What’s a (gay) guy gotta do to get some respect?
Tracy Thorne-Begland
Driven by what he calls “a sense of service to your country for a higher purpose,” Tracy Thorne-Begland served for 20 years as a Navy fighter pilot. Following an honorable discharge and after earning his law degree, the married father of two has worked as a prosecutor for the last 12 years in Richmond, Va.
Earlier this year, Thorne-Begland was nominated to become a district court judge in Richmond, a position that requires confirmation by the Virginia General Assembly. His sponsor in the House of Delegates, a Republican from Richmond, calls him “absolutely well-qualified” for the judgeship.
“He’s been doing his job and he’s been doing it well. He’s been protecting us from criminals,” Delegate Manoli Loupassi said. “I have known this man for a very long time and I believe that he absolutely will carry out the duties of his office in a dignified way and a correct way.”
Last night, however, Thorne-Begland’s nomination was rejected, falling 18 votes short of the 51 needed for confirmation.
Why? Because Thorne-Begland is gay and unapologetically out of the closet, living with the man he considers his spouse along with their two adopted children. Social conservatives in Virginia launched a crusade against his nomination, and in an early-morning vote, Virginia Republicans bowed to that pressure.
Delegate Robert G. Marshall, an outspokenly anti-gay Republican, led the attack on Thorne-Begland, focusing on a charge that the former pilot lied about his sexual orientation when he joined the Navy.
“That statement asked the question as to personal sexual behavior: Are you a homosexual,” Marshall said. “To get into the military, Mr. Tracy Thorne-Begland had to sign a statement, ‘No, I am not.’”
According to Marshall and others, Thorne-Begland forfeited his right to serve as a judge even in a low-level city court by being outspoken on political issues such as gay rights. Of course, two other nominees who were confirmed by the House were former state legislators who had also taken public stances on issues.
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0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 15th, 2012
11:49 pm
Proud to be me :
Liberals always try to play the “hate card” with me.
I don’t hate gays. I hate their sin and I hate the “gay agenda”.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 15th, 2012
11:50 pm
Oscar:
But you make my point.
ALL LAW is based on morality ………… despite what liberals try to say.
JKL2
May 15th, 2012
11:51 pm
proud to be me- because someone might dislike a particular black doesn’t mean they dislike all blacks and certainly doesn’t mean they are racists!!
Unless, of course, that guy is obama. Anything said about the great one gets an automatic race card thrown.
Logical Dude
May 15th, 2012
11:52 pm
Scout :”I hate the gay agenda”
Can you tell me what you think the gay agenda is?
I thought it was about being treated like everyone else. Having the same rules as everyone else. and not being treated like second-class citizens.
(gee. . . where have I heard this type of thing before. . . )
Oscar
May 15th, 2012
11:52 pm
I have three daughter, all in the thirties and married with children now. It was and still is pretty nerve wracking worrying about them. Even going to the mall or grocery by themselves.
Logical Dude
May 15th, 2012
11:54 pm
Oscar 11:52, sounds like a normal parent feeling to me.
Oscar
May 15th, 2012
11:55 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
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I don’t disagree about laws being based on morality. I could have said that the line is drawn based on the morality of the people making the decisions. Then you get into disagreements about morality and what is and is not moral.
Thulsa Doom
May 15th, 2012
11:55 pm
Doomy out. Yall have a good night. Geez. Oscar has me now thinking about that daughter of a 2nd cousin. Bad Dooomy . Bad, bad, bad…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 15th, 2012
11:57 pm
Logical Dude:
“No difference at all.”
Oh really? Let’s just be honest here.
Whether you believe mankind was created or evolved ………. gay men are involved in physically destructive mechanics. The male human body was not made for that. That’s why sexual disease is spread so rampantly that way.
Remember the gay “bath houses” in San Francisco? Most of those folks died an early death.
If your gay but not into that I don’t care what you do in the privacy of your home. Love whoever you want. Go to an attorney and draw up a legal contract for inheritance, hospital visits, etc., etc.
Just don’t try to make it into “extra rights” and get my tax money for your dependant !
JKL2
May 15th, 2012
11:58 pm
logical dude- You haven’t actually met any gay people have you? That’s a serious question
Had a gay roommate in college and I have a gay cousin. (sorry for not being PC and saying homosexual, but it’s the term I’ve used my entire life. It’s like calling someone who’s black “African-American” when they couldn’t point out Africa on a map)
As for the rest, you are so clueless it hurts. Feel free to rant on if you like…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 15th, 2012
11:58 pm
Excuse me : “if you’re gay”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 16th, 2012
12:00 am
Oscar:
Seriously ………. get that book for your granddaughters !
Enjoyed the exchange tonight. At least you are one of the civil ones.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 16th, 2012
12:05 am
Logical Dude:
“The Homosexual Agenda, or homosexual ideology, consists of a set of beliefs and objectives designed to promote and even mandate acceptance and approval of homosexuality, and the strategies used to implement such. This article notes that the goals and means of this movement include indoctrinating students in public school, restricting the free speech of opposition, obtaining special treatment for homosexuals, distorting Biblical teaching and science, and interfering with freedom of association. Advocates of the homosexual agenda seek special rights for homosexuals that other people don’t have, such as immunity from criticism (see hate speech, hate crimes). Such special rights will necessarily come at the expense of the rights of broader society.”
http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual_Agenda
“Fighting the Gay Agenda”
http://www.missionamerica.com/agenda.php
Logical Dude
May 16th, 2012
12:06 am
Scout: Just don’t try to make it into “extra rights” and get my tax money for your dependant !
Really? THAT’s what you’re worried about? Tax money that might go to a dependent of a needy parent? Sheesh. Gay or straight, the rules for dependents would be THE SAME. If someone qualifies for support, they can get it. If they don’t qualify for support, they don’t.
Otherwise, what others do in the privacy of their own home doesn’t bother me at all. and for the bath houses comment: Promiscuity is not a solely homosexual trait.
Logical Dude
May 16th, 2012
12:11 am
Scout: you quote a conservapedia article about the “gay agenda”???
Why not go to a website that supports it to see what they say?
http://www.hrc.org/the-hrc-story/about-us
As the largest civil rights organization working to achieve equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Americans,
EQUALITY. Pretty much sums it up.
Logical Dude
May 16th, 2012
12:12 am
For Jay’s Article, it shows that there is still a long way to go for some Americans to support liberty and equality for all.
Logical Dude
May 16th, 2012
12:13 am
Ah well, I guess it’s bed time again. Good chatting again Scout and JKL2.
JKL2
May 16th, 2012
12:15 am
logical dude- Gay or straight, the rules for dependents would be THE SAME. If someone qualifies for support, they can get it. If they don’t qualify for support, they don’t.
Except when your “spouse” now qualifies. It’s all about the benjamins. Thanks for playing.
The Thin Guy
May 16th, 2012
12:18 am
At last Farackup Hussein ØDumbø has found something he can sink his teeth into
http://www.liberalorder.com/2012/05/obama-clooney-and-time-magazine-are-you-nanny-enough.html
other than a dog. Ah The Great Leap Forward. Tallyho.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 16th, 2012
12:20 am
Logical Dude:
Appreciate the polite exchange. We will have to agree to disagree.
However, as time goes on ………… I will not be able to post as I have tonight.
Free speech will be deemed “hate speech” and I will be censored or worse prosecuted.
Such will be the result of the “homosexual agenda”.
TAPS !
JKL2
May 16th, 2012
12:26 am
As a final word on the Demwit utopia tonight, I’ll leave you with this gem: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/see-will-smiths-shocked-reaction-to-frances-proposed-75-tax-rate-after-just-advocating-for-higher-taxes-in-u-s/
Be careful what you wish for…
My $0.02
May 16th, 2012
1:22 am
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
May 15th, 2012
5:29 pm
To become a melting pot, you are demanding people of different and more time tested values, adopt a new set of values promoted and deemed acceptable by the counter culture. Probably not going to happen anytime soon. There is no compromise, so get used to it.
Give me a break. No one is asking you to accept anything. No one is making you get married to a gay. No one is making you use contraception. No one is demanding you get an abortion. It is about tolerance. And yes, gay marriage will happen. The young “counter culture” is all for it and soon old bigots like you will be an extinct specie.
My $0.02
May 16th, 2012
1:24 am
make that specimen……
John Fogarty
May 16th, 2012
2:17 am
Has this article been fact checked?
Did Thorne-Begland serve for 20 years in the Navy?
It seems strange that an aviator would only have the rank of LTJG after serving for 20 years. If he served for 20 years in the Navy and was discharged, he would have been about 45 at the time of discharge, prior to his ‘marriage’.
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
5:48 am
mornin’. Forgive me if this has been raised already (really not going to wade through all the stinky homophobia I’ve already sampled in this thread), but here’s the key political issue for me.
When, pray tell, will there be serious political consequences for people like those Virginia conservatives who’ve made an explicit decision to discriminate against the hiring of an individual based on his sexual orientation, something that’s been out of whack with how most Americans feel for quite a few years now?
when are these representatives targeted with nasty attack ads and ridiculed publicly, with lots of outside-agitator money if necessary?
Unless and until these folks who aid and abet blatant discrimination are roughed up, expect it’ll go on, because at present there ain’t no downside to being a homophobic bigot in America, apparently.
Jack
May 16th, 2012
6:07 am
Break all the rules if being different is your thing. But don’t get upset if you run into a group that does things that don’t agree with your choices. Just move on and find a group that thinks like you do.
Normal Free...And liking it!
May 16th, 2012
6:59 am
Good morning all y’all, hope you had a nice rest.
It’s sort of amazing to me that there are still people out there who insist on vilifying the Gay man and woman. No matter if it’s ignorance or misguided religious beliefs, it’s a bafflement to me how they will not even consider that the Gay man and woman cannot help who they are any more than I can help being white.
I think the ignorant have only to educate themselves and the religious just need to throw away the Old Testament and study the New Testament. Nowhere did their Jesus condemn Gays.
I have known and respected more than a few Gay men and women in my lifetime and I am better off for it. I think they are the salt of the earth. But…bottom line, the times, they are a changin’ …our grand kids will see to that…and that’s a good thing.
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
7:02 am
Break all the rules if being different is your thing. But don’t get upset if you run into a group that does things that don’t agree with your choices. Just move on and find a group that thinks like you do.
WTF is this supposed to mean? Are you saying it’s ok to discriminate against hiring gays? That if one “runs into a group” that won’t hire you, you should just move on?
If so, I’d like to point out just what a fringe-loony view that is, with actual evidence. to wit:
http://pollingreport.com/civil.htm
Going back to 2008, the question was asked: “Do you think there should be equal rights for gays and lesbians in terms of job opportunities”?
87 percent said there should be.
Ain’t many issues where can you get 87% solidarity among Americans, but there’s one.
And yet we still have people who are willing to say that it’s ok to discriminate, you know, this one time, on this one job.
Crazy. Bat-crap crazy.
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
7:09 am
Hey, Jack? if that 2008 polling info isn’t recent enough for ya, here’s something from 2011. And they tossed in the qualifier “transgender” along with “gay” to see how people felt about job discrimination…
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/06/protection_poll.html
Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research fielded the poll of likely 2012 voters in the first and second weeks of April 2011. Nearly three-fourths of voters (73 percent) support protecting gay and transgender people from workplace discrimination. This support cuts across political party affiliation, with 81 percent of Democrats, 74 percent of independents, and 66 percent of Republicans supporting workplace nondiscrimination laws for gay and transgender people.
And yet, fringe-loon ideology like that voted on in the Virginia state legislature, somehow, goes unpunished. Crazy. Bat-crap crazy.
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
7:13 am
Scout: Just don’t try to make it into “extra rights” and get my tax money for your dependant !
Really? THAT’s what you’re worried about? Tax money that might go to a dependent of a needy parent?
When push comes to shove, that’s usually what this is about. Horror at the prospect that some of this selfish, greedy person’s own money *might*, at some point, be used to help someone who isn’t like him.
anyway such selfish, greedy folk don’t even have that much right…
http://articles.marketwatch.com/2009-05-08/commentary/30686581_1_gay-marriage-wedding-industry-couples
But if one were to cite strictly economic rationale for gay marriage, there is a great case to be made for it.
Forbes magazine says an immediate windfall of about $17 billion could be had if gay marriage were made legal nationally. The magazine conducted the analysis several years ago and determined that “one thing is abundantly clear: Legalizing same-sex marriages would mean a windfall for the wedding industry.” Weddings are a $70 billion-a-year business.
In another, long-term analysis, the Christian Science Monitor notes a Congressional Budget Office study, which found that if gay marriage were allowed throughout the United States, it would improve the federal budget’s bottom line.
“The CBO calculates that same-sex couples would boost Social Security spending, because the partner of a deceased worker would receive 100 percent of the worker’s benefit. But the federal government would save money on Supplemental Security Income, Medicaid, and Medicare,” the report says.
Normal Free...And liking it!
May 16th, 2012
7:30 am
No really, can anybody tell me why the Republican Party is so blatantly against Gay rights to the point that they will let their state counterparts to things that are clearly against the law?
The cynical might say it’s because they have nothing else to run on. Anti Gay and Anti Woman…that’s what will get you elected…yeah, right…
Mick
May 16th, 2012
7:30 am
Sin? There is no more sin; Sin went out with the sixties…
Soothsayer
May 16th, 2012
7:33 am
Jay, I apologize for 8:58 (pm). I got a little carried away.
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
7:34 am
No really, can anybody tell me why the Republican Party is so blatantly against Gay rights to the point that they will let their state counterparts to things that are clearly against the law?
Normal, I’ll say it again–there’s just not enough immediate downside for them if they behave this way. And the upside is, they continue to get financial and logistical support from the radical clerics that are still calling the shots in a lot of Red America.
Doggone/GA
May 16th, 2012
7:38 am
“No really, can anybody tell me why the Republican Party is so blatantly against Gay rights to the point that they will let their state counterparts to things that are clearly against the law?”
It comes down to playing on the fears of the voters. They can’t think of any positive ways to get people to vote for them…so they use fear to get votes.
Mick
May 16th, 2012
7:39 am
sooth
I dunno but in retrospect, your 8:58 doesn’t really seem to be all that bad…who knows???
Mick
May 16th, 2012
7:45 am
Here’s one for doomy-
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/15/mitt-romney-debt-speech-inferno_n_1519253.html
Yes, republicans ignore key facts, that they do…
Jm
May 16th, 2012
7:48 am
Gallup
Romney polling bett er on the economy by a large margin
Uh oh
Rightwing Troll
May 16th, 2012
7:51 am
What a joke. Chest pounders and porch dogs sitting here night after night on Jay’s libural blog defending Amurikkka, some quoting scripture in support of their hate and bigotry.
Again I ask, what exactly can we let “those” people do? They can’t marry, cause marriage is a sacred institution (even though 75% of all marriages end up in divorce). They can’t defend their country (even though their country won’t defend them, some of them still wish to). And now they can’t participate in the judiciary.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
May 16th, 2012
7:53 am
Wealth dissappearing?
Roving hungry gangs of teens pestering you and yours?
Do you hear the faint howling of unslipped Dogs of war?
.
No fear.
.
LOOK!
There goes a Gay Fighter pilot.
.
ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
7:53 am
He wasn’t a vulture capitalist. He was a pu$$y capitalist. It’s like having your friends hold down a gay classmate while you cut his hair. No, wait. It’s like paying someone to do the cutting while you watch and jack off at the sight.
TaxPayer
May 16th, 2012
7:54 am
It comes down to playing on the fears of the voters. They can’t think of any positive ways to get people to vote for them…so they use fear to get votes.
Amen to that. The Republicans have no positive message to offer to the masses.
Thomas
May 16th, 2012
7:54 am
Needy States Use Housing Aid Cash to Plug Budgets
Gotta love gov’t- kind of like your college kid using tuition $ for beer.
thebob.bob
May 16th, 2012
7:55 am
Will the Commonwealth of Virginia enact an anti-gay “stand your ground” law? If gays make you fear for your marriage or make you nervous then you can’t be held liable if you “stand your ground” and fire them, don’t rent to them, don’t serve them at restaurants, etc..
Fear, Hatred, Distortion, Distraction and Division is all Republicans have to offer America.
TaxPayer
May 16th, 2012
7:57 am
I think gays should seek out jobs in retirement homes and in the medical profession but not come out until the most opportune moment presents itself such as during scout’s annual exam.
Mick
May 16th, 2012
7:57 am
**The Republicans have no positive message to offer to the masses.**
Yet, they have a following of people who will continue to vote against their best interests, incredible…
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
8:01 am
Gotta love gov’t
Anyone else really sick of hearing “government” used as a pejorative?
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
8:03 am
If gays make you fear for your marriage or make you nervous then you can’t be held liable if you “stand your ground” and fire them, don’t rent to them, don’t serve them at restaurants, etc..
I can totally see the current SCOTUS going 5-4 to validate such a law.
Mick
May 16th, 2012
8:03 am
A refresher-
pe·jor·a·tive [ pə jáwrətiv ] expressing disapproval
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
May 16th, 2012
8:03 am
Dude needs to hang out in public bathrooms so he can get to know the GOP leaders better.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
May 16th, 2012
8:07 am
Larry Craig knows how to get this guy through the system.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
May 16th, 2012
8:09 am
Anyone else really sick of hearing “government” used as a pejorative?
.
Never.
Conversely,,,,,,,,,,I am sick of having govt worshipped.
.
Must be those govt vaccines or govt diet guidelines.
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
8:10 am
They can’t defend their country (even though their country won’t defend them, some of them still wish to)
Reminds me of something Abe Lincoln wrote, emphasis mine:
“You say that you will not fight to free negroes. Some of them seem to be willing to fight for you — but no matter. Fight you then, exclusively, to serve the Union. I issued the Proclamation on purpose to aid you in saving the Union.
“Whenever you shall have conquered all resistance to the Union, if I shall urge you to continue fighting, It will be an apt time then for you to declare that you will not fight to free negroes.
I thought that in your struggle for the Union, to whatever extent the negroes should cease helping the enemy, to that extent it weakened the enemy in his resistance to you. Do you think differently? I thought that whatever negroes can be got to do as soldiers, leaves just so much less for white soldiers to do in saving the Union. Does it appear otherwise to you? But negroes, like other people, act upon motives. Why should they do anything for us if we will do nothing for them? If they stake their lives for us they must be prompted by the strongest motive, even the promise of their freedom. And the promise being made, must be kept.”
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
8:11 am
I am sick of having govt worshipped.
What constitutes “worship”? Cite examples, please.
skipper
May 16th, 2012
8:14 am
North Carolina spoke pretty loudly…………
JKL2
May 16th, 2012
8:14 am
doggone- It comes down to playing on the fears of the voters. They can’t think of any positive ways to get people to vote for them…so they use fear to get votes
You were talking about Rebulicans? Why bring up the Democrat platform?
Thomas Heyward Jr.
May 16th, 2012
8:16 am
Obama on The View: ‘Don’t compare me to the almighty; compare me to the alternative’;
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 16th, 2012
8:18 am
government worshipped?
oh Thomas such silliness.
Of course a little respect is due our fellow Americans who keep our
government operational.
The government is us afterall…
But worship? Golly you sure have a knack for exaggeration.
kayaker 71
May 16th, 2012
8:18 am
You liberals crow on about “tolerance” when you are among the most intolerant people this country has ever seen. Your “tolerance” of Christians is deplorable. Your “tolerance” of people like Sarah Palin is disgusting. Your “tolerance” of people owning and protecting themselves with firearms is one for the books. You “tolerate” what you want to tolerate and nothing more. So give us all a break, liberals. You have no “tolerance”.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 16th, 2012
8:21 am
thomas
considering the alternatives so far presented to us by the GOP….
and the Messiah silliness y’all toss about
seems like a spot on statement.
Mick
May 16th, 2012
8:24 am
yaker
I can tolerate palin, just never expect me to vote for a fraud like her. Christians are not tolerated? That’s news to me. The gun culture? Which nation has the most homicides on earth? Ain’t that america???
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
8:25 am
Kayaker @ 8.18, shucks, I guess I should be tolerant of ranters and ravers whose entire political ideology is basically “wahh wahh wahh my wee-wee hurts and you liberals are to blame.”
Thanks for making me aware of this gaping crack in my ethical foundation.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 16th, 2012
8:25 am
k 71
we liberals are extremely tolerant of christians….
you see a large number of us are followers of the fisherman
that said, christians who loudly and proudly speak against that which
Jesus Christ taught – need to have their false witness exposed.
and frankly, your daily level of hate displays immense intolerance
for the teachings of said fisherman.
be sure, we do not mistake you for a christian.
curious
May 16th, 2012
8:26 am
kayaker,
very tolerant of you, i must say.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
May 16th, 2012
8:27 am
Granny——–
“The government is us afterall…
But worship? Golly you sure have a knack for exaggeration.”
.
You have a knacker for exaggeration also.
I am NOT the government. I do not subscribe to your collective silliness.
If I truly were “the government” ……for the sake of liberty ….I would strangle myself in the bathtub.
TaxPayer
May 16th, 2012
8:29 am
kayaker seems to lack a basic understanding of tolerance.
TaxPayer
May 16th, 2012
8:30 am
If I truly were “the government” ……for the sake of liberty ….I would strangle myself in the bathtub.
Whatever sinks your rubber ducky. After all, it is in the privacy of your own tub.
Doggone/GA
May 16th, 2012
8:31 am
“You were talking about Rebulicans”
Nope, sorry. Never heard of Rebulicans before.
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
8:33 am
Kayaker, your bleatings about tolerance aside–do you think the Virginia legislature did the right thing in discriminating against Tracy Thorne-Begland based on his sexual orientation, or don’t you?
kayaker 71
May 16th, 2012
8:34 am
Granny, 8:25,
Never said I was a Christian. I am not. However, I support your right to worship as you please without being constantly harassed by a liberal ACLU and a liberal media hellbent on relegating you to the back of the bus. You might be a Christian with values which far surpass the rest of the liberals on this leftist love fest. I don’t agree with you much, however I do have respect for your opinion. That’s called tolerance. Palin and her family, on the other hand, was maligned, taunted, intimidated, vilified….. and for what, being the same kind of Christian that your are, worshiping the same God however having a different spin on politics. When it comes to politics, all of the rules change and you know it. So save your proclamations for someone who deserves it. Your slip is showing.
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
8:35 am
I guess those buzzkill Sunday 7th-inning stretch renderings of “God Bless America” might constitute “government worship.”
So I guess I’d draw the line there.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 16th, 2012
8:35 am
Thomas
Yes, sir you are the government.
You do vote don’t you?
Strangle in the bathtub? Well you could I suppose…but why not just let your self drown? No need to re-invent th wheel.
Now Thomas thinks “We the People” is collective silliness.
Isn’t that special?
JKL2
May 16th, 2012
8:36 am
granny- and frankly, your daily level of hate displays immense intolerance for the teachings of said fisherman.
ROFL on your use of “fisherman” since you are such a strong follower of the “give a man a fish” party.
TaxPayer
May 16th, 2012
8:38 am
Palin’s rants were not tolerated! Was she jailed. Were laws passed prohibiting her free speech…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 16th, 2012
8:39 am
k 71
You may note my post points out we would never mistake you for a christian.
You underscore that with every post.
JKL2
Got any fake quotes today?
ALways so amusing.
kayaker 71
May 16th, 2012
8:40 am
std, 8:33,
I fully support Mr. Begland’s choice of being gay and would also support his choice for the judgeship that he was denied. He served his country for twenty years and does not deserve the treatment he is getting. Under no circumstances would I deny him to the right to have a civil union with his partner, enjoying the same legality that traditional marriage affords. What I do object to, however, is the gross hypocrisy of the liberals on this blog as far as what they “tolerate”. They tolerate what they damn well please and nothing more.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 16th, 2012
8:43 am
kayaker
we tolerate you…..
JamVet
May 16th, 2012
8:43 am
Neocon writings are utterly perverse.
I remember when Republicans were proudly PRO-American.
Now?
They would call Thomas Jefferson and the other Founding Fathers communists…
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
8:44 am
K-71 @ 8.40, I’m glad that you, like a decent chunk of self-identifying conservatives here, agree that what the VA legislature did is wrong.
I don’t understand your outsized outrage at perceived intolerance, however. I don’t even know what set you off about it, this morning.
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
8:45 am
and I’ll say again, for about the 1000th time, that I’m not especially tolerant of what I perceive as willful ignorance on the part of others. I can patiently explain things to another person if I need to. Once.
After that, you’ll get deserved scorn from me.
kayaker 71
May 16th, 2012
8:46 am
Granny, 8:43,
Thanks, Granny. That gives me a tingle up the leg.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 16th, 2012
8:48 am
k 71
lovely.
now perhaps you’ll seek your tingles at home where it’s appropriate.
kayaker 71
May 16th, 2012
8:51 am
std, 8:45,
That’s called opinion. What some people call it willful ignorance others call sage knowledge. Every time I see a person with a Bozo bumper sticker, on their back bumper, I feel the same type of scorn that you mention. Your “explanation” of your spin on things is much different than mine. Does that mean that I deserve your “scorn”? I think not.
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
8:56 am
Every time I see a person with a Bozo bumper sticker, on their back bumper, I feel the same type of scorn that you mention.
Why would you assume that any given Obama supporter is especially scornful/intolerant?
I have a few things that go through my mind when I see a Romney sticker these days, but presumption that the person is mean and nasty isn’t one of them
stands for decibels
May 16th, 2012
8:57 am
Anyway, producin’ awaits. Might be back when/if Jay’s got something new for us to chew on…
kayaker 71
May 16th, 2012
9:01 am
std, 8:56,
Guess I am a little more like you than I would care to admit. We both have our solid opinions regarding where we are headed and I continue to be amazed that anyone could vote for this ignoramus in the WH, but perhaps we should leave it at that. Off to paddle the new canoe in the lake. Maybe a little serenity is what the day calls for.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
May 16th, 2012
9:01 am
Kayaker, which laws have we passed to limit Sarah Palin from doing what she does?
What laws have we voted for to curb christian worship activities?
Tolerance is not what this is about.
Normal Free...And liking it!
May 16th, 2012
9:01 am
kayaker 71
May 16th, 2012
8:51 am
It IS called opinion, but you are a zealot. You can see no side but yours. You remind me of this wannabe Sky Pilot, who was always spouting fire and brimstone, always so angry that the world was what it was and was always wishing damnation on those who did not share his view. I made fun of him, I debated him and he too accused me of “scorn”. He had to because that was the only way he could justify his way. I didn’t scorn him…I thought he was very funny. Just do as I do…laugh. I laugh at myself as much as I laugh at you, but I DO laugh. Come laugh at My “Obama 2012″ bumper sticker.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
May 16th, 2012
9:01 am
Who buggers who is no one’s business but the buggies.
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Getting govt involved is proof of the de-evolution of a govt dominated society.
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sad.
Paul
May 16th, 2012
9:01 am
There is just so much I do not understand.
Like how the conservative House Republicans can be for reduced government spending, abiding by deficit reduction plans, against earmarks, against special interest spending and against stimulus-like spending
Yet they pass a Defense Authorization Bill that adds $8 Billion to what the military has asked for, keeps the military from retiring old aircraft they don’t need, forces them to keep using weapons that are more expensive that others, forces them to build a new installation the military says is unnecessary…. and it goes on and on?
So House Republicans are adding $8 billion to keep and create jobs and spend money on stuff we don’t need and they promise to spend 15 times that amount if they take the White House?
I’m all ears and ready to be educated.
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/05/15/3962982/white-house-threatens-veto-of.html
Paul
May 16th, 2012
9:02 am
Oh yeah…
G’morning, all!
Peadawg
May 16th, 2012
9:07 am
“I’m all ears and ready to be educated.”
Good luck getting educated…I don’t get it either.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 16th, 2012
9:13 am
Thomas
Government should not be involved in providing civil rights for it’s citizens?
Really?
Golly that’s silly.
Mick
May 16th, 2012
9:14 am
**Every time I see a person with a Bozo bumper sticker, on their back bumper, I feel the same type of scorn that you mention**
I definately know that feeling, used to get it every time I see a bush/cheney bumper sticker. Why anyone would want to ruin a perfectly good blank bumper is beyond me…
lovelyliz
May 16th, 2012
9:29 am
“Why is homosexuality more egregious to the right than adultery?” and EATING PORK/SHELLFISH?
Are they going to start outing people who dine at Red Lobster?
Adam
May 16th, 2012
9:38 am
http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/05/15/straight-white-male-the-lowest-difficulty-setting-there-is/
And maybe now you begin to understand….
Joseph
May 16th, 2012
9:38 am
The great state of Virginia does not recognize homosexual marriage. Therefore the guy he lives with is simply a roommate. Not a spouse as you put it. Failing by 18 votes and saying it’s all because he’s a homo is ridiculous and you know it Jay. Obviously they have someone more qualified in mind…
John Fogarty
May 17th, 2012
6:11 am
Fact check this article. 20 years in the Navy, Jay?
Pat
May 18th, 2012
10:20 am
What I believe – from a personal or religious point of view – about homosexuality is irrelevant to whether or not this man should serve his country, in the military or in Congress.
Even if I believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible, which teaches that homosexual acts are immoral, my take is that I shouldn’t take that to mean the person is immoral to the degree that they’re unfit and undeserving of opportunities the rest of us take for granted. If everyone had to pass a Biblical morals test, we’d have no one in the military, or in Congress, I assure you.
Believing and following Biblical principles doesn’t make me a “bigot,” progressives — nor should it require that I become one, conservative Christians. I think this individual has proven himself loyal and patriotic and more than fit for public office. That doesn’t mean I have to endorse his private lifestyle.