Why are the Catholic bishops investigating the Girl Scouts?

What in the name of Juliet Gordon Low is going on here?

Apparently lacking anything closer to home that might be worthy of investigation, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has launched an official inquiry into the Girl Scouts.

According to the Washington Post, “Potentially at stake is whether troops can continue meeting in Catholic churches, and whether many Catholic girls, who make up a quarter of the nation’s 3 million Girl Scouts, will continue in scouting as the organization marks its 100th year.”

And what exactly have the Girl Scouts done to attract such scrutiny? Nobody really knows for sure, and the bishops aren’t being clear. Over the past few years, we’ve seen sporadic outbursts of conservative anger at the Girl Scouts over alleged connections to Planned Parenthood and similar groups, but Scout leaders say such rumors are ridiculous and no evidence to the contrary has ever been produced.

But where did it come from? Where this misbegotten seed germinate?

Well, like so many of these right-wing conspiracy theories, this one seems rooted in irrational fear of that most nefarious of organizations out to undermine the United States, the United Nations.

In an even-handed statement put out in January 2011, the National Federation for Catholic Youth Ministry described the allegations this way:

“In 2010 several issues arose concerning GSUSA (Girl Scouts of the United States of America) triggered by a March meeting at the United Nations where GSUSA supposedly distributed inappropriate materials on human sexuality and a campaign was begun to have the Catholic Church and all her agencies sever ties with GSUSA. These issues included the GSUSA relationship with the World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts (WAGGGS) and the GSUSA relationship with Planned Parenthood, both of which called into question GSUSA’s position on providing resources and programs on human sexuality. The fundamental accusation is that GSUSA distributes materials reflecting an official stance contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church on marriage, abortion, contraception, and sexuality.

Our practice as an organization is to investigate such matters by going directly to the sources involved so we contacted GSUSA and several of those who had made accusations concerning the UN meeting. In a March 16 e-mail to NFCYM membership we shared the GSUSA response to the UN meeting, which included in part:

“The Girls Only Workshop was hosted by GSUSA, UNICEF‟s Working Group on Girls, Girls Learn International, and The Grail. The meeting was only open to the girls and participating sponsors. The girls received a copy of the only document they were working on, titled ‘The Girls Statement’. No other documents were given to the girls as part of the event. The room in question was also used to host other events over the course of the multi-day conference. Prior to our girls entering the room, we did not ’sanitize’ the room to ensure that no trash or other items were left behind. GSUSA was not contacted by C-Fam regarding its initial story to discuss the facts of this event. Had they applied these basic journalistic standards, the true details of this event would have been reported.”

OK, so what is C-Fam, the group that originally leveled these charges?

The Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute is a deeply right-wing organization that sees itself as a watchdog against U.N. incursions on our national sovereignty and against U.N. attempts to subvert American and Catholic morality. According to its website, C-Fam’s “vision” is “the preservation of international law by discrediting socially radical policies at the United Nations and other international institutions.”

In 2010, C-Fam charged that at a UN meeting, the Girl Scouts had distributed to young girls a “sex guide” titled “Happy, Healthy and Hot: A Young Person’s Guide to Their Rights, Sexuality and Living with HIV.” The Girl Scouts, as explained in the excerpt above, said no such thing happened. But that appears to be the genesis of this whole crusade. As one indication of just how ridiculous the whole thing has become, in 2010 C-FAM announced new evidence of the alleged ties, explaining that it “has learned that at least one regional director of the Girl Scouts comes from the ranks of Planned Parenthood personnel. In 2004, the Great Plains Council of Girl Scouts, representing 11,000 girls, hired Beverly Todd Nolte as their CEO. Previously, Nolte had held marketing and lobbying positions with Planned Parenthood of Nebraska and Council Bluffs.
”

What we appear to be seeing, in other words, is a confluence between a rather bizarre conspiracy theory with the growing politicization of at least some segments of the American Catholic Church, with the Girl Scouts as the latest helpless victim of that trend.

– Jay Bookman

369 comments Add your comment

Normal Free, Plain and Simple

May 11th, 2012
2:41 pm

Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.” — Napoleon.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

May 11th, 2012
2:42 pm

Wait. Let’s talk more about Romney being a bully in high school. It’s relevant, right?

Bullying in high school versus bullying in Chicago politics. Which is more relevant today?

Smoke, mirrors, misdirection.

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/12/10/flashback-how-obama-got-his-senate-seat-to-begin-with/

TaxPayer

May 11th, 2012
2:46 pm

What! Heritage published a paper! Such a waste of good crayon.

The cat

May 11th, 2012
2:52 pm

really ot-but does anyone else think the doctor in the BCBS ad at the top of the page looks like Arthur Blank?

TaxPayer

May 11th, 2012
2:55 pm

You guys do know that the AJC, like many others, uses targeted ads.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 11th, 2012
3:00 pm

RB — “Joe, you aren’t fooling anybody with your whining about the way the question was asked.”

If anyone’s fooling anyone, you’re fooling yourself.

“You aren’t going to answer it no matter how it’s asked”

Well, you’ll never know because you’re too much of a wuss to restate that grammatical slop-bucket you posted yesterday. You could always man up, repost it and test me, but you won’t do it because you’re afraid I’d prove you wrong.

“because you never want to be accountable for your opinions on anything.”

(laughing) Like I have to be accountable to YOU for anything? (laughing) :D

Who the hell are you that I should answer to you?

“Go on kidding yourself if you want but you aren’t fooling anybody else.”

I already know I’d answer it. I also know you won’t repost it because you’re AFRAID of me.

Run along now, little one. (laughing) :D

Adam

May 11th, 2012
3:02 pm

JHM: What WAS the question?

Joe Hussein Mama

May 11th, 2012
3:06 pm

K71 — “The point is that each of these entities are private. You got that? Private!!!”

That’s not the point.

“It’s none of your damn business what they do.”

Actually, it is. The DoD permits the BSA to use DoD facilities for events. Organizations — like the BSA — that use Federal facilities for their gatherings aren’t supposed to discriminate. Since my taxes support the DoD, it is ABSOLUTELY my business what the BSA does — unless they want to get the hell off DoD land and facilities and go find their own PRIVATE locations to do their thing.

“I am not so sure that they lose any sleep over whether you like them or do not.”

I don’t particularly care. I’m pretty sure you don’t like me, and I don’t lose any sleep over that.

“If the Boy Scouts don’t want gay members, they have every right to exclude them.”

Again you miss the point.

“If Augusta National doesn’t want women in their club, so be it.”

I have no problem with that. I DO have a problem with a national golf tournament being held at their facility and sponsored by corporations that I own stock in.

“If the Girl Scouts feel that it is important to distribute literature on a subject they feel meets their beliefs, they have every right to do just that.”

Psst. Pay attention, pal. No one’s even demonstrated that they did that. (laughing) :D

“And whether or not you like it is of little importance to anyone but you.”

I’m going to quote this right back at you the next time you post one of your bleating complaints about the President, okay? (laughing) :D

“Perhaps it is you who is missing the point.”

Nope. It’s you.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 11th, 2012
3:08 pm

T. Payer — “What! Heritage published a paper! Such a waste of good crayon.”

I see what you did there. :D

East Lake Ira

May 11th, 2012
3:09 pm

Adam, IIRC it was something along the lines of:

If the square of the hypotenuse is equal to the angle of the sun, why did Willie Wonka kill all of the Oompaa-Loompahs?

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

May 11th, 2012
3:12 pm

The Cat, pass that doobie.

Joe Hussein Mama

May 11th, 2012
3:13 pm

Adam — “JHM: What WAS the question?”

He wanted someone to tell him what rights and privileges “liberals” thought that undocumented aliens should receive and be entitled to.

I told him that I didn’t consider myself in a position to speak for *all* liberals, and he commenced to haranguing me. It wasn’t until an hour or two later that he said that he was asking for *a* liberal to give *their* personal opinion on the matter, but that’s not what he asked and he’s too proud to admit that he can’t effing write clearly. I understand now what he *meant* to say, but he was such a jackass about it and he’s been so demanding that I’m not going to play ball with him unless and until he restates his question as a direct query to me.

I told him twice yesterday that if he’d man up and restate his question, I’d answer it, and I’ve renewed that offer today. But he still won’t do it. It’s a shame, because ignorant and proud is no way for RB to go through life.

The cat

May 11th, 2012
3:19 pm

Finn-I did not inhale!!! seriously-no one else is seeing the BSBS ad? It may be time to call this a day…….

They BOTH suck

May 11th, 2012
3:23 pm

JHM

He basically wanted me to answer the same questions last night. Regardless of the way he phrased them, which to your point was aweful, the whole thing about the questions was a deflection and smokescreen because he couldn’t back up his “who backs letting illegals vote” assertion.

He figured if you or I answered his other questions which had nothing to do with illegals voting then he would have his “evidence” to back up his assertion.

But you couldn’t have said it better:

“It’s a shame, because ignorant and proud is no way for RB to go through life.”

Doubling down on stupidity will not get anyone too far down the road

Doggone/GA

May 11th, 2012
3:23 pm

“Finn-I did not inhale!!! seriously-no one else is seeing the BSBS ad? It may be time to call this a day”

I saw it, but I didn’t answer because I don’t know what Arthur Blank looks like.

jm

May 11th, 2012
3:27 pm

Amen Fred.

Fred Smith the Fedex CEO, that is.

You mentioned earlier that investing in education is another key to creating more American jobs.

I personally think that the federal government — and you’re talking to a liberal arts major here — should restrict its funding of higher-education grants and loans to science, math, and engineering because that’s where most of the value added comes. We put so much emphasis on “college degrees.” Well, in Germany students at some point come to a fork in the road, and they either go on to university or they go on to a trade school. Say you’re a FedEx airplane mechanic working on one of our Boeing Triple Sevens. That’s a $100,000-plus job. You don’t have to have a college degree to get that job. You don’t have to know Chaucer and The Canterbury Tales. You can go right to West Memphis, Ark., where we have a relationship with the community college, and be trained to be a licensed mechanic. Then you can come to work at FedEx.

jm

May 11th, 2012
3:29 pm

They BOTH suck

May 11th, 2012
3:31 pm

Jm

I’m assuming that he means 100k including benefits plus overtime.

The hey day of the A&P / Avionic mechanic never topped out at that rate and it is actually down from what it was 10 yrs ago.

They BOTH suck

May 11th, 2012
3:35 pm

“hey day” meaning top hourly range and having worked in the industry for over 18 yrs, it was never 100k unless benefits and overtime are included

Joe Hussein Mama

May 11th, 2012
3:35 pm

jm — “I personally think that the federal government — and you’re talking to a liberal arts major here — should restrict its funding of higher-education grants and loans to science, math, and engineering because that’s where most of the value added comes.”

Not to be a jerk, but wouldn’t that place government in the position of ‘picking winners and losers?’ And haven’t you spoken out against that in the past?

Jm

May 11th, 2012
3:40 pm

Bam MWW payoff

Old Goober

May 11th, 2012
3:41 pm

“I personally think that the federal government — and you’re talking to a liberal arts major here — should restrict its funding of higher-education grants and loans to science, math, and engineering because that’s where most of the value added comes.”

A 19th Century author named Matthew Arnold write extensivily about the Philistines—those who value money and the trappings more than the life of the mind. You should look him up—jerk! But then, it’s pretty apparent that you aren’t educated enough to do so.

Jm

May 11th, 2012
3:42 pm

Tbs I don’t think Fred was lying

RB from Gwinnett

May 11th, 2012
3:43 pm

For those of you who are either too lazy to do your own homework or are butting into conversations…
 
The original comment…”The same people who would support illegals voting even though they aren’t citizens at all are whining about Bachman. ”
 
You’ll notice that is an opinion stated by the writer. No claim of fact is implied.
 
The question none of you were willing to answer yesterday; apparently because Joe didn’t think it was asked in a proper manner or whatever other excuse he made   “How about you share with us a list of things you believe the should be entitled to and things they shouldn’t. This should be interesting.”
 
And the comment from last night to BOTH  ”
My question to Joe following his denial of that was “what benefits do you think illegals are entitled to and which ones do you think they aren’t entitled to”. Do you have the courage to answer that? Where is your limit of what they’re entitled to? Are they entitled to a free education, but not a vote? Do the get a deduction for each child on their taxes, but not a vote? Can they own property and pay property taxes, but not vote for their representatives? Should they get small business loans? What if their business only employs other illegals? Where is your limit? It’s a fair question that deserves an honest answer, but I suspect you, like Joe, won’t answer it because in your heart of hearts, you want their vote on your side of the aisle.”

 

Now you’re all caught up with proof the original comment was an opionion, proof the question was asked in a normal manner, and yet still not a single answer from any of you. 

Jm

May 11th, 2012
3:44 pm

Joe
Is rather have govt out altogether

What I’ve said is: but if the govt is going to be in the biz, it should be doing something sensible

HDB

May 11th, 2012
3:45 pm

Did anyone ask the Bishops if they liked baseball?? Guess they liked to be switch hitters…..

That Black Guy, now and FOREVER!!

May 11th, 2012
3:45 pm

Off topic, but this is one of the things that bothers me about politics:

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/house-dems-trained-make-race-issue/537146

“Don’t make the mistake of telling them they’re in the problem. It’s emotional connection, not rational connection that we need.”

Instead of playing games with peoples emotions for political gain, how about ACTUALLY give a daymn about people?

They BOTH suck

May 11th, 2012
3:45 pm

Jm
He is exaggerating the pay.

Except for working in the industry and knowing people who I once worked with here in Atlanta and now work in management within maintenance (a/p and avionic mechanics) at FEDEX, I’m telling they do not make that much.

He is exaggerating to make his point. That is all I am saying.

Believe it if you wish

Z

May 11th, 2012
3:47 pm

I believe the Catholic Church and their Bishops need to mind their own business. It’s no surprise some right wing shenanigans are going on here. These right wing radicals would like nothing better than to turn this country into a Theocracy where everything has to be accomplished through the church.
Catholic Charities is one of the most extensive social services network that serves more than 10 million poor adult children and adults. Who provides most of the money to fund those Catholic Charities, we the people. No not the people who belong to the Catholic Faith but we the Government. Catholic Charities and affiliates received in 2010 approximately $2.9 BILLION Government money on their budget of $4.67 BILLION. How much of this money comes from the churches, only 3%. The rest comes from community donations, investments and program fees. Where is all that money going, do we know they are spending our money on charities or could it be they are using our money to pay off the victims of their pedophile priests.

The Catholic Church has a disease, its filled with priests who molest innocent children. At last count they’re are over 109,000 priests and over 4,000 are known to be pedophiles. Are these pedophile priests in jail, no they’re not. Why is that? Why are these pedophile priest rapists not in jail and on known pedophile lists? I’ll answer that. Because the church hides them, destroys papers with known pedophiles on them, moves them around to molest over and over again.
How the flock can let themselves be deceived by the Catholic church and to condone such behavior by their priests is beyond me.

They BOTH suck

May 11th, 2012
3:48 pm

Jm

Benefits (which do cost mucho dollars) and overtime yes.

100k plus: at their top hourly rate X 40hr /week X 52 weeks does not equal 100k plus

NEVER HAS

They BOTH suck

May 11th, 2012
3:50 pm

TBG

What’s up man? It is Friday.

If that article you posted is true and in context, that is pretty bad….. to say the least

Jm

May 11th, 2012
3:54 pm

Tbs

He may be citing top end “senior” kind of pay

But $100k is big

That Black Guy, now and FOREVER!!

May 11th, 2012
3:58 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

May 11th, 2012
3:00 pm
grammatical slop-bucket

:lol :lol: :lol:

I am SO stealing that…

They BOTH suck

May 11th, 2012
3:58 pm

Jm

Ok. Believe as you wish. Unless he is including overtime and benefits, FEDEX does not have an hourly paid mechanic who without overtime makes 100k.

I get his point about jobs that pay well without a degree, however he is exaggerating the numbers.

They BOTH suck

May 11th, 2012
4:03 pm

Jm

What Fred also doesn’t mention, is that FEDEX as well as the Delta’s, American’s and United’s have outsourced a good percentage of their mtc, especially the heavy maintenance that requires 15 to 30 days of ground time. And of course that leaves for a lot less of those mechanic jobs than ever before. You can go to a contractor of course and make much less, if you can’t get on with a larger airline.

Jm

May 11th, 2012
4:06 pm

Tbs u work in the airline biz?

Joe Hussein Mama

May 11th, 2012
4:08 pm

RB — “The question none of you were willing to answer yesterday; apparently because Joe didn’t think it was asked in a proper manner or whatever other excuse he made “How about you share with us a list of things you believe the should be entitled to and things they shouldn’t. This should be interesting.”

Actually, let’s keep you honest by reproducing the ENTIRE post and linking to it:

“I guess you libs want us to believe you want to give illegals full access to everythIng else American, just not the right to vote? Is that it? How about you share with us a list of things you believe the should be entitled to and things they shouldn’t. This should be interesting.”

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/05/10/does-michele-bachmann-get-goose-pimples-when-she-hears-the-william-tell-overture/?cp=9#comment-950547

Now, I don’t know what kind of grades you got in HS English, RB, but either “you libs” and “you” are pointing the the same direction, or else you’ve engaged in the linguistic sin of Awkward Construction.

I clearly told you subsequent to that post yesterday afternoon that I wasn’t in a position to speak for all libs — which is what a Standard English Usage reading of your post indicates — and you immediately jumped on me. When it became clear and hour or two later what you apparently meant — AFTER you’d been a Richard to me about your poorly-constructed post — I even offered to answer your question if you’d just restate it. And I’ve done that today as well.

“And the comment from last night to BOTH”

Hold it right there, RB. I don’t know when you posted that last night — and I’m taking you at your word that you did — but you must have posted it after I clearly signed off for the night. I don’t go back and reread every post I missed in my absence, so if you’re expecting me to have done that, I’m sorry to disappoint you.

If you really DID post that, then the adult thing to do at this point would be to say something like ‘okay, look, I did repost my question last night, and here’s a link to it.’ That would put the burden squarely on me.

“Now you’re all caught up with proof the original comment was an opionion, proof the question was asked in a normal manner, and yet still not a single answer from any of you.”

No, the question was NOT asked in a normal manner, at least not anywhere I’ve seen it. Your construction yesterday was awkward, and even despite that and your rude treatment of me yesterday and today, I’m still offering to answer your question. I sincerely think that you ought to meet me halfway by showing me where you posted your clarification.

It appears that you posted it last night after I left. Would you please link me to it?

They BOTH suck

May 11th, 2012
4:08 pm

Jm

You do realize that I am doing the same thing you do when JB or someone else post something and you see a discrepancy.

You call it out

have a great weekend

That Black Guy, now and FOREVER!!

May 11th, 2012
4:09 pm

TBS, what’s crackin’?

Yes it is Friday. I was looking forward to riding out to Covington to see a friend who was not doing well, cancer.

Well, I found out this afternoon that she passed this morning, with her daughter by her side.
So, I’m kind of ate up about that.

Jm

May 11th, 2012
4:10 pm

Tbs 4:08 understood, agreed and props

I’d have done the same

They BOTH suck

May 11th, 2012
4:11 pm

Jm

I did directly for numerous yrs. I now do some consulting and contracting within the industry, but I mostly do my work in other industries these days.

They BOTH suck

May 11th, 2012
4:12 pm

TBG

Sad to hear that my man. My thoughts are going out to your friend and family as I type.

Adam

May 11th, 2012
4:14 pm

RB: Of the ones who came here by choice illegally, I think they should be shown the way to apply for citizenship and helped in the process initially, so we have a record of them IF they are discovered, and we make it possible for them to remain in the country with stipulations on them. I do not think we should profile, demonize, kill, physically attack, or pass laws that encourage any of the above in order to make discovery more possible. Of the ones that are not here illegally by choice, they should be offered a path to citizenship that involves a standard of education or military service. As far as rights for both, they have a right to live.

This is not a complete list. But it’s a start. As far as I can tell the difference between liberals and conservatives is liberals want to find a good solution for including as many people as possible who want to live here making sure they are not leeching off the system but instead contributing to it both with taxes and with legal employment, and conservatives who think that they should all be deported, sometimes without thinking about where they actually come from before sending them to the wrong country.

Dee

May 11th, 2012
4:57 pm

What a double standard. The oldest Catholic university,Georgetown Universityi is having
Heath and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius as speaker at upcoming graduation ceremonies.
She is the “architect” of the Obama administration’s effort to force religious-affiliated employers to offer insurance-covered contraception. -Supporter of Pro-life

Just Saying

May 11th, 2012
5:14 pm

RB,
When I first started to work in China, I was told by an associate that I should slow down and speak to them as if they were my 10 year old son.
Maybe you should try that approach, maybe they will answer your question without another question…..just saying

Joe Hussein Mama

May 11th, 2012
5:25 pm

Just Saying — “When I first started to work in China, I was told by an associate that I should slow down and speak to them as if they were my 10 year old son.
Maybe you should try that approach, maybe they will answer your question without another question…..just saying”

How curious. And just when WE have been talking to RB as if *he* was the 10-year-old.

Fred ™

May 11th, 2012
6:08 pm

My question to Joe following his denial of that was “what benefits do you think illegals are entitled to and which ones do you think they aren’t entitled to”. Do you have the courage to answer that? Where is your limit of what they’re entitled to? Are they entitled to a free education, but not a vote? Do the get a deduction for each child on their taxes, but not a vote? Can they own property and pay property taxes, but not vote for their representatives? Should they get small business loans? What if their business only employs other illegals? Where is your limit?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Are they entitled to a free education, but not a vote?

First of all the phrase “free education” is a lie. Do they live in a cardboard shack somewhere in the woods? I don’t think so. They either live in a house (rented or bought) or an apartment. Either way, they pay property taxes just like the rest of us and as such help fund education. As such, I say YES they can be educated.

You see RB the more people that can be educated the better. You yourself are living proof of what happens when one lacks an education (j/k lol, but couldn’t resist. I’ll resist here on out since barbs aren’t germane to the conversation).

Do the get a deduction for each child on their taxes, but not a vote?

What the hell do you mean? In order to work they have to have a Social Security number, but since it’s not really theirs it’s not like they can file a return. Hence that question is moot. They PAY taxes, but can’t file returns.

The rest is just kind of non sense. I’ll answer a question you DIDN’T ask: Should they be able to get drivers licenses? Hell yeah, then they can get insurance and not be a drain when they have an accident.

As to the “vote” thing/ Of COURSE they should have a vote unless they are citizens you goober. What a stupid question.

Austin Ruse

May 11th, 2012
6:09 pm

Jay,

I am president of the organization you are commenting on. It’s funny. You repeat the false assertion that we never called the Girl Scouts about our accusations. You repeat this as a way to undermine our credibility. Funny thing, I never got YOUR call to us asking about this issue.

If you had called you would not have suggested there is no evidence of a connection between the Girl Scouts and Planned Parenthood. If you had called, i would have provided you with a clip of Kathy Cloninger, telling the Today Show that the Girl Scouts partner with Planned Parenthood, something the Girl Scouts have never subsequently denied. You can look it up at Youtube or you can call me.

If you had called, could have also provided you with an audio recording of a meeting in which Girl Scout PR chief says she fielded a phone call from our reporter, Terry McKeegan.

In fact, the connections between GS and PP are abundant. All it takes is a smidgen of reporting.

Best,

Austin Ruse
President
Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute

Atlanta Mom

May 11th, 2012
6:27 pm

Ms.Rose,
As long as you have decided to join us, how about providing some links so we can see these connections?
Thank you.

Atlanta Mom

May 11th, 2012
6:28 pm

Excuse me, Ms. Ruse, my error on your name.

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 11th, 2012
6:30 pm

Wow, Jay, you (we?) struck a nerve. Good Work!!

Austin Ruse

May 11th, 2012
6:32 pm

Simple. Youtube “Kathy Cloninger on Today Show” But here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZKiQub0ZnA

Austin Ruse

May 11th, 2012
6:40 pm

And to answer the question about hwy the Church is investigating. It is because a huge number of troops are organized at the Catholic parish level. The Church has the right and the responsibility to discern is what they are promoting is proper for Cathoilc girls. The Church is not out to stop the GS from dong whatever they want, they would just have to do it off of Church property adn without Church approval. Certainly, the Church has this right.

i would also point out how poisonous is the reputation of Planned Parenthood. The GS are running like scalded cats away from them. This is a good thing.

Rockerbabe

May 11th, 2012
7:25 pm

stands for decibels: you are so bad!

Jm

May 11th, 2012
7:52 pm

This just gets more and more comical

NPR tonight: mitt Romney was the leader of a POSSEE in high school that assaulted a kid

Absurd

Driveby

Milo83

May 11th, 2012
10:20 pm

Liberals will condemn the CC if they don’t investigate–they’ll condemn it if they do. There’s no winning with liberals. They’re chronic malcontents.

Met in St. Louis

May 11th, 2012
10:51 pm

See what happens when you sell cookies in Lent….

Joel Edge

May 12th, 2012
7:13 am

“But where did it come from? Where this misbegotten seed germinate?”
Probably in the same place that thought it was a good idea to persecute the Boy Scouts not so long ago. If an organization or company isn’t what you think you should be supporting, don’t support it.

Z

May 12th, 2012
10:38 am

The only thing poisonous is the poison that has been planted in the flocks mind. Planned Parenthood helps millions of women throughout the United States, now what could be poisonous about that. Who would want to be a member of such a religious organization such as one who spouts poison at an organization that does good. Some Christians these people are.

Becky

May 12th, 2012
10:42 am

Austin Ruse-clean up your own house first with the raping of altar boys by your perverted priests. You and your ilk disgust me. Care to defend yourself on this?

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cpac-austin-ruse-condemns-efforts-stop-violence-against-lgbt-community

Gail

May 12th, 2012
11:01 am

As if a bunch of men who purposely hid pedophiles and moved then around so that they could have continued access to children have ANY moral authority in this country! They should be kicked out of the US – that’s what should happen. The last thing the Girl Scouts need around them are a bunch of pedophile enablers!

Austin Ruse

May 12th, 2012
12:49 pm

Becky, in the talk you have linked to, a tiny portion of a half an hour talk I will add, i do not condemn efforts to stop violence against homosexuals. That is a flat out lie and it not supported by the video. what I criticized was the dishonest way some have been trying to place sexual orientation and gender identity as categories of nondiscrimination in international law. That is a wholly different thing. Violence aginst homosexuals is already against the law in this country adn around the world.

Austin Ruse

May 12th, 2012
12:50 pm

And by teh way, Becky, according to teh John Jay Report on Priest Sex Abuse, 87% of abuse was of a homosexual nature against adolescent boys. I assume you are against homosexual abuse of adolescent boys, as we are?

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 12th, 2012
2:38 pm

Austin, that is not homosexuality. That is pedophilia. There is is a BIG difference.

G Mare 71( got the living' the red state BLUES!)

May 12th, 2012
7:57 pm

Wow, Becky, you nailed him! Good for you. I hope I called him out on the homosexuality/pedophilia thing, but you are right, and it will be interesting to see if he dares respond to either of us. But then, he is an ignorant bigot, so we probably can’t expect too much. Or at least much of coherence if he does respond.
Granny Annie, I realized many years ago that our church did not have “my best interests at heart.” I
understand your feelings of betrayal now. My mother always said her faith transcended the men running the church, but, while I understood her reasoning & faith, that just did not work for me. I truly hope you are able to come to peace & possibly forgiveness. I think I never will, but I am at peace with that.

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bronxilla

May 14th, 2012
4:47 pm

You are all a bunch of bigots. Any organization, religious or otherwise, has a right to ensure that the rules of their organization are followed. The Church teaches and believes certain things. Whether you believe them or not is up to you, but you can’t restrict the church, or any other organization, from ensuring that the wrong things are taught, according to its beliefs. That should be the standard for any group – Catholics, Mormons, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists – you name it. The problem is that the Church stands up for what it believes, as it is called to do, and refuses to budge to demands from our post-modern, neo-pagan world. Anti-priest child abuse criticisms and jokes are just knee-jerk, facile and actually imbecillic retorts. This has become the standard response to anything the Catholic Church does: “A priest got a ticket for speeding” “Oh, he must have been rushing to go feel up some kid” Can you start using your brains to make some semi-intelligent comments?

Rene Deal

May 15th, 2012
11:09 am

Ok, this is just bull crap! My daughter is 19 years old has been in Girl Scouts since she was 5 years old! Never ever has sexuality been discussed or pamphlets handed out about sexuality. Bad, bad, bad information is being given out. We have been involved in community volunteer work for years. Our girls at the direction of the prior leader who has now passed away made sure our girls had a love for community service!!! I can not believe the negative light that is being put on Girl Scouts an organization 100 years old and has done nothing but lift girls self-esteem, encouraged love of community and given girls direction. Many of todays female leaders in the world are Girl Scouts and learned their skills from this organization. How dare the Catholic church question our morals when they have bishops, priests and who knows who else raping young boys! This is a shame!

Dunstan Harding

May 16th, 2012
8:41 am

Is anything sacred? If the Girl Scouts must appear before the USCCB’s inquisition, then the Red Cross can’t be too far behind.

I’m waiting for the day when the Rev. Pat Robertson invites Cardinal Dolan to become his guest host.