A demographic tipping point? No, a mere statistical blip

From the Washington Post:

For the first time in U.S. history, most of the nation’s babies are members of minority groups, according to new census figures that signal the dawn of an era in which whites no longer will be in the majority.

Population estimates show that 50.4 percent of children younger than 1 last year were Hispanic, black, Asian American or in other minority groups. That’s almost a full percentage point higher than the 49.5 percent of minority babies counted when the decennial census was taken in April 2010. Census Bureau demographers said the tipping point came three months later, in July….

“Eventually, when the economy returns, we’re going to get more immigrants, maybe not from Mexico but from other parts of the world,” (William Frey, a demographer with the Brookings Institution) said. Without so many youthful immigrants, he added, the United States would look more like Japan, with its disproportionate share of elderly citizens.

“We were already seeing a declining youth population in large parts of the country,” Frey said. “Without immigrants, we’d be essentially youthless. We had a perfect storm. We got them all coming, younger immigrants having children, at a time when we really needed them.”

Sadly, of course, that’s not how some will see it. Rather than a nation built upon shared ideals that will be passed down from generation to generation regardless of ethnic background, in their eyes the United States is a nation that was created by and by rights ought to be defined by a particular ethnic group, their own. To them, an America in which that is no longer true is a diminished America.

But that is simply incorrect. In fact, the idea itself represents a diminished, constricted concept of this country. As Frey notes, immigration continues to serve the function it has always served, reinvigorating this country with fresh energy and ideas. It is not a threat to anything fundamental to our identity, it is a blessing, as it has been throughout our history.

At our best, we Americans have never defined this country by its skin tone or by the ethnic origin of its citizenry. We have and will continue to be something greater than that.

We’re all in this thing together — ain’t it grand? — and there’s no going back.

– Jay Bookman

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stands for decibels

May 17th, 2012
7:30 am

I have to say that when I saw this birthin’ demographic story earlier this morning, my first thought was “Of course, this is why conservatives are acting like they have to get all kinds of weird sh-t passed RIGHT NOW, because they are terrified that the country will be out of their hands soon, and all Those People will be helpin’ themselves to what conservatives believe is rightfully Their Stuff.”

It’s a crude analysis and not entirely fair, and it relies on a lot of mind reading on my part, but it’s not far from the truth, is it?

Lord Help Us

May 17th, 2012
7:32 am

All the while the GOP tent gets smaller and smaller.

Tick…tick…tick…

Thomas Heyward Jr

May 17th, 2012
7:32 am

“At our best, we Americans have never defined this country by its skin tone or by the ethnic origin of its citizenry.”
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True…Americans don’t.
Romney/Obama progs DO…………….everyday.

stands for decibels

May 17th, 2012
7:35 am

I posted this downstairs, and maybe it’s not all that off-topic for this thread–anyone else hear about this Georgia ACLU report?

http://www.acluga.org/Prisoners_of_Profit.pdf

It was reported this morning by local GA NPR stations, written up here. Lede grafs follow. (Wonder what the official reaction’s gonna be…)

Atlanta — The American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia released a new report documenting what it calls sub-standard conditions at the state’s four, federal immigration detention facilities. The three year probe reveals alleged violations of detainees’ due process rights, inadequate medical care, substandard living conditions and abuse of power by those in charge.

Sixty-eight detainees at facilities in Stewart County, Irwin County, Gainesville and the city of Atlanta were interviewed along with family members, immigration attorneys and detention officials. The three year probe reveals alleged violations of detainees’ due process rights, inadequate medical care, substandard living conditions and abuse of power by those in charge.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 17th, 2012
7:37 am

Normal Free...And liking it!

May 17th, 2012
7:37 am

Wasn’t America supposed to be the “great Melting Pot”? Why so afraid of the inevitable?

America just might be Gods way of say we CAN all get along. I welcome all peoples who want to be Americans…regardless of race, creed, or culture.

Mick

May 17th, 2012
7:39 am

Good points, I am italian/irish whose great grandparents were newly arrived immigrants. Today, even though I am proud of both heritages, I consider myself as just an american. Thank god for all these babies being born! These people need to pay our social security, the least we can do is try to get this country back on an even keel for them. Right now, that task is looking pretty bleak…

Madmax

May 17th, 2012
7:39 am

Stands & Lord – since when did you become spokesmen for the GOP and conservatives? All along I thought Rush and Hannity were the spokesmen. So nice to see the hate flowing in your viens so early in the day

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 17th, 2012
7:41 am

Mad Max

“All the while the GOP tent gets smaller and smaller.”

Is hate?

Thin skinned are you.

stands for decibels

May 17th, 2012
7:42 am

since when did you become spokesmen for the GOP and conservatives?

I guess you missed the part where I acknowledged that my reaction was merely a reaction, and not entirely fair? No?

If so, I got to ask: Are you just here to pick fights, or would you like to actually discuss something on-topic?

Aquagirl

May 17th, 2012
7:45 am

sub-standard conditions at the state’s four, federal immigration detention facilities.

“whut u no unnerstand ’bout eye-legal?!?!” in 3….2…1….

America is full of Americans, always has been. It’s only the un-American who think it’s not.

Madmax

May 17th, 2012
7:47 am

I didn’t see anything in jays post about GOP & conservatives so you were off topic to start looking for a fight. You continually project the fringe of the right as making up the whole of the mix which is as fair as saying OWS represents the entire Democratic party and liberals. You don’t want to discuss, you want to put down every idea from those that don’t think like you.

Normal Free...And liking it!

May 17th, 2012
7:48 am

Off topic a bit, but interesting nevertheless…

“The administration signaled last week that it would not support a budget that is $4 billion over the president’s request and $8 billion over the spending caps set last fall by the bipartisan Budget Control Act of 2011.”

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/05/military-white-house-threatens-to-veto-authorization-bill-051612w/

Normal Free...And liking it!

May 17th, 2012
7:49 am

I think MadMax needs to lay off the caffeine…

stands for decibels

May 17th, 2012
7:50 am

Mad Max, I invite you to read this article about the mentality I’d only crudely described in my post @ 7.30, and which Lord Help Us more accurately described @ 7.32, at your leisure, and tell me whether you think it’s a fair assessment of Republicans’ collective fears, or not.

http://nymag.com/news/features/gop-primary-chait-2012-3/

small taste follows.

To be sure, the apocalyptic ideological analysis—that “freedom” is incompatible with Clinton-era tax rates and Massachusetts-style health care—is pure crazy. But the panicked strategic analysis, and the sense of urgency it gives rise to, is actually quite sound. The modern GOP—the party of Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes—is staring down its own demographic extinction. Right-wing warnings of impending tyranny express, in hyperbolic form, well-grounded dread: that conservative America will soon come to be dominated, in a semi-permanent fashion, by an ascendant Democratic coalition hostile to its outlook and interests. And this impending doom has colored the party’s frantic, fearful response to the Obama presidency.

The GOP has reason to be scared. Obama’s election was the vindication of a prediction made several years before by journalist John Judis and political scientist Ruy Teixeira in their 2002 book, The Emerging Democratic Majority. Despite the fact that George W. Bush then occupied the White House, Judis and Teixeira argued that demographic and political trends were converging in such a way as to form a ­natural-majority coalition for Democrats.

The Republican Party had increasingly found itself confined to white voters, especially those lacking a college degree and rural whites who, as Obama awkwardly put it in 2008, tend to “cling to guns or religion.” Meanwhile, the Democrats had ­increased their standing among whites with graduate degrees, particularly the growing share of secular whites, and remained dominant among racial minorities. As a whole, Judis and Teixeira noted, the electorate was growing both somewhat better educated and dramatically less white, making every successive election less favorable for the GOP.

[...]

[T]he party has bet everything on 2012, preferring a Hail Mary strategy to the slow march of legislative progress. That is the basis of the House Republicans’ otherwise inexplicable choice to vote last spring for a sweeping budget plan that would lock in low taxes, slash spending, and transform Medicare into ­private vouchers—none of which was popular with voters. Majority parties are known to hold unpopular votes occasionally, but holding an ­unpopular vote that Republicans knew full well stood zero chance of enactment (with Obama casting a certain veto) broke new ground in the realm of foolhardiness.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 17th, 2012
7:52 am

Mad Max

“Lighten up Francis”

stands for decibels

May 17th, 2012
7:53 am

Ok, Mad Max, I didn’t see your reply @ 7.47 before I posted my article link @ 7.50.

So you believe it’s hateful for me to presume that many self-identifying conservatives could be alarmed by stories about birth demographics, and that this alarm could motivate them to behave rashly? Fair enough.

I disagree, but I do at least understand your point.

kayaker 71

May 17th, 2012
7:56 am

So, lets all gather around the campfire and all together now,…… Kumbaya, my Lord, Kumbaya. Yes, we are a pretty homogenous group. However, in any society, take your pick, there are the movers and shakers and the hangers on. In this liberal nirvana that Bookman advocates, where are the job producers and the innovators that allow a society to thrive and allow the hangers on to keep hanging on? This sounds like friggin’ Cuba.

Jay

May 17th, 2012
7:57 am

You’re not a liberal, “liberal,” but apparently you DO believe every bit of nonsense that you read.

Brosephus™

May 17th, 2012
7:57 am

dB @ 7:30

Not sure if I could agree with that. What I see is the opposite. The GOP is eviscerating the protections for the minority, not realizing that they are going to be the minority in the near future. The “special” protections they rail about and claim are not needed will be the very protections that helps them in the future. I can’t wait to see the collective expressions of the masses when they realize they need the very laws they have always opposed.

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Mick

My family goes all the way back to the 1790’s. I don’t think you could be much more American than that, except for maybe about 20 years. You’re spot on about the babies too. More younger workers helps offset the SS cost of the baby boomers. Once the baby boomers are taken care of, things will be better than ok financially. America has always been “a melting pot”, and it always will be, regardless of the attempts of others to stop that.

Taipei Personality

May 17th, 2012
8:01 am

Want a ticking time bomb? Check out Europe, with such low birth rates of “natives” that they are facing the imminent threat of being Muslim-majority nations within a few decades. Is that a problem? Well, it depends. If they are like most Muslims here in the US, probably not. But other nations have faced major battles, such as Sharia law creeping into the law codes and destruction of historical artifacts of other religions. Unfortunately, the same tolerance that Muslims also use to gain acceptance is then cut off at the trunk when it comes to being tolerant for others. So all that said – kudos to America for keeping the babies coming! Maybe they’ll be smart enough to ditch the current political parties altogether!

HDB

May 17th, 2012
8:02 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

May 17th, 2012
7:32 am
“At our best, we Americans have never defined this country by its skin tone or by the ethnic origin of its citizenry.”

Oh…REALLY?? Ask a Hispanic is Arizona since SB1070 has been passed; ask any black woman being decried as “welfare queens” since Ronald Reagan; ask any black mand about being thought of as thugs primarily by conservatives and/or Caucasians…..

Methinks you need to get out more often…..

Sarah Gee

May 17th, 2012
8:04 am

What a load of garbage from Jay!! The vision of America, founded on the ideals of liberty and freedom, enforced and limited by a constitution is a deeply conservative vision. The collection of aggrieved, hyphenated americans is democrat vision, a tool of division honed to a razors edge by the current president. It is the democrats who have tried hard to vacate the shared ideals of America.

Donovan

May 17th, 2012
8:06 am

Gosh, Jay. Thanks for the news bulletin about how your Democrat hacks in Washington are successfully tipping the scales on illegal immigration.

Really sad on how you people love to mine for votes at the expense of this country.

Brosephus™

May 17th, 2012
8:07 am

dB

On the prison thing, I haven’t been inside of any of the detention facilities. From what I can remember, there was an idea being passed aroud to upgrade the facilities in years past.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/29/proposed-ice-detention-center-upgrades-questioned/

I don’t think those changes were able to get around objections of GOP congresspersons. I could be wrong, but I think they stalled out. What that report appears to be pointing out is the results of gridlock. I’m still reading your link though, so I might be wrong.

ty webb

May 17th, 2012
8:08 am

fear of minorities is a rea phobial…and it’s the primary reason why Obama has stepped up deportations of “those people”…so easy.

ty webb

May 17th, 2012
8:09 am

meant “real phobia”.

kayaker 71

May 17th, 2012
8:09 am

Of course, Bookman ignores the fact that close to 11M or so, depending on your count, are here illegally. Mostly Mexicans and those from Central America. From the stats, they are procreating like rabbits, all on the American taxpayer dime. And their progeny, if born here, thanks to Amendment #14, are American citizens. More hangers on. We already have nearly 50% who pay no federal income tax. All of the government services provided for them are free of charge. The more people on the dole, the more of a tax obligation it is for those who pay taxes. This can’t go forever.

Ivan

May 17th, 2012
8:10 am

“At our best, we Americans have never defined this country by its skin tone or by the ethnic origin of its citizenry”

Jay, I only ask you to look at HDB’s 8:02 as an example why ethnicity & skin tone will always be a factor in our country. People will never be colorblind. Including folks like him, who will treat people of color as a victim first and foremost.

And then I’ll ask you to come back to the United States here on Earth.

stands for decibels

May 17th, 2012
8:12 am

Check out Europe, with such low birth rates of “natives” that they are facing the imminent threat of being Muslim-majority

Boy, the “Yups R goin’ Moooslum” card sure got played quick.

Hilarious, classic take on this for those with the time and a sense of humor.

A sweet elderly lady from Los Angeles is sitting on the rocks nearby, telling me dreamily about her son. “Is he your only child?” I ask. “Yes,” she says. “Do you have a child back in England?” she asks. No, I say. Her face darkens. “You’d better start,” she says. “The Muslims are breeding. Soon, they’ll have the whole of Europe.”

I am getting used to these moments – when gentle holiday geniality bleeds into… what? I lie on the beach with Hillary-Ann, a chatty, scatty 35-year-old Californian designer. As she explains the perils of Republican dating, my mind drifts, watching the gentle tide. When I hear her say, ” Of course, we need to execute some of these people,” I wake up. Who do we need to execute? She runs her fingers through the sand lazily. “A few of these prominent liberals who are trying to demoralise the country,” she says. “Just take a couple of these anti-war people off to the gas chamber for treason to show, if you try to bring down America at a time of war, that’s what you’ll get.” She squints at the sun and smiles. ” Then things’ll change.”

jconservative

May 17th, 2012
8:13 am

As I conservative I do not look upon immigration as a bad thing. Jay is correct on this, immigration is always been the life saving blood of this nation. And it will do so going forward. Most conservatives would agree with me. I believe that most Republicans would disagree with me.

Bottom line is that most Republicans are not conservative. Most are big believers in Big Government. They have a long laundry list of “evils” they want fixed; and they want the “fix” done by the government. That, by definition, is not conservative.

I am English/Irish. My wife is an immigrant of Spanish and Italian parents. Our kids are the “all American” mix of the four. And it is wonderful. On purpose our house is decorated with English/Irish/Spanish/Italian memorabilia. All for the benefit of the grandchildren to remind them of their heritage.

ty webb

May 17th, 2012
8:14 am

we need to protect all our minorities…even the “minorities” who are 1/32 of one(though that’s yet to be confirmed).

stands for decibels

May 17th, 2012
8:14 am

I don’t think those changes were able to get around objections of GOP congresspersons.

I’d be shocked, shocked, if the lion’s share of the problem turned out to be because of such objections.

But hey, they’re savin’ the taxpayers money!

Adam

May 17th, 2012
8:14 am

Rage, rage against the dying of the light….

stands for decibels

May 17th, 2012
8:14 am

stands for decibels

May 17th, 2012
8:16 am

our house is decorated with English/Irish/Spanish/Italian memorabilia. All for the benefit of the grandchildren to remind them of their heritage.

I’m having one of those “you learn neat stuff about people sometimes on these Internets” moments.

kayaker 71

May 17th, 2012
8:17 am

Ty, 8:14,

Seems that Spreading Bull has some explaining to do. The Northeastern Heritage Foundation can’t seem find any Cherokee lineage in her background. All of her lies don’t seen to bother liberals, however.

Recon 0311 2533

May 17th, 2012
8:20 am

The problem that goes unnoticed or unreported is that today’s immigrants are not the same as the immigrants who came to America in years past. Today’s immigrants don’t come here because they truly want to become Americans and build their lives based on the freedoms along with the opportunities they didn’t have in their countries of origin. They come here only for job opportunities and social benefits they didn’t have in their countries of origin. Rather than assimilating into American culture they bring theirs with them. Unfortunately we enable their lack of desire to fully assimilate out of political motivation. This is not the case with all immigrants who come today but it’s the case with far too many. It’s not the same as it was with are grandparents, great grandparents and previous generations of immigrants who came here to help build this country. We’re rapidly becoming a country of takers and today’s immigrants assimilate only into that portion of our society.

Adam

May 17th, 2012
8:20 am

kayaker: Northeastern Heritage Foundation

A quick Google search turns up no such organization. Perhaps you mean to leave out the “Northeastern” part?

Joel Edge

May 17th, 2012
8:20 am

“Americans have never defined this country by its skin tone or by the ethnic origin of its citizenry.”
True. Unfortunately; the Dem party does it on a daily basis.

ty webb

May 17th, 2012
8:21 am

kayaker,
she is truly “The last of the Fauxhicans” (before “stands for decibels P.I” goes googling, I didn’t not come up with that one myself)

Normal Free...And liking it!

May 17th, 2012
8:21 am

Let’s see…Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t more illegals been deported by president Obama in his first term than President Bush did in both terms?

But honestly, the Illegal “problem” will have to be addressed and since it is absolutely impossible to remove them all, a form of amnesty will have to be implemented to make them legal and put on the tax rolls.

It’s time to put the “All White America” myth to rest. It’s way past time to embrace the fact that the true symbol of America is a rainbow. Come one, come all and welcome all.

Adam

May 17th, 2012
8:22 am

Recon: ?Today’s immigrants don’t come here because they truly want to become Americans and build their lives based on the freedoms along with the opportunities they didn’t have in their countries of origin. They come here only for job opportunities and social benefits they didn’t have in their countries of origin.

No wonder illegal immigration is DOWN 67%.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/01/AR2010090106940.html

We have crappier social programs than most of the rest of the industrialized world, and depending on which social programs we’re talking about? Worse than Mexico. Hey, don’t believe me? Look it up.

Brosephus™

May 17th, 2012
8:24 am

I am English/Irish. My wife is an immigrant of Spanish and Italian parents. Our kids are the “all American” mix of the four.

Cool…. I think people should celebrate their full heritages. That’s what makes America so unique. We are not a one-dimensional culture.

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dB

Up into the 70’s of that report. I must say, it seems as though CCA is doing a damned good job of proving the private sector can screw up even more than the government. ;)

Adam

May 17th, 2012
8:24 am

I also love how people have outed themselves and their racial views by commenting on a thread about how minority groups are increasing in number by talking about how Elizabeth Warren just doesn’t LOOK like a Native American, and therefore cannot POSSIBLY have any Native American ancestry at all….

godless heathen

May 17th, 2012
8:25 am

Has anyone seen a post by a “con” or “GOPer” on this blog that said immigration, within the legal limits set by Congress, is a bad thing?

Mary Elizabeth

May 17th, 2012
8:25 am

Sarah, 8:04 am

“What a load of garbage from Jay!! The vision of America, founded on the ideals of liberty and freedom, enforced and limited by a constitution is a deeply conservative vision.”
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See below Pultizer Prize winning author Gordon S. Wood’s remarks about Thomas Jefferson, one of America’s key Founding Fathers who defined our American ideas of “liberty and freedom” from his book “Revolutionary Characters” :

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‘The importance of this domesticated modern virtue to Jefferson’s. . . thinking can scarely be exaggerated. Unlike Classical virtue, it was not nostalgic or backward-looking but progressive and indeed radical. It laid the basis for all reform movements of the nineteenth century as well as for all subsequent modern liberal thinking. We still yearn for a world in which we all will love one another.’ (p. 107)

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Jefferson’s spiritual instincts overlapped with his egalitarian consciousness, i.e. ‘all men are created equal.’ He believed that if mankind were good enough, we would not need government.

I might add that Jefferson did not perceive of others in terms of their externals but in terms of their minds and spirits, which is a more substantial and progressive way to view ourselves and others.

Adam

May 17th, 2012
8:26 am

(ir)Rational

May 17th, 2012
8:26 am

Bro – Cool…. I think people should celebrate their full heritages. That’s what makes America so unique. We are not a one-dimensional culture.

Do I have to acknowledge the French part? I’m embarrassed for my ancestors for going there. ;)

Also, are you working in the new terminal?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 17th, 2012
8:27 am

“Today’s immigrants don’t come here because they truly want to become Americans and build their lives based on the freedoms along with the opportunities they didn’t have in their countries of origin.”

That unsupportable piffle deserves this

Adam

May 17th, 2012
8:28 am

godless: Well Recon’s post just prior to yours indicates he does not support “today’s” version of immigration. And the word “illegal” is not anywhere in his post.

But I’m sure you BOTH have excuses ready for that.

HDB

May 17th, 2012
8:28 am

Ivan

May 17th, 2012
8:10 am

It’s not me, Ivan…it’s the preponderance of CONSERVATIVES in this nation who wish to REWRITE history rather than REMEMBER it!! I’m just calling it as I’ve LIVED it!! Ask yourself this question: When did America EVER treat people of color as equals? The Founders NEVER did…and remember, women were considered as PROPERTY (and in many cases, that ideology still exists!). If you want to be REAL about things…this nation was founded on the idea that people of color (…and particularly the Natives) were culturally inequivalent to the “majority”. Now that the majority sees the possibility of that status changing to their detriment, they unleash FEAR and PANIC in order to keep power, maintain the status quo!!

…from nymag:

“The Republican Party had increasingly found itself confined to white voters, especially those lacking a college degree and rural whites who, as Obama awkwardly put it in 2008, tend to “cling to guns or religion.” Meanwhile, the Democrats had ­increased their standing among whites with graduate degrees, particularly the growing share of secular whites, and remained dominant among racial minorities. As a whole, Judis and Teixeira noted, the electorate was growing both somewhat better educated and dramatically less white, making every successive election less favorable for the GOP. And the trends were even more striking in some key swing states. Judis and Teixeira highlighted Colorado, Nevada, and Arizona, with skyrocketing Latino populations, and Virginia and North Carolina, with their influx of college-educated whites, as the most fertile grounds for the expanding Democratic base.

Whatever its abstract intellectual roots, conservatism has since at least the sixties drawn its political strength by appealing to heartland identity politics. In 1985, Stanley Greenberg, then a political scientist, immersed himself in Macomb County, a blue-collar Detroit suburb where whites had abandoned the Democratic Party in droves. He found that the Reagan Democrats there understood politics almost entirely in racial terms, translating any Democratic appeal to economic justice as taking their money to subsidize the black underclass. And it didn’t end with the Reagan era. Piles of recent studies have found that voters often conflate “social” and “economic” issues. What social scientists delicately call “ethnocentrism” and “racial resentment” and “ingroup solidarity” are defining attributes of conservative voting behavior, and help organize a familiar if not necessarily rational coalition of ideological interests. Doctrines like neoconservative foreign policy, supply-side economics, and climate skepticism may bear little connection to each other at the level of abstract thought. But boiled down to political sound bites and served up to the voters, they blend into an indistinguishable stew of racial, religious, cultural, and nationalistic identity.”

http://nymag.com/news/features/gop-primary-chait-2012-3/index1.html

GB

May 17th, 2012
8:28 am

Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?

Me: Diversity is our strength. We must foster it. Diversity makes us a better nation.

Your lying eyes: Multi-ethnic societies all over the world are more troubled than homogeneous societies. The trouble ranges from mild (Anglo-French Canada) to severe (Serb- Croat- Moslem- Slovenian- Montenegrin- Albanian- Macedonian- Yugoslavia).

But don’t let experience get in the way of dogma: we don’t want to be a monoethnic hell hole like Iceland. We must strive to be a multiethnic paradise like Rwanda.

Normal Free...And liking it!

May 17th, 2012
8:30 am

In my family tree, I cannot identify one ethnic group as that dominate group…all seem to be about an equal mix. So I can’t say I’m French American, Canadian American, Irish American,
Scottish American, or Spanish American. With my mixed blood, I can only say I’m Mongrel American…and proud of it. My family took this “melting pot” thing seriously… ;)

Adam

May 17th, 2012
8:30 am

godless: And GB also indicates immigration of any kind (illegal or otherwise) is bad.

But I am SURE he’s not a “con” or “GOPer,” or maybe there’s some other reason, maybe he’s a plant!

kayaker 71

May 17th, 2012
8:30 am

Adam, 8:24,

She scammed the system to get tuition assistance for college. Hell, Harvard even called her their first Indian student. With 1/32, and that’s debatable, I don’t think that I would have the balls to apply for tuition assistance based on only that.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

May 17th, 2012
8:31 am

lemme tell you a story bout illegal immygration…….

It is no accident this happened in 2012, instead of 2015
as originally predicted.
The waves cometh, there is nothing you can do, mon

Brosephus™

May 17th, 2012
8:31 am

Today’s immigrants don’t come here because they truly want to become Americans and build their lives based on the freedoms along with the opportunities they didn’t have in their countries of origin. They come here only for job opportunities and social benefits they didn’t have in their countries of origin. Rather than assimilating into American culture they bring theirs with them.

So, Chinatown appeared in New York, San Francisco, and other cities only recently? St. Patrick’s Day has only been celebrated in cities like Boston and Savannah for about the past 20 – 30 years? New Orleans and Mobile have only recently adopted Mardi Gras celebrations?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1NwW3GCn7k#t=00m41s

Brosephus™

May 17th, 2012
8:32 am

(ir)Rational

I was lucky enough that my off days this week fell on the first two days of that terminal being open. :)

Adam

May 17th, 2012
8:33 am

kayaker: She scammed the system to get tuition assistance for college. Hell, Harvard even called her their first Indian student. With 1/32, and that’s debatable, I don’t think that I would have the balls to apply for tuition assistance based on only that.

1) You have no proof that she scammed anyone
2) You seem to imply that she is completely incompetent, and that Harvard just sent her and Obama through because of affirmative action, but not at all based on their merits, grades, etc.

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 17th, 2012
8:33 am

I read where 181 children a day are born into poverty (defined as under 22K pay/year). How many of this kids will be ruined from the get-go with entitlements that keep them down and resulting in an ever expanding drain on our borrowed resources….Children under age 6 living in poverty families with a female householder and no husband present: 54.8 percent

Sticky wicket indeed…

Adam

May 17th, 2012
8:35 am

kayaker: I don’t think that I would have the balls to apply for tuition assistance based on only that.

Also, thank you for admitting that Elizabeth Warren is more ballsy than you are. We always knew, but still :lol:

(ir)Rational

May 17th, 2012
8:35 am

Bro – I guess congrats are in order then. Can’t imagine that went as smoothly as the news would have us believe.

Brosephus™

May 17th, 2012
8:37 am

I read where 181 children a day are born into poverty (defined as under 22K pay/year).

Interesting. I wonder how many more people would be middle class if the pathways to the middle class were not offshored in the name profiteering? Used to be that one could start at an entry level position and work their way into better jobs with better pay and even work their way into management. Those jobs are long gone, and there’s nothing to replace them. Working at Wal-Mart isn’t the same thing as working at a steel mill. Even when you progress through the jobs and into management, the pay is nowhere near the same.

Brosephus™

May 17th, 2012
8:39 am

(ir)Rational

I haven’t called any co-workers either. I’m looking at things from the angle of plausible deniablility. :)

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 17th, 2012
8:40 am

If I was looking for a place to move to I don’t think the US would be the top choice. Other countries have a higher standard of living and now the “American dream” of advancing your situation is more likely to be accomplished elsewhere.

Mitt Zombie

May 17th, 2012
8:40 am

Recon – Rather than assimilating into American culture they bring theirs with them.

This statement is not supported by the facts. A 2008 study by the Manhattan Institute found today’s immigrants are actually assimilating much quicker than the immigrants that brought our forefathers to these shores. When people come for economic reasons they immediately find a job and that increases assimilation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/12/AR2008051202575.html?hpid=topnews

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 17th, 2012
8:43 am

Harvard just sent her and Obama through because of affirmative action, but not at all based on their merits, grades, etc

That’s the entire GOP mantra. They are liberal or they are of color so there is no way they ever did anything through merit.

kayaker 71

May 17th, 2012
8:43 am

These “loyal immigrants”, those who came her illegally, send over 8B dollars/year home to Mexico without paying a dime of federal income tax on that money. The money they send represents far more than the family could earn in Mexico and certainly helps to erase the Mexican federal deficit. The Mexican government is not about to try to stop illegal immigration….. it’s a windfall for them. Meanwhile, we pay all of their bills. Such a deal for these “poor loyal, melting pot immigrants”. Many countries won’t even let you into their countries, for any extended period of time, unless you can support yourself and have some skill that the country needs. The liberals would call this discrimination while most would just call it good common sense.

TaxPayer

May 17th, 2012
8:43 am

Oh No! Tell me it ain’t so! Immigrants are taking over the USA. Oh well. Maybe this new batch will do a better job of taking care of the masses once the current batch of aging white males die out.

(ir)Rational

May 17th, 2012
8:43 am

Bro – Plausible deniability is a good thing sometimes.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 17th, 2012
8:44 am

“Population estimates show that 50.4 percent of children younger than 1 last year were Hispanic, black, Asian American or in other minority groups”

culinarily speaking, that’s a great thing for the country!

banish beige food!!

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 17th, 2012
8:44 am

More specifically according to http://www.childtrends.org…http://www.childtrends.org…having immigrant parents is associated with higher prevalency of children born into poor families..

I don’t understand the reason why illegal immmigrants are allowed to drain our system….unenforced laws and the the politics of getting votes…our underperforming government will be the end of us all…

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 17th, 2012
8:45 am

Hi (ir)! Hi Bro! Taxi … Finneus … rest of the Bookmaniacs!!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 17th, 2012
8:45 am

“Eventually, when the economy returns, we’re going to get more immigrants”

As long as they are legal …….. no problem.

“At our best, we Americans have never defined this country by its skin tone or by the ethnic origin of its citizenry. We have and will continue to be something greater than that.”

At “it’s best” true ………… but dangerous political and violent fanatical religious immigrants WILL cause us to no longer be great.

Do we have the WISDOM to prevent that from happening? I doubt it

Junior Samples

May 17th, 2012
8:46 am

Hot Dang! I’m in a minority class. Let the entitlements begin.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 17th, 2012
8:46 am

K71

Is the fact that you are so very often a day late and a dollar short the reason for your anger and hate?

“BOSTON — Records show that the leading Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts identified her race as “white” on an employment record at the University of Texas and declined to apply for admission to Rutgers Law School under a program for minority students.

The records on Elizabeth Warren were obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday. Warren’s heritage has been under scrutiny after it surfaced that she had listed herself as having Native American heritage in law school directories.”

From AP

TaxPayer

May 17th, 2012
8:47 am

Hola, USinUK.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 17th, 2012
8:47 am

without paying a dime of federal income tax on that money.

It’s a tax cut. I thought you cons were all about cutting taxes???? Ya’ll just for tax cuts for white peoples?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 17th, 2012
8:47 am

P.S.

Assimilation must be part of the equation also. That is failing.

Adam

May 17th, 2012
8:48 am

Scout: As long as they are legal …….. no problem.

Sure. After all, legal immigrants learn more than most Americans about American history, the Constitution, the fact that we are NOT a Christian nation, etc etc. We could use more people actually educated in what it REALLY means to be an American.

godless heathen

May 17th, 2012
8:49 am

I’ll amend “rarely” to my post.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 17th, 2012
8:49 am

Oh and

This Irish/Swedish American proudly celebrates St. Paddys Day, Santa Lucia Day and the 4th of July.

The Fresh Prince of BIll Ayers

May 17th, 2012
8:50 am

For the first time in U.S. history, most of the nation’s babies are members of minority groups, according to new census figures that signal the dawn of an era in which whites no longer will be in the majority.

Awesome! We have immigrant’s kids to fund social security for a majority of white people retiring in the near future. Aint whiteness grand? Bwaaahaaahaaa

(ir)Rational

May 17th, 2012
8:50 am

Mornin (well afternoon) USinUK.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 17th, 2012
8:51 am

USinUK,
Good morning/afternoon.

Hey, where is your blog post on how to make perfect fish and chips?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 17th, 2012
8:51 am

“Assimilation must be part of the equation also. That is failing.”

Resistance is Futile…..Thomas Jefferborg.

kayaker 71

May 17th, 2012
8:51 am

Meanwhile, our Head Narcissist in Charge, has taken it upon himself to edit Presidential Profiles from Coolidge to Reagan, injecting himself, complete with picture, to show his “greatness”. I agree with Rush….. this jerk should marry himself.

ty webb

May 17th, 2012
8:51 am

I routinely celebrate my heritage daily by not jumping high and by not dancing well.

Brosephus™

May 17th, 2012
8:52 am

(ir)Rational

I always keep that particular card in my back pocket for emergencies.

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Afternoon USinner!!!! ;)

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Many countries won’t even let you into their countries, for any extended period of time, unless you can support yourself and have some skill that the country needs.

LOL!!!!! You can always flash a US Passport and none of that other stuff really matters then. Obviously, you don’t do much international travel.

godless heathen

May 17th, 2012
8:52 am

TP: Oh No! Tell me it ain’t so! Immigrants are taking over the USA. Oh well. Maybe this new batch will do a better job of taking care of the masses once the current batch of aging white males die out.

Because their homelands have such a rich tradition of doing just that.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 17th, 2012
8:53 am

“Hey, where is your blog post on how to make perfect fish and chips?”

:lol:

you don’t MAKE it … you go down to your local chippy and BUY it

Adam

May 17th, 2012
8:53 am

godless: Some of them still have enough discipline to not spout their real feelings here. But then again, some just can’t help themselves.

But let’s be honest, when people say “self deportation” and insist on super-over-enforcement of illegal immigration laws, up to and including profiling to get them, WHY?

What is the point? What are you protecting? Why are you demonizing people, really? I want to know.

willie lynch

May 17th, 2012
8:54 am

It is interesting that some would see any acknowledgment of these facts as a sign of hate. This is the reason we will continue to see resistance to an all inclusive America. Some just don’t want it.

kayaker 71

May 17th, 2012
8:57 am

Brocephus, 8:52,

Concentrate now. It’s not difficult. Try to get a long term visa in Switzerland, New Zealand, Australia, the UK, Germany, Spain, even Italy without showing that you can support yourself and have some value to their country as an immigrant. Never happen.

Jay

May 17th, 2012
9:00 am

In other words, kayaker, you prefer the European approach to the American approach.

Recon 0311 2533

May 17th, 2012
9:00 am

“So, Chinatown appeared in New York, San Francisco, and other cities only recently? St. Patrick’s Day has only been celebrated in cities like Boston and Savannah for about the past 20 – 30 years? New Orleans and Mobile have only recently adopted Mardi Gras celebrations?”

Bro, not a good counter argument and in your line of work I’m surprised you disagree but we’re entitled to our opinions. I was once in the I.T. professional services business so I’m speaking from that observation along with being a close follower of current events.

JKL2

May 17th, 2012
9:00 am

-To them, an America in which that is no longer true is a diminished America.

The problem I see is that we are no longer the great melting pot. People used to come to this country because they wanted to become Americans. Now we have this giant illegal immigrant population that could care less about our country. They have no inclination to speak english, follow our laws, or become citizens. They leech off our system for awhile, then go back home until it’s time to do it again.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 17th, 2012
9:00 am

“Try to get a long term visa in Switzerland, New Zealand, Australia, the UK, Germany, Spain, even Italy without showing that you can support yourself and have some value to their country as an immigrant”

try to get a long-term visa in the US if you’re from the UK, or any of the other first-world countries in Europe … next to impossible.

stands for decibels

May 17th, 2012
9:00 am

Adam @ 8.26, that Cracked piece is a brilliant update to Lies My Teacher Told Me.

Thanks.