GOP strategy on defense: Spend more, LOTS more

Last year, we spent more on our military than at any point since World War II, even after adjusting for inflation. But according to House Republicans, it isn’t enough.

Instead of cutting defense spending after our withdrawal from Iraq and pending wind-down from Afghanistan, they want to increase it. As U.S. Rep. Randy Forbes, R-Va., a member of the House Armed Services Committee, told CNN, “we’re moving dangerously close to the point where I don’t think we’ll be able to guarantee the security of the United States of America.”

That is also the position of GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney. Instead of drawing down the number of active-duty personnel after the buildup to handle deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan, Romney proposes to increase active-duty troop levels by 100,000.

Romney also wants to spend a minimum of 4 percent of our gross domestic product on defense each year. In 2016 alone, that would mean an 18 percent increase — roughly another $100 billion a year — in projected spending on defense.

Again, this is what it looks like to be “dangerously close to the point where we won’t be able to guarantee the security of the United States of America”.

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Source: International Institute of Strategic Studies

As the chart demonstrates, we spend 1.5 times as much on defense as the next nine biggest countries combined, and five of those nine are close U.S. allies who would be on our side in any fight.

– Jay Bookman

529 comments Add your comment

Fedup

May 14th, 2012
9:11 am

Remember what Eisenhower said about the military industrial complex. and deficit don’t count.

Mr. Snarky

May 14th, 2012
9:15 am

The repubs know who pays their bills.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 14th, 2012
9:16 am

but but it sounds so good as a soundbite to the rabid base. And of course, it never adds to the deficit. :roll:

Oscar

May 14th, 2012
9:19 am

Eisenhower was right.

We need to drastically reduce our defense budget and increase our spending on infrastructure.

Rommey will take us nowhere but down the wrong road. He needs to be avoided.

Thomas Heyward Jr

May 14th, 2012
9:19 am

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Mr. Snarky

May 14th, 2012
9:21 am

Who says the government can’t create jobs?!

Oscar

May 14th, 2012
9:25 am

Mr. Snarky

May 14th, 2012
9:21 am

——————-

You are correct. Spending for defense creates jobs and profits. That’s the motivation to increase defense spending.

barking frog

May 14th, 2012
9:25 am

Does the MIC buy American?

Paul

May 14th, 2012
9:27 am

So much for needing the party of businessmen with real-world experience to restore America’s fiscal house.

If anyone had said to Romney while he was at Bain “we just acquired a company with revenues of nearly $700 billion a year but there are no inefficiencies we can cut and to make it a viable concern we need to inject another $126 billion”

Romney would fired him AFTER he had him sent for a psych eval -

Butch Cassidy

May 14th, 2012
9:28 am

Hey, with any luck, maybe MItt can get us fully engaged in Iran. Afterall, with the U.S. out of Iraq and eventually Afghanistan, the war profiteers will need fresh combat activity to keep the P&L from falling into the red. I honestly can’t think of anyone better than Romney to assure our MIP a guaranteed return on their investment.

Butch Cassidy

May 14th, 2012
9:29 am

By the way, MIP stands for Military Industrial Party. :)

Woodstock Mike

May 14th, 2012
9:29 am

“Last year, we spent more on our military than at any point since World War II”

In other words, Obama blatantly lied to Democrats in 2008 to gain votes he needed to win the election…

jaadf

May 14th, 2012
9:30 am

jay – what percentage of their domestic budget do those other countries spend?

reebok

May 14th, 2012
9:31 am

Romney, Fox, Limbaugh, Hannity et al know they are not catering to people in the reality-based world, they are merely keeping the fringe scared and angry. It’s kind of depressing how well it works…

TaxPayer

May 14th, 2012
9:31 am

I think I saw the house Republicans yell “jawohl” and click their heels together in unison when asked to indicate their position on an even larger military budget. I wonder if they need the extra money to pay for their cute little color-coordinated shirts and ties.

Peadawg

May 14th, 2012
9:32 am

cutting taxes while increasing defense spending

what’s the definition of “insanity”?

stevie ray....Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right...here I am...

May 14th, 2012
9:32 am

Jay,

Agreed on defense cuts…seems a 10% increase in ALL categories makes sense. Not unlike the GAY thingy, GOP wants that military vote along with cash from defense contractors. Predictable….at least the financial institutions are equal opportunity extortionists.

straitroad

May 14th, 2012
9:33 am

This is the type of story written when the author is trying to avoid writing about an amateur, failed president who is getting more bizarre by the hour.

Oscar

May 14th, 2012
9:33 am

what’s the definition of “insanity”?

++++++++++

Cutting taxes while increasing spending.

St Simons - codewords are the new black

May 14th, 2012
9:33 am

As for myself, I think big oil ought to pay for their own security force
I mean hell, I’m already paying $3.60 for gas.

kayaker 71

May 14th, 2012
9:35 am

No mention of cutting out any portion of aid to dependent children, subsidized housing, food stamps, free cell phones, welfare checks, unemployment insurance payments……. take from one, take from all.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

May 14th, 2012
9:36 am

So the GOP is welching on the debt limit deal…..

Anybody surprised?

JKL2

May 14th, 2012
9:36 am

If he had a (D) behind his name you be calling it :stimulous” and there whould be a round of golf claps.

Not sure we need an increase in troup levels, but we don’t need a decrease. Give the Soldiers some time to relax in their decreased optempo.

Jay

May 14th, 2012
9:39 am

jaadf, France spends about 2.5 percent of its GDP on defense. Germany spends 1.5 percent. China spends somewhere between 2 to 3 percent, but its numbers are harder to obtain.

Paul

May 14th, 2012
9:40 am

jaadf

I will point out that one point to consider in using the “what percentage of GDP are we spending for defense? measure is in includes the assumption that as GDP increases, defense requirements increase.

Look at it this way. A family of 4 earns $50,000 a year and spends $5,000 on food – 10 % of their GDP.

The breadwinner changes jobs and the family now makes $250,000 a year. Will anyone seriously argue that they now need to spend $25,000 a year – 10% of their “GDP” on food? Let alone increase it by another $4,626 (18%) or they will be in danger of not providing for their food needs?

Oscar

May 14th, 2012
9:40 am

kayaker 71

May 14th, 2012
9:35 am

_________

Some areas need cutting more that others. Talk about one thing at a time. Don’t disagree about cuts in other areas, but defense spending is more out of control than anything else.

Recon 0311 2533

May 14th, 2012
9:41 am

The federal governments primary responsibility is the defense of our national security and that is my number one consideration when determining who will get my vote for the nations highest office. All other considerations fall in behind.

JF McNamara

May 14th, 2012
9:41 am

When Forbes turned around, did you see the wad of cash that the defense contractors had stuffed in?

Paul

May 14th, 2012
9:42 am

straitroad

“This is the type of story written when the author is trying to avoid writing about an amateur, failed president who is getting more bizarre by the hour”

How are you going to know the positions of the parties and candidates if journalists don’t write about them six months before an election?

Grasshopper

May 14th, 2012
9:42 am

jaadf

May 14th, 2012
9:30 am
jay – what percentage of their domestic budget do those other countries spend?

This is the correct question to ask. Anyone got time to research and answer?

JamVet

May 14th, 2012
9:43 am

This is the type of post written when the blogger is trying to avoid writing about the topic at hand, because it is one that he desperately does not want to know about.

Ignorance being bliss…

Joseph

May 14th, 2012
9:43 am

Why are you being so dishonest Jay? The US spent 15% of its budget on defense in 2011. China spent 12.6% on defense in 2011. That’s not a huge difference because the US has by far the biggest budget of any country in the world. Telling your story using honest tactics would serve you and your ilk better Jay.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2011USbt_13bs1n#usgs302

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90776/90785/7309773.html

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

May 14th, 2012
9:43 am

“The federal governments primary responsibility is the defense of our national security and that is my number one consideration when determining who will get my vote for the nations highest office”

BULL

Joseph

May 14th, 2012
9:44 am

By the way… When you frown on military spending shouldn’t the President shouder the blame? He’s the Commander in Chief…

Grasshopper

May 14th, 2012
9:44 am

I type too slow! Our 4% does not seem too out of line if Germany is at 1.5% and France is at 2.5%. I mean, who would want to have to count on them if the going got tougher?

TaxPayer

May 14th, 2012
9:45 am

Paul,

The breadwinner probably had to start working multiple jobs in order to pull in that increased income and therefore did have to increase the amount spent on food. :smile:

Jay

May 14th, 2012
9:46 am

Joseph, you really don’t have any idea what you’re talking about, do you?

Oscar

May 14th, 2012
9:46 am

Grasshopper

May 14th, 2012
9:42 am
________

You didn’t ask me, but if you look at China, they are spending heavily on infratstructure and govt. money is going toward building factories and other investments in their economy. And that’s who we are competing with.
Same with Gernmey and the other successful countries in Northern Europe. India anad Brazil are doing the same thing.

JF McNamara

May 14th, 2012
9:46 am

@Joseph,

“Why are you being so dishonest Jay? The US spent 15% of its budget on defense in 2011. China spent 12.6% on defense in 2011.”

Our budget is built on deficit spending. I think that you are making Jay’s point completely. The drum he is beating is that we need to cut defense spending to help balance the budget. If we balanced the budget and spent 15% of our budget on defense, our defense spending would drop significantly.

Paul

May 14th, 2012
9:47 am

Recon

Are you saying both parties are not interested in defending our nation?

Are you saying you’ll support the candidate who’s willing to increase our debt the most to spend more than the other guy?

A

May 14th, 2012
9:47 am

“Romney also wants to spend a minimum of 4 percent of our gross domestic product on defense each year. In 2016 alone, that would mean an 18 percent increase — roughly another $100 billion a year — in projected spending on defense.”
? 18% more 4 years from hence than now ? what is the the alternative proposed defense budget as a % of GDP for years from now? big difference?

Normal Free, Plain and Simple

May 14th, 2012
9:47 am

Chart-piphany! And with colors! Cool…

So the Republicans aren’t going to honor the promise to reduce military spending as part of the deficit reduction…can you say liar, liar, pants on fire?
If the GOP wasn’t so dangerous to America, they would be funny.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 14th, 2012
9:48 am

Well, I don’t know about you, but I’m all for spending everything we got to keep the Terrists from breaking into the trailer and molesting the missus. You know they’re setting over there just lusting for her and your wife. We can make up for it by getting rid of SS, welfare, and these unemployment benefits, along with Medicaid and food stamps and all that other junk. I think about 50 million troops ought to do it. Besides, just think of the jobs there’d be if we had a military base every 10 miles or so.

Like everybody else I’m tired of hiding under the bed every time a Terrist sets off a bomb. Let’s get rid of all this Freedom and money and all that stuff we don’t need. Let’s be real Americans. Frisk everybody, even Granny and the baby, and make people tell us what they’re doing and where they’re doing.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true.

Have a good rainy Monday everybody.

Oscar

May 14th, 2012
9:48 am

JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG

May 14th, 2012
9:43 am
“The federal governments primary responsibility is the defense of our national security and that is my number one consideration when determining who will get my vote for the nations highest office”

BULL

___________

We have to have an adequate defense, but growth of our economy is equally vital to out survial. Power comes from financial and economic power first, so that you can afford a defense program.

Jay

May 14th, 2012
9:49 am

A, that’s an 18 percent increase over what is currently projected to be spent in 2016.

Grasshopper

May 14th, 2012
9:49 am

I hear you Oscar.

But comparing China and US economic systems really is apples and oranges. Germany can afford to spend less on military becasue of our presence; India…meh and Brazil has never spent on military.

curious

May 14th, 2012
9:50 am

As retired military, I wholeheartedly support increased defense spending.

It’s needed to support the reinstatemnt of the draft. For all of you proponents of more defense, put your mouth and your rearend on the line. That applies to your children and grandchildren, too.

When you comment, please indicate your service to the country.

Soothsayer

May 14th, 2012
9:50 am

. . . and this surprises me how? Jay, it’s called wealth redistribution and extraction. The government takes your money at gunpoint and gives to defense contractors to waste. But, do you hear howls from the Libertarian types? No. Wonder why?

Hey, how ’bout them Braves? They just swept the defending World Champion St. Louis Cardinals. Amazing!

ty webb

May 14th, 2012
9:50 am

cut cut cut…everything. I like the fact that Jay is somewhat decrying out of control government spending…though predictably, it’s highly partisan, but I’ll take it…baby steps.

TaxPayer

May 14th, 2012
9:50 am

The DoD needs to be cut back to a role that more closely resembles a Dept of DEFENSE. Not Offense. And we certainly do not need to continue to provide military protection for people that don’t think they should be paying for it. Bush ran up a huge tab to pay for his wars and the Republicans need to accept that and pay for it with a war tax that is based on the value of the assets that were being protected. That war tax can be applied to fund future DoD expenditures as well.

Joseph

May 14th, 2012
9:51 am

Look at the charts Jay. I think you have no idea what you’re talking about…. Which is normal for a far left zeolot such as yourself. Again if you’re not happy with defense spending blame the President!

godless heathen

May 14th, 2012
9:51 am

We could cut defense spending 10% and they’d never miss it. Waaaay too much waste.

Gator Joe

May 14th, 2012
9:51 am

I understand, and support, maintaining a strong military and the appropriate hardware. However, there is plenty of waste, fraud, and profiteering in defense spending. Much of the spending is about making defense contrators and overseas private contractors wealthy, rather than making our military stronger.

kayaker 71

May 14th, 2012
9:51 am

Oscar, 9:40,

“Defense spending is more out of control than anything else”. Oh, is it now? Entitlement spending under Bozo has increased 41% in the last four years. There are more people on food stamps than ever before. We spent over 450B in entitlement spending last year, the fastest growing segment of domestic spending in the budget. We spent over 819B just on government pension payouts and another 846B on health care. How important is your security, Oscar? Liberals always squawk about defense spending until their security is threatened, then they are the first to crow about the “government’s obligation to make them safe” . Which will it be, Oscar?

Jimmy62

May 14th, 2012
9:52 am

We spend that much more than they do because they don’t have to worry about defense because we do it for them. Is that a good situation? No. But cutting defense just when we have a growing antagonist in China could be even worse. I do think we should cut some defense programs, but it’s hardly a blip compared to SS and Medicare.

Grasshopper

May 14th, 2012
9:52 am

“However, there is plenty of waste, fraud, and profiteering in defense spending.”

There is plenty of that at every level of government.

JamVet

May 14th, 2012
9:53 am

When we get some moral courage in Washington???

The never-served Forbes and his chickenhawk pals are the very antithesis.

Fear mongers praying on the uneducated and irrational in their base, who are highly susceptible to………………. fear mongering.

Ronnie was the master. He damn near bankrupt us in his efforts to bankrupt the already imploding USSR.

And the (W)orst ever ran with that ball like he was Wrong Way Riegels…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA8ShsySc48

Oscar

May 14th, 2012
9:53 am

Grasshopper – Maybe its time to draw down our troop level in Europe and let those countries spend money for their own defense. If we think they can do that without another world war starting up in Europe between Germany and Russia. Nothing seems simple.

Joseph

May 14th, 2012
9:54 am

Look at the chart in your infinate wisdom Jay. It is total spending on defense. Federal, state, and local…. I realize if the numbers don’t fit your logic then it must not be accurate but you and your ilk simply won’t face reality….

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/piechart_2012_US_total

Recon 0311 2533

May 14th, 2012
9:54 am

“Are you saying you’ll support the candidate who’s willing to increase our debt the most to spend more than the other guy?”

Paul, maybe you’ll need to read my post a second time but I believe what I said was pretty clear. But since you asked about my post, what do you think is a presidents most important duty?

Oscar

May 14th, 2012
9:55 am

yaker 71

May 14th, 2012
9:51 am
________

It is not a question of one our the other. The question on the table now is whether we are spending too much for defense. The answer to that is yes, and we need to cut back drastically and concentrate on growth of out economy.

Oscar

May 14th, 2012
9:57 am

Recon 0311 2533

May 14th, 2012
9:54 am

______

Gererally, it’s to stay alive so that the Vice-President doesn’t become president. (smiley face)

Joseph

May 14th, 2012
9:57 am

Total gubmint spending… Thats federal, state, and local spending for you libs who don’t understand is $6.282 trillion dollars. Total defense spending for you libs that simply don’t understand math is $902.2 billion which results in 14% for defense… Please tell the whole story Jay. You would be more creditable if you did….

TaxPayer

May 14th, 2012
9:57 am

Corporations need to start paying for the protection they get as well instead of being the moochers that they are.

Oscar

May 14th, 2012
9:59 am

Recon 0311 2533

May 14th, 2012
9:54 am

____

Seriously, you are right, national defense in number one duty. But the question here is how much is enough. Strong economy is part of what we need for our national security, and question is one of balance.

Paul

May 14th, 2012
10:00 am

curious

Why is the draft needed?

Retired military? Really?

How long would the draftees serve? Two years? Three? Four?

How much time is spent in schooling after basic? One month? Four? Six? Ten?

How much time until on the job upgrade training is completed?

How long will the person be fully capable in their job until their commitment is up?

Then they leave and get up to $50,000 a year in GI Bill benefits?

This ought to be real interesting.

Recon 0311 2533

May 14th, 2012
10:01 am

Oscar@9:57, ISFH LOL

Soothsayer

May 14th, 2012
10:01 am

JKL2

May 14th, 2012
10:02 am

curious- It’s needed to support the reinstatemnt of the draft

Why? All branches are currently overstrength, and with the economy in the tank, more people than ever are lined up to join. A draft would serve no purpose other than appeasing your sense of social justice.

Army

Not Part of Romney's Flock

May 14th, 2012
10:02 am

“But since you asked about my post, what do you think is a presidents most important duty?”

That can only be accomplished by increasing the military budget?

Pleas explain

Common Sense

May 14th, 2012
10:03 am

With MARTA’s inability to get it’s debit machines working, I thought for sure you’d be talking about the need for more money to solve this problem.

Soothsayer

May 14th, 2012
10:04 am

Welcome to this preview of Republi-World. If liked life under Kind Dumbass the First, you’ll love life under King Dumbney the Flip Flopper.

TaxPayer

May 14th, 2012
10:04 am

Using Joseph’s “math”, I note that other expenditures, such as social security, medicare, medicaid, etc., were not nearly as large a percentage of “gubmint” spending either. It’s a miracle!

stands for decibels

May 14th, 2012
10:05 am

In other words, Obama blatantly lied to Democrats in 2008 to gain votes he needed to win the election…

I do so love being told, by people who weren’t actually listening to Obama in 2008, what Obama didn’t actually say in 2008.

Joseph

May 14th, 2012
10:05 am

I would assume that the CBO is about to come out with more scathing news about how Obamacare is going to bust the budget even more… Jay is on speed dial with the DNC and is hillarious how they are already out in front of a negative story even before its reported… Good thing most folks know better… By the way the current Obama budget for 2013 is almost a trillion dollars deficit… LOL…

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2013USbt_13bs1n#usgs302

Dumb and Dumber

May 14th, 2012
10:05 am

Yo Joseph — let me try and help you. China is not running a deficit, we are. If we are serious about reducing that deficit then we have to reduce defense spending. Refer to all the charts you want — the growth in military spending in the US since 2001 has outstripped every other category — and that is without including the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

BTW — how did that whole “the Iraq war will pay for itself” work out?

Joseph

May 14th, 2012
10:05 am

TaxPayer:

Its not my math. Its the governments….

Soothsayer

May 14th, 2012
10:07 am

“By the way the current Obama budget for 2013 is almost a trillion dollars deficit.”

That’s less than what he inherited from King Dumbass the First.

stands for decibels

May 14th, 2012
10:07 am

cut cut cut…everything.

And if you liked 8.2% unemployment? You’ll LOVE 9.2% unemployment, or possibly worse!

George P. Burdell

May 14th, 2012
10:07 am

Stepping back and taking a broader look, it always seems to me that defense spending ends up putting Liberals/Conservatives or Democrats/Republicans on the opposite side of their normal arguments about government spending. The conservatives don’t seem to mind deficits so long as it is for defense spending. The liberals don’t want to recognize that defense spending is another form of stimulus to the economy providing jobs to everyday Americans.

Obviously, if there was no need to spend a penny on defense, we’d be better off in the long run because the resources could be used for other endeavors. However, that is not the world we live in. Our defense spending is too high but to cut it will also have a negative impact, at least in the short to medium term, on employment etc. Also, the cost of spending one dollar too much on defense is a lot less costly than spending one dollar too little so I’ll always lean towards spending too much than too little. However, we probably don’t need the margin of safety to be as large as it currently is.

Joseph

May 14th, 2012
10:08 am

When Obamcare kicks in it will be over a trillion dollars a year in spending… And we need to cut defense spending? You leftys are complete loons….

Paul

May 14th, 2012
10:08 am

Recon

your 9:41

“The federal governments primary responsibility is the defense of our national security and that is my number one consideration when determining who will get my vote for the nations highest office. All other considerations fall in behind.”

You call that pretty clear and asking if you’ll support the candidate who’s willing to spend the most and asking if you’re willing to increase the debt to do so is not necessary?

So if Pres Obama called for a 30% increase in Defense you’d vote for him?

Recon 0311 2533

May 14th, 2012
10:09 am

“That can only be accomplished by increasing the military budget?”

That’s not an answer to the question that I asked Paul.

Paul

May 14th, 2012
10:10 am

kayaker 71

“We spent over 819B just on government pension payouts”

You’re willing to cut your pension for the national good?

JKL2

May 14th, 2012
10:10 am

godless- We could cut defense spending 10% and they’d never miss it. Waaaay too much waste

Why just defense? I’d start with 20% across the board and see where we end up.

Jefferson

May 14th, 2012
10:10 am

Defense contractors RIP OFF the ‘F” out of the tax payers.

Not Part of Romney's Flock

May 14th, 2012
10:11 am

“That’s not an answer to the question that I asked Paul

So if the top brass at the Pentagon said it could be done, are you ok with it?

Soothsayer

May 14th, 2012
10:11 am

godless heathen

May 14th, 2012
10:13 am

I haven’t heard President Obama’s proposal for reducing defence (sic) spending. Is he going to cut it to Canada or GB’s level?

Paul

May 14th, 2012
10:13 am

Recon 10:09

You need to redirect your question to the person who asked it.

Not Part of Romney's Flock

May 14th, 2012
10:14 am

“Is he going to cut it to Canada or GB’s level?”

Figi

Recon 0311 2533

May 14th, 2012
10:14 am

“So if Pres Obama called for a 30% increase in Defense you’d vote for him?”
He would need to provide the what, where, when, why and how. There you go, now how about answering my question since you say you like clarity lets see how clear you’re willing to be.

Joseph

May 14th, 2012
10:16 am

Remember Obama’s first year in office Jay when you blamed the huge budget deficit on GWB? What happened the last 3 years of which 2 of those Obama had complete control of Congress? 5 trillion in debt… These are facts that can’t possibly be sugarcoated…

Recon 0311 2533

May 14th, 2012
10:17 am

Paul,

I directed the question to you at 9:54. I’m beginning to think you don’t have an answer or you don’t want to answer.

Fred ™

May 14th, 2012
10:17 am

I see the cowardly old men that talk radio has scared the depends off of are all out in force, fear mongering and cowering in public.

Grow a spine you weanies, quit being afraid of everything and live life for a change. Quit hiding behind your republican idea of a gov’t that protects you from every little boo boo. America survived 225 years before that cowardly attack on the World Trade Center and will survive even longer if you cowards can put aside your fear and vote to live as men not as cowering whipped curs.

JamVet

May 14th, 2012
10:17 am

To Jefferson’s point, those guys building those planes, ships and tanks?

All Republican union thugs.

I say bust those damn things up!

And pay those thugs what they are worth – $10 an hour, with no benefits.

Instead of the $30 or $40 an hour, with huge benefits that these labor union parasites make now. (And if a few blow up, sink, crash, whatever, it’s still worth the savings!)

That would greatly reduce the cost that the chickenhawks pay for their toys…

Jay

May 14th, 2012
10:18 am

“When Obamcare kicks in it will be over a trillion dollars a year in spending….”

Joseph, once again you have no idea what you’re talking about. To use the same dates as above, total spending in 2016 on Obamacare is projected to be $143 billion.

A far cry from “more than a trillion.”

If you have to make up facts to support your position, maybe you ought to change your position. Dishonesty is not an attractive trait.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

May 14th, 2012
10:18 am

Well, it worked for Soviet Russia …

JB

May 14th, 2012
10:19 am

Off topic, but still in the news cycle………….The Pastor at Ebenezer Church this weekend has chosen skin color over Jesus and the Bible. He did not condemn Obama for his stance on Gay marriage. The argument will not be solved on this blog, but as a man of God, a follower of Jesus, a christian, He chose to take a liberal Democratic position on the subject rather than God’s word. Now, he’s not for it, but he punched Obama a pass. Really disappointed.

curious

May 14th, 2012
10:19 am

JKL2,

Intended as scarcasm. When all these “strong defense” types realize thay would have to serve, they would probably say the military is too large.

The 1% likes the 99% doing the dirty work.