Will Romney help to fight ‘prairie fire of debt’?

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“When the men and women who settled the Iowa prairie saw a fire in the distance, they didn’t look around for someone else to save them or go back to sleep hoping the wind might blow another direction. They knew that their survival was up to them. A prairie fire of debt is sweeping across Iowa and our nation and every day we fail to act that fire gets closer to the homes and children we love.”

– Mitt Romney, campaigning in Iowa Tuesday

So I have a few questions:

Would Mitt Romney — he with $250 million in estimated wealth, the $100 million trust fund set aside for his sons and the $21 million in investment income last year alone — accept paying higher taxes as just PART of a larger national effort to stop this “prairie fire of debt” that threatens our nation’s survival?

Of course, nobody expects them to stop the fire on their own. They’re going to need a lot of help, and government spending is of course going to have to be cut. But given the apparent severity of this crisis, surely the most affluent — patriotic Americans such as Romney who are paying a smaller percentage of their income in taxes than many of their fellow citizens — should be willing to pitch in and help.

Or would that be too much to ask?

Yes, I know I’m being impertinent. I know that we’re not supposed to talk about such things in public. But still — is this prairie fire a problem that the poor and middle class are going to have to handle on their own, through increased sacrifice and adversity, while Romney and others cheer them on from the rear?

For example, we already know that health insurance for poor children, nutrition support for low-income families and tuition aid for college students as well as many other programs are being targeted by Republicans for cutbacks. Those vulnerable populations are going to be forced to “take a haircut” on this deal, as Romney and his friends in the investment community like to put it.

But is this sacrifice going to be shared, and if so how? What exactly do Romney and others in his tax bracket intend to contribute to this fight? Given the gravity of the situation, would a return to the tax rates paid during the Clinton administration be too outlandish a request of our most prosperous citizens?

It would?

OK then, how about this:

With the United States already spending 50 percent more on its military than the next nine nations combined, Romney has promised to increase defense spending significantly and add 100,000 active-duty personnel should he take office.

Won’t that just add fuel to “this debt and spending inferno” as it draws “closer to the homes and children we love”? Or is there some kind of magic by which defense spending adds nothing to the inferno, while Medicare and Social Security do?

Or am I missing something?

– Jay Bookman

398 comments Add your comment

Brosephus™

May 16th, 2012
9:02 am

Romney obviously doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. Either that, or he things the average American is completely clueless. He’s gonna Etch-A-Sketch this entire campaign season. At one point, I thought he would have been a decent candidate. Now, I know what it means to build your house on quicksand, and that’s what the GOP has done.

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
9:03 am

The rhetoric SCREAMS about the deficit apocalypse and the policy exacerbates the deficit…

And the Tea Party laps it up…

ty webb

May 16th, 2012
9:03 am

“patriotic Americans such as Romney who are paying a smaller percentage of their income in taxes than many of their fellow citizens — should be willing to pitch in and help”

actually Romney is paying a higher effective rate than MOST(I usually don’t all caps for emphasis, but this one time, it’s warranted) of his fellow citizens.

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
9:06 am

‘am I missing something?’

Yes, you are missing the cognitive disconnect necessary to listen to this crap and swallow it hook, line and sinker…

Junior Samples

May 16th, 2012
9:06 am

Oh Jay, you know defense spending doesn’t count…

ty webb

May 16th, 2012
9:06 am

“…or he things(sic) the average American is completely clueless.”

he’d be right, if he thought that.

Normal Free...And liking it!

May 16th, 2012
9:07 am

I’ll agree that Mitt IS clueless, but he is also typical “Rich Guy”. He has no empathy for those beneath his class. Let the working class eat cake, let the working class’s children fight wars,
let the working class make all the sacrifice. He doesn’t care a long as he and his kind keep theirs. Put out a fire? Hell, he wouldn’t even lend you a hose…

Thomas Heyward Jr.

May 16th, 2012
9:11 am

John Kerry Jr aka Romney will use your wealth to fight the prairie fire.
Ditto Obama aka Bush the third.
.
Its what statists do.
.
The funny thing is……..the prairie fire is only threatening their dreams.
Not ours.
Except if you are a Romney/Obama supporter.
In that case………..you should be prepared to sacrifice.

JamVet

May 16th, 2012
9:11 am

Simply put, Mitt Romney is a very dangerous man to all working class American families, in the worst tradition of Ronald Reagan, William Clinton and George W. Bush.

If you value the lives and futures of your children and grandchildren, I say forcefully to not vote for him or the other members of these criminal cults, because as Jay notes, they will have NO part in ANY shared sacrifice.

They never have and they never will.

But YOU AND I will have a HUGE part in that sacrifice.

As we always have and always will…

TaxPayer

May 16th, 2012
9:12 am

After reviewing Romney’s speech on the debt, I found it lacking only one small item — facts. Damn! Romney really IS a Republican.

Paul

May 16th, 2012
9:13 am

“is there some kind of magic by which defense spending adds nothing to the inferno, while Medicare and Social Security do? ”

Magic. That’s gotta be it. Republicans believe in magic.

There will be stand-alone explanations about why Medicare needs to be cut and Defense increased. But it’s the same mindset that rules the current budget process: items are looked at in isolation from everything else and there isn’t an integrated view. So they can blithely dismiss Medicare cuts with ‘too expensive” and call for higher Defense spending with “we need to be stronger.”

From below:

here is just so much I do not understand.

Like how the conservative House Republicans can be for reduced government spending, abiding by deficit reduction plans, against earmarks, against special interest spending and against stimulus-like spending

Yet they pass a Defense Authorization Bill that adds $8 Billion to what the military has asked for, keeps the military from retiring old aircraft they don’t need, forces them to keep using weapons that are more expensive that others, forces them to build a new installation the military says is unnecessary…. and it goes on and on?

So House Republicans are adding $8 billion to keep and create jobs and spend money on stuff we don’t need and they promise to spend 15 times that amount if they take the White House?

I’m all ears and ready to be educated.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/05/15/3962982/white-house-threatens-veto-of.html

Brosephus™

May 16th, 2012
9:14 am

Will Romney help to fight ‘prairie fire of debt’?

To answer your question, he’ll probably co-sign what the GOP members of Congress are already trying to push. Their goals is to extract more and more from fed employees until there’s nothing left. If you wanna talk about fighting the debt, Congress has already put fed employees on the line for at least $75 Billion over the next 10 years. At the same time, they haven’t put themselves on the line for a single penny. I don’t usually get into the “class warfare”, but when you’re taking from those in the middle class while leaving the upper class alone, that reeks of targeting.

I don’t think Romney has the spine to stand up to the far-right if he’s elected. I don’t see how his policies would differ from those amongst the most extreme in his party. If he can’t stand up to his own party in the selection of campaign staffers, how will he find the testicular fortitude to stand up for something even more important?

ty

Thanks for catching my spelling error.. :oops: However, I’d disagree in that the average American is not clueless. I’d go with disinterested or disconnected.

Gm

May 16th, 2012
9:15 am

How in the world can middle class conservatives and lower class conservative vote for this rich prink? and really think he cares about there interest and concerns as regular Americans.

If this man is elected he will destroy middle class America, while his rich CEO friends will rake in millions off the sweat of the working people, conservatives can not be this stupid”””

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
9:15 am

Remove the Bush tax cuts, two unfunded and horribly executed wars and the big investment banks gambling our economy (and losing) and we are in good shape.

Pity that the policy that led to these debacles is conveniently forgotten by the GOP.

Sick, misguided and/or fools…

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
9:16 am

-“When the men and women who settled the Iowa prairie saw a fire in the distance, they didn’t look around for someone else to save them or go back to sleep hoping the wind might blow another direction.

So they were obviously Republicans.

Mr. Snarky

May 16th, 2012
9:17 am

Jay, don’t you know that defense spending doesn’t count? Clearly you haven’t been keeping up with the repub talking points.

Junior Samples

May 16th, 2012
9:18 am

But, if they are so gung ho about spending on the military, then how about changing how it’s being spent? It’s known that the military is one of the leading players in alternative fuels. Even they don’t want to be hampered by their fuel being sourced from the countries that want to do us harm. So how about we bring our soldiers home, and put more of them to work on research in this arena?

It’s still under the name of national defense. If we no longer need to meddle in oil producing countries that don’t like us, we can leave them alone and do more to protect our shores, and innovate newer technologies to propel us into a more prosperous nation.

Mr. Snarky

May 16th, 2012
9:19 am

Left out from the speech: “and by ‘We’, of course, I mean ‘you’”

Soothsayer

May 16th, 2012
9:19 am

Jay, your mistake is trying to apply logic to politics during an election year.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
9:20 am

“Left out from the speech: “and by ‘We’, of course, I mean ‘you’””

yeppers.

the Mittens Romney Presidency … Ask not what your country can do for you … ask what you can do for me.

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
9:21 am

Paul

May 16th, 2012
9:21 am

Morning, Brosephus

“Romney obviously doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about.”

There was an interesting exchange on the Morning Joe show on MSNBC a few days back. It was mostly the liberal contributors who got consensus on the idea Romney’s more a pragmatist, doesn’t have an overriding core that drives everything. So he comes into the primaries needing to prove himself and out-con the conservatives, which leads to his very questionable pronouncements like “Russia’s our biggest threat.” They then spoke about how he’s more in the Jimmy Carter mold (an interesting comparison, yes?) in that he’s data-driven, sees a problem and looks for the most pragmatic solution. Pretty much concluded by saying we’re looking at one Romney on the campaign trail and would very likely see, based upon Bain and the Olympics and Massachusetts, quite another Romney.

Part of the discussion too, was which group holds the most influence over him? Thought there was an inner circle and an inner-inner circle. Would he be co-opted by the neocons who Cheney adopted? Or not? Because now they can’t really tell who he’s listening to for anything other than what to say sat the next campaign venue.

It was an interesting perspective.

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
9:22 am

Jay- accept paying higher taxes as just PART of a larger national effort to stop this “prairie fire of debt” that threatens our nation’s survival?

Can I get more inofrmation on your “wealth tax” program? I understand you’re all for redistribution of wealth. I’ve just never heard anything about this wealth tax.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 16th, 2012
9:22 am

based on what the Ryan budget does NOT do…and what is DOES do

looks to me like Romney is planning to fight fire with gasoline.

(Has anybody else noticed he isn’t the brightest bulb in the pack)

Brosephus™

May 16th, 2012
9:23 am

“So they were obviously Republicans survivalists.”

I seriously doubt that political affiliation came to mind when it was time for them to save their ass. That’s just my take. Some people could make the birth of Jesus Christ a political event… :roll:

saywhat?

May 16th, 2012
9:24 am

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
9:16 am
-“When the men and women who settled the Iowa prairie saw a fire in the distance, they didn’t look around for someone else to save them or go back to sleep hoping the wind might blow another direction.

“So they were obviously Republicans.”
——————————————————————–
Really? I must have missed the part where they go out and douse the fire with gasoline, then blame the poor for the increased damage..

Paul

May 16th, 2012
9:25 am

Junior Samples

“It’s known that the military is one of the leading players in alternative fuels. Even they don’t want to be hampered by their fuel being sourced from the countries that want to do us harm. So how about we bring our soldiers home, and put more of them to work on research in this arena? ”

The House Republican Defense Authorization Bill specifically restricts biofuels use.

Brosephus™

May 16th, 2012
9:25 am

Paul

That’s what worries me about Romney. If he’s elected due to influence from the far-Right, I don’t think he has the fight in him to not bend to their wishes as a return favor.

Common Sense

May 16th, 2012
9:26 am

“But is this sacrifice going to be shared, and if so how? What exactly do Romney and others in his tax bracket intend to contribute to this fight? ”

Why is it so difficult for you to say ALL brackets? Have you sworn some oath to only tax the wealthy?

Exactly how is this sacrifice shared under your constant demand from the wealthy.

And how exactly is it sacrifice to expect those that use the most to pay for what they use?

JF McNamara

May 16th, 2012
9:26 am

Jay,

He’s not only on record to increase the size of the military, he’s also on record that he will CUT taxes. That’s not water in his hands, It’s gasoline!

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
9:27 am

On a positive note…

I am actually relieved (to some extent) that we are having this discussion about Romney and not Cain, Bachmann, Gingrich, Perry, et al…

Common Sense

May 16th, 2012
9:30 am

When Bookman goes to dinner with friends, is the portion of the bill expected to be paid decided by % of income?

Paul

May 16th, 2012
9:30 am

Brosephus

Ironic, isn’t it?

While there are voters who may have misgivings about Romney based on what he’s said, they’ll vote for him because he isn’t Obama.

They’ll vote for Romney because they Hope he’ll Change.

gadem

May 16th, 2012
9:32 am

Yes Jay you are missing something. You are missing your tin foil hat and with your Bible in your right hand while you are draped in Old Glory. That is what makes you patriotic. Making sacrifices toward the national debt does not make you patriotic. Do as I say, not as I do…

gadem

May 16th, 2012
9:33 am

Common Sense you are equating dinner with the National Debt? I think we can all agree that that is a dumb analogy.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

May 16th, 2012
9:33 am

A Bain vulture capitalist lecturing on debt.

I swear, this campaign out to have a laugh track.
That no-gene-for-irony is gonna be the end of em.

Paul

May 16th, 2012
9:33 am

Common Sense

“And how exactly is it sacrifice to expect those that use the most to pay for what they use?”

So you’re advocating a new philosophy to direct our federal income tax system?

At no time has our income tax system been based on the principle “whoever uses the most pays the most.”

How would you compute that?

Would you say “We fought a couple of wars in Iran to keep the oil lanes open. The first entity this benefits is the private oil companies. Therefore, their corporate income tax rate should be increased to provide an additional one trillion dollars in revenue”?

JohnnyReb

May 16th, 2012
9:35 am

This one is a Moonbat pity party.

Even Bill Clinton has most recently stated taxing the rich won’t fix the problem and that Obama should be pushing entitlement cuts via Simpson-Bowles.

Why doesn’t he? Too stiff a medicine for his base, so he ignores it and divides the country as does this piece from Jay.

Mary Elizabeth

May 16th, 2012
9:35 am

We must never forget that ideological Republicans created the high deficit, to start with, in order to dismantle Social Security, Medicare, and other governmental programs – which have aided the working and middle classes in their upward mobility.

The “economic game” has been rigged against the middle/working classes for decades. Of course, Mitt Romney will not pay more in taxes. Of course, Republicans will not agree to go back to Clinton’s tax rates. The idea is to “starve the beast of government” in order to end the so-called “entitlements,” and that has been their game plan all along. The word “entitlement,” itself, has been used as a propaganda term, and many have bought into the negative connotations of that propaganda term, to their own detriment.

Watch this video clip regarding the differences between public morality and private morality, as seen through Romney’s eyes, as well as through the eyes of those who share his vision.

http://marketplayground.com/2012/05/15/robert-reich-mitt-romney-has-public-and-private-morality-upside-down-video/

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 16th, 2012
9:35 am

Adam

May 16th, 2012
9:35 am

Jay: Did you say you have questions for Mitt Romney? YOU’RE DIVISIVE! YOU’RE DISTRACTING FROM THE REAL ISSUES!

Just thought I’d get those ridiculous canned non-answer responses out of the way early.

Brosephus™

May 16th, 2012
9:36 am

They’ll vote for Romney because they Hope he’ll Change.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I pay close attention to what is said, but I pay even more attention to who the advisors are. You can kinda guess where a person’s going to go, as an elected official, when you know where the advice is coming from. This is one election where I see that most people will vote against the candidate they don’t want in office.

TaxPayer

May 16th, 2012
9:36 am

Okay. How many are in favor of extending the Bush tax cut that allows a couple filing a joint return and taking the standard deduction to make over $85,000 per year in qualifying dividends and capital gains while paying ZERO payroll or federal income taxes on it?

Now. How many think that people working minimum wage jobs and paying payroll taxes on every penny should have their future social security and Medicare benefits eliminated and their home mortgage deductions eliminated and their child tax credits eliminated, etc., so they can start to pay their fair share? Come on now. Don’t be shy.

Paul

May 16th, 2012
9:36 am

Common Sense

You going to exempt people from paying property taxes if they don’t have kids in school?

You going to exempt Person A from paying any Social Security or Medicare taxes because they don’t use either?

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
9:36 am

Any reason why we can’t take the following steps:

1. Allow tax rates to re-set to Pre – Bush levels across the board

2. Eliminate the EITC ( If you are below the poverty threshold, you get to keep 100% of your income, but you DO NOT get a tax return for taxes not paid)

3.Cut 10% from ALL Federal spending

Or, does that not make enough sense?

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
9:36 am

Paul- So House Republicans are adding $8 billion to keep and create jobs

$8B for 100k jobs sounds like a bargain since obama spent $1 trillion and has nothing to show for it.

Now back to the Democrat’s debt reduction program…

bwahahahahahahaha

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
9:37 am

‘This one is a Moonbat pity party.’

Well, then…do you think Romney’s ‘plan’ (sans details) will lower the deficit?

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
9:37 am

“Some people could make the birth of Jesus Christ a political event…”

um.

I think you’ve missed the memo …

some people already HAVE …

JamVet

May 16th, 2012
9:37 am

JKL2, you have never even been to Iowa, have you?

You know NOTHING about the people, history or culture there.

But like a typical fake conservative, you write as if you do have a clue.

Adam

May 16th, 2012
9:37 am

Jay: Am I missing something?

I don’t think you’re missing this, but you forgot to mention that Republicans don’t ACTUALLY care about the debt. They want to spend on what they want to spend on, and cut everything else. Period. Talking about the debt is the real distraction – a distraction from their actual policy history and goals.

rightwing troll

May 16th, 2012
9:38 am

“Keep your government hands off my Medicare!”

- Some idiot at a Tea bagging rally

Paul

May 16th, 2012
9:38 am

St Simons

“A Bain vulture capitalist lecturing on debt.:

Careful. Couple nights ago Pres Obama was having dinner at the home of the head of Blackstone – a private equity firm twice the size of Bain. Bunch of other venture capitalists were there. Pres Obama wasn’t there just to eat – he wanted their $$$$ and he got them.

JohnnyReb

May 16th, 2012
9:39 am

“…do you think Romney’s ‘plan’ (sans details) will lower the deficit?”

I sure hope so. We know Obama’s doesn’t.

rightwing troll

May 16th, 2012
9:39 am

“Deficits don’t matter”
-Darth Cheney

Adam

May 16th, 2012
9:40 am

They’ll vote for Romney because they Hope he’ll Change.

Now THAT makes my month :D

rightwing troll

May 16th, 2012
9:40 am

“Go F$%k yourself”
-Darth Cheney

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
9:40 am

Gm- vote for this rich prink? and really think he cares about there interest and concerns as regular Americans.

obama says,”What?”

MoveOn.ogr, nothing to see here…

TaxPayer

May 16th, 2012
9:41 am

$8B for 100k jobs sounds like a bargain since obama spent $1 trillion and has nothing to show for it.

And JKL2’s “facts” must come from the same source and Mitt’s. :roll:

rightwing troll

May 16th, 2012
9:41 am

“I’m not worried about the poor”
-Mittens

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 16th, 2012
9:41 am

1) “Yes, I know I’m being impertinent.”

No ………….. you are being totally biased.

2) “With the United States already spending 50 percent more on its military than the next nine nations combined, Romney has promised to increase defense spending significantly and add 100,000 active-duty personnel should he take office.

Won’t that just add fuel to “this debt and spending inferno” as it draws “closer to the homes and children we love”? Or is there some kind of magic by which defense spending adds nothing to the inferno, while Medicare and Social Security do?”

The “magic” will be ending a couple of Cabinet Level Departments !

rightwing troll

May 16th, 2012
9:41 am

“I saved the American auto industry”
-Mittens

Adam

May 16th, 2012
9:42 am

JohnnyReb: “…do you think Romney’s ‘plan’ (sans details) will lower the deficit?”

I sure hope so

Mark JohnnyReb down as voting for “Hope.”

Joseph

May 16th, 2012
9:42 am

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
9:43 am

‘I sure hope so’

You can join Jessie in a chorus of, ‘Keep Hope Alive!’

Of course, you could use some elementary math, along with the analysis of several bipartisan economic groups and see that it won’t…

Adam

May 16th, 2012
9:43 am

The “magic” will be ending a couple of Cabinet Level Departments !

Yeah… that’ll take care of over 100k additional servicepeople’s salaries and associated costs….

Paul

May 16th, 2012
9:43 am

JKL2

“$8B for 100k jobs sounds like a bargain since obama spent $1 trillion and has nothing to show for it. ”

Your logic is.as impressive as is your command of the facts.

Joseph

May 16th, 2012
9:44 am

The dems and their leaders show the most obvious hate…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYwkNCwADzQ&feature=youtu.be

rightwing troll

May 16th, 2012
9:44 am

“The “magic” will be ending a couple of Cabinet Level Departments !”

That’s called an offset, a wash, a zero sum.

If we are to offset the expected savings from closing a couple Cabinet Level Departments by increasing Military spending, where is the deficit reduction?

Mitt Zombie

May 16th, 2012
9:44 am

I love it when conservatives state that raising taxes alone will not fix the debt so let’s move on, and then in the next conversation they get wrapped around the axle on minor items like Acorn, National Endowment of the Arts, and Public Broadcasting.

Jay clearly stated that other changes, including cuts would be necessary, but we clearly can’t support the government infrastructure a majority of Americans desire at our current tax rates.

Brosephus™

May 16th, 2012
9:44 am

USinner

My courier service got cancelled, so I haven’t received a memo in a while. They cut my service to pay for those damned pelican scrubbers….. :mad:

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
9:45 am

rightwing troll – ““I saved the American auto industry”
-Mittens”

You missed the rest of the qoute – “I saved the American auto industry…by doing nothing, staying out of the way and letting the people in charge who actually had the information needed to make critical decisions take care of the problem, thereby allowing the industry to survive.”

Yay Mitt, what a leader! :)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 16th, 2012
9:45 am

P.S.

Yesterday Jay you posted a plane that wasn’t a “fighter” aircraft.

The above is not a “prairie fire”. Look at all the trees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prairie

Joseph

May 16th, 2012
9:47 am

Joseph

May 16th, 2012
9:48 am

Look at the beating Obama will take in NC… Thanks for coming out of closet Pres… You made your defeat so much easier…http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/north_carolina/election_2012_north_carolina_president

TaxPayer

May 16th, 2012
9:49 am

The fed should cut the portion of that 105 billion in education spending that was directed toward Republicans. It clearly was wasted. They cannot even do math!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 16th, 2012
9:49 am

Adam:

If a Department is unnecessary or duplicious …………… that’s what needs to be done.

rightwing troll:

It will help ! “For 2006, the ED discretionary budget was $56 billion and the mandatory budget contained $23.4 billion. As of 2011, the discretionary budget is $69.9 billion.”

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
9:50 am

“They cut my service to pay for those damned pelican scrubbers….”

DAMN!!!

“The above is not a “prairie fire”. Look at all the trees.”

talk about missing the forest for the …

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
9:50 am

mary elizabeth- Of course, Mitt Romney will not pay more in taxes

Since you missed it from last night, I’ll give you a replay. Here’s a fine example of one of your liberal 1%’s reaction to the liberal utopia becoming a reality: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/see-will-smiths-shocked-reaction-to-frances-proposed-75-tax-rate-after-just-advocating-for-higher-taxes-in-u-s/

Be careful what you wish for…

Joseph

May 16th, 2012
9:50 am

Junior Samples

May 16th, 2012
9:51 am

Paul,

I know, right? The House Republican Defense Authorization Bill specifically restricts biofuels under the guise of “it’s too expensive (at the moment)”. The Navy wants to pilot a program to see if biofuels might work for an entire fleet, and congress folds under the pressure of oil lobbyists.
And that’s keeping us safe… Well, it’s keeping the oil companies safe, but they’re not concerned about our safety, only their profit margins and our subsidies.

So what costs more? Running a fleet on biofuel, or protecting the oil companies supply from those same countries that we’re fighting? Brilliant…

Common Sense

May 16th, 2012
9:51 am

Gadem,

Agree with what you want. Singling out individuals to pay for national debt accumulated on everyone’s behalf has NEVER been agreed to in these United States.

Your unwillingness to pay your share is not my responsibility.

Nor is it Romney’s.

rightwing troll

May 16th, 2012
9:51 am

Scout,
As some of you chest pounders here like to point out when presented with the perceived boost in revenue that might come from a marginal increase in the top tax rate… “chump change”…

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 16th, 2012
9:52 am

Let’s look at the bookends of the last Republican administration: 9/11 and financial meltdown.

Yeah we need to elect another Republican in the White House.

Mitt Zombie

May 16th, 2012
9:53 am

Conservative straw man alert!!!!!!!……Use Will Smith’s hesitancy to endorse France’s 75% tax rates to argue against moving US top rate from 35% to 39.5%.

stands for decibels

May 16th, 2012
9:53 am

Republicans don’t ACTUALLY care about the debt.

They care enough about it to pretend that it’s all the half-Negro’s doing.

Think I’m kidding? Here’s Mittens, just yesterday:

“America counted on President Obama to rescue the economy, tame the deficit and help create jobs. Instead, he bailed out the public sector, gave billions of your dollars to the companies of his friends, and added almost as much debt as all the prior presidents combined.”

rightwing troll

May 16th, 2012
9:53 am

So… ahhhh… I missed something. Where and when has ANYBODY proposed an increase of the top tax rates to 75% here in the USA?

Recon 0311 2533

May 16th, 2012
9:54 am

This left wing rhetoric won’t change Obama’s dismal record on the economy and our growing debt crises. And yes these will be campaign issues, it can be counted on. BTW…with Romney out ahead on who voters trust most to fix the economy by 10 percentage points, Obama and his campaign managers better come with far better plans than lets make wealthy American’s pay more income tax.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

May 16th, 2012
9:54 am

i will give jay credit for changing some verbage in his spin
he said “as well as many other programs are being targeted by Republicans for cutbacks”

key word CUTBACKS instead of cuts

jay, you are almost there with truth

democrats call are the only ones who can call an increase in spending a CUT………. what they dont

for example
spend $1 this year
plan to spend $1.25 next year
but then only spend $1.20 next year

democrats call that a cut when in actuality you have increased spending $.20
they call a increase a cut

fuzzy math

Generation$crewed

May 16th, 2012
9:54 am

Lord Help Us
May 16th, 2012
9:37 am

Better question: Has Obama’s policies increased or decreased the deficit?

But, but but……

Odd how some speak with apparent certainty about what one person would do, yet apparently ignore what another person has and continues to do.

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
9:55 am

‘So… ahhhh… I missed something. Where and when has ANYBODY proposed an increase of the top tax rates to 75% here in the USA?’

It’s ‘EuroCreep’…similar to ‘ShariaCreep’ and equally as stupid…

godless heathen

May 16th, 2012
9:56 am

“If this man is elected he will destroy middle class America, while his rich CEO friends will rake in millions off the sweat of the working people, conservatives can not be this stupid”””

OMFG. Looks like the CEOs been doing pretty well under the current administration.

Erwin's cat

May 16th, 2012
9:57 am

All conjecture about what Mitt might or might not do…let’s talk about what has already been done or not done and by who before we start to imagine what the next president elect :D might do

detritusUSA

May 16th, 2012
9:57 am

No, the average American voter is not clueless or disinterested. We know what the issues are and what the candidates stand for. However, we have also learned that no matter who we vote for, nothing changes for us. The rich get richer, and we continue to get poorer.

I’ve read that members of the old Whig party referred to the great mass of Americans as “the beast”. It must have been true because most of us Americans are now being treated like a beast, useless and dangerous.

Republicans have historically been the party of the wealthy. Modern republicans are worse than their ancestors, just truly evil, and their conservative supporters are little better.

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
9:57 am

‘Better question: Has Obama’s policies increased or decreased the deficit?’

Actually a slight increase over the policies (ie. tax cuts, wars) that were in place when he took office…

Paul

May 16th, 2012
9:58 am

Scout

“Yesterday Jay you posted a plane that wasn’t a “fighter” aircraft.”

I know you’ve spent a lot of time in a foxhole so you have this overarching perspective of how other services use the term ‘fighter”…

but referring to a two-person single or twin-engine aircraft used in an attack role to kill the enemy as a ‘fighter’ and those who fly them as ‘fighter pilots’ is the norm.

If you don’t believe me, just go to a gathering of ex-A-6 drivers or F-111 drivers and loudly tell them they aren’t ‘real’ fighter pilots.

Better have your foxhole close by -

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
9:58 am

Finn McCool – “Let’s look at the bookends of the last Republican administration: 9/11 and financial meltdown.”

Hey now, it wasn’t all bad. Afterall, we did have low unemployment and inflated housing costs due to shady financing and peoples ability to use their home as an ATM which in turn allowed the U.S. and much of the world to make questionable investments that weren’t even worth the paper they were written on.

Who wouldn’t want to go back to that? :)

curious

May 16th, 2012
9:58 am

Nobody, left or right, willing to sacrifice/contribute anything to solve this problem except “let the other side contribute”

We aren’t going to get there from here.

Hello, Greece.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 16th, 2012
9:58 am

Ooops! How’s that gay marriage thing going El Jeffe ?

Headline: “POLL: NORTH CAROLINA: ROMNEY 51%, OBAMA 43%”

rightwing troll

May 16th, 2012
9:58 am

Scout,
That’s not to say we can’t eliminate a couple Cabinet Level departments… but as military brat who never went to a school for more than 3 years, I firmly believe the Dept of ED is necessary, bloated and top heavy to be sure. In the way of teaching and teachers, absolutely. Too many career admins and not enough quality teachers, for sure. But a national set of standards are more important than ever in our mobile society…

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
9:59 am

My question, and I know I’ll just get, as they have been called by some here, canned non-response responses in answer, but I’ll ask anyway is: why should the people that have made their fortunes, typically risked everything in the process of making them, willingly give up a larger portion of their income/wealth when the people they’re giving the money to can’t seem to stop spending it more quickly than they’re able to collect it?

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 16th, 2012
9:59 am

We’re winding down two wars, why do we need to spend MORE money?

Republican logic is half-baked at best.

ty webb

May 16th, 2012
9:59 am

“Republicans have historically been the party of the wealthy. Modern republicans are worse than their ancestors, just truly evil, and their conservative supporters are little better.”

someone’s education was severely cut.

Doggone/GA

May 16th, 2012
10:00 am

“I sure hope so”

So you’re going to vote for hope and change?

Jack

May 16th, 2012
10:00 am

Seems I heard this song before: it’s rich peoples’ fault. It’s their fault because it ain’t “fair” they have stuff that other people don’t. And since it ain’t fair, we need to tax them more and give it to parasites. Same old song.

JamVet

May 16th, 2012
10:00 am

Good Bowie tune, DDR…

Given the gravity of the situation, would a return to the tax rates paid during the Clinton administration be too outlandish a request of our most prosperous citizens?

I’m sure that I just overlooked the thoughtful responses and specific explanations why or why not by Joseph, JKL2, Scout and JohnnyReb.

Would someone please point them out for me?

(I know I’m not a real Jew and am in fact an anti-Semite, but I do dig this Hebrew singer. Shades of Bob Marley.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXi9NwAcQSM

DwayneL

May 16th, 2012
10:00 am

We have more threats against this country now more than ever and cutting defense would be suicide!

stands for decibels

May 16th, 2012
10:00 am

You know what this thread needs? More deflecto-posts from right wingers about this or that poll they learned about from Drudge.

Common Sense

May 16th, 2012
10:01 am

“America counted on President Obama to rescue the economy, tame the deficit and help create jobs.”

Well, let’s be honest. More than a third of America knew his strategy was utter BS and was destined to blow the budget deficit to the sky with nothing to show for it.

We were chastized and ridiculed for saying it would not work because history has shown us it never works.

We were called racists because of our view, despite the fact that his skin color did not matter. he could have been paler than Hillary, and his plans still would have failed.

Of course had it been Hillary, you would have said we wanted her to fail because she was female.

Keep scrambling for reasons as to why Obama has failed. It won’t matter in November 2012.

That a sitting President has to continue trying to launch class warfare as his reelection strategy shows just how little traction he has.

Continuing to demand more from the “wealthy” is wrong, and enough Americans know that to make a difference in the vote.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 16th, 2012
10:01 am

Finn McCool (The System Isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign):

China, Russia, Iran ……….. Northern California ……… to name a few.

JamVet

May 16th, 2012
10:01 am

Jack, any thoughtful responses and specific explanations as to why or why not vis a vis this question?

Given the gravity of the situation, would a return to the tax rates paid during the Clinton administration be too outlandish a request of our most prosperous citizens?

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
10:01 am

Finn – So 9/11 was Bush’s fault? Really?

F. Sinkwich

May 16th, 2012
10:02 am

People are waking up:

“Voters now trust likely Republican nominee Mitt Romney more than President Obama on all five issues regularly surveyed by Rasmussen Reports, especially when it comes to money. A new national telephone survey finds that 51% of Likely U.S. Voters trust Romney more than Obama when it comes the economy, while 39% trust the president more.”

Paul

May 16th, 2012
10:02 am

Junior Samples

“The Navy wants to pilot a program to see if biofuels might work for an entire fleet, and congress folds under the pressure of oil lobbyists.”

I’m not sure how much is Congress folding under lobbyists as it is these right-wing zealots who think it’s patriotic to give billions to Arab regimes don’t listen to anybody – lobbyists, scientists, military professionals, anybody – as much as they do to the ideological voices playing on radio and at rallies and in their heads.

Fred ™

May 16th, 2012
10:03 am

Normal Free…And liking it!

May 16th, 2012
9:07 am

I’ll agree that Mitt IS clueless, but he is also typical “Rich Guy”. He has no empathy for those beneath his class. Let the working class eat cake, let the working class’s children fight wars,
let the working class make all the sacrifice. He doesn’t care a long as he and his kind keep theirs. Put out a fire? Hell, he wouldn’t even lend you a hose…
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Come on now normal, let’s not go off the deep end with rhetoric.

Romney would RENT you a hose is you had the money. hell if there was enough profit in it, he’d even sell you one.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 16th, 2012
10:03 am

rightwing troll:

“Too many career admins and not enough quality teachers, for sure. But a national set of standards are more important than ever in our mobile society…”

The teachers are hired by the states/counties. The feds. should stay out of it.

A committee of five can come up with standards. It doesn’t take billions.

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 16th, 2012
10:04 am

I no longer pay school taxes in Cobb County, because after a particular age – 60 or 65, the county does not require it. One of the few perks of senior status.

stands for decibels

May 16th, 2012
10:05 am

almost forgot:

Will Romney help to fight ‘prairie fire of debt’?

No.

(This has been another edition of “Simple Answers to Simple Questions.”)

St Simons - he-ne-ha

May 16th, 2012
10:06 am

Paul, yes he is taking money from people who have done more
than any other group (besides the Republicans) to “fix the game”
of honest capitalism, and getting he is getting it for the Democrats.

Wow, he’s slicker than I thought. I may vote for him twice. He’s baaad

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
10:06 am

Scout – Besides that, if you look, most of the standards actually come from states like Texas. Since they have higher purchasing power with the textbook publishers, most other states adopt theirs to save on textbook costs. I would assume the same would also be true for places like New York and California. I do think that most of the country follows Texas on this one though.

rightwing troll

May 16th, 2012
10:06 am

So things are better now than they were 4 years ago when shrub handed over the keys, and we deem that a failure?

Based on that metric, how do you define W’s terms?

As well, 9/11 was NOT in any way a failure on W because?

Again using that metric, how can you only blame Obama for our economy? (or Oblama, or the gay Kenyan marxist, or whatever derogatory term you wish to use for the POTUS)

TaxPayer

May 16th, 2012
10:06 am

“America counted on President Obama to rescue the economy, tame the deficit and help create jobs.”

And President Obama has done a damn good job in spite of the Party of No’s ongoing efforts to push us over the cliff. Save yourselves, Republicans. Jump. By yourselves. I’ll be glad to monitor your fall for you though.

Junior Samples

May 16th, 2012
10:06 am

Paul,
The Navy needs something you can print on a ribbon or bumper sticker to bring the point home.
“Saving Americans by using less Oil”
Something like that.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 16th, 2012
10:07 am

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
10:08 am

Actually, I do feel sorry for Mitt. First Jimmy Carter endorses him and now GW. How many hits can one guy take? :)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

May 16th, 2012
10:08 am

(ir)Rational :

Thank you !!

Generation$crewed

May 16th, 2012
10:08 am

Lord Help Us
May 16th, 2012
9:57 am

So we can put you in the Obama took gas to the prarie fire. Some of his own, others cans of gas he picked up from the Bush’s?

Why are you in favor of voting for a 4th term of the Bush/Obama regime?

Please Send Three Dollars

May 16th, 2012
10:08 am

Has anyone else been reading the pleas from the Obama campaign for funds?

Can you smell the panic yet?

rightwing troll

May 16th, 2012
10:09 am

Sadly, No Child Left Behind was given to us by whom? A complete and utter failure by the way, as it forces teachers to teach to the test and forgo any sort of innovation or the search to find the best way to reach the group of students actually sitting in the class room in front of them.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

May 16th, 2012
10:10 am

the Republicans are nominating a Mormon loan-shark.
how appropriate.
Their VP nominee will obviously be the head of one of those title pawns.

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
10:11 am

jamvet- JKL2, you have never even been to Iowa, have you? You know NOTHING about the people, history or culture there.

Having grown up 40 miles away from the border and ridden my bicycle across the state 6 times, I think I have a pretty good idea. I would even venture to say I’ve seen more of Iowa than my home state of IL and 95% more than I have seen og GA. Here’s a picture of Pete blocking me out as I’m the guy behind Scott (the guy in the middle).http://ragbrai.com/2012/04/11/ride-right-safety-tip-3-the-right-communication/

Now tell me of your vast experience with Iowa since you know everything…

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
10:11 am

“It’s ‘EuroCreep’…similar to ‘ShariaCreep’ and equally as stupid…”

:lol:

well said

jm

May 16th, 2012
10:12 am

EVIL DEMOCRATS. behaving evilly :)

Dems rush into arms of super PACs

By JOHN BRESNAHAN, MANU RAJU and JAKE SHERMAN | 5/16/12 12:12 AM EDT

Reid is meeting with billionaires and union leaders in a scramble to raise money for Majority PAC.

godless heathen

May 16th, 2012
10:12 am

troll: “But a national set of standards are more important than ever in our mobile society…”

You did say bloated. 5,000 DofEd employees. I would say we need five (5) to establish a national set of standards.

Paul

May 16th, 2012
10:12 am

St Simons

I should have laid out my main point clearer.

I can see the private equity line of attack as effective for a couple of instances. But not as a centerpiece. Obama administration officials have said behind the scenes they are not making the case venture capitalists are bad, but that Romney’s claim that his experience as a venture capitalist does not by itself qualify him to be president.

If that’s the case, they need to refine their message and clearly lay out the why and by what other measures Romney isn’t the best choice. Otherwise they’ll keep muddling their message, like with that steel company ad that dealt with a company that closed two years after Romney ended his day to day involvement.

There’s been two venture-capitalist anti-Romney ads in the last week. In each instance, the Romney campaign had a pretty effective counterad ready to launch.

And if it’s the PACs who are running them, the same applies to them.

There are more effective lines of attack to be exploited, IMHO.

deegee

May 16th, 2012
10:13 am

Why do they pretend that the banks and financial institutions aren’t making big bucks underwriting and servicing our prairie fire of debt?

jm

May 16th, 2012
10:14 am

“It would?”

Which strawman said yes? Cause I don’t see one that did.

It ain't easy being green

May 16th, 2012
10:14 am

Great article.

Yet another reason I will vote for Obama again…and Cynthia McKinney.

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
10:14 am

‘Why are you in favor of voting for a 4th term of the Bush/Obama regime?’

Based on the context of what each inherited, I do not see the two ‘regimes’ as you see them. Bush inherited a budget surplus and a comparatively good economy, Obama inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression, record deficits, two unfunded wars, etc…

Did you forget these inconvenient facts?

Normal Free...And liking it!

May 16th, 2012
10:14 am

Sky Pilot Scout is certainly gleeful this morning, I see. I think he would pee his pants with joy if half the world ripped away and he could blame it on President Obama…oh well, just another run of the mill zealot… :roll:

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
10:15 am

St. Simons – “Their VP nominee will obviously be the head of one of those title pawns.”

Actually, if you follow the train of thought that Mitt will be a better President because he understands the economy and has actual “business” experience, then they should look at getting Madoff pardoned and added to the ticket as VP. Just look at the returns he was delivering to his investors back in the day. a Mitt/ Bernie ticket would be a Right Wingers wet dream. :)

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
10:17 am

“Has anyone else been reading the pleas from the Obama campaign for funds?”

noooooooooooooooo … a political campaign asking for donations???

ALERT THE MEDIA!!!

:roll:

Paul

May 16th, 2012
10:17 am

Scout

“Headline: “College Kids Become Victims of Obamacare”

Thanks El Jeffe !”

Are you gong to tell us if that Catholic school dropped objectionable coverage for staff like they did for students?

It’s a case of religious consistency, isn’t it?

Second question: aren’t students able to be carried on their parent’s policy, thanks to Obamacare?

Are you now against families taking care of their own?

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
10:19 am

“Second question: aren’t students able to be carried on their parent’s policy, thanks to Obamacare?

Are you now against families taking care of their own?”

now, now … don’t go confusing the boy with facts …

Paul

May 16th, 2012
10:19 am

St Simons

Your religious references cost credibility.

Just sayin’ -

Common Sense

May 16th, 2012
10:19 am

Jamie Dimon: New York Fed Member, JPM CEO, Frequent White House Visitor(at least 12 times) and holder of $1million of Barry’s assets.

That’s how Obama operates…..

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 16th, 2012
10:19 am

<icatholic-university-drops-student-health-insurance-cites-obamacare/

Likely due to poor management of budget items.

straitroad

May 16th, 2012
10:22 am

Good grief, what a bunch of whiners. Jay, negativity breeds more negativity and what you do only encourages folks such as these to moan and groan about what someone else has that they don’t. Go ahead and wallow in your pity party and see what it gets you.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 16th, 2012
10:22 am

I guess Jay is going to have to post how the polls in May (LOL) have already handed the white house to Romnay.

“Turn out the lights…..the party’s over…”

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
10:23 am

Common Sense – “Jamie Dimon: New York Fed Member, JPM CEO, Frequent White House Visitor(at least 12 times) and holder of $1million of Barry’s assets.

That’s how Obama operates…..”

Ken Lay, Former CEO of ENRON and close GW Bush friend and supporter.

That’s how Bush operated….. Oh wait, sounds like business as usual in the political world. What exactly was your point?

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
10:23 am

‘now, now … don’t go confusing the boy with facts …’

Poor guy, saw something that looked bad for Obama and regurgitated it reflexively…just to watch it get swatted out of the park. Fox News Sheep…

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
10:23 am

“Go ahead and wallow in your pity party and see what it gets you.”

I’m assuming you’re talking about the people who lost the last presidential election and have spent the last 3.5 years bitching and moaning about it …

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
10:24 am

straitroad – “only encourages folks such as these to moan and groan about what someone else has that they don’t.”

Wealthy people want EBT cards?

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
10:24 am

“just to watch it get swatted out of the park. Fox News Sheep…”

but … but … but … RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!!!

TaxPayer

May 16th, 2012
10:25 am

I found that you can learn much more about a state by just staying at a Holiday Inn there as opposed to riding a bicycle there.

DawgDad

May 16th, 2012
10:25 am

“For example, we already know that health insurance for poor children, nutrition support for low-income families and tuition aid for college students as well as many other programs are being targeted by Republicans for cutbacks. ”

Cry me a river. What was the last party to cut Medicare?

godless heathen

May 16th, 2012
10:25 am

“Second question: aren’t students able to be carried on their parent’s policy, thanks to Obamacare?”

A point that should be illustrated with a 20-something sucking on Mama’s teat like that magazine cover on attachment parenting.

ty webb

May 16th, 2012
10:26 am

“Wealthy people want EBT cards?”

whether they want them or not…they’re paying for them.

Talking Head

May 16th, 2012
10:27 am

The government is like the drunk on the corner of a gas station asking for money for ‘food’. No one wants to give the guy money because they know he’s going to buy more booze. This is how people feel towards the government, why should we all have to pay more in taxes so that the government can just go waste more and more?

If there were serious talks on the table to curb back spending significantly and in detail and not just generalities like we always get, then more people would be in favor of higher taxation.

Don’t expect any serious proposals anytime soon though, we’re in full campaign mode…only heated rhetoric will flow out of Washington.

getalife

May 16th, 2012
10:27 am

The gop will walk away again to give us our second downgrade.

The cowards can’t compromise or they lose their precious jobs.

They would welch on the debt instead.

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
10:27 am

ty webb – “whether they want them or not…they’re paying for them.”

Kind of like me not wanting kids but having to pay for other peoples children.

ty webb

May 16th, 2012
10:28 am

butch,
exactly like that.

barking frog

May 16th, 2012
10:28 am

Romney, if elected, will do
as well as the democrats
let him. Obama has done
as well as permitted by
republicans. The people
elect the stalemates and
have no one to blame but
themselves.

JamVet

May 16th, 2012
10:28 am

Can you smell the panic yet?

You mean like being constantly bombarded by phone call and mail for money from the GOP?

That kind of panic?

Are you new to this country?

Peter

May 16th, 2012
10:29 am

Jay Please it is the GOP…. time to start another War, cut taxes and go deeper into debt….

This IS the Republican way….. Because they love to kill and colonize for money, and screw anyone at home that doesn’t like it…. GOD says it is OK to Kill as a Republican.

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
10:29 am

Finn – I really would be curious to know exactly how 9/11 was Bush’s fault.

Everyone – why exactly should people like Romney give more of the money they earned to the government if the government can’t take care of the money the already collect? If a pipe bursts and floods your basement, what is the first thing you do? Using buckets to try and empty the water out, or shut off the water so it stops filling up the basement more quickly than you can empty it? Personally, I would think you would want to shut the water off, then worry about starting to clean up, but that could just be me.

Jm

May 16th, 2012
10:29 am

Of note

Jay leaves out the best solutionto reducing the deficit: reducing deductions and credits

Generation$crewed

May 16th, 2012
10:30 am

Lord Help Us
May 16th, 2012
10:14 am

I would imagine 9/11 did change the Bush Presidency from the one he inherited. But you can choose to blame Bush for 9/11 if you choose.

If the entire economic picture was inherited by Obama, then why has he not passed legislation to eliminate some of those practices by Bush that caused the collapse. ( Would you please show us all which Bush programs that led to collapse that Obama has ended)

Obama has not significantly changed the way business was being done. He changed some of the people or groups getting special treatment financially by the government. But seriously what has he changed.

If you are arguing that Obama is making things better, and that he inherited this from Bush, in essance you are arguing in favor of Bush and his policies, since ain’t much changed!!

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
10:30 am

ty webb – “exactly like that.”

Well, since we don’t get to pick and choose how the tax money is spent, I guess the whole “punishing the rich to give to the parasites” is a moot point.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
10:31 am

“A point that should be illustrated with a 20-something sucking on Mama’s teat like that magazine cover on attachment parenting.”

ew. ew. ew. ew. ew. ew. ew.

would someone please pour bleach in my ear to get THAT mental image out of my head???

ty webb

May 16th, 2012
10:32 am

butch,
are you contributing the “parasites” quote to me…if so,that would be incorrect.

Jm

May 16th, 2012
10:32 am

Romney is right

The deficit is the biggest threat to this nation currently

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 16th, 2012
10:33 am

irational, did I say it was W’s fault? No. I said it was one bookend of the administration. You are trying to put words in my fingers.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
10:33 am

“Jay leaves out the best solutionto reducing the deficit: reducing deductions and credits”

ladies and gentlemen … I give you the one area in which Jm and I are in total agreement.

scary, isn’t it?

Veteran Observer

May 16th, 2012
10:34 am

Unlike the current resident of the White House, Mr. Romney brings executive and sound business experience to the office! When he is elected, there will finally be a thorough discussion of these matters with our strongest business leaders, not the Red Army of advisors from Berkeley, Cambridge, and other out of touch academic enclaves that our current president have invited in to destroy the middle class! Many of us pointed out during the last election his complete lack of competency(no bills passed in the Senate or the Illinois legislature), executive experience(a community organizer), and business background(has never held a job or worked as a leader)! The exciting thing about this is that every so often we need an incompetent president(see James Earl Carter) so that the country can come together and decide that we truly need a strong leader, with a proven track record of accomplishments! A president is not elected by the right or the left but by the middle and we will vote for Mr. Romney and support him strongly!!! He will work with Congress to create a budget and hopefully there will be a discussion of the flat tax or something like it, which means that EVERY American who earns a paycheck will pay something and the government will be put on a balanced budget! We should all pay the same percentage of income and be equal as our Constitution says! If all Americans have skin in the game, they will become engaged and look at what the government spends and where it is spent!

Jm

May 16th, 2012
10:34 am

Did bush spend 4 years blaming Clinton for 9/11

Nope

Obama is lame

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
10:35 am

Finn – The way you said it made it seem like it was somehow his fault. Or that we should blame him for it, or the republicans in general for it. I mean, if we’re looking at it as a bookend of his administration (which it obviously was), and you’re saying that we don’t need the republicans back in office because of what happened last time. I’m just asking you to defend that rationally.

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
10:35 am

ty webb – “butch,
are you contributing the “parasites” quote to me…if so,that would be incorrect.”

Nope, but you had followed up on my response to “straightroad”, so I was simply continuing the dialogue. Plus, I can’t count how many times on Jays blog I’ve seen someone post that the rich shouldnt have to pay for the moochers as if the wealthy were required to hand a bag of gold directly to someone living in public housing.

Common Sense

May 16th, 2012
10:35 am

Why are you demanding more from the wealthy only on the income tax front?

Why not sales tax? Property taxes? Tolls? School taxes? Permits? Licenses?

Is it that you just do not feel the technology is there to implement it? It is.

Wouldn’t you like to drive up to the 400 toll booth and know the guy next to you is paying ten times what you pay to use the same road? Or look over and see your neighbor waived through for free because they make less than you(you are soooo compassionate?

You could at least have a consistent message if you are going to engage in class warfare.

Jm

May 16th, 2012
10:35 am

Usinuk
Theres more we agree on than that

But we prefer to see differences

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
10:35 am

“Did bush spend 4 years blaming Clinton for 9/11

Nope”

you’re right … he spent 8

ByteMe - Political thug

May 16th, 2012
10:36 am

Anyone else see PBS last night with their program on Clinton?

One of the takeaways of the 1995 shutdown was that Clinton and his pollsters realized they couldn’t fight against deficit reduction, and that once they accepted that the deficit had to come down, then it was just fighting about “how” and Republicans wanted to kill Medicare/Medicaid but pollsters showed that was a losing position for them, so Clinton let them have that position… and went ahead and shut down the government over it. And won.

Obama may be too cerebral to pull that off, though.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
10:36 am

Jm – we probably do have some good music overlap … but politically??? our venn diagram barely speaks to each other ;-)

getalife

May 16th, 2012
10:37 am

The big cuts at the end of the year are coming.

The gop will play politics until then.

It was the plan all along.

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
10:37 am

‘But you can choose to blame Bush for 9/11 if you choose.’

Good Heavens, where did I say that?!?

’since ain’t much changed!!’

BS. Were were in recession, we are out…our economy was hemorrhaging hundreds of thousands of jobs per month, now we are slowly gaining jobs.

I credit this to the stimulus, the Auto Bailout, the winding down of two horribly mismanaged wars, etc…

I do not agree with a lot of this admin, but it has not made huge unforced errors of the Bush Admin (see above re: surplus to deficit, unfunded wars).

However, I do see Romney as a return to Bush policy. Is Romney your choice? Why?

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
10:38 am

paul- Second question: aren’t students able to be carried on their parent’s policy, thanks to Obamacare?

That goes back way farther than obamacare. I couldn’t tell you a date, but college students have been under their family’s policy for as long as I can remember.

stands for decibels

May 16th, 2012
10:38 am

Did bush spend 4 years blaming Clinton for 9/11

What? Blame Clinton for 9/11? Why that’d be crazy talk.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

May 16th, 2012
10:39 am

We need to find a happy medium of the 50 % not paying anything and the 50% paying it all. Democrats use entitlements for votes, and I’m all for helping people in need. But we have created a system of getting a raise from the government by putting more need on it, example, the more kids you have, the bigger the check. The latest scheme is to have kid after kid, give them to Grandma under the Foster care program, and it’s 500- 700 per kid. Throw in section eight housing, welfare checks, food stamps and all the free medical care an emergency room can give, and you have one big racket going. It’s real, it’s happening, and getting more expensive by the day.And yet, the top 10% of income people pay 75% of the taxes, and are ask to pay more, because the greedy bastards have more than they need. How dare them. Geez.

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
10:39 am

USinUK – you’re right … he spent 8

Really? I can’t remember a single time, care to provide some evidence of that?

Common Sense – If I’ve learned one thing here, it is that class warfare doesn’t exist. And if it does, it is only when the rich wish to keep more of what they’ve earned and not have it confiscated by the government.

Jm

May 16th, 2012
10:39 am

Obama couldn’t find his bootstraps if they were… Tied to his boots :)

Of course obama doesn’t wear boots

Paul

May 16th, 2012
10:40 am

Jm

“Jay leaves out the best solutionto reducing the deficit: reducing deductions and credits”

Do you really not remember what you’ve read in Jay’s other columns?

TaxPayer

May 16th, 2012
10:40 am

How much does Romney’s plan reduce the debt and deficit per year over the next ten years.

getalife

May 16th, 2012
10:40 am

willard would use the same w policies that collapse the global economy.

Expecting a different result is called insanity.

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
10:41 am

sfd – So ABC producing a mini-series is the same as the Bush administration now? Just wondering.

Jm

May 16th, 2012
10:42 am

Paul
Do I really care what you have to say about ignoring a column written today against a strawman series of responses?

Nope

DawgDad

May 16th, 2012
10:43 am

“However, I do see Romney as a return to Bush policy. Is Romney your choice? Why?”

The primary is over. If you aren’t in favor of the Democrat Party march down the path of socialism and nomination of liberal Justices then Romney is clearly the better option.

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
10:44 am

taxpayer- I found that you can learn much more about a state by just staying at a Holiday Inn there as opposed to riding a bicycle there.

Now you sound like a senator from WI. Wish I could hide out in a hotel instead of going to work and still get paid.

Jm

May 16th, 2012
10:44 am

Sfd
Dude. Unplug. You’re not making any points.

The Thin Guy

May 16th, 2012
10:45 am

Indeed Mittens has an impressive portfolio. But FarackUp Hussein ØDumbø has some change in his jeans.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/05/obama-worth-as-much-as-10-million/1#.T7NvqWt5mK0=

The Mighty Mormon earned his money the old fashioned way, inheritance and hard work. The Malignant Muslim is raking in the dough with money laundering, viz., using so-called Stimulus Money to fund Green Companies who send the funds to secret Swiss bank accounts, then declare bankruptcy, and donate our tax money to the campaign coffers of Ze Big ZerØ. And this doesn’t even take into account the millions of taxpayers money being spent on elaborate vacations for The First Fool, Moochella, and the Rug Rats. Please spare us from 4 more years of Hoax and Chains.

Time to Wok the Dog.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
10:46 am

“Really? I can’t remember a single time, care to provide some evidence of that?”

“They looked at our response after the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa, and the attack on the USS Cole. They concluded that free societies lacked the courage and character to defend themselves against a determined enemy… ” … Bush, Aug 30, 2005

Paul

May 16th, 2012
10:46 am

Generation

“f the entire economic picture was inherited by Obama, then why has he not passed legislation to eliminate some of those practices by Bush that caused the collapse. ( Would you please show us all which Bush programs that led to collapse that Obama has ended)”

You may want to do a quick read on Dodd-Frank and the history of Republican opposition. Latest news regarding JP Morgan also references killing provisions that would have prevented that.

JKL2

“Second question: aren’t students able to be carried on their parent’s policy, thanks to Obamacare?

That goes back way farther than obamacare. I couldn’t tell you a date, but college students have been under their family’s policy for as long as I can remember.”

How far back do you remember? When my kids were in college somewhere around 21 my insurance company dropped them. It was the university policy or self insure.

And before you come back with ‘why were they still in college at 21?” you should remember all the comments about students sucking on their parents, so some kids actually took time off to work and save or took a reduced load and worked and avoided heavy student debt. All stuff conservatives champion.

The cat

May 16th, 2012
10:46 am

Who said if the child is old enough to ask for a glass of milk, breastfeeding time is over.

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
10:47 am

‘If you aren’t in favor of the Democrat Party march down the path of socialism and nomination of liberal Justices then Romney is clearly the better option.’

Or, if you aren’t in favor of policy that turned surpluses to deficits, neo-con foreign policy and activist supreme court justices then Obama is clearly the better option…

Ahem

May 16th, 2012
10:47 am

It is accepted fact that the problem is spending, not taxes and to opine otherwise is patently dishonest.

Paul

May 16th, 2012
10:48 am

Jm

“Do I really care what you have to say about ignoring a column written today against a strawman series of responses?”

What I have learned is you don’t seem to care much for any information that provides a reality counterweight to fantasy.

stands for decibels

May 16th, 2012
10:48 am

So ABC producing a mini-series is the same as the Bush administration now?

No, and I didn’t actually say that Bush explicitly blamed Clinton for 9/11. However, plenty of his surrogates did, to the point where virtually ANY discussion I ever saw online about culpability for the attacks always wound up with the usual sides pointing fingers at one Administration or another.

TaxPayer

May 16th, 2012
10:48 am

Now you sound like a senator from WI. Wish I could hide out in a hotel instead of going to work and still get paid.

You sound like you’re jealous of my spending time at Holiday Inns. Or else you are trying to justify Craig’s toe-tapping time in the airport stalls or some other diversion. By the way, how’s Walker’s recall coming. Did you learn anything special while biking through that state.

Union

May 16th, 2012
10:49 am

tax the rich!!!! (whatever that means)

google: immigrants making billions in tax returns

According to an NBC affiliate in Indianapolis, illegal aliens are getting billions of U.S. tax dollars in refundable tax credits for nieces, nephews, and other relatives back in Mexico, because the IRS has allowed illegal aliens to claim such credits on their tax returns, for people they list as “dependents.” (Nearly three quarters of tax returns filed by illegal aliens received such tax credits). For example, an illegal alien with $14,000 in income not only paid no taxes, but received a refund of $10,000. In another case, illegal aliens used a phony address to claim 20 relatives as dependents and get thousands in refunds.

Paul

May 16th, 2012
10:50 am

The cat

“Who said if the child is old enough to ask for a glass of milk, breastfeeding time is over.”

Yet that doesn’t end men’s fascination with them, does it?

getalife

May 16th, 2012
10:50 am

I was on a drudge thread about the police using drones to spy on us and I wrote, “Did you cons hear w’s speech on freedom today?”

Heads exploded.

It was hilarious.

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
10:50 am

jamvet- you write as if you do have a clue

I’m still waiting for your resume of experience with Iowa. I know your clueless, I just want to hear you admit it since you were so adamant about pointing fingers.

Here’s another oldie but goodie for you: http://ragbrai.com/2009/07/19/obama-lemonade-near-henderson/

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

May 16th, 2012
10:51 am

50% pay nothing. 50% pay ALL the taxes. The 50% will always be asked to pay more and more….and more……..Because until you really understand Democrats, the party of compassion ( who give little to none of their money)their game plan for power is to have a wimpy, worthless population who look for them for everything, thus they have their vote. If you do not see this under Obama, you then don’t want to see it. Democrats would like to see a federal rate of about 55-60%. They feel if you make 400K and only spend 60-70K to live, then you are a greedy person to want to keep and save the rest of that money.The Hollywood crowd is different. If you make 20 million, paying 8 mil in taxes, what’s the big deal paying another mil or two. It’s the 2 income family making 400K , who appear to be rich, but with a standard of living rewarding of their success, 3 kids to put through college, they are the ones not happy. They are already paying 100-120K in federal taxes. Asking for 30-40K more, when 25% of all tax money is WASTED NOW, is a loser for them.

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
10:51 am

Ahem – “It is accepted fact that the problem is spending, not taxes and to opine otherwise is patently dishonest.”

Actually, it’s accepted fact that a combination of spending cuts and a return to the Clinton Era tax rates across the board will dig us out of this hole at an accelerated rate. However, as long as people live under the impression that they will be forced to sponsor a poor person like a third world child from the commercials,we will never get anywhere.

stands for decibels

May 16th, 2012
10:52 am

50% pay nothing. 50% pay ALL the taxes.

yeah, I’m totally reading past that…

Oscar

May 16th, 2012
10:52 am

“of course, nobody expects them to stop the fire on their own. They’re going to need a lot of help, and government spending is of course going to have to be cut” — from Jay’s article.

Jm – did you even read the piece Jay wrote?

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
10:53 am

USinUK – Okay, but in that quote he wasn’t just blaming Clinton. He blamed everyone (except his dad) back to Carter, including Reagan. But at the same time, one speech does not 8 years make.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
10:53 am

“50% pay nothing. 50% pay ALL the taxes. ”

nothing???

REALLY???

you SURE you want to stand by that (proven incorrect) statement???

you still have a lifeline … you can phone a friend.

Dave

May 16th, 2012
10:54 am

Typical liberal response: raise taxes.

We’re not in debt for 15 trillion dollars because we taxed too little. We’re there because we spent WAY WAY WAY too much.

The problem isn’t the deficit or the debt. Those are symptoms of the problem. The problem is a massive, expensive, bloated, arrogant federal government that refuses to cut its addiction to spending.

If you really want to raise taxes, how about raising them on the lower 48% of income earners who don’t pay any net income taxes at all? Then they might reconsider their “gimme gimme” mentality of always voting for more spending and not having to pay for it.

Give me a tax system that imposes the exact same rate for everyone, with no deductions or refundible credits. THEN we’ll have a “fair” tax system.

Talking Head

May 16th, 2012
10:54 am

“Actually, it’s accepted fact that a combination of spending cuts and a return to the Clinton Era tax rates across the board will dig us out of this hole at an accelerated rate”

Accepted fact? From whom or where? Paul Krugman? MSNBC? HuffPo?

Spare me.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
10:55 am

(ir) – 10:53 – did you notice the date???

do you think that 2005 was the FIRST time he made that statemetn???

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 16th, 2012
10:55 am

You may want to do a quick read on Dodd-Frank and the history of Republican opposition

The latest Rolling Stone has a Matt Taibbi article on the opposition.

stands for decibels

May 16th, 2012
10:55 am

Now you sound like a senator from WI. Wish I could hide out in a hotel instead of going to work and still get paid.

Jealousy over a few weeks’ worth of $49,943 annual salary is the new wealth envy, I guess.

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
10:55 am

sfd – Did bush spend 4 years blaming Clinton for 9/11

What? Blame Clinton for 9/11? Why that’d be crazy talk.

You’re right, you did specifically say it, you implied it. Also, everyone knows that what is typed here has almost no meaning past here. So, saying you saw the blame go one way or another in the internet world means absolutely nothing.

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
10:56 am

getalife- The big cuts at the end of the year are coming.

Can’t tell if your hoping for a Republican landslide or you’re still in fantasy land? Can we get a clarification?

Or by “big cut” did you mean the Democrat’s “reduction of increase” version?

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
10:57 am

Talking Head – “Accepted fact? From whom or where? ”

You asked, I answered.

“However, the CBO also says the deficit could be fixed almost completely simply by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire as scheduled in 2012 and broadening the alternative minimum tax.”

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
10:57 am

USinUK – Yeah, and I looked it up, and all the references I found were for that SPECIFIC speech. Which, like I said, blamed more than just Clinton. So, no, one speech does not 8 years make.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 16th, 2012
10:58 am

how about raising them on the lower 48% of income earners who don’t pay any net income taxes at all

What is 28% of $0? How much tax revenue you going to get from poor people?

Even the poor pay taxes when they buy stuff – it’s called sales tax. And if they work, payroll tax is taken out for them.

Blame the poor! Burn them! They are eeeeebil!

The Truth

May 16th, 2012
10:58 am

Funny how the Republicons always talk about the debt and deficits, but when you tell them that defense spending needs to be cut, they get their panties in a bunch and scream foul. The US military has over 800 military bases worldwide which is more than all other countries COMBINED including Russia and China . The Republicons are true hypocrites when it comes to discussing fiscal concerns. I guess they care more about paying off their military industial complex puppet masters than the future of this country.

getalife

May 16th, 2012
10:58 am

cons have never been right about anything so they will stay that course.

They ignore the collapse and the downgrade and want some of that.

Their failed ideology of tax cuts and no regulations were crushed around the world.

con government lost big and so will ours.

Patience people, the end of conservatism is near.

Talking Head

May 16th, 2012
10:59 am

“However, the CBO also says the deficit could be fixed almost completely simply by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire as scheduled in 2012 and broadening the alternative minimum tax.”

Forgive me if I don’t believe everything the CBO says. They’ve been known to give numbers and opinions when politically necessary.

Tundra Dude

May 16th, 2012
11:00 am

We have more threats against this country now more than ever and cutting defense would be suicide!

Imo, nearly all these “threats” are mfg’d by the FBI, CIA, and possibly Mossad.

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed — and thus clamorous to be led to safety — by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” ~H.L.Mencken

ByteMe - Political thug

May 16th, 2012
11:00 am

“Actually, it’s accepted fact that a combination of spending cuts and a return to the Clinton Era tax rates across the board will dig us out of this hole at an accelerated rate”

The Bush White House said this back in 2008, actually. The archives of budget proposals is online.

getalife

May 16th, 2012
11:00 am

jk,

I don’t answer silly con questions anymore.

Generation$crewed

May 16th, 2012
11:01 am

Lord Help Us
May 16th, 2012
10:37 am

And how was that different from Bush policy?
Obams used basic same time line as Bush had laid out for leaving Iraq. Obama employed same surge type mentality in Afgan. Bush bailed out auto companies, obama doubled down on that.

Their personalities are very different but apparently their policy positions are very similar. Google can be a friend, if your an old school loyal kinda person you could try yahoo!

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
11:01 am

Talking Head – “Forgive me if I don’t believe everything the CBO says. They’ve been known to give numbers and opinions when politically necessary.”

And apparently when it doesn’t fit your Mantra.

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
11:02 am

ByteMe – “The Bush White House said this back in 2008, actually. The archives of budget proposals is online.”

Don’t tell Talking Head that. Apparently he wasn’t aware that the tax cuts were designed to expire in 2010 as well.

bookman parrot

May 16th, 2012
11:03 am

i can’t say i totally opposed to sir bookman today. shock and surprise on me.
but sir bookman, you do need to remember that some folks that have been living off the government for years and years, need to start pulling their own weight, whereever possible. also….
don’t just point fingers at Romney, because you could just as easily point at John Kerry family, Kennedy family; George Soros, rich actor/actress libs in Hollywood and the Bookman beloved Obamas. They could just decide to give all of their fortunes away to the government, except $ that they would need to live like the 99%; but they won’t. the extremely rich is not just Republicans.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 16th, 2012
11:04 am

“Forgive me if I don’t believe everything the CBO says. They’ve been known to give numbers and opinions when politically necessary.”

in other words … you ask for proof … you get proof … you disregard proof because it doesn’t fit in with your paradigm

Rickster

May 16th, 2012
11:05 am

Jay… your premise that we have a revenue problem is wrong. Therefore, your solution of raising taxes is flawed.

When we’re borrowing 40% of every dollar we spend… we’re spending too much.

When confiscating the total wealth of every billionaire would fund the government for only a few months… we’re spending too much.

We can’t tax our way out of this hole. The solution is two-fold:

1. Grow the economy: Put more people to work, generating more income for them and more income tax revenue to the government. Raising taxes on corporations and high-income individuals who tend to invest that money won’t accomplish that. Allowing people to keep more of the money they earn from investing does. JFK proved that. So did Reagan.

2. Reduce spending. Fewer people on food stamps, unemployment, etc would reduce some of the government’s expenses. But we have to reduce the scope, size, cost and intrusiveness of government. “Entitlement” reform, regulation reform, zero-based budgeting and other measures would go a long way to balancing the country’s budget.

DawgDad

May 16th, 2012
11:06 am

USinUK and (ir)rational: Bush didn’t “blame” anybody in that 2005 speech. He’s stating the terrorists viewed American response (or inaction) to previous events as weakness. Osama and other Islamic terrorists said as much, very publicly.

If you step on my toe and I fail to smack you down, and then you drive your car over my lawn and I don’t call the police or shoot your tires out, and then you stab me in the back and publicly proclaim you stabbed the weak pig, did I demonstrate WEAKNESS? Many people would say no, I demonstrated restraint. Bush was clearly NOT casting blame on Clinton and Democrats in general, or he would have left out the Lebanon bombing and named names. Obama has named names, and historically that is very un-Presidential by precedent.

doh!

May 16th, 2012
11:07 am

Romney plays fast and loose with the facts. This is from the AP via Huffpo regarding his speech:

“ROMNEY: “America counted on President Obama to rescue the economy, tame the deficit and help create jobs. Instead, he bailed out the public sector, gave billions of your dollars to the companies of his friends, and added almost as much debt as all the prior presidents combined.”

THE FACTS. Hardly. Presidents from George Washington through George W. Bush ran the national debt up to $10.62 trillion, the amount it was on the day Obama took office. Today, it is $15.67 trillion, according to the Treasury Department’s Bureau of Public Debt. So it has gone up by $5.05 trillion under Obama. That’s roughly half of the amount amassed by all the other presidents combined.

In short, the debt has gone up by about half under Obama. Under Ronald Reagan, it tripled.”

Tundra Dude

May 16th, 2012
11:07 am

Or is there some kind of magic by which defense spending adds nothing to the inferno,

Yes, it’s called the OB credit card, (off budget) Thank you, Bush the Brilliant!

ByteMe - Political thug

May 16th, 2012
11:07 am

Don’t tell Talking Head that. Apparently he wasn’t aware that the tax cuts were designed to expire in 2010 as well.

In fact, in the 2008 budget the Bush White House predicted that if the tax cuts were allowed to expire on time in 2010, the budget would be in SURPLUS by 2013. At the same time, they were pushing for the cuts to become “permanent” (well, as permanent as tax policy can be with Congress on the take).

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
11:08 am

‘And how was that different from Bush policy?’

Dude, the difference is what each inherited. Are you aware of the state of the economy, the lack of wars, the existence of budget surpluses, etc. when Bush took office?

If you have forgotten this or cannot see this in context, I can’t help you…

F. Sinkwich

May 16th, 2012
11:08 am

In November, Jimmy Carter will have a tremendous weight lifted from his legacy and America will have a new paradigm for failure.

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
11:08 am

Rickster – “Reduce spending. Fewer people on food stamps, unemployment, etc would reduce some of the government’s expenses. But we have to reduce the scope, size, cost and intrusiveness of government. “Entitlement”

Well, the aforementioned takes care of about 13% of the budget, how do you plan to tackle the other 87%?

ByteMe - Political thug

May 16th, 2012
11:09 am

People assume that the Titanic could have done a 180 spin right while still going 30 mph and somehow missed the iceberg.

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
11:09 am

DawgDad – While I would agree with your comments, I felt like playing along with USinUK to see if she could actually come up with anything more solid. She’s usually better than that.

barking frog

May 16th, 2012
11:09 am

since real property is
taxed on it’s value,
why is abstract property
(stocks,bonds,etc) not
taxed the same way ?

Oscar

May 16th, 2012
11:10 am

Romney is saying what he thinks he needs to say to get elected. Who really knows what he would do as president. I would not want to take the chance to find out. But he will get a lot of votes. Election depends on how seven or eight battleground states go. Most other states or locked in one way or the other, like Georgia is locked in to go GOP.

getalife

May 16th, 2012
11:12 am

Tea party candidates purged long time gop members and now the gop are scared to death of losing their precious jobs.

Term limits would end their fear but they will never do that. I think it is time to end the revolving door to lobbying and end all their benefits to force them to retire.

They abuse our system of government and it is pour job to fix it.

Oscar

May 16th, 2012
11:12 am

Rickster

May 16th, 2012
11:05 am
Jay… your premise that we have a revenue problem is wrong. Therefore, your solution of raising taxes is flawed.

_____

See my 10:52 post. I see you did not read the article either.

ByteMe - Political thug

May 16th, 2012
11:13 am

since real property is
taxed on it’s value,
why is abstract property
(stocks,bonds,etc) not
taxed the same way ?

Because real property is local and physical. Abstract property can remain hidden from view and resides anywhere it wants. On the other hand, the transaction to purchase or sell that property could still be taxed with a sales tax if we wanted to.

harvey

May 16th, 2012
11:13 am

This is ludicrous. You always start out your columns, when talking about Mitt, with how rich he is. Envy much? It is inconceivable to me how anyone can still support Obama after the mess he has made of the economy. He knows his audience, however, the ignorant, entitlement masses, union employees, government employees, blacks and students. I know this cadre is ever growing, but hopefully, people with some trust in their own abilities to make a living will still prevail.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 16th, 2012
11:13 am

I know it’s really really hard for you cons to accept certain realities. Case in point:

The military, the defense system, the President – all are supposed to protect the American people from external harm. They are supposed to work in harmony to stop any attacks against us. 9/11 was a failure of epic proportions.

No, W isn’t responsible for 9/11; but his team, his administration, his security forces didn’t do enough to prevent it.

When a company fails, who do you blame first? The CEO.
A Republican was in charge and look what happened.

Joe

May 16th, 2012
11:13 am

Hillarious video…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYwkNCwADzQ&feature=youtu.be

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 16th, 2012
11:14 am

Or would that be too much to ask?

That is too much to ask.

Its much too much to ask that Romney pay the same percentage in taxes as everyone else.

He needs that second home in Aspen dangit.

stands for decibels

May 16th, 2012
11:15 am

Election depends on how seven or eight battleground states go

Yeah, isn’t that electoral college just great? Boy howdy, those Founders sure thought of everything.

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
11:15 am

Paul- you should remember all the comments about students sucking on their parents, so some kids actually took time off to work and save or took a reduced load and worked and avoided heavy student debt. All stuff conservatives champion.

What’s the problem with doing it that way? It’s the left who want’s to make it right and have everything handed to them. I worked part time my freshman year and full time every year after that.

If I remember correctly, I was covered by my parents until 24 as long as I was a college student(I graduated in 89). Not sure how much it varies, but it was in a different state and a different company.

ByteMe - Political thug

May 16th, 2012
11:15 am

He needs that second home in Aspen dangit.

Thought he had 5.

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
11:16 am

harvey – “It is inconceivable to me how anyone can still support Obama after the mess he has made of the economy.”

I’ll give you $10,000.00 if you can tell me the state of the economy in 2008, and how Obama made a mess of it.

Gator Joe

May 16th, 2012
11:17 am

Deficits don’t matter if, they happen under Republican administrations and are the result of spending for unnecessary wars, tax cuts, corporate tax loopholes, subsidies for oil companies, etc. Deficits suddenly matter when a Black President is elected, and spending is for the purpose of helping the poor, the elderly and children, and improving the environment.
When the Right gets serious about deficits and the debt, by addressing the revenue side and the spending side (especially defense) of the equation, then I’ll take them seriously. Until then, I’ll continue to see them as they are, a joke.

Scooter

May 16th, 2012
11:18 am

How many times have politicians agreed to cut spending after they get tax hikes? How many times have they actually done it? How foolish are we supposed to be? Ultimately the middle class will have to pay higher taxes but I want to see politicians make cuts first.

TaxPayer

May 16th, 2012
11:18 am

Funny how Republicans fail to talk about how those Bush tax cuts allow people to file a joint return and claim standard deduction and get to rake in over $85,000 in qualifying dividends and capital gains per year while paying ZERO payroll or fed income taxes. I’m sure the poor that work those minimum wage jobs are really raking in the benefits from that deal.

stands for decibels

May 16th, 2012
11:18 am

You always start out your columns, when talking about Mitt, with how rich he is.

and by “always” you mean “this one time I noticed.”

Seriously, enter “Romney” in Jay’s “Search this blog” field and tell me just how many times Jay’s actually had some variant of “Mitt sho’ beez rich!” I suspect you’ll have to go back a ways.

Bobby Savoy

May 16th, 2012
11:18 am

Does anyone else think that an executive order to postpone the election is necessary? Declare martial law and make it happen. It really seems like Romney has a chance to win the election. That cannot happen. Rise up, Atlanta!

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
11:19 am

Finn – Right, because the president is supposed to be able to fix all the security issues that were (obviously) going on in this country in 7.5 months. Yeah, and yet you claim others are having a hard time accepting reality. Weird.

ByteMe - Political thug

May 16th, 2012
11:20 am

It really seems like Romney has a chance to win the election.

So does Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich.

Oh, wait, you mean a REAL chance?

Hahahahahahahahahaha

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 16th, 2012
11:20 am

It is inconceivable to me how anyone can still support Obama after the mess he has made of the economy.

Did you happen to see the economy he inherited. Its much better since he took over.

W himself said right before he left that ” this sucker could go down ” meaning the American economy.

Obama prevented that.

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
11:20 am

Butch – Do I have to use facts? Or can I just say something that sounds smart and then you send me the check for the $10,000? ;)

The cat

May 16th, 2012
11:21 am

I think the debates in October will show what an empty suit Willard really is.

getalife

May 16th, 2012
11:22 am

“in other words … you ask for proof … you get proof … you disregard proof because it doesn’t fit in with your paradigm”

cons never cede a point or admit they are dead wrong so what is the point of responding to that ignorance?

Joe Hussein Mama

May 16th, 2012
11:24 am

F. Sinkiewicz — “People are waking up:”

How’s that, exactly?

“Voters now trust likely Republican nominee Mitt Romney more than President Obama on all five issues regularly surveyed by Rasmussen Reports, especially when it comes to money. A new national telephone survey finds that 51% of Likely U.S. Voters trust Romney more than Obama when it comes the economy, while 39% trust the president more.”

Rely on Rasmussen’s flawed methodology at your own risk.

The 105 polls released in Senate and gubernatorial races by Rasmussen Reports and its subsidiary, Pulse Opinion Research, missed the final margin between the candidates by 5.8 points, a considerably higher figure than that achieved by most other pollsters. Some 13 of its polls missed by 10 or more points, including one in the Hawaii Senate race that missed the final margin between the candidates by 40 points, the largest error ever recorded in a general election in FiveThirtyEight’s database, which includes all polls conducted since 1998.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/rasmussen-polls-were-biased-and-inaccurate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/04/use-of-likely-voter-model-does-not.html

Paul

May 16th, 2012
11:24 am

JKL2

That could very well be it – different states and companies. You were fortunate. On your parent’s policy until 24? I checked my kids were dropped at 21. At least ACA standardizes the ages so families can plan for college and not get a nasty surprise when they move or change jobs.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 16th, 2012
11:24 am

Right, because the president is supposed to be able to fix all the security issues that were (obviously) going on in this country in 7.5 months.

Exactly. When Clinton left office his team warned the Bush team over and over that OBL was going to be a big problem for them. They had already been through the 1993 bombing of the WTC and the USS Cole incident. Clinton also tried to kill OBL several times and just missed.

But when W took over he and Rumsfield and Rice were running around everywhere telling us how we needed this huge National Missile defense system. They were still stuck in Cold War 80’s thinking and it cost us.

Big time.

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
11:24 am

(ir)Rational – “Do I have to use facts? Or can I just say something that sounds smart and then you send me the check for the $10,000? ”

It will depend upon where you get the facts from and whether or not the source also believes in Unicorns and Skittle Rainbows. :)

Bud Wiser

May 16th, 2012
11:24 am

Ole Bud is back in town for only a few days after a relaxing golfing and family trip to Myrtle Beach.

Thats what we 1%ers do, you know, living the high life on our investments. It is a trend that will continue next year when the Republicans take control, you betcha!

It is amusing in a sick sort of way to read you people whine and moan about our next President, Mitt Romney. Check the polls. He’s leading in virtually every one, with the possible exceptions of the internal office polls at the fading-fast “mainstream media”, and even those are closer than they should be.

Your hatred and envy of those who have done better than you, who have more with their careers than you, and who have productive and meaningful lives, makes me laugh.

You are pathetic.

Anyway, I shall continue (like our next President) my life of leisure and travel shortly, so slobber on fools, slobber on!

[As a side note, we were unable to secure first class seating on the return flight from Las Vegas a couple weeks ago, and had to ride with the unwashed masses in coach, so life is not always peaches and cream for the 1%.]

curious

May 16th, 2012
11:25 am

All these postings remind me of my college days at Auburn. Listening to George Wallace and the vocal majority of white folks had me convinced integration would never happen.

What we have here is a bunch of crazy loons.

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
11:25 am

Pass – I don’t remember reading that anywhere in the 9/11 Commission Report, want to point me to the right area of it?

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
11:26 am

taxpayer- By the way, how’s Walker’s recall coming. Did you learn anything special while biking through that state

From what I hear, it’s still a complete waste of taxpayer time and money. Something wrong with people wanting to punish a man doing what he promised to do when elected v. applauding those who get elected and then don’t even bother to show up for work.

It’s a little hokie, but “A Million Spokes” is a pretty good depiction of RAGBRAI. My wife has a hard time believing I actually know many of the people in the movie.

While any normal bike ride avoids civilization like the plague, RAGBRAI purposely hits every town across the state. It’s completely unique and truly a national treasure. Many people consider it a life changing event.

TaxPayer

May 16th, 2012
11:26 am

Funny how the right wingers get on here and whine and moan that the left wants all these handouts at their expense now that those right wingers have already taken advantage of the very same benefits such as government subsidized education. Then they try to divert by claiming that it’s the college loans that the left takes out that’s the problem as though the right does not take out loans or as though the loans are not taken out to pay for the rising cost of education or as though places like Phoenix University are not profiting from their on-going push of said loans on the unsuspecting, etc. What a crock.

TaxPayer

May 16th, 2012
11:27 am

From what I hear, it’s still a complete waste of taxpayer time and money.

Did you hear that from the cyclers that you passed while touring the state.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 16th, 2012
11:27 am

I think the debates in October will show what an empty suit Willard really is.

Me too. He is gonna get creamed.

Of course that doesn’t always matter.

Al Gore mopped the floor with W especially in the first debate but still “lost”

The Bubba’s out there who thinks Obama is a Muslim Homo aren’t going to vote for him no matter what happens in the debates.

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
11:27 am

Butch – So if I can get my “facts” from the Huffington Post I should be good? Got it. ;)

williebkind

May 16th, 2012
11:28 am

‘No, W isn’t responsible for 9/11; but his team, his administration, his security forces didn’t do enough to prevent it.”

After all this time and your are still an idiot!

St Simons - he-ne-ha

May 16th, 2012
11:28 am

Paul, ok, You are talking campaign strategy, and I was
just observing. Agreed on your concept.

As for the Mormon ref, I take it you’re Mormon or something.
Like it or not, it IS an issue. And in this particular case, it
is even more so, juxtaposed against the whole vulture capitalist thing.
My credibility is through my Certification, and is no more in question
than yours when you show hyper-sensitivity to the fact that the
Republicans have nominated a Mormon loan shark. They did.
Otherwise, I pretty much agree with everything you say.
I’m a big fan actually.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 16th, 2012
11:28 am

Straitroad — “Good grief, what a bunch of whiners. Jay, negativity breeds more negativity and what you do only encourages folks such as these to moan and groan about what someone else has that they don’t. Go ahead and wallow in your pity party and see what it gets you.”

Keep saying ‘let them eat cake’ and see what it gets YOU.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

williebkind

May 16th, 2012
11:28 am

I should say ignorant!

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

May 16th, 2012
11:29 am

Good point Taxpayer.

Ask any older Republican if they want Universal Healthcare and they will say NO !!!

Then ask them to give up there Medicare.

You’ll get a completely different answer.

Rickster

May 16th, 2012
11:30 am

Would Jay Bookman – he with the bully pulpit and misguided ideas – pay more in taxes by taking the standard deduction rather than itemizing? Would he write an additional check to the Bureau of the Public Debt to help with debt reduction rather than continue his diatribes advocating higher taxes on people who have already paid taxes on money that is now invested?

Or would that be too much to ask?

TaxPayer

May 16th, 2012
11:31 am

Bud thinks real 1%ers actually fly on planes with commoners. Now THAT’s funny.

getalife

May 16th, 2012
11:31 am

“I should say ignorant!”

willie finally admits it.

Good for you willy.

Obama is over

May 16th, 2012
11:31 am

Another wealth envy blog.So we have a guy who has been uber successful accumulating a $250mm fortune while paying taxes the entire time being criticized for not paying enough taxes on the funds he has already payed taxes on. And the alternative is a guy who has been successful through constantly playing the race card, set aside government programs paid for by others, and good old fashioned Chicago style politics. Nice story developing in the AJC about Mack Welbourn, the Obama bundler who has been awarded Hartsfield concession contracts under disadvantaged minority status. Sure, he is a minority. He is worth $40mm. That story parleys quite nicely with Kim Strassels’ stories about the White House publicizing the names of American citizens who have been Romney donors so that they can be attacked by Obama super pacs. In the ethics department, Obama is becoming quite Nixon like.That’s how it works in Obamaland, the Government gets to pick winners and losers based on purely partisan criterea, not capability. It works better if you can throw money at a specific voting demographic based on race, sexual orientation, or gender. Anything to distract from any detailed scrutiny of the programs of the past 4 years. Of course, in the real world, employers are more concerned about ability. A recent GAO analysis of the 49 job training programs ( I am sure there is no duplication there) within 9 agencies in the Obama administration stated that only 5 programs have had impact studies to assess whether these agendas improved employment. The results tended” to be small, inconclusive, or restricted to short term impacts.” In other words, once the “stimulus” money ran out, the only people with jobs were the government employees. These job training programs cost the American taxpayers $14.5 BILLION last year. Another great example of how Obama rolls. Completely ineffective program with no accountability paid for by taxpayers. I wonder how much of this money went to labor union programs as payback for votes?

jms

May 16th, 2012
11:32 am

“Any reason why we can’t take the following steps:

1. Allow tax rates to re-set to Pre – Bush levels across the board
2. Eliminate the EITC ( If you are below the poverty threshold, you get to keep 100% of your income, but you DO NOT get a tax return for taxes not paid)
3.Cut 10% from ALL Federal spending

Or, does that not make enough sense?”

Butch, the problem is that makes too much sense. The right won’t go along with 1 or 3 and the left won’t go along with 2 or 3.

getalife

May 16th, 2012
11:32 am

bud smoker does not have a job because he could not pass the pee test.

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
11:33 am

JHM – I’m not worried. Everyone knows you liberals don’t believe in guns, and all of us rich conservatives do. Besides, when you get your little “liberal army” together and the first battle starts, all we’re going to have to do is get a couple of you to fire your guns and the rest are going to run screaming from the noise. ;)

Joe Hussein Mama

May 16th, 2012
11:33 am

jm — “Did bush spend 4 years blaming Clinton for 9/11″

Actually, the GOP took just about every opportunity to blame Clinton for the WTC bombing in 1993, for the attack on the USS Stark and for the OKC bombing — but when Clinton wanted Congress to approve placing chemical taggant agents in agricultural chemicals to facilitate law enforcement efforts to catch bombers, Congress refused.

Y’all have been crapping on Clinton about terrorism almost from the day he got in office, so you know what you can do with that ’stop blaming Bush for 9/11′ bulldada.

Gator Joe

May 16th, 2012
11:33 am

Jay:
If you haven’t read it already, read “A People’s History of the United States”, by Howard Zinn. This book explains much of what is occuring today in our politics and business. This book also provides a more accurate picture of our history than most of the history courses primary and university education.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

May 16th, 2012
11:34 am

wow, ByteMe gets an accounting sticker. excellent.

Generation$crewed

May 16th, 2012
11:34 am

Lord Help Us
May 16th, 2012
11:08 am

So you are saying that Obama had no choice but to continue the policies of bush, because of what he inherited from Bush?

Really that’s your position?

You wouldn’t want to change the policies of the president who started this financial collapse, but instead you have basically claimed he had not choice because of what was inherited?

Wow that’s one way to defend Obama being nothing more than a 3rd bush term.

Again what policy positions has Obama taken that have been that different from the bush policy?

Is it the (d) and the (r) part tripping you up?

Paul

May 16th, 2012
11:35 am

Budwiser

“As a side note, we were unable to secure first class seating on the return flight from Las Vegas a couple weeks ago, and had to ride with the unwashed masses in coach, so life is not always peaches and cream for the 1%”

Nonsense.

Most first class travel is done by people with airmiles.

Buy a first class ticket and those people get bumped.

Stop looking for freebies.

willie lynch

May 16th, 2012
11:35 am

Maybe Romney can add all that money to defense and just not count it. Like Bush did with the wars he started.

Oh those Republicans and their trick-onomics.

getalife

May 16th, 2012
11:38 am

ir,

Old cons can’t see too well and will shoot you in the back :)

Hootinanny Yum Yum

May 16th, 2012
11:38 am

Today’s Pop Quiz:

1. Who was the only U.S. President to have been the leader of a labor union?
2. Which political party opposed the Civil Rights Bill of 1964?
3. Which political party has the most millionaires in congress?
4. While on the campaign trail, which U.S. President claimed to have visited 57 states… with one more to go?
5. According to the media, which U.S. Presidential candidate has a history of “flip-flopping” on issues?
6. According to the media, which U.S. Presidential candidate “evolves” on issues?
7. What filmmaker insists that corporations are evil and claims he doesn’t invest in the stock market due to moral principals?
8. The EPA was created under which U.S. President’s administration and by his proposal?
9. Who said: “I can see Russia from my house!”?
10. Which political party occupied the White House when America entered WWI? WWII? The Korean War? The the Vietnam War?

Quentric

May 16th, 2012
11:39 am

“What exactly do Romney and others in his tax bracket intend to contribute to this fight?”

I’m no apologist for the Romneys of the world but shouldn’t all wage earners be “contributing to the fight”? Almost 50% of American workers pay no federal income taxes at all. If we’re going to make the Romneys pay more we should make everyone pay something, even if it’s only a few dollars, so that we’ll all have a little epidermis in the game.

TaxPayer

May 16th, 2012
11:39 am

Actually my wife upgraded her trip from Las Vegas a few weeks ago to first class and she mentioned some irrate passenger that smelled of green beer complaining about not getting a first class seat.

ty webb

May 16th, 2012
11:40 am

Off Topic: can we all agree that Douglasville mayor, Harvey Persons, needs to be tarred and feathered?…What a shmuck.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 16th, 2012
11:42 am

B. Wiser — “It is amusing in a sick sort of way to read you people whine and moan about our next President, Mitt Romney. Check the polls. He’s leading in virtually every one”

Okay, checking.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Damn! How did THAT happen?

(laughing) :D

Paul

May 16th, 2012
11:43 am

St Simons

“Paul, ok, You are talking campaign strategy, and I was
just observing. Agreed on your concept.”

I do like strategy. Lots of time people mistake it for advocacy. One reason I’ve also been labeled a neocon here. Keeps life interesting.

Regarding the religion thing: I just don’t care to see peoples’ religion used in a negative way, especially inaccurately. Doesn’t really matter to me what religion is under consideration. Yes, for some it’s an issue, like those people at Liberty University. Much of it reminds me of “oh no, you do NOT believe what you say you believe. YOU believe what my minister and my anti-you pamphlets say you believe!!!”

It’s terms like “Mormon loan shark” I find to be borderline bigoted.

It’d be like saying Obama’s “fundamentalist socialist.”

Or another politician is a “Jew banker.”

Or a person is a ‘lazy black” or a ‘mafia Italian.”

It’s just not germane to the conversation.

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
11:43 am

getalife – Guess that is just a chance I’ll have to take. Although, we all know that conservatives want to kill off the old people, so we could just put them in front and then we wouldn’t have to worry about it. Besides, like I said, at the first sound of gunfire, the liberal army is going to dissolve into a screaming, hysterical mob trying to get as far away from the loud noises as possible. ;)

Normal Free...And liking it!

May 16th, 2012
11:45 am

“Stop looking for freebies.”

But, but, but that’s what 1%ers do…

Joe Hussein Mama

May 16th, 2012
11:47 am

(ir)Rational — “JHM – I’m not worried. Everyone knows you liberals don’t believe in guns, and all of us rich conservatives do. Besides, when you get your little “liberal army” together and the first battle starts, all we’re going to have to do is get a couple of you to fire your guns and the rest are going to run screaming from the noise.”

I’m not worried, (ir)Rational. Enough of us know how to use weapons, PLUS we’re not afraid to live outside and sleep in the dirt when the Culture War happens. As soon as you ask a 1%er to stand guard outside during cocktail hour, he’s going to refuse and demand that you hire a poor person to do it.

We’ll take you guys with hardly a shot being fired. :D

josef

May 16th, 2012
11:47 am

And a cheery almost afternoon to a cranky lot…

St Simon’s
Them Mormons…yep ole Barack hired him one to do his BIA dirtywork…

PAUL
So, what’s for supper, Grandpa; and what day of the week is it?

getalife

May 16th, 2012
11:49 am

willard’s speech yesterday proved my point that facts don’t matter this cycle.

Why does he have to tell the truth when the cons believe anything he says?

The problem with willard lying is Independents don’t buy it so he will lose.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 16th, 2012
11:49 am

Paul — “Most first class travel is done by people with airmiles. Buy a first class ticket and those people get bumped.”

Paul is exactly right. If Bud couldn’t get seating in F, it’s because he was trying to get upgraded instead of actually *buying* seats up front.

If you walk up and BUY an F fare, they will kick people off the plane to accommodate you.

Bud = poser.

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
11:49 am

JHM – You probably have a point with that staying outside part. Guess we’ll just have to make sure we’ve finished kicking your butts by cocktail hour. ;)

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
11:50 am

Paul- On your parent’s policy until 24?

I had an early birthday and went 4.5 yrs so I was 23 when I graduated. I do remember having to give them copies of my schedule to prove I was still a college student though.

Paul

May 16th, 2012
11:50 am

josef

:-)

Glad you’re here!

It’s been a fun thread, if you get a chance to scan.

BIA? Wasn’t there finally a multi-billion dollar settlement? Too late and too little, but wasn’t there one recently?

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)

May 16th, 2012
11:50 am

As a retiree, I would be glad to pay a little more, if the 50% that pay NO FEDERAL TAXES were asked to pay some(even if a little) also. If that occurred the wealthy would probably be willing to pay more also. But Jay, you and your lib friends never mention that 50% pay something, why is that?

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

May 16th, 2012
11:51 am

Yes, as usual, you are missing something……but you already knew that. Just hang on for another 1/2 year and things will be alright!

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
11:51 am

JHM – If you walk up and BUY an F fare, they will kick people off the plane to accommodate you.

Sounds like the voice of experience. Yet you pose as a poor liberal. Can’t believe you’re a 1%er, posing like that. ;)

Paul

May 16th, 2012
11:51 am

JKL2

They probably thought you were LDS and took a couple years off to do a missionary thing -

josef

May 16th, 2012
11:51 am

PAUL

Settlement on what count?

St Simons - he-ne-ha

May 16th, 2012
11:51 am

Paul, ok, you won me over with “germane”

Here, you can have a free one on me.
“Hey, Tonto, put down the calculator and get back in the casino!”
yeah, I can see where that might piss me off.

Gator Joe

May 16th, 2012
11:51 am

Most of the Conservatives I know aren’t afraid of gunfire noise, that is as long it’s at a gun range or a hunting area. But on a military firing range or the battlefield, that’s a different story.

Butch Cassidy

May 16th, 2012
11:51 am

(ir) – “So if I can get my “facts” from the Huffington Post I should be good? Got it. ”

See reference to Unicorns and Skittle Rainbows. LOL

getalife

May 16th, 2012
11:52 am

ir,

Yeah, women and old people out front to get hit is the con way :)

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
11:52 am

JKL2 – Under current law, it is 26 with none of those nasty restrictions like “access to your own insurance” or “being in school.”

Paul

May 16th, 2012
11:53 am

(ir)Rational

Joe Hussein Mama’s one of those rare types who advocates based upon principle, not upon self-interest.

Doggone/GA

May 16th, 2012
11:54 am

“Off Topic: can we all agree that Douglasville mayor, Harvey Persons, needs to be tarred and feathered?…What a shmuck”

Be interesting to see what the city council votes on Monday

weetamoe

May 16th, 2012
11:54 am

Maybe all those on the government payroll and all those preaching about the need for higher taxes should just pay what they owe—and although Buffett’s billion or so in dispute is a lot larger than Geithner’s tab, all those in the middle add up to a rather significant sum. Have no time to read the responses. Did you all miss the *prairie fire* allusion?

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
11:55 am

taxpayer- Did you hear that from the cyclers that you passed while touring the state

No, I hear that from all my friends in WI.

The cycling crowd I would say splits pretty evenly politically. The green crowd definitely draws more liberals, but it is still Iowa.

getalife

May 16th, 2012
11:55 am

Well, the Indians need a calculator to add up all the money I donated.

The casino was packed to show an improving economy.

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
11:55 am

Butch – That’s what I was referring to. :)

getalife – Nope, keep the wimmens in the kitchen. Beating errant children (aka liberals) works up a powerful hunger. Gotta have somebody in the kitchen takin care of the children (after all, they’re the future), and cookin me food. Old people, well, they can go out front if they like, but they can’t stand behind me.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 16th, 2012
11:56 am

(ir)Rational — “JHM – You probably have a point with that staying outside part. Guess we’ll just have to make sure we’ve finished kicking your butts by cocktail hour.”

That’s where the hit-and-run tactics come in. All we have to do is avoid engaging you directly until drinks are served, then we win when you all go inside for cocktails. :D

Paul

May 16th, 2012
11:56 am

St Simon

(I just typed “St Germane” – you Catholic types confuse me…)

Thanks.

Just the other day someone called someone else “Kemosabe.” I do know that’s the answer to why the Lone Ranger shot Tonto – he found out what kemosabe means…..

Zebra

May 16th, 2012
11:56 am

I know you righty whiteys ain’t counting new-borns and old folks as part of the 50% not paying taxes are you? That would be downright sleazy.

Never mind.

godless heathen

May 16th, 2012
11:57 am

Finn: “No, W isn’t responsible for 9/11; but his team, his administration, his security forces didn’t do enough to prevent it.

When a company fails, who do you blame first? The CEO.
A Republican was in charge and look what happened.”

So you hold FDR responsible for Pearl Harbor?

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
11:58 am

‘So you are saying that Obama had no choice but to continue the policies of bush, because of what he inherited from Bush?’

Partly, but I distinguish between the actions taken by the Bush admin prior to the economic meltdown from the actions taken before the economic meltdown…

TARP only passed because of Dem support, the first (Bush) stimulus only passed with Dem support, the Auto Bailout that started under Bush would not have happened without Dem support – R’s voted almost in bloc against all of these things. When Obama took office and pushed through another stimulus, bailed out the Auto Industry and passed ACA it was done with virtually no R support.

I believe these measures kept a horrible situation from getting worse…

Now Mitt is parroting the ‘conservative’ mantra on all these items (except ridiculously claiming credit for saving the auto industry).

So, No…Other than kicking the Taliban butt, Obama would not have done the things Bush did if he had come into office with a surplus and no wars…

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
11:58 am

Paul – I know, I just enjoy giving him a hard time.

Paul

May 16th, 2012
11:59 am

St Simons

And I had to be very careful to use “Italian” Mafia, not “Sicilian Mafia.”

getalife has made it very clear the Mafia’s a myth and don’t have anything to do with Sicilians.

And if I don’t believe it his cousin Vinny will educate me…

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
12:00 pm

getalife – Think you can write that off as a charitable contribution? ;)

JHM – Well, you got part of that right, the run part. ;)

A dad

May 16th, 2012
12:00 pm

Let’s make sure everyone, repeat, EVERYONE, pays the same share (same = fair, no?) by doing away with the IRS and that abortion of a tax code and enact the flat tax. That way Warren would pay the same rate as his secretary.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

May 16th, 2012
12:00 pm

Butch Cassidy – “Actually, if you follow the train of thought that Mitt will
be a better President because he..has actual “business” experience,
then…Bernie Madoff…”

yeah, I thought that too, After all, the last 3 bidnessmen to be preznit
were Warren Harding, Herbert Hoover, & Little Nero w/a Cowboy Hat.
yeee-haw

Joe Hussein Mama

May 16th, 2012
12:00 pm

(ir)Rational — “Sounds like the voice of experience. Yet you pose as a poor liberal. Can’t believe you’re a 1%er, posing like that.”

I traveled by air every week in my work for several years. I’ve still got a lot of miles saved up; at my peak, I was a top-level frequent flyer with Delta and United, and had lower-level status with three other airlines.

It doesn’t mean what it once did (and my status has long since expired with the airlines), but money has always been key to getting aboard. If you’re willing to pay a full F walk-up fare, they will kick someone off the plane unless everyone already booked in F paid for their seat, too (which is extremely rare).

That’s why they wait to announce the final upgrade list at the gate; they’re waiting to see if someone’s going to rush up at the last minute and buy a full F seat for that meeting in Minneapolis or wherever.

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
12:01 pm

Paul – There is no mafia, Italian, Sicilian or otherwise. Capisce?

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
12:01 pm

Pass the cheesy grits- When Clinton left office his team warned the Bush team over and over that OBL was going to be a big problem for them

Is that why Clinton was offered bin Laden 10 times(with better information than obama had) and never acted? Because he was so worried about him?

getalife

May 16th, 2012
12:02 pm

Paul,

They are just organized union of business people.

Jefferson

May 16th, 2012
12:02 pm

The debt won’t go away and the GOP can’t make it happen, make them show details on how and it won’t add up.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 16th, 2012
12:02 pm

(ir)Rational — “JHM – Well, you got part of that right, the run part.”

if you’d ever been in the Army, they’d have trained you in it as well. XD

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
12:03 pm

‘Is that why Clinton was offered bin Laden 10 times(with better information than obama had) and never acted?’

Complete BS…

getalife

May 16th, 2012
12:03 pm

The real mafia are having turf wars down in Mexico.

Same thing happened during prohibition.

SPC

May 16th, 2012
12:03 pm

By most of these comments, it looks like the class warfare/wealth envy strategy is working well. The debt problem was created by both parties. The solution starts with effective leadership. This is the problem.

josef

May 16th, 2012
12:04 pm

PAUL

I just remembered the one you were talking about. Pennies on the dollar and mostly to the Western nations…

:::::::

O-si-yo, A-de-la Di-se-hi-hi!

They should’ve hired somebody from the Civilized Tribes to do the bead counting, eh? Where’s Ole Levi Colbert when you need him?

F. Sinkwich

May 16th, 2012
12:05 pm

Fortunately for this great country, the Tea Party is alive and well and will usher O’bozo out of office in November.

Book it.

getalife

May 16th, 2012
12:05 pm

“getalife – Think you can write that off as a charitable contribution?”

If I has willard’s lawyers but mine said no.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 16th, 2012
12:05 pm

Seen on the sidebar of this page: “Kissing Angelina Jolie Was ‘Awkward, Sweaty, And Not Very Nice”

GOT to be more to that story. :D

getalife

May 16th, 2012
12:05 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

May 16th, 2012
12:06 pm

Fortunately for this great country, the Tea Party won’t be on the ballot.

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
12:06 pm

JHM – Agreed, link it if you find it.

getalife – Worth a shot, but then again, maybe not.

(ir)Rational

May 16th, 2012
12:07 pm

Oh, and for those of you who don’t yet know, sheets.

Rickster

May 16th, 2012
12:07 pm

Butch… I guess you missed the whole “grow the economy” part of my post.

getalife

May 16th, 2012
12:08 pm

filky thinks willard can win with just the con vote.

No filky, he can’t.

Rickster

May 16th, 2012
12:13 pm

Oscar, I read the article just fine. The problem is that Jay doesn’t want to actually cut any of the programs that need to in order to have a prayer of turning us away from the cliff we’re about to go over.

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
12:16 pm

irrational- Under current law, it is 26 with none of those nasty restrictions like “access to your own insurance” or “being in school.”

temporary setback. Not to worry as the supreme court will be getting rid of that POS law anytime now.

Mighty Righty

May 16th, 2012
12:19 pm

Jay, Jay, Jay, Romney has already contributed more of his money to putting out the “Prarie Fire” than you, Obama and the rest of the libs on this page have.

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
12:23 pm

lord help us- Complete BS..

I’ll start here but see if I can’t find you the good link. http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/9/10/181819.shtml

Paul

May 16th, 2012
12:26 pm

A dad

“Let’s make sure everyone, repeat, EVERYONE, pays the same share (same = fair, no?)”

No. Read the Fair Tax archive links on the right side of the page.and develop some sound counter-arguments, then we can talk.

(ir)Rational

“There is no mafia, Italian, Sicilian or otherwise. Capisce?”

Capisce. Got it. No problemo. whatever you say…

getalife

“They are just organized union of business people.”

Why do I have a picture of Chevy Chase holding a marijuana plant and leading a chorus of “Look for the Union Label”?

Mick

May 16th, 2012
12:32 pm

sink

Ha! The iced tea party alive and well? They are a minority of a minority and will go the way of the dodo bird soon enough. After they screw up this election, it will be their last hurrah..bye bye…

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
12:32 pm

lord help us- Complete BS… (except when it’s true)

Let’s see what the CIA has to say about Clinton going after OBL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe5BFWgGgeY

The Truth

May 16th, 2012
12:35 pm

Lord Help Us

May 16th, 2012
12:39 pm

JKL2, two BS examples down, 8 to go…

Joe Hussein Mama

May 16th, 2012
12:52 pm

JKL, your Newsmax source is incorrect, as they often are.

Clinton wasn’t in a position to have OBL brought to the US as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 WTC bombing, because American law, international law and extradition agreements don’t permit it. OBL would have had to have been *charged or indicted* for Clinton to have had him brought here in 1996. Newsmax speculates that Monica Lewinsky had something to do with it, but it was quite clearly legally undoable. Bringing Lewinsky into the picture just muddies up a very simple distinction.

OBL *was* formally charged after the 1998 African embassy bombings, and Clinton *did* sign off on bringing him to the US at that point, but he never had another golden opportunity like the earlier one — that he legally couldn’t accept.

tiredofIT

May 16th, 2012
12:53 pm

Willard’s wife: “It’s our turn”. I didn’t know there is a waiting list?

John Birch

May 16th, 2012
1:01 pm

Campaign rhetoric means nothing. Remember Hope and Change was going to close Gitmo, reverse the tax cuts for the rich and negotiate our way out of the ME gitmo is still open, the tax cuts are still alive and he even added a 2% vote-buying SS discount when SS was long-term insolvent already, and he sent 50,000 more troops into the lost cause that is Afghanistan.
We need Change in November so there’s some Hope for the future because Obama clearly isn’t the answer.

Shep

May 16th, 2012
1:01 pm

The problem as I see it is that everyone in this country has forgotten how to pitch in, help each other out, and make sacrifices (both rich and poor) to get things done. Think WW II and all of the sacrifice we all bore as a nation vs. the Iraq and Afgan wars where the majority of americans have been asked to give up so little. It is the loss of that spirit and ability that will be then end of this nation as we have known it in the past.

real john

May 16th, 2012
1:01 pm

If we are talking about “fair,” why not the “fair tax” where everyone pays the same???

Don’t look at percentages, look at total dollars amount. Romney pays plenty in total dollars amount.

I’m curious Jay, why not ask George Clooney and all of his friends who paid $40,000k to have dinner with the President. Lets think about that, they paid $40,000k to have dinner with one person. That little fundraiser set an all time record of around $15 million I think. Why don’t they use that money for the “common good” instead of throwing it at one person???

The hypocritcal nature of Dems never ceases to amaze me

Truth

May 16th, 2012
1:03 pm

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, “the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)

May 16th, 2012
1:06 pm

So, no response to my post about the 50% that pay no FEDERAL TAX being required to pay something(even a little). Ok, actually I understand, you can not defend that point. Perhaps if you pay no tax, you are not allowed to vote in Federal or State elections. Boy, would that destroy the Democratic party!

real john

May 16th, 2012
1:09 pm

Also Jay the Repubs are the only ones who are serious about cuts. Everytime they mention a cut, the Chuck Schumers of the world scream to the world how the Repubs are going to cut Grannies social security and thrown them out on the street.

Your article illustrates my exact point …”For example, we already know that health insurance for poor children, nutrition support for low-income families and tuition aid for college students as well as many other programs are being targeted by Republicans for cutbacks. Those vulnerable populations are going to be forced to “take a haircut” on this deal, as Romney and his friends in the investment community like to put it.”"

See as soon as the Repubs propose spending cuts, you and all the other Dems slam them and play scare tactics. You can’t have it both ways. You can blame the Repubs for the deficit and “all talk” and yet, bash every spending cut proposal they make.

Where are the Dems spending cut ideas?? The only thing they come up with are little minor points that make virtually no difference. It easy to always promise to give money…its much tougher to stand up and propose cutting money

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

May 16th, 2012
1:17 pm

A lot of regulars on here missed a good opportunity to have been a lawyer defending this guy.The idea of playing his OWN words, then playing the 4 year later lie, position change etc is to rich. Yes, they ALL do it, but you folks on here pretending Obama hasn’t is just to much. And the end of day, he’s like all the rest….a liar and a flip flopper.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

May 16th, 2012
1:19 pm

real john, great post, but the folks on here are wayyyyyyyyyyyy gone. It cuts one way with them.

I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not

May 16th, 2012
1:22 pm

Lot’s and lot’s more coming out about this guy….yea yea yea,we know, you’ve heard all before, nothing to it…….Not so fast my friends. Some of the main stream is nipping around the edges. Lot’s of smoke. We know there is fire there somewhere.

Sheez Louise

May 16th, 2012
1:29 pm

*laughing uncontrollably*

Peter

May 16th, 2012
1:31 pm

God say it is OK to Kill for Money and Oil….so the GOP get’s a pass going to heaven !

Peter

May 16th, 2012
1:32 pm

Also Jay the Repubs are the only ones who are serious about cuts.

Ok what Republican said this is how we pay for the Iraq War ?

Mission accomplished was Bush’s words !

Peter

May 16th, 2012
1:38 pm

This is how the GOP candidates believe in conservatism…..This is how Bush ran America !

Gingrich’s campaign owed consultants and vendors $4.3 million—including more than $1 million for private jet service and $271,775.58 to the candidate himself for travel expenses.

JKL2

May 16th, 2012
1:52 pm

lord help us- two BS examples down, 8 to go…

Sorry if the truth hurts. It might help if you actually listened to the evidence. You’re not obama and this isn’t Rev Wright’s church.

ken

May 16th, 2012
2:00 pm

The top 20% pay 69.3% of federal taxes. The poor should should say ” ThankYou”

Blue

May 16th, 2012
2:23 pm

Normal Free…And liking it!

May 16th, 2012
9:07 am
I’ll agree that Mitt IS clueless, but he is also typical “Rich Guy”. He has no empathy for those beneath his class. Let the working class eat cake, let the working class’s children fight wars,
let the working class make all the sacrifice. He doesn’t care a long as he and his kind keep theirs. Put out a fire? Hell, he wouldn’t even lend you a hose…

Really? I suggest you look at his charitable giving as a % of his income versus your heros like Obama and Biden. LAUGHABLE…but don’t let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

Blue

May 16th, 2012
2:29 pm

I see…so rich Democrats who are in politics behave differently? Riggghhhhtt…link follows this excerpt.
Democrat Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., is one of them. In 2001, Massachusetts lowered it state income tax rate. But the legislature showed mercy for the Bay State’s guilt-ridden, tax-hike-supporting liberals. The tax form allowed the filer to check a special box — and pay the old, higher rate. Out of more than 3 million tax filers in 2004, a tiny fraction of 1 percent — 930 taxpayers — volunteered to pay the higher rate. Among those who declined the opportunity was Mr. Frank. Frank explained, “I don’t trust the legislative leadership and Gov. (Mitt) Romney to make the right decisions.” Instead, Frank said, “I’ll donate the money myself.” What?! Charity might better spend money than can government, which, by its nature, operates less efficiently and more expensively than can private welfare?

Democrat Sen. Howard Metzenbaum from Ohio (served 1974, 1976-1995) was another tax-supporting Democrat not too keen on paying more in taxes than he needed to. But after retirement, the wealthy Metzenbaum moved to Florida, which, unlike Ohio, is a state with no estate or personal income taxes. This saved him millions.

Democrat John Edwards’ wife Elizabeth, during the 2004 campaign, said rich politicians like her husband reveal “character” when they vote against financial “interest” by supporting higher taxes. This is the same John Edwards who, as a trial lawyer winning big jury awards, established a separate sub-corporation to accept the money, paying him through dividends rather than income. Perfectly legal. But this allowed Edwards to avoid some $600K in Medicare payroll taxes.

http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2012/02/02/creators_oped/page/full/

Peter

May 16th, 2012
2:32 pm

Hey Blue.

How would the Republican’s will pay for the Iraq War ?

How is someone to believe in the GOP when they have stated ” Deficits don’t matter ” ?

Billybob

May 16th, 2012
2:40 pm

jay,
your first couple of sentences went straight to the marxist tenet of class warfare and then you compound your leftism by incenuating that the fix to the debt problem is a big gov’t socialist mentality to raise taxes because those evil rich people should have to pay more to fix it…..the fact is that your party has been taking over by leftists like obama that are beholding to government and gov’t controlling everything and you buy into that……obama’s last three budgets were a joke and the last one was voted down 97 to ZERO and reid has gone over 1000 days without bringing a budget to the floor of the senate…..the radical leftists, reid and obama do not care about fixing our debt problem……
i say the gov’t should stop the damn spending to start the fix to the problem that big gov’t spending folks like you live for jay…..

I’ll enlighten your readers a little with an obama teachable moment….”but given the apparent severity of this crisis”…..’you would think i would not complain the most important thing regarding the debt is to scream for something so insignificant that it would do absolutely nothing to solve the actual debt problem’….’it would reduce the debt by a fraction of a hair on a knat’s ass’….
and the wealthy already do help to the tone of 70% of all taxes………so yes let’s talk about this in public and expose how petty your ilk are and how their fixes to problems aren’t about the actual fix, it’s all about ideology and forwarding leftism……today i say that you have a wall in front of you and are about to hit it and the wall is heading towards you as well and you and the radical dem leaders that you follow will be pushed back immensely……enjoy it, you big gov’t libs deserve it…..

joe

May 16th, 2012
2:42 pm

Let’s ask the same question to all of the uber-weathly Hollywood elitists Democrats who spout off every day about rich people…but when the media poses questions to them about how much THEY should pay (just like Will Smith yesterday), they suddenly shut up.

Peter

May 16th, 2012
3:02 pm

Billybob .. tell us what your party did to fix the economy during the Bush Administration, other then say . Deficits don’t matter ?

Peter

May 16th, 2012
3:04 pm

Billybob……. Because the super wealthy have the most amount of the US wealth, then they shouldn’t pay more taxes ? Is that your argument ?

Don't Forget

May 16th, 2012
3:44 pm

ken

May 16th, 2012
2:00 pm

The top 20% pay 69.3% of federal taxes. The poor should should say ” ThankYou”
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And the top 20% should say “you’re welcome”.

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)

May 16th, 2012
3:56 pm

Don’t Forget@3;44 – Perhaps you are right, but I do not think I’ve ever heard the poor say thank you first?

tiredofIT

May 16th, 2012
4:15 pm

It amazes me how the Republicans never talk about the fall of 2008 when they succeeded in trashing the economy. Not to mention, but I will that the failed in protecting on 9/11.