Why are the Catholic bishops investigating the Girl Scouts?
What in the name of Juliet Gordon Low is going on here?
Apparently lacking anything closer to home that might be worthy of investigation, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has launched an official inquiry into the Girl Scouts.
According to the Washington Post, “Potentially at stake is whether troops can continue meeting in Catholic churches, and whether many Catholic girls, who make up a quarter of the nation’s 3 million Girl Scouts, will continue in scouting as the organization marks its 100th year.”
And what exactly have the Girl Scouts done to attract such scrutiny? Nobody really knows for sure, and the bishops aren’t being clear. Over the past few years, we’ve seen sporadic outbursts of conservative anger at the Girl Scouts over alleged connections to Planned Parenthood and similar groups, but Scout leaders say such rumors are ridiculous and no evidence to the contrary has ever been produced.
But where did it come from? Where this misbegotten seed germinate?
Well, like so many of these right-wing conspiracy theories, this one seems rooted in irrational fear of that most nefarious of organizations out to undermine the United States, the United Nations.
In an even-handed statement put out in January 2011, the National Federation for Catholic Youth Ministry described the allegations this way:
“In 2010 several issues arose concerning GSUSA (Girl Scouts of the United States of America) triggered by a March meeting at the United Nations where GSUSA supposedly distributed inappropriate materials on human sexuality and a campaign was begun to have the Catholic Church and all her agencies sever ties with GSUSA. These issues included the GSUSA relationship with the World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts (WAGGGS) and the GSUSA relationship with Planned Parenthood, both of which called into question GSUSA’s position on providing resources and programs on human sexuality. The fundamental accusation is that GSUSA distributes materials reflecting an official stance contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church on marriage, abortion, contraception, and sexuality.
Our practice as an organization is to investigate such matters by going directly to the sources involved so we contacted GSUSA and several of those who had made accusations concerning the UN meeting. In a March 16 e-mail to NFCYM membership we shared the GSUSA response to the UN meeting, which included in part:
“The Girls Only Workshop was hosted by GSUSA, UNICEF‟s Working Group on Girls, Girls Learn International, and The Grail. The meeting was only open to the girls and participating sponsors. The girls received a copy of the only document they were working on, titled ‘The Girls Statement’. No other documents were given to the girls as part of the event. The room in question was also used to host other events over the course of the multi-day conference. Prior to our girls entering the room, we did not ’sanitize’ the room to ensure that no trash or other items were left behind. GSUSA was not contacted by C-Fam regarding its initial story to discuss the facts of this event. Had they applied these basic journalistic standards, the true details of this event would have been reported.”
OK, so what is C-Fam, the group that originally leveled these charges?
The Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute is a deeply right-wing organization that sees itself as a watchdog against U.N. incursions on our national sovereignty and against U.N. attempts to subvert American and Catholic morality. According to its website, C-Fam’s “vision” is “the preservation of international law by discrediting socially radical policies at the United Nations and other international institutions.”
In 2010, C-Fam charged that at a UN meeting, the Girl Scouts had distributed to young girls a “sex guide” titled “Happy, Healthy and Hot: A Young Person’s Guide to Their Rights, Sexuality and Living with HIV.” The Girl Scouts, as explained in the excerpt above, said no such thing happened. But that appears to be the genesis of this whole crusade. As one indication of just how ridiculous the whole thing has become, in 2010 C-FAM announced new evidence of the alleged ties, explaining that it “has learned that at least one regional director of the Girl Scouts comes from the ranks of Planned Parenthood personnel. In 2004, the Great Plains Council of Girl Scouts, representing 11,000 girls, hired Beverly Todd Nolte as their CEO. Previously, Nolte had held marketing and lobbying positions with Planned Parenthood of Nebraska and Council Bluffs. ”
What we appear to be seeing, in other words, is a confluence between a rather bizarre conspiracy theory with the growing politicization of at least some segments of the American Catholic Church, with the Girl Scouts as the latest helpless victim of that trend.
– Jay Bookman
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USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
May 11th, 2012
1:13 pm
“Exactly why do you object to the Church’s investigation of distribution of sexual materials to young girls without parental supervision?”
other than the fact that the rumor was started by a right-wing nutcase group and that there’s no evidence that it ever happened?
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
May 11th, 2012
1:14 pm
and, again – this goes BEYOND whether or not materials are distributed
they are also frowning upon the USGS support of OXFAM, Doctors without Borders and The Sierra Club
Joe Hussein Mama
May 11th, 2012
1:14 pm
R. Danneskjold — “Exactly why do you object to the Church’s investigation of distribution of sexual materials to young girls without parental supervision?”
Exactly what makes you think that happened?
Your question sounds like ‘why are you objecting to the cow jumping over the moon?’
They BOTH suck
May 11th, 2012
1:14 pm
“No Adam I’m doing what my dad always told me not to do. I’m arguing with idiots.”
All you need to do is stop looking in the mirror and talking to yourself.
Problem solved
DebbieDoRight - A Gay-Loving, Anti LimpBalls, Feminazi!
May 11th, 2012
1:15 pm
RB: Anybody else see Komen’s participation and receipts are down 40% from last year? Seems you liberals aren’t doing your part to prop them up after you demanded they cave to your wishes. not giving your fair share.
Your dementia is showing again RB – no one DEMANDED they cave to anything. They caved when they saw all those articles, emails, phone calls, and letters coming in saying that all those women who gave their time, effort, and MONEY to the them in the name of the “cause”; had decided to give their money to some one ELSE. That’s when they quickly caved. It seems, (gasp), they were more concerned about the “donated money”; than they were about “Planned Parenthood”. Its good to have priorities.
JamVet: I’m sure that you are noted for your emotive eloquence and sheer salesmanship when you utter the famous line, “Do you want fries with that?”
You are soooo bad!!! But funny as hell!
Harry: . A ton of evidence has been produced linking the Girl Scouts to Planned Parenthood, not the least of which is Girl Scout CEO Kathy Cloninger confirming exactly that in an NBC interview, which is widely available on YouTube.
Harry, after you’ve finished those cookies, please don’t forget to swallow the Kool Aide.
JohnnyReb – You forgot the one about how Obama is giving away some of those Alaskan Islands , (rich in oil and gold), to the Russians.
You guys are soooo easy!
Matti
May 11th, 2012
1:16 pm
Frankly, both of these organizations creep me out — for different reasons, and to widely differing degrees. GSUSA (aka The Cookie Cult) literally inserts trillions of junk food calories into a segment of the population whose self-esteem now throughout their entire lives will be inextricably linked to their body image and weight. (Right or wrong, folks, it is what it is.) This makes no sense to me, and thank you, NO, I would not like to buy 78,000 empty calories to place around my midsection, for which I’ll have to both work out like crazy and deprive myself later to remove.
As for the Catholic Church, uh… whatever floats your spiritual boat is none of my beeswax. Just don’t ask for my approval on the specifics. Thanks!
Jm
May 11th, 2012
1:18 pm
CDS is just a tool
Improperly used they can be a problem
But the problem lies with the operator, not the tool itself
Adam
May 11th, 2012
1:19 pm
RB: Pay the 40% you caused or STFU.
No and no. If you, RB, stop being the idiot in the argument, you will have stopped arguing with an idiot.
They BOTH suck
May 11th, 2012
1:19 pm
DDR
What’s up? Hope all is well
Adam
May 11th, 2012
1:19 pm
Arguments no longer peddled by most of the right:
Class warfare
Wealth envy
Gas prices
I wonder why?
RB from Gwinnett
May 11th, 2012
1:20 pm
BOTH, I answered you question last night and haven’t yet seen the reply you promised. ???
ragnar danneskjold
May 11th, 2012
1:20 pm
Dear USinUK @ 1:13 and Joe @ 1:14, if I read your posts correctly you think the Church ought not do even a cursory examination, to be able to dismiss the allegations? Is that not the mentality that allowed a handful of pedophile priests to besmirch the reputation of the church?
Joe Hussein Mama
May 11th, 2012
1:20 pm
D. DoRight — “They caved when they saw all those articles, emails, phone calls, and letters coming in saying that all those women who gave their time, effort, and MONEY to the them in the name of the “cause”; had decided to give their money to some one ELSE. That’s when they quickly caved. It seems, (gasp), they were more concerned about the “donated money”; than they were about “Planned Parenthood”.
It costs a lot of money to keep Nancy Brinker properly dressed and dripping with jewelry.
Jm
May 11th, 2012
1:20 pm
Liberals will be banning chainsaws cars hammers and bats. If they have their way
After all those things all kill people
Ergo they must be banned
Bernie
May 11th, 2012
1:20 pm
Something tells me that the Bishops are not trusting of the female species, we all know they prefer little Boys by a wide margin.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
May 11th, 2012
1:21 pm
A ton of evidence….
This can be used interchangeably with “Heritage published a paper…”
Adam
May 11th, 2012
1:21 pm
Jm: Liberals will be banning chainsaws cars hammers and bats. If they have their way
Why would we do that? We also need to be prepared in case of zombies.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 11th, 2012
1:23 pm
R. Danneskjold — “you think the Church ought not do even a cursory examination, to be able to dismiss the allegations? Is that not the mentality that allowed a handful of pedophile priests to besmirch the reputation of the church?”
I can’t believe you’re excusing the RCC treating that bulldada seriously when they have repeatedly refused to investigate, come clean and turn over pedopriests to the authorities.
Sorry, but unless and until the RCC makes a clean breast of it with regard to the child molestations, this ridiculous ‘we’re just trying to be thorough in our investigation’ is nothing more than an excuse of convenience. A misguided investigation of the GS isn’t some form of penance for the church’s prior sins.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 11th, 2012
1:24 pm
Jm — “Liberals will be banning chainsaws cars hammers and bats. If they have their way”
“After all those things all kill people”
“Ergo they must be banned”
Once again, I’m one of many lefty posters on here who is also a firearm owner.
ragnar danneskjold
May 11th, 2012
1:24 pm
Dear USinUK and Joe, I failed to cite your own lack of logic – you embrace the view that the “accuser’s credibility” is a significant element of a decision whether to investigate; basis for the charge, without regard to the reputation of the accuser is always more sound. Your view would dismiss a rape charge brought by a prostitute, because she is a woman of easy virtue. Is that not how John Edwards avoided, for so long, responsibility for his misbehavior?
They BOTH suck
May 11th, 2012
1:27 pm
RB
Prove your assertion on its own merits. “it is my opinion” is a cope out. I’m not going to answer any questions until you either prove what YOU posted or say I can’t really do that and retract it.
Do one or the other and I will answer your questions? And not even ask you any questions within my response
You have not produceda DAMN thing to back up your original statement about who is backing voting for illegals.
Exact factual information, please. Not some round about bs, that meets your convoluted conclusion and then you say “I proved it”.
But I wont bet any money that you can back up what you say. That is a given on this topic and others
They BOTH suck
May 11th, 2012
1:29 pm
“cop out”
Jm
May 11th, 2012
1:29 pm
Adam
Zombies are already devouring out country
They work in DC
Please get to work and go eliminate them
Jm
May 11th, 2012
1:30 pm
Some heads are going to roll at JPM
Paul
May 11th, 2012
1:32 pm
getalife
I don’t see how they’re ‘wrong’ in this.
Special interest con political action group seems to be behind it.
getalife
May 11th, 2012
1:33 pm
“Some heads are going to roll at JPM”
I doubt they are the only bank involved in this new scam.
He should resign in disgrace but is not man enough.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 11th, 2012
1:34 pm
R. Danneskjold — “I failed to cite your own lack of logic – you embrace the view that the “accuser’s credibility” is a significant element of a decision whether to investigate; basis for the charge, without regard to the reputation of the accuser is always more sound.”
Funny how *you’re* the one doing exactly that with respect to the RCC and the GS.
“Your view would dismiss a rape charge brought by a prostitute, because she is a woman of easy virtue. Is that not how John Edwards avoided, for so long, responsibility for his misbehavior?”
Your view would EXCUSE John Edwards, regardless of his guilt or innocence. Is THAT not how Edwards avoided being called to account for so long?
Fred ™ (Che Blogvara)
May 11th, 2012
1:35 pm
RB from Gwinnett
May 11th, 2012
12:57 pm
Atlanta mom, for people like you Adam and joe to throw the fit you did over Komen’s decision to sever ties with PP and not step up to close the funding gap you caused is disgusting. Pay up.
Btw the gap in ATL is $600k. Maybe clooney will help you with that. I’m sure he’s good for a $20.
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I don’t follow your logic RB. I supported Susa Komen for the cure for the work they were doing. Then they decided to hire Karen Handel and get all political. I didn’t support them as a political wing of the Republican party so I stopped supporting them at all.
While thye are certainly the largest (and apparently over bloated) organization for breast cancer they certainly aren’t the only. When they showed that they wanted to be a political arm of the Republican party then they lost all credibility. Why George Clooney needs to send them $20 I have no clue. What’s your “logic” there? As to why I need to send them anything? Who the hell are you who to tell me who to donate to. You sound like a socialist.
When it comes to the boobs, I now donate to and support an organization that is ALL about the boobs, not all about the Republican parties war on abortion. The two are separate issues. if YOU are interested in supporting breast cancer as an issue above and beyond your Republican political agenda I would suggest this as an alternative solution. They work for Breast cancer research, not political agenda’s.
http://bikersforboobs.org/
RB from Gwinnett
May 11th, 2012
1:37 pm
BOTH, the ony proof I need is tha t NONE of you liberals will answer that question. You want them voting for D’s and you know it.
getalife
May 11th, 2012
1:38 pm
“Special interest con political action group seems to be behind it.”
Like I said politics.
In 2004, they united with churches to get the same sex marriage on the ballots and won.
They are united again.
Doggone/GA
May 11th, 2012
1:39 pm
“After all those things all kill people”
“Ergo they must be banned”
People kill people. We should be banning people!
The cat
May 11th, 2012
1:39 pm
Emma and Rb-strike 3, you have both been owned today. buh byeeee
They BOTH suck
May 11th, 2012
1:40 pm
RB
hahahahahah
Two days and nothing…………….
hahahahahaha
Keep the jokes coming
They BOTH suck
May 11th, 2012
1:41 pm
Beck told me so
Rush told me so
Boortz told me so
Hanitty told me so
I read it on Drudge
hahahahahaha
ragnar danneskjold
May 11th, 2012
1:43 pm
Dear Joe @ 1:34, “Funny how *you’re* the one doing exactly that with respect to the RCC and the GS. … Your view would EXCUSE John Edwards, regardless of his guilt or innocence. Is THAT not how Edwards avoided being called to account for so long?” Think you misread my original post – I advocate the investigation by the Church.
They BOTH suck
May 11th, 2012
1:44 pm
RB
Sounds like a “flat earther”
I have no proof, but I know it. It is true. I don’t need any proof.
hahahah
philosopher
May 11th, 2012
1:45 pm
I am grateful for this age of communication…I know some would think it better if we couldn’t always see everything that is a happening 24/7 and discuss it in so many different media. But try to imagine (and perhaps remember) how tactics such as these would have/did affect our lives when there was no one able to call them on it right away. Folks have to actively decide to be uninformed now.. Controlling and manipulating the masses (pun intended) is getting to be harder and harder …gotta love it!
The cat
May 11th, 2012
1:46 pm
ragnar-me thinks the rcc should be investigating the raping of altar boys first.
RB from Gwinnett
May 11th, 2012
1:46 pm
2 days and not one of you liberals will answer the question.
My OPINION stands.
Adam
May 11th, 2012
1:47 pm
RB: What question?
getalife
May 11th, 2012
1:48 pm
I think with the austerity failure in Europe and this new banking scam losses , it will be a miracle if we are not dragged down to another recession.
The cat
May 11th, 2012
1:48 pm
RB-you are dense. Your OPINION will always stand it just isn’t factual. See the difference?
barking frog
May 11th, 2012
1:49 pm
The girl scouts need to
investigate the catholic
church.
getalife
May 11th, 2012
1:49 pm
rb,
You got owned.
They BOTH suck
May 11th, 2012
1:51 pm
Adam
Go to the end of last night blog and you will see RBs bs.
He made an assertion yesterday and all the proof he has provide was for JHM and myself to answer some questions he provided.
As of last night his assertion has changed to an opinion. And we know why that is, it is because he ran his mouth and has nothing.
He has his right to his opinion for sure, but if it isn’t backed with anything except rhetoric, hyperbole and asking someone else questions……. how much merit does it really have?
barking frog
May 11th, 2012
1:52 pm
getalife
rasmussen says willard is
winning.
They BOTH suck
May 11th, 2012
1:54 pm
RB
Game, set, match
Straight sets and and no sweat…………..
See you next time
have a great weekend
Paul
May 11th, 2012
1:54 pm
getaife
I’m kinda hoping the Catholic Church will say ‘enough’ and cut that group loose and have them stop using “Catholic’ in their name.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
May 11th, 2012
1:58 pm
Komen Atlanta down 600K
Komen % used for research:For the most recent year that numbers are available (2010), only 19% of total revenue was used to fund research.(Daily Beast, Andrew Sullivan)
So Komen research funds for research really down 114K.
And American Cancer Society donations have spiked….
I read about Komen and kept my checkbook in my purse long before
the fiasco.
I don’t donate to folks who don’t use the funds wisely.
19% – Shameful.
Jefferson
May 11th, 2012
1:58 pm
I bet they like the cub scouts …
(ir)Rational
May 11th, 2012
2:00 pm
So have we gotten out all the bad jokes about priests, Catholics, and children yet?
getalife
May 11th, 2012
2:00 pm
frog,
They had mccain up by 10.
History repeating itself again.
Paul,
I left the Church after the cover up of their priests and their hate of other Americans.
I believe all churches should get out of politics and go back to serving folks in need.
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 11th, 2012
2:02 pm
“I believe all churches should get out of politics and go back to serving folks in need.”
That, Getalife, I why I like you.
barking frog
May 11th, 2012
2:04 pm
(ir)Rational
Plenty of bad jokes are left
but most of the good ones
are probably gone. Whatcha
got?
Joe Hussein Mama
May 11th, 2012
2:05 pm
RB — “BOTH, the ony proof I need is tha t NONE of you liberals will answer that question.”
I told you yesterday that if you wanted an answer, you needed to man up and ask it like an adult.
You did NOT ask the question you claimed yesterday; you may very well have meant to, but your post was poorly composed and you would up asking someone to speak for ALL liberals. That’s why I spent the afternoon messing with your head.
Want an answer? Fine. Grow the eff up, write clearly and ask your question like a man.
Or keep bawling the way you are; makes no nevermind to me.
RB from Gwinnett
May 11th, 2012
2:05 pm
Can’t answer the question can you BOTH? All giggles and deflection, but no answer.
All day you wanted me to prove an opinion as if not being able to prove it makes it invalid.
Prove evolution or accept its wrong. Same concept.
Doggone/GA
May 11th, 2012
2:05 pm
“I believe all churches should get out of politics and go back to serving folks in need.”
But what if serving folks in need means getting involved in politics?
(ir)Rational
May 11th, 2012
2:05 pm
getalife – I honestly didn’t know churches ever truly did that. Not on a large scale anyway. I’ve read back through history, and outside of small town churches and country churches, it seems they’ve pretty much always been corrupt.
getalife
May 11th, 2012
2:06 pm
Thanks Normal.
I give my local priest credit because he still tries to bring me back.
Jefferson
May 11th, 2012
2:07 pm
Many preachers will tell you who to vote for.
barking frog
May 11th, 2012
2:08 pm
getalife
don’t leave your church,
change your church.
They BOTH suck
May 11th, 2012
2:08 pm
JHM
All I have asked him to do was to either back up his assertions or make a retraction. Once that is done, I will answer all his questions and not ask him any questions as my validation as he has done. Who the heck ever heard of that? I can’t back up my assertion, so I prove it by asking you questions in attempts to back into my convoluted thought process
(ir)Rational
May 11th, 2012
2:08 pm
barking – Nothing relevant, I was just trying to see if there were any good ones worth going back to read.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 11th, 2012
2:09 pm
R. Danneskjold — “Think you misread my original post – I advocate the investigation by the Church.”
Nope. I read it just fine. You clearly misread mine. Once again;
“I can’t believe you’re excusing the RCC treating that bulldada seriously when they have repeatedly refused to investigate, come clean and turn over pedopriests to the authorities.”
“Sorry, but unless and until the RCC makes a clean breast of it with regard to the child molestations, this ridiculous ‘we’re just trying to be thorough in our investigation’ is nothing more than an excuse of convenience. A misguided investigation of the GS isn’t some form of penance for the church’s prior sins.”
Paul
May 11th, 2012
2:09 pm
getalife
I agree with that. Difficulty comes when churches see policies that run counter to their beliefs. But so far I think we’ve done a pretty good job in this country in accommodating competing interests.
Peadawg
May 11th, 2012
2:10 pm
“So have we gotten out all the bad jokes about priests, Catholics, and children yet?”
Yeah…you’re way late on that one. Go back to the first page
.
(ir)Rational
May 11th, 2012
2:10 pm
TBS – You’re asking too much from him. Seriously, you can ask all day, all night, and all tomorrow, and he’ll still insist that you’ve either lost, or aren’t arguing fairly.
Joe Hussein Mama
May 11th, 2012
2:10 pm
RB — “2 days and not one of you liberals will answer the question.”
2 days and you still haven’t clearly articulated your question. Shrug.
barking frog
May 11th, 2012
2:10 pm
(ir)Rational
probably not.
getalife
May 11th, 2012
2:10 pm
“But what if serving folks in need means getting involved in politics?”
What good has it done for the people?
It divides and breeds hate.
(ir)Rational
May 11th, 2012
2:10 pm
Pea – Thanks…I’ll be back.
kayaker 71
May 11th, 2012
2:11 pm
So where was all of this liberal indignation when the Boy Scouts didn’t want gay scout masters? Then your wrath was centered around those terribly homophobic Boy Scouts because it wasn’t “fair”. I don’t have many warm fuzzy feeling for the Catholic Church and never have. Each of these private organizations can do what the hell they please. If the Boy Scouts want to admit only males over 6 ft with black bushy mustaches, so be it. If the Girl Scouts want to distribute pamphlets on a subject they feel is important, that is their right. If Augusta National doesn’t want to admit women, they have every right do as they please. It is none of the Catholic Church’s business what the Girl Scouts do as well as it none of anyone’s business what Augusta National or any other private organization does.
Adam
May 11th, 2012
2:11 pm
They BOTH suck: I still am not finding this question….
Doggone/GA
May 11th, 2012
2:12 pm
“What good has it done for the people?
It divides and breeds hate”
What doesn’t?
Fred ™ (Che Blogvara)
May 11th, 2012
2:13 pm
Wow. I guess RB can’t answer MY questions. I wonder why?
Joe Hussein Mama
May 11th, 2012
2:13 pm
RB — “Can’t answer the question can you BOTH? All giggles and deflection, but no answer.”
Gibberish deserves no answer. If you can’t clearly ask a question, I don’t owe you an answer.
I *did,* however, *repeatedly offer* to answer your question if you’d just restate it clearly. Predictably, you have failed to do so.
Shrug.
(ir)Rational
May 11th, 2012
2:14 pm
kayaker – If the Boy Scouts want to admit only males over 6 ft with black bushy mustaches
I don’t think it is a good idea to fill the scouts with 70s/80s porn stars.
The cat
May 11th, 2012
2:14 pm
71-not sure where you were but I will never ever donate to the homophobic boy scouts ever again. Politics in their organization has screwed the pooch as it were.
Fred ™ (Che Blogvara)
May 11th, 2012
2:15 pm
Peadawg
May 11th, 2012
2:10 pm
“So have we gotten out all the bad jokes about priests, Catholics, and children yet?”
Yeah…you’re way late on that one. Go back to the first page
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Bullsht. I didn’t even TRY to get any in. Jay said don’t and he’s had a hard on about me recently so I wasn’t pushing my luck………
but if you WANT I can roll some good catholic priest jokes out…….
Joe Hussein Mama
May 11th, 2012
2:16 pm
K71 — “So where was all of this liberal indignation when the Boy Scouts didn’t want gay scout masters?”
It’s still around. I, for one, won’t support the BSA because they won’t admit atheists.
“Then your wrath was centered around those terribly homophobic Boy Scouts because it wasn’t “fair”. I don’t have many warm fuzzy feeling for the Catholic Church and never have. Each of these private organizations can do what the hell they please.”
If the BSA expects to be permitted to use DoD facilities and equipment, then I expect them to not discriminate in their membership. Otherwise, they can go find other places for their functions.
“If the Boy Scouts want to admit only males over 6 ft with black bushy mustaches, so be it. If the Girl Scouts want to distribute pamphlets on a subject they feel is important, that is their right. If Augusta National doesn’t want to admit women, they have every right do as they please. It is none of the Catholic Church’s business what the Girl Scouts do as well as it none of anyone’s business what Augusta National or any other private organization does.”
You miss the point, but I doubt you’d get it even if it were explained to you.
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 11th, 2012
2:17 pm
Tar Heels…
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/05/11/political-pictures-then-and-now/
getalife
May 11th, 2012
2:18 pm
“What doesn’t?”
Serving folks in need like Jesus wanted us to do.
RB from Gwinnett
May 11th, 2012
2:22 pm
Joe, you aren’t fooling anybody with your whining about the way the question was asked. You aren’t going to answer it no matter how it’s asked because you never want to be accountable for your opinions on anything. Go on kidding yourself if you want but you aren’t fooling anybody else.
Fred ™ (Che Blogvara)
May 11th, 2012
2:22 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
May 11th, 2012
2:16 pm
K71 — “So where was all of this liberal indignation when the Boy Scouts didn’t want gay scout masters?”
It’s still around. I, for one, won’t support the BSA because they won’t admit atheists.
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Holy Bat sht. What are you gonna do next? Tell me you are a freaking VEGAN?
kayaker 71
May 11th, 2012
2:23 pm
Joe, 2:16,
The point is that each of these entities are private. You got that? Private!!! It’s none of your damn business what they do. I am not so sure that they lose any sleep over whether you like them or do not. If the Boy Scouts don’t want gay members, they have every right to exclude them. If Augusta National doesn’t want women in their club, so be it. If the Girl Scouts feel that it is important to distribute literature on a subject they feel meets their beliefs, they have every right to do just that. And whether or not you like it is of little importance to anyone but you. Perhaps it is you who is missing the point.
JOE COOL~DoWnToWn THUG
May 11th, 2012
2:23 pm
Poor RB…lol
jm
May 11th, 2012
2:23 pm
smart man
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-11/facebook-co-founder-saverin-gives-up-u-s-citizenship-before-ipo.html
Fred ™ (Che Blogvara)
May 11th, 2012
2:24 pm
RB from Gwinnett
May 11th, 2012
2:22 pm
Joe, you aren’t fooling anybody with your whining about the way the question was asked. You aren’t going to answer it no matter how it’s asked because you never want to be accountable for your opinions on anything. Go on kidding yourself if you want but you aren’t fooling anybody else.
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You never answered MY question you hypocrite. Most of us never SAW your so called question and so far you have lacked the balls to repeat it. You just want to harangue Joe about it……
So man up. Answer MY question and repost YOUR question. What’s so f’ing hard about that?
Tom Middleton
May 11th, 2012
2:30 pm
Maybe it’s time to put the Nuns in charge. I mean, let’s face it: The all-male Bishops just don’t do well with children (and girls are not boys missing penises)!
Fred ™ (Che Blogvara)
May 11th, 2012
2:30 pm
Who exactly do you think it is that is paying the FDA from ok’ing this HIV pill? I’d bet Gilead Sciences……………
http://www.ajc.com/health/advocates-hiv-prevention-pill-1435691.html
They BOTH suck
May 11th, 2012
2:30 pm
Adam
I’m not going to take the time to find it. RB made an assertion yesterday about “those who back illegals being able to vote”. When asked by JHM early in the day and myself last night, he thought he would outsmart everyone and ask questions in return as if that somehow would back up his still unsubstantiated bs.
I’ve asked him to back it up or make a retraction. From there we can proceed with the overall topic. The best cop out he has now is to say it is an “opinion” and because his questions were not answered that is his “proof”. I still do not know what that thought process entails and unable to follow it.
Oh well, moving on
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 11th, 2012
2:31 pm
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” — William Casey, CIA Director.
godless heathen
May 11th, 2012
2:33 pm
“Just crazy. Was she even alive when the incident happened?”
Betsy Lauber as spokesperson for the family. Maybe she’s just the best talker. If the family of “the victim” says it didn’t happen, I’ll take their word for it.
But Romney will now be forever stained by the reports of this “incident”, and Jay’s choir will be bringing it up at every opportunity for 100 years.
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 11th, 2012
2:33 pm
“The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology seem respectable.” — John Kenneth Galbrain.
The cat
May 11th, 2012
2:33 pm
71-I totally agree if these organizations remain private but when they take tax dollars and assistance from the public they are not allowed to be exclusionary as in cannot discriminate.
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 11th, 2012
2:35 pm
“Freedom is the Distance Between Church and State.”
Adam
May 11th, 2012
2:36 pm
They BOTH suck: Well that DOES sound like him….
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 11th, 2012
2:39 pm
“If religious people could be reasoned with there would be no religious people.”
Normal Free, Plain and Simple
May 11th, 2012
2:40 pm
“A rabbi, a lawyer, and a priest are on the Titanic. They rush to the lifeboat and as they get in, the rabbi says: ‘What about the children?’ The lawyer says: ‘Screw the children!’ The preist says: ‘Do you think we have time?’”
getalife
May 11th, 2012
2:40 pm
Dragging the Scouts into politics is wrong and disgusting.