumber or if Romney is the biggest idiot to run for Pres. not to attack the moronic statement.
OK Joe- are you so concerned about your job that you feel compelled to talk about competition or are you saying the Pres/VP job is over the heads of the lowly blue collar worker.
What a bunch of pathetic dumb arses.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
9:34 pm
Gawd ………………..how embarressing[sic] to be a statist nowadays.
Oh, the irony.
stands for decibels
May 22nd, 2012
9:36 pm
it’s undeniable that conservatives put a lot more value on “driving liberals nuts” than vice versa.
Wherever do conservatives get such ideas, I wonder?
Thomas Heyward jr
May 22nd, 2012
9:37 pm
Also..there’s this—————–
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The International Monetary Fund on Tuesday rejected a call by a US anti-Iran group for it to cut its relations with Tehran’s central bank in order to adhere to US and European sanctions.
The IMF said its account with Bank Markazi is simply related to Iran’s membership in the IMF and does not contravene sanctions placed on Tehran to pressure it not to develop nuclear weapons.
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Diplomacy my azzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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Gawd………..it must be embarressing to believe in Government propoganda.
Tundra Dude
May 22nd, 2012
9:39 pm
Iran’s been on the verge of having nukes for almost 30 years. (yawn)
I no longer believe the demonization of Iran has anything to do with nukes.
If not nukes….wonder what the real motive is..??
http://bit.ly/aqIWTT
Iran’s Ever Imminent Nukes: A History of Hysteria
by Muhammad Sahimi, May 05, 2010
JamVet
May 22nd, 2012
9:40 pm
So in the next 24-48 hours we find out if Biden is the most ignorant “leader” ever
Not even close. There will always be your boy Dicky…
Don’t blame him (Bush), nobody saw it (the impending economic meltdown of September 2008) coming.
stands for decibels
May 22nd, 2012
9:42 pm
Headline: Almost No Regular Americans Rank Deficit As Their Top Issue
However, America’s skimmer-class wants it to be a top issue, because that might be their best shot at dislodging the uppity crypto-Muslim from the white house whilst gutting America’s social safety net.
So you’ll keep hearing about it a lot from their superPAC ads.
Recon 0311 2533
May 22nd, 2012
9:44 pm
Another hour until Taps…y’all have a good evening.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
9:45 pm
No surprise here. As soon as we leave they will go back to the stone age !
“Americans complained the Afghans were undisciplined in combat, thieves and drug-users. Among the comments: “They are stoned all the time; some even while on patrol with us” and “They are pretty much gutless in combat. … We do most of the fighting”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57438696/as-more-afghan-troops-turn-on-coalition-report-details-distrust-resentment-on-both-sides/?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel
Oscar
May 22nd, 2012
9:56 pm
Americans complained the Afghans were undisciplined in combat, thieves and drug-users. Among the comments: “They are stoned all the time; some even while on patrol with us” and “They are pretty much gutless in combat. … We do most of the fighting”
________
Since we are fighting against Afghans, if are Afghans are as described above, would the same not be true of the ones we are fighting. Something here does not add up.
His description of Afghans is incorrect. If it was correct, we would not still be fighting gutless, stoned, undisciplined thieves and drug uses people after ten years. Sounds like gutless, stoned undisciplined thieves and drug useres make for some pretty good fighters – at least from the resutlts.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
9:56 pm
“They are stoned all the time; some even while on patrol with us” and “They are pretty much gutless in combat. … We do most of the fighting”
And yet, after all these centuries, they remain undefeated.
Oscar
May 22nd, 2012
9:58 pm
no longer believe the demonization of Iran has anything to do with nukes.
If not nukes….wonder what the real motive is..??
____
Real motive is to sustain support for Isreal. Any emeny will do as long as they sound like a threat.
Oscar
May 22nd, 2012
10:00 pm
We do most of the fighting”
___________
Why would they fight if they can get someone else to do it for them? Stupid?
Soothsayer
May 22nd, 2012
10:04 pm
That beautiful soaring tenor of Richard Manuel. That beautiful song written by Bob Dylan.
ragnar danneskjold
May 22nd, 2012
10:07 pm
Highly suspicious.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
10:11 pm
Kammie and Oscar:
You don’t get it but then you don’t have the experience to get it.
Afghanistan Army – obviously pretty pathetic
Afghanistan Terrorists – will kick their butt.
South Vietnamese Army – pretty pathetic
Viet Cong – kicked their butt
Oscar
May 22nd, 2012
10:12 pm
You don’t get it but then you don’t have the experience to get it.
_______
No, you are the one that does not get it. spelled it out and you still can’t see it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
10:13 pm
Soothsayer:
Yes ………. a great one.
I once had the same version (but accidentally dumped it) with footage of Vietnam combat, etc. It was very moving but I can’t find it on YouTube anymore. Must have been pulled.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
10:14 pm
Oscar:
“War is sweet for the inexperienced”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
10:15 pm
You don’t get it but then you don’t have the experience to get it.
British Empire — didn’t kick Afg. butt
Soviet Union — didn’t kick Afg. butt
Chinggis Khaan — didn’t kick Afg. butt.
Seems to me that you’re the one that “don’t get it.”
Soothsayer
May 22nd, 2012
10:17 pm
Another Bob Dylan/Richard Manuel collaboration. Dylan = lyrics. Manuel = tune. Man, I tell you back in the day, I loved this song.
I’m out so you don’t have to worry about any more sappy sooth songs.
Oscar
May 22nd, 2012
10:20 pm
War is sweet for the inexperienced”
__________
Change the subject if you will. Only means you still don’t get it. Never have. Never will.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
10:21 pm
Kammie:
Go back an read it ………….. the point was the Afghan Army will NOT be able to hold their own.
All of those others got their butts kicked and had to retreat the hell out of there.
We will leave when we are ready.
Big difference.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
10:22 pm
Oscar:
I’ll take the word of the troops in the field over yours anyday.
At ease private, I’ll be in the company area all day.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
10:27 pm
…the point was the Afghan Army will NOT be able to hold their own.
And
.
yet,
.
after
.
all
.
these
.
centuries,
.
they
.
remain
.
undefeated.
JKL2
May 22nd, 2012
10:28 pm
kamchak- Has Romney commented on this yet? Headline: 911 Dispatcher Caught Snoring on the Job
I heard he’d been seen watching rachel madcow earlier…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
10:30 pm
I heard he’d been seen watching rachel madcow earlier…
I heard that I’ll be winning the Oscar for best actor next year.
St Simons- island off the coast of New Somalia
May 22nd, 2012
10:40 pm
“No land wars in Asia” – Every General Everrrr
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
10:47 pm
Kammie:
Not
.
.
.
Against
.
.
.
.Their
.
.
.
Terrorist
.
.
.
Countrymen !
They are fighting each other ……….. get it? And the terrorists will kick their a** when we leave just like the NVA kicked the South Vietnamese three years AFTER we left.
You civilan knuckleheads really amuse me.
But alsa, it’s time for TAPS !
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 22nd, 2012
10:47 pm
Excuse me: “alas”
getalife
May 22nd, 2012
10:51 pm
If the taliban run in their elections, they will win.
Nothing but cons live there.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
May 22nd, 2012
10:57 pm
Nothing but cons live there.
Evidently, according to our resident expert, there are Northern Afghan cons and Southern Afghan cons in perpetual conflict.
Maybe they’re conflicted over secession.
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
May 22nd, 2012
11:09 pm
Yeah, Kam, that must be it. And hundreds of years of history must surely be wrong. And “Don’t call me Shirley!”
Oscar
May 22nd, 2012
11:55 pm
Never had a clue.
Jack
May 23rd, 2012
5:44 am
Iran is stalling. Nothing new there. Believing otherwise is pure fancy; or you’ve seen too many movies.
Jm
May 23rd, 2012
6:44 am
Cory booker…. Ouch
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-22/bain-suffering-and-cory-booker-s-emotional-distress.html
Rightwing Troll
May 23rd, 2012
6:44 am
I guess the prospect of Mittens winning forced them to the table…
GT
May 23rd, 2012
7:14 am
I am surprised the state of Georgia or the individual counties didn’t bargain with certain “liberal groups” to lift the beer embargo on Sunday. Maybe the intrusive government did and we just didn’t hear about it. They still have gambling as a bargaining chip. The problem is these churches are getting so radical they are blowing their cover as do gooders patrolling our communities.
What I think we do in this country is soften foreign countries with our standard of living and then yank it away as punishment when we need the control. We are like drug dealers. The sad thing is we are hooked on our own product and our greed can’t leave the embargo alone. It is like a man swearing off sex yet he has control of when to retire that decision.
I don’t think these countries were so weak as to having to have our blessing years ago or us so weak we had to give it. Vietnam as a trading partner may be the “m.o.” of our generation.
Rightwing Troll
May 23rd, 2012
7:14 am
Psssttt… watch this… wingnut heads are going to pop…
“Three changed their stories in ways that may damage Zimmerman. A fourth abandoned her initial story, that she saw one person chasing another. Now, she says, she saw a single figure running.”
stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...
May 23rd, 2012
7:22 am
Wow, theatre of the absurd news-wise…teacher in NC uses the all too familiar liberal shout-down on student for expressing anti Barry comments; NC pastor wants all gays in trenches surrounded by electrified fences, dude has 30 kids with 11 women all on minimum wage salary, Obama bashes Bain despite Bain DEM contributions exceeding those to GOP…not shortage of good stuff that Jay can work with…
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
7:27 am
Thanks Stevie Ray for the quick rundwon on Nealz Newz and the preview for the Boortz show. Comeback later after he tells programs you on what to say.
Oh and you left off the born in Kenya one, too crazy even for you? Naw, nothing that comes from your puppetmasters is to crazy for you, you just got so over loaded and filled your shorts with your glee that you forgot it………..
stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...
May 23rd, 2012
7:29 am
JAY,
Here’s a sign of the times from Wash Post..
With 61 percent of precincts reporting in Arkansas, Obama took 60 percent to 40 percent for Wolfe. In Kentucky, with nearly all precincts reporting, 42.1 percent of Democratic primary voters opted for “uncommitted” rather than backing the president, who received 57.9 percent.
Those results come two weeks to the day after Keith Judd, a convicted felon incarcerated in Texas, won 41 percent of the vote against Obama in the West Virginia primary.
Although the results haven’t stopped Obama’s march to renomination — he officially clinched the Democratic nod on April 3 — they remain an indicator of not-insignificant pockets of unrest within his party.
THAT’s funny I don’t care who you are…an inmate threatens President Trillions in WVA primary and 42% in KY uncommitted..of course Barry folks claim the race card…
stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...
May 23rd, 2012
7:33 am
FRED,
Good morning and thanks for your all too familiar judgments……classy. I can suggest a good cheese to go with your whine:-)….For the record, I split time between America Left and America Right…not a Boortz fan as you suggest…are these all Boortz talking points this morning? Do you attack everyone who disagrees with you?
The Conservative Fantasy History of Civil Rights
May 23rd, 2012
7:33 am
The civil rights movement, once a controversial left-wing fringe, has grown deeply embedded into the fabric of our national story. This is a salutary development, but a problematic one for conservatives, who are the direct political descendants of (and, in the case of some of the older members of the movement, the exact same people as) the strident opponents of the civil rights movement. It has thus become necessary for conservatives to craft an alternative story, one that absolves their own ideology of any guilt. The right has dutifully set itself to its task, circulating its convoluted version of history, honing it to the point where it can be repeated by any defensive College Republican in his dorm room. Kevin Williamson’s cover story in National Review is the latest version of what is rapidly congealing into conservatism’s revisionist dogma.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/05/conservative-fantasy-history-of-civil-rights.html
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 23rd, 2012
7:39 am
hey stevie ray
Seen This?
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
7:39 am
Dear Stevie: Do you always respond with blanket and false accusations? What praytell have you “disagreed” with me on and where have I attacked you?
Yes I know it’s just coincidence that your first post is the talking points for Neal Boortz. Just as it is “coincidence” when someone introduces off topic what Neal was just talking about. It’s always “coincidence.” It’s even more coincidence that the order is the same. I understand……….
http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-nuze/
Thomas
May 23rd, 2012
7:40 am
It has thus become necessary for conservatives to craft an alternative story???
thanks much- some folks are too busy to read esoteric bs because they are busy helping their neighbor no matter their race
b/t/w what color is the sky in your world?
stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...
May 23rd, 2012
7:40 am
Conservative Fantasy,
I concur with your postion being familiar with the lunacy with which the GOP tends to interpret history. To be fair, I’m not certain the DEM’s aren’t guilty of same stuff. Here’s a fun endeavor, read Howard Zinn’s DEM tinged History of the US and then read its conservative counterparts…my head almost exploded. In the words of Mark Knopler…”two men say they are Jesus, one of them must be wrong..” Seems there are 3 sides to every story..
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
7:43 am
Waste of time Granny, they refuse to acknowledge their culpability in the debt problem. It doesn’t fit in with their pre-programmed lies.
It’s all Obama’s fault. He’s the ruiner of the US and by proxy the World. If he gets one more term all mothers nationwide will start giving birth to three headed babies with webbed feet. The sky is falling, the sky is falling………
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
7:46 am
Since we are quoting Mark Knopler how about a nod to all the patriots getting rich using chinese slave labor and forced child labor while keeping Americans out of work………..
Used to like to go to work but they shut it all down
I got a right to go to work, no work here to be found
JamVet
May 23rd, 2012
7:49 am
That 2nd 7:33 is excellent, and a point I make here regularly.
It is a disgraceful and embarrassing legacy that still lives very powerfully today and one that the Republicans run away from like a scalded dog.
OR mock themselves unwittingly as stevie ray did 7:29.
Either way, the racial animus runs so deep in today’s so-called conservatives, that it appears that it will take at least another generation or two for the disease to pass from these modern day Jim Crowers…