A demographic tipping point? No, a mere statistical blip

From the Washington Post:

For the first time in U.S. history, most of the nation’s babies are members of minority groups, according to new census figures that signal the dawn of an era in which whites no longer will be in the majority.

Population estimates show that 50.4 percent of children younger than 1 last year were Hispanic, black, Asian American or in other minority groups. That’s almost a full percentage point higher than the 49.5 percent of minority babies counted when the decennial census was taken in April 2010. Census Bureau demographers said the tipping point came three months later, in July….

“Eventually, when the economy returns, we’re going to get more immigrants, maybe not from Mexico but from other parts of the world,” (William Frey, a demographer with the Brookings Institution) said. Without so many youthful immigrants, he added, the United States would look more like Japan, with its disproportionate share of elderly citizens.

“We were already seeing a declining youth population in large parts of the country,” Frey said. “Without immigrants, we’d be essentially youthless. We had a perfect storm. We got them all coming, younger immigrants having children, at a time when we really needed them.”

Sadly, of course, that’s not how some will see it. Rather than a nation built upon shared ideals that will be passed down from generation to generation regardless of ethnic background, in their eyes the United States is a nation that was created by and by rights ought to be defined by a particular ethnic group, their own. To them, an America in which that is no longer true is a diminished America.

But that is simply incorrect. In fact, the idea itself represents a diminished, constricted concept of this country. As Frey notes, immigration continues to serve the function it has always served, reinvigorating this country with fresh energy and ideas. It is not a threat to anything fundamental to our identity, it is a blessing, as it has been throughout our history.

At our best, we Americans have never defined this country by its skin tone or by the ethnic origin of its citizenry. We have and will continue to be something greater than that.

We’re all in this thing together — ain’t it grand? — and there’s no going back.

– Jay Bookman

748 comments Add your comment

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 17th, 2012
9:01 am

Kayaker, if you are having such a huge struggle competing for jobs with the illegal immigrants, it might be time to upgrade some of your skills.

Soothsayer

May 17th, 2012
9:03 am

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 17th, 2012
9:03 am

Finn – 9:01 – :lol:

RB from Gwinnett

May 17th, 2012
9:03 am

These statistics would look completely different if all the immigrants who came here in the first half of the last century had hyphenated themselves and refused to learn our language as the Mexicans have. For some reason, we call them all “white” even though most of them were polish, Russian, spainiards, scots, and every other nationality around the world. Somehow, “minority” no longer has anything to do with where anybody came from, it’s just about skin tone. An immigrant from Germany isn’t a minority, but a black person from Macon is???

When do you suppose white Americans can start getting “protected class” status??

Recon 0311 2533

May 17th, 2012
9:04 am

“This statement is not supported by the facts. A 2008 study by the Manhattan Institute found today’s immigrants are actually assimilating much quicker than the immigrants that brought our forefathers to these shores. When people come for economic reasons they immediately find a job and that increases assimilation.”

Studies such as the one you reference along with articles from MSM staff reporters can’t be counted as fact.

Moderate Line

May 17th, 2012
9:04 am

Sadly, of course, that’s not how some will see it. Rather than a nation built upon shared ideals that will be passed down from generation to generation regardless of ethnic background, in their eyes the United States is a nation that was created by and by rights ought to be defined by a particular ethnic group, their own. To them, an America in which that is no longer true is a diminished America.
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The United States currently has an immigration rate of 3.62 per 1000 which is 26th in the world. This is one of the highest in the world. Only Spain, Austrailia, Canada and Italy are industial countries with higher immigration rates. (CIA Worldfactbook)

According to Nationa Masters the immigrant population in this country is 12.81%. (Nation Master)

No only that the United States has a total of 38 million immigrants. This number surpases the population of Canada. The next closest country is Russia with 12 million.(Nation Master)

I am sure that there are some people like Jay describes but I believe the evidence speaks for itself concerning how open the United States is to immigration.

I believe the facts speak for themselves and are counter to what Jay is saying.

Jay

May 17th, 2012
9:05 am

When do you suppose white Americans can start getting “protected class” status??

When they’ve rounded up the last dozen or so of us and put us into a zoo along with other endangered creatures, RB.

Until then, you’re out of luck.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 17th, 2012
9:05 am

RB, that is such rubbish. There were entire communities across the land where only German, italian, etc was spoken for generations. Their kids went to American schools, learned English, and eventually that language became predominant.

You just don’t like South and Central americans.

JKL2

May 17th, 2012
9:06 am

stevie ray- I read where 181 children a day are born into poverty (defined as under 22K pay/year).

Under the George Soros/Democrat new world order, we’re going to have to drop household incomes down to $14.4k. Instead of looking for a handout, you need to tell those “evil rich” to put their hand in their pocket and pull out some money because they’re not paying their “fair share”.

rightwing troll

May 17th, 2012
9:07 am

“Children under age 6 living in poverty families with a female householder and no husband present: 54.8 percent”

Not all fatherless babies are lucky enough to be born into a Reality TV family like the Palins.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 17th, 2012
9:08 am

“Children under age 6 living in poverty families with a female householder and no husband present: 54.8 percent

of course none of those households are white, right?

Steve Atl

May 17th, 2012
9:08 am

Here comes Mitt Romney…Obama seems to be sputtering a bit…Romney is making a slow calculated surge.

November will be interesting.

craig spinks

May 17th, 2012
9:08 am

The critical factor is not demographic but cultural. Will the Culture of Respect, Responsibility and Reason prevail? Or will it be supplanted by a Culture of Narcissism, Negativity and Notoriety?

rightwing troll

May 17th, 2012
9:09 am

I love Mann Coulter…

JKL2

May 17th, 2012
9:10 am

soothsayer- Wouldn’t it be lov-er-lee!”

What’s your next selection for us going to be, Nero?

“And this is how liberty dies…with thunderous applause”

godless heathen

May 17th, 2012
9:10 am

Adam: What is the point? What are you protecting? Why are you demonizing people, really? I want to know.

Who is “you”? I want to know.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 17th, 2012
9:10 am

“Studies such as the one you reference along with articles from MSM staff reporters can’t be counted as fact.”

:lol:

ohsweetjeebus, that’s the funniest thing I’ve read all day.

that’s right – studies and newspaper stories ABOUT said stories don’t count … it’s only his personal bigotry that is factual

oh, my.

Brosephus™

May 17th, 2012
9:10 am

Recon

You claimed that newer immigrants bring their culture with them rather than assimilating, did you not? My point in that post is that immigrants have ALWAYS brought their culture with them. As to assimilation, that is a process that does not happen overnight. Go back throughout history and find any single group of immigrants that assimilated overnight. Each group has come in, and it takes about a generation or two before they begin to weave themselves into the American fabric. You speak from your experiences, while I’m speaking of documented history of this country.

Brosephus™

May 17th, 2012
9:10 am

kayaker

You don’t get a long term visa to the US without doing the same thing. What’s your point? The only long term visas available to the US are all work related visas. There are many countries that don’t even need a visa to enter the US, and vice-versa, we don’t need visas to enter their countries.

Not sure who you think you’re trying to pull one over on, but I deal with immigration on a daily basis. Your whole rant is moot when you try to equate legal immigrants with illegal immigrants. Now think slowly about that, and you should see the error of your ways….

kayaker 71

May 17th, 2012
9:11 am

So, it appears that the Maryland state legislature has just passed a tax hike on the “rich”, except their definition of “rich”, is anyone making over 100K/yr. This reaches solidly into the middle class. Who is to say that if Bozo is re-elected, be will not do the same thing?

Soothsayer

May 17th, 2012
9:12 am

Moderate Line

May 17th, 2012
9:14 am

Jay

May 17th, 2012
9:05 am
When do you suppose white Americans can start getting “protected class” status??

When they’ve rounded up the last dozen or so of us and put us into a zoo along with other endangered creatures, RB.

Until then, you’re out of luck.
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The only people who are not in a protected class are white men non-Hispanic under 40 who are not handicapped or are not homosexual.
There are laws against discriminating against age.

Mitt Zombie

May 17th, 2012
9:14 am

RB, Recon, Religious guy with a bunch of numbers as a handle, you all continue to spout non-sense about non-assimilation of immigrants. I previously posted a 2008 study that indicated these opinions as non-sense, (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/12/AR2008051202575.html?hpid=topnews).

Here is an updated 2011 study that has more facts that indicated assimilation has even increased over that of a decade ago. In fact the only country doing a better job of assimilation is Canada and that is because they don’t have restrictions like the U.S. does on H1-B visas that attract high skilled immigrants. Each year the government distributes these visas and they are essentially gone in 1 day, meaning we are not letting in enough skilled immigrant labor.

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_64.htm

I know today’s immigrants look different than you, often speak a different language, and sometimes even worship another god, but don’t let that scare you.

Soothsayer

May 17th, 2012
9:15 am

kayaker: I’ve read most of your posts this morning and many of rail against those who are not producers. Please enlighten us all: what do you do for a living?

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 17th, 2012
9:16 am

Who is to say that if Bozo is re-elected, be will not do the same thing?

Sounds reasonable. I wouldn’t call people earning that amount “rich”. Did they really call them rich in whatever article you read?

Doggone/GA

May 17th, 2012
9:16 am

“People used to come to this country because they wanted to become Americans”

Don’t bet on it. At the time of the American Revolution there were deeply committed patriots from PA who fought in Washington’s army but who could not speak English. They spoke only German.

redneckbluedog

May 17th, 2012
9:16 am

TIME TO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE..!!! IT’S OVER…

“American exceptionalism” and “free market capitalism” have been exposed for the conservative LIES that they are.! If America is so “exceptional”, why does Mitt Romney (et al.) hide his money in Switzerland and the Cayman Islands..?

The lies have been perpetrated by those at the top so they can live under their set of rules; 15% tax rates and legal loopholes; while the middle class slaves at $12.00/hr to make them richer. THOSE DAYS ARE OVER. They shipped one too many jobs overseas, recieved one too many bailouts, and cut taxes one too many times.. America will be a Socialist in 4 years, no matter who wins in 2012..!!!!…as it should…..

Under a Romney/Koch/Boehner administration, the US will be like North Korea..those at the top living large, those in the middle and at the bottom have to eat birds, dogs, and rats to survive….They will turn the United States into a giant oil and gas field and force American citizens to work there, under the threat of either starvation or prison….

I know this sounds a tad extreme, but the truth needed to be put out there….

Willydoit?

May 17th, 2012
9:16 am

Immigrants….Good
Illegal Aliens….Bad

JKL2

May 17th, 2012
9:17 am

finn- of course none of those households are white, right?

Of course they are. Someone has to drive the statistics down from the black average.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 17th, 2012
9:18 am

JKL2

“Under the George Soros/Democrat new world order, we’re going to have to drop household incomes down to $14.4k.”

I thought you’d gotten out of the fake quote business.

Jay

May 17th, 2012
9:18 am

Somebody should tell Recon that the group that did that study, the Manhattan Institute, is a conservative think tank. But stand back when you do, the cognitive dissonance might be more than his skull can handle.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 17th, 2012
9:18 am

ohhhh, i’m a white male and I can’t get a break. I can’t get ahead. All the other peoples are protected classes. i need some hep! Give me a tax break!!!!!!!!!

Really? If you’re a white male and you can’t get ahead in the United States, then you really need to do some soul searching.

TaxPayer

May 17th, 2012
9:19 am

At what cutoff should the wealthiest start paying taxes? When they make less than 100k? Less than 50k? Less than 40k? My wife and I could have filed a joint return and taken the standard deduction and paid ZERO payroll or federal income taxes on qualifying dividends and capital gains of more than $85,000 yet the Republicans on here see no problem with that. They only see a problem with people struggling on an income of 20 or 30k and paying payroll taxes but not paying federal income taxes. Why is that?

Brosephus™

May 17th, 2012
9:19 am

The only people who are not in a protected class are white men non-Hispanic under 40 who are not handicapped or are not homosexual.
There are laws against discriminating against age.

There’s also laws against discriminating against religion, so you might not be entirely accurate with the makeup of your group.

kayaker 71

May 17th, 2012
9:19 am

Sooth, 9:15,

A 75 year old retired Army veteran with about 35 years of active duty. Practiced and taught surgery for nearly 44 years prior to retiring, last job teaching at the Univ of FL.

Adam

May 17th, 2012
9:21 am

Somebody should tell Recon that the group that did that study, the Manhattan Institute, is a conservative think tank. But stand back when you do, the cognitive dissonance might be more than his skull can handle.

Reminds me of the Koch funded study that basically proved the “hockey stick” was real.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 17th, 2012
9:22 am

JKL2 and Kayaker are two white males in the US who are struggling to compete with the immigrants.

Really sad. Shoulda tried harder in school?

Joe Hussein Mama

May 17th, 2012
9:22 am

S. Gee — “vision of America, founded on the ideals of liberty and freedom, enforced and limited by a constitution is a deeply conservative vision.”

Bullspit.

The “deeply conservative vision” of 1775 was ’sit down, shut up and obey the King.’

If the Colonies had been ‘conservative’ back then, we’d be having shepherd’s pie for lunch and tea promptly at 4 PM.

Soothsayer

May 17th, 2012
9:22 am

Jay

May 17th, 2012
9:22 am

The only people who are not in a protected class are white men non-Hispanic under 40 who are not handicapped or are not homosexual.

And they’re so so suppressed. Look at Congress; look at the C-level jobs in major corporations; look about everywhere. No straight white men to be seen anywhere. They’ve just vanished — poof! — from the halls of power and money.

Adam

May 17th, 2012
9:23 am

ohhhh, i’m a white male and I can’t get a break. I can’t get ahead. All the other peoples are protected classes. i need some hep! Give me a tax break!!!!!!!!!

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/05/15/straight-white-male-the-lowest-difficulty-setting-there-is/

“As the game progresses, your goal is to gain points, apportion them wisely, and level up. If you start with fewer points and fewer of them in critical stat categories, or choose poorly regarding the skills you decide to level up on, then the game will still be difficult for you. But because you’re playing on the “Straight White Male” setting, gaining points and leveling up will still by default be easier, all other things being equal, than for another player using a higher difficulty setting.

“Likewise, it’s certainly possible someone playing at a higher difficulty setting is progressing more quickly than you are, because they had more points initially given to them by the computer and/or their highest stats are wealth, intelligence and constitution and/or simply because they play the game better than you do. It doesn’t change the fact you are still playing on the lowest difficulty setting.”

HDB

May 17th, 2012
9:23 am

RB from Gwinnett

May 17th, 2012
9:03 am
“When do you suppose white Americans can start getting “protected class” status??”

White men have had it since 1776…..

Talking Head

May 17th, 2012
9:23 am

Not 1 vote in favor of Obama’s 2013 budget.

99-0 in opposition in Senate.
414-0 in opposition in House.

COTUS

Adam

May 17th, 2012
9:24 am

“When do you suppose white Americans can start getting “protected class” status??”

White men have had it since 1776…..

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 17th, 2012
9:25 am

FINN,

Not completely true but almost…the hipanic and african american ethnicities are definitely the most prevalent…twice as likely…I reckon that’s due to entitlements holding folks back, culture of fatherless reproduction, and those born into poverty which seems to become a way of life…

Normal Free...And liking it!

May 17th, 2012
9:25 am

(ir)Rational

May 17th, 2012
9:25 am

Doggone – It wasn’t until after the Revolution was over that they decided that English would be the language we used and not German. I’m thinking there were more people than just the Pennsylvania Dutch that spoke only German.

Finn – I don’t necessarily feel disadvantaged (unless I’m trying to get a job with the government) because I’m a young, straight, white male, but I don’t have any the advantages that I would have had in years past.

Adam

May 17th, 2012
9:25 am

Not 1 vote in favor of Obama’s 2013 budget.

What about this one: http://www.bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/2012/03/congressional-progressive-caucus-fiscal-year-2013-budget-details

You know, the one that the Democrats “never” proposed….?

Joe Hussein Mama

May 17th, 2012
9:26 am

0311 — “………… but dangerous political and violent fanatical religious immigrants WILL cause us to no longer be great.”

I KNEW those Puritans couldn’t possibly be up to anything good.

Jay

May 17th, 2012
9:26 am

“Don’t bet on it. At the time of the American Revolution there were deeply committed patriots from PA who fought in Washington’s army but who could not speak English. They spoke only German.”

And Benjamin Franklin of all people was frightened to death of them:

“Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 17th, 2012
9:27 am

The only people who are not in a protected class are white men…

Help! I’m being repressed!

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 17th, 2012
9:28 am

JKL@,

I don’t understand your post…are you suggesting Soros doesn’t want more folks on welfare?

St Simons - he-ne-ha

May 17th, 2012
9:28 am

well, if this is the case, Biff & Muffie will have to put another gate
around their gated community, which will create jerbs, so there.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 17th, 2012
9:29 am

F. McCool — “Really? If you’re a white male and you can’t get ahead in the United States, then you really need to do some soul searching.”

Ask yourself what Brown can do for you. :D

JKL2

May 17th, 2012
9:30 am

granny- I thought you’d gotten out of the fake quote business

sorry if truth hurts your liberal sensibilities.

The only thing I quoted was from “Star Wars” (pay special attention to the little lines next to the first and last letters in the title. those are called quotes)

Now go change you depends, drink some coffee, and try to wake up the few brain cells you have left. I realize as a Democrat that lying is second nature to you, but it really does get old.

Soothsayer

May 17th, 2012
9:30 am

WhiteGuy

May 17th, 2012
9:32 am

So does this mean as a white man I will get preferential job treatment? Will I get a discrimination law suit if I get fired or don’t get the job? If I get beat up is it a hate crime now?

TaxPayer

May 17th, 2012
9:33 am

Given that folks like JKL2 and kayaker and scout, et al, have been totally dependent on the government their entire lives, I can understand any concerns they may be feeling regarding the prospects of significant cuts by the Republicans in programs geared toward them. However, I think they lash out at the wrong people.

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 17th, 2012
9:33 am

Fatherless reproduction???

Erwin's cat

May 17th, 2012
9:34 am

way to race bait the projected boogey man…

barking frog

May 17th, 2012
9:35 am

Are the rich actively lobbying
for tax breaks ? Are they
promising to increase
hiring if they get a tax
rate reduction ? How
do we know ? Do they
reward the republicans
with more campaign money?

HDB

May 17th, 2012
9:35 am

WhiteGuy

May 17th, 2012
9:32 am
“So does this mean as a white man I will get preferential job treatment?” YOU ALREADY DO!

“Will I get a discrimination law suit if I get fired or don’t get the job?” You already have!

Joe Hussein Mama

May 17th, 2012
9:36 am

JKL — “Now go change you depends, drink some coffee, and try to wake up the few brain cells you have left. I realize as a Democrat that lying is second nature to you, but it really does get old.”

I see the 2012 GOP voter outreach program has resulted in a decidedly ‘kinder and gentler’ approach to people who might not be inclined to vote for Romney. :D

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 17th, 2012
9:37 am

I realize as a Democrat Republican that lying fearing anyone not white is second nature to you, but it really does get old.

Erwin's cat

May 17th, 2012
9:38 am

being white is overrated anyway :D

Moderate Line

May 17th, 2012
9:38 am

Jay

May 17th, 2012
9:22 am
The only people who are not in a protected class are white men non-Hispanic under 40 who are not handicapped or are not homosexual.

And they’re so so suppressed. Look at Congress; look at the C-level jobs in major corporations; look about everywhere. No straight white men to be seen anywhere. They’ve just vanished — poof! — from the halls of power and money.
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The whole point of my post is there are very few people who are not in a protected class. I am not sure of the point of your response to me. I believe your comment reflect you are more into arguing than discussing an issue.

45% of Americans are over 40. Of the rest let us assume half are women. Now we are down to 22.5% of people. Now we assume that a quarter of that is Hispanic or black. Now we are down to 17.5% of the people are not in a protect class and we are not taking into account being handicap or homosexual.

Mark in mid-town

May 17th, 2012
9:39 am

Jay Bookman writes: “Sadly, of course, that’s not how some will see it. Rather than a nation built upon shared ideals that will be passed down from generation to generation regardless of ethnic background, in their eyes the United States is a nation that was created by and by rights ought to be defined by a particular ethnic group, their own.”

Jay, how do you reconcile what you wrote above, which you obviously meant as a not-so-thinly-veiled attack on conservatives, with the demonstrable fact that the most segregated parts of the country are very disproportionately located in areas of the country which overwhelmingly vote Democratic?

JKL2

May 17th, 2012
9:40 am

finn- JKL2 and Kayaker are two white males in the US who are struggling to compete with the immigrants. Really sad. Shoulda tried harder in school?

Sorry, but immigrants are not elligible to hold my position. As for the rest, unlike most people, I’m working in my degree field.

The way I see it, this is just another cog in obama’s divide and conquer strategy. The best way to create class warfare is to create more classes. I wish we could judge people based on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. Unfortunately it doesn’t look like you or Jay is ever going to let that happen.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 17th, 2012
9:41 am

Talking head

another one…you’ll swallow anything?

was it really President Obama’s budget?

really?

Jay

May 17th, 2012
9:41 am

… with the demonstrable fact that the most segregated parts of the country are very disproportionately located in areas of the country which overwhelmingly vote Democratic?

If this is “demonstrable fact,” Mark, then you should have no problem demonstrating it as fact, correct?

JohnnyReb

May 17th, 2012
9:41 am

Obviously, a hot topic – 4 pages in two hours. Don’t have time to read all the posts, but do want to weigh in.

Immigration is not the problem. The problem is, immigrants not assimilating.

When you have hispanics protesting carrying Mexico’s flag, we got a problem.

When you have Islamists wanting to use sharia law, we got a problem.

When there is an assualt on Christianity, we got a problem. This nation was founded on the Christian beliefs. It’s rampant in our culture and government. Others can practice what that will, just don’t try to change us once you are here or because you believe differently.

When political correctness has gotten completely out of control, which it has, we got a problem.

If immigrants don’t like what they find here, they are free to go elsewhere. Knock off the bitching that things are not what you want them to be.

And as to the different ethnic groups already here, one word – assimilate. I don’t want the overall culture to be that of your homeland or what you perceive to be your homeland. This applies to african americans as well – this is not Africa, you are an American. The country has had a white race inspired culture since founding. It does not have to stay exactly the same, but should not stray too far. Culture and success go hand in hand.

Adam

May 17th, 2012
9:42 am

Now go change you depends, drink some coffee, and try to wake up the few brain cells you have left. I realize as a Democrat that lying is second nature to you, but it really does get old

JKL2: The Great Divider! :D

OBIWAN

May 17th, 2012
9:42 am

You left wingers really crack me up, if you are so stupid to think that the GOP is the enemy and the Democrats don’t lie or give tax breaks to the rich, then we need to have an IQ test to vote. Obozo got MORE money from big business than any other candidate. Come on lefties complain about 4 trillion in spending over Bush’s 8 years but not a peep about Obozo spending 5 trillion in 3 years, and most of it going to campaign donors and unions??? My question is are you die hard left wingers really that stupid?

Joe Hussein Mama

May 17th, 2012
9:42 am

JKL — “I wish we could judge people based on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.”

Translation — please don’t look at how white our political party is.

Paul

May 17th, 2012
9:42 am

Went to an awards ceremony at a middle school this week. Decidedly upper-middle class. The award winners were pretty representative of the students – Asian, Hispanic, black, white, Indian. After ceremony pictures: parents in professional clothes, some with grandparents who looked as if they could be immigrants, beaming standing alongside their grandkids.

I think things are going to be just fine.

Oscar

May 17th, 2012
9:43 am

One brach of my family tree was PA dutch, and spoke no English in 1830’s when they go there. Second generation fought in the Revolutionary War. I guess after 180 years their descendents have been assimilated. I feel like it on good days anyway.
Ben Franklin was one of my wife’s ancestors so that was part of the intermarriage.
My Cherokee ancestors could have been more strict with their immigration policy. They allowed illegal immigrants to come in and look what happened to them.
Progress of man.

Adam

May 17th, 2012
9:43 am

JohnnyReb: The problem is, immigrants not assimilating.

Second time I’ve seen this, almost verbatim. Anyone want to guess which conservative radio talk show spouted this one this morning?

Talking Head

May 17th, 2012
9:44 am

“Talking head

another one…you’ll swallow anything?

was it really President Obama’s budget?

really?”

Actually this President Obama’s 3rd consecutive budget plan that has been voted down. 2 in a row with no votes.

Sad

St Simons - he-ne-ha

May 17th, 2012
9:44 am

this is that oh crap moment when puritan whitey says to himself,
“man, what was that jesus fellow’s golden rule again?”

Soothsayer

May 17th, 2012
9:44 am

Adam

May 17th, 2012
9:45 am

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 17th, 2012
9:45 am

JKL2

Truth makes me strong you big silly.

It shall set yu free…if you can find it.

Can’t say as it appears you are even looking for it.

14.4K…was that the truth?

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 17th, 2012
9:46 am

JAY,

Are you suggesting that the allure of continued entitlements and “tax the rich” rhetoric don’t buy minority votes??? In the words of Hunter S Thompson: “good god man!!!!”

JohnnyReb

May 17th, 2012
9:46 am

Adam

May 17th, 2012
9:43 am

JohnnyReb: The problem is, immigrants not assimilating.

Second time I’ve seen this, almost verbatim. Anyone want to guess which conservative radio talk show spouted this one this morning?
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That can only mean great minds think alike as I have not listened to radio or TV this morning.

Cosby

May 17th, 2012
9:47 am

Fine as long as they pull their fair share…but if it is adding to the moocher class…ship them all back

JKL2

May 17th, 2012
9:48 am

stevie ray- I don’t understand your post…are you suggesting Soros doesn’t want more folks on welfare?

Soros wants to collapse the system (to his personal profit of course) and create a “new world order”. To equalized all the countries as it stands, we will have to drop our household income down to $14.4k (since it’s just not fair we have more than all the other countries). Instead of those people at the poverty level getting assistance, they are going to have to start paying.

Compared to the rest of the world, even our poorest people are the “evil rich”.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 17th, 2012
9:49 am

Oh and JKL2

Depends? You wanna go there?

Do I get a free shot now?

You incontinent, impotent, impudent Mr. Silly Pants.

Depends don’t come in bikinis anyway…..

ZoSo

May 17th, 2012
9:49 am

Adam,

Take a good look at the author of your post:

Satoshi Kanazawa PhD (born November 16, 1962) is a Reader in Management at the London School of Economics. His work uses evolutionary psychology to analyze social sciences such as sociology, economics, and anthropology.[1] Some of his work dealing with race and gender has been controversial and led to his dismissal from writing for Psychology Today.

Kanazawa has been a fierce opponent of what he considers political correctness.[2] Much of his work is not considered mainstream evolutionary psychology.[3] In response to ongoing controversy, his current employer, the London School of Economics, has prohibited him from publishing in non-peer-reviewed outlets for 12 months. [4]

a real authority. it’s an opinion at best

Adam

May 17th, 2012
9:50 am

I wish we could judge people based on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin

Alright. Let’s look at the GOP content of character.

Take Mitt Romney. A man who has positions very different from where he was just 8 short years ago. A man who once claimed to be to the left of Ted Kennedy on gay rights, and is now to the right of John McCain and George W Bush on the same issue. A man who once claimed he was pro choice and now is anti-choice. What judgement do you make of his character?

Let’s take David Vitter. A prominent U.S. Senator, arguably one of the highest offices in the nation. How do you judge his character?

How about Governor Walker? I am sure you have some nice things to say about him. But what about the tactics he has been caught on tape more than once talking about, a “divide and conquer” strategy, sending in plants to “make trouble.” How do you judge his character?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

May 17th, 2012
9:51 am

…ship them all back

And exactly how much are you willing to spend — on a per head basis — to round ‘em up and as you say “ship them all back”?

(ir)Rational

May 17th, 2012
9:51 am

Jay – I realize it isn’t my point to prove, but here is a group of maps from 2 years ago that prove the point fairly clearly. I saw something about this on History or Discovery or some channel like that a few months ago, and I was surprised to see it, but the more racially segregated cities were in the parts of the country that constantly claim how racially segregated and biased the South is. I’ll see if I can find a link to that story/show at some point.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315078/Race-maps-America.html

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 17th, 2012
9:52 am

Talking head

Nope.

You are misinformed.

Keep googling.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 17th, 2012
9:52 am

JohnnyReb — “Immigration is not the problem. The problem is, immigrants not assimilating.”

I disagree. The problem is with immigrants not regularizing their status and coming out of the wilderness. If someone wants to immigrate from some little African nation and eat okra, bean and rice stew every day for the rest of his life, are you going to get upset because he won’t ‘assimilate into American culture?’

“When you have hispanics protesting carrying Mexico’s flag, we got a problem.”

I wonder if you think we have a problem when rednecks protest carrying the flag of the Confederacy.

“When you have Islamists wanting to use sharia law, we got a problem.”

Don’t think so. You pretty clearly don’t understand the argument over sharia law.

“When there is an assualt on Christianity, we got a problem.”

We’re not a christian nation. no matter how much you’d like to believe we are.

“This nation was founded on the Christian beliefs.”

No, it wasn’t. Show me where there’s any mention of god or jesus in the Constitution.

“It’s rampant in our culture and government.”

Rampant — what a good word to use to describe it. Rampant in the sense of kudzu taking over your yard, yes.

“Others can practice what that will, just don’t try to change us once you are here or because you believe differently.”

YOU don’t have to change a bit. Just don’t expect some kind of christian primacy or preferred status, because your religion doesn’t receive any kind of preferential status on the Constitution. And you don’t speak for all of “us.”

“When political correctness has gotten completely out of control, which it has, we got a problem.”

WTF are you talking about?

“If immigrants don’t like what they find here, they are free to go elsewhere.”

And so can YOU.

“Knock off the bitching that things are not what you want them to be.”

Physician, heal thyself.

“And as to the different ethnic groups already here, one word – assimilate.”

Why? What exactly do you expect them to do?

“I don’t want the overall culture to be that of your homeland or what you perceive to be your homeland.”

If someone wants to celebrate their old holidays, practice their old religion and cook/eat their traditional foods, what skin is that off your nose?

“This applies to african americans as well – this is not Africa, you are an American. The country has had a white race inspired culture since founding.”

Oh. Okay. Now I know what kind of person I’m dealing with. Your use of the term “white race” tells me everything I need to know.

“It does not have to stay exactly the same, but should not stray too far. Culture and success go hand in hand.”

(laughing, pointing) :D

Brosephus™

May 17th, 2012
9:52 am

And as to the different ethnic groups already here, one word – assimilate. I don’t want the overall culture to be that of your homeland or what you perceive to be your homeland. This applies to african americans as well – this is not Africa, you are an American. The country has had a white race inspired culture since founding. It does not have to stay exactly the same, but should not stray too far. Culture and success go hand in hand.

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Adam

May 17th, 2012
9:52 am

JohnnyReb: That can only mean great minds think alike as I have not listened to radio or TV this morning.

A likely story. This is what you guys always say.

If true, though, there is no way this is “great minds” thinking alike at all. Simplistic hierarchical mindsets also think alike.

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 17th, 2012
9:53 am

JLK2,

Got it…eccentrics like Soros, the Koch brothers et al make me ill…different positions, same contribution toward maintenance of a corrupt and underperfoming system…Easy to be narcissitic and politically eccentric when you have billions…Imagine government with not private money..it’s easy if you try…no cronyism or scandal, above us only sky….

Brosephus™

May 17th, 2012
9:54 am

this is that oh crap moment when puritan whitey says to himself,
“man, what was that jesus fellow’s golden rule again?”

Funny, but sooo wrong…
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Joe Hussein Mama

May 17th, 2012
9:54 am

JohnnyReb — “That can only mean great minds think alike as I have not listened to radio or TV this morning.”

After your tirade about the “white race,” I’m pretty sure you don’t need to worry about being compared to any great minds.

Adam

May 17th, 2012
9:54 am

ZoSo: a real authority. it’s an opinion at best

Whatever makes you feel better. I guess you missed the part that should give you hope (and I know how you guys just LOVE “hope”) where he talks about statistical outliers.

It’s easy enough to find plenty of studies CONSERVATIVES have done trying to debunk this, without success, as well.

Oscar

May 17th, 2012
9:55 am

Adam

May 17th, 2012
9:45 am

“the genuine concern for the welfare of genetically unrelated others and the willingness to contribute larger proportions of private resources for the welfare of such others”

Quote from the article on the link you posted about.

Good arrticle. About sums it up. Liberals are also less likely to perviece the unknown as dangergous than conservatives, who tend to see monsters and threats under all the rocks and in all the closets.