GOP strategy on defense: Spend more, LOTS more
Last year, we spent more on our military than at any point since World War II, even after adjusting for inflation. But according to House Republicans, it isn’t enough.
Instead of cutting defense spending after our withdrawal from Iraq and pending wind-down from Afghanistan, they want to increase it. As U.S. Rep. Randy Forbes, R-Va., a member of the House Armed Services Committee, told CNN, “we’re moving dangerously close to the point where I don’t think we’ll be able to guarantee the security of the United States of America.”
That is also the position of GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney. Instead of drawing down the number of active-duty personnel after the buildup to handle deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan, Romney proposes to increase active-duty troop levels by 100,000.
Romney also wants to spend a minimum of 4 percent of our gross domestic product on defense each year. In 2016 alone, that would mean an 18 percent increase — roughly another $100 billion a year — in projected spending on defense.
Again, this is what it looks like to be “dangerously close to the point where we won’t be able to guarantee the security of the United States of America”.
Source: International Institute of Strategic Studies
As the chart demonstrates, we spend 1.5 times as much on defense as the next nine biggest countries combined, and five of those nine are close U.S. allies who would be on our side in any fight.
– Jay Bookman
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wet wiccan
May 14th, 2012
1:53 pm
U.S. Dept. of Defense has 8 separate intelligence gathering agencies: AFISRA, INSCOM, DIA, MCIA, NGA, NRO, NSA, ONI. This, in addition to the OTHER intelligence gathering agencies that are not in the DOD.
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
U.S. Dept. Of Energy: OICI
U.S. Dept. Of Homeland Security: I&A, CGI
U.S. Dept. Of Justice: FBI, DEA/ONSI
U.S. Dept. Of State: INR
U.S. Dept. Of the Treasury: TFI
Could there be some overlap here? Parts of these budgets are “classified”, so who knows how much all this costs. How many of these agencies spy on us?
Oh, and get rid of the TSA.
Fred ™
May 14th, 2012
1:53 pm
JHM: Like this lol?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gLN3QoN-q8
DannyX
May 14th, 2012
1:55 pm
Romney’s proposal to increase in military spending doesn’t translate in more support from veterans.
A new Reuters poll of veterans has Obama leading Romney by 7 points.
Veterans
Obama 44%
Romney 37%
Surprise, surprise.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
May 14th, 2012
1:59 pm
Fred:
I hear you but in my opinion you still need one good airborne division for a worst case situation.
There are places due to distance from the coast, altitude, etc. where a helicopter assault would just not be feasible.
All options should be open.
Recon 0311 2533
May 14th, 2012
2:00 pm
Reuters and the A/P
No surprise.
Oblama
May 14th, 2012
2:00 pm
I’m for reducing the big spenders in Congress for either party: Term Limits.
TaxPayer
May 14th, 2012
2:02 pm
It’s time to pull the plug on funding for the Republican’s war on women. They may not need women but the rest of us do.
JamVet
May 14th, 2012
2:04 pm
Veterans
Obama 44%
Romney 37%
The consequences of a suddenly soft on national security GOP.
And Flip is way to big a candyass to be CiC. (Too much time spent in France trying to tun the frogs into false Christians with funny underwear!)
Given his own words, he wouldn’t have even gone after OBL. How pathetic is that?
But like that last idiot GOP prez, once he got the Napoleon syndrome, he too would probably invade the wrong country just to try and prove to his his idiot voters that he wasn’t a wimp…
Stevie Ray...Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right here I am....
May 14th, 2012
2:04 pm
Does anyone have an idea if this idiotic defense spending increase proposes anything new or substantatively different from priors spends?
Union
May 14th, 2012
2:06 pm
don’t forget that we are going to need to be able to defend ourselves against the mexican drug cartels.. another 49 “headless” bodies found.. sheesh..
Oblama
May 14th, 2012
2:09 pm
gone today – here tomorrow.
curious
May 14th, 2012
2:11 pm
Invade Cuba now!
Nice beaches, climate, and we can keep travel costs down.
St Simons - we're on Island time
May 14th, 2012
2:11 pm
Really Republicans??….Really? A missle defense system on the East Coast?? I think the GOP has gone looney. Give the red necks a Lee Greenwood cassette, some bottle rockets and a few fire crackers so They can smell gunpowder, come out a lot cheaper.
Union
May 14th, 2012
2:13 pm
we create our own wasteful spending in all branches of govt. remember at the end of the fiscal year the supply folks would come by and say we had x dollars left to spend.. if we didnt spend it this year, then we may not get it next year.. so we always seemed to spend it on stuff we didnt need. go figure.
Oblama
May 14th, 2012
2:13 pm
If you don’t have $40,000 to pay for a George Clooney fund raising dinner for Oblama then you are not part of the crowd handling Oblama. Your opinion doesn’t count.
getalife
May 14th, 2012
2:13 pm
We have a term limit in November but need real term limits.
It is working here.
Union,
It was the same thing during prohibition which made Joe Kennedy a very rich man.
Paul
May 14th, 2012
2:14 pm
Stevie Ray
I’d imagine it’s like Ryan’s deficit reduction plan.
Specifics will be worked out by someone else.
Romney did say 100,000 more troops. I’m guessing that’ll be more than any time in the past 20 years.
Michael
May 14th, 2012
2:15 pm
Fred and Yum Yum,
Other posters have already the Reuters survey, so I won’t repeat that. Also, as a Viet vet, I too am interested in this change. The Ron Paul advantage among vets in primaries stemmed from his oppostition to the wars.
For me, this has gone full circle, as I was born during the term of Franklin Roosevelt – the most successful Commander in Chief of the 20th Century.
Billybob
May 14th, 2012
2:15 pm
jay bookman meet the constitution and then leon panetta……that is all
Bernie
May 14th, 2012
2:19 pm
(10) Ten years fighting a WAR in a country without a standing Army,Navy, Coast Guard, Air Force, Reserves or Marines. No missiles, tanks, jets, cargo planes, supply or stock piles of weapons, personnel carriers nor helicopters. with all of these things and still spent over $100 BILLION! in fiscal yare 2010. Think on that one….. Something in my gut, tells me money is not the answer to the problem with the Department of Defense.
Mitt Romoney wants to spend MORE…………… How sensible is that?
bob
May 14th, 2012
2:22 pm
And how does Panetta differ from repubs ?
Peter
May 14th, 2012
2:23 pm
Defense budget…a wonderful way to Bilk American’s.
Talk about a Rip off….
Cheney did it best with cost plus contracts………. send your workers on expensive vacations and allow the American public to pay for it…….That is how the GOP looks after your money !
jm
May 14th, 2012
2:26 pm
US value also currently inflated by Afghanistan efforts
Peter
May 14th, 2012
2:26 pm
Bernie ….The defense department gets a pass all the time……. incredible wasteful because the GOP and cost plus contracts are part of the plan.
And yes the GOP are out there sending equipment and troops all over the world to protect Corporate America.
Fly-On-The-Wall
May 14th, 2012
2:28 pm
In case all you Righty-Tighties need more evidence that you are the problem here is a word from one of your own: http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/14/opinion/frum-mann-ornstein/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7
Not Part of Romney's Flock
May 14th, 2012
2:28 pm
“US value also currently inflated by Afghanistan efforts”
And none of that is offset by the decrease in spending in Iraq?
GT
May 14th, 2012
2:28 pm
.There are intelligent, in other worlds, people who try to tell me the defense spending is nothing compared to the rest of the budget, that it has not increased but has decreased. If there was a way to put some light on these misinformed, suck out all the “facts” they harbor to keep them on the right, make them deal with reality,I don’t even think we would have an election, O would win by default.
Now the other thing about this. Not only are these fanatical people who sleep with their guns waiting for God knows what, facilitating this hell we call war, but we are losing in about every front we carry it out in. I was reading 40 something headless bodies being found in Mexico, in that drug war to feed this county’s, USA, habit. They are killing each other for the honor to get into a business we have declared war on, like our threat alone is not enough to fend them off. The biggest effect, we could have, on this industry would be to make it legal, not declare war, declare peace and half of Mexico will declare bankruptcy. Our wars support a lot more evil than we book in the budget. As we leave Iraq the very thugs we went over there to destroy are moving into our trillion dollar renovation, better than they were when we came to shock and aw them.
jm
May 14th, 2012
2:38 pm
““US value also currently inflated by Afghanistan efforts”
And none of that is offset by the decrease in spending in Iraq?”
Afghanistan and Iraq are not the same country
Not Part of Romney's Flock
May 14th, 2012
2:42 pm
Jm
No one said it was smart ass.
You posted
“US value also currently inflated by Afghanistan efforts”
I asked isn’t some of that spend being offset via the decrease in spending in Iraq.
If stating “value” had nothing to do with spend then I apologize.
No need to be a punk
Fred ™
May 14th, 2012
2:43 pm
Michael
May 14th, 2012
2:15 pm
Fred and Yum Yum,
Other posters have already the Reuters survey, so I won’t repeat that.
++++++++++++++++++++
I saw that after I posted. Thanks.
(ir)Rational
May 14th, 2012
2:51 pm
So, I’m sure this has been pointed out already today (but I’m not sure who has time to go through 8 pages of comments), but hasn’t Jay already done this topic just a few weeks/months ago. Same graphic and everything?
Stevie Ray...Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right here I am....
May 14th, 2012
2:55 pm
I’m wondering if Mitt wins, will he waste as much money as his predecessor did on stimulus and what he proposes to waste on healthcare….shapes up to be quite the competition…
Stevie Ray...Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right here I am....
May 14th, 2012
2:57 pm
irRational,
Jay i suspect does his best to keep us entertained beating each other up over various issues…why waste quality blogging time bashing him relative to what and where his topics may have originated…it just doesn’t matter….
Jefferson
May 14th, 2012
2:57 pm
Romney will only use gov’t to enrich the rich.
(ir)Rational
May 14th, 2012
2:57 pm
Whew, I was going back through Jay’s old posts and was starting to think I was crazy. I’m sure you’ll all be relieved to know that I’m not.
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/03/22/are-we-prepared-to-right-size-our-defense-commitment/
(ir)Rational
May 14th, 2012
3:00 pm
Stevie Ray – I’m just pointing out that Jay is merely rehashing old subjects, complete with the same graphics. He wraps them up really nicely in new packaging, but the message is still the same. Neanderthal republicans want to spend too much, republicans bad, democrats want to spend
the same money on other programsless, democrats good.Joe Hussein Mama
May 14th, 2012
3:06 pm
(ir)Rational — “hasn’t Jay already done this topic just a few weeks/months ago. Same graphic and everything?”
Green blogging! Recycling of topics! 100% post-consumer blog content!
Corey
May 14th, 2012
3:07 pm
Jay, a free and paranoid people enabled by their leaders- some of whom demand that we be too afraid to attend worship without guns- breeds a pay any price to guarantee that our imagined fears do not come to fruition mindset.
(ir)Rational
May 14th, 2012
3:09 pm
JHM – Even some of the same comments. Seriously. I find it both scary and predictable at the same time.
(ir)Rational
May 14th, 2012
3:10 pm
JHM – This might be “blog recycling” but this is green blogging.
http://www.originalgreen.org/blog/
barking frog
May 14th, 2012
3:11 pm
An up or down non-partisan
vote every four years for
all federal judges is a term
limit I would like. Up vote
the judge continues. Down
vote the judge goes home
and the president appoints
a new judge to be confirmed
by Senate.
(ir)Rational
May 14th, 2012
3:14 pm
barking frog – That makes sense. But at the same time, I see judges knowing they’re not going to be kicked off at some politician’s whim as a good thing (sometimes). That is the only way they’re able to make the tough decisions that the federal government/state governments don’t always like.
Joseph
May 14th, 2012
3:15 pm
Ya’ll better get the full bore damage controll going for this Jay! Obama accused of sexaul harassment while at Harvard Review….
http://www.thegopnet.com/obama-accused-of-sexual-harassment-while-at-harvard-law-review-35087
Joseph
May 14th, 2012
3:16 pm
Now we know why he supports homosexauls….
http://www.thegopnet.com/obama-accused-of-sexual-harassment-while-at-harvard-law-review-35087
stands for decibels
May 14th, 2012
3:17 pm
(ir), Jay does point that he’s re-using the chart, by beginning graf #5 with “again.”
Not sure why it’s so awful to re-use a chart like that but, whatever.
barking frog
May 14th, 2012
3:18 pm
(ir)Rational
I mean an up or down vote
by the people in the district
on a ballot.
Not Part of Romney's Flock
May 14th, 2012
3:18 pm
“JHM – Even some of the same comments. Seriously. I find it both scary and predictable at the same time.”
If someone’s opinion on any given issue hadn’t changed in two months, who wouldn’t find the comments predictable?
Regardless of your opinion on this topic, is it the the same, some what the same or different from the last time JB posted this information?
Joseph
May 14th, 2012
3:19 pm
http://thekansascitian.blogspot.com/2011/11/barack-obama-accused-by-two-men-of.html
JamVet
May 14th, 2012
3:21 pm
The Gopnet?
Didn’t they use to sell that right next to the National Inquirer at the grocery store checkout?
(Ronald Reagan and Elvis still the most popular among extra-terrestrials!)
Joseph
May 14th, 2012
3:22 pm
JamVet:
Dems used the same tactic to run Herman Cain back on the plantation… Sux to be an Obama supporter… LOL…
JamVet
May 14th, 2012
3:24 pm
Herman Cain? Do you mean back to the asylum?
I wonder if he and his fellow womanizer from Georgia have gone to any clubs lately?
Nein, nein, nein!
Not Part of Romney's Flock
May 14th, 2012
3:24 pm
“Dems used the same tactic to run Herman Cain back on the plantation”
Cain was running in a Democrat Primary?
Seems he had a few guys named Romney, Gingrich and Santorum who gained most for him to be gone
St Simons - we're on Island time
May 14th, 2012
3:26 pm
if women ran the pentagon, would missiles be shaped differently?
JamVet
May 14th, 2012
3:29 pm
Alas, Joseph and his really bad memory.
Maybe he can research who Herman said initially leaked the story about his gropefests…
stands for decibels
May 14th, 2012
3:30 pm
Here’s a link to that Reuters poll of veterans:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/13/us-usa-poll-military-idUSBRE84C02120120513
josef
May 14th, 2012
3:31 pm
And a happy Monday…
What some purty graphs…
I also see Ole Jaybird didn’t leave the one below up for a long time as the lead comment of the day…long winded, and funny as all get out… but that’s just my warped and twisted sense of humor…
Anyway, what’s the real kvetch of the day?
TaxPayer
May 14th, 2012
3:34 pm
Herman Cain! I do believe he ran in the GOP primary and was brought down by the GOP. But don’t let the facts get in your way, Joseph. No sense in breaking from tradition now.
Don
May 14th, 2012
3:34 pm
Shouldn’t we figure out what job we want the military to do before we figure out what % GDP we should budget for it?
This DOES sound a lot like Eisenhower vs. Congress, with the party roles reversed this time.
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
May 14th, 2012
3:37 pm
Off topic, but I haven’t seen Kamchak on here for a while. Did he change his name or if there a problem?
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
May 14th, 2012
3:37 pm
uh, is.
josef
May 14th, 2012
3:38 pm
JHM
“Green blogging! ”
Thass funny! We got a lot of that…
josef
May 14th, 2012
3:39 pm
GMARE
K’chak is sometimes out for a few days at a time…he’s a long time regular…was here when I got here…
John Birch
May 14th, 2012
3:42 pm
Defense is so expensive because the pansy liberals don’t have the stomach for real fighting. Ever since the militant left protesters forced a retreat and surrender in Vietnam we have operated with a gloved fist. A lot of the Middle East expense has gone to bribery, school and hospital construction and a bunch of other mamby-pamby crap the libs demand. Likewise all the boots on the ground are only necessary to attempt to distinguish the alleged friendlies from the terrorists. 500 pound bomb them until there’s nothing left. Use the troops over here to round up the illegals then ship them to the middle east and let them have what they make of it and keep the oil pumping. That’s the Birch plan, unlike that insane Marshall Plan approach the libs require.
Not Part of Romney's Flock
May 14th, 2012
3:44 pm
John Birch
Thanks for your service.
What branch did you serve in and what years?
JamVet
May 14th, 2012
3:44 pm
jo, just that I spent some time in a foxhole in England!
Clean up on aisle 3:42…
Jefferson
May 14th, 2012
3:46 pm
My little sister could woop birch left handed, just sayin’
251 more days
May 14th, 2012
3:46 pm
Can anyone give me a non political reason why the sexual complaints should not be investigated?
It seems we are on the verge of the nastiest campaign we have ever seen, there will be more allocations against both candidates to come, and if that is the case, we need to know the truth of either slander.
Why don’t you want to know if it is true or not, and just because you say it isn’t, doesn’t make it so
barking frog
May 14th, 2012
3:46 pm
josef,G Mare
Kam was a regular on
Cynthia Tuckers blog also
She has a blog with a little
different format now. Don’t
know if he goes there or not.
It’s not AJC.
josef
May 14th, 2012
3:47 pm
John Birch
I’m going to give you benefit of the doubt and read that as one of Bill Orvis’ missives. Otherwise you’re just plumb full of sh*t…Winston Churchill called the Marshall Plan “the most unsordid act in human history…” And it would behoove you to go back and read in “Plain Speaking” where Truman came up with idea…Confederate Heritage Liberals…what a concept!
Not Part of Romney's Flock
May 14th, 2012
3:47 pm
251
Sounds like it is being investigated or fabricated, hence the article
Jm
May 14th, 2012
3:48 pm
Not part of romney’s 2:42
I can’t help you bud
If you have a base budget of say $400mm, Iraq adds to base say $100mm and Afghanistan adds $120mm for total of $620
Iraq is gone. Now $520. So savings from Iraq since its over doesn’t offset anything.
Silliness. Math not your thing apparently
Just sayin
josef
May 14th, 2012
3:48 pm
Frog
Me and the Romany’ll stay away for Sister C…
DBCOOPER
May 14th, 2012
3:49 pm
What percentage of GDP do those countries spend on social services? Since 1945 or 1965 trillion have been spent on Welfare or social programs. Only poverty is at virtually the same level. What proportion of GDP do the following countries spend on education? Last I checked the U.S was second on spending per student. I would submit we are well ahead of most industrial nations on education spending. Yet we have been falling over the last 30 years in most educational categories.
However, it can be argued that military spending and what we actually get for our military dollar come the closest matching up. Some say the military is the only government service that actually works. None of the other trillions spent on education and social programs have done much actually the situations have worsened. Whether you agree with the implementation of how the military is used? It has quantifiable success. Cold War, Humanitarian missions all over the world. I would submit the dollar spent on military goes further than a dollar spent on social hand-outs.
josef
May 14th, 2012
3:50 pm
ZamVet
A foxhole in England, it was…? Lemme guess…
josef
May 14th, 2012
3:51 pm
DB
So, we should just do away with education?
barking frog
May 14th, 2012
3:52 pm
josef
I sometimes enjoyed her
viewpoint and often agreed
but she was predictable.
Not Part of Romney's Flock
May 14th, 2012
3:53 pm
jm
They why did you leave out Iraq? You do know what a budget is, right?
JamVet
May 14th, 2012
3:54 pm
It has quantifiable success.
Agreed,
For the men who run Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrup Grumman, General Dynamcis, Raytheon, etc.
For the average American working family?
Nope.
Massive weapons systems and other colossal military boondoggles have further mortgage our fiscal futures and drained money and talent from long overdue and more important civilian projects.
josef
May 14th, 2012
3:56 pm
frog
I had my issues with her sometimes limited world view. She was a slow learner, but she did come around on a couple of occasions, kicking and screaming the whole way, mind you…but nag her long enough…
Jm
May 14th, 2012
3:56 pm
Not
IRAQ ISN’T IN THE BUDGET
EVEN IF IT WAS, IRAQ SAVINGS WOULDN’T BE AN OFFSET TO SFGHANISTAN SPENDING BECAUSE IT IS GOING DOWN, NOT UP
Does that help?
Not Part of Romney's Flock
May 14th, 2012
3:58 pm
Jm
Thanks for the clarification
There was no need to be a punk about it. However, if that made you feel good then I’m glad you were able to elevate your self importance today.
G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)
May 14th, 2012
3:59 pm
Thanks, Josef & Frog.
JamVet
May 14th, 2012
4:00 pm
josef, if I told you, I would have to kill you!
Lets just say a randy bird from Liverpool and some Marvin Gaye were involved!
barking frog
May 14th, 2012
4:00 pm
Iraq and Afghanistan have
shown the national guard
can handle these “wars” so
we should be able to
deactivate a lot of active
army and marine units.
The active Air Force is
almost irrelevant.
Jm
May 14th, 2012
4:00 pm
Not
If you’re asking: is it possible part of that budget also includes Iraq costs (even if declining), which should be stripped out because they won’t continue in perpetuity?
Then the answer to that question is: yes
Aquagirl
May 14th, 2012
4:01 pm
Whether you agree with the implementation of how the military is used It has quantifiable success
I’d really love to hear your definition of success. Getting lots of people killed? Spending a lot of money? Increasing yellow ribbon sticker sales? Yeah, we’re doing a bang-up job there. Achieving political and strategic objectives…not so much.
barking frog
May 14th, 2012
4:03 pm
Air Force should go back
to army and marines to
navy. unload a lot of
high dollar officers.
Paul
May 14th, 2012
4:09 pm
barking 4:00
Appears the strategy is to let the Guard and Reserves take the bulk of the reductions.
So much for total force -
barking frog
May 14th, 2012
4:10 pm
Shut down the military
academies. ROTC does
fine.
Paul
May 14th, 2012
4:10 pm
oh, and frog
My reading of history is the Air Force was established as a service in large part because the Army couldn’t get past the idea aircraft existed to support ground troops, no different than howitzers or tanks.
Joseph
May 14th, 2012
4:14 pm
TaxPayer:
You can believe what you want about Cain getting slimmed. The simple fact is Obama harassed men sexually and the media simply ignored it…
Peter
May 14th, 2012
4:14 pm
Hey Don
May 14th, 2012
3:34 pm
Shouldn’t we figure out what job we want the military to do before we figure out what % GDP we should budget for it?
Come on now Don…….. the military has bases around the world to protect corporate America.
Jm
May 14th, 2012
4:14 pm
If you want to save money, cut the super fighter jets
And stupid wasteful spending resulting from politicians backyard projects
After that, not a ton of fat to cut
Dekalb comments
May 14th, 2012
4:14 pm
Poppycock!!!!
We could cut our defense spending by 50% and not impact our ability to defend the homeland. We could no longer play world policeman anymore but we could absolutely defend the homeland.
These are the same scare tactics that have been used over and over again.
Who are our potential adversaries on the battlefield?
1. Terrorists – aren’t we already spending billions and billions, more than any other country on intelligence, drones, etc.?
2. Russia and China – we need to ensure we can defend ourselves against aggression by either one of them but could do so with far less military expenditure
3. Rogue states such as North Korea and Iran – I’m not sure spending billions and billions more each year actually helps defend against those nations. These are rogue states that are a threat to other countries in addition to the U.S.
barking frog
May 14th, 2012
4:16 pm
Paul
overall the army has more
aircraft than the air force
but the USAF is the most
powerful of the armed
forces politically. they
burned billions in the
early space race and
couldn’t get off the ground.
the army and von broun
put up the first satellite.
Lord Help Us
May 14th, 2012
4:22 pm
‘The simple fact is Obama harassed men sexually and the media simply ignored it…’
Drudge and Breitbart are part of the conspiracy!!!
Mighty Righty
May 14th, 2012
4:24 pm
Dekalb comments
So your choice location to defend against an enemy would be Dekalb County, Ceorgia as opposed to say Europe, thew Middle East or Asia. It would be cheaper. It would definitely be cheaper. There are probably others, even some Dekalb residents, who would not agree.
TaxPayer
May 14th, 2012
4:26 pm
The simple fact is Obama harassed men sexually and the media simply ignored it…
I bet you had to attend a private school to learn your “facts”. How about backing up your trash talk, Joseph.
TaxPayer
May 14th, 2012
4:27 pm
I don’t see the need for a floating aircraft carrier either. I think that one should be cut.
Jm
May 14th, 2012
4:30 pm
Taxpayer aircraft carriers are great tools
I’d say cut 1/2 the overseas bases instead….